General Debate 13 June 2019

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artemisia

Mr Twyford running away from the BuildNZ Kiwibuild Summit later this month. He was to be the keynote speaker but has to be in Wellington that day.

It’s a three day event, and surely the organisers could rearrange his session.

Maybe there’s another reason he is not going to attend.

Not to worry, Ms Salesa will be attending.

Who?
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June 13, 2019 8:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  She is the next Kiwibuild Minister.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:05am
  - Tricati
    
    Bloody hell – They really are short on talent if Ms Salesa is the best to take over housing.
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:35am
    - sooty
      
      Sucker born every minute!
      
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      June 13, 2019 8:45am
      - sooty
        
        Breaking News!
        Jenny Salesa is resigning from parliament att he next election and is joining “Sir” Mike Cullen at the trough!
        
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        June 13, 2019 9:09am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Ho ho ho, three dead men and a bottle
    of rum.
    Frivolity in Goverment.
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:07am
- Tony Stuart
  
  A strong signal that Mr Twyford is about to be reshuffled out of the portfolio?
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:06am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Is this the beginning of the end of Twitford’s political career?
    I loved the way Parker threw him under the bus.
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:40am
    - sooty
      
      The King of Swarm, needs to retire at the election! Labour had him in training for six long years as oppo housing minister and look were that got them. Were they thick or something?
      
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      June 13, 2019 8:48am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        I wonder if Oxfam will have him back?
        
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        June 13, 2019 9:09am
      - sooty
        
        Not on your nelly!
        They were pleased when he left!
        
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        June 13, 2019 10:19am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Dodgy workplace
        Oxfam sex scandal: Charity had ‘culture of tolerating bad behaviour’, damning report finds
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeDDtemRfOI
        
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        June 13, 2019 1:55pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So Maggy, he already had the necessary culture suited to a coalition with “what’s in it for wynston”?
        
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        June 13, 2019 4:02pm
    - Alien
      
      No, he’ll be given new portfolios. If a minister can assault a staff member twyford can still be finance minister and one day president
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:17pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Hopefully to the very back seats. Just to knock the smug off his dial.
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:31am
    - sooty
      
      Do you think he will be on gardening leave?
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:15pm
hullkiwi

Yesterday, I posted about Auckland Council’s stupidity in passing a motion declaring a “Climate Change Emergency”. Below I’ve posted a link to the Auckland Ratepayers petition against this stupidity that is nothing more than grandstanding, virtue signaling and a money grab. Please sign.

https://www.ratepayers.nz/climate_grandstanding?utm_campaign=190611_ra_climate&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
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June 13, 2019 8:08am
- Than
  
  Agreed. Climate change is not an emergency.
  
  Just being a serious problem doesn’t make something an emergency. An emergency is something that appears suddenly and unexpectedly, requiring immediate action. Climate change is none of those things. It’s been known about for a long time (even if its taken a while to convince some people), and the timescale for both taking action and the consequences to materialize is years or decades.
  
  City councils declaring climate change an emergency is just as wrong as Trump declaring the situation on the US southern border an emergency, for exactly the same reasons. The only difference is Trump’s declaration does something by (legitimately or not) giving him additional powers. The council declarations achieve exactly nothing.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:20am
  - Kabull
    
    Climate ‘change’ is a natural occurrence that has been going on since the beginning of the earth. It is most certainly not an emergency. The only harmful effect of the present hysteria is the mental health damage being done to children ann those who are easily influenced. And the illegal migration across the southern US border IS a genuine emergency. Imagine 140,000 people a month (May’s figure – and undoubtedly understated) flooding uncontrolled into NZ.
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:28am
    - Scott
      
      Kabull – quite agree that the border of the United States is an emergency. Over 1 million people per year have been coming over the southern border illegally, claiming asylum. And then because there are not enough detention facilities they are released into the United States to appear in court at a later date. 90% of them never appear to their court date!
      
      The bigger issue is the issue of sovereignty. Without a border the United States is no longer a sovereign country. If an army of one million people can just cross into your country at any time then you do not have a sovereign nation.
      
      This is a problem in New Zealand as well. Not so much illegal immigration. But huge numbers of legal immigrants coming into our country and changing the nature and composition of our population. Add to this the large number of refugees that our Prime Minister wants to take predominantly from Muslim countries and we can see plenty of problems on the horizon.
      
      The solution is to cut immigration and allow the population to assimilate the newcomers. We need to improve our economy and our productivity. Just importing 70,000 foreigners every year is not a wise long-term solution!
      
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      June 13, 2019 8:59am
      - Positan
        
        Wise words, Scott. The way in which recent NZ administrations have handled immigration assures disastrous consequences within a very short timespan. It used to be that people who came here were expected to adopt the NZ ways and culture and, by and large, leave what they left behind. Look at what’s happened to London, of all places – and that’s exactly what’s going to happen here.
        
        Effectively, the UN has led our governments into betraying the people.
        
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        June 13, 2019 9:36am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Sovereignty is anathema to the UN.
        
        Their plan is for un-elected global governance, and pesky things like national pride, boarders and thoughts of sovereign self-determination really get in the way.
        
        Their immigration pact, endorsed on you behalf by local politicians to aspire ascension to an altogether more luxurious global trough, is the UN’s most brazen move to-date.
        
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        June 13, 2019 9:49am
      - stephieboy
        
        “Wise words, Scott. …”
        
        ??
        
        What on earth…!
        
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        June 13, 2019 9:56am
      - Batman
        
        Scott, your comment can effectively be shortened to “make New Zealand white again”
        
        You’re welcome. You should just be honest about your views
        
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        June 13, 2019 1:45pm
      - Jack5
        
        Race is a pretty imprecise classification of people, but it does not include prejudice against religious affiliation. It can be bigoted, but it’s not “racist” as such to be anti-Islam, or anti-Christianity, or anti-Buddhism.
        
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        June 13, 2019 4:53pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The comparison for NZ is more like 2,500 extras/month. That’s the equivalent of a rural town a quarter more than Eltham.
      Give it 12 months and its close to the size of Gisborne.
      
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      June 13, 2019 9:18am
      - Tall Man
        
        Still unthinkable really.
        
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        June 13, 2019 1:20pm
    - freethinker
      
      That number illegally crossing is an invasion but Trump has sorted it – Mexico didn’t like the idea of a 5% Tariff on exports to the US increasing by 5% a month so they are dealing with the invaders in Mexico – armed troops are persuading the invaders to go elsewhere. Best of all Nasty Pelosi by denying funds for the wall has allowed Trump to solve the problem at Mexico’s cost.
      
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      June 13, 2019 10:55am
      - Batman
        
        Sorted what?
        
        Mexico agreed to do that months ago, in secret meetings with the Homeland Security Secretary that he fired, Kirstjen Nielsen.
        
        All Trump has done is fix a problem he created. Only now there are families dying while attempting to cross the Rio Grande because the Trump admin is using bureaucratic tools to effectively halt asylum processes at legal border crossings.
        
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        June 13, 2019 1:49pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Batman
        No need for a wall now that Trump has made that yuge deal with the three Mexicos. He can move on to other things now, like helping Ireland secure its border, and reading love letters from his BFF in Pyongyang.
        
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        June 13, 2019 2:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        And yet batman, deaths have dropped under Trump. Who would have thought?
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_deaths_along_the_Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border
        
        “The US Border Patrol reported 294 migrant deaths in the fiscal year 2017 (ending September 30, 2017), which was lower than in 2016 (322), and any year during the period 2003-2014”
        
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        June 13, 2019 3:59pm
  - Paginus
    
    Man made climate change is based on fake science.
    Look only 6 months to go to the Glaciers disappear….
    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2019/06/10/glacier-national-park-quietly-removes-its-gone-by-2020-signs/
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:32am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      A “crisis” or an “emergency” is a wonderful tool for the State to use as an excuse to force its will onto the People.
      
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      June 13, 2019 8:40am
      - Rob2
        
        Trump figured that out( except that he was dealing with lefties and anything goes when shafting those of that ilk.) and these dumb shits are doing a copycat act. Next they will be praising Trump!
        I think not.
        
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        June 13, 2019 9:14am
  - krazykiwi
    
    ♢ Climate has always changed.
    ♢ Humans are not materially changing the climate.
    ♢ The models predicted catastrophic outcomes.
    ♢ Empirical evidence has invalidated the models.
    ♢ Doomsayers do now what they always done.
    ♢ It’s time to wake up.
    ♢ The Climate Change™ fad is a gigantic scam, with many well-meaning but gullible people sucked in, and many intelligent but morally/fiscally conflicted people perpetuating it.
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:35am
    - freethinker
      
      Common factor is the Sun whose output varies – join the dots!
      
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      June 13, 2019 10:58am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Do the “climate models” include input from the sun? I would assume that they must.
        What about the complex orbit and progression of the earth’s orbit around the sun? There are some pretty long cycles in there.
        
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        June 13, 2019 11:10am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      The buffalo and bison example?
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:28pm
  - backster
    
    Than…Yes the fact that our children will never see snow during their lifetimes is hardly and emergency…Still the world coming to an end in another eleven years is a cause for concern.
    
