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artemisia

Do we need more private rentals? If numbers continue to fall, taxpayers will need to stump up more and more for emergency and social housing. And that’s very very big dollars.

For years new bank lending to investors sat at about a third. (Investors building new or buying existing properties to rent out). That started to decline in 2016 when more restrictive LVRs came in and has been dropping even faster since September 2017. Now sitting at 18%. That is thousands fewer homes each month coming into the private rental pool.

The current government’s housing policies are discouraging private rentals bigly and encouraging taxpayer subsidised housing. Very bigly.

I am sure Ms Collins is quietly putting together a housing policy as we speak. Hopefully it will encourage the private rental market, traditionally relatively efficient but lately increasingly strangled by a government more than happy to take taxpayer dollars to increase the state sector.

I have some ideas that would encourage landlords to stay in the private rental sector. Any one else?
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June 2, 2019 8:16am
- WaveyDavey
  
  None of our remaining properties have tenants now. Far too much trouble for too little return.
  
  airbnb all the way – one in particular returns $60k/pa where as a traditional rental it would be around $25k. Absolute no brainer – no pita tenants and no RTA worries.
  
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  June 2, 2019 8:45am
- Colville
  
  IMHO long term rental housing needs a separate section in a councils district plan.
  The desirable attributes of a rental property is often (but not always) quite different to a OYO house.
  To encourage building for long term tenancy we need to at least have the option of small lot sizes with little or no green space as green space needs to be cared for by someone and there is a cost to that.
  Building multiple houses on a single sites needs to be an option without the need to jump thru the hoops of subdivision.
  Council would get its clawback by a special rating class that would account for higher density/higher facilities useage.
  
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  June 2, 2019 8:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    There should be zero rentals provided by the government or local councils. If they really want to get into the housing market they should be building low cost townhouse blocks and “selling” them to “tenants” on long term mortgages as per the Singapore model.
    
    Low cost housing that is owned suffers far less vandalism and provides a long term solution without vast cost to the tax payer.
    
    The absolute scum should be foisted back onto their iwi or housed in budget housing with zero benefit just food and housing provided with a massive input of directed education to get these people off the benefit and into work.
    
    No one deserves to be “kept” by the state for their entire life unless they are physically or mentally incapable.
    
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    June 2, 2019 10:28am
- Caleb
  
  NZ is too expensive full stop.
  Increase productivity.
  Decrease bureaucracy.
  Too easy.
  Or we can start building trailer parks.
  
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  June 2, 2019 9:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    4 bed home on the Gold Coast @ 400m2 for under $400,000 plus section.
    
    https://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-qld-arundel-131299446
    
    How’s that for under $500,000?
    
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    June 2, 2019 10:32am
    - Caleb
      
      That would be 800k in Hastings ?
      
      1.42 for petrol https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Australia/gasoline_prices/
      
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      June 2, 2019 11:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        Say thank you BRANZ, Fletchers and Carter Holt Harvey.
        
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        June 2, 2019 2:29pm
    - fernglas
      
      It’s $531,000 NZ, 140m2 on 242m2 section. In Papamoa same size house, GJ Gardner built, 324m2 section $584,000, so not quite that huge a gap.
      
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      June 2, 2019 6:07pm
      - Tall Man
        
        https://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-qld-coomera-131181622
        
        https://www.domain.com.au/pimpama-qld-4209-2015293872
        
        https://www.domain.com.au/pimpama-qld-4209-2015293878
        
        And remember these house prices normally include carpet drapes and appliance.
        
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        June 2, 2019 7:58pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Why when we can just allow freedom camping everywhere.
    
    I wonder how we would be tracking if national were still at the helm. Other than better, that is.
    
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    June 2, 2019 6:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      We would be tracking. The current bunch of liars are just meandering without a record of what, where or why.
      
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      June 2, 2019 8:00pm
- artemisia
  
  I would like to see some common sense applied to the Healthy Homes standards, at least by making some voluntary. At the moment they are mandatory and out of reach of some landlords, especially with older provincial or rural rentals with low rents and a lot to ‘fix’. Could easily be several thousand dollars, with large fines if not done.
  
  If you are a landlord in say the Far North offering cheap rent for a less than perfect home, you might well decide no more tenants.
  
  For example, instead of forcing every kitchen and bathroom to have extractor fans, windows that open should be enough for tenants to ventilate those areas. Showerdomes should be enough.
  
  Large open plan areas will need massive fixed heating (they mean heat pumps) and electrical upgrades, MCBs at least.
  
  Previous insulation requirements need to be upgraded, despite research showing the difference is negliglble.
  
  Then there is the proposed increased tenant rights under consideration by the government. Including removal of ‘no cause’ tenancy terminations, only limited reasons to end a tenancy will be permitted.
  
  And there’s more coming…..
  
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  June 2, 2019 1:57pm
Rob2

Suns up.

Politicians still stink.

Bullies still exist.

The poor are still with us.

We still have no affordable houses.
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June 2, 2019 8:18am
- Pete George
  
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  Yes, bullies still exist.
  
  Many readers will feel like a shower after a session with this book, and Thomson is to be applauded for her willingness to go where only trolls and the spiritually misshapen could feel at home. As she explains early on, her book was born from a footnote to Nicky Hager’s 2014 bestseller Dirty Politics, arguably the book that marked the beginning of the end for Slater by laying bare his methods and the scabrous demi-monde he inhabited.
  
  What animates the likes of Slater and the haters he attracts remains a mystery, other than that they lack normal empathy and a sense of decency. That they are enabled by the failings in our systems and our souls is more the point, and this necessary but unpleasant book should be required reading for anyone interested in reforming the media-legal nexus for the realities of the attention economy. That will be too late for Matt Blomfield, but at least he’s finally out of the shit, while those he wrestled are still in it.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/06/01/614160/where-only-trolls-and-the-misshapen-go#
  
  A review worth reading from Findlay Macdonald. The response to the book has been very good (albeit horrified at the lengths attacks went to,)apart from a small cabal of apologists for the trolls and the spiritually misshapen.
  
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  June 2, 2019 8:39am
  - David Garrett
    
    Jesus, have you got no shame? If you want to shill your mate’s book, take out a fucking ad!
    
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    June 2, 2019 9:09am
    - Pete George
      
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      Have you got no shame playing interference for probably the worst case of sustained character attack and bullying in New Zealand?
      
      It says something about your character to be attacking the messengers while ignoring and distracting from the message.
      
      Have you got any idea what you’re supporting?
      
      Have you let fly uninformed again? Did you bother to read the Newsroom review? Or are you only interested in supporting the trolls and the spiritually misshapen?
      
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      June 2, 2019 9:17am
      - David Garrett
        
        George: I have already told you that I have never met Slater. I have probably spoken to him on the phone a dozen times in 10 years. My last contact with him was to wish him a speedy recovery when it became known that he had had a breakdown.
        
        I am not “playing interference” for Slater or anyone else. What I object to is you hijacking my favourite political blog for your own purposes. Sometimes our gracious host can be too gracious; if Kiwiblog was mine, you would be banned until you stop shilling your own site.
        
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        June 2, 2019 9:21am
      - Pete George
        
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        This has nothing to do with whether you have met Slater or not.
        
        You’re trying to shut down revelations of what Slater and his accomplices have done, which apart from here has been seen as very serious, reprehensible.
        
        So you’re flying off the handle uninformed again. Your personal animosity and selfishness isn’t the only thing allowed to be shared here at Kiwiblog.
        
        DPF understands and champions the principles of free speech a lot better than you, but he still struggles with dealing with the those trying to shut down and shut up things they don’t like.
        
        There are people here who are as bad as the woke left at trying to shut down speech they don’t like.
        
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        June 2, 2019 9:31am
      - sooty
        
        Pete are you trying to drum up vists to your site?
        You will not get many here, maybe try on Hughies site, but then he don’t get any either, or stand in front of a mirror!
        You aren’t getting upticks. Give it up!
        
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        June 2, 2019 9:31am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Perhaps, if instead of latching on to someone else’s comment, you’d started your own thread it would have looked less like shameless self-promotion.
        
        BTW I read the Newsroom piece, and I’ve worked with Finlay and know that he has his own axes to grind, and while it’s fair for the most part there are several instances of guilt by association in there. So he’s certainly spinning his review to suit.
        
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        June 2, 2019 9:32am
      - David Garrett
        
        Jesus, are you thick as well as shameless? I’m not trying to “shut down” anything – not that I even have the ability to; what I object to is you using this site as free publicity for your own site and your mate’s book.
        
        If David feels the urge, he can write his own review of the book; I imagine he has much better things to do with his time than plough through some turgid tit for tatt hit job. And Yes, I read the review – so your shilling worked – and it’s clear McDonald’s writing hasn’t improved with age.
        
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        June 2, 2019 9:37am
      - Pete George
        
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        ” plough through some turgid tit for tatt hit job’
        
        You’re really showing your ignorance of what happened, and seem to have no intention of being informed. It was clearly a one sided sustained series of hit jobs (in more ways than one).
        
        Are you aware that Slater was found to have no defence for his defamation?
        
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        June 2, 2019 9:45am
      - srylands
        
        David just scroll down.
        
        I take comfort in the demise of ztev. Unlike Pete George, he really was ruining the place.
        
        It will pass soon. ?
        
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        June 2, 2019 10:27am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Ha! David Garrett has just asked someone: “Have you no shame?”
      
      Irony alert!
      
