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G152

Watching nature programs has become a ‘count the global warming claims’.
Unexpected animal behavior GLOBAL WARMING.
Coastal erosion GLOBAL WARMING.
Anything else GLOBAL WARMING
Any chance we could watch these programs without the crazies propaganda?
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July 14, 2019 8:36am
- Jules99
  
  I used to love watching nature programmes. Just can’t watch them now. Sad. In fact most modern tv is a chance to screech at you.
  
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  July 14, 2019 8:43am
  - Notsofast
    
    So 100% more people and 50% less animal biomass on the planet and dramatic decrease in insect pollinators in 50 years is a cool result?
    These figures show the idiocy of our immigration settings.
    
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    July 14, 2019 12:48pm
- igm
  
  Have our granddaughter (11) staying with us and she is typically a brainwashed child. These left-wing unionised losers masquerading as teachers are even penalising a kid when they offer differing points of view on this UN-driven rort!
  
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  July 14, 2019 8:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  And now HRH Charles has declared we have 18 months left to live. Where was he educated?
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/13/delingpole-my-solution-to-climate-change-eat-prince-charles/
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:06am
  - calendar girl
    
    He attended the University of Cambridge.
    
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    July 14, 2019 9:46am
  - 3-coil
    
    Kev – you can’t take seriously any brainfart that HRH Charlie emits! This is from the idiot who wished he was a tampon!!
    
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    July 14, 2019 9:50am
    - Steve Todd
      
      I’m no fan of Prince Charles – for example, his inability to talk clearly, because of his severe case of ‘rounded-vowel syndrome’, is just pretentious, aristocratic-twittery, in my view – but, hey, give the guy a break. He was in love. It was a private phone conversation during which they said silly, luvvy-duvvy, things to each other, that the public should never have found out about.
      
      I condemn him far more for his attempts to interfere with the machinery of government, than for his inconsequential ‘tampon’ nonsense.
      
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      July 14, 2019 2:54pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I actually find TVNZ ‘news’ on a Sunday evening is an excellent opportunity to view woke advertorials…
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:16am
- rightoverlabour
  
  All is not lost, more of this is appearing more often
  
  https://notrickszone.com/2019/07/04/90-leading-italian-scientists-sign-petition-co2-impact-on-climate-unjustifiably-exaggerated-catastrophic-predictions-not-realistic/
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:30am
  - herb1
    
    Clearly based on a downtick , there’s a Green Party activist upset about seeing facts that he or she dosent agree with.
    I find these Green activists tedious. A climate site I follow has been taken over by a Green activist lawyer who gets quite nasty in his attacks when anyone shares articles or scientific papers that don’t accept their unqualified opinion.
    Now this Facebook site is being used by this activist to hustle for money to take the Coromandel Council to Court for not declaring a climate Emergency.
    He even did a post on how dumb people who opposed his opinion where , and was supported by a local teacher who stated he was smarter as well because he had a physics degree, no matter that several of the dumb buggers had PHDs in climate fields.
    
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    July 14, 2019 3:07pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  G152
  TV is such bullshit. Its just insidious propaganda now, Brave New World style. Look at the adverts too – multi-ethnic families living the ‘diverse’ lifestyle. Gillette, for example, telling white guys that they are bullies and rapists. And they wonder why young white men are killing themselves in large numbers. They are told that masculinity is bad. “Just be a placid little pussy” seems to be the message. Its not even a subtle point that susceptible viewers are being ‘re-programmed’ to think in global terms at the expense of distinct genders, cultures and nationalities.
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:30am
  - Sacha
    
    The tragedy is that the fathers of these young men (and their mothers, too) allow TV to shape their thinking without any moderating influences.
    Do they not discuss what makes a ‘bully’ or a ‘rapist’, or indeed any undesirable behaviour ? There is plenty of opportunity to start a discussion if they are watching TV together.
    We used to simply say that ‘this is rubbish’ and turn the tv off. And then the kids would ask why? and the discussion would begin.
    Or we’d say: We are not having this unpleasant behaviour in this house – even if it is only on tv and not real.’ Discussion would follow.
    Interestingly, said kids are now in their ’50’s and do the same, even when there are only adults present.
    
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    July 14, 2019 10:04am
  - The King
    
    And yet in nearly every ‘White’ country Whites are the minority in prisons, go figure huh.
    
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    July 14, 2019 1:05pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Agree Ghandi! It seems like every time I turn my TV on, there is some female screeching head forecasting the end of the planet due to man made global warming.
    I wish school teachers were dismissed for filling our kid’s heads with lies and political propaganda. Fat chance of that happening though when our government caves in to their union’s every wish.
    
