General Debate 9 June 2019

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artemisia

Year of Delivery – Labour’s report card for Education.

http://www.laboursreportcard.co.nz
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June 9, 2019 8:06am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  25 delivered and 31 partially delivered is good enough for us to vote Labour – Sheeple
  
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  June 9, 2019 8:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    25 is more than fingers and toes so it’s all good.
    
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    June 9, 2019 9:16am
    - pdm
      
      So they have over achieved then because 21 would have been enough.
      
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      June 9, 2019 9:54am
      - Tall Man
        
        Yep.
        
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        June 9, 2019 2:32pm
- Swifty
  
  Brutal.
  
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  June 9, 2019 8:27am
Rob2

So the mods are still asleep again.
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June 9, 2019 8:07am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Post a comment. Go and have breakfast. Set the washing machine. Do morning chores. Come back and see if comment is out of moderation.
  Wash, rinse, repeat. (The washing, that is.)
  
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  June 9, 2019 8:15am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Only time I get moderated is if I make a spelling mistake and correct it in edit, not sure why that happens.
    Post in your name, really does make think what you say, it does in my case, and you are posted asap.
    
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    June 9, 2019 9:49am
- Alien
  
  Ask for a refund on your subscription, oh wait it’s all free and done by moderators donating their time for free.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:25am
3-coil

I just read a great piece of first-class journalism on front page of DomPost Weekend: head girl of St Catherine’s College complaining about a city councilor telling her that he’d been involved in transport governance since before she was “even a twinkle”. Outrageous!

She hit back that it was “a bit crap to talk down to me” and that her opinion is as valid as “white baby boomers”. The teachers at her elitist school, and maybe her parent(s), have apparently indoctrinated her with a great sense of entitlement…but not so hot on hypocrisy, racism, ageism etc etc. She should be grateful it wasn’t Speaker Trev Mallard calling her a “silly little girl” then she’d really have something to bitch and moan about.

Why is the DomPost dying a long slow death when it’s giving us front-page breaking news of this calibre? And why is the Labour/NZFirst government not paying the teachers whatever they’re demanding, when they’re doing such a great job “educating” the children our parents entrust to them? (…well at least the parents who can afford to send their kids to St Catherine’s).
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June 9, 2019 8:37am
- sooty
  
  I think you can safely say that she would have bee to the forfront of the maori day off movement for kiddies recently.
  
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  June 9, 2019 8:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  well at least the parents who can afford to send their kids to St Catherine’s).
  
  I don’t think you would find many posh kids at St Caths.
  
  St Catherine’s is a lower-decile, small, integrated secondary school for Girls in Kilbirnie.
  Its catchment is from the poorer suburbs of Southern Wellington – Lyall Bay, Miramar, Kilbirnie, Newtown.
  The higher decile integrated Girls College in Wellington is St Mary’s.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:13am
  - artemisia
    
    Poorer suburbs in south Wellington? No such thing.
    
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    June 9, 2019 10:09am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think many of the families at St Caths (36% Maori/P.I.; 31% Middle-East/African/Asian) will be in rentals or Council Housing.
      https://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/find-school/school/population/trends?district=&region=&school=284
      (I taught at a neighbouring school… so know the background of kids from this area)
      
      Re House prices in Southern suburbs of Wellington…
      A year or two before we left Island Bay, our street started filling up with folks employed at Weta Studios…
      A once less than desirable location had become trendy.
      Thank-you Peter Jackson & Richard Taylor…we couldn’t have retired in our 50s without you.
      
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      June 9, 2019 4:44pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Makes me chuckle Maggy… average prices in the poorer suburbs are now well over $800,000.
    
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    June 9, 2019 2:29pm
- John Warren
  
  Sweets, you’ve barely ceased sucking Mummy’s tit. Go home and watch the cartoons.
  
  Sickeningly entitled, know-all youth being given oxygen and air time is a huge problem with potential enormous repercussions for society. You can’t tell them, you’re not allowed to tell them these days, that opinions without experience are without merit, and the only way to gain experience is to stick around a while.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:19am
- Gravelroad
  
  Students are encouraged to have views and opinions – but not respect.
  Having said that, the Councillor should have had more maturity than to dismiss this student’s opinion by trying to belittle her.
  Reminds me of the time, many years ago, when as a journalism student we visited Parliament and were granted an audience with Keith Holyoake. One of our number asked a question which was laughed at and completely rubbished by the great man and the young questioner was very embarrassed ?
  It was never forgotten by that group of future reporters, editors and TV journos.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:42am
  - Overworked
    
    Agree. I think they deserve each other – a semi-rude passive-aggressive question too broad to answer and a semi-rude reply.
    
    With a question like that, she didn’t deserve to be treated like and adult. And she needs to realise that adult discussions aren’t as preciously careful as the teachers at school. Adults tend to be forthright and to forego care for feelings to some extent. I hope both parties have the decency to be embarrassed, but I suspect not.
    