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      June 2, 2019 9:30am
      - David Garrett
        
        Mr Morrissey: Oh I have expressed shame and regret hundreds of times for my thoughtless actions of 35 years ago. But my obtaining a bogey passport 35 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with Mr George using this blog to drum up visits to his own, and to shill for his mate’s book.
        
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        June 2, 2019 9:50am
      - Pete George
        
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        I stand by my stance, in contrast to shameless shilling for Slater David.
        
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        June 2, 2019 9:59am
      - Morrissey
        
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        …I have expressed shame and regret hundreds of times for my thoughtless actions of 35 years ago….
        
        It’s got nothing to do with that weird passport business 35 years ago. I meant your more recent behaviour, especially your involvement with the S.S. and your support for Garth the Knife McSticker’s campaign of derision and belittlement of the victim of a knife killing in South Auckland.
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/noelle-mccarthy-swallowed-vomit-for-15.html
        
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        June 2, 2019 10:43am
      - stephieboy
        
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        DAvid Garrett,
        
        “What I object to is you hijacking my favourite political blog for your own purposes. ”
        
        Another irony alert is in order!
        
        It might be your” favourite” political blog but not yours to try and own.
        
        PS Get help! Visit your Doctor.
        
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        June 2, 2019 10:45am
    - Simon
      
      Bullying. Interesting there are some so paralyzed with fear of the left they can’t speak any truth or actually question anything so instead run the most boring websites.
      
      Bullying, intolerance & hatred is part of left wing culture. Failure to see this is failure to understand the modern world.
      
      Just tying running with something like men are paid more than women because women make different life choices. Generally women make more “Wellbeing” decisions compared to men who economic decisions hence are paid more.
      
      Look at Wellbeing with woman & men in the workplace. Even just question it. Dont draw any conclusions. Run that on your website & twitter and see what happens. You could write another book about bullying. No one would publish it though.
      
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      June 2, 2019 9:44am
      - Tall Man
        
        Just remember…
        
        Silent Majority, Private voting.
        
        2020.
        
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        June 2, 2019 10:35am
    - fernglas
      
      To be fair, DG, you often hijack this blog to expound on your views and to shill for SST and others. Sauce for the goose…..?
      
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      June 2, 2019 6:10pm
  - Happychappy
    
    PG you are doing the exact trolling of Cameron Slater and showing your intelligence is no better than his. Now to get this right I despise Cameron for his politics and his blog but your behavior is no better.
    
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    June 2, 2019 9:10am
    - Pete George
      
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      I’ve heard that line before often enough, but it’s laughable.
      
      Is it a deliberate joke? Or are you serious?
      
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      June 2, 2019 9:35am
      - Happychappy
        
        Yes I am serious and you are no better than spoilt child. I have commented about three times in just over four year on what you post and think you need to grow up as hate consumes people, maybe you should seek help.
        
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        June 2, 2019 9:46am
      - Rob2
        
        Actually while you don’t recognize the fact, it’s you that’s the joke.
        
        Mostly none of us give a shit about this stuff.
        Arseholes will always be arseholes and in the immortal words of the Whale.
        Never wrestle with a pig. The pig doesn’t mind the muck.
        
        Go back to your own pig pen and wrestle with the pigs.
        
        But you won’t will you. Can’t can you.
        
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        June 2, 2019 9:53am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Cease your tedious link-whoring, if your Blug was any good you`d get the visitors you crave.
        
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        June 2, 2019 10:04am
      - Pete George
        
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        I don’t feel any hate in this. Just a willingness to hold reprehensible (and possibly hateful) behaviour to account. Behaviour you’re noticeably defending, seemingly deliberately.
        
        It’s interesting you’re suggesting I seek some sort of help, while ignoring or diverting from the people who are ruining their lives trying to ruin other people’s lives.
        
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        June 2, 2019 10:22am
      - srylands
        
        Pete George, I try to remain positive here. I make a modest number of contributions and I refrain from attacks on commentators. I don’t indulge in saying nasty things about politicians. I prefer to offer and debate ideas.
        
        So with that context, you are not a bad person. You are not even a pain in the arse. But you are on the way to becoming a pain in the arse. But the good news is that you have your very own blog where you can fill your boots. ?
        
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        June 2, 2019 10:43am
  - Inandout
    
    Finlay MacDonald reviews are about as useful as sandpaper on a toilet roll. He used to edit the Listener and the magazine is still in a downward spiral.
    
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    June 2, 2019 9:18am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Not having to start with the problem of needing to take a left or right point of view at the outset, I though the review was very good, probably to the point that reading the book would be unnecessary. Not sure if Blomfield has children though I gather he is married, so the attack on him in his own home really needs to be resolved. Even seeing the little bloke flat on his back in the boxing ring doesn’t compensate for that.
      
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      June 2, 2019 10:04am
      - Pete George
        
        Blomfield’s two young daughters witnessed the attack, where two shots were fired and Blomfield was hit over the head with the shotgun after it misfired when fired again.
        
        When Blomfield was laid out and his family fled inside the attacker broke in to pursue them. They locked themselves in a bedroom.
        
        The review is good but nothing can do justice to the detail on the book, both of the horrific attack, but of several months of daily attack posts at WO, publishing extensive private details (from a hard drive ‘obtained’ by Slater), providing the hard drive content to others (including ‘Lauda Finem’, who were associates of Slater’s), years of ongoing threats and extensive abuse and lies and defamation etc etc.
        
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        June 2, 2019 10:12am
      - Durden
        
        The irony seems to escape all including Peter George and Findlay Mc.
        
        She could be describing Slater here.
        “When we encounter, on Twitter or Facebook, on a blog or just gossiping over a coffee, a story that demonises someone, it satisfies our most primitive instincts for story,” she writes. “We get excited, and we want that person to be as bad as they can be: not only a failed businessman but a pornographer and paedophile. Anything less is disappointing because it denies us the momentary ‘high’, that unity of shared outrage.”
        
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        June 2, 2019 10:15am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Funny thing this sasanach spelling.
        
        The newsroom review is by Finlay Macdonald.
        (not Findlay; not McDonald; not MacDonald).
        
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        June 2, 2019 10:15am
    - MrTips
      
      Isn’t McDonald married to one Carol Hirschfeld, ex-RNZ head and meeter of ex-Cabinet Curran?
      
      And we all know what a dick Slater was/ is. Not the first, not the last. There’s peace in letting it go Pete.
      
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      June 2, 2019 10:09am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Personal connections are everything.
        Yes, we might have heard enough from Pete George about arch-scumbag Slater for a while. None of the regulars on Kiwiblog who have spent years adoring the Whaleoil approach to nastiness want to be constantly reminded about how nemesis can follow hubris.
        Best to leave the Slater to expire quietly under the rotten woodpile of his own construction.
        
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        June 2, 2019 11:11am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Inandout, but only Cameron Salter for silky smooth 3 ply toilet paper.
      
      Like many poster on KB like you your problem is getting a hold on reality and what’s really happening beyond KB.
      
      Not your descent into irrational and paranoid impulses that behoves many here the on far and alt right.
      
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      June 2, 2019 10:55am
      - David Garrett
        
        Stupid boy: I can’t resist asking…am I a member of the “alt-right”? (I have never quite understood what that means).
        
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        June 2, 2019 11:13am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Anyone to the right of stephie is alt-right David; and stephie is right out on the left boundary!
        
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        June 2, 2019 3:30pm
      - The King
        
        *irrational and paranoid*
        
        Sees the Alt Right everywhere! under his bed even.
        
        [laughs in colonial oppression]
        
        [inserts pepe meme]
        
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        June 2, 2019 5:08pm
    - John Warren
      
      I’ve listened to Finlay enough on The Panel to know that I never need worry about having to piss on him if he’s on fire. He simply won’t catch alight. Far too wet.
      
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      June 2, 2019 1:18pm
Happychappy

Jacinda and her Finance Minister are in phantasy land if they believe they will get 1600 qualified staff needed to help fix mental health as just throwing money at the problem won’t help or fix it. By Legalizing Marijuana and other drugs will continue to plague the system also.Jacinda has been big on promises and weak on leadership to help some of these promises succeed and quickly passes the buck that should start with her and her Ministers very quickly and a great example of this is Housing and her Minister Phil Twyford. Mental Health is not trivial thing to be kicked around and a lot of it is caused by alcohol and drugs which we need highly qualified staff for not Comedy Stars that want to play political games between Labour and National.
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June 2, 2019 8:33am
- sooty
  
  Are these mental health courses that will be required to spit out qualified staff to be run along side basket weaving courses at the local polytec?
  
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  June 2, 2019 9:35am
  - Rob2
    
    Yep next big polytech rort on its way.
    
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    June 2, 2019 9:54am
  - Jules99
    
    Alongside teaching quals for Samoans.
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:05am
- artemisia
  
  More mental (and other) health professionals – immigration. Thar’ll end well.
  
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  June 2, 2019 9:40am
- Alien
  
  I support the effort to get more mental health staff, after another year of this government there will be more people in need of their services
  
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  June 2, 2019 9:46am
  - Overworked
    
    Good mental health staff take years to train. There’s a lot of research to show that outside a University environment talk therapy or counselling are ineffective. Clinical psychologists who are good with cognitive behavioural therapy are valuable, but they are thin on the ground.
    
