General Debate 12 June 2019

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mikenmildagain

Happy World Day Against Child Labour!
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June 12, 2019 8:00am
- mandk
  
  All right, then.
  
  I won’t sent my boy cleaning chimneys today.
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:04am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Seems a bit sexist. Girls can sweep chimneys too, you know.
    
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    June 12, 2019 8:19am
    - Biscuit
      
      mike, can I be REALLY sexist and say that there is the added bonus of seeing up those girls’ skir….
      
      No, I guess I can’t!
      
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      June 12, 2019 11:07am
  - artemisia
    
    Those metal flues are a bugger. Need to starve the children for months beforehand.
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:22am
- rangitoto
  
  Children are the best workers in coal mines especially when there isn’t a lot of space. Keeps them off the streets too.
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:17am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You don’t need to burn dirty coal to help employ child labourers. Just eat chocolate. It’s good for you, and nearly all cocoa come from child slavery in Africa.
    
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    June 12, 2019 8:40am
    - rangitoto
      
      As a woke Green, I insist on clean coal to run my factories.
      
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      June 12, 2019 9:58am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        “Beautiful clean coal!”
        
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        June 12, 2019 11:06am
      - sooty
        
        Not a problem, just polish each lump before you chuck it in!
        
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        June 12, 2019 11:17am
      - rangitoto
        
        The Greens are great at looking after my interests. Thanks to them, I can pillage the Kermadec fishing grounds with impunity. The nasty Nats were planning to block that.
        
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        June 12, 2019 11:36am
    - Tall Man
      
      I suggest you discuss that with Whittakers.
      
      “The world’s chocolate companies have missed deadlines to uproot child labour from their cocoa supply chains in 2005, 2008 and 2010. Next year, they face another target date and, industry officials indicate, they probably will miss that, too.”
      
      All they need is ardern and twyford to tell a few lies and then recalibrate. Simple really.
      
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      June 12, 2019 11:17am
    - cmm
      
      Child labour is NOT child slavery.
      
      This idea that kids can’t be productive is a modern western contrivance since the 1950s or so.
      
      Nothing wrong with kids helping feed the family.
      
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      June 12, 2019 1:29pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        True. It’s damn hard to run a proper home without a houseboy or two.
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:55pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Ah the good old days… Half the population of Rome were slaves. Average life expectancy 17.
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:34am
- Bill felt
  
  Don’t we have kids running the Govt?
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:40am
  - freethinker
    
    Kids would be an improvement.
    
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    June 12, 2019 10:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    Yes, but they’re not working…..
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:14am
  - sooty
    
    Youth adjacent.
    When she started, so she tells us at 37!
    Can’t claim that now.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:19am
    - Tall Man
      
      And quite often I’m “sober adjacent”…..
      
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      June 12, 2019 12:27pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Children are the riches of the poor.
  
  (Not my quote, but still relevant both where there is a modern welfare state and where there is not.)
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:48am
- ISeeRed
  
  So Jacinda is resigning?
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    Tease!
    
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    June 12, 2019 12:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  When do we have the “World Day for labour numpties to stop fucking up the world”?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:13am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Is there a day against any Labour?
  
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  June 12, 2019 1:56pm
hullkiwi

Auckland declares a climate emergency yesterday. And the first thing that happens is that a lobby group wants the council to put its money (ratepayer and taxpayer’s) where there mouths are. So, the following morning Goofy is on the radio telling the sheeple what the council will do to reduce climate emissions. And of course there will be further calls on our pockets. How predictable!
Sorry, where are the rational voices to call this out for the Male bovine excrement that this is?
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June 12, 2019 8:08am
- G152
  
  All touchee feelie no actual consequence just more rate payers money down the tubes.
  Its all weather
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:24am
  - Surely Knott
    
    I’ve saved them some money and started the Climate Change policy document for them: Policy 1. Council’s onsite catering will now be climate friendly vegan meals and cricket flour breads and baked goods.
    Policy 2. All elected members and management free car parks will be sold off. Elected members will need to use public transport, cycleways, or pay for parking at Wilsons.
    Policy 3. Council will no longer reimburse elected members for petrol expenses of private vehicles.
    
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    June 12, 2019 1:09pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Your chance to say no to this stupidity.
    
    https://www.ratepayers.nz/climate_grandstanding?utm_campaign=190611_ra_climate&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
    
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    June 12, 2019 10:05pm
- srylands
  
  “”We will have a specific action plan that needs to be costed.” Goff says that a big focus of this will be continuing to push for electrification of public transport and encouraging the government to import more electric-cars.”
  
  So that’s it? What is the government going to to do with electric cars? If people want electric cars, car dealers will import them.
  
  This is the problem. If the situation really is an “emergency”, the council should take drastic measures. Reduce private car use in Auckland by a punitive car park tax in Central Auckland. Ban all non essential car travel by Council employees.
  
  There will be no actions in Auckland commensurate with an emergency.
  
  It is unwise got governments to debase the noun “emergency”. Because one day there will be a real emergency.
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:37am
  - Dairy Flat
    
    And how to power these electric cars? Generating capacity is very limited now with no new hydro storage (snails etc), no nuke (devil take it), no new oil or gas (captains call), no more coal mines (more snails etc) and so-called renewables such as wind (snigger) and solar meaning massive investment for bugger all return.
    In a nutshell we can’t run more electric cars, trucks, trains and busses without a huge increase in generation but of course “hydrogen”; yeah right no one else has figured out yet how to get that one producing economically so that’s still pie in the sky for a while yet.
    Never mind, feelz will fix it all.
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:22am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Para 3, last sentence – suggest change to:
    
    Ban Council employees (including the Goofmeister) from using their cars to get to work.
    
    Set an example for us all to follow……..
    
    Yeah! (ain’t gonna happen).
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:44am
  - hullkiwi
    
    srylands, as is par for the course, Goff is being a typical disenguous teller of half truths here.
    
    Auckland, under the mayorlty of Goff has since 2017 have had a policy of electrifying Auckland’s Transport network. Goff, along with mayors from 39 other cities around the world has signed an accord to have their cities carbon neutral by 2040. One of the key planks here is the electrification of each city’s PT network (in Auckland’s case that is 1,350 buses) and 20 plus ferries.
    
    At this point that is where reality and the thinking of the fruit cakes diverges. Current electric bus technologies are not up to spec for Auckland, because:
    1. they are only suitable on some routes in Auckland -too many hills and distance;
    2. Auckland’s current electricity network needs upgrading (at a cost between $45m and $50m for electric buses alone);
    3. The batteries on a single decker bus adds an extra 80kg to the bus which equals 1 less person per bus, meaning Auckland will need another 50 to 70 buses added to the fleet (let alone the problems caused by the Employment Relations Act);
    4. Then there is the added cost of making operators fit recharging stations to their depots. Who picks up this added cost?
    5. As I said above, the technology is not fully developed, the life span of batteries is a max of 5 to 8 years. Who will pick up the cost of replacement and disposal of batteries?
    6. Then there is the disposal of the bus when it has reached the end of it’s useful life. Usually, buses are disposed of after 20 years, but who is going to buy an electric bus, which needs specialized recharging equipment?
    7. There are other issues that are confidential and are problematic, and for which there is no obvious solution other that wasting shed loads of ratepayers’ money.
    
    So as I said this nutty policy and reality are in two different worlds. But it is all about “feelz” and “dealing with the consequences of climate change & impending emergency”.
    
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    June 12, 2019 10:00am
- Simon
  
  Auckland City declares a climate emergency.
  
  It is a new way to tax the plebs. If Auckland City were serious about man made climate change they would sell their 22% shareholding in Auckland Airports. That is never going to happen.
  
  Junk science claims that:
  
  The environmental impact of aviation occurs because aircraft engines emit heat, noise, particulates and gases which contribute to climate change[1][2] and global dimming.[3]
  
  Comprehensive research shows that despite anticipated efficiency innovations to airframes, engines, aerodynamics and flight operations, there is no end in sight, even many decades out, to rapid growth in CO2 emissions from air travel and air freight,[6][7] due to projected continual growth in air travel
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_aviation
  
  There will no be efforts to curb tourists flying to NZ. Quiet the opposite. Auckland City will benefit hugely from international travel to the detriment of the planet.
  
  10 years to act? Yeah right here is the new fuel tax plebs. It’s fraud.
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:40am
- BrownSnake
  
  Was it excess methane from the Councils A hole
  
  That’s a good name for Auckland
  
  The A hole
  
  with No Transport lots of Gangs and high Crime
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:41am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Brilliant!
  Declare an emergency and put your hand out for funding.
  Isn’t there a board that scrutinizes these applications? (Most probably staffed by the same group of people).
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:44am
- Rich Prick
  
  All of the emergencies are making the school kids freak out. Won’t some one think of the children?
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:25am
- Inandout
  
  And I suspect Goff will still be voted back in.
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:26am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Only because there isn’t a sane centre-right candidate who stands up for sensible spending on true essentials only. People can crowdfund non-essentials they are interested in.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:16am
- OTGO
  
  And we wonder why young people are committing suicide. If they are continually told that they are living in multiple emergencies is it any wonder.
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:47am
  - Kabull
    
    10 upticks.
    
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    June 12, 2019 1:00pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  A bit suspect doing this just before the elections and nominations for elections.
  
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  June 12, 2019 1:57pm
- Sacha
  
  Y’all should have been listening to Radio Magic this afternoon with Sean Plunket. The topic was how to cope with the Climate emergencies in Auckland, Canterbury and Nelson.
  It was a great afternoon’s entertainment with many kiwis contributing strangely practical and very funny helpful hints.
  Keep Calm, and Carry On.
  