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    July 14, 2019 1:39pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Nickc2
      When one is employed by the State, then one has every incentive to push the idea that 1) the State is an indispensible institution in all of our lives; and, following from premise 1, that 2) it is therefore in everyone’s best interests to increase the size and scope of the State. You won’t see Milton Friedman, Frederic Bastiat or Friedrich Hayek books in a State school curriculum.
      
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      July 14, 2019 2:20pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Anyone else seen the articles on Stuff about
  – stress disorders caused by climate change anxiety
  – couples choosing not to have kids so they don’t increase their carbon footprint
  – $600K grant to study linkage between climate change and mental illness
  
  The world is going made
  
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  July 14, 2019 3:20pm
artemisia

Police are talking up the first gun buyback event in Christchurch as a success. Couple of gun owners interviewed by the media reckoned it is a good thing. That’s that then.

Many many more guns to be handed in and that is just the licenced ones.

Gun retailers will be happy that at least some of the almost half a mill will be coming their way. With more to come, much more.
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July 14, 2019 8:36am
- Swifty
  
  I have wondered what proportion of the potentially hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars paid out will end up back in the hands of gun dealers as owners just buy other firearms with their loot.
  
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  July 14, 2019 8:45am
  - sooty
    
    Some dealers can expect more than others as they do appear to have a snitch with Hunting an Fishing.
    
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    July 14, 2019 9:13am
    - sooty
      
      I wonder if the boyfriend got time off from driving the buses?
      They do seem to be short of drivers in Wellington!
      
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      July 14, 2019 9:30am
      - sooty
        
        Whoops some how that got in the wrong post!
        Meant to be on grunters junket!
        
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        July 14, 2019 11:53am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Indeed. They wont be seeing much of the cash. Perhaps its time they just became a camping and cheap clothing knock-off store, they clearly don’t support shooting sports.
      
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      July 14, 2019 11:47am
- Yvette
  
  One factor of democracy does seem to be the Second Amendment of the US Constitution that permits individuals the right to bear arms, making them a supposed sane and moral majority with those arms outnumbering the military or any group who could betray or turn against the people.
  
  Same here, but the actions of one man has changed that.
  If Tarrant was warning anyone of an “invasion”, he has single handedly removed a means of protection against that – the right to bear certain arms.
  
  And, incredibly ironic, not to mention bizarre: international comment on Tarrant’s manifesto gives as one motivation for his choice of firearms (was opposed to any other means of killing), was the hope that it would create conflict in the US regarding the Second Amendment, and is perhaps another reason why Tarrant made a vast mistake in picking New Zealand as his venue.
  
  The use of firearms and its effect on social discussion, and media coverage were reportedly the other two reasons for Tarrant’s choice – apparently no mention is made of the automatic fire-power, which distinguishes the firearms Ardern and the police have decided should be handed in.
  So it seems the particular arms being surrendered may be the choice of politicians and police, not a decision totally determined by the massacres.
  
  Had Tarrant selected vehicular-murder, would small cars still be acceptable but anything bigger than a ute require unbelievable measures to permit driving them?
  
  And that the law is changed and enforced long before either the Royal Commission or the terrorist trial produces any information, would seem to confirm a “captain’s call” on the matter rather than any alternative considerations relating to firearm owners.
  
  Small wonder a few firearm owners are a little annoyed.
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:39am
  - Yvette
    
    Correction: “… his choice of firearms (was opposed to any other means of killing)” should be “… his choice of firearms (as opposed to any other means of killing)”
    
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    July 14, 2019 10:27am
  - The King
    
    No, perhaps you should read his manifesto to understand it better.(its not illegal to read the manifesto NZ government cannot stop anyone from reading anything its a literal UN human right) He wasn’t “warning” anyone of an invasion ive read it, and have no idea where you get this assumption from. His intent was to send a message to the invaders not a warning. He specifically said he has no problem with muslims, he also noted their generosity to him in their countries.
    
    He called the reaction both from gun owners and the government correctly, A) NZ Gun owners would do nothing B) The government will take the guns. He said NZ gun owners are a “beaten bunch of baby boomers” and asked “when have they ever had increased rights” “their (gun owners) loss was inevitable i just accelerated it a bit”
    
    Now tell me where he’s wrong?
    
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    July 14, 2019 2:57pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Yvette
    I have to disagree about the proposition that Tarrant sought to “create conflict in the US regarding the Second Amendment, and is perhaps another reason why Tarrant made a vast mistake in picking New Zealand as his venue.”
    
    While I agree with the first part (because he said that in his manifesto), I think that NZ was his target for the very reason that he knew, due to the novelty of the situation, that he would create massive pressure on any NZ government to impose a knee-jerk ban, and that they would actually do it. Moreover, as our Parliament is supreme and unfettered by any enshrined constitutional rights, they can do what they wish with (usually) a bare majority.
    
