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Yvette

Beijing has submitted its own counter-letter, also signed by 37 nations supporting China’s policies. after New Zealand was one of 22 countries that last week signed a letter to the president of the United Nations Human Rights Council criticising Beijing for its treatment of ethnic Uighurs in the Xinjiang region, with reports of detainees being forced to renounce their faith and undergoing psychological torture.

A Herald article “Inside China’s brutal ‘death camps'” says –
Last month, the independent and international China Tribunal, chaired in London by the esteemed Sir Geoffrey Nice, concluded a state-sponsored human farming operation [organ transplant harvesting] was taking place across the country. [1]

Notably, many of the 37 states supporting China are Islamic. Why, when it is Muslims, believers in Islam, who are reportedly victims of the policies?

Even Saudi Arabia, which host significant numbers of ethnic Uyghurs, have refrained from any official criticism of the Chinese government, possibly due to economic and political liasons between China and many Islamic nations.[2]

So NZ signed a letter to the Human Rights Council, but didn’t have anyone read the letter out, put it up as a resolution or even tell anyone they had signed the letter.
Such a brave principled Government – kiwiblog

Or a Government that is pretty much the same as any other when it comes to self-interest or, literally, “New Zealand first”

In the meantime, I can assure all of you, New Zealand remains committed to continue to do our part to building and sustaining international peace and security. To promoting and defending an open, inclusive, and rules-based international order based on universal values.
To being pragmatic, empathetic, strong and kind. – Ardern addressing the UN

So far we are just being pragmatic – in a self-serving sense.
Probably like Saudi Arabia.

[1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12249797
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs
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July 16, 2019 8:08am
- sooty
  
  So, there! What do you think of them bikkies!
  
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  July 16, 2019 8:24am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Why, when it is Muslims, believers in Islam, who are reportedly victims of the policies?”
  
  Maybe the Uighurs follow the wrong flavor of Islam? You know, Catholic vs. Protestant–that kind of thing–perhaps.
  
  The enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend logic.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Uighers are Hanafi Sunni…. The most numerous group.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:54am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Why? A good many Muslim leaders rule through fear of bodily violence be visited on the wayward. China’s treatment of the Uighurs is probably an inspiration.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:35am
- projectman
  
  ‘To promoting and defending an open, inclusive, and rules-based international order based on universal values.’
  
  More virtue signalling. There is no such thing as universal values.
  
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  July 16, 2019 12:35pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  37 Nations with cheaply purchased morality
  
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  July 16, 2019 3:18pm
Happychappy

Let’s just hope the complaint about Kiwibuild and and houses already built by developers is upheld by the Auditor General after he agreed to Judith Collins complaint.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/tvnz/onenews/story/2019/07/16/nationals-kiwibuild-complaint-taken-up-by-auditor-generals-offic.html
Twyford though he could just wheel and deal without the taxpayer caring.
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July 16, 2019 8:10am
- sooty
  
  It would just run off him, like he was a mallard!
  
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  July 16, 2019 8:26am
  - hullkiwi
    
    It’s all about Labour caring and producing more houses. Which is more than National did. So says the Labour PR spin.
    
    However, as we know, the truth is inconvenient, with fewer than 1000 homes bought of builders and the rest nowhere in sight.
    
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    July 16, 2019 8:45am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Nothing will be found. Move on bro.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:25am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Collins has submitted thousands of written questions to the Minister(s) of Housing. Very detailed questions too, though the answers have not always been transparent. She has a truckload of the government’s own data as input to the OAG review.
  
  Notes that some information has been withheld due to commercial sensitivity. Some of this relates to whether the 10,356 homes said to be contracted and committed are in fact under contract.
  
  She has also asked questions about the budget for the Kiwibuild Unit.
  
  IMO the key issue, possibly not part of the OAG review, is who is going to buy these places, and will it be the taxpayer. Well over half of the few completed remain unsold and the underwrite has been triggered for some.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:38am
  - tf78
    
    It’s just a cunning plan by Labour to buy HC homes and double up by calling them KIWIBUILD, so they look twice as clever.
    
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    July 16, 2019 5:07pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I note Twyford isn’t commenting, his human shield (O’Sullivan) is also unavailable, and we’re left with an anonymous ‘spokesperson’ responding.
  
  This issue is a leading contender for the torpedo that sinks the SS CoL
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:44am
  - mark15
    
    By a nose…
    
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    July 16, 2019 11:16am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Nothing can sink CoL. Next opinion poll where Labour will be sitting pretty at 55% and Tooth Fairy at 75% popularity will prove it to you. Sheeple deserve this gummit.
    
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    July 16, 2019 11:27am
Prince

And some people want to give 16 year olds the vote.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114250660/student-says-others-should-learn-from-her-8000-debt-mistake
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July 16, 2019 8:13am
- hullkiwi
  
  ….and there are some beyond 18 who never learn either. And there are some older than 18 who are so stupid and I’ll informed they should never haven been given the right to vote in the first place.
  
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  July 16, 2019 8:51am
- dubya
  
  So ASB lent her a few thousand to buy a car – what’s the big deal? She chose to not spend it on a car (and the story won’t say what she spent it on instead, so I’m guessing by the looks of her, vodka cruisers and makeup). A $3000 car at her age to get to work is hardly an extravagance on the bank’s part. Then she went to Cash Converters for more money!
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:34am
  - Batman
    
    Yeah there are clearly bigger issues around how she manages her money than just the bank’s lending practices!
    
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    July 16, 2019 12:14pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  That’s extremely youth-ist of you!
  (and no doubt sexist, racist and privilege-shaming of you as well)…
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:00am
- Doubledimp
  
  So, let’s extend the idea, and create a “license to borrow”. Sit an exam, show you understand financial concepts and can do basic math, before you are allowed to obtain credit. And yes, this should be common sense and taught by parents not schools, but obviously something is failing.
  
  My only hope is that the ideologically driven and intellectually feeble of the political left will find their access to credit blocked by this policy.
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:40am
- Deadly pony
  
  ‘Eighteen-year-old Logan Wilson says she should never have been given as much debt as she has been.’
  
  Um, you were given credit. You turned it into debt all by yourself.
  
  ‘Her bank, ASB, processed a $3100 loan for her on her 18th birthday, plus a credit card and overdraft that added another $1000 each to her debt total.’
  
  Again, these did not add to your debt total. Your own spending did. You are 100% responsible.
  
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  July 16, 2019 12:16pm
  - rouppe
    
    She wasn’t given anything. She applied for it.
    
    She literally asked for it
    
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    July 16, 2019 5:45pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      To be fair, banks are arseholes about this, what they do is give you a credit extension you have to say no to.
      
      On the other hand, spending the new credit, is entirely her fault!
      
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      July 16, 2019 7:28pm
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Absolute political genius from Trump over the weekend. With one tweet he has managed to simultaneously…

A) Bring Democrats together just when there were headlines about splits
B) Alienate every American of non-European descent
C) Handed a massive chunk of evidence to those who claim he is a racist white-supremist

I completely encourage Trump to post more tweets such as this. Such unifying, positive messages will bring all Americans together and guarantee his re-election.
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July 16, 2019 8:22am
- kevn
  
  @Than… Oh, so Trump got it wrong? No, he got it right.
  
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  July 16, 2019 8:33am
- Scott
  
  Than – a couple of points. The conventional wisdom was let them fight among themselves. But what Trump has done is force them to defend Ocasio Cortez and congresswoman Omar. Nancy pelosi and others are defending them and what they said.
  
  What the mainstream media won’t tell you is that the women are massively unpopular. Ocasio Cortez is not well liked and Omar is liked by 9% of the electorate.
  
  Trump is also saying sensible things. Omar hates America. Trump is calling her out on it. Good. He’s not afraid to take on an ungrateful Somalian who should be thankful to America. Most Americans like that.
  
  Trump is the anti pc. I love that and so do many Americans.
  
  Wouldn’t it be great in this country if we had politicians who would stand up against political correctness?!
  
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  July 16, 2019 8:37am
  - Than
    
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    Scott, an important distinction here – no, Pelosi has not been forced to defend what AOC, Omar, etc said. She hasn’t said anything about their past statements. She has said little if anything about them at all.
    
    She has been able to purely talk about Trump’s tweet, and unequivocally condemn it as blatantly racist.
    
    In this she has 100% support from all Democrats. Even some Republicans are slowly starting to show moral courage and publicly express their disapproval. Based on statements made as of Monday afternoon (US time) a resolution condemning the President’s tweet would easily pass in the house, and could perhaps even pass in the senate.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:19am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Except the tweets mention nothing about race. They don’t say ‘go home’.They are about patriotism.
      And by Pelosi sticking up for them the perception is that Pelosi IS defending the very person who actually called her a racist.
      Oh and Pelosi in the past has been critical of AOC. Even being snarky about how much support she has in the House
      
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      July 16, 2019 10:09am
      - Batman
        
        The underlying context of the tweets is race. It is the idea that anyone who looks different or who isn’t a cookie cut-out white politician, is somehow of a lesser standing than a white one. They’re all US citizens, you have to be in order to be elected to Congress. So they are American, even if Trump doesn’t like their views or their appearance.
        
        The underlying meaning is racial. That his supporters have developed a “this is genius because it aligns Pelosi with the four ‘socialists” argument is entirely besides the point. It’s racist.
        
        Also, that argument is a pretty shit one. Anyone who spends more than five seconds looking at recent Pelosi comments wouldn’t suddenly think she’s now on board with the four backbenchers.
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘The underlying context of the tweets is race.’
        
        No it’s not. That’s a dumb thing to say and you just showing bias.
        It’s about how the squad are constantly criticising parts of America yet they are in a position to do some good and they never do it.
        Look at the way none of them voted for the Bill to provide Funding for the care of illegal immigrants.
        Not one of them did, yet they criticised the mess.
        They denied it was a crisis and now they say it is.
        The Democrats could fix the illegal problem instantly by not allowing catch and release but immediate deportation.
        Then there is the way the squad make light of 911 (‘something happened’), pointedly fail to condemn Al Qaeda or Hezbollah, call everyone racist, call the Police and Border Guard ‘fascist nazis’, call the Detention Camps ‘concentration camps’.
        Heck the Antifa guy who just bombed the ICE facility said in his Manifesto he did it because it was a Concentration Camp.
        Echoing AOCs comments stirring it up.
        Yet they dont disavow him.
        Only a MORON would say Trump is racist. There’s plenty of evidence showing he isn’t.
        Try learning something because you’re coming across as an ignorant millennial with a chip on his shoulder.
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:39pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Batman, remember, if you think it is a “dogwhistle” and you hear it – you’re the dog.
        
