General Debate 29 June 2019

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In the aftermath of the first Democratic primary debates I’m feeling fairly pleased with the accuracy of my predictions on the contest. So far they’re mostly holding up.

Biden’s history causing him trouble, check. He’s far from out of the running yet, but right now his campaign is clearly on the backfoot.

Sanders not doing well, check. He’s a one-trick pony – his response to almost every debate question was to avoid answering by reverting to some variation of his cliched “we have to take on the 1% / Wall Street / big pharma” theme. He’s not saying anything that will expand his support beyond his radical socialist (or rather anti-capitalist) base.

Mentioning Harris, O’Rourke, and Buttigieg as candidates to watch, I’ll claim two out of three. O’Rourke’s campaign is struggling and he was underwhelming in the debate. But both Harris and Buttigieg put in strong performances.

So, 4 out of 5. Not bad.

The only additional prediction I’ll add following the first debate is to be explicit that I don’t think Elizabeth Warren has much of a chance. She “won” the Wednesday night debate mainly because it was a weaker field. If she has to share the stage with Harris, Buttigieg, or even Biden I don’t think she’ll do nearly as well.
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June 29, 2019 8:02am
- Fletch
  
  The whole thing was pretty much a dumpster fire. Trump would be better than any of those, especially with when asked who would give healthcare to illegal immigrants, they all put their hand up.
  
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  June 29, 2019 9:37am
peterwn

Stuff – ‘Hey Israel Folau – Go Fund it Yourself’.
OPINION: Husband-and-wife comedians and commentators Jeremy Elwood and Michele A’Court give their views.
‘comedians’ – that says it all.
Well then, why did $2.1M mysteriously appear from 20,000 donors in a couple of days – because there were principles at stake.
This has shaken Australia. Fairfax has been forced to fight a rearguard action via Stuff, SMH, etc.
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June 29, 2019 8:09am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Were they similarly critical of Trevor Mallard for asking for taxpayer funds for the legal defence of his wrong and intemperate “rape” comments?
  
  No? Quelle surprise…
  
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  June 29, 2019 8:14am
  - peterwn
    
    ???????????? Did you imply I was critical of Israel Folau? No way! I was critical of the clowns that wrote that opinion piece.
    I do not know enough to comment specifically on Trevor’s case. But if a Minister is sued for something arising out of normal Ministerial duties then he or she would reasonably expect the Crown to meet defence costs. Similarly with an employee being sued for something arising out of his or her normal duties (although the employer is normally the easier target and has deeper pocket). Trevor may have been trying to push the envelope here.
    
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    June 29, 2019 8:38am
    - peterwn
      
      Oops I did not read Tony’s comment properly. My apologies.
      
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      June 29, 2019 9:20am
      - wreck1080
        
        Doh….thumps head with hand!
        
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        June 29, 2019 10:58am
  - igm
    
    Peter: Cannot await the day Fairfax have to fight a rearguard action in NZ regarding their stand on anthropogenic climate change and their continuous support of Islam . . . they are going to be badly burned on these issues also.
    
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    June 29, 2019 10:17am
- Scott
  
  They’re starting to ask Israel Folau to be reasonable for the sake of the rugby union.
  
  I say stick it to them. I’m tired of everything being overturned for the sake of the 1.1%. I’m tired of Christians being vilified by woke radicals.
  
  And I’m particularly tired of the politically correct clamping down on freedom of speech. Let the ARU suffer some consequences for their persecution of Israel Folau and maybe they’ll learn that “inclusiveness” applies even to those you disagree with.
  
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  June 29, 2019 8:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    I am definitely not a christian and am proud to declare that I am “hell” bound for all my “sins”, I just hope that some of the nasty lefty twerps aren’t there as well.
    
    I for one would love to see Australians boycott Qantas wherever possible to teach the ceo to keep his nose out of sport.
    
    We recently elected to use Virgin rather than Qantas at a slightly higher cost as a response to his position on Folau. We have also cancelled our Qantas credit card.
    
    If I was an ANZ customer I would be sending them my comments regarding their stance on Maria Folau.
    
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    June 29, 2019 10:01am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Of course there’ll be lefties there Tall Man; that’s why they call it “Hell”!!!
      
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      June 29, 2019 2:23pm
    - coolas
      
      Tall Man … ‘If I was an ANZ customer’ … assumes you are not. So how come you’ve cancelled your ‘Qantas credit card’ which I thought was an ANZ feature. Just asking. Not suggesting for a moment you’re a boastful phoney.
      
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      June 29, 2019 5:23pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott, with your church, is hellfire and damnation and stoning of adulters and homos etc in the catechism?
    
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    June 29, 2019 10:31am
    - Scott
      
      Stephieboy – thanks for your comments. We haven’t stoned any adulterers for a while?? But I’ll talk to the elders and see what we can do ?
      