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  June 12, 2019 6:21pm
kowtow

‘In a set of 26 instructions Adm Singh called for greater equality within the navy by ending ‘VIP culture” in the service that promotes a high degree of servility and sycophancy towards senior ranks.’

I doubt the admiral will be giving up his superior pay , quarters and conditions . I see from the photo he likes his British style uniform , salute , hat , symbols of authority and medals , I’ll take him at his word when he turns up on parade naked but for a Gandhi style loin cloth , yeah didn’t think so.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/11/indian-navy-end-obsequious-behaviour-force-seeks-cut-ties-colonial/
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June 12, 2019 8:08am
- SGA
  
  Reading the article, I thought that much of the frippery which he addressed seemed unnecessary. I’m surprised you object to his more “business-like” approach to the navy’s functioning?
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:59am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    kowtow’s feelings are easily discernable from his assumption that an Indian admiral can either dress as a ‘proper’ English officer or as a peasant. Indians have no other form of dress but that their enlightened colonial masters introduced.
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:51am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Why are we getting rid of all of our traditions? Rhetorical.
    
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    June 12, 2019 1:59pm
    - SGA
      
      Did you read the article, Rachael? What I took from it was that this admiral wants to see the chain of command operating on discipline and respect rather than servility and sycophancy, and to remove some of the more excessive frippery that frequently occured. To me, it seems he wants to move India more in line with most modern navies (I doubt that the even UK, for instance, still follows some of the practises that he wants to see cease). From the article, I thought it sounded like a good thing, and that appearing at parade naked save a loin cloth was unnecessary.
      
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      June 12, 2019 2:44pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The loincloth thing was just kowtow’s particular fetish.
        
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        June 12, 2019 3:01pm
      - kowtow
        
        Good enough for Gandhi.
        
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        June 12, 2019 5:46pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Gandhi, I believe, wore simple clothes as a statement of his moral and political philosophy.
        But you keep telling the Indian navy how its personnel should dress to your imaginary standards.
        
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        June 12, 2019 5:56pm
Lee C

Fran O’Sullivan refers to jackals’ wanting Makhlouf’s head on a spike today in premium Herald.

Who do you think she is referring to?
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June 12, 2019 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  Makhlouf was a fool. He should have been experienced enough not to have run like he did into the middle of the road to take on a bus, because Robertson said it was ok!
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:13am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Maklouf likely said “some one got in, we’ve been hacked”. Meanwhile in another office staff were creating new pages without protection or from Google’s harvest bots. Possibly also a staffer had occasion to let another departmental official know that the budget info they needed for their PR release was on page …
    
    I don’t expect Maklouf to be familiar with web page creation mechanics or the tech jargon.
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:26am
- ldypen
  
  There’s a Premium Herald?
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:14am
  - OTGO
    
    And someone paid for it?
    
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    June 12, 2019 10:48am
- peterwn
  
  He was ultimately responsible for pre-budget security within Treasury and failed his political masters with this. It does not matter how the breach occurred, it is his problem. It is dancing on the head of a pin arguing that it is not Treasury’s fault because Treasury was the victim of an alleged cyber crime.
  Treasury deals with much sensitive information so their systems need to be secure. Putting the unpublished Budget web pages on the public facing web server was just plain daft.
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I agree. Treasury and its permanent head take the blame.
    
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    June 12, 2019 12:33pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Who do you think she is referring to?”
  
  ardern and robertson of course…….
  
  As soon as Makhlouf’s head is on the spike they think the heat will be off them……
  
  Yeah I know, they’re as dumb as dog dirt.
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:21am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Needs to be a talking head.
    
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    June 12, 2019 2:01pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Sound familiar?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQiOA7euaYA
      
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      June 12, 2019 2:45pm
- BrownSnake
  
  There is premium bog roll as well
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:11pm
AgainstTheFlow

I see Newsroom is continuing its campaign to increase the number of Delcelia Whittakers in the future.
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June 12, 2019 8:12am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Outrageous. The journalist didnt see the child being harmed, so therefore the child was not at risk.
  
  I am fairly sure OT has better things to do than random Maori baby snatching, so I wonder what the background really is, and how come “investigative journalist” Melanie Reid failed to understand or mention any of it?
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:04am
  - Tall Man
    
    “how come “investigative journalist” Melanie Reid failed to understand or mention any of it?”
    
    She’s waiting for it to be on the telly, waiting for another journalist to write it up so she can copy and paste or she’s waiting for another press release from ardern giving her the “lie” of the day to print.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:25am
- Tall Man
  
  Also from Newsroom…..
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/06/12/631587/ardern-falls-short-so-far-in-budget-hack-response
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:23am
Yvette

A NZ military $20b shopping list: Planes, boats, soldiers, satellites and drones.
Which … don’t bring “wellbeing”.
Peace and security do though.

See how it works – even major new pieces of military hardware are for our “wellbeing”.

Billionaire Richard Branson wants the world to follow NZ’s 2019 Wellbeing Budget

Trump bypasses Congress to make an emergency arms deal between Saudi Arabia and US bomb company … allows Raytheon to ship 120,000 bombs to the Saudi state. Emergency authorisation [based on concerns regarding Iran] permits assembly of technology formerly kept secret for national security. – Independent, UK

See, Richard? – President Trump is on to it already

But this is the new intergenerational transformative Wellbeing Budget – so of course must be different from the 2018 Budget
So smoke, illusion and bull-dust aside, what item of last year’s Labour Budget was not actually there for the eventual wellbeing, support or progression of New Zealanders?
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June 12, 2019 8:15am
- kowtow
  
  Wellbeing for WinstonFirst’s Party’s 2020 run is what this is.
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  “Intergenerational” is right–Winston/Ardern. Golly gee whiz. Free sandpits for all kindergartens.
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:32am
- Liberty
  
  A NZ military $20b shopping list
  
  So why was this not released last week in the budget ?
  Then labour have a history of not being a totally open and transparent government.
  Sir Rich Pricks 2008 budget conveniently forgot to tell the peasants.
  The labour government was going to do a slimy deal and pay a billion Dollars
  For a crapped out train set. To appease his deluded socilist dream.
  
  Incidentally has the Army unpacked all the lavs yet?
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/364708/lavs-get-special-treatment-during-patient-wait-for-buyer
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:46am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I was assured we needed 105!
    
    Bwuhahaha!
    
    20 would have been fine! but no, not our army. 105 or nothin!
    
    How is the Protector “fleet” going? Any of them seaworthy? Or maybe the NH90s?
    
    More great decisions in military procurement!
    
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    June 12, 2019 10:08am
    - sooty
      
      Remind me who ordered the LAVs?
      
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      June 12, 2019 11:23am
  - Yvette
    
    Liberty – So why was this not released last week in the budget ?
    
    Perhaps because they wanted to announce, the day before, that troops in Iraq are “coming home” …
    
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    June 12, 2019 10:56am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The government was sold a Treasury chimera. A bit like the nonsensical ‘social investment’ mantra from a few years ago. Policy geniuses dream up these frameworks and politicians grab them for the soundbites.
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:56am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    UN soundbite
    
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    June 12, 2019 2:13pm
- Durden
  
  Did anyone notice the shot on TV1 news yesterday of what looked like Ron Marks being overcome with emotion while announcing the proposed purchases?
  
  What was that about ?
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    He saw he was missing a page from his notes… he doesn’t do “off the cuff” very well.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:27am
  - Kevin Herlihy
    
    There has been under investment in New Zealand’s military capability for years. The NZDF have had to make do with aging equipment, particularly the Hercules, which have compromised the operational effectiveness of the NZDF.
    In the event of a civilian catastrophe such as an earthquake or storm event, the NZDF would struggle to assist, due largely to being under equipped to deal with emergencies.
    In terms of combat readiness the NZDF have been woefully underequipped and have had to rely upon resources from our coalition partners Australia and the US, much to the embarrasement of our own NZDF.
    So it comes as no surprise that Ron showed some emotion, that finally through him, the NZDF can hold their heads up.
    
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    June 12, 2019 12:00pm
kowtow

Here we go , more “racism”
Not one child in Oz was taken because it was indigenous , but the lie has been repeated so often that many accept it as true.
And now our repeaters are applying the same here.

‘Increasingly, those aware of the level of removals of Māori babies are discussing the term ‘Stolen Generation’, reflecting the systematic policy in Australia of taking indigenous children from their communities.’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113395638/new-zealands-own-stolen-generation-the-babies-taken-by-oranga-tamariki
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June 12, 2019 8:16am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  White Privileged reporter sums up family’s ability to provide safe home from beside mum’s hospital bed…
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:33am
- srylands
  
  The Australian children were taken because they were half caste. The objective was to turn them into white children. The policy caused much trauma to parents and children.
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Proof please.
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:01am
    - SGA
      
      From a quick search on the internet, most sources seem to refer to this Australian government document
      https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-social-justice/publications/bringing-them-home
      I’ve not read it, but it looks as though it might be the sort of thing that you are looking for?
      
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      June 12, 2019 10:58am
      - BrownSnake
        
        Archie Roach – All Men Choose the Path They Walk
        
        Some men are prone to misadventure
        
        Questions of guilt aren’t always clear
        
        Some men run from a fate they can’t avoid
        
        All men choose the path they walk
        
        Some men can be faulted for their reason
        Feigning to justly intervene
        Some men hide from the memories that haunt
        All men choose the path they walk
        
        Some men see everything through duty
        Cast off responsibility
        Some regret that their courage sometimes fails
        All men choose the path they walk
        
        Some men have attitude that’s righteous
        Care not about the consequence
        Some men fight with the violence inside
        All men choose the path they walk
        
        Some men have reached their destination
        Finding their own serenity
        Some men lead others till they recognize
        That all men choose the path they walk
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSn0jDgXeHQ
        
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        June 13, 2019 2:08am
    - srylands
      
      You can do your own basic research thanks. My statement is not contentious.
      