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    June 13, 2019 12:20pm
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Ha! about time you Aucklanders got a taste of what we in Wellington face all the time.
  Doesn’t matter which Mayor gets the high seat at the trough, they are all the same and all bow to the fake Green God of take the ratepayers money and screw them over as much as possible.
  Traffic is getting worse, parking harder to find and costs of public transport going up. All this with a message from the scum of “get on your bike”. There was a time that phrase meant to get out of here/move on.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Seems you are slow to get the message, and maybe you should ‘move on’ to a city more to your taste.
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:48am
    - Rob2
      
      Name one in NZ where the council is not infested with the scum.
      Tauranga is going to start the revolution, you watch see.
      We have a campaign. 11 must go and we had a meet the Mayoral candidates night on Tuesday. It was an education. ( They did employ a WCC chuck out and he bought with him some very bad attitudes. )
      
      Tauranga City Council Exposed – Group 2019
      https://www.facebook.com/taurangacitycouncilX/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARBYQJ_-jVP_saJ7vHethCCWQQefJjrS3FYYcmqRM25HKeSc6fjCZyIUAxldv69yNV1FdmyF0FgbtO-W&hc_ref=ARTGCDbOWwxTgYCOkaKwrjEdKgSLy1s6rDE9wcfwa3MK6ZM7Wsf5rIxPHWzZyNdDAyo&fref=nf&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBzXlOPoBS9QZXQWwUPZRIBnF5Z3QRs8Uu-ADMFGmbttiyb_N5TEmVHpQVsKdEQ3eTDXl-XhXgj9n7h3zTga3sgz2vjgHfI34FOErmMFkqvBb67IqoCdY8RlA0YC4xhaZTFmsBpM4mzzqrOvQVX0T8IAkGW5i1CarN0J90qN3KKhPou1tkrDn17EoJVJUHTRILZK7TcZK9KbIZwis1L96Xp3HRwzUNuhtUYpR3SWrlw_n7WqlFesEBcidhNu_d8SKfDFrQ_UCSa4j-G52qlozJhq4–z4Kr7Wz-SssmntuPEkzux8r8lFIQsxY0LMJVud22qVV_CUZPn_UmW2hAmedLI463lnYR8ptRSo1tyzyaU42QopAcjA
      
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      June 13, 2019 9:57am
    - Tall Man
      
      Maybe you should as well mikey… would Pyongyang be more politically aligned with your thinking?
      
      Perhaps you could persuade ardern to go with you rather than have her try to bring that political culture to New Zealand.
      
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      June 13, 2019 1:18pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I chuckled to hear James Shaw pronounce that they were going to fix Wellington’s traffic. Was it the afternoon follies in Parliament yesterday or an excess of Grreen Zeal?
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:24am
  - Maxx
    
    Reminds of Upper Hutt delaring itself a “TPPA Free Zone”
    1. What does that even mean?
    2. How would you enforce that given that it was going to be a legislated trade agreement?
    3. Considering the above, apart from optics, why waste tax payer money doing this?
    4. If you are concerned about optics, leave Government work and fo to Specsavers.
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:34am
- srylands
  
  I don’t know who started this trend.
  
  Since 1997 New Zealand governments have been declaring targets, strategies, and now emergencies. However the policies to materially reduce greenhouse emissions are politically unpalatable. To put it mildly. The best thing we could do to reduce emissions is to discourage tourists from flying all the way to New Zealand.
  
  Ultimately emissions will materially decline when enabling technologies emerge at competitive prices. And there is nothing Auckland Council can do to change that.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:27am
  - hullkiwi
    
    It probably goes back to the mid 1980s when Devonport Borough Council started the virtue signaling by declaring the Borough Nuclear Free.
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We are copying the “declare a climate emergency” from the UK… (just as we did with the ban single-use plastic bag).
    
    https://time.com/5581615/uk-declares-climate-emergency/
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:22am
  - Rob2
    
    Educated clowns.
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:58am
  - Kabull
    
    Why spend huge sums trying to reduce ‘greenhouse emissions’ when the greenhouse panic is as stupid as the sea level rise. I have no issue with pollution reduction, as the state of the atmosphere and environment is important, but I am unable to be convinced that CO2 and climate change is a genuine threat to our future. Observe:
    – the Maldives were supposed to be uninhabitable by now, yet the Chinese are building new airport and tourist facilities;
    – the Chinese have built islands in the South China Sea that have an elevation of less than 5m;
    – South Pacific atolls are in many cases growing rather than sinking.
    – Islands along the boundary of the Australian and Pacific plates are sinking because they are in the subduction zone.
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:03am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      But those are facts…. The IPCC relies on models that acording to old NASA engineers are absolute crap
      
      https://vimeo.com/260593910
      
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/10/hansen-and-schmidt-of-nasa-giss-under-fire-engineers-scientists-astronauts-ask-nasa-administration-to-look-at-emprical-evidence-rather-than-climate-models/
      
      I assume even alarmists admit that NASA scientists who got men to the Moon do know some shit about some stuff. (like Physics, and Chemistry and Engineering….)
      
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      June 13, 2019 8:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Porirua City Council doesn’t seem too concerned about rising sea-levels, especially as they can make a few $$$$ developing coastal properties.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/porirua/113408349/residents-misled-family-disappointed-by-porirua-city-councils-titahi-bay-plans
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:29am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The area’s coastal with high hills coming down to the sea. Not much risk there of green induced flooding.
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:27am
    - Kabull
      
      The bigger threat is natural erosion because of the sand soils and the prevailing westerly wind and sea movement.
      
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      June 13, 2019 10:05am
    - stephieboy
      
      Well you go right ahead and purchase coast beach front properties ,
      
      https://embed.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018692923/coastline-concern-insurance-costs
      
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      June 13, 2019 10:07am
      - All_on_Red
        
        People do buy coastal.This sold for over $5 million. Not bad for a do up. The sea level looks the same since it was first built in the 1900’s and the buyer was obviously happy about that to pay that much.
        I guess thats an inconvenient truth for Science Denying creationists like you.
        Lol
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/109720411/cheltenham-beachfront-cottage-selling-for-first-time-in-120-years
        
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        June 13, 2019 12:10pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, as I suggested you go ahead and purchase your coastline property with the “confidence of a sleepwalker ,
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/107824664/warnings-of-coastal-erosion-fail-to-deter-waterfront-real-estate-buyers
        
        LOL
        
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        June 13, 2019 2:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’ve made this comment to me before.
        My answer remains the same. We already have one.
        No problem with erosion.
        Could be worse. I could live in a block of ten units next to a half way house for parolees
        LOL
        
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        June 13, 2019 3:17pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Red, even worse, next door to steffy girl.
        
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        June 13, 2019 3:55pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Like spending millions on a cycle way between Petone and Wellington. Why would they do that if they believe it will be under water,
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:13am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Isn’t part of the rationale for the cycle way to strengthen the coastline defences for the vital railway and road link?
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:30pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Not unless they plan to build it 30 feet high.
        
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        June 13, 2019 1:10pm
      - Batman
        
        Sea level rises won’t materially effect such infrastructure for another 25 or so years.
        
        Even then, it’ll probably be fine unless there’s a spring tide or a big storm surge
        
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        June 13, 2019 1:55pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Wellington sea level rise is 2.7 mm per year +/- .26
        https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=690-011
        
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        June 13, 2019 2:00pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        True batman. But the rail line is already disrupted by bad weather events, so protecting that is part of the plan.
        
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        June 13, 2019 2:02pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Because?
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:32pm
- niggly
  
  Disappointing that Phil Goff, who is more than “old” enough to remember many other such chicken-little claims over the last few decades (global cooling, acid rain, running out of oil etc) as NEVER ever eventuating is supporting this “Climate Change Emergency” BS.
  
  Goff has stated that what this BS means in practical terms is that a Framework will be developed which will lead to an Action Plan.
  
  Translation = rate payers will be screwed over more because a raft of mega$$ paid Consultants, Experts (and no doubt former Labour politicians) will spend months/years wasting energy drafting up reports. No doubt it will end up costing ratepayers millions of dollars and all for what when that money could be saved by applying common-sense (buy fuel efficient ACC vehicle fleet, deal with sewerage waste discharges, upgrade infrastructure etc)!
  
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  June 13, 2019 10:23am
Happychappy

Phil Twyford seems to think he is exempt from the rules.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/housing-minister-phil-twyford-accused-of-holding-sneaky-undisclosed-meeting.html
It usually takes a couple of terms for arrogance to rule but it seems the Coalition have several MP’s like Twyford.
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June 13, 2019 8:14am
- sooty
  
  First Curran, now Twyford!
  What’s up with Labour?
  All we need now is Cindy’s callender!
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:53am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The funniest thing of all is that David Parker’s office dumped Twyford in it, by releasing an email to Denise Lee under the OIA.
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:33am
  - niggly
    
    Hmmm … with last week’s Little/Robbo revelations, is Jacinda not in for the long haul therefore are Labour’s factions flexing their muscles eg the unions’ Parker/Little v identity politics’ Robbo/Twyford etc, in case there is a leadership change or is this the factions repositioning themselves ready for the 202o election?
    
    Will any “serious investigative journalists” be looking into these scheming and dealings?
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:30am
  - Maxx
    
    Left hand / Right hand? Or is it the subtle work of different factions playing off each other? Saying that, does anyone know who’s in what faction of the Labour Party these days?
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:42am
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/duncan-garner-coalition-government-least-effective-in-25-years.html

Why does he not put Ardern under pressure and ask her the hard questions, when she appears on his show everyweek?
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June 13, 2019 8:14am
- Happychappy
  
  Because the media and their Union do not want a National Government, they need a Government that will help them survive.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s harder than one might think, questioning a politician. Look how easy it is for them to dodge questions in parliament. How much easier it is, then, to bat aside questions from journalists?
  When people really don’t like particular politicians, they strongly feel that their hate has a rational basis and that it must be easy for others to see that politician in a similar light.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:28am
  - Simon
    
    Ardern said pause on immigration but that hasnt happened.
    
    Immigration is tied to national super. Need to tax farm new people to pay for the old people. Simples.
    
    Labo wanted to reduce Nat Super back in 2012 or 2014?? Also Labo understood high immigration caused housing problems & lowered general wages. But John Key shot them down. General population agreed by voting Nats in.
    
    National / Labo on the same immigration page like so many things. How can National go after Labo when they agree on so much?
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:42am
    - Tall Man
      
      Perhaps if you actually listen to the National team in Parliament and went to the website listing their election policies you would understand but…
      
      To make it simple for you, they are pointing out the lies and the non delivery of their “promises” which is part of their job in opposition.
      
      At least they are doing their job, the coalition isn’t and isn’t even trying.
      
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      June 13, 2019 1:04pm
  - sooty
    
    That’s right MMA. They have the duck screwing the scrum in parliament. I’m glad that you agree!
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nothing changes…
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/video/695/simon-walker-interviews-robert-muldoon-1976
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/video/28159/television-interview
    
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    June 13, 2019 1:08pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  Wow, that’s two articles in a row from him berating the government. But as has been said, why doesn’t he ask the hard questions when Ardern is on his show? Unlike TVNZ or other state owned media, the government isn’t his paymaster, so why so soft?
  Me thinks he doesn’t want to upset her in front of the nation and be accused of being a misogamist!
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:55am
Maggie Pie

Even famous American wrapper ‘Fiddy’ wonders why this Hastings based brain surgeon and father of three is unable to find a job…

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByjJsMpHhTk/
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June 13, 2019 8:14am
- Northland Wahine
  
  No Kidding… between he and “Devastate” I doubt they share a brain cell between them.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    Al least they got the spelling right unlike the “KCUF” dimwits…..
    
