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Lance

I openly admit to completely writing off the Black Caps against India. I was wrong to do so as it turns out
Well done guys.
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July 11, 2019 8:02am
- Gravelroad
  
  Please, please, please, Black Caps – don’t sit back and make this game against India your “final” ( as you have in the past, to be fair).
  Onward and upward
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:25am
- hullkiwi
  
  At 5 for 3 in the 4th over I thought we might have a chance. So, well done the Black Caps!
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:26am
- oldgolfer
  
  Very well done.
  The run-out by Martin Guptill was of such class I am certain it will have given him the confidence needs for his batting.
  It’s been interesting reading what passes for cricket writing in this country and the ease with which they concluded the Black Caps were all but done.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The image creators have been busy overnight; check out Laser Guppy!
    
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hO7zyNmlyWjPBIMDGIwbpXAl0Uy3FSG2
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:41am
    - srylands
      
      Final against Australia. New Zealand bats first. Guptill makes 150. New Zealand 320. Australia bowled out for 290 in the 47th over. ?
      
      I wrote them off too but cricket is like that. If they play Australia in the final, most fans of the game outside of Australia will be supporting New Zealand.
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:00am
- thetiedarch
  
  (Assuming AUS beat ENG in the other Semi)
  
  2015:
  Pool match: NZ beat AUS
  Final: Aus beat NZ
  
  2019:
  Pool match: Aus beat NZ
  Final: NZ beat AUS???…..
  
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  July 11, 2019 9:15am
- cas
  
  I love this bit of writing from an article on Cricinfo.
  
  “Maybe we should all have seen it coming. This is what New Zealand have done so often through this campaign. What they so often seem to do at World Cups. In England, they have slid through closing doors, leapt over ravines while the ground crumbled beneath their feet, defused bombs with only seconds remaining till detonation, and pulled stars into alignment if they are not quite in their favour.”
  
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  July 11, 2019 9:36am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    I would make the far less poetic observation that a team with a 20-30% chance of winning will sometimes win. No need to let hindsight take over and try to start figuring out why this should have been expected all along.
    
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    July 11, 2019 10:31am
  - Fletch
    
    Good on the team, but don’t they often stumble at the last hurdle?
    
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    July 11, 2019 11:07am
    - Tall Man
      
      Downticked for pessimism.
      
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      July 11, 2019 6:55pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  With the anxiety as to who would bowl the final overs evident in the press box I thought about Lockie Ferguson as a young strike bowler with no fear, not overwhelmed by the occasion but just wanting to bowl ’em out.’ So taken was he by his task was that he started to set his own field with the Captain going with the flow. What a terrific team effort and what a top mixture of youth and experience. Guptill showed pure guts when others may have faltered. Even swapped the radio to radio sport when driving this morning, 1 of the announcers repeated a reflection by another commentator or caller – that the Black Caps are the equivalent of being the French of World Cup Rugby. During the match I think it was Ian Smith who reflected that Williamson may have learnt the lesson of taking the foot of the throat of the opposition as appeared to have happened for the Black Caps against Aussie – but it didn’t happen against India and the bowling attack prevailed. Now quietness going into the final.
  
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  July 11, 2019 11:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Load your gun and don’t breathe too hard……
    
    Annnd…
    
    Fingers, toes, legs, arms and anything else longer than 10 inches…….
    
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    July 11, 2019 6:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Congratulations, Meng Foon… Our new Race Relations Commissioner.
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July 11, 2019 8:03am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Meng Foon is a brilliant and sensible appointment to become the Race Relations Commissioner, such an easy vacuum to fill given the previous occupant.
  
  I am concerned how this appointment will sound with the ‘two wongs don’t make a white’ and ‘chinky sounding names’ racist party’s views . . .
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:04am
  - freethinker
    
    I think KB will judge on her record of achievements, in the meantime good luck I wish you well.
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      Him……
      
      Although these days it is foolish to assume anything….
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:27am
      - Jack5
        
        It would be interesting to hear Moon Feng’s views of this row in Gisborne, his home town.
        
        Specifically, on the views of Gisborne councillor Meredith Akuhata-Brown, as reported by Radio NZ:
        
        “Somebody is wanting to say something strongly on this issue that is trending in our region, part of me just thought ‘well, I am not pro-vandalism but it is activism to some degree’.”
        
        Ms Akuhata-Brown said the statements incited hard but necessary kōrero.
        
        “I am really pro us having these courageous conversations to unpack the feelings, the emotions and actually understand why this promotes such aggressive behaviour,” she said.
        
        “It is based on history and it’s based on that history never being given a chance to be spoken of, talked about or understood, and people want that.”
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/394171/captain-james-cook-graffiti-raises-necessary-korero-councillor
        
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        July 11, 2019 6:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    When my partners mum first heard that ‘Meng Foon’ had been appointed as the new RRC, her first reaction was, “Not another bloody foreigner?!”
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:46am
  - Morrissey
    
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    ????!!!?!?!?
    
    It’s the National Party that has a heritage of disgusting, racist campaigns. The Labour Party is not perfect by any means, but your partisan name-calling is demonstrably absurd.
    
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    July 11, 2019 10:10am
    - Lance
      
      The Labour Party led “Chinese sounding names” from the phonebook debacle and refusal to apologize afterwards has gone down like shit sandwich with the Asian community.
      
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      July 11, 2019 1:28pm
    - Batman
      
      Pay attention, Breen, they were referring to NZ First and Winston’s penchant for racist jokes.
      
      Though you raise a good point, Labour don’t seem worried about that do they??
      
      As for your assertion about National… Hahaha what a crock of shit!!
      
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      July 11, 2019 2:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Reported breen because a) I don’t like his attitude .. and b) I really think I don’t like him.
        
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        July 11, 2019 7:04pm
  - Ruahine
    
    Arden got a dressing down by the Chinese govt leadership over their anti Chinese stance. That is why all the kowtowing by this bunch of hypocrites.
    
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    July 11, 2019 10:13am
  - Nermal
    
    Many of us thought Susan Devon would do a good job. Boy, were we wrong!
    
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    July 11, 2019 2:36pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I did not… but she was a fantastic squash player and competitor. The drive she had to have would daunt most of us.
      
      I hope she finds a way to reverse the perception we currently we have of her.
      
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      July 11, 2019 7:08pm
- nasska
  
  He was a fairly sensible sort of coot from all accounts.
  
  I wonder how long it will take the minions of the Commission to hollow out his head & turn him into a jibbering idiot repeating leftist slogans.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:09am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Susan Devoy appeared reasonably sensible before she got the job. He will be going to work and hearing his colleagues just talking absolute nonsense all day long, it doesn’t take long before that starts to change a person.
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:09am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Susan Devoy had no credible background for the position. Meng Foon has tons.
      
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      July 11, 2019 2:41pm
  - Morrissey
    
    …repeating leftist slogans.
    
