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Tony Stuart

A couple of thoughts on Sunday night’s Cricket World Cup match-up between England and New Zealand at Lord’s. Whatever the outcome, there will be a first-time winner of the trophy, and that’s got to be a good thing. And whatever the outcome, both New Zealand and England will finish ahead of Mitre10 Australia.

There IS a god!
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July 12, 2019 8:05am
- calendar girl
  
  Agreed, KS. The only disappointment is that there is one English player, Roy, who should not be playing in the Final following his unsportsmanlike reaction to an umpire’s decision after England had used up its quota of decision reviews:
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12248886
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:21am
  - Littletramp
    
    There are a couple of perspectives that could be considered here. firstly, I agree that his display was wrong, he has been punished and accepted the punishment as they have a set of rules and everyone knows what they are before the game starts. The poms got it wrong appealing the LBW decision early on and therefore having no recourse when they really needed it. The real drama would have occurred if England had of lost the match and that umpiring decision come under close scrutiny – it was a shocker. Thankfully all’s well that ends well and we move on. Lessons learned all round.
    
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    July 12, 2019 8:47am
    - calendar girl
      
      That’s a very fair perspective, LT. My concern about such egregious behaviour towards an umpire remains, however, given that the batsman being fined one-third of his match fee for the day was trite punishment for such behaviour. I just hope that Roy has since approached the umpire, in person, to present his sincere apologies for his aggressive outburst towards him on the field.
      
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      July 12, 2019 9:34am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And correspondingly I hope that the umpire has presented his sincere apologies to Roy for his ineptitude in preventing Roy from reaching his century.
        
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        July 12, 2019 11:39am
- hullkiwi
  
  I don’t know Tony, I don’t think there is a sports God. If you live in England for any period of time,you would know the English are every bit as arrogant about their sportsmen/teams and their chances for success. So, you end up in the ABE (Anyone But England) camp. To the extent you will support the Wallabies or the Boks against England. They have the biggest and best Premier League….etc.
  
  So it is with their cricket, over the past 30 years, it has had moments of brilliance, but for the most part they have been dire.
  
  And so to Sunday….can they win on home soil?
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:28am
  - wreck1080
    
    I think the english were worse than the aussies when it comes to sporting arrogance!
    
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    July 12, 2019 8:59am
    - Colville
      
      the Poms (rugby) are the only team I have ever see do a lap of victory after a draw!
      
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      July 12, 2019 5:31pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    I agree with “Anyone but England”. They are the most insufferable when they win and it’s a genuine pleasure reading what their media say about them when they lose.
    
    I’ve always thought NZ and Australia should have more of a sibling relationship – intensely competitive when we play each other but supportive when we play other people.
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:03am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      We may, they don’t.
      
      The Australians are great competitors, terrible sportsmen and insufferable winners.
      
      Their sporting skill and presence is world beating but, they cheat when they don’t have to.
      
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      July 12, 2019 9:12am
      - Sir Leslie Bottocks
        
        I dunno about that, NZers can be almost as arrogant, even more insufferable, and often outright abusive when they achieve a little unexpected success in such events or sporting contests. At least judging by some of the comments on social media sites such as this. Although to be fair these sites are often not a totally accurate representation and tend to attract the more loud types.
        
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        July 12, 2019 9:32am
- Scott
  
  Yes Tony Stuart there is a God. And he lives in Godzone country – New Zealand. And I do believe that many will join me in prayer, whether you be devoutly Christian or nominal or something else, to pray for our batsmen in particular and most especially for the usually awesome Martin Guptill. We do pray that he can smash out a dominant innings. If he, Lord God, could score 100 that would be most awesome! Can I hear an amen?
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:27am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Amen, amen and AMEN!
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:32am
- Sir Leslie Bottocks
  
  except there are no prizes for second!
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:34am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Our Minister of Sport will be getting ready for a great photo opportunity. I wonder if Gwant is heading over to Lords
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:39am
  - sooty
    
    Does a bear shit in the woods?
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:19am
  - MCos
    
    Chris Bishop and some other parliamentarians are already there. Although last I heard they didn’t have tickets to the game.
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:30am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      There’ll be plenty of Australians and Indians looking to offload their tickets to the highest bidder!
      
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      July 12, 2019 12:15pm
      - MCos
        
        I saw an Indian guy on tv waving a couple of tear stained tickets he’d bought a year ago. Bish & the boys could have snapped them up.
        
        I went to see our plucky chaps pummel the poms in Wellington in 2015. Behind us were a bunch of rowdy Indians in Blackcap jerseys. Maybe some of their mates at Lords will do the same.
        
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        July 12, 2019 1:28pm
      - Colville
        
        MCos.
        No worse than a lot of NZers heading into the final of the RWC 2007 after being handed the arse card by the 16 man French team in Cardiff in the semis.
        I was there with my tear stained finals tickets!
        (but still went and watched)
        
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        July 12, 2019 5:34pm
  - Paulus
    
    Is the RNZAF B757 being prepared to fly “Shhhh” you know who from Raro to London ?
    Its a secret though.
    
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    July 12, 2019 1:29pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Nope, too busy trying to make another baby.
      
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      July 12, 2019 7:50pm
- BrownSnake
  
  Let this be a lesson to those who scratch their balls
  too frequently
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:34pm
krazykiwi

Mrs KK, while chopping walnuts this morning: “You can tell these are good for your brain. They even look like a brain. Hey, what’s for dinner?”
Me: Sausages
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July 12, 2019 8:05am
Nostradamus

Man drove 100km to steal women’s undies, court told

Stephieboy has previously expressed an interest in Maggy’s underwear collection. Did he drive from St Lukes to “borrow” some underwear from Maggy’s clothesline? 🙂
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July 12, 2019 8:14am
hullkiwi

What a surprise, NOT!

A Christchurch GP who specializes in pain relief and has analysed studies into medicinal cannabis tells RNZ (Morning Report 12/07/2019) what was probably well known to most people. Medicinal cannabis does not relieve pain and is not better that manufactured pharmaceuticals. In his words those hoping that medicinal cannabis will be a panacea to their pain will be disappointed.

What a surprise not. Anyone listening to the debate would not learn about any benefits, and would understand it was all about getting cannabis on the streets via the back door of medicine. Like a lot of things that pass for “government” in contemporary NZ, the medicinal cannabis debate is a lie.
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July 12, 2019 8:16am
- oldgolfer
  
  Important information for would-be investors – and voters.
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:23am
- Scott
  
  Hullkiwi – the debate on medical marijuana appeared to revolve around a few sad cases of people who said that they couldn’t get relief from the pain apart from smoking cannabis. If it is shown that they can get relief from the pain from manufactured pharmaceuticals then what is the case for medical marijuana?
  
  I would agree that it appears to be a Trojan horse for the full introduction of big marijuana as a decriminalised industry. Given the problems in Colorado with big marijuana selling marijuana gummy bears that find their way into the hands of children, we should be more wise here in New Zealand.
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:30am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Scott, the downticks suggest we have some trolls out there who don’t want proper debate!
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:02am
    - Rob2
      
      the only debate that you want seems to be that your arguments are sacrosanct and anyone disagreeing is wrong and not to be listened to. We don’t need censorship when we have that attitude. You will do well on FB.
      
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      July 12, 2019 10:51am
      - hullkiwi
        
        So Rob2, where is your debate? Do you have evidence by way of peer reviewed studies to prove the benefits of medicinal cannabis? Or is it as Scott and I contend, a disingenuous proposal using “medical benefits” of cannabis as a means of providing “pain relief” really a trojan horse for legitimizing cannabis use in NZ?
        
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        July 12, 2019 12:56pm
  - Fletch
    
    Isn’t it only the (male? female?) version of the drug that gets you high anyway? It’s possible to be prescribed the version that takes away pain but doesn’t get you high, isn’t it?
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:22am
    - sooty
      
      Open it up to every user, NO.
      Never, unless you bring in roadside testing!
      