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      June 12, 2019 5:00pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Scale of abuse and neglect in Aboriginal communities in Australia is still appalling. They haven’t adapted well to technological culture and availability of alcohol – they can get all-day wasted on a couple of shots.
    
    Aboriginal IQ is about lowest of all human geo-local groups – average is likely under 74, making at least half their population too thick to do any useful modern job, and impossible for them to lift themselves out of impoverishment. It’s a horrible unfixable problem, genetic determinism of intelligence and 50000 years of ancestral developmental isolation (similar to sub-saharan Africans) away from vicious evolutionary intelligence arms-race and widespread mixing that occurred through Eurasia means their kids are similarly doomed to miserable bottom-of-the-heap lives.
    https://www.tremr.com/Duck-Rabbit/the-iqs-of-australian-aborigines
    
    I’m hoping that within next 20-30 years advances in gene therapy (Crispr et al) may make it possible to re-engineer brain growth/control genes to lift everyone to near-optimal genius level regardless of genetic lottery of conception.
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    kowtow is a keen participant in Australia’s so-called ‘history wars’.
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:57am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Very easy to sort this, please name just 10 people that were “stolen”?
    There must be thousands, surely somone somewhere can string 10 names together, have yet to see this.
    A person being removed to safety from being raped or abused is not turning them into a white person. There are white people that do the same, but the stats say at a much lower rate.
    It is protecting them from a living hell regardless of colour.
    
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    June 12, 2019 4:23pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Indeed
      The ‘myth of the stolen generation’ is that Aborigine children were removed because purely because they were Aborigine.
      It seems they were removed for their own safety. Iirc, a lot of analysis of every case proved this and that none were removed because they were aboriginal.
      One of the effects of correcting the ‘myth’ is that sadly some children were sent home where they ended up being abused again.
      Alcoholism, domestic and sexual abuse is still rampant in many communities.
      It’s pretty awful.
      
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      June 12, 2019 4:50pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Nice hair splitting. “We didn’t remove the children becasue they were aboriginal: we removed them because it wasn’t safe to leave them in aboriginal communities”.
        
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        June 12, 2019 5:08pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Nice dissembling
        Im saying they were removed because they were being abused.
        You don’t think white people have their children removed from them if they were being abused?
        
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        June 12, 2019 5:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh, and your use of quotation marks when I said no such thing just confirms what a c**t you are.
        
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        June 12, 2019 5:16pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Wasn’t meaning to quote you, I’d generally use blockquote for that. Just paraphrasing the sentiments.
        Many children were taken from their homes on the flimsiest of pretexts. There was no mechanism for parents to protest. The policies were applied systematically to aboriginal communities. I don’t know why anyone would want to pretend these horrible things were just fine. It’s not even as if this was the worst part of the destruction visited on the indigenous societies.
        
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        June 12, 2019 5:48pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        My sentiment?
        F**k you. How insulting is that.
        As far as I am aware no children were taken which weren’t being abused.
        As Greg says, feel free to provide examples where they were taken just because they were aborigine.
        None were ‘stolen’. They were rescued from abuse.
        The worst thing is, the abuse is still going on.
        
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        June 12, 2019 6:07pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Bringing up children in state care is almost certain to wreck their lives. A very large number of prisoners have gone through that route.
  A “poor” mother is 10ox better than a state appointed one. Support can be provided but not the required love.
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:36am
  - Tall Man
    
    Some may disagree.
    
    http://www.crime.co.nz/c-files.aspx?ID=472
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:29am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow,
  
  “Not one child in Oz was taken because it was indigenous , but the lie has been repeated so often that many accept it as true.”
  
  Can you source that claim?
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:32am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Easy Stephie, just name 10 for me, put up or shutup.
    Can you source your claim, you will be a hero, people have been trying for decades and come up short.
    If you don’t name them, I will assume you came up with nil, zilch, zero, I won’t hold my breath.
    
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    June 12, 2019 4:28pm
- Faroffsound
  
  This is on a par with the report claiming that NZ has the highest rate of domestic violence in the world.
  
  When I emailed the journo responsible it turned out that we have the highest rate of REPORTED domestic violence in the world. That’s bad enough but it’s not nearly as sensational as the original claim.
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:51am
KevO'Brien

Only 200 running the world. Will the robots eventually revolt too?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/global-elites-crisis-of-humanity-and-facing-the-juggernaut/5680216
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June 12, 2019 8:16am
Maggie Pie

~ Nurses are from Venus, Judges are from Uranus ~

East African Man, Best Nzohabana, 22, appeared in Auckland High Court yesterday for sentencing on six charges, including rape and kidnapping 🙁
Justice Paul Davidson told Nzohabana, “Its clear you would have severely traumatised your victims” ….but was not satisfied preventative detentuion was required.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12239342

[WARNING: disturbig content]
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June 12, 2019 8:17am
- mark15
  
  East Africa?
  Can you narrow it down a bit??
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    Read the article.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:30am
    - calendar girl
      
      I did, and find it difficult to accept that:
      
      Justice Paul Davidson told Nzohabana, “It’s clear you would have severely traumatised your victims” ….but was not satisfied preventative detention was required.
      
      The sentence of this foreign perpetrator of serious crimes in our country has become, effectively, a minimum period of imprisonment of five years, after which he will be deported. Too light, in my view, for convictions for two violent rapes. One could only speculate about how serious convictions would have to be before a Judge would apply preventive detention.
      
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      June 12, 2019 2:12pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        I have to disagree with this statement.
        Clearly you are not necessarly deported regarding a 5 year sentence, I thought Jan Antolik aka Karel got over 5 years, half a dozen experts in immigration reviewed the file over six months, and then the minister gave him a free pass.
        If this guy is anything to go on, not only is the 5 years totally irrelevant, there was a notice to remove teflon Antolik on 30th April 2004, around 5,500 days ago, since then he has seen off 6 immigration ministers and is still here.
        This guy is the supreme teflon man, or immigration couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag.
        Nzohabana staying is looking a reality.
        Softly, Softly Judge, Hopeless Immigration system, hopeless minister, the stars are all lining up for him to keep spreading his one sided idea of lovemaking.
        What a contribution he is making to NZ!
        
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        June 12, 2019 4:45pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Greg you ask what contribution he is making… he is altering the ratio of white to brown prisoners.
        
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        June 12, 2019 7:33pm
- Scott
  
  Maggie pie – a very disturbing and sad case. One of the issues in this particular case is race. African people coming to New Zealand tend to stand out. There are not many black people in New Zealand. I do believe this causes issues of loneliness and finding it hard to fit in. There are also major cultural issues with African countries as compared to New Zealand culture.
  
  So I do think we have to be prudent about our immigration system. It is not easy for African people to fit in here, to feel at home. We should take that into account in our immigration decisions in my opinion.
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:46am
  - alloytoo
    
    There’s a whole colony of African people on the North Shore, Browns Bay more specifically.
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:02am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes. But Scott is just saying that we should take many more immigrants from Africa so that the Africans already here don’t feel so lonely.
      Now, you may think that makes him a snowflake, but I wouldn’t say so. It’s pure Christian charity on his part.
      
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      June 12, 2019 9:34am
      - alloytoo
        
        I agree, we should take persecuted minorities from Africa, especially those being persecuted for the colour of their skin.
        
        They’ll fit right at home in Browns Bay.
        
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        June 12, 2019 10:29am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        On reflection, I’m not really sure what Scott was saying, alloytoo. Something about black people not fitting in the way he’d prefer, maybe?
        
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        June 12, 2019 11:40am
      - alloytoo
        
        Something about black people not fitting in the way he’d prefer, maybe?
        
        Perhaps he was suggesting that people who share more cultural norms with middle NZ would feel more at home here?
        
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        June 12, 2019 12:36pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You are being generous, alloytoo. Scott specifically referrred to ‘black’ people. Maybe that’s just his shorthand for people who don’t share his ‘cultural norms’, or maybe he just thinks Jesus only came to save white people. I can’t tell.
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:31pm
    - Scott
      
      Alloy too – do you mean white South Africans? Because they fit in pretty easily. I know many of them on the North Shore.
      
      Or are you meaning black Africans? Is there a whole colony of black Africans in Browns Bay?
      
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      June 12, 2019 9:44am
      - alloytoo
        
        Just pointing out that if our objective is to integrate refugees into New Zealand we should consider ethnic and cultural groups with a proven track record who are more likely to contribute in the long term to New Zealand’s prosperity.
        
        It is also a trifle ironic that Africans of Dutch descent self identify as Afrikaaners (Africans) and Africans of English descent tend to identify with their culture, English (colonial really) and only invoke “African” in order to screw up diversity stats.
        
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        June 12, 2019 11:41am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Well, you don’t expect the domestic staff to commute from South Auckland, do you? An enclave (Bantustan?) in part of the north shore would be the perfect solution.
        
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        June 12, 2019 11:42am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott,
    
    “African people coming to New Zealand tend to stand out. ”
    
    Could you expand on that?
    
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    June 12, 2019 10:39am
    - alloytoo
      
      I believe he’s referring to people with very dark complexions.
      
      In my experience in NZ 2/3 people matching that description turned out to be English.
      
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      June 12, 2019 11:44am
      - stephieboy
        
        alloytoo, like this fellow ?
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12069103
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:26pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Is he English?
        
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        June 13, 2019 9:38am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Scott, ‘I do believe this causes issues of loneliness and finding it hard to fit in.’ I haven’t seen it to be so. I know black Africans who involve themselves in work, community groups, churches and soon have lots of friends. Very few Kiwis would reject friendship because of someone’s colour, and they wouldn’t be worth the effort anyway!
    