    Yes, those abhorrent leftist slogans such as: “you can’t abuse people because they’re Maori”. Terrible leftist slogans, terrible. Terrible. Just terrible.
    
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    July 11, 2019 10:13am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Another position that needs to be done away with. She was chosen to further an agenda.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:10am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Meng Foon is very much a he.
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:42am
    - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
      
      He might be referring to the squash Dame…
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:12am
      - Tall Man
        
        You may be right but I doubt devoy has the intellect and skills to “forward” any agenda.
        
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        July 11, 2019 9:48am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Meng may well be identifying as anyone of the 71 other genders that are a available for those with ‘issues’ can choose from. It is not up to us to ‘assume’ that because he may look like a bloke, sound like a bloke and, uses a urinal, we are can assume that he is a bloke, we are forbidden to do so!
      
      We must wait for the woke left to call him out before we, the normal ones in society, can call him he.
      
      Thank you for letting me clarify that point.
      
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      July 11, 2019 10:41am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      I was not assuming his gender.
      
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      July 11, 2019 10:46am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I was taking the piss, and here again
        
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        July 11, 2019 10:34pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Sadly, he does not understand the difference between race and religion. Muslim is a religion not a race.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:11am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… So, the CoL got one right at last.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I reckon the CoL has no idea what it has got.
    Meng Foon will dance to his own tune, I suspect.
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      Always worry when “speaking te reo” is seen as a “real bonus”.
      
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      July 11, 2019 8:46am
  - kevn
    
    … and then we read why the 12 month delay in making an appointment. One Colin Henry (an applicant) a Jamaican born Aucklander/human rights lawyer, was not happy with the selection process, in fact considered it ‘unlawful’ so sued the Minister of Justice (little).
    Must have been real keen to get his nose in the trough.
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:44am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I have had dealings with this scumbag.
      
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      July 11, 2019 8:49am
    - freethinker
      
      Joins the ranks of the 99% of Lawyers who make the other 1% feel so bad about their profession.
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      FFS, what sort of world are we leaving to our grandchildren?
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:09am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yes congratulations Meng. Now repeat after me; “Identity politics is toxic bullshit”
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:12am
Paulus Gnome

Congratulations to the Black Caps, well played at the right time.

If this is far as they go, it represents a magnificent effort of which we, as New Zealanders, should be proud of and embrace.

Say more KS
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July 11, 2019 8:03am
Tony Stuart

Anyone else have a late night? By the time I got to bed (around 2.30am), sleep didn’t come easily.

What a fantastic game of cricket. The Indian bowlers were superb, and for a while, it looked as though Jadeja and Dhoni were going to snatch the match away. But the Blackcaps hung tough, and Guptill’s direct hit from side on to run Dhoni out was a piece of cricketing magic.

A second successive Cricket World Cup final awaits, at cricket’s most storied arena, Lord’s; bring it on!
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July 11, 2019 8:04am
- pdm
  
  2am for me Inv – did not wait for speeches etc.
  
  A good win on a poor track that I think India got the best of both batting and bowling. Imagine the uproar if a track like that had been produced in NZ for a semi final!!
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:09am
  - MCos
    
    Ever wonder why the Crusaders never lose playoff games at their wretched icebox in Christchurch, but got the runaround in warm Fiji?
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:50am
    - Morrissey
      
      Very good point. It’s ridiculous that night games are played in Christchurch in the coldest time of year. That game should have been played in the afternoon, of course.
      
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      July 11, 2019 10:15am
- 3-coil
  
  India were guilty of having already “won” the game (in their heads) before they’d played it! Talking about who they’d meet in the final – fatal error! ?
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:57am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    AB’s and World Cup anyone?
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:12am
    - Morrissey
      
      Have we got a corrupt non-referee lined up for the final again?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo&t=132s
      
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      July 11, 2019 10:17am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    So right, the look on Virat’s face when he was trapped coming across his crease. It was so pleasing to see the smug look removed for several hours.
    The camera played it for hours.
    The turning point took a long time, whilst Dhoni was at crease, defeat a real reality. That amazing runout changed the result.
    They put up stat last night, out of hundreds of matches he remained till the end of innings, India had lost just two games.
    The bowlers have shown their worth, time for NZ batsmen to step up, 240 won’t win the final.
    
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    July 11, 2019 11:01am
    - gravedodger
      
      It will be plenty if the chasers are bowled out for 238!!
      
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      July 11, 2019 11:24am
    - MCos
      
      Australia only scored 243/9 against NZ at Lords the other day. Since then they’ve lost Khawaja & Starc has gone off the boil.
      I think England will win tonight, but the toss is King.
      Ten games is a lot for those big fast bowlers to keep galloping in.
      
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      July 11, 2019 3:20pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Great game by the reports, I only caught the highlights only as i had a late meeting and an early start.
  
  People will now be obsessing about the weather for the final. if it is close cloud cover then who-ever bowls first will have a swing advantage that Boult and co are able to employ to their advantage.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:58am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed, but Australia has a bloke named Starc, and the English quicks are pretty handy as well.
    
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    July 11, 2019 10:01am
Gravelroad

To the “young” ponytail bun wearer on the TV 3 news today ( sorry, don’t know his name, only turned this on to see the cricket) – you too might be old one day.
What is it with these breakfast news people that we have to be lectured by entitled, arrogant pricks like this?
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July 11, 2019 8:05am
- Tall Man
  
  Do yourself a favour, turn MSM off.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:28am
  - Gravelroad
    
    We very seldom watch breakfast TV, Tall man.
    Only turned it on today to see coverage of the Black Caps win.
    The Duncan Garner replacement on TV 3 made Jack Tame look mature and sensible. Only young people know stuff, dontcha know.
    Ageist prick.
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:47am
    - Tall Man
      
      Channel 52… SkySport 2 😉
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:07am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Anyone who has left preschool has a more ‘credible’ voice and possibly a better level of maturity than our boy Tame, imo
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:15am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      It’s Ryan Bridge. He is far better than Garner and one of the few non-idiot TV presenters. There was plenty of criticism of young people getting involved in politics, probably before you started watching. He was responding to that.
      
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      July 11, 2019 10:56am
      - Gravelroad
        
        OK Nigel Kearney, fair point- maybe I didn’t see the full context.
        Have never heard of Ryan Bridge – and don’t want to hear anymore about him either.
        What he said was juvenile and offensive to older people imo.
        We stopped watching all breakfast TV when the Jacinda worshipping was in full flow and showing no signs of abating. More peaceful life as a result.
        
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        July 11, 2019 2:40pm
Paulus Gnome

The unfortunate death of the toddler on the West Coast, like all such, is a tragedy on so many levels; my commiserations to all those involved and affected by this terrible incident.

There is a level of suppression around all the facts at this time. My concern is that Becroft, as the Children’s Commissioner, has commented quite vociferous with statements about this incident, not unreasonably given his position.

