General Debate 11 June 2019

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Maggie Pie

Hamish nails it! QT could be worth a watch today 🙂

https://twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1137979895533883397
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June 11, 2019 8:03am
- srylands
  
  Yeah it is embarrassing all round but the issue will lose momentum. And it will not materially affect the Government’s popularity.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:35am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Taxinda on both Red Radio and Newstalk ZB this morning, waffling on about how ‘some people, SOME people are interested in this’ – implying that most aren’t. And then her usual cover-up phrases ‘Ultimately…’ and ‘Keep in mind…’ that Labour were really focused on their wonderful budget and that she, Grant and Little were completely in the dark and didn’t really know what was happening. So quite prepared to call it a ‘hack’ and loudmouth about it, but while in the dark…
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:31am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Doesn’t matter how she spins it…
      Our PM has basically told the World (and all its hackers) that it needs at least 36 hours before folks running NZ’s economy can figure out if the coffers are open or closed.
      (They already know our cop-shops have open backdoors).
      
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      June 11, 2019 11:30am
      - Ed Snack
        
        The real takeaway is that the media has no interest in exposing the CoL to public opprobrium and censure, so this will be a beltway only issue for lack of media “oxygen”.
        
        Lying to the public is the new norm, but only OK according to the media if your are of the left.
        
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        June 11, 2019 2:44pm
- Tricati
  
  Only if Mallard plays fair – Fat chance of that
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  I see on that twiter feed that the Paddies refuse to stop gas exploration . So who’s thicker , the Micks or the Kiwis?
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:53am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Oi, Stop it with the ethnic slurs already, the correct term is potato wog.
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:05am
    - rangitoto
      
      That’s cultural misappropriation. Potatos come from the Americas.
      
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      June 11, 2019 12:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I luv the giffy posted by ‘Tide’ of Jacca doing her own signing 🙂
    LOL
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:17am
  - sooty
    
    Queen Big Ears!
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:40am
- burt
  
  Hamish points out something that would be the end of a government if we were not the least corrupt country because we never hold politicians accountable.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:54am
- Liberty
  
  On Hosking this morning.
  Dear leaders new power word is “unauthorised entry”
  “No” if you find information from a Government department
  With a standard google search.
  It means the Department has left the door open with a sign
  saying help yourself.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:44am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “unauthorised entry”
    So any other search is “unauthorised” too?
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:18am
  - noskire
    
    Did she steal that phrase from the Labour Youth Camp report?
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:56am
- Martin Williams
  
  Massive flop for Hamish Price.
  
  Good.
  
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  June 11, 2019 5:02pm
  - Lizziep
    
    Oops sorry up ticked by mistake, Martin Williams comment fingers too big and dog sitting on my knee.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:27am
srylands

Why did ACT attract 7 percent of the vote in 2002? Better policies or better leadership? The demographic that supported ACT is still here.
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June 11, 2019 8:10am
- pdm
  
  Better leadership – Richard Prebble and better organised through the country.
  
  ACT used to be strong in Hawkes Bay through `the grasshopper? group’ – now they are non existent.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:34am
  - Aliog
    
    Grasshoppers still going strong, pdm
    
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    June 11, 2019 8:59am
    - pdm
      
      I live in Hastings and never hear anything of it – or ACT for that matter. ACT didn’t even have any signs up in the greater Hastings or Tukituki electorate area at the last election.
      
      I actually emailed them and offered to do some letter box drops for them. I got a reply saying someone would be in touch and that was the last I heard.
      
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      June 11, 2019 9:36am
- infused
  
  highly likely they are going to get my vote next time. Never voted act, but hell, David is the only one actually making sense over the last couple of months. He’s the only one to have the balls to stand up to the bullshit the greens have been spewing (GG) the last few months.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:41am
  - Crisplion
    
    I agree 100%, infused.
    
    I think the ACT base dissipated under the leadership of Don Brash and then John Banks. I have a lot of respect for Brash intellectually and morally; Banks, not so much. But it was a mistake to put either of them in charge of ACT. If Whyte and Seymour had taken the reins for the 2011 election I think things might have been different. Even so, ACT were also contending with an ascendant John Key, who was an enormous gravitational force, politically speaking.
    
    It’s hard for Seymour to bring ACT back because many who might otherwise vote for them on the list see it as a wasted vote while they’re languishing below 1%. Catch 22.
    
    Seymour is the real deal as he’s been showing over the last month or so by standing up for free speech, which National have gone shamefully quiet about. The problem for Seymour has always been getting enough traction to get an extra list seat on the back of Epsom. I’ve never voted ACT before, but I’ll do my bit to help him next time around.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:36am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Destroyed their brand with internal squabbles, petty scandals and a turn agasint liberalism. Only a tiny base of active supporters now. Would have completely disappeared by now except for the MMP electorate seat oddity that offers a continuing temptation to larger parties to domesticate coalition partners.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:53am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah, Donna Awatere, Rodney and David all did some brand damage that sucked out momentum, and personally I was disenchanted with their refugee/immigration policies a while back (haven’t bothered to check again recently), but perhaps the woke militias are enough to stir growth in support for Act again.
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:10am
    - SGA
      
      With hindsight, I think the experiments with Don Brash and John Banks as leaders didn’t help either (especially the latter). High profile people at the time, but it blurred the brand even more.
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:41am
  - 453mm
    
    domesticate coalition partners… A nice turn of phrase and one that shines an interesting light on electorate deals.
    
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    June 11, 2019 11:51am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well, it’s what happened with the various Ohariu, Sydenham and Epsom deals, isn’t it?
      
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      June 11, 2019 1:19pm
- Martin Williams
  
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  Fewer white supremacists?
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:26am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Idiot alert!
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      Unneeded, the name is enough.
      
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      June 11, 2019 12:16pm
  - srylands
    
    Yes 7 percent of voters in 2002 were white supremists.
    
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    June 11, 2019 11:59am
  - Ed Snack
    
    What, you opposed to NZ First ? But they’re in coalition with your beloved leader…
    
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    June 11, 2019 2:46pm
- BushBaby
  
  Because National was an atrocious option and no chance so people like me voted ACT to bolster the opposing views. Not looking for Labour-lite.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:29am
  - Tall Man
    
    So if your term for Nation is “labour lite” then I assume labour and the watermelons are “communist lite”?
    
    If so, failing to support National will undoubtedly resuly in “communist lite” becoming “communist heavy”.
    
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    June 11, 2019 12:20pm
- Alien
  
  Last election our local act candidate, in a town of 40,000 put up one sign, out in the sticks on a farm. No door knocking. No policies dropped in the letterbox, nothing. Don’t think he even talked to the local paper, why vote for someone or a party tat doesn’t even want to campaign for your vote
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:48am
  - tf78
    
    No money – that’s why, they don’t get much election money dished out to them like the bigger parties.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:11am
    - Alien
      
      Rubbish, the candidate could of gone door knocking, could of gone to the local paper or the local radio station. There is plenty he could of done without it costing money. Don’t even think he bothered to turn up to the local debate.
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:30am
      - kloyd0306
        
        So sad to see further evidence that grammar is neglected in our education system.
        
        I blame the teachers.
        
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        June 11, 2019 2:52pm
- rockape
  
  Collapse of the National vote.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:54am
Happychappy

Why would any politician go near TV Three with their toxic Journalist Tova O’Brien ruling the roost. After Sunday nights poll this wannabe Journalist penned four Columns on her hate for Simon Bridges with statements that the National MP’s that she had spoken were about to get rid of him as their Leader.
If she wasn’t a employed Journalist you could make a case that she had alternative reasons for the trash she writes but her nastiness increases with every piece she pens.
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June 11, 2019 8:11am
- alloytoo
  
  Who exactly was she before the Jamie Lee Ross saga?
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:43am
  - sooty
    
    Was she she JLR’s BFF?
    
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    June 11, 2019 8:49am
    - John Warren
      
      A friend with benefits, the gossip would have it.
      
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      June 11, 2019 9:23am
      - Inandout
        
        JW, talking of gossip I well remember Felicity Ferret in Metro mag. That person knew how to make the ‘famous’ squirm, and one could imagine how she would have treated the Ponsonby cafe chatterers who liked the white stuff.
        
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        June 11, 2019 10:09am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Inandout you are referring to a time when Metro was a good read, before people like Simon Wilson.
        
        The Ferret was well connected and use to get well fed. She would most definitely loved sinking her teeth into the latte sets of Grey Lynn and Ponsonby.
        
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        June 11, 2019 11:49am
      - Overworked
        
        I find even the concept quite inexplicable.
        
