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krazykiwi

Last night Mrs kk experienced a heart issue which required a rapid trip into Wellington public hospital. Can I first of all thank the ED duty staff for their amazing care. Mrs kk was triaged and had two nurses and a doctors on her case within minutes of us arriving, and their professionalism was apparent throughout the 4 hours we there. She’s home now and would have gone to work today had Mr kk not put his foot down!

I sat there last night reflecting on the events of the day, including the so-called ‘Wellbeing’ budget. I concluded that wellbeing isn’t delivered by commentators like us hammering away at KB and other forums. It isn’t delivered which budgets which spray public money around, hoping that some of it sticks. It has nothing to do with platitudinous politicians angling for personal brand enhancement. Wellbeing is already delivered by 100s of thousands of kiwi’s, day-in and day-out, with little fanfare, and with little expectation. It’s simply part of who they are, and New Zealand, for all it’s faults, is a great place because of these people.
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May 31, 2019 8:00am
- mandk
  
  Sorry to hear about Mrs kk’s heart issue, but glad to hear she was looked after so well in ED. And well done for putting your foot down about her going back to work.
  
  My family and I have always had prompt and good care at both Wellington and Hutt Hospitals. Let’s hope CoL incompetence doesn’t wreck things.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:11am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Thanks mandk. Not something either of us is accustomed to – we’re both outliers for our age in terms of fitness and health. I was amazed at what the ED staff had to contend with – trashed/drugged/abusive people. Quite an eye opener.
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:19am
    - sooty
      
      Hope she is well!
      Why don’t you tell her to take monday off as well. Just to get better!
      
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      May 31, 2019 8:28am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        In fact, the Queen commands you to have Monday off.
        
        The motorways will be clogged with republic pushers going to work to demonstrate that she is not their monarch
        
        #notmyqueen
        
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        May 31, 2019 10:14am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Not good to hear about Mrs kk’s heart issue, but it’s great that she got such good and immediate care. After 18 months of listening to the likes of David Clark pontificating about “nine years of neglect”, i was half-expecting you to talk about the third world conditions, mould on the walls and sewage running down the hallways.
  
  As an aside, we had our Rotary District Conference a couple of weeks ago, and heard about the new Wellington Children’s Hospital, which is going to be a world-class facility. Rotary clubs throughout our lower North Island district will get behind this project, and help make sure that the new hospital is equipped and furnished to a high standard. Should a future grandchild need hospitalisation in Wellington, it will be reassuring to know they will get fantastic care.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:20am
- Alien
  
  Glad she is doing well.
  
  I’ve had heart issues all year. Many trips to the hospital. Test everything, doctors confused. Last time it happened I got so annoyed I went onto YouTube and started searching. Found one of my medications cause rapid heart beat, found it can also cause ectopic beats. Then came across a British cardiologist videos. Since the cardiologist at our hospital was useless I wrote him. His reply, most doctors are too entrenched with medicine to actually look at what is causing the problems and heal it, told me to take magnesium with Taurine. That a lot of his patients with symptoms like me were caused by the meds they are on causing magnesium deficiency. 3 days after starting it the rapid heart beats stopped the ectopic beats went from one every 5 beats to a couple a day to I don’t notice if I have any any more. Stopped taking my beta blocker a week ago. Really interesting guy, might be worth you looking at his videos
  
  https://www.youtube.com/user/YorkCardiology
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:33am
  - G152
    
    I ended up under care when I was diagnosed with Non Hodgins Lymphoma Stage 4 at Waikato
    Couldn’t ask for better care or treatment.
    The current health minister is only qualified to stand at grave sides giving eulogises.
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      More likely to be there chucking the handful of dirt…….
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:37am
      - Alien
        
        No he’s busy hoping to be the new finance minister
        
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        May 31, 2019 12:44pm
  - Fletch
    
    My mum is a bit like this. Can’t take a lot of medicines. Years ago she went into hospital for an operation and when she came out of it, her heartbeat was very erratic. The Dr prescribed Potassium tablets of quite a high dosage (600mg) which fixed her. Now, whenever she feels she has a heart thing she takes the potassium and it seems to work. If ever she goes into hospital she insists on having it now.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:23am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Potassium should only be used under real supervision–it can stop the heart. I had a med which was “potassium sparing” the effect was to one morning reduce my heart rate to 22bpm. That rate is too low to function and adrenaline had to be administered directly into the shin bone. Thanks to the paramedics who had the knowhow and the technology.
      
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      May 31, 2019 12:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Excellent news… Back to work then?
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:38am
    - Alien
      
      no time for that. And no ability for that. Head scan next week. That’s got me a bit scared. physio. Doctors appointments. Heart problem was a result of medication side effects, that’s the problem today, side effect cause secondary issues to the main problems.
      
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      May 31, 2019 1:08pm
- wreck1080
  
  Hope your wife is ok now.
  
  For serious and immediate life threatening issues, our health system works pretty well.
  
  Chronic health issues are not so well looked after, as you can end up on long waiting lists.
  
  Our system is way better than in the US though, in that we do take care of those with no money. Maybe a bit more user pay could apply here, as I double up on my healthcare with an insurance policy but i don’t get a tax break for that.
  
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  May 31, 2019 11:15am
- Komata
  
  KK@0800
  
  I agree totally about your comment that ‘Wellbeing is already delivered by 100s of thousands of kiwi’s, day-in and day-out, with little fanfare, and with little expectation. It’s simply part of who they are, and New Zealand, for all it’s faults, is a great place because of these people’.
  
  As with Mrs KK, I also had unexpected heart problems; ultimately resulting in a quadruple bypass discovered during a low-level and very ‘routine’ check. All staff I met during the 18 days I inhabitted the local hospital (no names) were brilliant, very caring, very professional and very concerned about my well-being. Mrs Komata and myself were kept fully infomed and involved with what was going-on, in a situation that was both hightly unusual and somewhat complicated (the details don’t matter). The ‘after-discharge’ support has also been very impressive and again, highly supportive. We were very appreciative.
  
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  May 31, 2019 3:38pm
Martin Williams

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More poor judgement from Bridges and his faction within the National Party.

They look shifty and the public are uneasy about it.

They should have asked themselves if an ordinary member of the public would go around snooping for confidential information.

Decent people wouldn’t.
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May 31, 2019 8:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  Martin, so it’s ok when Labour do it, but not National? Have you forgot the use of leaked information by Labour during their years in opposition? You are a hypocrite!
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:09am
- Tony Stuart
  
  They don’t look half as shifty as the Labour Party did in 2008…
  
  Labour has been digging through John Key’s past in an attempt to link him to sham currency deals, in what National is labelling a desperate smear campaign.
  
  Months of investigation culminated in Labour Party president Mike Williams flying to Melbourne to trawl through 11,000 pages of court records, apparently in an effort to link Mr Key to the notorious H-fee scheme, which landed entrepreneur Allan Hawkins in jail in 1992.
  
  Mr Key said yesterday it was a “desperate attempt by the Labour Party to smear me 10 days out from the election”.
  
  National is now asking how much Labour leader Helen Clark knew about Mr Williams’ efforts, saying the Prime Minister’s attempts to distance herself were not credible.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/vote-08/news/695248/Labour-trawls-for-Key-smear
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:09am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and
    Private investigators payed by Labour, to go through Bill English’s rubbish.
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:16am
    - sooty
      
      And then there is Nicky Hagar! He certainly jumped the shark!
      
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      May 31, 2019 8:33am
- krazykiwi
  
  When the curator of information publishes it in the internet for any one of this planet’s 7.67 billion citizens to access at their leisure .. it ceases to be ‘confidential’.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:10am
  - alloytoo
    
    But those desperately dancing on a head of a pin must have us believe that it is. (especially as it distracts from Robertson’s slanderous misleading behaviour.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Public Servants don’t leak either if they are satisfied with the govt.
  Expect worse to come.
  ☑️ ☑️
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:12am
- RW Capitalist
  
  So if I accuse you of a crime, you would say NOTHING?
  Yeah right, to mimic a certain well known bill board.
  NO snooping was done, a private citizen SEARCHED a Publicly accessible web sight, retrieved public information and distributed.
  Nothing illegal or immoral.
  and NOTHING the CoL would not have done, given the same circumstances.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:14am
  - ste3e
    
    The issue is a technical one. A web page is accessed via a link. The addition of new content to a site however might be made by putting a new page on the site while providing no link to it. The new page can nonetheless be accessed if you know or can hack the name (URL) of the page. I assume treasury provided no links to the page, but that the page was hacked, hence the 2000 attempts. Something that seems to be missed however is that if treasury behaved this way this year then presumably they did so when the Nats were in office. In which case did National simply come across the link or did they know there was a security issue which they thought better to exploit than fix?
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:36am
    - alloytoo
      
      In the immortal words of Homer
      
      “D’oh”
      
      The search function provides the link.
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:56am
      - ste3e
        
        There are tags designed to block search engines. I would assume treasury was using them. And if it wasn’t a simple search engine then it was a hack.
        