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    June 9, 2019 4:24pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  As a travelling man, I always used, “I was in Baghdad before you were in your Dads bag.”
  Fortunately, I worked most of my life not surrounded by young generation know it alls.
  The only real exception was Car controller for Budget Rentals in Auckland, I was the great Granddady in my early forties. I always thought Bob had a employment requirement of being young, female, a minimum D Cup. He was a trailblazer really, he had alot more women employed than men.
  When he jetted in from Aussie, it was a requirement of management to have the biggest cup attractive personell to hand over the keys.
  The other laugh I used to get was in Rotorua, Winston used to jet in every week and take a car to Tauranga. He was a pain in the arse, he obviously couldn’t drive a manual, and I used to spend serious money at times satisfying his needs.
  One week I bought a spare automatic from Wellington to do the short trip to Tauranga.
  I am sure he is much more aware of CO2 and its consequences these days.
  Rotorua was always exciting, back windows shot out, big bags of hootch left in the boot, never a dull moment.
  
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  June 9, 2019 10:05am
  - sooty
    
    Now days he has the limo meet him at the airport!
    
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    June 9, 2019 10:12am
- godruelf
  
  I was actually pleased to read this report and excellent news that Calvi-Freeman is pissing the youth vote off as well. This was the twat who called 111 over a road cone protest on the Island Bay cycleway and also called for tooting in the Mt Vic tunnel to be banned. The man is already at the bottom of my preference list in November the more people he upsets the better.
  
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  June 9, 2019 12:58pm
freethinker

Trump Triumphs again- despite Nasty Pelosi and her nest of Democratic Vipers supported by MSM and some dubiously impartial Judges Trump is solving the Mass invasion through Mexico without spending a $, how you ask? Simple threaten Mexico with a 5% tariff on all Mexican exports to US increasing by another 5% a month until Mexico stops the traffic, result Mexico’s president asks for urgent meeting and then takes action to stop the invasion and Trump removes tariffs. Thats how you get things done Nancy and no money spent.
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June 9, 2019 8:41am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  No need to build that wall then.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:04am
  - Rob2
    
    Plenty of need.
    You should leap outta your seat, book a flight and go have a look.
    But you won’t.
    Too lazy.
    
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    June 9, 2019 9:31am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’ll be happy to rely on your on-the-scene report as to how that wall looks, and how much the Mexican government has paid for it.
      
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      June 9, 2019 10:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Too labour”.
      
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      June 9, 2019 10:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    Imagine living in a country where you have a leader that is focussed on improving the wellbeing of his citizens and doing his best to honour his election promises……
    
    He must be real bastard eh mikey….. Much better to elect someone who hasn’t got a clue about anything outside a chip shop and whose election promises weren’t made as a leader so are not relevant post election.
    
    You wouldn’t seriously wonder about people who happily supported such a dishonest person wouldn’t you?
    
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    June 9, 2019 9:31am
- John Warren
  
  I fist pumped when I saw that the Mexicans had caved in, practically straight away.
  
  Donald goes about these things the right way. Call their bluff, make ’em jump.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:22am
  - Colville
    
    Same.
    
    Its funny how people say the tariffs will hurt Americans…
    
    Tariffs will put the price of certain goods (cars mainly) up… those goods will be less attractive..and the longer that goes on the more likely that factories in Mexico will shut.
    
    If a factory in Mexico shuts there will be more than a few states in the good ole USA that would love to have it open again making cars in America for Americans.
    
    Imagine that. Americans being a manufacturing country once again.
    
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    June 9, 2019 12:05pm
oldgolfer

TV 3 poll tonight?
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June 9, 2019 8:48am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Yes, the results will be on the 3 news tonight and there should be a Colmar Brunton soon after that.
  
  It will be interesting to see if ACT and the New Conservatives are up due to National supporting the knee-jerk firearm confiscation legislation by the government.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:10am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The margins of error for such polls are usually too wide to record movements in popularity for such fringe groups.
    
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    June 9, 2019 10:07am
- Tall Man
  
  Fabricated as well I would think.
  
  Remember the “silent majority” in Australia.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:14am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    The problem in Australia is that traditionally these polls were alot more accurate when everyone had a landline, as they have disappeared, so has accuracy.
    Some polls are alot worse than others, of course if youare a completely left leaning body like the ABC, the voting will be reflected in this.
    One thing that has never disappeared in Australian politics, if you get 40% plus primary vote, you are over the line.
    
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    June 9, 2019 10:11am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yes Tall Man,
    So many in the msm are now politically compromised to the extent that I have little confidence that poll results will not be manipulated and published in some way that will not quite be a true reflection of people’s answers.
    And I never thought I would say that……….
    
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    June 9, 2019 10:16am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Irrelevant polls driven by the despairing. They’ll show what the want to show, not reality. Expect a rout in 2020 against the COL.
    ☑️ ☑️
    
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    June 9, 2019 12:28pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  With the focus being on how badly Bridges is polling as preferred Prime Minister no doubt.
  
  I’ll pass thanks, I am bald but I think I’ll wash my hair.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:16am
- Happychappy
  
  The one thing you will get in this poll will be what the parties percentage of the vote will be but you won’t get the true question of what is asked to recieve that percentage. Tova will be to busy trying to put words into other peoples mouths to get a true reflection.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    The “don’t knows” are the key.
    