    Importing people from another culture won’t work; mental health is interweaved into cultural norms which are often unspoken and in the case of Maori, often unknown to the white population.
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:16pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Perhaps O but there is a place for good counselling at what we might refer to as the lower end of the mental health problem. Back in the early day of what the COL jokingly refer to as 9 years of neglect the MOH provided GP’s with an easy assessment tool online. It enabled the GP who may or not have had the skill set to make an initial assessment a simply Q&A resulting in recommended treatment depending on the depth of the black hole. It included 6 free counseling sessions from a list of recognized practitioner chosen by the patient from a short list.
      Having earlier knowledge from others there was some skepticism from being aware that there are too many who claim a skill they in fact lack. Fortunately it turned out to be one of the best choices made in that low point so the new bright orange rope purchased was left to fade while being handy for other purposes.
      The guy chosen already had some practical life skills but his counselling methods were uniquely based on a very practical level. Leaving each session with his handwritten notes along with one thought to ponder until next time turned out to be powerful tool. Already being aware of mind power in much of what we do using this tool has made it the best universal tool yet. In fact it fitted well with another tool from some earlier physiotherapy sessions on relaxation and muscle manipulation for beating pain. It was a combined approach with body relaxation helped by mental imagery by channeling the power of the mind.
      Sadly the rip shit and bust ideology of the COL while fueling the growing numbers of those with mild to serous mental health issues will not be helped much by the seemingly massive cash injection. It is again just more aspiration objective setting as even they tell us it will take time to ramp up while theirs is rapidly running out.
      
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      June 2, 2019 3:20pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Awesome comment, P. Do GP’s still have that assessment tool and what is it called?
        
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        June 2, 2019 7:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jacinda and her Finance Minister are in phantasy land if they believe they will get 1600 qualified staff needed to help fix mental health
  
  You are correct.
  
  What they will get is a bunch of folk with entry level
  qualifications in counselling. All I can hope is that the majority of these have some common sense and previous experience in dealing with folks in mental distress.
  
  But I fear what will be turned out on our vulnerable youth is a pack of ineffective psychobabblers.
  
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  June 2, 2019 9:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maggy I have dealt with a few “counsellors from my side of the desk and without exception, they all had issues of their own to deal with and also had a large amount of “prefixed” diagnoses to trot out. And some of these were PhD level so god only knows what we would end up with a bunch of “rapidly” certified or immigrant mental health workers being unleashed.
    
    “In 2013/14, a total of 158,158 clients were seen by mental health and addiction services. Of these, 83,267 (52.6%) were male, and 74,891 (47.4%) were female.”
    
    I understand that this figure has increased dramatically.
    
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    June 2, 2019 10:47am
  - Jack5
    
    Excellent post, Maggie.
    
    It’s not the needed nurses, psychiatrists, and psychologists who will be added but an army of “counsellors”, “support staff”, and flakes like psychotherapists.
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:28pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      One of the unhealthiest people I ever met was a psychiatrist – an obese smoker. Wouldn’t trust him with my health, mental or physical!
      
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      June 2, 2019 7:09pm
  - cmm
    
    No, they won’t even get 1600 entry level people.
    
    They will get the invoices and expenses for 1600 from some NGOs.
    
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    June 2, 2019 3:07pm
- Overworked
  
  Their mental health strategy is cyncial window dressing. Better access to mental health care in primary care is a waste of time – primary care is already accessible and deals with milder presentations where the patient is safe and where effective drug treatment is available; suicides happen where specialist or inpatient input is not available or is refused.
  
  Our mental health system is excellent at being “a wall” – their major skill often seems to be to deny patient entry to higher level care. Higher level mental health care needs a detailed review, more psychiatrists and more inpatient facilities.
  
  Didn’t happen.
  
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  June 2, 2019 12:23pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The faux climate “emergency” being dropped on our children is not helping mental health either.
  
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  June 2, 2019 1:04pm
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  By including $1.9 billion in the budget for mental health, the CoL have clearly recognised that their supporters need lots of help.
  
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  June 2, 2019 4:54pm
WaveyDavey

Anyone else see the link to the left of the page? “New Zealand’s living fossil.”

I was expecting something pithy about Winston but unfortunately not.
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June 2, 2019 8:43am
- Tall Man
  
  Not sure he is actually “living”. Hibernating I think.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:48am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Winston’s time in Parliament is aptly represented in the documentary ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:10pm
Happychappy

I though Jacinda was the peoples princess and children savior if so why is she not getting Phamac to fund this drug to help save young children’s lives.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/06/pharmac-threatened-with-legal-action-to-fund-life-saving-drug.html.
What would she be thinking if it was one of her family.
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June 2, 2019 9:01am
- kowtow
  
  Yeah but the headlines in the international media wouldn’t go down so well with the globalist ambitions……
  
  “New Zealand Ends Foreign Aid to Fund Domestic Health”
  
  Shock ,horror that would be so “Trumpian”
  
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  June 2, 2019 9:39am
- stephieboy
  
  Happy Chappy , as this 2011 report shows similar issues in respect of Pharamc funding were affection the Key Government. I’m sure we could say what his family be thinking of if similarly affected ?,
  
  The politics of Playing God!
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/features/5131037/Pharmac-The-politics-of-playing-god
  
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  June 2, 2019 11:09am
  - Happychappy
    
    That a strange comment from someone involved in religion especially when it involve’s children.
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:07pm
    - Tall Man
      
      When did being “ardernistic” become a religion.
      
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      June 2, 2019 2:35pm
Lee C

That’s a good article ‘scabrous demi-monde’ heh, could describe at least one other popular blog-site I could think of.
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June 2, 2019 9:08am
- David Garrett
  
  Lee C: Yes, he certainly lays on the lurid adjective rich descriptions. It actually reads like a sixth form essay in which the writer mainly wants to show off his huge vocabulary. McDonald’s writing is normally much better than that.
  
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  June 2, 2019 9:24am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Ah, you’ve met him then.
    
    Big brain, bigger ego.
    
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    June 2, 2019 9:34am
Happychappy

Finally Liverpool have been rewarded for a great season, enjoy it Biscuit and have a great day.
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June 2, 2019 9:20am
- skyblue
  
  Fuck the Scousers.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:28am
  - Happychappy
    
    I have followed Man U since the Munich Air Disaster and seen and listened to the the crap thats spouted continually by Liverpool and ManU fans but with the season Liverpool has had gets the accolades they deserve as football is the winner here. Knowing what a avid fan Biscuit is he will be probably would be happy with my praise.
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:18am
    - Biscuit
      
      Thanks, Happychappy.
      
      And you have a good day, too, skyblue. On a day like today I can even tolerate prats like you.
      
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      June 2, 2019 12:48pm
krazykiwi

It’s time ‘Extinction Rebellion’ participants were declared terrorists. Any ‘ethnic’ group proposing to disrupt civil air traffic with drones would designated as such.

Jail time. For the lot of them.

And keep them eating mung beans with the heating off lest they complain about their personal emissions footprint.
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June 2, 2019 9:21am
- emmess
  
  The real drones are these mindless automaton kids. Who are doing exactly what the politicians, media and academia have programmed them to do.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Just another group of upper middle-class virtue signallers
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/17/extinction-rebellion-leaders-jet-setter-buddhist-teacher-yoga/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IPFRjLBqo8
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    They are all hypocrites, just like dear leader and shaw.
    
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    June 2, 2019 10:51am
  - stephieboy
    
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    MW, this is always useful to remind superficial thinking souls,
    
    “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall….To be great is to be misunderstood.”
    
    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:14am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You do realise this quote is from Emerson’s essay on “Self-reliance”?
      
      I do find it mildly amusing that you (in your anonymous state) are so reliant upon it and foist it on KB so frequently.
      
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      June 2, 2019 12:25pm
      - Swifty
        
        He thinks that by posting it will make him seem clever.
        
        Which is not very clever.
        
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        June 2, 2019 12:46pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, but not e.g All on Red , Tall Man, Swifty etc, etc.
        
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        June 2, 2019 3:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Obsessed much?
        You’re a creepy little stalker.
        
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        June 2, 2019 3:44pm
    - The Feed
      
      This isn’t a foolish consistency.
      
      It’s like a vegetarian eating meat. If you’re eating meat, you’re not a vegetarian. If you’re travelling on aircraft to a skiing holiday, you’re not engaging in “emergency travel only”.
      
      Their words are meaningless, and therefore their credibility is zero.
      
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      June 2, 2019 1:23pm
- alloytoo
  
  Should we setup a “Give a little” page, for the poor guards I mean, keep them in Bacon rolls and the like?
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  June 2, 2019 10:49am
Colville

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113107808/30000-in-penalties-after-workers-at-popular-vineyard-missed-out-on-wages

So these two bring 12 souls in from PNG on visitors visas, hire them out to Te Mata (great booze !) , invoice ($26,000) and are paid by Te Mata, then dont pay the workers. It was “education” they say.
The workers had to pay to get to NZ.
Then they try and liquidate the company to hide their tracks.

They are fined $30,000.

Why the FUCK are they not both in jail?

Maybe its just a coincidence that these scum are both members of Destiny Church?
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June 2, 2019 9:36am
- Alien
  
  Because our leaders are trying to look good for the un by reducing our prison population.
  
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  June 2, 2019 9:47am
  - southtop
    
    Then use a PNG jail
    
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    June 2, 2019 10:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Worse…
  The PNG workers had to pay 2500 kina ($1100) to come on the Swarbrick’s “life skills programme” – designed to to encourage PNG nationals to break a cycle of widespread
  bribery and corruption in their homeland by experiencing another countries political
  life style and applying the learnings at a community level.
  