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      June 29, 2019 1:41pm
  - Wayne
    
    20000 of 23 million is 0.08% so much less than 1.1%.
    
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    June 29, 2019 10:40am
  - wreck1080
    
    Go over to Geekzone….
    https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=176&topicid=251407
    
    There are some truly leftist nutters over there.
    
    The just don’t understand free speech or freedom of religion.
    
    I find it so funny, how the people calling others bigots, are bigots themselves.
    
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    June 29, 2019 11:00am
    - Fletch
      
      I got banned from Geekzone at one stage for bringing my views.
      
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      June 29, 2019 3:13pm
      - wreck1080
        
        Badge of honor , in my view.
        
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        June 29, 2019 6:08pm
  - sooty
    
    Stick it to Alan Jones the LGBT CEO of Qantas, the major sponser of AUS rugby!
    If he had started squealing like a queer, this would not have been such a big deal!
    
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    June 29, 2019 11:45am
    - herb1
      
      ALAN Jones is a radio announcer not the CEO of Quantas
      
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      June 29, 2019 2:03pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  God will not be mocked. Israel Folau gave an honest expression of the Word and the shaft has hit its target.
  
  Is unrighteousness ever rewarded?
  
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  June 29, 2019 9:00am
- MrTips
  
  It’s not just Fairfax. They merged with Nine (who have Stuff up for sale) so it actually goes a lot further into the media than first thought.
  
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  June 29, 2019 9:08am
- Chris2
  
  After the last election and before Winston Peters decided which party to form a Government with, it was this same self-opinionated Jeremy Elwood that declared people who had not voted Labour ought to be raped with barbed wire.
  
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  June 29, 2019 9:11am
  - peterwn
    
    In WW2 the Japs would have quickly hired him to be a Burma Railway construction supervisor.
    
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    June 29, 2019 2:50pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  It seems that those two lunatics et al are not only against people exercising their right to free speech, but they also oppose voluntary contributions to a private and non-compulsory fundraising cause. Of course, their motivation is that they loathe the fact that the Twazi’s efforts have come to nothing, and Folau has massive public support.
  
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  June 29, 2019 9:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    They are also media whores like ardern and can’t stand to not be in the “limelight”.
    
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    June 29, 2019 10:04am
- The Feed
  
  I don’t agree with Israel Folau’s views, nor those of many religious people, however I will forever defend their right to freedom of expression.
  
  That’s what this is really about and the fact the media and the woke left do not understand this shows who really doesn’t value diversity.
  
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  June 29, 2019 10:04am
- John Warren
  
  This would be the same Jeremy Elwood who wanted non-Jacinda voters to be fucked with barbed-wire dildos? Yet he doesn’t approve of Israel Folau suggesting homosexuals will burn in Hell?
  
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  June 29, 2019 11:22am
- MrTips
  
  Elwood and A’Court really shouldn’t take their frustrations about their “comedy” careers being in the toilet out in public so often.
  
  Roger Moore is funnier than them and he hasn’t told a joke in years.
  
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  June 29, 2019 1:17pm
Nukuleka

First 3 items on RNZ news at 8.00 am.

President Trump joked with Putin about Russian meddling in elections. ie Bad President Trump

People in Waikato don’t think multiculturalism is a good thing. ie Bad Waikato residents

Indigenous Studies Conference in Hamilton to discuss removal of children by the state. ie Bad Oranga Tamariki

No doubt the taxpayer-funded advocacy ‘news’ bulletin continued in similar vein but I’d switched off by then.

Why are we funding a biased left-wing media outlet like RNZ and why don’t we have sensible political leaders calling then out on their relentless activist bias.
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June 29, 2019 8:13am
- srylands
  
  I have no idea why it exists. It just keeps getting worse. The last government could have killed it. A related question is why does new Zealand on Air still exist? Look through the list of stuff it funds. It is dire.
  
  With current technology, radio can be via subscription and podcast. If RNZ advocates want to listen to it they can pay for it.
  
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  June 29, 2019 9:25am
  - sooty
    
    You want all 93 people that listern to RNZ pay for it! Get of the grass, they are lefties. Free they say, free, just like in 1923.
    
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    June 29, 2019 11:49am
  - mandk
    
    I would be interested to hear what the arguments for taxpayer-funded public broadcasting actually are.
    
    Anyone?
    
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    June 29, 2019 3:13pm
- Rich Prick
  
  They also ran a story about Immigration NZ and how it might be profiling (read racially profiling) applicants from countries with track records for overstaying or dishonesty.
  
  To me, it was about INZ doing it’s fucking job. But no, apparently I was supposed to feel bad about what is happening.
  
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  June 29, 2019 9:59am
- stephieboy
  
  And Wairoa Gorge Mountain bike park gifted to the nation,
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/393185/wairoa-gorge-mountain-bike-park-gifted-to-new-zealand-public
  
  Ho hum what else?
  