        If think it is so racist, maybe it is your ideas that are obsessed with race and YOU are the racist.
        
        Just sayin…
        
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        July 16, 2019 4:48pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        That’s right, Ed, Batman is the racist. He sees a white politician criticising someone for their views and he immediately calls him a ‘racist’.
        
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        July 17, 2019 9:56am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Than, where you and the media etc. are going wrong is that you think Trump mistakenly unified Pelosi and the wayward 4. In fact it was deliberate, and makes the Democrats as a whole as being on the same wavelength as AOC and her colleagues, ie appearing as anti-American. Which will not help the Democrats heading towards January and the Primary season.
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:27am
      - Batman
        
        Anti-American, or just anti-shit policy that causes misery either by neglect, or intentionally?
        
        Having a different point of view on how a country should be governed is the point of politics. Otherwise every country would just be run by technocrats. It doesn’t make you Anti-American to say that something isn’t perfect and continue the ridiculous lie that “America is the greatest country in the world”
        
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        July 16, 2019 11:48am
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    He’s not afraid to take on an ungrateful Somalian
    
    She’s also an American who was been voted in by other Americans in a fair election to represent them in Congress. If they don’t like what she says, then they will vote her out.
    
    The other three women were born in the US. I, like many here, get annoyed by those who say I am less of a NZer because I can only trace my roots in this country back 120 odd years. I am appalled that Trump carries the same attitude towards people who have been elected to Congress by other Americans.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:21am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Did you actually read his tweet? Have you read or heard what the four of them have been saying?
      Surely he is allowed to criticise their comments.
      Oh, the rumour is AOC is going to get primaried next Nov when selection for her re Election comes up. Pelosi is sick of her. She’s hurting the Democrat Party’s chances with Independents.
      
      ‘because I can only trace my roots in this country back 120 odd years.’
      Newby! ?
      
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      July 16, 2019 10:26am
      - SGA
        
        Newby indeed in some people’s eyes.
        
        Surely he is allowed to criticise their comments.
        
        Sure, by all means “criticise their comments”. But this is more than that. I would feel much the same way if someone in an opposition party had called on John Key (when he was in parliament) to leave the country because they didn’t like his political views and he was the son of immigrants (one of them a Jew – shock horror). To me, he was born here, raised here, was a fairly elected MP, and was allowed as much of an opinion as anyone else.
        
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        July 16, 2019 10:55am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘to leave the country because they didn’t like his political views’
        
        True, but that’s not what he said.
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:01pm
      - Batman
        
        AoR that is exactly what he said. He said if they don’t like America they should go back to where they came from.
        
        In the case of AOC that would be back to Trump’s home borough of Queens! Haha
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:25pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @SGA @ 10:55AM
        
        Not to mention Jim Bolger. His parents emigrated from Ireland to New Zealand in 1930, and he was born here in 1935.
        
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        July 16, 2019 3:05pm
      - tf78
        
        Gosh I just realized that 120 years is only my parents and half my immigrant grand parents – I feel really old now.
        Anyway Trump did kindly invite them back to show how to fix all the problems they find so abhorrent in the USA .I love the way the press stop the narrative with the “go away” without reporting the rest.
        
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        July 16, 2019 6:09pm
    - Twinkletoes
      
      She is an American who was voted in by the 80,000 Somali refugees placed in Minnesota in one mass placement by Obama. And every last one of them would have ticked her box.
      
      And it is still unresolved whether she married her brother, or not, to gain admittance to the USA.
      
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      July 16, 2019 10:39am
      - Batman
        
        A couple of things…
        
        There are approximately 80,000 Somalian people in the entire state of Minnesota, rather than just the 5th congressional district.
        
        A Somali American also chairs the Republican Party’s Immigrant Relations Committee in Minnesota. So that’s at least one Somalian not voting for Omar (even if they were in her district to begin with).
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Somalis_in_Minneapolis%E2%80%93Saint_Paul
        
        Your claim about one mass placement by Obama is a complete lie, as evidenced by the above.
        
        I’m sure you’re not a racist but…… This doesn’t look good for you.
        
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        July 16, 2019 1:11pm
    - Scott
      
      SGA – it actually shows the importance of elections and citizenship. Congresswoman Omar was voted in by an electorate with a huge Somalian population who vote tribally. She does not appear to like or understand or wish to understand western civilization.
      
      She appears to be corrupt. Which let’s face the brutal facts, is the norm in “shit hole” countries like Somalia. She appears to have married her brother in a blatant immigration scam. She appears to have stayed married to another man, her actual husband and claimed joint tax deductions with him. While being legally married to her brother.
      
      Powerline Blog has been on this for months. But the mainstream media don’t like the story because she is a woman of colour and a Muslim. Congresswoman Omar is a strange creature in my opinion.
      
      https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/07/loose-threads-in-the-curious-case-7.php
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:16am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Twinkletoes/Scott
        Jesus cries every time you tell those lies.
        
        Omar represents a district of 700,000 people. Racists like you will be interested to know that 70% of those are white people (aka real Americans). It is estimated that there are about 40,000 Somalis in the Minneapolis-St Paul area.
        
        But, except for you racists, none of that even matters. She is an American citizen representing other Amercian citizens. She just happens to be a replacements hate figure for unreconstructed birthers (like Trump) who can never admit they were wrong about another prominent politcal figure of African descent.
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:29pm
      - Scott
        
        Mikey-no jesus loves me. But your numbers are contested if not flat out wrong.
        80,000 Somalians live in Minnesota. That’s an estimate and probably on the low side. There’s probably more. Great tribal voting bloc for Omar. Coloured people 36%,lots of millenials who are pretty liberal. Not had a republican in the district for many decades. Safe seat given to a woman of little distinction who hates her adopted country.
        Very bad advertisement for the Democrat’s. Those Americans who know her, only 9% like her.
        Trump is labeling her and AOC as the face of the Democrat party. And they don’t want that.
        
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        July 16, 2019 3:34pm
      - Inandout
        
        Omar can hate the US on one hand and support Al Qaeda on the other. She is more than strange, she is a quisling as she would have had to swear this oath.
        
        “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely,…’
        
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        July 16, 2019 3:36pm
      - Batman
        
        Still no evidence anywhere of her hating America or supporting Al Qaeda
        
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        July 16, 2019 3:39pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Well Batman, she flatly refuses to condemn Al Qaeda (and to condemn the fascist who attempted to set off an LPG tank at an ICE detention facility) – so that’s pretty close to supporting them.
        
        How much effort does it take to even say something like “I condemn Al Qaeda and it’s terrorist ways even though I understand where there dispute with the USA arises”
        
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        July 16, 2019 4:58pm
    - mark15
      
      She’s American when it suits her and Somalian when it doesn’t.
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:21am
      - Batman
        
        So? NZ is full of people who suddenly decide they’re very Irish come February…
        
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        July 16, 2019 1:14pm
      - Brian Marshall
        
        It’s March Batman, and then they are only Irish (except the actual Irish) for the day.
        
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        July 16, 2019 3:28pm
      - tf78
        
        Leopard – Spots ring a bell.
        
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        July 16, 2019 6:15pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Lol
  He’s made Pelosi defend AOC, who has actually called Pelosi a racist!
  A recent Poll of Independent voters (Pew) showed that whilst 74% knew who AOC was, only 22% supported her views.
  ‘Unifying’ around Politicians who aren’t actually liked by the group which will determine who wins the Election isn’t a winning strategy for the Democrats.
  So funny.
  
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  July 16, 2019 8:40am
  - kevn
    
    @All-on… The Demos’ I call ’em. The US version of our clown circus, full of odd strangeness.
    
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    July 16, 2019 8:42am
  - stephieboy
    
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    All on Red, are you aware that one of those countries that Trump slagged Puerto Rico is part of the US?
    
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381394234941448
    
    So funny!
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:57am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      Run and ruined by the Democrats…
      
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      July 16, 2019 10:18am
    - All_on_Red
      
      What obscure point is rattling round in that tiny mind of yours now?
      
      Puerto Rico is a Territory. Puerto Ricans can’t vote in the US House elections and it doesn’t have any Electoral College votes.
      But it is a corrupt shithole- run by Democrats of course
      Lol.
      
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      July 16, 2019 10:19am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The peole of Puerto Rico should be grateful that the toddler-in-chief condescended to visit that shithole to throw paper towels at people and tell lies?
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:31pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Mike, perhaps Trump’s comments that the Government of PR was dealing corruptly with the aid sent their way was based on some foreknowledge.
        
        Two senior members of the PR administration have been arrested for exactly that and it is said that more indictments are coming. It seems quite likely that the Governor was herself aware of the peculations.
        
        But then, that’s the Democrat way and after all, it’s OK when THEY do it, isn’t it ?
        
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        July 16, 2019 5:02pm
  - Ross12
    
    I presume this is the same poll AoR.
    
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-15/poll-swing-voters-recoil-over-aoc-and-other-left-wing-progressives
    
    It says it was done in May. These women have upped the negative rhetoric since then , so you would think the independents figures would be worse now.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:15am
    - Inandout
      
      Only a dentist could appreciate those two’s teeth.
      
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      July 16, 2019 9:54pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yup, he’s tying the rotting albatross of the hate america crew round the neck of the Democrat Party – and they are being forced to own it.
    
    Unconventional – sure
    Uncouth – certainly
    Effective? Well we shall see.
    
    But defending, AOC, Tlaib, Omar and the other one, well that is going to be interesting, because one thing is for sure – they haven’t made a secret of their Socialism, or their contempt for America.
    
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    July 16, 2019 11:19am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      …. And if I was going to be a bit malicious
      
      I would point out that he didn’t tell them to leave, he told them to go back to their shithole countries, fix them up, and then come back and show us how its done.
      
      Powerful rhetoric!
      