  Priceless!
  https://www.employment.govt.nz/assets/elawpdf/2019/dd054bedf0/2019_NZERA_304.pdf
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:56am
  - mark15
    
    Oh the irony
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:10pm
  - Jack5
    
    Chloe Swarbrick’s PNG links are explained in this extract from an article on the web site, Vice:
    
    Swarbrick was born in Auckland, after her mother, a New Zealander, moved home from London after agreeing with the biological father that he would remain anonymous. Her mother soon met the man Swarbrick calls Dad—he adopted her when she was three—and a little sister joined the family two years later. But the couple broke up after two years, and the girls moved with their mother back to London.
    
    The arrangement didn’t last, and soon Swarbrick and her sister went to live with their father, who had moved to Port Moresby, the capital of Papua New Guinea.
    
    AND:
    
    After a couple of years, the family moved back to Auckland.
    
    When she was 12, Swarbrick learned her dad wasn’t her biological father. By then, her mum had also moved back to Auckland, pregnant with her half-brother, and Swarbrick found herself spending half the time living with her mother, a woman she hardly knew, and with whom she still has a difficult relationship …
    
    When the global financial crisis hit in 2008, her father, who works in finance, lost everything …
    
    The full article:
    https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/nzpe48/aucklands-youngest-mayoral-candidate-didnt-win-but-will-she-make-it-to-parliament-v24n4
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:24pm
- jonno1
  
  There’s no suggestion that Destiny church was in any way involved, other than that two of the crooks apparently met there and used it to whitewash their nefarious activities. Just sayin’.
  
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  June 2, 2019 12:06pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
GROPERS UPDATE!

Avid Groper-trackers—the pervert Cap’n Mainwaring, the creepy “Tall Man”, the disturbing “Swifty”—will be well aware that No. 72 in our series was the loathsome Japanese phenomenon of the “chikan”, who gropes women on crowded trains.

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/05/gropers-no-72-chikan-may-11-2019.html

We are delighted to report that Japanese girls are not taking it lying down…
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/31/1861668/–These-School-Girls-Just-Aren-t-To-Take-It-Anymore-Jail-The-Molester

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
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June 2, 2019 9:43am
- alloytoo
  
  Could gropers please keep us up to date on the Labour youth camp groper.
  
  That wood be far more useful and relevant than the changing nature of Japanese train culture.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:29am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    No chance, it is looking like this case could still be without judgement at the next election.
    Wonder what the record is for a case being resolved?
    Went searching came up with this pearler.
    Fastest Jury Decision
    On July 22, 2004, a New Zealand jury deliberated after a marijuana cultivation trial. The jury took a minute to decide that Nicholas Clive McAllister was not guilty.
    The likelihood of this sick puppy going to trial wood be like thinking Matey Karl getting the bums rush and deported to Poland.
    Both are just not going to happen under the most open government NZ has ever seen.
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  Oh, and by the way, can you provide evidence that I’m a pervert?
  If you can’t, shut your evil mouth.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:36am
  - Morrissey
    
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    … can you provide evidence that I’m a pervert?
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/encounter-with-nun-dec-31-2018.html
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:08am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      The name of the person who posts on Kiwiblog as Captain Mainwaring is definitely not Keith.
      Christ you’re a sick puppy.
      
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      June 2, 2019 12:12pm
  - Rob2
    
    Sounds like defamation to me.
    Send him a lawyers letter.
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:08am
    - Morrissey
      
      You’re funny.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
      
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      June 2, 2019 1:56pm
- rangitoto
  
  Don’t forget to add MLK to your list.
  
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  June 2, 2019 11:42am
  - Morrissey
    
    ????
    
    Martin Luther King consorted with groupies and prostitutes, but there’s no evidence he raped anyone or groped any woman on an airplane or anywhere else. As with Julian Assange, there is absolutely zero evidence of such behaviour.
    
    Very different, in other words, from Messrs Trump, Biden, Clinton, Kavanaugh, Bush…..
    
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    June 2, 2019 2:31pm
Rob2

The Illinois House passed a bill to legalize recreational marijuana on Friday, sending it to Gov. J.B. Pritzker, who campaigned on legalization in 2018. When he signs it, the state will become the 11th to legalize in America.

https://splinternews.com/the-illinois-house-passed-a-bill-to-legalize-recreation-1835160322
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June 2, 2019 9:45am
- Tall Man
  
  So they’ll be looking to increase their mental health budget as well shortly.
  
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  June 2, 2019 2:46pm
WaveyDavey

EVs – I’m curious why nobody is pointing out the obvious, that the future that’s proposed for NZ can’t work.

Putting aside the fact that currently they’re a tremendous way for the poor to subsidise the rich – no RUC and the proposed date for their introduction is constantly pushed back, there’s a real energy gap.

Currently NZ’s light vehicle fleet numbers 3.5million so you’d need capacity to charge that number overnight.

Some facts and figures:

A current mid-range ev, the Kia Niro, has a 64kwh battery which would draw 64/12 or 5.3kw per hour to charge. Which by the way would take 29 hours to fully charge from a normal socket.

A Nissan Leaf has a 40kwh battery which would need 3.3kw per hour to charge.

NZ’s current electricity generating capacity is 9,000 megawatts

So we’ll need that 9MW to live as we do at the moment.

If we had 3.5 million Leafs we’d need to have the capacity to produce an extra 12MW (3.5m x 3.3) so more than double our current capacity, 21MW in total.

If we had 3.5 million Niros we’d need a capability for another 18.5MW so 28MW in total.

This is before the currently non-existent electric trucks are factored in.

How come nobody from any party is pointing out that the numbers don’t add up and we can’t build enough capacity for the ridiculous proposals we have at the moment?
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June 2, 2019 10:00am
- alloytoo
  
  Which means every vehicle added to the grid is effectively powered by coal at Huntly.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:31am
  - peterwn
    
    No. The only time Huntly coal comes into play are on the odd occasions when some renewable generation is not available (lack of water or wind, equipment maintenance etc). Meridian for example recognises that the most appropriate backstop for its purposes is Huntly since the capital cost of the old equipment there is already ‘sunk’. Huntly also has coal handling equipment including pulverisors (coal dust is blown into the boilers) and means to remove particles from the smoke. If Huntly was not available Meridian (for example) would need to build cheap (but expensive to run) backup plant using gas and/or oil. The other ‘gentailers’ need to do similar either individually or in partnership.
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:21am
    - rangitoto
      
      It would need to be in play all the time (along with many similar) to charge the EVs.
      
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      June 2, 2019 11:45am
    - Ross12
      
      peterwn
      WD is raising the issue of a significant number of electric cars coming onto the road as per the Greens dream and the associated extra electricity generation required. Under that scenario, alloytoo is correct with our current set up.
      
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      June 2, 2019 11:53am
- Ross12
  
  On top of that WD , Transpower has done quite a bit of work on it and we don’t have the transmission capability to cope —huge extra extra expenditure required for Shaw’s dream, just on that alone.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:44am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Yeah, I’m glad I wasn’t totally out with my sums.
    
    I was concerned that I was missing something in my workings, also transmission is never 100% efficient of course.
    
    The only way I can see a complete EV fleet in the future is personal solar, which from what I’m reading would need a 7kw+ system to recharge the car (imagine a 2+ car household) so if we wanted to go totally off-grid, which would be great, we’d need two 7kw systems for the cars and a 20kw+ system for the house. 34kw+ system in total. I think that’s the thick end of $100k before you factor in batteries. Buys an awful lot of petrol and grid electricity – for us about 15 years worth.
    
    Then’s there’s the opportunity cost of putting money into the system which over 15 years would compound to a loss of $140k (assuming 6%).
    
    So to go where the greens want us to go we’d have to be prepared to forgo nearly $250k – not going to happen.
    
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    June 2, 2019 10:56am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      You are Totally and completely out with your sums.
      
      see my post below. You have made assumptions which are totally incorrect.
      
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      June 2, 2019 11:10am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    And even if we could generate the electricity required and could transmit it and had public fast chargers, given that it takes 30mins at best to recharge and 5 mins to fill up with petrol we’d need 6 times as many chargers as we currently have fuel pumps.
    
    How come the NZ public can’t see that the Green’s fairy tales would have us back living in the dark, barely venturing more than 20kms from where we were born. There’s a very good word for this anti-technology approach: Luddsim.
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:01am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Oh now come on! 95% plus of EV charging is done at home!
      
      Get your facts straight! you have no idea what you are talking about because you keep making false assumptions.
      
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      June 2, 2019 11:12am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        And where does the electricity that’s done at home come from – the national generating capacity.
        
        Frankly where it’s done is irrelevant.
        
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        June 2, 2019 12:37pm
      - Happychappy
        
        My son in law is a auto electrician and has Nisson Leaf 2018 and charges it at home and only tops up when needed at countdown, he says the reason he does this is because fast charge fucks the batteries.
        
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        June 2, 2019 1:01pm
      - slightlyrighty
        
        WaveyDavey.
        
        95% plus of charging will be done at home. This was to counter your argument about having 6 times as many chargers as Fuel Pumps. Your assertion about the number of charging stations we will need is incorrect.
        
        Your assertions about the amount of power generation we will need is equally incorrect, because you seem to have little grasp of how electric cars actually work.
        
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        June 2, 2019 1:35pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Hmmm well some economists agree with me
        
        http://www.infometrics.co.nz/big-ev-fleet-can-new-zealands-grid-handle/
        
        In simple terms we’re going to need to double our generating capacity to go 100% electric
        
        and the fast-charging scenario was an addendum to the earlier post.
        
        BTW I know exactly how they work – they absorb energy and they expend energy in roughly equal amounts, not quite because they aren’t 100% efficient.
        
        And it will great for me with my next car. Others will be subsidising my motoring to a massive degree. Long may that continue. 100% meh, never going to happen.
        
