General Debate 3 June 2019

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Rob2

Bloody cool this morning.
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June 3, 2019 8:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The sun is happily to be seen in Christchurch after a few days leave. I’ll be able to turn the lights off at last.
  
  For those of you caught by Seasonal Affective Disorder the warm led house lights give a sufficient red output to be most usefu. For several seasons, since using them, I have escaped that nuisance of going dormant during autumn/winter.
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    You may want to pass that tip on to “what’s in it for wynston” although it may be too late as he has been dormant for quite a while this time.
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:10am
  - Alien
    
    do led lights in the house pose the same risk as those used for street lighting.
    
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    June 3, 2019 1:31pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      No. Simply swap the existing bulbs for leds with the same socket connections. The 9-10 watt bulbs for downlight replacements work well. Very cheap to run.
      
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      June 3, 2019 2:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        They just don’t seem bright enough.
        
        I’ve replaced 4 100w downlights for 4 9 watt leds and it just seem a little duller than before.
        
        May have to add a couple or go for 12-15 watts.
        
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        June 3, 2019 5:07pm
      - Alien
        
        Ok thanks, always wondered if they had the cancer risks the street lights were meant to have.
        
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        June 3, 2019 6:20pm
Happychappy

So Grant Robertson needs to borrow to keep the promises alive after the next election, are they putting the funds away so they have enough money for the bribes in 2020.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12236728
The debt is rising at a steady rate now and that doesn’t cover what Housing NZ has borrowed to build State Housing.
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June 3, 2019 8:08am
- Alien
  
  Once you put pay settlements in it will be more than the articles thinks
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Wot State Housing? 3 a year ala Twyford?
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:05am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    State houses are mushrooming up all over the country.
    This work was started during the term of the National government but you can be assured Twyford will be looking for the kudos. Many HNZ units were originally build on the kiwi quarter acre which are now infilled with another house on the back.
    The old two story units that needed major refurbishment have been demolished to make way for new high density housing.
    You may not have noticed them because your town won’t have had a new suburb pop up, but they’re there sprinkled in among existing homes.
    
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    June 3, 2019 10:39am
    - sooty
      
      Would be ok if they did something about the ferals paying for the damage they did.
      Or should we build concrete block and steel doors, for them?
      
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      June 3, 2019 12:01pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Prisons?
        
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        June 3, 2019 4:56pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      When I fly over Glen Innes, I can really see the hectare-sized lots laid bare, waiting for utilities and development.
      Once the schools become multi-cultural in that part of Auckland, gentrification will follow.
      
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      June 3, 2019 12:33pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The Government’s total borrowings are expected to increase from $112 billion in 2019 to $131 billion in 2023
  
  Note that that is the true government borrowings, including stuff hidden ‘off the books’ in SOEs and amounts to currently 37% of GDP, to go up to about 40% of GDP in 2023 (assuming 2% inflation +2% GDP growth per year) fiscally responsible my arse.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:47am
- Tricati
  
  They remove the subsidies for cochlear implants for needy kids and give millions to ‘gender re-assignment’ surgery – bloody unbelievable.
  To take away the opportunity for kids to enhance their learning is not the behaviour of a ‘caring government’; but like urgency to increase the fuel levy, it will not be challenged by our MSM.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:51am
- Tall Man
  
  Who was the idiot that “posted” yesterday about labour’s budget surplus.
  
  It was one of those pathetic interns trying to link hacking to searching.
  
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  June 3, 2019 11:13am
Yvette

If last week’s Budget is a new “wellbeing” initiative, what was the Labour Coalition Budget last year?
What in last year’s Budget was not there for the “wellbeing” of New Zealanders?
Don’t confuse any of it with delivery since – just name one item that wasn’t to progress the economy and so benefit the nation, or change people’s circumstances for the better.

Last year’s Budget announced over $5.3 billion to lift children out of poverty.
Wasn’t that “wellbeing”, and isn’t this year’s Budget just a continuing allocation of that total announced a year ago?
And have 384,000 families yet received the equivalent of $75 a week announced last year, or is that still to fully kick in this year or next?

Branson said on Twitter: “New Zealand has announced a ‘wellbeing’ budget, promising to provide billions to care for the country’s most vulnerable people.
“A brilliant blueprint for the rest of the world.”
Mental health was the big winner in the 2019 Budget, with the Government allocating $1.5 billion for mental health and addictions services over four years.

Obviously mental health was well due attention: catering for 325,000 people with “mild to moderate” mental health and addiction needs by 2023-24.
It’s a “wellbeing” initiative? No, it’s an “about fucking time something was done!” issue, especially if you are one of the 325,000 and you turn is not going to be until sometime later in 2024.

“You shouldn’t blindly accept a leaders advice. You’ve got to question leaders on occasion.”– Richard Branson, before he was blinded by Ardern’s really very ordinary pedestrian Budget
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June 3, 2019 8:16am
- Simon
  
  It’s being called the next big move by a New Zealand government seen by progressives around the world as a beacon in increasingly populist times: a national budget whose spending is dictated by what best encourages the “well-being” of citizens.
  
  That means that as the center-left government of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern sets its priorities in the budget that will be unveiled on May 30, it is moving away from more traditional bottom-line measures like productivity and economic growth and instead focusing on goals like community and cultural connection and equity in well-being across generations.
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/world/asia/new-zealand-wellbeing-budget.html
  
  The economy is out the door in the same week that they cant pay school teachers enough.
  
  Why cant they pay school teachers enough? Because the government gets revenue through taxation of a poorly / under performing economy.
  
  Crappy economy = lower government revenue. But that doesn’t matter anymore because the teachers can have the wellbeing hugz.
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:19am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “a national budget whose spending is dictated by what best encourages the “well-being” of citizens.”
    
    Is it the job of the State to encourage the “well-being” of citizens by constantly throwing money at them? Can people not look after themselves?
    
    A safety net is one thing; but a hammock is another. By all means the State should have safety nets in place — but not hammocks.
    
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    June 3, 2019 9:48am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I don’t trust their numbers. I suspect smoke, mirrors and double counting or mirages being included. I’m only an accountant and I find it hard to reconcile their words with the payments my family gets. Where’s the power payments? I have the costs.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:09am
- JibberJabber
  
  LoL Branson, lives on a private Island in a Tax Haven, the fucking hypocrisy of the Champagne Socialists is breathtaking.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:17am
  - Jules99
    
    BBF of Obama (Barack that is).
    
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    June 3, 2019 10:59am
- Tall Man
  
  Branson, number one tax avoider from the UK, is obviously hoping our corrupt coalition under the worst two party leaders we have ever seen will give him a “deal” for his airline in NZ.
  
  Now that he and Qantas are bickering he’ll be looking for another patsy.
  
  I have ignored shaw because although he has title he is anything but a leader being run around like a schoolboy by his non male vitriolic mps. Perhaps he needs a male role model…….
  
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  June 3, 2019 11:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    I see my comment that there may be a Caribbean holiday in the offing for………..
    
    was deleted.
    
    Do you seriously believe that such a holiday will not take place mod?
    
    I suppose you’ll also have to wait for it to be on the telly, or in the women’s mags….
    
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    June 3, 2019 1:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Thanks mod. Was it the rephrasing that worked?
      
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      June 3, 2019 5:13pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Shorty
        
        OK I retract “slag off” – I meant “whinge at” – your beef is with DPF.
        
        “go fuck yourself, if you are capable”. You are no doubt more capable than I. Although with 40-odd posts per day I don’t know where you would find the time …
        
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        June 3, 2019 6:44pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Why slag off the moderators? Your beef is with DPF who put them there and defined their job. I imagine that if DPF was unhappy with what a particular moderator does he would probably fire him/her …
      
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      June 3, 2019 5:28pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m with you there, Ian. The moderators are doing a great job.
        