  “People in Waikato don’t think multiculturalism is a good thing. ie Bad Waikato residents”
  
  Which Waikato Residents or is this an” I wish?”
  
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  June 29, 2019 10:26am
Happychappy

Is the Wellington Justin Lester just like every other Major in NZ or has being one of the Largest Cities in NZ followed them to become arrogant and allowed to make decisions like this without going to Council.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/113838261/wellington-mayor-justin-lesters-china-junket-wasnt-approved-by-council
Between Goff and Lester this is becoming a habit that ratepayers need to stop.
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June 29, 2019 8:14am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Dictatorship is the answer to this climate emergency ‘democracy’ just aint cutting it!
  
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  June 29, 2019 8:22am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Most councils seem to have a sister city racket going.
  
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  June 29, 2019 8:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    This wasn’t “sister city” shit, just pure troughing from a left wing mayor that would never be able to afford such trips on his own money.
    
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    June 29, 2019 9:50am
- peterwn
  
  I thought there was supposed to be a climate emergency.
  
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  June 29, 2019 8:45am
  - Tall Man
    
    They were off to China for emergency supplies……
    
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    June 29, 2019 9:50am
- Ruawai
  
  And both Goff and Lester want to ban fireworks, so they obviously weren’t looking at fireworks in China.
  
  They are the fun police and must be following an agenda as they all do the same thing, eg climate emergencies, fireworks ban, living wage…
  
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  June 29, 2019 9:15am
Humble Capitalist

I got an email business proposal from some guy called Phil yesterday. He isnt from Nigeria so it must be legit. All I have to do us knock up a new house every 20 seconds over the weekend and were in the money! He told me Ive got the easy part of knocking them up and he will sell them all next week!
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June 29, 2019 8:16am
Humble Capitalist

Friends of mine have hit Europe for four weeks. I pleaded with them yesterday to stay over there as our local council have declared a climate change emergency here. Ive stocked up on essentials such as curry powder, chillies and water. Ive been listening to radio for civil defence updates but so far nothing. Things have got so bad that Mrs Humble has just called me an ars*hole for not rushing back to the shop to get the ingredients for her pav. Too many emmissions Ive told her and her pav might be the tipping point!
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June 29, 2019 8:21am
Scott

The main thing I notice about the Democrats is their radicalism. They are deeply committed to overturning everything and out of the rubble building something shiny and new.

Many of them are campaigning on a platform of socialism and open borders. Bernie Sanders is a socialist and is proud of it. He was a radical but now his ideas are mainstream among the candidates.

They want to scrap private health care and have government health care. That’s not radical in NZ but in America it will cost an ocean of money, to the tune of $6 trillion! They want to take away guns which is very radical in the USA which has the right to bear arms embedded in their constitution.

And they are globalists who want an open border and anyone who sneaks across the border should get taxpayer funded heath care. So American taxpayers will pay for the health needs of any foreigner who sneaks into the country!

I quite like the look of Kamala Harris but then I remember how she treated Justce Brett Kavanaugh and branded him as a sex offender when he was an upstanding teenager and I find myself praying for four more years of Pres Trump. ?
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June 29, 2019 8:22am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Kamala Harris probably doesn’t even like beer!
  
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  June 29, 2019 10:15am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Modern left exists in an echo chamber of dogmatic religious purity that prevents them from appreciating how out of touch they are with the general public – Eg Corbyn the least popular labour leader in history of polling still unable to be rolled due to staunch support from hard left of labour..
  
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  June 29, 2019 10:53am
Paulus

Great to see Megan Wood has now risen to the great heights of leading the Team in solving the Kiwibuild crises.
She will do well like she has done in solving the Christchurch Earthquake 2600 out standing claims when she took responsibility.
She has appointed a judge to be an Arbitrator now.
So
QED
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June 29, 2019 9:09am
- marcw
  
  Thank you for her endorsement – this can be added to her success in building the 4.5 windfarms per annum that she has promised, and will compensate for having no gas in 7 – 8 years. That’s windfarms by the way, not windmills singular.
  
  Such an over achiever compared to Twford eh.
  
  (Sorry, I hit report first by mistake Paulus).
  
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  June 29, 2019 9:58am
- igm
  
  Does she not have more pressing and important things to worry about or has there been another whitewash?
  