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      July 12, 2019 10:23am
  - MCos
    
    I have never tried medicinal marijuana nor do I know anyone who has, but I’ve certainly read about people who swear by the stuff.
    So who’s to be believed, the expert or the layperson.
    
    Our society is choker block full of such conundrums
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:47am
- srylands
  
  A couple of years back I was in terrible chronic pain. In desperation I tried cannabis. Did nothing. I consulted many doctors. Nothing worked and they gave up.
  
  In desperation I had a Skype consult with a pain specialist in America. He told me to go to my GP and insist on being prescribed a drug called gabapentin. A week later the pain was gone. Shortly after I quit the gabapentin. All fixed.
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:35am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Pain is perceived and mediated through several pathways. The GABA system is one of them. GABA can also be pleasure inducing.
    
    We are immeasurably complex; even nitrous oxide can be involved. Some of the pain we sense is the internal chemical messengers hurrying up the healing. Inflammation itself is a complex process.
    
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    July 12, 2019 11:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I’ve had a look at the literature on THC/CBD in case it was any use in our therapeutic range of products.
  
  The “medical” version, CBD, is the alcohol variant of THC. CBD is reported as having anti-inflammatory properties. That is very common with plant essential oils. Standardised lab tests on Sprague-Dawley rats measure those affects and CBD does not rate as particularly significant. OTC products work better.
  
  I am waiting to test CBD as a possible massage oil. I won’t consider it at its present price. What we have already developed using traditional healing oils is cheap, safe and extraordinarily effective. I can now walk again.
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:53am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s no surprise that people in pain feel better after using cannabis. After all, people not in pain also feel better after using cannabis.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:04am
  - SGA
    
    You could say the same about opioids, so, in and of itself, I’m not sure that observation helps the debate?
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:15am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      It explains why anecdotes are no substitute for scientific studies, when trying to determine what pain relief works best.
      
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      July 12, 2019 9:32am
      - Rob2
        
        Plenty of very bad scientific studies been promoted vis the pharmaceutical industry.
        
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        July 12, 2019 10:53am
  - mark15
    
    Winner!
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:23am
- theoldbloke
  
  Oh dear oh dear. One swallow does not a summer make.
  One GP’s “”review”” of reports, may not be the answer. For those old enough refer to the Uri Geller effect. He could magically bend spoons!!
  
  I did a quick search thru academia and found some reports that would not agree with the good Doctor.
  
  There is more to understand about this topic than one man’s opinion.
  Note: Neverr had Cannabis in any shape or form but trying to keep an open mind. And yes I do know users. None to me seem physcotic or deranged in any way shape or form.
  
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  July 12, 2019 5:50pm
Bill felt

Hey everyone. I am enjoying the short holiday break from Ardern!
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July 12, 2019 8:17am
- srylands
  
  Are you in the Cook Islands?
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Disappointed in the lack of lies in the last few days?
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:56am
  - Happychappy
    
    Steve O. You obviously don’t take interest in Ron Mark as it looks like he is setting up Defence Force Land for housing. Run down and neglected Property that is no fit for purpose, and a easy way for NZ First to collectthe vote from those that Phil Twyford and Jacinda have neglected.
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:18am
    - G152
      
      But he wants to move the Air Force base as the developers are complaining about the noise.
      The ‘noise’ has been there since WW2, the developers since yedsterday
      
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      July 12, 2019 9:36am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      On the contrary HC. Most New Zealanders will ridicule Ron Mark for siding with a NIMBY property developer who bought land adjacent to an Air Force base, not thinking it might be noisy.
      
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      July 12, 2019 9:38am
      - Sacha
        
        AND the people who bought the developer’s product.
        
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        July 12, 2019 9:55am
      - Jack5
        
        Tony’s right on the Mark.
        
        It’s an old ploy. You buy residential land that’s cheap because of the noise of adjacent airports, quarries, showgrounds, even gun clubs.
        
        You wait a year or two then begin the campaign to close down the activity “because it’s a nuisance”. You organise letters to the local rags, and get residents to form protest groups. You lobby the council, and gullible politicians.
        
        When the authorities finally close down the noisy activity, the value of your land leaps.
        
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        July 12, 2019 10:04am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Anyone who has driven past Whenuapai recently will have a strong sense that it’s days are numbered. There is just way too much development around the base for any other conclusion.
        With the P8’s going to Ohakea and a future second runway at Auckland International, the case for retention looks pretty weak. The Auckland component of the RNZAF could be easily accommodated at AIA. A pretty common practise overseas, including Frankfurt.
        
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        July 12, 2019 10:27am
    - Rob2
      
      Good job. Get the money back into taxpayers hands. Spend it on hospitals and roads.
      Times have changed. No reason for that base in Auckland.
      
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      July 12, 2019 10:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The man is not to be trusted. Ex SAS???
      
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      July 12, 2019 12:16pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m certainly enjoying the break from her concerned mug and mangled (but ever so caring) annunciation.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:10am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Annunciation…..
    Good Lord, whatever are the archangels up to with our PM?
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:17am
    - Rich Prick
      
      God damn autocorrect, even it thinks Cindy is just heavenly.
      
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      July 12, 2019 9:23am
mandk

I admire Sharron Davies for saying this, but I expect she will be pilloried for doing so.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/11/transgender-athletes-womens-sport-unfair-east-german-drugs-cheats/

I wonder, though, if the advantage that trans-female athletes (faux females) have over biological female athletes is even greater than the advantage that doped athletes have over clean athletes.
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July 12, 2019 8:22am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

…..and a little sister for Neve in April next year! How lucky we are. Wonder if this will be before or after the “First Marriage” ™
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July 12, 2019 8:23am
- srylands
  
  Seriously?
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:36am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    you heard it here first, and how more reliable a source than a former deity!
    
    Bwuhahahaha
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:12am
Chuck Bird

The Dow just went over 27,000. Thank you, Mr President.
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July 12, 2019 8:26am
- secondcumming
  
  You going short or long from this point Chuck?
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:47am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I am gradually switching from shares to syndicated commercial property to increase my income and have my certainty in the medium term.
    
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    July 12, 2019 8:54am
    - All_on_Red
      
      How easy is it to exit from those Syndicates?
      
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      July 12, 2019 9:12am
      - geoff3012
        
        Not very……better options
        
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        July 12, 2019 9:23am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        It is a lot easier than it used to be by using Syndex.
        
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        July 12, 2019 9:38am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Long at how the US 10-year bond interest rate has plummeted in the last couple of months.
  No one dares raise interest rates.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:01am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I seeing a lot of comment about Europe having a Eurodollar shortage.
    Lots of leveraged positions but against very little actual dollars held.
    Crunch coming perhaps.
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:14am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I hope you can cash out as quickly. You have to enjoy risk taking and be able continue to live regardless to take a position at present.
  
  Values have gone crazy but the price to be paid for the ultimate re-adjustment is horrendous.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:02am
- tf78
  
  When Trump took over it was around 17,000 – hasn’t he and his followers done well.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:03am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Funded by unsustainable levels of debt. Not that the Donks are any better.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:06am
Happychappy

I want to know how Labour could make a issue on Social Welfare benifits when National were in power about not getting the payments they wer entitled to and the staff at Winz not doing their jobs right when now the queues start at 2.am inthe morning to get consultants to fight for what they are entitled to receive. How could this caring Government that is intent on fleecing hard working families of their needed dollars in tax to give to those that don’t work make worse mistakes than those the blame con the public into thinking they had fixed the problems by increasing benefits by millions of dollars.
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July 12, 2019 8:26am
- WaveyDavey
  
  I’m still waiting for a response from one or more of the usual suspects here as to why they believe that it’s right that I have to work harder year-on-year so that the nephs can get annual pay rises for sitting on the couch.
  
  I won’t hold my breath.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:25am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    *checks watch* 6 hours and none of them willing to engage.
    
    Well I’m flabbergasted.
    