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        June 11, 2019 2:50pm
- Kabull
  
  National should make a deliberate move to refuse to do interviews with, or respond to, Ms O’Brien. She is clearly on a crusade to undermine the party.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:14am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    they probably wouldn’t mind – would be a ‘scalp’ and increase their left wing appeal (they have already driven away everyone on the right).
    
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    June 11, 2019 12:20pm
- Alien
  
  Better to talk to news hub than not and let news hub twist their stories even more
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:49am
  - Colville
    
    I disagree.
    Do a “Trump” and go around them direct to the public with your own version of the events.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:29am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Fully agree. Trump has single-handedly accelerated the demise of the MSM by bypassing them and delivering bite-size messages to the masses. No spin. Just the message. And it’s driven the MSM further to the left thereby highlighting their status as leftist partisan sycophants.
      
      With the MSM firmly in the pay of the left, anyone to the right of Chairman Mao should follow Trump’s lead.
      
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      June 11, 2019 11:22am
      - virtualmark
        
        You’re kidding right?
        
        Trump has been the best thing to happen to the mainstream media since the emergence of the internet. The NY Times, WaPo etc have never had so many paying subscribers.
        
        Trump and the media are co-dependent. It’s a weird sort of abusive relationship … but neither can live without the other.
        
        And don’t tell me that Rupert won’t try to get Trump re-elected purely for Rupert’s own profit-seeking reasons.
        
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        June 11, 2019 1:48pm
- RightNow
  
  Journalist… hahaha good one.
  
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  June 11, 2019 12:20pm
Pete George

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Another failure in court for the self described ‘justice campaigner’ Dermot Nottingham

[10] As to that, Mr Nottingham has entirely failed to persuade us that any of the material now sought is necessary for the due conduct of the appeals.

[12] This application is, therefore, an ill-assessed distraction from the issues on appeal. These must focus on the admissibility of the evidence adduced, the inferences properly to be drawn from that evidence and the directions given by the trial Judge, rather than on evidence neither before nor capable of being before the Court, or the background motives of those who did or did not give evidence, to the extent that was not already put in evidence. There is a limit. It has long since been crossed in this application.

His success rate in court proceedings has been dismal.

So now on to the delayed appeal:

[2] The Solicitor-General has appealed Mr Nottingham’s sentence on the basis it is, she says, manifestly inadequate. Mr Nottingham has appealed both conviction and sentence. These appeals are to be heard by Criminal Appeal Division on 25 June 2019.

https://yournz.org/2019/06/11/nottingham-fails-in-court-again/
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June 11, 2019 8:15am
- srylands
  
  Here we go again.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  Repeated link-whoring. Down vote and report. Job done.
  
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  June 11, 2019 11:23am
srylands

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/113211441/air-new-zealand-to-allow-staff-to-show-tattoos

“From September 1 all new and existing Air New Zealand staff will be able to have tā moko (traditional Māori tattoo) and non-offensive tattoos visible when wearing their uniform or normal business attire.”

I don’t want to be served by a flight attendant with a moko.

It would be interesting to ask whether they have surveyed their international customers. On long haul routes, Air New Zealand is bleeding high end customers, especially to the Middle East carriers, such as Qatar, Etihad and Emirates. This change in practice will not earn them a single additional customer.
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June 11, 2019 8:20am
- srylands
  
  The article is awful journalism. Lots of quotes from the Green Party about how wonderful skin whakapapa is and how this will showcase Aotearoa. The only thing that matters is will it increase profits? This from an airline that has recently issued a major profit downgrade.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:33am
  - G152
    
    Plenty of tats in prison if they get short
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:11am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Why do the Greens hate the Japanese? In Japan a tattoo is not even permitted in a spa, people are that offended by them!
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:38am
    - srylands
      
      Inevitably, they will get a Japanese premium customer who refuses to be served by a woman with a moko. And that passenger will never again travel with Air New Zealand.
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:48am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Can only hope this is just tokenism – with 40,000 applicants for 4,000 jobs, sorry sir, you just missed out!
    
    Otherwise, I am with you, I get on planes because I have to, I want to be treated well, not like i’m at a gang pad.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:33am
    - Paulus
      
      Who will bring the first action against Air NZ for somebody who did not get the job because as they will say it was because the interviewer did not like my tats.
      
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      June 11, 2019 1:42pm
- kowtow
  
  Traditional ?
  
  Applied traditionally , didn’t think so .
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:35am
- Stephen James
  
  I won’t to be served by a flight attendant with a moko. No Air New Zealand flights for me and I will tell them why.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:41am
  - stephieboy
    
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    “won’t be served” Go Hungry and thirsty in a long haul flight, then!
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:13am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Or choose another airline, idiot.
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:52am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Choose a better and much more affordable airline. Plenty are available.
        
        Any of the non-tattooed Asian ones already surpass AirNZ. Just doing Emirates at the mo and they knock spots of our national carrier. For less money too.
        
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        June 11, 2019 11:07am
- Inandout
  
  srylands, Air NZ will merely rort the local network to subsidise international. They must have figured the anti tattoo countries don’t matter to their bottom line. Koru lounge fees will increase and the range of food will decrease.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:43am
  - KiWombat
    
    “the range of food will decrease”
    
    That would be pretty challenging !
    
    Last international flight with them I did not even rate a jatz cracker !
    
    At least you still get a cookie or chips on local flights –
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:04am
    - jonno1
      
      And a boiled lolly!
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:09am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I vote for the Morroccan lamb to be the first to go, it’s been on the menu for 18 years now.
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:34am
    - srylands
      
      and that chickpea dish.
      
      the whole menu needs a refresh.
      
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      June 11, 2019 9:55am
    - kowtow
      
      If Air Z is going all ‘traditional’ ( tats) then Long Pig should be back on the menu. Not sure how the hangi pit would operate at 30 000 feet though.
      
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      June 11, 2019 11:02am
      - KiWombat
        
        Mince & Cheese pie anybody?
        
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        June 11, 2019 11:34am
      - Overworked
        
        Sorry Wombat, reported by mistake.
        
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        June 11, 2019 2:52pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    We were in the Strata lounge on Sunday, the Koru Lounge isn’t really any better. In fact Strata actually had hot food instead of only cold the last time we flew AirNZ
    
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    June 11, 2019 11:09am
    - Rich Prick
      
      The Auckland International lounge is much improved since its move. For a long time domestic lounges were better than it. The Air NZ managed Star Alliance lounge in LA is quite possibly the best in the US (admittedly the competition is pretty dreadful).
      
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      June 11, 2019 2:21pm
      - lofty
        
        Yes I agree RP, but having been in the International lounge a few times in the last couple of months, it is still pretty crowded and seating space can be hard to find.
        
        Love LA lounge particularly when the bartender pours an 8 oz as a single malt………
        
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        June 11, 2019 4:01pm
- Yvette
  
  The All Blacks will respect Japanese culture by covering up tattoos as requested by Rugby World Cup 2019 directors and World Rugby.
  Teams and supporters have been warned they need to cover tattoos in public to avoid causing offence to the Japanese.
  Players have been asked by World Rugby to wear rash vests when they use public gyms or swimming pools, as tattoos are associated in Japan with Yakuza, the Japanese mafia.
  
  Will they select non-tattooed staff for flights serving Japan?
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:03am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Instant Japanese reaction:
    
    “God, NO! Not on the face.”
    
    (At which point, rational thought shuts down and switches to flight mode.)
    
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    June 11, 2019 1:32pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Well they might need a substantial amount of thin Lizzie foundation to cover tats!!!!
    
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    June 11, 2019 3:46pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Most Japanese, especially the older ones, are likely to feel extremely uncomfortable being served by a flight attendant with a moko.
  
  Perhaps the pre-flight instructional video should include information in Madarin, Hangul, Cantonese and Japanese about the moko, to calm the nervous passengers and assure them that they are not being served by a member of an anti-social organization.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:39am
- Alien
  
  Who cares if the person has a moko, it in no way changes the service of their staff or the safety of the flight.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:51am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Image is everything, Alien.
    
    (For better or for worse.)
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:12am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The husband nearly had a heart attack when he saw our neighbour’s new chin moko.
      He still can’t handle some of the heavily tattooed faces hereabouts…… (not very traditional in style)
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:55am
      - Tall Man
        
        Yep, never saw KCUF on many face tattoos in 1820 I’ll bet……
        
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        June 11, 2019 12:29pm
  - KiWombat
    
    Service? What flight did you catch?
    
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    June 11, 2019 11:36am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Isn’t that racist Alien, depreciating the feelings of a different culture ?
    