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    June 9, 2019 10:11am
Yvette

Govt criticised for silence on Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary
The Government’s lack of progress on the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary proposal is embarrassing, the former minister for Environment has said on World Oceans Day.
“Our message today on World Oceans Day is that we need to get on and create this huge reserve because New Zealand needs to make a contribution to protecting Oceans globally”.
The World Wildlife Fund also agrees that giving the sanctuary the go ahead is long overdue, but conservation organisations are completely in the dark about what is happening with the proposal. [1]

It seems Winston’s New Zealand First has pulled the plug on it.
The Party which won only 7.2% last Election – polling maybe about half that now – but selected the Government and calls the more important shots.
• Eleventh hour striking out of Andrew Little’s 3 Strikes law changes
• Destruction of the Capital Gains Tax – Shane Jone’s boast
• Kermadec sanctuary sunk, purportedly at the behest of NZ First’s fishing sponsors

Even when an issue is nothing to do with Winston, he must be first –
He said the information obtained by National had been acquired illegally.
Asked if he had seen evidence which proved this, Peters said: “Of course”.
When pressed on how he knew, Peters said it was “my job to know”. [2]

Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary put on ice by NZ First, catching Greens unaware
New Zealand’s biggest ocean sanctuary is dead in the water, in a Winston Peters deal that has blindsided the Greens.
The 620,000 sq km Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary, announced by John Key at the United Nations in 2015, was hailed around the world and passed its first reading in Parliament unopposed.
But fishing companies and iwi bodies filed legal action opposing it, saying the sanctuary would deny them fishing rights agreed in Treaty settlements.
NZ First, whose senior MPs are close to the fishing industry and whose campaign was partly bankrolled by players in the fishing industry, demanded Labour stop the sanctuary. – stuff, October 22 2017 [3]

How many times will Labour and the Greens make the same mistake –
New Zealand First means ask Winston first

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/391563/govt-criticised-for-silence-on-kermadec-ocean-sanctuary
[2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12235580
[3] https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/98122008/kermadec-ocean-sanctuary-put-on-ice-by-nz-first-catching-greens-unaware
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June 9, 2019 8:55am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “Destruction of the Capital Gains Tax – Shane Jone’s boast”
  
  Thank goodness for that! Do you really want part of your property stolen for the ‘public good’?
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:39am
  - Hacked-Off
    
    I down ticked on the assumption this was not sarcastic – if I am mistaken then I apologize. Winston only opposed this right at the last moment and could have put this to bed as soon as it was proposed instead of causing Kiwis angst about CGT. That Mr 7% could do that was only due to National’s resistance to the CGT from the start, otherwise he would not have a pot to piss in.
    
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    June 9, 2019 3:51pm
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… Thanks, I do enjoy your posts.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:43am
Happychappy

Obviously the ChristChurch shooting signaled a story on White Supremacy but have we really got a problem with them in NZ.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/391589/intelligence-agencies-white-supremacist-blind-spot
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June 9, 2019 9:04am
- Tall Man
  
  About time as well… we really need to rid the world of the thousands of mindless attacks by suicidal white supremacists occurring almost daily around the world and in New Zealand……
  
  I just can’t figure out why these “white supremacists” think they’re going to heaven with 70 virgins………
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:25am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    It has always intrigued me, whats the use of 70 virgins if you have blown yourself into a zillion pieces along with the targeted non believers.
    If your member and swingers have been sent a hundred metres down the road, in separate directions.
    The other obvious question you would ask, how is it you morph all of sudden, to be a wholesome shag machine to take on the 70 virgins.
    I need alot more convincing this is a sound strategy.
    Maybe someone can enlighten me.
    
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    June 9, 2019 10:23am
    - Tall Man
      
      Maybe someone can enlighten me.
      
      Certainly… it’s all about the “feelz” ……….
      
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      June 9, 2019 10:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s the soul that enters Jannah.
      
      Doesn’t matter if you die young, old, deformed, in bits… if you qualify to enter Paradise, you go in a perfect, youthful state.
      
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      June 9, 2019 11:09am
      - Swifty
        
        Among the greatest lies ever told.
        
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        June 9, 2019 11:17am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        “Doesn’t matter if you die young, old, deformed, in bits… if you qualify to enter Paradise, you go in a perfect, youthful state.”
        Does that mean if your soul enters Jannah as a female, you become a virgin and are betrothed Jannah style to whom is decided for you. Very similar to here down on earth in certain religions.
        Sorry Maggy, I am not convinced that this statement could ever be quantified beyond doubt.
        How can you have a ratio of 70:1 entering Jannah, this is surely an impossible statistic, or are the virgins just created out of thin air.
        This statement is pure fantasy if it cannot be logically argued.
        Bit like Catholics annulling a marriage, it is just a loophole to get round the churches rules, can you have a dozen annulments, I have an ex brother in law with three and counting.
        I guess it is the old rule, don’t believe everything you are told or read.
        Thanks for your input, relegion throws up some fairly quirky assumptions, many are never answered on crocrete evidence, just assumptions.
        
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        June 9, 2019 12:37pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        I know I have spelt religion incorrectly.
        
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        June 9, 2019 12:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Greg Ettridge
        
        I’m merely reporting the interpretation of the texts in the Koran and associated writings.
        
        I am an atheist and have no truck with any belief that professes the existence of souls or afterlives.
        
        But if we work and live with folks of various faiths, I reckon it pays to have an inkling of what they believe and hold dear to heart.
        
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        June 9, 2019 1:28pm
    - Jack5
      
      Seventy virgins – AND perpetually beautiful and magically immediately virgin again.
      
