General Debate 19 June 2019

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mjw

Ok, I won’t mention it again, but the Curia Public Poll Average is now more than a year out of date. If it is to be presented, it really should use all the available data.

… I’l see myself out now. 🙂
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June 19, 2019 8:02am
- sooty
  
  Don’t let the door hit you in the arse as you go!
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:20am
  - Garbageman
    
    Can you log into YSB Sooty no posts today either very strange as have your say is usually up at 6
    
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    June 19, 2019 8:31am
    - waikatogirl
      
      YSB was being upgraded yesterday. A serious glitch in the backroom must have happened?
      
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      June 19, 2019 8:45am
      - sooty
        
        Can not log in to coment.
        Presume they are having trouble after upgrade.
        237 coments on have your say. Starting to get some traffic.
        
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        June 19, 2019 9:06am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Sooty, Sure it’ll be fixed ASAP. I’ll just have to do all those jobs I’ve sidelined lately. Beautiful blue and gold day in the Waikato.
        
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        June 19, 2019 9:17am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        The pc police?
        
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        June 19, 2019 10:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Oh, I hadn’t noticed. The ACT figure must be particularly out of date then.
  Is there more current information on the Curia website?
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:22am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Re polls though, tgere was a very good item on Mediawatch on Sunday. Featured comments from DPF.
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:25am
- softail 1450
  
  MJW ,and while they are fixing that get rid of that pic of our dear leader……..
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:49am
- hullkiwi
  
  Why don’t you go and ask Stephen Mills for an update of the URM polls?
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:52am
- MrsAnnie
  
  Perhaps David knows that in the era of fake news its been more than a year since the last legitimate poll was conducted???
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:59am
- Piniwi
  
  But mjw it is looking like the stopped clock type of result as it winds around to being right again soon.
  
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  June 19, 2019 1:27pm
Yvette

Dolphins and the cat scat spat

… dolphin expert professor Liz Slooten was surprised the theory that cats posed a greater risk to dolphins than fishing nets had even seen the light of day, and described it as nonsense.
She said DOC and Fisheries NZ were warned by a panel of experts ahead of the release of their proposed plan that the danger posed by toxoplasmosis from cat faeces was tenuous at best. [1]

Further –
Cat toxoplasmosis infection that ends up in the water cycle, on entering the ocean, should be diverted from reaching most dolphin grounds by predominant sea currents.
An anti-clockwise rotating current dominates the Tasman Sea, while an eastward flow from beyond Queensland along the Tropical Front splits into the East Auckland Current and runs from Cape Reigna via East Coast to off the Wairarapa, and a larger portion passes much further east.
The South Tasman Front rounding Stewart Island and heading northeast past Dunedin to the region of Pegasus may effect dolphin grounds there, but those grounds west of both islands would likely carry toxoplasma gondii from Australia, rather than New Zealand.

As a flow on from cats taking out native birds, insects and lizards, I can see the attraction for Eugenie Sage to blame moggies for using the Tasman and Pacific as a dirt box – it is kind of like “to kill two birds with one stone”, if you can still say that – but she needs to explain just how cat toxoplasmosis that washes into, for examples, any of the three Wairoa Rivers – the Wairoa at Clevedon, or the one emptying into the sea at Bethlehem,Tauranga, or the other at Wairoa, Hawke’s Bay – how such infection, if any, then reaches a dolphin ground, rather than heading for the Chathams?

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/392327/new-zealand-dolphins-toxoplasmosis-vs-trawling-risk-report-starts-scat-spat
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June 19, 2019 8:02am
- G152
  
  Making all these ‘no fishing’ areas is all well and good
  BUT
  The stocks of fish will grow to such a size that Orca and various shark species will be attracted.
  And the small Hector and Maui dolphins will become extinct thanks to crazy greenies.
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:22am
- cmm
  
  Toxoplasmosis is found in sea otters too and they are already shitting in the sea. and currents bring the water from USA coast to here.
  
  Giant Pandas also get it. Better go cull them too! Screw WWF – they can find another logo.
  
  The real problem is that dolphins have poor health due to fizzy drinks and KFC. If they change to a vegetarian diet and stopped using deodorant they’d be far more healthy.
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:25am
  - sooty
    
    They test the sewage oufalls everywhere and we have a meth problem, that’s not going to help!
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:09am
    - Rob2
      
      So fish on meths. Well they will make for some crazy fishing once the kingi’s get on line. yeh.
      
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      June 19, 2019 10:28am
      - cmm
        
        Explains a certain fisherman pulling skin off fish with his teeth.
        
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        June 19, 2019 12:02pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The range of the Maui’s dolphins is roughly between Kawhia and the Kaipara with the bulk concentrated between Raglan and Port Waikato.
  The literature I have read suggests that they don’t go far beyond the 20 metre depth contour and more often than not live and hunt adjacent to river or harbour mouths.
  That close in they may be more susceptible to cat toxoplasmosis as the current effect will be less in the areas they inhabit which will be affected from run off contained in the Waikato River and the harbour discharges from Manukau, Aotea, Raglan and Kawhia harbours.
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:37am
  - lilman
    
    Bullshit,Bullshit……….BULLSHIT.
    
    I know commercial fishermen ,3 to be exact who have told me they have NEVER seen a Maui dolphin and have been in their ,so called , habitat for 30-45 years.
    
    Just show me one,not 46 and I will be happy to fund and put aside areas for conservation.
    
    But you cant,never have been able too,so where is the 66 figure coming from.
    
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    June 19, 2019 11:14am
  - cmm
    
    20m? That’s pathetic. Real dolphins dive to hundreds of metres.
    
    Maybe Maui’s are just runty Hector’s dolphins that are to whimpy to go to deep water?
    
    I blame it on dolphin “everyone’s a winner” culture.
    
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    June 19, 2019 12:09pm
- Ruahine
  
  The amount of cat and dog faeces that go into the seas around Auckland and Wellington in particular is a threat to all living creatures that live in the seas or those humans silly enough to go swimming in the sea around these cities. Has anyone ever wondered where all those dog droppings go, that when out walking you have to be careful not to step in because all those ‘responsible’ dog owners we hear about just leave the droppings on the footpath. Tests have shown that large amounts end up in the ocean taken there by stormwater.
  Another thing that no one ever seems to mention is that pets are one of the greatest contributors to climate change, especially in so-called wealthy countries.
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:01am
  - JibberJabber
    
    To be fair, cats tend to bury their shit in other peoples gardens and school sandpits( if those still exist).
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:29am
  - rangitoto
    
    What about all the fish poop going into the sea. What are the government doing about that?
    
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    June 19, 2019 1:19pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Cats are way cuter than rapey Dolphins that stink of fish. So if it comes to a choice; bugger the dolphins
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:24am
artemisia

‘Build to rent’ is getting a fair bit of airtime lately from the industry and also from Mr Twyford.

So far, airtime is all there is with a couple of exceptions. Low initial returns are mentioned, though Mr Twyford is indicating a sweetener using government owned land with deferred repayments. (Bit of desperation coming through there.)

What is not mentioned is –

– increasing numbers of rubbish tenants, with tens of thousands publicly named each year in the Tenancy Tribunals database, mostly for arrears and/or damage
– and that does not include the many more with credit issues, or known to the property management sector (which manages over half of private rentals).
– current and proposed compliance requirements and costs, including increased renter rights, some with serious fines for landlords for breaches
– how many tenants with a long term lease will want out before the end, what penalties will they incur and how to recover debts when the tenants have disappeared overseas or otherwise into the wind. Current average tenancy is about 2 years.
– What is to stop owners selling up? Even if those owners are corporates. Probable that larger developments will be mixed occupants – tenants and owner occupiers.
– Will developers getting government help be required to sell some units as ‘affordable’, or for social housing. Good luck with that.