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        June 2, 2019 4:37pm
- MCos
  
  Cars can be charged overnight when there is spare capacity in the system.
  Mercury sends me information every week that indicates that our electricity use, for example, peaks in the morning when everyone has a shower and we might put on the heater and a load of washing.
  A lot of people are doing the same thing.
  The nations generating capacity is designed to cope for such peaks and there are times during the day when electricity is available for something else.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:59am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Have you ever been up the hills of Hataitai and seen how many cars are parked on the road about 100 metres from their owners’ houses which are up a whole lot of steps.
    How are these owners going to charge their electric cars?
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:12am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      It’s not the answer for everyone, but some owners are installing private charging facilities at their street level. These may also be the portion of the population that exclusively use public chargers.
      
      The same could also be said about apartment dwellers, although the ability to place charges in apartment parking should be a lot simpler.
      
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      June 2, 2019 11:58am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Better let your insurer and body corporate know you’re installing a charging unit in the apartment carpark. Insurers are keeping a watching brief on the number of charger fires that have happened overseas.
        
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        June 2, 2019 12:15pm
  - Rob2
    
    Except that if we used it during the day and the night we would run out of water very quickly. at least at night our dams get a refill.
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:12am
  - Ross12
    
    No MCos.
    When most of our electricity is produced by hydro it does not matter when it is consumed. It is the amount of electricity available that counts. If you have a whole lot of cars charging up over night more water has to go through the turbines to generated that extra requirement. The amount of water is not infinite.
    So as alloytoo says above, with our current setup the extra would come from coal.
    Yes currently a few electric cars will not make much difference but as those numbers increase significantly,if they do, then extra generation is required and solar panels and windmills will not do it.
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:17am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Okay spare capacity. NZ can generate a maximum of 9MWH that’s the amount that can cover those peaks.
    
    3.5 million (60kw) EVs all plugged in at once will cause an instant demand of 21MW which exceed the maximum generating capacity.
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:39pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Sorry that 21MW figure would be for fast-charging. Trickle-charging would cause a demand of half that or about 10MW which is (a) larger than our current maximum capacity and (b) would be in addition to the energy required to meet the current peaks which will continue.
      
      If everyone’s on a trickle-charger our installed capacity would need to be double what it currently is.
      
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      June 2, 2019 1:12pm
  - alloytoo
    
    And refill the hydro dams when?
    
    The dams are giant batteries, the notion that you can double the hydro power output by shifting times around simply doesn’t work at a national level.
    
    Oh and please remember that the sun doesn’t shine and the wind blows less at night.
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:41pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Not sure about that wind blowing less at night…. If that’s true we’re in for a smashing today after last night’s breeze……… 😉
      
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      June 2, 2019 3:06pm
      - alloytoo
        
        I looked into it, (googled it 🙂 )
        
        On average the wind blows more during the day as there is more energy about (I view it as second hand solar)
        
        Of course thats an average, and storms etc are an exception.
        
        But as I understand it wind turbines don’t like big storms either.
        
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        June 2, 2019 3:59pm
      - Tall Man
        
        alloy…
        
        “I looked into it, (googled it ? )”
        
        Hacked you mean 😉
        
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        June 2, 2019 6:35pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Wavey Davey.
  
  You have made so many mistakes in your calculations.
  
  First and foremost, you assume that every vehicle would be charged from empty to full straight away. You also assume that every vehicle would be charged every day.
  
  This is the same sort of assumptive calculations that allowed Twyford to claim he would build 100000 homes.
  
  Given that the average journey by car in NZ is 30km, and the new leaf, with its 40kwh battery has 260 kms of range, your calculations are out by a factor of 3 to four.
  
  The Charge per km factor means that the amount of charge required does not change simply because the fleet has a larger battery capacity. The charge needed to take a car 100kms remains the same, regardless of the battery size of the car being charged. For your calculations to have any merit, you must assume that because a car has 400km of range, it has to be driven for 400 kms daily.
  
  We don’t drain our cars petrol tank every day, we wont drain our batteries every day. The demand on power that you have claimed, and hence the energy gap, is MASSIVELY overstated, but remains the sort of calculation that any Labour minister would be proud of!
  
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  June 2, 2019 11:09am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Could the people who downticked me kindly point out where I am wrong?
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:31am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      They just hate electric cars, coz reasons.
      
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      June 2, 2019 11:57am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Not at all, my next car will be an EV. It will be the poor working people of NZ that will subsidising me – I’m all for it.
        
        Same way I love smokers, while they’re killing themselves they’re keeping my taxes down.
        
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        June 2, 2019 12:54pm
    - Ross12
      
      It has been done above. With a few electric vehicles it does not matter much but if the dream of a large part of the fleet becomes electric more generation is required.
      Put simply –petrol is providing energy to move the current vehicle fleet. If you want to replace say 50%+ of the fleet to electric cars then that energy has to come from somewhere and it is a significant amount of energy. This energy requirement is on top of our current generation. When people charge their vehicle is largely irrelevant. Our current generation does not have huge amounts of spare capacity, especially in dry years and do not forget our population is increasing so basic electricity demand increases.
      That is the basic point WD was making in his first post.
      
      MM it has nothing to do with hating electric vehicles. It is called facing reality. If Shaw said he was proposing to build a couple of medium sized nuclear power plants I would not be arguing with his idea.
      
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      June 2, 2019 12:29pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Because, if most of us used an electric car like we use a ICE vehicle every day it would require a complete charge every day or every other day.
      
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      June 2, 2019 12:44pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Actually it’s all been done for me.
      
      http://www.infometrics.co.nz/big-ev-fleet-can-new-zealands-grid-handle/
      
      “We will need to increase generation capacity
      
      With a fleet of four million cars, vans, utes, small trucks, and large trucks, charging all these vehicles could take up almost the entire currently installed generation capacity we have for electricity.
      
      According to Transpower, current electricity generation stands at 9,284 mega watts (MW).
      
      Research from Canterbury University [1] suggests that, if 100% of the fleet was electric, we’d need somewhere between 8,100 and 9,000MW to charge them all at the same time.”
      
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      June 2, 2019 2:16pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Cheers for addressing my points with facts, that’s a really great way to start a discussion.
    
    Yep I have made the assumptions that you say but given the limited range of EVs I think it’s fairly reasonable to assume that they’ll be plugged in overnight as a matter of course.
    
    You’re also correct that I’ve assumed that all EVs will need fully charging – that’s an incorrect assumption, however it doesn’t really make a difference to my argument. If you plug in your EV it doesn’t matter whether it’s fully charged or not it will be drawing the same power either way.
    
    Easy analogy, do you wait for your cellphone to go flat before charging or do you plug it in almost without thinking when you go to bed / sit at your desk? It might be 90% charged but you still plug it in.
    
    Yes it will turn off sooner but at the peak the demand, at 6pm when everyone gets home and plugs in the car, turns on the heating switched on the cooker, will be the same – massively exceeding the installed capacity. So that peak energy demand that we already have will be added to by the mass charging of EVs.
    
    Think of it this way, the time taken putting petrol in your car varies depending on how much fuel you’re putting in. However the time spent getting out of your car , standing in a queue to pay etc doesn’t change very much and comprises the largest part of the time taken to refuel.
    
    TL:DR You need an installed generating capacity that will cope with the maximum possible peak demand – 3.5 million EVs plus everything we do at the moment 3.5m cars x 3kwh = 10.5MW + 9MW currently installed.
    
    Otherwise it’s rationing
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:49pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    The other thing that occurs to me is whether that average journey of 30km is one way. If your work is 30km away is that two 30km journeys or one 60km journey. So a there and back could be twice what you’ve assumed.
    
    Also that average distance is per journey correct? Who says the average car only makes one journey a day?
    
    So that’s a Leaf needing to be charged fully every other day and a Niro every 3 days. Yeah I think it’s fair to assume that they’ll be constantly topped up.
    
    To work this out correctly you’d need to know the average number of km travelled per car per day. And that figure is 137km a bit more than the 30km you use.
    
    https://www.transport.govt.nz/news/land/we-are-driving-further-and-more-than-ever-before/
    
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    June 2, 2019 1:42pm
  - rockape
    
    But I get 900 kms on my tank in the diesel jeep. How many times would an electric car take to fill to do that. Many people like me rarely travel short distandes I average abouut 500 km a trip Electric cars a long way from that. Plus my jeep i 12 years old. had it een electric I would be spendinh half the cost of a new one on batteries. I Like diesels and flat 6 sports cars.
    
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    June 2, 2019 10:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  Wavey Davey, your sourcees ? That does not appear to the view of New Zealnd Transport on EV vehicles negative effect on electicity supplies and the national grid ,
  
  https://www.transport.govt.nz/multi-modal/climatechange/electric-vehicles/
  
  Here also,
  
  https://www.wired.co.uk/article/electric-vehicle-car-infrastructure-charging-point
  
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  June 2, 2019 11:23am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Nothing in the first link mentions the energy requirements needed
    
    Your second link actually quotes an academic who agrees with my thesis:
    
    “Malcolm McCulloch, head of Oxford University’s Energy and Power group, says that if car charging could be done intelligently, then only 20 additional megawatts of power would be needed– that’s the equivalent output a reasonably sized offshore wind farm. If not, then the capacity of the National Grid would need another 20 gigawatts, which is double the amount of energy currently generated by all the UK’s nuclear power stations.
    
    See that second figure – that’s 20 gigawatts or 20,000 megawatts
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:58pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    The other thing to be aware of is that the UK, as it has a large amount of electricity-intensive manufacturing has a greater spare capacity during non-working hours as it’s geared up for high demand during the day.
    
