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Feliĉan Esperantan Tagon
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July 26, 2019 8:01am
- Tall Man
  
  iru fuck vi mem
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  July 26, 2019 8:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    I see there are a few lacking a sense of humour today. Such a shame as Esperanto was such a great idea at the time…..
    
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    July 26, 2019 11:39am
    - Jack5
      
      Killed by English, like Maori, which is being finished off by the media-led rise of NZ Pidgin.
      
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      July 26, 2019 1:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Seemed like a great concept when I started learning it as a kid but by the time I left High School it’s day was almost done.
        
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        July 26, 2019 2:47pm
Than

OK, this has to be a new low even for the modern blatantly climate-activist Stuff.

Hint: when you have to spend the first chunk of the article openly admitting “we essentially pulled this “data” (hah!) out of our arse”, then it’s probably not something a responsible journalist would publish. Let alone have as their leading article.

Seriously, at this point Stuff should just admit they aren’t a media company anymore, they’re an environmental advocacy group.
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July 26, 2019 8:05am
- srylands
  
  I like the response from BP. How does coffee composting reduce emissions? Or recycling water? Of course the journalist would be clueless.
  
  “When asked what BP was doing in New Zealand to reduce emissions, the company pointed to: a coffee grind composting programme; two rapid electric vehicle chargers; solar panels in at 10 per cent of BP Connect locations and LED lighting in all stores; recycling of waste and water used in car washes.”
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:28am
  - Ed Snack
    
    They recycle the water at their car-washes ? No wonder the washes are so shite then.
    
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    July 26, 2019 8:55am
- oldgolfer
  
  Stuff is a joke.
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:39am
- peterwn
  
  Stuff had its founding roots in advocacy. The Press was founded to advocate against Moorhouse’s proposal for a Lyttelton to Christchurch railway. It was soon extended to Dunedin and beyond and and soon after carried the world’s first frozen meet consignment (admittedly the meat was not actually frozen until it was loaded into the ship at Port Chalmers).
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    So that’s why they’re “rooted”.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:13am
- The Feed
  
  The only use I have for Stuff these days is to make a note of their advertisers and withdraw my custom.
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:22am
Andrei

Is Stuffed about reporting the news or is it about advocacy?

FFS what a total waste of bandwidth the site has become
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July 26, 2019 8:07am
- Than
  
  Snap!
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:21am
- Rich Prick
  
  But without Stuff we would have no idea of the contents of The First Baby’s nappy. Which incidentally, best describes the rest of their “reporting”.
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:53am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Andrei
  Ah, the good old days spent winding up deluded Stuff commenters. Now they typically don’t accept comments on all but the most inane and ‘safe’ topics, and they have removed the like/dislike tallies.
  
  After expressing ongoing support for Trump and Brexit etc., cutting insights into why my interlocutors were just wrong (the bombastic Big Loud Sky Fella and the all-too-aware-of her-own-advancing-years ageist Josephine F were personal favourites), and multiple user name changes to keep them guessing ( “Ivanka’s Panties” was apparently the last straw), I found myself deleted and deplatformed. Oh well, nevermind. Kiwibloggers are of a much higher calibre altogether.
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    YSB is also a little more balanced than stuff.
    
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    July 26, 2019 11:38am
BullyHayes

all quiet on the eastern front this morning?
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July 26, 2019 8:08am
Happychappy

Simon Bridges raises a issue that should have hard working NZ’s worried but those that should be concerned seem to have given Labour the the tick of approval.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/tarana/114469053/no-penalties-no-consequences-why-more-people-are-on-unemployment-benefit-according-to-simon-bridges
This policy will see more on social welfare benefits just like it did in 1970’s/80’s as it is easy to rort the system.
This will set up the system to Generational Welfare with Fathers ,Mothers, Children and Grand children relying on the state to financing them.
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July 26, 2019 8:09am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The irony with this is that it was a prior Labour government that introduced sanctions for those on benefits in the first place! Now however, Labour has bent over for the Greens, who believe that making people accountable is unfair.
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:23am
  - Sofia
    
    “… bent over for the Greens …”
    
    And, in fact, it was Metiria Turei who wrote the Greens Welfare policy for the last Election and that basically is what has gone through, and her standards with it – increase in payments: part done and more to come, and remove sanctions: no penalties for no longer naming the father to reduce dependancy on taxpayers by having the fathers contribute something.
    QED
    
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    July 26, 2019 8:33am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I wonder what happened with MSD’s investigation into her self-confessed benefit fraud. Perhaps she became eligible for some sort of amnesty…
      
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      July 26, 2019 8:47am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Two tier justice system. MeTu was too well connected to be required to face consequences.
        
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        July 26, 2019 10:24am
    - Lizziep
      
      No longer naming the father is a disaster for the child. It is bad for genetics, and for peace of mind knowing who and where you come from should be a basic right. There has been a programme on TV where a man finds long lost parents and if you take what the children say it’s of the utmost importance to them. Many have spent their lives trying to find the lost parent. Yet again another dangerous policy of the col for the mental health of many New Zealanders. These policies is going to take many generations to fix if ever.
      
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      July 26, 2019 9:07am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Upticked for the eugenics.
        
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        July 26, 2019 9:37am
      - AgainstTheFlow
        
        the child does know who the father(s) is(are) because they get told.
        But it is withheld from the government to save that man having to pay child support.
        
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        July 26, 2019 10:16am
  - plc
    
    They are not benefits…they are “entitlements”
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:38am
  - oldpark
    
    @Tony Stuart.
    Latest DP scam is a winner. Not having to give the name of the new baby’s father in due course.
    Couples are buying into real estate. With the mother becoming the tenant of the father who owns the mortgage on the new property. One case is the new buys have acquired three properties up to now.
    Mother getting huge DP payments as well as accomodation benefits. Father works full time. What a sneaky dirty little tax payer funded scam.
    
    Of course nothing to see here under the present Peters selected regime . MOVE ON.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:48am
hullkiwi

Once again in the media we are able to hear questions being raised as to whether the NZF Slush Fund is indeed getting the “nephs of the couch” (RNZ Morning Report 26/07/19 7.25am.

The answer is they don’t know. They are not keeping accurate statistics as to what jobs are being created (short or long term) and who is getting the jobs (locals or migrants).

What a sham! Never has there been such an arrogant misappropriation of public money and no one held accountable.
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July 26, 2019 8:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Green Party says it would undertake a review of the entire Treaty Settlement Process

The Green Party campaigned in 2017 on reviewing the entire settlement process, and there are MPs within the Labour Māori caucus who also acknowledge its flaws.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/395242/ihumatao-disregard-for-mana-whenua-will-lead-to-trouble-willie-jackson
Will there ever be a full and final settlement of Iwi claims?
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July 26, 2019 8:19am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Not as long as there is a sufficiently large constituency to provide necessary political support for more payments, or there is not a sufficiently large constituency opposed. It is entirely up to voters.
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:38am
  - GJM
    
    He who robs Peter to pay Paul, can always be assured of Paul’s votes. We are very close to having more Pauls in NZ than Peters, with the various beneficiaries, public servants etc, Working for (other peoples) Families, etc
    
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    July 26, 2019 4:17pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Could someone then please rob Winston Peters of his seat in Parliament? Thanks, Paul.
      
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      July 27, 2019 3:42am
- Tall Man
  
  Short answer… No.
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:39am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Will there ever be a full and final settlement of Iwi claims?”
  
  Only when there are no more incentives. If you can get something for free, why not demand it?
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:41am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The Greens are experts at spending Other People’s Money. Unfortunately for them (and fortunately for us), as long as they remain outside Cabinet, their ability to rort us is somewhat limited.
  
  It makes it all the more important that we avoid any possibility of a Labour/Green government next year, even if that involves holding one’s nose when voting.
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:50am
  - brett68
    
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    even if that involves holding one’s nose when voting
    
    Vote NZ First?
    You’re right, a Labour/Greens coalition would be a disaster, voting Peters to keep them in check is probably a good idea.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:09am
    - Tall Man
      
      Suck it up brett, vote National and keep ardern out.
      
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      July 26, 2019 9:38am
    - mic
      
      I take it this is a tongue in cheek reply-please!!
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:29am
      - Tall Man
        
        The tongue is certainly somewhere…..
        
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        July 26, 2019 11:04am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  Will there ever be a full and final settlement of Iwi claims?
  
  Unlikely, as it’s contingent on another question: will Māori ever get their confiscated or otherwise expropriated land back, or receive compensation up to the value of that land? Given that the answer to that question is a flat “No,” the answer to Maggie’s question is also a flat “No.”
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    Awww, what a little snowflake you are.
    
    I presume you’re leading the charge to give your land back…. Silly me, you don’t own anything do you as you’re really “woke”….
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:37am
  - Komata
    
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    How then do you explain the numerous ‘Full and FINAL’ settlements that have been made over the years?
    
    (Asking for a friend).
    
    Thanks.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:48am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      My comment explained that. As long as the first question’s answer is “No,” the second question’s answer is “No.” The fact that some pompous blowhard made a speech about “full and final” settlement at some point doesn’t alter reality.
      
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      July 26, 2019 11:33am
      - Tall Man
        
        “reality”?
        
        Someone with their hand out is no judge of reality, much like yourself I suppose.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:19pm
      - Jack5
        
        In some cases tribes have now been paid for land up to three times, Psycho.
        
        If all land were returned to Maori, you would be an international refugee if you are non-Maori, or, if you are a Maori, you would be a destitute person in an under-developed, Third World archipelago – soon to be taken over by China.
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:03pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        In some cases tribes have now been paid for land up to three times…
        
        And in those cases, the answer to the first question is still “No,” so the answer to the second question is still “No.”
        