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    July 12, 2019 3:27pm
- Liberty
  
  “queues start at 2.am”
  
  While the more than equal Comrades are sunning themselves on some tropical island.
  
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  July 12, 2019 12:04pm
Lance

Justin Lester has been expressing a desire for Wellington to have have it’s own Auckland Transport…………………………

Don’t do it Wellington!
AT is universally loathed, they make Nazi’s look like free spirits with a vision to drive all Aucklanders out of their cars.
And that’s the mild version, the truth of my opinion of this blight on humanity wouldn’t get past the moderator.
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July 12, 2019 8:28am
- igm
  
  Anyone who uses the road to Island Bay will tell you WCC hate motorists . . . there is no other explanation for this debacle.
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:53am
  - Rich Prick
    
    What’s worse is having to share what’s left of the road with cyclists and scooter riders who refuse to use their dedicated ~~playground~~ cycleway.
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:14am
    - Sacha
      
      I hope all drivers are using their horns to alertcyclists and scooter riders of their presence. Wellington could become a very ‘musical’ city, lol.
      
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      July 12, 2019 10:00am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I feel your pain. Take Oriental Bay for example. The road is being narrowed, and the footpath widened. Cyclists using the footpath are expected to deal with kids darting left/right, dogs on rollaway leashes who dash off for a pee, oncoming traffic which is not regulated to keep left. This expanded area is suitable for kids on trikes, not me on a $10k bike travelling at >30km/h. It simply isn’t safe, and it’s now less safe on the road given how much less space there is to share.
      
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      July 12, 2019 10:15am
    - srylands
      
      I’ll say it again. Turned a wide safe road into a narrow dangerous road.
      
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      July 12, 2019 10:31am
    - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
      
      when you say scooter, do you mean moped?
      if not, carry on 🙂
      
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      July 12, 2019 10:50am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Hipsters and kids on Flamingo scooters.
        
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        July 12, 2019 12:15pm
      - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
        
        yeah, well… can’t disagree. I’ve yet to see anyone using them responsibly
        
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        July 12, 2019 12:58pm
- hullkiwi
  
  I’m with you Lance and I work in the transport industry. AT needs a complete political deconstruction, broken down and rebuilt.
  
  It is a bottomless money pit, with the aid of Auckland Council AT is on track to bankrupt and fleece Aucklanders.
  
  It has no strategy, other to want more of everything.
  
  It has poor and unqualified leadership. The leadership instead is completely political. Instead of telling interfering councillors to get lost with waste of money proposals, they embrace them. The leadership respond more favourably to political lobby groups than the real needs of Aucklanders, hence you get redevelopment of shopping areas as occured in West Lynn.
  
  So, if Wellington wants to bankrupt itself, let Lester urge Wellingtonions to embrace a “Wellington Transport”.
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:58am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Wellington’s too crowded now to allow free transport movement.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:05am
- srylands
  
  Lester is actually useful. If he suggests something you can be fairly sure that the polar opposite is your best place to start.
  
  In my opinion, there is only one politician even more useful in that role. She is also prodigious in her opinions. You can just check her twitter feed and say “Right we should do the exact opposite.” 🙂
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:28am
septic skeptic

Just drove Vienna to Salzburg. Most of the way it’s 6 lanes, trucks in the slow lane, 140 kph in the middle lane and the fast lane for overtaking.
Didn’t have to drive through any towns on the way. What else needs saying?
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July 12, 2019 8:32am
- freemark
  
  Did the same trip in reverse. (Well not in reverse gear, but you know what I mean ?) about 7 weeks ago. I agree – more motorways and less speed limits is what we need here. If we get that, I’m happy for more bike lanes.
  
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  July 12, 2019 8:45am
  - MCos
    
    Plus about fifty million more taxpayers.
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:55am
    - Tall Man
      
      Not the reason.
      
      Population and roads have some connection although Australia is a little different.
      
      No more dole, pay the money to a roading company who can build the roads we need and employ the shitheads and give them a shovel. No work… no dole.
      
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      July 12, 2019 2:03pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Try overlaying a map of your journey onto a map of New Zealand and have a look at the population densities of your compared areas. One of these countries has a lot more wealth and human resource per square and per linear km than the other. This matters for infrastructure affordability.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:04am
  - srylands
    
    Yes you are right but we can surely have better than we have.
    
    The other thing about driving in Austria and Germany (and even Australia) is that the standard of driving is much higher on these roads. You don’t have arseholes hogging the fast lane at 90 kmh. They would have a Ferrari up their arse if they were not arrested beforehand. Until New Zealanders are much better drivers there is no way you could allow them to drive at 140 here. You would have bro on P doing 140 in a 20 year old Mazda Familia. No thanks.
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:35am
- theoldbloke
  
  You do understand that all the Open roads in Germany & Austria were started by the Dictator with the funny moustache and the funny saluting crowd.
  
  Guess Jacinda could have a black patch painted on and the Oil & Gas Industry killers could do the funny salute?
  
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  July 12, 2019 6:05pm
Maggie Pie

Polly is one of my twitter besties based in Washington.
She’s all over the ‘Jeffery Epstein’ saga like bird shit on a shiny car.
Can you believe this convicted pedofile wants to be bailed to his $50 million mansion? It was actually a crime scene!
And all this despite having been labeled a worst-of-the-worst Level 3 sex offender 🙁

https://twitter.com/dcpoll/status/1149353172466569216
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July 12, 2019 8:43am
- mark15
  
  What money can do eh?
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Exactly!
    Imagine he had been a Maori from Murupara.
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1149419064772767745/f8mtZPhu?format=jpg&name=900×900
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:28am
  - The King
    
    Cool it with the anti-Semitism there buddy.
    
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    July 12, 2019 12:56pm
kowtow

Crazy Chuck .

‘The Prince of Wales has warned global leaders they have 18 critical months to solve climate change and restore the balance of nature, ensuring the survival of the human race’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/07/11/18-months-save-world-prince-charles-urges-commonwealth-leaders/
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July 12, 2019 8:44am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Inbreeding certainly does result in some bizarre thinking.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:00am
  - stephieboy
    
    Captain Mainwaring, didn’t you know that a joint non-partisan parliamentary committee will declare Climate denial a mental illness.
    
    And the US President will undoubtedly concur!
    
    Donald Trump Called Climate Change a Hoax. Now He’s Awkwardly Boasting About Fighting It,
    
    https://time.com/5622374/donald-trump-climate-change-hoax-event/?utm_source=time.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-brief&utm_content=2019070911am&xid=newsletter-brief
    
    LOL!
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not sure “thinking” was involved here……
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:28am
    - sooty
      
      To think, one day he will be King!
      
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      July 12, 2019 10:30am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Not if his indestructible mother outlives him.
        
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        July 12, 2019 11:07am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Kowtow, Lord Christopher Monckton is without peer,
  
  http://hot-topic.co.nz/monckton-is-a-fraud/
  
  LOL!
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:11am
- Rich Prick
  
  Perhaps he should stick to what he knows best, talking to buildings and squeezing his plums.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:26am
- krazykiwi
  
  Really can’t stand Charlie. He is a pompous waste of space, and the though of him becoming our sovereign makes be re-question my loyalty to our monarchistic system.
  
  His father once said:
  
  “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:27am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The beauty of a monarchy is that we don’t have to bother with considering whether the incumbent is suitable for the role. No need to speculate on who would make a better King or Queen, just tug one’s forelock and get on with life.
    
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    July 12, 2019 9:57am
  - Rob2
    
    That old Kraut would have that mojo. Still, he hasn’t stepped off yet and left us with
    Charlie.
    
    Perhaps he should be talking to his other sister in population control, Mother Merkle.
    
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    July 12, 2019 11:03am
- kloyd0306
  
  There is no doubt that Charles sits down to pee.
  
  Also, his son Harry no longer wears pants.
  