    By targeting a non-US nation, huge external pressure would be placed on the US to follow suit, using Saint Jacinda’s NZ as “the template for how to respond.” The pressure (as yet not manifested in action) would have been applied by claims that if little old NZ can do it, then the US can too. Had he done the shooting in the US, it would still have been shocking, but ultimately would have been viewed as another in a long list of similar acts.
    
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    July 14, 2019 4:23pm
- Paulus
  
  Did I not read that there are something like 38,000 registered gun owners in Canterbury.
  168 turned up yesterday.
  What a success.
  
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  July 14, 2019 10:12am
  - Rob2
    
    Yep, the smart ones. Wanted to collect the taxpayer subsidy that came with handing in their toys.
    Nothing to do with being moral just plain opportunist.
    Wonder what they will use our money on now?
    Wonder if its considered income and therefore taxable.
    Best ask the IRD.
    Is there a Brightline Test?
    
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    July 14, 2019 1:25pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I’d have hated to see what their criteria for failure was then!
  
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  July 14, 2019 11:47am
G152

Just commenting on the ‘whites are racists and Non white cannot possibly be racist’ blurb that seems to be all the rage.
Have any of these commentators ever been off the tourist track in any of the African countries or many of the Asian countries???
Those who have have stories to tell that may change ignorant commentators stories
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July 14, 2019 8:41am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I’ve been refused service at a shop in the Pacific.
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:03am
- John Warren
  
  Work opportunities had me living in a Southeast Asian country for a couple of years at one point. I learned all about racism from the other side. They generally hated white people and smiled at the tourists for only as long as it took to relieve them of their cash.
  
  Not only that, but they hated the Chinese passionately, and actively discriminated against the ethnic Indians who had been there for generations.
  
  Makes me laugh (bitterly), this only-white-people-are-racist bullshit. It is my perception that in NZ today the racism is pretty much all directed towards European NZers by Maori.
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:09am
  - Swifty
    
    Well said.
    
    I totally agree – the whole thing is twisted and totally effed up.
    
    When it comes down to it – I believe it is just an instrument being used by some to win, by guilt, political or financial advantage. That is all.
    
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    July 14, 2019 10:00am
  - MCos
    
    I never had any problem as a white person living in SE Asia except the local all thought I was filthy rice.
    (By the standards of most people I was certainly better paid)
    A lot of the expats considered themselves superior to the locals, particularly when they first arrived. There’s nothing more sure to cause resentment than a bunch of cowboys coming to your country and telling you it’s a shithole while exploiting the cheap labour or whatever.
    
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    July 14, 2019 3:00pm
- Jules99
  
  I had a client working in one of NZ’s best know employers who had been told that she would never be team leader because she’s not Chinese. She was extremely upset at this and was looking for a job that had potential to move up the ladder. Not only is the racism bad, but this woman’s track record was amazing and she will be huge loss to this kiwi company.
  
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  July 14, 2019 10:13am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Not only is the racism bad, but this woman’s track record was amazing and she will be huge loss to this Chinese company.”
    
    There. Fixed it for you.
    
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    July 14, 2019 12:48pm
- The King
  
  You want to learn about race go to prison. The only way to keep yourself safe being White is instigate ethnic conflict between the Maoris and Samoans,Tongans etc.
  
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  July 14, 2019 1:21pm
  - MCos
    
    ‘Go to prison’
    
    No thanks
    
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    July 14, 2019 3:02pm
Happychappy

I am not a prude and have friends that are bent but does anyone on here like me see that it is not in the best interest of NZ to have taxpayers money use to do a story on Tamati Coffy hs Partner and their new baby. I would love to see a poll on this to see NZer’s views.
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July 14, 2019 8:44am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Start one here then.
  
  I don’t give a shit about Tamati Coffey and, I am not even remotely interested in his publicity driven mental state.
  
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  July 14, 2019 8:57am
- John Warren
  
  Most people wouldn’t give a flying fuck about Tamati and his baby. But the media have a narrative to push, and Tamati is a “celebrity”.
  
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  July 14, 2019 8:59am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I don’t give two hoots about Coffey’s sexuality, but I feel sorry for their baby, already been used for political purposes. If the child is forced to grow up in the media spotlight, there will be unintended consequences for the family.
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:04am
  - sooty
    
    I asume it’s all legal?
    
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    July 14, 2019 9:15am
  - Jules99
    
    Isn’t it irresponsible to bring a baby into the world when it’s going to end in 12 years? Cruel I would think.
    
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    July 14, 2019 9:48am
  - igm
    
    He is no worse than his leader . . . that poor child is going to get hell prior to next election . . . driven no doubt by Jethro.
    