    However, if people don’t involve themselves and don’t make an effort to get reasonably fluent in English, that can cause loneliness, no doubt.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:32am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      It doesn’t take certain melanin levels to ‘fit in’ in NZ, but involvement.
      
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      June 12, 2019 11:33am
- lastmanstanding
  
  If we had a Government worthy of the name he would be stripped of his citizenship and put on the first plane back home.
  
  So much for the WellBeing Budget. There was no WellBeing for his victims.
  
  And so much for the Judiciary a bunch of fawning limp wristed Lefties incapable of emphatic thought.
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:30am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  It was only a bit of raping. He’s an African, you can’t expect African’s to understand white mans law can you…
  
  Now off for a mid morning snifter at the Northern Club before a busy Card at the afternoon Assizes, What!
  
  So lets allow another 1,500 “refugees” in, its not like the Somalians and Syrians haven’t acclimatised well or anything. We havent got gangs of “youths” with machetes battling it out in Courtney Place yet, so everything is fine.
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:11am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Too many people coming in who are not refugees and do not qualify under the points system. No need to make it about race.
  
  If any NZer can adopt an adult and they get citizenship a couple of years later, our system has a massive hole in it.
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:28am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, not as though East Africans living here do this routinely would you not agree?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/93534920/brandon-roche-and-brooke-rolleston-guilty-of-raping-15yearold-girl-in-mums-room-at-party
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    stephie –
    You have the right to remain stupid.
    Everything you say can and will be ignored.
    
    🙂
    
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    June 12, 2019 12:05pm
Hugh Pavletich

China’s debt disease is infecting its housing market — Gwynn Guilford – Quartz
h/t MicroMaker
MacroBusiness Australia Links 12 June 2019

https://qz.com/1615596/chinas-debt-disease-is-infecting-its-housing-market/

Chinese urban home purchases

https://www.theatlas.com/charts/r1V-7zmn4
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… Recent Australian Broadcasting Corporation article …

China’s empty homes may prove a bigger threat than Donald Trump’s tariffs … Michael Janda … ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/china-vacant-property-empty-homes-donald-trump-tariffs/11082900

Chinese property is extremely unaffordable

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/chinese-property-is-extremely-unaffordable/11113024
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June 12, 2019 8:23am
Tony Stuart

Chinese property is extremely unaffordable

Best we gift them Phil Twyford then, although he’d have to make allowances for all the Chinese-sounding names 😀
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June 12, 2019 8:27am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  On the subject of Phil Twyford … acces last evenings postings …
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/if_you_can_afford_a_650000_deposit_you_dont_need_a_subsidy.html/comment-page-1#comment-2507020 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/general_debate_11_june_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2507021 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/links-11-june-2019/#comment-3366524
  
  NEW ZEALAND: When will the government JUST ALLOW affordable new housing to be built … by sorting out land supply / urban limits abolition and infrastructure financing as promised (refer http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org for extensive background information) ? …
  
  The embarrassing and politically destructive Kiwibuild circus … continues … watch all videos … access via hyperlinks above …
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:40am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Haven’t Fletchers acquired defacto monopoly rights to building supplies in NZ?
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:39am
Happychappy

This might be why Three Reid Research Poll gave the results that people are complaining about. Was this poll first or Last in order of the Question in the poll.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/poll-shows-whether-kiwis-think-grant-robertson-should-resign-over-budget-2019-drama.html
Tova O’Brien doesn’t play fair in any of her Columns concerning Simon Bridges or National so why would she change.
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June 12, 2019 8:28am
- alloytoo
  
  Tova being JLR’s journalist of choice has all of a sudden added gravitas to her opinion?
  
  I think not.
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:09am
Yvette

The last 1 News Colmar Brunton Poll in Preferred Prime Minister percentages shows:
Ardern 45, Collins 6, and Bridges and Peters both 5
Of other sitting members, Shane Jones got 0, and others 3.8 altogether
John Key got 0.9 and Helen Clark 0.1

So they all account for 65.8%

Then there are Other 2%, None 3%, Refused 2% and
Don’t Know 28%

Which means compared to Ardern’s total of 45% just over half that number (62.2% of Ardern’s total) or almost six times what Bridges and Winston got each (28% versus 6%), haven’t a fucking clue who they want as Prime Minister to run the country.

And while Winston appointed Ardern to be Prime Minster (by selecting a coalition with the party she leads) and he himself arranged to be Deputy Prime Minister, Ardern’s support is nine times that of Winston – an interesting reflection on the man who put her where she is.
They’re polls apart, so to speak, and without even mentioning the Newshub attempt.

https://www.colmarbrunton.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Prelim_4-8-June-2019_1-NEWS-Colmar-Brunton-Poll-report-.pdf *Percentages do not add to total due to rounding
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June 12, 2019 8:34am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Sensible Kiwis vote for the party with the best policies. They can’t and don’t vote just for a PM they enjoy watching on TV.
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    Unfortunately the “best soundbites” won enough votes for labour in 2017. Those soundbites were incorrectly interpreted as possible policies, which they clearly are not.
    
    “what’s in it for wynston” “promised” 2 main policies would be “bottom”lines”.
    
    maori electoral seats gone and immigration reduced to 10,000. Neither of those were ever likely to see the light of day and my guess is that they never even made the negotiating table.
    
    The media “liked” the labour soundbites as they were for people with a very short attention span and no desire to absorb or learn the facts.
    
    National “lost” the narrative with media complicity and assumed that their superior policies would win the day. Had they been willing to trumpet them more loudly and more succinctly (read one liners for the masses and media) then they would have won by a landslide.
    
    They foolishly assumed they would get fair coverage in the media and they did not.
    
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    June 12, 2019 2:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Yesterday in Parliament Jacinda Arden repeatedly said that the CoL didn’t know what had happened to Treasury’s computers in the hours between being told that there was no hack (Tues Night) and the admission that there was no illegal access (5am, Thurs Morning).

So is she telling everyone that the NZ Government didn’t believe the GCSB was up to the task of determining if a hack had occurred,
or is she telling us that the CoL had no idea if Treasury’s computer systems were secure?

Whichever one it is, it demonstrates that the country is being run by a bunch of amateurs.
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June 12, 2019 8:37am
- alloytoo
  
  There’s a credibility gap which runs from the moment the GCSB phoned the Beehive until Simon put us out of our speculative misery on Budget (Thursday) Morning.
  
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  June 12, 2019 8:54am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I believe the issue is semantic: “hack” means different things to different people. To a tech like the GCSB it’s a serious backdoor attempt like our 5-Eyes connection to intercept info. To most others it typically means “someone got our files”.
    
    If documents are left uncovered their reading may be unauthorised. However web pages are hard to protect and Google and others can copy them unawares. If they then appear in a regular search isn’t there then an implicit authorisation?
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:52am
    - alloytoo
      
      Well it’s pretty much like putting up a sign outside your house and complaining when people looked at it, noting it was a picture of your girlfriend, not your wife.
      
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      June 12, 2019 10:32am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Hack” is a lefty term for “google search”.
      
      It is also a term for the front row of the coalition as in “hacks” and the remainder aren’t even that “good”.
      
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      June 12, 2019 12:31pm
      - alloytoo
        
        “Hack” could also refer to an poor and unethical journalist.
        
        EG: Hagar is a “hack”
        
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        June 12, 2019 12:47pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Tova is a hack.. and the one I missed out, mallard is a hack.
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:29pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Best use yet COL Front Bench: “a pack of hacks”.
        
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        June 12, 2019 6:59pm
      - alloytoo
        
        It’s also a term for a taxi (or the driver), fair to say the COL & MSM are taking us for a ride.
        
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        June 13, 2019 9:43am
- sooty
  
  What was she doing in Parliament yesterday?
  Surely there was a kindy somewhere missing out?
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:02am
  - Happychappy
    
    Finally a media site doubts her answers.
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/06/12/631587/ardern-falls-short-so-far-in-budget-hack-response
    How long does it take for the media to Question her story. Maybe this might lead to others asking for the truth.
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:20am
- Tall Man
  
  Anyone who has ever worked in or near the Public Service is well aware that Makhlouf would not have made the statements that he did without the full approval from his minister.
  
  He would have been well aware that his statement was crossing into the “political arena” and there is no way he would willingly go there.
  
  There is also no way that roberstson would have allowed this without express permission from ardern.
  
  This looks to me that it was an “off the cuff” decision made by ardern and robertson who felt they could “do this” without running it past h2.
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:38am
BrownSnake

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Best thing I have ever got off Kiwi Blog in
how many years

FANTASTIC

Restored my Faith in Humanity
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June 12, 2019 8:43am
Maggie Pie

A friend of my partners just got back from a holiday in Thailand and called over last night to drop us off a couple of fake Rolex’s. He only ever flys Air New Zealand and we asked him what he thort about them now allowing the crew to have visible tattoos? It didn’t bother him too much, in fact he was telling us that he used to date an Air NZ hostie who had an amazingly detailed ‘sea-shell’ tattooed on her inner thigh. He reckoned if you put your ear on it you could smell the ocean.
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June 12, 2019 8:48am
Albert_Ross

Out and about in Wellington, I see a lot of people on Onzo bikes; but only once have I seen one wearing a helmet.

Are the rest breaking the law, or did the rules change?
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June 12, 2019 8:50am
- Ruahine
  
  The rules have not changed regarding the wearing of helmets for either cycles or motor cycles but if you live in a Labour run city it appears that obeying some traffic rules are merely optional. This then also means that footpaths become cycle ways. You can also operate powered scooters and bicycles on the footpaths with or without helmets at unregulated speeds endangering pedestrians. This is apparently allowed for commercial operators to carry out their businesses. If you are Lime Scooters you get Mike Williams ex Labour Party President to lobby the Labour run Councils to apparently have optional rules. Woe betide you
  however if you are one of Genters “car Fascists”
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:34am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The police don’t make unenforceable laws much of a priority.
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    Why is it unenforceable?
    