With the lack of detail that is available, I suspect that this incident involves non-maori because, if this event is related to an infant death involving maori, Becroft would have not been so strident.

I may well be wrong, time will tell . . .
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July 11, 2019 8:06am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The anti-smacking law is as effective as firearm confiscation.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    “The anti-smacking law is as effective as firearm confiscation”
    
    ???
    
    Why is it Ok to hit a child but not adults hitting each other?
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:51am
    - alloytoo
      
      Because the brain continues to develop as we approach maturity and as much as one would wish to engage in rational discussion with a child it is simply impossible.
      
      Sometimes a physical intervention is required to stop a child from engaging in dangerous behaviour when other avenues have failed.
      
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      July 11, 2019 10:08am
      - stephieboy
        
        alloytoo, nothing like using a child as a punching bag?
        
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        July 11, 2019 3:00pm
- Tall Man
  
  Race is irrelevant.
  
  How do we weed these ferals out of our society?
  
  Where is the rot starting?
  
  We all know that the “family” is a breeding ground for these arseholes and more often than not it is a “whanau” but these people must have been identified before this happens.
  
  Is it because we are now so PC that making an educated “assumption” is now viewed as “prejudice” or some other silly name?
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:35am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You are right, race is irrelevant. A child has died which is to be mourned irrespective of race, creed or religion. No child is born prejudiced, we, the ‘adults’, instil those prejudices.
    
    My point is that Becroft is making more noise than usual so that the non-maori ethnicity is emphasised when everything comes to light so he can say ‘see, it is not only maori who kill their children’
    
    Every parent will be feeling for this parent; there is no greater heartache in life than to bury one of one’s own children.
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    Tall Man, incredible assertion?
    
    You’re not sure that brown or black skins have nothing do with it?
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:53am
- Morrissey
  
  You support the hitting of children. Your views are hardly credible.
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:19am
- Prince
  
  I agree.
  Also no one would have been arrested. Police would be ‘discussing with whanau who at this stage are co-operating.’
  Then you’d hear nothing more about it.
  
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  July 11, 2019 1:04pm
PaulDunmore

Stuff has a piece this morning (no byline) “What motivates the biggest climate change deniers?”, reporting on a recently published study. A link to the study is provided, and this shows that the article lies about what the study found.
First, the study did not ask about attitudes to climate change. It asked two environmental questions, “Are you willing to change your daily routine in order to protect the environment?” and “Are you willing to make sacrifices to your standard of living (e.g., accept higher prices, drive less, conserve energy) in order to protect the environment?”. All of the quotes in Stuff about how right-wing authoritarians and social dominants feel about climate change were references to earlier studies in the initial part of the paper, not findings of the research.
Second, the study examined the time sequence of the different attitudes: if opinions change, do changes in social attitudes or in environmental attitudes come first? This is the new and interesting part of the study, and the result is summarised in the final sentence of the abstract: “these findings suggest that the more likely temporal association flows from environmentalism to SDO [social dominance orientation].” In other words, people whose environmental attitudes become stronger are then more likely to adopt a social dominance attitude.
So what the paper actually says is that people who start to think that sorting their rubbish is important become more inclined to support inequality with statements such as “To get ahead in life, it is sometimes okay to step on other groups” and disagreeing with “We should have increased social equality”. Anyone who has argued with environmentalists will recognise this: sorting my rubbish makes me a superior person and validates my looking down on benighted people who do not. But it says nothing whatever about why someone might have a particular view of climate change.
So Stuff has extended its climate campaign by printing an article (presumably provided by an unidentified lobby group) which lies about the findings of a research paper in order to smear anyone critical of climate alarmism by dismissing their arguments as motivated by their social attitudes.
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July 11, 2019 8:13am
- Gravelroad
  
  Ends always justify the means to the left activists.
  Never let facts speak for themselves.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:41am
- Than
  
  When I read that article my immediate reaction was extreme cynicism – “new study proves that straw-man caricature of the far-right is real”.
  
  My expectation was that the study itself was slanted to produce that result. But from what you’re saying above it looks like the study may have been fine, but the writer of the Stuff piece radically misinterpreted it (whether deliberately or by projecting their own biases) .
  
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  July 11, 2019 9:07am
- stephieboy
  
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  KB Climate change deniers!
  
  The US President now begs to differ ( Including All on Red and MW )
  
  Donald Trump Called Climate Change a Hoax. Now He’s Awkwardly Boasting About Fighting It
  
  “ President Donald Trump has falsely called climate change a “hoax” invented by China, incorrectly suggested that wind turbines cause cancer and dismissed a landmark scientific report produced by the federal government’s own scientists. His Administration has sought to roll back key climate regulations at every turn.
  
  That didn’t stop him from holding an event Monday afternoon to argue for his environmental record as he heads into a tough re-election campaign.
  
  Speaking from the White House, Trump made a number of arguments, ranging from standard boasts about the state of the economy to dubious claims that the United States has some of the world’s cleanest air and water.
  
  But one claim stood out as particularly surprising: Trump specifically cited a reduction in climate change-causing carbon dioxide emissions and bragged that the U.S. has exceeded other countries in nixing greenhouse gas emissions. “Every single one of the signatories to the Paris climate accord lags behind America,” he said….”
  
  https://time.com/5622374/donald-trump-climate-change-hoax-event/?utm_source=time.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-brief&utm_content=2019070911am&xid=newsletter-brief
  
  LOL!
  
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  July 11, 2019 9:56am
  - alloytoo
    
    You do realize that those two conditions are not mutually exclusive.
    
    Man-made Climate change could indeed be a hoax, and America has indeed reduced it’s emissions.
    
    I suspect the truth of the later would be unwelcome if the former were true.
    
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    July 11, 2019 10:11am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Are you willing to change your daily routine in a way that is proven to protect the environment?”
  
  There. Fixed it for you.
  
  When anyone in authority calls on the people to “make sacrifices” in peacetime, you know it’s code for “give the State more money and power.”
  
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  July 11, 2019 11:28am
- gravedodger
  
  What say I am driving my “gas guzzling” Colorado 7 into a remote area to plant a few hundred trees, does that equate in any way to a Hypocrite who flies to Atutaiki for a winter Holiday taking the whole shebang along for the ride.
  
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  July 11, 2019 11:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  When are Stuff going to publish the leaked Hadrut emails? Those show the premier UK climate office reporting to their mates about absence of warming and data having to be fixed to compensate with suggested methods. They also proposed a plan to take over peer review.
  
  The UN has disclaimed being able to predict future weather because it’s mathematically a “chaotic system”. The political arm is full steam ahead. Actual data shows their predictive models to be useless.
  
  If things turn to custard and we get colder instead of hotter criminal fraud will have to be considered.
  