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    July 14, 2019 5:10pm
- Scott
  
  Unfortunately this is being paraded around as the new “normal”.
  Let me just say this.
  It is not normal for two men to get married. It is not normal for two men to pretend they can have a baby. It is not normal for a child to be deliberately brought into the world without a mother.
  
  It’s sad that when actual marriage is at a low ebb and children are not being looked after properly we have to focus on this as something laudable. It is not. Not in this life and not in the next.
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:15am
  - Swifty
    
    Scott, what is the evidence that there is a life after this one?
    
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    July 14, 2019 9:55am
    - Scott
      
      Hi swifty. The compelling evidence would be Jesus rising from the dead. “He is not here, he has risen”.
      So on Sunday the disciples found the empty tomb. For the next 40 days Jesus appeared to his disciples. Then he ascended to heaven before their eyes.
      Good accounts of this can be found in Luke chapter 24. For a more detailed account read John 21 & 22.
      
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      July 14, 2019 12:31pm
      - Swifty
        
        Goodo.
        
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        July 14, 2019 1:56pm
- srylands
  
  Sorry how is public funding being used for the media story?
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:21am
  - Happychappy
    
    I am not saying I am right srylands but the money comes from NZ on Air Platinum Fund which is I would presume funded by the Taxpayer.
    
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    July 14, 2019 11:41am
- Sacha
  
  He’s a politician.
  He needs the publicity.
  It’s a one-day wonder.
  Forget it.
  
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  July 14, 2019 10:10am
- The King
  
  This wont end well, it never does.
  
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  July 14, 2019 1:23pm
igm

Not only are this CoL pandering to LBGTs but seems they have have a compliant judiciary as well . . . what does Little know about this travesty of justice?
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July 14, 2019 8:47am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What does Little know about anything?
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:10am
  - sooty
    
    Not how to get votes. Thats for sure!
    
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    July 14, 2019 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
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    As if he seriously cares about your pointless pontifications!
    
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    July 14, 2019 9:16am
    - John Warren
      
      As if we care about yours.
      
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      July 14, 2019 9:35am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Logged in for one reason only. To downtick Stephieboy.
      
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      July 14, 2019 10:36am
  - freethinker
    
    Very Little.
    
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    July 14, 2019 9:21am
  - igm
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114218682/victims-of-laurel-hubbard-crash-appalled-at-sentence-and-suppression
    
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    July 14, 2019 9:41am
- igm
  
  Forgot this—
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114218682/victims-of-laurel-hubbard-crash-appalled-at-sentence-and-suppression
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:40am
Colville

Very few of the people who have had a AR taken from them will be going out to buy a bolt action replacement.
How may retailers emptied their shelves into their mates gun safes so the tax payer could buy their unsold stock?
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July 14, 2019 8:55am
- John Warren
  
  Good point.
  
  Something that’s just occurred to me – I haven’t seen anything about retailers being compensated for unsold stock. Would that be right?
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:38am
- Swifty
  
  I agree, not as a replacement, but just something else they’ve always fancied now that they’ve got the cash freed up.
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:46am
- Swifty
  
  The retailers are being paid out too, for any stock on hand.
  
  As reported to me by a Reloaders Supplies staffer a couple of weeks ago.
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:48am
  - John Warren
    
    OK, cool. What about that comment from the PM that they could just send their stock back to the supplier? Was that just her displaying her general ignorance and lack of grasp of the policy details?
    
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    July 14, 2019 1:16pm
    - Swifty
      
      Yeah, we covered this at Reloaders – the guy said that firearms and ammo etc retailers pay for their orders at the time of placing the orders so goods ordered but not yet shipped, being shipped or already here are the property of the purchaser (the retailer) and have been sold on a NO RETURNS basis – except in the case of faulty or incorrectly dispatched goods.
      
      So, they can’t be returned to the supplier, but are covered by the buy back apparently. Again, according to the Reloaders guy.
      
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      July 14, 2019 2:02pm
      - Swifty
        
        Sorry, could have worded that better.
        
        Firearms etc are purchased on a no returns basis.
        
        The suppliers don’t want to know after that.
        
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        July 14, 2019 2:08pm
      - John Warren
        
        Cheers for clarifying that for me.
        
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        July 14, 2019 9:11pm
mikenmildagain

Joyeux Quatorze Juillet, mes enfants.
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July 14, 2019 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  Ah , the Frogs , whose national day celebrates one group of Frogs murdering another group of Frogs.
  
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  July 14, 2019 10:36am
  - GoVege
    
    I think the greedy aristocracy brought it on themselves.
    It said on the telly recently that they stubbornly refused to pay any tax, expecting the “lower classes” to shoulder the entire burden.
    
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    July 14, 2019 1:12pm
  - stephieboy
    
    As if the American Revolution and War of Independence was bloodless!
    