    I remember the hue and cry when this law was implemented after a 10 year old boy, among others, dies after hitting his head falling off his bike.
    
    Do we no longer give a shit?
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:41am
    - Piniwi
      
      Partly true Tall Man however the 10 year old who flaunted the road rules ending up being turned into a vegetable state from head injuries. Even with a silly cycle hat it is doubtful if the outcome would have been any different. This whole fiasco could have been prevented if he had opted to ride on the footpath for short distance to avoid a delay at the Give Way he ignored. A frequent bypass used by other children.
      
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      June 12, 2019 12:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I think you are correct.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmets_in_New_Zealand
        
        Yep, read it and you are but it was enforced for a while and we have still had a few serious accidents both with and without the helmet.
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:28pm
- mandk
  
  They also ride on footpaths and don’t use lights after dark.
  
  The rules are being ignored by the cops.
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    mandk , I guess injuries and deaths as a result of vehicle accidents and serious road code breaches are enough to keep the Police rather stretched ?
    
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    June 12, 2019 10:51am
    - Tall Man
      
      Which probably includes those severely injured or killed falling off their bikes.
      
      You really show yourself to be an idiot.
      
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      June 12, 2019 11:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ask chloe swarbrich, perhaps all laws that are ignored are to be repealed as part of the “watermelon” manifesto.
    
    I feel sorry for the dairy owners when thieving cigarettes with menace is no longer illegal because so many ignore the law.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:45am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I think the provided free helmets all blew away?
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder why Robertson put up Mahklouf for the RNZ interview on Wednesday?
It was Mr Robertson who initially agreed to do the RNZ interview after putting out his statement at 8.22pm, but during the course of the night that changed and instead it was suggested Mr Makhlouf front media.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/391818/budget-hack-timeline-clears-air-but-burning-questions-remain
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June 12, 2019 8:56am
- alloytoo
  
  “Plausible deniability”
  
  Makhlouf has been left swinging in the wind.
  
  I imagine the civil service will be viewing the government with some scepticism this morning.
  
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  June 12, 2019 9:06am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Quite so alloytoo – Robertson, Ardern, Little and Peters would do well to look at a photo of President Harry Truman, and the sign on his desk that said “The Buck Stops Here”.
    
    Robertson in particular is wholly responsible for the behaviour and conduct of Makhlouf. Instead of hanging his CEO out to dry through his obfuscation and half-truths, he should accept that a major f*ck-up happened in his Ministry, and at the very least, offer his resignation.
    
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    June 12, 2019 9:19am
    - Swifty
      
      But if Robbo left Parliament what else could/would he do?
      
      If he ever found himself on the street, like most of us having to look for customers he would be bereft.
      
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      June 12, 2019 9:33am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s quite a shame that Bridges wasn’t up to the task of putting that (or any) point across. It seems that he could not deliver on the expectations of many Kiwibloggers that yesterday’s question time would see the government crack under the pressure.
      
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      June 12, 2019 9:37am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey.
        
        Shall I spell it out for you, MMA?
        
        A full frontal onslaught of Our PM will be a disaster… as the media will make out that she is being bullied.
        
        A better tactic is to peel the layers of stardust off, one by one, to reveal the empty promise within.
        
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        June 12, 2019 10:35am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That will be of great comfort to the Kiwibloggers disappointed by Bridges’s performance yesterday, Maggy: that he’ll get it right next time, or maybe the time after that.
        
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        June 12, 2019 11:09am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        One question at a time mikenmild. I see Amy Adams has a very direct “the buck stops here” question to Robertson this afternoon on Ministerial responsibility:
        
        Hon AMY ADAMS to the Minister of Finance: Does he accept that clause 3.27 of the Cabinet Manual states he is individually accountable for Treasury’s actions in relation to the early release of Budget 2019 information, and at what specific time did Treasury first receive advice from the GCSB relating to the use of the term “hack”?
        
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        June 12, 2019 11:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        Maggy, mike is neither a doer or a maker, he is a watcher and a public servant.
        
        He has never had to achieve a goal by designing and implementing a strategy so the ” slowly slowly catchy monkey” has hime thinking of David Attenborough and lion movies.
        
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        June 12, 2019 12:25pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Nice, Tony. So it’s this afternoon that everything will be exposed at question time.
        You don’t seem to have much idea about how the doctrine of ministerial responsibility works, or how the public service is actually regulated.
        It’s nice to imagine that any kind of mistake leads to the humiliatio and resignation of politicians you don’t like – but it doesn’t work that way.
        New Zealand ministers do not resign for departmental failings, and very seldom do they resign at all, as opposed to being sacked by the prime minister.
        The departmental failings are being investigated, as they should. No amount of PQs and blogging will prompt any political fallout in adcance of that inquiry being completed, reported, and no doubt critiqued.
        You have been watching politics for a while – surely you must have some idea how this all works.
        
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        June 12, 2019 12:55pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Thanks TS @ 11.57 am a great follow up to the Speaker reverting to a Speakers ruling after swatting it up the night before OQT yesterday. Ops off with another layer between 5 patsy questions as the Green Gang claim back one as they go into damage control. Who will be in witless protection today?
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:00pm
      - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
        
        I think Mikes got a point.
        The time soon comes where slowly slowly becomes far too slow, and the opportunity is lost. People already don’t care anymore the only thing they associate is that “National hacked the Budget”… and it’s not as if Bridges questioning in the House yesterday put the PM (Select) in any difficulty.
        At.
        All…
        
        But I do hope there is an end game to all this, in which the PM(S) retires to motherhood.
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:24pm
      - Scooter
        
        National doesn’t have to do anything, this clusterf@#& of a Govt is doing fine on their own. Just imagine what more shambles they’ll deliver in the next year.
        
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        June 12, 2019 11:05pm
    - lastmanstanding
      
      All of them are sly pieces of feral vermin.
      
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      June 12, 2019 9:46am
    - Tall Man
      
      Tony, I’m pretty sure that they do adhere to that principle… all the shit is headed to Truman’s desk.
      
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      June 12, 2019 11:46am
    - alloytoo
      
      Robertson saw the sign and believed “Buck” meant money not responsibility.
      
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      June 12, 2019 11:50am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The Public Service will remember the poor conduct of the Minister. It may redound on other Ministries too.
      
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      June 12, 2019 12:41pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’d be a cold day in hell before any politican suffered consequences for being horrible to public servants.
        
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        June 12, 2019 12:56pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Pretty sure they have their own ministers to despise.
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:16pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I’m quite sure you are well aware that you are wrong about that.
        
        It may not be shouted to the rafters but I know for a fact that many a senior public servant has exacted “revenge” on an ignorant minister, seldom while in office but after is a very different story.
        
        I am well aware of two instances when a minister has regretted his actions and it was just as well that the office doors were shut!
        
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        June 12, 2019 2:24pm
  - Hacked-Off
    
    And when the bureaucracy is skeptical of a Government or do not trust them then look out for more leaks to the Opposition or the Media.
    
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    June 12, 2019 10:31am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Public servants are skeptical of all politicians. Most leaks of information, however, are from politicians.
      
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      June 12, 2019 12:57pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry, mikey I know for a fact that isn’t correct as I am sure do you, but those instances are still not for public consumption.
        
        Remember that the vast majority of “assistants, pa’s and secretaries” inside the Beehive are public servants and you must also be aware that many a minister has “suggested” that something be “leaked” in an attempt to enhance their own position or denigrate another’s.
        
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        June 12, 2019 2:30pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        How do you know? I’ve been at that level and sought certain policy outcomes… It is possible sometimes to even go right over the top of government direct to the people. The ends can justify the means if corruption is being avoided.
        
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        June 12, 2019 3:29pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  “right behind you Gabs!”
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:20am
  - Tall Man
    
    As I have said before, when these giys are behind you check your wallet and your arsehole as one or both of them is being reamed.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:47am
- Rachael Membery
  
  That article still says that National tried the Treasury site 2000 times.
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:07pm
artemisia

From the article in Stuff yesterday it sounds like the Wellington Tapu te Ranga marae buildings had building warrants of fitness. That is not a rubber stamp from the council. So an independent qualified person (IQP) tested the systems and signed them off year after year.

This needs an immediate and serous investigation.
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June 12, 2019 9:20am
- Tall Man
  
  “Treaty of Waitangi”…. go away.
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:48am
Poppa

Memo to Phil Twyford

Phil, please just quit, you are an embarrassment to yourself. I know you have a huge ego but for God’s sake man!

By my reckoning you have sold less than 50 houses that you built & if you are not careful you will end up buying more than you can sell.

What was that target again? 1000 wasn’t it?
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June 12, 2019 9:31am
- sooty
  
  No, he has to stay there untill the next election as no one wants the job!
  Why should someone else end up as one of the worst hated people in NZ.
  Leave him there to take the shit. Just reduce his powers so he is a seat warmer.
  Then give him the DCM before the election!
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:33am
krazykiwi

Remember the doom merchants prior to the Brexit vote in 2016? The UK economy was going to nose dive, unemployment would soar etc. So it’s not working out too well for the doomsayers.

LONDON (AP) – Official figures show that average earnings in the U.K. increased in the three months to April while unemployment remained at its lowest level since the end of 1974.

The Office for National Statistics said Tuesday that average weekly earnings excluding bonuses were up 3.4% in the three months to April compared with the year before
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June 12, 2019 9:33am
brett68

This place has become a bit of an echo chamber.
If you’re interested in getting a better idea of what people under 45 are thinking or consider important, have a read of this board.
https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/

181 thousand subscribers, it’s not just politics though but they do have quite a few posts on political topics.

