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mikenmildagain

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Happy United Nations Public Service Day!
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June 23, 2019 8:03am
- cmm
  
  United Nations Public Service Day?
  
  Oh, I get it, this is a long winded way of saying
  
  Happy Oxymoron Day!
  
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  June 23, 2019 8:43am
  - mark15
    
    If you take out some letters,you get ‘communist’!
    Try it!
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:14am
    - sooty
      
      I bet that came as a surprise to milky!
      
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      June 23, 2019 11:51am
- Tarquin North
  
  Why dont you just say Jacinda day?
  
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  June 23, 2019 8:44am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You’re a fan: when’s her birthday?
    
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    June 23, 2019 9:03am
    - sooty
      
      3 days time. 39yrs old.
      
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      June 23, 2019 11:52am
      - Tall Man
        
        with a mental age of 12.
        
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        June 23, 2019 5:54pm
Luke Piewalker

Heading back to my base in Asia this morning. Hopefully by the next time I visit NZ:

1. The COL will have imploded
2. National will have grown a pair
3. Climate emergencies will be seen as nothing more than Facebook likes (nothing)
4. NZ (activism) media has died
5. SLG Ardern goes back to her fish and chip shop
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June 23, 2019 8:19am
- softail 1450
  
  LUKE, you forgot” Winston caught telling the truth”
  LOL.
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:43am
  - lilman
    
    Hes only going back to his base,not heaven.
    Winston telling the truth will mean hes probably died.
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:07am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Winston has sold his soul and has decided to be a lap dog for Labour. So you wish list #1 ain’t happening. Even if #1 happens, #2 is a dud wish. National is a dead party.
  
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  June 23, 2019 10:45am
- Tall Man
  
  Just as a matter of interest, where abouts?
  
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  June 23, 2019 10:59am
  - Luke Piewalker
    
    @Tall Man. Based in Manila. Literally right in the middle of the US/China trade war
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:03pm
- barnacle bill
  
  Sounds like you are planning being away in Asia for quite some time Luke ?
  
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  June 23, 2019 11:02am
  - Luke Piewalker
    
    Yeah most likely. Being a GM at a company that could buy NZ is a great experience. Especially in Asia
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:05pm
- peterwn
  
  Re 5 – H1 will have helped her into a UN job and H2 will be her chief assistant.
  
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  June 23, 2019 12:21pm
Komata

An interesting and no doubt prescient concept: The organisation dedicated to ultimately controlling all and everything on the planet ‘For the good of mankind’ has a day dedicated to ‘Public Service’.

Says a lot really…
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June 23, 2019 8:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why do you hate international cooperation and people serving their fellow citizens?
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:08am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    ” international cooperation”
    HAHAHA
    more like
    international subjugation.
    
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    June 23, 2019 9:57am
  - Komata
    
    Mm@0908
    
    To quote No.6, ‘I am not a number, I am a free man’.
    
    HATRED of international corporations isn’t the issue, MY personal freedom is, and as for ‘serving my fellow citizens’? In this context it’s a specious argument, as you well know.
    
    I would not have picked you for a sheep BTW; the things we learn..
    
    Thank you.
    
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    June 23, 2019 10:47am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      But what is it about nations cooperating and people helping their fellow citizens international that you imagine threatens your personal freedom?
      
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      June 23, 2019 11:51am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        If that was what they are doing, I would agree with you.
        Instead they are manipulating laws and processes, in an attempt to form one international govt. that is pack driven and allows no individual thought and therefore freedom.
        Politicians decide what is best for us.
        The UN could have prevented ISIS but didn’t, they stood on the sidelines and criticized those that acted and solved the “caliphate” problem.
        
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        June 23, 2019 2:20pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        I looked up
        12 failings of the UN in 20th/21st century.
        They forgot
        Starvation that caused “live aid”
        Wars in Kosovo, Croatian etc and subsequent crimes committed.
        Massive exodus of refugees flooding Europe
        The “caravans through Mexico.
        etc etc etc
        
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        June 23, 2019 2:35pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “people serving their fellow citizens”
    
    You mean the way ardern and the rest of the coalition bludgers serve New Zealand?
    
