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wreck1080

I read that people are complaining about cyfs (old name) are taking 5 newborn babies away from mothers each week. I say good, it takes serious circumstances to reach that point. I believe a judge needs to approve the removal too. These do-gooders need to STFU.

I bet these people are also the first to complain when babies die at the hands of their parents.

Then , they also say it is racist….. they don’t get that the problem is socio economic, not racist.

If people didn’t abuse their kids, commit crimes, take drugs, then they wouldn’t have them taken away.
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June 14, 2019 8:04am
- Notsofast
  
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  Yes but the evidence shows something quite different. The outcome is very often worse, an inconvenient truth for these gestapo like thugs.
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    Are you saying it would be better to leave these kids with their abusive drugged up parents?
    
    Remember these are only extreme cases. People who can barely cope with their own bodily functions, let alone care for a baby.
    
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    June 14, 2019 8:45am
    - Notsofast
      
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      Very often is my choice of words, there is detail to add. Specific cases and a statistical conclusion, it is important to understand that psychologists are unprofessional guessworkers. Look at Nigel Latta for living and lurid proof.
      
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      June 14, 2019 8:55am
      - cmm
        
        The system does drop the ball on occasion by:
        1) Sometimes taking kids that didn’t need to be taken. But here’s the thing: society is not tolerant of the system making mistakes. If a kid gets hurt/killed the cry goes out: “Why didn’t CYFS do something?” So that requires the system to err on the side of safety and take more kids away than necessary. Even still, many slip through the net and are still killed by their caregivers.
        
        2) Getting infiltrated by creeps that abuse kids. Sure that happens, but, on average, the kids would be worse off left with their parents.
        
        What people want is a perfect system that only ever takes away kids who would 100% have been abused and get it right 100% of the time. Real life is more messy than that.
        
        And, remember, the only reason that CYFS etc have to exist in the first place is shit parents and shit families. Let’s put the major blame squarely where it belongs.
        
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        June 14, 2019 9:10am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Gee; I wonder why you’d be so scathing about Nigel Latta NSF. It wouldn’t have anything to do with an excellent episode of Beyond the Darklands, would it?
        
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        June 14, 2019 9:56am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        And it’s not as though they don’t get to see their children. The children should be living in a stable, safe environment and the parent/s can sort themselves out while being allowed safe visits but not be expected to meet the daily demands they aren’t currently capable of fulfilling.
        
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        June 14, 2019 10:06am
      - Notsofast
        
        Well yes, and he violated the professional requirement to interview Mark Lundy before expressing an opinion as a member of the professional body. He has never spoken to Mark Lundy or indeed anyone who is acquainted with the facts in the case.
        
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        June 14, 2019 10:24am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Notsofast believes ‘hammertime’ Lundy was a great dad. So of course is going to take the side of other potential child murderers.
      
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      June 14, 2019 9:41am
      - Notsofast
        
        The supreme court is poised to quash the convictions. They are required by the nature of the appeal to confront all the evidence.
        
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        June 14, 2019 9:50am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        The Supreme Court will find for the Crown. The appeal is only on a very narrow point of law.
        
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        June 14, 2019 11:59am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Gestapo…..Hitler…….Socialist….Leftist……You.
    Hitler was a socialist yet chumps like you love to associate we conservatives incorrectly with him.
    
    Leftists also detest Jews, as did Hitler, putting leftists (like you) on the same side as Hitler.
    
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    June 14, 2019 8:48am
    - stephieboy
      
      kloyd030,false , the first thing he did on gaining power in 1933 was to get rid of and banned the KPD ( Communist party) and other socialist parties .
      
      Next he purged the left faction ( SA )within his own party led by Ernst Rohm 1934.
      
      Then cozied up to German Industrialists like Farben and Krupp etc, etc and reamrmed .
      
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      June 14, 2019 9:09am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Nationalsozialisten.
        
        The name says it.
        
        They wanted state control of everything. Of course getting rid of the closest competition (Communists, other socialists) was essential. And ‘cosying up’ to the big firms meant getting them under their control. Under *state* control.
        
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        June 14, 2019 10:09am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Please don’t talk about things you know NOTHING about.
        
        “kloyd030,false , the first thing he did on gaining power in 1933 was to get rid of and banned the KPD ( Communist party) and other socialist parties .”
        
        He got rid of the competition from the left.
        
        “Next he purged the left faction ( SA )within his own party led by Ernst Rohm 1934.”
        
        They were his “hatchet men”, they got too powerful and challenged him, so he got rid of them.
        
        “Then cozied up to German Industrialists like Farben and Krupp etc, etc and rearmed .”
        
        He FORCED the industrialists to produce what he wanted for war.
        If you were not a member of the Nazi party and produced what the party wanted, you were forced out of business.
        
        Hitler personally, did not seem to give a stuff about socialism, but his party did and it was the best way to take control of the country, media, military and police.
        
        Proof of this was in the actions they took
        EVERYTHING was controlled by the govt.
        He was appointed supreme leader and talked about in almost God like tones ” Hitler is the state and the state is Hitler”…like EVERY other leftie dictator before and since.
        These are not the actions of genuine right leaning govt.s and NEVER have been.
        
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        June 14, 2019 10:18am
      - cmm
        
        “the first thing he did on gaining power in 1933 was to get rid of and banned the KPD ( Communist party) and other socialist parties .”
        
        Correct. stephie gets a cookie! Socialists hate competition. They fight amongst themselves over which brand of socialism is best.
        
        To try paint Nazis as capitalists is absurd. Look at VW: socialist through and through – from day one and still socialist.
        
        The German Industrialists knew they had better play along or get their factories nationalised. Indeed, they were partially nationalised anyway.
        
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        June 14, 2019 11:12am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        stephieboy
        All that shows is that Leftists don’t really mind who they liquidate, even if they are fellow Leftists. The Soviets and the National Socialists were both virulently left wing Statists, just as inter-sect violence occurs within the same religion. The main difference between Fascism and Communism is that the commies go all the way and directly own and control the resources. The Fascists retain ‘private’ ownership, but suffocatingly regulate it. The State and corporations work hand in glove to oppress the populace.
        Hitler detested the German Communist party because they affiliated themselves with the Soviet Communists. Therefore, Hitler felt they were ‘selling out’ their own nation. “Socialism, please, but not International Communism.” It also didn’t help that many Soviet Communists were also Jewish.
        
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        June 14, 2019 11:44am
      - SGA
        
        @RW Capitalist
        
        Proof of this was in the actions they took
        EVERYTHING was controlled by the govt.
        He was appointed supreme leader and talked about in almost God like tones ” Hitler is the state and the state is Hitler”…like EVERY other leftie dictator before and since.
        These are not the actions of genuine right leaning govt.s and NEVER have been.
        
        More as historical trivia than anything, the political terms “right” and “left” had their origin during the French revolution. Those that sat on the “right” of parliment were supporters on the monarchy and the aristocracy (who had Hitler-like powers). Over time, the term has become more associated with capitalist economic views.
        
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        June 14, 2019 11:58am
    - Notsofast
      
      Gestapo removed people from their environment.
      So do these ne’er do well psychologists and social workers. Nothing leftist saying that, these social workers are glue for the left.
      
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      June 14, 2019 9:14am
      - stephieboy
        
        Dachau, Belsen, Flossenburg etc, etc ” an environment” ??
        
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        June 14, 2019 10:02am
    - SGA
      
      meh – from what I can tell anti-semitism, racism, authoritarianism, etc, pretty much run orthogonal to people’s views on the economy. There are right-wing (and left wing) people who dislike or distrust Jews (some have posted here extensively over the years – Reid and (((EAD))) spring immediately to mind), and most of the Jews I know probably vote Labour or Green (I’m sure that others are strong ACT or National supporters). While Brendan Tarrant’s views on our economic system would have found more favour at the Standard (I’m guessing), his views on immigration would have found more favour here. People are much more complex than the simple Left-Right dichotomy that people fall back on.
      
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      June 14, 2019 9:43am
  - mandk
    
    What’s worse than being shaken to death by your mum’s latest boyfriend?
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:10am
  - calendar girl
    
    “…. gestapo like thugs.”
    