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    June 13, 2019 1:01pm
BushBaby

Garner on TV3 this morning actually said the govt was worst he had seen in 25 years at delivery on promises. Worm turning?
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June 13, 2019 8:19am
- alloytoo
  
  They certainly appear to have a confidence….er competence gap ……er both actually.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/duncan-garner-coalition-government-least-effective-in-25-years.html
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:34am
  - sooty
    
    Even after her Aunty Helen sent H2 in to sort out the PM dept, nothing changed. Must have gone home!
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:58am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, doesn’t seem reflected in recent polls. A Duncan Garner who himself has come under trenchant criticism from the far right on KB.
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:11am
    - All_on_Red
      
      “from the far right on KB”
      Prove it
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:01pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Yes, because he is usually a sycophant he might actually earn some respect by being non-partisan once or twice.
      
      For most people there surely has to be a tipping point.
      
      Credibility has to come into it somewhere, Garner claims to be a journalist, not just a mouthpiece.
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:39pm
    - Tall Man
      
      They’re sliding, and it ain’t up steffy girl.
      
      More idiot grease to that slide coming from twyford, robertson, “what’s in it for wynston”, jones and even youur dear leader has dumped Parliament and run off to the “Field Days” to sell holdens…..
      
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      June 13, 2019 1:00pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  Easy to say but Garner needs to ask her the hard questions face to face. None of the fluffy Woman’s Day bullshit that other people gush about when talking to her (Hoskings excepted).
  Everyone in the media seems to put her on a pedestal and that her actions are beyond reproach.
  It’s always either some incompetent minister in her caucus or Winston First at fault. I’m sorry, but as Prime Minister you are the one responsible.
  The buck stops with you!
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:48am
  - Tricati
    
    So true FT – She really has had a free ride since being appointed by Peters.
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:57am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Have you noticed that Jacinda seems more curt in her dealings with Hoskings, or am I making shit up again?
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:06pm
Yvette

Treasury “hack” – who appears to have not been “on the same page”, as is one of his favourite expressions –

May 28
9:52 pm – Mr Little contacted the prime minister’s office
10:25pm – Mr Little contacted Finance Minister Grant Robertson via text message
This means that the prime minister and the finance minister were told there was no “hack” two hours after statements were issued that said the Budget information released by National was obtained in that way.

But Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters was not holding back when he spoke to media this afternoon. [ May 29 ]
 He said the information obtained by National had been acquired illegally.
 Asked if he had seen evidence which proved this, Peters said: “Of course”.
When pressed on how he knew, Peters said it was “my job to know”. 
“Information came to them [National] in circumstances where the behaviour was totally illegal and they should have known it,” Peters, said.
 “All I can tell you, whilst I’m not prepared to go public with it, is … the facts look very, very bad for the National Party.”
– Herald website, 29 May, 2019 6:31pm https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12235580

Also the previous morning May 28, 2019 9:09 pm, David Farrar posted “My guess as to what happened” and later updated that with Idiot/Savant –
@norightturnnz May 28, 2019 “It wasn’t a hack. Google “estimates of appropriation 2019/2020″. what shows up?”

So it seems while the Labour Government elite were all “on the same page” – that there was no hack – later on the evening of the 28th, or by very early 29th, there is Winston saying his piece on the afternoon of the 29th.
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June 13, 2019 8:20am
- alloytoo
  
  Winston heard “Attack/smear” National said “OK” and went back to sleep.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:35am
  - sooty
    
    Did Whinney get it on the tv news like Cindy?
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:00am
- G152
  
  Peters had to lie.
  Otherwise he’d have had nothing to say.
  And he has not retracted his obviously incorrect statement and no-one in fake news is going after him.
  Is any-one keeping a tally of his other Huka Lodge moments ????????
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:38am
- Poppa
  
  Surely Ardern, Robertson & Peters didn’t lie did they?
  
  I am sure that has never happened before………
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    I don’t know, I heard somewhere that ardern was a liar but I can only assume that based on his comments around “hacking” robertson is also a liar.
    
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    June 13, 2019 12:56pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Yesterday in Parliament Winston was saying there were opinions about whether or not a crime had been committed. He was doing his usual bluster and blunder–presents as knows everything while knowing nothing. ~~Aging?~~ aged, definitely.
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, it was a farce…
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190612_20190612_04/tab/video?page=8&mode=form
    
    Transcript Q2
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190612_20190612_04
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:08am
  - Maxx
    
    Aged? Maybe?. Pickled. Definitely!
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:57am
    - sooty
      
      Somebody kicked his chair to wale him up, spewed a few words and went back to sleep!
      Just like grandad on Mrs Browns boys!
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “Feck it”……..
        
        Nope, he’s not that erudite.
        
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        June 13, 2019 12:57pm
mikenmildagain

Just when I thought there might not be much happening, someone reminded me that it is International Albinism Awareness Day.
So, if you know any albinos, please join me in wishing them the very best for their special day.
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June 13, 2019 8:24am
- Tarquin North
  
  Did you watch a re-run of the Waltons before you came up with that?
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s their very survival we have to be concerned about
  
  https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2018/05/02/malawi-muslims-want-bishops-to-cite-albino-murders-in-pastoral-letter/
  
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  June 13, 2019 10:54am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    True. So it’s very sad that people would downtick my efforts to promote awareness of their plight.
    
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    June 13, 2019 11:00am
    - sooty
      
      If you weren’t up your own arse and posted better. You would get a different response. As it you are no better than stephie with your snid remarks and everything gets downticked. Suck it up petal!
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:27pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m not sure what ‘snid’ means and I’m afraid it might be a rude word.
        Why do you hate albinos?
        
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        June 13, 2019 2:27pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Miken, you make no effort to inform of any plight when you post your ‘awareness day’ PC grandstanding.
      
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      June 13, 2019 2:14pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s not ‘PC’ grandstanding – it’s just grandstanding. What is Kiwiblog, if it is not a grandstand?
        There’s not much point in having these special days if no one make an effort to publicise them.
        
        But I’ll try to do better tomorrow, for World Blood Donor Day. I don’t know much about it though. Maybe I could do some research overnight and explain to Kiwibloggers what blood donors do and why it is important.
        
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        June 13, 2019 3:54pm
projectman

On this day in 1920 the US Post Office says children cannot be sent by parcel post any more.
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June 13, 2019 8:26am
- alloytoo
  
  And just look where that has taken us to!
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:36am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You could still stamp them tough, right?
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:44am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    *though*
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:52am
  - MH
    
    return to jacinda, address unknown
    no such hacking no such phone
    
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    June 13, 2019 11:18am
    - Tall Man
      
      Now which of her phones are you referring too?
      
      Her government phone or the ones that she keeps for special private friends…. like ritchie hardcore…….
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:51pm
- Alien
  
  Whoops better go back to the post office and get that package back
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:27pm
hullkiwi

The drip feed policy of Genter’s appears to be yet another CoL policy not thought through.

Yes, they had the working group, but her policy appears to have been to have a revenue grab. So, now there is push back, and a back track by the minister on the cameras and the policy to reduce speed limits.

Her policy has all the hallmarks of ideology before strategy and thinking through outcomes.

This morning on RNZ it was reported:
1. Speeds will not be reduced on 87% of NZ roads as the “NZTA were recommending”. Really? It was her policy, and NZTA did as they were told.
2. Genter is quoted saying she would prefer that no revenue is collected from speed cameras, if NZ implements the Swedish model.
The issue for Genter is that the Swedish govt has and continues to invest in their motorway network (some 8,000km) and warns motorists of speed cameras. Neither of which Genter was planning on.

Genter is a dangerous ideologue and should not be anywhere near government.
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June 13, 2019 8:29am
- peterwn
  
  Either Winston vetoed it or her party realised it was a vote loser.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why do you think being an idealogue is a bad thing? Everyone has an ideology – what is wrong with advocating for it?
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:51am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Because ideology is generally taken as a synonym for faith or unsubstantiated beliefs. That leads us to dark places – totalitarianism, communism, theocracy, fascism, persecution wars and holocausts. Balancing choices and decisions using evidence and pragmatism in a contest of ideas is best way forward.
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:26am
    - SGA
      
      Because ideology is generally taken as a synonym for faith or unsubstantiated beliefs.
      
      I don’t think so (but happy to be corrected). Plenty of people here follow ideologies, and would argue that evidence supports their belief in them (e.g., involving private property, free market, democracy, and the rights of the individual). True, the more sensible ones balance their ideological beliefs with a degree of pragmatism.
      To me, what you describe is more a definition of an ideologue – an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is uncompromising and dogmatic (and there are probably a few of those floating around here too).
      
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      June 13, 2019 9:57am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        What makes ideologues dangerous is that they subscribe to the notion that an idea worth dying for is also worth killing for.
        
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        June 13, 2019 11:14am
      - SGA
        
        No. Some do sure, but it isn’t a requirement. Makes a good “soundbite” though. Heavens, an ideology based around the concept of “thou shalt not kill” would predict exactly the opposite of what you are suggesting.
        
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        June 13, 2019 11:27am
      - hullkiwi
        
        SGA, your final sentence sums up Genter precisely. Genter, in her capacity as Assoc Minister of Transport, has put regularly, ideology and politics into her decision making with regards to providing a transport network that works for all New Zealanders.
        
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        June 13, 2019 11:48am
      - SGA
        
        To be honest, I copied that defintion from the Oxford dictionary (blush).
        
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        June 13, 2019 11:58am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh noes, someone is criticising a politician for being (gasp) political.
        
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        June 13, 2019 12:32pm
      - SGA
        
        Yes and no, mma. It seems to me that politicians come in various flavours. Some are pragmatistics at heart but lean towards particular ideologies, others are more ideological but with varying degrees of pragmatism, others are so ideologically driven that they are, for practical intents and purposes, ideologues (whether they be those who know the price of everything and value of nothing, or those who know the value of everything and the price of nothing 🙂 ).
        