    Is “serve” a new euphemism for “totally fuck” over? Is it “public servant” speak who laugh at the rest of us poor sods that work in real jobs to support those the “serve”…. the new definition.
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:02am
  - Alien
    
    Is that the same UN mike…. that tried to cover up the woman and child sex abuse and trafficking their own child mployees? Or the same un that lets some of the worst countries for human rights write reports on what other countries should be doing? The un is a joke
    
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    June 23, 2019 12:10pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Do we destroy things or reform them?
      Should the UN only admit countries that pass some kinds of tests?
      I don’t think that throwing away our major institutions for international cooperation will help anyone.
      
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      June 23, 2019 12:53pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        The UN has morphed into this lurid cess pit that wants to tell others how o behave, while behaving badly itself.
        The living embodiment of the expression.
        “The road to hell is paved with good intention.”
        
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        June 23, 2019 2:23pm
      - Alien
        
        The in has become something that it was not meant to be, it is an out of control beast so yes we should leave it and not be a part of the atrocities that the un has been committing.
        
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        June 23, 2019 3:02pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    The UN is a union.
    Unions are a disaster.
    
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    June 23, 2019 3:11pm
Hugh Pavletich

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New Zealand Banking major reform getting underway ? …

The Bubble Banking days are over …

Liam Dann: David Hisco’s departure the spark in tinder dry banking sector – NZ Herald (behind paywall)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12242198

COMMENT:

The banking industry hasn’t been this interesting since the global financial crisis.

Back then we were all talking about banks collapsing. It ended in a costly taxpayer guarantee and wasn’t much fun.

No one’s going broke in the current storm of news. But the winds of change are blowing, from multiple directions.

There are layers of disruption, overlapping and interacting in ways that make even the media industry seem relatively staid.

Where to start?

The big story in the spotlight this week was the unusual departure of David Hisco, the chief of New Zealand’s largest bank, ANZ. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Access yesterday’s extensive KB discussion. To say the Kiwi Tories are ‘touchy’ about the Key – led ANZ fiasco would be a major understatement …

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/general_debate_22_june_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2512838
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June 23, 2019 8:23am
- toby1845
  
  Reported as spam.
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:27am
  - MickMac
    
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    June 23, 2019 10:49pm
- Happychappy
  
  Same shit ,same place by the I have been everywhere man and I know everything man Hugh and his his usual dose of the same cut and paste spew that he delivers daily.
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:52am
Yvette

Who is heading for Hell in a hand-cart here?

• Spurred by annoyance at a new Tasmanian law allowing gender choice changes on birth certificates, Israel Folau posted a graphic ‘meme” which is actually a misquote of a Bible text, although an accompanying quote is accurate.

• Media cherry-pick the click-bait word “homosexuals” from the graphic’s list of eight “sinners”

• Ardern comments on the “very damaging” nature of Folau’s comment – “very mindful of the fact he is for many a role model” – considering the vulnerability of Rainbow teens, and perhaps not noticing “idolators” were eighth on the list.

• Israel Folau’s pastor father advises his son if he takes down the post, as Israel is about to do – if he does not stand by the word of the Lord, which, being a misquote, is not the Lord’s word – he, Israel, will be the one going to Hell.

• The sacked Wallabies star has set a goal to fundraise A$3 million in donations to help support his legal action against Rugby Australia via a GoFundMe page, which

• has a disclaimer, with no guarantee all the money will go towards his legal costs.

• The Australian’s Business Review has reported the former Wallabies star boasts a burgeoning A$5.6 million (NZ$5.8m) eight property portfolio.

Then there is Brian Tamaki, commenting on the political / religious force that is Islam, as he organises Destiny Church to become a political force …
Not a chance in Hell that anything could go wrong with that
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June 23, 2019 8:34am
- Yvette
  
  Now add to “the rights or wrongs” of this –
  • A petition to take down sacked rugby player Israel Folau’s controversial GoFundMe page has surpassed its target of 15,000 signatures.
  Sydney man Jay Taylor started the change.org campaign on Friday, June 21. In two days the petition has over 17,000 signatures – exceeding the initial 15,000 target.
  
  • GoFundMe has also received backlash for hosting Folau’s fundraiser, despite their terms and conditions stating they will not allow campaigns supporting or defending causes associated with “hate, harassment, bullying, discrimination, or intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity… sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity”.
  
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  June 23, 2019 4:16pm
stephieboy

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A cause for shared rejoicing throughout the nation,surely!