        If all land were returned to Maori, you would be an international refugee…
        
        I’m not arguing that Māori should get all the land back (can’t see how that would be even feasible), I’m just answering Maggie’s question.
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:30pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Holding on too tightly to dreams to “right the wrongs” that happened generations ago means that you will fail to grasp new opportunities.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:49am
  - The King
    
    [laughs in colonial oppression]
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:14am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    So as a Maori, you should be paid for what some of your great great grand parents did to some other of your great great grand parents 150 years back? Yeah that seems fair and sensible. FFS
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:27am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Unlikely, given that those involved weren’t parties to a treaty and there’s no legal obligation on their descendents, the way there is on the Crown.
      
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      July 26, 2019 11:38am
      - Jack5
        
        Psycho: So if your grandfather sold the family farm, you have the right to take it back?
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:10pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Not even slightly. But if the government illegally confiscated my grandfather’s farm, or came up with a scam that left the farm in the government’s hands and him holding $10, I’d have some complaints about that. And if the government later went through a process that offered “full and final settlement” of $100, I’d still be grumpy.
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:35pm
  - Kabull
    
    And what recompense is being sought by or granted to those tribes (some of whom are now extinct) who had land ‘stolen’ or ‘confiscated’ by other tribes in pre-European times?
    
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    July 26, 2019 11:47am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      People talk about pre-European Maori “land” when what they really mean is “territory.”
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:29pm
      - Jack5
        
        It’s a good point Odakyu-sen.
        
        Before the arrival of the modern world, Maori had no concept of a nation, but more important, no concept of private ownership. They had no written language, no concept of modern, transferable land title, nor of a land registry.
        
        The whingers who would blame all on the arrival of Modernity ignore the lack of a land ownership system, but, in all Third World development, land registration and transferable ownership has been a key to economic growth. The exception I can think of is a Communist State like China, but then Maori wouldn’t have been able to read Marx even if he had written earlier.
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:16pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      And what recompense is being sought by or granted to those tribes (some of whom are now extinct) who had land ‘stolen’ or ‘confiscated’ by other tribes in pre-European times?
      
      That’s up to the iwi in question. The NZ government’s obligation relates to disputes involving the government.
      
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      July 26, 2019 1:37pm
Im Right

Interesting to see CNN and Fox reporting on the Muller testimony yesterday. Seems the Democrats (CNN) thought it strengthened impeachment and Fox say it diminished impeachment.
Personally I believe the Democrats shot themselves in the foot with is one, as they were expecting a gotchya moment that never materialised and a waste of time.
But no matter, they will keep it going as they have nothing else as economy is booming and unemployment is low, they have put all their eggs into the one basket and they are starting to turn bad.
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July 26, 2019 8:22am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) on Thursday sharply downplayed the prospects of removing President Trump from office through impeachment, saying the only way he’s leaving office, at this point, is “by being voted out.”
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/schiff-downplays-impeachment-says-that-at-this-point-trump-is-only-leaving-by-being-voted-out/2019/07/25/4ce96424-aede-11e9-bc5c-e73b603e7f38_story.html?utm_term=.1da1e07c22a0
  
  Btw Shifty, we’re still waiting for the evidence of collusion you’ve been shouting about for the last two years.
  Unless you mean you trying to collude with Russians to get dirt on Trump
  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/06/russian_comedians_prank_call_rep_adam_schiff_promise_him_naked_photos_of_trump_from_fsb.html
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:33am
  - Batman
    
    You mean like how the Trump campaign handed polling data to the Russians in order to assist them with their foreign interference campaign, and the Russians then attempted to attack voting systems in all 50 states, as the Senate report has just confirmed.
    
    Russian Hack of Elections System Was Far-Reaching, Report Finds https://nyti.ms/2y91NdI
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:18am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Jeez, are you deliberately misinformed or just get that way naturally. The polling data (more or less publicly available) was handed via a State Department long term confidential source to Ukrainians, not to Russians.
      
      As far as we can tell, done as a private deal by Manafort to help settle some obligations he is said to have had to those oligarchic Ukrainians.
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:21pm
    - Garbageman
      
      Your link says nothing about the Trump Campaign handing anything to anyone it also states that the “extensive activity” began in at least 2014 did you provide the wrong link ?
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:31pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘The Russians’
      Lol. You mean one guy… Kilminik, who Manafort had worked with before in Ukraine (for the Podestas btw) . Manafort stated they met in Madrid and were discussing a peace plan for Ukraine. Most of the Polling data was publicly available. Also the Polling companies were sacked by Trump as he didn’t like their work!
      This comment ‘in order to assist them with their foreign interference campaign’ is just an out and out lie. That’s your speculation and never been proven.’
      
      As for this;Russians then attempted to attack voting systems in all 50 states, as the Senate report has just confirmed’
      
      So what. Russia interfering is nothing new.
      But it had nothing to do with Trump. Are you so dumb you can’t understand Mueller finding No Collusion?
      
      Narrator: “yes, he’s dumb alright. And a liar”
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:43pm
      - Vory v zakone
        
        Yes AOR and there is more to come as Bill Barr and John Durham’s investigation is looking into Maltese academic Joseph Misfud.
        https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/454409-robert-mueller-soon-may-be-exposed-as-the-magician-of-omission-on-russia
        
        During Wednesday’s hearing Rep. Devan Nunes asked Mueller why he never filed charges against Mifsud, a mysterious figure integral to the initiation of the Trump-Russia investigation in 2016. Rep. Jim Jordan asked why three times Mifsud misled the FBI in an interview in February 2017 (before Mueller was appointed special counsel), and asked him point blank why he did not charge Mifsud with a crime.
        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/robert-mueller-refuses-to-say-why-clinton-dirt-tipster-joseph-mifsud-wasnt-charged-for-lying
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:21pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh, btw, yesterday you said Impeachment wasn’t over,” it’s getting closer I tell you, it’s getting closer “yet there’s Schiff saying it is.
      Wrong again huh.
      Lol.
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:45pm
- Kabull
  
  Sorry, but I put CNN and MSNBC into the same category of ‘news’ agency as Stuff, the Herald, TVNZ and TV3. Fox’s Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham are my go-choice of viewing in the early evening.
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Try Liz Wheeler, OAN
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:36am
    - Batman
      
      This explains a hell of a lot if Hannity, Ingraham and OAN get upticks.
      
      They’re basically living in and reporting from a literal fantasy land.
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:20am
      - Tall Man
        
        Whereas those with TDS and “jacindamania” are actually living in a fantasy land.
        
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        July 26, 2019 10:28am
      - Batman
        
        Jacindamania is definitely an issue.
        
        I wouldn’t call preferring right wing presidents who don’t behave like wannabe dictators, to be a problem.
        
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        July 26, 2019 10:52am
      - Tall Man
        
        You lost me a bit there Batman, a little too cryptic for me on a Friday 😉
        
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        July 26, 2019 11:36am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I find Liz Wheeler’s ‘Tipping Point’ good. She gives reports of things that the left MSM does not give.
        
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        July 26, 2019 11:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Got it wrong. Liz Wheeler does ‘the final point’ not tipping point
      
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      July 26, 2019 3:52pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Kabull, why not include Fox, Gateway Pundit and Breitbart etc??
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:50am
- mikenmildagain
  
  No one watching, or deading the reporting of, that testimony, will have been persuaded either way.
  Hyper-partisanship being what it is, it is virtually impossible to change the minds of those who hold either of these conflicting opinions:
  1. that Mueller’s report exonerated the president
  2. that Mueller’s report provide grounds to impeach the president, or prosecute him once he leaves office.
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:23am
  - OTGO
    
    Except it wasn’t really Meuller’s report was it? It was apparent to me and many others that the angry democrats that he chose on his his team wrote it because from the way he answered questions from Republicans it was clear he hadn’t actually read it himself!
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:44am
    - Batman
      
      Absolute rubbish. If you’d stop parroting Trump’s talking points for a moment you might note that there were just as many Republicans as Democrats in the office, including Mueller.
      
      If it was a bunch of apparently angry Dems who wrote it, why does is also apparently show no crimes and is a damp squib?
      
      It’s a witch hunt conducted by angry Dems and conflicted Robert Mueller. The witch Hunt report cleared Trump and found no crimes. But also, Mueller didn’t write it and it was all a hoax.
      
      Honestly, there are so contradictions in team Trump’s arguments that it’s hard to know where to start… Which is probably the point! Distract, confuse, deny.
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:02am
      - Tall Man
        
        TDS is a real thing you know Batman 😉
        
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        July 26, 2019 11:34am
      - Batman
        
        So is trying to maintain some level of factual accuracy in the face of bald faced denials and alternative facts ?
        
        Some people do get genuinely overwrought about Trump but to be clear, I may be colourful in my language but I am perfectly realistic about the situation.
        
        The fact remains that Trump has attempted to commit illegal acts, and various members of his team have actually committed them… And some gone to prison.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Trump has attempted to commit illegal acts, ‘
        
        Another comment which is untrue and without evidence.
        You forget that the both Barr Attorney General and Rosenstein the Deputy Attorney General have said there was no obstruction. Mueller has confirmed no collusion.
        And don’t even bother about the Trump Tower meeting.
        If you’re still clinging to Manafort for crimes he committed whilst working for Clinton associates and who Trump sacked after three months as being bad for Trump then you’re the one who is desperate!
        #TDS
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:21pm
      - Tall Man
        
        The fact also remains that ardern appears to have a very close connection to criminals in New Zealand yet that little connection is swept over by the media.
        
        I also find Trump’s bluster refreshing. “Polly speech” is, in my opinion, as close to lying as you can get and not just ardern either.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘just as many Republicans as Democrats in the office, including Mueller.’
        