    Moderators appear not to be interested in that one.
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:51am
    - Notsofast
      
      Nor should they be.
      There is hard international evidence and a vast range of local cases proving these people are not just acting badly, but with the bad intent that accompanies supreme arrogance.
      Not always clearly, but so often that the kids are statistically way better where they are with on site support for the parents.
      
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      June 14, 2019 11:29am
    - Tall Man
      
      Didn’t see it describing ardern so it’s ok.
      
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      June 14, 2019 11:35am
  - Micky
    
    In the interests of balance – I think there was a story a few months back about OT taking a child off a mother because she was deaf.
    
    Some of the ‘social workers’ are as thick as some of the worst parents and the power goes to their heads.
    
    The system definitely needs a tidy up.
    
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    June 14, 2019 12:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I agree with you 100% ‘wreck’ – there has been so much of this swept under the carpet!
  Did you see the older blond woman who appeared on TV3 ‘The Project’ last night? (Christine somebody) – she summed the situation up beautifully, much to the chagrin of the Maori girl doing the interview. Its worth a replay.
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:54am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Still, this is a disturbing report of a foster child being taken from her foster parents this morning.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/first-up/audio/2018699557/oranga-tamariki-rejects-couple-s-request-to-foster-child-for-not-being-european
  
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  June 14, 2019 9:03am
  - Komata
    
    Maggy@0903
    
    Thank you. It would seem that the social worker concerned has some explaining to do, although dollar to a donut that she (it is unlikely to be a male), will be an umarried, childless, white uni grad with a recent psych degree and an opinion that she knows everything, when in fact…
    
    Sadly, I’ve seen this happen before and it always ends badly, for both the child and the numerous people involved.
    
    The social worker, of course, will be convinced that she has ‘done the best for the child’ and go on to damage other lives…
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    That is a worry Maggy but look to Petra Bagust’s comments that maori should be making decisions for maori and I’ll bet you there is pressure within the organisation for race based solutions therefore a Samoan raising a European successfully would be an anathema to them.
    
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    June 14, 2019 10:07am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      What percent Maori does one need to be to apply??
      
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      June 14, 2019 11:33am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    This is what happens when you give license to a racial basis for judgements and decision making. Identity politics is inherently racist and generally fucking toxic, engendering all sorts of hypocrisy and madness amongst it’s followers.
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:38pm
- peterwn
  
  Two things of concern however:
  1. There was no need for a ex-parte court application – its use here was abusive. The mother should have been served documents and allowed (or her lawyer) to front up.
  2. The ham-fisted attempt of censorship via the Family Court. As the Judge pointed out, he had no power to order that.
  
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  June 14, 2019 9:36am
- kevn
  
  @wreck… Exactly. We had a sort of ok older solo neighbour in a state house with an off the the rails 25 yo’ish daughter. Daughter had one child, severely handicapped and her mother took that child on, due to daughters grossly unsuited domestic setup. Daughter and partner are a couple of druggies, the bloke was a violent woman and child wacker as well. Daughter had another child which was taken from her at birth. Should have been speyed at the same time.
  The two of them would turn up from time to time yelling and screaming/fighting.
  Misc social workers would be at the house at least once a week along with deliveries of different aids and appliances for the severely handicapped girl. We never saw the child outside, ever.
  We have moved but I imagine it would be the same now.
  
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  June 14, 2019 9:43am
- redeye
  
  From the newsroom article;
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/06/12/631721/oranga-tamariki-taking-newsroom-to-court#
  
  Are all our families perfect?
  
  No. However they are OUR whānau OUR problems OUR solutions OUR way. You have occupied this space for too long and not brought the outcomes Māori seek. Not only should Oranga Tamariki give over the funding and the resources to Māori they must also return the name Oranga Tamariki a beautiful taonga you have disrespected. Return to being CYFS that is more in line with your achievements.”
  Des Ratima
  
  You can have the name back. But if its your problem, why do you want taxpayers funding and resources? Use some of your settlement money.
  
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  June 14, 2019 10:03am
- Liberty
  
  I fail to see a problem.
  Maori mum’s have been breeding a sprog for their sister,gran,cus for generations.
  
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  June 14, 2019 1:27pm
- Notsofast
  
  And author Catherine Robertson just explained on RNZ program the panel how social workers tried to remove her husband when he was little in Wainuiomata. His mother had breast cancer and saw them off the property. Don’t believe in the goodness in these thugs. It sounds as though back then you could fight back.
  
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  June 14, 2019 3:58pm
Lee C

Winston spits dummy.
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June 14, 2019 8:04am
- Blackbob
  
  Low Whiskey level warning light must be on..
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:09am
  - Prince
    
    Indeed. I notice he seemed to have invented a new game, “Twiddly Winks’.
    His slurring and verbal gaffes are increasing.
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:59am
    - sooty
      
      More likely “Widdly Tinks”!
      
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      June 14, 2019 10:51am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Ruakaka races tomorrow, It’s the yearly business house see how much you can drink and lose day – always a financial disaster. Winston quite often turns up to these to bludge off the local businesses and bask in the adulation. Might not go the way he plans if he shows up tomorrow, we’re tired of his arrogance and his belief NZF will win a seat up here. Propping up Cindy and the Greens was never going to be a winner up this way.
        
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        June 14, 2019 11:44am
    - Tall Man
      
      What goes on between a man and a woman in the privacy of their home should not be referred to in Parliament………..
      
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      June 14, 2019 11:33am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And does Shane need to wear silly hat to look silly?
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:13am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    In a word, no. But at least it got him on national television, looking and sounding like a dork, so that’s a positive.
    
    To be fair though (and I can say this, carrying as I do a few extra kg’s), he’s less Thomas the Tank, and more the Fat Controller.
    
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    June 14, 2019 8:30am
  - pdm
    
    A rhetorical question I believe.
    
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    June 14, 2019 8:31am
  - oldgolfer
    
    He must think he is on the set of The Blues Brothers.
    Plonker.
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:53am
- Local Miller
  
  Well that’s cryptic.
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:14am
- G152
  
  Was the dummy upstaging him then ???? 🙂
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:28am
  - sooty
    
    What? You talking about Shane?
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:26am
- Yvette
  
  Lee C – the whole New Zealand First Caucus threw their toys out of the cot
  
  After Peters was kicked out, most of his NZ First caucus followed him.
  He said the whole caucus came out with him because they wanted to make it clear “we don’t accept those sorts of rulings”.
  
  Of course next sitting day will Mallard require any action on this statement, which reflects on him?
  Will the whole New Zealand First Caucus be asked to withdraw and apologise? Or was it made outside Mallard’s purview?
  Will National ask if the action amounts to a vote of no confidence in the Speaker, or should it trigger such a vote?
  Or will nothing happen and although Winston has said on behalf of the whole New Zealand First Caucus “we don’t accept those sorts of rulings”, they will.
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:55am
  - sooty
    
    Do National have the balls to do the same?
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:04am
    - Yvette
      
      Sooty – no, probably not. Any they probably also lack the ability to frame a suitable Question that would force Winston to restate his criticism of Mallard.
      Just as I do not see any journalist having the wherewithal to do the same: hammer Winston over his relationship with Mallard.
      
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      June 14, 2019 9:16am
    - sooty
      
      I had forgott the Gerry incident. But half of them stayed!
      
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      June 14, 2019 9:27am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      See my reply to Mrs Annie further down the post. When National walked out in solidarity with Gerry Brownlee, the media gave them all sorts of shit. With NZF, silence.
      
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      June 14, 2019 9:58am
      - sooty
        
        The media have been given their instructions!
        
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        June 14, 2019 10:53am
  - gorse
    
    National should move a vote of no confidence in the Speaker over it, it would put NZF to the test. If they didn’t support it, which they won’t it would show them up as windbags
    
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    June 14, 2019 10:08am
  - artemisia
    
    A vote of no confidence in the Speaker, or the government, is a very slippery slope. Unless the reason/s are egregious and in the public interest to oppose, such a vote opens the door to tit-for-tat.
    
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    June 14, 2019 1:17pm
Yvette

Signs are for fines, or safety advisories?