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    July 14, 2019 5:25pm
- Jack5
  
  Bastille Day led to a series of slaughters not dissimilar to those of the Bolsheviks through the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s.
  
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  July 14, 2019 11:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What a typically snowflake response. On that reading, virtually every major historical development needs to be condemned because it led to violent deaths.
    
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    July 14, 2019 5:13pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      And yet there you were only 2 days ago being all snowflakey and accusing europeans of committing genocide.
      
      Happy enough to condemn then weren’t you?
      
      “hypocrisy
      /hɪˈpɒkrɪsi/
      Learn to pronounce
      noun
      noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies
      
      the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
      synonyms: sanctimoniousness, sanctimony, pietism, piousness, affected piety, affected superiority, false virtue, cant, humbug, pretence, posturing, speciousness, empty talk…”
      
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      July 14, 2019 6:19pm
Swifty

A public service announcement for the benefit of KBers.

Please take note that nothing this woman did or said can be construed as racist because she is a minority and therefore is not in a position of power:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/114224588/australian-model-adau-mornyan-may-avoid-us-prison

Mind you, it would be interesting to think about what if the plane was over African airspace when this happened – then she would be in the majority.

Would that have changed things? 🙂
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July 14, 2019 9:11am
- artemisia
  
  Interesting that the flight had several plain clothes marshals. Hopefully that is an extremely boring job.
  
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  July 14, 2019 10:02am
- srylands
  
  If this had been a middle age white guy he would be toast.
  
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  July 14, 2019 10:57am
- sooty
  
  Yer, they could drop her off!
  
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  July 14, 2019 11:56am
stephieboy

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The Annals of Nuclear Protest :

South Australia was the scene of British Nuclear bomb testing post war. Then the location for Nuclear waste disposal. A gallant group of indigenous Aboriginal women said no and meant no and lead and galvanised successful protest action,

The indigenous fight to stop nuclear waste disposal

Witness History
In 1995 a group of senior, indigenous Australian women started a campaign to halt the construction of a nuclear waste facility in a remote part of South Australia.

https://www.iflscience.com/space/no-there-isnt-going-to-be-a-mini-ice-age/
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July 14, 2019 9:15am
- Swifty
  
  As if Australian Aboriginal women care about your pointless pontifications!
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:50am
- Swifty
  
  Or anyone else for that matter!
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:51am
- Swifty
  
  Just who outside your extreme left St Lukes/Dominion Road bubble actually cares!
  
  Duh!
  
  Lol!
  
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  July 14, 2019 9:52am
Maggie Pie

In the latest edition of the Cook Islands magazine ‘Give A Man A Fish’, theres a lengthy interview with Clark Gayford. In response to one of the questions from the editor, he’s quoted as saying, “People need to understand, it’s not all that easy living on the salary of a prime minister.”
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July 14, 2019 9:50am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Oops. That should have been an uptick.
  
  I’m very altruistically prepared to live on the salary of the prime minister for as long as a social sciences department requires in order to test this claim.
  
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  July 14, 2019 1:14pm
- John Warren
  
  Please tell me you’re kidding.
  
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  July 14, 2019 1:17pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Perhaps the PM should get a job more suited to her training.
  
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  July 14, 2019 2:20pm
- Hollyfield
  
  I wonder how he will cope when, at some point in the future, her salary drops to that of a regular MP?
  
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  July 14, 2019 6:51pm
lastmanstanding

Its 50 years since the BBC launched Monty Pythons Flying Circus with the brilliant Cleese Gilliam Palin Idle and Chapman.

I couldnt see the leftie politically correct heads up their arses luvvies at the BBC allowing a similar show to air these days.

British comedy at its very best.
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July 14, 2019 10:09am
- Sacha
  
  It was moderately scandalous at the time though. They made jokes about things which were not polite, and everyone giggled nervously – until they realised that everyone else was laughing too. And the boundaries were pushed so that now anything goes, and there’s not much fun any more.
  
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  July 14, 2019 10:16am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  lastmanstanding
  Cleese is outta there:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA
  
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  July 14, 2019 10:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I trust your familiarity with BBS comedy series from the 2010s will allow you to point out in detail how none of them meet your standards. Objectively, of course.
  
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  July 14, 2019 10:30am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    mikenmildagain
    What is the BBS? And how can something that “meets [lastmanstanding’s] standards” – which would of course necessarily be a subjective measure – also be objective? Sense of humour is a matter of taste, and therefore won’t be found in matters of fact about the world.
    
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    July 14, 2019 12:47pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sorry for the typo.
      Basically you agree with my point. Thanks.
      
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      July 14, 2019 6:16pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        mikenmildagain
        No. Not at all. I’m not sure I’ve ever agreed with you. But when somebody asks somebody else to give them an objective proof of a subjective view-point, then it suggests that they don’t mind looking as though they have no idea what they are even talking about. You obviously don’t.
        
