General Debate 27 May 2019

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krazykiwi

What to avoid in pursuit of wellbeing:
☭ Don’t lie about fiscal hole analysis, then turn around and saddle future generations with billions in loans
☭ Don’t spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a non-existent climate problem
☭ Don’t bribe young voters with so-called ‘free university’, knowing they’ll be paying for it for via increased taxes the rest of their lives
☭ Don’t unconstitutionally wreck entire industries by fiat, causing more than $20b in damage so that a PM can, days later in Europe, flout eco-credentials that future generations have been forced to pay for
☭ Don’t promise those desperate for housing a solution when there’s no idea, and no plan to deliver
☭ Don’t bribe easily-led eco voters with the promise of millions of trees when officials said it wasn’t possible
☭ Don’t give billions of dollars to one man to fritter and waste on his mates in the hope of buying the next election
☭ Don’t remove health-related targets that measure a critical part of achieving wellbeing

It is kafkaesque to continue to call this wellbeing. What is really going on here is the promotion of a narrative that moves scrutiny away from profligate, dependency-creating pork politics, and creates an environment where anyone who criticises the waste can be accused of flinty-heartedness.
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May 27, 2019 8:00am
- hullkiwi
  
  Question, why is RNZ running adverts in Morning Report for the Well Being budget that will come on Thursday?
  
  Where is the objectivity?
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:20am
  - sooty
    
    Labour have spoken!
    Run them or go walking without the pram!
    
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    May 27, 2019 8:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Are they running advts too for the coming debt tsunami–roll up to the financial sea shore with Poohbah and friends and play in the billions of promises.
    
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    May 27, 2019 8:39am
    - Tall Man
      
      I can’t call her a liar and you call her poobah…
      
      Where is the justice in the world……..
      
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      May 27, 2019 9:16pm
  - Gravyman2
    
    It’s all about controlling the narrative. This week there will be a stream of convenient stories about people’s struggles that will all be fixed with your cash on Thursday.
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:17am
  - hullkiwi
    
    While I am on the subject, my comment about RNZ and its advertising for the forthcoming budget reminds me of an advert I saw on TV last night that i thought was pure comedy.
    
    The ad in question features a girl asking the viewer whether they know what they read or see is real or not? With the help of TV she appears to be a holographic. Then it switches to a screen and voice over that assures the viewer that they can trust what they read in the Herald is real.
    
    What cobblers!
    
    When the Herald relies on click bait from Facebook and overseas media sources coupled with significant opinion/commentary. Not all of which is reliable, the chance of reading “real news” and not “fake news” in the Herald is a debateable proposition.
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:41am
    - Jack5
      
      The media and the Leftist coalition pissing in each others’ pockets while NZ becomes more Orwellian?
      
      State funding has been announced for eight reporters for the print media. You can bet this will just be the beginning: State TV, State radio, and now State-subsidised print.
      
      Only publishers who are members of the Newspaper Publishers’ Association will be eligible for subsidised “local democracy reporters”.
      
      Radio NZ describes the reporters as an extension of its sharing of content with 30 media companies (probably this includes the 20 State-subsidised tribal radio stations).
      
      This from the Radio NZ report:
      
      “The objective is to give the New Zealand public an independent and impartial news service on as many platforms as possible,” said RNZ chief executive Paul Thompson.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018696809/publishers-public-broadcaster-and-the-public-purse-back-new-local-news-scheme
      
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      May 27, 2019 11:36am
  - coge
    
    More like the “Well meaning” budget. I can see it getting cut to shreds. If there was an opposition.
    
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    May 27, 2019 11:47am
    - Tall Man
      
      There is. Is it Thursday yet?
      
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      May 27, 2019 9:13pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Who is paying and why?
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:09pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  But what can be done? It’s been demonstrated time and again that promising fabulous things that you’ve no chance of delivering in reality, will get you more votes than promising modest things that are achievable with hard work and patience. There is absolutely no sign that electorates are learning from this experience
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:25am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We need impeachment provisions with punitive prison terms for those who would deceive us with ideology knowing they were otherwise incapable. Pretend politicians are frauds.
    
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    May 27, 2019 8:41am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Kev O’Brien,
      
      we achive the same by 3 year terms followed by General elections.
      
      In other words the court of public/ voter opinion!
      
      Fixed!
      
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      May 27, 2019 9:39am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        No. We need real penalties for those who deceive the public about their ability to govern. Ideology and beliefs without experience are not adequate.
        
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        May 27, 2019 11:15am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  They do have housing ideas and have implemented them. All the ones that make it less attractive to be a landlord and are therefore driving up rents and making thing even tougher for people already struggling.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:38am
- BullyHayes
  
  spot on
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:51am
andrew davies

Golriz Ghahraman is a menace to freedom and her squeeze is a menace to pedestrians.

Is this statement hate speech and, if so, should it be banned?

Discuss.
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May 27, 2019 8:01am
- Rich Prick
  
  Assuming you are male, pale and for the bonus point stale, then yes. If you are the opposite of those things, then it’s just friendly banter between fellow identities.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:57am
  - andrew davies
    
    It is interesting that in all the criticism of David Seymour, to my knowledge, no critic says that he is wrong. Its just that he is supposedly a meanie.
    
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    May 27, 2019 1:30pm
- MickMac
  
  Not hate speech.
  Now where do we find the 100,000 to go out on the streets with signs saying so?
  
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  May 27, 2019 11:59am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  U r a horable Nazi
  signed: 6% of NZ population, including all media.
  
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  May 27, 2019 12:22pm
Maggie Pie

Lauren Southern’s latest video ‘BOARDERLESS’.
You can watch the back-up here before it is taken down. Not to me missed.

https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/1132304806922481665
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May 27, 2019 8:07am
- Wangas Feral
  
  The bit about NGOs smuggling in ISIS fighters as refugees is worrying.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:44am
  - Jules99
    
    The NGO female who thought human traffickers are ‘angels’. Brainwashing is deep on these people.
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It certainly is WG. And its also the Doctors and Nurses with ‘Medecins Sans Frontieres’ that work in those refugee camps that i worry about.
    Even my partner has the same concern for the guys that have to service all those Portaloos every week..
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Wangas Feral, does Southern bother to source and verify her claim?
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:41am
    - Inandout
      
      stephie, you should be more concerned for your friend Nancy Pelosi, and her sanity.
      
