General Debate 4 May 2019

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burt

May the 4th be with you.
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May 4, 2019 8:04am
- Tall Man
  
  Thanksth
  
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  May 4, 2019 4:35pm
srylands

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I would like to congratulate the Prime Minister on the occasion of her engagement.
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May 4, 2019 8:05am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The Mangey Stupid Mediumsluts thank them both from the bottom of their paycheques
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:18am
- Nukuleka
  
  I don’t really get all this ‘engagement’ thing when a couple have been living together for a considerable length of time and already have a baby. Why bother with an ‘engagement’? The traditional rites of passage- courtship, engagement, marriage, children have a logical and socially responsible pattern.
  
  Isn’t the engagement period a time when a couple gets to deepen their relationship and see whether they could indeed commit to a life time together and take on the responsibility of a family?
  
  All very topsy turvy imho.
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:32am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, and statistically, couples who do it the wrong way round tend to have their marriages fail and then break up.
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:46am
  - MickMac
    
    Nuk
    I concur.
    But wish them the very very best as a family and couple.
    especially Neve and any other progeny, may they grow up to be well adjusted individuals and contribute greatly to society.
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:04am
    - cut n paster
      
      I look forward to watching it fall apart as publicly as it was created.
      
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      May 4, 2019 10:39am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      With 2 egocentric parents, that’s gonna be an uphill battle.
      
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      May 4, 2019 12:01pm
    - Dave Winefield
      
      The only reason for the planned Nuptials is to improve election chances with the Wokeys, who have the intellectual strength of soggy paper.
      
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      May 4, 2019 2:19pm
    - toby1845
      
      MickMac: given how maladjusted her parents are, and how little they actually contribute (as distinct from taking), that is probably a forlorn hope.
      
      I guess we will see.
      
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      May 4, 2019 2:27pm
  - MrsAnnie
    
    They are a media couple, its a media event aimed at maximum attention.
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:21am
- kowtow
  
  I would like to congratulate stuff for using the occasion of her engagement for political purposes to promote her at the expense of the opposition.
  
  Our media are fair and balanced and we’re well served by them ………(sarc)
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Dear Folks,
  when you became engaged to your loved one, did you blend your first names?
  
  Clarinda or Jarke?’: New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern and Clarke Gayford engaged.
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/03/new-zealand-pm-jacinda-ardern-gets-engaged-clarke-gayford
  
  disclosure: Caggy & Mon
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:24am
- 3-coil
  
  Bridesmaids : H1 + H2 ?
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:01am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    Grant Robertson and Tamati Coffey.
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:18am
    - sooty
      
      Which one would wear the dress?
      
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      May 4, 2019 5:20pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Likewise. It is an honourable commitment and celebration of a new family.
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:28am
- toby1845
  
  A genuine question: will Neve become legitimate when her parents get married? or does her (Neve’s) having been born out of wedlock mean she remains illegitimate?
  
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  May 4, 2019 2:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, if you want to time-travel back to 1908…
    you would discover that her birth could be legitimated
    http://www.enzs.auckland.ac.nz/docs/1908/1908C102.pdf
    
    But since illegitimacy has been off NZ’s Statute Books since 1969, there is no need for such nonsense.
    
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    May 4, 2019 3:22pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Illegitimate. But everyone has one in their family in rural NZ.
    
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    May 4, 2019 3:35pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Well, if you want to time-travel back to 1908…
    
    No need – judging by his comment, toby1845 has his birth year in his handle.
    
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    May 4, 2019 4:45pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m pretty sure that the taunts of ‘first bastard’ flung at this baby on this forum and others have been the deciding factor for Ardern and Gayford to make this formal commitment.
      
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      May 4, 2019 5:44pm
      - sooty
        
        Yer dreaming there boy!
        
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        May 4, 2019 7:31pm
      - srylands
        
        Bullshit. I recall one person here saying that.
        
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        May 4, 2019 8:06pm
Gravelroad

Watched the Crusaders v Sharks game last night.
Was surprised at the fulsome praise heaped on the Sharks, who IMO, played a negative, boring game based on disruptive defence with no attacking flair at all.
The Crusaders scored three converted tries.
The Sharks had a good penalty goal kicker. That’s all.
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May 4, 2019 8:07am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The Sharks did little on attack, but they found a way to get in the Crusaders’ faces and disrupt them. I am sure plenty of Super Rugby coaches will be watching the video of that match.
  
  The Crusaders, even with key players being rested, did not respond especially well to the pressure exerted on them, and sometime in the future, the high penalty count against them will cost them. They need to work on their discipline.
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:30am
  - pdm
    
    Interesting to hear Kieran Read commenting on the referee this morning. He doesn’t do that often so there must have been something there.
    
    Not sure why he was interviewed and quoted when Matt Todd was the team Captain.
    
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    May 4, 2019 8:41am
    - Colville
      
      One of the ‘saders was bundled into touch 1M out from the line by an offside player. Penalty but no pentaly try was just one of the bizzare calls against the ‘saders.
      
      But the ‘saders were poor. Mentaly strong they came back a little too late tho.
      
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      May 4, 2019 10:24am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sure, the Crusaders very seldom lose, or draw, so when that happens ‘there must have been something there’ regarding the ref.
      ??????
      
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      May 4, 2019 10:48am
      - Tall Man
        
        So, you didn’t watch but still feel like chucking out a cheap insult.
        
        I suppose that’s your best work but keep in mind that the vast majority of people on this blog are not and never will be crusader’s fans but are capable of commenting on the referee.
        
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        May 4, 2019 12:58pm
- artemisia
  
  ‘Fulsome’ is one of those weird English words that can mean very good or very bad. Good as in lots of. Bad as in way OTT to the point of being not good at all, even offensive. Seems to be used more as ‘good’ nowadays but can still be confusing.
  
  The phrase ‘fulsome praise’ can be used either way.
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:30am
- trout
  
  If SA take Bosch to the World Cup the AB’s could have a problem. Erratic refereeing can present many goal kicking opportunities and he is amazing. Shades of Johnny Wilkinson.
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:00am
mikenmildagain

Also World Naked Gardening Day, International Firefighters’ Day, and Dave Brubeck Day

[Mod: Just for clarity, we DON’T require a photo of you observing the first “celebration” on the list!]
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May 4, 2019 8:10am
- BrownSnake
  
  Naked Sheep Farming is what you lefties in NZ are about isn’t it?
  
  So maybe stick the Topics you love and adore you
  creepy little commo
  
  Rewi Alley the worlds first NAKED SHEEP FARMER
  
  The commos in NZ and the world over love him
  
  Look it up – look up the Pics of that Famous
  NZ Socialist who industrialised China prancing around his
  SHEEP FARM STARKERS they do exist get them before Jacinda bans them
  
  I bet the sheep learned how to run fast
  that is probably why he defected and went to china
  
  Sheep that run slower of maybe something else?
  
  What do you think?
  
  Replace the ole Sheep Fetish with something else
  like a creepy little scum bag Commo he was
  
  here is another creepy commo for a creepy commo
  like you to study
  
  Did they have a mould and mass produce them to mass murder back then or what? Do tell us
  Commo – they all have so much in common
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda
  
  This scum bag and Rewi Alley have so much in common
  
  A fine upstanding Communist
  <
  It was discovered that Yagoda's two Moscow apartments and his dacha contained 3,904 pornographic photos, 11 pornographic films, 165 pornographically carved pipes, one dildo, and the two bullets that killed Zinoviev and Kamenev.[22]
  
  Have a nice Day in Commo Land
  
  Same Moustache as Hitler responsible for more deaths and executions hmmmmm and we
  never hear about him
  
  Why is that? could you speculate?
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:34am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m adding ‘creepy little commo’ to the list of epithets permissible under the Kiwiblog rules.
    But, just for the record and going somewhat against my rule of not disclosing personal details, I can confirm that I am not a creep, small, or a communist.
    