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        May 31, 2019 10:28am
      - alloytoo
        
        @ste3e”There are tags designed to block search engines. I would assume treasury was using them.
        
        And if it wasn’t a simple search engine then it was a hack.”
        
        National used Treasury’s own search function (Embedded into the page).
        
        You might assume that treasury was using block tags, the evidence suggests otherwise.
        
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        May 31, 2019 1:36pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Is that you steffy girl?
      
      You are certainly as dumb as her.
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:32am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Except…
      
      Their own search engine indexed the pages.
      
      Hacked indeed LOL
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:47am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Google may have copied and indexed the pages before they were finished and more fully protected.
      For the larger more interesting sites a visit from pirate Google can take place in under a day.
      
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      May 31, 2019 12:21pm
      - alloytoo
        
        A google spider indexing a whole lot of juicy new pages may well have been systematic and persistent, but hardly hacking.
        
        Is treasury’s search powered by google?
        
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        May 31, 2019 1:38pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      You are either not familiar with web and hyper text linking using HTML and then linking the pages so they can be searched by the websites own search engine or you are a Labour troll still trying to throw squirrels.
      
      Which is it?
      
      Go console yourself on The Standard and discuss yesterday’s less budget that was more hyped spin than substance.
      
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      May 31, 2019 5:18pm
- Alien
  
  Only shiftiness is from labour supporters going around trying to cover up labour and the actions of treasury by blaming national. Don’t really think you have any sort of feeling for the public because every conversation I have heard has been against labour and treasury and for national. The only times I have heard anything against bridges is from the few who don’t understand what happened and think national used a hacker.
  
  You sort of comment just reflects on you, no one else
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:22am
  - Martin Williams
    
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    You keep telling yourself that. ?
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      And…. gone.
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:32am
- Gravelroad
  
  Give it up Martin.
  Go back to the Labour Party troll school for some more instruction.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:29am
  - Alien
    
    Don’t think labour are holding them anymore until after the court case
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:36am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I would say that there is a marked difference between doing research on a treasury website and finding this information than say, sending your party president on a dirt digging mission to Australia for the sole purpose of finding dirt on John Key, then falsely claiming that you have it.
  
  Anyone on the Treasury Website for Honest Reasons would have found this information as it was there for all to see. The fact that you see it as shifty probably says more about you than Bridges.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:31am
  - Alien
    
    Or sending a mole into a party conference to ask questions and record the conversations the mps are having
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:42am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Indeed; a chap by the name of Kees Keizer. Is that ethical Martin?
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:07am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Martin says this undercover activity is acceptable ’cause National did it first! Maybe Perhaps I have no idea
        
        #labourhipocriticalidealoguessinceforeveraswellassanctimiousarseholes
        
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        May 31, 2019 10:22am
- Kevin Herlihy
  
  Actually it is the mandarins at Treasury who have egg on their faces this morning for coming up with the cock and bull story of being hacked.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    And do you really think that call to the police was made without robertson’s knowledge and consent?
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:34am
    - Alien
      
      Heck even Jacinda would of been part of that decision and she barely does anything, smile look at camera, twirl hair, oh can you photoshop that photo please, yes do a Helen on it
      
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      May 31, 2019 12:47pm
    - Paulus
      
      Understand that calling the Police was on the advice given by the GCSB Cyber Division to Treasury, who were first there – as is their job.
      
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      May 31, 2019 2:15pm
- michael_s2
  
  If you are going to comment, make it factual and not just more left-wing trolling.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:48am
- The King
  
  Cool story Martin, you want to know what makes the public uneasy?
  
  Our Prime Minister wearing a hijab.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:54am
  - Alien
    
    Your could of just said
    
    “ you want to know what makes the public uneasy?
    
    Our Prime Minister”
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:17am
RW Capitalist

Brought forward
Time to vote
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2019/05/poll-is-there-anything-in-the-budget-for-you.html
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May 31, 2019 8:06am
- Local Miller
  
  87% NO when I voted.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:33am
- MCos
  
  ‘Is there anything in the budget for you?’
  
  What sort of question is that?
  It shouldn’t be all about me me me . . .
  That’s the sort of question you ask people when they get married.
  
  I would suggest a better question would be something like
  ‘Are you satisfied with the way the money has been allocated in the budget?’
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:40am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Right. So an admission that some have to suffer to fund government excess.
    
    If you can explain why I will have to work harder to stand still so that those who choose to not leave their couches can have their lot improved I’m more than willing to listen.
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:59am
    - MCos
      
      Taxpayers fund a lot more than those idle who can convince WINZ they need to be.
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:13am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Absolutely, but one of the specific takeaways from yesterday is that benefits will be linked to average earnings rather than the CPI
        
        ie I will have to pay more tax, therefore I will have to make more to take home the same as I do now so that the nephs can not go to work and play Playstation.
        
        So they get an index-linked annual pay rise while doing nothing more than they do now (still nothing). I on the other don’t get that and will have to do more to take home what I do now – which in real terms means falling behind where I am now because inflation.
        
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        May 31, 2019 9:20am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Oh and it follows that if I do better so do those nephs. So yeah, they’re riding on the back of my hard work.
        
        Personally, and I’m only partially joking, I’d give ’em all the piss they can drink, all the weed they can smoke, all the fags they can puff on. At least they won’t be out on the rob and they’ll die early.
        
        With a bit of luck they’ll also be too bloated and lethargic to reproduce, although lacing the booze with bromide would have the desired result too.
        
        Two generations of that should see the back of them.
        
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        May 31, 2019 9:37am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        BTW Still waiting to hear why you believe that I should have to work harder to fund “pay-rises” for the non-productive element of NZ society.
        
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        May 31, 2019 10:56am
  - double d
    
    that is an interesting comment.
    Do you think people vote with a view of what is in the best interests of NZ in the long-term view or what is in it for me in the short medium term.
    If you really believe that people act with altruism I would suggest you are naive.
    A traditional budget sets a financial narrative for how OUR taxes are spent and therefore tax was usually a strong focus. With the coalition government failing on their Capital Tax initiative, there has been no focus on tax at all.
    Therefore it is a discussion on how MORE money is spent. It isn’t a discussion on how money will be spent and measured for effectiveness. It is just on how this government will spend more and more with no focus on how we will grow our economy to ensure the spending has a funding source.
    I digress. No, I am not satisfied with how money has been allocated in this budget as it places no focus on wealth creation and focuses on spending a lot, fast with no measure of effectiveness.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:00am
  - Local Miller
    
    While I understand your sentiment, I don’t really agree. As the TAX Payer, I want to know what is being done with my money, for the TAX Payer, i.e. ME and others like me.
    While I don’t begrudge honest social benefits the support they need, I want to see some of my money being used for things I require such as improved roads, tax cut.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:12am
lilman

Saw a rape in the house yesterday ,Cindy raped 3 people,that I saw ,Robbo 2.

Mallard will be holding a media brief …………..?
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May 31, 2019 8:09am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Media underwear? Tut, tut.
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:36am
Tomsk

Have you noticed how many journalists make the claim that Bridges should have been ‘responsible’ and informed the authorities about the lax security around the budget. Don’t they realise that the budget is a highly politicised document and National was doing its job?
It also shows how biased they are as they are criticising National for not being responsible . And hypocritical because what decent reporter doesn’t exploit a leak.
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May 31, 2019 8:14am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Leaks are a reporter’s stock in trade, especially those in the political arena. And of course journalists have a code of conduct that they NEVER reveal a source.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:30am
  - G152
    
    Any chance we could get an investigative journalist onto the case?
    I’m sure Peters litany of lies would be a start, Mallards slandering a member of staff and the touchee feelie at the labour party pissup could follow…
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    Leaks…. truckload dumps more like.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:28am
  - Piniwi
    
    Perhaps TS just a lot of sour grapes from so called journalists who all missed a scoop that was at their fingertips without having to get out of their seat. Post the budget delivery the thunder stolen so deftly by Simon Bridges is the highlight followed by his contribution to the post budget debate. It kept old WP awake but he quickly nodded off when the PM started on about baby shoes. Lol
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:58pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  To put in journalese (those of a sensitive disposition look away now):
  
  They should have r*ped the f*ck out of the server and then told the authorities – had they been slapped with an injunction over some inconsequential material it would have been hilarious.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:03am
Maggie Pie

When this popped up on my Twitter-feed last nite i thought to myself, perhaps this has been the plan all along – keep Julian Assange on the equivalent of ‘Death Row’ until he karks it anyway. I know whenever Ive tried to discuss this with my partner he always sez, “Why should we give a f~~k? Its not like hes family or anything”.
He comes across as sooo uncaring sometimes 🙁

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1133847992656715776
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May 31, 2019 8:16am
- Poppa
  
  Your partner sounds like a very wise man Maggie
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:28am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Yeah well that release is bollocks
  
  He wasn’t “isolated and gagged” he was told to stop using the internet for politicking as it meant the embassy was breaching the political asylum t&cs
  
  He also regularly defamed his embassy hosts, wouldn’t tidy his room, wouldn’t do the washing up and wouldn’t empty his cat’s litter tray
  
  Worst. House. Guest. Ever.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:54am
  - Alien
    
    Ummm, you’re saying he was being a teenager.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:10am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      I hate you!
      