      “People who don’t think shouldn’t talk.”
      ― Lewis Carroll
      
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      May 27, 2019 10:24am
      - Tall Man
        
        “People who don’t think shouldn’t talk.”
        
        Like steffy girl.
        
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        May 27, 2019 9:07pm
    - Ross12
      
      Watch the doco and find out. That is, do your own research.
      
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      May 27, 2019 11:27am
Happychappy

These people are not happy unless they are ruling peoples lives and spending taxpayers money.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/experts-urge-businesses-prioritise-employees-wellbeing.
Business is their to make money for their shareholder’s and employ the people they need not what the Government want, they get taxed at the highest rate now they want them to baby sit them also.
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May 27, 2019 8:08am
- alloytoo
  
  Companies which don’t look after staff soon lose them.
  
  The notion that companies don’t care about their employees is a leftist strawman.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:33am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Labour do have this Dickensian view of employers. It’s a pity we cant transport the back to 18th century Europe where they might be able to do some good.
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:00am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      In their mind, they still live there.
      
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      May 27, 2019 10:25am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Their Dickensian view is particularly crazy since most employees have Kiwi Saver investments – i.e. are basically employers in various industries themselves.
      
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      May 27, 2019 11:17am
Paginus

Do you think New Zealand will ever put in to law a mechanism to keep our Anglo roots.
Or are New Zealanders going to go the way of Maori and become a minority in a land they once ruled?
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May 27, 2019 8:14am
- waikatogirl
  
  “Ruled” may be the wrong word, but we certainly paid for the development and building of the infrastructure and care and education of our countrymen and women.
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:38am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Some of the best features of our past are being best kept by hard working Asian immigrants and their next generations: medicine, classical music and decent politeness come to mind.
  
  But infrastructure is a huge issue. Auckland is *full*.
  
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  May 27, 2019 11:36am
Tony Stuart

Imagine the outrage if a National Party MP retweeted a tweet that described a left-leaning politician as “a human stain”.

But wait; there’s more! Isn’t it just a tad hypocritical for an MP who complains about threats to her life and bullying on social media, to endorse this?

David Farrier @davidfarrier

brian & hannah tamaki are easy to mock with their quirks, wealth, fashion & bizarre tweets & interviews. while they don’t have the swell of downtrodden, frustrated racist america like trump did, let’s not forget the hate & fear they also try & spread. they’re awful. a human stain

https://twitter.com/davidfarrier/status/1132068074255933440

Ms Ghahraman; drawing attention to yourself by endorsing “hate speech” via a retweet is a very strange way for someone who is reportedly so afraid that she needs a security escort to behave.
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May 27, 2019 8:14am
- Swifty
  
  Golriz is an awful hypocrite, don’t get me wrong, but KS the issue I have is that this is not ‘hate speech’ in my book, not by any definition worthy of the name.
  
  It’s one guy calling two other people a name. So what.
  
  It’s not by any means directly inciting violence against someone because of their gender, race etc etc.
  
  I really wish we wouldn’t buy in to all this ‘hate speech’ crap.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:30am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    My use of the term “hate speech” was intended to be satirical. I should have put it in quotation marks (and have now done).
    
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    May 27, 2019 8:39am
    - Swifty
      
      Understood.
      
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      May 27, 2019 8:44am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Swifty,” Golriz is an awful hypocrite…’ ??
    
    You hypocrite much!
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:47am
    - Swifty
      
      You stupid much.
      
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      May 27, 2019 10:34am
  - MickMac
    
    One problem Swifty is by continuing to “talk” like this. It grows and gets worse until it is Hate speech.
    Does that mean Farrier has a responsibility to not encourage it to grow?
    
    I pollutes the atmosphere and leads to worse.
    
    That’s why I think DPF should delete any comments that are personal.
    
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    May 27, 2019 12:22pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Tony Stuart, KB and Whale Oil etc are often rife with that kind of invective and abuse directed towards those like Ms Ghahraman!
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:45am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The problem with pointing out her continued hypocrisy, by whomever, is what exactly?
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:23am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Gets her talked about? Best to just ignore where possible.
      
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      May 27, 2019 2:44pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “directed towards those like Ms Ghahraman!”
    are there others who proudly had their photo taken with war lords accused of war crimes?
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:27am
  - secondcumming
    
    Links?
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:49am
- andrew davies
  
  You need to have a fair bit of hate to consider someone a “human stain.”
  
  However that is not the point. The issue is should it be banned. I say a resounding no.
  
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  May 27, 2019 12:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope. But let us have the opportunity to push back…
    
    Maybe she is the orifice that a human stain originates from…………
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:03pm
cmm

Three months ago GD would have 20 posts by 8:15. Now, zero.

Tarrant has won.

[Mod: 8.16am, and the Mod has just finished his breakfast. You’re a harsh taskmaster cmm!]
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May 27, 2019 8:15am
- lilman
  
  Not really,just cant be bothered anymore.
  Labour will win because the greens will put them there.
  
  Its as simple as that.
  
  Why get upset over things you cant change.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:27am
  - coge
    
    Keep repeating this mantra, “Everyone knows Labour is going to win in 2020” For the media, and the polls tells us so. Therefore, there can be no other result.
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:26pm
- Tarquin North
  
  Have to agree, there must be a better way.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    Surely this is now the time to either:
    
    1. Whitelist regular commenters who haven’t attracted the moderators adverse attention.
    
    2. Have a registration process whereby posters who prefer to post with anonymity can supply DPF with proof of identity.
    
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    May 27, 2019 8:37am
    - The King
      
      This isn’t facebook, in these times telling the truth is dangerous. Some of the founding fathers of America had anonymous pen names.
      
      The left are unhinged crazies backed by the Jacinda Occupation Government and her blue bots in hijabs.
      
      The police have been weaponized into a political enforcement machine.
      
      Ill keep my dissident opinions anon for now thanks.
      