Considering “… new evidence showing around 87 per cent of those limits are too high for the conditions” what is the legal position – safety and insurance – now regarding the implication that it is safe in normal conditions to drive at speeds up to, but not beyond a posted speed.

Police have clearly reinforced a confusion between safe and legal speeds, in campaigns that on special occasions – long Easter or Labour holiday weekends in particular – reduce margins in relation to posted speeds, from, for example, ten km over to 3 or 4 km over, emphasising an implied safety aspect and even officially deny it is for legal enforcement.
Surely, if a sign is wrong, changing a margin above it is just screwing around when the safer speed should be well below it.

Will the Police or those in charge of road safety campaigns now endeavour to educate drivers that they must judge at all times, for themselves, what is a safe speed to drive at, and that speed limit signs are only a legal formality that means if caught travelling at a speed higher than that posted, a driver will be charged, if they have not already killed themselves by trying negate roads at unsafe speeds although just below those posted?

If “speed is a killer” and 87% of roads are wrongly rated, it is amazing that even more people are not wiped out than are.

Julie Anne Genter should be so busy fixing this as a priority, that we shouldn’t hear from her for quite some time, except to assure the nation she is working on correcting unsafe signage.

Meanwhile some advice on the insurance implications could be helpful
– You have crashed and killed half your family. Had you used cannabis or alcohol at all?
– No, sir – I was just doing what the speed limit said was safe
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June 14, 2019 8:05am
- G152
  
  If speeding is so dangerous why then do the police get involved in high speed pursuits ???
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:30am
  - pdm
    
    G152 – because it is the job of the police to uphold the law
    
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    June 14, 2019 8:51am
    - G152
      
      And isn’t it against the law to drive at a greater than proscribed speed?
      And don’t the law have to obey the law?
      
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      June 14, 2019 9:29am
      - Random T Person
        
        Prescribed, twit. Proscribed means prohibited.
        
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        June 14, 2019 10:18am
      - Tall Man
        
        You’re right, I’ll just ask them to direct the idiot past your place and they can let your children, neighbours or telephone poles sort it out.
        
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        June 14, 2019 10:46am
  - cmm
    
    Because, on balance, it is safer to do a short high speed police chase than leave the nob-head on the road.
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:36am
- cmm
  
  The legal speed limit is not the issue and will achieve nothing because the people who speed to excess (120+ on road fit for 100) will continue to do so.
  
  The three major causes of deaths are:
  1) Inattention due to fiddling with phone. Speed limit reductions won’t change that.
  2) Suicide-by-vehicle. Speed limit reductions won’t change that.
  3) Drugs. Speed limit reductions won’t fix that.
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:50am
- kevn
  
  Yvette… Someone told me that 40% of the far north traffic accidents involve the driver being drug affected.
  swarbrick might be able to double that should her referendum be successful.
  
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  June 14, 2019 9:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oral Question in Parliament yesterday:
    
    Hon JULIE ANNE GENTER (Associate Minister of Transport): I understand that police have recently reported that five of the 10 drivers killed in Northland this year who have been blood tested had drugs in their system. It’s obviously too early in the year to draw firm conclusions about the trends in road deaths in Northland.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190613_20190613_12/tab/video?page=4&mode=form
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:59am
- Micky
  
  Could have a ‘recommended wet speed’… might help inexperienced drivers or drivers unfamiliar with the area.
  
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  June 14, 2019 12:14pm
Than

This article made me laugh – one set of nutjob Luddite ideals ruining things for another.

To summarise the article;
WCC wants the BioGro compost they make to be certified so it can be used on organic farms. But they won’t get that certification if they accept compostable packaging (which presumably contain artificial chemicals), so they’ve banned them. But thats upset companies that use compostable packaging, which now have the the options of composting the packaging separately (quite a hassle), sending them to landfill (which defeats the pupose), or returning to plastic packaging.

But joking aside, I’m firmly with the companies using compostable packaging here. Calling them luddites was unfair. I’m not a particular supporter of compostable packaging, but at least its a rational potential solution to a perceived problem.

On the other “Organic” farming is about the most ridiculous, irrational means of food production there is. Even just the name itself betrays the complete scientific ignorance of its consumers and supporters.
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June 14, 2019 8:06am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I may be betraying my lack of science knowledge, but if the packaging is compostable, what is the problem with putting it in the landfill?
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:58am
  - Colville
    
    glue, so the compost isnt “organic”
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:56am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Haha because you’ve been sucked in by the spin dear boy.
    
    “Compostable” isn’t what you or I might take it to mean ie chuck it in the pile and it decomposes.
    
    This version, same as Z’s coffee cups which they constantly bang on about, are compostable only if they spend weeks at high temperatures in a special facility, iirc NZ has only 5 such facilities (only 1 on the SI I believe) so the actual environmental impact is far higher than a simple plastic bag.
    
    More greenwashing basically.
    
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    June 14, 2019 10:58am
  - Than
    
    The point of composting is that the material is broken down bacteria, spread into soil to be absorbed by plants, and in a reasonably short time becomes part of the natural ecosystem again. If it’s in a landfill that doesn’t happen.
    
    Most likely the material will be thrown on top of a thick layer of previous garbage, so it can’t reach the soil. Even if it has the luck to be put on a fresh section of bare earth, it’ll quickly be covered by a layer of other garbage and no plants will be able to reach it. Either way it won’t be re-absorbed into the environment. It’ll just be a slightly different type of garbage sandwiched between layers of normal garbage, and will be around for a long time.
    
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    June 14, 2019 11:14am
Maggie Pie

A colleague currently working in sunny California tweets – LOL!!

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June 14, 2019 8:08am
KevO'Brien

Waah. Stupidity unbounded:
WASHINGTON, June 13 (Reuters) – Kellyanne Conway, a senior adviser to President Donald Trump, repeatedly violated U.S. law by making political comments while serving in the White House and should be removed from the federal workforce, the U.S. Office of Special Counsel (OSC) said on Thursday.
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June 14, 2019 8:08am
- G152
  
  Anti Trump from the fake news..
  Anything to try and bring him and his staff down
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:32am
  - tf78
    
    I think it’s Donald’s birthday today – may he have many happy returns.
    
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    June 14, 2019 12:01pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Awe……, she said something bad about thin skinned Democrats.
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:55am
Notsofast

Here is an interesting passage

“I have personal experience in this area. When I was 5 I started first grade in Detroit, and they used “whole word” teaching. Nearly nobody got it in the class. It was a total disaster. In fact, the teaching of reading was so arduous and unsuccessful that there was no time left for much else. There was literally NO arithmetic in that first grade, not even the identification of numbers! Looking at a whole word as if it were a picture is very confusing at that age, when the words are not actually meant to be seen as pictures. We use a phonic alphabet. Now maybe a better job of teaching and a better text than Dick and Jane would have made the job easier, but just before my 6th birthday, in December, I came home with a failing report because I could not read. My parents thought that odd, since I was not terribly stupid yet, and determined that though I’d known the alphabet since I was three I had made no phonic connections at all. They taught me with phonics, and it just suddenly flashed. I realized (and said as much) that I already knew what I needed, but had not realized that was what I needed.

My parents used the front page of the New York Times as my first grade primer. My dad taught how to separate a word into syllables (“look for the little word in the big word.”) I found it easy to read any word I already knew, including those that were spelled oddly and required a guess, and easy to read any phonetically sensible word even if I had never seen it before and did not know what it meant. I could puzzle out even very irregular words, often with wrong pronunciations, and once I knew them, whole word memory kicked in.

Once we know how to figure out words, (and when presented with irregular words) we shift to whole word reading, but without phonic knowledge it can be a big struggle, at least for some people.

I know there are some people who espouse the whole word system, including the famous New Zealand teacher Sylvia Ashton-Warner, but I’m not sure it works with everyone, and she accompanied her technique with an unconventional approach to vocabulary, letting children choose their words.”