      If you left your private parts behind, I guess you could start a Heavenly Brothel for those who didn’t blow their way through the Pearly Gates.
      
      Free, of course, and your profit could be only smarmy heavenly citizenship praise.
      
      Has any other religion offered such sucker bait?
      
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      June 9, 2019 11:15am
      - Jack5
        
        Whoops, sorry, too late to add this to my previous post …
        
        The Red Radio article Happychappy links to above includes:
        
        “Data from multiple sources shows the rate of murders or attacks by white supremacists since 2008 in the US is far outpacing Islamic extremist violence.”
        
        But take the data back to 2000. About 3000 were killed in the 2001 attacks by (mainly Saudi) Muslim terrorists.
        
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        June 9, 2019 11:40am
      - Swifty
        
        ‘….white supremacists since 2008 in the US is far outpacing Islamic extremist violence….’
        
        But it’s not for the lack of trying, or of will.
        
        Hats off to the US security and intelligence services.
        
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        June 9, 2019 3:11pm
    - stephieboy
      
      I think most people who think of White Supremacy have these kind of things in mind,
      
      https://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/
      
      And this,
      
      https://www.bbc.com/timelines/z86nfg8
      
      Not 70 virgins or the the state souls enter Jannah.
      
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      June 9, 2019 12:34pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Stop pushing the “Democrats” in NZ.
        
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        June 9, 2019 2:21pm
    - Yvette
      
      Greg Ettridge – 72 virgin not 70, then there is that other issue …
      ’The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San’a.
      – Al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 4, Ch. 21, No. 2687
      
      This version is up-front about the extras: 80,000 servants.
      What in the Hell (sorry, Paradise) do you do with them … or they do for you?
      Maybe they help look for what you suggest may have been turned into microscopic proportions?
      
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      June 9, 2019 1:31pm
- BrownSnake
  
  Morning and Night I check under the bed for skinheads.
  
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  June 9, 2019 10:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    Making sure they’re there to protect you?
    
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    June 9, 2019 2:22pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    Sorry morning noon and night
    
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    June 9, 2019 5:40pm
- The King
  
  Ah the diversity supremacists at it again i see. Notice at the very beginning of the article they equate “White Supremacy” with “the far right” almost instantly.
  
  Can you see what these marxist lairs who write these articles are doing here?
  
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  June 9, 2019 11:38am
- KevO'Brien
  
  One lone wolf doesn’t make NZ a nation of terrorists. Pots are calling kettles black.
  
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  June 9, 2019 12:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    One Australian you mean.
    
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    June 9, 2019 2:23pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Amend if you like to “one visiting lone wolf”. The twitchy are still projecting onto others their own flawed attitudes. Some would destroy all they disagree with.
      
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      June 9, 2019 4:01pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Normally corrupt politicians use such an event to attack thier enemies… This lot are no different.
        
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        June 9, 2019 4:42pm
mikenmildagain

Happy Coral Triangle Day!
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June 9, 2019 9:05am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Scraping the barrel there, Miken…
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:40am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Why do you hate preserving biodiversity?
    
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    June 9, 2019 9:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Why do you come on this blog and post your venomous thoughts?
      
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      June 9, 2019 1:46pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        For the lulz, of course. And I quite enjoy correcting others’ mistakes, like the nonsense about JFK and Vietnam yesterday.
        
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        June 9, 2019 2:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep,
        You sure surpassed yourself yesterday making jokes about folks with brain tumours.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/general_debate_8_june_2019.html#comment-2505307
        
        Gee, you really showed all of us up as lacking a funny bone.
        Keep up the good work.
        Jacinda will be so proud of her kindness ambassadors on KB.
        
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        June 9, 2019 3:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m sorry to hear that the main construction at Tapu Te Ranga Marae, Island Bay burnt down last night.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113340258/marae-on-fire-in-island-bay-wellington
It was a monument to recycling – having been constructed from car crates in the main.

I often used to lunch over there when I was helping plant up their hillsides.
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June 9, 2019 9:21am
- Rob2
  
  Deathtrap.
  Anyone else did that then the building would be condemned and bulldozed.
  
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  June 9, 2019 9:33am
  - sooty
    
    Is that anywhere near the land the maori sold recently!
    
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    June 9, 2019 10:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      No.
      
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      June 9, 2019 1:47pm
  - Jack5
    
    How did they get building permits for it?
    
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    June 9, 2019 11:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The first construction – a macrocarpa whare – was built when Michael Fowler was Mayor…and may not have satisfied building requirements, but I’m pretty sure the main construction that just burnt down was well up-to-code.
      (basically it had to be as it catered for groups for stayed overnights).
      
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      June 9, 2019 2:09pm
- Swifty
  
  I was born on the corner of Eden and Danube.
  
  Used to play at the farm.
  
  As a young adult flatted in Rhine St too.
  
  Bruce had a bit of a reputation……
  
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  June 9, 2019 11:21am
- Swifty
  
  As kids in Island Bay our family GP was a Dr Tom Farrar.
  