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    May 4, 2019 12:45pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      It seems that genuinely unhinged comments have a little more leeway, nobody takes them seriously anyway.
      
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      May 4, 2019 5:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  What about a photo of someone dowsing a garden fire while naked and listening to jazz?
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:49am
  - sooty
    
    We don’t need a selfie, either!
    
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    May 4, 2019 7:33pm
Lee C

The press seek clarification from Bridges about whether he trusts Judith Collins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_vv4Vk_vco

The stuff reckon Jacinda’s engagement is the death-knell for National re-election. I think it will be the resurrection as people get sick of the over-exposure. I think this announcement was a strategic mistake by Ardern.

But time will tell…
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May 4, 2019 8:11am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  How would getting married be a ‘strategic’ mistake?
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Some of us have been married more than once mikenmild. The end of a marriage has a significant effect on one’s strategy going forward, not to mention the consequences to the budget!
    
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    May 4, 2019 8:19am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, ending a marriage is often difficult and financially deleterious, but not too many people would regard getting married as a ‘strategic’ mistake. It seems to me that marriages should be celebrated unless one has such intimate knowledge of the persons involved that one considers a disaster will ensue.
      
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      May 4, 2019 10:53am
  - MrTips
    
    When the public suspects, and the media confirm via acolytes like Tracey Watkins, that Jacinda’s personal life is a political weapon and the only one they’ve got to hide their ever multiplying stuff ups.
    
    JAG, Hopkins and others have had babies, marriages whatever. Only Socialist Cindy’s life is elevated to Labour policy.
    
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    May 4, 2019 8:21am
    - Tricati
      
      Call me a cynic, but to announce engagement on the day they ‘didn’t’ go into Pike River mine is a little curious. With all the pre-entry hype and now some carefully scripted back tracking, this maybe another promise broken
      
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      May 4, 2019 9:21am
    - stephieboy
      
      Mr Tips would have also in mind the thrice-divorced the US President?
      
      Some would argue that it positively enriched his life!
      
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      May 4, 2019 9:21am
      - MrTips
        
        Stephie: Trump’s performance to get the USA economy going has hit left wing supporters like you so hard you’ve all got DowJonesSyndrome.™
        
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        May 4, 2019 10:16am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I don’t hold his divorces against Trump, and to be fair he hasn’t used his marriages or divorces in a political way.
        
        That Stuff saw fit to comment on the positive political effect of Jacinda’s decision says it all really. We’ll have to see but I’d bet that the wedding and its attendant “newsworthiness” will be carefully planned to make the maximum political capital out of it. And for that I have little but disgust.
        
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        May 4, 2019 5:47pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I, for one, can answer that for you and, I am sure there are many others here who can as well.
    
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    May 4, 2019 8:21am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Civil union I would imagine, much more woke.
    
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    May 4, 2019 8:57am
    - sooty
      
      Would that rule would rule out a mosgue
      
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      May 4, 2019 1:25pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Increase of cynicism and apathy from over exposure with no real policy gains. If they (MSM) are going to politicise her private life for votes in lieu of policy then character assassination will become a valid tool.
    Too busy having weddings and babies while everything turns to shit around her.
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:21am
- New Zealand Last
  
  Wow, it’s actually sad how deluded you are, then again, given that many Kiwiblog commenters believe in Jesus Christ it’s not really that surprising that they believe National have a chance of winning the next election if they believe in a fairy in the sky.
  
  If the ratings for Prince Harry’s marriage to Megan Markhel are anything to go by and the amount of MSM coverage in this sad joke of a country, New Zealand mums and dads love this sort of shit and Labour will likely go above 50% as a result of wedding photos.
  
  New Zealand gets what it deserves. National need to stop debating policy and start acting like celebrities if they want a chance of winning the next election.
  
  The only reason New Zealand’s economy isn’t going to go to shit is because both Labour and National are happy to sell New Zealand to China. China doesn’t need a free-trade agreement with a shit small country like ours, they’re just doing it for publicity and propaganda purposes, not for economic reasons. Our country should realize by now how absolutely insignificant we are and how our elections don’t actually mean shit for our economy given how left wing both the Labour and National parties are, so politics just becomes a game of my team beating your team, and if that’s the case, then National need to get with the program and start using marketing and shit to appeal to the NZ public. Not that it actually matters anyway.
  
  God this country is a joke.
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:25am
  - Pateke
    
    One way tickets to Australia available at $129. Suggest you avail yourself of one.
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:48am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    We only need to look at America for examples of celebrities as politicians. And the reality is that once as substantial number of people have decided that they ‘like’ a public figure, those fans are very unlikely to change their minds. The reverse is also true.
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:56am
- G152
  
  My first thought was what calamity has happened that has to be hidden under the ‘engagement’
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Jacinda may be a raving socialist but she is otherwise human. I don’t think she is in political mode all the time.
    Careful lest we politicise something that was not intended. It is pleasant when peoples personal lives are going well. Our PM will have enough to contend with on economic matters in the foreseeable future. She still has a Cabinet to manage and they are loose cannons.
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:37am
  - backster
    
    I wonder which mosque will host the wedding. Christchurch or Mt. Roskill?
    
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    May 4, 2019 3:48pm
- alien
  
  this announcement is rather good not a mistake. The wedding will be next year giving labour and jacinda huge free press and woman’s magazine coverage. the way the media will fall over her and the wedding labour would never of been able to afford to buy. If you thought the baby was bad enough the wedding is going to be far worse.
  
  I now have doubts national will win next year. The edia wont be focused on policy or screw ups but ont he wedding. Not that they have been focused on policy and stuff ups this year as it is which shows how bad next year will be
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:14am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Civil union would be more low key and more woke? Love that word now.
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:07am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Next time Bridges is asked about Collins, he should say that they just got engaged…..
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:40am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Did you mean to write ‘enraged’?
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:56am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Thank you for playing today.
      
      No, next (silly) question please
      
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      May 4, 2019 1:19pm
- calendar girl
  
  I’m tired of the Prime Minister’s cheap “Look at Me” contrivances. Her ‘personal’ lifestyle since she became Prime Minister is for her to live with, and most of us would not begrudge her the benefits of a stable relationship and healthy offspring.
  
  However, Ardern chose a long time ago to follow an unconventional pathway, and to hell with what her subjects felt. Now it’s a bit rich for her to be orchestrating a belated formal “engagement”, to be followed no doubt by by a fortuitously-timed wedding before next year’s General Election. What could make anyone remotely cynical about all that?
  
  Maybe 21 June 2020, poor little Neve’s first birthday, might draw some additional mileage out of the grand occasion?
  
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  May 4, 2019 3:04pm
Happychappy

Any thoughts on whether the bookies will take bets on how long it will last. Anyone that has openly boosted on their sex life in the past deserves to have odds put up on the chances he will look for better fruit.
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May 4, 2019 8:11am
- godruelf
  
  Happychappy I don’t know that’s a real problem just look at Bill and Hillary and how long they have lasted
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:09am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m not sure what point you are making. Are you suggesting a wager on how long it will take Donald to trade in Melania for wife No. 4?
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:58am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Thank you for playing today.
    
    Again no.
    
    Your score so far today is two failures.
    
    Next (silly) question please.
    
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    May 4, 2019 1:21pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  A friend of mine (true story)
  Lived with his girl friend for 5 years
  Got married
  Within 3 months she had run off with a truck driver.
  Divorce followed.
  Living together/ civil union
  is N O T the same as marriage.
  The level of commitment legal, spiritual (not religion), emotional is far higher in a marriage.
  Attitude too prevalent today
  Well we can always get divorced
  If you go in with that attitude, you probably will get divorced.
  Me
  Married 35yrs,
  Mett New Years eve 1984 (warning there?) married end of April 1984.
  There is no hardened recipe, but the initial commitment and the hardened attitude to stick with it….BOTH OF YOU.
  