Prince William sends special gift to Neve Te Aroha on first birthday

“The prime minister’s daughter, Neve Te Aroha, has received a special and iconic gift from the Duke of Cambridge himself for her first birthday.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s fiance Clarke Gayford posted on Twitter congratulating Prince William, who shares the same birthday as Neve, along with pictures of the gift.

He wrote: “Torn between letting the 1st birthday girl continue to maul this amazing gift or putting it somewhere safe FOREVER.

“Happy Birthday Prince William, what a great shared birthday (I’m pretty sure you win with this).”
A metal plaque with the writing “Happy Birthday Neve, from Prince William” appears on the bottom of the toy…”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/392699/prince-william-sends-special-gift-to-neve-te-aroha-on-first-birthday
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June 23, 2019 8:34am
- emmess
  
  Can I just ask what was the point of posting that?
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:33am
  - toby1845
    
    It’s trying to outdo Hugh Pavlova for sheer stupidity.
    
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    June 23, 2019 10:06am
- dubya
  
  Why is it that so many lefties have taken to creaming themselves over the anachronism that is the British royal family?
  
  Look at the overwrought criticism of the tuxedo Donald Trump wore to a white tie dinner with the Queen (seriously, get a life – everybody looks ridiculous in a tuxedo, ill-fitting or otherwise). Yet the ‘woke’ Duchess of Sussex can burn as much carbon as she likes (shades of Ardern!) to attend a baby shower in New York with a bunch of celebrities.
  
  I can’t stand the guy, but least Jeremy Corbyn is consistent and refuses to fawn over them.
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:41am
  - Komata
    
    Dubya@0941
    Jeremy Corbyn ‘Consistent’?
    
    Do tell!
    
    Observation woud suggest otherwise and that he is just as self-serving as any other Labour / socialist polly, especially when in a position of power…
    
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    June 23, 2019 10:52am
    - dubya
      
      Perhaps you have a point that the closer he gets to the levers of power, the less he will champion his long held belief that Britain’s monarchy should be abolished. The royal family is, after all, on a bit of a popularity and PR roll, after the low point in the 1990s with divorces and Diana. As I mentioned, I don’t like the guy, but he is a noted long-term supporter of a British republic, with elected head of state. How he’d behave if he became PM is anyone’s guess, though – it should be noted Ardern appears to have fully embraced the Monarchy despite support of republicanism before becoming PM.
      
      In any case, Corbyn doesn’t currently appear to be seeking selfies with the Sussexes, to his credit.
      
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      June 23, 2019 12:49pm
- mara
  
  Neve probably already has about 30 buzzy-bees. People buy them because they like the Kiwiana, iconic aspect but little kids find them as boring as batshit. Moving along ….
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:45am
  - toby1845
    
    I find stories about Neve as boring as batshit.
    
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    June 23, 2019 10:08am
- Monique Watson
  
  Who gives a fuck. The Prime Minister and her de facto are not royal even though they’ve met the royals and no amount of sucking up changes that. She’s as royal as my checkout operator and he’s a guy in singlets and shorts who knows how to throw out a hook. You never see the babby anyhows.
  
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  June 23, 2019 10:59am
- chiz
  
  So, this is the royal version of regifting? Someone gives them a gift they don’t really want – Oh, yet another buzzy bee from NZ, how, uh, thoughtful – and they attach a bit of metal on the bottom and give it back.
  
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  June 23, 2019 2:46pm
Monique Watson

Oh fuck really? Are you running around the streets of Wellington ringing out the good news with bells on the end of your pointy felt shoes?
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June 23, 2019 8:46am
- Tempist
  
  No, think the directive out of Fraser House is that nothing’s allowed to be felt anymore following that last activist camp incident…
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:15am
  - sooty
    
    You are not going to get very far with that in the Labour party, no more feelz, who are you kidding! They have all graduated from the sex camp for years!
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:59am
KevO'Brien

Coming to a Christchurch near you:
https://www.wnd.com/2019/06/islamists-demand-u-n-launch-censorship-campaign/

This is equivalent to the excercise of hate against Christians. It is right to defend our freedom not to be over run by globalists not ordinarily resident here.
Is my wife not to be allowed to fulfill her role as an Anglican Priest? Islam has no place in our household.
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June 23, 2019 8:47am
- Albert_Ross
  
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  Nobody. Nobody. Nobody a-fucking-tall is suggesting that your wife should not be allowed to fulfill her role as an Anglican priest.
  