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        June 13, 2019 1:30pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Saves thinking and inconsistent with governance which requires it.
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:36am
  - cmm
    
    No problem at all with idealogues in their place.
    
    But a public servant (as MPs, especially Ministers are) should be dealing in facts etc in an unbiased way, not just pushing their favourite advocacy.
    
    If someone working at the police station counter handed out religious tracts to everyone that came to make a statement that would not be acceptable. If courts used the bible to determine if someone is guilty that would not be acceptable.
    
    So why should a Minister be using their platform to tout their religion?
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    Advocating is fine, inflicting it on others is not… but you knew that didn’t you…. didn’t you?
    
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    June 13, 2019 12:48pm
- Micky
  
  Ross Ardern was the police commissioner from 2005-2009. Speed cameras were everywhere collecting revenue back then. National all but phased them out in their last stint.
  
  Now his daughter is Prime Minister – everyone is getting pinged left, right and center. And it’s not just cameras. There is a massive campaign on to bring in coin. I have seen them pulling up and ticketing elderly women on a very safe stretch of road.
  
  It damages public perception of the Police.
  
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  June 13, 2019 10:06am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ross Ardern was Niue’s Police Commissioner from 2005-2009.
    He was never Commissioner of Police in NZ.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissioner_of_Police_(New_Zealand)
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:45am
    - Micky
      
      https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/profiles/jacinda-ardern-running-on-instinct/
      
      extract –
      As Ardern revealed, fate could have seen her in the police instead of politics.
      
      “The longest serious consideration I gave to any career was becoming a policewoman. Even when I worked for Phil Goff, I was seriously considering joining the police.”
      
      The force beckoned because Ardern thought it would satisfy her urge to help people. She would also be following in her father Ross’s footsteps. But it wasn’t to be. “The physical side of the exam was too hard. I can remember doing the running and then getting to the big test and the dream just fell by the wayside. I remember conversations with my father about how often you get assaulted, how tough it is, how rough. He always encouraged me… (artistic license follows) to install more speed camera’s
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:15pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Yep, she always been lazy.
        
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        June 13, 2019 12:47pm
      - cmm
        
        I piss myself to death imagining PriNZess trying to arrest anyone.
        
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        June 13, 2019 12:49pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Tall Man, I think good on her (for once) for realising her physical limitations in that field. Some people just aren’t built for the heavy side of Police work.
        
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        June 13, 2019 2:21pm
  - stephen2d
    
    Ross is a good man, Micky. There is no need to make shit up about him.
    
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    June 13, 2019 12:06pm
    - Micky
      
      I’m sure he is. That doesn’t mean he has zero influence on his daughters desire to increase speed cameras and ticketing. And that their reasons for ticketing old ladies are for safety rather than revenue.
      
      The fact that his daughter is revenue hungry may indicate she is a chip off the old block (is that a fair assumption?)
      
      If you know him so well – you could always ask.
      
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      June 13, 2019 1:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: The ‘flight to affordability’ is well and truly underway in New Zealand … including commercial …

… Have you checked out Greater Christchurch New Zealand commercial rental trends lately ? …

… The overall ‘flight to affordability’ internally and externally is well and truly underway in New Zealand … refer 2019 section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …

Big city retail and office rents are stable or falling, new report shows | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113245591/big-city-retail-and-office-rents-are-stable-or-falling-new-report-shows

… extract …

… Christchurch

JLL’s report shows Christchurch retail rents are about one third of Auckland’s in prime areas.

In the first quarter Christchurch suburban retail rents fell 6.5 per cent and were now between $325 a square metre and $750sqm.

In the CBD retail rents were stable within a wide range from $475sqm to $1000sqm. Secondary CBD retail rents were falling and were between $250sqm and $500sqm, down 3.2 per cent.

Transactions in Christchurch showed office rents were under pressure and still declining.

Prime CBD office rents fell from $340sqm to $325sqm, 4.4 per cent. Secondary CBD office rents fell even more from $243sqm to $213sqm, a 12.4 per cent decline.

Suburban offices did not fare better with prime space decreasing 3.4 per cent to $213sqm and secondary decreasing 11.8 per cent to $150sqm.

The industrial market was active with a wide variety of tenants looking to secure space. Vacancy rates remained low and rent levels were rising in some sectors.
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Bulk discount retailer Costco to open $90 million site in New Zealand … TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/bulk-discount-retailer-costco-open-90-million-site-in-new-zealand
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… as consumer demands and commercial pressures force retailers and other service providers to follow North American trends … exiting obsolete and excessive costs enclosed Malls for much lower cost stand – alone locations with high standard vehicle access and free parking … with Greater Christchurch leading the way …

Kmart latest to announce plans as big stores turn backs on Christchurch malls … Liz McDonald … The Press Christchurch

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112375143/kmart-latest-to-announce-plans-as-big-stores-turn-backs-on-christchurch-malls

… Consumers lead the changes in the constant ‘flight to affordability’ … while service providers and urban planners do their best to meet their demands … if the latter are interested in survival (some service providers and urban governments however deliberately choose to be losers … such as the former Central Christchurch, The Bureaucrats Bog).
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June 13, 2019 8:31am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Watch when the Northern and Southern motorways come on stream in Christchurch early / mid next year … WOW … talk about land supply competition then !!!
  
  Copy of an April KB post …
  
  Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2019 8:58 p.m.
  Subject: NEW ZEALAND: Contrasting performances – Christchurch Motorways Projects – Auckland Rail Project …
  
  Posted at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/04/general_debate_20_april_2019.html/comment-page-1?unapproved=2477378&moderation-hash=964bf2ec6eb16c30a0a093298caee392#comment-2477378
  
  NEW ZEALAND: Contrasting performances – Christchurch Motorways Projects – Auckland Rail Project …
  
  … No comment required … just draw your own conclusions …
  
  New motorways soon to transform Canterbury driving habits | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/111266627/new-motorways-soon-to-transform-canterbury-driving-habits#comments
  
  … and …
  
  Auckland City Rail Link: Phil Twyford blamed for ‘biggest project blowout’ … Newshub
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/auckland-city-rail-link-phil-twyford-blamed-for-biggest-project-blowout.html
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:30am
Maggie Pie

That one cup in your house that’s somehow better than all the other cups.
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June 13, 2019 8:38am
lastmanstanding

Looking forward to Costco arriving. In Oz their prices are 25% to 30% cheaper than competitors.

They cover lots of sectors not just food.

Time we had some real competition instead of the monopoly and duopoly we have had for decades.

Hopefully Aldi will follow and then we will have a fully competitive market.
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June 13, 2019 8:52am
- alloytoo
  
  It’s going to be interesting, especially in the whiteware and home entertainment sector which has had some consolidation in the past few years.
  
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  June 13, 2019 8:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    We still have a few brands that are restricted to certain retailers allowing outrageous margins.
    
    People think they are buying a “superior” brand because of the price… before you buy, check the margins by looking across the ditch at “The Good Guys” or Harvey Norman in Oz.
    
    My son just bought a dishwasher in Oz..$595.00, here on sale $969.00. Same brand, same model.
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:30am
jcuk

The bad business of a mother giving birth to her child on the floor of some building because the mid-wife didn’t have a key to a proper area,
The hospital board instead is going to provide a new place at multi dollar expense [some time next year] instead off the simple solution of a less than $10 key … brilliant!!!
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June 13, 2019 8:55am
brett68

Good article on Fonterra had no idea it was in such bad shape.
Valued at 6.5 billion has 6.5 billion in debt and has lost 40% of its value since 2012, currently selling off assets like Tip Top to get the debt levels down.

I reckon they’ll sell it to the Chinese before it goes completely tits up, what a disaster.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12238017
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June 13, 2019 8:55am
- Paulus
  
  Not to China but to the Swiss Nestles who have always wanted it too as part of their huge worldwide empire.
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:13am
  - brett68
    
    Whatever way they go it’s going to be bad news for the farming sector.
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:35am
  - Jack5
    
    Would Nestle want Fonterra, Paulus?
    
    I thought they were more interested in downstream processing and consumer marketing than in the commodity end of the milk business.
    
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    June 13, 2019 7:48pm
Happychappy

This shows you the intelligence of some in our media.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/spy/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503840&objectid=12239623
Because Justin Bieber does it doesn’t mean it their right also.
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June 13, 2019 8:55am
- Frank Thomas
  
  I know she was only joking and trying to be “edgy”, but can you imagine the howls of protest from certain quarters if somebody like Kate Hawkesby had said the same thing about Mother Jacinda?
  The silence is deafening……
  
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  June 13, 2019 10:01am
hullkiwi

Yet another example was on RNZ news this morning that NZ’s Muslim community has been emboldened to be more demanding by 15/03/19 events in Christchurch.

Yesterday, Dame Patsy Reddy opened a new hall at an Islamic School in West Auckland (New Lynn).

In the next breath the Islamic community made it known they want more such schools.

Message to the Islamic community of NZ, faith based schools are private schools that meet national curriculum standards. Pay for them yourselves and ensure they meet the National Curriculum and you can have them. This is not the middle East or the UK, so take your demands elsewhere!
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June 13, 2019 9:00am
- Paulus
  
  Saudi Arabia has and is pushing large sums of money into the Muslim Community here.
  They did also after the Christchurch massacre.
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:15am
  - cmm
    
    Saudi Arabia likely paid for the building of various mosques around NZ too – just like elsewhere in the world.
    
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    June 13, 2019 9:50am
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm, ” likely” ??
      
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      June 13, 2019 10:16am
    - sooty
      
      So why are some kiwis donating?
      
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      June 13, 2019 10:26am
      - Tall Man
        
        Some voted for ardern, there’s no accounting for stupidity….
        
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        June 13, 2019 12:11pm
- stephieboy
  
  hullkiwi, paranoia in overdrive again?
  
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  June 13, 2019 10:17am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Stephie, no!
    
    Read Swiftly’s comment below.
    
    Stephie, you really do live down to people believing you are a knee jerk reacting troll, to whom one can only say “You stupid boy!”
    
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    June 13, 2019 11:56am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      That term has been acquired elsewhere, not a fair reflection/comparison.
      
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      June 13, 2019 1:13pm
- Swifty
  
  No, no, no, no, no.
  
  ‘Iqra Elementary is currently private but it is in the process of applying to be integrated into the state system.
  