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  June 29, 2019 10:22am
- Piniwi
  
  Sadly Paulus that too looks like being based on a lie. It is claimed ” She’s written a PHD thesis on New Zealand urbanisation and housing between 1942 and 1969.” The real title is more definitive.
  “Integrating the nation: Gendering Maori urbanisation and integration, 1942-1969”, by Megan C Woods, “This thesis examines the mid-twentieth century attempts to create integrated and therefore ‘ideal’ Maori citizens”???.
  An excerpt:
  “In specially tailored beauty advice for Maori women, the beauty expert advised the use of the “yellow based colours” for lipsticks and rouges, as blue based lipsticks turned “very purple on Maoris” . The effect of these blue-based colours, according to Wislang, resembled the “effect of the ancient pukepoto”, and could be avoided through using rich reds such as Innoxa Poppy or Flamboyant or Three Flowers’ Carmen Crimson and American Beauty.”
  Raising the obvious question “is she the best choice to put new lipstick on the Kiwibuild pig of a policy?” Or a convenient way to re-gig this failed policy also why the new Minister needs 3 weeks to come up to speed. Lol
  
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  June 29, 2019 2:35pm
srylands

I see that local government in Queenstown has declared a climate emergency. This is a city that exists because rich people fly there in planes powered by Jet A1 kerosene.

The stupidity hurts my head.
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June 29, 2019 9:28am
- Rich Prick
  
  It’s weird, Queenstown is having a climate emergency, but the Council next door in Central Otago isn’t. What happened to the “global” in global warming?
  
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  June 29, 2019 10:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    Better wine in Central maybe 😉
    
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    June 29, 2019 10:21am
  - sooty
    
    But, but they are next to the ocean!
    The tide will have to rise a bit to be lapping at their door!
    
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    June 29, 2019 11:53am
- wreck1080
  
  The mayor of Queenstown will now head to china and give Xi Jinping a good scolding? Stupid people!
  
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  June 29, 2019 10:31am
- srylands
  
  Golriz Ghahraman has expressed outrage about it. It seems perfectly normal to me. I remember talking to a guy from Syria a couple of years ago. He said he always gets picked out for airport searches. He seemed pretty cheerful about it.
  
  If your fellow Syrians, Irish, Samoans or whatever have a disproportionate tendency to commit immigration offences, well you will just need to suck it up.
  
  I am fairly sure that Golriz Ghahraman would be OK with immigration authorities prioritising gaunt white males with swastika tattoos. I’m ok with that too.
  
  EDIT My comment is in the wrong thread. It is about RNZ being outraged about Immigration running risk profiling.
  
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  June 29, 2019 11:35am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed srylands – and what about all the people who arrive in Queenstown is emissions-spewing cars, buses and camper vans.
  
  If you live by the tourist dollar, you also must be prepared to die by the tourist dollar.
  
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  June 29, 2019 1:44pm
lastmanstanding

At Election 2020 I suggest ACT campaign on the fact that Governments only get to spend(waste) the money they collect from taxpayers.

IMHO most taxpayers dont actually get the connect.
Thats why they bang on the the Gumints got to do something about (fill in the gap)

ACT need to hit hard the message that its YOUR money they spend (waste) and asked the question

Would you rather have the money in YOUR pocket to spend on stuff or have the Gumint spend{waste) it for you.

Governments get far to easy a ride on this issue. They are only held to account by we on KB. The media doesnt hold them to account and the Opposition )whoever it is at the time) knows that one day they will the Government and in the same collect waste position.

Time the blow torch was shoved down their collective Y fronts and their feet held to the fire and all at the same time.

ACT should act and tell the citizens the facts of life.
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June 29, 2019 9:45am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s charming that you think Kiwibloggers hold the government to account.
  
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  June 29, 2019 10:16am
- stephieboy
  
  “ACT should act and tell the citizens the facts of life.”
  
  They’ve been trying that since their foundation. The voting public ( as their meagre results of late show) reject their libertarian extremism.
  
  But there is nothing stopping you mucking in and in a gesture of futility trying to arrest that slide into electoral irrelevance.
  
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  June 29, 2019 10:19am
- Bill felt
  
  Less tax
  Less Govt
  More personal choice!
  
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  June 29, 2019 12:00pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  lastmanstanding
  Not only is most Government ‘income’ coercively extracted from taxpayers, the cherry on the top is that instead of raising taxes and scaring the horses when they need yet more, they can just pay for their election bribes with the credit card, in the name of the unborn and the current crop of children.
  
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  June 29, 2019 12:38pm
- srylands
  
  I fully expect labour to go to the 2020 election with a policy to increase the top marginal tax rate to 39 percent. Alternatively they might run with a “temporary” surcharge on high income earners. Rationale would be the cost of the gun buy back and reversing nine years of neglect.
  
  The gun buyback is a shocking waste of money when compared to dozens of other interventions that the government could take to reduce avoidable death and harm. It could end up costing a billion dollars for unknown but certainly vanishingly small benefits. If someone is maniacal enough to want to kill 50 people they will find away.
  
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  June 29, 2019 12:39pm
Rocky Jnr

AOC and Cindy must have gone to the Justin Trudeau School of Drama. Caution…watching this clip may induce nausea!!

https://youtu.be/z70MO8I9rJ4
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June 29, 2019 10:06am
artemisia

For the record, a public spirited person has requested information about numbers and costs of Kiwibuild contractors. This information cannot be provided, it seems, until October 2019. (Not sure how the unit tracks costs, then. Maybe they don’t have to.)