Trevor Mallard as education minister destroyed the prospects of another generation around 2000 when he prevented phonics being used in schools despite a team of 8 parliamentarians returning from a world jaunt announcing proof that phonics must be introduced immediately.
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June 14, 2019 8:08am
- Notsofast
  
  Any parents of preschoolers or non readers might read these Amazon reviews and see how quickly lives are changed
  
  https://www.amazon.com/Teach-Your-Child-Read-Lessons/dp/0671631985/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Teach+Your+Child+to+Read+in+100+Easy+Lessons&qid=1560458211&s=books&sr=1-1#customerReviews
  
  Maybe out of print, not sure. There are many other programs no doubt
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:45am
- Local Miller
  
  I have to agree, dyslexia is one of the issues faced by people learning via the Whole Word system. When I entered school they had introduced whole word learning, and it was 5 years (when I was 11) before I actually learned to read, and I taught myself phonetically. In my day dyslexia was unheard of, but my Mum talked about the fact I would reverse words (like “saw” for “was”).
  We home schooled 4 kids, using phonetics, and they could all read pretty much any book by the time they were 6. One had read The Count of Monte Christo (unabridged) multiple times by the time he was 10.
  Phonics can lead into whole word learning, but not the other way around.
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:55am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Chinese have horrendous time becoming literate. 50,000 characters, though a comprehensive modern dictionary will rarely list over 20,000 in use. An educated Chinese person will know about 8,000 characters, but you will only need about 2-3,000 to be able to read a newspaper.
    
    Perhaps that is why they have evolved to be so smart – their language is such a pig.
    
    Easy to learn and adapt phonetic alphabets are up there with the wheel and fire is terms of their impact on human advancement.
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:07am
    - stephieboy
      
      UN, are you suggesting that Western Europeans with their Roman alphabet are not smart ?
      
      Waht a pointless and inane post!
      
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      June 14, 2019 9:11am
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        No. UN is suggesting sound-based writing is easier to learn and use than ideograms (ie, whole words.)
        
        I have read, where I no longer recall, so take this with a grain of salt, that it takes longer for Chinese children to become literate than European children for this reason and Chinese adults have more difficulty recalling the written form of uncommon words.
        
        Whether or not this makes Western Europeans less smart, I don’t know but, FWIW, some IQ test results have returned higher medians for East Asians, all of whom use ideograms.
        
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        June 14, 2019 12:50pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      [Copy pasta}
      China officially has a high literacy rate of 96.4% (CIA The World Factbook 2015). However this rate is misleadingly high, and illiteracy is actually quite common.
      
      As long as you pass a fourth-grade exam, you are considered literate, even if later you are no longer able to read or write. You only need to know 950 Chinese characters you are considered literate, but as Victor Mair, Professor of, Chinese Language and Literature at UPenn notes,
      we know from pedagogical standards outside of China that this figure is woefully inadequate for functioning as a literate member of a society that uses Chinese characters for daily communication in a variety of fields, literature, news media, instructional manuals, high school and college textbooks, and so forth. (The cost of illiteracy in China)
      
      Pinyin.info looks at a 1996 study which actually tested a national probability sample, and a high estimate of the literacy rate was about 76% (as opposed to the official figures of 85%) (Chinese literacy). Once one weights this for population and the ability to write (which is, after all, half the definition of literacy) it is evident that the official literacy rate in China is misleadingly high.
      
      This being China, there is also concern that officials are inflating the figures. As it is with GDP growth, so it is for literacy statistics.
      
      China’s poverty and large rural population surely have something to do with its illiteracy rate, but the written language definitely plays a part as well. It is instructive that many languages (e.g. Vietnamese, Korean) used to be written with Chinese characters, but transitioned to other scripts, partly to promote literacy (Vietnamese Writing System, History of Hangul Part I).
      
      It is also revealing that in China and Japan, young people are losing their ability to write Chinese characters without help (from their computers or phones) and thus are essentially illiterate (When Chinese children forget how to write – BBC News, Wired youth forget how to write in China and Japan). This suggests that Chinese characters are hard to connect with the spoken language, which impedes literacy.
      
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      June 14, 2019 2:37pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Local Miller, check hansard for the literacy genocide Mallard pulled off when Donna Awatere and 7 others returned from the world tour and called for immediacy in replacing all current methods with phonics.
    Thick people in power are dangerous people.
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Phonics (probably now referred to as phonemic learning) are once again taught in the early years of school.
  
  https://literacyonline.tki.org.nz/Literacy-Online/Planning-for-my-students-needs/Effective-Literacy-Practice-Years-1-4/What-we-know-about-teaching-reading-and-writing-in-Y1-4/Phonemic-awareness-and-phonics
  
  p. 22
  https://www.ero.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/ERO-Teaching-strategies-that-work-Reading.pdf
  
  I don’t think anyone uses the “whole word’ approach in NZ anymore….. it quietly fell by the wayside.
  
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  June 14, 2019 9:21am
  - stephieboy
    
    We are told here that the Phonics and whole language debate is and ongoing one among educators with good points on both sides . Except for the fact that various right wing conspiracy theorist suggest that the whole language is a” liberal “conspiracy to teach moral relativism and deny objective reality “,
    
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Phonics_versus_whole_languag
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:57am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh rubbish, stephieboy.
      
      Read any research on the topic?
      https://nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/opinion/an-answer-to-new-zealands-illiteracy-enigma/
      
      Ever taught anyone how to read?
      
      Tell me how many kids you have helped with literacy?
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/101176457/million-kiwis-lack-literacy-skills-prompting-call-for-review
      
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      June 14, 2019 10:06am
      - Tall Man
        
        Based on some of the posts steffy makes I don’t think reading and writing is a strong point of hers.
        
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        June 14, 2019 11:19am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Haha, Stuffy teach literacy? Recently he wrote “would of” in a sentence!
        
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        June 14, 2019 12:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Correct link here for you, Maggy:
        https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Phonics_versus_whole_language
        
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        June 14, 2019 1:09pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I decided to click on the link that stephieboy gave:
      and got this:
      
      Phonics versus whole languag
      There is currently no text in this page.
      
      Create this page
      Search for “Phonics versus whole languag” in other pages
      Search the related logs.
      
      I REST MY CASE
      
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      June 14, 2019 12:35pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh dear. Took me about 2 secs to go from that misspelt link to the page.
        
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        June 14, 2019 1:12pm
      - rangitoto
        
        LOL. Stephieboy cements its title of Kiwiblogs dumbest poster.
        
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        June 14, 2019 1:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @MMA
        
        I’m more than capable of figuring that out…. but it was stephieboy showing us his degree of “Literacy” that was my point.
        
        Interesting that no-one else reported the misspelt link until I put it up 2.5 hours after his post.
        Don’t folks click on stephieboy’s links?
        
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        June 14, 2019 2:24pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “Don’t folks click on stephieboy’s links?”
        
        if commentfirstline = “stephieboy” then
        begin
        click downbutton;
        scrolltonextpost;
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        June 14, 2019 2:34pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Just as I don’t waste a second glance looking at dog-shit on the street I find his posts are good only for a minor test of hand-eye-coordination and finger muscle reflex – downtick and move on.
        
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        June 14, 2019 2:52pm
BrownSnake

Could I ask a Question?

with approximately 70,000 people coming to NZ
for …? how many years

And how wonderfull they are

Surely there would be no need for even consideration of a CGT

Surely all these hard working highly skilled
people would contribute through their pursuits
and work
to the tax take and ….

In fact should not Tax rates be going down not up?

Also should not council rates be only moderate?

or am I missing something?

Surely there would be more tax money available now to build shared infrastructure first world public transport etc etc etc

Isn’t the fact that the government has to consider this form of tax an indication that something has gone terribly wrong in NZ and raises to taxes will not fix it.
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June 14, 2019 8:13am
- hullkiwi
  
  Brownsnake,
  
  In your 70,000 you’ll find you have:
  
  1. 15,000 to 20,000 foreign students, many of whom are low level and from poorer backgrounds – because the high value students have gone to the US, Europe, Canada and Australia – so income potential even when they graduate is low;
  2. There is also a significant number of family visas (older family members who don’t work- I’ve seen numbers of 5,000 to 10,000 in this category;
  3. That leaves circa 35,000 in the work Visa, permanent resident categories, if you take out the children of families you are left with circa 12,000 to 20,000 people eligible to work and pay taxes.
  