  Liz, at 92, is likely stronger than both of them.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner sits down to pee. He went to the Medical Center about his sore back and the doctor told him not to lift anything heavy.
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:04am
    - Rob2
      
      It’s long been well known that many native tribesmen hung weights from their penises in an attempt to make them bigger.
      So today’s lesson for you Maggie,
      is: take the bloody weights of and stop embarrassing him.
      :Lol::lol:
      
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      July 12, 2019 11:06am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Then maybe his offspring and hang ons should stop breeding
  
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  July 12, 2019 3:54pm
Yvette

Big Tobacco targeting Māori with e-cigarettes
The new product is the IQOS … it’s a hybrid between an e-cigarette and a traditional cigarette, which heats the tobacco rather than burns it. Philip Morris claims the process reduces the harm by about 90 percent, although experts spoken to for this investigation say the harm could eventually prove to be comparable to conventional smoking.

Philip Morris is targeting Māori in its bid to sell IQOS. It is running marketing campaigns at marae and other places with high Māori and Pasifika populations, sending people [including those who are Maori] to promote IQOS and offer discount deals. The company calls them ‘community activations’ or ‘community outreaches’.

The New Zealand government Cabinet paper quotes a British Medical Association study rejecting a gateway effect and notes that in this country smoking has continued to decline while vaping has increased.

But independent data from Italy … [indicates] close to half the 740,000 Italians who tried IQOS were never smokers, according to a study by the Institute for Pharmacological Research in Milan, published in the Tobacco Control journal last year. The researchers also found that of the 1.2 million Italians who said they were keen to try IQOS in the future, about half were non-smokers, raising fears “IQOS may create new nicotine addicted generations”.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/big-tobacco-targeting-māori-with-e-cigarettes/ar-AAE8KPS

The above item also mentions that in New Zealand, each year 5,000 people die of smoking-related diseases.
So March 15 to now: around 1,630 smoking related deaths if approximations are reliable enough at least for some perspective.

Is targeting Maori, and in particular younger Maori women, just serving a potential market or is it some sort of vile racial profiling?
Is it a matter for the new Race Relations Commissioner, now that after a year there is one?

And how does this issue relate to Waitangi Tribunal Report HAUORA (Was 2575) on Maori health – that the Crown has acted inconsistently with the Treaty principles of partnership, participation and (particularly) protection?

Or the practice of rahui – a prohibition against a particular area or activity, typically one in force temporarily in order to protect a resource [if Maori women, in particular, are a resource or taonga?]
Who has the authority to call a rahui on smoking and who would regard true tradition to obey one?

Or self-determination. How would Maori themselves change this issue if the principle of a rah would fail what other approach, apart from labels would change their approach – just as what changes any item of the recent so-called “Wellbeing Budget”, from any particular item that was in the previous 2018 Budget. supposedly all considered then too to exist for the well-being and advancement of New Zealanders.

And returning to Phillip Morris aspirations to help make this a healthier country – in New Zealand, Smokefree in 2025, will cigarettes still be manufactured in Petone for export across the Tasman to kill Australians?

And, so, legalising cannabis for smoking … ?
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July 12, 2019 8:55am
- Jack5
  
  ?This time, both Pakeha and Maori are into smoking heads.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:34am
  - sooty
    
    Well aussie sent over one to kill 51.
    so we return the favor and kill more!
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:32am
- Inandout
  
  ‘Piri piri morete’ for Phillip Morris, saviour of the taonga.
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:20am
Maxx

Another review of NZDF land and facilities.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/07/12/678892/military-land-review-a-pgf-from-the-nzdf

I don’t see why the Navy and Air Force need seperate facilities and why they couldn’t have joint facilities with a civilian facility. With the talk this week about regional airports needing attention, and NZF looking to buy votes with Northland, you couldn’t have Whenuapi operations co-habitated with one or two of the regional airports and naval facilities operating out of NorthPort. Obviously there is still a need to have secure facilities but they can do this in other parts of the world, why is NZ different?
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July 12, 2019 9:14am
- Jack5
  
  Maxx, Christchurch Airport has long been used as a base for Antarctic Support by the Americans. First transport planes of the United States Navy and now of the United States Air Force. They have base facilities there.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:32am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Blenheim is similar with the Woodbourne base.
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:28am
- Evadne
  
  What really annoys me is the developer who bought cheap land next to Whenuapai air base, knowing it was next to an air base, and was cheap exactly because it was next to an air base — and now has the gall to complain about noise pollution affecting values and amenity, and wants restrictions on flying.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:40am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    the airforce has been “just about to” move from Whenuapai to Ohakea for 20 years.
    
    Here’s a hint, the flyboys think that the Manawatu is a shithole. They don’t want to go, and they are fairly smart.
    
    The last time i think they got the bill for the shift to over $250m before government gave up….
    
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    July 12, 2019 11:35am
Hugh Pavletich

… UNITED STATES …

Skyrocketing home prices fueled by increase in land cost, says Harvard University study – Washington Times

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/9/skyrocketing-home-prices-fueled-by-increase-in-lan/

Skyrocketing U.S. home prices, which have surpassed bubble levels of 2005-06, are being driven by a dramatic increase in the cost of residential land, according to Harvard University’s Joint Center for Housing Studies.

From 2012 to 2017, the median price per acre of residential land for existing single-family homes nationwide jumped 27%, from $159,800 to $203,000, researchers say. Such increases are fueling an affordability crisis for first-time home buyers and renters, with new home construction struggling to “barely keep pace” with the number of new households.

Compounding the sluggishness in housing construction is a tight labor market, excess housing supply built up in the boom before the Great Recession and “most significantly” regulatory constraints on development, according to Harvard’s “State of the Nation’s Housing 2019” report.

“These [regulatory] constraints, largely imposed at the local level, raise costs and limit the number of homes that can be built in places where demand is highest,” said Chris Herbert, managing director of the Joint Center for Housing Studies. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Definition Of An Affordable Housing Market – Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Access Harvard study …

https://www.jchs.harvard.edu/state-nations-housing-2019
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July 12, 2019 9:21am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Sydney’s apartment market in crisis as faults proliferate – MacroBusiness Australia
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/07/sydneys-apartment-market-crisis-faults-proliferate/
  
  Sydney’s apartment market is in crisis after a series of high profile structural faults have been reported at major apartment complexes.
  
  The problems began last year over concerns that thousands of apartments across the city might be infested with flammable cladding, similar to that which sent London’s Grenfell Tower into a towering inferno last year, killing dozens.
  
  Sentiment took another hit when on Christmas Eve, residents of the newly built Opal Tower were evacuated after severe structural faults were discovered in the buildings foundations.
  
  Last month, the situation worsened when residents of the 12-year old Mascot Tower were evacuated after severe cracking sent soundwaves across the complex. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:38am
  - Inandout
    
    HP, aside from your signalling I can attest that many Sydney construction staff are brought from India and the Phillipines. They speak little English and have to be shown the basic building skills, and as far as driving earth moving machines or rollers; forget it. My relative is a kiwi, spoke English, and was adept at using machinery ($48 an hour), but this use of rubbish labour eventually caused him to return to NZ. Sydney buildings are just one example of a disaster in the waiting.
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:28am
    - MCos
      
      A lot of those problems as listed above are nothing to do with whether the labourers can speak English, but cost cutting and poor quality control.
      
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      July 12, 2019 11:03am
      - Tall Man
        
        “but cost cutting and poor quality control”
        
        By people who can’t speak English?
        
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        July 12, 2019 1:55pm
- cmm
  
  Anyone that speaks of “US house prices” is being rather silly.
  
  Some areas have low and reasonably stable prices. Some have rocketing prices. It varies from state to state.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:40am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … NEW ZEALAND …
    
    The housing market continues to hibernate over winter, with sales volumes at five year lows and prices flat in Auckland and inching higher elsewhere – REINZ Report … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/100670/housing-market-continues-hibernate-over-winter-sales-volumes-five-year-lows-and
    
    The housing market is continuing to crawl along in low gear with the number of properties sold hitting a five year low in June.
    