      Not sure he’s ever stopped being a teenager tbf
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:15am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        You forgot the first part of the ‘I hate you’ mantra and that is ‘it’s not fair!’
        
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        May 31, 2019 2:28pm
      - Alien
        
        I’m just hoping he realises I’m not his, in these days and times, his father or mother
        
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        May 31, 2019 2:40pm
kevn

Looks as though the media have been told to can the whole Treasury caper. Nary a peep.
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May 31, 2019 8:17am
- rockape
  
  Maybe so but I bet the ratings for Question time are going up.
  
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  May 31, 2019 11:33am
Happychappy

Until the NZ voter wake up to the fact that Winston Peter’s is the scourge of our politics with lies and deceit his main contribution the sooner we will move on and create a fair and better country for all to live in. At the moment Mr 7% gets 70% of the pot in budgets to save a party that he leads with bribes and what some call corrupt policy for some of his donors.
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May 31, 2019 8:23am
- sooty
  
  Pretty horses and his backers got a top up!
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:37am
- Alien
  
  Peters is like that uncle no one wants to admit is related to them, they ignore him, leave him in a corner in his own alcoholic coma and hope that he goes away.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:44am
secondcumming

According to Hoots there’s growing speculation that *Makhlouf* will be given the DCM at 4pm today.

I’ve always found Matthew to be a bit like DPF with his inside info……he’s not often wrong.
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May 31, 2019 8:35am
- Tony Stuart
  
  4pm on Friday seems to be the “in” time for dropping bad news, especially on the eve of a holiday weekend.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:00am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Robbo knows how to shift the blame, or any ‘splatter’ from any pesky evidence.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:56am
- kevn
  
  Friday is always the day for awkward CoL news.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:03am
- srylands
  
  It would only be symbolic. He is due to leave at the end of June.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:06am
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    And as the incoming governor of the Central Bank of Ireland (and the first non-Irish national to hold the job) , you can bet ☘Makh the knifed☘ will be going to a higher salary.
    
    Mahklouf succeeds Philip Lane, who is off to be chief economist at the European Central Bank and will sit on the governing council of the bank.
    
    Reuters reported this of Mahklouf’s appointment, beginning with a quote from Ireland’s Finance Minister, Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe:
    
    “Gabriel [Makhlouf] has demonstrated his broad and detailed knowledge, of economics, financial markets, monetary policy, and fiscal policy, and has the experience of leading a large and complex public service organization of 10,000 people.”
    
    The son of United Nations diplomats, Makhlouf was born in Cairo of British and Greek parentage and has a degree in economics from Britain’s University of Exeter.
    
    He became head of the New Zealand Treasury in 2011, where he has also been the government’s chief economic and financial adviser. In New Zealand, he played a leading role in the government’s public and private sector diversity and inclusion drive and was recently named an observer on the Reserve Bank of New Zealand’s newly-formed Monetary Policy Committee.
    
    Makh, aged 58, has been big on diversity, with a Maorification drive near the end of his reign at Treasury.
    
    In getting the Irish job, he was chosen ahead of an Irish woman on the short list. One for the old white men, eh?
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:39am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Why do they still want him after this debacle??
      
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      May 31, 2019 11:19am
- double d
  
  I have nothing but contempt with the highhanded and disdainful way this government “manages” information.
  Having a PM with a degree in spin, they cynically manipulate bad news and shamelessly select facts to promote their agendas.
  I believe some of the damage this lot are doing to NZ will be difficult to reverse and worry about our future generations.
  This budget sends a clear message that it is OK to accept welfare as a way of life and have removed any punitive measures (and therefore have changed the social contract that states that welfare is a helping hand, rather than a lifestyle choice) which will entrench current AND FUTURE generations into non-productive lives.
  It is just so sad.
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:07am
- rockape
  
  Hard until the results of the investigation are released. he could sue for damage to reputation. The buck stops with the minister.
  
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  May 31, 2019 11:34am
mark15

Did Bridges reveal how the budget information was gained?
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May 31, 2019 8:36am
- Alien
  
  Yes, by using the search feature on the treasury website.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:52am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Russians!!!
  
  Oh, hang on…
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:57am
  - Alien
    
    No silly, Russians are America’s excuse, Chinese are the kiwi version.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:38am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      GPWM – I’ll remember that
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:56am
namron

You’ll hear me shouting and screaming in “agony” if I hear/read of SIR Whinney on Monday!
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May 31, 2019 8:38am
- MCos
  
  Pretty sure there won’t be a Sir Gabriel
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:20am
Swifty

Auckland mother of nine is critical of the budget because she will continue to struggle living on community handouts:

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/auckland-mother-nine-disappointed-lack-support-after-todays-budget-announcement

Playing this video to all NZ schoolchildren every Monday at 9am, every week of the school year and accompanied by pointed commentary, will do more to alleviate longterm irresponsibility and dropkickness in this country than anything else I can think of.
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May 31, 2019 8:42am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Yeah I saw that. Nine feckin’ kids FFS. Close your legs luv and try finding a job for once.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:48am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  In evolutionary terms this is what a winner looks like. 9 kids who will likely survive to adulthood and have kids of their own.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:38am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Oh look I “hacked*” some information on our mother of nine.
  
  https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/TTV2/PDF/4133355-Tenancy_Tribunal_Order.pdf
  
  *used the search function on an open government server
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:50am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I wonder how old the youngest child is?
    
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    May 31, 2019 11:00am
- Doubledimp
  
  Should we start a “discussion” about limits on welfare support for more than 2 children? Labour wont do it, it will offend those from other cultures who traditionally have large families and vote left. I know the Tories in the UK put a cap on child benefits at 2 children, and a maximum limit on benefits of $23K (which caused a “stampede to the job centre”)
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:11am
- Local Miller
  
  12 people in her household, so mother + 9 kids + 2 other (adults?) This begs the questions:
  Where are the father(s)?
  What about the others in the house, what do they contribute?
  I’d also love to know the age range of the kids, and her age. Looks like 1 child every 18 months since she was a teenager. This is just breeding further welfare dependence.
  
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  May 31, 2019 11:11am
- Classic Liberal
  
  OMG!
  
  1. Very young considering she has 9 kids.
  2. Very fat considering her ‘lack of food’.
  3. Very ‘entitled’ to reproduce and be funded by the taxpayer.
  
  I just don’t get it. If you can’t support children, *don’t have them*!! If you love children that much, just work in a childcare centre until you’ve earned enough and met a decent guy to set up a good future when you *later* have kids.
  
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  May 31, 2019 11:30am
- rockape
  
  Yes, but they need to add a safe sex vid as well.
  
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  May 31, 2019 11:35am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The payments for dependent children administered under the item WFF have not been changed. Some subsidiary main benefits have now notionally been linked to wage rates. Largely smoke & mirrors.
  
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  May 31, 2019 12:32pm
WaveyDavey

Firstly Martin, it’s the job of the opposition to “snoop” as you so colourfully put it and find weaknesses in the government.

The embargo is a particular squirrel that’s being let loose at the moment, usually by those who don’t actually know what an embargo is of course.

Information released under an embargo is covered by that embargo. This is an agreement entered into by both parties.

That same information, discovered in a different way is not subject to the terms of the embargo.

An easy way to explain why this has to be the case is: if a journo was digging and found information that someone didn’t want released, that person could release the information under embargo and control its dissemination – as I said an embargo only covers the info released that way and agreed to by both sides.

Digging around an open server and finding info (a) isn’t illegal and (b) isn’t constrained by the embargo terms that relate to an officially released document.

As I said yesterday, the journos are stroppy because they didn’t think to do it themselves. I’d suggest that’s because the media companies have done away with the experienced and wise old heads and replaced them with pretty and cheap talent.

I think Barely Sober’s only excuse is that he was occupied elsewhere but Pol Corrs and Bus Eds have no excuse for not assigning someone to the task.
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May 31, 2019 8:47am
- Martin Williams
  
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  If Bridges and Bishop had any idea of how to act honourably they would have alerted the relevant people and then the media of the breach as a result of their snooping.
  
  Now it looks to the voter like they did it for personal political gain rather than for the public good.
  
  Not very prime-ministerial…
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:07am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    WTAF are you banging on about?
    
    It’s all politics, it’s all about political gain.
    