  So, based on those numbers circa 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 new immigrants will add to the work force and pay tax. The simple question is that good economics given those 70,000 per annum put pressure on the need for additional infrastructure and services. Would put like that it is all very well to get GDP growth of 3% pa but what good is that if the country is adding to the problem of delivering a sustainable country for those already here?
  
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  June 14, 2019 9:00am
Brian McDonald

What else is new?
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June 14, 2019 8:15am
MrsAnnie

Idiot claims to have solved the teachers strike. Even if he has done a deal with the unions, they still need to take it to their members for a vote. From what I have seen the teachers are in no hurry to make a deal.
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June 14, 2019 8:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s interesting that no one in the media has condemned NZF MP’s for blindly following Peters when Mallard turfed him out yesterday. When a whole lot of National MP’s left the Chamber after Mallard had kicked Gerry Brownlee out a few months ago, there was a media pile-on as to how terrible the Nats were.
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:36am
Happychappy

Peter’s need for votes and recognition feeds his ego and clouds his vision to the point of no return.When you have control and you have so much power from only a small percentage of the vote and can control even the Prime Minister by showing ignorance with arrogance in releasing the Governments Policy before them,shows our voting system is fucked with people in power with their own agenda that is not good or needed in NZ Politics. As I have said before Winston Peter’s is the scourge of our political system and is bad in so many ways for politics in NZ.
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June 14, 2019 8:18am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Blood Donor Day!
How should we celebrate?
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June 14, 2019 8:23am
- JibberJabber
  
  Open a vein?
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:46am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Send them an email telling them if they weren’t such dicks about banning people who lived in the UK before 1996, they could be collecting all the blood and plasma they need.
  
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  June 14, 2019 9:02am
  - Im Right
    
    Agree Nigel, haven’t been in UK for 20yrs and have rare blood (B-) but not wanted because of the UK ruling. When they have the ‘we need blood’ drives I just shake my head and wonder how many are like me and are willing to donate but cannot.
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:17am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Those pesky expert advisors to the Blood Service that keep reviewing the risks of CJD and BSE probably have it all wrong. Why do you hate science?
      
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      June 14, 2019 10:20am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Just like everyone else, scientists respond to incentives. If they say it’s safe and someone gets sick they are in the shit. If they say it’s not safe and there is not enough blood/plasma for those in need, they lose nothing. Meanwhile, a much larger number of patients in the UK are perfectly ok after getting blood deemed by us to be unsafe.
        
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        June 14, 2019 12:30pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Why do you hate logic mikey?
        
        When I was banned from donating because of and by mad cows in the UK I went to the source material for the risk… and yes, “those pesky expert advisors to the Blood Service that keep reviewing the risks of CJD and BSE” have exaggerated the risks, lost sight of the potential benefits, and are too proud to recant.
        
        There is no published evidence that the disease (CJD) has spread through blood or blood products.
        
        But, the risks of HIV being passed on by transfusions (a risk orders of magnitude higher than the risk of crazy moo illness) are not thusly stigmatized. Why not? Well, probably because cows don’t generate outrage and vote whereas LGBT people do.
        
        Indeed, we previous donors remain banned decades after living in the UK – but as of 2017 gay men can now give blood three months after sex… go figure.
        
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        June 14, 2019 5:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I think you have missed the point a little, 4% donate in NZ.
    
    I very much doubt the other 96% fail due to the possibility of “Mad Cow” in their blood.
    
    You can always volunteer to hand out the bikies 🙂
    
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    June 14, 2019 11:06am
  - mark15
    
    Me too,donated a few pints.
    
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    June 14, 2019 12:02pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’d love to celebrate by making a donation mikenmild, but unfortunately the bone marrow condition I have rules that out. Feel free to donate an extra pint on my behalf 😀
  
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  June 14, 2019 9:13am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Along not across…
  
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  June 14, 2019 11:01am
Yvette

Monday – NZ military will be bought home from Iraq
Tuesday – $20 billion shopping list, including new planes and a surveillance satellite
Wednesday – all five Hercules planes are grounded

为什么我们不在南大洋上放几艘船并获得一些齿鱼呢？
Why don’t we put a few ships in the Southern Ocean and get some of those toothfish?
但那些是新西兰水域
But those are New Zealand waters.
我知道。但他们没有监视
I know. But they have no surveillance
哦，哪个代理商告诉我们的？
Oh, which agency told us that?
新西兰广播电台
Radio New Zealand
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June 14, 2019 8:28am
- mikenmildagain
  
  How many times do you think the Hercules are used for surveillance in the southern ocean?
  
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  June 14, 2019 10:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    How many times have you let a comment slide rather than insert your smarmy comment?
    
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    June 14, 2019 11:02am
- RRM
  
  Surveillance is done by the Orions, not the Hercs.
  
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  June 14, 2019 10:36am
  - tf78
    
    RRM – There’s an excellent article on Scoop by Gordon Campbell, on the war purposes of our massive defence spend-up. Well worth a read as it show’s what bad decisions have been made by the Little General.
    
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    June 14, 2019 12:27pm
- sealegs
  
  Talleys and Sealords sent the Janas down Toothfishing in Antartica about 4 years ago as a trial at this time of year. They were dam lucky to get home in one piece, they will never attempt that again.
  
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  June 14, 2019 11:57am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Last week, Jacinda doesn’t go to D-Day commemorations alongside the other five eyes partners.
  
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  June 15, 2019 3:54am
BrownSnake

Some people were posting about how much they care about Melbourne Minorities which ones
there are about 240?

I would just like to add there were …..

THREE major Terrorism Trials in Melbourne
while Jacinda was in France Hand delivering a pdf

It is safer than France and still functions
(Melbourne that is) through
excellent counter terrorism measures and policing

Bollards
The Army on call
Bomb robots etc etc etc
Excellent intelligence work and
many preventative raids

Have a Nice Day
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June 14, 2019 8:44am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  BrownSnake , snooze button alert !
  
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  June 14, 2019 9:14am
  - BrownSnake
    
    You are a Fraud the only person who believes you lies is yourself
    
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    June 14, 2019 9:58am
    - Tall Man
      
      steffy girl has some social issues possibly around mental capacity.
      
      There also seem to be a number of posters under that pseudonym or we have steffy medicated, non medicated and highly agitated.
      
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      June 14, 2019 11:01am
lastmanstanding

Memo to the Nats

These are some of the policies I want to see in your 2020 Manifesto.

1. Reduce the cost of governance note I said governance not Government by 20% by 2025. Use the technology.

2. Increase the numbers of front line troops ie Police doing policing Doctors Nurses Teachers etc to meet the populations needs and reduce the Back Office by the same costs by 2025. Use the technology.

3. Personal tax rates by 2025.

Up to $10K nil
11K to $50K 15%
$51K to$100K 20%
$101K plus 25%

4. Company and Trust rate 25% by 2025.

You will actually collect more tax at these rates. Ask the surviving members of the 1984/1987 Labour Government.
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June 14, 2019 9:11am
- RW Capitalist
  
  would adjust
  4. Company and Trust rate 20% by 2025.
  watch unemployment come down and therefore welfare costs, combined with an increased tax take from those employees.
  The long term social impact:
  Places importance on the higher reward for WORKING and not tax payer “entitlements”
  
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  June 14, 2019 9:58am
- Tall Man
  
  Increase tax free limit to $20,000.
  
  The compliance costs between 10 & 20 thousand would exceed tax collected.
  
  No one to be employed without an IRD number, instant massive fine for the employer if not done.
  
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  June 14, 2019 10:59am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Sounds fair enough.
    
    And nail both sides of any cashie transaction? Or is this just some poor overtaxed person trying to get ahead?
    
    What’s today’s not-so-veiled insult?
    
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    June 14, 2019 11:04am
    - Tall Man
      
      Look elsewhere for your validation.
      
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      June 14, 2019 11:43am
  - hullkiwi
    
    TallMan you could lift the tax free level to $45,000 and remove WFF for those earning less than $45k. It would not dent the net government receipts and start to roll back the dependency culture.
    