Instead HUD information has been provided.

fyi.org.nz/request/10458-contractor-spend?nocache=incoming-35812#incoming-35812
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June 29, 2019 10:11am
marcw

Sad news folks. You won’t hear it or read it in NZ MSM, but at 0600 NZ time the Utah police have announced that the 23 year old Mackenzie Luceh who disappeared early on 17 June after arriving at Salt Lake City airport, has been murdered. Her dismembered and burnt remains have been discovered buried in the grounds of a house belonging to the man who has been arrested and charged with her murder, kidnapping, and the obstruction of justice. DNA tests on recovered tissue have confirmed their worst fears – a horror story to be further revealed.

Her phone was switched off at 0300 (their time) just after she was dropped off by the Lyft driver, to meet this another man apparently. The Lyft driver was not involved in any way in her abduction.

Brilliant and rapid Police detection has resulted in the quick arrest of the alleged perpetrator. One sad factor is that it appears the person who allegedly abducted and murdered her, she was meeting after arranging the date on social media, not having met him at all previously. At 0300!!!
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June 29, 2019 10:19am
- marcw
  
  Sorry I spelled her name slightly wrong – it is MacKenzie Lueck.
  
  https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/06/28/salt-lake-city-police/
  
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  June 29, 2019 10:46am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Bloody mormons.
  
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  June 29, 2019 2:26pm
Paulus Gnome

To the bearded millenial in the white bmw station wagon, LBB***, driving across the Newton flyover northwards at 3.47 Friday afternoon in building Auckland commute traffic, I applaud you sir!

Singlehandedly you have dispersed the myth that men cannot multi task by driving hands free and being a complete bell end fuckwit at the same time!

Two hands off the wheel, texting and doing 80k; that Sir, is a new level of bollock brain fucktardness that undoubtedly will be exceeded at some time, but at this moment, you have the honour of being the First Bellend of Auckland. A task achieved with great difficulty considering the leadership in Auckland Council.

I sincerely hope you appreciate your feat when the old bill turn up with you participation certificate.

From one commuter to another, you are a fucking disgrace.
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June 29, 2019 10:23am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  12.23 and still in moderation. Too many fucks or is that your bmw?
  
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  June 29, 2019 12:25pm
  - Batman
    
    Sorry, we’ve all been out of comms it seems
    
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    June 29, 2019 12:28pm
wreck1080

“Paris: France has hit its highest recorded temperature ever – 45.9 degrees – amid a heatwave in Europe that has claimed several lives.
Before this year, the previous record was 44.1 degrees during a heatwave in 2003 that killed thousands.”

Record temps keep breaking…. AGW deniers will claim the data is fudged. Tell that to the thousands who died.
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June 29, 2019 10:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Where’s the proof there’s any relationship between bad weather and AGW?
  Please tell also where are the sunspots? Maybe the earth has other concerns than mere humans.
  
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  June 29, 2019 12:54pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  And the USA had some of the coldest temperatures recorded during their recent winter. Neither record proves anything. However, NASA has recently released this: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/solar-activity-forecast-for-next-decade-favorable-for-exploration
  Now some clever people have looked at solar minimums and weather and have realised that it will get cold…. But you are entitled to believe failed politicians and Hollywood stars and school kids who know better. I know who I will believe.
  
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  June 29, 2019 12:58pm
- BrownSnake
  
  Hadn’t you best go plant some trees.
  
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  June 29, 2019 1:23pm
- Billy Collins
  
  One off events don’t confirm anything.
  
  I’m not a denier but if you want to promote AGW, this is rubbish reasoning. It’s the same reasoning that drove many to fear global cooling in the 70s and 80s. A lot of record cold days occurred then. What makes you think this one day in France means anything more than record cold days in the 80s in numerous places across the world?
  
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  June 29, 2019 2:11pm
  - wreck1080
    
    There are a string of climate records being broken.
    
    The cold weather events can also be explained by shifting global weather patterns…. ie, artic cold is being knocked south by the unusually warm weather in other places.
    
    Look at the average global temperature.
    
    It seems, 1977 was the turning point.
    
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    June 29, 2019 6:11pm
    - Billy Collins
      
      I wasn’t arguing that global cooling was happening. I’m arguing against your reasoning. Its rubbish, just like those who saw the cold temps in the past to be evidence of global cooling.
      
      You just proposed an alternate explanation for the cooling, so why are you so sure there isn’t some alternative for the warming?
      
      There is cognitive dissonance there.
      
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      June 29, 2019 8:07pm
BrownSnake

Could you get back on track and talk about the Topics BIG BROTHER wants you to talk about
and discuss.
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June 29, 2019 10:41am
Swifty

My 16 year old daughter had two days in Wellington this week as part of a school economics trip.

They got through a bit of stuff – sessions at MFAT, Reserve Bank, Treasury, Victoria and Parliament – as well as the Gallipoli Exhibition and the cable car.