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  July 11, 2019 3:06pm
MCos

I made a comment on Cricinfo’s Facebook page and now I have twenty new Pakistani friends.
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July 11, 2019 8:20am
- Tall Man
  
  Awesome. When they send the $2 billion dollar cheque that their uncle left them but they couldn’t cash, you could send them a box of Denheath’s custard squares”. Pretty sure they are made from “halal” cow’s cream.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:38am
- oldgolfer
  
  Almost enough for two teams. I feel a challenge coming on.
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:06am
Muzza M

I’m wondering if today is the day, we find out how Jacinda and family travelled to Rarotonga.
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July 11, 2019 8:27am
- oldgolfer
  
  We can but hope a reporter might ask a question.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    And risk losing the hugz and selfies…….
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:38am
  - freethinker
    
    Are there logs of Broomstick ones flights?
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:14am
  - godruelf
    
    Hopefully she is away next week as well and Hosking will be back to ask the question Tuesday week.
    
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    July 11, 2019 10:36am
  - Paulus
    
    Which media/woman’s magazine people went along with the Cindy fishing film making family.
    Tova was back on television last evening so perhaps she really is out of favour !
    
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    July 11, 2019 1:31pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’m no Jacinda fan, but given that this is a private holiday and not official Government business, I think it would be highly irregular if she used the Air Force.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    What would be “highly irregular” is that she would tell the truth.
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We are talking about a freeloading socialist here. I suspect many more on the same Air Force flight. The cover up has begun
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:50am
    - Ruawai
      
      She needs a whole plane for her security, she is very important.
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:35am
      - sooty
        
        All armed with semi auto and full automatic guns, but then it’s different when she needs to be protected!
        
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        July 11, 2019 5:34pm
- kowtow
  
  Just now on Peter Williams (1020am) the pms office says private holiday so wouldn’t have used air farce one for such.
  
  Te he he , the Beehive listens in to talk back ! Does that make them redneck ignoramuses ?
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:21am
- MCos
  
  They went on Sunday.
  There’s an AirNZ flight to Rarotonga on Sunday morning from Auckland.
  My conspiracy theory is they caught that plane.
  Of course Trump’s mate Epstein has a plane he won’t be needed for 45 years.
  
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  July 11, 2019 2:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jesus H Christ, you got it. Seen a 727 in Raro? Watch Hillary make a move soon. Epstein will disappear, and not to his Island. Maybe to an Island in the Indian Ocean?
    Of course this is an opinion.
    Btw a 757 came in to Whenuapai just a while ago. 1 hour later and lots of activity going on there
    
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    July 11, 2019 6:04pm
    - MCos
      
      That’s the Indian cricket team. They’ve defected! All their houses have been burned down back home.
      
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      July 11, 2019 6:57pm
Hugh Pavletich

Port Taranaki resembles “ghost town” as export log prices drop 30-40 per cent … Mike Watson … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114089504/port-taranaki-resembles-ghost-town-as-export-log-prices-drop-3040-per-cent

A crisis meeting will be held in New Plymouth on Wednesday between harvesters, logging truck companies and exporters involved in the export log trade from Port Taranaki as a sudden price drop begins to hit local suppliers.

Taranaki harvesting contractor Richard Dreaver said he had called the meeting after export log price values fell by between 30 and 40 per cent in the past fortnight.

Dreaver, who employs 27 staff, including four forestry contracting crews, said his workers were stunned by the sudden developments.

“Let’s see if we can get everyone working together,” he said. “The port (Taranaki) looks like a ghost town.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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July 11, 2019 8:33am
- Tony Stuart
  
  So why is the Government allowing overseas companies to buy up productive farmland, liquidate the animals, and turn perfectly good pasture into forests? Another own goal from our coalition.
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:44am
  - Happychappy
    
    Haven’t Winston and Grant already order the new railway equipment and carriages to cart logs for our forestry operations.
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:57am
    - freethinker
      
      Probably, just now arguing about how much lead in the paint is acceptable.
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:15am
      - Tall Man
        
        Hopefully they’re employing the “lick it test”.
        
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        July 11, 2019 9:46am
  - kowtow
    
    “Government” has created that scam market ( carbon credits) so it must create the conditions to make the scam work.
    
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    July 11, 2019 10:24am
- Scott
  
  Poor old Taranaki,my home province. No oil and gas exploration. A government desire to cull cows because of climate change or something. Now even forestry is falling!
  Taranaki used to be a very prosperous little province until the last election!
  
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  July 11, 2019 8:46am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yep, and there will be a backlash next election. Labour, Green and NZF candidates may as well flag it away now.
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:01am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … It is a pity Tauranga has the worst housing bubble in the country as well … media report 21 January at the time of the release of this years Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey …
      
      Lack of land, infrastructure blamed for rising Tauranga house prices | Newshub
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/01/lack-of-land-infrastructure-blamed-for-rising-tauranga-house-prices.html
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:12am
      - Tall Man
        
        It’s a pity that KiwiBlog has the two most annoying trolls in the country……. yes steffy, you are the other one.
        
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        July 11, 2019 9:29am
      - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
        
        Be fair Tall Man, that comment is almost well formatted! 🙂
        
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        July 11, 2019 9:47am
      - stephieboy
        
        Tall Man, nothing gives me more pleasure than winding you up!
        
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        July 11, 2019 10:04am
      - Morrissey
        
        It’s a pity that KiwiBlog has the two most annoying trolls in the country……. yes steffy, you are the other one.
        
        Did someone say “steffy”?
        
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COyv96HWsAAxx5z.jpg
        
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        July 11, 2019 10:23am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Thank you for reading it
        
        I downtick and move on, report as spam every second day or 100 posts with links, whichever comes first.
        
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        July 11, 2019 10:47am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … From Australia …
        
        The economic contraction currently underway in China s likely far more severe than most realize …
        
        REA chief economist: Chinese property buyers are GONE! … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/07/rea-chief-economist-chinese-property-buyers-gone/
        
        The chief economist for the REA Group, Nerida Conisbee, has given an interview in News.com.au, whereby she claim that Chinese investors have fled the Australian property market:
        
        “We are now looking at a very different property market to what it was like during the boom,” realestate.com.au chief economist Nerida Conisbee said.
        
        She said investor lending is unlikely to get back to where it was any time soon.
        
        “Buyers from Asia, a key market for new development, have dropped dramatically,” Ms Conisbee said.
        
        “Over the past 12 months alone, property seekers from China have dropped by over 60 per cent to the lowest level we have ever recorded.
        
        “And confidence in the new apartment sector is low following some high-profile structural issues.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 11, 2019 10:55am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Unfortunately the rest of us are talking about Taranaki not Tauranga. An easy mistake to make when you don’t come here to read what anyone else has written and are only interested in pasting or promoting what you have said elsewhere.
        