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    June 14, 2019 1:24pm
- rockape
  
  Have you gone on the National website? They are asking for people to comment on all sorts of policy. If you want to influence their decision making thats the best place.
  
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  June 14, 2019 12:08pm
stephieboy

A beautiful mutton stew last night follwed by Apple Rhubarb /Crumble pie.

My Missus , thank ye!
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June 14, 2019 9:17am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Thank also the cocky that grew it for you, if the vegans and politicians have their way, Mutton and lamb will be off the menu.We sent 440 Lambs to the Abbatoir last week and returned average $230 a lamb. Enjoy it while you can Stephie, it is rapidly becoming a very expensive meat. Mutton is ok, but lamb cooked to perfection, is to die for.
  I wonder if they are going to put the “climate tax” for each animal on the kill sheet.
  Lunatics appear to be running the asylum.
  
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  June 14, 2019 12:39pm
  - Swifty
    
    $230?
    
    Where? To whom?
    
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    June 14, 2019 1:21pm
artemisia

Tapu te Ranga Marae’s consented “potting shed” may turn out to be a three bedroom house rented out at market rates.

Wellington City council processes are looking worse by the day. What were they thinking? (Actually we have a fair idea what they were thinking.)
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June 14, 2019 9:21am
- Tall Man
  
  “Treaty of Waitangi”…. our land… fuck off.
  
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  June 14, 2019 10:56am
lastmanstanding

Forgot No 5. Index personal tax rates to inflation.
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June 14, 2019 9:26am
trout

For those that do not listen to Hosking or browse Whaleoil and are interested in the possible legalization of Cannabis here is a run down on the Colorado experience:
Transcript: (Part 1) Mike Hosking & Ray Padilla on legalised marijuana in Colorado
by Suze on June 14, 2019 at 8:30am
Mike:
It was this time yesterday that Chloe Swarbrick was trying to argue that Colorado was the place to look if you wanted to see cannabis legislation as a success story. So, let’s do that and see what’s happened. Ray Padilla is a police officer and president of the Colorado Drug Investigators Association. Ray, good morning to you.
Ray:
Morning.
Mike:
Appreciate your time very much. On a scale very… start with something broad… on a scale of one to ten, ten being this is the greatest thing you guys have ever done, one a complete bust, what’s your number?
Ray:
One would be it – complete.
Mike:
What’s gone wrong with it?
Ray:
There’s various… there’s various types of things. I mean you can look at it from the black market and how much we are dealing with black market marijuana now, versus kind of what we dealt with before. Um, you can look at… you can easily look at anywhere like traffic fatalities in the state of Colorado. You know, we think free (indistinct) marijuana related traffic deaths by about 151% in Colorado. Overall deaths increased by about 45%.
Mike:
Jeez we got a… got a slightly dodgy line, can I ask you to move just a little bit. Let me ask you about overall usage. Has overall usage gone up?
Ray:
Absolutely, absolutely.
Mike:
And what about things like arrests, court appearances and that sort of thing?
Ray:
Um, you know we kind of… we’ve somewhat decriminalised marijuana but we’ve also increased our enforcement when it come to black market and going after some of the organised crime and things of that nature so a lot of those numbers have gone up. Of course, possession and things like that of course have gone down because we don’t charge for that anymore.
Mike:
Having said that – the black market, one of the arguments here is that the gangs currently run the drug market in this country – if you legalised it which is what we are looking to do in this country, if you legalised it the government would run it therefore the black market would be diminished. Is that true?
Ray:
Um, that is absolutely untrue. What has happened in Colorado is similar to the argument you have here where the black market is going to go away, the gangs aren’t going to run crime anymore. We have more organised crime in Colorado now than we’ve ever had and it’s based off of black-market marijuana.
Mike:
And why is that? What’s the rationale for gangs to come to your part of the world and do it?
Ray:
Well there’s a couple of reasons. One is the… the market… the legal market is always going to be more expensive because people are going to have to pay more taxes etcetera. When you can get it on the black-market number one it’s much cheaper; number two you are going to have gangs and those here who will grow it in Colorado and then they ship it out of state. Right now, in dollars it’s about $800-$1200 dollars for a pound of marijuana in Colorado but if you ship it to the east coast it’s worth anything between $5,000-$7,000. So, there’s a huge incentive for these folks to make money and that’s the way they do it.
Mike:
One of the other arguments is that people use it anyway, making it illegal has failed, so let’s make it legal and nobody will use it anymore. Is that true, or do people start using it more?
Ray:
They start using it more. And then what you have is you become a… a… what’s happened in Colorado is we have become a state of cannabis tourism. We have a lot of people come into our state, they’re… they want to try marijuana, this is the first place they want to try it.
The difference between marijuana nowadays versus marijuana back in, let’s say the 80’s early 90’s, that we would typically get out of Mexico or California was only run at about let’s say 8-12% THC, now our flower marijuana here is anywhere between 25-35% THC. And then we have concentrates that are pushing up as high as 99% pure THC which is then causing a lot of issues with people who are trying marijuana for their first time or they’re coming to Colorado to try Colorado marijuana and they’re getting sick, they’re ending up in the hospitals, suicides are up, accidents are up etcetera.
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June 14, 2019 9:32am
- mikenmildagain
  
  What other substances would you like to ban completely? Alcohol? Tobacco? Sugar?
  
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  June 14, 2019 10:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    What ever the substance is that lowers the IQ of normal children and turns them into left wing fuckwits when they grow up.
    
    I think “fairydust” has an impact on older morons but I’d like to rescue them before they get to that level of susceptibility.
    
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    June 14, 2019 10:52am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Nothing gets banned completly.
    Enlighten me, when the gun buy back is completed, will there still be thousands of semi automatics in society? They will be banned, but just for the law abiding who hand them in.
    Legalise dope, and keep going soft on people using mobiles in cars, instead of going for zero road toll, the greens could have a new slogan,”lets double the road toll.”
    
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    June 14, 2019 12:50pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      1. Respectfully: it’s not a buy-back, it’s asset seizure / confiscation under threat. The Govt never sold these guns. Yes, you’re right, the crims will still have theses firearms. And the police – who are buying more weapons and armor right now (makes you wonder – do they not believe there own BS that by taking guns away from the law abiding the country will be magically safer? Apparently they don’t…)
      
      2. The police have already sent a very clear message to the law-abiding by raiding license holders in their homes and at their workplaces – while doing neither to gang members who boast in the media they are illegally armed.
      
      3. There is nowhere near enough money set aside to compensate legal owners of legal products purchased in the free market before the Coalition of Thieves made their undemocratic moves; so most expect the Govt to simply renege.
      
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      June 14, 2019 5:37pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If it’s legalised nationally, with modest prices then the black market/gang problem goes away. BUT; what are those gangs going to do for income when their big earner disappears? Push hard drugs? More prostitution? Extortion? Theft?
  At the moment they survive off ‘voluntary’ drug market income, but could become much much nastier if general public if they start looking for other income sources.
  
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  June 14, 2019 10:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    The gangs will not go away.
    
    All the bullshit being spouted is just that, bullshit.
    
    Look to Colorado where gang activity has increased.
    
    Pricing with manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers plus compliance will make it an expensive product susceptible to theft as well.
    
    Regardless of the spin, it will be a disaster and older kids will be on selling it to younger kids just as they do now but it will be easier as they only break the law when selling whereas now they break it at both ends of the deal.
    
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    June 14, 2019 10:55am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      But gang activity increased in Colorado due to gangs growing and exporting to prohibition states. That would not happen in NZ if it were legalised – we are not a Federation of states.
      
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      June 14, 2019 2:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        You hope.
        
        Export is not the only option.
        
        Increased consumption but through the gangs at a cheaper price.
        
        Once you have it in your pocket it doesn’t matter where it has come from.
        
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        June 14, 2019 9:44pm
  - Jack5
    
    That’s an interesting view, UrbanN.
    
    Marijuana: social welfare for gangs.
    
    How much money do the gangs make? Is there a marketing chain: grower, harvester, wholesaler/distributor, retailer? What’s the market consumer price for enough marijuana for one smoke?
    