    You’re talking about touchy-feely NGO-style cobblers not the real, grown-up business of politics.
    
    You can try and spin it much as you like but the govt in the form of Treasury cocked up, then they compounded the issue by lying to the country, again aided and abetted by Treasury.
    
    It was a great get, a good hit and any journo who had done this would have been lauded in the newsroom and down the pub for days.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:13am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Would this lefty lot of media released it thought, or would they just have covered for the government again?
      
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      May 31, 2019 11:02am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    John Armstrong on ethics:
    
    While we are mentioning Bridges, let’s deal with the bogus claims of his critics that his accessing of Budget documents was unethical, even if it was not unlawful. That is nonsense. Since the dawn of time, it has been incumbent on Opposition parties that they expose faults and failings in the policies and procedures adopted by the government of the day.
    
    In revealing that the Treasury’s notion of what passes for Budget secrecy is screamingly flawed, Bridges has acted in the public interest.
    
    Can his critics in Labour’s ranks put their hands on their hearts and affirm they would do things differently if they faced the same circumstances in Opposition? Of course not.
    
    Bridges has simply been doing his job. On this week’s form, it is conceivable that he is going to be doing it a lot longer than both friend and foe have been predicting.
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrongs-opinion-grant-robertson-and-treasury-boss-should-resign-over-budget-data-leak
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:15am
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      Since the dawn of time, eh? Did Stephen Hawking know about this? ?
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:46am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Oh dear, you’re really not as smart (or as funny) as you think you are.
        
        The expression “the dawn of time” has nothing to do with the big bang and everything to do with the beginning of civilisation – so yeah it is accurate in the context in which it was used.
        
        Let me guess, you’re under 35, NZ state educated (of sorts) and think history began in the noughties.
        
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        May 31, 2019 11:03am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        OK MW, back then organisms just ate each other up. Boy, you’re really getting desperate now. Choose your battles…
        
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        May 31, 2019 11:35am
  - Alien
    
    If Helen Clark ever acted ethically and honourable many journalists wouldn’t of got info pushed under their door leaking details to them from her in a brown Envelope
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:19am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Her Auckland home and constituency office were within walking distance of the old Fairfax building.
      
      Not that she ever walked there when there were ministerial vehicles available.
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:45am
      - sooty
        
        Just took the broomstick. Specical landing pad and cupboard on the roof!
        
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        May 31, 2019 10:02am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Large flat white waiting on the conference table for when she arrived actually.
        
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        May 31, 2019 11:04am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Ask former Police Commissioner Peter Doone about Helen Clark and leaks to journalists…
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:10am
  - Swifty
    
    Speaking of which, it was the Labour party who, by promising to reverse the sales, wiped Billions of dollars off the funds received by NZers when National sold minority stakes in the power companies.
    
    Never in NZ’s history has naked political ambition been so costly to NZers.
    
    Labour should still be hanging their heads in abject shame over that one.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:20am
    - Alien
      
      Thought Winnie was buying them back, hmmmm.
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:39am
      - Swifty
        
        Yes, a good point. What happened to that? Winnie just making shit up again?
        
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        May 31, 2019 10:12am
  - chuk
    
    And how Prime Ministerial was it to get the Police involved when Labour already knew no hacking had taken place. This sort of action puts the Government in the same ethical class as many corrupt 3rd world countries, not the sort we should feel comfortable being compared with.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:49am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Especially when freedom of speech is so high on the agenda.
      
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      May 31, 2019 11:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    There must be terror in the lefty ranks, we have 2 numb nuts “deflecting” today.
    
    Awesome, I love their responses and it shows they have taken a huge hit here and are desperate to alter the narrative.
    
    Sorry boys and girls, ardern, robertson, peters etc have shown themselves to be bloody liars, they have shown that they are also without dignity or conscience, just grubby little troughers.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:20am
    - Alien
      
      What they have shown that their core base is starting to learn, especially the ones striking, you can’t believe a dean thing they say or promise you
      
      And I love the goats attempts with national where is the money coming for what you promise. Ah, simple, no Shane Jones bribe fund, no free university bribe. So many areas labour have thrown money down a deep dark hole that can be used for good
      
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      May 31, 2019 2:42pm
dubya

The newspapers have been consulting lawyers, two in particular, regarding the legality of the budget ‘hack’. Those lawyers are Felix Geiringer and Steven Price. Both of these lawyers have acted for Nicky Hagar.
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May 31, 2019 8:48am
- Swifty
  
  What a total stitchup.
  
  The media think we’re stupid.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:57am
- Tall Man
  
  As I said, who listens to a cat…………
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:16am
Alien

Worth the read

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12236068

“And underlying all of this, the part that really grinds my gears, is the fact the biggest bully of them all, Speaker Trevor Mallard, has seemingly had his own scandalous behaviour kicked under the carpet and usurped by all this.

It feels wrong to me that he gets off the hook.

Where is the accountability?

This man cried rape, ran a man out of work over it, killed that man’s reputation, conducted the whole thing inexplicably through the media in a very public forum – and has now retreated along with the PM claiming it “shouldn’t be played out in the media”.”
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May 31, 2019 8:49am
- Swifty
  
  Labour politicians playing fast and loose with people’s lives once again.
  
  They’d shop their own grannies if they thought it would help them politically.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:59am
- Martin Williams
  
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  You think that’s worth a read?
  
  Say a lot about you.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:08am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It also says a lot about you Martin, that you’re so intolerant of the rights of others to have an opinion.
    
    Opinions are like a-holes; everybody has one. That doesn’t mean though that one has to BE one!
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:11am
  - Alien
    
    Actually yes I do, but hey in this grown up world if something doesn’t interest you then you put your big boy or girl pants on and don’t read it, much like the crap you post not worth reading.
    
    I realise there are people in this world who have no problem with a politician tarnishing a citizens life and making it a living hell by making unfounded accusations to the media that shouldn’t be made.
    
    Actually that article shows what a fool you are because she actually goes on to talk about how bridges was in the wrong. Says a lot about you when you mouth off something then don’t even support a journalist saying it, troll away.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:22am
    - chuk
      
      He didn’t read that far down the article I expect. Limited comprehension skills; maybe he should be more attentive at school today.
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:55am
      - Tall Man
        
        Maybe should “go” to school today.
        
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        May 31, 2019 10:15am
  - Swifty
    
    It is actually, and quite notable – given that Hawkesby is such a lefty and has been for such a long time.
    
    It speaks to the disillusionment with this government now felt by so many of its erstwhile supporters.
    
    Key’s honeymoon period went on for years and years – because he actually delivered.
    
    Labour and Cindy’s lipstick has worn off only part of the way through their first term!
    
    Behold, the pig!
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:04am
Happychappy

Proof is in the delivery of policy well if that was the case why didn’t Jacinda carry on with Bill English reduction of poverty which was working with the figures to prove it. No that would mean producing facts which is a tad above Jacinda’s mentality and to prove that why has it taken her two years to do something about it as she told people in Parliament that it was a travesty that her bill was not drawn from the ballot as it would have saved thosands in poverty.
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May 31, 2019 8:52am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Interestingly, some of the measures announced yesterday sound very similar to Sir Bill’s Social Investment Approach, but with a different name.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:02am
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    Labour wouldn’t change the name, that would mean the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership is really just, oh no, the same agreement with a different name
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:07am
  - srylands
    
    The government left the SIA in place. Quietly.
    
    https://sia.govt.nz/
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:15am
    - Tall Man
      
      “We’re a small team who work to make a difference. By analysing data, we’re supporting the social system to better understand how we can best invest in the social wellbeing of New Zealanders.”
      
      Wondering how they’re getting on without the data……
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:14am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Like the call centre ad?
        
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        May 31, 2019 1:49pm
ste3e

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Who needs Russia when you have Simon Bridges? And what with lies here and lies there soviet state censorship, redundant in a wash of false news. The Americans should be so proud.
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May 31, 2019 9:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I imagine every Russian, Ukrainian and Nigerian hacker already have their viruses, worms and Trojans installed on the Bank of Ireland’s computers.
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:54am
srylands

Yes powerful vested interests stopped you winning the election. Your bat shit policies had nothing to do with it. ?

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-30/bill-shorten-takes-aim-at-corporate-leviathans-federal-election/11164318?pfmredir=sm
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- ste3e
  
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  Yes of course National’s bat shit policies had something to do with the fact that they are opposition. No houses. Children living in cars. No teachers. Redundant land without trees. Pfeh.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:40am
  - michael_s2
    
    National are inOpposition despite outpolling Labour by tens of thousands of vote and having 600 per cent more support than each of Peters and theGreens.
    
    The children in cars, problems with teachers , child poverty, land use etc are all worse after 18 months of Ardern, Peters et al than they were under National.
    