    According to the REINZ there were 5978 homes sold throughout the country in June, down 3.8% compared to June last year and the lowest number of sales in the month of June for five years.
    
    In Auckland, the country’s largest real estate market, June sales were down 3.2% compared to a year ago and were at their lowest level for the month of June since 2010. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    https://reinz.co.nz/residential-property-data-gallery
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:33am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Property market turnover slows but economists tip price pick-up
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114191892/property-market-turnover-slows-but-economists-tip-price-pickup
      
      Paulson (Pavletich) comment on thread …
      
      Expect significant lifts in sorely needed new house production going forward, as the government belatedly deals head on with the structural impediments to increasingly affordable new supply … urban limits abolition / land supply and proper debt financing of infrastructure.
      
      Remarkably … the New Zealand media failed to report that new dwelling construction consents for May were … on a population basis … much higher in New Zealand than Australia.
      
      Compare the Statistics NZ and Australian Bureau of Statistics May consenting numbers … and express them based on population using the standard industry measure ‘dwelling approval rate per 1000 population per annum’ … remarkably 9 / 1000 pop pa for NZ and 7 / 1000 pop pa for Aust.
      
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      July 12, 2019 1:52pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Hugh, for fuck’s sake, doesn’t anyone go to your own site?
        If this is the case work out why and bloody well fix it.
        
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        July 12, 2019 7:59pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Money always finds a home. The excessive global credit creation will find its way into land prices too. The availability of land is independent of its price-value is independent of price too.
  
  It’s easy to blame everything else than an excess of cheap money created out of thin air.
  
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  July 12, 2019 11:42am
Jack5

?? Four years after the surge of refugees into Europe began, the Swedish welfare state is under pressure from the population surge.

This is highlighted in an article in the New York Times that you may be able to access without paying if you haven’t used your free monthly quota. It’s relevant to New Zealand, as we have one of the highest immigration rates in the OECD and our soaring population is putting pressure on health, education, prison services and general infrastructure.

Over the last two decades, the share of foreign-born people has risen from 11 per cent of the Swedish population to 19 per cent. (In New Zealand, just as immigration was beginning to blow out, the proportion of the population born overseas was 27 per cent.)

The New York Times cites as an example the town of Filipstad, population “nearly 11,000”.

Problems in Filipstad from population pressure include refugee families of five and more packed into apartments built for two. Schools with concerns from students missing class to hunger; violent crime and drug use both increasing.

The article says:

“… the endurance of the Nordic model has long depended on two crucial elements — the public’s willingness to pay some of the highest taxes on Earth, and the understanding that everyone is supposed to work. The state ensures that working-age people are prepared with the skills for high-wage jobs, in industries like technology and advanced manufacturing.
“Sweden’s sharp influx of immigrants — the largest of any European nation, as a share of the overall population — directly tests this proposition.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/11/business/sweden-economy-immigration.html
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July 12, 2019 9:23am
- Rich Prick
  
  That model cannot continue with an so many third worlders who will never work. I imagine it will fall apart inside five years. If they stick with it, socialism will ensure that everyone will be equally miserable.
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:57am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yep, sooner or later, socialism as practised in Europe, Canada and Australasia for over 80 years, will fall apart.
    
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    July 12, 2019 10:38am
    - The King
      
      Yeah but thank god we defeated Hitler.
      
      [Boomer laugh]
      
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      July 12, 2019 1:00pm
Fletch

For Stranger Things fans, the Hopper, p.i parody intro –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ILTNsXi_7k

You just knew someone was going to do it… lol
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July 12, 2019 9:24am
Jack5

Time to take genetics into consideration when comparing health state of the races of New Zealand.

An interesting article has been on Stuff for a couple of days, reprinted from the Listener, a publication some of us find too far Left.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/114131886/busting-the-fat-myths-how-new-research-will-revolutionise-mori-and-pacific-health
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July 12, 2019 9:41am
- Inandout
  
  Jack5, the people in the photos have good teeth, and most have come from a privileged background, so are theorist academics. But the Listener?
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:35am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The study seems to ignore culture.
  
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  July 12, 2019 11:44am
  - GoVege
    
    Until Polynesians stop equating eating with love and hospitality, they’ll stay fat.
    And stop patronizing fast food joints.
    
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    July 12, 2019 1:41pm
mikenmildagain

I caught the tail-end of an interview with Dr Paul Wood on Radio New Zealand two weeks ago and decided to buy his book. It is a remarkable story.

Paul Wood was 18 when he murdered a drug-dealing friend in Wellington. He spent the next 11 years in prison. By the time he was released, he
had completed a master of arts degree and had started studying towards a doctorate in psychology. But much more important than his academic progress was his mental and moral journey.

The book is divided into chapters that describe his life before and during prison, but is interspersed with brief but cogent explanations of
his approach to examining, and changing, beliefs about oneself and the world. Those were very hard lessons for Paul Wood to learn, and the
account of his time behind bars makes clear the enormous barriers that lie between most prisoners and the opportunity to lead a better life.

Paul Wood was a lucky man. He was able to find the mental resources to examine his life, and the resolve to change it. Crucially, he was supported
at critical times by family. Support is, theoretically, available to any prisoner, but in practical terms is often denied by the combination of drugs, gangs, administrative whims, and, most crucially, by the need for
individuals to overcome the adversities which in so many cases have become the norms for their world.

Highly recommended.
https://www.paperplus.co.nz/book/how-to-escape-from-prison-9781775541196
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July 12, 2019 10:02am
- All_on_Red
  
  Sounds a good story
  It’s great when people can do that
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:52am
- Rob2
  
  Would not get 11 years today. Probably community service.
  
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  July 12, 2019 11:10am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I know Paul. Have worked with him professionally. Very smart, very good operator.
  
  Great dad too!
  
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  July 12, 2019 11:37am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It was a great read. It was a little bit of a puzzle, how his famly situation let him get so far off the rails, especially considering how supportive his father was later in life.
    The infinite variety of the human condition, perhaps.
    
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    July 12, 2019 2:36pm
Prince

Beauden Barrett to the Blues.
Something to do with his wife living there.
Interesting. If I was a senior partner earning $5M a year in a successful law firm in Wgton, then married an Auckland girl, would she expect I move to a failing law firm in her home town ? Unlikely.
I suspect NZ Rugby has sweetened the deal to prop up the perennial cellar-dweller franchise in our biggest market.
This press release is rather more pointed than usual.
https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/news/article/hurricanes-disappointed-to-lose-beauden-barrett/
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July 12, 2019 10:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s good to move the players around. NZ rugby could perhaps operate a draft-style system allocating the All Blacks to a various provinces and super franchises.
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:40am
  - Prince
    
    Not surprising a socialist would think like that. Equal outcomes etc, regardless of the managerial quality in each franchise.
    
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    July 12, 2019 5:18pm
- MCos
  
  I would suggest his income is much the same playing for the Blues.
  Apart from that the weather is considerably better in Auckland and the buses run on time
  
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  July 12, 2019 11:19am
  - Prince
    
    I doubt he travels by bus, but he’ll need to buy a raincoat.
    
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    July 12, 2019 12:18pm
    - MCos
      
      I’ll keep an eye out
      
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      July 12, 2019 1:33pm
  - alloytoo
    
    I wouldn’t bet on the buses (either way), I’d probably bet against the blues.
    
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    July 12, 2019 2:24pm
  - Colville
    
    but the shit training at the Blues will kill his ABs career.
    
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    July 12, 2019 6:21pm
Odakyu-sen

There are too many gadgets in Japan. Here is one clip (0:16) that shows a device for stirring up sticky fermented natto beans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2uuKD6Nz8

This is ridiculous! Any effort saved using this device would be spent washing and cleaning it afterwards! On the other hand, some people just love buying these sorts of gadgets.
Besides, it would make a great gift for that special someone who has everything…
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July 12, 2019 10:21am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I want one!
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:52am
  - Tall Man
    
    They don’t look particularly yummy………
    
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    July 12, 2019 1:52pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Tall Man,
      
      Natto is an acquired taste. If you like blue-vein cheese, you will probably like natto (fermented soy beans).
      