Just a few thoughts about the latest pie in the sky.
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June 19, 2019 8:04am
- sooty
  
  Public housing tenants not paying the million dollars that they owe for damage!
  Should we build them houses made of concrete blocks and steel doors or house them in containers?
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:24am
  - artemisia
    
    Not only would container homes etc not meet Housing NZ standards, but people on the waiting list will turn them down. Then tell the media how terrible Housing NZ is.
    
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    June 19, 2019 8:38am
    - sooty
      
      Butt here’s a shortage. They should be grateful, that they are not living in their cars!
      
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      June 19, 2019 9:12am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Yep, living is a car is a metal box with electric windows
        
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        June 19, 2019 10:43am
  - freethinker
    
    Tents are cheaper and easier to replace.
    
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    June 19, 2019 10:41am
Inandout

A good interview with a Trump campaign manager on Garner. 100,000 entry tickets pre-booked at Orlando for Trump’s re-election, so should be quite a show. Ruby just couldn’t swallow this she so went negative.
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June 19, 2019 8:07am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Another war in the middle east will also be helpful to keep the base engaged.
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:30am
  - JibberJabber
    
    He could just take a leaf out of Obamas playbook and bomb the bejeebus out of countries they`re not at war with.
    
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    June 19, 2019 8:57am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Just imagine the damage Trump could do if he had a Nobel PEACE Prize?
      
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      June 19, 2019 9:17am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        True that. But imagine this: As Obama got the Nobel prize for not being Dubya, what will the world top that with to recognise the next president for not being T-rumpy?
        
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        June 19, 2019 9:43am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Obama was chosen for a Nobel Peach prize just 11 days after taking office, and later when awarded the prize used his acceptance speech to justify sending more troops to Afghanistan. There was silence from the peacenik lefties of course.
        
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        June 19, 2019 11:51am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yeah, I haven’t noticed that the USA has stopped bombing any countries in the last couple of years, and it has actually expanded hostilities in a few. Bombing foreigners seems to be one of the few issues that Republicans and Democrats agree about.
      
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      June 19, 2019 9:41am
      - mandk
        
        You’ve got it completely wrong, mma.
        
        The Democrats like bombing other countries, while the Republicans like to stop it.
        
        It was the same with slavery: the Democrats wanted to keep slaves, but the Republicans stopped them.
        
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        June 19, 2019 9:57am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You are very mixed up. Post WWII US foreign policy has been very consistent between parties with respect to bombing, especially so since the continuous wars started in the mid-80s – Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Gulf I, Yugoslavia,
        Somalia, Afghanistan, Gulf II, Libya, Syria, et al.
        Good luck pinning all of those wars on Democrats and none on Republicans.
        Do you think the people on the ground can distinguish between the political labels of the various presidents who have ordered their deaths?
        
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        June 19, 2019 10:56am
- softail 1450
  
  Inandout, that bint is a disgrace ,imagine being her so called “my boy” FFS.
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:46am
- waikatogirl
  
  Trumps slogan for this election campaign:
  “Keep America Great”
  
  Q: If Joe Biden is the answer, why has he not been given the question over his 40 years in politics?
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:49am
- MCos
  
  To put it in perspective a Cricket World Cup matchup anywhere in the world between India and Pakistan would have far more than that clamouring for tickets plus a billion watching on TV (including me).
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:04am
  - All_on_Red
    
    A more relevant comparison would be how many are going to Biden’s Rallies
    May 7 Henderson,NV 50-100
    May 4 Columbia SC 250-300
    May 1 Des Moines IA 400
    May 1 Iowa City IS 75
    April 30 Dubuque IA 250
    April 30 Cedar Rapids IS 150
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:39am
    - MCos
      
      I’d rather go to a game of cricket, any game, than see Joe Biden, or any politician giving a stump speech.
      
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      June 19, 2019 9:49am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , I still think that Trump will never beat these crowds,
      
      https://images.app.goo.gl/1jaKt5kRZAPV4kWZ6
      
      But I suppose it is not want of trying.
      
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      June 19, 2019 9:57am
      - calendar girl
        
        You’re being gratuitously offensive, stephieboy.
        
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        June 19, 2019 2:14pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Was that an ardern rally of retards?
        
        Think I saw you steffy girl, third row back from the turd… hang on third row in front of the turd… nope, I’ve got it, you are the turd.
        
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        June 19, 2019 8:47pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That’s nice. Fervour from the faithful is always good.
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:51am
  - Blackbob
    
    You can’t know that’s true, Trump hasn’t played Cricket in the Indian subcontinent yet…
    
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    June 19, 2019 10:15am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It might appeal to him – lots of opportunities to cheat in cricket. He can use a golf cart when fielding in the deep, right?
      
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      June 19, 2019 10:58am
      - Tall Man
        
        What’s worse mikey… a cheat.. or a liar?
        
        Unfortunately he’s their cheat whereas we’re stuck with the liar.
        
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        June 19, 2019 8:48pm
    - MCos
      
      If he did he’d do more for peace in the region than any amount of sabre rattling.
      
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      June 19, 2019 11:09am
- freethinker
  
  Amanda’s bias is glowing like a bonfire in the night.
  
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  June 19, 2019 10:42am
- virtualmark
  
  Well selling 100,000 entry tickets is going to get really *awkward*.
  
  The Amway Centre only has a capacity of 20,000.
  
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  June 19, 2019 6:58pm
  - artemisia
    
    Only 20,000 seats? Technology, dear chap, technology.
    
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    June 20, 2019 7:30am
secondcumming

Given the *serious concerns* coming out of Sydney about the state of their residential Apartment developments…… should we be worried here?

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1140769216896937986

Asking for a friend.
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June 19, 2019 8:08am
- sooty
  
  Is your friend Hugh?
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:14am
  - Swifty
    
    Hugh has no friends.
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:33am
- Rob2
  
  Well Tauranga has more than a few leaky ones.
  
  Is that any indication of the standards of the building?
  
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  June 19, 2019 10:31am
Happychappy

My children are adults now but their children are in the generation that have cell phones but if this article is correct and fact it might not be a good thing for their health.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12241706
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June 19, 2019 8:19am
fernglas

Has anyone here ever seen Rory Stewart and Colin Craig in the same room?
Asking for a friend
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June 19, 2019 8:19am
- sooty
  
  Why are they one and the same?
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:25am
- White Anglo Saxon Protestant
  
  Ask iMP/John Stringer.
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:31am
- insider
  
  Was Willem Dafoe lurking around too?
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:01am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Sickle Cell Day!
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June 19, 2019 8:19am
Happychappy

I can’t believe that over 60% of people polled by TV One Colmar Bruton Poll want kiwibuild to continue in it present form despite Judith Collinns and others calling it coperate welfare for some in the housing development sector.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/kiwibuild-welfare-scheme-property-developers-judith-collins
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June 19, 2019 8:30am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Depends how the question was worded. Including her name might have biased the answers against her – she is widely despised, you know.
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    “she is widely despised, you know”
    
    I’m sure you know exactly how she feels.
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:13am
  - Gravelroad
    
    No, MMA, I didn’t know that Judith Collins is “widely despised”.
    Why would that be?
    Because she is in the National Party?
    Because she has an Asian partner?
    Because she calls out the brainless?
    Because she is a woman? Maybe that’s it.
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:29am
    - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
      
      Because she sold out law abiding gun owners.
      