At one session she sat in a room with about 100 kids from various schools listening to a presentation from Grant Robertson.

I hope you’re bloody proud of yourself Grant – telling schoolkids that National ‘didn’t care’, you’re ‘tidying up after all their neglect’ etc etc – and all of this without mentioning the GFC, CHC rebuild, and notwithstanding that substantial increases in health, education and welfare spending during their terms.

What a scumbag and beneath the dignity of the office he now holds.

It was all recorded I am told – when I get my hands on the footage I’ll post it here for everyone to see what our Finance Minister gets up to when addressing our kids.
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June 29, 2019 10:44am
- John Warren
  
  I’d be making a formal complaint to the school. I did so recently under similar circumstances, at my 15 year old son’s school. Surprisingly, I was rewarded with a back down and apology from them.
  
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  June 29, 2019 2:28pm
- Grey Skills
  
  Yes, lets see the text asap. What an embarrassment Grant Robertson is to both sides of reasoned discussion. To preach this to out kids shows that the main “poverty” out there is in his mind.
  
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  June 29, 2019 3:53pm
Maggie Pie

Tuned into 1ZB a bit earlier to get Nikki Weeks recipe [chicken with lentils so will pass on that one]. Nikki has a 3 minute slot every Saturday with Jackie Tame.
Next thing, Jackie’s interviewng so called LBQTI ‘gay icon’ Troy Sivan – and talks to him about his tour of the country for nearly 40 minutes!
Then Jackie the has temerity to say… “how much his SISTER is looking forward to the show” LOL!! If i was his sis, I’d be more interested in recipes.
Just saying 🙂
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June 29, 2019 11:08am
- BrownSnake
  
  Look I find Pumpkin Soup makes one toot.
  
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  June 29, 2019 1:25pm
John Warren

My present work site takes me past the new Karamu subdivision near Avonhead in Christchurch. Haven’t stopped to count, but there are dozens of houses springing up quite effectively in there, all without a single iota of help from Phil Twyford.
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June 29, 2019 11:14am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  They are being built because Twyford-Woods has bought them all at a guaranteed price.
  
  The question on Monday is; who is going to buy these houses?
  
  That is because Kiwibalk does not build anything! And, the houses they ‘end up with’, they are incapable of selling as ‘affordable’ to those on the living wage which is fast becoming the defacto minimum wage.
  
  The answer to your unasked question is, a future housing NZ slum.
  
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  June 29, 2019 12:50pm
- MrTips
  
  To be fair John that subdivision was only possible thanks to National overturning an Act of Parliament for Ngai Tahu. A stupid move imo. Next in there is Ryman who have an application for CCC consent for a rest home. I wonder if they know that the Racecourse staff filled some of that area with hardfill, concrete rubbish and other stuff.
  
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  June 29, 2019 1:26pm
  - John Warren
    
    Maybe I used a bad example, MrTips, but it was really meant to be a comment on the fact that houses appear to be capable of popping up in considerable numbers without Phil Twyford’s assistance – making one wonder at the sheer extent of the incompetence behind Kiwibuild.
    
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    June 29, 2019 2:36pm
    - sooty
      
      Maybe because of Phill Twyford.
      You know the reverse midas touch!
      Everyone else would not touch one with a barge pole!
      
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      June 29, 2019 4:11pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  There’s huge housing growth all around the outskirts of Christchurch. The only homes that seem not to be selling though are the ones Mike Greer Homes couldn’t sell, so they got Phil Twyford to buy – with OUR money.
  
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  June 29, 2019 1:48pm
- Ross12
  
  There is a post on W/o about an interview on RNZ with a housing construction company CEO / owner.
  He is reported as saying while Kiwibuild has built 88 house, the private construction industry has built 45,000.
  
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  June 29, 2019 5:23pm
KevO'Brien

Winston has had another brain ejection: money for Kiribati for climate change. Hasn’t he been there?
Once Tarawa in Kiribati had 10,000 people, now its over 50,000 and they wonder why they are sinking as they compress their tiny oral atoll. To add to their strife the atoll is max 2-3m above sea level so high tides frequently dump salty waters on hoped for food crops.

Who needs climate change with Winston available?
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June 29, 2019 11:36am
Wired-one

Anyone else watch Arderns pitiful performance on The Nation this morning. What a bloody disgrace to anyone with at least half a brain. Her sycophantic idiotic supporters will settle for those pathetic answers though I’m sure. Wake up NZ.
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June 29, 2019 11:55am
- BrownSnake
  
  I have a 3 page pdf that will change the world it will.
  
  Delivering it in France at that time had nothing whatsoever to do with her staying out of a Labour Party Election Campaign in Aus.
  
  Thinking like that would be cynical.
  
  She has yours and everyones best interests as heart – she really does.
  