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      May 27, 2019 9:20am
      - Tall Man
        
        Moi aussi…..
        
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        May 27, 2019 9:00pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Automatically whitelist any user with 20 comments, an account at least a week old, and a sufficiently clean record.
    
    Anyone who wants to post filth now can do it with a fake but real-looking name anyway.
    
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    May 27, 2019 8:44am
    - alloytoo
      
      “Anyone who wants to post filth now can do it with a fake but real-looking name anyway.”
      
      That is perhaps the most annoying part, “alloytoo” is a cross platform identity which I have husbanded over almost two decades.
      
      It is far more valuable/meaningful to me to post under “alloytoo” than under a real looking nom du plume.
      
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      May 27, 2019 9:59am
    - Biscuit
      
      Agreed, Nigel.
      
      I presume there is some facility where anyone can go back in time and look at anything anyone has ever posted in here.
      
      I would hazard a guess that you, like me, have never posted anything that has tempted any DPF moderation ever – and certainly no moderation by the folk he has appointed to look after things on his behalf after recent events.
      
      A check through the list of ‘Baddies’ shows only 117 names.
      
      So, clearly, the majority of us are good, decent folk, right?
      
      You and me, particularly, natch!
      
      And what is particularly frustrating is that, when this post of mine gets past moderatioon, it will have a time stamp of 12.21pm, the time right now, rather than a more-accurate ‘Submitted at 12.21pm, approved by Mod for publishing at 3.25pm’ (or whatever) so that some sort of context can be followed by whoever reads the thread.
      
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      May 27, 2019 12:21pm
  - cmm
    
    There is a better way.
    
    Get rid of moderation and go back to the old ways.
    
    While we have moderation, Tarrant has won.
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:27am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      We used to be trusted here to basically create our own ‘moderation’ by reporting any real problems (I don’t think I ever did, putting up with harsh but free speech from various people).
      
      Now we’re no longer trusted members of this site, it seems.
      
      Tarrant has indeed won 🙁 .
      
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      May 27, 2019 11:43am
- sooty
  
  Yep Brenton Tarrant has certainly won!
  It’s been making snowflakes heads explode!
  Matt Nippert are spying on kiwis and putting them on secert lists, just because he can!
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:30am
- waikatogirl
  
  https://ysb.co.nz/ up and accepting comments by 6.30am. First post requires approval but open slather unless comments are are ‘way off the reservation.’
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:47am
  - Biscuit
    
    You’ll call me evil, waikatogirl, but I saw ‘ysb’ and translated that as ‘you silly b*tch’ rather than ‘you stupid boy’ which I found to be the csae when I had a peek at it…
    
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    May 27, 2019 12:23pm
- Random T Person
  
  I very rarely comment as I can’t be bothered with waiting for moderation.
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:33am
Happychappy

How can Phil Quinn really believe this after the shambles of Phil Twyford, Clare Curran, Lee’s Galloway and Shane Jones’ not to mention others like the Speaker of Parliament.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/112976335/believe-it-or-not-new-zealand-is-well-governed
Well governed my arse.
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May 27, 2019 8:17am
- sooty
  
  Pram pusher. Per chance? Can he hold the baby?
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  I believe ( and stand to be corrected) he used to be a Labour staffer .
  
  So he would say that , wouldn’t he.
  
  And if I am correct that he was a labour staffer , surely that should be noted at the beginning or end of the story , so readers will have some idea about where the correspondant is coming from .
  
  Otherwise the media are in danger of confirming the fact that they are disseminators of fake news.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:56am
- Hacked-Off
  
  I got the impression he was talking about the institutions of state and not individuals or personalities. As for his prognosis that the Adern Government should be listed as being in the league of Clarke, Key and English – well I would have at least waited to make that call after 2020 – there being insufficient evidence so far and much of it to the contrary so far.
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:01am
- Tall Man
  
  “Well governed my arse.”
  
  Governed by an arse……
  
  fixed it.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:58pm
hullkiwi

Question for us to consider. What is the purpose and rationale of APEC (the Asia Pacific Economic Council)? It is now ove 25 years since APEC was formed, but what has it achieved other than being yet another talk shop for the leaders of the Pacific Rim?

In two years time, Auckland will again be shut down as it plays host to this talk fest. But given we are suspicious of China’s moves in the South Pacific; the TPPA (given that it was not a true free trade agreement, it required a lot of effort for not much gain) eventually was agreed between only 11 out of 12 nations (APEC comprises more than 20 countries); we don’t have a proper trade deal with Japan, and we are looking for a new bilateral with China. I am left asking what does APEC achieve and is it worth the money spent?
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May 27, 2019 8:17am
- Maxx
  
  Speaking of TPPA (or CPTPP as it is now) it is interesting how it was so many in the rest of the world that were against the ISDS clause that the US wanted, yet this same clause would have helped many organisations with the trade barriers that the US is putting up. Not Huawei of course…
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:57am
- Tall Man
  
  Quick exit at arrivals….
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:57pm
Albert_Ross

Billions of dollars and millions of person-hours have been expended on social services over the last few decades.

What is now better as a result?
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May 27, 2019 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  With family breakdown the bill will only get bigger .
  
  Once upon a time the social worker visited the home of those who weren’t ‘managing’ , now the idea is for them to live in .
  
  What a mess.
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:00am
  - Maxx
    
    Wait for Labour to announce the new policies of “KiwiFamily” and “KiwiBaby” – all pre-enrolled in the Labour Party.
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:59am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And will they act as babysitter?
    
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    May 27, 2019 2:59pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “sitter”…. protector.
      
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      May 27, 2019 8:52pm
krazykiwi

I heard a couple of mothers being interviewed on RNZ. Both in minimum wage families, both struggling. Both looking forward to some wellbeing.

And 15 children between them.

How about only having children that you’re capable of caring for? That would be mature, responsible, and respectful of society

And c.f. this comment – RNZ, yes your dog whistle worked.
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May 27, 2019 8:25am
- sooty
  
  That’s not minium wage!
  That’s baby factories!
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:33am
  - MickMac
    
    ask the NZPolice about it!
    