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      June 19, 2019 9:54am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You didn’t know that. Maybe if you sampled opiunion outside the echo chamber for a while. I’ll believe she’s popular when she gets numbers similar to Winston Peters vs Jim Bolger for NP leader, if you remember back to when lots of people thought he was the real deal.
      
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      June 19, 2019 9:54am
      - Tall Man
        
        Get out of the past mikey.
        
        Worry about the corrupt liars we currently have on the Treasury Benches and think where you pension isn’t coming from.
        
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        June 19, 2019 8:51pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Gravelroad – she doesn’t have “an Asian partner”; her husband David Wong-Tung was born in Samoa, to Chinese and Samoan parents, and migrated to New Zealand as a child.
      
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      June 19, 2019 10:24am
      - rockape
        
        And he is a bloody nice bloke!
        
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        June 19, 2019 11:20am
  - Ian Hawthorn
    
    I’ve got nothing against her really. But the way a certain blog owner keeps denigrating Simon Bridges and pushing for her to be leader is a real turn off.
    
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    June 19, 2019 12:14pm
- brett68
  
  Probably because the property market/building industry in NZ is completely fucked.
  Stupid sums of money having to be paid for a handkerchief sized piece of land with a tiny box on it.
  
  Even though Kiwibuild in the current form is a dog, it’s at least trying to solve an issue that desperately needs solving.
  
  People are just hoping they get it right eventually because leaving it to the market has been an utter failure.
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:47am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    It hasn’t been left to the market. The market has been deliberately and systematically prevented from working by planning and building regulations which quite literally make it illegal to build affordable housing in locations where it is needed.
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:10am
    - Swifty
      
      That is correct.
      
      There is nothing approaching a free market in housing in NZ.
      
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      June 19, 2019 9:33am
    - Rob2
      
      One part of the market has created a problem. Covenants. covenants which every subdivider places on their sections require high standards that prevent good quality cheap housing from being built in those subdivisions. Meaning that without finding a section that is not in a new subdivision you simply can’t place cheap housing.
      Been pointing this out for at least 15 years but no one notices.
      
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      June 19, 2019 7:50pm
  - Scott
    
    Totally agree with Albert Ross on the subject of housing. We have had over the years more regulations that stop developers building affordable houses and the RMA which appears to be restricting the supply of land.
    
    We need to release more land for housing development. We need to deal with regulations so that builders can put together thousands of affordable homes that can be sold or rented out at an affordable price.
    
    The other big issue is immigration. Particularly in Auckland there are so many people coming in that the supply of housing just cannot cope. We need to adjust our immigration settings.
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:37am
    - brett68
      
      Completely agree about immigration while this government still allows in 60,000 people per year they have no interest in solving the housing issue in NZ and everything they spout is disingenuous bullshit.
      
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      June 19, 2019 9:46am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scott, I doubt if you were saying same pre 23/09/17.
      
      Why?
      
      I never existed !
      
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      June 19, 2019 10:04am
      - sooty
        
        If only!
        
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        June 19, 2019 10:44am
      - freethinker
        
        If you never existed how come you are here now, you can fix that by ceasing to exist so foxtrot Oscar and make us happier.
        
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        June 19, 2019 10:50am
      - Tall Man
        
        “I never existed ”
        
        Fuck I wish that were true.
        
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        June 19, 2019 8:53pm
- fernglas
  
  Maybe they don’t think Judith is right? Just a wild guess.
  Or maybe they like the idea of Kiwibuild, even though its execution is incompetent?
  
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  June 19, 2019 8:58am
- G152
  
  Well so far Kiwibilk as it is has done no harm to man or beast.
  Just hasn’t produced any extra housing and demolished a pretend politician.
  The building industry is getting on with producing housing for them as want and can afford
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:09am
  - artemisia
    
    “The building industry is getting on with producing housing for them as want and can afford”
    
    Producing housing that buyers want and can afford. FIFY.
    
    Rather than ‘I’m from the government and I will tell you what you want.’ Empathetically.
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:37am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Housing Minister Phil Twyford pulls out being keynote speaker at the KiwiBuild Summit later this month ahead of the his policy’s reset. He was scheduled to speak in Auckland on June 24, but a spokesperson said he had papers before Cabinet this month so he needed to be in Wellington on that day. In January, Twyford announced KiwiBuild policy would undergo a reset after it did not achieve the numbers that had been anticipated in the early months of the programme.
      
      Judith has been dogging his every fail. Has Twyford has gone into witless protection after becoming the largest failed policy of the COL to date?
      
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      June 19, 2019 9:51am
  - waikatogirl
    
    No harm eh, except for the many millions of dollars of taxpayer money Twyford’s fustercluck Kiwibuild is costing us.
    
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    June 19, 2019 11:37am
hullkiwi

Bring a couple of items together, last week Auckland council passed a motion that Auckland now faces a climate change emergency. At the time, I stated that this would be an excuse for lobby groups to press councils to promote and fund all manner of programmes “to minimize the impact of climate change”.

Now as it happens, as I’m driving home in the evening RNZ play a programme called “The Detail” after 6.30pm produced by Newsroom. Last night’episode was all about what do these motions actually mean. They highlighted Nelson City, where some lobby group was happy that Nelson will be setting aside $750k, but of course this wasn’t considered enough. Then they got on to interviewing Penny Hulse, Chair of Auckland Council’s Environment Committee. Oh dear, the councilor demonstrated why there needs to be an IQ tests and subject matter tests before politicians become responsible for anything more than running a bath.
In her interview, she highlighted issues such as roading, drainage and then something I know about (because it is part of my day job) the transition of Auckland’s bus fleet to electric. She made the bold claim that Auckland would have to set aside $125million for this. Sorry to burst peoples bubbles on this, but Auckland has 1350 buses of which over which 100 are double deckers, a diesel one costs 700k, the cost of an electric bus, if one is available (because this is new technology) is 20% to 30% higher. Replacement of Auckland’s existing fleet begins in 2025. Then there is $44m to Vector to upgrade the power network to bus depots. Then there is the fact that electric buses require the batteries replaced after circa 8 years of use etc. So, $125m is a fraction of what is required to implement this plan (it is insulting to call it a strategy).

As someone who works in the Auckland Council system, this is all very annoying, because it is all “feelz”, with taxpayer’s ratepayer’s and farepayer’s money and has nothing to do with meeting the strategic needs of our communities.

There must be a better model?
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June 19, 2019 8:51am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Genuine question; why do buses cost NZ councils $700-1000k when they are extremely simple mass-manufactured vehicles little more complex than a commercial truck? New electric and diesel buses on Alibaba appear to cost about $150k
  https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/new-bus.html
  
  Even if they are less reliable, you can buy 5x as many for the same money and have spares at hand.
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:32am
  - hullkiwi
    
    UN the answer is not, all buses are the same.
    Rule of thumb.
    10 meter bus circa $250k;
    12 metre bus circa $350k;
    13 meter (triple axle x 4 4 wheel steering) $400k to $500k;
    Auckland double deckers $700.
    
    Now for the specs that add to the cost.
    1. The parts of the bus must not fall off as the bus departs the ship (that happened to buses from one Chinese manufacturer);
    2. The buses must meet Euro5 or later emissions standard;
    3. There are fit out standards that add to cost; and….
    4. NZ buses are 5cm narrower than European standards 2.5 meters versus 2.55m, meaning we have special chassis floor pans (an NZTA standard). Most of Auckland’s new buses are variant Volvos or Scanias.
    
    As a Chinese teacher (she was staying with us in 2016) said to my wife and me. “Wow these buses are flash , not like Chinese buses that fall apart”. The irony being the said buses had been assembled in China by BCI using Scania chassis’and engines.
    