    So the unused overnight capacity is proportionately much larger than NZ’s/
    
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    June 2, 2019 1:22pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Closer to home…
    
    http://www.infometrics.co.nz/big-ev-fleet-can-new-zealands-grid-handle/
    
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    June 2, 2019 2:35pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Put Phil Twyford in charge. We all know he can work magic with the impossible. //
  
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  June 2, 2019 12:13pm
- jonno1
  
  Whether your assumptions are right or wrong, wherever you have put MW should read GW (I think!).
  
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  June 2, 2019 12:24pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    You’re correct, 9,000MW or 9GW. Sorry about that
    
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    June 2, 2019 1:16pm
- MarkF
  
  Firstly a disclaimer / confession. I am taking delivery of my first EV this week. No I am not a raving Greenie I am an Engineering Nut.
  
  WD and SR you both have valid points. WD yes if the uptake is what the Govt wants then there is a network/transmission issue which is not being addressed but agree with SR in that the daily makeup is only the daily usage not a full 80-100% charge. Therefore the total load is not as bad but that doesn’t solve the come home at 6pm and plug in the car, the surge load. Night charging could help but see below.
  
  Night charging would help as the generators would like nothing more than a more constant load but even though all the modern EVs can time their recharge cycles not all power suppliers offer Night Rate (even with Smart Meters), obviously not such an issue in non urban areas (no comparitive high peaks).
  
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  June 2, 2019 1:21pm
  - rockape
    
    AAA tested the BMW i3s, Chevrolet Bolt and Nissan Leaf from the 2018 model year, and the 2017 Tesla Model S 75D and Volkswagen e-Golf. All have a range of at least 100 miles per charge. They were tested on a dynamometer, which is like a treadmill, in a climate-controlled cell.
    
    The automobile club tested the cars at 20 degrees and 95 degrees, comparing the range to when they were tested at 75 degrees Fahrenheit, according to a report on the study.
    
    At 20 degrees, the average driving range fell by 12 percent when the car’s cabin heater was not used. When the heater was turned on, the range dropped by 41 percent, AAA said.
    
    At 95 degrees, range dropped 4 percent without use of air conditioning, and fell by 17 percent when the cabin was cooled, the study found.
    
    For example, AAA’s testers determined that the Tesla’s range when fully charged at 75 degrees was 239 miles, but it fell 91 miles, or 38 percent, at 20 degrees. […]
    
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    June 2, 2019 10:04pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  From memory powering all road transport with electricity would need a grid energy production boost of about 20%. Not nothing, but managable. Installing a shit load of PV would just about get teh job done given the huge amount of hydro on the grid that can cope with intermittency.
  
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  June 2, 2019 1:56pm
Happychappy

Petrol and Tourist taxes to help the Coalition spending, but also hurt those that they want to help. This is the Coalition’s lack of competence and inability to make things work as what this will end up achieving is loss of jobs through tourism high prices in groceries, fuel, transport and a raft of other items so its give out one hand and take that and more in the other hand. So how does that help the needy.
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June 2, 2019 10:05am
- alloytoo
  
  It takes a special kind of stupid to increase fuel taxes as global fuel prices are increasing.
  
  This is the second time they’ve done it.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:34am
  - stephieboy
    
    alloytoo, you have short memory. Consider the 2014 high in crude oil prices ( and before) ,
    
    http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/crude-oil/5-year/
    
    The excise tax will be minimal. I would say and extra $2.00 to fill your car.
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:36am
    - alloytoo
      
      How about the NZ average petrol price schedule for that period.
      
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      June 2, 2019 12:47pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right H it is just following the normal the same ignorant way the COL are still struggling to understand cause/effect or even imagine the unintended consequences. Firstly this is the second of 3 intended excise increases set in place in the wonderful first 100 days when the rot was all started.
  They blew their promise of no new taxes out of the water by wiping out the tax cuts legislated by National turning a gain into a loss for 1.2 million people. It was offset by additional benefits for a mere 384,000 who mostly not even net tax payers also stretched over 3 years. Thus multiplying the real tax loss that might have been gained by tax payers spending more of their of their net income in their pocket. Not forgetting superannuates who are suffering from tax bracket creep subsequently made worse by the single biggest super increase to date. Just another unintended consequence of artificially driving up the minimum wage also step 2 of 3.
  Their need for even more tax took a hit from the slowing economy when their tax take when they fell $600 million shot of expectations plus another $80 million of tax refunds. A windfall under the new automatic IRD process that would have a new experience for many who never bothered to to lodge a return before. They still can not grasp the fact that taxation is not the way to way to prosperity even more so when less are shouldering increasing levels of the burden. Added to by the poorest spinning from the rate their extra gains are providing less every fortnight as they feel it at the point of sale. But hey enjoy all those feelz while the last.
  
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  June 2, 2019 4:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Have to be feelz cos hugz is rapez……..
    
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    June 2, 2019 6:34pm
Yvette

Brian Tamaki has extended an olive branch to the rainbow community, offering up an apology to “anyone that has been hurt.”
Tamaki added that he had not changed his beliefs.

So, with un-changed beliefs, Brian would still contend that earthquakes – consequent of hundreds (if not thousands) of years of tectonic plate movements, with utterly random accuracy, are used by God to kill and maim homosexuals. God surely deserves an apology for being portrayed as so stupid – for example, the Kaikoura Quake releasing the energy of 40 Hiroshima bombs, but not killing any known homosexuals – since death, as occurred in Kaikoura and more so the Christchurch quakes, being what Brian means.

And who at this moment is a swarm of earthquakes between White Island and the Hikirangi subduction zone aimed at?

Nor, then, does Brian say sorry for reading in the Biblical record of Cain and Abel, that God heard the blood call out from the soil, but from that Brian asserts the soil called out too, which is not what it says.
And connects that mistake with a text relating to the soil vomiting forth sin (in an earthquake) in relation to the land Moses led his people to (as Golda Meir observed: the only patch of the Middle East without oil under it!) when God foretold those already occupying it, and Moses’ followers too if they misbehaved, could be spat forth, but when the current occupants were vanquished, it was not by an earthquake.

How does Brian Tamaki say sorry, and at the same time not change his beliefs, so is still right? Or believes he is.

And meantime, Hannah Tamaki on Checkpoint –
Question: Is gayness a sin?
Hannah Tamaki: “Yes in my perspective I would see [homosexuality] that way, as much as someone who beat their wife”

Oops …
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June 2, 2019 10:06am
- alloytoo
  
  Don’t under estimate the Tamaki’s they’re predator, not prey.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s money in exploiting the poor
    The preachers getting rich from poor Americans
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-47675301
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:07am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, nothing new. Consider Brian Tamaki and his Destiny Church.
      
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      June 2, 2019 11:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I have considered him and Destiny Church…
        What do you think this thread is all about?
        Haven’t you learnt how to read nested comments?
        
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        June 2, 2019 12:33pm
      - Swifty
        
        I have seen this so many times (him not reading the whole thread) I now believe he searches GD for individual names and then posts replies to any comment they’ve made – therefore frequently missing the context and that which has gone before.
        
        He’ll deny it of course.
        
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        June 2, 2019 1:02pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Swifty
        
        Yep, Stephieboy stalks my posts.
        I expect it.
        Griff did the same…and still does on Pete George’s blog if I post on climate/environmental matters.
        
        Cue the enabler trolls anytime soon to pile on the victim-shaming.
        So predictable.
        
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        June 2, 2019 2:14pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, it is not stalking. It is merely responding and commentating to what IMO are your, at times, rather inane posts
        
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        June 2, 2019 3:04pm
      - Inandout
        
        This is where the riches lie stephie:
        
        https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/a-four-corners-investigation-looks-into-halal-certification-and-its-impact-on-australian-consumers/news-story/2771fd1adea197a56aef05793a379c81
        
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        June 2, 2019 6:11pm
    - Tall Man
      
      She.
      
      steffy is a girl and has never denied it.
      
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      June 2, 2019 3:11pm
  - Yvette
    
    Alloytoo – Let us prey?
    
    In 2016, [Brian Tamaki] said same-sex marriage and murderers caused earthquakes and other natural disasters.
    “What I said there? Well that’s my opinion. That opinion was not based on any one person, but generally speaking.
    “I gotta say the media took it out of context. That was never what was said or reported. But at the same time, there is a definite link to natural disasters and to a type of activity.”
    When asked further about that, he said he didn’t believe earthquakes are caused by homosexual activity.
    – https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/391053/destiny-church-s-brian-tamaki-says-sorry-to-gay-community-but-still-doesn-t-agree-with-homosexuality – this morning
    
    Type Tamaki earthquakes NOV 2016 into the YouTube search panel and, select that video, you get 1 minute 54 seconds of what Brian actually says regarding “earthquakes are caused by homosexual activity”
    
    Of course any thinking person may feel this is an unimportant point, but then next Election, the Tamakis – Hannah and Brian behind her – may possibly hold the position Winston has since the 2017 Election.
    
    “Yeah, in Leviticus. We’re quoting Leviticus. But it doesn’t matter now … that was then, this is now.” – Brian Tamaki
    
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    June 2, 2019 11:39am
Happychappy

Any bets that Labour or the Coalition will want some credit for this.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12234954
A great achievement from this lad and some very good ambitions ahead.
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June 2, 2019 10:39am
- Tall Man
  
  Why would a kid with that much intellect and potential want to be a NZ Politician?
  
  Beggars belief.
  