        Again not true. Dems outnumbered GOP. And then there are those like Strozk who had to be removed, and the one who was Hilary Clinton’s lawyer and then also…
        Oh I give up, you’re a waste of space and I can’t be bothered with your bullshit.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘So is trying to maintain some level of factual accuracy ‘
        
        Hahahahahahaha. You never post facts or any Citations! Just moronic statements which keep getting shown as wrong.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:26pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Perhaps because knowing that they would have to give evidence for any claims, they couldn’t find any evidence ? The second part on obstruction is long on innuendo but very short on facts.
        
        Mueller certainly gave a strong impression that he was unfamiliar with the report as written. He denied any knowledge for example of Fusion GPS despite them being mentioned in the report and in a footnote.
        
        I’d also point out that Mueller did say directly that his investigation was not impeded in any way – which should (but won’t) put the lid on any obstruction. He also corrected an earlier answer to say that he did NOT rely on the DOJ advice that a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted to not specifically indict. Nor did the report recommend indicting any of the campaign on collusion or obstruction, and they would not be covered by any exclusion.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:29pm
- Fletch
  
  Talk show host Mark Levin reckons that, looking at Mueller, there was no way he authored the report. He doesn’t even know much of what is in it under questioning. Didn’t know what the dossier was, etc, which was the pretext under which the FBI obtained FISA warrants for spying on Trump, etc. Levin thinks it’s all a Weissman job – that Muller is just a figurehead at the top.
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:58am
  - Batman
    
    Mueller clearly stated that the dossier etc is a separate investigation that is outside the bounds of what he could talk about, as mandated by the Trump/Barr DoJ.
    
    Did you watch any of it or just read the conspiracy theories?
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:05am
    - Fletch
      
      outside the bounds of what he could talk about
      
      To be fair, this was his pat response to anything he didn’t know and couldn’t answer. Jim Jordan asked him a rhetorical question and Mueller started in on the same response, before Jordan cut him off and said, no need to answer because it’s in the report; in fact, on page 1.
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:11am
      - Batman
        
        He said as much in his resignation press conference, so I don’t see why it is now being used as a ploy to undermine the report and investigation. Well, desperation is the obvious reason.
        
        You’re confusing ‘didnt know’ and ‘couldn’t answer’ with won’t answer because it wasn’t within scope.
        
        I mean he was basically doing you guys a favour by keeping it very dry and not offering anything particularly interesting, but you’ve managed to try and undermine that too lol.
        
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        July 26, 2019 10:26am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘because it wasn’t within scope.’
        Here’s a copy of Rosenstiens letter appointing Mueller.note (b) 2 ; any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.
        https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html
        I think it’s clear Batty didn’t watch the testimony or has read the report.
        In Vol 11 on page 103 the Report refers to the Steele Dossier and Fusion GPS.
        So it was in the report.and within scope.
        No one is trying to undermine the report but just observe that Mueller really didn’t seem to be on top of all that was in it.
        As obviously neither are you.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:15pm
  - The King
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:18am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s always nice when an outspoken Jew-hater gets upticks on Kiwiblog.
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:35am
      - Batman
        
        Consulting with mods and DPF on it.
        
        I approved without making the connection.
        
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        July 26, 2019 10:50am
      - The King
        
        You don’t catch flak if you’re not over the target. Facts don’t care about feelings.
        
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        July 26, 2019 11:16am
      - Tall Man
        
        So do we remove comments because we don’t like the person or their politics? Gosh mikey, you must be a lefty, who’d have thought……….
        
        I have no idea what his/her comment was as it was moderated out of existence but even Hitler must have had a few worthwhile things to say occasionally…
        
        Based on my personal experience, I would say that the “moderation” is a little over sensitive at times but that may not be the case here, I don’t know.
        
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        July 26, 2019 11:33am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Keas will be keas.
        
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        July 26, 2019 11:40am
      - Swifty
        
        ‘You don’t catch flak if you’re not over the target….’
        
        Penny lives!
        
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        July 26, 2019 11:44am
      - Batman
        
        anti-Semitism is not tolerated. Everyone here should know that by now.
        
        DPF and other mods agreed with deleting it.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:12pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Nice to see 14 downtick for my comments. Should I regard that as an indicator of my personal popularity, or support of ‘free speech’ for anti-semites?
        
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        July 26, 2019 2:01pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Both I think mikey.
        
        You come across as a hater of sorts from time to time yet I haven’t seen people calling for you to be deleted. When that happens you just ticked into oblivion which I where ridiculous comments belong.
        
        Not having see “kings” comment I can’t comment too much but I can assure you that whatever he said would have zero impact on what I think and believe. I imagine you are much the same in that regard.
        
        Personally I would have let the comment go as I believe an arsehole should be allowed to prove to the world that he/she is an arsehole and censoring them allows a faint glimmer of the thought that the comment may not have been that bad.
        
        When my comments have been totally blocked by moderation you can rest assured I wasn’t casting aspersions on anyone due to their race or beliefs but I do reserve the right to call an idiot an idiot, a liar a liar and and arsehole an arsehole. Whether the mods agree or not they should let my comments be judged and if inappropriate they will disappear soon enough.
        
        So far I can say the I have not had a comment down ticked into oblivion……. Can you?
        
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        July 26, 2019 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

I got to meet Mona Dotcom some years back (shes just had another beatiful baby by the
way 🙂 ) so i still keep an eye on whats happening with her ex hubby.
While the rest of the world awaits the verdict of KDC’s latest Supreme Court appeal against his extradition, the ‘big man’ himself has been prepared to predict the outcome, saying: “Unfortunately the ruling will be 3 – 2 against us”

So does this mean that Justice minister Andrew Little will have the final say as to whether he stays or goes? Asking for a frind.
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July 26, 2019 8:25am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yes. Little, as Justice Minister, can either choose to rubber-stamp extradition if the Supreme Court upholds previous decisions, or he can call it all “silly”, and let Dotcom remain.
  
  Given this is Andrew Little we’re talking about, that decision could go either way.
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    He has gone very quiet about Pike River hasn’t he?
    
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    July 26, 2019 8:58am
    - Sofia
      
      Tall Man, a little more information on Pike River could be interesting and perhaps add some perspective.
      
      After the gas explosion that demolished the house in Christchurch, one wonders has any expert explained what impact on the human body an explosion in the mine would have, when it exhausted as it did, for a duration that can be measured in the video, from the exit 2.3 km away.
      
      And what volume of water now flows down the drift, has that changed over eight and a half years, and has any sample from the water ever been examined for DNA trace, as per the New Zealand science team sampling Loch Ness?
      
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      July 26, 2019 9:44am
      - Tall Man
        
        I also assume that any explosion and subsequent fire in that mine would have eventually extinguished itself when the oxygen was depleted.
        
        “The cremation occurs in a cremator that is housed within a crematorium and comprises one or more furnaces. A cremator is an industrial furnace that is able to generate temperatures of 870–980 °C (1,600–1,800 °F) to ensure disintegration of the corpse.”
        
        Seriously, what will be still there?
        
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        July 26, 2019 10:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thank you for that Tony. From a personal perspective id rather see KDC remain here than someone like a czech drug dealer. Just saying.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:11am
    - Tall Man
      
      Perhaps we can do a deal with the Yanks…… They can have ardern and we’ll hang on to “pizza boy”.
      
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      July 26, 2019 9:35am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      KDC is very able–don’t the Yanks get him. His foray into our politics is no worse the the inept COL farce we now have.
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:23am
      - Tall Man
        
        Hard to argue about that.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:25pm
Paulus

Ihumatao situation.
Do we hear from the Great Mayor of Auckland that he and the Councillors who voted for the project are now going to sort it out.
They appear have to have realised that they didn’t agree that they approved it at the time, but now they were wrong.
Could this be related in any way to the upcoming Local Body Elections -surely not ?
It has been stated that Fletchers would sell it to whomsoever but about $80,000,000 to $100,000,000 as a blank canvas – they have already spent some $20,000,000 on it I read.
This was discussed a couple of years ago as well.
Would do Fletcher Balance sheet good to to sell it.
Our Coalition are running for cover of course as instructed.
We will see if Goff can delay anything, except for a Committee, until after the local elections.
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July 26, 2019 8:26am
- rererangihirihiri
  
  RNZ describe them as ‘peaceful protesters’. If they are so peaceful why so many arrests!
  
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  July 26, 2019 10:18am
Tarquin North

I hope it rains really hard in Mangere today. Most of those bludgers protesting there look like they could use a good wash.
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July 26, 2019 8:33am
- MCos
  
  The old “protesters could do with a good wash” argument.
  Last resort for those who haven’t a clue what’s going on.
  
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  July 26, 2019 10:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    And a bunch of dirty buggers are going to make us want more detail…… How?
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:33am
  - Tarquin North
    
    How is the weather down there? Would you like me to send some soap?
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:46am
    - Tall Man
      
      Send down a few hundred Ngaphi…. That didn’t end well for the locals last time they “visited”…….
      
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      July 26, 2019 11:28am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Epstein still alive. They nearly got him. You know who.
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July 26, 2019 8:42am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Rumours have it he got Arkansased 😀
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Needs to be kept alive so he can sing
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:41am
    - Batman
      
      Steve this is a genuine question, are you a Q supporter / believer?
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:13pm
      - Tall Man
        
        For those that aren’t up to speed on “labels”…
        
        https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/what-qanon-guide-conspiracy-theory-taking-hold-among-trump-supporters-n897271
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:27pm
      - Garbageman
        
        So now you are going to start labelling as below those that disagree with you a QAnon believer (no-one but the truly TD even know what that is) i am curious how Stephie got DPF to give him a mods job
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Not that far right
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:32pm
- Wangas Feral
  
  He wont live to see a trial. I would bet money on it.
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  They said he was found in his cell laying in a ‘fetal position’.
  Sounds appropriate 🙂
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:49am
- Psycho Milt
  
  You know who.
  