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        July 11, 2019 10:59am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        China Bracing For Another Annual Drop In Auto Sales | Zero Hedge
        
        https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-10/china-bracing-another-annual-drop-auto-sales-after-tumbling-2018
        
        The newest estimates out of the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers for 2019 are once again turning (even more) pessimistic, according to Reuters. Earlier in the year, the CAAM had thought zero growth for the year was a possibility, but now it looks as though vehicle sales will once again drop – even after an abysmal 2018.
        
        The sector contracted for the 12th straight month in June and sales were down 2.8% in 2018. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        July 11, 2019 6:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    That’ll teach them for not “liking” angry andy.
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:02am
  - GoVege
    
    Poor sweet moocows…can’t they put them out to pasture?
    
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    July 11, 2019 1:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      They do, and then they bring them back and drain them for our cheese, butter and milk…… Yum.
      
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      July 11, 2019 6:49pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    … export log price values fell by between 30 and 40 per cent in the past fortnight.
    
    That suggests that global export prices are under attack. The GFC is overdue. Robbo, Ardern, Peters and GollyG will be powerless to hold back an econmic tsunami.
    
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    July 11, 2019 3:16pm
G152

The Air Force by dint of its service has to fly its aircraft to keep aircrew current.
Taking the feral family up to the Islands may well be used for that purpose.
But it is rich that the anti military cliche forgoes their screeching protests to use the military for their own ends
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July 11, 2019 8:53am
Monique Watson

And the DHB is in the red in the ‘Naki.
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July 11, 2019 8:58am
- Inandout
  
  Monique, Taranaki has been shafted in all directions by this government, and what do the population do…nothing. Kiwis are such a bend over lot and deserve all the shafting if they merely give in.
  
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  July 11, 2019 9:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Payback 2020”.
    
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    July 11, 2019 9:30am
Cobolt24

VW Says Goodbye to Beetle at Mexico Plant Making Room for SUV
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-10/vw-says-goodbye-to-beetle-at-mexico-plant-making-room-for-suv?srnd=premium-asia
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The real VW Beetle died in 2003 in their Mexican plant:
https://youtu.be/IvexnlHf6oc?t=160
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July 11, 2019 9:05am
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/northland-man-who-beat-tourist-unconscious-on-dream-holiday-gets-home-detention/

“Today defence lawyer Melissa Russell said at the time what may have sparked Tierney’s behaviour was that he was taking unprescribed steroids to help with weightlifting and was also drinking alcohol.

She said since then he had stopped taking steroids and drinking and his attitude had improved.

In a pre sentence report the probation officer said that Tierney had a great attitude, a good job and was remorseful.”

He was remorseful…. awesome, sounds like he shouldn’t be punished at all.

Watch for the reoffending in the future with a 45% recidivism rate. Higher among maori.
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July 11, 2019 9:21am
- kevn
  
  @Tall… Legal cannabis will play it’s part.
  
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  July 11, 2019 9:41am
- stephieboy
  
  Tall Man, your post is apparently contradicted by your 8.35am post,
  
  “Race is irrelevant.
  
  How do we weed these ferals out of our society?…”
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:06am
- Tall Man
  
  So far I have tried hard to avoid responding to steffy the ………… and I am pleased to say it seems that the rest of you have as well.
  
  steffy and a couple of others “need” our responses so I repeat the request that someone else made a few days earlier, ignore the sad sack.
  
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  July 11, 2019 6:47pm
Monique Watson

I wish they’d run headlines about the fucking economy instead of how Piddles the ‘first cat’ died. Jaysuz.
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July 11, 2019 9:23am
- Tall Man
  
  MSM = Click bait trash.
  
  Lots of hugz and feelz though.
  
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  July 11, 2019 9:31am
  - stephieboy
    
    Tall Man, rich irony alert yet again and again!
    
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    July 11, 2019 10:07am
- Cobolt24
  
  It’s not only spanning our media, I checked the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday and they had it on the front page! Good grief…
  
  Even the left wing daily blog thinks it’s not right.
  
  https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/07/11/its-funny-that-the-killing-of-the-pms-cat-gains-more-news-headlines-than-the-revelation-that-the-nzdf-showed-politicians-doctored-footage/
  
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  July 11, 2019 9:43am
- hullkiwi
  
  Monique I saw that story last night and posted it on yesterday’s GD.
  
  It seems the Labour spinmeisters are wanting attention diverted away from stories about PriNZess, Jethro and Squirrel what they are doing in the Cook Islands and how they got there.
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:07am
- GoVege
  
  Paddles, thank you.
  But you have a point.
  
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  July 11, 2019 1:24pm
hullkiwi

When are our bureaucracies going to understand that making stupid PR statements just makes their organisation look stupid, that they do not know what they are doing and they are taking all the public for fools.

I am referring to the latest utterance from Auckland’s Watercare yesterday about Auckland’s water reserves.

Last week it was, Auckland will have no more rain for the rest of the month, whoops got that wrong.

Then yesterday, last week’s rain was a helpful and the forecast for the rest of the month and of a wet August is good. But Auckland will still need to conserve water and we need 3 times the amount of rain to fall than average.

What a load of rubbish…the cliche about keeping one’s mouth shut when in doubt springs to mind!
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July 11, 2019 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If there is no shortage Watercare will make one to prove they were correct. Just drain a dam for cleaning and maintenance. Been done before in the 90’s I think
  
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  July 11, 2019 11:04am
Im Right

Question: With the shortage of HNZ accommodation and thousands looking for a house, how many currently occupied are too big for the current tenants?
It seems to me, a 3-4 bedroom house rented to a family with 2/3/4 kids is normal, BUT when the kids grow up (18+) and move then parent(s) are STILL living there….move them out! Give them alternate 2 bedroom house so the family cycle for that same family home can start over.
Why do people believe they are entitled to live in that same HNZ house till they die or the kids take it over??
THIS IS WHY LARGER FAMILY HNZ HOUSES ARE AS RARE AS HENS TEETH, parents should be moved out when the kids turn 18!
Or am I being ‘racist’, or am I ‘benefit bashing? I thought HNZ housing was to help till the renter’s could buy/rent in private sector….have I got that wrong and it’s now a home for life (and your kids after you it seems for some!?)
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July 11, 2019 9:28am
- alloytoo
  
  If a rational approach to a scarce resource is “Racist” and “Benefit bashing” then yes you are.
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:15am
- igm
  
  Ask Sepuloni, she has given tenants lifelong occupation, even if they damage, fail to maintain, fail to pay rent, or anything else that private landlords would find intolerable.
  Look at the state of many of these taxpayer-funded homes, they are absolutely disgusting, as are the occupants.
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:21am
- artemisia
  
  Except that the big shortage of state housing is the one and two bedroom sizes. Over half of those on the waiting list do not have children – single adults or adult couples – and eligible for a one beddie.
  
  They are building more but slowly, compared to the increasing waiting list.
  