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  June 2, 2019 10:57am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    At least he was with Todd Muller.
    
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    June 2, 2019 12:38pm
    - Tall Man
      
      True.. but……..
      
      That boy looks capable of anything.
      
      Still, a couple of years at a US varsity and a couple of lusty lassies later that stupidity will be well gone.
      
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      June 2, 2019 3:13pm
Happychappy

Like Mental Health and now Education Jacinda knows best so why do you need other people in the job if you are not prepared to listen.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12236509
Why would you want to cause inequality in schools in your quest for votes, do you really think the public are that stupid.
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June 2, 2019 10:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s most unfortunate that the democratic process constantly throws up figures in whom you personally have no confidence.
  How can countries find unifying leaders?
  
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  June 2, 2019 11:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    We have a unifying leader… unfortunately all she can unify are the idiots..
    
    For reference, look to the “hack” accusers yesterday.
    
    She’s definitely got the idiots on her team.
    
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    June 2, 2019 3:15pm
MCos

The Blackcaps thrash India! Might as well engrave our names on the cup now!

The Blackcaps thrashed by the useless West Indies. We’re just there to make up the numbers.

The Blackcaps thrash Sri Lanka! Who’s going to pay for the victory parade?
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June 2, 2019 11:06am
- Tall Man
  
  WTF is wrong with you?
  
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  June 2, 2019 3:16pm
Maggie Pie

Me and Sal go back a long way. As a teenager, i always had a ‘bit of a thang’ for leaguies as well. But the world has moved on. Why SPY would want to regurgitate this sort of salacious gossip masquerading as ‘news’ is beyond me.
Go well gurl – you deserve it.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/spy/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503840&objectid=12236517
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June 2, 2019 11:06am
Jack5

A high-stakes poker game is in play between the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (RBNZ) and Australian banks which own and run the lion’s share of NZ banking.

It’s also about how much power a country can have over its banks when by far the dominant ones are owned overseas.

Don’t be fooled by the lightweight article in Stuff today that this is about John Key, who well known veteran NZ business director Kerry McDonald says should be forced out of chairmanship of the NZ board of the ANZ Bank. (Key is also on the board of the Australian parent company).

The RBNZ has proposed raising the capital ratio requirements of banks as a cushion for any financial shock. This would affect end customers, the banks argue, and might even break one of the handful of comparatively small New Zealand-owned banks.

The banks reckon the RBNZ proposals could almost double the minimum common equity banks should hold — from 8.5 per cent to 16 per cent. The squeeze would flow on to borrowers from the banks.

Reuters reported last week that RBNZ Governor Adrian Orr as saying the central bank was “open-minded” about the size of its proposed increase to bank capital requirements but reiterated it wanted them to be higher than current levels.

McDonald, Key’s critic, from 1996 to 2008 was chairman of the Bank of New Zealand, owned by the National Bank of Australia, and McDonald was a BNZ director for five years before that.

The Stuff reporter calls Key a “bigwig with a financial title” and seems to suggest Key should be locked up! Suckers pay to read such crap.

For a background to central bankers’ views of the stand-off, here’s an article by former RBNZ governor Allan Bollard:

https://www.noted.co.nz/money/economy/global-financial-crisis-alan-bollard-reserve-bank-warns-new-risks/
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June 2, 2019 11:44am
- Rob2
  
  Yep and BNZ and NBA don’t have a very good record. People that live in glass houses should not use shot guns.
  
  AsK anyone who borrowed their offshore money.
  
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  June 2, 2019 3:28pm
artemisia

Oh dear, having teachers in charge is ‘inherently disrespectful’ to pupils.

But University of Auckland PhD candidate James Chapman-Richards has researched it, so it must be true.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/112522652/radical-overhaul-of-school-system-needed-to-get-youth-involved-in-politics-says-auckland-researcher
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June 2, 2019 11:55am
MCos

I’m sick of hearing about Apostle Bishop Brian.
His family should be shelved away in the gossip magazines with the Kardashians and Justin Bieber.
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June 2, 2019 12:02pm
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Wasn’t mum always right? Simon Bridge’s mother said that Simon hadn’t been brought up in a home where ‘that’ sort of language (swearing) was used. Others who heard the same tapes may have been disappointed when the National party leader belittled members of his own caucus. If considering discretion of what to with the budget details that came his way before budget night, he may have instead told the public that while he had the budget details, he was not going to release any material from them though it would be important for Treasury to look into how they had become available and he would assist. I wonder if, as an ex prosecutor and trained lawyer, he considered whose property it was and whether there was a right to convert it to his own use before it was made public. I think he may have squandered an opportunity to be seen as able to lift himself above pointless politics.
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June 2, 2019 12:47pm
- Alien
  
  It was on the internet, not secured, it was anyone property.
  
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  June 2, 2019 1:09pm
- Happychappy
  
  So are you insinuating that Simon Bridges a trained Lawyer and Prosecutorwas breaking the Law Brianeventhe Police have said different.
  
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  June 2, 2019 1:10pm
  - Alien
    
    What I find interesting is I was reading someone talking about had bridges had broken the law a few days ago, did a small search of that person and they are supporters of Julian Assange, weird.
    
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    June 2, 2019 2:14pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Would you open someone else’s mail, that wasn’t addressed to you then distribute it?
    
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    June 2, 2019 2:18pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      False equivalence
      Your desperation is making you look silly
      
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      June 2, 2019 2:23pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Sillier…..
        
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        June 2, 2019 2:27pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You are really poor at analogies.
      
      Have a look at this…
      
      https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/unemployment-rate-up-to-4-3-percent
      
      Then make sure you apologise to “Stats” for “hacking” their server.
      
      I can see why you vote labour… you sure have a limited intellect. Perhaps if you watch the “telly” tonight someone may explain all the hard stuff to you.
      
      In case you missed it when it was on the telly…
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/budget-documents-were-not-unlawfully-hacked-treasury-reveals
      
      and…
      
      “But the information was systematically searched from a website “that was clearly not intended to be public”, officials said. ”
      
      But it was “public” now crawl back under the bed.
      
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      June 2, 2019 2:26pm
      - alloytoo
        
        That pin is so bloody battered from so many dancing on it,
        
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        June 2, 2019 4:06pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I think that we should play the game exactly as Labour has, and continues to do, being the better man doesn’t work. Stooping to their level does.
        
        We can ask ourselves, ‘what would Labour do?’ and know that it is alright.
        
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        June 2, 2019 6:25pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Oh dear, insults. Come out and play under your own name. Choosing the handle ‘tall man’ could belie clear insecurity.
        
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        June 2, 2019 7:21pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “Choosing the handle ‘tall man’ could belie clear insecurity”
        
        It could be, or it could be that I’m just tall.
        
        However, I’m certainly not an apologist for coalition corruption unlike yourself 😉
        
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        June 2, 2019 7:29pm
- MrTips
  
  Brian: the Budget is EVERYONE’S property. That’s why it goes on the Treasury website. All this left wing crap about theft and faux morals is just deflection from the fact that it looks like Mahklouf and Robertson deceived and lied about their incompetence prior to budget day.
  
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  June 2, 2019 2:07pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    It’s everyone’s budget once released Mr Tips.
    
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    June 2, 2019 7:12pm
  - Tall Man
    
    People like poor old brian have forgotten that both government and treasury are our servants, not the other way around.
    
    However, sheepie like brian need to be led and they just can’t fathom that there are others that don’t.
    
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    June 2, 2019 7:33pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And is such law abiding citizen, so law abiding that it would make you sick!!!!
      
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      June 2, 2019 8:57pm
- Tall Man
  
  Just keep digging.
  
  You beloved leader and the dickwits around her will soon fall in.
  
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  June 2, 2019 2:19pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    My beloved leader, you’re off the planet.
    
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    June 2, 2019 7:08pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Would you open someone else’s mail, that wasn’t addressed to you then distribute it?”
      
      Oh dear… and you think I’m off the planet.
      
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      June 2, 2019 7:27pm
      - Alien
        
        Some people just don’t understand how the internet works. Yeah let’s take it a bit slower. The herald prints a story that isn’t meant to be printed until the next day. And all the papers are sold and in everyone’s letterbox, oh please dear readers don’t read the front page story until tomorrow, we screwed up and printed it early.
        
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        June 2, 2019 7:49pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Anyone who needs to elevate themselves with the name tall man is off the planet, dreaming. Suggesting that Simon should not have released the budget details is not apologising for anyone, your dreaming.
        
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        June 2, 2019 7:50pm
      - Tall Man
        
        you’re ffs.
        
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        June 2, 2019 8:21pm
Hugh Pavletich

… BRITAIN …

University agrees to pay £61,000 to settle case with graduate who complained of ‘Mickey Mouse’ degree … UK Telegraph
… behind paywall …

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/01/university-agrees-pay-61000-settle-case-graduate-complained/

A graduate who sued her university after claiming she ended up with a “Mickey Mouse degree” has received a £61,000 out of court settlement.

Pok Wong, 30, launched a legal action against Anglia Ruskin University complaining that its prospectus “fraudulently misrepresented” the business course she enrolled on in 2011.

After a two-and-a-half year legal battle, Ms Wong and the university have settled the dispute.

The university agreed to pay her a £15,000 settlement as well as make a £46,000 contribution towards her legal costs.

The case could now encourage other students to use the courts to ensure they receive value for money for the thousands of pounds they pay in tuition fees. … read more via hyperlink above (behind paywall) …
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June 2, 2019 1:16pm
- sooty
  
  How do they get on with a basketweaving corse in NZ?
  