      It’s also a Kanto (western Honshu) thing to eat natto; denizens of Osaka (eastern Honshu) hate the stuff and think that Tokyoites are out of their tiny minds.
      
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      July 12, 2019 5:10pm
mandk

“I’ll tell you what, just stop beating up kids, and you won’t need Oranga Tamariki.”

Well said, Judith Collins.
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July 12, 2019 10:24am
- mikenmildagain
  
  “Just stop committing crimes, and you won’t need the police.”
  “Just stop having accidents, and we won’t need ambulances.”
  etc, etc.
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:42am
  - Rob2
    
    Gratuitous MM. Collins is right. don’t beat your or any other kids and won’t need to fix a problem that no longer would exist.
    
    Simple stuff really although probably never going to happen in Maori society.
    
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    July 12, 2019 11:12am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Just stop talking shit, and we won’t need downticks.”
    
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    July 12, 2019 11:13am
- GoVege
  
  So pleased to hear Judith telling parents not to bash their kids.
  I recall prior to a previous election her appearing on a Pacific Island TV programme. Her message was: “National won’t tell you how to discipline your children”.
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:56am
  - rangitoto
    
    Bashing and killing kids |= discipline
    
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    July 12, 2019 11:38am
  - GoVege
    
    Especially for you down-tickers: dont forget its YOU who pay for the hospital admissions, ongoing psychiatric care, and DPB costs for victims of violent “discipline”. 🙂
    
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    July 12, 2019 12:32pm
GoVege

Some daft twits are protesting the visit of a replica “Endeavour”, but most Maori are in favour of it, according to Kelvin Davis.
According to the protestors, they are “honouring the people killed by Cook and in the resulting genocide”.
Do they even know what the word “genocide” means?
They claim the re-enactment of Cook’s voyage “is extremely hurtful for indigenous peoples, including Maori”.
How hurtful do they think the use of the word “genocide” is to the thousands of survivors of the Holocaust and their descendants, residing in NZ?
In any case, the only thing approaching “genocide” in NZ was committed by Maori against other tribes.
If it weren’t for Cook, that would still be going on to this day.
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July 12, 2019 10:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Simple demography suggests that genocide might be an appropriate term to describe the impact of European ‘discovery’ on a huge range of indigeneous peoples across the globe. It’s a pretty loaded term, though, with the implication of intention. Most colonial enterprises were simply indifferent to the interests of the resident population, rather than actively trying to exterminate the locals entirely.
  
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  July 12, 2019 11:37am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Only if you’re of a particular political bent.
    
    Genocide has a specific definition and whilst it currently bandied-about with gay abandon it does have a meaning. It’s about intent not effect and requires deliberate action not accidental side-effects.
    
    “…acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group…”
    
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    July 12, 2019 12:06pm
    - GoVege
      
      The “intent” with Maori groups who bastardize the English language is to intimidate others into silence.
      One of their favourites is accusing anyone who suggests they start promoting contraception, especially for their teenagers, of “genocide”.
      This tactic has been so successful that even social workers are prevented from so much as suggesting the most hopeless parents try contraception, by the threat of instant dismissal.
      
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      July 12, 2019 12:46pm
    - Jack5
      
      Is this genocide, Milky?
      
      Maori population at 1840 estimates are in the range 50,000 to 80,000.
      
      Maori population at 30 June 2017 was 734,200, up 1.2 per cent on the previous year.
      
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      July 12, 2019 12:49pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        To be more precise:
        “The population people who identify as ‘Maori’ at 30 June 2017 was 734,200, up 1.2 per cent on the previous year.”
        
        I wonder what the population of “pure Maori” would currently be in this country?
        
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        July 12, 2019 1:20pm
      - Batman
        
        Who cares? Just like there are no pure white folks either.
        
        If you are part Maori they consider you Maori, the culture makes no distinction unlike some others…
        
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        July 12, 2019 1:27pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You can have it both ways, Jack, can’t you?
        
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        July 12, 2019 2:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        Batman: proportion of race you identify with can be relevant.
        
        Ngai Tahu’s current rules mean someone one-thirty-second Ngai Tahu can be eligible for special entry to medical school, for example, or to share in the booty from the tribe’s large businesses that operate free of company tax. In another couple of generations the tribe will be under pressure to declare a minimum portion of descent for membership.
        
        In North America, some indigenous tribes support impose “blood quantum” restrictions to establish who can be a member. They are trying to halt assimilation.
        
        NZ may have to do the same if the trend towards separate justice, health, and welfare systems continue.
        
        NZ’s high rate of intermarriage has mingled Maori and whites, but it blue-eyed blondes somehow don’t look natural in kapa haka groups. Some day very white competitors may have to be excluded from kapa haka competitions.
        
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        July 12, 2019 3:27pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Wavey Davey, the facts are Europeans did have a go of it in the Belgian Congo, German South West Africa and elsewhere!
      
      https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/europe-and-africa-a-genocidal-history/
      
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      July 12, 2019 3:00pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        “huge range”
        
        Congrats you managed to find 2 whole examples – not sure how that qualifies as a huge range but hey, with your intellectual prowess you’ve got to take what you can get eh?
        
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        July 12, 2019 3:22pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Oh look a downvote.
      
      That definition is the UN’s own you dimwit.
      
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      July 12, 2019 6:39pm
  - cmm
    
    “Most colonial enterprises were simply indifferent to the interests of the resident population,”
    
    Oh bullshit.
    
    Most colonials, in most places, actively worked for the improvement of the native peoples, even if their values and actions seem misplaced by today’s values.
    
    Sending in missionaries for the purpose of spiritual upliftment was seen to be beneficial, even if we no longer see it as such.
    
    Building hospitals, stamping out slavery, improving agriculture,… how can you call any of those genocidal.
    
    Law and order, here and elsewhere, stopped the native populations killing each other off. That in itself saved huge numbers of lives. Clearly not genocidal.
    
    Thousands of British soldiers and sailors died in East Africa battling slavery. Why?
    
    My grandfather spent years in Namibia (ox wagon, horse, no airconditioning) to help broker peace between various tribes. Why? Surely he was a genocidal pom and would have rubbed his hands in glee watching them wipe eachother out?
    
    As vege says, genocide requires intent. Unintentional disease spreading is not genocidal.
    
    But let’s just look at some facts. Why do 3rd worlders continue to migrate towards the most colonised places?
    
    Africans from Somalia etc migrate to South Africa. Why? If colonialism was so bad you’d expect the movement to be the other way around: South Africas fleeing to Ethiopia ; Maori fleeing to Samoa.
    
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    July 12, 2019 3:39pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, let’s look at some facts. Only a tiny minority of the millions of European who settled in other countries ever did so for reasons other than self interest.
      The noble efforts of your grandfather to bring peace to the warring tribes of SW Africa probably went all too unappreciated by said ignorant natives. Ironically, Namibia is definitely one place in Africa where colonists deliberately attempted to murder entire populations.
      We can’t change the past, but we don’t need to cling to myths about it either.
      I happen to believe it is still possible to celebrate the achievements of men like Cook while recognising that their arrival meant destruction for unique human communities.
      
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      July 12, 2019 5:54pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        You mean unique human communities that had yet to invent the wheel, were barely out of the stone age, whose life expectancy was 35 years or less, who practised cannibalism, who enslaved their enemies, who lived a subsistence existence from one famine to the next, who indulged in ritual murder?
        
        Those kinds of communities you mean?
        
        Good riddance to them.
        
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        July 12, 2019 6:44pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I think someone has stolen goveges identity and logon code! 🙂
  
  On the other hand, maybe its exposure here? RRM was a lefty when he/she started too…..
  