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  May 4, 2019 3:14pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Well done, RW C, both you and your life partner.
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:43pm
- New Zealand Last
  
  Do you have any source regarding the sex claims or is this another Kiwiblog rumour, of which there are no shortages of commenters engaging in (e.g. Helen Clark being lesbian, etc)… For those who like to proclaim themselves Christians, Kiwibloggers sure do like to engage in slandering and gossip. Love thy neighbour my ass.
  
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  May 4, 2019 7:53pm
  - Rob2
    
    You may well love your neighbours arse but that’s not for the rest of us to feel jealous about.
    As for the various other descriptions that you throw at us, well you haven’t taken much notice of what people say about themselves around here.
    Fail.
    
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    May 4, 2019 8:40pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I think you’ll find atheists outnumber Christians on Kiwiblog by a significant margin. So what was your point again?
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:29pm
  - New Zealand Last
    
    So no sources? Thought so. Defamation is OK if the Right do it.
    
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    May 5, 2019 3:29am
Albert_Ross

These are dark and difficult times, so we must take what crumbs of comfort we can. The near miracle of the correct use of the word “reins” in this article comes as a ray of light to a benighted soul

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/388428/prime-minister-reins-in-mps-over-attacks-on-paula-bennett-s-maori-heritage
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May 4, 2019 8:18am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I hear Willie Jackson and Peeni Henare are battered, bruised and thoroughly chastised after their lashing with a wet bus ticket…
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No evidence in that report that Jacinda Ardern has done a damn thing.
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:25am
  - Jules99
    
    Yes the headline was misleading. I went looking for signs of leadership but didn’t find any.
    
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    May 4, 2019 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    Quite. There’s a huge disconnect between the headline and first sentnce of the story with the subject matter that is dealt with in two short paragraphs at the very end of the article! And there isn’t even a direct quote from the PM on the matter in which she’s alleged to be “reining” people in. It’s done through a spokesit.
    
    What a non story , fake news even.
    
    “A spokesperson said while the Prime Minister understood her MPs’ desire to hold all members to account on the work they do for their local communities, she has an expectation that this doesn’t become personal.
    
    The Prime Minister didn’t respond to questions about whether she had spoken to her ministers and what message she had passed on.”
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:17am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Ever.
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:05am
lilman

Slipping shit in before 4.30 on a Friday , no responsibility fatherhood then media runs with engagement.

Call me cynical but the disgust for media and labour has in my opinion reached new levels.

Started at 2.00 am working all day and the media think that me playing for lady muck and little and co,along with bastard children and you wonder why so many people just give up and join the lazy pricks.
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May 4, 2019 8:21am
- Gravelroad
  
  Re not naming fathers- a lot of our carefree and unaccountable younger women do not know who the fathers are of their various children – so difficult to identify for taxing purposes.
  What happens when solo, or unmarried women/men have children via surrogacy or IVF donation?
  There are many, many children growing up with no knowledge of their biological fathers and no way of finding out. You can’t tax semen donations, can you?
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:37am
  - lilman
    
    Not my problem.
    Legs can be closed as well as opened.
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:07am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Too many ‘friends with benefits’ these days. That can be taken a couple of ways too.
      
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      May 4, 2019 4:54pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Gravelroad
    re: not naming fathers. On a related point, boys don’t have ‘ADHD’ – their ‘misbehaviour’ problems mostly stem from having no father around and/or having females attempt to turn them into non-males. No wonder they act up – like in the USSR for example, when the system is ‘perfect’, if there is an issue, just drug ’em up, because they are clearly at fault.
    Why have men allegedly become more ‘toxic’ and maladjusted, the greater the proportion of women who are the sole parent or caregiver? If you can’t or won’t name the father, you should get zero. Try some personal responsibility too. People will always respond to short term incentives, even if they lead to negative consequences (welfare dependency etc.) down the track. Stupid people lacking foresight are not in a position to know what is best for them or for their fellow members of society. Hence, they vote Labour/Greens.
    
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    May 4, 2019 12:18pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Adhd is real, measurable, genetically determined and frequently inherited from ADHD dad or mum, and has fuck all to do with presence or absence of parents. It is evolution experimenting with impulsiveness – which mostly gets hammered but occasionally pays off big.
      
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      May 4, 2019 4:35pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        UrbanNeocolonialist
        So, we see a vast increase in sole parent households (usually mothers, encouraged by the State to “not need a man”, so also creating a massive drain on taxpayer funds), the advent of no-fault divorces and the ever increasing hyper-feminisation of school staffing, all coinciding almost precisely with a hitherto non-existent ‘disorder’ in male children.
        Nothing to see here. I’ll just take my pill and shut up.
        
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        May 4, 2019 5:02pm
      - Rob2
        
        Not true.
        
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        May 4, 2019 8:43pm
Paulus Gnome

Anyone seen KS?
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May 4, 2019 8:22am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’m here PG, hiding behind my real name 😀
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:23am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Thank you for continuing to play. I like your life experiences and perspective spoken through your comments here, I am not inclined to move to Wanganui tho’
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:25am
  - Colville
    
    You sneaky right wing bastard! 🙂
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:29am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Sometimes I struggle to believe how cunning I am ?
      
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      May 4, 2019 9:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

Finally, a National Weather Agency understands that poorly sited climate stations deliver crap results.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/03/big-news-verified-by-noaa-poor-weather-station-siting-leads-to-artificial-long-term-warming/
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May 4, 2019 8:34am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, now, now I have suggested to you a number times before the Dubiousness of Anthony Watts and his credentials.
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:18am
  - Peter S
    
    You do realise that the base of the article is a paper published by NOOA and that Anthony Watts is only drawing attention to that paper?
    
    Question, is being quoted Watts sufficient grounds for rejecting/ignoring papers that run contrary to the AGW narrative now?
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:08am
    - Peter S
      
      That was NOAA.
      Did not proof read. ?
      
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      May 4, 2019 10:15am
  - MickMac
    
    Stephie
    On this you are a pratt and have no standing because of your disgraceful long term behaviour.
    I must admit often I just downtick you without reading.
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:11am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    And yours? Hadcrut email team?
    What are you doing to bring back the sunspots into our lives?
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:41am
- All_on_Red
  
  Vindication for Watts and the Surface Stations project he started many many years ago.
  I mean who knew, concrete car parks, steel and city buildings retain and reflect heat which affects temperature readings!
  Although my fave was the weather station in Iceland which used to be on open ground in a town 50 years ago which over time ended up being where the airport was and was sited on a black heat absorbing Tarmac runway and was regularly blasted with hot jet wash.
  Apparently that part of Iceland was warming a lot!
  The Temp record is a joke
  GIGO
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I mean who knew, concrete car parks, steel and city buildings retain and reflect heat which affects temperature readings!
    
    We all knew.
    
    A paper was published on Christchurch’s urban warming back in 1981!
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/278665143_Modeling_the_Winter_Urban_Heat_Island_Over_Christchurch_New_Zealand
    (countless examples from other places all over the world published )
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:45am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Now Maggy,
      Don’t question the narrative about Climate Change and how it can only be solved by taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries.
      
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      May 4, 2019 10:00am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh some rich people in rich countries are doing very well out of C-trading.
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/11/03/blood-and-gore-making-a-killing-on-anti-carbon-investment-hype/#22af939932dc
        
        Check out who is buying up land for C-farming in NZ
        
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        May 4, 2019 10:13am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I rather liked the Tasmanian record at the lighthouse, I think it is Low Head. Had a fairly abrupt transition from relatively steady to significant warming and was often used as a result to show “global warming”.
      
      Then Warwick Hughes (dead some years now) visited and looked at records and photos and was able to show that at the same time that the temperatures suddenly started to increase, the trees around the weather station had grown enough to start protecting it from the prevailing winds. Most definitely a purely local explanation that didn’t (and hasn’t) stopped it from being used as a reference station for those intent on emphasising warming.
      
      The Urban heat island is absolutely known to exist, and it scales more or less with population. This has been often shown on a geographic basis, but there is less work on the time related effects such as the growth of populations in an area over time. This is significantly harder to do.
      