  Yes, some people in New Zealand may demand laws against criticism of Islam. So what? Plenty of people demand all sorts of public policy changes in New Zealand all the time. That is their right, just as it is others’ right to disagree and to reject their demands.
  
  Is it your contention that Muslims, alone of all the interest groups in New Zealand – environmentalists, gun owners, teachers, feminists, farmers, sports fans, creationists, musicians, cancer sufferers, motorists etc – should not be allowed to make policy demands?
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:31am
  - The King
    
    Sports fans and cancer sufferers are not seeking demographic conquest.
    
    We certainly shouldn’t let ‘strawmen’ make policy, i know that much.
    
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    June 23, 2019 10:44am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      No, why is it different? Why is a proposal for a change in public policy a “demand” when it comes from Muslims and a “request for consideration” when it comes from anybody else?
      
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      June 23, 2019 12:24pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Making requests for consideration is vastly different that asking for all criticism, real and perceived, to be made illegal and I think you are astute enough to be aware of that.
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:07am
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This can considered Part 2 of my first post earlier in the week regarding the meme the Nazis were socialist. A meme repeated by many of the alt right , far right and a number of Republican Congressional members. Also the President it seems.

Teacher and writer Mike Stuchberry whose passion is History joined in the debate on twitter and sought to correct this misleading conception that has no basis in historical fact .

It began with this twitter ,

Ian Miles Cheong
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@stillgray

Nazis were socialist.
https://
twitter.com/laurilove/stat
us/897051235244810240
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4:41 PM – Aug 17, 201

Stuchberry responded .

Mike Stuchbery
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@MikeStuchbery_

Ok, dickhead, I did this politely to someone else earlier, but now I’m going to rinse you. Prepare.
https://
twitter.com/stillgray/stat
us/898042049261326337
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Ian Miles Cheong
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@stillgray

Nazis were socialist.
https://
twitter.com/laurilove/stat
us/897051235244810240

Continuing ,

Mike Stuchbery
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@MikeStuchbery_

Replying to @MikeStuchbery_

It is, however, a total misnomer, it’s like the World Series, or Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, or ‘ethics in gaming journalism’.

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6:51 AM – Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery
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@MikeStuchbery_

Replying to @MikeStuchbery_

The Nazis were fascists. Indisputably. They drew their ideology from Italy’s fascists, who arose in reaction to the Left.

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Mike Stuchbery
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@MikeStuchbery_

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The Italian Right, @stillgray, still mired in 19th century thought, could not tackle the explosion in left-wing organization.

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Mike Stuchbery
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@MikeStuchbery_

Replying to @MikeStuchbery_ @stillgray

The Italian Fascists appropriated, wholesale, Roman imagery, such as the ‘fasces’, to evoke renewed national pride & a sense of superiority.

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Mike Stuchbery
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@MikeStuchbery_

Replying to @MikeStuchbery_ @stillgray

The Italian Fascists sought, @stillgray, to expand & reclaim historically Italian lands (mirroring a large portion of the old Roman Empire).

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7:07 AM – Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery
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@MikeStuchbery_

Replying to @MikeStuchbery_ @stillgray

After nicking some socialist economic policies (public works & spending), fascist government formed corporate cartels, enriching the few.

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7:10 AM – Aug 18, 2017

Mike Stuchbery
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@MikeStuchbery_

Replying to @MikeStuchbery_ @stillgray

Hitler & his Deutcher Arbeiter Partei mates see this and decide that they need to steal support from actual socialists, @StillGray…

Mike Stuchbery
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@MikeStuchbery_

Replying to @MikeStuchbery_ @stillgray

…so the DAP rebadge themselves as the NSDAP… Socialism still being a relatively new ideology. It’s like adding ‘e-‘ to a product name.

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Mike Stuchbery
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@MikeStuchbery_

Replying to @MikeStuchbery_ @stillgray

Otherwise, they were fascist – 1. Saw themselves as racially/nationally superior, 2. Wanted rearmament & expansion, 3. Consolidated capital.