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        June 3, 2019 5:30pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Please show the “slag off”….
        
        Like mikey… you think lying about a comment is clever but at no stage have I “slagged” off a mod and I am quite sure they are more than capable of defending themselves if I did.
        
        I rephrased my original comment by removing my reference to the “first baby” and I acknowledged the mod for that.
        
        So….
        
        go fuck yourself, if you are capable.
        
        Now that’s slagging someone off you if you have the mental capacity to work that out.
        
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        June 3, 2019 6:32pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA & RUSSIA …

Beijing warns US farmers may lose China market for good, but plays down tariffs impact at home … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3012779/beijing-warns-us-farmers-may-lose-china-market-good-plays

• Top agriculture official says Chinese farmers can export products to non-US markets to weather impact of trade war

• Country will also be able to source enough soybeans to meet domestic demand, according to Han Jun
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… Wall Street Journal report from September last year …

Struggling U.S. Farmers Worry About a Resurgent Russia – WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grain-is-our-oil-russia-is-besting-the-u-s-as-a-wheat-powerhouse-1537719747

Russian wheat exports are booming despite a crushing price slump, as the country’s farmers finally emerge from decades of neglect

OTRADNAYA, Russia—Vladimir Mishurov transformed the remnants of the “Lenin’s Path” collective farm in this village into a profitable business. He also helped make Russia the world’s largest wheat exporter for the first time since the last years of the czars.

Over the past decade or so, Mr. Mishurov replaced his aging Russian equipment with a dozen high-tech machines from John Deere and other makers, and started using powerful new fertilizers and seeds. He bought and rented more acres from neighbors and family, eventually reaching about 3,600, taking advantage of Russia’s overall low prices for land. … read more via hyperlink above
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June 3, 2019 8:19am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Recent China related KB posts …
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/05/chinas_trump_card_vs_trump.html/comment-page-1#comment-2500931 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/05/general_debate_29_may_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2498884
  
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  June 3, 2019 12:01pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/links-3-june-2019/#comment-3361681
    
    China fears commodity squeeze as US conflict takes a more dangerous turn … Ambrose Evans – Pritchard … UK Telegraph (behind paywall)
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/06/02/china-fears-commodity-squeeze-us-conflict-takes-dangerous-turn/
    
    China’s leaders are tormented by the “Malacca Dilemma”. Their country is the world’s largest importer of oil and natural gas. It is acutely vulnerable to an energy squeeze on seaborne supplies.
    
    Over 82pc of China’s total crude shipments and much of its liquefied natural gas pass through the Malacca Strait between Sumatra and the Malay Peninsular, and alternative passages further East. The US navy has unchallenged supremacy over this maritime choke-point, though not necessarily for long.
    
    Energy security has long been a nagging worry among China’s defence strategists. … read more via hyperlink above (behind paywall) …
    
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    June 3, 2019 5:45pm
    - Tall Man
      
      wolf wolf wolf…….
      
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      June 3, 2019 6:42pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Chinese warships arrive in Sydney as Beijing warns of South China Sea resolve – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-03/chinese-warships-enter-sydney-harbour-south-china-sea-claims/11172578
        
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        June 3, 2019 8:06pm
NewInoffensiveName

Has anyone seen the math on the effect the rise in petrol tax will have on those who received an increase in their ‘benefit’?
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June 3, 2019 8:24am
- peterwn
  
  But ‘what about the workers’ – they, unlike beneficiaries, are not receiving a pay rise to cover the petrol tax. But the ‘workers’ vote does not count – some are tribal Labour so Jacinda and Grant have them in the bag, and the others can be regarded as insignificant.
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:03am
  - NewInoffensiveName
    
    The worker’s vote is taken for granted. The beneficiary’s vote must be paid for.
    
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    June 3, 2019 9:53am
    - backster
      
      Or Winston can con them yet again with his bullshit.
      
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      June 3, 2019 10:36am
  - jonno1
    
    “What about the workers indeed, sir?” With apologies to Peter Sellers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxBtGuu9BVE
    
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    June 3, 2019 12:21pm
- Simon
  
  The maths! Comrade its about the Wellbeing feelz.
  
  Anyway the “poor” can order Uber Eats on their iphones.
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:13am
- Tall Man
  
  There is none.
  
  The coalition have no idea what “flow on” impact is and to be honest, they really don’t care.
  
  richard branson likes it so who cares what NZ thinks.
  
  Methinks there’ll be a holiday in the Caribbean soon for our “first baby” and ardern … …. .
  
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  June 3, 2019 11:22am
- Tall Man
  
  As a spokethingy for the coaltion I can tell you that we don’t care what you want or what you think….
  
  Would you like a selfie?
  
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  June 3, 2019 6:46pm
gravedodger

A suspected fleeing driver crashes and dies during Holiday weekend and debate ensues whether that is a “Holiday road death”.
Eat your porridge Genter, zero is impossible.

There are a myriad of ways for manipulating the growing road death figures, however we are not stupid.
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June 3, 2019 8:25am
- Simon
  
  “Eat your porridge Genter, zero is impossible.”
  
  Lower road toll and pushing cannabis are contradictory positions. Greens have chosen the cannabis / death position.
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:09am
  - David Garrett
    
    Simon: You raise an excellent point…after cannabis is decriminalized – and I think that’s pretty much inevitable – I wonder what the Melons will say if there is a spike in road deaths where the drivers were stoned…they are probably working on their spin right now…
    
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    June 3, 2019 9:23am
    - Jack5
      
      There will also likely be an increase in marijuana-induced incidence of schizophrenia among those genetically prone to the disorder.
      
      Young marijuana users with this susceptibility will be especially endangered.
      
      If there are mental problems in the family, leave marijuana alone.
      
      https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/314896.php
      
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      June 3, 2019 9:48am
      - David Garrett
        
        Jack 5: Yes indeed…prior to my initial breakdown more than 40 years ago I had been smoking dope all day every day for months…Back then, the guy who became my long term shrink didn’t think dope had played any significant part…ten or twelve years later, he changed his mind, and as time went on, he became more and more certain of his change of heart…sadly that was too late for me to benefit.
        
        Now, the link between mental illness and dak, especially in the young, is pretty well accepted by everyone in the field. I have told my kids this, and warned them off it…Will they listen? Who knows…I sure hope so.
        
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        June 3, 2019 10:49am
      - Ross12
        
        40 years ago. I would assume the weed was fairly low in THC compared to today DG. ( or at least in comparison to what it could be if legalised with the ability to import the seeds of the stuff the USA is producing now).
        
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        June 3, 2019 11:27am
      - MCos
        
        You’re assuming that some sort of legalisation of marijuana with lead to increased usage.
        From what I understand the stuff is freely available now to anyone who wants it.
        
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        June 3, 2019 12:43pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Ross 12: Ah, No…the shit we smoked in the US in 1978 was perhaps five times as potent as the stuff we smoked here at that time…I am told – but have no way of knowing – that what is available in NZ now is TEN times as strong as what it was in 1978…I dunno…I haven’t smoked it since maybe 1981…somewhere around there…when I finally “got” that it was not a good drug for me.
        
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        June 3, 2019 12:47pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        I drove Overlands London Kathmandu in the seventies, I will always remember one of the punters cooked up a bunch of hash cookies at the Withies in Kathmandu and served them up. People that had never encountered hash, did for first time. One of them freely walked into a very hot fire, I guess thinking they were invincible or not thinking at all. Was badly burnt on bare feet.
        if anyone thinks it doesn’t affect different individuals in different ways, they must be on drugs.
        