    If you are going to troll base your comments on a modicum of facts.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:07am
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      MMP is not FPP. The majority of citizens voted against National. I do commiserate. Neo-liberalism has failed and you cannot move on.
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:21am
      - Swifty
        
        ‘Neo-liberalism has failed and you cannot move on.’
        
        Capitalism has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty in the last couple of decades alone.
        
        Even in mixed economies it has been free enterprise that has created the wealth subsequently used by governments to fund their social policies.
        
        Wake up. Your student quadrangle slogans won’t work around here. We know them for what they are. Empty.
        
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        May 31, 2019 10:54am
      - rangitoto
        
        “Socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money” #New Venezueland.
        
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        May 31, 2019 11:57am
  - kevn
    
    A new contender for ‘Downtick King’.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ignorance can be cured with education, stupidity not so much.
    
    Guess where you fit in there………
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:12am
  - double d
    
    Learn to present an argument in a coherent way and you may get a decent reception.
    Repeating Labour talking points that clearly are just that – talking points/slogans – without substance, makes you appear to be just silly.
    No houses – really. Do we all live in mud huts?
    Children living in cars – my children live in my house with me. What children? Have they magically found houses to live in since this government took office? (the answer is no)
    No teachers – I turned on the telly Wednesday and am pretty sure I saw tens of thousands of teachers that are unhappy with Labours bat-shit policies.
    Redundant land without trees – I have no idea what that means.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:19am
    - ste3e
      
      Don’t be ridiculous. If I wanted to be liked I wouldn’t be here would I? And that not all children live in cars is not equivalent to no children live in cars. The difference is that Nat policies led to the situation, while at least Lab policies attempt to redress it.
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:38am
      - Garbageman
        
        Hey he has a point the homeless only started existing under National because its mostly vanished from any media reporting since brand Jacinda took office and when she is thrown out on her ass and those nasty neo-liberal (capitalists for normal folk) Nats get back in they will drive everyone back into cars and the streets, sigh another long 9 years of neglect ahead for u & i eh ste3e
        
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        May 31, 2019 1:08pm
  - Swifty
    
    At the 2017 election, more New Zealanders supported National than Labour and the Greens COMBINED.
    
    I wonder why that was?
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:19am
  - alloytoo
    
    and yet nothing has changed since Labour.
    
    No more house than were already planned.
    
    Fewer teachers and Shane’s cuzzies couldn’t be arsed to get off the couch.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:27am
thetiedarch

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/113133222/youth-on-christchurch-terror-attack-video-sharing-charge-gets-bail

Two months on remand for sharing a video. I know it’s a truly disturbing video – and that the kid is probably guilty of sharing it, but yet I still feel uncomfortable about this. I’m not sure I can really explain why.

It’s reliant on an objective decision as to what constitutes ‘disturbing’ material. Objectively, what is the difference between the video he shared and the violent video games and movies that people see on a daily basis (yes, I know that people actually die in this video).

In a sense, censoring and punishing people for watching or sharing videos like this is an aspect of censoring freedom of speech (yea, at a stretch). But if someone can deem this video as ‘disturbing material’, then what’s to say someone decides videos of say, Ardern with CGI horse teeth is ‘disturbing’ and should be banned?
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May 31, 2019 9:22am
- Alien
  
  I believe the video should be censored. I also do not believe that media should be running stories with dead bodies in it like the Syria gassing. But I’m prejudiced, I hate the media for running a print story showing a photo of a crashed car with my little brothers body still in it, they couldn’t even wait for the body to be removed.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:34am
- fernglas
  
  It’s more simple than that. It was an overreaction to a matter of profound public horror, which at least proves that Judges are in tune with what happens in the world, even if they aren’t necessarily as objective as they should be.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:39am
- WaveyDavey
  
  A couple of points:
  
  1. I also shared the video – sent a link to a former newsroom colleague before the usual suspect pile on.
  
  2. Where was our Chief Censor when ISIS beheading, burning alive, melting in barrels of acid videos were freely available?
  
  2(b). See also Hamas, Hezbollah teaching gay men how to fly.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:54am
  - stephieboy
    
    WaveyDavey, and others do these kind of videos have some special depraved appeal to those like you?
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:26am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      You’ve heard of this concept called news have you?
      
      I know it doesn’t often feature in hagiographical pages of NZ’s print media or airwaves but outside in the wider world it still does.
      
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      May 31, 2019 6:46pm
- The King
  
  Its a victimless crime, nobody, literally nobody got hurt from this kid sharing a video, once the feral antifa media journos get to release his name his life will be ruined and he will be hunted by their pack minions.
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:00am
- Jack5
  
  Comparing sentences, both in Christchurch:
  
  The young Muslim refugee who planned to massacre Christchurch locals by car and knife was sentenced to two years of intensive supervision, which came to include golf lessons:
  
  https://courtnews.co.nz/2019/04/09/teen-rejects-extremism/
  
  The two-month remand in custody of the 16-year-old on the video charge:
  
  https://courtnews.co.nz/2019/05/30/16-year-old-on-mosque-video-charge/
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:07am
- waikatogirl
  
  Difficult for some of those who indulge in playing make-believe violent videos to differentiate when seeing the real thing.
  
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  May 31, 2019 5:32pm
Jack5

Stuff, pushing multiculturism as usual, reports on an Auckland woman who works at a Catholic church but has two sons who have converted to Islam.

We look forward to the balancing story of a Muslim mum who works at a mosque and has two sons who converted to Christianity.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112633634/ally-hawkes-works-at-a-catholic-church-and-has-two-sons-who-converted-to-islam
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May 31, 2019 9:27am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Being a muslim is great if you desire a compliant house-slave who must do your bidding, or if you are an arsehole or looser that no free-women would ever want to touch. So maybe this is a sensible choice for under-performing men.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:45am
  - Shut the hell up you Fascist!
    
    This is hate speech. The police should investigate.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:34am
- WaveyDavey
  
  It would need to be headlined “Sons on the run” given that the Islamic punishment for apostacy is death.
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:51am
Maggie Pie

Twitter can be PURE GOLD sometimes!
Ive re-tweeted this to all my followers and thort i would share it with the group here as well. Watch as old white lady in Mississippi campground pulls a gun on black couple having a picnic and orders them to leave. Only in America 🙂

https://twitter.com/indy100/status/1134047550162386944

(just click on the ‘indy100.com’ link to watch vid – its hiliarious!)
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May 31, 2019 9:39am
- Stephen James
  
  They didn’t have a reservation.
  No proof this woman is racist at all with a 50ish percent chance a person/couple in America would be of colour.
  She might be nuts or just fed up with freeloaders but again no proof she is racist.
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:10am
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    @Stephen… Her past experiences with … picnickers might be showing.
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:21am
BrownSnake

Kia Ora Comrade Sheep Lovers

and all the

Naturalist Socialist Sheep Farmers of NZ
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May 31, 2019 10:00am
- Swifty
  
  Can you not at least wait until the sun is over the yard-arm?
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:23am
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    Aussie…. no surprises there”
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:39am
Yvette

Considering the Budget was rather ordinary and gives millions to health and education pretty much as budgets always have, was it wise to attempt to pass it off as some novel new well-being exercise (as Ardern promoted it at the United Nations, and has so hyped it here and internationally since) when the corollary of that position must basically emphasise New Zealand at present should be on the List of Shithole Counties.

As the Guardian UK, international edition, observes –
New Zealand ‘wellbeing’ budget promises billions to care for most vulnerable
Measures to combat family violence also received a record investment of $320m, in a bid to tackle the country’s entrenched family and sexual violence statistics, which see the police respond to a domestic violence incident every four minutes.

Child wellbeing, long a passionate focus for Ardern, who is in charge of the portfolio, will receive more than $1bn. According to Unicef 27% of New Zealand children live in income poverty, defined as going without necessities such as nutritious food, healthcare, and a warm, dry home.

The Guardian’s correspondent, Eleanor Ainge Roy in Dunedin, does report –
After more than a year of curiosity and speculation, New Zealand’s Labour coalition government has unveiled its “world-first” wellbeing budget, to widespread praise from social agencies charged with looking after the country’s most vulnerable people.

But also –
Ang Jury, director of Women’s Refuge said the increased spending was urgently needed and her sector was “over the moon”, despite Women’s Refuge itself not receiving a boost.
New Zealand is among the worst for family and sexual violence in the OECD.

Or –
Close to half a billion would be spent on new frontline mental health workers stationed in doctor’s surgeries and Indigenous clinics, with the government aiming to help 325,000 people with “mild to moderate” mental health and addiction needs by 2023-24.

Note two things in this: “Indigenous clinics” with a capital ‘i’, and
the indicative proof that “325,000 people” are moderately mad – must be – because their needs won’t have been met until 2023-24 … so don’t visit New Zealand until after then.
[may change – there should be an Election in 2020]

Is Ardern’s “Well-being Budget” a wishful “Get Well” card – just another bloody slogan
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May 31, 2019 10:06am
- Alien
  
  Worlds first, Sir Bill English released better wellbeing budgets. Just because you throw well being in the title doesn’t make it so.
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:21am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep ,this wellness thing is just political jargon , hyped up by a compliant left wing media.
    