        And you needn’t say sorry for the typo. It’s not for me to forgive you, it’s for your psychiatrist.
        
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        July 14, 2019 7:24pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        My point, evidently not clear enough for you, is the absurdity of claiming that a show like Monty Python couldn’t be made today because of the ‘leftie politically correct’ in charge of the BBC now.
        I was simply pointing out that was a charge impossible to prove. I didn’t really need to go on, but could well have, to point out that the BBC in the 1960s was viewed with suspicion by many conservatives, and comedies such as Monty Python were not universally liked.
        What has actually changed in the fifty years since is that lastmanstanding has got much older.
        
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        July 14, 2019 9:04pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s ok if white upper class twits are the target ……
  
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  July 14, 2019 10:37am
- backster
  
  Last man……….You mean like this model our media are copying…write the script first and then send the reporters out to justify it and ignore evidence to the contrary.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzJh3py3fJE
  
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  July 14, 2019 11:28am
Tauhei Notts

I caught a lovely programme on National Socialist Radio yesterday about the 50th anniversary of the release of that movie “Easy Rider” It was a gem.
When National Radio move away from their endemic left wing thrust it becomes a national treasure. But for 167 hours a week it is left wing dross.
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July 14, 2019 10:21am
Ross12

For those interested in the freedom of speech debate I would recommend listening to the podcast discussion with Stephen Franks and Simon O’Connor (Nat MP).

https://freespeech.buzzsprout.com/
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July 14, 2019 10:57am
- namron
  
  Thanks Ross.
  Will be listening more often.
  Intelligence and logical responses and discussion.
  namron
  
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  July 14, 2019 5:30pm
Jack5

The media has its eyes on ANZ Bank at present, generally siding with the Reserve Bank in its battle with the banks (ANZ is the biggest) over capital ratios.

On Stuff, a headline over a Maori family row over bank account transfers by a woman in her last days features “ANZ” in the headline.

The woman called a manager to her bedside, and the report suggests it’s an intra-family row, with the bank saying the manager acted on the woman’s instructions.

In the Stuff report, the daughter questions the bank manager’s qualifications for determining her mother’s competence to make changes.

But then alleges the manager “transgressed against” Maori custom. The daughter is reported as saying:

“He entered an indigenous jurisdiction at a time of tapu where there’s spiritual restrictions, where I had prepared a space for my mother in that state of tapu where she’s going to die. He’s come in and invaded that space.”

Poor old ANZ Bank: blasted by the media if they carry out a customer’s last instructions, and worse if they don’t. If I could get a manager to my bedside before I croak, so that I could change my millions-dollar bequest to Kiwiblog, I’d die happy. I might switch to ANZ.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114105242/daughter-complains-over-anz-bank-managers-deathbed-visit-to-her-mother
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July 14, 2019 12:02pm
- GoVege
  
  “An indigenous jurisdiction”?
  Sounds like one of them separatist twits!
  
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  July 14, 2019 1:06pm
  - GoVege
    
    I remember having my home “invaded” once by a group of hostile Maori women.
    I wandered into my kitchen and there they were, apparently very cross because I had mentioned to someone on the council that I didn’t like their plan to take over our local park for a building.
    I definitely didn’t invite them in…but then all NZ is Maori land in their minds I suppose. 🙂
    
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    July 14, 2019 3:44pm
- Rob2
  
  Well ANZ place their advertising so they can stop spending with a biased outfit.
  That’s the best way to get respect. Remove the free money.
  Stuff is fucked anyway.
  The Aussies don’t want it.
  What’s the bet Infratil pick it up for bugger all and meld it with Vodaphone which they have just bought.
  Infratil can wait for the Aussies who turned down 50 mill for it the other day.
  
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  July 14, 2019 1:34pm
Maggie Pie

Cereal offender loses name suppression:

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1150092051007991808
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July 14, 2019 12:44pm
- sooty
  
  Maggie, you are a cunning old bird, with some witt!
  
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  July 14, 2019 4:25pm
Komata

Jack5@1202

Oh dear, how sad, never mind. After reading the account (and realising we are only getting one side of the story), one wonders what the DAUGHTER had been promised before Mummy changed things.

Whatever that may have been, it would seem that things haven’t quite worked out as she thought they were going to and indeed, that Mama may have had second thoughts. Since someone has to be blamed for whatever transpired and whatever loss was incurred, , the ANZ is as good a target as any.