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    June 19, 2019 10:13am
  - sooty
    
    Because the salesman tacks on all the perks, free trips that he has to give the counciler that approves the purchaser and the CEO that writes the check out? That’s the difference!
    
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    June 19, 2019 10:40am
- WaveyDavey
  
  As I’ve pointed out before, NZ cannot produce enough electricity to power a 100% electric private vehicle fleet, let alone the commercial vehicles.
  
  We simply don’t (a) have the generating capacity or (b) plans in place to meet that need.
  
  This is idiot politicians writing cheques in the full knowledge that they won’t be around when they are cashed.
  
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  June 19, 2019 11:23am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Wavey, I agree with you. Electric buses are a dumb move in Auckland, with both distance (and therefore electricity consumption) and the ability of the country to generate electricity. Given what the CoL and now counts want to push NZ towards, expecting energy problems is not unreasonable.
    
    For my part, better alternative fuel systems for buses would be hydrogen fuel cell technology.
    
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    June 19, 2019 12:25pm
  - Alien
    
    Gives us a dry summer and winter and we’re in shit street with power as it is. Wasn’t that long ago we were having issues because too many were using their air conditioners
    
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    June 19, 2019 12:51pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Need a ute?
    
    https://www.driven.co.nz/news/lifestyle/watch-someone-chopped-up-a-tesla-model-3-and-turned-it-into-a-ute/
    
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    June 20, 2019 1:13am
Simon

Zaharie Ahmad Shah or Brenton Tarrant who is worse?
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June 19, 2019 8:51am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is it a competition?
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:55am
- stephieboy
  
  Simon, no comparison and he fate and cause of flight MH370 disappearance still remains unknown.
  
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  June 19, 2019 10:10am
- Alien
  
  easy, stephieboy
  
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  June 19, 2019 12:50pm
Maggie Pie

Just been out to get a couple of ducks from the freezer. Did a quick count and we got 22 this year – plus a yuge turkey. They’re actually a lot of work. My partner brings them home, hangs them in the shed for a day or so, then leaves it to me to do all the prepping.
I told him last night if he expects me to keep doing it by myself, it would be better if he bought me an automated plucking machine.
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June 19, 2019 8:52am
- slightlyrighty
  
  That post had the potential to very wrong with auto correct
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:02am
  - artemisia
    
    Wasn’t that the (more subtle) point?
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:33am
- JibberJabber
  
  Hubby, he`s not a Pheasant Plucker?
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:19am
  - freethinker
    
    Bugger you beat me to it!!
    
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    June 19, 2019 1:19pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Bloody oath @ 9:19, 19, 19. too ?
      
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      June 19, 2019 4:02pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Ducks that have the muscle density to fly long distances aren’t the most tender things.
  A bit like eating a helicopter.
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:29am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did one for 6 hours in the slow cooker last week with an orange marinade – the meet just fell off the bones and made fab sammies 🙂
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:41am
    - Inandout
      
      Yes, old Gran used to stuff a whole orange in the guts of the duck to help soften the meat. Pukeko soup took many hours of cooking though.
      
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      June 20, 2019 9:24am
- All_on_Red
  
  Just use the breasts and throw away the rest
  – I am talking about the Duck…
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:44am
  - alloytoo
    
    of course you are.
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:50am
  - freethinker
    
    Which Duck are we talking about?
    
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    June 19, 2019 1:20pm
- Rob2
  
  Local girls shop have them think that they call them “dildo’s”
  
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  June 19, 2019 7:40pm
Rodney Randall

I witnessed the Chief Science Advisor to the Prime Minister refer to a photo of New Zealand Scientists the other day.

Professor Juliet Gerrard presented a photo of some New Zealand scientists and asked the question “What is WRONG with this photo?” to an unsuspecting audience.

When the audience failed to respond she stated:

“THEY ARE ALL MALE AND PAKEHA”

She went on to state that: “There is a lot of work to do”
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June 19, 2019 8:59am
- alloytoo
  
  “There is a lot of work to do”
  
  and it’s apparently all been done by pale males.
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:18am
- MrTips
  
  Rodney: where? and to whom?
  If what you say is true, she has just bought herself a war
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:27am
  - Alien
    
    No, because in reality the media won’t care, no one will care, next scandal please oh wait no one will care about that either. Take your happy bills and dream John key is still pm, instead of the lying pile of mess we have now
    
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    June 19, 2019 12:48pm
    - Inandout
      
      Alien, and this is why papers aren’t selling, the evening news is not being watched as much and people get online for an escape. Our MSM is basically irrelevant.
      
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      June 20, 2019 9:27am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Another empty headed sexist racist bigoted SJW then? Fucking great.
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:35am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Surely then a Green party list member?
    
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    June 19, 2019 3:14pm
- Ruawai
  
  Does she think male pakehas are not good at science?
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:56am
  - alloytoo
    
    What are these “Male Pakehas” where of she speaks?
    
    Are they some sort of bird?
    
    or is it just plain old fashioned “Hate Speech”
    
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    June 19, 2019 10:44am
    - Jules99
      
      The live in some strange place called Aotearoa, wherever that is.
      
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      June 19, 2019 2:51pm
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND … ANZ Bank Key / Hisco circus … continues …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/links-19-june-2019/#comment-3372095

ANZ completed probe into Hisco’s expenses before staff were told of sick leave | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113589665/anz-completed-probe-into-hiscos-expenses-before-staff-were-told-of-sick-leave
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Google New Zealand Search ‘ANZ David Hisco’ …

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=2hkJXZiIFNK7rQGkjKLQBA&q=anz+david+hisco&oq=anz+david+hisco&gs_l=psy-ab.12..
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June 19, 2019 9:01am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Remember then ANZ NZ Bank CEO David Hisco discussing the housing bubble with Interest Co NZ Gareth Vaughan back in 2016 ? …
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY1bZil2KbY&feature=youtu.be
  
  He will be well aware the housing bubble party days are over.
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:56am
- Tony Stuart
  
  What’s your opinion of the PM’s former Chief of Staff’s undeclared conflict of interest Hugh. After all, the PM is supposed to manage such things. Even hardcore lefties are saying that it is a terrible look for the PM, especially when it emerges that one of his PR company’s clients was Huawei…
  
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  June 19, 2019 10:28am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/links-19-june-2019/#comment-3372231
    
    ANZ’s former boss David Hisco clocked up nearly $450k a year in expenses … Kate MacNamara … Stuff NZ
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113599166/anzs-former-boss-david-hisco-clocked-up-nearly-450k-a-year-in-expenses
    
    ANALYSIS: David Hisco’s bill for the perks of the top job at ANZ New Zealand was an extraordinary A$464,599 last year, but that’s the tip of the iceberg.
    
    His “non monetary benefits,” have averaged A$418,855 (NZ$441,116) a year, for a total of $3.35 million across his eight full financial years in ANZ New Zealand’s top job. All figures are additional to Hisco’s multi-million-dollar salary.
    
    Over that time, Hisco’s expenses have outstripped his executive colleagues by an extraordinary measure. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    June 19, 2019 11:36am
    - Alien
      
      So that’s a no comment then, or just only allowed to post what the boss tells you
      
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      June 19, 2019 12:46pm
softail 1450

Happy ,seriously, a big percentage of NZs population are as thick as F—-K ,even well off smart ones are easily duped, a case in point would be the fools that have bought houses down at Hobsonville Point at ridiculously high prices because the advertising described it as “waterside living”.
I defy anyone to find a house down at that dump within 100 metres of the water,the place reeks of cheap chinese plywood and no more gaps filler.
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June 19, 2019 9:04am
- secondcumming
  
  With you there ST. Headed out that way for lunch with some mates a few weeks ago. What a joke! Beer 10 bucks a glass, pizzas 30!!
  The new ‘housing’ development was a real eye-opener……rows of identical five story apartments lining the main drag, most with washing drying on the balconies.
  