      Bwuhahaha!
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:20am
    - Batman
      
      When you say contempt for America, I think what you really mean is “the olden days and a white America where it was good for those people and far less beneficial for anyone else.”
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:21am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        thats right, those dreadful days of high incomes, home ownership and high employment.
        
        Just awful times!
        
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        July 16, 2019 11:38am
      - Batman
        
        Rose tinted glasses. Incomes were lower, taxes were higher, and the government had a far larger role in society.
        
        Not saying I agree with those things, but they happened. They were also all changed by the Reagan administration which supercharged the wall street but left a chunk of people behind.
        
        Also, I see you’ve dodged the point, which is that the arguments against these people are race based.
        
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        July 16, 2019 11:44am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        The only person who heard a racist dogwhistle was you, batman.
        
        Read the tweets.
        
        Not a thing about race.
        
        Do you really think Government was more intrusive in the 1960s than now? Really?
        
        Exactly the same rhetoric could and was used against whinging poms here in the 1970s and 80s.
        
        The message is that you shouldn’t go to someones house and then complain to your hosts about how they live, and demand they change to suit your preferences.
        
        Put simply FIFO!
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:07pm
      - Batman
        
        Given 3 of the four congresswomen were born in the US, that’s a bit rich. One is bloody native American so can justifiably claim to be more American than America itself! Lol.
        
        If I’m the only one who heard it, why has everyone from Theresa May to our own training-wheels PM condemned it?
        
        You guys really will say and believe anything in order to remain loyal to the idiot. It’s quite sad.
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:42pm
      - kloyd0306
        
        And yet, then and now, people do desperate things to live there.
        
        Such a horrid country (sic)…….
        
        I’m thinking that your contempt for America only began with the election of Donald the Great.
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:19pm
      - Batman
        
        See my other replies. I have no contempt for America at all. We could learn a lot from their attitude to work and success!
        
        That doesn’t mean they don’t have significant problems (expensive medicines, a silly healthcare system, too many guns in the hands of unstable people).
        
        However, I do have a problem with any President who thinks he is above the rule of law. That is truly anti-American and antithetical to the Constitution of that country.
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:34pm
      - rangitoto
        
        So why are so many wanting to go there? Millions of migrants want to live in Trump’s USA.
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:28pm
      - Batman
        
        Because it is less shit than other places. That’s pretty obvious
        
        I think most here would say that NZ can and should be improved, in a multitude of different ways as well. However, I don’t expect any of them to tell others to move back to England or anywhere else, just because they want to change something….. Unless they’re advocating for a socialist revolution, in which case they can kindly apply for a Venezuelan work visa ?
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:31pm
      - SGA
        
        Millions of migrants want to live in Trump’s USA.
        
        Millions of migrants want to live in “anyone name will do”‘s USA.
        And have done so decades, well before Trump was even born – his ancestors among them.
        And that’s a reflection of how desperate some parts of the world are to live in, and the opportunities that the USA afford.
        
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        July 16, 2019 1:04pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Batman, that’s surely is simply your racism showing. Dog meet whistle.
        
        And having a President who thinks he’s above the law – don’t worry, the electorate fixed that in 2016 and tossed that prick’s chosen successor aside.
        
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        July 16, 2019 5:03pm
- Scott
  
  Trump is actually trolling the Democrats. They are now all for open borders and free health care for illegals. That is not a winning issue for 2020.
  Democrats hate trump so much they forget that Americans don’t want open borders.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:24am
  - igm
    
    They are definitely on the same page as NZ’s unelected CoL and their incompetent leader.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:41am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      igm, “unelected ” ??
      
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      July 16, 2019 9:57am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Yes, unelected. (Chosen by the venal Peters in preference to the party that got the most votes).
        
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        July 16, 2019 10:43am
- Ross12
  
  Than
  I encourage you to listen to Leighton Smith’s latest podcast (ie. last weeks one). He reads out quite a lot from an article by Evan Sayet which explains quite clearly how President Trump operates ( in Sayet’s view) and why he wins. Basically in many cases , like the one you have written about, he plays the left at their own game.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:25am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  First read the full tweet before posting. Just don’t go by the headlines alone.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:26am
- kloyd0306
  
  Congratulations on surrendering your own opinions to what the leftist press says and believes.
  
  Trump has outsmarted you and your leftist dimwits yet again.
  
  AOC accuses Pelosi of being racist yet Pelosi will be forced to defend her, because of Trump.
  
  Totally and utterly brilliant (by Trump, not you and your leftist dimwits).
  
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  July 16, 2019 11:09am
  - Batman
    
    What, defending her status as actually being American and an elected congresswoman?
    
    That’s different to having the same policy position, which clearly they do not.
    
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    July 16, 2019 1:18pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      Why am I not at all surprised that I have to explain this to someone who suffers from TDS……
      
      AOC accused Pelosi of being racist. Silence from Pelosi. Trump gives AOC a deserved broadside.
      
      The brilliance of Trump is that he made silent Pelosi look like the hypocrite she is.
      
      He knows that Pelosi is not a racist yet she is too gutless to put AOC in her place and it took Trump to do it for her.
      
      Given the mental state of leftists, you probably still don’t get it.
      
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      July 16, 2019 3:26pm
- David George
  
  The majority of American people view the so called Justice Democrats as mad as a bag of hammers. Pelosi is well aware of this, the biggest impediment to the election of a democrat president and majority. She has been actively trying to distance her “not quite so crazy” faction from the completely crazy, open borders, free stuff for anyone, free abortions for trans women (men) and overt hatred of the country faction. They even accused Pelosi of being a racist for giving them too much work!
  This is a master stroke from Trump. Pelosi needs an observable separation from the widely reviled nutters, now she’s defending them. And most Americans agree with Trump, they’re not happy with the anti American ranting.
  Open borders, full citizenship rights, medical care, education and welfare for the 6.5 thousand million undocumented Americans worldwide. Of course the American people will think that’s a great idea.
  Trump 2020!
  
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  July 16, 2019 1:31pm
Paulus

I am saddened to hear that Ardern was traumatised whilst watching the Cricket.
Hope she can get over it and do some constructive work as opposed to destructive which is being wrought at present.
Picture of Robertson at Lords appears to show him as a very lonely person in a corner.
Suppose it is because it is said he paid his own fare – but as so called Minister of Sport there would have been no objection to his fares being paid.
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July 16, 2019 8:26am
- Raphael
  
  I had to chuckle over the Herald posting an article from a psychologist about how to deal with the grief and trauma we fans felt over the loss. (not talking about the players)
  
  I am one of the biggest Blackcaps fans. And yes I am very disappointed over the loss.
  
  But c’mon playing the game means winning and loosing. And being a fan mean sometimes your team wins, sometimes they lose but you don’t need trauma counselling for it.
  
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  July 16, 2019 8:50am
  - srylands
    
    Yes exactly. If New Zealand had been thrashed in the final, it would have been a bit sad. As it happened there is nothing to be devastated about. They did great. That’s why I am sceptical when the Prime Minister says she is feeling “gutted”. In fact I simply don’t believe it.
    
    Your loved dog dies. Counselling.
    
    Your wife walks out. Maybe counselling.
    
    New Zealand loses close cricket tournament. No counselling.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:05am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Your loved dog dies. Counseling.
      Definitely
      
      Your wife walks out. Maybe counseling.
      If she took the dog…definitely
      
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      July 16, 2019 9:49am
      - Wangas Feral
        
        What kind of sick woman would take the dead dog?
        
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        July 16, 2019 10:09am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        She might have taken the box with the ashes in it…
        
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        July 16, 2019 10:16am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        My Wife left me, took my truck and my dog!
        
        man. I miss that dog!
        
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        July 16, 2019 11:21am
      - GoVege
        
        My beautiful golden retriever passed away 2 years ago at 16.
        I really want to get another one but I know my hubby will make it sleep outside….like some kind of an animal.
        
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        July 16, 2019 11:31am
      - srylands
        
        My wife took the dog a year ago. I now only miss the dog. Seriously.
        
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        July 16, 2019 1:27pm
  - Bell-47
    
    Todays world is all about making sure nobody has hurty feelings, winning is wrong and being wealthy is racist unless you give some of it away.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:08am
    - GoVege
      
      Nothing wrong with sharing the wealth around, Bell-47, especially if its only some.
      Saw someone begging today, while smoking.
      Does he really expect others to pay for him to get lung cancer?
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:56am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The game was defined by the rules. Two excellent teams, well matched but separated by a performance review in the final super over.
    Boundary strokes represent audience satisfaction so the rule is reasonable.
    
    As for the PM feeling “gutted” perhaps that’s proper for former fishnchip shop staff.
    
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    July 16, 2019 1:01pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    I am good on that sort of stuff, not beating Dennis Connor in 1987, losing the AC in 2003, not winning in 2007 & 2011. and the disaster of 2013, which i have only just recovered from.
    It means I can look at yesterday dispassionately and say yes band luck boys but that is the rub of the green…
    
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    July 16, 2019 2:08pm
- igm
  
  When is Ardern going to tell us, her employers, why Sroubek had her personal number on his phone?
  When are we going to hear the full story with suppression orders dropped, on who is offender, and what happened at Labour education camp?
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:01am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Same time as Winston will apologise for Super fiasco.
    Trial starts next Monday, most probably get great odds that it won’t.
    
    [Deleted for potentially breaching suppression orders. You’ll be suspended if you keep doing this]
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:51am
    - freethinker
      
      The reply I got from the District court is that the case is set for 2/9 in the Auckland District Court.
      
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      July 16, 2019 4:27pm
  - Inandout
    
    igm I am sure National hid some things but not on the mega scale this lot does. Then again how far did Sroubek’s influence reach because I have a sneaky feeling he had customers everywhere. The ‘rich and famous’ who infest inner city cafes and bars would be filling their pants if the Police did a surprise drugs raid.
    
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    July 16, 2019 11:02am
  - calendar girl
    
    “When are we going to hear the full story with suppression orders dropped, on who is offender, and what happened at Labour education camp?”
    
    igm, the relevant Jury trial is due to commence on 2 September 2019, in Auckland, of the alleged sexual assault accused (a male) at the Easter 2018 Labour Youth Camp.
    
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    July 16, 2019 11:15am
    - freethinker
      
      And will the supply of Alcohol to underage drinkers also be raised???????
      