As there is MONEY invoved, I can’t see this being resolved any
time soon.
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July 14, 2019 1:03pm
RiP NZ

This morning I read the summary of the national Hui held yesterday, esteemed leaders and some among them highly achieving and successful people.
Not one mentioned personal responsibility, that fact they Maori are actually empowered to control the horrific child abuse statistics and therefor disempower the agency charged that in the face of Maori neglect, have to step into salvage something from nothing.
Victim mentality – no social construct or societal framework makes you put an infant in a drier, or causes you to cover these crimes up by a family wall of silence – As it goes – silence is acceptance, start there.
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July 14, 2019 1:23pm
- GoVege
  
  A big problem with Maori and other Polynesian cultures is that anyone who speaks up about serious issues that the powerful (males and older people) want to keep hushed up, is invariably ostracised by the group.
  Women who dare to leave their violent husbands will never be spoken to again by their former friends and family.
  Kids who report abuse will be kicked out of home.
  Nothing gets done because of the fear of rejection.
  And the powerful have it so cushy….due solely to their gender or age…that they ignore the damage going on around them.
  
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  July 14, 2019 3:38pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Gosh! You make Maori and other Polynesian cultures sound like cults!
    
    Can you take the cult out of culture?
    
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    July 14, 2019 6:45pm
    - GoVege
      
      Odakyu: Cults tend to kowtow to one supreme leader.
      In traditional cultures such as Polynesian ones, they dont have the same emphasis on individuals’ rights.
      The group is all-important and anyone who undermines the group or their traditional ways becomes persona non grata.
      Its a pity because in most ways they are very supportive and loving to their families.
      
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      July 14, 2019 9:51pm
- greybeard
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/113975244/mori-students-are-capable–its-the-education-system-thats-broken-principal-says
  
  Here is yet another article on how different these people are supposed to be.
  
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  July 14, 2019 3:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Pretty sure that the writer, a word used loosely here, is the same woman that “comments” very frequently on stuff.
    
    This article is a fair reflection of her limited outlook.
    
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    July 14, 2019 6:13pm
- sooty
  
  What’s going to change after getting more money? Nothing!
  
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  July 14, 2019 4:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “What’s going to change after getting more money? ”
    
    The handbag collection will have a few more Guccis.
    
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    July 14, 2019 6:15pm
Ian Hawthorn

Tommy Robinson was rumoured to have appealed to president Trump for political asylum. He is doing it all wrong. You are supposed to make the appeal for political asylum AFTER first sneaking over the border.
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July 14, 2019 1:38pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Robinson shit the bed with regard to USA back in 2013 by using a false passport to fly to USA (probably because of his previous assault convictions meaning he couldn’t get a visa legally). He got sentenced to 10 months in jail for that.
  
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  July 14, 2019 2:51pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Mr. Robinson should get to the US Embassy in London first.
  
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  July 14, 2019 5:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Or into the US Embassy London!
  
  Or he can try entry at the US Mexico border.
  
  He would be thick enough to give it a go.
  
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  July 14, 2019 5:29pm
Maggie Pie

I had to chip one of new girls at work last night for using the term ‘blow job’.
I told her the rest of us prefer ‘bob on a knob’. Far classier.
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July 14, 2019 1:51pm
- MrTips
  
  Did you inform her of all the nastiness you get from the VD lollipop?
  
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  July 14, 2019 5:28pm
noskire

Paul Joseph Watson on The Collapse of Western Civilization
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July 14, 2019 2:31pm
Jack5

Weren’t politicians a year or two ago claiming it was nonsense that soaring housing sales in Auckland were NOT caused by overseas buying. Looks like they may have been talking bullshit.

From Stuff:

The Government’s foreign buyer ban, an attempt to curb house prices, has seen a significant drop in home ownership by overseas residents. House sales to overseas buyers dropped 81 per cent in the March quarter compared to the same time last year, Statistics New Zealand data shows.
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July 14, 2019 3:47pm
- alloytoo
  
  81% of about 3% is about 2.5% of total sales.
  
  They may have been right.
  
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  July 14, 2019 5:53pm
GoVege

Tommy’s doing it all wrong in more ways than one.
Like Borat, these new immigrants need to be educated that females walking around un-burqa’d, are NOT asking for “sexy-time”.
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July 14, 2019 3:48pm
Steve Todd

Goodness me, John Banks is thinking of running for mayor.

Auckland, a city of 1.6 million people, and those on the Right of politics – the National Party, corporate Auckland, etc. – can’t put up a viable candidate capable of taking on a centrist, ex-Labour politician, without resorting to a washed-up, been-there-done-that, wannabe has-been.

What on earth is the problem?
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July 14, 2019 4:15pm
- Prince
  
  Same in Wgton. ‘Right Wing’ group comprising Glenda Hughes, John Morrison, Bryan Weybourne, Digby Paape.
  Not so much yesterdays men as last century. I was surprised some were still alive.
  They make Winston Peters look positively vibrant.
  