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      May 4, 2019 6:00pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    Ah, All on Rsd,, thus saith our Professor of Climatology!
    
    LOL
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:46am
    - Peter S
      
      Do you have a specific issue with the NOAA paper and it’s findings?
      That is the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, gate keepers of one of the main temperature datasets?
      Please do enlighten.
      
      Plus you may want to add YOUR credentials.
      
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      May 4, 2019 10:14am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Stephie the Stalker
      As usual, a moronic comment from Stephie.
      
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      May 4, 2019 10:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The temperature record is only for those places where there are “observations’. The IPCC models only have cover for 1/3 of the earth and computer fill-in for the rest. With “data” points 300Km apart on their model grid that takes some fudging. That is dished up as “science”.
    
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    May 4, 2019 10:47am
srylands

What is going on? I would wager that most people, including many Labour voters, are totally opposed to the decision to no longer require DPB beneficiaries to name the father so he can then be required to pay child support.

So where is National on this? They could make this an issue that they hammer, and pledge to reverse it when in government.

Thank you.
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May 4, 2019 8:38am
- alien
  
  na, there are far more important issues national should be going after, this is a minor
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:50am
Rachael Membery

Just because Jacinda has been a less than adequate PM in my opinion, doesn’t mean that she will be a less than adequate wife, pfft what ever that might be.

Don’t we all wish newly engaged people well, even though we know the odds are against them.

I just dislike the inevitable politicization of the whole thing. Do you get engaged before a civil union? Who knows if it is marriage?
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May 4, 2019 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You don’t have to get engaged before a civil union…
  
  A Civil Union in NZ is not the same as a Marriage in NZ.
  
  But by filling in an appropriate form and having the appropriate ceremony, you can switch from one to the other….
  https://www.govt.nz/browse/family-and-whanau/getting-married/civil-unions/change-a-civil-union-to-a-marriage/
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:42pm
  - MCos
    
    It’s impossible to be engaged to be married if that’s not the intention of the engagement.
    
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    May 4, 2019 5:10pm
Happychappy

How can anyone in the media say that Andrew Little and the Coalition have been more caring and done more for the families of Pike River than John Key and National did. It has always been toxic and very dangerous to go into this mine and no amount of bullshit that the media or their Jounalists will change this. When they finally decide they can’t afford the loss of more lives to try and get evidence to justify their cause will they then issue a apology to those that tried before them and excepted that they couldn’t bear to have more deaths on their conscience either so decided to make the mine unsafe for entry in the name of safety.
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May 4, 2019 8:50am
- alien
  
  easy, although as you say it has been toxic in the mine it has been far more toxic in the media towards Key and national. It’s a couple of family members that are twisting things and trying to make it against national carried on by the three opposition parties that likely know they will never enter it but wanted the brownie points for trying. It is strange though that the minister in charge of the entry is the union president that ignored the miners concerns about the mine
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:45am
Yvette

From the Pike River Recovery Agency website / Frequently asked questions:
Why can’t you put fresh air up to the roof fall?  […] The [roof] fall has previously been on fire and consequently has the potential for spontaneous combustion. Because fresh air and methane create a potentially explosive mixture, it is essential therefore that fresh air (oxygen) is kept away from the roof fall. This will be achieved by a constant flow of nitrogen, introduced from the mine workings, over the roof fall, and vented through designated boreholes. The roof fall itself will be constantly monitored for any signs of spontaneous combustion and the atmosphere monitored to ensure that it remains inert.[1]

A 3 per cent oxygen level was detected on Wednesday at a borehole directly above a roof fall 2.3km up the tunnel entrance to the mine. [2]

Mr Pattinson said a new tube system was now being used to monitor the mine and this was not resulting in any extra oxygen being drawn inside.
“They’re reading different so we’re just doing some more testing over the next few days to make sure we’re confident with that but [I have] every confidence that it’s a tube fault.”
The faulty tube was possibly laid up to eight years ago. [3]

So independent of whatever caused the original four explosions, with up to possibly four causes, yet another explosion, or fire, could result now from exposure of oxygen to the roof fall material at the 2.3km point up the drift.
And that is, or was, being monitored by a tube that could be eight years old?
Already, how does WorkSafe or Pike River Recovery Agency explain that?
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[1] https://www.pikeriverrecovery.govt.nz/background/faq/
[2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112430166/oxygen-in-pike-river-tunnel-didnt-get-in-through-mine-entrance
[3] https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/388437/pike-river-delays-we-ve-just-got-to-carry-on
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May 4, 2019 9:01am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Not enough money? Irony!!
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:00am
- Sofia
  
  With what seems to be massive advances in drone technology recently, why is a specially built drone not used to inspect the Pike River drift.
  Will they not fly in the drift atmosphere?
  Would their internal workings in action be a source of gas ignition?
  Does the accessible length of drift, 2,3km entry to the roof-fall, exceed the distance video can be transmitted from such a drone, or the range over which a drone can be controlled?
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:44am
  - freethinker
    
    Very pragmatic questions so don’t expect a sensible answer from Little Andrew and probably a moronic comment from stoopidboy.
    
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    May 4, 2019 4:48pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  They are still ignoring best engineering practice for a gas-producing fault-seam mine. The more works they do the greater the risks. The tolerances are small and sparks are too easily produced.
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:54am
  - sooty
    
    Why would a drone work better than the robots still in the mine?
    They broke down up the drift and were not recovered!
    
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    May 4, 2019 1:37pm
    - freethinker
      
      Drones are dirt cheap robots are expensive.
      
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      May 4, 2019 4:49pm
Scott

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/for-fear-of-william-barr.php

Those of us who’ve been following the Trump / Russia collusion theory closely are looking forward to the final end game.

The end game is the real investigation of real collusion with the Russians done by Hillary Clinton and her campaign against Donald Trump. It appears that the media and high level figures in the CIA and FBI and the justice department including John Brennan and James Clapper and James Comey plotted to bring down President Trump by spreading false information and using the Steele Dossier to create the collusion narrative and set up the special counsel. This was a soft coup against the duly elected president of the United States.

The interesting question is what did Obama know? Fox News is reporting that Obama spied on the Republicans through the FBI and the FISA court for 4 years!

This is a scandal that is bigger than Watergate. Some bad actors are finally going to be held accountable. And I can only feel joy in my heart at the prospect. At last the tables are turned! Justice will be done!
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May 4, 2019 9:15am
- Scott
  
  And this from the New York Times which is not a right wing newspaper!
  https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/02/new-york-times-admits-multiple-spies-deployed-against-trump-campaign/
  
  “The New York Times admits Obama administration employed multiple spys against the Trump campaign in 2016! “
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:19am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Scott, ” “The New York Times admits..”
    
    ???
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:44am
  - Fletch
    
    Mark Levin makes the case in his latest podcast that the reason the Times is releasing this now is because they want to put their own spin on it, undermining and preempting investigations by the Attorney General and Inspector General.
    
    http://www.westwoodonepodcasts.com/pods/the-mark-levin-audio-rewind/
    
    In the meantime, Dems are attacking AG Barr left, right, and center. Calling him names, unpatriotic, Trump’s stooge, accusing him of cover-ups, etc. It’s disgusting. People like Mazie Hiromo – I don’t know how she is a senator. These people drip with venom.
    
    Hirono opened her line of questioning for Barr by telling him he is “no different” from any of the other people who “sacrificed their once-decent reputation for the grifter and liar who sits in the Oval Office” and that he sided with Trump “over the interests of the American people.”
    
    Hirono proceeded to blast Barr for his handling of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report, including his four-page summary of its findings, which it was recently revealed Mueller was unhappy with. She also accused him of lying to Congress when he previously suggested he did not know about the special counsel’s office dissatisfaction with his summary of its findings.
    
    “But you knew,” she said. “You lied.”
    