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    May 27, 2019 12:25pm
- Paginus
  
  It’s not the women’s fault that we have a system that incentivises such dyscivilizational behaviour.
  National had 9 years to fix this crap.
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:02am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Actually, National has had 27 years to fix this crap. Surely it’s well past time to conclude they just don’t want to.
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:27am
    - David Garrett
      
      Nigel K: And how, pray, would National – or anyone else – go about “fixing” the problem of the underclass pumping out babies they can’t afford to look after?
      
      Once upon a time I ended up in hot water suggesting that child abusers be incentivised to get sterilized…imagine the uproar if some party had a policy that an incentive to get sterilized be offered to every woman who already had too many kids. My friend Northland Wahine dare not even mention contraception to her “clients” lest she be summarily dismissed.
      
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      May 27, 2019 10:03am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Don’t pay them anything. If they can’t provide for their kids without taxpayer money, take the kids away. Obviously not a complete policy, but anything without those two elements will definitely not work.
        
        If there were a way to make it normal and accepted for every 14 year old female to have an IUD or implant put in (or equivalent for males when technology permits) that would be ideal. But I would not make it compulsory.
        
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        May 27, 2019 11:41am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Set a limit: only women currently pregnant can expect the DPB. Anyone else needing help can look at dole and get into employment asap.
        
        And anyone getting pregnant 9 months *from* now can: support herself, go on the dole while preparing for employment (just the same amount of assistance as any employed woman), get the father’s assistance, maybe get some private group’s help, consider adoption or consider abortion. I know the last point will get me a ton of down votes.
        
        About the private group helping: that’s what people can set up if they don’t like abortion and do believe in helping a woman have children she can’t support.
        
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        May 27, 2019 11:55am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Why “only women currently pregnant”?
        
        The problem is not welfare itself. It is kids being raised by a parent who isn’t capable and/or doesn’t care. Some of those kids have just been conceived and some are five or ten years old. We shouldn’t wait for all of them to grow up, commit crimes, produce another useless generation, and burden the taxpayer for their entire lives. We should fix the problem sooner than that by getting them some decent direction in their lives right now.
        
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        May 27, 2019 12:47pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Correction. 3 National governments have had a chance to fix it, but have allowed it to become even more entrenched.
    
    The DPB was introduced in the period 1972 – 75, since the there has been 3 National governments each of circa 9 years each. Not one of them has ever really addressed the growth of NZ’s welfare system (which is almost a mirror copy of the UK system).
    
    The problem for National is that while many would applaud a winding back of the welfare regime, the politicians pursue the middle ground and are scared of losing the swing voters if they wound back our rampant welfare state.
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:41am
    - krazykiwi
      
      In respect of children, the most effective social welfare is to endorse, promote and incentivise biological parents to provide the love for their offspring, love that no other person/organisation/state entity is capable of providing.
      
      Until our leadership has the balls to re-endorse this as the optimum model we’re lumbered with spiraling social chaos and costs.
      
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      May 27, 2019 10:13am
      - MickMac
        
        don’t look to Soiman to do that.
        he won’t even speak up on free speech.
        
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        May 27, 2019 12:26pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      “wound back our rampant welfare state”
      Like CGT it is easy and fast to put in, very damaging while in, but incredibly difficult , long winded and damaging (in the short term) to take out.
      Plus, with only 3 year terms, you need to stay the govt. while you are doing this.
      
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      May 27, 2019 10:39am
  - Happychappy
    
    Bill English was trying to fix it he lowed the rate of young girls getting pregnant and those that did were also wanting to get work and achieve and Labour with Winston though they could do better. The same with poverty English was achieving change and Jacinda though her experience at it was better so again it has changed with thosands more in poverty than when Bill English started. But Paginus don’t let the facts get in the way of your dislike of National.
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:14am
- srylands
  
  “How about only having children that you’re capable of caring for? That would be mature, responsible, and respectful of society”
  
  Because that is a premise that is rejected by the left in New Zealand. Having children is a “right”.
  
  Note that even on the left, such a notion is fairly recent. Certainly up until the 1970s or later, working class New Zealanders, most of whom would be Labour voters, would have subscribed to the idea that a parent’s (father’s) duty was to provide for the children. The idea that you could be permanently unemployed and have large families would be alien – well at least that people would CONTINUE to enthusiastically have children when they were unemployed.
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:24am
- guardianista
  
  When a woman applies for her second dpb receiving it should be conditional on having her tubes tied etc.
  
  The current system is not only costly but is resulting in reverse evolution of our species.
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:30am
  - Maxx
    
    How about if you are receiving a benefit then that benefit will not increase in the case of additional children being born whilst you are on it (additional wording to close loopholes i.e. adoption etc).
    
    I am sure then choices will be made around birth control.
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:03am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      unworkable, as innocent kids would suffer – which is politically unacceptable.
      Only possible solution requires long term contraception for DPB recipients – but even that could be gamed by going off DPB briefly to get pregnant.
      
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      May 27, 2019 1:18pm
  - David Garrett
    
    guardian: See my comment up thread. No party would dare put forward such a policy.
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:05am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      You can see the vitriolic posters on the street.
      With word “E U G E N I C S” in bright bold letters.
      Forgetting that Marx was a believer.
      
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      May 27, 2019 10:41am
    - Sacha
      
      Simply putting a cut-off date on the capping of the DPB and other benefits, would work.
      No benefit increases for children born after a certain date. I’m pretty sure that the birthrate would drop amongst the indigent.
      I am old enough to remember my mother railing against the poor RCs who had huge families and who struggled to feed and clothe them. (Actually, she mainly blamed the church itself which she felt was hell bent on religious world domination.)
      And I remember being worried about possible pregnancy in the days before reliable contraception – and I was respectably married!
      It wasn’t funny.
      In my opinion, by removing the financial burden of children, we have weakened our society’s sense of individual responsibility towards them -if things go haywire, there is always the support of the government to fall back on, even if this is never openly stated.
      