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  July 14, 2019 7:22pm
Jack5

Matt cartoon at the Telegraph: England’s coach tells a batsman:

“We might need a trade deal with New Zealand. For goodness sake don’t beat them.”
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July 14, 2019 5:54pm
Tony Stuart

Right, I had a couple of hours of rest this afternoon, so I’m ready for an all-nighter. I think I’m even more looking forward to this World Cup final than the one in Melbourne four years ago.

Go the mighty Black Caps!
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July 14, 2019 6:02pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Yep, I’m settling in for an all-nighter, too. And yes, I, too, am anticipating this one more than four years ago.
  
  The Aussies have had a fair go. This time, there will be a new country-name on the Cup. Can’t wait to see which one it is.
  
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  July 14, 2019 6:14pm
- noskire
  
  I haven’t been this excited since 29 March 2015.
  
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  July 14, 2019 6:40pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partners having a few of his mates over to stare at their phones later 🙁
  
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  July 14, 2019 6:45pm
greybeard

6pm news on TV3, Sunday.

An article about the use of motels in Rotorua by WINZ who are trying to solve some sort of social housing crisis.

The Rotorua moteliers are rebelling because the WINZ ‘clients’ are not exactly the best people for the motels’ other tourist guests ( no kidding ! ) and are having an adverse effect on the region’s tourist reputation.

Claims of gang-related problems, noisey parties, swearing, general bad behaviour, intimidation etc etc.

But what pissed me off bigtime was the family which TV3 chose and interviewed as their typical and presumably problematic WINZ ‘client’ was a European couple with two little girls.
A family any of us would be happy to have as neighbours.

What a disgraceful , biased and racist piece of TV.
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July 14, 2019 6:26pm
- artemisia
  
  There was the motel owner on the programme fishing a bong and a cleaver out of a wheelie bin. I’m sure it was staged for the camera, but also sure these items were left behind. Probably not by tourists. The owner, who no longer takes WINZ clients, said she has been assaulted.
  
  The mayor’s view appears to be it is the fault of airbnb conversions. Hmmm, maybe because the motels have problematic occupants, so a business opportunity presented itself.
  
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  July 14, 2019 7:01pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”so a business opportunity presented itself”…..
    
    No wonder. There are plenty of motel units left in the country that no self respecting meth freak would voluntarily stay in. Concrete block dumps furnished with sticks of yesterday’s furniture, crap carpets & an indifferent cleaning regime are not uncommon.
    
    Also not uncommon are per night charges of $150 -$175 a night for the same shitholes.
    
    The miserable owners & the scum tenants are a match made in Heaven…….they deserve each other!
    
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    July 14, 2019 8:12pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA …

Meanwhile In China, Beijing Is Losing Control Of The Economy | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-13/meanwhile-china-beijing-losing-control-economy

China Is a Bigger Problem for the Global Economy Than You Think, Rupal Bhansali Says – Barron’s

https://www.barrons.com/articles/china-is-a-bigger-problem-for-the-global-economy-than-you-think-rupal-bhansali-says-51562980078

China ignoring US demand for trade war reform by reinforcing state-directed economic model | South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3018120/china-ignoring-us-demand-trade-war-reform-reinforcing-state
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July 14, 2019 6:28pm
- Cobolt24
  
  …more essential reading…
  New Zealand at risk of a house price crash | Bloomberg
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  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/114227809/new-zealand-at-risk-of-a-house-price-crash-bloomberg
  
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  July 14, 2019 8:41pm
Sacha

I caught one of the Reith Lectures this afternoon on NatRad. Very interesting comments about the place of the legal profession in a democracy, and about compulsory voting – do the people who don’t vote actually matter? How coalitions come about, and how they reflect the society they represent.
Did anyone else hear this?
Comments?
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July 14, 2019 6:31pm
- simpleton1
  
  Considering the judge claiming their “place of the legal profession in a democracy” that there had to be a learned intelligent section in society.
  
  I could not understand that in the compulsion voting concept, that people could if they did not want to vote, was turn up, vote, that would be by making it a “spoilt vote”. The rest of that answer was waffle.
  
  Still Lord Sumption did give an interesting insight into that thinking, and where politics and activism can increase. That for me raises more questions, particularly in “free speech” issues.
  
  Some things of “legalize free speech media control” is touched on here.
  https://ysb.co.nz/aussies-see-it-and-not-us/
  
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  July 14, 2019 7:12pm
rightoverlabour

Please debate this statement> “Acting Canterbury District Commander Mike Johnson called the event a “great success” and thanked the gun owners for their support.”
I’d suggest the lack of turnout indicates that they are not going to get too many more….
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July 14, 2019 8:52pm
Rich Prick

Bugger!! But what a game.
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