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      July 16, 2019 4:28pm
    - namron
      
      That Camp was Feb 2018.
      Was the conveniently delayed trial [for 19 months] so that -HOPEFULLY, – we all might have forgotten all about it by now?
      There have been frequent mentions of the Trial since then – and I am sure that many of us have watched all of their efforts to have the it obscured and not remembered!
      BIG notice to the Labour Party!!
      NO, we haven’t – and in my case I have quite a collection of reports – newspaper and online – and will be paying close attention to every word of all reports of the trial – [as I expect many others of you will also be doing!]
      I Wood be interested to see the way various involved Govt members handle it!!
      
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      July 16, 2019 6:04pm
  - Batman
    
    Igm, there are a couple of OIA requests sitting with the PM at the moment, via the FYI website. She has extended them which means she has to supply some sort of material.
    
    So buckle up!
    
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    July 16, 2019 2:04pm
  - tf78
    
    It seems Jacinda is the only one with a short memory.
    
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    July 16, 2019 6:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear,
  I seem to be lacking in empathy…
  I am not traumatized by a loss in a game of cricket.
  In fact, I don’t give a stuff.
  Does the PM really consider losing a game of cricket to be as significant as witnessing a violent death or surviving a natural disaster?
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:08am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, Maggy.
    
    I’m a competitive b*gger and always have been but I have always appreciated that, in sport, eventually you end up with a winner and a loser. If you’re in a team sport, its a winner and many losers…
    
    And then, the next day, a new sport begins.
    
    All this ‘Oh, I so gutted, so traumatised, to lose’ cr*p bores me…
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:33am
  - igm
    
    She is a charlatan, so anyone who listens to, or believes, needs help.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:43am
    - stephieboy
      
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      igm, charlatan? Irony alert!
      
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      July 16, 2019 10:03am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      You can always spot the sociopaths – inappropriate faked emotion.
      
      Exhibit A:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeZQ5VROfBE
      
      Pretending to be viscerally upset about a cricket game, hmmm! I wouldn’t have thought that rated much more than a sad tilty head myself.
      
      Guess Cindy will be donning a Box in sympathy?
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:25am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand that there will be no ticker tape public reception for the cricketers as they will be in diverse places.
    But no opportunity for Ardern to wear an all black headscarf at the grand reception.
    What a shame.
    
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    July 16, 2019 1:31pm
- All_on_Red
  
  There’s an article going round saying that the Umpire made a scoring mistake which meant NZ won by one run.
  Apparently when the overthrow from Guptil bounced off Stokes bat and ran to the boundary six runs were awarded.
  So we know that when the batsman cross in the middle that then a run can be counted.
  But there’s a rule which indicates in the case of the overthrow that you look at where the batsmen were when the throw was actually made.
  In this case, when Guptil threw they hadn’t crossed, so only five runs should have been awarded. Which means we won by one run.
  The resident Cricket tragics might be able to confirm this.
  Never mind. Really really exciting game to watch. In fact the whole Tournament has been brilliant.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:30am
  - Raphael
    
    The thing is if we’re going to play “what if”
    Well if they hadn’t crossed then Rashid would have been on strike.
    Whose to say he wouldn’t have gone for broke and smacked a 6?
    
    While I think the umpires probably did get it wrong, overall they did an amazing job and it was a brilliant game.
    
    I do think that the ICC should have allowed a draw as a result after the super overs rather than going to boundaries
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:14am
    - MCos
      
      They hadn’t crossed when he threw the ball pertains to the overthrow.
      The second run was completed so the daremen stayed where they where.
      
      As for the trauma.
      If this, yet another piece of unfairness at the hands of officialdom causes you untold distress, where have you been for the last one hundred years?
      
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      July 16, 2019 10:45am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Technically speaking, that is correct. However in order for a change to be made, it would have to happen before the next ball was bowled.
    
    It was probably a mistake, but let’s not get hooked up about it. What we witnessed yesterday was possibly the best game of cricket ever played, and proof again that ODI’s don’t need 350-plus scores on absolutely flat pitches to be exciting.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:19am
  - Ford Prefect
    
    And the first ball bowled by Archer clearly wasnt outside the indicative wide line. So that run should be removed from the NZ total, as well as the extra ball removed.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:24am
    - Martin Williams
      
      It’s a shame for England. Their first CWC win comes with an asterisk.
      
      Had to have the umpires help them across the line.
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:07am
      - Happychappy
        
        For fucks sake that’s sport and it happens multiple time a year in all sport and our All Black teams have had their share over the years. Umpires and Referees are only human after all.
        
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        July 16, 2019 1:58pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  New Zealand in fact won the match, umpires stuffed up count when ball went off the bashers bat for 4. They had actually crossed, awarded 6 should have been 5, didn’t need a super over, NZ had won as last Pom out at end of innings.
  So in fact kiwis won by one run with wickets in the bank.
  This stupid media driven super over needs to be dumped, why decide a win on how many boundaries, surely wickets lost at end of innings.
  I thought it was best game of cricket I have ever watched, New Zealand Vs the world and NZ won.
  How the fuck can you get traumatised over a game of cricket, I was elated, excited, glued to TV, did a lot of yelling, but not traumatised.
  Really ironic, stokes spends first 12 years of his life in NZ, Captain is Irish and refuses to sing national anthem, bowler for super over was completely unknown until last years big bash in Aussie, great bowler from the Caribbean, all of a sudden he has a half third cousin and he is English.
  Duel citizenship in sport and politics is complete bullshit, shouldn’t happen.
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:31am
G152

The Trump derangement nuttiness is strong in that one..
It should be worried about our Peters selection of nutters
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July 16, 2019 8:27am
labrator

It’s pretty sad dropping back into see what has happened to KiwiBlog.
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July 16, 2019 8:36am
- srylands
  
  What has happened to it?
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:34am
  - labrator
    
    15 January, 473 comments
    22 January, 380 comments
    16 February, 492 comments
    13 February, 528 comments
    26th April, 226 comments
    2nd July, 195 comments
    14 July, 145 comments
    
    General debate used to hit 200 comments by 9am. Now it sometimes struggles to hit it.
    
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    July 16, 2019 1:07pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You should comment more, then.
      From my view, there are two main reasons for people stoppng commenting:
      1. No longer allowed to indulge impulses to write vile comments. This is usually called something like “free speech is being censored”!
      2. Not prepared to link to a valid identity to enable non-moderated commenting. This is usually called “the moderation is slowing everthing down”!
      
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      July 16, 2019 1:57pm
      - labrator
        
        You should comment more, then.
        
        That’s like reading a review of an unfunny comedy show and then telling the reviewer that they should laugh more.
        
        You’re almost right on point 2. The velocity of comments is a killer and was part of the value that debating here had. If I wanted pen pals, I’d buy a fountain pen.
        
        KiwiBlog was two products. DPF’s insight and commentary and then the community that was built up around that. The second lot was sacrificed at great haste for very little gain. It’s the sort of policy DPF would criticise Ardern for. I’m sure Labour would get in behind KiwiComment™ that requires all online commentary to be moderated before publication. It’s a sign of the times. The perpetually offended slowly killing off debate they don’t like.
        
        Fomenting happy mischief? Fomenting acceptable mischief more like.
        
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        July 16, 2019 8:17pm
    - Batman
      
      Hardly a devastating blow. There was an awful lot of shit posted by people who’ve now left out been banned/suspended.
      
      GD is now actually readable without the same people having the same dumb fights over climate change etc.
      
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      July 16, 2019 2:09pm
    - freethinker
      
      There have certainly been defections to YSB but some of those continue to comment on KB so perhaps the loss of commenter’s is small but dividing their comments across two blogs leavers KB with fewer comments and may the poorer for it . When censorship of any kind is imposed (UK Daily’s are examples) initially people try a work around by commenting off topic on topics that can be commented on and also using different words or spelling which fool the auto censor, then they use different language knowing that the message is still understood by most. When there is no ability to comment Politicians/Public Bodies/Police and others become less informed and then get caught or surprised when an unexpected event occurs and they run around like headless chooks – this were many Western countries are going and following others – Zimbabwe/Venezuela and now S Africa and will surprised that a different result does not follow thus confirming Einsteins definition of insanity.
      
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      July 16, 2019 4:40pm
hullkiwi

I know this subject was posted about yesterday, but this particular story is not news, but rather propaganda being broadcast on a state owned media platform.

I am referring to Tamati and his partner Tim and their surrogate son. Not content with a segment on the Sunday programme, they get prime time on a Monday on Seven Sharp. Yes, Tamati was a one time employee of TVNZ and is now an MP, but I like the majority of NZers do not need his lifestyle choice being beamed into our family living room when I turn on the box (I know I can change channels, which we did when we realised what the item was). TVNZ may be state owned, but it is not meant to be a vehicle for propaganda. The bit we switched on to was about the couple looking to lobby for law change about adoption and to make it easier for people like them.

Sorry but the laws regarding adoption are are there to protect the interests of the biological mother and the child. Now because of an inconvenience to gay men who engage a women as a surrogate mother, the law is an inconvenience.

Once again we are witnessing calls for changes to the law because it doesn’t fit with the policy agenda of a minority of our society. Laws about adoption are not there for the convenience of want to be parents, they are there to protect the child!
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July 16, 2019 8:39am
- kevn
  
  @Hull… Apparently coffey and his pal are keen to go for another if they manage to cope with one.
  
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  July 16, 2019 8:45am
- Raphael
  
  I feel sorry for Tamati’s new son. Imagine having to grow up in a household where your father is a Labour MP.
  
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  July 16, 2019 8:51am
  - Tarquin North
    
    It can only get worse, with a bit of luck he’ll be growing up in a household run by an unemployed ex Labour M.P after the next election.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:20am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s not just an inconvenience to gay men. It affects any couple who want children and can’t have them. If the adoptive parents and the surrogate have reached an agreement, the government should not interfere.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:00am
  - igm
    
    If these two can adopt a kid, then once again, CoL have thrown all commonsense and decency out the window.
    I think it disgusting.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:03am
    - srylands
      
      I’m fairly sure they could have adopted under the last government.
      
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      July 16, 2019 9:22am
      - Batman
        
        Correct, igm is just an old prude on this topic ?
        