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    June 11, 2019 2:50pm
- kevn
  
  @sry… The Japanese passengers especially will be unhappy Air NZ fliers.
  Tattoos are viewed very negatively in Japan.
  
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  June 11, 2019 10:04am
  - Alien
    
    I guess that explains why Japanese tourists can be seen posing for pictures with the tattoo covered Maori performers in my town, they’re scared shitless of them so they want a photo for evidence…… I think some of you live in labour’s fairyland
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:15am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Bunch of snowflakes. Bet they think female airline staff should wear headscarves to avoid upsetting those important middle east markets, too.
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:34am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Pictures with known “actors” in tourist attractions is perfectly acceptable.
      It’s a little bit like the Victorian big-game hunter posing next to a freshly shot tiger in India. (Edgy and dangerous, to scare the relatives back home…)
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:59am
      - rangitoto
        
        A few years ago I was selected to accept a challenge up at Waitangi on behalf of a group of tourists. Afterwards, a Chinese tourist who spoke reasonable English came up to me and said “You did well, they didn’t eat us”
        
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        June 11, 2019 12:33pm
    - Overworked
      
      Posing for pics doesn’t signify acceptance.
      
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      June 11, 2019 2:55pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    It’s worse than that.
    
    Tattoos are bad enough in Japan, but traditionally these have been only on parts of the body that are hidden when clothes are worn. For example, above the wrists or ankles, below the neckline and away from the chest.
    
    I have never seen a facial tattoo in Japan; and I have seen a few yakuza tatoos in my time.
    
    It’s not just the tattoo; it’s where you have chosen to have it placed.
    
    From a Japanese cultural perspective, facial tattoos are too shocking to comprehend.
    
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    June 11, 2019 1:24pm
- MCos
  
  Personally I couldn’t care less if someone has a visible tattoo or not as long as they provide a competent and pleasant service.
  Huge numbers of Kiwis have tattoos. It’s not as if they’re a rarity anymore.
  
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  June 11, 2019 10:09am
  - Random T Person
    
    I feel the same way. Mind you, my wife wants to get a tattoo and I am vehemently against the idea. She’s in her late 30s for goodness sake!
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:33am
  - srylands
    
    You mean they are not a rarity in New Zealand.
    
    Name one international airline that allows flight attendants to have visible tattoos.
    
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    June 11, 2019 11:05am
    - MCos
      
      What restrictions other airlines do/don’t place on their cabin staff should not dictate how AIr NZ runs it’s operation.
      
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      June 11, 2019 12:24pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Sure, but equally we cannot complain if some people as a result chose not to travel with Air NZ.
        
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        June 11, 2019 2:54pm
      - MCos
        
        It’s not like they’re going to look like the Mongrel Mob.
        
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        June 11, 2019 4:00pm
      - srylands
        
        FFS. No airlines allow such people to be flight attendants because it will negatively affect business. Do you have shares in Air New Zealand?
        
        Let me say this slowly. Japanese travellers over the age of 40 will not be served by women with moko. They may not make a fuss on the day. But they will never fly with Air New Zealand again.
        
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        June 11, 2019 4:19pm
- Durden
  
  The interesting question is will they allow all tats of any type to be displayed e.g. sexist tats of naked ladies, political messages, hate speech.
  
  Or will they censor which tats can be shown. Who is going to be the quality arbiter and what rules are they going to follow?
  
  Opening Pandora’s box.
  
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  June 11, 2019 11:47am
- 453mm
  
  Seems to me that policy is lacking a clear and concise definition of non-offensive.
  
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  June 11, 2019 11:55am
Nukuleka

The Catholic Bishop of Christchurch is proposing to reduce the number of Catholic parishes in the city from 12 to 5, taking into account earthquake damage, demographics and the diminishing number of priests. All, on the face of it, a realistic though maybe a somewhat defeatist decision.

I have no doubt whatsoever that in 10 years time Christchurch will have more mosques than it does Catholic churches.
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June 11, 2019 8:22am
- sooty
  
  Wonder if he’s had the deal of a lifetime for the church property from an expanding religon?
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:52am
- MrTips
  
  Nuku: I have pondered the documents and the strategy for a bit now. Its not a proposal, it will happen (last page says new parishes named by Pentecost 2020).
  
  I think its a prudent idea given the changing demographics. A valid question is what are we going to do with 5 large (including Cathedral) churches that may be 80% full now, but only 25% full in 10yrs time?
  
  IMO, the key is developing more access to the Usus Antiquior which is the only growing section of the Church, because it scares the crap out of everything wrong. I for one will be making that suggestion.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:26am
- MCos
  
  When I was a kid in Timaru there local Catholic Church has four Masses on Sunday morning.
  Numbers dwindled and now the church is gone.
  Since those days I have become more familiar with the Buddhist setup through my wife. Unlike churches the temples are far less formal and are social centres with people sharing food etc every day as well as praying with the the monks if inclined.
  I think the mainstream Christian churches may have missed a trick by clinging to rigid rule books.
  
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  June 11, 2019 12:43pm
Ace

The PM said she chose not to attend D-Day at France because she can’t be everywhere at once. She needs to explain exactly when she received an invitation to D-Day celebrations as I’m sure it’s been on the calendar for 75 years and she would have decided not to attend before the invite to the “Christchurch Call” talkfest.
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June 11, 2019 8:28am
- kowtow
  
  It appears , and our media don’t say it , the Chrsistchurch call, was a side show to some much bigger already planned digital conference……but that wouldn’t fit the media narrative of Jacinda being a world leader.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:39am
- alloytoo
  
  Calls to question her ability to prioritise.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:44am
  - sooty
    
    Some troll said that John Key never went to the 70th!
    Labour still worried about Sir John Key!
    I think that the 25th, 50th, 75th and 100th are the main celabrations. No one gives a shit about the 9th, 23 ,47th, 71st.
    
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    June 11, 2019 8:57am
    - stephieboy
      
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      sooty , get over it . Hardly any body cares out there beyond your KB bubble chamber.
      
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      June 11, 2019 9:17am
      - pentwig
        
        If you listen to the radio steffi you would find you are totally wrong—–again.
        
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        June 11, 2019 11:16am
  - Ace
    
    Exactly she needs to answer to her choices re the timeline
    1. France send out invites to D-Day when?
    2. France send out invite to Talkfest after D-Day invite shows what her values and integrity are.
    It’s not an excuse to brush off with I can’t be everywhere
    
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    June 11, 2019 8:59am
    - backster
      
      Maybe the invite stated she should leave her nijab at home.
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:32am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        It’s only a Hijab, if you are Muslim.
        Otherwise it’s just a ‘T’ towel.
        
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        June 11, 2019 11:49am
    - kowtow
      
      Vichy wouldn’t have sent any invites , in fact they resisted the Torch landings , but that doeesn’t get into the history books .
      
      Nor does their resistance to the largely Australian force that had to invade Vichy lebanon/ syria.
      
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      June 11, 2019 2:51pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Calls (in)to question her ability to prioritise.”
    
    That’s something with which most of us could agree. But, worse still, it calls into question – not for the first time – her suitability to lead this country. She is simply not equipped with the skills and judgment to be Prime Minister of New Zealand.
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ardern invited herself to the G7 meeting on Technology.
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1904/S00190/nz-and-france-seek-to-end-use-of-social-media-for-terrorism.htm
  
  She had been timetabled to speak at the Auckland Writers Festival on Friday 17 May, but that got rearranged to fit in with her changed plans.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:41am
  - cmm
    
    People go to a writer’s festival to listen to her?
    
    WTF?
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:02am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      My lovely neighbour went to her rearranged talk about Stephen Levine’s book on the 2017 election “Stardust & Substance”….
      She reported that Ardern got a rock-star welcome when she appeared on stage.
      (Scary thought – a theatre full of geriatrics hooting & hollering for J.A.)
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:14am
      - Tall Man
        
        The hooting and the hollering is ok, it’s the knicker throwing that concerns me……
        
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        June 11, 2019 12:33pm
- cmm
  
  The D-Day even was not about her.
  
  The Christchurch Call is all about her.
  
  No contest.
  
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  June 11, 2019 10:00am
  - Tall Man
    
    “The Christchurch Call is all about her.”
    
    Only in her mind and the limited minds of her supporters.
    
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    June 11, 2019 12:34pm
- kevn
  
  @Ace… nor did JA attend the big Cassino remembrance even though she was only a couple of hours away, after the 5 day Paris social media talkfest.
  
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  June 11, 2019 10:09am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I may have mentioned this before, but you snowflakes would have criticised her for going if she did attend (carbon emissions, sucking up to other leaders, adandoning baby/dragging baby with her).
  D-Day was never a major commemorative event for NZ on the 2014-2020 schedule. This year’s tier one events are Versailles and Tuia 250.
  