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      May 27, 2019 11:56am
- MCos
  
  My wife is #19 of 20 children.
  Her father had two wives, neither of whom I suspect had much say in the matter.
  This was in Thailand where there is no social welfare and he never had a job in his life.
  Needless to say they didn’t live a life of luxury.
  When I was a kid in Timaru just about everyone at school came from big families because the church said so and the Catholic Church still says so.
  Common sense would suggest these women would have few or no kids, but who are we to judge.
  If everyone was perfect there’d be no road deaths, obesity, etc etc
  
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  May 27, 2019 11:24am
Albert_Ross

But what can be done? It’s been demonstrated time and again that promising fabulous things that you’ve no chance of delivering in reality, will get you more votes than promising modest things that are achievable with hard work and patience. There is absolutely no sign that electorates are learning from this experience
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May 27, 2019 8:28am
sooty

ABC. Remember those days.
Anyone But Cindy!
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May 27, 2019 8:37am
Happychappy

It doesn’t look like Jacinda’s charm helped Macron as he is looking defeat in the eye as his opponents ask him to admit defeat in latest news.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1132328/european-elections-results-live-update-latest-2019-EU-exit-polls-Brexit-party
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May 27, 2019 8:48am
KevO'Brien

Society cannot exist without tolerating someone else’s right to say something that may offend you. Accept it or be shut down.

https://gellerreport.com/2019/05/canada-criminalize-christianity.html/
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May 27, 2019 8:49am
- BrownSnake
  
  Did you hear the Swedes are banning Runes
  
  Runes
  
  They are well and truly pre Natzi and area part of how the written word developed
  
  So it has gone from words to Letter Forms?
  
  They are all loonies who can’t create a thing never
  had an original thought can’t think for them selves
  except to pee on some else’s parade.
  
  http://sciencenordic.com/isolated-people-sweden-only-stopped-using-runes-100-years-ago
  
  In a remote part of Sweden they used runes until just a hundred years ago. The people in the area also speak their own language: Elfdalian
  
  Elfdalian like Elves.
  
  Runes are part of European Culture which is
  and always will be Amasing.
  
  None of these people think before they act.
  
  Free Speech is the goose that laid the Golden Egg.
  
  When it goes these loonies are going to be free to implement the most retarded policies anyone could imagine without Question.
  
  They lie and pretend it is about protecting people
  or a minority. Total BS.
  
  They want power. POWER POWER POWER.
  
  That is the drug they are addicted to they want the
  power to F up everything and F over anyone they like for what ever they like on any given day.
  
  What cracks me up about these retards is they preach like they are Morale ? Morality they could not spell the world let alone act regarding Morales
  
  George Carlin – It’s a Big Club and You Ain’t In It! The American Dream
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhZyAOuyhE
  
  And as for Canada like NZ
  Talk about flush a Country Down the toilet
  
  Flush Flush Flush Turd world Crap hole
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  A Victoria University academic accuses–
  
  https://www.nzcpr.com/calling-out-the-christchurch-call/
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Gosh, I can’t see Bronwyn Howell being invited to write an opinion piece for Stuff or the NZ Herald, more’s the pity.
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:40am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Golly gosh?
      
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      May 27, 2019 3:20pm
- stephieboy
  
  Kev O’ Brien,
  
  Pamela Geller the Queen of hate and paranoia!
  
  You’ve got to be joking!
  
  https://gellerreport.com/author/admin/
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:50am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
    
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    May 27, 2019 11:18am
Swifty

German Jews warned not to wear their yarmulke….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/113020406/german-jews-warned-not-to-wear-kippas

Gee, I wonder what’s behind this new phenomenon?
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May 27, 2019 8:51am
- BrownSnake
  
  I wonder whose favourite book is Mein Kampf?
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:56am
  - Swifty
    
    Dunno.
    
    Please tell us.
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Brown Sanke,
    
    “I wonder whose favourite book is Mein Kampf?”
    
    A great many alt righters and far righters I would of thought!
    
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    May 27, 2019 9:54am
    - alloytoo
      
      That socialist script? As usual you’re thinking wrong.
      
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      May 27, 2019 10:07am
  - Fletch
    
    We do know from a story back in 2007 that Helen Clark’s favourite movie is The Motorcycle Diaries – the movie all about Marxist revolutionary Che Guevara.
    
    Helen Clark’s Favourite Movie
    
    http://www.flicks.co.nz has launched an exhaustive, two month survey to find NZ’s Favourite (and most hated) Movie Ever.
    
    Who better to get the ball rolling, than mother of the nation, Prime Minister Helen Clark who picks the bio of young South American revolutionary Che Guevara – The Motorcycle Diaries starring Gael Garcia Bernal.
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/CU0704/S00043.htm
    
    Was anyone surprised?
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:03am
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch, not a bad film as film goes IMO
      
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      May 27, 2019 12:13pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and yet I think my favourite would have kicked her favourites ASS.
      My favourite movie…Laurence of Arabia.
      
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      May 27, 2019 12:59pm
- mark15
  
  Swifty
  That’ll be the rise of the far right white supremacy…!
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:59am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I doubt it. In the working class areas of North Rhein Westphalia, mass immigration from Turkey and the recent immigrants (refugees) are more the problem.
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:00am
    - Swifty
      
      mark15 was joking….
      
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      May 27, 2019 10:40am
- kowtow
  
  Here’s an interestin item on said topic .
  
  ‘For example, when participants at a 2016 Salafist rally showed the Nazi salute, “the police registered it as a far-right, Nazi incident,” Königsberg told DW.’
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/anti-semitic-crime-in-germany-1-in-5-offenses-in-berlin/a-44994347
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:04am
- stephieboy
  
  Swifty , the Stuff item is unsourced other than claims by the Israeli President!
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:53am
  - Swifty
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/26/jews-in-germany-warned-of-risks-of-wearing-kippah-cap-in-public
    
    https://www.dw.com/en/german-official-warns-jews-against-wearing-kippahs-in-public/a-48874433
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:25am
    - stephieboy
      
      I stand to be corrected on that one. But do note the reasons for the suggested advice,
      
      From Swifty’s MSM Guardian link ,
      
      “..The president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany welcomed the fact that government had recognised the seriousness of the situation. “It has for some time been the case that Jews in some cities potentially endanger themselves if they are visible as Jews”, Josef Schuster told news agency AFP.
      