    No amount of money is going to fix domestic violence , child poverty or mental illness.
    
    I ‘d be willing to place $100 that in 5 or ten years time all those problems will actually be worse…….
    
    …unless people start to take personal responsibility for their own lives and circumstances ( within reason)
    
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    May 31, 2019 11:15am
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      You have a government that currently takes no personal responsibility, can’t expect people to when their government doesn’t
      
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      May 31, 2019 12:55pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It would have been less deceitful if payments for children had actually been increased. WFF is the mechanism through which nearly all child payments are made and that has not been changed.
  
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  May 31, 2019 12:45pm
Maggie Pie

Random question for the group:
Is Milt psycho?
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May 31, 2019 10:13am
- Tony Stuart
  
  No more or less psycho than any of us, I would imagine Maggie.
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:15am
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggie Pie , infantile quesrion with an equally infantile response by Natman Tony Stuart!
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:21am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    “Infantile” stephie? I was defending him!
    
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    May 31, 2019 10:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      You need to remember, ‘
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      steffy = stupid.
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:40am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Honestly stephie – what the f~~k would you no 🙁
    Earlier on i was going back thru all my posts from yesterday to count how many ‘upticks’ id got. It was only then i saw PM had (for some strange reason) asked, “whether or not i fantasised about the sex lives of homosexuals?” Hence my comment today.
    
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    May 31, 2019 11:50am
- alloytoo
  
  Well the pin he dances on is pretty battered, much like the PM’s
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:34am
- Yvette
  
  Is Milt psycho? If so, Maggie, he may get some help by 2023-24
  
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  May 31, 2019 10:42am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And the beauty of that is – you and me will be paying for it
    
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    May 31, 2019 12:11pm
    - Alien
      
      Don’t be silly, you’re a nurse aren’t you, you get paid bugger all.
      
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      May 31, 2019 12:57pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Money isnt everything 🙂
        
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7uKR4qXYAEcn0S?format=jpg&name=small
        
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        May 31, 2019 3:38pm
      - Alien
        
        Agree, I always talk to the nurses, it’s rare to find one that is there for the money, it’s just a shame that nurses didn’t get paid what they are worth and they are worth a shit load more than a back bencher. Every few months we Knight people for what they do, but it is the doctors, nurses, ambo and fire that are the hero’s that need knighting.
        
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        May 31, 2019 4:23pm
- Garbageman
  
  He is one of the more tolerable mutts from The Standard that venture here i think he only goes full psycho after the bottom feeders over there fill his head with marxist trash but he defends his position and thats appreciated unlike the hit & run clowns like … well we all know who
  
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  May 31, 2019 1:18pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Random question for the group:
  Is Milt psycho?
  
  I take it that’s a belated answer to my question from yesterday? All I can say is, I haven’t posted about imagining what Grant Robertson and his partner get up to, but you have, so who’s the weirdo here?
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “but you have, so who’s the weirdo here?”
    
    I saw the post, what you are claiming is a lie and you know it.
    
    Please put up or shut up but I think we all know the truth and it ain’t coming from you.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:19pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World No Tobacco Day!
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May 31, 2019 10:31am
- Tall Man
  
  But can we still get dope?
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:15pm
Swifty

Hosking on Labour’s week:

‘For those of us who aspire for this country to be great, this is the frustration. This lot are hopeless, they’re amateurish, they’re beginners in a professional game. They are taking this country, this economy and its hopes and aspirations, and butchering them.

And to make it worse, they’re obfuscating, stalling, blustering, blundering, and generally behaving appallingly.

And it’s all come to a catastrophic, shambolic head this week. And they’re only halfway through the term.’

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12236096

Ain’t that the truth.
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May 31, 2019 10:41am
Jack5

Oh dear, the multiculturists are targeting India.

The entrants in the “Miss India” pageant are all pale skinned, say critics. One says: ‘This is so white!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7086059/Miss-India-pageant-comes-fire-lack-diversity.html
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May 31, 2019 10:42am
Lee C

Yesterday, Psycho Milt used the term ‘government in waiting’ while disparaging the National Party.
Today, Michael Williams say’ ‘Not very prime-ministerial’ while disparaging Bridges.

What interesting thoughts they have that they need to publicly state what they think they aren’t in such explicit terms.

Just a tip, guys if you are going to undermine another’s credentials, don’t use terms that auto-suggest what you are deep-down afraid of…

Milt is not ‘psycho’ he is ‘loyal’. He has the makings of a great advocate for the dark-side, once the penny drops and he realises he’s been sold the political equivalent of The Eiffel Tower…
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May 31, 2019 10:50am
- Poppa
  
  Speaking of which I wonder if Ztev is still curled up in his corner with his head between his legs?
  
  Maybe he is getting plenty from the wellbeing budget to help him along
  
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  May 31, 2019 11:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    Oh I think he’s back. Look at a couple of the newbies….
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:11pm
- Nookin
  
  I also note that Psycho referred repeatedly to “our” information or documentation as though he was a victim of a crime. I wonder where he sits in the labour party/government?
  I thought his remarks were rather intemperate. Not that he gives a stuff. His sole motivation appears to be outrage that somebody should choose to rain on his parade.
  
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  May 31, 2019 11:35am
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    The reference to “our” data was in the context of “people who have accountability for their organisation’s data.” I have no involvement with Labour or the government.
    
    My “sole motivation” is that National’s pride in and endorsement of data theft will inevitably make things harder for those of us whose jobs include ensuring data privacy. I can’t imagine there’s anyone with accountability for their organisation’s data security who’s chuffed about what National did.
    
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    May 31, 2019 3:42pm
    - Tall Man
      
      What absolute rubbish.
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:13pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “I wonder where he sits in the labour party/government?”
    
    Toilet. He only comes here for his daily dump.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:12pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Lee C: all oppositions are supposed to be credible alternative governments. The current one’s no exception – I was just pointing out the disconnect between that and them exploiting security holes to gain unauthorised access to confidential data. Sure ain’t what I look for in a government…
  
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  May 31, 2019 3:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    We all know what you look for, total stupidity.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:10pm
Jack5

Uh-oh!

German bond yields have plunged a 700-year low, reports the Telegraph.

Yesterday the benchmark 10-year bund yield dropped to minus 0.18 per cent.

Spanish and Portuguese bond yields are also at historic lows.
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May 31, 2019 10:53am
Ross12

This is a long read but worth it. It is about how George Soros goes about his “business” and interference in various country’s political / social / business activities.

http://abouthungary.hu/blog/the-gravedigger-of-the-left/

Written by Dr Maria Schmitt a Hungarian historian and adviser to Vicktor Orban.
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May 31, 2019 11:17am
Maggie Pie

My partner has been following this case quiet closely since it first began. He txt me earlier with the link to this latest story in the NZH. It seems very very odd the way things have been handled by the courts up to now – it does make you wonder?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12235781
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May 31, 2019 11:37am
rangitoto

Ctrl-Lefty Bomber Bradbury is sometimes actually sensible:

“If Labour looked after children in poverty with as much passion as they protect public servants we wouldn’t need a well being budget”
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May 31, 2019 12:10pm
- Alien
  
  Maybe labour has shown the way forward with the budget leak. Hmmm, I wonder if the password to the governments bank accounts is 123password.
  
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  May 31, 2019 12:59pm
Hugh Pavletich

REINZ ( Real Estate Institute of New Zealand ) disappointed housing supply not addressed in Budget 19 | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1905/S00529/reinz-disappointed-housing-supply-not-addressed-in-budget-19.htm

The Real Estate Institute of New Zealand (REINZ) is disappointed that there were no new announcements made in today’s budget that support addressing housing supply when we have a deficit of around 104,000 houses across the country. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Housing & Urban Development Minister Phil Twyfords important late March speech … but where is the ACTION in this ‘year of delivery’ promised by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern …

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

… extract …

… In our view there are three big challenges that have to be addressed:

1. A broken system for financing infrastructure

2. A planning system based on urban containment

3. The failure of governments until now, both local and central, to actively work with the private sector to enable urban growth and expansion.

… concluding …

… I talked about the land banking and speculative economy, and the pressure cooker that has given us some of the most obscenely expensive housing in the world.

These moves are designed to change that. …

… If we do these things we can truly flood the market with development opportunities. We can break the land banking economy, and drive down the cost of urban land.

We can achieve more competitive urban land markets. And industry that is more focused on development and building places of enduring value instead of land banking and speculation.