  There’s a big problem arising – ask yourself why so many single adults are in need of priority state accommodation. Many will have issues and will end up in little apartments in medium to large blocks.
  
  Note to self – never buy anything where a couple of people off their meds can cause havoc for other occupants.
  
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  July 11, 2019 11:02am
  - Tall Man
    
    There is an enormous shortfall of “single” accommodation and that does probably need more research.
    
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    July 11, 2019 6:38pm
- cmm
  
  Around the corner from us are two oldies living in a 4 bedroom HNZ house where they have been living for decades.
  
  I’d rather they stay there – for purely selfish reasons.
  
  If they move out likely some scribble faced Mob family will move in – been seeing an uptick of those in Chch over the last year or so.
  
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  July 11, 2019 11:32am
  - igm
    
    At least oldies keep the grounds tidy . . . millenials invariably sit inside all day boozing, drugging and producing ferals for more income.
    These are the types that CoL are pandering to.
    
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    July 11, 2019 12:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I think there should be some concession allowing these people to take in boarders or similar.
      
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      July 11, 2019 6:39pm
Maggie Pie

On the basis my partner always says:
“Never ask a question you don’t know the ansa to” – he txts:

‘Who was the rich-lister that has provided his private jet to ferry the PM and her entourage to the Cooks and back again?’
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July 11, 2019 9:52am
- Monique Watson
  
  Don’t know Maggie but based on the company he keeps, I’ve got a name for him.
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:01am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, you can discount Bob Jones.
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:05am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, pray tell us?
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:09am
- igm
  
  I reckon it is “NZ Taxpayers”.
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:18am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Ardern doesn’t seem to care too much about her CO2 emissions does she? Small private jet to Cooks and back uses 8000L or 6.5tonnes of fuel – 20 tonnes of CO2.
  
  Doing same trip for 5 adults (assuming 3 person entourage) in economy class would only use 750kg – 2.5 tonnes of CO2. So she has used 10x more than necessary. Ladies and gentlemen our minister for Virtue Signalling.
  
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  July 11, 2019 10:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    She doesn’t give a fuck about you, me or anyone else that doesn’t generate a bunch of “likes”.
    
    I have never seen a more transparent con woman than ardern.
    
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    July 11, 2019 6:32pm
- 3-coil
  
  Maggie Pie (9:52am): It still won’t look good wrt Jacinda’s (already super-sized) carbon footprint though….oh that’s right, that only applies to the plebs!
  
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  July 11, 2019 11:17am
- toby1845
  
  James Cameron?????
  
  https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/more-celebrity-climate-change-hypocrites-like-superstar-rapper-drake-are-buying-carbon-spewing-private-jets-in-ever-increasing-numbers/
  
  http://teddyfeed.com/trending/luxury-yachts-and-private-jets-ob/
  
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  July 11, 2019 12:30pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Don’t know, don’t care but I will eat beef tonight and think “what a sad fuck he is”.
    
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    July 11, 2019 6:29pm
alloytoo

Anybody notice Campbells hit job on Winz on breakfast this morning.

He just can’t help himself.

Bet Jacinda can’t make him cry.
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July 11, 2019 10:16am
stephieboy

Shall we have a go at guessing whether this serial offender is Murri , Somali etc?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/113900077/tauranga-man-sentenced-to-indefinite-prison-term
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July 11, 2019 10:30am
- alloytoo
  
  I guess he was a man?
  
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  July 11, 2019 12:21pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Unlike steffy girl.
    
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    July 11, 2019 2:49pm
secondcumming

Something our *Building Industry* needs to take note of……particularly in Auckland

SKILLED LABOR ISN’T CHEAP.
CHEAP LABOR ISN’T SKILLED.
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July 11, 2019 10:50am
slightlyrighty

Watching Breakfast this morning, (So you don’t have to!) I noticed John Campbell pimping the poor again, and this was accompanied by the usual interview with a concerned Labour Politician.

This is what Labour do. They turn up, show concern, and either do fuck all (which is preferable) or decide on a course of action that makes the problem worse.

There has not been a single dent in the housing crisis. The rental crisis is getting worse. Manufacturing is falling, government spending is out of control, targets in health have been removed. Things are getting worse and worse and we have a government that does not have the skill, knowledge or fortitude to do what needs to be done. They are more content to embark on pet projects like Electric Cars, supporting the fishing industry at the expense of the sanctuary in the Kermadecs, while supporting the environment at the expense of the West Coast, and letting Stephen Jong Il throw billions of dollars of Flash Money down as many fiscal holes as he can find.
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July 11, 2019 11:19am
Notsofast

This made me laugh like a drain.

“China’s ambassador to Tonga, Wang Baodong, said China has only benevolent intentions in Tonga and no hidden agenda. “Some people in the West are being over-sensitive and too suspicious,” he said. “No need.” ”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12248546

They only have permanent rights to West Coast milk as well with the same obvious long term intent for total control.

Thanks Helen and John, and thanks Jacinda for continuance.
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July 11, 2019 11:22am
- Albert_Ross
  
  What exactly is your concern with Chinese ownership of milk production on the West Coast, for which a number of Kiwi farmers have been handsomely compensated?
  
  Ownership isn’t the same as control. The facilities are still subject to NZ environmental, labour and tax law. And the new owners have every commercial interest in keeping or making the business profitable and sustainable – why would you buy an asset and then destroy its value? What is the evil that you fear?
  
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  July 11, 2019 12:21pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    You are assuming that the Communist Party of China would only operate a facility for sustainable profit.
    How about operating it as a lever to put pressure on local politics in New Zealand?
    “This is a nice little marginal electorate you have here. It would be a shame if something were to happen to all the jobs of the people who work in our milk factory and all the suppliers and other operators involved…”
    
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    July 11, 2019 1:14pm
    - MCos
      
      You are assuming that the Chinese Communist Party bought the place.
      It was purchased by a subsidiary of Inner Mongolia Yili Industrial Group Co.,Ltd (Yili), which is listed on the Shanghai stock exchange. That is to say a public company.
      Presumably you can buy some shares if you fancy a good return. They seem to be quite successful.
      
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      July 11, 2019 3:49pm
      - Jack5
        
        China is a Communist state, MCos, and President Xi has re-committed the country to Marxism.
        
        China’s listed companies are not the same purely capitalist enterprises as Western ones. There is no way a company in a Communist state has the same freedom as a company in a Western country.
        
        Here’s an extract from a US Department of Agriculture report on rising Chinese agricultural investment abroad.
        
        As Chinese authorities have loosened national food self-sufficiency objectives, they have encouraged companies to gain greater control over the supply chain for imported agricultural products.
        
        Their “two markets, two kinds of resources” strategy calls for China’s demand for agricultural commodities to be met by a combination of domestic and foreign supplies.
        