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        June 3, 2019 1:25pm
    - kowtow
      
      It’s probably one of the few times the Comrades will blame ‘personal responsibility’ , ie driving stoned . The rest of the time the blame is all whitey’s……
      
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      June 3, 2019 10:22am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Simon
    Nice rhetoric. What are the stats on the number of road deaths attributable solely to cannabis impairment (impairment, not merely presence of THC in the blood; and additionally, not including the presence of excess alcohol) to back it up? Or is your claim pulled out of your a**?
    
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    June 3, 2019 10:24am
    - Tall Man
      
      Are you claiming that there is no risk while driving under the influence of cannabis?
      
      No need to pile on the bullshit I’m just looking to see how stupid you really are.
      
      Yes/No will do.
      
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      June 3, 2019 11:26am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Tall Man
        “Are you claiming that there is no risk while driving under the influence of cannabis?
        
        No need to pile on the bullshit I’m just looking to see how stupid you really are.
        
        Yes/No will do.”
        
        Wow. A straw man and an ad hominem? Smells suspiciously like you don’t have an argument. Have another read, lofty.
        
        My advice, if you want to appear lucid and cogent in a debate, is that you mustn’t fall back on personal attacks. I mean, I could easily ask you if low intelligence is concomitant with the extent of one’s height – but I don’t.
        
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        June 3, 2019 1:43pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “I could easily ask you if low intelligence is concomitant with the extent of one’s height – but I don’t.”
        
        Ask away but just make sure you’re not too stoned to remember the answer.
        
        I’m glad you asked because you may be onto something here. The taller I got over the years the smarter I got.
        
        My only fear is that as old age sets in and I shrink I may start to loose those smarts but at least I won’t destroy them with illegal or legal drugs…….
        
        What was your answer… yes/no? Did you forget that bit?
        
        They say cannabis use does impact memory first.
        
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        June 3, 2019 5:11pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Tall Man
        Why so aggro? Honestly, abuse is not an argument.
        “What was your answer… yes/no? Did you forget that bit? They say cannabis use does impact memory first.”
        
        As I said, read it again. ‘Subtext’ is a thing. The answer lies therein.
        
        Well, the rest of my comment shot right over your head too, evidently. If I must spell out my suggestion:
        ‘”The taller you are, the thicker you are” QED
        
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        June 3, 2019 6:48pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Hmmmm
        
        “concomitant
        /kənˈkɒmɪt(ə)nt/
        Learn to pronounce
        FORMAL
        adjective
        1.
        naturally accompanying or associated.
        
        Yep, the dope has you……………….
        
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        June 3, 2019 9:15pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Ghandi: so let’s be clear here…Do you think someone who has just had a joint is not a hazard on the road? (Yes, I do understand the distinction between impaired by cannabis vs. cannabinoids in the blood)
      
      During my drug fueled drive across the US 100 years ago I would often have a smoke before I had to navigate a series of interstate exits and on ramps…I would frequently “lose” 30 -60 minutes of time…when I looked on the map – no GPS in 1978 – I would see that I had navigated four or five changes, but have no memory of having done so…Do you think I wasn’t a hazard during that “lost” time?
      
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      June 3, 2019 11:36am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        David Garrett
        Two points:
        1. Your Hunter S. Thompsonesque anecdote elevates you in my estimation.
        
        2. I don’t claim that there is NO impairment when driving under the influence of cannabis, merely that its role in accidents is often conflated with and presented as being commensurate to that of alcohol. They are not equivalent. From my experience, I speculate that driving while sleep deprived or with low blood sugar is far more likely to end badly, compared with cannabis consumption.
        
        I have some empirical experience of driving under the influence of both alcohol and cannabis, and I’m damn sure that I would rather have stoned drivers on the road than drunk drivers. NEITHER is ideal, but false equivalencies should be avoided.
        
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        June 3, 2019 11:57am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Whaddaya mean? Lefties (esp. Green ones) don’t drive! They catch public transport – it’s a fantastic way of meaningfully demonstrating their wokeness…
    
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    June 3, 2019 12:25pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And post selfies…. minute by annoying minute.
      
      Of course they aren’t using a cellphone that has been manufactured using any plastic or rare metals and without any animals being harmed in the process.
      
      Shame about the leather shoes though………..
      
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      June 3, 2019 1:13pm
- dubya
  
  ‘Eat your porridge’?!?!?!
  
  Coeliacphobic hate speech if ever I heard it.
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:40am
John Warren

Mods all asleep this morning? 8.28am and still no comments in GD. I find it hard to believe all the regular KBers are snoozing.
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June 3, 2019 8:28am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Welcome bros. Get ready to pay extra petrol tax from July 1st.
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June 3, 2019 8:34am
mark15

I just learned about
Jesus Strikes Back-judgement day
Looks like a perfect antidote to the saturation of modern day groupthink.
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June 3, 2019 8:36am
BrownSnake

Kia Ora Sheep Lovers

The Captain Cooked me some eggs this morning

They were quite good
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June 3, 2019 8:41am
- sooty
  
  Moa eggs were they?
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:00am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Tell someone who cares 😀
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:21am
- Tall Man
  
  Having recently returned from the land of the “silent majority”…. don’t you mean eeeagges!
  
  To make the correct Aussie accent, stick a finger up each nostril and you’re good to go……….
  
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  June 3, 2019 11:30am
marcw

Just to preempt the NIWAs of the world – the average temperatures for May at Christchurch Airport over the last 10 years:
2010 9°C
2011 11
2012 9
2013 9
2014 9
2015 10
2016 12
2017 8
2018 10
2019 10

Average over 10 years: 9.7°C

And don’t believe their claim “it was dry” – May did only have 2/3 of average, but this month was buttressed by April (around 25% above average) and in the first 2 days of June, 50% above average for the whole month, so far.

Climatastrophy emergency bs.
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June 3, 2019 8:49am
- srylands
  
  I think you will find that referring to anthropogenic climate change as bullshit will soon be seen as hate speech.
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:37am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m sure it already is because I really hate people that tell me about it 😉
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:28am
- Pete George
  
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  That’s meaningless in the whole scheme of things.
  
  The Otago University weather station has a record high average May temperature. Which means just as little on it’s own.
  
  http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/eman/weather_station/current.php
  
  NIWA says New Zealand is on track to record it’s fourth warmest autumn ever with some parts of the country logging record-breaking temperatures.
  
  NIWA says five locations across the country are on track to reach their warmest autumn yet, with Gore and Taupo set to log their second warmest.
  
  “It’s been a warm past three months for much of the country, we’re on track for a top-four finish for the warmest autumn’s going back to 1909,” NIWA principal scientist Chris Brandolino told Newshub.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/05/new-zealand-to-record-one-of-the-warmest-ever-autumns-niwa.html
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:47am
  - Jack5
    
    Is NIWA a neutral observer in the global warming debate? Is it reliable?
    
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    June 3, 2019 9:53am
    - MickMac
      
      NO NIWA is not Neutral and is not reliable with regard to Climate change.
      
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      June 3, 2019 3:45pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    If you believe NIWA you have to question why they followed the suggestion in the leaked Hadcrut emails to falsify the records because the global warming had disappeared. Science turned dishonest ceases to be science.
    
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    June 3, 2019 10:15am
  - Happychappy
    
    Pete records are made to be broken, I lived in Clutha in the late 70’s and early 80’s and one year we had snow at xmas and a year or two later we had a record heat for the summer. I am not doubting your argument but everyone to what they believe.
    
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    June 3, 2019 10:17am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Meanwhile the US has had five years of very cold Oct-May
    These Global Data sets show Global Cooling- apart from GISS- who funnily enough have done a lot of manual adjustments…
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7-j2IiXUAAejXd?format=jpg&name=medium
    But yes, we have had a warm Autumn
    
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    June 3, 2019 10:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Otago Uni met station only seems to have data back to 2001.
    