  Hmm, it’s presumably not The Illuminati, seeing as Epstein is Jewish. The lizard people then, I guess?
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    Never heard the Clintons called that but hey, perhaps there’s hope for you yet.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:34am
  - Inandout
    
    No PM, old Bill was a passenger on many planes to the ‘island’; could be him, or more accurately Hillary. Even in her dotage she still protects her part time husband.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It ‘could’ be any of Epstein’s former pals. Maybe one so powerful now that he commands the whole resources of the deep state?
      Or, he could have attempted suicide or been assaulted by an inmate who doesn’t like pedophiles.
      My money’s on the Freemasons being behind it all.
      
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      July 26, 2019 9:41am
      - Inandout
        
        m&m, I don’t think the kings of the deep state, Schister or Schumer, have it in them.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:04pm
      - Batman
        
        Mike I seriously think that we have a few QAnon believers among us.
        
        Which is a slightly disturbing concept tbh.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:15pm
      - SGA
        
        Which is a slightly disturbing concept tbh
        
        Kiwiblog has always had a few people with unorthodox views. I remember one sincere advocate of the “Lizard people” theory and the associated consumption of children in Canada by members of the UK royal family (if I remember correctly). More mainstream versions of the “Jewish conspiracy” and/or the Illuminati always seem to have their followers.
        
        There are more who just love conspiracies. From the more high profile, such as “Sandy Hook” and “Birthers”, to the more mundane – you might remember the experts on Kiwiblog who were sure that the “gas explosion” in Chch was a cover up for at meth lab gone wrong.
        
        Just comes with the territory on such blogs.
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:53pm
      - Batman
        
        Oh yeah, conspiracies at a high level are fine. I have looked into QAnon a bit and they’re not just harmless like most but are actually rather disturbed.
        
        They said the chch shooting was a false flag, for instance. And that there are 100,000 seal indictments over the deep state child abuse conspiracy, all because they can’t use the US court database search properly!
        
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        July 26, 2019 2:26pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        SGA
        That was dear old Ugly Truth, who was convinced that Queen Elizabeth personally ate several indigeneous children on a visit to Canada in the 1960s.
        Funnily enough, Ugly Truth was more capable of changing his mind than some of the present commenters.
        
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        July 26, 2019 4:44pm
      - SGA
        
        @mm
        Yes, that’s the one. I think he thought the earth was hollow at some stage too.
        
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        July 26, 2019 5:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s the one with over 40 bodyguards now dead.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:40am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      JFK? I understand all his bodyguards have mysteriously died over the past 55 years.
      
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      July 26, 2019 9:42am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Very cute Mike
        
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        July 26, 2019 11:55am
  - The King
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:33am
    - The King
      
      “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize. “
      
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      July 26, 2019 11:22am
      - Inandout
        
        TK, that description fits my wife.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:05pm
      - Batman
        
        Or just don’t be an anti-Semitic crank.
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:16pm
      - Tall Man
        
        No offense “Inandout” but your wife doesn’t rule over me…….. 😉
        
        “King”, let it go man, just stick with insulting ardern and you’ll be fine…..
        
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        July 26, 2019 3:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Remember Anthony Bourdain? He apparently had a list of pedos he was going to name. Suicide in Paris – they got him.
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:43am
- secondcumming
  
  Interesting to, that earlier this week the *FBI* were rocked by the apparent suicide of one of their top agents, Salvatore ‘Sal’ Cincinelli, who had been investigating the *Clinton Foundation*….he was 41.
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:59am
  - Batman
    
    Citation needed for this pizza gate level conspiracy theory.
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:03am
    - Tall Man
      
      https://thecount.com/2019/07/23/sal-cincinelli-suicide-austin-cause-of-death-container-bar-austin-tx/
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:36am
      - Batman
        
        So, anonymous author citing another story with no proper sources or verification.
        
        It reads exactly like classic fake news. I wouldn’t put any stock in it at all.
        
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        July 26, 2019 10:45am
      - Tall Man
        
        Sometimes a story is nothing more than what it is.
        
        Seems he shot himself in front of quite a few people.
        
        https://nypost.com/2019/07/24/fbi-agent-brother-to-cop-accused-of-murder-for-hire-plot-dead-by-suicide-sources/
        
        So what don’t you believe, he’s dead, he was a Clinton investigator or that he was in the FBI.
        
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        July 26, 2019 11:19am
    - secondcumming
      
      Oh ye of little faith…. 😎
      
      https://truepundit.com/fbi-rocked-by-public-suicide-of-top-fbi-agent-who-investigated-clinton-foundation/
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:42am
  - BrownSnake
    
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    Must be time for the NZ and Aus Banana Sheep Skippy republics to have over a couple a hundred
    Mil
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:30am
- stephieboy
  
  “They nearly got him. You know who”
  
  Tell us then?
  
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  July 26, 2019 10:54am
Wired-one

New Zealand contributes 0.17% of global emissions, just think about that for a minute. We would make stuff all difference if we all suddenly just dropped off the earth. I’m all for renewable energy, electric vehicles, energy efficiency and reducing our carbon footprint over time. But should we really be trying to destroy industry and peoples livelihood by taxing them to oblivion, when frankly it’s not going to make a difference?. 600 coal fired power plants are currently planned or are under construction at the moment, and here we are virtue signalling for the optics of it all.
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July 26, 2019 8:48am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Every single group of 4.8 million people in the world (cities, provinces, states) could say the same thing, and voila! suddenly, nobody anywhere in the world has to do anything about AGW.
  
  Except, oh wait – NZ’s emissions output is among the highest per head of population, so most other groups of 4.8 million people in the world could then point at NZ and say “Look! It’s all those arseholes’ fault!”
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:28am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It should be a no-brainer that the highest emitters, per capita, need to make the greatest effort, and are also best placed to afford the associated costs. However, people with no brains are often stumped by no-brainers.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:45am
    - srylands
      
      No you are totally wrong. And I say this as someone who worked on climate change policy for several years, including representing New Zealand at international negotiations on the implementation of Kyoto. Per capita emissions are irrelevant. Emissions should be reduced in order of marginal cost, from least cost to high cost. New Zealand emissions reductions are relatively expensive compared to most other countries.
      
      You should avoid accusing commentators of having no brains when on this issue you demonstrate your ignorance.
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:26pm
      - Tall Man
        
        psycho and mikey ignorant? Now you’re just being a meany and they’ll have to go to a “safe space”.
        
        You’ll be getting a “hurty face” photo soon.
        
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        July 26, 2019 3:05pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        There’s a difference between being responsible for getting something done and actually doing it yourself. While you are quite right that the easiest and cheapest emissions reduction should be done first, that still leaves the question of who should pay for it to be done. New Zealand can and should pull its weight in that way.
        
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        July 26, 2019 3:30pm
  - The Feed
    
    The whole thing is political, coming from the bastion of credibility, the left.
    
    “Listen to the scientists!”
    
    Okay, then:
    
    http://www.opinione.it/cultura/2019/06/19/redazione_riscaldamento-globale-antropico-clima-inquinamento-uberto-crescenti-antonino-zichichi/?altTemplate=Stampa&fbclid=IwAR1YAoqulAKKXJTY-uzRfSEaX-G6NRpVOckp3nVE7iiTAgOQu8DMHGUxRnE
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:49am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Fonterra exports 95% of its local production to more than 140 countries.
    
    1 billion people / day consume a Fonterra product.
    
    That’s what NZ’s CO2 emission output needs to be measured against….
    
    1 billion people/day benefir from NZ’s Protein and dairying efficiency.
    
    Bugger up NZ’s dairy production and either countries with inefficient dairying take up the slack (higher fertiliser use and CO2 emissions) or poor people throughout the developing world pay a damn sight more for their protein.
    
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    July 26, 2019 11:22am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Thank you for helping point out why it’s stupid to act as though NZ were somehow exempt from the need to deal with this problem.
      
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      July 26, 2019 11:41am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Always happy to reveal inconvenient facts.
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:38pm
    - JerJer
      
      I’m calling bullshit on that.
      
      Fonterra is a poorly managed, inefficient, destroyer of shareholder wealth.
      
      They manufacture poor quality, low priced products and are a price taker rather than maker.
      
      They are only large and efficient in their own minds, because of the lies that put through the media.
      
      <2% of the size of Nestle.
      
      Serving 1 billion people per day is complete crap.
      
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      July 26, 2019 8:14pm
  - srylands
    
    OK I will play. Give us your strategy, at least in very general terms, for reducing New Zealand emissions by 50 percent by 2030, along with your estimation of the impact on our living standards, especially for lower income families.
    
    I’m not asking for detail. Simply a credible outline of your plan. I can hardly wait.
    
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    July 26, 2019 12:29pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      You seem to be mistaking me for someone standing for election to political office. I don’t need to create a plan for NZ’s future to be able to spot flawed reasoning in a blog comments thread.
      
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      July 26, 2019 1:40pm
      - srylands
        
        You are someone advocating climate change mitigation without being able to demonstrate that you have even a rudimentary understanding of what you are talking about. You could develop such rudimentary understanding with an Internet connection and 40 hours of research.
        
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        July 26, 2019 2:29pm
      - Tall Man
        
        No psycho, I think he’s got you pegged pretty accurately.
        
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        July 26, 2019 3:07pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      What the idiot Greens are utterly failing to grasp is that trying to reduce New Zealand’s own emissions is just about the least effective contribution that New Zealand could make to addressing this global problem. For the same money, more rationally spent, we could bring about far, far greater emissions reductions. Alternatively we could bring about the same emissions reductions for far, far less expense. There is neither an economic nor an environmental rationale for trying to do it ourselves
      
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      July 26, 2019 3:35pm
- marcw
  
  There are 3 new coal fired power plants opening in Kyoto in the next year. Their emissions alone will be greater than all of Australia’s current emissions.
  