  She Cares – They Care
  
  Now swallow your Wellness program
  
  We Love you Jacinda
  
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  June 29, 2019 3:20pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Jenee Tibshraeny of Interest Co NZ explains Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s sensible decision to spread responsibilities on urban land use issues …

With Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford set to continue leading key housing-related law changes, Jenée Tibshraeny argues he shouldn’t be written off as an architect of the Government’s broader housing policy … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/100460/urban-development-minister-phil-twyford-set-continue-leading-key-housing-related-law

By Jenée Tibshraeny

Phil Twyford may have lost his Housing portfolio, but as Urban Development Minister he is by no means out of the housing fold. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Following the release 21 January of the 2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey , The Guardian, The New York Times and The Listener ‘caned’ the poorly conceived Kiwibuild programme ( refer February Update and 2019 Sections http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) …

… when I made it clear to Mike Yardley of NewstalkZB that at the very least it needed a major revamp …

Government needs to act quickly to fix housing market … Hugh Pavletich discusses with Mike Yardley … NewsTalkZB

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/hugh-pavletich-kiwibuild-needs-a-revamp-to-fix-the-housing-market/
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… Late March ( now Urban Development Minister ) Phil Twyford explained clearly the direction of the Labour – led Government on urban development issues …

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

… extract …

… In our view there are three big challenges that have to be addressed:

1. A broken system for financing infrastructure

2. A planning system based on urban containment

3. The failure of governments until now, both local and central, to actively work with the private sector to enable urban growth and expansion.

… concluding …

… I talked about the land banking and speculative economy, and the pressure cooker that has given us some of the most obscenely expensive housing in the world.

These moves are designed to change that. …

… If we do these things we can truly flood the market with development opportunities. We can break the land banking economy, and drive down the cost of urban land.

We can achieve more competitive urban land markets. And industry that is more focused on development and building places of enduring value instead of land banking and speculation.

That is the pathway to more affordable housing, and a systemic fix of the crisis that has caused so much hardship, and sucked so much of our national wealth into residential property instead of the productive economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… A revamped and significantly reduced KiwiBuild cannot work without affordable land and properly debt financed infrastructure … so that it can provide affordable rented and owned new stock that the market is unable to reach in price terms for the poor and disadvantaged.

… Megan Woods KiwiBuild success will depend on Phil Twyfords success in getting well understood structural solutions in place.
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June 29, 2019 12:03pm
- toby1845
  
  Reported as spam.
  
  Mods: Please can you use KB’s rules about spam against Hugh P? No-one is interested in his rubbish.
  
  [Mod: toby, DPF allows a certain amount of latitude in the General Debate thread. Hugh does push the envelope on occasions.]
  
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  June 29, 2019 1:30pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … New Zealand housing speculators ‘flee for the hills’ …
    
    First-home buyers bigger part of housing market than investors for first time since records began … Susan Edmunds … Stuff New Zealand
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113849539/firsthome-buyers-bigger-part-of-housing-market-than-investors-for-first-time-since-records-began?cid=app-iPad
    
    First-home buyers borrowed more money in May than investors – the first time they have been ahead since records began.
    
    There was a total of $6.47 billion borrowed from banks in May to buy houses, a decrease of $120 million at the same time last year.
    
    Investors borrowed $1.14b and first-home buyers $1.15b.
    
    The Reserve Bank started its data series in 2014 and this is the first time that first-home buyers have borrowed more than mortgaged investors.
    
    In August 2014, first-home buyers borrowed just $392m, compared to $2.4b for investors. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    … Housing speculators are acutely aware that the days of grossly irresponsible housing inflation ( central and local government – led poverty creation programmes ) are over … as illustrated within this recent Interest Co NZ article …
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/99106/miserable-end-summer-housing-market-especially-auckland-where-march-sales-volumes
    
    … extract …
    
    … However the trend of falling sales is not a new one.
    
    The number of national sales in March has fallen compared to the previous March every year since 2017 and has now dropped by 27% since 2016.
    
    The all time peak for March, since interest.co.nz began collating the figures in 1992, was in 2004 when 11,292 properties were sold, compared with 6938 in March this year. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    … The ‘flight to affordability’ is well and truly underway … check the latest REINZ Residential Report https://reinz.co.nz/residential-property-data-gallery and Performance Urban Planning http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
    
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    June 29, 2019 3:13pm
    - sooty
      
      Send it to woody you fool!
      
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      June 29, 2019 4:06pm
    - BrownSnake
      
      What I want to know is there actually anyone
      in Auckland who is not a ….
      
      Property Developer/Investor
      
      Property Expert
      
      or A Tedious boring old f a r t who talks nothing
      but property 24/7 or worse
      
      Politics
      
      or worse than that the
      
      Local Body Politics
      
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      June 29, 2019 7:19pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        As a Tory myself, I am extremely impressed in how Labour Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has managed this change … in spreading the responsibilities.
        