  His kids turned out to be ne’er do wells. 🙂
  
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  June 9, 2019 11:23am
Rob2

Mackay: I said to you it’s very uncertain times in the world at the moment. We’ve got Trump. We’ve got Trump versus China. We’ve got Brexit, we’ve got trade wars, we’ve got tariffs – you name it there are so many headwinds against free trade around the world. But you’re suggesting the problem is not Donald Trump, the problem is China – and we refuse to recognise it in this country.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=12237949

good read.
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June 9, 2019 9:33am
Alien

Here’s an idea. Instead of raising the minimum wage, how about our government look at ways to reduce the cost of living. The first place to look is reduce the taxes on fuel. Starting reducing personal tax and put more money back in people’s pockets.

The money is there to do it. Get rid of the Shane Jones bribe fund. Get rid of the students free university bribe. Stop giving so much money overseas, it is a waste of money thinking if you give money to the islands it will keep china out.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112319249/minimum-wage-not-enough-to-sustain-a-family-in-auckland

“It is often working families who earn minimum wage who are first at our door seeking our help. The reality is that $17.70 an hour before tax simply is not enough to sustain a family here in Auckland or in many other parts of our country.

I am a strong advocate of the ‘Living Wage Campaign’ which encourages employers to pay a liveable wage and not a minimum wage.

The difference between the minimum wage and the living wage is $4.80. In other words, the message to employers is that it is okay to pay $4.80 per hour less than what is actually needed to pay for the necessities of life and participate as an active citizen in the community.”
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June 9, 2019 9:44am
- Tall Man
  
  Are you currently in the work force? Are you currently employing anyone?
  
  As an employer, we pay well above industry rates which means we attract the cream of the crop.
  
  We have in the past employed those that were not. Why should we pay someone a decent wage when we are not getting a decent worker?
  
  Many that have never employed staff think as you do. Spend some time as an employer and you may see the problem.
  
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  June 9, 2019 10:07am
  - Alien
    
    Not sure if your questions are for me or the part of the article I posted. I started working tall man when I was 6. Working after school, weekends and holidays in family business. I worked all my life including in my own business until my health packed it in. So yes personally and my family have owned several businesses were we employed people.
    
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    June 9, 2019 6:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The comment was directed at you because paying an extra $4.80 per hour is almost an extra $100 per week or $5,000 per year.
      
      If the worker is any good they will already be on the [ath to higher wages but suggesting that all workers, regardless of ability, are worth that extra is ludicrous.
      
      Until we manage to increase productivity we are destined to remain a low wage economy for unskilled workers with a poor attitude.
      
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      June 9, 2019 7:15pm
- artemisia
  
  The Treasury is on the record saying they the main benefits of the so-called living wage go to young single workers and the government coffers, including increased tax / reduced transfers for the latter.
  
  The Treasury also said a while back that only 6% of those potentially eligible for the living wage fitting the demographic it was based on.
  
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  June 9, 2019 10:18am
- B Phillips
  
  I got well told off by an angry leftie for me ‘reckons’ when I answered twitter thread on this subject. She was complaining how the poor needed more $$ and how evil WINZ not only for unemployment but also the working poor.
  My answer to axe WFF, Corporate welfare and stupid spending then drop the company and personal tax rates in a significant way would solve those issues was just stupid.
  
  They don’t want to solve the issues and give people freedoms, the left want to lock them in even tighter.
  
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  June 9, 2019 12:10pm
  - Alien
    
    ah But the left think if you tax more you can redistribute the wealth, without thinking of how that will put up the cost of living. They’re stuck in a cycle
    
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    June 9, 2019 2:07pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Had me at lower taxes, look at the USA, the minute they lowered taxes the economy jumped forward, unemployment fell (more people participating in the betterment of the country).
  Lost me at “living wage”, this just becomes the new Minimum wage and forces all wage costs to business’ up.
  My solution:
  Leave the dole where it is,
  push up pensions (as a reward for a lifetime spent building this country)
  Limit Working for families
  Limit other “emergency benefits” to REAL need.
  Streamline all govt. depts. There’s a lot of waste.
  Encourage, via tax incentives, people to “Go private” for health and education.
  Cancel the rediculous rail/public transport projects
  Cancel “…Shane Jones bribe fund. Get rid of the students free university bribe. Stop giving so much money overseas, it is a waste of money thinking if you give money to the islands it will keep china out.” as you say.
  Put ALL petrol/ RUC taxes into ROADS for the next 5 years. Then cancel all the petrol taxes.
  
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  June 9, 2019 12:43pm
  - Alien
    
    ACC was meant to be self funding by this year, seems under labour that has been pushed out five more years until it is self funding and ACC taxes removed
    
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    June 9, 2019 2:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The “living wage” is a bit of a laugh. The number was derived by commissioning the Anglican Family Centre boffins. They got two “living wages”; one for Auckland and another for the rest of NZ. They chickened out on using the Auckland one which was about $6/hr more and the only one shown is the lower–Auckland loses out.
  
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  June 9, 2019 3:54pm
Alien

A good time for people to check their emergency kit

“Warning after earthquakes on Alpine Fault rattle Queenstown, Wanaka area

GeoNet has issued a warning following a magnitude 5.5 quake this morning near Milford Sound.

The seismologist on duty at Geonet said the quake appeared to have occurred on the Alpine Fault.

“This fault system has the potential for larger events,” Geonet tweeted. “We would like to make sure that you are prepared for a large earthquake at all times.”“

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12238646
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June 9, 2019 10:11am
brett68

Here’s an idea. Instead of raising the minimum wage, how about our government look at ways to reduce the cost of living.