Have to say, long term not looking good for the centre-right unfortunately.
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June 12, 2019 9:34am
- infused
  
  NZ reddit is more rabid left than the standard.
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:17am
  - brett68
    
    Certainly a bit more left than here but that’s hardly surprising.
    The last generation or two have been told that the left is far better than the right.
    Unless the centre-right starts pitching at these generations and explain why centre-right politics is a better choice for them and the country National may as well back up and go home.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:39am
    - andydownhere
      
      Everyone including the bookies said the Labour lefties were a as good a cert as Winx in Aussie, but who won there??? The right. The ones not shouting from the rooftops
      
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      June 12, 2019 8:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They don’t seem to be fans of Golriz Gharaman
  https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/bziffd/defence_forces_1b_spend_unnecessary_greens/
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:02am
  - brett68
    
    Apart from the militant white man hating feminist sector, Golriz Gharaman isn’t very popular with anyone
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:10am
    - stephieboy
      
      brett68,
      
      “Golriz Gharaman isn’t very popular with anyone..”
      
      Anyone? Far righters and alt righters aside.
      
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      June 12, 2019 1:34pm
      - Batman
        
        She’s popular with a certain activist set… So that’s maybe 0.1% of the general population
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Too generous batman, too generous by far.
        
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        June 12, 2019 2:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Read the comments on the Reddit post….
        
        and then try and figure out the point brett68 has been making on this thread…
        
        here’s a clue:
        Certainly a bit more left than here
        
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        June 12, 2019 2:25pm
- Tall Man
  
  brett, I understand what you are saying but consider this, as these social justice warriors with extreme left leaning views age, will they entrench those views or mellow like the rest of us as time and experiences make an impact on their thought processes.
  
  For example, I’m sure that many who celebrated the fall of apartheid now look warily at what has replaced it.
  
  Therefore while you see the centre right as fading, I see it being continually refreshed.
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:12am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Exactly. How many of us are actually on KB because we have always been interested in politics but have certainly changed some of our stances over the years?
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:52am
  - alloytoo
    
    Most people grow up.
    
    Sadly in the case of South Africa the writing was only the wall early on.
    
    One only has to do some basic maths to understand the abject failure of their education system, leaving 70% of the population unemployable in a formal economy.
    
    Couple that with the reality that the educated are in a position to and frequently do leave for greener pastures and you come to the conclusion that a country built on Gold and Platinum will eventually run out of money.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:53am
  - brett68
    
    I understand what you are saying but consider this, as these social justice warriors with extreme left-leaning views age, will they entrench those views or mellow like the rest of us as time and experiences make an impact on their thought processes.
    
    From what I’m reading the “extreme left-leaning views” aren’t really considered extreme anymore, if anything they’re considered mainstream and the opposite point of view is now the extreme view.
    
    Looking back I think John Key has actually pretty much destroyed the centre-right, Key was never a politician he was a business guy and looked at voters the same way a business looks at clients.
    
    Ideology didn’t get a look in with Key, all he wanted to do was win and he’d take whatever steps were required to get a win so he and National could concentrate on the higher level wheeling and dealing stuff.
    
    That’s why he never rolled back any of Clark’s policies and instead cemented them in place because that’s what he believed would enable National to win.
    
    Unfortunately, we’ve now had two decades of labour/Green party indoctrination through schools and the media
    
    That’s had a huge effect on the last couple of generations.
    
    Sure some will go National but far more will stay Labour/Greens, the balance has well and truly shifted in favour of the left.
    
    Unless National gets a bit more hands on that balance will keep shifting further left
    
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    June 12, 2019 12:13pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Ah, so you’re a National supporter but hate Simon Bridges and Sir John Key….
      
      Well that’s a surprise.
      
      By the way, you’re wrong on all counts.
      
      Clearly throughout the world Nationalism is on the rise as a reaction to the stupidity of left leaning politics and those ideas are becoming just as prevalent among younger voters as older.
      
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      June 12, 2019 1:15pm
- Alien
  
  All these places that you keep finding that are better than here, one wonders why you keep coming back
  
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  June 12, 2019 12:30pm
  - brett68
    
    Local messageboard sites I like to look at
    Kiwiblog
    Whale oil(rarely)
    The Standard
    The Daily blog
    Your NZ
    Reddit
    TMMB
    YSB
    Twitter
    
    Some are far better than others, but it pays to read a good cross section so you get the full picture of what’s going on
    Just because I think kiwiblog’s gone to the dogs, dosen’t mean I won’t read of it, just not as much.
    
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    June 12, 2019 12:44pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You’ll be missed…
      
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      June 12, 2019 1:16pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hells bells, it would take me hours to plow through that lot.
      
      what else do you do with your day?
      
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      June 12, 2019 1:37pm
      - Alien
        
        Porn?
        
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        June 12, 2019 2:23pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        fantasizes about women in nurses scrubs 🙂
        
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        June 12, 2019 3:59pm
Jack5

Has Al-Jazeera bought the Christchurch Press from Stuff, or have the editors just undergone some sort of collective crisis?

Today, the Press, in an editorial that could be devastating for subscriptions, criticises the rugby authorities for not changing the name of the beloved local rugby team, the Crusaders, because of the mosques massacre and because of the origin of the name nearly a thousand years ago.

Since the massacres, polls have shown overwhelming support of fans for retaining the name, Crusaders, which has long since come to mean virtually any hearty public campaign.

If the Christchurch Press were locally owned, in fact probably if it were owned by anyone except Al Jazeera or Gulf billionaires, there is no way the newspaper would take such a stand against its great local rugby heroes, who are having an excellent year on rugby fields.

Go Crusaders!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/sport/113398500/nzr-got-it-wrong-over-decision-to-keep-crusaders-name
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June 12, 2019 9:37am
- Tricati
  
  The ‘Press’ is a bloody joke – A biased lefty mouthpiece already pushing, Climate Change Emergency, The Peoples Choice (Labour) in the local body elections, and their endless Saint Jacinda articles.
  Its only use is to light the fire during winter.
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:23am
- marcw
  
  The opinion piece seems to be written by the Dominion editors – anonymous of course. There’s a certain irony in a groupthink of journalists declaring that the Rugby Union lacks leadership, all spouted from behind an unidentified wall.
  
  Gutless wonders would be my opinion of the authors, and I’m pretty sure there will be not one rugby supporter amongst them.
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:30am
Im Right

Makhlouf has a job lined up with Ireland’s treasury, and Ireland will be looking closely at this fiasco, what it means is that Makhlouf has no loyalty to Robertson/Little/Ardern and is looking to his his new job stability….I think Labour are wrong thinking he will just slink off quietly taking all the blame!
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June 12, 2019 9:41am
- Durden
  
  Makhlouf will go quietly.
  
  The Labour party in Ireland has suddenly threatened Makhlouf with cancellation of his contract – wink wink. The NZ Labour Party has threatened him here to go quietly and not dump Robertson/Ardern in it and he will be exonerated by a SSC white wash report.
  
  Everybody is happy.
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:19am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Whistleblowers careers are almost always ended. Omerta is enforced.
    
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    June 12, 2019 4:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Australia having its first FGM trial
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-12/high-court-to-hear-appeal-on-female-genital-mutilation/11200674
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June 12, 2019 9:49am
- JibberJabber
  
  From twitter a couple of days ago,
  
  Rita Panahi
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  Verified account
  
  @RitaPanahi
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  More
  Your tax dollars are funding students at Australia’s top university being told the evil of FGM is not that different to women in the West choosing to pierce their ears.
  
  Article behind a paywall at the Heraldsun unfortunately.
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:17am
  - Swifty
    
    Well if you believe that “the earth cries out to God in anguish because of the urine of the uncircumcised”, and that “the earth becomes defiled from the urine of the uncircumcised for forty days”
    
    …then you’ll believe anything.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khitan_(circumcision)
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:38am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Cripes!
      
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      June 12, 2019 12:47pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Well…
    
    One is a choice, one which doesn’t result in deafness.
    
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    June 12, 2019 12:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, ah your Oz African and Muslim crime watch resumes!
  
  BTW , did you know that in Christian Uganda FGM continues to be a big problem,?
  
  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-uganda-women-fgm/u-n-investigating-surge-in-female-genital-mutilation-in-uganda-idUSKCN1PJ0X9
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well it pays to watch what Aussies are up to, don’t you reckon.
    
    I couldn’t care less what ethnicity/religion folks are… I have no time for anyone who wants to make excuses for cutting the clitoris of little girls.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:36am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, it merely shows that FGM is not a Muslim exclusive that classical liberal and you may of hoped for.
      
      Yes , there will be those who will try and break the law be they Christian , Muslim or Atheist etc.
      
      Both OZ and NZ have laws to deal with most eventualities as you have mentioned
      
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      June 12, 2019 1:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I have never said FGM was a Muslim exclusive…
        Why are you fixated on this matter.
        
        Can’t you get it through your head, that it is violence against women, children and the vulnerable that appals me
        and folks like you that are forever trying to run with excuses for this appalling behaviour are their ENABLERS.
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:33pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephieboy’s 10.42 post in which he cites the female genital mutilation in what he calls “Christian Uganda” is an example of the way the syndicate that uses the “Stephieboy” pseudonym over several years has twisted facts, usually in its support of Islam.
        
        In fact, 13.4 per cent of the 40.8 million people who live in Uganda are Muslims, and they are concentrated in east Uganda.
        
        The article that Stephie X links to does not contain any reference to Christians.
        
        This extract from the linked article gives a picture of what is going on with FGM in Uganda:
        
        Ugandan media reported this week that armed groups had been forcefully conducting FGM in Kween district near the eastern border with Kenya.
        