That is the pathway to more affordable housing, and a systemic fix of the crisis that has caused so much hardship, and sucked so much of our national wealth into residential property instead of the productive economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Important background information via …
http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
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May 31, 2019 1:11pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  A net 27% of respondents to the ANZ Business Outlook survey expect weaker conditions in residential construction, while the employment outlook in the sector is now at a 10-year low too | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/business/99919/net-27-respondents-anz-business-outlook-survey-expect-weaker-conditions-residential
  
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  May 31, 2019 3:52pm
  - sooty
    
    Bloody hell hughie you are really sucking up to labour. Are you really twyfords long lost brother by a different mother!
    
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    May 31, 2019 5:09pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Stop encouraging him… please.
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:08pm
    - stephieboy
      
      sooty, and a summation of your solutions is in order in say six points?
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:17pm
Jack5

Donna Miles-Mojab seems to have open access to Stuff, and she’s giving her views again today.

Miles-Mojab, born in Britain to Iranian parents, is an example of how difficult it is for many Western-born Muslims to integrate with the West.

Her views are cynical about the West if not purely anti-West. Take a column of hers from a year or two back in the Herald. Miles-Mojab argued that ISIS should be dealt with diplomatically as genuine nation states are. She wrote this:

“Isis is a modern state that responds well to the needs of the population under its control. It acts by consensus and by entering into joint ventures with local populations through the tribal leaders.”

For a live taste of Miles-Mojab’s politics, listen to her as moderator/introducer/questioner in the book festival discussion with Mohamed “Ed” Husain.

Husain is an adjunct senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. He was earlier a senior adviser at the Tony Blair Faith Foundation. Husain wrote “The Islamist,” a book about political Islamism and an account of his five years as an Islamist activist.

Miles-Mojab and Husain:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/writers/audio/2018691604/word-christchurch-festival-2018-ed-husain-debates-his-book-the-house-of-islam
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May 31, 2019 1:33pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Simon Bridges took something that was not his to take. If anyone behaved likewise toward you or your business you would be outraged. Thus you are left trying to justify supporting a character who behaves atrociously. The contradiction is your own to resolve.
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May 31, 2019 1:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The contrast on Kiwiblog between approval for Simon Bridges’s use of ‘stolen’ information and condemnation of Nicky Hager’s similar use is quite striking.
  
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  May 31, 2019 2:00pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Is it?
    
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    May 31, 2019 3:28pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Hagar’s information was actually hacked. Supposedly a phishing attack.
    
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    May 31, 2019 3:41pm
  - Alien
    
    The inability of you to tell the difference between information been illegally hacked off a computer and someone publishing the budget online early is astounding.
    
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    May 31, 2019 7:31pm
- Alien
  
  No, once it is publicly on the internet it is fair game. Has your momma never told you don’t put anything online you don’t want the world to know?
  
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  May 31, 2019 2:09pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  It is his business, to identify weakness, it is all our
  business that NZ inc should be as robust as possible.
  
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  May 31, 2019 2:10pm
- Happychappy
  
  If you to be a troll at least put some effort into it, at least do a tad better than being a wanker.
  
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  May 31, 2019 2:14pm
- MrTips
  
  If it was my business I would fire anyone and everyone responsible for hanging our business plan out in public for the competition to view it.
  
  But lefties don’t care for reality. It interferes with their delusions of power.
  
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  May 31, 2019 2:55pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    For some reason, the fact that you would fire someone for making a mistake doesn’t surprise me at all, Tips. Who would Jesus fire?
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:06pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Judas?
      
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      May 31, 2019 8:32pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Are you drunk or something?
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:05pm
- Komata
  
  ste3@1337
  
  Re: ‘Simon Bridges took something that was not his to take’.
  
  A serious allegation: Since you obviously have access to ‘insider’ information, can you prove it?
  
  Thanks.
  
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  May 31, 2019 5:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Since when has a lefty slander needed proof?
    
    These guys are desperately trying to rewrite the narrative.
    
    No one care what they say but hey, it gives me a chuckle watching them flounder like the total morons they are.
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Shane’z da bomb!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/113143586/nz-first-put-an-end-to-capital-gains-tax-shane-jones-says-in-postbudget-speech
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May 31, 2019 1:47pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  That could be the most significant political announcement of the year.
  I have no reason to doubt SJ’s statement.
  
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  May 31, 2019 2:52pm
  - sooty
    
    Things will not be all hugz and feelz in the COL!
    
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    May 31, 2019 5:05pm
- MrTips
  
  Shane, no one could get through because you were always hassling NZTA to cover for your mate Stan. Besides, Winston was awake for once in that cabinet meeting.
  
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  May 31, 2019 2:56pm
mikenmildagain

Seems like that border wall won’t be needed after all, all it will take is (another) trade war: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/113154523/donald-trump-to-pressure-mexico-with-5-tariff-to-stop-migrants
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May 31, 2019 1:58pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Make Mexico pay for the Wall!
  It’s an interesting problem. You’d think Mexico would team up with the US to patrol the Border and also attack the Cartels and finally clean then up.
  Thus reducing the horrendous crime Mexico’s border towns and cities suffer from.
  But Mexico is so corrupt the Govt is probably happy the Cartels use SA illegals to divert US Border Patrol resources so they can then smuggle the drugs over.
  I guess Trump may be thinking by stuffing up the Trade that will create more pressure on the Govt that the Cartels exert.
  I’m not so sure that’s going to work.
  The only thing which will work is change the Law so illegals get taken back over the border and released into Mexico not released into the US- where they just disappear.
  
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  May 31, 2019 2:26pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The only ‘thing which will work’ is reducing the demand by US businesses for immigrant labour. but it’s hard to staff hotels, golf courses, etc, if you need to pay decent wages.
    
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    May 31, 2019 2:29pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      No
      Send them back immediately and don’t let them in. That’ll put the smugglers out of business.
      And the existing 1 million legal immigrants coming into the US can do the labour.
      Them and all the other unskilled labourers already there looking for work.
      A big beautiful Wall will help eh.
      
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      May 31, 2019 3:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You don’t think sanctions on the employers of illegal immigrants would work?
        Trump is implicitly giving up on the wall by starting this extra trade war.
        
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        May 31, 2019 4:06pm
      - Kevin Herlihy
        
        There was also that other war which has been problematic for US and Mexico, and that was the war on drugs.
        The insatiable demand for cocaine and opiates will defy any wall that is built, with cartels finding ingenous ways to get the drugs to market in the US.
        
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        May 31, 2019 4:37pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Trump is implicitly giving up on the wall by starting this extra trade war.’
        
        Lol
        Now you’re really talking crap.
        
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        May 31, 2019 5:29pm
      - Ross12
        
        Within 24 hrs of talking about the tariffs, the Mexicans are asking for an emergency meeting with President Trump.
        That is how the big boys get someones attention !!
        
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        May 31, 2019 5:35pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, completed your Brickie apprenticeship at long last?
        
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        May 31, 2019 8:54pm
cmm

What the hell is going on between Sweden and Russia?

Does anyone have a good idea?
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May 31, 2019 2:34pm
- Alien
  
  Well a quick look to see what is in the news cause I haven’t seen anything lately. I think we can all agree, fatty, don’t go through the fence, you’re too fat
  
  https://www.thelocal.se/20190530/hare-in-sweden-gets-trapped-in-fence-in-tragic-error
  
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  May 31, 2019 2:38pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Are you referring to this? https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/27/scandinavia-wont-be-russias-next-target-putin-nato-finland-sweden-defense-saakashvili-georgia/
  
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  May 31, 2019 3:25pm
Maggie Pie

“Get ready #NZ – Youre about to be taxed to hell !”

https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1134013222296674305

[some of the comments are classic as well 🙂 ]
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May 31, 2019 3:04pm
- Alien
  
  David needs to hire you. Give you a daily Maggie Pie Top Twitter Post Page
  
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  May 31, 2019 5:10pm
Ross12

NZF internal polling must be looking bad. Jones claiming credit for killing off the CGT, which might be true, but using the statement to grease up to the business community tells you something.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12236290

Add that to Shaw’s introductory comments for his speech in reply to the budget announcement and it is obvious all is not a bed of roses in the CoL.
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May 31, 2019 3:50pm
All_on_Red

Wow, looks like Brian Kolfage who Crowd Funded some Border Wall construction has made it happen and it going up.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/we-build-the-wall-private-southwestern-border-wall-construction-group-building-wall-gofundme-money-new-mexico/
I see since this article that they have now been granted the necesssary permits.
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May 31, 2019 4:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  Oh Wow, so where will Brian Kolfgate and Steven Bannon for that matter get the extra crowd funding for the total 1900 miles ?
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7075817/Steve-Bannons-group-built-wall-spanning-one-mile-Mexico-border.html
  
  In Bannon’s case apparently a cheap publicity stunt to win back Trump’s favour
  
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  May 31, 2019 9:29pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    They don’t need 1900 miles
    Again you’ve been told this lots and lots and lots of times but it doesn’t sink in
    You’re not very bright huh
    
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    May 31, 2019 11:32pm
Hugh Pavletich

Shrinking China factory activity, faltering exports inflame economic anxiety – Reuters

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-economy-pmi-manufacturing-offic/shrinking-china-factory-activity-faltering-exports-inflame-economic-anxiety-idUKKCN1T104I

China PMIs sink – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/05/china-pmis-sink-2/
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May 31, 2019 4:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Holy G’moly..
Guns are expensive items….
Who would have known?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113159530/not-enough-funding-in-budget-for-gun-buyback-say-gun-lobby–1b-needed
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May 31, 2019 4:57pm
- Alien
  
  Don’t worry, there will be money found for that, just not for teachers
  
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  May 31, 2019 5:00pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  20% depreciation with a max lifespan of 10 years. I’d say the gun lobby is wildly over-estimating the weapons’ worth, as an opening gambit for haggling. Hopefully the government won’t haggle, just tell them what they’re going to get.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:09pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    10 years?
    Narrator: Leftie displays ignorance about guns
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:35pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘just tell them what they’re going to get’
    Aaaand there’s the authoritarian fascist
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:37pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “Aaaand there’s the authoritarian fascist”
      
      Feeling on the outer without your AR 15 ( bumpstock included ) for starling hunting?
      