      The increased prominence of far-right parties in a number of European countries in the past few years has led to antisemitic and other extremist rhetoric that was previously confined to the fringes appearing more and more in the mainstream. In Germany, the arrival in parliament of the far-right AfD, whose leaders openly question the culture of atonement for second world war atrocities, has contributed to the change in atmosphere….”
      
      Puts some perspective on the issue and mno this time not blaming Muslims and Africans etc .
      
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      May 27, 2019 11:54am
      - Swifty
        
        Do you have any reason to think that Germany is any different?
        
        https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2013/03/sorry-truth-virus-anti-semitism-has-infected-british-muslim-community
        
        ‘Anti-semitism is Islam’s dirty little secret….’
        
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        May 27, 2019 1:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It is not difficult to locate German sources, stephieboy.
    
    I cannot advise Jews to wear the Kippah everywhere all the time in Germany,” Felix Klein said in an interview published Saturday by the Funke regional press group.
    https://www.thelocal.de/20190525/jews-warned-against-wearing-kippah-in-germany
    
    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-jews-advised-against-wearing-kippah-a-1020890.html
    
    https://www.dw.com/en/german-official-warns-jews-against-wearing-kippahs-in-public/a-48874433
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:35am
    - rangitoto
      
      The only explanation I can give is that SB loves being wrong.
      
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      May 27, 2019 12:38pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I guess the people who opened Germany up to an influx of Jew-hating-ideology supporters were not Jewish.
  
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  May 27, 2019 11:42am
- MickMac
  
  Swifty
  12:25
  
  Muslims.
  They have 1.5 Million new additions thanks to Mutti, They don’t like and complain about their free accomodation, food or monies from the German Taxpayer.
  
  40% of them are military aged males.
  
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  May 27, 2019 12:29pm
Maggie Pie

Turning Japanese?

I guess ‘The Donald’ must have thought … if its good enuff for Jacinda to show solidarity with the Muslim community by engaging in a pseudo-religious parody by wearing an Islamist veil, he may as well get in on the act as well while visiting Japan 🙂

https://twitter.com/AbeShinzo/status/1132467086607802368
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May 27, 2019 8:54am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  America buys a lot of Japanese cars, but US cars don’t really suit Japan. I guess Trump will be putting pressure on Japan to buy more US military hardware or to pay more for its own defense.
  
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  May 27, 2019 12:02pm
BrownSnake

I checked under the bed for Skin heads
and found none

I am so relieved.
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May 27, 2019 8:55am
- sooty
  
  Did you find Matt Nippert?
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    In the fluff?
    
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    May 27, 2019 8:33pm
- The King
  
  More people shot in South Auckland, crime violence rampant.
  
  You know who’s to blame right?
  
  Skinheads.
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:22am
The King

“The content of his character”

FBI tapes reveal Martin Luther King laughed as his friend raped women and had 40 affairs.

MLK’s character:
>communist
>anti-white
>sexual abuser
>serial adulterer
>plagiarist
>hypocrite

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7071713/FBI-tapes-Martin-Luther-King-Jr-40-affairs-laughed-friend-raped-parishioner.html
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May 27, 2019 9:05am
- stephieboy
  
  The King,
  
  A very differnt view about Martin Luther King and his alleged marital infidelities and an active Marxist etc is rejected here ,
  
  HERE’S WHAT THE FBI HAD ON MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
  
  The FBI was obsessed with Martin Luther King Jr. from the mid-1950s until his assassination in 1968.
  King was only 39 when
  he was killed on April 4, 1968, having spent 12 years—almost a third of his life—under the FBI’s watch.
  In all that time, the bureau—and Director J. Edgar Hoover specifically—never uncovered Communist Party ties or any nefarious behavior that warranted the years of wiretaps and eavesdropping. Instead, they discovered a man devoted to serving others, unafraid of self-examination and unconcerned with fame or notoriety, said David Garrow, a historian and Pulitzer Prize-winning author, in a 2008 CNN interview.
  
  The FBI recordings have “given us the most powerful and persuasive source of all for seeing how utterly selfless Martin Luther King was,” said Garrow, who has written several books about King…”
  
  https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-martin-luther-king-jr-surveillence-wiretap-report-j-edgar-hoover-780630
  
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  May 27, 2019 12:15pm
  - The King
    
    That was written a year ago before these tapes. Hoover decided not to say anything about them hence protecting the rapist.
    
    *googles David Garrow finds his wiki… “Garrow is also a member of the Democratic Socialists of America”
    
    El oh el.
    
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    May 28, 2019 3:08am
Cobolt24

The Warehouse confirms 150 job losses likely as they close regional distribution centres | Stuff co nz
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112967471/job-losses-likely-as-the-warehouse-closes-regional-distribution-centres
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May 27, 2019 9:06am
- Maxx
  
  Nothing in Northland so we won’t hear from the champion of the regions on this matter
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:06am
- Happychappy
  
  Bill English was trying to fix it he lowed the rate of young girls getting pregnant and those that did were also wanting to get work and achieve and Labour with Winston though they could do better. The same with poverty English was achieving change and Jacinda though her experience at it was better so again it has changed with thosands more in poverty than when Bill English started. But Paginus don’t let the facts get in the way of your dislike of National.
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:18am
- Happychappy
  
  What are Labour going to say when Tindall is one of their biggest donors. If this was a National donor the criticism would deafening.
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    Pretty sure he’s not a day to day man at the Warehouse.
    
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    May 27, 2019 8:32pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see the item on Sunday TVNZ last night where two Muslims saying NZ is racist as they do not want to let more Muslims immigrate here?
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May 27, 2019 9:20am
- secondcumming
  
  TVNZ loves stirring up shit! What don’t they understand for Christ’s sake…..we need to look after *our own people* first, before letting any more useless bludgers into the country.
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:43am
- Straight arrow
  
  It would appear from MBIE that many of the countries we get refugees from have Muslim majorities. I think the security concerns are more likely based on veracity of identity documents. Hence the “family link” requirement which actually seems to be a way of mitigating risk to enable NZ to bring in refugees from some countries. Put another way, NZ government is trying to find a way to help – the opposite of what is implied by TVNZ.
  