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  June 2, 2019 4:46pm
Rob2

New Minimum Wage for Australia.

https://www.facebook.com/9News/videos/2280507628882160/
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June 2, 2019 1:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  Rob2 , the best in the world according to the TV news report.
  
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  June 2, 2019 3:07pm
  - sooty
    
    Do you believe everything on the tv like Cindy?
    
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    June 2, 2019 4:44pm
Rob2

Here is a good video to look thru. Quite long and dammed interesting. Policing in NZ at its finest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igbEee4swdc&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2Bqf0FTjuI1nyBwwIPdaogGQpntxF-g23CKNMj7MgxlivPss1v7jzzOpU&app=desktop
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June 2, 2019 3:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  scott watson makes a good case to bring back the death penalty.
  
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  June 2, 2019 6:30pm
Alien

*Shiver*

Don’t even want to open the article up

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/wild-rider-naked-jacinda-ardern-drawing-up-for-auction.html
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June 2, 2019 3:33pm
- Tall Man
  
  milt will be a starter for $10.
  
  He just wants to make sure it been done in vegan paint……..
  
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  June 2, 2019 6:28pm
  - Alien
    
    It was paint by numbers, slight mishap in the number 1 zone, but hey that can be fixed with the extra funding for gender reassignment.
    
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    June 2, 2019 7:42pm
Jack5

Macron and Merkel falling out – a German view:

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/merkel-and-macron-at-odds-over-new-eu-leader-a-1270223.html
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June 2, 2019 3:33pm
Jack5

An interesting internet destination on a cold, wet Sunday …

Richard Pearse, the Canterbury aviation pioneer, is the subject of a 29th of May YouTube video by the North American “History Guy”, who posts interesting videos on historic topics and people.

In the four days or so since it was posted, the Pearse video has attracted 34,000 views.

The “History Guy” is Lance Geiger, of the Missouri city, O’Fallon. Geiger is helped in creating the episodes by his wife, Heidi Weichert, and by a son from a previous marriage, Joshua. The studio is a home basement office.

The series episodes have accumulated tens of millions of views in total. The most popular has been about the Battle of Saragarhi, where British Indian Army troops made one of history’s greatest last stands. This video has run up more than 670,000 views.

The History Guy’s Richard Pearse video:

https://youtu.be/F-suOpy3rQU
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June 2, 2019 3:57pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  “He may well have been the first man to fly an airplane driven by an engine”
  No, he wasn’t. A remarkable man, but claims that he beat the Wright brothers to heavier-than-air flight are, to say the least, over-exagerated.
  
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  June 2, 2019 6:01pm
- sooty
  
  Did he say who fly first?
  
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  June 2, 2019 6:12pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There were many people around the world who attempted flights, but the Wright brothers are generally acknowledged as the first to achieve a controlled flight.
    
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    June 2, 2019 7:01pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Generally 37% of Kiwis think ardern is awesome… proves your point mikey, there are plenty of idiots out there.
      
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      June 2, 2019 7:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    Sooty’s right, Geiger said “may well have been the first” to fly a plane driven by an engine, and Geiger qualifies this with reference to “controversial claims”.
    
    Geiger also reports Pearse’s comments in later life that his pioneer flights were “too rough to have qualified” as being the first.
    
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    June 2, 2019 8:55pm
Alien

Just don’t ask to be taken to our leader, you’ll be greatly disappointed you travelled so far to meet her

“Former US defense official: We know UFOs are real – here’s why that’s concerning

After a bombshell report detailing near-daily interactions with unidentified flying objects by Navy pilots in 2014 and 2015, Christopher Mellon has argued that this information is nothing new, and the government needs to do something about it.

Mellon, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, is involved with a new History Channel series, ‘Unidentified,’ which will expand on topics discussed in a recent New York Times article. In numerous interviews, Navy pilots revealed that they saw UFOs moving at hypersonic speeds, performing acts “beyond the physical limits of a human crew,” and emitting “no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes.””

https://www.foxnews.com/science/christopher-mellon-official-ufo-sightings-real
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June 2, 2019 4:23pm
nasska

Tales of boy bothering by Catholic priests barely rate news status nowadays but in this case the sick bastard went for a new record & molested three brothers from the same family. A book exposing the abuse has been published recently.

……”What Chris didn’t know for decades was that Mike had been abused too, by the same priest, and that Mike found out in the 1980s that the same thing had happened to their younger brother Gerry, all of it in the 1950s and 60s.”……

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/391044/boys-abused-by-late-priest-in-auckland-church-open-up-in-new-book
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June 2, 2019 4:31pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  In a statement, the Catholic church said: “We haven’t seen the book so can’t immediately speak to the concerns raised. Our director of the National Office of Professional Standards, Virginia Noonan, says she would be happy to engage with the Ledingham brothers to better understand what happened
  
  How many more times do we have to hear the same story?
  
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  June 2, 2019 5:50pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    As the story was reported 17 years ago in The Herald, I find it hard to credit that the Catholic Spin doctors have no knowledge of “what happened” or what the Ledingham concerns are.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3008295
    
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    June 2, 2019 7:08pm
    - MrTips
      
      Let me tell you Maggy. Bishop Dunn is hiding behind the Professional Standards committee, which in turn hides behind Virginia Noonan and Jacinta Stopforth who have to front up and listen to the victims. Bp. Dunn and the committee are “faceless”, leaving Noonan and Stopforth to take the heat.
      
      Dunn will know what went on, he will have learnt it from Denis Browne, his predecessor, and the chancery files. Browne went to St Peters secondary with my father who in his last year’s described Browne as persistently and faithfully untrustworthy. Browne, Dunn, Cullinane, Williams, Campbell and the horrific Dew are spineless coverers of a major amount of nastiness, which the ex Papal Nuncio Patrick Coverny tried to sort back in 2000. He got rail roaded. All of the above Bishops should hang their heads in shame. A couple belong in stocks.
      
      The newer Bishops Martin and Doolan have been given hospital passes. The successor to Dunn will be praying that Dunn is a shredder.
      
      A note to any cops reading this. Do what the Feds are doing in the USA and demand the chancery files all over NZ dioceses. It’ll be a riveting read.
      
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      June 2, 2019 9:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Is that why Dew was promoted to cardinal? Excellence in criminal conspiracy?
        
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        June 3, 2019 7:08am
greybeard

Brian and Hannah Tamaki must be the most repulsive, cynical, grasping, manipulating and disgusting people in NZ.
Is there no limit to what they will do to obtain public / donated / ratepayer / taxpayer money to promote their tax-free so-called ‘religious / charitable’ enterprises.
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June 2, 2019 5:49pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  See nasska’s comment above. They are grasping, greedy individuals, but I have yet to see any evidence their sect has encouraged, promoted and protected the perpetrators of systematic sexual abuse of children.
  
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  June 2, 2019 7:03pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Unlike labour’s youth camp eh mikey.
    
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    June 2, 2019 7:19pm
    - Alien
      
      I’d say by the way labour covered up Darren raping a teenager then you could just say labour nz
      
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      June 2, 2019 8:09pm
Happychappy

Bryce Edward’s looks like he might be doing the dirty work for others with his column on John Key.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12236675
Then left are not happy unless they can destroy someone they don’t like.
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June 2, 2019 6:21pm
- Alien
  
  How dare John key not resign for something that happened before he joined the bank. I see westpac had the same issues.
  
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  June 2, 2019 7:07pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I have it on good authority that Sir John Key walked past a Westpac a couple of times so he is clearly responsible for ……………….. fuck it, everything.
    
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    June 2, 2019 7:22pm
Fisiani

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018697615/media-reports-toxic-side-effects

Nocebo is powerful. Very powerful.
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June 2, 2019 6:47pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Media toxic” is more accurate.
  
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  June 2, 2019 7:18pm
- Fisiani
  
  1 snowflake Nocebo victim downticks.
  
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  June 2, 2019 7:29pm
Brian McDonald

When Joseph Parker lost to Anthony Joshua he said after the fight he said he should have pushed it harder in the earlier rounds. That’s what Ruiz did with Joshua today, finding a frequent home with an overhand right to eventually dismantle the unbeaten champion, having first got off the deck after a heavy Joshua right. The shape of heavyweight division changes again. Ruiz lost to Parker in what some considered a ‘home town’ decision, they may well meet again.
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June 2, 2019 7:30pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA & RUSSIA …

Beijing warns US farmers may lose China market for good, but plays down tariffs impact at home … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3012779/beijing-warns-us-farmers-may-lose-china-market-good-plays

• Top agriculture official says Chinese farmers can export products to non-US markets to weather impact of trade war

• Country will also be able to source enough soybeans to meet domestic demand, according to Han Jun
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… Wall Street Journal report from September last year …

Struggling U.S. Farmers Worry About a Resurgent Russia – WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grain-is-our-oil-russia-is-besting-the-u-s-as-a-wheat-powerhouse-1537719747

Russian wheat exports are booming despite a crushing price slump, as the country’s farmers finally emerge from decades of neglect

OTRADNAYA, Russia—Vladimir Mishurov transformed the remnants of the “Lenin’s Path” collective farm in this village into a profitable business. He also helped make Russia the world’s largest wheat exporter for the first time since the last years of the czars.

Over the past decade or so, Mr. Mishurov replaced his aging Russian equipment with a dozen high-tech machines from John Deere and other makers, and started using powerful new fertilizers and seeds. He bought and rented more acres from neighbors and family, eventually reaching about 3,600, taking advantage of Russia’s overall low prices for land. … read more via hyperlink above …
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