        The reports sparked alarm across the east African nation, which has a strict anti-FGM law in place that has helped reduce the number of FGM cases in recent years.
        
        The Kween district in eastern Uganda contains only about 105,000 of Uganda’s population. That is less than 0.26 per cent.
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:48pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, I seriously question that you would not have posted your item if the alleged offender had not being a Muslim!
        
        Going by the tenor of your earlier posts related to minority communities in Australia especially Melbourne.
        
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        June 12, 2019 1:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , the point is FGM is a traditional tribal African custom!
        
        https://www.desertflowerfoundation.org/en/news-detail/187.html
        
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        June 12, 2019 2:18pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Total succesful convictions Aus and NZ, Zero.
        Working well in Aussie, one overturned conviction, convicted 5 years ago. Lower estimate is 4,000 a year being butchered, so conviction rate not looking good at all.
        This pratice especially stage 2 and 3 is abysmal and sick violence on a fellow human being, anyone excusing it is barbaric, regardless of race or religion.
        On those figures, I guess NZ has at least 10 a week, 500 a year.
        The butchers are winning hands down.
        
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        June 12, 2019 5:15pm
      - BrownSnake
        
        Going by the tenor of your earlier posts related to minority communities in Australia especially Melbourne.
        
        WHAT? do you know about Melbourne or Australia?
        
        ARE YOU actually trying to fool people you
        actually give a RATS
        about the people of Melbourne?
        
        Who are you trying to fool?
        
        I can tell you something the minority communities
        of Melbourne (and there are more than you could count) do not need a Dork like you speaking for them and pretending you care about them or
        represent them?
        
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        June 12, 2019 10:47pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy
      
      Well you can doubt anything I say/write stephieboy.
      
      You can even tell lies about me on this public forum.
      
      But while you were creating fantasies about an Alt-right trumpeter little old lady in Gizzy, a nasty ozzie slipped under your radar.
      
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      June 12, 2019 2:31pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    So the hell what, Stuffy? FGM is wrong and we know various groups do it with various pathetic ‘cultural’ or ‘religious’ excuses.
    
    So, you hate women so much that instead of just standing up against FGM by *anyone* you would rather troll away at us.
    
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    June 12, 2019 12:02pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  A more definite one would have been better, skin sniffing the steel, weasel words.
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:24pm
Scott

In the latest episode of the trump files, Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort is being sent to solitary confinement in Rikers prison while awaiting trial on state charges.

This despite Manafort being found guilty in federal court and sentenced to 7 years in prison. He will be held in solitary confinement (for his own safety). Solitary confinement is a cruel punishment that is designed to break the will of a person. He was held in solitary confinement last year and that has broken his health. Now having been sent to jail he is being transferred to an awful prison while awaiting trial on state charges.

This can only be seen as vindictive punishing of Mr Manafort for the crime of supporting the presidential campaign of Donald Trump. This is cruel and unusual punishment and give some insight into the left’s hatred of Donald Trump and their desire to punish vindictively his friends and associates.

Normally the media would raise an outcry about this kind of call and unusual punishment. But because he has committed the sin of supporting the presidency of Donald Trump and because he is white and male and elderly he is not a high priority.

However what stands out for me is the utter vindictiveness of the left. They appear to be willing to hound this man to his grave.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/leftism-makes-people-meaner-reflections-on-the-torture-of-paul-manafort/
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- mikenmildagain
  
  I look forward to you leading the campaign to end the use of solitary confinement for everyone. Have you thought of joining the Howard League or the Prison Fellowship to continue your advocacy for criminals to enjoy better conditions in jail?
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    So you don’t care that “Justice Department” is being used for political torture?
    
    Much like the police here are running around checking up on people that are unlikely to support a government of liars.
    
    “A prison sentence is not a license for gov torture and human rights violations. That’s what solitary confinement is,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “Manafort should be released, along with all people being held in solitary.”
    
    Another horse face has spoken…..
    
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    June 12, 2019 12:10pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    As long as everyone is treated equally, sure.
    
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    June 12, 2019 7:28pm
- Kabull
  
  If my understanding is correct, Manafort’s transfer to Rikers was a New York State decision, not a Federal one. Of course, NY is rabidly Democratic. Says it all …
  
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  June 12, 2019 10:46am
- MCos
  
  Another angle on the same story from a less partisan source
  https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/06/05/ocasio-cortez-solitary-confinement-paul-manafort-1353641
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:03am
- SGA
  
  Scott, does Manafort want to be realised into the general prison population?
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:13am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Exactly. Solitary confinement (with plenty of reading material) sounds a lot better to me.
    
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    June 12, 2019 12:05pm
    - alloytoo
      
      With a fibre connection it sounds like heaven.
      
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      June 12, 2019 12:14pm
  - Scott
    
    SGA – read the article that I have linked to. It appears that in Rikers Mr Manafort will be locked up for 23 hours a day in a small cell with only a tiny slit of a window for light.
    
    What could have happened is that he would have stayed in a lower security prison until his trial. But it appears that he is being punished and relentlessly persecuted by the leftists in the criminal justice system of New York who just hate Donald Trump and want to get at anyone associated with him.
    
    Generally solitary confinement is used for the worst criminals who are a danger to themselves and to others. Mr Manafort does not fit any of those categories.
    
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    June 12, 2019 2:44pm
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      ‘It appears…’
      Boo hoo. It hasn’t happened and his cushy solitary confinement so far has been at his own request.
      Have you joined the Howard League, Amnesty International or the Prison Fellowhship yet to pursue your interest in abolishing solitary confinement?
      
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      June 12, 2019 2:58pm
    - SGA
      
      I read it befroe I asked. But you didn’t answer my question, Scott. Does Manafort want to be released into the general prison population?
      
      Some others –
      Are the conditions of Manafort’s isolation from the general population really the same as those who are in solitary confinement as a punishment? (My guess would be not, but I’m happy to be corrected)
      
      If, as you say, solitary confinement is such a cruel and unusual punishment, then should it be used at all?
      
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      June 12, 2019 3:02pm
Ross12

For those interested in European politics this is a great read.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/victor-orban-adviser-maria-schmidt-orban-and-trump-are-like-twins/
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June 12, 2019 10:14am
Fletch

Mark Levin interviews Democrat pollster Mark Penn who worked on both Bill and Hillary Clinton’s campaigns.

He explained to Levin that “investigations of the president, of the campaign, of the administration, of the president’s family, done with methods that were really meant to investigate people, not crimes, and things that seem to me to be way over the bounds of the Constitution.”

“No one can be an effective president, or as effective as they could be, if they are under constant threats and investigations,” Penn added.

The longtime Democratic political adviser recalled that after the impeachment of then-President Bill Clinton in 1998, he had hoped the country would never go through something like it again.

He observed what the Democrats are doing now is “even worse” than what happened then.

Penn stated that Democratic leaders are no longer engaged in “legitimate legislative inquiry” through the many subpoenas and demands for personal financial and business records.

“Now saying: ‘Hey let’s get some of these tax returns — oh, let’s get the tax returns of their children, their family. Let’s go back in history,’ that’s government-financed opposition research, that’s not legitimate legislative inquiry,” the former White House aide said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOvVPudLEc8
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June 12, 2019 10:47am
Maggie Pie

When my partner just read what he called “…a sorry-arse twitter plea” to Kim Dotcom,
he reckoned Kimmie should just reply – “Im a bit busy myself right now” LOL!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8xUyLJW4AYjf8W?format=jpg&name=small
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June 12, 2019 12:00pm
- Alien
  
  Very busy
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/630520159925501952?s=20
  
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  June 12, 2019 12:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    FUN FACT:
    
    Did you know KFC have nearly 1.4 million followers on twitter?
    
    But THEY only follow 11 people – the 5 ‘Spice’ Girls and 6 guys named ‘Herb’.
    
    LOL!!!
    
    https://twitter.com/kfc
    
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    June 12, 2019 1:11pm
    - Alien
      
      Hahaha, you’re bad, I bet you keep all your patients I stitches even if they didn’t need them
      
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      June 12, 2019 1:34pm
- All_on_Red
  
  KFC = Kim’s Fattening Centre
  
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  June 12, 2019 1:03pm
Fletch

Enjoyable watching – Rep Matt Gaetz rips Dems a new one over their wheeling out John Dean (who was involved in Watergate) to comment on the Mueller investigation – something that he knows nothing about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7xgBrAkHTM

The whole thing is becoming a farce. The Democrats have this wish fulfillment strategy, such that if they click their heels together three times and say the magic words, “Watergate, Watergate, Watergate”, that somehow Trump will be impeached and they will be returned to power. It ain’t gonna happen…
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June 12, 2019 12:43pm
Captain Mainwaring

Where the Hell is Cindy today? Kindy visit?
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June 12, 2019 2:28pm
- Alien
  
  Fielday
  
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  June 12, 2019 2:30pm
- Tall Man
  
  Away. Good.
  
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  June 12, 2019 2:42pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Hiding, as usual. $500k year apparently doesn’t require that you actually show up for work.
  
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  June 12, 2019 3:08pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  What is Cindy using for tin to fly her around.
  NZ 7571 rescued Winston and his party from Port Vila flight KIW022 on 7th and 8th. June
  Then went off to Canberra KIW813.
  Then flew North landing in Seoul, then onto Japan.
  NZ 7572 from what I can see remains on the ground in Port Vila, since becoming inoperable nearly a week ago, so both aircraft are overseas.
  Does Cindy take a Herc, hire a business jet, or dare I say, take a commercial flight?
  Maybe Ron needs a few bucks to get rid of these rapidly ageing 757 gas guzzlers.
  I am tempted to put in a OIA and ask “How many commercials flights she and Winston have taken since taking power. I am guessing the answer is closer to Zero than 5.
  Climate change looks a fairly low priority in the well being government.
  