    Congress now knows about Barr’s “deep involvement in trying to cover up for Donald Trump,” Hirono then said, also directly telling Barr he betrayed the trust that comes with the office of attorney general. “America deserves better,” she said. “You should resign.”
    
    To be honest, I don’t know what else Barr could have done. He released the whole report. Anyone can see it. You can even buy it on Amazon in book form. It’s all out in the open. Practically nothing is hidden in it.
    
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    May 4, 2019 9:54am
    - Fletch
      
      ps, remember Obama’s AG, Eric Holder, who was held in contempt by both Democrats and Republicans (the first sitting cabinet member to be held in contempt) after refusing to release documents related to Fast and Furious. Obama invoked executive privilege to block the disclosure of the internal documents. Meanwhile, Trump has never invoked executive privilege and Barr has withheld no documents.
      
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      May 4, 2019 10:30am
    - trout
      
      ‘The notes that became Mueller’s Nixon tapes’ – another misleading headline from the Washington Post. Followed by a long convoluted story about how Trump was pissed off that he was being set up to fall by false ‘Russia collusion’ accusations, and expressed his frustration to staff (asked for- but did not expect- action to be taken). And yes, he had the right to fire the Special Prosecutor if he so chose. The mention of ‘Nixon Tapes’ in the headline is significant because the journos had so hoped the ‘Russia’ hoax was their ticket to a Pullitza Prize. That chance has now evaporated so where to go? Attacking Barr to get Trump will prove futile . But the media appear to be so committed to feeding their audience the next bombshell that will sink Trump (to maintain ratings) they seem unable to change course.
      
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      May 4, 2019 12:49pm
  - Ross12
    
    Scott and Fletch
    
    This is a great read.
    
    https://humanevents.com/2019/05/01/checkmate/
    
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    May 4, 2019 11:00am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is this actual testimony, or satire?
  
  COONS: Going forward, what if a foreign adversary—let’s now say North Korea—offers a presidential candidate dirt on a competitor in 2020? Do you agree with me the campaign should immediately contact the FBI?
  BARR: [Long pause] If a foreign government?
  COONS: If a foreign intelligence service, a representative of a foreign government—
  BARR: Yes. Yes.
  COONS: —says, “We have dirt on your opponent,” should they say “I love it, let’s meet,” or should they contact the FBI?
  BARR: If a foreign intelligence service does, yes.
  
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  May 4, 2019 12:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Don’t know…don’t care.
    
    I’m more concerned about a non male green bludger donating almost $360,000 of our money to her husband.
    
    What are you thoughts on that mikey?
    
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    May 4, 2019 1:20pm
    - alwyn
      
      How is it “our money”? I didn’t think you were a true lefty?
      
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      May 4, 2019 5:33pm
      - Tall Man
        
        As a tax payer, I believe a small part of that theft by the non male green mp is mine. I also guess there are more tax payers on this blog than receivers so that share becomes “ours” 🙂
        
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        May 4, 2019 7:51pm
Maggie Pie

Just got a call from my partner. He back at the farmhouse now for breakfast. Not the best of Opening Days – very still and foggy. Still managed to bag 9 this morning and will go for another blast up tonite. Although they sounded like pretty expensive ducks to me. He was saying he unfortunately hit one of his new Flapper Splasher Mallard Decoys and completely destroyed it. I think they cost about 2 or 3 hundred each 🙁
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May 4, 2019 9:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Be very suspicious if he invites you out for a shoot.
  
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  May 4, 2019 9:48am
- Colville
  
  Are you married to Dick Cheney?
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:28am
  - sooty
    
    He should have gone to specsavers!
    
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    May 4, 2019 1:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  Now Maggie, how could he possibly shoot a decoy floating on the water…. when is shooting at flying ducks……
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:17pm
stephieboy

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What’s Hot Veganism,

Beyond Meat is getting the Silicon Valley treatment even though it’s a food company

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/02/beyond-meat-is-being-valued-like-a-tech-company-but-it-makes-food.html

Whats not Carnivores
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May 4, 2019 9:22am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I’ll be watching BYND on the US market to see if the company can be profitable.
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:02am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Ive always found the thing Vegans fear the most is a Nutritionist with facts.
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:22am
  - Kevin Herlihy
    
    Back in the early 2000’s a freight co I was working for appointed a new regional manager, a fit healthy type who wished to impart his healthy lifestyle on the crew.
    First thing he did was axe meat from the cafeteria menu, out went lambshanks, chips and steak pies, in came tuna salads and sushi.
    Within a week there was a revolt, my Samoan workmates 100+ kg who would down a double serving of lambshanks for smoko threatened to strike.
    It all came to head but the boss wouldn’t back down, take it or leave he said. The place almost ground to a halt, a go slow was in place, and freight began piling up and took days to deliver.Clients were howling but the lads stuck it out.
    Finally after weeks of chaos a compromise was reached. The local KFC was allowed on site to deliver buckets of the Colonel’s finest chicken in return for the lads clearing the backlog. It worked well and the local KFC did a roaring trade.
    The new manager however never got over the compromise and resigned weeks later and the lads celebrated by having an onsite bbq with steaks, chops and a few beers.
    
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    May 4, 2019 12:18pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Yep, no exactly what you mean Kev! Theres a couple of people at work that have recently gone full Vegan. Whenever we meet up they dont know what to talk about first – how fantastic Veganism is, or their bloody Fitbits
      
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      May 4, 2019 1:33pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Tell em you’ll be having a big juicy steak after their funeral.
        
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        May 4, 2019 4:43pm
    - sooty
      
      That’s funny, Labour have a deal with KFC too!
      
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      May 4, 2019 1:43pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Poooork……
    
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    May 4, 2019 7:52pm
- alloytoo
  
  I think such companies should be prohibited from using any meat related words in their marketing, those should include the words: Meat, burger and Sausage.
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:52am
Stephen James

Rugby opinion:
When the defensive team obviously piles on top of the try scorer to prevent the referees view, the try should be awarded.
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May 4, 2019 9:23am
Happychappy

Another month and the Greens voodoo in saying zero Deaths on the roads is their target and another four people lose there life three days into a new month. What will be the excuse from the Green MP on these or will it continue with its Natioals fault that they should have made roads safe instead of building four lane motorways.
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May 4, 2019 9:43am
- DigNap15
  
  Its the four lane motorways that are safe.
  Very few if any fatalities on them in the last few years.
  
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  May 4, 2019 12:55pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Four lanes! Great idea! More space for those ignorant truck drivers to fuck over! Can’t wait!
    
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    May 4, 2019 1:31pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Only $30,000 per metre ….
    
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    May 4, 2019 7:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Don’t look at the build cost of the road, look at the “maintenance”.
      
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      May 4, 2019 7:54pm
- Tall Man
  
  I was in Hong Kong a few years ago. There was a large billboard……
  
  Target: Zero Accidents
  
  Accidents this year: 12,000
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:14pm
Lee C

How would getting married be a ‘strategic’ mistake?
Guessing you are single :0)

‘Strategic in this case as I think people will begin to balk at the over-exposure it provides, and start to resent her gliteratti lifestyle, especially when the prices of everything goes up and the values of the rest are whored out.
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May 4, 2019 9:48am
Maggie Pie

Meant to post earlier my congrats to Jacinda on her engagement!
I’ve been engaged for going on seven years now so i really hope her partnwer turns out to be as kind and loving as mine is.
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May 4, 2019 9:57am
- Jules99
  
  My experience was that the engagement was better than the marriage. I should have stopped there!
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:17am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  After the world went gaga at the Prime Minister (aka the biblical Mary), she could definitely wow the Woman’s Weekly brigade if she has a cathederal wedding just around about the next election.
  
  Call me cynical, but the tsunami of feelz would possibly sweep all before it.
  