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        July 16, 2019 2:11pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      I think if you were to compare a gay couple wanting to adopt with a great many of the heterosexual dropkicks that breed kids, you would choose to be raised by the gay couple. It might not be ideal to be raised by two fathers, but let’s put our efforts into sorting the serious child abuse we do have in this country.
      
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      July 16, 2019 9:51am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      I think we should just leave it alone. Nigel K is right.
      
      This is none of our damn business.
      
      Coffy should however be excoriated for touting his family through the media – children aren’t props!
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:27am
  - The only red for me is that of Manchester United
    
    Serious question. If a single, unattached, heterosexual, disabled (for arguments sake Dwarfism) female wanted to become a mother but not through sexual intercourse. Would she be allowed to have a sperm donor or be able to have a surrogate birth mother? Would she not be allowed to use a registered sperm bank as there is a possibility her disability could be passed onto a child if she uses IV? Would her raising a child on her own and being disabled be reason enough to not allow her a child. Would her human rights be denied to her?
    
    I find it interesting that the IVF programmes are now becoming quite the norm for gay couples wanting to have a family, yet would those human rights be extended to others who are also diverse? Because of IVF there are now only around 20 adoptions per year in New Zealand as I heard on the radio on Sunday.
    
    Not a homophobic post.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:08am
    - srylands
      
      I don’t know the answers to your questions. But I don’t think they are very important. I’m more worried about the welfare of many tens of thousands of children conceived naturally in feral families.
      
      To be honest, if a disabled lesbian desperately wants a baby, that child is going to have a much better chance than a child of a feral family of criminals and drunks.
      
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      July 16, 2019 9:30am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Absolutely. Value is subjective and based on scarcity. Children are no different.
        
        A child going to a home with two parents who had to give up a lot of time and money in order to be able to have that child, will be highly valued and treated accordingly.
        
        When a child goes to a home with one parent who not only gave up nothing to have the child, but in fact is entitled to a weekly cash reward just for producing the child, that child will not be valued highly and will also be treated accordingly.
        
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        July 16, 2019 9:55am
- Bell-47
  
  Well said and I totally agree. Am getting heartily sick and tired of this BS pandering to the rainbow brigade. I’m more interested in what Tamati is doing about the motels in his electorate housing more homeless than tourists?
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:04am
  - Inandout
    
    We drive through Rotorua now and stay at other towns.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:12am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  You can always switch off the TV like I did.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner just about spat his Grange all over the table when that showed up on Seven Sharp last night. Thank goodness we’d finished dinner. I was actually disappoited Jeremy Wells wasnt there to present it. That guy they had standing in for him really creeped me out for some reason 🙁
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:38am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    That would have been a major emotional moment, nearly wasted a glass of Grange!
    
    Most important question of the day though: beef or venison?
    
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    July 16, 2019 11:29am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Duck, silly!
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:50am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Ah, excellent!
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:08pm
- Billy Collins
  
  The worst part of the whole thing, I think, was that they were making it all about themselves, as the LGBT community does with everything.
  
  When it comes to surrogacy and adoption, it isn’t about the parents. It is about the child and what is best for them.
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:15am
  - Batman
    
    So two people who desperately want a child to love and to raise, despite a hugely complex and difficult legal process, don’t count?
    
    How about two druggies who happen to be male and female? Are they better??
    
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    July 16, 2019 2:15pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Or how about two dysfunctional adults that want to have an appendage to their “family” so they can “push” their agenda to the world with media collusion?
      
      And I’m still not certain why you put druggies and gays into the same sentence.
      
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      July 16, 2019 5:31pm
    - Billy Collins
      
      Since when does being desperate for a child make you a suitable parent? They were outraged that they had to prove they would be suitable parents. As I said, they made it all about them. That is not what being a parent is about.
      
      Considering the shockingly bad statistics on kids raised by same sex parents, from the suicide rate to obesity to even child abuse, you best believe it doesnt matter what the parents want when it comes to adoption or surrogacy. You need to be trusted with a child.
      
      Also, if you endorse same-sex parenting, tell me, which one is disposable: the mother or the father?
      
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      July 16, 2019 9:42pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Laws about adoption are not there for the convenience of want to be parents, they are there to protect the child!’
  
  Once upon a time laws may have been about protecting the child.
  
  Now the law is skewed to protect the interests of gender/identity groupings .
  
  Think about it .
  
  Feminism means abortion , it also means men don’t get a look in for custody.
  Race means children will be kept in “whanau” rather than the what might be safest option.
  The ancient concept of marriage between male and female has been administratively overturned
  
  Etc
  
  Oh and this is all “progressive” , yeah right.
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:27am
Nukuleka

Remember when poms would come to NZ in the 60s and 70s and start moaning about the things they didn’t like and how they were called whinging poms and told to go back where they came from if they didn’t like it? I don’t recall kiwis being called ‘racist’ for simply telling the truth back then.

Trump says pretty much the same thing about immigrant America haters such as Ilhan Omar and the sky caves in.
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July 16, 2019 8:45am
- SGA
  
  On the other hand, plenty here get upset when Maori radicals express the same views (can’t say I like it much either).
  
  Most of those women are Americans in the same way John Key (as an obvious example) is a NZer.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:27am
  - atomic drop
    
    I can sympathize with Maoris telling us whites to go back. Of course if we do go back, NZ becomes The Peoples Republic off Aotearoa and will resemble the corrupt , tribal violence afflicted , impoverished, foreign aid dependent polynesian countries of the Pacific.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:21am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      What did the civilized world ever do for us, Reg?
      
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      July 16, 2019 10:45am
      - Batman
        
        Quite so.
        
        Plumbing? Bah!
        
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        July 16, 2019 2:25pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I doubt the left’s hatred of traditional American values has much to do with whether they were immigrants. Both AOC and Trump had grandfathers who came to the US because their own country was a shithole at the time. So they have that in common.
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:02am
  - kevn
    
    @Nige… It seems to me, that it is mostly the Demo women of migrant background who are spouting madly.
    Would that be due to a pent up, many past generations of women not able to speak freely?
    Like a genetic release response to newly found free speech?
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:35am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Those are the people the media are choosing to focus on, and when a bill is put forward, those are the people whose name is attached to it. But the overall agenda is being driven by the Democratic leadership who are mostly old, white people (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:04am
- MCos
  
  I can remember what you’re talking about.
  Even people who didn’t complain were labeled whingers.
  I have a niece who’s married to a Brit. I visited them a few years ago in Grantham. Since then they’ve moved to Ch’ch & their kids have lost their English accents and now don’t have one, like the rest of us.
  Her husband has an equivalent job, but there’s a problem. He gets shit because he’s English.
  Then to make matters worse on 15-March one of mates at work, and his daughter, were killed at one of the mosques.
  This was all too much and he took a week off work, but there’s a lot of ongoing concern in our family for his wellbeing.
  My mother was English. She was disappointed when she came out here after Dad had talked the place up. People are expected to jump off the plane and say how marvellous it all is.
  Well, it ain’t necessarily so.
  Just didn’t say so or you’re a whinger
  England is different to NZ. Christchurch is different to Auckland. People from down there go on to me about Jaffas.
  
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  July 16, 2019 11:47am
  - hullkiwi
    
    MCos, I could be facetious and ask/comment, “you visited Grantham, why?” (I know you went for family). But honestly, Grantham, renowned for the remnants if Sherwood Forest and the Grocery Store from which Margaret Thatcher was launched on the world.
    
    Grantham is one of those towns on the East Coast Mainline from if you are given the choice you move…..and there are a few more towns besides….
    
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    July 16, 2019 12:27pm
Maggie Pie

Somalian boy asks his dad
whats this hat that we wear
“chechia” it protects our head from the sun
what’s this clothing that we are wearing
Its “djbellah” it protects your body
what are these shoes
They’re “babouches”, which keep us from burning our feet
Dad
Yes
Why do we live in Mt Roskill
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July 16, 2019 8:46am
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggie Pie, another inept attempt at feeble comedy?
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Morning steph!
    
    Which is the HARDEST thing for you to say?
    1. I love you
    2. I was wrong, I’m sorry
    3. I need help
    4. Worcestershire Sauce
    5. I appreciate you
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:29am
  - artemisia
    
    Kiwiblog would be a much poorer place without Maggie Pie.
    
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    July 16, 2019 1:31pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, who else would look up all those old jokes from the internet and recycle them?
      
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      July 16, 2019 2:46pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Now that’s catty Mike !
        
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        July 16, 2019 5:13pm
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114258429/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-set-to-meet-australian-prime-minister-scott-morrison-in-melbourne

I was hoping that this story would tell me something about the objectives of this meeting between the two Prime Ministers. What is on the agenda? It seems that there is nothing. Oh but the 757s have broken down again so it could be tricky to actually get the PM there from Rarotonga.
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July 16, 2019 8:56am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Tooth Fairy will use that excuse to buy Jacinda Force 1.
  
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  July 16, 2019 9:29am
  - sooty
    
    She’s home. Was seen in the coromandal.
    Did the airforce go and get her on another trip?
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:56am
  - srylands
    
    The 757s are 25 years old. They are expensive to run, fuel inefficient and will break down.
    
    They were nine years old when bought and converted to military use in 2003. As they age the cost of maintenance will ramp up. Buying old planes is false economy. In commercial aviation that is the preserve of airlines with little capital. Think Air Central African Republic. Would the Australian Air Force get second hand planes? No.
    
    I am no aviation expert, but the lunacy of the RNZAF ‘fleet’ is pretty obvious.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:23am
    - Batman
      
      You’re perfectly correct there Srylands, but the important thing here is that ours can fly higher and faster than ScoMo’s 737! ??
      
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      July 16, 2019 2:33pm
- Paulus
  
  But which one of the ex Canadian crap 757’s has Peters gone to the USA in ?
  One might be capable!
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:57am
  - srylands
    
    He wouldn’t fly to the USA in a 757 unless there was no other option.
    
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    July 16, 2019 11:55am
  - srylands
    
    They were not Canadian. The 757s were in service in a Netherlands airline. Air Transavia. They were used commercially from 1993 before being acquired by the RNZAF in 2003. They were then sent to America where they were extensively modified before entering service with the Air Force.
    