  Can hardly wait to go for another look in about 5 years time….should be interesting 😎
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:26am
  - freethinker
    
    The new slums?
    
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    June 19, 2019 1:31pm
- Jules99
  
  Didn’t I see that there are a lot of empty houses there?
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:30am
  - softail 1450
    
    Jules 99 ,didnt notice any signs but then again we were in a hurry to leave the overated overpriced abortion of a development .
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:45am
- stephieboy
  
  softail 1450, your not easily duped?
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:46am
  - JibberJabber
    
    you`re.
    
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    June 19, 2019 11:13am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Bit of a stretch expecting Stephie to know how to spell simple words.
      
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      June 19, 2019 1:11pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ll guarantee they will leak, have fire separation issues and structural issues. Watch out for the building wrap and Herald articles in three to five year’s time.
  
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  June 19, 2019 10:23am
trout

More info on the perils of legalizing cannabis (from the Washington Post). How could we be so stupid as to facilitate the conversion of the youth in the north to zombies. The cannabis tax is proving very lucrative for the State authorities; so they collect millions and spend it to try and reduce the harm – tobacco anyone? And note that cannabis is now becoming popular as a drug of choice for the vaping brigade.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/potent-pot-vulnerable-teens-trigger-concerns-in-first-states-to-legalize-marijuana/2019/06/15/52df638a-8c9a-11e9-8f69-a2795fca3343_story.html?utm_term=.35e42a9e00ba
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June 19, 2019 9:13am
KevO'Brien

Did we get USA permission? World news for the wrong reasons:
“New Zealand government website erases Israel from map, replaces it with Palestine.”
https://www.rt.com/news/462157-new-zealand-israel-map/
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June 19, 2019 9:19am
- stephieboy
  
  There is historical precedence,
  
  “..In 132 CE, the Emperor Hadrian joined the province of Judea (comprising Samaria, Judea proper, and Idumea) with Galilee to form new province of Syria Palaestina. Hadrian probably chose a name that revived the ancient name of Philistia (Palestine), combining it with that of the neighboring province of Syria, in an attempt to suppress Jewish connection to the land..”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#Roman_Judea
  
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  June 19, 2019 10:15am
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA … HOUSING … What are the consequences when this Ponzi collapses ? …

China’s home prices growth fastest in five months, raises policy challenge – Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-houseprices/chinas-home-prices-growth-fastest-in-five-months-raises-policy-challenge-idUSKCN1TJ04J

… important earlier reports …

China’s debt disease is infecting its housing market — Gwynn Guilford – Quartz

https://qz.com/1615596/chinas-debt-disease-is-infecting-its-housing-market/

China’s empty homes may prove a bigger threat than Donald Trump’s tariffs … Michael Janda … ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/china-vacant-property-empty-homes-donald-trump-tariffs/11082900
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June 19, 2019 9:26am
- Garbageman
  
  2 post only 6 links cmon Hugh you gotta pump those numbers up m8
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:39am
- Cobolt24
  
  Auckland property prices experience biggest slump in five years | Stuff
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  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/113573730/auckland-property-prices-experience-biggest-slump-in-five-years
  
  AUSTRALIA: House price downturn spreads from Sydney and Melbourne to affordable Adelaide and Hobart | Domain
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  https://www.domain.com.au/news/house-price-downturn-spreads-from-sydney-and-melbourne-to-affordable-adelaide-and-hobart-849809/
  
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  June 19, 2019 10:17am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    And the gains for that 5 year period?
    
    A 2% drop will take them back to about Jan 2018 at best, so I’ll just have to content myself with a 48% (63% in real terms) instead of 50% increase. Mind you my 120% (180%) increase in the value of my beach house will cushion the blow a little.
    
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    June 19, 2019 1:11pm
Scott

I was very disturbed to see that Philip Arps was jailed for 21 months for simply sharing the video of the mosque massacres in Christchurch. It appears that a factor in the sentence was that he was committing a “hate crime”. This meant that he showed insufficient empathy to the Muslims and also that he is a generally horrible person who is bordering on a neo-Nazi.

I would remind people that justice is supposed to be blind. So even though Mr Arps can be reasonably described as an antisocial prick, that should not be a factor in his sentencing. This is where the concept of “hate crime” becomes a dubious hammer that shatters the concept of equal justice before the law. So for example if the person sharing the video like Mr Arps had showed empathy towards Muslims and was not a neo-Nazi would he or she have received a much lighter sentence?

The whole concept of hate crime is a terrible one that has a potential of wrecking our justice system and should be got rid of immediately. Although Mr Arps is demonstrably not a nice person it seems a very harsh sentence for simply sharing a video?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/113588866/unrepentant-hardcore-white-supremacist-jailed-after-sharing-terror-video
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June 19, 2019 9:43am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps you should read the article you linked to, or the judge’s sentencing in full.
  
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  June 19, 2019 11:00am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who’s next?
  
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  June 19, 2019 11:03am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Who will be the next to celebrate and incite mass murder?
    
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    June 19, 2019 1:57pm
- Jack5
  
  MODERATOR: I posted this lower in the thread in error and have been trying to delete that post. Can you delete it please?
  
  As Philip Neville Arps begins his 14 month jail sentence in Christchurch, apparently in isolation, there has been reaction to a report of this in Britain’s Daily Mail.
  
  Most of the comments to the report criticise a jail sentence for such an offence as Arp’s (distributing live-streamed video of the mosques massacres). Hundreds of people have given them upticks, and outumber those giving them downticks.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7151849/Man-jailed-sharing-sickening-footage-Christchurch-terror-attack.html
  
  There’s also a discussion of the sentence on Reddit:
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/c1wjmk/new_zealand_man_sentenced_to_21_months_in_prison/
  
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  June 19, 2019 11:04am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Does this mean (gasp) that people who like the Daily Mail are disproportionately appreciative of videos celebrtaing the massacre of Muslims?
    Well, that’s surely a surprise.
    
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    June 19, 2019 2:00pm
- SGA
  
  for simply sharing the video of the mosque massacres in Christchurch.
  
  “simply”, Scott – really? He sent away the video to have it modified with cross-hairs and a “kill count”. That’s not “simply” in my book, sorry.
  
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  June 19, 2019 11:14am
  - Martin Williams
    
    Yeah. It’s like saying National “simply” did a google search for the budget.
    
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    June 19, 2019 11:33am
    - Tall Man
      
      Or that ardern simply forgot to tell the truth.
      
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      June 19, 2019 4:19pm
    - Alien
      
      Not very good with technology are you martin
      
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      June 19, 2019 5:08pm
  - Scott
    
    SGA – fair enough. But it is what he did so bad that he should be sent away to jail for nearly 2 years? We can all agree that he is not a nice person. We can all agree that he is racist and at best has neo-Nazi sympathies.
    
    However he did not make the video, he had no hand in the Christchurch massacre, he is not an accomplice of the shooter.
    
    In my mind the sentence is disproportionate to the actual crime. In my mind justice has not been blind.
    
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    June 19, 2019 11:36am
    - SGA
      
      Scott,
      If you want to argue the length of sentence fine – but be honest about Arps. To say “he is demonstrably not a nice person [but] it seems a very harsh sentence for simply sharing a video” is selling the situation well short.
      
      Arps has a string of convictions including an incident where he and two associates delivered pigs heads to a mosque. Arps said he’d prefer to deliver “molotov cocktails … get the fuckers out, the rules are changing, bring on the cull”. A cull is the selective slaughter of animals, btw.
      