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  June 11, 2019 10:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    And I may have thought that you were talking out of your arse…. and I still do, as I’m sure most normal people would.
    
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    June 11, 2019 12:37pm
hullkiwi

Just heard the PM on RNZ. I’m picking what she has said on the radio and yesterday in her press conference, she will not repeat in the House this afternoon. Why? Because the language does not stack up. To suggest that GCSB, were a late in their call, and that Ministers should change their language from “a hack” to “unauthorised access” does not add up.
1. The words have the same meaning. GCSB knew it wasn’t a hack, so why used unauthorised access for a “legitimate” search?
2. The time line still doesn’t add up. Why ring ministers to change language if they had already put out the press statements?
3. Ardern stated they didn’t change the language, because they were uncertain as to what they were dealing with. Porkies. Hooton summed it up yesterday on RNZ, if it had been a hack, and all involved knew it to be a hack, they would have released market sensitive information Tuesday night. But they didn’t, they waited 48 hours for the budget.

Also, if GCSB recommended a change of language, why did Mahklouf continue with the language of a “hack” on RNZ on the Wednesday morning?

The stories still don’t add up!

We are not getting the truth from Jacinda and the SSC enquiry will only give us what Treasury and GCSB did and when. Not what happened in the Beehive on the Tuesday evening.
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June 11, 2019 8:28am
- Tony Stuart
  
  And if the GCSB advice had reached Robertson after he put out a statement essentially accusing National of “a deliberate and systematic hack”, why did he not IMMEDIATELY withdraw his initial statement and issue a clarification AND apology?
  
  I wonder if anyone has thought to request Andrew Little’s phone records for Tuesday 28th May?
  
  https://fyi.org.nz/
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:34am
  - sooty
    
    Where will Cindy be today?
    
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    June 11, 2019 8:59am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Urgent kindy visit, or getting a pedicure?
      
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      June 11, 2019 9:14am
      - Overworked
        
        Refreshing the fillers and extensions.
        
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        June 11, 2019 2:57pm
    - MrTips
      
      Well, Little’s conveniently overseas. Nicely timed Andrew LOL!
      
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      June 11, 2019 9:27am
- lastmanstanding
  
  We are not going to get the truth from Ombler. He will release the prepared script already written by the spin doctors saying nothing to see here move on.
  
  Mahklouf has them by the short and curlies. If they dump on him he will release a transcript of the meetings and phone calls he was involved in to protect him new job at the IRB.
  
  More corruption from the corrupt COL this time including the corrupt civil service.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:38am
- kloyd0306
  
  The media are on to it – big time!
  
  Mmmmmmmm……………….?
  
  Not even close.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:49am
- MickMac
  
  It certainly looks like they are all liars….
  is it the lead from their leadership that encourages this?
  
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  June 11, 2019 10:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

Would someone who could raise $650,000 for a house deposit be considered a struggling first-home buyer and need a KiwiBuild house?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/391713/kiwibuild-pre-approved-applicants-list-raises-eligibility-questions

Labour for the well-off.
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June 11, 2019 8:30am
- Ian Boag
  
  When something like this happens it can be either a conspiracy or a cockup …..
  
  “Conspiracy” seems a bit of a stretch here
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:52am
  - freethinker
    
    You are right cock ups are standard fare for this Govt and conspiracies (true ones) reserved for senior ministers-treasury budget leak anyone?
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:35am
  - 453mm
    
    Conspiracies tend to require the ability to plan ahead.
    
    So yeah, cock-up.
    
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    June 11, 2019 1:16pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Twyford admitted some time ago that the intention of Kiwibuild had moved away from providing homes for low income New Zealanders.
  
  But even with these eligibility rules, no one seems to be buying Kiwibuild homes. There’s a whole batch in Christchurch on which not one single offer has yet been received, let alone any houses sold.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:57am
  - sooty
    
    Would be interesting to check the back ground for these people?
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:01am
  - freethinker
    
    King Kiwifail probably hasn’t heard of TradeMe which currently has 3894 houses for sale in ChCh/Selwyn & Waimakariri, and Phil is wondering why his ex Mike Greer couldn’t sell houses’t don’t sell at a higher price rebranded as KiwiBuild. I do wonder if Phil is Potty trained yet?
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:40am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW. it is all about keeping the supply up which National allowed to completly dry up including selling state houses.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:19am
  - Batman
    
    The supply did not “completely dry up”, rather demand grew beyond supply.
    
    I realise you’ll say that’s bullshit but it is a fact.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:03am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Err, putting those houses on the market added to the supply of houses for sale.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:06am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    National “sold” state houses to:
    a few tenants
    but mostly to “private” social housing providers.
    To ignore who the buyers were, is deliberate obfuscation.
    The tenants of these “private” social housing providers, were largely the same tenants as when the govt. owned them.
    So the service remained.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:30am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    The Kiwibuild woman on Red Radio this morning said it wasn’t about subsidising houses but about smoothing the process of building more of the required first homes to people who have enough money to pay. Asked why the free market couldn’t do that, she made lame excuses about the free market not delivering.
    
    Bull! If there are buyers, the free market will deliver.
    
    And taxpayers jolly well are subsidising this whole debacle: minister, bureaucrats, and now we’re sitting on unwanted houses.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:40am
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      “If there are buyers, the free market will deliver.”
      
      It would. However it is ruined by the performance and policies of local government.
      
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      June 11, 2019 4:22pm
  - srylands
    
    You should change your alias to “Hidden due to low comment rating”. More efficient.
    
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    June 11, 2019 4:21pm
- Rich Prick
  
  According to Radio NZ, Twyford will off-load houses to millionaires if they want one. Things must be getting desperate. Mind you, a cheap batch in Wanaka has some appeal.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:20am
  - sooty
    
    Nah! If you are a millionaire, would you live nextdoor to trailer trash!
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:46am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Oh God no. Which why Twyford can’t even off-load them to people who can afford them. I think the real problem is the stigma these little garageless breeding boxes have. The perception is that they are one up from a state house but still come with “affordable” neighbours.
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:10am
      - alex Masterley
        
        I have seen the places that are on offer in Wanaka.
        Soulless little hovels that affordable types would turn their noses up.
        I doubt the hospo workers of Wanaka would want to live in them either.
        
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        June 11, 2019 10:21am
      - srylands
        
        They don’t need garages. Cars are bad.
        
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        June 11, 2019 11:08am
      - sooty
        
        Captive workers. They catch the bus to a larger town once or twice a year to buy in bulk rather than the company store. Just like in the olden days.
        
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        June 11, 2019 12:20pm
- Lizziep
  
  Liebor have always been for the well off lefty brigade rather than the poor of this country. The poor do so much better under a National government, unfortunately they are not smart enough to see that. Liebor are full of it telling them they care etc but they don’t, never have never will.
  
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  June 12, 2019 11:45am
KiWombat

“NEWS FLASH”

Yesterday I was advised that the powers that be have delivered a large machine to the new Greymouth Hospital. Apparently it is all covered in plastic, so cannot yet be identified.

No beds yet, but lets hope the new machine is something greater than a refrigerator for the contractors on site !
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June 11, 2019 8:30am
- jp_1983
  
  Hospital Administrator: Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ‘ping!’. This is my favourite. You see, we lease this back from the company we sold it to – that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
  [The doctors and onlookers applaud.]
  
  Hospital Administrator: Thank you, thank you. We try to do our best. Well, do carry on.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:34am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Our Monty Python govt.
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:19am
- alloytoo
  
  It’s probably the Wilson parking pay machines.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:38am
  - sooty
    
    Oh, you jest!
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:02am
    - alloytoo
      
      No, I’ve been to Middlemore recently.
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:28am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Installed to collect the money, to pay for the rest of the hospital?
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:26am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      On second thought, it’s probably the trestle tables, for the cake stall.
      Have you seen any pre schoolers around, they will run the thing, because this CoL couldn’t.
      
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      June 11, 2019 12:53pm
    - chwaga
      
      No at Middlemore the car parks are owned by the Accident Compensation Commission and run by Wilson’s. I suspect the profits go to the ACC.
      
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      June 11, 2019 2:44pm
  - KiWombat
    
    I doubt it will be parking machines, they won’t be installed until after the election, if they manage to open the hospital before then !
    
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    June 11, 2019 11:43am
    - sooty
      
      Could always liven them up and charge the tradies. That would be Wilsons!
      
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      June 11, 2019 12:15pm
- MCos
  
  Greyhound Bus
  
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  June 11, 2019 10:11am
alloytoo

Hackville NZ.