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  June 12, 2019 5:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear,
Trevor discovers that Solar Power isn’t what it’s cracked up to be…
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/parliament-scraps-idea-of-going-solar-powered.html
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June 12, 2019 2:43pm
- Alien
  
  With the amount of gasbags in that building I would think natural gas would be better
  
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  June 12, 2019 2:50pm
- mandk
  
  “Green Party spokesperson for energy and resources Gareth Hughes told Newshub he’d love to see solar panels on Parliament”
  
  Hasn’t anyone told him solar panels rely on radiation from nuclear fusion?
  
  I mean, isn’t that really bad or something?
  
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  June 12, 2019 3:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not that much of that radiation gets through to Wellington, though.
    
    Perhaps they could install wind turbines on the beehive.
    
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    June 12, 2019 3:47pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Inside you mean…..
      
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      June 12, 2019 7:04pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Isn’t evil mining required to make solar panels?
    
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    June 12, 2019 4:10pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    https://deskcycle.com/
    hook all those CoL meatbags up to the grid.
    
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    June 12, 2019 4:38pm
SGA

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June 12, 2019 3:01pm
Happychappy

Simon has to keep going after Winston as I reckon he will blow a fuse if they keep putting pressure on him like today.
Winston has a thing about Simon and he trying to play Lawyers games which I think could end up coming back to bite
him. For all Winston gets away with in Parliament I think it would worth a MP getting tossed out of the Chamber for calling Peter’s the Scourge of NZ Politics when directing a question to him.
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June 12, 2019 3:42pm
- RiP NZ
  
  Happy Chappy
  Did you see JAGs performance – talk about a weak link, melted in the face of basic line of questioning.
  Should apply the blow torch
  
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  June 12, 2019 6:52pm
  - Happychappy
    
    National had a good day Twyford arranging meeting with Goff without the proper procedure, Winston thinking he was a lawyer ,Genter losing her rag and Roberson making a dork of himself with self praise of a few that wrote nice things about. That’s the problem with Politicians the never quote the bad things that are written about them.
    
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    June 12, 2019 7:12pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    They are about the budget, so many times they are accused of taking their foot off the pedal and changing tack, they have their cause celebre at the moment that has to be reported, just let them get on with it.
    
    I would like them to question about D-Day, a bit hard when JA isn’t there.
    
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    June 12, 2019 7:42pm
rangitoto

Total DHB deficit grows from $221 million to $264 million in one month. What is Clark doing?
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June 12, 2019 4:04pm
- Alien
  
  Only one dhb in the country is in the black
  
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  June 12, 2019 6:09pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Not operations.
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:44pm
Happychappy

I wondered why Paula Bennet gave The Speaker a written request about Ministers having to answer Questions tomorrow instead of hiding behind d their rolls, it look like things are about to get interesting tomorrow.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/beehive-reveals-treasury-knew-it-had-not-been-hacked-for-12-hours.html
This should wipe the smerk off Grant Robertsons face.
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June 12, 2019 4:10pm
- Alien
  
  I go back to when the story broke that they said that staff knew on Sunday night that there was suspicious activity going on. Now it would of taken a few minutes at the most to track the ip to being in parliament. So let’s take it that they did not do that, let’s believe that treasury’s Pepe in charge of security didn’t do that. Do we believe for one moment that the gcsb do that straight away?
  
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  June 12, 2019 4:27pm
greybeard

So Beauden Barrett might play for the Blues next year.

Looks as though NZ Rugby has said “Beauden, the Blues are crap, they’ve been crap for years, we need you up there to even out the 5 NZ teams for next year, we’ll pay you double what you are on now, what do you say ?
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June 12, 2019 4:29pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  New rule: only one Barrett per franchise.
  
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  June 12, 2019 4:44pm
barnacle bill

Blues are the grave yard for many good coaches and players.

Why would BB be bothered.
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June 12, 2019 4:43pm
Alien

Too late Trevor, damage already done

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12239855

“Speaker Trevor Mallard has been challenged again over his use of the term “rape” to describe someone who was subsequently stood down from working at Parliament.

And he is still refusing to comment, telling the governance and administration select committee this morning that he had been asked not to by a man who “feels identified”.

Mallard did not say whether the man was the parliamentary worker who had been stood down, and refused to answer questions after the hearing.

“I am not saying anything,” Mallard said repeatedly.”
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June 12, 2019 5:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  He a gutless coward and a bully.
  
  Watch his facial expressions while in the speaker’s chair, he really is a sad little man.
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:37pm
- sooty
  
  Sargent Schutz!
  The do nutink, know nutink!
  Yep, thats Trev!
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:54pm
Martin Williams

On the back of stealing identities, and creating fake ones for the purposes of spam OIA requests, the Taxdodger’s Union is now using stroke victims for political hits.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/113436867/taxpayers-union-post-comparing-phil-twyford-to-a-stroke-victim-offensive-and-insensitive

Oh, the hilarity! They really are a nasty bunch of evil little pricks.
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June 12, 2019 6:18pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I find it hard to be outraged by this.
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:06pm
  - Martin Williams
    
    Calm down.
    
    Just pointing out how nasty Jordan Williams is. Wonder what his good friend Cameron Slater would have made of it. Guess we’ll never know.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:05pm
- Tall Man
  
  On this I agree with you completely, no one, no matter how badly disabled, should be compared with the most useless tit ever to be given an ministerial warrant.
  
  I have never met a stroke victim who wasn’t as honest and as forthright as their condition would allow. twyford, on the other hand, would have to rank as one of the most arrogant nincompoops to walk the halls of parliament… and that includes “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:10pm
- Alien
  
  Guess you have no idea what evil is. What a moronic comment to call them evil for a joke that missed the mark. You labour trolls need to get better educated.
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It must be a day ending in Y.
  Martin Williams is spouting leftist crap again.
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:46pm
mikenmildagain

Questions:
How are Kiwiblog’s new standards and moderation working out?
Do you think the changes have had a good effect on the resident snowflakes?
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June 12, 2019 6:24pm
- nasska
  
  The perennially picked-on Godnutters & those who know best how we should live our lives should be happy. There’s no-one left here who points out their hypocrisy & authoritarian wank.
  
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  June 12, 2019 6:55pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Keep flying the flag for liberty and humours, nasska.
    
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    June 12, 2019 7:07pm
- Happychappy
  
  Your quick to condemn others MM but they don’t make fun of people that had or have brain tumors. But I guess being one of the biggest comment makers on here you don’t get moderated.
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:02pm
- mandk
  
  Evidently, they haven’t tempered the outbursts of the anti-religious bigots.
  
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  June 12, 2019 7:05pm
Alien

But wait, Winston the drunk peters said in parliament today this never happened

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113423426/five-eyes-partners-sought-gcsb-assurance-following-treasury-hack-claims

“New Zealand’s external spy agency responded to its Five Eyes partners following Treasury’s false claim it had been hacked.

Director-General Andrew Hampton confirmed Five Eyes partners had sought information and even offered to help following Treasury’s bombshell statement on the Tuesday evening – but said they did “not raise concerns”.”
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June 12, 2019 7:22pm
Jack5

Things hotting up in Hong Kong …

Umbrellas v. police rubber bullets and tear gas.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-hongkong-extradition/hong-kong-police-fire-rubber-bullets-as-protests-turn-to-violent-chaos-idUKKCN1TC1XT
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June 12, 2019 9:03pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: The ‘flight to affordability’ is well and truly underway in New Zealand … including commercial …

… Have you checked our Greater Christchurch New Zealand commercial rental trends lately ? The overall ‘flight to affordability’ internally and externally is well and truly underway in New Zealand … refer 2019 section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …

Big city retail and office rents are stable or falling, new report shows | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113245591/big-city-retail-and-office-rents-are-stable-or-falling-new-report-shows

… extract …

… Christchurch

JLL’s report shows Christchurch retail rents are about one third of Auckland’s in prime areas.

In the first quarter Christchurch suburban retail rents fell 6.5 per cent and were now between $325 a square metre and $750sqm.

In the CBD retail rents were stable within a wide range from $475sqm to $1000sqm. Secondary CBD retail rents were falling and were between $250sqm and $500sqm, down 3.2 per cent.

Transactions in Christchurch showed office rents were under pressure and still declining.

Prime CBD office rents fell from $340sqm to $325sqm, 4.4 per cent. Secondary CBD office rents fell even more from $243sqm to $213sqm, a 12.4 per cent decline.

Suburban offices did not fare better with prime space decreasing 3.4 per cent to $213sqm and secondary decreasing 11.8 per cent to $150sqm.

The industrial market was active with a wide variety of tenants looking to secure space. Vacancy rates remained low and rent levels were rising in some sectors.
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Bulk discount retailer Costco to open $90 million site in New Zealand … TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/bulk-discount-retailer-costco-open-90-million-site-in-new-zealand
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… as consumer demands and commercial pressures force retailers and other service providers to follow North American trends … exiting obsolete and excessive costs enclosed Malls for much lower cost stand – alone locations with high standard vehicle access and free parking … with Greater Christchurch leading the way …

Kmart latest to announce plans as big stores turn backs on Christchurch malls … Liz McDonald … The Press Christchurch

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112375143/kmart-latest-to-announce-plans-as-big-stores-turn-backs-on-christchurch-malls

… Consumers lead the changes in the constant ‘flight to affordability’ … while service providers and urban planners do their best to meet their demands … if the latter are interested in survival (some service providers and urban governments however deliberately choose to be losers … such as the former Central Christchurch, The Bureaucrats Bog).
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Those of us that are overseas and like to read/comment now have to wait 10 hours or more for comments to go through.
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