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    July 16, 2019 12:08pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Two very easy options
  Take one of the four 350’s.
  Most sensible option would fly commercial to Australia and if 757 is airworthy backload it home.
  Let the press make their own way.
  These 757 are old gas guzzlers and it will be interesting to see what they replace them with.
  I have just asked an OIA, identical wording to one asked on John Key and his VIP flights, just changed dates and name. So hopefully same layout for answers for comparison.
  Should get an answer in a month, that’s what time defence took last time.
  Link to question and answer on Key.
  https://fyi.org.nz/request/6183-vip-flights
  
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  July 16, 2019 11:07am
- Hard Cheese
  
  These two faced idiots are banging on about climate change emergencies, yet they don’t have any problem traipsing all over the world in an underloaded, inefficient, expensive Air Force 757. Running a small handful of people up to Nauru and Rarotonga is ridiculous. Why the F don’t they fly commercial?
  
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  July 16, 2019 5:08pm
  - srylands
    
    It’s scheduling. Not enough flights to Nauru.
    
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    July 16, 2019 5:58pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Pfft..every second day you can connect via Brisbane, Nadi or Honiara, same with the return leg. All it requires is a bit of forethought and planning – obviously can’t credit JA with that though. And you can’t tell me there aren’t enough flights to Raro or wherever Winston is off to.
      
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      July 16, 2019 6:47pm
slightlyrighty

I see the drums are beating again for military bases to be moved. The loudest drums are for Whenuapai and Devonport Naval Base.

Again, the politicians and those agitating for this change are simply not thinking this through. Take the Naval Base for example. There is talk of moving this to Whangarei, which would be a spectacularly bad idea. Firstly, the DNB is the largest employer on the North Shore, with about 2500 uniformed and civilian employees. With their families, we would be talking up to 10000 people who have invested their lives in their communities.

Does Whangarei have the available spare housing to accomodate that many people? Can it’s infrastructure cope? Are there enough schools? Is there enough capacity to develop said housing and infrastructure?

Take a look at Kiwibuild. I think we all know that the answer to that is no.

Not to mention the cost of building the new infrastructure of a whole military base, with operational and training facilities, and the replacement munitions base for Kauri Point.

Shane Jones’s 3 billion n make a dent in that.
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July 16, 2019 9:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The drums are beating about Whenuapai because a property developer can’t sell houses adjacent to the Air Force base because of noise.
  
  Dear Mr Developer – planes make noise, and maybe you should have thought of that before you bought and developed the land. The old law of caveat emptor applies (Let the buyer beware), so cut your losses and move on, instead of lumping the long-suffering taxpayer with another layer of expense.
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:24am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I know someone who will be glad to buy the said houses. He just needs to drop a line to Hon Megan Woods, Minister of Kiwifail, Parliament Buildings, Wellington.
    
    I am sure she’ll be able to help him out….
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:53am
  - alex Masterley
    
    One of the big things in the Whenuapai area is the Airforce Base. It is a bit difficult to overlook especially when aircraft are moving about.
    I cannot believe the “developer” failed to notice it’s existence.’Idiot.
    
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    July 16, 2019 2:35pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Moving DNB makes no sense, what are they going to do with the land? You can’t build affordable housing on the waterfront. I suspect hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars will be spent moving it, only to find out iwi have first right of refusal to the land and it ends up being sold to them at way under market value…..
  
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  July 16, 2019 5:58pm
BeaB

When is someone going to tell us how many of the state houses Ardern was skiting about this morning were planned and approved under National?
Will she tell us how many she can take credit for?
Will she give National the credit for their state house building programme or claim it for herself?
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July 16, 2019 9:15am
- Batman
  
  HNZ would have to tell you that if you define it as “before 1 October 2017”
  
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  July 16, 2019 2:35pm
peterwn

Speaking with a guy whose parents run a couple of motels. They are full up with WINZ referrals. I said where do the tourists go? To Air B&B’s which used to be rentals. A swapping of roles!
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July 16, 2019 9:17am
Maggie Pie

My partners mum emals:
“Are Chinese people racist? Or do they really have a wicked sense of humor”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY

LOL!!
[caution – some may find offensive]
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July 16, 2019 9:28am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  She will be disappointed; it has shrunk in the wash.
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:05am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  That advertisement is brilliant!
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:27am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Chinese can make a hash of advertising and translation. English Signs are endless comedy of errors.
  Years ago I bought a bottle of red wine for wine fanatic boss at Captains Choice.
  The Translation had gone South, it was supposed to be a red dry wine, it ended up a Ted Dry Wine.
  He told as I suspected, it tasted like Ted and he poured it down the sink.
  On a more positive note, Darkie toothpaste with the black minstrel on the front, still has Minstrel, but is now called Darlie toothpaste.
  
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  July 16, 2019 11:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
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    July 16, 2019 12:47pm
lofty

Did anyone else listen to ZB this morning as Mike asked the PM about whether she was worried about the falling log prices?
I did, and she did not have a clue, over what he was talking about or asking.
One of our largest exports and falling prices and she had no idea at all, still to cut her a break, she has been getting a suntan.
I don’t know how to post a link but her nervous little laugh and answer spoke volumes to me.
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July 16, 2019 9:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The crash in log price has been covered in a number of places this last week.
  I’m 17500km away from NZ… But I still have an idea as to what is going on in the country.
  Doesn’t Ardern have advisors to tell her hw the economy is performing?
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:10am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    There are hundreds of tonnes of New Zealand timber, unsawn, sitting on wharves in China. China is getting deluged with cheap timber from Russia and Scandanavia, and no one wants to touch the more expensive Kiwi timber.
    
    Despite this, Shane Jones is spalshing about millions of dollars turning productive farm land into forests. Has anyone asked “why”?
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:27am
    - srylands
      
      Because forests are good for climate change and unlike cows don’t pollute the environment. They will increase wellbeing.
      
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      July 16, 2019 10:32am
    - Martin Williams
      
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      Did you ask the same when dairy prices dropped?
      
      I’m pretty sure the diversification will benefit NZ in the long run because once Chine figures out how to do dairy they won’t want our anymore.
      
      Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
      
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      July 16, 2019 10:41am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Dairy prices go up and down all the time Martin. But the world continues to take our produce, even at a lower price. With the logs, they are just going to sit on Chinese wharves and gradually lose their market value.
        
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        July 16, 2019 10:45am
      - Martin Williams
        
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        I’m no economist but I would have thought a diverse Primary sector is better than supercharging dairy at the expense of forests.
        
        I’m glad this government stepped in before it was too late.
        
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        July 16, 2019 11:12am
      - kevn
        
        @marty… The Chinese have been buying our best dairy stock for many years.
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:08pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Not so sure it’s smart turning productive farm land into forestry.
        The decrease in farmed usage also means less people permanently living in rural communities- which can badly affect whether those communities are of a sustainable size (think schools and healthcare etc)
        The fact is the Planet has greened considerably in the last 20 years anyway so it’s a bit pointless.
        You know trees exude Methane too eh?
        
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        July 16, 2019 12:25pm
      - srylands
        
        “im glad this government stepped in before it was too late.”
        
        Can you please recap for me on how they have “stepped in” and exactly what the objective is? And how will success be measured?
        
        This is not new. Jim Anderton created “economic transformation” in 2000 to “diversify” the economy. Do you have any idea what Jim achieved? “Economic Transformation” was the talk of the town until about 2006. It soaked up hundreds of millions of dollars. Then it was not mentioned. Ever again.
        
        Do you think that Governments should learn from history?
        
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        July 16, 2019 1:33pm
      - Swifty
        
        Well, there’s a couple of things we now know for certain, Martin Williams ain’t no farmer nor an economist.
        
        What else do we know about Martin? Let’s guess, I’ll start:
        
        He’s happy that hard-won taxpayer money is tossed about with gay abandon by lefty governments because……diversification is always a winner and because any government investment automatically generates returns greater than the cost of that money.
        
        Good to know.
        
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        July 16, 2019 1:50pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Not that gradually, Radiata logs suffer from sapstain and start to deteriorate in not much more than a few weeks unless treated with fairly toxic chemicals.
        
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        July 16, 2019 5:17pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        AOR, indeed, pine forest are a major emitter of methane, but the government doesn’t care because it doesn’t have to – because methane from forestry is NOT COUNTED.
        
        One point that always seems to get missed in the whole emissions debate is that the “accounting rules” for emissions are exceedingly wonky and created largely for political not scientific purposes. So many actions taken to “reduce emissions” may actual increase actual emissions while reducing counted emissions.
        
        But who really cares, the environutters can’t count and the major political supporters of the idea don’t care about the environment except as a concept to acquire and retain power.
        
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        July 16, 2019 5:21pm
    - Faroffsound
      
      More on Shane Jones’ tree planting.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&
      amp;objectid=12249470&fbclid=IwAR1HO2_WuaVIsgFqgrHYjPjpf
      7JVswyit5JfevRLvVckc7kvQb5eTtEGr3A
      
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      July 16, 2019 3:04pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What’s the point in trying to discuss the economy with her? Even her Finance Minister knows the Back Bencher better than the economy. Wait till other commodity prices collapse for a mild interest to develop.
    
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    July 16, 2019 1:27pm
    - Swifty
      
      How far back would we have to go to find a PM so economically illiterate and inexperienced?
      
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      July 16, 2019 1:52pm
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, I think the PM understands something about supply and demand. In this case an oversupply of logs from Scandinavia, Russia, NZ etc landing on China’s shores.
    
    With a background of China’s economic recession thanks to Trump’s tariff wars,
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113768022/log-price-slump-catches-industry-unawares
    
    Now for your quick fix?
    
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    July 16, 2019 1:52pm
- Brian Marshall
  
  Here’s the link to the ZB on demand. About 2 mins 20 from the end.
  http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/ZB/auckland/2019.07.16-07.30.00-S.mp3
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:47am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    I should add, I heard an analysis on the price of logs, where the glut is Russian logs returning on the otherwise empty train carriages that are taking the Chinese exports to the the west. Makes sense I suppose, and unlikely to ease up any time soon.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:50am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      and in fact NZ has been coasting on a reduction in supply from Russia, who got into a dispute with China about a decade ago and turned the supply off.
      
      Seems like its just been turned back on again, so NZ radiata is back to being the shit you buy when you can’t get the real stuff…… bugger!
      