The PM claims that the government (Well her and Robertson) only knew about the “Lack of Hack” after they went public with “Hack”

Little says he passed the GCSB’s “Lack of Hack” message on in a “timely” fashion.

He’s covering his arse and the GCSB in releasing their statement are covering theirs.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that Gabriel Makhlouf would jeopardise his reputation in such a reckless fashion, especially on the eve of taking on a new position in Ireland, by not advising Robertson et al of the “Lack of Hack” and adopting the “Hack” line in such a vehement manner after being advised otherwise by the GCSB.

Notwithstanding that the government allowed the “Hack” story to ferment long after they were advised of the “Lack of Hack”.

By all accounts Robertson et al have thrown
Gabriel Makhlouf to the wolves, Little will stick to his vague “Timely” in order to cover his arse.

Robertson and Ardern have a credibility gab about 36 hours long which they are desperately trying to fill in with the revised phraseology they adopted as part of their “Plausible deniability” insurance.

“Hack” was a hit job, ill conceived in the heat of the moment by a couple of operators (Robertson and Ardern) for whom “accountability” is French word and an alien concept.
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June 11, 2019 8:36am
- hullkiwi
  
  alloytoo, your conclusions are the same as mine (read above). It is almost a guarantee that Ardern considers it safe to spin her story to the media, but she will not do it in the house. So, on e again we’ll get a different version of the story this afternoon.
  
  To claim the GCSB call was after the press and Twitter releases is not credible. And then to suggest that they only recommended changing the language from “hack” to “unauthorised access” later on Tuesday, yet Makhlouf expanded his hacking analogy is resible.
  
  My pick is either she and Peters will not front this afternoon or we will be witness to contortions of the language to the extent they will be trying to deny they are swimming in the manure of a herd of passing bulls!
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:01am
- G152
  
  And dont forget Peters little lying foray into the debate
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:16am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Exactly, I am not expecting Peters to front in the house and “stand by all his public statements”. This given he claimed in an interview to have seen evidence that National had received information from “criminal” activity. And this was nearly 24 hours after GCSB had recommended government ministers “change the language” (Jacinda’s words RNZ Tuesday 11/06/2019).
    
    The more they spin, the more of a mess they get themselves into.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:20am
  - greybeard
    
    That seems to have been overlooked by a lot of commentators.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:28am
    - G152
      
      Must be accidentally..
      They’d -never- think to report a Peters statement as a truth ???????
      
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      June 11, 2019 10:55am
      - sooty
        
        Is he still in the islands?
        
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        June 11, 2019 12:13pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Or Mallard will run cover for Jacinda and Peters. If they attend, both of them will need all Winny’s experience in avoiding questions with honest & straight answers -which means they will not. So, Mallard is going to be forced to run protection.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:33am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Mallard still has to explain why he called a Parliament staffer a rapist.
      
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      June 11, 2019 11:34am
      - chwaga
        
        If the guy that was stood down was not a rapist does the mean that there still is a rapist walking the halls of parliment?
        
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        June 11, 2019 2:47pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  “The PM claims that the government (Well her and Robertson) only knew about the “Lack of Hack” after they went public with “Hack””
  Then have an old suggestion for our incompetent govt..
  Engage brain BEFORE putting mouth into gear.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:21am
infused

Stuff is so full of shit. These opionion pieces are garbage.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/113365664/this-much-is-clear-100-of-pollsters-have-got-no-idea
This guy has no clue, and I’m sure David would have something to say about pollsters having no idea.
But his argument that people didn’t agree with the way he handled the hack? Rubbish.
The TV3 poll was before the budget. The TV1 poll was after the budget. It’s pretty darn clear that Labour got a trashing over the budget. They were riding high before that.
The media in NZ are right behind Labour. That’s pretty evident over the last few weeks. I wonder if another merger is coming up. It would explain the boot licking.
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June 11, 2019 8:37am
Happychappy

It sounds like Labour and the Coalition are about to loosen the purse strings on Kiwibuild House’s with approved buyers saying they can raise $650,000.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/391713/kiwibuild-pre-approved-applicants-list-raises-eligibility-questions
Phil Twyford trying to rort the system again to cover up their incompetence.
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June 11, 2019 8:38am
BananaLlama

I don’t like Judith Collins and i don’t want to vote for her. She has as much chance of being PM as Simon Bridges ergo she needs to keep her face out of it.
Go to the other side of the building when Simon is giving an interview.
Keep your mouth shut after Bridges has given and interview.
She wont win the next election and is damaging the chance of winning this one.
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June 11, 2019 8:39am
- Lance
  
  Are you a National Party supporter?
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:11am
- Poppa
  
  That is your choice, but I quite like her & many people I speak to would far rather vote for her than Simon.
  
  I am yet to meet anyone who likes Simon & that is from mainly Nat voters
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:15am
  - tf78
    
    I’ve been to two of his meetings and I like him very much, so did the other 250 people that were at the gathering. I don’t think people should make their opinions by what the press puts out to the public.
    
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    June 11, 2019 11:30am
  - Alien
    
    I’m a national voter and don’t know anyone that will vote for national under Simon. Judith yes, but not him
    
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    June 11, 2019 12:00pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Stop mixing with loosers then.
      
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      June 11, 2019 12:43pm
      - Alien
        
        Simon bridge’s supporters?
        
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        June 11, 2019 3:05pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry Alien, good try but not good enough.
        
        When will you guys get the message. Simon Bridges is a good leader and will make a good PM however, I am not supporting him, I am supporting the National party and he is the leader.
        
        If you and others really want another 3 years of this bunch of misfitted liars then by all means, undermine him at every turn but remember, you are not just denigrating Simon Bridges you are denigrating the National party.
        
        If National decide to turn into labour lite and sacrifice the next election by responding to stupid assertions from jumped up nobodies called journos and start the “leader musical chairs game” then I may well reconsider my support for them because having the best policies but no way to get them implemented due to internal conflict then they are no bloody use to me.
        
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        June 11, 2019 4:17pm
      - Alien
        
        Bridges is a crap leader. He is awful in question time and has had so many scandals handed to him on a plate that he has failed to score any hits with. He was useless as a minister as well. You might think he will make a good pm, but every single poll shows different, he keeps slipping because the public just do not like him. If he goes into the next election As leader national will be in opposition another 3 years. You’re the one stuffing up national by failing to realise how bad of a leader bridges is. Maybe you prefer a leader that has scandals handled to him on a plate and is so bad at trying to get hits with them that the government turn those scandals around to make bridges look like an idiot.
        
        A small loud part of national are raving on that bridges is far better than he is, ignoring those that know he isn’t.
        
        If bridges is leader next year national have lost the election, and it will be because of the people who refuse to open their eyes and look at the fact he has accomplished nothing as leader when handed so many chances to take ministers and the pm and deputy pm down
        
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        June 11, 2019 7:44pm
    - tf78
      
      Alien – do yourself a favour and go and listen to him with an open mind and come back to me if you haven’t changed your mind.
      
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      June 11, 2019 6:49pm
  - Lizziep
    
    I did really like her but recent events have totally put me off.
    
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    June 12, 2019 11:48am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I do like her but I agree with the rest.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:37am
- RW Capitalist
  
  If you put the photos of all of National’s caucus
  Put them on a wall
  Blind folded yourself
  Threw a dart at the wall
  You would hit a candidate for more competent PM, than the one we have now.
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:42am
  - herb1
    
    even if you missed all caucus members , you’d still get a better candidate for PM than Winstons pick
    
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    June 11, 2019 11:52am
- BananaLlama
  
  For Poppa, Lance and others.
  
  I posted that i will be voting for National when they came out to support Don Brash after he was banned from Massey Universities Campus. That hasn’t changed despite Judith Collins wanting to ban everything and using the state to crush peoples private property.
  Maybe she could cosey up with the Greens some more and go lead their party. Her, Golriz and Swarbrick get along well together. That way i wouldn’t have to vomit if she is leading the National party at the next election and you could all vote for the Greens.
  
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  June 11, 2019 10:26am
  - Poppa
    
    Rest assured mate I will never vote for the loony greens. They are morons the whole lot of them
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:41am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I don’t like that she appears to have authoritarian leanings, and I suspect that her negatives with centre voters are too high to make her electable. But then again Simon is making little headway, and I suspect that is mostly due to his intractable lack of blokeyness. Need to get someone more relatable in leadership to pull in a few more points from centre voters.
  