        The strategy encourages Chinese companies to engage in each link of the supply chain for imported commodities to earn profits and gain influence over prices.”
        
        President Xi on Marxism:
        
        http://www.ecns.cn/2018/05-04/301396.shtml
        
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        July 11, 2019 4:59pm
Maggie Pie

What on earth is going on with people who live in Dunnedin?

Robin Keith Harris, 49 (looks 69), has been caught with his pants down masturbating in the Dunedin City Library. And its not the first time! He has also racked up previous convictions for other lewd acts – including committing indecencies on animals 🙁

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12248561

What really intrigues me, is why would he have a ‘wooden skewer’ through his nose?
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July 11, 2019 11:28am
- 3-coil
  
  Maggie Pie (11:28am) – well the odd folk of Dunedin did elect David Benson-Pope (aka “Panty Slut Boy”) to represent them as their Labour Party MP a few years back! Now’t so queer as folk!
  
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  July 11, 2019 1:05pm
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Benson Pope a Dunedin Councillor now ?
    
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    July 11, 2019 1:37pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Paulus
      Unfortunately. A washed up central government mediocrity gets his mouth on the local government teat (when he momentarily removes his improvised Spalding ball-gag). Parasites like David Benson Pope (DPB?) are the poster children for everything that is wrong with the politician-for-life system we have.
      
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      July 11, 2019 2:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And this dirty recidivist pervert gets Home D! His defence was he only went there ‘to borrow a book’. Either the Crown should appeal the sentence, or give that silly old Dudge his marching orders.
    
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    July 11, 2019 2:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
    3 -coil, why bring Benson Pope into it?
    
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    July 11, 2019 3:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  Maybe he was a bit “arse about face” at the time…
  
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  July 11, 2019 2:46pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, Robin Hansen I think his name. Another example of White Trash sewerage floating by?
  
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  July 11, 2019 3:03pm
  - Jack5
    
    Stephie X’s “White Trash sewerage” ….
    
    Hmm… still no Race Relations Commissioner in ? Stephiestan? ?
    
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    July 11, 2019 5:22pm
Fletch

Complaints about the high suicide rates in NZ, with the Maori Council asking David Clark to step down.

There are calls for the Health Minister to resign over the country’s high suicide rates.

Provisional statistics released by the Ministry of Health this week found 553 people took their own lives in 2016.

Matthew Tukaki, who is a board member for Suicide Prevention Australia and currently executive director for the New Zealand Maori Council, told Newshub David Clark needs to go.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/david-clark-should-step-down-over-suicide-rates-maori-council.html

The terrible irony is that while the suicide rate is so high, the govt is looking to make suicide legal. Yes, I know it is supposed to be only for those terminally ill but it still sends a bad signal and creates an atmosphere where this kind of thing is more accepted.

Overseas, legal euthanasia is even granted to people with depression. It’s sending the wrong message.
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July 11, 2019 11:36am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  honest question: Is there anything (economically realistic) that can be done to bring down the rate of suicide?
  
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  July 11, 2019 2:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Probably but it would require an admission that there is a deep seated problem within society and maori especially.
    
    In my mind, the more “psycho shit” we peddle out there the more we will suffer from this “blight”.
    
    Remember, these stats are based on successful attempts, not the failures and if that was the figure we focused on we might get some action.
    
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    July 11, 2019 2:45pm
    - Jack5
      
      We need to repeat frequently this evidence that, by international standards, New Zealand does not hafe a high suicide rate.
      
      This international group ranks the proportion of suicides in New Zealand as about 47th or 48th (you count) on an international scale.
      
      http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/
      
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      July 11, 2019 5:04pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Jack, you are right but… and it is a big but we have more deaths through suicide than car accidents, although that may change if ardern and the drug dealers get back in 2020.
        
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        July 11, 2019 6:24pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Wow, only Ireland Singapore and Italy are marginally lower than NZ. Rest of 1st world higher. So NZ is actually pretty damned good.
        
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        July 11, 2019 8:29pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes.
    
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    July 11, 2019 2:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Too lazy or just to hard for you to elaborate mikey?
      
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      July 11, 2019 6:25pm
Maggie Pie

We always have the tranny tuned to ‘Magic’ now between 9 and 4.
Did you realise that one of those new clowns they’ve got doing the noon shift on ZB is in his mid 70’s – and has had a Hip Replacement!

FFS. What were they thinking?
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July 11, 2019 12:10pm
- Fletch
  
  I have the radio set to The Mix in the car. But when I want to listen to music at night I ask Alexa to “Play Classic American Top 40”, to listen to old Casey Kasem shows at his 70s and 80s best. I can’t listen to today’s music.
  
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  July 11, 2019 12:43pm
  - Prince
    
    Try ‘Nashville Babylon’, 11pm Monday night National Program. The only decent thing on that station.
    
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    July 11, 2019 1:11pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Casey Kasem american top 40 was appalling overproduced maximum cheese shite with even worse music. DJ’s/linkers suck my will to live. I don’t care about [insert banal inoffensive anecdotal effort to appear relatable as segue to advertising], they are all tedious as hell.
    
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    July 11, 2019 8:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  Oi, I’ve heard that “hip replacement” can be quite an “exciting” change.. enervating even 😉
  
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  July 11, 2019 2:42pm
Tony Stuart

Saw this tweet from Julie Anne Genter this morning:

Julie Anne Genter @JulieAnneGenter

Last night I spoke the imported vehicle industry. I heard their concerns. And I shared mine.

The climate crisis is the biggest challenge of our time. It’s our generation’s WWII.

We are the first generation to feel its impacts. We are the last that can do anything about it.

9:28 AM – 11 Jul 2019

https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1149067945877766144

I found the comparison to WWII deeply offensive, and sent the following reply to Ms Genter:

My father went to WWII as something of a Jack-the-lad, and returned a deeply private man, prone to outbursts of anger, who never talked about his wartime experiences. Comparing Climate Change to the sacrifices he and his colleagues made cheapens and demeans their memory.

Since then my Twitter feed has gone ballistic with responses, all of which are highly critical of Ms Genter. If anyone else is offended or upset by her statement, might I suggest you let her and her office know; her email address is j.genter@ministers.govt.nz
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July 11, 2019 12:17pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Tony Stuart
  These zealous anthropomorphic climate change advocates, as exemplified by the deluded Genter, are control freaks of the highest order. It is they who are the biggest threat to us all. The Earth will be, and always has been, just fine. It is actually arrogant to suggest that humans are capable of causing such a catastrophe (an aside: look up the work of Randall Carlson – many well-reasoned and evidence-based presentations all over YouTube, for example – who explains in great detail the astounding history of cyclically recurring non-human-induced climate catastrophes).
  