Why would politicians want to do that?

The objective of politics in NZ is to rake in as much tax as possible because you can then use that tax money to bribe voters at election time which hopefully keeps you at the big trough

Cutting the cost of living runs completely counter to that methodology.
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June 9, 2019 10:48am
artemisia

Nice post from Roger Partridge on 10 best ways for our government to helpfully police to improve the quality of our lives?

#10 is my fave – Tall, fit and especially good-looking people who pose an unfair reminder to the rest of us about our physical shortcomings.

Let’s do this.

https://nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/opinion/more-inspiration-from-barmy-britain/
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June 9, 2019 10:49am
Durden

The Lancet says this about itself — “The Lancet is committed to applying scientific knowledge to improve health and advance human progress. In our weekly issues, and online first content, we publish some of the best science from the best scientists worldwide, providing an unparalleled global reach and impact on health. ”

But it has gone totally political with this leader for an article — “Italy has been witnessing a rapid escalation towards racism and xenophobia since the new government came into power in June, 2018.”
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)30216-8/fulltext?dgcid=raven_jbs_etoc_email

Apparently Doctors are now political activists because — “This action is not only an ethical and moral duty, but also a deontological obligation of medical doctors, who must defend these rights regardless of race, religious creed, gender, skin colour, socioeconomic status, or nationality.”

The march of strident lefty progressivism through the professional institutions continues.

PS: In moral philosophy, deontological ethics or deontology (from Greek δέον, deon, “obligation, duty”) is the normative ethical theory that the morality of an action should be based on whether that action itself is right or wrong under a series of rules, rather than based on the consequences of the action.

So “Operation was successful but the patient died” is acceptable.
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June 9, 2019 11:02am
- BrownSnake
  
  In NZ I saw a Book on Leonardo Da Vinci
  it had scribble on it
  
  Tongan for “Sh*t”
  
  Do you think that is Racist or
  Just disrespectful?
  
  In all my life that was the worst thing I have ever seen? in NZ but since then the world has got worse.
  
  I was lucky to have books on him.
  
  You do realise he was a military engineer first painter last and came from quite a difficult background.
  
  His priority was to protect Italy and it’s people
  he was a genius.
  
  Is Italian Culture and its people unique beautiful precious or Not?
  
  Let’s hope the people coming to Italy have more respect than some in NZ?
  
  Racism is always a 2 way street isn’t it?
  
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  June 9, 2019 3:48pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And the grammar is gone again.
    
    You’re a league man aren’t you browny?
    
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    June 9, 2019 5:06pm
    - BrownSnake
      
      Jesus you are getting a bit picky aren’t you.
      
      Grammar.
      
      Aussie, Italians, Greeks, Macedonians are big on…
      
      RESPECT.
      
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      June 9, 2019 6:01pm
- BrownSnake
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/10/bourke-street-attack-popular-restaurant-owner-sisto-malaspina-identified-as-victim
  
  Sisto Malaspina of Melbourne, Aussie/Italian was not racist he was a kind hearted man who went to help put someones car out that was on fire.
  
  Paid with his life for that act of kindness.
  
  He did not know it was packed with Gas Bottles
  and was meant to explode.
  
  His act saved lives.
  
  I would just like to Add one of the 3 major court cases in Aus that happened while Jacinda was in France was the Charging of the Brother of the Gentlemen he attempted to save, who re paid him
  by murdering him.
  
  I have a lot of respect for Italians beautiful people
  I do not think they are racist.
  
  Generous positive Kind Hearted
  
  RIP
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaFdpS2knV8
  
  Respect is a 2 way street you show respect to other
  people and their culture, it is returned and they share it with you.
  
  Their Food their hospitality.
  
  RESPECT
  
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  June 9, 2019 6:28pm
Fletch

Just to update you on social media platforms that endorse free speech and where you won’t get banned for speaking your mind –

https://gab.com/
https://home.parler.com/
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June 9, 2019 11:04am
Maggie Pie

If you see someone crying, ask if it’s because of their haircut.
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June 9, 2019 11:06am
- Alien
  
  oh I thought it was because I was standing on their foot
  
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  June 9, 2019 1:59pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    There is that i suppose – quite often they’ve only been given 6 months to live.
    
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    June 9, 2019 3:33pm
    - Alien
      
      Who the hell would downvote your comment, sad
      
      If I could I’d give you a hundred upvotes
      
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      June 9, 2019 6:01pm
Jack5

Now, they’re organising “straight parades,” promoting heterosexuality, in reaction to “gay parades”.

The “grand marshal” of the first “straight parade” in Boston is to be
the controversial – and gay – former editor of Breitbart News, Milo Yiannopoulos.

Fox reports:

John Hugo, president of Super Happy Fun America, which argues that“straight people are an oppressed majority,”initially used the likeness of Brad Pitt to promote the parade before the award-winning actor made it clear he wanted no part of that.

“I really like his movies and his lawyers sent us a letter asking us to take his stuff down but, you know, you’re allowed to do satire,” Hugo told the Boston Herald.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/milo-yiannopoulos-named-grand-marshal-of-bostons-straight-pride-parade
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June 9, 2019 11:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Your children/gdchildren thinking of Law as a career?