  By doing so, it said it would receive more support from the government to grow and help more Muslim children learn about their religion and also become better New Zealand citizens.’
  
  There you have it folks. ‘Give us money to subsidise the cost of teaching our religion.’
  
  The effing cheek of it.
  
  Religion is a private matter. No public funds should be used to support religion, and nobody should be taxed to provide revenue subsequently supplied to a religion they don’t support.
  
  Notwithstanding this, and in order to show their virtue, $100 says Labour will happily give taxpayer money to help spread Islam, even though they forced partnership schools to close down their successful model – but I’d be happy if they proved me wrong.
  
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  June 13, 2019 11:25am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Have you not heard of integrated schools before?
    
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    June 13, 2019 11:54am
    - Swifty
      
      You already know what my answer to that is.
      
      Smart arse.
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:03pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ok then, I’ll tell you. When the Catholic schools were collapsing in the 1970s, the church cut a special deal with the government to have the taxpayers fund them. One of the unfortunate effects of that was that other schools could claim to have a ‘special character’ (religious, mainly). So instead of taxpayers being forced to fund religious education for catholics only, we can now pay for jews, muslims, presbyterians, or whoever to get their children indoctrinated in the superstition of their choice.
        
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        June 13, 2019 12:39pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Get god out of schools! ‘faith’ schools are a travesty of bullying brain washing backed by violence on minds too young to resist. The catholic quasi-monopoly on urban schooling is utter shite with kids and parents being forced to lie and deceive to get into the best local schools – what a terrible life lesson for a child. Let kids get a completely secular schooling, without branding and associated cause for ostracism, so that they are more free to choose their own path in adulthood. Families can do religion out of school hours if they choose.
        
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        June 13, 2019 3:34pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Would love to see how their integration is going…….
      
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      June 13, 2019 12:45pm
      - stephieboy
        
        You can begin by following the process here,
        
        https://www.education.govt.nz/school/managing-the-network-of-schools/changing-your-school-structure/becoming-an-integrated-school/
        
        A process that all independent / special character schools have to follow !
        
        Catholic, Protestant . Muslim etc
        
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        June 13, 2019 2:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Seems to be working out…
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111430202/muslim-students-rousing-haka-to-remember-christchurch-terror-attack-victims
        
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        June 13, 2019 7:17pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Item on Red Radio this morning with *no single query* about teaching islamic values (which ones exactly, what about the ones that do conflict with NZ law, like wife beating??) and at muslim children feeling NZ schools have not helped them in their ‘identity’ (why is their identity so focused on their religion?)
  
  The item was all just fairy dust and rainbows, no queries at all about which values will be taught and whether other values won’t be, because they do conflict with NZ law.
  
  Basically: what will be taught, the values of Mecca or Medina?
  
  And before Miken and Stuffy start: I’m an atheist and don’t defend all aspects of the bible, so don’t even go there!
  
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  June 13, 2019 2:36pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    My comment is already above at 12.39. FWIW, I agree entirely with UrbanNeolonialist’s comment at 3.43.
    No use getting upset about Muslim schools unless you oppose all the other religious schools or just don’t support freedom of conscience.
    
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    June 13, 2019 3:45pm
    - Tall Man
      
      mikey, never having been to a religious based school I cannot comment directly but I did have mates and a few young ladies as aquaintances that did. My understanding was that they weren’t vastly different to the schooling I received but can we say that about a muslim school.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/112170269/almadinah-schools-board-dissolved-following-complaints-of-financial-mismanagement-and-staff-problems
      
      The issues in that article point to a serious problem and I fail to see why “Charter Schools” were an anathema to labour but this type is not.
      
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      June 13, 2019 4:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I have no problem with anyone learning about their religion or culture but not on my dollar.
    
    We should provide free education but the periphery comes at your cost, not mine.
    
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    June 13, 2019 3:50pm
Yvette

Forestry and Regional Economic Minister Shane Jones is adamant the Billion Trees Programme is on track despite worker shortages.

… Prue Younger, from the Forest Industry Contractors Association, wanted faster access to migrant labour saying it takes months to get immigration approval.
Ms Younger said the industry wanted to train up New Zealanders, but that would take time.
“To get them actually trained up, give them the culture and the life skills that they need, whereas we’ve got migrants coming in from Suva, who desperately want the work, work really hard and are fantastic workers,” she said.

This is apparently ‘balanced’ by another media item where Nathan Fogden, a forestry contractor, says –
He was hiring Pacific Island workers who had been a fantastic addition to the workforce, but there was a huge challenge to get them here and keep them here. He said he wanted workers for the long-term because they take several months to go through training.

So the actual difference between New Zealand workers and migrant workers is that the latter “desperately want the work, work really hard and are fantastic workers”

Meanwhile – “I have heard these concerns, they have been directly discussed with me and I’m willing to take the issue up with the Minister of Immigration.
But I have to be realistic, I am also a champion to ensure that our own young people are made to get up, leave their dissolute ways and work for a living.” – Shane Jones

Why, Shane? “Our own young people” know your Government have dumped welfare sanctions.
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Oddly – The goal is to plant a mix of a billion native and exotic trees by 2028 – to support a low emission economy, protect the environment and create ongoing employment.
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June 13, 2019 9:01am
- Prince
  
  ‘Get up, leave their dissolute ways…’.
  Why ? Benefit and ’emergency’ top ups are paid no questions asked.
  Who would want to plant trees when they can ‘earn’ as much on the benny.
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:26am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Could have all been trained by now, anyway wouldn’t it mainly be on the job training? Why wouldn’t you be constantly training the next batch, so eventually you wouldn’t need immigrant labour.
    
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    June 13, 2019 1:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    As I have previously said, I planted trees while at college and it was damned hard work but, it was great fun with a great bunch of guys, especially when they got rid of the useless lazy buggers and it made me as fit as a buck rabbit and I gained serious strength which has remained through the bulk of my life.
    
    As a young fellow and while doing second jobs I always chose those that were fairly physical and I firmly believe that muscle development assists me now as I turn into a grey haired walking stick carrying old bastard……
    
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    June 13, 2019 3:49pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Any loosening from WINZ is very selective. A white 50+ male is close to starving because WINZ are demanding his family support him.
  WINZ are fearsome if you are on the wrong side of their staff or files. The rules vary as they please.
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:42am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Months to go through training? Tree planting is a common summer job for students in other countries like Canada. Might have to get fit, but it is only a few days to learn the basics, and a few weeks to get good at it.
  
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  June 13, 2019 3:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Get fit”.
    
    Man, that is a massive understatement but it was a greatholiday job and you need to be fit to start but boy, you certainly get fitter 🙂
    
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    June 13, 2019 4:31pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yeah doing Ag-work in summer holidays is a great way to teach you the benefits of an education with nice indoor work and no heavy lifting. Did hay-carting one summer, jogging 10-20km and lifting 1-2000 40kg wet bales from ground to over your head in one day and you feel it – as fit as I was I still got cramps in every major muscle group. Drinking up to 10 litres of ice water just to keep cool on a hot sunny day. All townies should spend a few months doing farm labour in their youth, would change their views on a huge amount of stuff.
      
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      June 13, 2019 7:07pm
alloytoo

Moderation.

It’s been almost 3 months since the Christchurch terror event and since DPF introduced stricter moderation to Kiwiblog.

Moderation is a thankless job as people will always complain about the time it takes to approve comments, and then be hobgoblins about consistency.

I would like to thank the moderators (whomever they are) for their efforts.

Now, having dutifully sucked up, I’d like to suggest you start to create a whitelist of commentators whom despite posting with a handle, have not needed moderation.

Will make your lives a lot easier.

[Mod: Thanks for your kind words. Your suggestion will be passed on to DPF]
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June 13, 2019 9:19am
- krazykiwi
  
  Here, here! I’ve been posting at KB since (IIRC) 2006, and never once demerited. There are plenty of us around these parts, and it’s a sad waste of moderators time to mechanically approve 100% of what should be approved automatically.
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    Pretty sure I’ve only been smacked for the “jimmy 2 mums” title and repetitive posting of “ardern is a liar”.
    
    I’m fairly certain that the events of the last week have probably proven me to be correct in awarding that title to “what’s in it for wynston” ‘s pr girl.
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:19am
  - Martin Williams
    
    I’ve been posting at KB since (IIRC) 2006, and never once demerited.
    
    I think that was part of the problem.
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:48am
    - Tall Man
      
      “I think that was part of the problem”
      
      No martin, it’s that you still are…….
      
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      June 13, 2019 1:23pm
- calendar girl
  
  A very sensible suggestion, allytoo. I’m another who has never been “demerited” and, while also acknowledging the moderators for the thankless job that they do, I feel personally that blanket and delayed moderation may be causing KB to lose much of it’s former immediacy of debate. So your “whitelist” idea appeals as a sound compromise suggestion.
  
  I think that my most serious egregious offence (over my many years here) involved criticising PM Ardern’s ongoing wearing of hijabs for some two weeks after the 15 March mosque attack. I considered then (and still do) that she had reached a point of alluding to the tragedy as a silent aspect of establishing her own personal Prime Ministerial image. And for that, our genial host included me – by implication – amongst a number of commentators whom he labelled as “lacking empathy”. In my view, both our host and I were using our freedom of speech as we saw fit; but DPF is the KB site’s owner (and I respect that)!
  
  Full moderation of longstanding KB contributors – who have never been demerited or had comments expunged – seems to be on the ‘heavy’ side when the principal risk that they pose is their use of a nom-de-plume. (Many who do use a nom-de-plume will have their own personal and legitimate reasons for doing so.) After a year or two of unblemished ‘probation’, such commentators should not require ongoing moderation. Even if they do err in rare specific comments, the sources of such comments are known on the site-owner’s records. And such offending comments can still be deleted by the owner or a moderator if (a) he’s made aware and (b) agrees that they fail to meet the site’s required standards.
  
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  June 13, 2019 2:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m not sure if I’ve been “demerited” but I do concede that I have sailed pretty close to the wind with my comments when dealing with extreme stupidity that some commenters exhibit.
    
    I have also had a bit chucked back and I can deal with that as I expect that type of interaction is what makes a blog hum.
    
    I don’t mind the actual moderation but as we have all seen it results in multiple replies/comments exactly the same as the moderation makes them invisible while under moderation.
    