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7:19 AM – Aug 18, 2017

And so on,

https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001

Also Mike is on to it regarding flakey flakey Tommy Robinson,

‘Tommy Robinson’s’ crew fighting in the streets in Warrington. (via Warrington Momentum)

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Replying to @MikeStuchbery_

Tommy Robinson’s goons bring it to the streets of Warrington. Both those lads end up in hospital.

https://twitter.com/mikestuchbery_/status/1123998275613405185?lang=en
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June 23, 2019 8:48am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh dear, stephie has really flipped out this morning.
  Somebody please call the medics.
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:08am
  - freethinker
    
    Stephie been taking lessons from Hugh?
    
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    June 23, 2019 9:21am
  - calendar girl
    
    I’ve simply reported stephieboy’s 8:48am contribution. Taking up seven screens worth of space on a PC is not what DPF’s blog is designed for.
    
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    June 23, 2019 9:45am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      I did the same. I don’t report often and as much as I dislike Stephi’s posts he/she/they have a right to voice their opinion but that was spam.
      
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      June 23, 2019 10:49am
- srylands
  
  WTF. How did this get through moderation?
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:11am
  - mark15
    
    Moderators elected by MMP?
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:18am
- alloytoo
  
  “…stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with the State. ”
  
  Smells like communism and looks like communism….
  
  The evidence suggests that the first tenet of Socialism is to get rid of the competition.
  
  After all why would a philosophy that abhors competition tolerate competitors?
  
  The fundamental error is in accepting that different brands of socialism seeking to eliminate the competition makes them any less socialist.
  
  That’s like saying Christian sects seeking to purge “Christian heresy” are no longer Christian.
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:34am
- emmess
  
  Do you even know what a meme is?
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:35am
- cmm
  
  A few lefties tweeting hardly corrects the history.
  
  The argument seems to be that DAP changed its name to NSDAP to steal Socialist support (the S).
  
  By that logic, they also stole nationalism by adding the N.
  
  Still, DAP = German Worker’s Party ie Labour Party.
  
  They really can’t because NSDAP was socialist in name and action, as were the Fascists.
  
  All of them are based on socialist principles:
  * collectivism
  * state control
  * massive authoritarianism
  
  They are only called the “right” because they are the right wing of socialism (the left wing of socialism being communism).
  
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  June 23, 2019 9:38am
  - Swifty
    
    ‘A few lefties tweeting hardly corrects the history.’
    
    Stiffy has proved over years that he is utterly incapable of crafting his own arguments – copying and pasting the efforts of others is all he’s got.
    
    Which in this case, again, is not very much.
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:14am
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm, choose to remain willfully ignorant!
    
    “There is nothing new in the world except the history you do not know.
    
    Harry S Truman
    
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    June 23, 2019 2:50pm
- toby1845
  
  Reported as spam.
  
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  June 23, 2019 10:09am
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s bonfire night… Sankthans.
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June 23, 2019 8:53am
- Tall Man
  
  I’m just happy that we are now on the path to summer……….
  
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  June 23, 2019 11:10am
Captain Mainwaring

What an incredible game of cricket. Both openers out for first ball ducks, then a reasonable total by NZ thanks again to Captain Kane, then WI coming from nowhere to almost take the game until Boult’s great catch left them just 5 runs short.
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June 23, 2019 9:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  No comment from Tony Stuart about the cricket.
  Hope he’s OK,
  
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  June 23, 2019 11:01am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Obviously some downticking moron hopes Tony is not OK.
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:28am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Its not worth worrrying about them Captain M. According to a recent article in the NY Times, research showed that individuals who ‘downticked’ other peoples posts for no apparent reason, that the vast majority were either: short, fat, ugly, poor, leftists, unemployed, lonely, single, and male.
      Or a combination of all the above.
      
      Just saying.
      
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      June 23, 2019 11:50am
      - Alien
        
        Hmmm, Shane Jones?
        
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        June 23, 2019 12:47pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Verbose Wanker wasn’t on that list
        
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        June 23, 2019 1:35pm
srylands

WTF. How did this get through moderation?**** Moderator can you please delete? ****
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June 23, 2019 9:15am
- sooty
  
  Would some person who knows how to cut and post, forward it to St Albans. They really should know what Ralph is up to and keep the collection plate safe aswell!
  