  Revealing what the security concerns are could enable people to find ways around them.
  
  As regards the officials comments, they are required to put alternative views. The recommendation of one department may not match another eg MBIE and SIS.
  
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  May 27, 2019 11:52am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Would Islamic nations be “racist” for not letting non-Muslims immigrate into their countries?
  
  … Oh!
  (Wait a minute…)
  
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  May 27, 2019 12:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Chuck Bird , I did and they did not say that at all. They objected when National in 2009 excluded Somali and other African refugees from the refugee quota without any explantion at all!
  
  That would inlude I would say Afican Christians from the Southern Sudan and Ethiopa etc!
  
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  May 27, 2019 12:12pm
lastmanstanding

This lot are so mad for power they are going to mortgage our grandchildren great grandchildren and great great grandchildren.

They will do what it takes to cling onto power and the sad reality is most of the citizens are too dumb to understand the fiscal consequences.

Their mentality extends to voting for whoever gives them the most “free” stuff.
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May 27, 2019 9:24am
- Paginus
  
  Our grandchildren, great grandchildren and great great grandchildren, will be minorities in their own land, because we continue to do nothing about immigration.
  The debt problem will be the least of their worries.
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:36am
  - Happychappy
    
    Listen it was said about the Germans in the 1950’s then the two Bob Poms a few years later, then it was Pacific Islanders and ow it is Muslims. Well our Family came from Germany in the early 1900’s as immigrants and I guess like my family most people came as immigrants way back so why discriminate there is good and bad in all race. I look forward to all those down tricks from those that disagree.
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:34am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Please please please- when did ‘Muslims’ become a ‘race’? They are not a race. This have nothing to do with race and everything to do with ideology. People have no qualms about immigrants per se but they do have qualms about folk who wish to bring in an ant-woman, anti-gay, anti-democratic, theocratic ideology and expect that kiwis change their ways to accommodate this ideology.
      
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      May 27, 2019 11:31am
    - Paginus
      
      1.3 billion Chinese, 1.3 billion Indians.
      Just tell me what law we have in place to stop us being swamped by these massive populations?
      
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      May 27, 2019 12:03pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Islam is *not* a race. I don’t buy into that fake ‘racism’ and ‘hate speech’ nonsense of claiming that criticising any ideology is ‘racist’.
      
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      May 27, 2019 12:10pm
    - MickMac
      
      yeah right
      
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      May 27, 2019 1:17pm
    - Tall Man
      
      There is a big difference….
      
      https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/detail/news-photo/mogadishu-residents-look-at-the-body-of-a-somali-woman-at-news-photo/98936567?adppopup=true
      
      https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/detail/news-photo/ukraine-fan-poses-prior-to-the-uefa-euro-2016-group-c-match-news-photo/541941004?adppopup=true
      
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      May 27, 2019 8:24pm
  - MCos
    
    My great grandfather was Irish. That makes me some sort of minority, I suppose.
    My son has a Chinese friend whose family have been here even longer. He’s a minority in his own land. Family’s been here 150 years and people still tell him how well he speaks English.
    Māori are minorities in their own land. They had no control over immigration.
    
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    May 27, 2019 12:18pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “Family’s been here 150 years and people still tell him how well he speaks English.”
      
      People probably only started doing that since the mid-1990s.
      
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      May 27, 2019 12:47pm
      - david
        
        That Twyford fell would set them straight quick smart given the chance.
        
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        May 27, 2019 5:12pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      You would think that they would want less now that they do have a say then wouldn’t you?
      
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      May 27, 2019 3:27pm
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: Will the government BELATEDLY start dealing effectively with the structural impediments to affordable new housing mid – June ? …

‘High rents not just a city problem anymore’ … Stuff NZ
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113021206/high-rents-not-just-a-city-problem-anymore?cid=app-iPad

New Zealand’s median weekly rent reached $500 for the first time in April after a 5.3 per cent annual increase and strong growth in the provinces, according to the latest Trade Me Rental Price Index…. Read more via hyperlink above …
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… Housing Minister Phil Twyfords important late March speech …

… Will he BELATEDLY deliver mid – June ? …

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

… extract …

… In our view there are three big challenges that have to be addressed:

1. A broken system for financing infrastructure

2. A planning system based on urban containment

3. The failure of governments until now, both local and central, to actively work with the private sector to enable urban growth and expansion.

… concluding …

… I talked about the land banking and speculative economy, and the pressure cooker that has given us some of the most obscenely expensive housing in the world.

These moves are designed to change that. …

… If we do these things we can truly flood the market with development opportunities. We can break the land banking economy, and drive down the cost of urban land.

We can achieve more competitive urban land markets. And industry that is more focused on development and building places of enduring value instead of land banking and speculation.

That is the pathway to more affordable housing, and a systemic fix of the crisis that has caused so much hardship, and sucked so much of our national wealth into residential property instead of the productive economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Important background information via …
http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … NEW ZEALAND NATURAL RISKS: Explaining aspects of what has been blindingly obvious all along …
  
  Insurance in New Zealand is changing | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112836497/insurance-in-new-zealand-is-changing
  
  Insurance expert’s warning to New Zealand homeowners – NZ Herald
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12232414
  
  Google NewcZealand Search ‘Melissa Heath Insurance’ …
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=melissa+heath+insurance&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiy8pLbw6jiAhWSfCsKHefqCNUQ_AUICSgA&biw=451&bih=400&dpr=2.08
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:58am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … PERTH …
    … House prices down 19% …
    … Rents down 22% …
    
    Perth property value losses plunge through 19% … MacroBusiness Australia
    … behind paywall …
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/05/perth-property-value-losses-plunge-19/
    
    By Leith van Onselen
    
    Yesterday, CoreLogic’s daily house price index revealed that Perth dwelling value declines have smashed through 19%:
    
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    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Capture-71.jpg
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
    
    This is by far the biggest bust on record for Perth, with the current 19% decline far eclipsing prior price corrections, both in terms of size and duration:
    
    … concluding … …
    
    What makes this property crash particularly interesting is that the slump in prices has occurred alongside rents, which have tanked by a whopping 22%, according to the ABS:
    
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    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/?attachment_id=972188
    
    This is a nightmare situation for Perth landlords, but a wonderful scenario for both renters and would-be first home buyers.
    