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  June 11, 2019 1:37pm
- MCos
  
  I think Simon Bridges’ problem is he always sounds like he’s playing catch-up.
  He doesn’t sound like a winner on TV which is where most people see him.
  Neither did all those Labour leaders between Autie Helen & Jacinda Ardern.
  
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  June 11, 2019 4:19pm
BrownSnake

Did you hear the one about the Naturalist Socialist Sheep Farmer?
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June 11, 2019 8:48am
- RW Capitalist
  
  He has a firm grip on the back end of the iss- ewe?
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m sure Gizzy’s naturalist sheep farmer (and Arboretum creator) wasn’t a socialist.
  Neighbouring farmers considered him eccentric, not only for his plantings but also because he was a nudist who enjoyed gardening without the encumbrance of clothes.
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/4c31/cook-william-douglas
  
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  June 11, 2019 9:53am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The naturist naturalist.
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:46am
Maggie Pie

My partners mum is hoping to turn her artistic ability into a lucrative sideline –

“Old Paintings Modernised”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8E3HpwWsAMbnK4?format=jpg&name=small

[Countdown’s head office have already shown considerable interest for in-store display.]
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June 11, 2019 9:03am
- Inandout
  
  MP, when I think of Countdown now I think of ‘sanitiser’. I can picture the day when every Countdown store has a greeter at the door with a spray bottle of 99% germ killer to cleanse unsavoury customers.
  
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  June 11, 2019 10:24am
  - alloytoo
    
    They will just build a mist sanitiser into the entrance arch (Like they use on marathons)
    
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    June 11, 2019 10:45am
    - sooty
      
      Or they could just turn them away!
      
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      June 11, 2019 12:08pm
Maggie Pie

Interesting that ‘KDC’ didn’t bother to show up in Court yesterday – i thort he loved the cameras? Lawyer wife Liz was there as part of the defense team, so that should save him on legal fees.
Im not sure what he’s hinting at with this latest tweet – my partner reckons it sounds like some sort of conspiracy theory:

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1138133471430266882
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June 11, 2019 10:41am
- sooty
  
  He’s just expecting payback from all the Labour toadies that went to the mansion.
  
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  June 11, 2019 12:07pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Winston went there to sooty and his hate for John Key was corrosive at the time so you could bet your bottom dollar that promise went with it in his talks with the fat craut.
    
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    June 11, 2019 12:21pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  My theory: KDC isn’t very ambulatory, and no valet parking at court. Also might not be allowed to eat in court.
  
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  June 11, 2019 12:46pm
MH

I asked jacinda is there anything she’d like to get off her chest.
the answer was “Neve”
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June 11, 2019 10:52am
MH

meanwhile 1 million Hong Kongers take to the streets to protest the PRC’s attempts to stiffle democracy by extraditing trouble makers. Sure we’ll help…
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June 11, 2019 11:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

First Question of the Day to the Minister in Charge of the GCSB
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-11-june-2019/
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June 11, 2019 11:42am
- Alien
  
  Last question looks interesting too
  
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  June 11, 2019 11:56am
- Tall Man
  
  And he is away so the answer will be avoided or “addressed” to the satisfaction of a “duck”.
  
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  June 11, 2019 12:07pm
Swifty

A blast from the past. A post from nearly ten years ago regarding the Harris family and benefit bludgery:

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/12/meet_the_bludgers.html

Now that Labour have relaxed benefit eligibility rules, I’m sure the Harris family and others will be sleeping better at night.

Interesting too to see who is/isn’t still posting here.
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June 11, 2019 12:20pm
artemisia

The Herald is reporting today a crisis in housing for refugees. Nearly half of the 1000 refugees at the Mangere resettlement centre have been there long after the 6 week programme as there are no rentals – state or private – for them to move to. Bit of a worry as more keep arriving …

Such a surprise as the current government is so very friendly to landlords that they are pouring into the rental sector. Ok, maybe not.

Chickens roosting.
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June 11, 2019 12:53pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Chickens roosting”
  
  We have chickens as refugees?
  
  How stupid can this government.
  
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  June 11, 2019 1:47pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Not stupid, these chickens lay the golden eggs that keep on voting labour. Political clientalism 101
    
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    June 11, 2019 2:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Good point.
      
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      June 11, 2019 2:55pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  This why there was once an orderly immigration program. Perhaps KiwiBuild Wanaka could help out.
  
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  June 11, 2019 3:31pm
- srylands
  
  In places like Auckland or Wellington, you are seriously in trouble of you are ‘disadvantaged’ and looking for a private rental. Single mum. No. Refugee. No. Indian. No. Just off the boat. No. Tattoos. No. Young children. No. Pets. No.
  
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  June 11, 2019 4:27pm
Happychappy

Mark Mitchell to the Government how does 20 billion defence spending fit in with a Wellbeing Budget.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/national-questions-how-20-billion-defence-spend-is-wellbeing.html
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June 11, 2019 1:04pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Mark Mitchell is being typically devious. Lining up with Peace Movement Aotearoa to attack defence spending on the same days he insists we should keep troops in Iraq forever.
  
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  June 11, 2019 2:15pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Not as devious as your beloved Leader milky.
    
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    June 11, 2019 4:05pm
  - Martin Williams
    
    Mark Mitchell has to be the most untrustworthy person in parliament, and that is saying something!
    
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    June 11, 2019 5:16pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Martin Williams has to be the most biased lefty hack on Kiwiblog, and that is saying something.
      
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      June 11, 2019 5:27pm
secondcumming

Incredible to read where China has nearly *500* aspiring electric car makers (more than triple the number of 2 years ago) all looking to manufacture for their domestic car market.

Obviously the barriers to entry can’t be very high 😎
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June 11, 2019 1:30pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Obviously the barriers to entry can’t be very high”
  
  Neither are the safety ratings.
  
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  June 11, 2019 2:53pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Speaking of electric cars, I see Audi are recalling all the E-tron electric cars they’ve sold in the USA so far because they have a tendency to burst into flames.
    Oh dear!
    
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    June 11, 2019 5:13pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4oydSZTAns
Be careful, on this blog, that you are not the subject of her next poem.
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June 11, 2019 1:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I had no idea she knew Hubby so well.
  
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  June 11, 2019 2:04pm
Happychappy

When will Henry Cooke and Stuff get it in their heads there was nothing illegal done in accessing information from the budget.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113388459/ssc-inquiry-into-bungled-budget-document-incident-wont-assess-legal-liability
Labours cheer leader want to pass the blame
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June 11, 2019 1:55pm
- Tall Man
  
  Perhaps they are dumb enough to only know something when it’s been on the “telly”.
  
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  June 11, 2019 2:49pm
  - sooty
    
    Cindy, does!
    
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    June 11, 2019 5:02pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  When will Henry Cooke and Stuff get it in their heads there was nothing illegal done in accessing information from the budget.
  
  When the case is pursued through the courts and the legality or illegality of the data breach is established. Until then, it’s a matter of opinion.
  
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  June 11, 2019 4:52pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There won’t be any court case over this.
    
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    June 11, 2019 5:39pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I’m OK with calling it “never”, in that case. According to Newshub’s poll, most NZers are capable of figuring out that data theft is wrong, even if most Nat supporters aren’t.
      
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      June 11, 2019 6:46pm
oob

Bridges’ questioning of Ardern in the House today was pathetic.

Labour are extremely exposed over the Budget scandal yet he failed to land a blow. If his intention was to play the long game by getting Ardern to make answer in the House that would later prove untrue (and that is a stretch) it’s a poor strategy.

I like the kid but this performance isn’t good enough.
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June 11, 2019 2:35pm
- Tall Man
  
  Link. For some reason my old laptop won’t get the video working and the cat destroyed the cable on the new one……..
  
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  June 11, 2019 3:02pm
  - noskire
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=207110
    
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    June 11, 2019 3:10pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Tall Man try this
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12239372
    
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    June 11, 2019 3:11pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Thanks but $2.50…. do you think I’m made of money 🙂
      
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      June 11, 2019 3:22pm
- Alien
  
  Incredibly weak on both questions. Labour can breathe easily, once again bridges fails to get hits on what should of been easy hits.
  
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  June 11, 2019 3:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And i do wish Simon would stop buttoning and unbuttoning his suit jacket every time he stands to ask a question – it is soooo distracting!
    As my partners mum said, “thank goodness trousers have zips these days rather than flys”.
    
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    June 11, 2019 3:33pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Maggie Pie..
      please stop….
      I’ve got tea to make and your visuals are disturbing me.
      
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      June 11, 2019 4:26pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        wot U havin’ Maggs?
        i just been up and got us Thai takeaways….84 bucks!
        theiving b~~tards 🙁
        
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        June 11, 2019 5:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Lordy, are you feeding a tribe?
        