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  June 23, 2019 12:06pm
Yvette

School students and children demonstrated nation-wide in action against climate change, or whatever term supposed “man-triggered warming” now has, and cities have called a “state of emergency”, but are the young betrayed by the Government – in the Coalition promise to plant one billion trees – to sequester carbon and stabilise ground?

… commercial replanting over the next 10 years would have a “significant impact” on the 1 billion trees total … “For example, if the recent 95 per cent replanting rate was maintained over the next decade, this would equate to 770m trees.” – Shane Jones, Cabinet paper, August, 2018 [1]

So Shane needs plant only 230 million trees, to add to Forestry’s 770m, and claim he has fulfilled the Coalition Election Agreement promise – yes, “commercial Forestry” was never initially mentioned – but now Jones can plant less than a quarter of the original 1 billion, “to keep his word”.

Then there is Forestry’s “95% replanting rate”, which seems to mean that while they plant 770m trees, elsewhere Forestry will fell 731.5m (95%) mature trees, so actually leaving a net number of 38.5 million to add to Shane’s 230m – or 268.5 million in total, rather than the 1 billion,

Meanwhile a Report by Environment Commissioner Simon Upton says –
“While forests can be long-lived, they cannot be regarded as permanent. Their increasing exposure to climate change impacts through … pests, pathogens and erosion [and fires], further underscores their impermanence” …
How long a felled log holds onto its carbon depends what it was harvested for – the report says if the tree becomes part of a building it may remain out of the atmosphere for many decades, but if the same tree is turned into paper, the carbon may return to the atmosphere in a matter of months.
“Most logs are exported to China, India and South Korea where they are converted into products with varying lifetimes … when aggregated, the decay curves for these logs indicate that in just over two years half the carbon in exported logs has been returned to the atmosphere,” says the report. [2]

So sequestering carbon in forests is simply “kicking the can down the road” as this Government is very apt to do – considering its many committees and working groups – and Ardern’s description of climate change issues being this generation’s “nuclear moment” may be more akin to storing approximately 1 million tons of nuclear contaminated water from the tsunami-crippled Fukushima Daiichi power plant in Okuma, Japan. [3]
Some day they will have to face “What to do with it?”

So, the fact Shane may never plant more than about 230 million trees – roughly a quarter of the billion promised and the goal is headed towards Kiwibuild-level achievements – may in fact be good for coming generations, but surely the taxpayer funds being wasted on this token gesture would be better spent actually stopping emissions in the first place.

And it doesn’t matter if you are the self-proclaimed champion of the regions, the back-woodsman Davy Crockett (Raised in the woods so he knew ev’ry tree) style political marvel of oratory – a lie is still a lie.
Tell the school children the truth …

[1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12200823
[2] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/03/27/507676/end-forest-sinks-for-co2-says-environment-commissioner
[3] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-nuclear-water/eight-years-on-water-woes-threaten-fukushima-cleanup-idUSKCN1QP0MA
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June 23, 2019 9:33am
alloytoo

Has climate change’s carbon fetish become the 21st century equivalent of Catholic guilt?
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June 23, 2019 9:39am
- The Feed
  
  Yes.
  
  It operates like an organised religion. High priests who must be obeyed with little question (scientists/politicians), scriptures (reports), penance (small unrelated acts of self-sacrifice that achieve nothing, apart from assuaging moral guilt), get them while their are young and scare them (a warning of hellfire/warming/biblical floods), collect tithes (taxes).
  
  Profit.
  
  It’s sad that humans never really change.
  
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  June 23, 2019 10:42am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Yes and carbon credits are the new papal indulgences. And just like those indulgences you don’t need to change your behaviour either.
  
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  June 23, 2019 10:52am
- Tall Man
  
  What’s “Catholic guilt”?
  
  Is it when you can’t get to mass on Sunday to “confess” because you’re still in the “sack” doing what needs to be confessed?
  
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  June 23, 2019 11:12am
- Kabull
  
  Perhaps its a modern equivalent of the 16th century Tulip mania?
  
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  June 23, 2019 7:32pm
- BrownSnake
  
  If Catholicism was really that bad would be getting a visit from the Jacinda Police for that Comment?
  