    I don’t have an answer but I really would like to know exactly what has prompted this. Are we to be investigated because I called ardern a liar or Calendar Girl rightly criticised ardern for being a virtue signaller and embarrassment to a large proportion of New Zealand.
    
    Was someone alluding to steffy girl having an unhealthy affection for billy goats going to increase the likelihood of this blog being subjected to litigation or some other absurd insult to another?
    
    I really would like to know what we are avoiding, especially when the one post/opinion piece that was actually refrerred to outside this blog was David G’s comments on the lack of assimilation of muslim immigrants and refugees, which the vast majority of New Zealand would heartily endorse.
    
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    June 13, 2019 3:42pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I agree. Also, the comments policy itself needs revision to reflect DPF’s announced changes. The mods do a good job.
    Are there any regular commenters anyone is missing?
    
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    June 13, 2019 3:48pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  “whitelist of commentators whom despite posting with a handle, have not needed moderation.”
  “Your suggestion will be passed on to DPF”
  
  I suggested this ages ago. Did DPF even consider it?
  
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  June 13, 2019 2:51pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Perhaps a whitelist option doesn’t exist.
    
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    June 13, 2019 3:39pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Or it is just too racist to be permissible in these progressive times..
      
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      June 13, 2019 4:22pm
Maggie Pie

My partners thinking about getting a new wagon for shooting and fishing trips so is heading off to have a browse around the Field Day.

Reckons he wouldn’t be seen dead in a ‘Holden Colorado’ [“…too gay”].

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D81TN_cUEAENyg9?format=jpg&name=900×900
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June 13, 2019 9:24am
- Poppa
  
  Foggy here today Maggie, hopefully he can find his way home
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Funnily enuff Poppa, my mum nicknamed him ‘Fog’
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:21am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Because he was thick and wet? That’s the reason Prince Charles used to bear that nickname…
      
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      June 13, 2019 11:18am
      - RalphT
        
        I thought that was the name Charles and the other royals used for Captain Mark Philips, Anne’s first husband, who certainly was thick and wet.
        
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        June 13, 2019 12:41pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    In Christchurch the clouds are leaking down the Port Hills at Ferrymead.
    
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    June 13, 2019 12:40pm
- Inandout
  
  Japanese makes are so reliable why go unreliable Aussie pretend Holdens?
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:50am
  - alloytoo
    
    Aren’t the pretend one’s Korean?
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:30am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5QUHh__lvk
    
    Japanese long-term vision (yadda, yadda, yadda).
    They had better think about their future, since the birth rate has fallen again. The Japanese population will shrink by several hundred thousand again this year.
    
    (Not that South Korea or China can smirk.)
    
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    June 13, 2019 12:09pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Doesn’t seem like Japan will really suffer from dropping in population – more space for everyone. Robo-servants are going to become real within next 10-20 years given AI advances so a lot of menial jobs will be automated, and should still be able to maintain all your productive output.
      
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      June 13, 2019 3:44pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  Dunno, I hear they make good vehicles for carrying lawnmowers……
  
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  June 13, 2019 10:14am
  - sooty
    
    Yer, you can get a ton of product on the back!
    
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    June 13, 2019 10:21am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… It is now.
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:25pm
- Alien
  
  Weird, but I guess that is a hunting thing to leave the roadkill on the vehicle
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:42pm
Martin Williams

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Jordan Williams from the Tax Dodger’s Union now caught Trump-like lying.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/taxpayers-union-not-sorry-for-comparing-phil-twyford-to-a-stroke-victim.html

To add to the nastiness of using stroke victims to score political points, he now trying to airbrush the social media response.

People responding to the meme called the RWNJ group “idiots” and “shit hoses”. Downtick this comment if you think Jordan Williams [or Martin Williams] is a shit hose.
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- Wired-one
  
  I down ticked your comment because I disagree with its premise. Sorry if that offends you, but I’m sure there is a safe space somewhere around here.
  
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  June 13, 2019 10:57am
- Ross12
  
  “Downtick this comment if you think Jordan Williams is a shit hose”
  Aren’t you clever !!
  I down ticked it because I read it as
  ” Downtick this comment if you think Martin Williams is a shit hose”
  
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  June 13, 2019 11:00am
- Martin Williams
  
  I’m picking the edit above is by David Farrar, co-founder of the ~~Taxdodger’s~~ Taxpayer’s Union.
  
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  June 13, 2019 11:48am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m picking that should you desire to remain here you will get remined that abusing the host is a fast path to where you beloved leader will be next year….. nowhere…….
    
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    June 13, 2019 12:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  As I said yesterday, I abhor what Jordan did as no disabled person ever deserves to be compared to a total shit bag like twyford.
  
  I think he needs to apologise forwith for daring to assume that twyford would ever possess either the courage or integrity that a stroke victim must have to get through their illness.
  
  Using someone as low as twyford for a comparison to any decent human being is offense……
  
  Now, if the mods allow it… piss off.
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:07pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  No one should have to apologise for comparing Phil Twford to a hopeless, out of his depth, incompetent.
  Phil should apologise for offering himself as pretending to be capable of governing.
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:36pm
Rob2

Archaeologists find signs of ritualised cannabis smoking 2500 years ago in China

Archaeologists have dug up evidence that people were catching a cannabis buzz way, way before Woodstock, before the Summer of Love and even before there were jazz clubs or alarmist movies warning of “Reefer Madness.”

Apparently, the use of cannabis as a mind-altering substance dates back at least 2500 years.

That’s the conclusion of a new study, published Wednesday in the journal Science Advances, based on the chemical analysis of cannabis residues found by archaeologists in a Western China burial site.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/113443767/archaeologists-find-signs-of-ritualised-cannabis-smoking-2500-years-ago-in-china
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June 13, 2019 10:15am
- Tall Man
  
  They also buried thousands of soldiers while still alive.
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:08pm
  - Inandout
    
    And in the process the soldiers turned into terracotta.
    
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    June 13, 2019 12:44pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Wasn’t that amaaazing….
      
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      June 13, 2019 2:01pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      ‘fossilised’
      
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      June 13, 2019 2:31pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “Stoned”……..
        
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        June 13, 2019 3:28pm
sooty

Just think of the comments from everbody if he turned up in one of them!
Have Holden got woke?
What on earth were they thinking?
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June 13, 2019 10:24am
alloytoo

Apparently no evidence to support the notion that our belching livestock are going to effect the climate.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/12/study-cattle-methane-is-a-moooot-point-in-global-climate/
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June 13, 2019 10:32am
- Ross12
  
  That settles it alloytoo. We are lectured about following the science. That science looks OK to me. It is all settled. Remove the methane reduction targets from Shaw’s bill.
  (BTW. I am not being sarcastic )
  
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  June 13, 2019 11:04am
  - alloytoo
    
    In my mind including Methane belching of herbivorous animals was always dodgy as hell.
    
    It sort of assumes there were never any naturally occurring herbivores ever.
    
    Belching vegans on the other hand appear to have increased along with CO2 levels.
    
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    June 13, 2019 11:26am
- rightoverlabour
  
  and remember that CO2 is measured in parts per million (ppm) while Methane is measured in parts per Billion (ppb) and makes up, wait for it… Methane makes up just 0.00018 percent of the atmosphere. I am shitting myself worrying about my future everytime I fart…
  
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  June 13, 2019 7:49pm
Happychappy

10,000 people have signed up for the Heralds pay wall a lot more than they expected.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-bulletin/13-06-2019/the-bulletin-has-the-nz-herald-paywall-actually-worked/?amp
I can do without reading 75% of their journalism.
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June 13, 2019 10:45am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The Herald has journalism?
  Who knew?
  
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  June 13, 2019 11:16am
- Ross12
  
  If they think 10,000 is good they had very low expectations.
  What was the circulation of the NZH , say 10 years ago, when people had to pay far more for the paper than getting through their paywall?
  I’d read 10,000 as a total disaster.
  
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  June 13, 2019 11:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I read it as an exaggeration.
    
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    June 13, 2019 11:32am
  - Alien
    
    10,000 that’s prolly just the government employees signing up to be able to read what princess is doing
    
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    June 13, 2019 4:17pm
- kevn
  
  @Happy… Would you believe the Herald though?
  No.
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:23pm
- mandk
  
  Why would anyone pay NZD5 a week (when the introductory period ends) when they could read local news on Stuff for free and get world news and a wide range of other good quality editorial content from the Telegraph for GBP2 a week?
  
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  June 13, 2019 1:19pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  They are idiots.. Google NZ Hearld Fixer….
  
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  June 13, 2019 7:41pm
Maggie Pie

A twitter friend from Hong Kong wonders how long before the Tanks start rolling 🙁
Watch as HK police beat the livivg daylights out of poor young girl

https://twitter.com/VinkyYan/status/1138866313147760640
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June 13, 2019 10:52am
- Tall Man
  
  That’s looking very bad.
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:03pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah wouldn’t be surprised if the PLA roll in and HK is annexed to China.
    
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    June 13, 2019 3:50pm
Fletch

The DHB deficit has jumped $40 million in just one month.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/david-clark-dhb-deficit-jumps-40-million-in-just-one-month/

Well done, Labour *slow clap*
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June 13, 2019 11:15am
- alloytoo
  
  They’re clearly spending more money and since the government has removed measurements and targets we must of necessity accept stories of increased wait times and poorer service.
  
  Spending more for less. Sound management.
  
  Yeah Right.
  
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  June 13, 2019 11:29am
- Tall Man
  
  I wish they would get the “clap”, they’ve fucked half of New Zealand…….
  
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  June 13, 2019 11:56am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch and coy I bet Hosking never raised DHBs big deficits from a few hears ago,
  
  https://www.oag.govt.nz/2018/health-sector-audits/docs/health-sector-audits.pdf
  
  And,
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/96144261/117m-deficit-for-kiwi-health-boards-more-than-double-original-forecast
  
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  June 13, 2019 2:24pm
  - Tall Man
    
    What happened during the last administration is irrelevant, it’s what is happening now.
    
    Did National have a sexual assault at an event that the PM had attended that they then hid from the parent’s of the victims then from the public and press?
    
    Did National grant permanent residence to a convicted drug dealer while he was in prison?
    
    Just for reference…..
    