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      July 16, 2019 7:44pm
  - secondcumming
    
    I see that Australia is also voicing their concern about the billion dollars worth of coal exports currently being held up at Chinese ports.
    
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    July 16, 2019 11:20am
- Gravelroad
  
  This is how it rolls in Jacindaland:
  “It is so nice that she even goes on that bully Mike Hoskin’s show at all. Who cares if she doesnt know boring details like the price of wood?
  Jacinda is just so kind and cool. Disrespectful journalists should remember that and not put her under so much pressure while she’s doing her best to talk about hard stuff.
  We love you Jac no matter what and of course we will be voting for you next election.”
  
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  July 16, 2019 11:23am
  - kevn
    
    @Gravel…. Don’t you just love the JA patronizing tone when Hosking interviews her.
    
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    July 16, 2019 12:10pm
slightlyrighty

From yesterday’s Cricket World Cup.

Did anyone else notice what happened at the medal ceremony, when the captain opened a bottle of bubbly and started spraying it?

The 2 Muslim Players legged it as fast as they could.
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July 16, 2019 9:58am
- stephieboy
  
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  slightyrighty, always on hand to find an opportunity to make cheap shots!
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:05am
  - All_on_Red
    
    This post hasn’t aged well
    “stephieboy
    ……. Irony alert!
    July 16, 2019 10:03AM’
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:36am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It’s been reported widely around the world stephie:
    
    https://www.givemesport.com/1489933-moeen-ali-and-adil-rashid-run-away-when-england-spray-champagne-due-to-religious-beliefs
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:41am
    - cmm
      
      Huh, I always thought his name was Moët Ali.
      
      You learn something new every day.
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:30am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    You could see it as a cheap shot, or, if one were inclined, see it as a metaphor as to how some people from other parts of the world find it difficult to adjust to what is considered normal in other parts of the world.
    
    Consider, for a moment, the notion that there are those in the world who would consider calling for a ban on these sorts of celebrations for fear of offending a vociferous minority. I predict that there will be pressure placed on teams in future to not engage in such antics.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:49am
    - cmm
      
      I’m certainly not going to eat a bowl of pig offal to make my Chinese friends happy. But, equally, I won’t demand that they stop eating it.
      
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      July 16, 2019 11:32am
    - kowtow
      
      Happened already.
      
      ‘The Football Association (FA) will break with tradition and no longer hand out champagne to competition winners to avoid offending players whose religious beliefs prohibit alcohol consumption.’
      
      Whose the sponsor could be a clue as to why . Emirates.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/387763/champagne-football-banned
      
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      July 16, 2019 3:43pm
      - sooty
        
        But they can serve it on the plane, no problem!
        
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        July 16, 2019 4:19pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    stephieboy, always on hand to find an opportunity to make a complete arse of himself.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:57am
- srylands
  
  That’s quite amusing.
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:39am
- herb1
  
  i also noticed they were the only ones not singing the National anthem
  
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  July 16, 2019 11:32am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I didn’t know Eoin Margan was Muslim as well as Irish…
    
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    July 16, 2019 12:46pm
    - sooty
      
      What’s wrong with been an irsh muslim?
      You racist?
      He could be lgbt+++++ aswell.
      
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      July 16, 2019 4:24pm
- Nermal
  
  Actually I don’t blame them. I’m an alcoholic in recovery, and would hate to be sprayed with the stuff
  
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  July 16, 2019 2:26pm
  - sooty
    
    Sticky shit, just like softdrink, but the diet stuff is not sticky. Ideal for giving to kids, they don’t know the difference!
    
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    July 16, 2019 4:26pm
Happychappy

Barry Soper tell you how it is in the Coalition, nothing gets pass Peter’s before its passed.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12249792
The voter should take notice of this as it is Peter’s that wants the rail up grade to cater for forestry even though the arse has fallen out of log prices with some saying over 50%.
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July 16, 2019 10:06am
- sooty
  
  Soper telling how it is in the COL!
  
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  July 16, 2019 11:37am
Jack5

Karl du Fresne is good on the University of Otago academics who know best for us.

What has happened to Otago University? In addition to Karl’s points, it’s worth noting that science projects at this institution now have to be approved by a Maori committee. This is right up there with Conrad’s voyage in the Congo.

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
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July 16, 2019 10:09am
alloytoo

“Dunedin’s Baldwin St loses battle for steepest street to Welsh town ”

Another failure under Ardern’s Watch. 😉
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July 16, 2019 10:19am
- Batman
  
  Why isn’t she out there right now, digging out the bottom half with a pick axe???? ?
  
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  July 16, 2019 2:54pm
- oldgolfer
  
  All downhill from here.
  
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  July 16, 2019 4:09pm
Jack5

Top woman tennis player had her breasts surgically reduced to help her game.

This plus transgender weightlifters winning women’s titles …

Is the human race in some sort of psychotic episode?

Or is this the beginning of a new trend. Bodies medically re-modelled for rugby or basketball or power lifting?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jul/15/my-breast-reduction-why-i-had-the-surgery-that-helped-simona-halep-win-at-wimbledon
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July 16, 2019 10:20am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Serena Williams would probably take issue with that…
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:42am
- krazykiwi
  
  I want my right index finger re-modeled to be more chiseled. A fat finger prodding at my iPhone is dangerous.
  
  On one occasion I meant to key “get all our ducks in a row”. You will note that ‘i’ is adjacent to ‘u’ on the keyboard. What a blooper!
  
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  July 16, 2019 11:36am
- Batman
  
  To be fair, large breasts are a practical nuisance in everyday life, I am reliably informed!
  
  Back pain, back spasms, posture and other health issues etc.
  
  With great beauty comes great trial etc….
  
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  July 16, 2019 2:56pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    meh, sticking a nipple on 1kg of fat (G cup) doesn’t make it beautiful.
    
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    July 16, 2019 4:11pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      meh, may I beg to differ! but I am unashamedly cis!
      
      Bwuhahahaha!
      
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      July 16, 2019 7:47pm
Prince

Why wasn’t Ardern asked her opinion on the comments made by this group about Trump, which sparked his response ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/114260941/1950s-racism-straight-from-the-white-house-donald-trumps-tweets-revolt-politicians-around-the-world
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July 16, 2019 10:28am
- Jack5
  
  Jacinderella says she now expects ~~Judas~~ Whinny Peters to “to reiterate our views there” in the United States, where he’s visiting for trade talks and “a conference on religious freedom.”
  
  The Ministerial web site says that Peters, who left for America yesterday, is headed for “talks with senior members of the US Administration, and to attend the Ministerial to Advance Religious Freedom.”
  
  What is Peters doing at a conference on religious freedom? When was horse racing recognised as a religion?
  
  Here’s the official Peters trip agenda. It’s from the Beehive:
  
  Peters will meet with Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo, National Security Advisor John Bolton, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, and Secretary of the Interior David Bernhardt. He will also meet the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Asia Pacific Subcommittee, Senator Cory Gardner.
  
  While in Washington, Mr Peters will also deliver a speech focused on the importance of the bilateral relationship, and opportunities to further strengthen trade and economic cooperation between New Zealand and the United States.
  
  What? No appointment to tell off Trump on Jacinderella’s behalf?
  
  No way are Jacinderella/Peters going to get a trade deal for NZ with the US.
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:52am
  - sooty
    
    That was the prior to Cindy opening the trap, now who knows what going to happen?
    
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    July 16, 2019 11:35am
    - igm
      
      She has once again displayed her total and complete incompetence to be in any position other than a PSA-protected clipboard carrier. She is unfit to hold any private sector position as she would not even get a personal interview — one phone call would show she is inept to serve in anywhere in any capacity.
      
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      July 16, 2019 3:56pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    ‘Getting’ a trade deal with the US has nothing to do with sucking up to Trump, or giving an honest opinion about him when asked.
    The idea that Trump would even know who New Zealand politcians or official were is patently ridiculous. The guy won’t know anything, good or bad, about New Zealand, full stop, let alone be able to focus long enough to punish the country for real or imagined slights.
    
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    July 16, 2019 12:51pm
    - Batman
      
      I think you underestimate his ability to retain a grudge against someone who even mildly criticises him.
      
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      July 16, 2019 12:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Possibly, but I don’t believe I underestimate his inability to actually act on his stupid impulses.
        
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        July 16, 2019 1:16pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Who’s PM at present?
    
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    July 16, 2019 1:30pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The PM.
      
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      July 16, 2019 1:35pm
      - sooty
        
        Kelvin from whitless protection is when Cindy jumps on the plane to Melbourne to pose with the silo, as cardy man is watching the cricket, Whinestone is trying to get a meeting ing USA, after Cindy opened her gob,
        
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        July 16, 2019 4:16pm
- Rich Prick
  
  These days everything is racist. It’s a word tossed about by the left in response to everything that it has pretty much lost its meaning.
  
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  July 16, 2019 11:09am
Jack5

Does anyone-else get the feeling the Leftist friends in the media are being used by the Government-Reserve Bank bloc to rally support against the banks?

The ANZ name and banks generally featured on Red Radio this morning in accounts of financial mis-dealing.

We in NZ could be headed for a showdown between the banks and our Leftist government, which unlike Lenin, won’t be able to blow open the bank vaults to keep the currency flowing.

Could the Labour-Groans Coalition go mad and do something Castro-esque, like try to nationalise Eftpos?
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July 16, 2019 11:35am
Maggie Pie

God that Countdown outfit gives me the sh~ts!
First to ban plastic bags, and now they have just come out and advised the ‘Animal Rites Vegan Activists’ that they… “do not condone people tampering with their meat by putting stickers on it”. OH REALLY?!
What a pack of weak namby-pamby dicks!!
What will they say when people start super-gluing their backsides in the supermarket aisles like they have in Australia? Or even worse, actually contaminating the products in one way or another..
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July 16, 2019 11:44am
- sooty
  
  Trespass them from all suermarkets.
  Drag their super glued arses off, lose skin, tough!
  Charge them for all of the product, they labelled as it can not be sold now!
  
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  July 16, 2019 1:12pm
- GoVege
  
  I agree Maggie.
  Even though I am personally against meat-eating, you can’t let extremists of any persuasion get out of control.
  It was a vegan extremist who murdered Pym Fortuyn just for voicing his opinion on immigration.
  We all have to work within the law.
  