  Simply by invoking an “emergency,” Eco-Communo-Fascists seek to remove or attenuate the foundational moral principle of individuals possessing autonomy, who are inherently ends in themselves. Even assuming for a moment that they are correct, any calls for “collective action” (as opposed to education and localised individual steps) only means we lose all say in the matter, and hand over more and more power and money to dominion-increasing bureaucrats.
  
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  July 11, 2019 1:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You don’t find it offensive at all.
  You are simply unable to appreciate the difference in scale between the largest (to date) of the very many wars between humans and a threat to all human life.
  
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  July 11, 2019 2:50pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Oh piss off! I DO find comparisons of climate change to a war in which tens of thousands of people died offensive, just as I would find comparisons of climate change to the Holocaust offensive. You don’t speak for me, so please don’t presume to.
    
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    July 11, 2019 3:40pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh dear
      That comments quite Smarmy Mikey
      
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      July 11, 2019 4:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Smack” mikey.
      
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      July 11, 2019 6:19pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think a few hundred years will put that argument into proper perspective.
      
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      July 11, 2019 7:34pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    mikenmildagain
    Lol. “Threat to all human life.” Don’t be hysterical. We should be far more concerned about the Earth passing through the Taurid Meteor Stream twice annually, in July and November, than we should be about a (totally speculative) rise in temperature of 2-4 degrees in 100 years. We ain’t seen ‘climate change’ like we would if a 500m wide object enters the atmosphere travelling at a velocity of 25,000 metres per second.
    
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    July 11, 2019 3:53pm
    - The Feed
      
      Clown World’s answer to that would be to tax it.
      
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      July 11, 2019 6:15pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Based on standard risk assessments of likelihood by scale of impact, the greatest risk for human extinction is currently an asteroid strike. Fortunately, it seems likely that within decades we will be able to reliably detect and deal with such occurrences.
      What we don’t have any data on, really, is the normal life cycle of civilisations on a planet like Earth.
      For all we know, it might be quite standard for planets to host intelligent life that is extinguished by natural or unnatural catastrophes like asteroid strikes or too-rapid climate change, etc.
      
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      July 11, 2019 7:42pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Did that really make sense to you mikey…..
    
    If it did/does, you’re in a worse state than I previously thought.
    
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    July 11, 2019 6:21pm
alloytoo

Of all my achievements yesterday the one I’m most pleased of is putting a digital version of my old (but still functional) Snoopy Tennis watch onto my Android Watch. (Lemfo LES2)

http://www.crazywatches.pl/snoopy-tennis-mystery-dial-timex-1958

Literally made my day.
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July 11, 2019 12:19pm
- Fletch
  
  My brother has done that – using the Windows app to come up with his own watch face, but OMG, the number of permissions and log-ins and whatnot he had to create to actually get it onto the watch was mind boggling.
  
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  July 11, 2019 12:40pm
- Tall Man
  
  You gotta have goals…. and in many place, gaols.
  
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  July 11, 2019 2:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You nasty lefties.
https://babylonbee.com/news/another-woman-comes-forward-to-accuse-trump-of-existing-against-her-wishes
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July 11, 2019 12:28pm
Maggie Pie

Frm my twitter feed:
Dont hold back cousin – tell us what you REALLY think 🙂

https://twitter.com/mobcousinminkle/status/1148754604445728768
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July 11, 2019 2:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Mobcousinminkle” ?
  
  Mother or father’s side?
  ‏
  
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  July 11, 2019 2:52pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Both 🙂
    
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    July 11, 2019 5:29pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Just like steffy girl.
      
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      July 11, 2019 6:17pm
Batman

https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/114148863/qanon-fans-and-other-conspiracy-theorists-taint-justice-they-seek

Some interesting takes in this piece. I’m sure a few here will be triggered by it but there are definitely similarities to some of the themes and theories posted about on KB, sometimes presented as fact when clearly not… All part of the debate mind you!
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July 11, 2019 4:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Kiwiblog is infested with many extremely credulous people. Unfortunately, over the years we seem to have lost some of the more extreme (and thus more entertaining) of that ilk: Redbaiter, D4J, Ugly Truth, Shawn Herles, EAD, etc.
  I wish I could put their absence down to an improvement in the quality of debate, but I fear it is simply so exhausting for these guys to maintain so many contradictory beliefs at once that they just burn out.
  
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  July 11, 2019 7:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A nice quiet jet (757?) just flew in to Whenuapai.
Wonder who is on board?
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July 11, 2019 5:28pm
- sooty
  
  Cindys shitting her self!
  Was she on it?
  Did it only come back to hide in plane site?
  Is it going back to pick her up?
  Is Jethro and the m3diaworks team still there?
  
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  July 11, 2019 5:57pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    Are you the full quid sooty ?
    
    If you are, then you are a stalking creep with nothing better to do.
    
    I bet if you were on holiday and someone with nothing better to do hounded you, you would be running to the cops crying foul.
    
    Grow up son, get a life.
    
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    July 11, 2019 7:43pm
    - sooty
      
      Labour voter are you?
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:06pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        No.
        
        Not that that has anything to do with you.
        
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        July 11, 2019 9:15pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Stalking creep seems not inaccurate. I wonder if he tracked JK’s trips to Hawaii or Helen’s ones to far off tramping tracks …
      
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      July 11, 2019 9:28pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Following the amazing reaction Jaca received in Christchurch, she engages in a further stint of ‘role-playing’ on the return journey from the Cooks by dressing as an Emirates Hostess 🙂
  
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  July 11, 2019 6:32pm
Fletch

Very cheeky cartoon by the NZ Taxpayers Union….

https://www.facebook.com/nztaxpayers/photos/a.448026671968025/2055052777932065/?type=3&theater
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July 11, 2019 7:20pm
Hugh Pavletich

… UNITED STATES …

Skyrocketing home prices fueled by increase in land cost, says Harvard University study – Washington Times

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/9/skyrocketing-home-prices-fueled-by-increase-in-lan/

Skyrocketing U.S. home prices, which have surpassed bubble levels of 2005-06, are being driven by a dramatic increase in the cost of residential land, according to Harvard University’s Joint Center for Housing Studies.

From 2012 to 2017, the median price per acre of residential land for existing single-family homes nationwide jumped 27%, from $159,800 to $203,000, researchers say. Such increases are fueling an affordability crisis for first-time home buyers and renters, with new home construction struggling to “barely keep pace” with the number of new households.

Compounding the sluggishness in housing construction is a tight labor market, excess housing supply built up in the boom before the Great Recession and “most significantly” regulatory constraints on development, according to Harvard’s “State of the Nation’s Housing 2019” report.

“These [regulatory] constraints, largely imposed at the local level, raise costs and limit the number of homes that can be built in places where demand is highest,” said Chris Herbert, managing director of the Joint Center for Housing Studies. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Definition Of An Affordable Housing Market – Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html

2019 15th Annual demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Access Harvard study …
  
  https://www.jchs.harvard.edu/state-nations-housing-2019
  
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