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    June 3, 2019 10:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, underfunded?
      
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      June 3, 2019 10:55am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stalker
        
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        June 3, 2019 12:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Talking about “meaningless” got me thinking of your posts……….
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:32am
- backster
  
  Din’t worry mate Hawk Bay has a climate emergency too and has already imposed a levy to deal with it. Christchurch will soon have their levies too.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:41am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hawke Bay would be better served upgrading the Waste Treatment plants at Waipawa and Waipukurau to stop discharge into the Tuki Tuki river and Napier Council sorting out the discharges going into the Ahuriri Estuary.
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:19am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Hawke’s Bay could do with addressing their drinking water problem.
    I’m sick of mine looking like ginger ale on a good day and black tea on occasions, and always smelling like swimming pool water.
    
    The addition of chlorine to our water supply has caused people thousands in plumbing problems.
    
    Having spent a small fortune already in bottled water for drinking, the ultimate insult is the Council getting snotty about how I put out my plastic bottles for recycling in a manner convenient for them, when if they did their job properly I wouldn’t have to buy plastic bottles in the first place.
    Wankers all of them.
    
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    June 3, 2019 6:32pm
mikenmildagain

Good football match. Heading to penalties?
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June 3, 2019 8:50am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Gutted for the U20’s. That decision to allow Colombia to retake the third penalty after Woud made his third save in succession took all the air out of the Kiwis.
  
  They still could have won had Stensness not blasted over the bar, but the refereeing decision altered the course of the shootout.
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    Seemed a little “wrong” to me/
    
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    June 3, 2019 9:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hi Kiwibloggers
  Are you enjoying the karma ticking this morning.
  Tony Stuart must be very happy being so in sync with the hive mind. Aren’t his comments simply wonderful?
  
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  June 3, 2019 11:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    Were you born an arsehole or is it something you have to work on?
    
    Asking for a friend……
    
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    June 3, 2019 9:20pm
lastmanstanding

I hope the guy Mallard defamed gets a good lawyer and gets Mallard into Court and tears a strip off him as does the Judge who them awards the guy a big payout costs and reinstatement.

This will bring the matter out into the open and make it more than a beltway issue.

It will expose Mallard and the Left for what they are.

An evil empire of ferals and vermin.
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June 3, 2019 9:05am
- Yvette
  
  Lastmanstanding, reportedly the person concerned was earlier cleared of wrong-doing so if now stood-down over the same issue, one trusts there will be some very serious “double-jeopardy” complications that may involve Mallard unfavourably.
  
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  June 3, 2019 11:08am
  - MickMac
    
    If Mallard were sacked for bringing Parliament into disrepute, that would make my day…
    
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    June 3, 2019 3:47pm
- Tall Man
  
  “An evil empire of ferals and vermin.”
  
  Excellent description. Covers the coalition and their supporters.
  
  After watching 3 days of demented posts ranting “hacking” “hacking” “hacking”……… I can clearly see that you need either dope or a mental disorder to support them.
  
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  June 3, 2019 11:36am
- david
  
  Would you really expect a HC Judge to jeopardise his chances of promotion to the SC or retirement options running lucrative Commissions of Inquiry by coming down hard on the Speaker of the House?
  
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  June 3, 2019 1:39pm
Komata

BS@0841

So you have a ‘Captain’ cooker then?

Hopefully you didn’t make a ‘pig’ of yourself?

(Asking for a friend).

(0905)
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June 3, 2019 9:05am
sooty

Southland times are not feeling the love for teachers in stuffed this morning!
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June 3, 2019 9:06am
- Herodotus
  
  Remember the last time teachers received a pay rise was in 2017 ( as per the June 16- June 18 collective agreement). So when our minister of Ed tells you that the teachers are being offered 9.3% over 3 years , it does not take into account the nil rise the year before . So if you were honest minister it is 9.3% from 2018-2022 = 4 years. Great way to save money for a govt. delay pay talks and you save a years increase, not sure how that works in a growing healthy economy
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:01am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    So roughly same as inflation? Bit of a problem when you don’t make sufficient allowance for wage growth in your budget eh Grant ‘fiscal hole’ Robertson?
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    “not sure how that works in a growing healthy economy”
    
    You’ll find that out after 2020.
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:41am
  - Herodotus
    
    Forgot to add over the 4 year period June 2018-2022. CPI (Inflation is forecast to be 8% over the period). Now 9.3% increase when forecast CPI is 8% is an increase of 0.3% p.a. in real terms.
    https://budget.govt.nz/budget/pdfs/wellbeing-budget/b19-wellbeing-budget.pdf
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:50am
- Prince
  
  But it’s all National’s fault.
  Apparently the GFC wasn’t felt down South.
  
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  June 3, 2019 12:03pm
Yvette

Who folaued up whom –

When Tasmania’s Parliament passed legislation allowing people aged 16 and over to legally change their gender on their birth certificate, Israel Folau felt that represented an affront to God, who created man and woman purposefully, and any change to this design is therefore the work of Satan.
So, despite not having posted on Twitter since November 25, 2018, Folau tweeted the Tasmania headlines and summed up his feelings with an abbreviated artwork of Corinthians 6: 9-10, followed by verses from Galatians, 5:19 – 21 and a comment of his own.
And all hell sort of broke loose.

Apparently Israel Folau had saved his father, Eni, from a heart attack at home – bringing them closer together, with Israel a constant support as Eni battled through kidney disease in recent years, forced to use a dialysis machine at home.
Meanwhile a dispute with a Hillsong church leader led Eni to start his own church in Kenthurst, called Truth Of Jesus Christ Church, and Israel Folau took on a leadership role in that church and began to preach, echoing the strong beliefs of his father.

So when events with Tweets and Rugby Australia reached a crisis point and Israel and Maria mulled over his potential moves after being strongly advised to take down the offending post, Israel phoned his father, who told his son he would be destined for hell if he shunned God’s own words, and that sealed Israel’s stance.

Of considerable note, I think, is that neither the Corinthians or Galatians quotes say “Hell awaits you” but in fact “… those that do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God”
Apparently the one to say “Hell may await you” was father Eni to his son, Israel.

Interesting, perhaps – compared to the hash the Rugby Australia and Rainbow reaction have made of the entire issue, and in particular the eagerly meddlesome bloody media.
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June 3, 2019 9:07am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What is the alternative to the Kingdom of God?
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:18am
  - MCos
    
    Maybe a republic?
    
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    June 3, 2019 10:39am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      A republic of reason?
      
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      June 3, 2019 11:24am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      A labour led republic.
      
      Who do you think would be our first president?
      
      A bit of a heads up; pale stale and not male, with teeth like mine (anything but straight)
      
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      June 3, 2019 11:37am
      - sooty
        
        No we do not want a republic with Helen as its leader!
        
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        June 3, 2019 12:10pm
  - Yvette
    
    KevO’Brien
    Romans 14:17 – For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
    Luke 17:21 – Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
    
    The Kingdom of God would seem to be a state of mind or understanding, so the alternative may just be less than that.
    As “unenlightened”, rather than eternally damned to any lake of fire.
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    Noddyland?
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:42am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Australia
    
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    June 3, 2019 6:34pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    New Zealand under a Labour Government….
    
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    June 3, 2019 7:50pm
    - Tall Man
      
      That’s just obscene….
      
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      June 3, 2019 9:21pm
G152

And all those who opened their yaps accusing the Nats of ‘hacking’ an open web site.
Should be a financial cost with prison for the nonpaying
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June 3, 2019 9:11am
Classic Liberal

This morning on ZB a Councillor was interviewed re the threat of new Freedom Camping bylaw allowing carte-blanche living in vehicles in the streets. He claimed it all comes back to a central govt law change in 2011 in prep for the Rugby World Cup, which means Councils have to specify prohibited areas, based on evidence, and can’t just prohibit all residential streets.