  Milt was a sane lefty once too, but has regressed a bit, maybe his V8 rover broke down once too often?
  
  Your local (former) Deity was always a bit of a stirrer however…invented to piss off an elderly anti-semite Logix back in the day when Kiwi Pundit was top blog!
  
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  July 12, 2019 11:45am
  - GoVege
    
    Nah, Nigel, its nothing to do with left or right, just simple reasoning.
    Anyone who applies a modicum of logic can see that Maori are infinitely better off living in a civilized western nation than running around in a freezing grass skirt trying to avoid being tortured and killed or worse, tortured and enslaved, by neighbouring tribes.
    Just as its pure logic that killing and eating other mammals/ animals, although they taste really yummy, tends to demean us as an intelligent and ethical species currently in charge of this planet. 🙂
    
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    July 12, 2019 12:59pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Well I guess I’ll happily feel stupid having a yummy steak tonight.
      
      I’ll enjoy it even more as it came from the stroppy steer next door that used to fuck with my fences…..
      
      Yum, flavour and revenge in each mouthful.
      
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      July 12, 2019 1:42pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I’ve got a couple of thick slices of scotch fillet to cook tonight. 3 minutes and 30 seconds on each side for the perfect medium rare steak, to be served with mushrooms, kumara chips, and maybe something green (or maybe not!).
        
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        July 12, 2019 1:59pm
      - Swifty
        
        I have a current cooking success story.
        
        For decades I’ve (following my mother) done a winter soup based on the Kings soup mix with fresh onion, carrot, celery and swede and a separately boiled chicken broken up into it.
        
        Last weekend I did it with a couple of (unbrowned) big fat lamb shanks.
        
        Fan-bloody-tastic. Better than with chicken.
        
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        July 12, 2019 3:10pm
      - GoVege
        
        Sounds like it might possibly have been a case of either him or you, TM. 🙂
        
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        July 12, 2019 5:24pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Minced him…….
        
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        July 12, 2019 9:31pm
    - GoVege
      
      Try those quorn fritters.
      Yummmmy!!
      
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      July 12, 2019 1:44pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I doubt any food starting with “qu” could be good for you.
        
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        July 12, 2019 4:12pm
- mandk
  
  Yesterday I took a look at the petition organised by the protesters.
  
  It had garnered about 2,000 votes, even though it has been running for more than three weeks.
  
  Hardly what you would call a groundswell of outrage.
  
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  July 12, 2019 12:09pm
  - GoVege
    
    Not many of them but they are LOUD…
    
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    July 12, 2019 1:45pm
backster

A bit more on climate change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I53GXBUdMA&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=r9mMwWGuzQO6RaP8%3A6
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July 12, 2019 11:10am
- stephieboy
  
  backster, the Grand Solar Minimum or little ice age is debunked here,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/09/the-imminent-mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong
  
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  July 12, 2019 1:38pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘little ice age is debunked’
    Not according to NASA’s Solar Physics Group
    ‘Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715 (38 kb JPEG image). Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the “Little Ice Age” when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past’
    https://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml
    It’s well documented that rivers like the Thames froze solid. That’s cold.
    Nuccitelli has, like Science Denying Creationist’s such as yourself, been proved wrong many times.
    Solar Cycle 25 is due to start next year.
    
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    July 12, 2019 2:38pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , wrong! Try again,
      
      No, There Isn’t Going To Be A “Mini Ice Ag
      
      “..Note, this cycle is very regular. It is not the driver of climate change on Earth. Here is some good information about why that is true.
      Then, the outlets seem to have picked up some comments from the website SpaceWeatherArchive.com back in September. “We see a cooling trend,” the website quoted Martin Mlynczak of NASA’s Langley Research Center as saying. “High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.”
      Mlynczak’s comments here are clearly not referring to climate change. They’re talking about Earth’s atmosphere, specifically a region called the thermosphere. During decreased solar activity, the thermosphere shrinks – which, while reducing the amount of atmospheric drag on satellites, also prolongs the orbit of space junk.
      The Sun simply does not have that large an effect on our climate compared to human activity. There is no mini ice age on the way. Stories like these that suggest otherwise, and the ensuing comments, make me want to tear my eyes out. Happy Friday all.”
      
      https://www.iflscience.com/space/no-there-isnt-going-to-be-a-mini-ice-age/
      
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      July 12, 2019 3:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I didn’t say there’s going to be another ‘mini Ice Age’
        You said the ‘Little Ice Age was debunked’
        NASA says there was. So you and Nuccitelli are wrong.
        
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        July 12, 2019 3:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Btw, I see your source iflscience.com is a blog. And an article in The Guardian.
        You thinking they are more authoritative than NASA explains why you are so ignorant.
        LOL!
        
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        July 12, 2019 3:30pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Have a look at the latest–Fnland and Japan agree:
        https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/scientists-finland-japan-man-made-climate-change-doesnt-exist-practice
        
        The truth is slowly being teased out before we freeze.
        
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        July 12, 2019 3:37pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Hey stephieboy. I have an MSc in Palaeoclimatology. and you have? And I have read quite a bit about this, and have seen some interesting stuff, but your statement “The Sun simply does not have that large an effect on our climate compared to human activity.” has got to be the best I have seen in all the years I have studied Climatology. So folks, its not the sun, it’s humans…. Fucking moron. I suppose the temperature fluctuations 540 mil years ago were also due to human activity? Or mayby it was the umm the SUN?!!
        
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        July 12, 2019 3:43pm
      - Fletch
        
        Yep, the Little Ice Age was real. Just look at the Frost Fairs that were held regularly on the Thames when it froze over solid. The last being in about 1814 before it started warming up.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_frost_fairs
        
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        July 12, 2019 8:51pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You probably should avoid interacting with this idiot.
      
      You know the old saying…
      
      https://www.google.com/search?q=never+argue+with+an+idiot+quote&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiroqjpwK7jAhUWfisKHQKACLkQsAR6BAgHEAE&biw=1504&bih=860
      
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      July 12, 2019 4:08pm
mandk

Feeble effort, mma.

When did people who cause accidents complain about ambulances?
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July 12, 2019 11:14am
MCos

Steve Smith had one of the most glittering careers as a batsman, but he’ll be remembered for the sandpaper suspension.

Jason Roy whacked three sixes off one Smith over last night in a stunning innings, but he’ll be remembered for his petulant behaviour when he was given out with the game in the bag.
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July 12, 2019 11:28am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred in their bones.
  (I think Bill Shakespeare wrote that.)
  
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  July 12, 2019 1:09pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Tauhei, bloody Bill time-travelled and plagiarised ‘Iron Maiden’:
    
    Love is a razor and I walked the line on that silver blade
    Slept in the dust with his daughter,
    Her eyes red with the slaughter of innocence
    But I will pray for her, I will call her name out loud
    I would bleed for her, if I could only see her now
    Living on a razor’s edge, balancing on a ledge
    Living on a razor’s edge, balancing on a ledge
    Balancing on a ledge, living on a razor’s edge
    Balancing on a ledge, you know, you know
    
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    
    Circle of fire my baptism of joy at an end it seems
    The seventh lamb slain, the book of life opens before me
    And I will pray for you, someday I may return
    Don’t you cry for me, beyond is where I learn
    Living on a razor’s edge, balancing on a ledge
    Living on a razor’s edge, you know, you know
    
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    Living on a razor’s edge, balancing on a ledge
    Living on a razor’s edge, you know
    
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    The evil that men do lives on and on, yeah
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    The evil that men do lives on and on
    The evil, the evil that men do
    The evil, the evil, the evil that men do
    
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    July 12, 2019 1:28pm
Miritu

In case there is still any doubt about Big Tech censorship and bias against conservatives, see James O’Keefe’s latest exposure of Google
https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/07/11/project-veritas-re-uploads-google-expose-taken-down-by-youtube-ahead-of-white-house-social-media-summit/
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July 12, 2019 11:41am
- stephieboy
  
  Miritu,
  
  Project Veritas: how fake news prize went to rightwing group beloved by Trump
  
  “James O’Keefe’s organisation specialising in media stings received donations from Trump’s foundation but was caught red-handed peddling a false story…”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/project-veritas-how-fake-news-prize-went-to-rightwing-group-beloved-by-trump
  
  And not the only one and fake sting operations!
  