      He reaction to the Chch massacre wasn’t “simple” – he had a copy of the video modified with cross hairs and a body count and illegally distributed it.
      
      Is it that bizarre than the judge thought this crime was motivated by hate?
      
      To address one of your questions – “So for example if the person sharing the video like Mr Arps had showed empathy towards Muslims and was not a neo-Nazi would he or she have received a much lighter sentence?”
      Yes, and quite rightly, if they were “simply” sharing the video.
      
      You may still believe that Arps deserved a lighter sentence – fine (I’m mixed on that myself). But your efforts to whitewash his present and past behaviour leaves me rather cold.
      
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      June 19, 2019 12:24pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Yeah he’s genuinely a piece of shit, but seems to be some wrongness in his conviction and sentencing that it was done on the basis of his beliefs and assumed offence taken by 3rd parties more than his actions, that were seemingly victimless. What Billl Maher calls ‘performative wokeness’. Thought policing is wrong, as is the appalling contrast/hypocrisy/judicial activism of the same judge giving a non-custodial sentence to a jihadist planning to murder people a couple of years back. Is this a judge or a left wing activist?
        
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        June 19, 2019 3:13pm
      - SGA
        
        but seems to be some wrongness in his conviction
        
        Don’t know why you said that bit – he pleaded guilty.
        
        As for the sentencing – it does seem harsh compared to sentences given for other crimes, granted. From what I’ve read, he didn’t do himself any favours – completely unrepentant, told the judge the video was “awesome”, and suchlike.
        
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        June 19, 2019 6:55pm
    - Alien
      
      It was a video of people being murdered , shared for entertainment. Edited to make it, I don’t know, putting a kill count and a cross hair on it, why would someone do that. because he didn’t harm someone personally do you think he should get a smaller or no sentence? Should a person that downloads child porn get no sentence because they didn’t physically harm the child? Both should get the book thrown at them
      
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      June 19, 2019 12:43pm
    - srylands
      
      It will be interesting to see the Appeal result.
      
      The guy is a scary piece of shit. But there are hundreds of scary POS in New Zealand. Some of them seem to offend multiple times and bash and terrorise before they get sent to prison.
      
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      June 19, 2019 12:52pm
      - Scott
        
        srylands-I don’t disagree with you that this guy is scary and a bad person. However the punishment should fit the crime. And two years in prison seems excessive to me.
        
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        June 19, 2019 3:35pm
      - Rob2
        
        No worse than our homegrown Mongrels and black Powers and their new master the Comancheros and all. I see another murder in Wairoa today. Gang-related , well has to be.
        Some nice person with a shooter sent him to heaven.
        
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        June 19, 2019 7:34pm
    - MCos
      
      It was his second conviction for loathsome behaviour towards Muslims in Christchurch.
      
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      June 19, 2019 1:02pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Is it wrong of me to suspect that Scott hares Arps’s deeply felt antipathy towards Muslims (among other groups) and so can’t really help feeling sympathy for someone who in Scott’s eye was just a tiny bit over zealaous?
        
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      - Jack5
        
        Scott can question the severity or otherwise of Arps’s sentence without taking a position on Islam.
        
        Compared with the same judge’s sentence of supervision for the young man who planned an ISIL-style massacre in Christchurch, the Arps sentence, on the face of it, seems harsh.
        
        Apparently Arps is in virtual solitary confinement – for his own safety.
        
        In 2015, after a five-year revision process the United Nations General Assembly adopted standard minimum rules for the treatment of prisoners (the Mandela Rules).
        
        According to the Humanitarian Law & Policy Blog, which is hosted by the International Red Cross, solitary confinement is defined as :
        
        The confinement of prisoners for 22 hours or more a day without meaningful human contact.
        
        The blog says, that, in essence, the practice implies that one person is confined to a cell where he or she will eat, sleep and spend the majority of each and every day and night alone.
        
        Under Rule 43 of the UN’s Mandela Rules, prolonged solitary confinement is prohibited. Rule 44 defines prolonged solitary confinement as confinement in excess of 15 consecutive days.
        
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        June 19, 2019 2:39pm
      - Batman
        
        I would have thought that the fact he is being kept in solitary shows exactly why he got the sentence he did.
        
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        June 19, 2019 2:42pm
      - Scott
        
        Mikey – well I have often said that the evil Australian who actually did these things should be punished most severely. I would actually recommend bringing back capital punishment for this fellow.
        
        But regarding the fellow who shared the video, I don’t particularly have empathy for him. I have never watched the video of the massacre nor would I nor would I share it.
        
        The murder of 51 people in Christchurch was probably the most evil act ever perpetrated on New Zealand soil. It is not something that any right-thinking person could sympathise with.
        
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        June 19, 2019 3:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m very sorry, Scott. It was very wrong of me to suggest that your uncharacteristic concern for a sentenced felon having to spend too much time in prison was motivated by anything other than plain Christian charity.
        I look forward to your other examples of sentencing that is much too harsh, and suggestions about how we could avoid sending so many people to jail each year.
        
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        June 19, 2019 9:02pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Interestingly, that Maori chap who was hating outside the mosque has completely disappeared from the media’s attention. I guess he is far enough up the left’s victim pyramid to get a free pass from the media.
  
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  June 19, 2019 11:35am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    The media’s also gone quiet about a racist attack on an Indian guy in Sandringham. Funny that when arrests were made and charges laid there were no descriptions of the defendants.
    
    Similarly odd that when calls were made for witnesses they didn’t include any description of the offenders.
    
    I wonder why?
    
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    June 19, 2019 1:14pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Nothing in the media about the ongoing riots by the ‘yellow jackets’ in Paris. Apparently the non reporting is in the hope of quelling any chance of ‘western spring’ protests.
      
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      June 19, 2019 1:35pm
Happychappy

It won’t take him long Garbageman he is just getting warmed up for his hate session on John Key.
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June 19, 2019 10:00am
secondcumming

Phil Goff “wants a please explain…..” from Auckland Transport over delays with the Rail Network

That’ll get ’em quaking in their boots. LOL!!
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June 19, 2019 10:07am
- waikatogirl
  
  How come Aucklanders’ are paying a tax on petrol to ease the traffic delays in Auckland and so far, the delays are just getting worse? What do you say Goff?? Twyford?? JAG?? Cindy???
  
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  June 19, 2019 11:44am
  - Alien
    
    Hmmm, are they really paying tax, our petrol is more expensive than theirs without the tax on it.
    
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    June 19, 2019 12:39pm
- sooty
  
  Just tell um it’s all Phill Twyfords fault!
  
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  June 19, 2019 11:59am
Ross12

Is this a reflection of our education system or the extreme leftism, of some in our Government departments ?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/outrage-ensues-after-new-zealand-government-website-publishes-map-labeling-israel-as-palestine/
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June 19, 2019 10:14am
Random T Person

Anyone hear that appallingly patronising interview of David Seymour by HDPA on Newstalk ZB? Utterly shocking.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/david-seymour-responds-to-heather-du-plessis-allans-criticism/
Cast your votes carefully, folks. ACT has mine.
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June 19, 2019 10:39am
- Tricati
  
  HDPA was about as objective as Greenpeace – Interview was a shocker, then tried to justify her position with her next guests.
  
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  June 19, 2019 12:03pm
  - Tall Man
    
    She kept saying “I’m bored of this”.
    
    What fucking language is that? She sounded like a petulant teenager, but more stupid than any I’ve met.
    
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    June 19, 2019 4:17pm
- waikatogirl
  
  HDPA was dismissive of David and Act. What gives her the right to decide Act won’t even be elected next time? She laughed throughout his replies and came across as a complete lefty nutjob. Certainly not a professional or objective journalist.
  