    “Long-delayed monthly financial performance data shows district health boards are heading for a big combined deficit of $346 million.”
    
    Isn’t that an increase of almost 300% in just 18 months?
    
    Now piss off.
    
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    June 13, 2019 3:28pm
    - Alien
      
      And they’ve reduced elective operations while increasing the deficit.. Sounds about right for the mess labour left health in last time.
      
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      June 13, 2019 4:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What’s the right age to quit maths?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48550862

https://www.bbc.com/teach/teach/can-anyone-be-a-maths-genius/z7jbt39
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June 13, 2019 11:26am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Probably at high school for 99% of people. Computers programs created with help from a few highly skilled mathematicians have taken away need to learn calculus, number theory, transforms and other high level maths. I did honours maths, got close to enough credits for a math degree, and work in a highly technical STEM field, but only use calculus and matrix math a few times a year, though algebra (mostly in my head at this point) is every day. Most problems that used to require sophisticated analytic solutions can now be quickly and easily solved using simple numerical solutions on computer tools.
  
  I would say though that getting good at mental arithmetic is hugely valuable – has always been super useful to me to be able to answer what-if’s in a few seconds rather than 20-60 seconds taken to fumble with calculators etc. It’s a highly productive skill to have in meetings.
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Around age 50? When someone cracks your ‘eternity puzzle’ and you turn to full-time fruitcakery?
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:04pm
mandk

I am upset by the link between Phil Twyford and stroke victims.

Having a stroke is bad enough, but being likened to Twyford is too much to bear.
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June 13, 2019 11:41am
- Scooter
  
  At least stroke victims have an excuse, what’s Phil’s?
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:43pm
Jack5

The Christchurch Press has lost its mind. Yesterday, it lamented that its readers’ beloved Crusaders had NOT been forced to change their name.

Today, it yet again gives a platform to a New Zealand migrant who is a critic of the West, Donna Miles-Mojab.

I joked yesterday that maybe Al Jazeera had bought Stuff. Today, I’m not sure they would be giving her a platform.

She is overly conciliatory to extremist Islam, such as the murdering ISIS. This is an extract from an article of Miles-Mojab published in the NZ Herald and on the web:

“In the media, we have heard much about the barbaric side of Isis: the terrorism, the beheadings and the ethnic cleansing, etc., but we have not heard about the other side of the Islamic State.”

And …

“If you thought Isis were made up of just uneducated jihadists, you are very much mistaken. Isis has many highly educated followers who understand the full potential of science, technology and social media.”

Miles-Mojab is sometimes described as an Anglo-Iranian-Kiwi. She was born in Britain to Iranian parents, and has moved to NZ as an adult. She is an example of how difficult it can be for second-generation Muslims to integrate in the West.

Miles-Mojab has advocated for a permanent increase in New Zealand’s refugee intake. She defends the hijab. And she appears to have open entry to the Christchurch Press.
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June 13, 2019 11:51am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Sorry Donna, when a group uses “terrorism, beheadings and ethnic cleansing”, there is no ‘other side’.
  
  Next you’ll be telling us about Hitler’s wonderful youth camps…
  
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  June 13, 2019 3:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Or a labour youth camp……….
    
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    June 13, 2019 4:27pm
- Swifty
  
  Ed Husain gave her a great spanking last month when here.
  
  Showed her up bigly.
  
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  June 13, 2019 4:40pm
  - Jack5
    
    Swifty, I think this link is to Husain showing up Miles-Mojab:
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/writers/audio/2018691604/word-christchurch-festival-2018-ed-husain-debates-his-book-the-house-of-islam
    
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    June 13, 2019 7:01pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Radio NZ is particularly good at presenting that kind of debate.
      
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      June 13, 2019 7:44pm
Maggie Pie

Watched ‘Speakers Briefing’ yesterday. I had no idea that Trev was a ginga!
And always love it when Nick Smith asks a question [#11 today] – the look that comes across Trev’s face when he gives him the call is priceless 🙂
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June 13, 2019 12:12pm
- Tall Man
  
  His facial expressions show he’s an immature bully.
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:41pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Two ‘volatile’ personalities, shall we say?
  
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  June 13, 2019 12:42pm
  - Tall Man
    
    One volatile, unfortunately the duck is just an arsehole.
    
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    June 13, 2019 2:00pm
- Alien
  
  You were looking at the speakers briefing? Well do give us your fashion take on his briefs.
  
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  June 13, 2019 4:13pm
Maggie Pie

I don’t know if its just me – or has anyone else noticed how most of those lefty feminists on a mission to save the world all seem to look like this?

https://twitter.com/HelpRefugees/status/1138027757907169280
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June 13, 2019 1:43pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Poor Duncan Donut, he will be in the sighst of the COL and supporters after this https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/duncan-garner-coalition-government-least-effective-in-25-years.html

I think he has nailed this quite clearly and articulately, however, I would think his estimate of 25 years is on the low side.
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June 13, 2019 2:24pm
slightlyrighty

Mallard is running Full Interference today.
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June 13, 2019 2:33pm
Happychappy

MCos the silence is deafening on your reluctance to condemn your Messiah of the Coalitions lie and bullshit on the budget hack, especially after the criticism that you had on Bill English and the way he handled taping of a MP’s Staffer in the Clutha electorate, on how he wouldn’t answer the questions. Seems Winston like you is a hypocrite.
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June 13, 2019 2:43pm
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/tv-guide/113444160/mark-richardson-talks-politics-ive-picked-a-side-im-part-of-a-team#comments

Read the comments and see how many on the left want him deplatformed, truly bloody pathetic. Richardson outted himself out as a National voter years ago. Dont see those on the right asking for Jesse Mulligan and Kenoa Lloyd to lose their jobs.
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June 13, 2019 2:47pm
- Swifty
  
  Or Hayley Holt etc
  
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  June 13, 2019 2:58pm
  - Prince
    
    Tova O’Brien, Dave Armstrong, Jane Bowron, Hilary Barry, Jeremy Wells, to name a few
    
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    June 13, 2019 3:58pm
    - Swifty
      
      Yeah, but the difference is that Holt actually stood in the last election.
      
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      June 13, 2019 4:38pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So you can’t have an opinion if you don’t stand for office if you work in the media… good to know.
        
        Does that apply to gaylord.. you know, the guy with “hundreds of successful relationships”?
        
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        June 13, 2019 8:35pm
  - sooty
    
    But it’s different when the left do it!
    
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    June 13, 2019 4:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Mad or bad?
Establishing fitness to stand trial as the first step in Christchurch attack court process
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/113453358/establishing-fitness-to-stand-trial-as-the-first-step-in-christchurch-attack-court-process
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June 13, 2019 2:53pm
brett68

https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/100194/national-party-proposing-new-primary-sector-visa-migrant-labour-well-expansion

Looks like National wants to replace farm workers with slave labourers.
Fuckers, you’d think they’d have learnt but here they are wanting to ramp it up again if they get back in.
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June 13, 2019 3:16pm
- Jack5
  
  National’s immigration policy is pretty head-in-the-sand.
  
  There’s about to be a surge of migration applications from Chinese wanting out of Hong Kong, and they won’t be farm workers.
  
  Our rate of population growth is outrunning our economic growth, and this is reflected in the flat GDP per capita statistics, and these are likely to begin falling this year. From late next year, they could dive.
  
  From the population surge, there is heavy and increasing pressure on infrastructure – on the health system, on prisons, on schools, on roads, and, of course, on housing.
  
  When you think about it, the population surge began under National, but has been kept up by Labour and the Judas Party.
  
  Perhaps what NZ needs is not a right wing party to complement National, but a right wing party to swamp National.
  
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  June 13, 2019 3:34pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    High rates of immigration are basically a rort in favour of businesses that won’t pay a New Zealand market price for labour.
    Been going on for over thirty years now. The average skill level of new migrants remains lower than the average skill level of existing residents.
    As many have pointed out, immigration has artificially inflated GDP figures while the country has continued its long-term slide in comparative living standards.
    
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    June 13, 2019 4:08pm
    - Tall Man
      
      ” The average skill level of new migrants remains lower than the average skill level of existing residents.”
      
      Evidence please.
      
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      June 13, 2019 8:30pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Over many years I have read a lot of crap written by Mikenmildagain. So it was wonderful to read the post, above, which was so intelligently written. It just goes to show that there is an ounce of goodness in every person.
      I’m so pleased that I think I deserve a Jack Daniels, with a smidgen of coca cola.
      Earlier today I was chatting with mine host at a less than salubrious establishment. He says that he has had so many job applicants from the sub-continent that he could open a curry house. But they all have one thing in common; they want him to sponsor them as they seek a visa.
      I am certain that our immigration people should aim higher.
      
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      June 13, 2019 10:33pm
  - brett68
    
    National’s immigration policy is geared up purely for their business/farmer backers, they’re no different to Winston Peters doing favours for his fishing and equine business mates.
    
    Mass immigration and huge amounts of people coming in on student visas serve two purposes.
    
    Keeping property values high and wages low.
    
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    June 13, 2019 4:36pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  We have near full-employment, and a whole lot of rural jobs that we can’t fill (eg mid canterbury 2% unemployment), we need people to do dirty, inconvenient work in often miserable conditions, preferably smart, hard working and reliable. You are not going to find them in urban dole queues, but you will find them in the Philipines and India. Shane can’t get his tree’s planted, fruit growers can’t get their crops picked and NZ is missing out on income.
  
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  June 13, 2019 3:59pm
- Alien
  
  No that is not what they are proposing that is what you have twisted it to mean. Get sick of the people who are too stupid to read policy then lie about it
  
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  June 13, 2019 4:12pm
- Tall Man
  
  I actually have personal knowledge of the “slave labourers” and I clearly see you do not.
  
  I have seen farm mangers, ex Phillipines, earning salaries approaching $100K. If that’s slave labour… bring it on.
  
  I have also seen the drop off of Kiwis wanting to get into farm work. Please explain how you will get your daily cup of tea or yoghurt if the farmers can not get workers.
  
  I have personal knowledge of senior farm workers collecting $100K + salaries plus accomodation and meat with a vehicle thrown in for good measure.
  
  Is the work easy.. definitely not. Can the work get unpleasant at times… definitely but the salaries and lifestyle definitely compensate the person that is suited to that lifestyle.
  