Does anyone know the details of all this? This article is about the threatened bylaw, but a central govt law wasn’t mentioned. The last two paragraphs here imply that Auckland Council *could* place a general prohibition on camping on streets, but chose not to: ” the regulatory committee’s chairwoman, Linda Cooper, said: “The regulatory committee weighed up the advantages and disadvantages of including a general rule recommendation in the public consultation material.

“The committee decided against including the general rule due to concerns about potential impacts on homeless or vulnerable people living in cars. Final recommendations will be made by the hearings panel in April.”

The more obvious solution would be to have properly managed camping sites for these people to stay in while more housing is built, not to just have open slather in our streets!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/110814085/loophole-in-auckland-freedom-camping-bylaw-could-mean-people-parking-up-on-most-roads-and-parks–politician
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June 3, 2019 9:19am
- Ruawai
  
  People need to stop calling it freedom camping as this glamorises it, call it illegal camping. There are already camp grounds in existence that have toilet and shower facilities. It is not the council and ratepayers duty to provide free camping areas for these bludgers. Have a nationwide ban on camping in public reserves and roadside.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    I don’t see the problem with someone pulling up at a beach, or similar, and spending the night as long as they have a proper vehicle.
    
    Stopping off in a residential area is entirely different and wrong.
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:56am
  - Alien
    
    Under your theory most of the camps I went on in my final years of high school were illegal.
    
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    June 3, 2019 12:22pm
- MCos
  
  I noticed a camper van parked outside someone’s house for a few weeks up the road from me. It had some blocks under the wheels to level it up, so it was obviously in use; probably by mates of the people in the house.
  Is that legal?
  Maybe the house was used for AirBRB and the owners were in the camper van.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:45am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Use inner city carparks at night?
  
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  June 3, 2019 11:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    Imagine the corners of those without functioning toilets.
    
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    June 3, 2019 1:09pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      They can put in showers and more toilets, It was a bit tongue in cheek. I would rather that than cars parked on streets.
      
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      June 3, 2019 4:43pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I know but pheewwww….
        
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        June 3, 2019 9:22pm
Happychappy

I posted this last night and have concerns why a Academic has decided to take shots at John Key, so would like to know who put him up to it or whose paying.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12236675
The left are never happy unless they are succeeding in poking their nose in people they dislike business.
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June 3, 2019 9:19am
- Alien
  
  Because John key is an easy target for the left to try cause distraction over the budget being released early and it being one of our worst budgets to date
  
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  June 3, 2019 9:57am
- Jack5
  
  Bryce Edwards is a taxpayer funded blog watcher, but he seems to know bugger all about business.
  
  John Key is being politically targeted in the Reserve Bank v. trading banks row because the bank and the Gummint have limited power against the big Australian banks that provide NZ’s banking system. If the Aussie banks go home, we’re stuffed.
  
  The overall board of the Australia & New Zealand Banking Group Ltd, on which John Key serves, decides whether Key is chairman of its subsidiary, ANZ Bank New Zealand.
  
  There is a snowball’s chance in hell that the bank will get Key to step down from the NZ board.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:04am
  - brett68
    
    The Aussie banks are all owned by the big American banks.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12116873
    
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    June 3, 2019 10:42am
    - Tall Man
      
      I’ll bet that’s Simon Bridges fault eh brett?
      
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      June 3, 2019 11:45am
      - brett68
        
        Yes
        
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        June 3, 2019 3:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Especially as the “error” started in 2014 long before Sir John climbed aboard.
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:44am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Dr Bryce Edwards is a “political scientist” a.k. a. as an opionated, hidden activist. He is the academic version of a street brawler. John Key should be scared.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:24am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    He also used to be an activist for the Alliance, so that gives an indication of where his political sympathies lie.
    
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    June 3, 2019 1:50pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Noddyland?
      
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      June 3, 2019 9:23pm
  - projectman
    
    Where is the science in what he does? Social studies, more appropriately, where there is not the rigour of scientific investigation.
    
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    June 3, 2019 4:18pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The sharpening of the pencil…….
      
      You try it without science………………
      
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      June 3, 2019 9:24pm
    - stephieboy
      
      projectman, but the real potential of critcal thinking and broadening of the mind!
      
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      June 3, 2019 10:13pm
Classic Liberal

OK folks, I have to say this: whaleoil is now a more interesting site.

I had given up on whaleoil for a while because my harmless comments were being removed, but they seem to have stopped doing that. Now they come up with important topics that I care about (freedom of speech for one), and I’m giving it another go.

Here things have become slow due to the rather limited number of articles and the unnecessary moderation. Even anon. posters who have never created a problem should now be allowed back ‘into the fold’.

Come on folks, we desperately need several busy, interesting sites that allow posters to take a different perspective from the MSM and this dreadful government!

Sorry to anyone who feels offended by this post, but surely we all miss the old active site?
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- All_on_Red
  
  Yes, then do have lots of interesting stuff mow.
  Some of the videos are very good.
  Quite prodigious output too.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:24am
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    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    All on Red,
    
    such as this kind of thing ? ,
    
    Slater tried to add Blomfield’s 10-year-old daughter on Snapchat
    
    Well after the armed attack, and a fair way into the protracted legal battle between the pair, Slater, or someone pretending to be Slater, tried to add Blomfield’s 10-year-old daughter on Snapchat.
    Slater, meanwhile, had been attempting a different kind of access into Matt’s realm. Early March 2017 and Rosalie, Matt’s now 10-year-old daughter, taps on the Snapchat icon on her phone. Someone called Cam Slater from whaleoilnz is asking to follow her. She looks at that name. It seems familiar. She takes her phone to Matt. ‘Dad,’ she says, ‘isn’t this the man who said mean things about you?’
    
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/02-06-2019/the-best-of-the-spinoff-this-week-89/
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:17am
    - All_on_Red
      
      No
      None of that there.
      Of course you no doubt have been banned from there.
      
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      June 3, 2019 12:58pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Just reading through your post, I find it difficult to believe that Cameron Slater, whilst in the middle of a legal battle with Blomfield would approach Blomfield daughter USING HIS OWN NAME.
      It’s just not credible.
      So I think ” or someone pretending to be Slater,” is more likely.
      Wasn’t Blomfield up to dirty tricks of his own in Hells Pizza?
      
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      June 3, 2019 1:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You are repeating a possible slander there and your first line is slander….
      
      I’m stunned the mods let that through.
      
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      June 3, 2019 1:28pm
      - projectman
        
        Not slander (which is verbal, as I understand it), but libel (as the written word). Legal opinion please.
        
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        June 3, 2019 4:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        In NZ there is just defamation.
        http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?page_id=273
        
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        June 3, 2019 5:08pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Whaleoil’s problem now will be Slater’s legacy of shitbaggery.
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:34am
    - All_on_Red
      
      I think that’s fair. Some of the accusations are pretty bad.
      Still, without Cameron Slater I think the group running it is keeping the content interesting.
      It’s not all political hits.
      
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      June 3, 2019 1:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Try YSB for some familiar names…
  https://ysb.co.nz/
  
  although this new site could benefit from a wider pool of commenters.
  
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  June 3, 2019 10:25am
  - andrew davies
    
    ysb is definitely an interesting new kid on the block.
    
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    June 3, 2019 10:43am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Asian Invasion with Cactus Kate can be good commentary
      
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      June 3, 2019 11:40am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, urban dictionary defined YSB as you scouse bastards. A term of ” endearment” by Manchester United fans towards their opposition especially Liverpool.
    