        Just filled the old man up on a stodge load of cheap gnocchi… loaded down with ricotta, cream, butter, tomatoes, onions, celery & silverbeet.
        He’s gone back for seconds… (he hasn’t got my sophisticated palate).
        
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        June 11, 2019 6:35pm
  - oob
    
    Alien you regularly make the grammatical mistake “should of” when you mean “should have.”
    
    Do yourself a favour and fix it.
    
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    June 11, 2019 6:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  Watched bull shitter jones for 2 minutes. More than enough to last me a lifetime and I see they’re still pushing the “hacking” line.
  
  It’s very disappointing when you see clear evidence that a minister of the crown is as dumb as psycho.
  
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  June 11, 2019 3:29pm
  - Alien
    
    Yeah, but national failed to shut down the word hacking. Sound bites of ministers calling it hacking is all the need to make the lefties continue to think it was a hack.
    
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    June 11, 2019 4:09pm
    - Martin Williams
      
      It was a hack.
      
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      June 11, 2019 8:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sure, you guys keep telling yourselves that.
        You realise you’re making yourselves look stupid?
        Lol
        Say, what about that gap from Tuesday night to Thursday morning between Ardern, Robertson and Peters knowing it wasn’t a hack and not correcting the record…
        #DirtyPolitics
        
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        June 11, 2019 9:38pm
- The Feed
  
  Those questions were a convoluted mess. I know this story, yet Simon was making me question it.
  
  Brilliant.
  
  Stop talking like a lawyer, mate.
  
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  June 11, 2019 3:51pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Wow, what a hiding she gave him. Given the circumstances (ie, National either demonstrated an astonishing lack of integrity or outright committed a crime, depending on how you interpret the Crimes Act), you have to wonder why they think it’s a good idea to keep raising the matter in the House. A hiding is guaranteed every time.
  
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  June 11, 2019 5:03pm
  - Martin Williams
    
    Yep. They’d be advised to drop this strategy fast. It is now causing real damage – to themselves!
    
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    June 11, 2019 8:22pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/391751/auckland-council-declares-climate-emergency

Auckland council declares climate emergency. Sea level rising at 1-2mm a year and climate = same as Whangerei 100 years ago. Hlep hlep we iz al gunna dieee!!!
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June 11, 2019 2:36pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I really hope they all freeze to death in the coming cool period. Morons.
  
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  June 11, 2019 3:00pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Hawkes Bay Regiounal Council about to jump on same bandwagon. No left wing fashionable cause to be missed out on.
  
  More excuses for troughing and overseas junkets with less than nothing to show for them…
  
  Local government is a democratic failure – with no interest or engagement from majority it is being hijacked by nutty fringe groups who get out and vote. We need some way of ensuring proper representation (polling on initiatives?) or it needs to become a civil administered roll that only does core services.
  
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  June 11, 2019 4:22pm
- Doctor Who
  
  Check your SLR data.
  
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  June 11, 2019 8:39pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Sure
    Here you go
    690-002 Auckland II, New Zealand
    ‘The relative sea level trend is 1.29 millimeters/year with a 95% confidence
    interval of +/- 0.2 mm/yr’
    https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=690-002
    
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    June 11, 2019 9:31pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Speaking of Sea Level rise
      Looks verrrry tricky
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rEDZiwjGlgU
      
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      June 11, 2019 9:41pm
MH

word of the day from I think I heard it from The Chase..unicameralism. No diatribes pls.To be said in moderation.
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June 11, 2019 3:12pm
Inandout

Phil Goff’s councilors have declared a Technology Emergency, where cellphones and computers are banned from meetings.
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June 11, 2019 3:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Be better if NZ Govt banned all Councilors from meetings and had management over Auckland.
  Oh no, wait, that is not good
  
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  June 11, 2019 5:34pm
noskire

Latest press release from the Labour Party: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FafVtHWn4X8
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June 11, 2019 3:18pm
Johnboy

Oh dear dear dear Maggie!
When I told you it was a slum you poo hooed me! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/113384703/tapu-te-ranga-marae-fire-potting-shed-the-only-structure-with-consent
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June 11, 2019 5:03pm
- Johnboy
  
  I do suspect a wee tad of building inspectors wot were scared off by tangata whenua/cultural cringe will creep into the picture here! 🙂
  
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  June 11, 2019 5:08pm
  - Johnboy
    
    The appropriate word for these sort of chaps is of course..”creep” 🙂
    
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    June 11, 2019 5:10pm
    - Colville
      
      Johnboy.
      
      funny aint it how the council ticked them off as able to rent the place out as accommodation without a consent or code compliance ever being issued.
      
      No racism there tho!
      
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      June 11, 2019 6:14pm
      - Johnboy
        
        You try and open a B&B though mate! 🙂
        Still if you could recite your whakapapa it may help mate! 🙂
        
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        June 11, 2019 6:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ah Johnboy,
  I’ve just donned my hairshirt and am prostrating myself on the floor wondering how I can grease up to David Garrett with an abject apology.
  
  I’d like to say I’m mortified, but of course I’m not.
  
  You did note that the Potting Shed had a consent tho’…..that would have been organised by the Planting Group – Manawa Karioi – I used to lead.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/113384703/tapu-te-ranga-marae-fire-potting-shed-the-only-structure-with-consent
  
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  June 11, 2019 6:02pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Oh what a silly old lady you have become Maggie!
    And long before your time if you became potty that long ago darling. 🙂
    
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    June 11, 2019 6:25pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Lets be honest. The place was a shithole. It was built out of crap. The council turned a blind eye so as not to offend the Murri. The fire brigade did the same so as not to offend the murri. The little boyscouts that were there to get their murritanga badges were very lucky not to become a murri feast.
      All were very lucky, Bruce the most cause he’s dead! 🙂
      
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      June 11, 2019 6:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Well that does appear to be a fair summary…and seems to be in complete accord with the response I received from D.G. after I sent him a grovelling apology.
        
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        June 11, 2019 8:06pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: When will the government JUST ALLOW affordable new housing to be built … by sorting out land supply / urban limits abolition and infrastructure financing as promised (refer http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org for extensive background information) ? …

The embarrassing and politically destructive Kiwibuild circus … continues … watch all videos …

Latest KiwiBuild development revealed for Auckland, as poll shows Kiwis still back the concept | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/latest-kiwibuild-development-revealed-auckland-poll-shows-kiwis-still-back-concept
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What was a crisis … is now a disaster …

Conditions ‘utterly unsatisfactory’ at Auckland caravan park that booted John Campbell – Twyford … TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/conditions-utterly-unsatisfactory-auckland-caravan-park-booted-john-campbell-twyford
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… and the public is losing patience … as the latest TV One Colmar Brunton poll illustrates …

National back in front while Labour takes a dive in latest 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton Poll | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/national-back-in-front-while-labour-takes-dive-latest-1-news-colmar-brunton-poll
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Housing & Urban development Minister Phil Twyford knows exactly what needs to be done … as he explained late March …

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

… extract …

… In our view there are three big challenges that have to be addressed:

1. A broken system for financing infrastructure

2. A planning system based on urban containment

3. The failure of governments until now, both local and central, to actively work with the private sector to enable urban growth and expansion.

… concluding …

… I talked about the land banking and speculative economy, and the pressure cooker that has given us some of the most obscenely expensive housing in the world.

These moves are designed to change that. …

… If we do these things we can truly flood the market with development opportunities. We can break the land banking economy, and drive down the cost of urban land.

We can achieve more competitive urban land markets. And industry that is more focused on development and building places of enduring value instead of land banking and speculation.

That is the pathway to more affordable housing, and a systemic fix of the crisis that has caused so much hardship, and sucked so much of our national wealth into residential property instead of the productive economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Question No. 2—Prime Minister
2. Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Leader of the Opposition) to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all her Government’s statements and actions in relation to the alleged unauthorised access of Budget 2019 material?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister): Yes, in the context in which they were made and given.

Hon Simon Bridges: Why has she over the last 24 hours variously said that GCSB advised Minister Little that there was no hack, or to that effect, at 9 p.m. on the Tuesday—several hours later—and what did she say the exact time is?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: The same as what has been relayed, as has just been advised by Minister Little—at least on his behalf—that contact was made close to around 9 p.m. with Minister Little’s office and that he had a direct conversation sometime thereafter. He was in a meeting at the time and there was a delay. So I think you’ll find I said it was a couple of hours; it might have been maybe an hour and 45.