Might pay to prepare them for the real world…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113326177/lawyers-are-working-for-less-than-minimum-wage-new-union-claims
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June 9, 2019 11:55am
Swifty

And the Greens want us to take another 4000 annually…..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112977010/former-palestinian-refugee-says-hes-been-forced-to-live-in-a-van-since-arriving-in-new-zealand

https://www.greens.org.nz/news/press-release/green-party-welcome-5000-refugees-new-zealand

Yet again, the Greens making promises they cannot keep.
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June 9, 2019 2:01pm
- Johnboy
  
  I’m almost certain Phil Twyford would have the expertise to get more vans built. 🙂
  
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  June 9, 2019 3:50pm
  - Swifty
    
    Heh
    
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    June 9, 2019 4:38pm
- artemisia
  
  The man in the first link (former Palestinian refugee), according to the link, has made several decisions that he seems to now regret. Like leaving his $53 pw rental to live in his van.
  
  It would not be uncommon for refugees to have trouble settling in, and perhaps wider issues as well, not helped by being / feeling isolated. Not just refugees of course, plenty of NZ born in the same situation, but I did think refugees could access services fairly readily and inexpensively.
  
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  June 9, 2019 5:11pm
Jack5

In Christchurch, the city’s public library network, besides books, has for use sewing machines and overlockers. You can also play with giant jigsaws, and fiddle with an electronic wall board.

Presumably much the same is happening in public libraries throughout the country.

A Telegraph article (outside the paywall) says that American libraries, which have stuck to providing books, are used far more than British libraries. A book industry veteran is reported as saying Britain’s schools are obsessed with with being “rigged out” with the latest technology and trendy activities.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/08/struggling-libraries-trying-do-much-offering-yoga-classes-ipads/
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June 9, 2019 2:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops, Edit: … “Britain’s libraries are obsessed with with being “rigged out” with the latest technology and trendy activities.
  
  Sorry!
  
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  June 9, 2019 4:44pm
- stephieboy
  
  These 120,000 American Libraries have not only stuck to providing books,
  
  https://www.fastcompany.com/90273681/120000-american-libraries-just-got-even-cooler-thanks-to-grow-with-google
  
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  June 9, 2019 6:13pm
Fletch

New research from Johns Hopkins University – people are not born gay or transgender or any other sexual orientation.

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/docLib/20160819_TNA50SexualityandGender.pdf
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June 9, 2019 3:38pm
- Johnboy
  
  Not sure about that Fletch. I’ve met some during my life’s journey mate. 🙂
  
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  June 9, 2019 4:13pm
  - Johnboy
    
    The words “queer” and a five letter word starting with “c” and ending with “s” seem to have been excised from my 4:13…. 🙂
    Nothing like mosque murders to develop the English language I say! 🙂
    
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    June 9, 2019 4:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Doesn’t mean they jumped the wall while in the crib.
    
    In my line of work I have seen some really fucked up parents going out of their way to create fucked up kids with varying degrees of success.
    
    I have always believed in the “nurture” not ” nature” argument and often parents, like this stupid coalition, make choices that have unfavourable and unintended consequences.
    
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    June 9, 2019 5:05pm
- Tall Man
  
  No cutie rainbow flag for you now…….
  
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  June 9, 2019 4:21pm
krazykiwi

Great chart showing death rate from natural disasters by decade.
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June 9, 2019 4:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gosh, how can that be?
  I thought climate apocalypses had been increasing yearly.
  
  Don’t tell me Roger Pielke was correct after all.
  https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/ross-mckitrick-this-scientist-proved-climate-change-isnt-causing-extreme-weather-so-politicians-attacked
  
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  June 9, 2019 5:53pm
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, correct aft all?
    
    I dont think so,
    
    Roger Pielke Jr.
    
    Credentials
    
    Ph. D., Political Science, University of Colorado (1994). [1]
    M.A., Public Policy, University of Colorado (1992). [1]
    B.A., Mathematics, University of Colorado (1990). [1]
    
    Background
    
    Roger Pielke Jr., is a climate science policy writer working at the University Colorado in Boulder. Pielke Jr.’s academic degrees are in mathematics, public policy, and political science.
    According to his bibliographic notes, he started studying extreme weather and climate in 1991 at the at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, CO. He discusses his views on climate policy in the book The Climate Fix (Basic Books, 2011). [6]
    While Pielke Jr. argues that he is not a climate change skeptic, and accepts that man-made climate change is a real problem, he has consistently opposed the idea that extreme weather events and climate change are connected. Pielke’s father, Roger A. Pielke Sr., is also an outspoken critic of the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Pielke Jr. has described research showing the link between extreme weather and climate change as “zombie science.” [4], [5]
    Grist writer David Roberts wrote that Pielke Jr. has “been playing footsie with denialists and right-wing ideologues for years; they’re his biggest fans,” and critics have noted that Pielke Jr.’s work has often been cited by climate change deniers. [2], [3]
    
    https://www.desmogblog.com/roger-pielke-jr
    
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    June 9, 2019 6:07pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Feel free to show us where Roger Pielke made an error .
      
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      June 9, 2019 6:30pm
      - Swifty
        
        He can’t and he won’t. He is incapable.
        
        All he is capable of is copy and pasting the thoughts of others.
        