    I wonder if Holysheet borrowed from them?
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:06am
    - All_on_Red
      
      “You Stupid Boy”
      
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      June 3, 2019 1:04pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        If anyone should have got that it is Stephie.
        
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        June 3, 2019 4:38pm
      - sooty
        
        I agree, AOR!
        
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        June 3, 2019 5:08pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Whoosh! Straight over the top.
      
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      June 3, 2019 6:36pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Definitly. Any one know who longknives was? Miss his stuff very much and he would get plenty of un moderated exposure there ( https://ysb.co.nz/)
    
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    June 3, 2019 7:54pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  This site just needs a little more organisation of the moderators. I find it a bit frustrating that the moderation is often very slow immediately after a new thread is opened.
  It can’t be a lack of moderators – I have offered, but DPF assured me he had plenty of help.
  
  [Mod: Moderators have a life too. I’ve processed several batches of comments since 8am this morning, but I’ve also been out to brunch with my wife. It is a Public Holiday, after all, and even if DPF was to pay penal rates, 1.5 time zero is still zero!]
  
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  June 3, 2019 11:32am
  - sooty
    
    Don’t you think that your opinion might be a little slanted, given by how many downticks you collect!
    
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    June 3, 2019 12:15pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Plus all the Strikes…
      
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      June 3, 2019 12:56pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I haven’t had a strike since the comments policy started being enforced.
        
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        June 3, 2019 4:58pm
    - stephieboy
      
      sooty, its easy peasy to be downticked by the alt right and unhinged !
      
      [Mod: Are you wanting another holiday?]
      
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      June 3, 2019 1:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        Go on Mod, just give it to him. A long one.
        
        Day after day after day it’s just all snark from him – personal attacks and digs at other posters.
        
        And whatever he does add that isn’t snark or personal digs is just copy and pasted from someone/somewhere else.
        
        I struggle to think of him ever writing an original piece of any note or length.
        
        He’s a total waste of space.
        
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        June 3, 2019 1:33pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Where do you put yourself on the electoral spectrum interesting you see you have the impression all people that downtick you are alt right and unhinged.
        I am right of centre, I am open to reading other peoples opinions, doesn’t mean I agree with them.
        maybe you get downticked, because much of what you write is just downtickable, nothing to do with anyone being unhinged or alt right.
        Verbal insults and illogical statements tend to come to a reasonable thinking individuals notice.
        You are not in a bubble here, you are judged on what you write, nothing more, nothing less.
        Not good throwing a major dummy spit because almost no one ever agrees with you.
        Shame if you get sent off to the naughty persons corner as you can’t control your musings.
        If you are an extreme leftist or have socialist ideals, maybe you will attract downtickeable attention here, just saying.
        
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        June 3, 2019 1:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ stephieboy
        Ah, the alt-right.
        Yesterday you were asked by a commenter on this site whether he was alt-right: you failed to answer.
        
        As far as I am aware, I am the only identifiable individual on KB that has been labelled as alt-right.
        
        (admittedly by you, stephieboy…..I don’t think anyone else would be idiotic enough to label me as such).
        
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        June 3, 2019 2:13pm
      - Alien
        
        I don’t know maggy I’ve read a lot of what you say and I would say yes, you are altogether right, as opposed to Stephanie who is altogether wrong and so often runs when facts are presented, especially if it is shooting down his made up facts
        
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        June 3, 2019 2:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @alien,
        
        it doesn’t matter to me if I am right or wrong on an issue….I’m here to be exposed to a variety of viewpoints…and am always happy to be corrected /learn something new.
        
        What does matter is that my surname Wassilieff is now associated publicly with the alt-right – courtesy of one anonymous poster on Kiwiblog.
        
        We all know alt-right is code for anti-semitic, racist, neo-nazi sympathisers.
        
        That my husband’s family endured the years of Naziism to finally get safety here in NZ and now have this slur associated with their name really, really bugs me.
        
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        June 3, 2019 2:45pm
      - Alien
        
        I agree, people like Stephanie are why I refuse to use my real name anywhere. I’ve have come across the deranged nut jobs before that try to track you down and use what they deem you post against you. Had one leftie nut from the states try to hack me once, sadly for her I was far better than her……
        
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        June 3, 2019 3:19pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Alien
        Yes, that absolutely happens. Indeed, stephieboy was identified, continuously doxxed, and had nasty leaflets left at his church.
        Some would say that he deserved that, both for his stupidity in being careless with his identity and for the foolish things he writes.
        
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        June 3, 2019 5:04pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh, I appreciate the moderators’ efforts – you are doing a great job. I just think the people posting could make sure they have a willing moderator lined up for the (timed) posts. Just a wish, not whinge.
    
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    June 3, 2019 4:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Gosh mikey, you’re not slagging the mods are you… are you?
    
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    June 3, 2019 9:27pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  My two cents for what it’s worth……
  Prior to the introduction of moderation/vetted named posters, I thought some of the comments on the posts on Kiwiblog were, to be honest, getting quite nasty and puerile and was ruining what I think is NZ premier right wing blog. Some of the comments were no better than the majority of those you would find on The Standard. I’m all for robust debate, and a bit of banter thrown in for good measure, but to be honest, things were getting out of hand with petty name calling and the like.
  Unfortunately because of the events in Christchurch David was forced to change things to the way they are now. A lot of you didn’t like this for various reasons. This has slowed the debate considerably for some, but it gives them the opportunity to engage brain before speaking, so we had a lot less name calling, etc.
  However, we are now slowly falling back into the tribalism that taints other lefty blogs, especially when the trolls start with their idiotic comments. Just ignore them………
  
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  June 3, 2019 11:40am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I largely agree – except for your implied assumption that tribalism trolling and abuse only goes one way.
    
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    June 3, 2019 11:44am
  - Pateke
    
    Well said that man. Dialogue about issues not silly personalised diatribes
    I happen to believe our PM has been caught out lying
    I do not need to be reminded of it by KB bloggers
    
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    June 3, 2019 5:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      That is true but, how would you paraphrase her for accuracy and brevity?
      
      ardern the tooth.. ardern the almighty .. or what?
      
      I believe that the shortcomings of a government and it’s members should be rammed home whenever and where ever possible.
      
      That’s just the way I see things.
      
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      June 3, 2019 9:32pm
stephieboy

Trump condemned for ‘unacceptable interference’ after praising Boris Johnson’s bid to be PM

Exclusive: Politicians from all sides unite to condemn ‘narcissistic and egocentric’ US president ahead of three-day state visit to UK

“Senior politicians from all of the main parties have warned Donald Trump against “distasteful interference” in British politics during an already controversial state visit this week, with the Tory leadership race and future Brexit policy hanging in the balance.
Mr Trump was accused by party leaders and MPs past and present of breaking a longstanding convention by praising Boris Johnson, claiming he would make an “excellent” prime minister, ahead of a three-day trip to the UK which begins on Monday.

Speaking to The Independent, Sir Malcolm Rifkind, a Tory former foreign secretary, said the comments by the “narcissistic and egocentric” Mr Trump were “unprecedented for a president of the United States..”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trump-next-conservative-leader-boris-johnson-prime-minister-nigel-farage-a8939871.html

Odd that it wasn’t that long ago when Boris felt very diiferntly about Trump,

https://www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-us-president-uk-visit-july-13-boris-johnson-comments-2015-conservative-mp-new-york-8324946
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- All_on_Red
  
  Trump is right about Johnson.
  And Rifkind is ignorant. He should research Obamas blatant interference in Israels Elections and also the Brexit Referendum.
  
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  June 3, 2019 1:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “He should research Obamas blatant interference in Israels Elections and also the Brexit Referendum.”
    
    ???
    