Hon Simon Bridges: When were she and Grant Robertson told the dispute wasn’t a hack, and who specifically told them?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: As Minister Little has advised—or at least on his behalf—his office was advised at close to 9 p.m. At about that same time, the chief executive of DPMC also made contact with the GCSB, and I was advised thereafter in close proximity. Then, contact was made, from that point, with various Ministers who needed to be kept informed, including Minister Robertson.

Hon Simon Bridges: So to be clear, did she know from 9 p.m. or thereabouts, on the Tuesday of the GCSB’s quite different position to the press releases of Treasury and Minister Robertson?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: This is not new information. As we have pointed out a number of times, at the time that the statement went out by both the Secretary to the Treasury and then, subsequently, the statement by the Minister of Finance, no Minister had been advised of the GCSB’s views around the use of the word “hack” versus “unauthorised access”. We were advised around 9 p.m. that night that they would prefer the use of the word “unauthorised access”. To be clear, we still did not know what had occurred and we did not know who was responsible. I note that the member asking the question knew the answers to both of those questions. He, however, chose not to say anything until Thursday morning.

Hon Simon Bridges: What did she know about the releases sent out by Treasury and Grant Robertson before they were sent out?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: As I’ve said already and as is on record, after the Secretary to the Treasury briefed the Minister of Finance, I was informed of the briefing. That was probably about 7.25. I did not know the exact content of the statement, but I only assumed it was similar to the briefing itself. So I actually saw neither statement, but I knew that both were based on the briefings that had been received.

Hon Simon Bridges: Did she know that they—that is, Treasury, and repeated in Minister Robertson’s statement—alleged that there was sufficient evidence that the material obtained by the Opposition was obtained by “deliberate and systematic hacking”?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: As has been relayed several times now, that was the information that was provided to the Minister of Finance, and that was the belief of the Secretary to the Treasury. As the member well knows, that’s now the subject of a State Services Commission investigation. They’re looking into those very matters, but, yes, that was the information provided to us at that time. We did not know who was responsible. I note that the member will have known that.

Rt Hon Winston Peters: Having regard to the primary question, which mentions her Government’s statements and actions, is she aware that section 252 of the Crimes Act states that a crime is committed if someone “intentionally accesses, … any computer system without authorisation,” and either knows that they are not authorised to access that computer system or are reckless as to whether they are authorised to do so? [Interruption] That’s the fact of the matter.

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Yes, I am advised that that is the advice that is given when someone is able to gain unauthorised access, and, of course, that is the language that we were advised at that time. In fact, I can recall a time in Opposition when it was brought to our attention that unauthorised access to information was able to be gained via the Ministry of Justice website. When that was brought to then member Clare Curran’s attention, she took it directly to the then Minister Judith Collins. But I just relay that as a form of comparison.

Hon Simon Bridges: Does she think using a search bar is “unauthorised access” or “an attack”, as she and her Ministers said repeatedly the Wednesday after she knew that wasn’t so?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I think you’ll find the language that we used was around unauthorised access, because, again, that was the advice that we were provided. Again, I note the member is taking that particular language quite personally. The member needs to remember that at that time, we did not, in fact, know it was him who was responsible.

Hon Simon Bridges: Does she stand by her statements, made several times today, that on Tuesday, throughout the evening, she and her Ministers “had absolutely no idea what happened”?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Yes, we certainly were asking a number of questions, because we had been advised it was unauthorised access. Of course that led us to ask questions, but we did not know who was responsible or exactly how access was gained. That was something that we were advised of on Wednesday and then on Thursday, when the member himself confirmed it was the National Party.

Rt Hon Winston Peters: Arising from the Prime Minister’s answer about an example of what to do, is she aware that in Budget week, a political party was given the information about the National Party’s spending, but rather than do it, sent it back to them?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, I think you’ll find there will be a range of different responses from different members or political parties, and each of us holds our own responsibility with how we deal with those situations. I know the member argues he acted in a completely appropriate way. That’s his call, not mine.

Hon Simon Bridges: Why does she believe her Government put out releases alleging “deliberate and systematic hacking” when from the top down it had “no idea what happened”, as she confirmed today, and, in fact, by 9 p.m. that evening, it knew that wasn’t true?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, as I’ve said many times, the Secretary to the Treasury briefed that there had been a systematic hack. That was the information provided both to the Minister of Finance and to myself. The Minister of Finance, as you can imagine after Treasury put out a statement, was asked a number of questions by the media. He put out simply a statement using the language and the references made by Treasury because that was the information that we had.

Hon Simon Bridges: Why all of the next day, the Wednesday, when she and her Ministers knew what the GCSB had told them—that is, they didn’t believe there was hacking—didn’t they, that is, her Government, publicly correct that allegation of hacking?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Again, we followed the advice we were given and used the word “unauthorised access”. Again, we still, at that point, did not know who was responsible. I know the member saw it as an allegation against him; we didn’t necessarily see it that way at the time. But, again, we did use the word “unauthorised access”. That’s, at least, certainly my recollection.

Hon Simon Bridges: Didn’t her Government sit on a fundamental mistruth all of Wednesday?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: No, but again, I do raise that the member opposite actually knew the full story and could have enlightened all of us at any time.

Hon Simon Bridges: Didn’t she know there was no criminal hacking and yet did nothing?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: No. In fact, as I’ve said, we did not know whether or not the unauthorised access was legal or illegal. It was still a matter for the police, and that is where we left it. As the member will well know, when issues are referred to the police they do tend to be things that you then don’t comment on beyond that point.

Hon Simon Bridges: Instead of changing her language why didn’t she do the right thing and publicly make clear there was no criminal hacking?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Because—actually the member has just used the word “criminal”; we did not know whether what had occurred was criminal or not. We simply did not have that advice. Had we spoken to the police, that would have been direct interference in an operational issue. That member would have had a lot to say about that if we did. We waited for the police to conclude their work. I would acknowledge this is the first time the member’s had a chance to question me about the Budget and I note his priority is that this is the only thing that he thinks matters to members of New Zealand. Again, these are all political calls and, clearly, this is his one and I wish him well.

Hon Simon Bridges: Does she not like answering questions about incredibly false impressions she and her Government left?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Absolutely not. I just thought the member might like to listen to New Zealanders and where their interests lay. I was just trying to give him a little helpful tip.

Hon Simon Bridges: In light of the fact that, on Wednesday, the Treasury secretary continued to talk publicly of deliberate and systematic hacking and the Deputy Prime Minister that afternoon said National had done illegal activity, shouldn’t she, or one of her Ministers, have corrected the incredibly false impression they left all of that day and into the next?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: We did not know whether or not a criminal act had occurred. Again, including the fact, as I said in the House that day, we were making no accusations over who was involved. Secondly, the State Services Commission is looking into the issue around the agencies, and I’ll leave that for them.

Hon Simon Bridges: When did she find out that the police had found no wrongdoing?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: That was Wednesday evening, I believe. From recollection it was around early evening-ish, sometime after 6 p.m., I believe.

Rt Hon Winston Peters: In the Prime Minister’s view, would 2,000 hits on the same website in one day look like an accident?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Certainly, that was one of the things that the Secretary to the Treasury brought to the table. I think that was the basis on which he used the word “systematic”. Again, we’re leaving that for the State Services Commission.

Hon Simon Bridges: In the week before the Budget would it be so unusual to see 2,000 hits on a very popular website?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: As the member well knows, the Budget actually hadn’t been released at that point, and that’s probably the point, isn’t it?

Hon Simon Bridges: Why is it that on the Tuesday, having found out information, her senior Minister Grant Robertson could put a press release out a bit after 8 p.m., but when she found out the police had found no wrongdoing, at around 7 p.m. on the Wednesday, she didn’t think to correct the fundamentally misleading position she left New Zealand with about the National Party?

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: As I said the day after on Wednesday, we were not making an accusation about the National Party. We did not know that the National Party was responsible. As it turns out, they were.
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June 11, 2019 8:32pm
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  From RNZ
  ‘David Parker answered questions on behalf of minister responsible for the GCSB Andrew Little, giving a clear timeline of the events surrounding Hack-gate.
  
  8:02pm – Treasury issued its press release advising there had been a deliberate and systemic hack and it had referred this to police
  8:43pm – Mr Little’s office first spoke to the GCSB
  9:43pm – Mr Little spoke to the GCSB
  9:52 pm – Mr Little contacted the prime minister’s office
  10:25pm – Mr Little contacted Finance Minister Grant Robertson via text message
  This means that the prime minister and the finance minister were told there was no “hack” two hours after statements were issued that said the Budget information released by National was obtained in that way.’
  
  Labour never corrected the record immediately they heard this.
  They knew…
  #DirtyPolitics
  
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