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  July 16, 2019 3:41pm
oldgolfer

I do get that feeling, and it worries me.
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July 16, 2019 11:51am
GoVege

Saw online Christine Rankin saying that if we saw the conditions many children in this country live in, we would “flip”.
Give us more detail, Christine, before those kids end up dead.
Or deliberately burned, like the baby in the Hutt today.
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July 16, 2019 12:01pm
- Inandout
  
  GoVege, ask any document server what absolute shit holes some debtors live in.
  
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  July 16, 2019 12:12pm
  - GoVege
    
    True Inandout.
    And social workers and cops and others.
    I know a cop who hates doing drug cases because the children are so terribly neglected.
    One time he went to a house where a woman was glued to her fancy cellphone while her 5 young children had nothing to eat but a pot of mouldy rice.
    He often has to buy food for kids like this and make them something to eat.
    Its obvious that hundreds maybe thousands of “parents” are using the money meant for their children mostly on themselves.
    And we’re providing it.
    
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    July 16, 2019 3:35pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is she still alive?
  
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  July 16, 2019 12:35pm
  - sooty
    
    Are you?
    
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    July 16, 2019 1:08pm
    - Jack5
      
      Do you suspect Milky’s a bot, Sooty?
      
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      July 16, 2019 2:25pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes.
      
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      July 16, 2019 2:50pm
kevn

Spark need to sort out the hoax electronic voice calls. They are made from NZ locality codes. There will be a flow on effect on the bottom line.
It is going to create a finally ‘dump my landline’ tsunami.
Spark must have technology, surely.
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July 16, 2019 12:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  Get caller ID and answer the phone “Police” to any unknown number.
  
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  July 16, 2019 2:39pm
  - kevn
    
    @Tall… Got caller ID but the voice is a bot/electronic asking you to push ‘1’ for assistance in sorting your computer/internet etc.
    Talking to a cop the other day about the issue, even they get calls on police work numbers.
    They are a bold bunch these scammers.
    
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    July 16, 2019 3:23pm
    - Swifty
      
      kevn, what happens if you push ‘1’?
      
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      July 16, 2019 7:07pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        you get a nice young man from India or the Philippines who should be ashamed of themselves, as I remind them every time.
        
        We are getting 2 of these crank calls a day at the mo – so some fools must be believing them!
        
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        July 16, 2019 7:50pm
      - simpleton1
        
        On their 2nd try a day later, I answered with “please leave a message after the tone” but the female bot message was well underway.
        As the bot message mindlessly continued on. I inadvertently did push “1”,
        
        It then put on a person, that immediately started some blurb about closing the internet on me, trying to talk to me more personally.
        
        In noticing my error, I was already moving to push the hang up, and closed the caller down.
        
        As they had mentioned internet, I think they want you to open your computer, via their instructions, and then load in a code that will give them unrestricted controlling access to your computer, with a costly payment to be made to free it, if they ever do.
        
        I do figure that I could hear a background “buzz” of voices, like would be in a call centre.
        
        At this stage I just take note of time, date, and report in an email to the link I posted to below, in this case to Spark., and there is a list of other contacts like netsafe etc…
        Date and time should help the company to figure from what number that call was made, a start, and if reported enough, then patterns may emerge.
        However do note that some scammers can make it appear on caller ID, that it may be a phone number of one of your family.
        
        Going to other phone companies, not sure if they are the answer either, as I have googled and found the mobile companies also have similiar problems.
        From that never ring back, as that can be routed through a costly 0900 number.
        
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        July 16, 2019 8:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      They have always hung up when I’ve done 😉 it
      
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      July 16, 2019 7:25pm
- simpleton1
  
  Had that in the past week.
  They seem to launch into a “message”, of for some reason needing to disconnect you from the internet, and that you can help them by pressing “1”
  
  After the 2nd call was done to me I found where I could report it.
  https://www.spark.co.nz/help/scams-safety/scams/report-a-scam/
  
  They have different complaint systems, for land lines, mobiles and broadband.
  There is a freephone number “If the caller says they’re from Spark give us a call on 0800 800 123 and we can check your account”
  
  Spark did ‘auto reply’ back to my email complaint.
  
  Same kevn Snap. 😉
  
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  July 16, 2019 3:25pm
- tf78
  
  I’m wondering whether Spark are actively wanting people to want to dump their landlines.
  We are about to as all we get is hoax calls or calls where the caller can’t hear us.
  
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  July 17, 2019 7:44am
Poppa

It never ceases to amaze me how inept our princess PM is. She appears to have no real knowledge on anything which is of a serious nature. When questionned by Mike Hosking about the price of logs she had no idea.

I mean seriously, is that what you would expect from any PM? Peters sure has plenty to answer for that is for sure
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July 16, 2019 1:14pm
- BeaB
  
  Umm ahh umm ahh. Then she latches on to some glib banality.
  
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  July 16, 2019 3:16pm
  - sooty
    
    Gainfully employed since she left school!
    
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    July 16, 2019 4:06pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  The idea that a good PM must have an encyclopedic knowledge of commodity prices is an interesting one, but I can’t picture it becoming a criterion for office, due to the WTF problem involved.
  
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  July 16, 2019 4:18pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    She’s a self described ‘policy wonk’ who having been in politics for 11 years should have a passing understanding and knowledge of all matters economic. Yet she didn’t even know what GDP was in an interview last year. Unbelievably ignorant and quite obviously lazy (worst house attendance record of any PM).
    
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    July 16, 2019 4:39pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The idea that Mike Hosking could ask relevant questions about commodity prices is also an interesting one, but I can’t see that becoming a criterion for hosting a radio show.
    But the PM could be a little bit better prepared. Just glancing at the Herald headlines and asking herself “what would a moron say about this” would do it.
    
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    July 16, 2019 4:41pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    I get that it is a bit of reach but commodity prices do drive the economy and i would expect the PM to have some cursory knowledge of that.
    
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    July 16, 2019 5:25pm
  - BeaB
    
    Hardly needs to be encyclopedic. I could have blathered on quite plausibly about cyclical commodity prices, dependence on China etc. Most of us have at least a rudimentary grasp. She didn’t. In fact, it appeared to be news to her. She was totally at sea.
    The umm aah count must have been astronomical.
    
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    July 16, 2019 5:35pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Jacinda does not need to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the prices of commodities such as sphagnum moss. It would be waste of her time. Nor should she be bothered with a 10% drop in raw log prices. That is trivial detail but, of course, it would not be trivial to plantation owners.
    But log prices plunged by more than 30% and logs are a huge export item as anybody who has seen a port, apart from Auckland, would be faintly aware of. Jacinda was completely unaware of that plunge in prices. Incredible.
    
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    July 16, 2019 9:38pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum txts from the Village –

https://i.imgflip.com/35r1xt.jpg
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July 16, 2019 2:14pm
- sooty
  
  Yep ,that’s them and that’s the target audience!
  
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  July 16, 2019 4:05pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Your right there soots-
    Ma was just saying they spent half the day talking about ‘hot watwer bottles’!
    
    [WTF were ZB thinking?]
    
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    July 16, 2019 4:48pm
Monique Watson

Government is coming for the farmers. Over climate change. And Maori are suing the government over climate change. I think the average Kiwi will punish Labour.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/114278978/iwi-leader-to-sue-government-for-failing-to-protect-maori-from-effects-of-climate-change
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July 16, 2019 5:29pm
- sooty
  
  The treaty payout is not enough!
  These special people want more because global warming does not effect anybody else!
  
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  July 16, 2019 6:31pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Fun. Someone’s going to have to actually prove real climate change and the future to have any claim.
  
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  July 16, 2019 7:42pm
Ross12

I see a NZH headline saying :
“National’s Simon Bridges says Government pushing out it’s ETS timeframe is a back down”

Will someone please tell Bridge’s to engage his brain before opening his mouth. Climate Change policy might be important in the beltway but it will lead to a range of big cost increases which eventually for voters outside the beltway will be a big turnoff.
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July 16, 2019 6:03pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114268435/wellington-city-bus-commuters-ripped-off-by-new-bus-network-and-higher-fares

I can believe this claim.

I live at Waikanae Beach, and whilst the bus service is superb, the buses mostly new and the drivers great, hardly anyone uses them !
They would better of running some Toyota HiAce mini-buses. And then drop the fares to match the lower running costs.
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July 16, 2019 6:23pm
- nasska
  
  As normal local bodies who truly believe that it is their mission to waste ratepayers’ money on stupid ideas perhaps they’d be better to follow the example of Auckland Transport:
  
  ……” The Uber-style service provided by Auckland Transport allowed residents of Devonport to request a pick-up via an online app by one of five dedicated electric vehicles which then takes them home or to a nearby ferry wharf.
  
  But after three months the number of people expected to use the service on a weekly basis have not even reached half of the modest target set by Auckland Tran”……
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/110930828/publiclyfunded-13m-uber-service-needs-rain
  
  It would probably end up cheaper than running 46 seater scheduled buses.
  
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  July 16, 2019 6:54pm
- MickMac
  
  Good idea Greybeard
  BMT’s
  Black MiniBus Taxis.
  
  They run like clockwork for thousands of miles.
  can use ordinary licences.
  Part time drivers to suit their lifestyle and meet customer needs.
  Wellington could do with similar.
  
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  July 16, 2019 7:49pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That was tried in the Hutt Valley in the 1990s. The routes were tendered,and the taxi company that got the tender for some western hills routes ran vans there for a while. Didn’t last though.
  
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  July 16, 2019 8:12pm
Odakyu-sen

This proposed carbon tax on dairy farmers of 1 cent per kg of milk solid, where will the collected money go? Will it be paid to someone in NZ, or will it go overseas to some despot?
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July 16, 2019 8:06pm
- Rich Prick
  
  It will be an impost on us as consumers and will be collected by the UN to give out to polluting third world shitholes, ultimately making its way into “princes” and “kings” of those same third world shitholes.
  
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  July 16, 2019 10:14pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Buy shares in BMW (Rolls Royce) if you ever want to recover any of your planet tax. The third world will be buying lots of those cars once we start making them rich.
    
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    July 16, 2019 10:18pm
Hugh Pavletich

Recession Looms: Cass Freight Index Negative For 7th Month | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-16/recession-looms-cass-freight-index-negative-7th-month
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