  Wasn’t Kyoto supposed to be the treaty to begin all this virtue signalling?
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:46am
  - srylands
    
    Sure was. The reason Japan is in the shit and has to turn to coal is that it abandoned nuclear. To the cheers of environmentalists at the time.
    
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    July 26, 2019 12:34pm
- Fletch
  
  I see now that Whangārei District Council has declared a “climate change emergency”. This is all becoming a stupid farce.
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/under-water-in-100-years-whang-rei-district-council-declares-climate-change-emergency
  
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  July 26, 2019 10:05am
  - The King
    
    Cloudy with a chance of meth induced violence?
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Banks still lending for waterfront properties. Strange
    
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    July 26, 2019 1:40pm
    - Paulus
      
      Borrow a mortgage from a Bank – they require a continuous insurance policy representing at least their first ranking interest.
      
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      July 26, 2019 1:55pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Not always, especially if you have other equity.
        
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        July 26, 2019 3:08pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  At current rates of warming in NZ (about 0.8°C per century over last 40 years) NZ climate in 100 years time will have changed by the equivalent of moving 80-100km north, or moving to a house 130m lower than the one you currently live in.
  
  Which most people would actually like.
  
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  July 26, 2019 10:36am
- Kabull
  
  Those looking for an answer to the question as to what is pushing this ‘concerted’ international climate emergency rubbish need to look into the UN’s Agenda 21 programme, agreed in 1992.
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:54am
Happychappy

Was it Three News and Tova O’Brien’s intention to try and get National delegates to speak their minds and instigate a coo against Simon Bidges with the release of information from Labours UMR Poll results for the past three years with Nationals annual Conference being this weekend.
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July 26, 2019 8:54am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Of course it was Happychappy. It’s a calculated hit-job by O’Brien and Newshub, and whichever Labour Party insider has leaked three years worth of UMR polls to her.
  
  But let’s not forget that UMR is Labour’s internal pollster, and their results are only ever referred to, but never actually seen. It’s easy to get the likes of O’Brien and Soper to run stories about National being on 38%, when they don’t have to produce any verification, because it came from an anonymous source.
  
  There will be no coup against Bridges this weekend, especially one based on another party’s internal polls. National polls via DPF’s Curia, and I know which company I would put my money on in being accurate. If Curia’s polls were suggesting what O’Brien alleges, there would be an issue.
  
  BTW, if Bridges is as useless and unelectable as O’Brien alleges, why have Labour and the Greens plunged new depths this week trying to discredit him?
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:24am
  - brett68
    
    BTW, if Bridges is as useless and unelectable as O’Brien alleges, why have Labour and the Greens plunged new depths this week trying to discredit him?
    
    Don’t make the mistake of thinking Labour are scared of Bridges, they are not, they love Bridges, he’s their ace in the hole. The same way Little and Cunliffe were for National.
    
    The great thing about Bridges is that he’s so disliked as a PM option you can really go over the top and people will still believe it.
    
    What’s even better is that the left knows Bridges is going nowhere because the religious sector of the National party has taken over.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:40am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Proof?
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:15am
    - Tall Man
      
      Nonsense.
      
      “The MP Simon Bridges disparaged as “f***ing useless”
      
      Doesn’t seem too religious to me.
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:40am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      What’s even better is that the left knows Bridges is going nowhere because the religious sector of the National party has taken over.
      
      Wow! I had no idea of that. It certainly hasn’t been discussed at any of the branch, electorate or regional meetings I’ve been to lately!
      
      Oh, hang on; it’s Brett the Bridges-hater…
      
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      July 26, 2019 11:16am
  - Piniwi
    
    Simple answer TS @9.24 am this is just identity politics being the preferred strategy Labour think is their strongest platform. Meanwhile their biggest challenge still remains the strong unity that National have far and beyond Labour’s dreams. The disunity in Labour seems to follow their rejection of information sharing between Government Departments to even cross consultation between Ministers. Topped off with a figurehead anointed PM who struggles to understand much of it at all.
    The so called ” leaked” internal UMR polling details are fair indication of the desperation that has them in a panic. While the majority get to have a chuckle at Labour’s expense by being offered some insight to what had them feeling so smug up untill now. Forget “reading between the lines” but we need to be “reading between the lies”.
    
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    July 26, 2019 1:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “lies”…..
      
      Are you talking behind my back?
      
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      July 26, 2019 3:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  ‘instigate a coo’
  By infiltrating the dovecote?
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:46am
lastmanstanding

IMHO The Squad are going to be the 2020 of Hilarys Deplorables.

Both have failed to read their people. Americans are very patriotic and stand behind their President when they are attacked.

Trump is playing The Squad like a violin and like most Lefties they are too thick and dumb to see it.

All he has to do is keep baiting them to make more outrageous statements that the people see as denigrating the US and he will win in a landslide.
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July 26, 2019 9:10am
- The King
  
  Problem is its not the President who gets actually attacked by the squads goons its his supporters on the streets and when they fight back they get arrested by Trumps DOJ and for some reason Antifa and co get let off scott free.
  
  Trumps baiting but his supporters are getting the backlash. Banned and silenced on 90% of the internet. If this trend continues 2020 wont be an easy win as you think
  
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  July 26, 2019 10:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    It will still be a win here and in the USA.
    
    Trump will win in 2020 barring a miracle and ardern will lose here as well.
    
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    July 26, 2019 11:23am
Tony Stuart

So the PM is off to Tokelau for a six-day visit. Quite by coincidence, her father is the Administrator for Tokelau.

According to their 2016 census, Tokelau has a population of 1499, which will swell somewhat when the Prime Ministerial entourage arrives. She has justified the trip, saying that Helen Clark was the last Kiwi PM to visit there, in 2004. But a six day trip, whilst Parliament is sitting, and whilst there is any number of serious issues requiring her attention? It certainly seems excessive.
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July 26, 2019 9:14am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And ‘quite by coincidence’, it also happens to be the week of Jacinda
  and her dads birthdays.
  
  Let the good times roll. LOL!!
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:22am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Laziest PM ever. And doesn’t seem to care to much about the massive CO2 emissions her frequent overseas holidays entail either.
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:39am
    - sooty
      
      Does Jethro have to film another episode of his tv series?
      Did she take the 757?
      How many birthday guests went on the plane?
      Did Jethros film crew travel on the plane?
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        No airport in Tokelau so she may have to look into parachuting.
        
        My guess is they’ll be sailing there unless there is a chance to refuel the NH90 in Tokelau.
        
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        July 26, 2019 3:18pm
  - Scooter
    
    Gee I hope her birthday present from her father is worth travelling all that way for.
    
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    July 26, 2019 6:40pm
- Tall Man
  
  All I can say is LLB.
  
  Lazy is a possible there…. the mods won’t allow the rest but we’ve got a few smarties on here 😉
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:33am
  - Happychappy
    
    They say the people of Canada have woken up to the fact that Trudeau’s Governments wish to close free speech on social media over there, so it will only be a matter of time before the tide will turn on the silly little girl.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:46am
- alex Masterley
  
  Tony,
  I would say the population will double when the PM arrives.
  This trip looks like one of those run away and hide ones.
  The Ihumato issue is something rather nasty on the short term horizon. and on that subject I agree with Kelvin Davis that the crown should have nothing to do with the matter as the particular Iwi/Hapu have had a treaty settlement and this issue relates to land that has been privately held for over 150 years.
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:39am
  - hullkiwi
    
    ….aaaahhhh, but the local Auckland City Ward Councillor Efeso Collins (Labour) seeing an opportunity for visibilty ahead of the council elections, has made sure the chances of this being settled properly are nil! All in the name of politics.
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:46am
- hullkiwi
  
  Tony, I thought her father was the administrator on Nuie, not Tokelau. Or has Winston moved him.
  
  And how much more aid will PriNZess bequeath to Tokelau this trip?
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    Yep, he’s moved up in the world………
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:41am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    No, he was appointed by Winston Peters as Administrator for Tokelau on 15 December 2017, just a couple of months after Peters had appointed Ardern’s daughter to the role of Prime Minister.
    
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    July 26, 2019 11:19am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Not bad work for a town policeman.
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:21pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  How the hell is she going to get to Tokelau and back in six days?
  There is no airport and the only boat takes 35 hours from Apia and only goes every 3 weeks.
  Or will we be sending an NH90 helicopter over there for her?
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:46am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Concern noted.
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Winston must be loving this. I wonder if hes the one preparing her itineraries?
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:47am
- All_on_Red
  
  Taxpayer paid trip taking the baby to see Grandad
  Is she ever going to do any work?
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Is Gayford making a fishing program episode too?
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:12am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And is he the full squid? 🙂
      
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      July 26, 2019 10:46am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I’ve heard he’s a bit of a scampi 😀
        
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        July 26, 2019 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oma rapeti, oma rapeti, oma oma oma
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:49am
- Komata
  
  TS@0914
  
  The obvious question: What is due to be debated / discussed in the NZ Parliament this week that is so important that it has been deemed better to have the priNZess out of the country while it is being dealt with?
  
  Whatever it is, it must be something which she could well stuff-up by attending…
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:57am
  - Piniwi
    
    Perhaps K @ 9.57 am it might help understand why the Speaker took so long to reinforce the proxy voting process in The House yesterday. But how can she justify 6 days there when China only rated a day trip? We are again reminded by what might be the most honest statement she ever offered: “Here for a good time, not a long time”. Lol comrade.
    
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    July 26, 2019 1:34pm
- rangitoto
  
  Didn’t she just have a holiday? When is she actually at work.
  