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  June 19, 2019 12:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sounds to me like some of that Barry Sopher she works with has been rubbing off on her.
    
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    June 19, 2019 1:25pm
- Inandout
  
  I don’t listen to HDPA.
  
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  June 20, 2019 9:30am
Tony Stuart

An interesting tweet from National’s finance spokeswoman Amy Adams:

Amy Adams @amyadamsMP

Gabriel Makhlouf fails to front at FEC budget hearings. Treasury officials tell us that “in the circumstances” they felt if it was better that they appeared without him.

https://twitter.com/amyadamsMP/status/1141098389439840261

I would have thought that “in the circumstances” was EXACTLY why Makhlouf SHOULD be fronting the Finance and Expenditure Committee this morning. So I wonder who advised those Treasury officials below the level of the CEO not to bring the CEO along with them.

Is this another attempt by the Beehive at damage limitation?
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June 19, 2019 10:52am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Probhably a good move. Did anyone want an FEC hearing on the budget and Vote Finance to waste all it’s time on the Makhlouf hoo-ha?
  Maybe it would make good TV – 90 minutes of the Makhlouf saying that he can’t make any further comment before the inquiry reports, while the Minister asks if there are any questions about the actual budget?
  
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  June 19, 2019 11:16am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    So holding the Minister and Treasury CEO accountable for a colossal stuff-up doesn’t enter into it then mikenmild? The significance or otherwise of the “actual Budget” went out the window when Treasury’s woeful web security was exposed.
    
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    June 19, 2019 11:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Really? You don’t think the FEC should scrutinise the budget?
      
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      June 19, 2019 12:49pm
Jack5

[Mod; Deleted at Jack5’s request]
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June 19, 2019 11:01am
Maggie Pie

Ever tried phoning Kelly Tarltons to make a group booking?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9RSqqQWwAAoxZ2?format=jpg&name=medium

🙂
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June 19, 2019 11:02am
- jonno1
  
  Made a phone booking at Sealife Hawaii a few months ago, and yes it did take some time. However, it was for 15 people on the same day for the dolphin experience so required splitting into two groups. The agent could not have been more helpful, suggesting the most efficient times etc. Full marks to Sealife from me.
  
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  June 19, 2019 5:40pm
sooty

Is Phill Twyford in whitless protection or has Cindy made him turn up for work?
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June 19, 2019 12:04pm
krazykiwi

A mob of Muslim activists sacked and set fire to a Christian church in Niger this weekend to protest the arrest of an influential imam.

These people are clearly not hearing the “we are one” words of our fearless PM. Perhaps she could don a hipster hajib and pop over to offer advice, and a few hugs?
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June 19, 2019 12:19pm
Cobolt24

Trump live in Orlando:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qkl62CmVOY
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June 19, 2019 12:57pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Was he at the Make America Straight Again conference?
  
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  June 19, 2019 1:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    100,000 pre sold tickets and not a kindy kid among them… Not ardern’s cup of tea.
    
    Look at the video… 15.000 up votes…780 down votes.
    
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    June 19, 2019 4:11pm
- Inandout
  
  More people at the rally than were watching CNN I presume.
  
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  June 19, 2019 5:27pm
Happychappy

The Health Budget didn’t get enough Money the Minister tells National Leader Simon Bridges so where am I going to get it from he asks , then Simon rattles of a list of unessissery spending from
the Labour lead Coalition.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/113599454/simon-bridges-someone-i-know-well-looking-to-go-overseas-for-health-treatment
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June 19, 2019 1:07pm
- mandk
  
  NZers finding it necessary to go overseas for medical treatment.
  
  When did we hear about this before?
  
  Ah, yes. It was when Labour were last in power and ended up sending cancer patients to Australia for treatment because they couldn’t get it here.
  
  How long before it happens again?
  
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  June 19, 2019 1:21pm
Maggie Pie

I spent the best part of 11 years at a Catholic boarding school in Wellington – thank God there were no creeps like this about at that time 🙁

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1141148625105510400
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June 19, 2019 1:17pm
- Alien
  
  Had a creep like that at intermediate, got caught by the girls. Then had a real nice teacher in high school that failed two girls so they started making false claims and wrecked his career.
  
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  June 19, 2019 1:33pm
Fletch

I went to my local Countdown supermarket a few days ago for some groceries only to be told that even the thicker white plastic bags are not available now. Nope, just about any plastic bag is banned now. I had to spend an extra $1 to get one of the black bags., although the checkout girl told me that new paper bags would be coming in soon.

This totally makes no sense at all. I doubt whether paper bags would be very reusable, either for carrying goods OR as bin liners. The whole bag ban was stupid and will end up being less useful for the customer, and worse for the environment.

I bought an electronic item from JB Hi-Fi a few weeks back and was told (again) that there was no bag. So I ended up having to carry a middle-sized box under my arm for a fairly expensive item where everyone could see what it was. In other words, I couldn’t stop off in other stores or go get something to eat from the food court without taking it to the car first because it was cumbersome to carry.

As I said, STUPID. Someone needs to start a campaign to bring back the bag.
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June 19, 2019 1:55pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You could be that someone. Have you ever been a someone? Start a petition, make some placards, picket a paper bag factory, etc, etc. You could be the vanguard of an important social movement…[insert Redbaiter quote].
  
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  June 19, 2019 2:06pm
- Martin Williams
  
  Just remember your reusable bags next time.
  
  Simple.
  
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  June 19, 2019 2:13pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Wasn’t aware that the reusable ones were banned.
    
    I can never be bothered anyway, 2 options if I get to the checkout and there are no bags – either I’m taking my basket to the car or the puchases get dumped, up to Countdown to choose.
    
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    June 19, 2019 3:20pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    and TBH marty, like a lot of people i know, ive got better things to think about.
    
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    June 19, 2019 3:51pm
- Alien
  
  I remember the old paper bags at the supermarkets, used to use them for bin liners then, if they are the same strength as then will be able to use them now. But alas I see they hav Meade advances overseas with plastic that will be far better to recycle.
  
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  June 19, 2019 2:33pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Countdown chappie talking about replacing the plastic bags in the fruit and vege area, also putting more misting over the fruit and veges to keep them fresh….
    Have they thought this through? Wet veges in non plastic/paper bags = chaos.
    
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    June 19, 2019 3:42pm
    - Alien
      
      I can’t remember how fruit and vegetables used to be packed.
      
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      June 19, 2019 4:05pm
      - sooty
        
        Hemp Sacks!
        
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        June 19, 2019 5:08pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”I can’t remember how fruit and vegetables used to be packed.”…..
        
        They weren’t as such. Spuds were freighted in cwt bags same as most root veges. Onions in 50lb string bags. Cabbages, caulis, apples & most fruit were packed in wooden crates.
        
        At the retail level (fruiterers not supermarkets) sold from the display. Greens were wrapped in newspaper & everything else was put into brown paper bags at point of sale.
        
        Meat & fish were wrapped in grease proof paper then unprinted newspaper.
        
        Even your Saturday night prophylactics were sold in brown paper bags at the barbers!
        
        The use of plastic for wrapping & carrying everything coincided with the advent of chain supermarkets.
        
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        June 19, 2019 6:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Make Plastic Bags Great Again.
  There’s your slogan, go for it
  
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  June 19, 2019 4:08pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Agree.
  Stop going to Countdown, go to Pak’n Save and take your stuff away in the cardboard boxes they have at the front door.
  Then vote National and have all this crap turned on its head.
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:17pm
hullkiwi

The contempt the current government have for Parliament and New Zealanders is boundless.