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  July 12, 2019 1:46pm
  - Miritu
    
    Is that the best you can come up with?
    Guardian is hardly a reputable source.
    Even if true, its insignificant compared to what PV has exposed.
    
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    July 12, 2019 6:29pm
Ross12

I wonder if Genter has thought about this before pushing EVs —of course not !

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/555536b12fb7ab04bc93a09cd13765e7321e3ffa1c133c00a4b7e4ee3bc5c628.png?w=600&h=1013
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July 12, 2019 11:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Genter and thought do not go together.
  Oh I guess we will import dirty coal seeing as we can not use our coal
  
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  July 12, 2019 12:19pm
  - Paulus
    
    We are still importing Coal via Tauranga for storage in the Waikato for Huntly.
    
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    July 12, 2019 1:45pm
- godruelf
  
  As a small shareholder in Genesis and Port of Tauranga I’m not complaining.
  
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  July 12, 2019 2:39pm
sooty

The maori would have just about died out by now as they could not bred fast enough!
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July 12, 2019 11:51am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Go to any WINZ office and repeat that comment. It is like going in off at snooker. What do you do when you go in off at snooker?
  You spot the white.
  
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  July 12, 2019 1:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  sooty, introduced diseases ( which Maori had not immunity) nearly did the job!
  
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  July 12, 2019 3:14pm
  - sooty
    
    They should have got out and about more then!
    
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    July 12, 2019 4:04pm
GoVege

Definitely the word “genocide” denotes intention, Milkenmild.
“The deliberate killing of a large group of people”.
In the Maori genocides of other tribes it also included torture, slavery and cannibalism.
Accidental killing by unintentionally introducing disease cannot be genocide, or else surely the great flu epidemics and plagues that decimated millions would be called genocides not epidemics.
Some colonizations were pretty brutal, but the British did tremendous good for Maori.
Abolishing slavery and cannibalism, and introducing the rule of law were the most obvious.
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July 12, 2019 12:14pm
- Jack5
  
  GoVege, add to that creating a written Maori language.
  
  The British also gave NZ a cadastral system (surveying and land registry). These systems have proved of great importance in the economic development of nations.
  
  Unfortunately, by clinging to inalienable group land ownership, Maori have missed some benefits of this. Land needs to be transferable to be of use as security in raising capital.
  
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  July 12, 2019 4:07pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    more than that, communal ownership means that it can’t be utilised productively by anyone – tragedy of the commons. Maori who tried to farm tribal land generally found that their cussies who would just take the produce created making the farm uneconomic – they were better off putting their effort into farms that they owned under or rented like everyone else. Result was Maori land was unproductive and undeveloped – good to noone.
    
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    July 12, 2019 5:00pm
Swifty

When did the phrase ‘person of colour’ enter NZ’s vocab? I’ve noticed it more and more recently,

‘African Communities Forum Incorporated president Chinwe Akomah said she was happy someone has finally been appointed – and that it has gone to a person of colour who can speak to the issues minorities face in this country.’

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/394178/race-relations-commissioner-meng-foon-must-address-colonial-racism

Why doesn’t she just come out and say it? There are some public roles that Europeans/whites should be ineligible for, irrespective of their life experiences.

If that’s not a racist statement then I don’t know what is.
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July 12, 2019 12:42pm
- The King
  
  Articles like that you lose brain cells, but to be expected from Hamish Cardwell.
  
  >Muslims
  >Race
  
  Pick one.
  
  Or are they saying Muslims are a race? so was Brenton Tarrant right?
  
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  July 12, 2019 1:34pm
- Jack5
  
  According to the article I link to below, physicists say black is not a colour but white is a colour.
  
  This would mean white-skinned folk are people of colour, and Africans like Chinwe Akomah are not people of colour — just wannabe people of colour.
  
  https://www.colormatters.com/color-and-design/are-black-and-white-colors
  
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  July 12, 2019 3:44pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The darker the skin the lesser the amounts of red, green and blue light human skin reflects out of the white light arriving on it.
    
    Me, I’m a reasonable match for rgb, 237, 219, 236
    and darker brown skin at rgb, 107, 5, 32.
    All parts out of 256.
    Black is effectively an absence of colour.
    
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    July 12, 2019 8:40pm
- vincent van gogh
  
  C’mon Swifty.. you know racism only works one way.. didn’t you watch Willie Jackson on TV this morning explaining why social workers taking kids away from abusive parent/s was racist… because.. well it just is.. ??
  
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  July 12, 2019 6:46pm
Swifty

Bloody hell.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12248861

Maintain your fences.
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July 12, 2019 1:32pm
- BrownSnake
  
  Holy Cow
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:46pm
Lee C

I just had a chilling thought… That Ardern is on a Pacific island somewhere working really hard — at getting another baby. …
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July 12, 2019 3:27pm
- BrownSnake
  
  And you are paying for it she could
  have gone to Saudi Arabia
  
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  July 12, 2019 10:47pm
rouppe

Gosh this makes me mad

The judge said

“… the sentence Rutherford would have received without the three strikes legislation would have been about 14 months jail, which might have given him a chance at home detention. “The three strikes regime has not prevented him from reoffending,” he said.”

That’s the POINT of the 3 strikes law. He’s not learned his lesson when given the chance, so it should be maximum sentence with no parole.

I’m sure I’ve heard Justice Francis Cook’s name come up before with these stupid decisions
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July 12, 2019 3:33pm
- Swifty
  
  Yes, a good point.
  
  It seems like there is nothing that would have prevented this person from feeling up our children.
  
  Therefore, in order to protect our children, this person needs to be put in an environment where he is unable to commit further harm.
  
  Simple. He appears unable to control his urges.
  
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  July 12, 2019 6:57pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING ~
Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones considering relocating
Devonport Naval Base to Kaingaroa.
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July 12, 2019 5:05pm
- cmm
  
  What has Minister of helicopter flights, Ron Mark, say about this?
  
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  July 12, 2019 5:34pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “I’d rather leave that in your hands Shane to work out solution”
    
    🙂
    
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    July 12, 2019 5:54pm
    - sooty
      
      Why not!
      Global warming, it’s above the tide mark!
      
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      July 12, 2019 6:30pm
Monique Watson

Sex offender gets three strikes: Gets off lightly:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114189735/maximum-jail-term-for-third-strike-child-sex-offender-who-lurked-in-toy-aisles
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July 12, 2019 5:18pm
- sooty
  
  Dud judge!
  
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  July 12, 2019 6:28pm
rangitoto

Oh dear. I thought the science was settled:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf
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July 12, 2019 5:24pm
vincent van gogh

The breaking news and lead story on TV3 tonight is about a fire in a derelict building in Chch.. WTF??
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July 12, 2019 6:36pm
- marcw
  
  It’s a lot cheaper to clear the land for redevelopment after a massive razing to the ground. No pesky historical structures legislation the local government can apply.
  
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  July 12, 2019 7:13pm
- Tall Man
  
  Nothing about an ardernism?
  
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  July 12, 2019 9:24pm
Happychappy

I see Winston true to form again all talk and no substance as it wouldn’t matter where you were if you believe what the Australians were doing wrong by deporting kiwis back to NZ you would voice your disapproval not make excuses about it.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/394257/peters-insists-focus-remains-on-australia-deportation-policy
More crap from a past your use date gutless Politician.
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July 12, 2019 7:34pm
- BrownSnake
  
  Australians have a saying
  
  FIFO
  
  Fit in or F U C K O F F
  
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