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  July 26, 2019 10:04am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Climate Emergency my arse.
  Running two MAN B&W 12RK280 diesel engines and 35 crew for nearly a fortnight doesn’t come cheap. Plus 757 for a week.
  Parliament seems to have become an irritant with Jacinda, misses most Thursdays to do schools and kindy’s, but missing a whole week for her and Daddy’s birthday is taking it up a notch.
  The Otago has relocated from Devonport to Apia that will have dead running of 6,000 km round trip.
  Another 1200 Kms with the Princess and her entourage on board, with Helicopter I assume.
  Will only be able to take 30 all up unless they top and tail on Otago.
  Things don’t always work out in travel like you want them to.
  I guess “Fishman” is a fairly good sailor, but if they arrive tomorrow arvo and set sail, they will encounter some fairly rough seas.
  Bring out the sick bags, its a 500 km trip.
  And once you are on there, you ride it all the way.
  Consequences of doing a “Look at me I guess”
  Think of all that poverdy this useless exercise would pay for.
  But alas, its all about world exposure.
  
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  July 26, 2019 5:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

It’s Friday. What clairvoyant opinion bombshell will the COL drop after 4pm today?
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July 26, 2019 9:45am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Plans to send African immigrants back to where they came from?
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:48am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Plans to send African immigrants back to where they came from?”
    
    But they will face oppression based on the color of their skin when they are repatriated to South Africa.
    
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    July 26, 2019 10:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As usual, smarmy and snide. You can do better Mike
    
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    July 26, 2019 11:57am
    - Tall Man
      
      Nope, he can’t.
      
      Like most lefties he carries unmitigated hatred for entire groups. He has no idea why but it’s just there to signal to the world that he’s nearly ‘woke”.
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:17pm
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

Global warming is now the “little people’s” bogeyman and certainly not for the likes of Chompers and her bourgeoisie ilk. Just ask Karl Marx!
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July 26, 2019 9:59am
Fletch

“If one imagines a length of the Earth’s atmosphere one kilometre long, 780 metres of this are made up of nitrogen, 210 are oxygen and 10 metres are water vapour (the largest greenhouse gas). Just 0.38 of a metre is carbon dioxide, to which human emissions contribute one millimetre. Australia’s share of this is 0.015 of a millimetre, the breadth of a human hair, to reduce which Gillard is about to inflict on her country’s economy damage costing billions of pounds a year.”

-Professor Ian Plimer.

We’re going to cripple our own economy for the same pointless reason.
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July 26, 2019 10:08am
- stephieboy
  
  Climate Misinformation by Source: Ian Plimer
  
  https://skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Ian_Plimer.ht
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:00am
  - Fletch
    
    Exactly what part do you disagree with? I did a google and find that the percentage of Co2 in the Earth’s atmosphere is around 0.04% eg, –
    
    The approximate composition of dry air is –
    
    78.1% nitrogen
    20.93% oxygen
    0.94% argon
    0.04% CO2
    other gases in trace amounts
    
    Source – 13 years as an analytical chemist specialising in gas and air analysis.
    
    So yes, very little of the atmosphere is made up of CO2, and only a small percentage of that (3% or 4% estimates) are human-caused. But we should institute a “climate crisis” and kneecap our farming industry?
    
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    July 26, 2019 11:31am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Leaving aside for a moment the obvious fact that being a trace element doesn’t necessarily preclude a substance from causing harm, a few minutes on Google reading actual science sites rather than Plimer’s foolishness should be enough to educate you on why increasing atmospheric CO2 is a problem and is human-caused.
      
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      July 26, 2019 11:46am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Why do plants love CO2 and you do’t want to feed them?
        
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        July 26, 2019 12:13pm
      - The King
        
        You’ll have to excuse the skeptic Gen X kids who got told all through the 80’s/ 90’s there was hole in the ozone layer and we were all going to fry to death by 2010.
        
        Being lied to has a kid has its repercussions.
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:01pm
      - rangitoto
        
        https://arxiv.org/abs/1907.00165
        
        “No experimental evidence for the significant anthropogenic climate change”
        
        Actual data trumps any idiotic computer modelling.
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:12pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rangitoto,
        
        Non-peer-reviewed manuscript falsely claims natural cloud changes can explain global warming
        
        SOURCE: Jyrki Kauppinen, Paul Joseph Watson, Pekka Malmi, Fox News, Sky News Australia, Summit.news, Zero Hedge, 11 July 2019
        DETAILS
        
        Flawed Reasoning: The authors’ argument claims a correlation between cloud cover/relative humidity and global temperature proves that the former caused the latter without investigating whether they have the relationship backwards.
        Inadequate support: The source of their claimed global cloud dataset is not given, and no research on their proposed mechanism for climate change is cited.
        Fails to provide correct physical explanation: The manuscript incorrectly claims that the rise of atmospheric carbon dioxide is caused by release from ocean waters. It also provides no explanation for the claim that an increase in relative humidity causes global cooling….’
        
        https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview/non-peer-reviewed-manuscript-falsely-claims-natural-cloud-changes-can-explain-global-warming/
        
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        July 26, 2019 3:08pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  This site has a more visual impact. Increasing the black dots from 96 to about 125 or so will NOT make a huge difference and even so there is considerable dabate on the saturation of the atmosphere wrt CO2 and some argue that increasing the amount to over a 1200 ppm will have a neglible effect on weather, but a huge gain in plant growth, especially in arid regions.
  
  https://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxide-400-ppm-diagrams
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:34am
Humble Capitalist

Genter says no to funding Tauranga motorway and thats because it only accounts for 1% of NZ road fatalies. I thought the big talk was about a zero road toll target.
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July 26, 2019 10:35am
- alwyn
  
  She needs the money for a cycle/walk way from Ngauranga to Petone. It’s about $100 million of our taxpayer money but it is, according to Ms G desperately needed. I’ve done a return trip along it 4 times since last Sunday. That is 8 times along the bit of road concerned. The most cyclists I have seen was 3. On 3 of the trips there wasn’t a single cyclist.
  I wonder what the Cost Benefit ratio of this proposal is? It has got to be worse than any road for motorists could possibly be.
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:16am
  - rangitoto
    
    No point in building that cycle way as the Gweens claim it will be under water in a few years.
    
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    July 26, 2019 1:09pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Only for cyclists, not for car fascists.
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:37am
  - sooty
    
    About the same as the bridge one!
    
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    July 26, 2019 12:32pm
Ross12

This article on YSB shows a frightening development in NZ. Have the Police lost the plot ?
https://ysb.co.nz/attack-on-free-speech/
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July 26, 2019 10:50am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Really recommend visiting that site. Lots of familiar faces and you can use naughty words there and be truthful about the integrity of politicians….
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    Or lack of integrity 😉
    
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    July 26, 2019 11:42am
    - hullkiwi
      
      As you were saying the girl who is economical with the truth….(there are so many ways to spin what you write in 4 blunt words “Ardern is a ****”).
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:29pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I am permitted to call ardern a liar when it is relevant to the topic, thread or post.
        
        What I am not permitted to do is the say, “well it’s a lovely day here today and ardern is a liar despite it being a defining characteristic.
        
        I do miss the good old days but it would seem that many now here do not have the same feelings.
        
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        July 26, 2019 3:25pm
    - sooty
      
      And it comes up as soon as you post it!
      
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      July 26, 2019 12:30pm
  - Garbageman
    
    We are also funny extremely intelligent and good looking cmon over and say hi especially you Stephie after all the site was named in your honour by Holysheet it would be rude not to really
    
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    July 26, 2019 1:42pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Down ticked….. “You know why”
      
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      July 26, 2019 3:21pm
- The King
  
  Ah the Marxist shake down begins, just give the Jacinda Occupation Government your guns everything will be just fine.
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:29am
  - stephieboy
    
    The King, paranoia rules?
    
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    July 26, 2019 12:13pm
    - The King
      
      “stop being paranoid Vlas the Bolsheviks wont murder 11 million of us” Ukraine 1932
      
      “stop being paranoid chang Mao wont kill 45 million of his own people” China 1960
      
      “stop being paranoid tuol Pol Pot wont genocide 2 million of us” Cambodia 1979
      
      “stop being paranoid Hutu the Tutsi only want a communist state the won’t genocide 2 million of us” Rwanda 1994
      
      This is fine Comrade real Communism hasn’t been tried! Jacinda will show us how its done!
      
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      July 26, 2019 1:48pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “Jacinda will show how its done”?
        
        Again paranoia rules!
        
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        July 26, 2019 3:07pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
A sample of the most revealing and illuminating tweets about Mr Haystack ( after a Tornado)

Donald Trump and Boris Johnson go in to shake each other’s hands for the first time and they immediately bounce off each other like two guys wearing inflatable sumo suits

Boris Johnson looks like a medieval turnip cart driver

Congratulations to Boris Johnson for finally giving me a clear and concise understanding of exactly what British people mean when they say “wanker”.

After tweeting something negative about Boris Johnson, I’m discovering that his fan base can only be described as “aggressively flaccid”.

Respect to Boris Johnson, a true pioneer in the field of Politicians Who Look Like Satirical Cartoons Of Themselves.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/07/funniest-boris-johnson-tweets.html
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July 26, 2019 10:56am
- The Feed
  
  “Respect to Boris Johnson, a true pioneer in the field of Politicians Who Look Like Satirical Cartoons Of Themselves.”
  
  Ah, the left. How they fail to grasp what is right in front of them.
  
  Boris is a distinctly *British* character. Why may that be a clue about the massive shift in current going on just beneath the surface, Stephie?
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:22am
  - stephieboy
    
    Boris is a distinctly *British* character??
    
    His yellow haystack?
    
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    July 26, 2019 12:19pm
    - The Feed
      
      Yes, a distinctly British character.
      
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      July 26, 2019 1:40pm
- MrTips
  
  Need an digital mentor? That’s right, if you want to learn the art of self-immolation on the internet, just send $19 and an explicit photo of yourself to stephie and you too can learn to relax and understand the true meaning of plank spanking
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:35am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Wow, Boris Derangement Syndrome is strong here.
  