      LOL
      
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      May 31, 2019 8:50pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No my little stalker
        You have quite a few ‘issues’ eh.
        
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        May 31, 2019 11:36pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”20% depreciation with a max lifespan of 10 years”……
    
    Someone’s away with fairies here. You can put 20 or 30,000 rounds through a pistol or rifle & it’s likely still as good as new.
    
    Most gun owners wouldn’t fire that many shots in twenty lifetimes end to end!
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      My cousin paid a fortune at the auction recently for a couple that were manufactured before 1900.
      
      These lefties are so full of slogans there’s no room for common sense and intelligence.
      
      Simon Bridges must have really hurt them with all the squirrels they are releasing.
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:23pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I took those figures from Newshub this evening: https://www.threenow.co.nz/shows/newshub-6pm/friday-31-may-2019/122217/M30906-032, watch from 7 minutes onwards.
      
      The relevan part: “IRD already has depreciation rates set for firearms at 20% per annum, and it’s set a useful lifespan of firearms at 10 years.”
      
      If you have a problem with those figures, take it up with the IRD.
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Fascist authoritarian doesn’t understand the nature of collectibility
        Lefties really are dumb
        
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        May 31, 2019 11:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You are really trying to lower the bar on lefty stupidity aren’t you?
    
    The bulk of my firearms are over 30 years old and are appreciating not depreciating but as I’ve said before, you announce your stupidity almost every time you post.
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:54pm
greybeard

Shane Jones is saying anything he can to direct some attention to himself.
He feels sidelined by all the press related to the budget so has to insert himself into the conversation.
This man has some serious mental problems.
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May 31, 2019 5:30pm
- mandk
  
  Not sure about the mental health problems, unless you count being a vainglorious w**ker.
  
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  May 31, 2019 6:57pm
Alien

There were suggestions from Andrew little a while ago that sexual assault cases the defendant should have to prove they are innocent. This is one reason why that should not happen, but also I believe that someone who makes a false rape claim should face the sentence that the person would of faced if found guilty of rape

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12236137

“A woman who made a false rape complaint after her partner broke up with her has been given home detention for lies that caused her victim “a year of anguish”.“
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May 31, 2019 5:46pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  There were suggestions from Andrew little a while ago that sexual assault cases the defendant should have to prove they are innocent.
  
  There were no such suggestions, from Little at least. There was a suggestion that, in cases where the defendant claims the sex was consensual, the onus should be on the defendant to back that claim with evidence. A bridge too far for most people, but nevertheless quite different from what you wrote.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Rape accused would have to prove consent under Labour plan
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11289979
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:26pm
    - Alien
      
      Thanks maggy, and to go with that we also have
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/329767/call-to-shift-burden-of-proof-to-rape-accused
      
      Labour’s sexual violence spokesperson, Mrs Williams has called for radical reform of the sexual justice system which would see rape accusers believed by police as a starting point.
      
      This would place the burden of proof on the accused – directly contradicting the philosophy of “innocent until proven guilty”.
      
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      May 31, 2019 8:45pm
    - stephieboy
      
      That link was published five years ago 2014 . An updated one please.
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:00pm
      - cmm
        
        Why? What he said is what he said.
        
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        May 31, 2019 9:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Why?
        I’ve provided the link to show what Andrew Little advocated.
        
        Anyway, it was well canvassed here on KB at the time:
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/07/labours_official_policy_is_you_must_prove_you_are_not_a_rapist.html
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/07/herald_picks_up_on_labours_policy_to_make_you_prove_consent_if_you_have_sex.html
        
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        May 31, 2019 9:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie is just doing his usual thing being a bullying troll demanding his silly questions be answered
        
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        May 31, 2019 9:45pm
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy,this from the cretin that regurgitated years old stuff about Trump for two years ,F—K off barnyard boy ….
        
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        June 1, 2019 3:30am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Maggy W: thanks for providing that article as support for my comment. As discussed, the onus on the defendant would would apply only when the consent was in dispute.
      
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      May 31, 2019 10:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “The policy would mean that in a rape case, if the Crown proved a sexual encounter and the identity of the defendant, it would be rape unless the defendant could prove it was consensual.”
    
    Is there anyone on the left that can tell the truth…. obviously not based on the lies that have floated around today from the left and your post is no exception.
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:50pm
    - Alien
      
      Aren’t they all the same troll?
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:14pm
nasska

Looks like the Teachers IUOW are to continue their strikes. Secondary schools face five weeks of industrial action.

https://embed.radionz.co.nz/news/national/390986/secondary-schools-face-five-weeks-of-industrial-action

The members of the meatworkers’ unions in the 70s were more professional than these no-hopers.
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May 31, 2019 6:34pm
mandk

Home detention for what this woman did beggars belief.

Not only did she cause her victim harm that is hard to imagine, she has also made it more difficult for real victims of rape to be believed.

I agree that she should have received the same sentence that he would have received, if he had raped her.

Will her victim ever be able to make a full recovery? I suspect not.
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May 31, 2019 6:53pm
- Alien
  
  I hope he has access to the help victims get.
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:34pm
sooty

With the cops new non emergency ph no what happens to the *555 old no?
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May 31, 2019 7:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  Ignored……………..
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:46pm
Happychappy

Winston looking everywhere for a lifeline to save his Party and will spew his bullshit to anyone that will listen.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/113144935/winston-peters-warns-wellbeing-budget-changes-will-take-time
He is a germ and takes every opportunity he gets to slag off National.
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May 31, 2019 7:39pm
- Alien
  
  When you turn around and increase petrol tax the next day your well-being budget is finished, you’ve just put more cost on everyone’s lives, and on the cost of living
  
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  May 31, 2019 8:34pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Alien, does the budget have further taxes on Petrol?
    
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    May 31, 2019 8:58pm
    - Alien
      
      Maybe Stephanie if you are going to make silly comments you should educate yourself. Because if you did you would know that today under urgency the government that you are so fond of increased petrol taxes by 3.5 cents.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12236232
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:13pm
    - Tall Man
      
      For fuck’s sake, are you really that stupid?
      
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      May 31, 2019 9:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But when thou doest alms, let not thy
    left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
    
    – Matthew 6:3
    
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    May 31, 2019 9:38pm
rightoverlabour

more global warming?

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/21/denver-weather-record-breaking-cold/

https://www.sacbee.com/news/weather-news/article230855969.html
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May 31, 2019 9:57pm
The Feed

Oh, whoever could have predicted this? Just so….so….unpredictable.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/26/birmingham-anderton-park-primary-muslim-protests-lgbt-teaching-rights

“Sarah Hewitt-Clarkson is crying. The headteacher at Anderton Park primary school in Birmingham has suffered eight weeks of protests outside her school gates over her decision to teach LGBT-inclusive content to her young pupils, the vast majority of whom are Muslim. ”

What’s your next move, then?

Such a dilemma.
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May 31, 2019 10:48pm
Hugh Pavletich

China’s Economic Troubles Come Into Sharper Focus … Wall Street Journal (behind paywall)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-economic-troubles-come-into-sharper-focus-11559286242

May numbers may be the first reliable guide in a while to how bad things really are—it’s not a pretty picture … read more via hyperlink above (behind paywall) …
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China’s 8.34 million graduates fighting for fewer jobs as vacancies dwindle and gap years increase, survey shows … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3012635/chinas-834-million-graduates-fighting-fewer-jobs-vacancies
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The Migrant Workers Behind China’s Economic Miracle Are Miserable … The Atlantic

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/05/china-migrant-workers-miserable/589423/
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