        It certainly makes a pleasant change from the 9 embarrassing and wasted years of the last National – led government … some of which is covered within this section at Performance Urban Planning …
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/National%20News.html
        
        Is National leaning anything on the Opposition benches ?
        
        If the National Party can’t do housing properly, it should seriously consider shutting down.
        
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        June 29, 2019 8:45pm
Happychappy

It looks like the Labour lead Coalition has changed their mind about new drugs for cancer and the Prime Minister has stooped to low levels to advise there could be something in David Clark’s announcement next week.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12244732
A letter to Twelve year old Lilly Vinning from Prime Minister who promised before the election to do some thing to help people like her father who was suffering from cancer.
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June 29, 2019 12:33pm
Happychappy

Ha ha Hugh all you do is keep re pasting data you have had for a couple months and the same player keep ignoring it. You have for the last three years been preaching this plan and the same people keep ignoring it, so believing is not seeing and how many more years is it going to take to have it implemented or will you be making Jacinda your next victim after slurs you have made about John Key.
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June 29, 2019 12:48pm
timmydevo

My colleagues think they’re indispensable.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12244154 (paywall… couldn’t read it, but could make a decent prediction…)
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June 29, 2019 2:11pm
BrownSnake

Can you get the Herald on Bog Roll?
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June 29, 2019 2:29pm
- John Warren
  
  They’d sell more copies if they made it dual-purpose like that.
  
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  June 29, 2019 2:41pm
Piniwi

A sign from above? Or reply to WCC climate emergency?
High winds have caused the Wellington City Council to postpone the Matariki Sky Show.
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June 29, 2019 2:39pm
- sooty
  
  Better hurry or the climate change high tide will flood them out as well!
  What about the smokefree welly, I hope they are not using gunpowder. You know the semi auto kind of gunpowder!
  
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  June 29, 2019 4:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  There is no wind in Wellington. What are they on about?
  
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  June 29, 2019 4:07pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    there is Methane from the Beehive
    
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    June 29, 2019 6:55pm
BrownSnake

The Question you should ask about Auckland real Estate is why in gods name would you want to live
and waste your life living
in a total c r a p hole for
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June 29, 2019 2:54pm
- Swifty
  
  Hic.
  
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  June 29, 2019 3:27pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I like Auckland. I look just like an Aucklander.
  
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  June 29, 2019 4:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, we saw you again the other night Sensei.
    My partner was saying it’s amazing at just how many Asian restaurants he sees you waiting tables.
    
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    June 29, 2019 4:48pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      We are everywhere Maggie, and we are legion… (Da-daaaa….)
      (Mu hahahahahahaa! …. (choke!) cough cough…)
      
      Anyhow, here’s a mid-winter distraction.
      (Food in Hokkaido)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j2TO_QSxUo
      
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      June 29, 2019 6:06pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        O.M.G. Sensei – that Yubari melon looked sooo delish!
        And my partner said he would give his right testicle for a piece of that ‘melt in yor mouth pork-belly’ at around the 7 min mark.
        You dont happen to have the recipe by any chance?
        
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        June 29, 2019 8:03pm
Bill felt

NewsHub running another poll:

“Do you think Jacinda Ardern should run for a second term?”

Evenly split at the moment yes/no!
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June 29, 2019 4:27pm
- BrownSnake
  
  Jacinda should go live in Saudi Arabia and tryout the new wife watching App
  
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  June 29, 2019 6:55pm
- Fletch
  
  At the moment – 84% say NO.
  
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  June 29, 2019 8:18pm
  - Brian Marshall
    
    As at 11:17, it was 95% saying no. ?
    
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    June 29, 2019 11:18pm
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/poll-do-you-think-jacinda-ardern-should-run-for-a-second-term.html
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June 29, 2019 6:05pm
- sooty
  
  Please Cindy run again!
  You are doing so well and you did such a good job of reshuffling your cabinet!
  If you do decide to leave and I don’t blame you,
  I would like Robbo to take your place as leader as I think he would do such a good job and especialy when he goes on overseas trips to 5he middle east and the UN, with Alfie in tow!
  
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  June 29, 2019 9:24pm
  - sooty
    
    Poll 94% piss off.
    8% run again.
    At 9.20pm.
    
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    June 29, 2019 9:26pm
greybeard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/113878333/sonny-bill-williams-rapt-with-club-rugby-hitout-now-awaits-all-blacks-naming

Marc Hinton is now spruiking for SBW.
SBW must be a bit worried that he will miss out.
As he should.
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June 29, 2019 6:12pm
- Brian Marshall
  
  He’s a good player, but there are much better players. The ridiculous commentary when he first started playing Union was so bad. Every time he touched the ball, it was like he was winning the game himself.
  
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  June 29, 2019 11:20pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/113878048/newsreader-amanda-gillies-opens-up-about-her-loves-and-losses

Nice looking lady.
Pity about her awful voice.
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