  I think they gave NZ its first printing press (Waste of time imho)
  
  one Catholic wrote a good book about what NZ is really about
  
  https://www.amazon.com/Felice-Vaggioli/e/B001K85MYK
  
  History of New Zealand and its Inhabitants:
  
  Like most things truthful the British attempted to censor and destroy it
  
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  June 23, 2019 8:19pm
Steve James

Must see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8rkxLBCn80
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June 23, 2019 9:43am
Yvette

Gunshack Blenheim owner Peter Watson said he had received calls from people in Marlborough, and around the country, saying they would not be handing in their guns.
“In reality the price is fair, but what they’ve taken away is not fair,” Watson said. “They’ll go to ground and keep them until a change of Government or a change of policy.”

Several collection events would be held across New Zealand before December 20, when the amnesty to surrender firearms, parts, magazines and ammunition would end.

So now being an amnesty, one assumes then that after December 20, 2019, any gun the police acquire, will be forfeit – no payment – and the person in possession of it prosecuted, I guess.

Have the Police, politicians or media mentioned any penalties yet?
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June 23, 2019 10:10am
- kowtow
  
  Yep . Nash was on the radio talking tough guy stuff , along the lines of “If they don’t hand them in , it’s 5 years in gaol”
  
  Wow , this from the gubmint who wanted to empty the prisons of real hardened criminals …….to make room for the newly minted criminal class , created by gubmint fiat , of formerly lawful firearms owners.
  
  Does anyone hear them talking tough about the gangs ?
  
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  June 23, 2019 4:06pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Our lovely prime minister has baked a cake for baby Neve. Adorable!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113702149/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-has-baked-a-cake-for-baby-neve
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June 23, 2019 10:56am
- Alien
  
  John key didn’t bake a cake
  
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  June 23, 2019 11:25am
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    not on camera anyway
    
    too classy.
    
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    June 23, 2019 3:22pm
- MrTips
  
  A different view from shadow dweller Hamish Price: https://mobile.twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1142338736971063296
  
  Definitely his edgiest work for a while
  
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  June 23, 2019 11:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    No worky……
    
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    June 23, 2019 6:29pm
- Ford Prefect
  
  Only 3 comments got past the Stuff moderators. I left a couple of comments that obviously werent acceptable.
  
  How many others do you think had the same disgust that poor Neve’s parents will do anything to stay in the headlines.
  
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  June 23, 2019 11:40am
- rangitoto
  
  Looks like the bunny has been run over. Bad Jacinda.
  
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  June 23, 2019 12:09pm
- freethinker
  
  3 Comments and comments closed ????????????????????
  Oh yes Stuffs policy of not allowing comments their censor doesn’t approve, Heil ardern, click boots.
  
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  June 23, 2019 12:10pm
Maggie Pie

Sorry for the delay in posting.
I was working late shift last night (11 -7) and ive only just checked my Instagram.
Thort this would be worth sharing with the group:
https://www.instagram.com/p/By_4s3VA8FM/
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June 23, 2019 11:03am
- Tall Man
  
  A bunny cake made by a “bunny”.
  
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  June 23, 2019 11:24am
  - Alien
    
    Clarke wishes she was a bunny instead of a horse
    
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    June 23, 2019 11:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      Clare wishes he was a horse…….
      
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      June 23, 2019 6:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        with a “k”.
        
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        June 23, 2019 6:28pm
      - Inandout
        
        Is horse still on the doorstep these days?
        
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        June 23, 2019 9:29pm
- Alien
  
  Is that the playboy bunny?
  
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  June 23, 2019 11:25am
  - freethinker
    
    No he was taking the photo.
    
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    June 23, 2019 12:12pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Playboy Bunnies are much smarter than either of those two.
    
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    June 23, 2019 2:41pm
    - Alien
      
      Exactly, the play of bunny cake is far smarter than anyone in that house
      
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      June 23, 2019 3:54pm
      - Alien
        
        Hmmm, that shouldn’t have “play of” in there.
        
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        June 23, 2019 4:14pm
- Komata
  
  MaggieP
  
  Urk! Did you REALLY have to post that (especially as the first thing I saw was THE TEETH!!)
  
  Please, please, please have pity on your fellow KB-ers and don’t inflict such things on us again; life is tough-enough as it is..
  
  Thank you.
  
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  June 23, 2019 11:43am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Fair enuff Komatua – what about this for a bit of … “awwwww”
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BtIMZ3-FHOj/
    
    ]Honestly, you would think some people might have better things to do?]
    