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  July 26, 2019 12:13pm
Tony Stuart

Have a watch of BoJo’s first speech as PM to the House of Commons stephie:

https://youtu.be/aTQYvbZUGS8

It’s not hard to see why Corbyn and co are sh*t-scared of him, and why the liberal press will resort to anything to drag him down. He’s a very impressive figure.
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July 26, 2019 11:26am
- The Feed
  
  What a speech! Bury the dreary, regressive socialists, Boris.
  
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  July 26, 2019 12:29pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Nigel Farrage is to meet with PM Boris in the near future. If the Conservative and the Brexit parties can reach common ground the UK Labour Party (and especially Corbyn) will be blown out of the water.
  
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  July 26, 2019 12:32pm
- toby1845
  
  Wow, what a great speech.
  
  I loved it when he referred to the 39 billion pounds that had been planned to be given to the EU as part of the divorce agreement as now being available to be used to prepare for a No-Deal Brexit. Europe’s gonna get nuffink!
  
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  July 26, 2019 12:36pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I liked the speech until he started blathering proudly about “carbon zero by 2050” and “electric cars”. Sigh. So, he’s not got what it takes on that front, and UK citizens will continue to be hoodwinked.
  
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  July 26, 2019 1:42pm
krazykiwi

Need advice from my Wellington Kbers.

I need a typhoid immunization. It’s a simple jab administered by a nurse, and my last was 2011 (jab that is, not nurse!)

Problem is every GP wants to charge me a ‘Travel Consultation’ at around $90 plus the cost of the medication at around $60.

Does anyone know where I can simply pay for the immunization, without the ~4 minutes and $90 with the Doctor?
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July 26, 2019 11:35am
- Tall Man
  
  Where are you going that requires that?
  
  Your own GP shouldn’t be doing that.
  
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  July 26, 2019 11:41am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Mexico and Costa Rica. Some cycling, and visiting a relative who has been helping Venezuelan refugees.
    
    This ‘Travel Consultation’ is a bit of a rort. I simply want an immunization that is both routine and due.
    
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    July 26, 2019 12:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/services-and-support/health-care-services/maori-health-provider-directory
      
      Find a local one and join, yes even a leg shaving road lice like yourself can join a maori health center. 🙂 Their charges are also usually lower than non funded practices as well (PHO).
      
      Enjoy slowing down traffic is Central America 😉
      
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      July 26, 2019 1:05pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Cycling in Central America?
        You sure are a krazy kiwi.
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:38pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Won’t be holding up traffic or shaving my legs … but some involuntary dismount practice might be on the menu 🙂
        
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        July 26, 2019 1:49pm
      - Tall Man
        
        He says he won’t be shaving his legs…….. We all know you will so the lycra slides on so smoothly…….
        
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        July 26, 2019 2:41pm
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    Why? GP’s are private businesses free to charge whatever they want.
    
    Although, if every GP is doing it, then you’d think there was some kind of collusion going on. Which would be illegal.
    
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    July 26, 2019 12:47pm
- Jules99
  
  You could consider getting it there. Last I heard it was pretty cheap to visit a doctor. Can your relative advise?
  
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  July 26, 2019 1:28pm
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    That’s not a bad idea!
    
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    July 26, 2019 1:43pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I think it may well be a bad idea…..
      
      “In 2016, Mexico had 12 000 (11 000 – 14 000) new HIV infections and 4200 (3300 – 5300) AIDS-related deaths. … The key populations most affected by HIV in Mexico are: Sex workers, with an HIV prevalence of 7.0%. Gay men and other men who have sex with men, with an HIV prevalence of 17.3%.”
      
      You never know where that needle’s been ;(
      
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      July 26, 2019 2:43pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Hmmm, looking at those risk factors, I’m more at risk of being invited to a fish & chip dinner at Jacinda’s place than I am of contracting HIV in Mexico.
        
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        July 26, 2019 5:24pm
Captain Mainwaring

Nice to see 91 octane in the Hutt Valley down to $2.07 (Mobil Petone). In May it was over $2.30.
Must be the effect of Waitomo’s recent arrival.
Z haven’t got the message though. Right over the road and they are 5c more. Last week the difference was 12c. Don’t know how they are selling any.
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July 26, 2019 11:53am
- stephieboy
  
  And the NZ public take the 1st of July price blip in their stride!
  
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  July 26, 2019 12:20pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I think Z may not be so concerned about pulling petrol here in Auckland since they started selling Krispy Creme donuts
  
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  July 26, 2019 12:37pm
rangitoto

facebook post from Simeon Brown:

“It was so cold this morning, I saw a socialist with his hands in his own pockets!”
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July 26, 2019 12:33pm
- Tall Man
  
  Payback 2020.
  
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  July 26, 2019 1:25pm
Captain Mainwaring

It would seem that South Canterbury is the only DHB that’s not running a deficit.
The population of Timaru has hardly changed in 60 years. Virtually everywhere else the population has at least doubled and in some places (the ones with the worst deficits) it has tripled or quadrupled.
Maybe the bureaucrats are not very good at forecasting where the demand is going to be and allocating funding accordingly.
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July 26, 2019 12:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  And also not waste money perhaps.
  
  Would love to see a breakdown between “admin” and “frontline” staff.
  
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  July 26, 2019 12:43pm
- wreck1080
  
  Central planners are never good a predicting demand.
  
  The whole reason capitalism exists, is because the collective intelligence of the people dwarfs any government brainpower.
  
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  July 26, 2019 12:46pm
  - stephieboy
    
    wreck1080, like the provision pf publically funded healthcare?
    
    Oh sure!
    
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    July 26, 2019 2:57pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Is that saying something about Timaru?
  
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  July 26, 2019 1:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    McCos will along shortly.
    
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    July 26, 2019 1:25pm
    - Jack5
      
      “McCos” – that’s good.
      
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      July 26, 2019 5:09pm
wreck1080

Why is this news?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12253024

DPF claimed that very few chinese buy homes anyway.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/06/data_continues_to_show_foreign_buyers_was_hysteria.html

I suspect DPF was completely wrong, and in actual fact 20% of auckland properties were being sold to foreign buyers.

So, this is a total collapse… which started the day that chinese buyers were required to provide an IRD number .
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July 26, 2019 12:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  The clue is in the words “Central Auckland”.
  
  “Home transfers to overseas people in Central Auckland peaked at 321 transfers (22 per cent) in the June 2018 quarter, shortly before the Overseas Investment Amendment Act 2018 was passed, restricting the sale of residential land.
  
  Of these, 153 homes were transferred to overseas people with Chinese tax residency in the June 2018 quarter – falling to 48 in the June 2019 quarter.”
  
  Hardly a rush…
  
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  July 26, 2019 1:28pm
secondcumming

Banksie has decided he *will not run* for the Auckland mayoralty….but will instead put his support behind John Tamihere and Christine Fletcher.

Onya anyway Banksie! The last thing this city needs is another term of a hard left commie who was prepared to demonstrate against and spit on our returning soldiers.

Lest we forget….
https://www.w3vietnam.org.nz/images/goffandclark.bmp
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July 26, 2019 1:03pm
Jack5

There are two sides to the Israel-Palestine situation, but hell is Red Radio biased in favour of Palestine.

The RNZ reporter in World Watch from 12.45 today actually prompted the overseas interviewee to suggest international trade boycotts in the style of those against apartheid-era South Africa.

This sort of bias in State radio is financed by your taxes.
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July 26, 2019 1:06pm
- The King
  
  Good, it wasn’t Palestinian Students who came to NZ en masse in 2014 and proceeded to rob thousands of vulnerable elderly NZ’rs of their pensions under the guise of “dead sea salt” none of them got their money back because the thieves fled back to Israel.
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/dead-sea-product-hawkers-skirt-law-decency/
  
  NZ should lead the way and boycott everything from these scum.
  
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  July 26, 2019 1:57pm
  - Batman
    
    Right, so some dodgy people ran a dodgy business and you use that as a reason for your anti-Semitic views? Classy…..
    
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    July 26, 2019 2:22pm
    - The King
      
      If NZ students went to Israel and robbed holocaust survivors you’d be outraged, but NZ students would never do that… you know why? because they are not Israelis.
      
      How hard is this to comprehend?
      
      Its people like you that let the Harvey Weinsteins rape kids because to question them not raping kids is…”Anti-Semitic” that’s why they keep doing it over and over again because of..YOU.
      
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      July 26, 2019 2:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        I doubt there’s been as rabidly anti-Jewish on Kiwiblog as you, King, since Kea got booted out. Similar trawling through Israeli sites for damaging material.
        
        Mmm, I wonder whether Kea’s still trying to make a world breakthrough in string theory. Has anyone heard on any progress with this?
        
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        July 26, 2019 3:44pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Jeez man, let it go.
    
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    July 26, 2019 2:44pm
- MCos
  
  You say there are two sides.
  What’s the other one?
  
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  July 26, 2019 3:28pm
The Feed

Look, Greens. This may be basic, and you should have realised this by now, but YOU are the government.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/government-cannot-ignore-ihum-tao-greens-co-leader-tells-crowd-protest-site

“The Government “cannot simply ignore” the Ihumātao protests “and say we can’t intervene”, Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson told activists today and she and other MPs visited for the first time the Auckland site that has become the epicentre of a nationwide movement.

“We are here to tell you that every day in te whare pāremata (House of Parliament) we are taking your voices into the halls of power,” she told the crowd. ”

So, what are YOU going to do about it? Talk to yourselves? No. Time for action, Greens.

Let’s do this.
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July 26, 2019 2:48pm
- MCos
  
  Inasmuch as the Greens are not part of the Cabinet and only have a confidence & supply agreement with Labour I doubt they have much sway in these matters.
  