    Sources please!
    
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    June 3, 2019 6:11pm
    - Alien
      
      Why bother you don’t read anything that shows the truth, you ramble on, drop incorrect information then when people correct you you bugger off, you aren’t worth the time of day, if you want source ps then google, it’s not just there for searching for porn but can help you find information as well.
      
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      June 3, 2019 7:42pm
    - softail 1450
      
      Septicboy,are you that thick you have already forgotten bath house Barry’s famous quote”if the UK votes for a brexit they will go to the back of the queue for trade negotiations” you cretin Septicboy.
      
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      June 4, 2019 8:31am
- Inandout
  
  stephie, watch Hannity just once and you will be astounded by some real genuine information. You won’t catch fire I assure you.
  
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  June 3, 2019 1:46pm
- Ross12
  
  Who was it that said something like “If you do not vote the right way you’ll be at the back of the queue for trade deals ” with regard to the Brexit referendum?
  People have short memories.
  Just for SB it was President Obama.
  
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  June 3, 2019 3:47pm
Maggie Pie

@11:15am
Random question for the group on a beautiful sunny Sunday morning here in Auckland:
‘Why is it that when the Council publishes names of those filthiest restaurants that receive the dreaded ‘E or D’ grade, 90% of them always seem to have Asian sounding names?’

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12235449

[My partner was just wondering if this was the same in other cities up and down the country as well?]
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June 3, 2019 11:15am
- Alien
  
  Cafe da mould doesn’t sound as nice in English.
  
  Had a business next to a Chinese takeaway years ago, loved their food until one day I saw then cutting the vegetables out the back of the shop on the ground outside.
  
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  June 3, 2019 12:46pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, possibly because Asian restaurants vastly out number European ethnic ones .
  
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  June 3, 2019 12:55pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Citation?
    
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    June 3, 2019 1:09pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Ignore her, she’s just chucking up comments that are trite whenever Maggie or Maggy comments.
      
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      June 3, 2019 1:23pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        He seems to have a real issue with women compared to men on this blog. Surprise surprise
        
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        June 3, 2019 3:05pm
  - Swifty
    
    Horseshit.
    
    Again.
    
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    June 3, 2019 1:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’m not sure your right the stephie – whilst i have no idea what suburb you live in, let me just say that here in Remmers, every French, Italian, Thai, and Chinese restaurant have always maintained ‘A+ Grade’ certificates. Anything less would simply not be tolerated by the residents.
    
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    June 3, 2019 1:34pm
- Swifty
  
  Maggie Pie – a good question and one that I can shed a little light on.
  
  I was very close to this issue a few years ago and can say that, as a big generalisation, food safety management is linked to the background and culture of the owners and managers.
  
  If people have been brought up and trained in a culture of good practices that generally shows through in their management of food premises – conversely, if people have been brought up and trained in a culture of bad practices (or what we would consider as poor) that generally shows through in their management as well.
  
  It is (contrary to Stiffy’s incorrect assumption) also the reason why we do tend to see ‘Indian’ and ‘Chinese’ food premises featuring more prominently (again as a big generalisation) in the poor food grade publicity by councils. It’s quite common for immigrants, especially Indiand and Chinese, to open food premises once in NZ as a relatively low cost way in to business and can, at times, bring poor food management practices with them – until either they fold, or lift their game.
  
  NZ has among the best food safety practices and management, and regulatory environment, in the world. Others aren’t quite so used to such practices.
  
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  June 3, 2019 1:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I have eaten in Asia for over 40 years with their food standards and have never once been ill.
    
    Not sure why all the above happens.
    
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    June 3, 2019 8:40pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Bicycle Day!
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June 3, 2019 11:40am
- kowtow
  
  Discriminates against unis and tris ……
  
  Perhaps ubtcycle day would be more inclusive.
  
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  June 3, 2019 12:25pm
kris

I wonder if this is enough funding for a flying exoskeleton, so that my gender of “Iron Man” can be “affirmed”…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113159788/rainbow-youth-welcome-government-funding-for-gender-affirming-surgery
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June 3, 2019 11:47am
- Tall Man
  
  I think that is a very fair request.
  
  Let us know how you get on 😉
  
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  June 3, 2019 1:06pm
Tall Man

“but it gives them the opportunity to engage brain before speaking”

Bollocks.

The slow moderation does not allow a conversation to flow as there are usually similar comments and points raised that are in the nether world.

The abuse never bothered me as a getter and a giver when needed.

You say ignore the trolls, I say ignore the insults.

Having honest comments about ardern and co edited or deleted is childish in my opinion. After watching “the duck” uttering his foul and insulting comments, I see no reason to not respond when it is appropriate and having a bunch of low intellect trolls infesting this site with comments that promulgate absolute lies I see no reason to restrain myself.
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June 3, 2019 11:53am
- Batman
  
  The problem is that you
  
  believe
  
  she lies constantly, which isn’t actually correct. Therefore you are using DPF’s blog to potentially defame someone.
  
  Start a Twitter account if you want to do that every comment.
  
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  June 3, 2019 12:30pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Sorry Batman you are incorrect.
    
    I “know” she lies constantly as does every other voter in New Zealand.
    
    Lefty voters say that her lies are ok because Sir John Key” did it .. or that Simon Bridges does.
    
    Other more normal people know exactly what is going on and the attempts on this blog to “sanitise” ardern are just censorship and fall into suppression of free speech, in my opinion.
    
    The chant : “9 long years of neglect” is also a lie and is repeated in Parliament, on here and in the media constantly. Why is that slur on the previous 3 Governments permitted when calling a liar a liar is not?
    
    When does a person become defined as a liar? Is after 1 lie, 2 – 3 or 100?
    
    When did Ivan get the name “Ivan The Terrible”. Was after he did a couple of “terrible” things or was it because he was terrible all the time? Was he “terrible” to his wife and children, his friends, his dog or his horse?
    
    Last week we had, the the famous words of Judge Mahon, ” an orchestrated litany of lies” from ardern all the way down to the lefty interns posting on here.
    
    We also have had the biggest lie foisted on New Zealand by labeling the budget “The Wellbeing Budget” . That lie was so big that nobody actually believed it. Was that lie ardern’s, robertson’s or the coalition’s?
    
    The week before we had the “rape” allegation then when back pedaling both ardern and the duck said we don’t want trial by media. That is a lie, of course they do but only when the narrative is biased their way.
    
    The slow moderation does have a major impact on the flow of the discussion and that is also a fact, not just my opinion. Now if that is the only way that this blog can remain untouched then shouldn’t David, yourself and all members of this blog be outraged that our country has been allowed to descent this far so quickly?
    
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    June 3, 2019 12:59pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      ‘Wellbeing’, mandated by the UN? Can we use the word mandated?
      
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      June 3, 2019 4:26pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Of course you can.
        
        You are a member of the mikey/steffy appointed tribal alt right and it is Man/datory that you use sexist, insulting and libelous language so as to keep the left “outraged”
        
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        June 3, 2019 4:57pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The moderators are doing a good job, Batman. That some of the resident primates are moaning that they can’t fling excrement with impunity any more should be taken as a sign pf success.
    
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    June 3, 2019 2:20pm
    - Frank Thomas
      
      Sigh…….. I rest my case…..
      
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      June 3, 2019 4:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Good job modnmodagain
      
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      June 3, 2019 4:45pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You’re welcome.
        
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        June 3, 2019 4:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Never miss a chance for a cheap insult eh mikey.
      
      Had you bothered to read and then comprehend my post you would see that I am not attacking batman but the fact that it is needed so as to not offend our political masters.
      
      That is what offends me the most. You do make the list though so take heart.
      