    Would it be more expensive if legalised? There would be GST, and bound to be alcohol-type duty – at least to help hospitals cope with the increased incidence of schizophrenia.
    
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    June 14, 2019 11:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    BUT; what are those gangs going to do for income when their big earner disappears?
    
    The Gangs have been pushing meth & harder drugs for yonks…
    I doubt that they’ll notice if someone takes over marijuana sales.
    
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    June 14, 2019 11:46am
  - Ruawai
    
    Still unclear who the Government plan to be able to sell cannabis, will it be Government shops, pharmacies, retailers making a profit and therefore corporations which Chloe says have been responsible for alcohol problems.
    
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    June 14, 2019 12:52pm
rangitoto

So Tarrant pleads not guilty to all charges. Wants to spin out the trial for as long as possible.
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June 14, 2019 10:10am
- Poppa
  
  Yes he will milk it for all it is worth but there is only one outcome
  
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  June 14, 2019 10:42am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Yes, he’ll be convicted just before the next election so the Government of and by Thieves looks good.
    
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    June 14, 2019 5:38pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Overwhelming evidence, hopefully prosecution can limit his opportunities to grandstand and drag things out.
  
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  June 14, 2019 10:57am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Faint hope, there are 99 charges, he can speak to each one.
    Since they almost NEVER sentence consecutively, there is no point.
    If you want a swift end, 1 charge of murder and one of attempted murder.
    Get it over and get him into jail.
    If you fail, charge him with the next murder until you get him in jail.
    This would be much faster.
    
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    June 14, 2019 11:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think his lawyers are giving him advice.
    
    I’m quite sure the “payday” hasn’t entered their minds….
    
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    June 14, 2019 11:41am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I would be pretty sure his lawyers are not happy to be representing him, and would be happy for it to all be over ASAP and fuck the money, but will do their job as best they can.
      
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      June 14, 2019 2:24pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I don’t agree.
        
        The lawyers would have been climbing over themselves for this. High profile, high fees and no expectation to win.
        
        This will be stretched out as far as possible and then expect a couple of appeal attempts.
        
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        June 15, 2019 10:09am
- sooty
  
  Why not?
  
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  June 14, 2019 11:00am
- Alien
  
  Easy solution, it’s terrorist charges, close the court to all media, ban reporting and give him no air time
  
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  June 14, 2019 12:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I can see that being sought but I doubt the judge will allow it.
    
    It would be in the national interest to suppress quite a few of the facts and the world certainly does not need the full details of each and every death to be spread across the media.
    
    I for one would not be concerned to see an “in camera” trial.
    
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    June 15, 2019 10:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  We have this thing called the Presumption of Innocence, and a judicial system where everyone is entitled to plead not guilty, and require the Crown to prove the allegations against them beyond reasonable doubt. If anyone thought he was going to plead guilty today, I have a bridge for sale 😀
  
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  June 14, 2019 12:21pm
  - Alien
    
    He wants the fame, the air time in the media. And he’ll get it
    
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    June 14, 2019 1:34pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Wouldn’t the courts give him home detention and golf lessons if he pleads guilty?
    
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    June 14, 2019 1:39pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Nah, he looks more of a “squash man” to me.
      
      Once he gets to the open prison stage he may regret his profile as he may get “squashed” a bit more than he likes.
      
      Isn’t there an old joke.. This is your arsehole when go to prison “o” and this is it when you leave “O”.
      
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      June 15, 2019 10:15am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The presumption of innocence was rebutted when Tarrant published his activities live and his Manifesto.
    
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    June 14, 2019 4:41pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Isn’t the manifesto a myth? Seen only fleetingly by a few?
      
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      June 15, 2019 4:09am
      - Tall Man
        
        Nope. Legally on line in Oz so had a couple of looks.
        
        My thought was he would have more in common with the non male watermelon that wants to be called a c..t crossed with a bit of “what’s in it for wynston” than Jordan Peterson.
        
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        June 15, 2019 10:18am
BrownSnake

I will post the Three Trials or Hearings held in Australia while Jacinda was in France Several times. So you get it

Interesting to analyse – REALITY.

When I get time.

Interesting the first one was Sentencing of ….

The Head or someone high up i.e
a confirmed Global Leader Social Media of ISIS.

Judging by the language he uses.

Maybe her and Macron can get the 3 page pdf
translated?
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June 14, 2019 10:22am
greybeard

Rain saves Black Caps………..
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June 14, 2019 10:32am
- Tall Man
  
  Down ticked for negativity.
  
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  June 14, 2019 10:48am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Look on the bright side. If not another ball is bowled in the Cricket World Cup, the Black Caps will win it 😀
  
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  June 14, 2019 12:22pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Such a shame, Australia and India was a very close match, this would have been a fantastic competition. Meanwhile the rain has been a boon for South Africa, managed to get their first point from 4 games by playing a few overs. Sri Lanka are fifth on the ladder behind England by winning one game.
  It maybe not the best team wins, it maybe the team that gets to play between the rain.
  
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  June 14, 2019 1:03pm
Jack5

Christchurch’s Middle-Eastern newspaper, ☪Al Press,☪ brings more Islamic news and views this morning with a report about prejudice an Australian Muslim member of Parliament says she faces.

☪Al Press☪ adds to the report a photograph of Green list MP Golriz Ghahraman, noting that she ” has encountered similar racist and sexist abuse in politics.”
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June 14, 2019 10:37am
- sooty
  
  You would cry if it wasn’t so funny!
  
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  June 14, 2019 11:01am
secondcumming

It has been decided that *Marine Le Pen* will now stand trial for tweeting images of ISIS terror group atrocities……the so-called ‘crime’ of free speech could see her face up to three years in jail.

The *French far-right leader* is quoted as saying, “I am being charged for having condemned the horrors of Daesh, in other countries this would have earned me a medal”

……she wouldn’t have been referring to New Zealand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j-MTUouG6Q
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June 14, 2019 11:12am
- Tall Man
  
  The left will use any means to stifle opposition.
  
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  June 14, 2019 11:39am
- sooty
  
  In NZ she would in the dock along side Benton Tarant!
  
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  June 14, 2019 12:23pm
slightlyrighty

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/oberlin-college-hit-with-maximum-punitive-damages-capped-at-22-million-by-law-in-gibsons-bakery-case/

Are we seeing a pushback against SJW mob justice? One certainly hopes that this case would indicate we are!
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June 14, 2019 11:22am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hipkins comes up with another $271M.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/113479082/teachers-unions-back-new-offer-in-pay-dispute
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June 14, 2019 11:59am
- sooty
  
  But what will the members do?
  
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  June 14, 2019 12:19pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  YOU CAN BET THE NURSES UNION WONT BE HAPPY ! 🙁
  
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  June 14, 2019 12:28pm
  - Alien
    
    Or the doctors, police, oh they are going to have a tough run now people know they will cave
    
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    June 14, 2019 2:38pm
    - sooty
      
      ALL OUT BROTHERS!
      
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      June 14, 2019 4:35pm
- cmm
  
  I just felt my wallet get lighter again…
  
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  June 14, 2019 5:03pm
Fletch

I see there’s a whole raft of news stories and interviews about the “Muslim Community”, and NZ needing to become more inclusive, diverse, less racist, etc etc. They’ve even organized a conference around it. They’re really pushing it now.
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June 14, 2019 12:27pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Mmm coordinated snow-job from media and left.
  
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  June 14, 2019 1:30pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And the East?
    
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    June 15, 2019 4:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  There will be a push back.
  
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  June 14, 2019 2:43pm
  - sooty
    
    It’s started!
    Someone was pushing back at CC court and got arrested
    
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    June 14, 2019 4:34pm
Maggie Pie

Just got a txt from my partner – he’s on his way home early.
When he left Mystery Creek yesterday he went straight to the farm to prepare for closing weekend. Unfortunately, he spent all morning trying to find his camo gear but its nowhere to be seen.
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June 14, 2019 12:50pm
- Alien
  
  Eeeek, is he naked again
  
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  June 14, 2019 1:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No, silly! He bought some brand new Red Bands at the Fielday.
    