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    June 23, 2019 1:16pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Is that Helen Clark’s signature I see on the corner of the cake?
  
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  June 23, 2019 3:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    A blob of birdshit… same thing really.
    
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    June 23, 2019 6:22pm
Alien

Cmdr. David Fravor Talking about the tic tac ufo sighting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDj9ZZQY2kA
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June 23, 2019 11:33am
Alien

Hmmm, is the power company saying a lot of people live without power now?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2019/06/forced-to-live-without-power-over-deceased-grandmother-s-debt.html

“Forced to live without power over deceased grandmother’s debt

“I just ended up breaking down in my office at work. Felt like they just didn’t care, didn’t care about my children. I think one phone call they said, ‘Oh, lots of people are living like that these days.’ … I was like wow, me and my children have to live like that.””
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June 23, 2019 12:01pm
secondcumming

*BREAKING NEWS*

President Trump announces plans for surprise attack on Iran this coming Wednesday.
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June 23, 2019 1:44pm
Happychappy

The illegal National Party ad is allowing the hypocrites from the left like Bryce Edward’s to push for a conviction, but points that gets missed is that this happened with Sir Patrick Hogan and Matt McCarten’s with their different ventures one that was using interns to canvas the public for Labour on the phone and cold canvassing paid by a anonymous donors was the excuse ,then the other was a full page ad for NZ First with support from the Racing Fraternity both were dismissed with a slap from a wet bus ticket. As soon as this is done by a National supporter the media and academics want to see National and the supporter convicted. What Matt McCarten’s did was calculated and disgraceful compared to this and the laws need to apply to all not just some.
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June 23, 2019 4:11pm
Alien

I thought I would write something due to the amount of people that seem to want to keep correcting how I write.

I spend all my waking day lite headed. A lot of the times things get mixed up in my head and no longer come out how I have them in my head.

Thanks David for the chance to express myself on your posts but I’m actually tired of having people point out that I get things wrong. It never used to be like this and it just is a constant reminder of how messed up I’m getting.

Bye
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June 23, 2019 4:33pm
- Happychappy
  
  Come on Alien harden up I quite enjoy most of your posts and if you think your the only one that gets pulled up on how your posts turn out your mistaken as I am not very good at English full stop and have been told many times on here to use commers , full stops and capitals . Don’t throw the towel in as you don’t sound by many of your posts that you will just give up so don’t let some silly
  comments beat you.
  
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  June 23, 2019 5:32pm
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    ‘you’re’ not ‘your’
    ‘commas’ not ‘commers’
    
    Cheers ! You’re welcome !
    
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    June 23, 2019 5:46pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “arseholes” not labour voters
      
      “Idiots” not watermelon supporters.
      
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      June 23, 2019 6:21pm
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    Povadee, jepradise, you may be in good company… hang on, my bad. Sorry about that.
    
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    June 23, 2019 5:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  @Alein
  
  https://i.imgflip.com/343u4s.jpg
  
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  June 23, 2019 6:57pm
Happychappy

I try to spell and do things right , but nowadays if it’s wrong well so be it I am not going to lose any sleep over it. The point is Alien has health problems and can be excused I am a dumb ass when it comes to English but I excelled at maths and got me where I wanted to be.
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June 23, 2019 6:37pm
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND … The reckless and socially irresponsible Bubble Banking days are over …

How did ANZ lose money on a house in the hottest housing market in memory? | Kate MacNamara | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/113712883/how-did-anz-lose-money-on-a-house-in-the-hottest-housing-market-in-memory

OPINION: There is a casual arrogance to ANZ NZ chairman John Key’s handling of the David Hisco affair.

And it complements, with delicate nuance, the entitlement of the former ANZ NZ chief executive himself. …

… concluding …

… ANZ shareholders and the New Zealand public can’t look at the accounting for Arawata, and they don’t know how it’s accounted for.

Key certainly didn’t intend that they should when told a rather quaint fable last week about a banker with a $50,000 blind spot.

That story is morphing into a saga about a bank and opacity and half-truths. One of the bankers is gone, but at the helm remains a man who is blind to hubris.
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… Remember John Key’s sorry history with the New Zealand National Party ? …

GONE GONE GOING: The demise of the New Zealand National (Conservative) Party … Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/National%20News.html
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