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  May 4, 2019 10:48am
  - david
    
    The TV channels will already be competing (with help from NZ On Air no doubt) for the exclusive rights to a “Behind the Scenes” series.
    Episodes to include:
    The Engagement Party
    The Invitation List
    The Wedding List at David Jones
    The invitation design
    The Venue choice
    The Choice of Religion (or combination thereof)
    The motorcade (BMWs vs Rolls Royces)
    The Role of the Defence Forces in Parade and Flypast
    The After-Match function
    The Menu
    The Invitation List
    The Role of the Royals in the event
    The officiating person (celebrant)
    The Honeymoon (Air NZ or RNZAF)
    Which Fishing spot for the Honeymoon
    …..
    …..
    Add more to suit your personal taste.
    Bah
    
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    May 4, 2019 4:56pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is it true that the longer the engagement, the less likely it is for the actual marriage to last?
  
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  May 4, 2019 11:00am
  - Tall Man
    
    Don’t know don’t care.
    
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    May 4, 2019 1:09pm
Liberty

Classic Baldrick
Tony Robinson
I’ve left the Labour Party after nearly 45 years of service at Branch, Constituency and NEC levels,partly because of it’s continued duplicity on Brexit, partly because of it’s antisemitism, but also because its leadership is complete shit.
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May 4, 2019 10:09am
- kowtow
  
  True to Baldrick character, it took him 45 years to work that out about Labour .
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:30pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/05/weekend-reading-4-5-may-2019/#comment-3340891

US unemployment hits lowest level in half a century as economy shrugs off growth fears … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/05/03/markets-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-100-services-sector-returns/

• US employments falls to 3.6pc, lowest level since 1969
• Huge 263,000 jobs added to buoyant US economy in April
• Services sector returns to growth in purchasing managers’ index
.
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Now … where are U.S. interest rates heading ?
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May 4, 2019 10:31am
- Wired-one
  
  Trump gets no credit for this, the Democrats are still trying to convince themselves the Russians cost them the election, morons.
  
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  May 4, 2019 12:06pm
- Cobolt24
  
  I think rates will stay steady for now.
  Speaking of US interest rates….
  .
  The American economy is swimming in jobs. Calling for a rate cut now is bonkers | CNN
  .
  https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/03/economy/us-interest-rates-cut/index.html
  
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  May 4, 2019 7:06pm
Monique Watson

She’s engaged. Woot woot. I got engaged at the age of twenty four. Married at 26.The test is in front of her.
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May 4, 2019 10:59am
Wired-one

Stuff all stories on the welfare changes that are being proposed but many stories on Arderns engagement, i’m seriously losing hope. It doesnt matter that the economy is tanking or that there are 10,000 more beneficiaries than a year ago, or that poverty and inequality are worsening. All that matters is Ardern is nice, she is kind and she hugs people. Fuck the media in this country, what’s the bloody point!!!
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May 4, 2019 11:25am
- waikatogirl
  
  Hang in there. With the economy tanking the tax take will be down. The sign “Tax the Rich Pricks to Pay for Welfare” a woman was holding up says all about what most want from this government. The ‘golden goose’ taxpayer is not going to be laying so many eggs for the CoL to spend. The tide will turn.
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:30pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The beneficiaries need the tax-payers, but the tax-payers don’t need the beneficiaries.
    
    Guess who holds the real power in the relationship?
    
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    May 4, 2019 5:57pm
Maggie Pie

Following a couple hours in makeup, Jacinda prepares to meet Pike River families 🙂

https://i.imgflip.com/b5m3k.jpg
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May 4, 2019 11:27am
- Tall Man
  
  Teeth too small…..
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:07pm
- sooty
  
  That goes so well with Littles coalminer one.
  Pidgeon pair. Would’n they look cute!
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:49pm
BrownSnake

Hello

Some Information to Ponder?

This individual was meant to be sentenced in
Australia this week.?

Does anyone know what he got?

Prior to this post did you know who he is
They all do?

Did any of the Media Cover it OZ NZ ?

Did it in fact happen? and if not when will it happen – so we can review the result?

https://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/musa-cerantonio-islamic-state-isis-individual-profile

<A study conducted during early 2014 by the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation concluded that one in four foreign fighters followed Cerantonio’s Twitter account and that his Facebook page was the third-most ‘’liked’’ page among jihadists.

Here is a list of the approximate body count
of Some not all
Recent incidents (partial or full oz origin)

Terrorists from AUSTRALIA have actively planned participated in and funded

NZ 50

SRI LANKA 253 500 injured,

Aus ISIS helped plan this and fund this?
PHILIPPINES 168 1400 injured (army)
PHILIPPINES 978 12 captured (ISIS)
PHILIPPINES 87 1.1 million displaced (Civilians)

Left out the Catholic Church in the Phillipines
I think that is about 20 and there was an attempted car bomb in Melbourne (1) the gas
bottles were meant to go off but the fire was extinguished in time.

<
I am just curious about the motivations of Jacinda
in France? and if in fact what she is doing is going to make anyone safer.? or will what she is doing
will in fact make the world unsafe?

Because what needs to happen immediately is not
happening? Why not?

We have to ask the question?
While we are still allowed?

I talk to a lot of muslims and though they appreciate the effort and respect at the funeral
they would prefer if NZ did not get good at funerals but at prevention on all sides.

So we have people who say ANZAC day is not safe
going to France? if you have not Noticed

If that is the case surely things must start to happen before the Legislative Enquiry
or Royal Commission?

Semi Autos were banned very quickly?

But do we have a Trans Tasman agreement on the
sentencing of Terrorists and the Status of people
who have participates in Syria, and they would
be upwards of 1000 and in case you or Jacinda
did not notice (over the last 8 years that that
was allowed to go on).

They were very active on Social Media?
Posting all sorts of creepy nonsense.

Are we to believe they she did not know this went on ?
and are we to believe they are so ignorant
dense of poorly informed or she talks so
infrequently with Australia she does not
know who the above person is or
what city he operated from?

or what were his methods who funded him?

Her ignorance and the cultured ignorance of her
advisers (on these issues) is actually more frightening than the terrorists
these people are going to be able to out wit outsmart out move and get passed a mug like this so easily if the decide to do so.

These people have no idea what they are up against?

If that is the case her lack of knowledge is a serious
liability to the safety of all people in the region
NZ and AUS.

All of the above is common knowledge from
anyone who follows what happens in Aus for more than
2 minutes.

The French are not that good at prevention?
and not good at prevention in NZ either
if you do not suffer from amnesia?

If you have not noticed?

Now the Australian Security Forces and Police
are not just good they are FN Brilliant
Mostly and when they make a mistake they do learn.

They among other things have passed legislation for the Army to assist police and have units on permanent stand by in most cities now bomb disposal robots
bollards etc etc

The reason nutters have to leave AUS to do these
things is they would be stopped by the laws they
have for preventative detention and the work
of their intelligence officers do?

They leave Aus because Aus security are effective.

New Zealand has 2 choices or options

Work more closely with Australia
and
Up its game.

While Jacinda is talking to Face book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Haron_Monis
While she is talking to Face book maybe she can get them to release the Face book records of this (terrorist or mentally ill person what did they decide) so they can go through his likes
and try and get to the bottom of who he got his

"Semi Auto Weapon from"

Before it was taken down, on 15 December 2014, Monis's Facebook account had 14,000 "likes".[82]

14,000 like I thought he acted alone
It would take a long time
But that information would help Australian Police
Keep the community safer

I think if that was not a "terrorist incident" that
is 14,000 people that need help from the mental
health services so if they could release that information that would be fantastic

In the View of NZ's recent legislation it is also
pertinent to view how effective it has been in Aus?

As not really effective at all esp in light of the
fact the first confiscated weapons got into criminal hands

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/lindt-cafe-siege-inquest-gun-used-by-man-monis-part-of-australias-grey-market-20150817-gj0qeq.html

In the last week Australian Security did
two preventative raids. Look them up.

One detaining associates of a Sri Lanka bomber
outside an Anglican church and the other
Some Nut case with explosives and nasty ones
could not be moved has to be detonated on site?