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      June 3, 2019 4:59pm
bouden

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/will_nz_consumers_pay_the_price_for_the_amazon_tax.html
So, what is the issue with Government moving to secure its tax base? Dodging GST by buying offshore is akin to doing ‘cash jobs’ to dodge PAYE. Granted Amazon US has a wider range offered compared with Amazon Aust, but much of the former is from vendors other than Amazon, and they should not be selling outside US unless they play the tax game. Is all part of the international Tax Authorities cooperation to combat evasion through eCommerce.
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June 3, 2019 11:58am
Tall Man

You are correct in some way but… the cost of collecting this tax in many instances exceeds the tax itself yet we still have to pay the whole amount.

The previous level of $400 was ok but in some instances the “tax” plus “fees” exceeded 15% by a large amount. Is that fair?

I favour the higher limit being retained or even raised a tad. In the past, I have had separate orders held and amalgamated with the GST applied over the whole total. I did not have a problem with that approach but I do object to having the GST applied to the freight cost that I paid to an overseas provider who will be paying their own variant of GST/VAT on the shipping costs.
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June 3, 2019 1:04pm
- Ian Boag
  
  And as far as Amazon are concerned, they already collect state sales tax in the US. I think they even do it for out-of-state sales. So collecting GST for stuff going to NZ would be no big deal for their IT systems. I dunno why they went through all the drama of a .au site when they could have just done this.
  
  The current setup here involves a $50-odd straight up fee plus a biosecurity fee plus a Customs entry fee. It’s hard to find myself agreeing with you (you would probably say the same) but this is just bonkers.
  
  If Amazon collected and remitted GST and parcels from them were tagged in some way that would make heaps more sense. I doubt that they would get into the under-invoicing that goes with Aliexpress stuff.
  
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  June 3, 2019 5:43pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Food for thought…. Is there a state in the US that has a population of a similar size to NZ that has a different tax structure than elsewhere in the US?
    
    Sales tax in the US is heaps lower
    
    “As of 2018, rates range from a high of 7.25 percent in California to just 2.9 percent in Colorado.”
    
    Maybe the volume of sales here and in Oz is not worth the effort.
    
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    June 3, 2019 6:20pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  it’s been $400 for 33 years hasn’t it? Back then it was $40, but in that time we have had 120% inflation so that would be $90 now, and at 15% GST now that should be about $600 tax-free allowance.
  
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  June 3, 2019 6:46pm
All_on_Red

On September 2, 2016, one of the text messages from Lisa Page to Peter Strzok reads:

“POTUS wants to know everything we’re doing”

She wrote it as she was preparing talking points for FBI Director James Comey

Obama knew.
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June 3, 2019 2:49pm
- Alien
  
  Whoopsie.
  
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  June 3, 2019 3:14pm
  - kowtow
    
    Whoopsky.
    
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    June 3, 2019 3:30pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Has the current president made another called for those FBI agents to be executed yet?
  
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  June 3, 2019 4:50pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe he should.
    
    Never has there been such a concerted campaign against a legally elected President.
    
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    June 3, 2019 6:07pm
    - Batman
      
      Probably because he is the dodgiest president ever legally elected (with some help from a foreign state actor)
      
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      June 3, 2019 6:52pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Nice to see a mod with a strong opinion………..
        
        Are you sure about the foreign aid or are you relying on steffy girl…………
        
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        June 3, 2019 8:28pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Liar
    
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    June 3, 2019 6:10pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      He did say this though
      Excerpt from Trump’s remarks before leaving DC for London:
      Q Would you being willing to meet with Sadiq Khan in London—the mayor?
      THE PRESIDENT: No, I don’t think much of him. I think that he’s a—he’s the twin of de Blasio, except shorter. Okay. Thank you everybody.
      
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      June 3, 2019 6:11pm
      - nasska
        
        Careful! If there’s one thing the socialist left can’t stand it’s quotes of what Trump ‘actually’ said rather than what they would’ve liked him to say.
        
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        June 3, 2019 6:16pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ha ha.
        Luckily he didn’t gratuitously insult any of the royal family…
        
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        June 3, 2019 6:34pm
      - toby1845
        
        Seriously, wouldn’t it be hilarious to see the gorgeous Melanea Trump being introduced to Sodom Khan’s big black rubbish bag!
        
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        June 3, 2019 10:08pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sure, he only implied that.
      
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      June 3, 2019 6:27pm
  - Alien
    
    Wrong president, it was the clintons that had people suicided that went against them
    
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    June 3, 2019 6:22pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Isn’t it about time for a proper investigation into those Clintons?
      
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      June 3, 2019 8:27pm
- stephieboy
  
  Context and background is central to this,
  
  “..In a Sept. 2, 2016, text exchange, Page writes that she was preparing the talking points because “potus wants to know everything we’re doing.” Potus is an acronym for president of the United States.
  
  But it is not clear that the text message between the two refers to the FBI’s investigation of Clinton. Johnson’s report only says that the text “may relate” to the FBI’s Clinton investigation, since the Justice Department had redacted other text messages that related to other investigations. An earlier text in that sequence refers to the need to develop talking points for Comey in connection with a morning meeting “on the 7th.”
  
  The text in question was sent just as Obama was preparing to attend an international summit in China, where he would meet face-to-face with Vladimir Putin on Sept. 5. Describing that conversation months later, Obama said he told Putin at that meeting to “cut it out” in relation to attempts to meddle in the U.S. election.
  
  An Obama spokesperson declined to comment. Obama had been scrupulous in 2016 at avoiding public statements about the Clinton email investigation, even after Comey announced in July that the bureau would not bring charges against the Democratic nominee
  
  …’
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fbi-texts-obama-wants-know-everything-we-re-doing-n845531
  
  Sigh!
  
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  June 3, 2019 8:30pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Moderators posted at 8.30pm . Still awaiting as at 9.50pm.
    
    Whats the difficulty ?
    
    [Mod: “Whats the difficulty ?” Do you really want us to answer that stephieboy?]
    
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    June 3, 2019 9:55pm
    - softail 1450
      
      They are still looking for a suitably qualified interpreter Septicboy ,they are torn between the one at the Auckland hospital psychology dept and the one at the sheltered workshops in Hamilton ,LOL.
      
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      June 4, 2019 8:02am
MrTips

So I see that the Auckland Pride committee has decided that LGBTIP+ are not allowed to talk or meet with Xtians, or else face the DCM. Forget the cynical politics etc., it could have been a positive thing. But no.

This is a good display of compassion, tolerance and above all maturity…..sure it is.

Why on earth any self respecting LGBTIP+ identifying individual would want to associate with Auckland Pride is beyond me.
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June 3, 2019 5:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Auckland Pride seem to have form with this sort of infinite dissection of minuscule differences.
  
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  June 3, 2019 6:40pm
  - nasska
    
    There’s nothing holding them apart that a cup of tea, a hymn & Bishop Brian walking down Queen St in a pair of arseless leather chaps wouldn’t solve. 🙂
    
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    June 3, 2019 6:55pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      A scene I would enjoy reading about, but not necessarily seeing.
      
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      June 3, 2019 8:25pm
Happychappy

Finally National have made a complaint to Parliamentary Services to have a enquiry into who knew before Grant Robertson made his statement about the hacking of the budget details.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12236885
Paula Bennett wants answers and who new under the no surprise policy.
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June 3, 2019 5:34pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  1. Her request is to the State Services Commission, not to the Parliamentary Service.
  2. The State Services Commission will not be able to investigate ministerial conduct.
  3. Paula Bennett is right to suspect ministerial dirty dealing though; she is no stranger to that herself.
  
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  June 3, 2019 6:43pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ooooo… semantics mikey…..
    
    As you well know mikey, the SSC can look just wee tad under the radar .. or just a tad above……
    
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