This morning, we get the fine example of the departing Secretary to the Treasury failing to appear before the Parliamentary Select Committee to answer questions with the Minister of Finance about the budget.

Below is a Horrid link with the story.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12241871

This is contempt of New Zealanders orchestrated by the CoL to protect Tweedle Dumb (PriNZess) and Tweedle Dee (Robbo).

Imagine if Key and English had pulled a stunt like this, the media would be shouting from the roof tops about it.

But, I suppose it is ok when the left do it, hey Martin Williams, Stephie and MMA.
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June 19, 2019 2:39pm
Happychappy

Shane Jones using his mouth instead of his brain again.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2019/06/offensive-and-cheap-rural-lobby-group-denies-minister-shane-jones-claims.amp.html
When will the people in this country wake up to the fact that the Coalition have only one policy and that is just blame National.
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June 19, 2019 2:47pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  And what if it is?
  
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  June 20, 2019 12:52am
stephieboy

Certainly one of the great moments in the world of sport when in 2011 the Japanese Womens Soccer team made it the world cup final and ,beat against the odds , the favourites ,the United States on a penalty shoot out 5/4.

A team that had to cut back their evening practice preparations due to the shutdown of the Fukushima Nuclear Power station.It forced cut backs in power supplies to Tokyo. The victory lifted the nations spirits after the devastating earthquake and Tsunami of that year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csym6b

Really worth 10 mins of your time!
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June 19, 2019 2:52pm
Maggie Pie

Watched QT this arvo – is it just me, or does anyone else think that most of the National members look a lot more vital and attractive than their Labor counterparts?
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June 19, 2019 2:58pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Chosen for their looks, you think?
  
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  June 19, 2019 3:40pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Its funny you should say that mikey.
    Me and my partner have both become quite adroit at recognizing Labor and Green voters. Starts with them either riding a bike or driving an old smoke blowing Jap import. Then there’s the clothes, greasy hair, and of course their general demeanour. My partner reckons he can pick ’em a mile away.
    And amazingly, we’ve never seen anybody that fits that description living on the Northern Slopes.
    
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    June 19, 2019 4:07pm
    - sooty
      
      You forgot the smell!
      
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      June 19, 2019 5:06pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        You’re being a bit rough there soots.
        
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        June 19, 2019 6:07pm
oob

In New Zealand’s very own Orwellian nightmare, the government is now tracking the location of citizens in realtime.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1906/S00080/stats-nz-phone-companies-to-track-peoples-movements.htm
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June 19, 2019 3:08pm
- sooty
  
  That’s going to be intersting!
  How secure is it and who can access it?
  
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  June 19, 2019 5:04pm
- nasska
  
  Does anyone remember a fear held by more than a few that we would eventually be microchipped like dogs so that we could be tracked?
  
  It didn’t need anything so medically intrusive to give all details of our private lives to Government snoops. We willingly buy smartphones & pay telecoms to do the job for them.
  
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  June 19, 2019 5:37pm
Alien

So if you haven’t paid enough, no probs, if you have bad too much, tough luck. This is a bad call from ird

“Inland Revenue (IRD) has revealed that almost one million New Zealanders paid too much tax last year, but they won’t receive a refund.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2019/06/ird-says-950-000-kiwis-paid-too-much-tax-won-t-get-it-back.html
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June 19, 2019 3:10pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  A-holes!
  
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  June 19, 2019 4:13pm
KevO'Brien

QT today: Simon hit PM with question on NZ’s economic downturn. Ardern hopelessly out of her depth. Robertson and Peters had to run flack for her.

Good one Simon.
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June 19, 2019 3:25pm
- Alien
  
  Simon should of put the question on notice that way she wouldn’t of been able to hide behind the lie, I dont have those figures with me….
  
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  June 19, 2019 4:03pm
  - oob
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/general_debate_11_june_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2507014
    
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    June 19, 2019 5:12pm
    - Alien
      
      No thanks, I don’t care, move on and deal with the subject
      
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      June 19, 2019 6:25pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The question was on notice. Ardern had to waffle on economics which I have taught at an elementary level. I am sure GR is very little better and the question showed how bereft of basic knowledge the COL are. Pity Muldoon is not here to school her.
    
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    June 19, 2019 7:01pm
  - rockape
    
    I suspect that will be done tomorrow when Jacinda is away and the brain dead Winston has to answer.
    
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    June 19, 2019 10:29pm
- Scooter
  
  Link to see please, I like to have a laugh
  
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  June 19, 2019 9:15pm
Skinny White Boy

Has Donkey Chops been coached by Clare Curran?
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June 19, 2019 4:46pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113621861/air-new-zealand-chief-executive-announces-resignation

Be prepared for some anouncement about AirNZ which won’t be good !
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June 19, 2019 6:41pm
- sooty
  
  Nah, he’s standing somewhere for Labour!
  I wonder if it could be as list MP for Kiwibuild?
  
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  June 19, 2019 7:20pm
- Alien
  
  The guy wants to enter politics by the look of the article, so doubt there will be any sort of news about air nz that isn’t good
  
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  June 19, 2019 7:27pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I wonder if it’s connected with his decision to buy a plane (787-1000) that he thinks can get to New York when it can barely get past Texas.
    Somebody has set him up.
    Politician? I don’t think so.
    
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    June 19, 2019 9:24pm
Rob2

yea, if Key is on any other board then that CEO will be looking around. that’s two down. ANZ t go back to its former miserable and lacklustre anti-customer attitudes and Air NZ to lose it’s a spark. Become a gouging monopoly again.

It’s time.
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June 19, 2019 7:20pm
sooty

Shit the baby will not be enough to wipe up all the shit that’s happening in Labour!
Better roll out the wedding to soak up the remains!
How about a womans weekly suck up!
Horrible Retched Harridan Cindy!
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June 19, 2019 7:24pm
Alien

Don’t you know you never mess with a boy and his game console….

“https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/113617181/an-11yearold-boy-stopped-a-thief-with-his-machete”

When he came to Braydon’s room, the man peeked through door with the rifle.

“He grabbed my machete and told me to sit on the ground and get in the closet,” Braydon said.

Braydon obeyed, until the man turned his back as he walked into the living room and started to pocket Braydon’s cell phone.

Braydon picked up the machete the man had dropped on the floor and swung it at him, striking him in the back of the neck.

The man kicked Braydon a few times and pushed him down, he said.

Braydon swung the machete again but missed.

The man tried to grab the PlayStation and television.

“He noticed that he was bleeding in the back of the head really badly,” Braydon said. “So he just dropped everything and ran out of the door.”
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June 19, 2019 7:26pm
Alien

“Newshub understands gun owners will not be paid full retail price by the Government for their firearms – but it won’t be far off.

The Government is set to announce the full details of the gun buyback on Thursday, and owners of banned firearms could be set for disappointment.

An extensive, lengthy price list will be published, it’s understood every single model has been priced, and three price points have been formulated for each.

A bottom-end price for guns in poor condition
A middle-of-the-road price for those in average condition
And a top-end price for near-new guns”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/exclusive-gun-buyback-details-revealed.html
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June 19, 2019 7:44pm
Happychappy

Only 650 new Police recruits out of a total of 1800 promised by the Coalition in their first three years. Asked if the total will be reached Stuart Nash said it is a inspirational total and it wouldn’t matter as they were rebuilding our Police Force.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/target-1800-police-aspirational-says-minister-only-650-recruited
Another fail from our PM and Police Minister and they don’t seem to care.
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June 19, 2019 7:46pm
MickMac

Is this the same as our ditsy leader?

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/06/13/theresa-may-1-trillion-net-zero-carbon-suicide-note/
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