What did NZ police and security do this week

Have they located the stolen weapons yet?

In summary one of the most prolific uses of social media to promote terrorism on line operated out of melbourne Australia for 8 years.

He was due to be sentenced this week?

New Zealand’s focus is France?
and
Face Book?

God Defend New Zealand
and
God help us all.

The Legal Profession and the Politicians are the
real issue here.

What needs to be done like when France
attacked NZ was not done (By Labour)
and until it starts to happen, the laws are there these things will continue to worsen.
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May 4, 2019 11:36am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Would anyone who read that screed care to have a stab at a one para summary?
  
  [Mod: Brevity appears not to be BrownSnake’s forte]
  
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  May 4, 2019 12:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Our government is ignorant and stupid…..
    
    That work for you mike?
    
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    May 4, 2019 1:05pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    What I find amusing about BronwnSnake is that while his text is left-justified, the right margin wiggles in and out like, … well, like, a snake (?)
    
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    May 4, 2019 2:01pm
- krazykiwi
  
  TLDR (… and OOS in my scrolling finger)
  
  BrownSnake, some advice. No one will read your missive above. If you constrain your comments to two or three well constructed paragraphs with a similar number of points then you may get a conversation started.
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Well constructed”……
    
    You mean they aren’t?
    
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    May 4, 2019 4:40pm
- alien
  
  you calim australia is so great because they this week caught some people connected with the Sri Lanka bombers. Can’t be that good or they would of found them before the Sri Lanka Bombing as you say they are much better than NZ.
  
  And no NZ focus is not france and facebook, that is what you think you know about but behind the scene far more will be going on with our intelligence services than you’ll ever know.
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:18pm
- BrownSnake
  
  At least Australia Does detain and arrest quite a few of them?
  
  Deports a few Kiwis with protests from Comrade
  Jacinda when really the NZ police should be removing them? to go back to the training schools
  called NZ prisons.
  
  The Sentencing is another issue for discussion?
  
  This is recent news March 2019
  
  Sentence does not rate a mention I can’t find what he got anywhere?
  
  One of his recruits disciples was sentenced recently ?
  
  Lets see what he got?
  
  This is for attempting to help with the destruction of a Foreign City? being part of
  a highly organised destructive and global paramilitary organisation?
  
  In our region
  
  Under Jacinda’s nose
  
  Well wait for it
  
  2 years 10 months?
  
  34 months in prison for being a terrorist on the way to to help destroy a city?
  
  Australia has great preventative laws but if sentences like that are given
  the power of them as a deterrent is diminished?
  
  What are NZ laws on this anyone know or care to elaborate? does NZ actually have any?
  
  So they have implemented a deterrent and judges are making the deterrent useless, kind of?
  
  Also NZ and AUS still have not clarified what the status is of its people who leave to support terrorism indirectly and then return. It the Syrian Crisis has been ongoing for 8 years.
  
  Might be time to do that as Australian
  is arresting them charging them and then
  
  Letting them out again Soon?
  
  Wow they finally did an article on the prick
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/national/tinnie-terrorists-ringleader-jailed-for-seven-year
  s-20190503-p51jxu.html
  
  ringleader jailed for seven years
  &
  
  7 years for helping this
  
  Aus ISIS helped plan this and fund this?
  PHILIPPINES 168 1400 injured (army)
  PHILIPPINES 978 12 captured (ISIS)
  PHILIPPINES 87 1.1 million displaced (Civilians)
  
  Wow you Kiwis are pretty
  Damned IGNORANT
  aren’t you
  
  Go to France
  
  That will help
  
  The real issue with a global mindset
  is the mistaken Idea NZ can ponce around
  the World Stage preaching to everyone when
  it can’t police its own people at all in the Region.
  
  Let’s face it Australian Security could do a better
  job is Kiwis were not allowed in the country?
  
  Good Ole Globalists NZ preaching to World
  about Climate Change Race Terrorism
  Social Media
  
  While ignoring what is and has been happening under their noses? for years?
  
  Sentenced on the 30th 3rd May
  
  Fascinating a small article 3rd May?
  
  Wow better than Nothing
  
  Here is his work
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marawi
  
  https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/radical-hate-preacher-musa-cerantonio-arrested-in-the-philippines/news-story/2dd225c5f7bdb552bf9fe8cd0739574b
  
  Samantha Maiden, Herald Sun
  July 11, 2014 11:59pm
  
  5 years ago arrested in the Phillipines
  
  The Phillipines approach to this is much better
  than NZ or AUS
  
  Wow NZ give us your Master Class
  
  Australia and the Phillipines wipes the Floor with
  NZ and France when it comes to prevention
  
  Absolutely despite the tragedies and Mistakes
  
  NZ is a Disgrace a Farce and a Bad Joke
  
  It should be having immediate talks with
  Sri Lanka Aus and the Phillipinnes with
  France last
  
  And we all know why a Chat with Aus in
  on hold?
  
  Well the Head of ISIS Social Media and Terrorist promotion got sentence is Aus this week
  
  Yes where is the PM
  
  France
  
  Fantastic
  
  Keep up the good work
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:27pm
- alien
  
  for anyone that wants to read about this supposed detaining of sri lanka associates of the bomber you can read the story where it says they were released without charge.
  
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-26/counter-terrorism-operation-in-north-melbourne/11049274
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:39pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    For anyone who wants to read the article about this
    incident by the Australian Journalist expert on Social Media who interviewed Jacinda
    
    both his comments on CHCH and his interview
    with her went Global I have not viewed them
    yet in detail
    
    I have read his delayed article on Sri Lanka
    
    And for some reason there is no mention of
    an AUSTRALIAN CONNECTION?
    
    When there was clear and direct Australian
    involvement?
    
    Quite incredible that they think we are all
    as dense and un informed as the people who
    Vote for them?
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/the-sri-lankan-attacks-are-uniquely-senseless-20190425-p51h2v.html
    
    The Sri Lankan attacks are uniquely senseless
    
    Yes and No
    
    not saying I condone or justify anything?
    
    What is senseless is the dishonest attempts
    that are continual to cover up and pretend
    that what is happening in Australia is not
    happening and it is a major player in Global
    Terrorism now on supposed both sides
    of the political and racial spectrum?
    
    But the NZ PM being in France instead of AUS
    speaks volumes about the level of
    Trans Tasman Cooperation and Communication
    
    Do they intentionally Cooperate when they need things quiet for an Aus Labour Election Campaign? or are they just THICK or DISHONEST incompetent or all of the above?
    
    If this kind of woeful sharing of information
    and cooperation increases the potential
    risk to both NZ and Aus
    
    They appear to be ok with that?
    
    And to be perfectly honest so do their supporters
    
    Most Labour Voters in Aus could not
    give a rats about NZ Sri Lanka or the Phillipines
    
    nor do their press or their Politicians
    
    When they all pretend they care about their
    Muslims Communities I find it hard not to
    puke in a bucket
    
    They are like everyone else
    
    Pawns in the Game
    
    Good Book Read it
    
    If people genuinely cared they would
    have done a whole lot more
    a whole lot sooner over the past
    
    How many years and
    
    NZ and Aus would already have agreed
    Minimum sentencing in place
    
    7 years
    
    2 years 10 months
    
    What a SICK JOKE
    
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    May 4, 2019 3:19pm
    - alien
      
      the sick joke is you making things up.
      
      The PM being in france speaks nothing of communications between NZ because she is simply the PM. ALl important conversation that need to take place with regards to terrorism take place between our secruity agencies and theirs.
      
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      May 4, 2019 3:49pm
      - BrownSnake
        
        Australian Security Agents will operate in NZ
        
        Today with or without the PM’s permission Already
        
        they would have to – to keep Aus safe
        they would not be doing their jobs if they did not?
        
        From the entire Diverse Spectrum of Scum bags
        you have there operating basically unchallenged?
        
        Tell me expert do NZ criminals still burn
        Australian Woman alive in the boot of their
        cars in Auckland?
        