  My current belief is that the average labourer on a farm wll be earning around the $50K mark with other “perks” thrown in. I also know that a farmer will move heaven and earth to keep a valued employee on the job. I also know that they wouldn’t cross the cowshed for a shitty employee and there are plenty of them about as well.
  
  Maybe one of the farm guys on here coulld help you out.
  
  Do I want more immigration, no but I can see no alternative unless some of our unemployed want to get of their arse and try something different.
  
  https://metro.co.uk/2017/07/14/man-with-devast8-tattoo-covering-his-face-cant-get-a-job-6778124/
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12207046
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/world/unemployed-dad-with-face-tattoo-rejects-45-job-offers-since-going-viral-with-desperate-work-plea
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12239609
  
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  June 13, 2019 4:25pm
  - Ross12
    
    My wife had a couple weeks in Wellington hospital earlier this year. It was our first “exposure” to a public hospital ( fortunately up until this year our health has been good). I was surprised to see so many Filipino nursing staff and they were fantastic. Really well trained and after a while I realised it was the basic Filipino nature that made them so good at their job.
    My brother-in-law has worked in the hospital system his whole career and he says it would not function without them. Not just nursing but also lab staff etc.
    
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    June 13, 2019 4:57pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”it would not function without them”…..
      
      Neither would aged care. We had an elderly relative suffering dementia admitted to Te Hopai behind the Wellington Public Hospital. I reckon that over 75% of the staff were Filipinos.
      
      They did a difficult & largely thankless job well.
      
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      June 13, 2019 6:40pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Bachelor of Nursing in the Philippines is a 4 year degree – high entry requirements.
      
      B. Nurs. in NZ is a 3 year degree
      
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      June 13, 2019 7:06pm
      - Ross12
        
        Maggy
        The other main difference is, 60% of the training is “on the wards” like it used to be in NZ. On nurse said to me the lectures just back up and support what they learn on the wards. Probably the opposite to NZ training. Most nursing is a practical job, in my view, so their training makes sense to me.
        
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        June 14, 2019 10:52am
    - Tall Man
      
      I’ve heard that from surgeons as well.
      
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      June 13, 2019 8:31pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The hard working 3rd worlders (mostly filipinos) coming in are adding a lot to rural NZ – great work ethic, strong communities, quickly integrating and aspirational when it comes to getting their kids educated and getting ahead in life. They and their progeny will be better kiwis than those of the urban beneficiary trash who can’t get off their arses to do the jobs available.
    
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    June 13, 2019 5:15pm
    - Jack5
      
      But it’s a while before they have a vote … so in the meantime, the farm sector’s voting base slips.
      
      Regardless of ethnicity, NZ is in trouble because its population growth is outpacing economic growth, hence GDP per capita is about to begin falling.
      
      The country’s also in trouble with one of its two key export industries – dairy farming. Fonterra’s state reflects this.
      
      I read that the underlying NZ dairy-farming problems are now matching, if not lower, milk production costs of huge indoor herds in North America and elsewhere.
      
      If our dairying needs to get costs lower, it can get only limited help from keeping wages down by importing cheaper, more compliant labour.
      
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      June 13, 2019 6:57pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Too used to sending high volumes of protein to China with very little value added. Logical thing to to is increase herd size and socialise as much cost as possible by demanding easy environmental standards and cheap labour.
        
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        June 13, 2019 7:22pm
      - Ross12
        
        Who said they get paid lower than Kiwi workers?
        
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        June 14, 2019 10:54am
Happychappy

Winston kicked out of Parliament by the speaker and his gutless weak MP’s followed him. Question time today was a disgrace with immature behaviour by Winston and Grant and a great lesson on to first term MP’s on how not to behave.
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June 13, 2019 3:37pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  It happens around the 5 minute mark, for those who missed it:
  
  https://vimeo.com/341936318
  
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  June 13, 2019 4:02pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Winston’s band of no-hopers reminds me of ducklings following their mother, even into the path of traffic if that’s where she goes.
  
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  June 13, 2019 4:51pm
- krazykiwi
  
  It’s a bit difficult having a swig with so many eyes and cameras about. Much easier to be booted to the privacy of ones’ office.
  
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  June 13, 2019 5:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear,
Parliament in a bit of a shambles this arvo
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113464932/winston-peters-booted-from-parliament-after-complaining-that-politicians-not-playing-tiddlywinks
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June 13, 2019 3:56pm
- sooty
  
  Did someone boot his chair again and he roseup and said the first on his mind!
  Never mind he can go and have decent sleep now and then trott of to the Green Parrot!
  
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  June 13, 2019 4:08pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  The problem is that Mallard is a twat. Since his “rape” statement, which he refuses to apologise for, he has lost any respect that people may have had for him. He is a disgrace to the position.
  
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  June 13, 2019 7:30pm
godruelf

I’m guessing Jones isn’t a happy chappy with
Winstone today when he dragged the team out for an early shower today Jones missed the chance to grandstand with a patsy question from Clayton Mitchell.
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June 13, 2019 3:57pm
Happychappy

If this had been Simon Bridges there would have been a uproar from the media and especially Tova O’Brien calling for the opposition Leaders head but because it Winston it is acceptable.
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June 13, 2019 4:31pm
Alien

This guy continues to show daily he’s lost it, time Someone demands the deputy prime minister be given a physical to make sure he is fit to be in office

“Winston Peters has claimed the industrial dispute with teachers has been solved.

Peters’ comments are in contradiction to comments from the Minister of Education and primary teachers’ union the New Zealand Education Institute (NZEI), who both said negotiations are incomplete.

A spokesperson for the Prime Minister refused to confirm Peters’ comments Minister of Education and , saying any announcements would be made by the Education Minister Chris Hipkins.

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When Newshub asked whether he’d made an official announcement that the dispute with the teachers was solved, Peters said: “Yeah. It’s not an official announcement – it was announced by the union at 2 o’clock today.”

Neither union appears to have made an announcement at 2pm on Thursday.“

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/winston-peters-claims-dispute-with-teachers-solved.html
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June 13, 2019 4:32pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I do believe the Unions will be miffed. I doubt the members have been consulted… I suspect the Unions are going to be shafted by this bunch of miscreants. I can just imagine Hipkins having a complete Tanty when Peters made his unauthorised statements….
  
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  June 13, 2019 7:24pm
Alien

Aww this makes me laugh.

“A UK woman has been left baffled after she ordered a size 16 bikini, and instead was sent two separate size 8 bottoms instead”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/06/uk-woman-outraged-after-ordering-size-16-swimsuit-sent-two-size-eights-instead.html
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June 13, 2019 4:42pm
Alien

Are there any policies this bunch of useless twits have succeeded with. Trolls need not reply.

“Labour’s KiwiBuild programme might well soon have to make room at the panelbeaters for another Labour policy – the fees-free policy for tertiary level students.

The final figures for the year for fees-free were released on Tuesday and were far from overwhelming. Take-up had fallen well short of expectations, and the number of overall enrolments had dropped rather than lifted.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12239887
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June 13, 2019 5:00pm
JibberJabber

Holy Shit, Labour have ~~upset~~ pissed off some of their core supporters in the media,

Katie Bradford
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Verified account

@katieabradford
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In this so-called ‘open and transparent’ government…a Minister has pulled out of an interview today after we wouldn’t let them control the question line. They wouldn’t do the interview unless the story was positive. Unbelievable.
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June 13, 2019 5:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Unbelievable.
  
  hahahaha….
  “No matter what we do, no matter what we say, the polls still favour National.”
  
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  June 13, 2019 5:45pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    That is indeed one of the comments on her post LoL,
    great minds think alike ?
    
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    June 13, 2019 5:48pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Maybe she’s on the look for a better hook up….
    
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    June 13, 2019 7:18pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Sounds like this was a first to the CoL – as if until now they have had full MSM support…
  
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  June 13, 2019 6:22pm
- MrTips
  
  And as usual the same feral left wing nutjobs come out and abuse Bradford. People like Jeanette Gough, Paul Le Comte, Humpty Dumpty….they’re all mental, unbelievably rude and probably pseudonyms. Not a nice advert for the average CoL voter.
  
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  June 13, 2019 6:27pm
  - waldonz
    
    And these are all people I’ve blocked on Twitter. I swear they’re all union trolls. Cracks me up how it always the same trolls sticking up for the COL. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of them were WINZ lifers.
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:40pm
- krazykiwi
  
  H1 was, to the best of my knowledge, the first NZ PM to deploy this strategy consistently. She simply starved the MSM of oxygen until they capitulated and offered a question list for pre-approval.
  
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  June 13, 2019 7:12pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Muldoon.
    
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    June 13, 2019 8:51pm
Komata

KO’B

Agree, WINZ is totally dependent on how the Case Worker is feeling on the day. Having been on the receiving end of such an action, to the extent that a formal complaint was eventually laid, the attitude of some staff is reprehensible.

They are arrogant and very, very well aware of their power, and will use it for the merest reason.

Caring? Personal experience indicates otherwise.
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June 13, 2019 8:38pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Even I find it hard to deal with them despite my Public Service background. They have decentralised processing too making communications difficult and a crude appeal system which they deal with themselves.
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:52pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

The level of unthinking partisan intersectional stupidity on display over Oranga Tamariki taking kids off awful parents is incredible. Trying to turn a shitty parenting issue into a race issue.
-Do they imagine it is being done for fun?
-~1 kid under 5 being murdered by monsters every 6 weeks, are they going to be making as much noise about official failures to act when the next kid is murdered?
Their racist activism is going to kill kids.
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June 13, 2019 8:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, ..
  
  it’s hard to believe that there are going to be happy outcomes if we are to let whanau, hapu and iwi take care of all Maori children that require care (as Dame Tariana Turia wants).
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/dame-tariana-turia-calls-for-oranga-tamariki-ceo-grainne-moss-to-resign.html
  
  There’s nothing stopping whanau/hapu/iwi stepping in to help vulnerable children now.
  
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  June 13, 2019 9:13pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There is unfortunately: social workers have more power than responsibility.
    
    Tariana Turia is respectfully wise. She understands the damage the state can cause through inappropriate intervention. That later populates our prisons from children who have been socialised to exist in a non-loving controlled environment. A loving close relative will be much more successful in raising a child than a paid stranger.
    
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