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    June 14, 2019 2:21pm
    - Alien
      
      Not off Clarke I hope
      
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      June 14, 2019 2:34pm
Ross12

The Tax Payer Union has started to put out short You Tube videos to explain some of their views. The latest on on the Government’s new “venture capital” fund.
Great move.
When will the National Party wake up and start trying new communication ideas?
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June 14, 2019 1:41pm
- Alien
  
  National put out YouTube and Facebook videos, they tweet, they Facebook. They do everything so what else do you suggest they do that they aren’t already doing
  
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  June 14, 2019 2:33pm
  - Ross12
    
    I’m on the National Party email data base, just like I’m on the the TPU data base. I have yet to see a link to a National Party video of any sort. I picked the TPU video via an email
    I do not do Facebook and I’m not on Twitter –I do not think I’d be alone with that.
    
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    June 14, 2019 4:23pm
    - sooty
      
      They don’t want the older, stale, pale male.
      You now the thousands that are not woke and are on sookbook and arsebook!
      
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      June 14, 2019 4:32pm
    - Alien
      
      hmmm, I remember reading a national party email not long ago that had a link to a video in it.
      
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      June 14, 2019 5:39pm
    - Alien
      
      Btw I suggest if you are actually interested in national using videos you go watch them on Facebook and no you don’t need to be registered to watch them
      
      https://m.facebook.com/NZNATS/
      
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      June 14, 2019 9:56pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Herald: Why we are publishing the name and photograph of the mosque shooting accused

…Because we are desperate for zee clicks. Go on click on it you little bitches, Mwaaah ha ha….
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June 14, 2019 2:57pm
Alien

This is the one DHB I expect to be running over their budget, and expect they will for a while to come.

“Service cuts should be expected after the appointment of a Crown monitor to the Canterbury District Health Board, a board member warns.

Dr Lester Levy, a former chairman of Waitemata, Auckland, and Counties Manukau DHBs, will start in the role immediately to help the board climb out of a forecast $103.4 million deficit – the largest of any DHB in the country.“

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/113490108/crown-monitor-appointed-to-help-manage-canterbury-dhb-deficit
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June 14, 2019 3:15pm
Jack5

Michael Reddell, at his Croaking Cassandra blog, having worked over the Reserve Bank governor, Adrian Orr, sends a torpedo salvo into the official departure function for Treasury Secretary Mahklouf. It’s a good read!

A milder bit:

“It isn’t Makhlouf’s fault New Zealand has drifted further backwards, in economic terms, over the last eight years. But over that time he led an institution that could have played a powerful role in shaping and influencing for the better debate about how best to respond to our longstanding continuing relative decline. Instead he chose to shift the focus to feel-good distractions.”

https://croakingcassandra.com/
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June 14, 2019 3:25pm
Tony Stuart

Stay classy, Christchurch

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/man-arrested-over-accusations-of-playing-nazi-music-outside-court/
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June 14, 2019 4:01pm
- rangitoto
  
  What is Nazi music?
  
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  June 14, 2019 4:05pm
  - MrTips
    
    Nazi Mouskouri? Followed up by the police favourite, Tazer Swift.
    
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    June 14, 2019 4:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Beethoven, Wagner and Bruckner.
    https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/arts/musReich.htm
    
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    June 14, 2019 4:26pm
    - Jack5
      
      Members of the Berlin Philharmonic were exempt from military service, and under their leader, Wilhelm Furtwangler, they gave a last concert in devastated Berlin less than four weeks before Germany surrendered.
      
      A video clip of the orchestra under Furtwangler performing Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony for Hitler’s birthday in 1942:
      
      https://youtu.be/2itdv1aEpG4
      
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      June 14, 2019 5:21pm
  - Alien
    
    If it music that will be banned because it is nazi music I nominate Justin Bieber’s music to be deemed nazi music
    
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    June 14, 2019 5:33pm
Fletch

Road user charges up another 5.5% come July 1st. Taxinda strikes again….
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June 14, 2019 5:10pm
MrTips

Dear Chloe, you got your arse handed to you by Hosking and a whinge in the Herald won’t fix that. He’s right, you need to get better arguments.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12240459
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June 14, 2019 6:10pm
Hugh Pavletich

From Kiwibuild to Kiwis Building … Dr Eric Crampton … The New Zealand Initiative

https://nzinitiative.outreach.co.nz/?Ns=&Na=view-msg-public&SMESG-oid=22150&Scontact=2149250d

At its heart, Kiwibuild was a promise to end the housing crisis. The set of reforms Minister Twyford is overseeing can fulfil that promise, if he has the chance to see them through.

The housing crisis has nothing to do with government failing to build enough homes. It stems instead from a nasty mess of perverse incentives facing growing councils, debt limits, infrastructure financing problems, and difficulty in revising district plans under RMA processes – as a starting point.

If the prior National government understood any of it, there was scant evidence of that understanding in policy. While Kiwibuild also missed the point, the policy is only a minor part of the government’s housing supply agenda – despite the disproportionate attention it draws. Focusing on the notable failure of one part of the package makes for great political sport but does nothing to advance housing reform more generally.

Last February, I warned in this newsletter that Kiwibuild could never solve the housing crisis. The targets set were utterly unrealistic and the fundamental blockages lay elsewhere. In response, the Initiative produced a report sharply critical of the programme.

But my Insights column also said that the government should be given a pass on its likely-to-be inevitable failure to hit its building targets, but only if it made sufficient progress on the rest of the supply agenda.

That more fundamental reform is coming. It has been slower coming than we would like, in part because Kiwibuild has proved to be a distracting millstone. But, done properly, the coming changes to infrastructure finance will be transformational.

Infrastructure supporting new development will be financed by bonds backed by levies on the properties benefitting from the infrastructure rather than depending on overstretched Council balance sheets. It will enable leapfrogging of existing landbanks and help unlock housing affordability.

No Member of Parliament understands New Zealand’s housing policy problems as well as Minister Twyford. Shuffling him from the Housing portfolio might bestow a political win on National, but it will come at substantial cost to everyone harmed by broken housing policies.

New Zealand has to build its way out of the housing crisis. Enabling that building is the most important task. And Minister Twyford’s broader agenda is our best hope of getting there. Focus less on how many houses the government builds, and more on the development enabled by the coming reforms.
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… Housing & Urban development Minister Phil Twyford knows exactly what needs to be done … as he explained late March …

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat
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Access extensive background information …

Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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June 14, 2019 6:22pm
- Happychappy
  
  Still flogging a loser Hugh , it must piss you off to have your prodigy fail and you wonder why people don’t bother visiting your blog.
  
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  June 14, 2019 8:24pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Happychappy … It was housing failure that finished off the National – led government in 2017 … check the GONE GONE GOING section of Performance Urban Planning …
    
    http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/National%20News.html
    
    … and I predicted John Keys downfall way earlier mid – 2016 … which you should remember …
    
    Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ … Rob Stock … Stuff
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-keys-waterloo
    
    As a Tory myself, I was enormously hurt, humbled and embarrassed with the pathetic performance of the last National – led government.
    
    Remember John Key back in 2007 on housing reform ? …
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
    
    We really do need a branch of Maggie Thatcher’s store in this country for our timid, tiresome and tedious Tory politicians … ‘Rent A Spine’.
    
    If the National Party can’t do housing properly, it may as well shut up shop. It is still an enormous embarrassment, having learned nothing yet in Opposition !
    
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    June 15, 2019 1:01am
Alien

Aww, has princess found a new income for the government

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/113424043/carbon-credits-to-cost-timaru-district-council-700000-per-year

“Timaru District Council could need to pay the Government more than $700,000 each year in carbon credits to meets its obligations under the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). ”
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June 14, 2019 6:40pm
Alien

Where is that idiot Phil Twyford

“Bea Ridgway, 86, says she is moving out of her Waipawa flat after her new landlord decided to increase her rent by 73 per cent”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12238724
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June 14, 2019 8:39pm
Hugh Pavletich

China’s Economy Shows Fresh Signs of Weakness – WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-economy-shows-fresh-signs-of-weakness-11560512903
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