        Solved that one yet Clever clogs?
        
        Christ Auckland sounds like you are reading
        about Syria some days doesn’t it?
        
        NZ does have the accolade or producing the worlds most retarded Tewwowist
        
        NZ had the accolade of producing the most
        amassing BUFFOON
        
        http://time.com/3651559/new-zealand-isis-twitter/
        
        You people like 2 minutes
        
        you can spend
        2 minutes tracking the
        atrocity after atrocity THIS RETARD
        was involved in do it and give us the body count?
        
        Then Give the world a lecture on counter terrorism
        what to do about it why he was not stopped?
        
        and what is his legal status is TODAY?
        
        Heard of the APEX Gang and what they do in AUS?
        
        Kind of like ISIS but different?
        
        <
        Four young criminals with alleged links to the violent Apex gang are being deported from Australia.
        
        Three of the men are from New Zealand,
        
        No surprise there …..MATES
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11784858
        
        Yes Part of the Great Kiwi Export Industry
        
        <
        New Zealand's Prime Minister has escalated the dispute with Australia over criminal deportations, warning the policy is having a "corrosive" effect on the relationship between the nations.
        
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-17/new-zealand-ministers-criticise-australia-deportation-laws/9999460
        
        Boo Hoo Hoo Hoo hoo
        
        The Aus Security Agencies and Government
        Do not have time to listen to you or your
        Governments BS
        
        Neither do I NZ is a joke
        Auckland in particular is a crime infested cess pit.
        
        Globally and locally this once proud country
        is now A JOKE.
        
        The Facts are if they AUS did not have to deal
        with so much NZ Crime they could assign
        more important resources to Counter Terrorism.
        
        But your Governments priorities are elsewhere
        as they always have been and their negligence is bordering on criminal.
        
        Talking about criminals lets hear what they all have to say? shall we?
        
        In Future Jacinda Adhern Winston Peters and Andrew Little should so some respect to
        Australian Law
        
        and just SHUT UP AND Cooperate
        
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-17/new-zealand-ministers-criticise-australia-deportation-laws/9999460
        
        The Australian Government have had no choice
        but to crack down on Kiwi Criminals because
        in the grand scheme of things they Kiwis who do
        Crime are a bigger more expensive problem they
        have than something else.
        
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-17/new-zealand-ministers-criticise-australia-deportation-laws/9999460
        
        Jacinda Ardern lashes 'corrosive' deportations from Australia to New Zealand
        
        Yeah Yeah her and Winston and Little Little work
        with Australian regularly on security and crime issues?
        
        Pull the other one?
        
        TUI
        
        Yeah Right.
        
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        May 4, 2019 10:54pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Not conducive to reading.
  
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  May 4, 2019 7:15pm
Kevin Herlihy

Back in the early 2000’s a freight co I was working for appointed a new regional manager, a fit healthy type who wished to impact his healthy lifestyle on the crew.
First thing he did was axe meat from the cafeteria menu, out went lambshanks, chips and steak pies, in came tuna salads and sushi.
Within a week there was a revolt, my Samoan workmates 100+ kg who would down a double serving of lambshanks for smoko threatened to strike.
It all came to head but the boss wouldn’t back down, take it or leave he said. The place almost ground to a halt, a go slow was in place, and freight began piling up and took days to deliver.Clients were howling but the lads stuck it out.
Finally after weeks of chaos a compromise was reached. The local KFC was allowed on site to deliver buckets of the Colonel’s finest chicken in return for the lads clearing the backlog. It worked well and the local KFC did a roaring trade.
The new manager however never got over the compromise and resigned weeks later and the lads celebrated by having an onsite bbq with steaks, chops and a few beers.
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May 4, 2019 12:21pm
Ross12

Great headline ( in the Telegraph) referring to the UK local council elections :

“If ‘None of the Above’ were on the ballot, they’d have won”
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May 4, 2019 12:32pm
- Ed Snack
  
  When I was at University, they adopted a policy of having the various issues that were put to the students to vote on include voting options of yes, no, don’t know and fuck off. In all the ones I can recall fuck off always had an absolute majority.
  
  Probably be the same if they gave us the option in the general election in NZ. Must register the F Off party…
  
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  May 4, 2019 6:10pm
Morrissey

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The great George Galloway eloquently dismantles state propaganda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcyfVLMWqFI
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May 4, 2019 12:45pm
- MrTips
  
  Ah Morrie, you’re back! How’s the business of glass cleaning, specialising in peep hole shows, going?
  
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  May 4, 2019 1:46pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Nice one, Pitster!
    
    https://media3.giphy.com/media/ioeQEPFDeS8s8/giphy.gif
    
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    May 4, 2019 2:38pm
Prince

Not sure exactly what the purpose of this article is, other than more pictures of Ardern and Little pawing over the Pike River families again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112467748/conveyor-belt-not-linked-to-second-explosion-at-pike-river-mine–police

Is there no end to the political whoring from Labour over this tragedy ?
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May 4, 2019 2:56pm
- alien
  
  maybe read this article first and you’ll see why they investigated the converyor belt.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107382295/father-of-pike-river-miner-alleges-police-set-off-second-explosion?cid=facebook.post.107382295
  
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  May 4, 2019 3:46pm
Morrissey

Since when has Shane Jones been in Brazil?

https://www.foxsports.com.au/ufc/amateur-mma-fighter-joyce-vieira-confronts-man-after-he-allegedly-exposed-himself/news-story/3fed82053890397d3497ec23416d9110
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May 4, 2019 3:20pm
- alwyn
  
  Actually our Shane, the first citizen of the regions, was waxing so eloquently he decided he should go the whole hog and get a Brazilian. It wasn’t util after he got there he found out what it was.
  
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  May 4, 2019 5:43pm
BrownSnake

Wow Now Comrade Jacinda in Engaged so I hear?

How about an Engagement in Saudi Arabia
after France

those two can try the ole

Saudi Wife Watching App
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKXDt6–zns

What form will the NZ one have?
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May 4, 2019 4:15pm
cmm

Paris calling: Return to France $1000

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12227703

Naah.

Looks like the French tourist industry is reaping the multi-cultural dividend.
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May 4, 2019 4:41pm
- BrownSnake
  
  https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/australian-governor-general-peter-cosgrove-locked-down-amid-nice-attack/news-story/14cf116aa5ebec2d097d2fad9f4165b9
  
  Nice picture of
  Sir Peter Cosgrove the Aus Queens Representative
  Sitting next to
  
  French President Francois Hollande
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11847259/French-frogman-spy-sorry-for-disproportionate-bombing-of-Greenpeace-Rainbow-Warrior.html
  
  The Sorry 30 years later
  
  <
  
  One of the men on his team was Gerard Royal, the brother of the current French environment minister, Segolene Royal, and former partner of President François Hollande.
  
  French Presidents Formerly Married to the Sister
  of Terrorists? sitting next to Representatives of the
  … The Queen?
  
  While another incident kicks off?
  
  Anyone see the Irony in it all?
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
  
  ????
  
  Now our Pm is there getting tips?
  
  It is like a Bad Peter Sellers movie
  
  Clouseau might as well be in charge
  and maybe soon will be?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDSM7AKfVJg
  
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  May 4, 2019 6:23pm
Cobolt24

US unemployment rate fell from 3.8% to 3.6%, the lowest since 1969. | BBC News.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48145563
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May 4, 2019 5:20pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Has the president stopped calling the unemployment figures ‘phony’?
  
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  May 4, 2019 6:48pm
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  And of course, the liberal networks are trying to give Obama praise for it – like it was something he did and it’s just starting to come through now *sigh*
  
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  May 4, 2019 8:01pm
nasska

Being ginger can get you on the receiving end of a lot of shit from people.

So sell them your pubes and tell them it’s saffron!
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May 4, 2019 6:26pm
Monique Watson

Nasska. Lets go into business! Call it saffron! Tell them it’s ten dollars a jar.
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