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  July 26, 2019 3:51pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They’ve got Jacinda and the CoL into a tizzy…
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/395318/ihumatao-protests-no-building-while-a-solution-is-sought-pm
    
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    July 26, 2019 6:50pm
wreck1080

How many heat records need to be broken before kiwiblog accepts global warming?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/114537211/this-weeks-europe-heat-wave-could-hasten-the-arctic-ice-melt

Once above the Arctic Circle, the weather system responsible for this heat wave could accelerate the loss of sea ice, which is already running at a record low for this time of year.
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July 26, 2019 2:57pm
- Fletch
  
  It’s not that we don’t accept warming. It’s that we don’t accept that CO2 is the main culprit, especially CO2 caused by humans, and that therefore the world must be taxed to somehow combat it, especially farmers because cows are bad. It’s a fact that the main greenhouse gas is water – good old H2O, but you can’t tax people for that, so now CO2 is the baddie.
  
  Yes, the climate will heat and cool but it has been doing that for thousands of years.
  
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  July 26, 2019 3:35pm
  - wreck1080
    
    Singing a different tune , all of a sudden.
    
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    July 26, 2019 5:09pm
- The Feed
  
  We’ll know it’s serious when the Green Party stops flying and riding in cars.
  
  Until then….
  
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  July 26, 2019 3:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ve just returned from the Arctic..
  Our boat couldn’t get beyond 79deg 57’N on the western side of Svalbard..and only reached Barentsoya Island on the Eastern side due to the thickness of the sea ice.
  The following week (17 July) the Norwegian Icebreaker Crown Prince Haakon had to turn around at 85deg N because of the thickness of the sea ice.
  https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/07/17/we-had-expected-more-melting-thick-arctic-ice-forces-norwegian-climate-research-icebreaker-to-turn-back/
  
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  July 26, 2019 3:56pm
- krazykiwi
  
  accepts global warming
  
  Accepts what, exactly? Whenever I see a statement like that I’m reminded that the author has absolutely no idea about science, nor the topic, nor the application of science in respect of the topic.
  
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  July 26, 2019 5:28pm
- The King
  
  Then go tell India and China the biggest polluters about it.
  
  Nobody wants to join your climate religion, bunch of weirdos.
  
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  July 26, 2019 6:30pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Mid summer seasonal nuisance.
  Where the ice we were promised back in the 1970’s?
  
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  July 26, 2019 10:08pm
stoptheboats

from a newspaper
”Ghahraman posted about the party’s support of what those were fighting for at Ihumātao on Twitter: “We stand with the mana whenua of Ihumātao. The hīkoi to Parliament…reflects the spirit of justice rising in Aotearoa.”

One of the Squad pokes her beak into the latest cause celebre -anyway whats an Iranian ‘refugee’ lecturing us about Maori infighting for ??
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July 26, 2019 3:10pm
- MCos
  
  Are you suggesting that only people born in this country should speak out about local affairs?
  That would hamstring a lot of our MPs from at least three of the parties. (I don’t know, or don’t care, about NZF)
  Several people on this forum who have plenty to say about local affairs are immigrants.
  Likewise a lot of people here, including myself, like myself don’t hold back with their opinions about countries they may not have even clapped eyes on.
  
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  July 26, 2019 3:40pm
- The Feed
  
  Yeah, uh Ghahraman? YOU are the government.
  
  No need to march against yourself.
  
  Take action.
  
  Let’s do this.
  
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  July 26, 2019 3:46pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  None of this will be doing anything to reinforce Jacinda’s insistence that New Zealand is open for business. The message that property rights and the right to carry out legal commercial activity won’t be protected or defended by the New Zealand government won’t go unnoticed internationally
  
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  July 26, 2019 3:46pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  “the spirit of justice rising in Aotearoa”
  Like cancelling oil and mineral exploration by say so.
  It’s getting time to sack this COL.
  
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  July 26, 2019 10:04pm
MCos

Tweet of the day
https://twitter.com/tmorello/status/1154604922114961408?s=21
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July 26, 2019 4:13pm
sooty

How did Cindy fly out on her holiday ?
I hear she used the frigate Otago as personal transport to her fathers island!
Is Jethro going to uase the Otago as dive tender for his film shoots?
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July 26, 2019 4:33pm
- sooty
  
  Hey Cindy, how many trees did you plant to offset your carbon footprint on that lot?
  Did you get Shanes nephs off the couch or hire in contractors?
  
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  July 26, 2019 4:40pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Part of the accelerating growth south of Christchurch …

Ngāi Tahu buys big block of industrial land for subdivision south of Christchurch … Marta Steeman … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114417856/ngai-tahu-has-bought-almost-70-hectares-of-industrial-land-for-subdivision-south-of-christchurch

… extract …

… Colliers International’s Christchurch director of the industrial division, Sam Staite, said the new Southern Motorway in Christchurch was set to fuel growth in the industrial heartland of Hornby which had seen a large amount of new development and refurbishment of older facilities.

The earthquakes had had a large part in driving the shift to western and southern locations for commercial and industrial property.

Staite said Christchurch had the second biggest industrial market in New Zealand. There was great interest in investment in industrial property by institutional investors as well as smaller investors.
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New drone footage shows progress on Christchurch Southern Motorway … Nicole Matthewson … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/113667779/new-drone-footage-shows-progress-on-christchurch-southern-motorway
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… coupled with the residential ‘flight to affordability’ (further information 2019 section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) with the overwhelming demand for detached housing with backyards … as the Westpac Housing Preference Survey makes clear …

Survey finds Kiwis’ backyard dream still alive and well – Westpac Bank Survey … Scoop NZ

http://business.scoop.co.nz/2019/05/28/survey-finds-kiwis-backyard-dream-still-alive-and-well/
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July 26, 2019 4:39pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … with the education sector booming …
  
  New primary school for Rolleston part of Canterbury schools’ cash boost | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/114532255/new-primary-school-for-rolleston-part-of-canterbury-schools-cash-boost
  
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  July 26, 2019 5:52pm
Tall Man

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12253087

Where is the “outrage” from anyone about this trip.

WTF is the “carbon” footprint of the HMNZS Otago FFS?

https://davidarkwrightnavy.2242njc.com/2019/05/19/type-12-frigate-hmnzs-otago-f111/?fbclid=IwAR1J6JAn7lLAvUB8WVW0I7lj-e2ppa_dYIjfVRkT7aOX6ydnU2aFbQYmyJM
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July 26, 2019 5:05pm
- The Feed
  
  “The Prime Minister will visit all three of Tokelau’s atolls and will spend time talking to locals about issues such as climate change.”
  
  Beyond farcical.
  
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  July 26, 2019 5:59pm
- sooty
  
  Shanes nephs have got it!
  They will all get of the couch to plant trees gor the next 5yrs to off set the carbon footprint!
  
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  July 26, 2019 6:28pm
- rangitoto
  
  Just shows that NZ should have nuclear powered warships.
  
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  July 26, 2019 8:02pm
- Kabull
  
  Wrong Otago. The photo is the frigate that was decommissioned in 1983. Ardern will be traveling in the offshore patrol vessel Otago.
  
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  July 26, 2019 9:10pm
rightoverlabour

You can bet a bottle of Jacinda’s Truth Serum that Stuff won’t be reporting this:

https://watchers.news/2019/07/25/unusually-strong-cold-front-brings-record-low-july-temperatures-to-southern-u-s/
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July 26, 2019 5:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Taihoa Fletchers…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/07/ihum-tao-building-development-suspended-until-solution-reached-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern.html
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July 26, 2019 6:54pm
- sooty
  
  Cindy’s going to stuff up all the previous treaty setalments, because feelz!
  Dover Samuals said it’s family infighting!
  
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  July 26, 2019 7:52pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  So, a democratic decision by 75 of 78 mana whenua who voted to allow Fletcher’s to purchase the land at Ihumātao has been overridden by the Prime Minister, as she heads to the airport. I didn’t think it was possible for me to be more disappointed with the government she leads, but I was wrong.
  
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  July 26, 2019 7:55pm
  - rangitoto
    
    The Gweens probably threatened to withdraw CaS.
    
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    July 26, 2019 8:18pm
    - dog_eat_dog
      
      That would be the Greens functioning in a politically expedient way then. Bringing down the Govt is basically their only credible option, or else it kind of looks like they’ve just been pandering and pretending to be in opposition to keep their activist base interested.
      
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      July 26, 2019 9:04pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That woman’s a menace to shipping. What next from Ardern–take over the EU or hire Hillary?
    
    There was once the rule of law in NZ. Now its rule by our native Queen.
    
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    July 26, 2019 9:59pm
John Warren

How tall is Simon Bridges?

Asking for a friend.
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July 26, 2019 7:12pm
Hugh Pavletich

… GERMANY …

German economy in ‘freefall’ as exhausted Draghi loses his magic … AEP … UK Telegraph (behind paywall)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/25/german-economy-free-fall-exhausted-draghi-loses-magic/

German industry is in the deepest slump since the global financial crisis and threatens to push Europe’s powerhouse economy into full-blown recession. The darkening outlook is forcing the European Central Bank to contemplate ever more perilous measures..

The influential Ifo Institute in Munich said its business climate indicator for manufacturing went into “free fall” in July as the delayed damage from global trade conflict takes its toll and confidence wilts. It goes far beyond the woes of the car industry. More than 80pc of Germany’s factories are in outright contraction… read more via hyperlink above (behind paywall) …
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July 26, 2019 8:07pm
Tony Stuart

It’s not often that I agree with Willie Jackson on anything, but I think he’s got this one dead right:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/ihum-tao-an-injustice-but-the-iwi-s-deal-should-be-respected-willie-jackson.html

It’s just a shame his leader didn’t agree.
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July 26, 2019 8:15pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Peter Ellis dying of cancer. Fuck he’s had a shit life. Long past time the conviction was shit-canned and a proper apology delivered.
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