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        June 9, 2019 6:46pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s almost impossible to change the mind of someone who thinks people like Roger Pielke, Roy Spencer, Joanne Nova, Richard Lindzen, Anthony Watts, etc have any actual contribution to make to the scientific understanding of climate change.
        It’s fairly well established now that for most people who think these frauds have any credibility, exposure to factual information will actually have the perverse effect of reinforcing their erroneous opinions.
        Trying to persuade these folks to change their minds is a waste of time: normal, rational people just need to get on with the actions needed.
        
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        June 9, 2019 6:47pm
      - Tall Man
        
        mikey, you don’t really think you are normal and rational do you?
        
        Others will disagree……
        
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        June 9, 2019 7:28pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You quoting David Roberts from Grist and now Vox?
        Heck, even Michael Mann says he’s an alarmist nutter.
        But do carry on.
        Oh look, Science
        ‘NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center is predicting that a near-normal Atlantic hurricane season is most likely this year. For 2019, NOAA predicts a likely range of 9 to 15 named storms (winds of 39 mph or higher), of which 4 to 8 could become hurricanes (winds of 74 mph or higher), including 2 to 4 major hurricanes (category 3, 4 or 5; with winds of 111 mph or higher). NOAA provides these ranges with a 70% confidence.’
        
        The trend of no increase in the frequency of extreme weather events continues.
        Hey, maybe you guys are the Science Deniers.
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8JOpPNra4bw
        
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        June 9, 2019 8:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , I suggest you just stick to Lord Monckton in future for you quotes and links!
        
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        June 9, 2019 10:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Stephieboy is Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator’
        
        And a Science Denier
        
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        June 9, 2019 10:17pm
    - BrownSnake
      
      Go an plant some trees
      
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      June 9, 2019 11:34pm
Happychappy

I wonder why Jacinda allows the Trans port Minister to fund projects that they got the funds to do but as he says to Phil Goff they will find it somewhere.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/113274258/auckland-transport-projects-face-big-funding-gap
Twyford has already screwed housing and if he carrie’s on this way it won’t be long before he starts blaming someone else for his effort in transport.
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June 9, 2019 4:26pm
Johnboy

Oh look. Slum burns down to the ground. May have been the old packing cases/pallets it was built from contributed?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113340258/marae-on-fire-in-island-bay-wellington?rm=a
Let’s hope new building regs will never allow it’s type again despite our pathetic genuflecting to indigenous folk! 🙂
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June 9, 2019 4:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It wasn’t a slum…
  
  It was an amazing construction…
  https://www.taputerangamarae.org.nz/1_28_h-tori.html
  
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  June 9, 2019 5:07pm
- Alien
  
  Your post sounds like you’re a bit racist
  
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  June 9, 2019 6:16pm
Swifty

Johnboy, something to assist you and your elderly counterparts it appears:

https://youtu.be/lf_5mTZ5Rus?t=230

Paka pak paka pak paka pak……
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June 9, 2019 4:37pm
Happychappy

Well the Union are not happy about Hawkes Bay Hospital and nurse being upset when finishing their shifts. This will be a bit of a problem for Dr Davd Clark as he can’t blame blame National for his Party giving away money to unnecessary causes when he should be looking after his staff in hospitals.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12238444
Winston gets money to tour the Pacific and shell out millions and our nurses get sfa.
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June 9, 2019 4:38pm
Southern Raider

I see another roading project (sealing a dangerous gravel section of around 10km to Lake Waikarimoana) was about to kick off to great fan fare until local Iwi got involved and blocked it

They either want
– money or
– keep the area in the dark ages or
– both
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June 9, 2019 5:25pm
Wired-one

A couple of polls are due to come out tonight if my memory serves me right. There’s no way Labour and its support partners should get a boost in the polls, but somehow I think they will. Look for Collins to be ahead of Bridges in the preferred PM ratings and for Nationals numbers to start with a 3. Anyone with at least half a brain knows if an election was held tomorrow those numbers would be bullshit, but like Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe, our MSM are after Bridges blood and a bit of spicy news for the next month or two, so facts in reality dont matter.
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June 9, 2019 5:26pm
- Wired-one
  
  Oh what a surprise, and a load of bullshit.
  
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  June 9, 2019 6:01pm
- greybeard
  
  Tova O’Brien doing a Simon Bridges hit-job on TV3.
  Predictable.
  The whole program seems to be aimed at him.
  How on earth does Labour get over 50% ?
  I call ‘Crap’.
  
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  June 9, 2019 6:05pm
Happychappy

How can TV 3 have the opposite of TV One in tonight’s poll and it shows the hate of Simon Bridges by Tova O’Brien .Over 7% difference between the two polls for National
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June 9, 2019 6:09pm
Cobolt24

Colmar Brunton poll: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/national-back-in-front-while-labour-takes-dive-latest-1-news-colmar-brunton-poll
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The Reid Research poll says something rather different:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/poll-national-nosedives-into-dreaded-30s-could-trigger-leadership-coup.html

(6:10)
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June 9, 2019 6:10pm
- Swifty
  
  What is your analysis Hugh?
  
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  June 9, 2019 6:35pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Trouble maker 😉
    
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    June 9, 2019 7:31pm
  - Cobolt24
    
    See Hugh’s comment: A tale of two polls
    .
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/a_tale_of_two_polls.html#comment-2505738
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