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    May 27, 2019 4:58pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/113021907/eu-elections-the-right-and-the-greens-gain-ground

“Exit polls in France indicated that Marine Le Pen’s far-right, anti-immigrant National Rally party came out on top in an astonishing rebuke of French President Emmanuel Macron, who has made EU integration the heart of his presidency.” AAP.

Astonishing? Astonishing?

How out of touch with reality do you have to be to find Le Pen’s rise “astonishing”?
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May 27, 2019 9:50am
- Ross12
  
  Agree cmm, that beating Macron is not astonishing but it looks like Le Pen’s percentage of the vote will be about the same as 2014.
  They are saying the turnout is 51% so even a straight comparison with 2014 may not be showing the correct picture .
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:02am
- Classic Liberal
  
  LOL, how out of touch? As extremely out of touch as the MSM with its navel gazing love for the far Left.
  
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  May 27, 2019 12:12pm
Captain Mainwaring

Air NZ chooses new long-haul planes.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/112988652/air-new-zealand-making-longhaul-fleet-announcement-at-customer-innovation-centre

Boeing 787-10, with GE engines NOT Rolls-Royce.
The engine decision was an easy one to make.
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May 27, 2019 9:52am
- alloytoo
  
  Boeing must both love and hate Air New Zealand.
  
  On the one hand new business is reassuring to the market, on the other Air NZ always waits to pounce on a good pricing opportunity.
  
  Funny, I never regarded the 777’s as old, Qantas is still flying a few 747’s.
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:13am
  - Rich Prick
    
    You do notice their age if you transit onto one after an A350 or 787.
    
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    May 27, 2019 11:26am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Now I see that Luxon has ideas of flying this thing non-stop Auckland to New York.
      According to Boeing’s specifications it doesn’t have the range to get anywhere near New York. The 900 version can almost get there, but not quite.
      Has Luxon been smoking Jacinda fairydust or something?
      
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      May 27, 2019 12:52pm
- Tall Man
  
  Have flown 787, 777, A350 and A330 internationally recently. I preferred the A350.
  
  Flew in an A380 year before last and that was definitely the best.
  
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  May 27, 2019 5:05pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    A350 will easily get to New York. Has Luxon bought the wrong plane?
    
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    May 27, 2019 5:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I think so. Flew the A350 yesterday, I thought it was better than the 787 but that is a personal opinion, from a consumer point of view.
      
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      May 27, 2019 8:18pm
Happychappy

So again we have a Labour Lead Government that like to dupe the Public into thinking serious crime has reduced and like usual Questions in writing to the Justice Minister Andrew Little finds that serious crime has risen by 25%.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/390630/serious-crime-on-the-rise-despite-police-stats-bridges
When are the public going to see through this bunch of frauds.
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May 27, 2019 9:55am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “However, government and police figures from February show a 2.7 drop – about 7000 – in the number of victims of crime reported for the year to January. The statistics do show a 4.8 percent increase in total number of serious assaults.”
  So the number of victims have fallen?
  But the number of crimes has risen?
  Indicates some victims are being “assaulted” more than once.
  Maybe if we lock these assholes up, the first time, the victims may not be “re victimized)?
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:17am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I take it this way: people are not bothering to report anything ‘minor’, because they know nothing much will be done. That brings down the overall ‘victims of crime’. But serious assaults have indeed gone up and as you say, probably with repeated assaults on the same victims.
    
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    May 27, 2019 12:16pm
- brett68
  
  According to this post on The Standard, crime is actually decreasing.
  
  https://thestandard.org.nz/bridges-dodgy-crime-statistics/#comment-1621196
  
  Who to believe?
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:18am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Overall crime stats are not serious assault stats. Just means people can’t be bothered reporting a more ‘minor’ crime because nothing happens. I’ve experienced it myself – Police had a look at a burglary and could do nothing.
    
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    May 27, 2019 12:18pm
    - Prince
      
      They had a look ? You must be special.
      
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      May 27, 2019 12:44pm
      - Tall Man
        
        At the note on the front desk……
        
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        May 27, 2019 4:54pm
  - Happychappy
    
    I would say this brett68 if Bridge’s is wrong on this he as a ex Crown Prosecutor has I would think given his enemies the chance they needed to change the Leadership and probably damaged what image he has left.
    
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    May 27, 2019 12:32pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Angry andy or Honest Simon, who we all know you hate with a passion…….. you decide and should you decide to not support Simon Bridges in 2020 expect to see much more of the same bullshit from angry andy and the rest of the pathetic coalition of liars.
    
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    May 27, 2019 4:57pm
RW Capitalist

If this govt. keeps on with it’s well being budget.
We will have the happiest people in the world….living in a cardboard box.
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May 27, 2019 10:04am
RW Capitalist

Lets see how they are going so far and how it may be in 12 months
Tourism (didn’t someone say, our 2nd largest industry)……………………..DOWN
Couldn’t be the taxes etc they are putting on?
Layoffs happening everywhere
Rental properties being sold……..forcing a lack of supply and combined with the anti landlord laws, an increase in the cost of rent.
No trees planted
Growth in the economy…2%pa almost half of that 18months ago
Looks like they will borrow an EXTRA $400 for every man woman and child in the country.

Prediction: (within the next year)
Higher unemployment
More homelessness
more poverty
Lower tax take
recession
The CoL will blame someone else for the demise of NZ.
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May 27, 2019 10:11am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy has for weeks been blaming “global head winds” for NZ economy taking a dive.
  
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  May 27, 2019 3:21pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and yet the biggest economy is booming.
    Sounds like a tail wind to me.
    
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    May 27, 2019 4:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I think she has been re-inhaling too much of the hot gas emanating from her own arse. A warm tail wind?
    
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    May 27, 2019 4:53pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      She thinks that if she says it often enough, we will believe this horse shit.
      
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      May 27, 2019 5:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here we go folks…
You’ll be paying for more reporters to tell us what a great job the CoL is doing out in the Provinces.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018696809/publishers-public-broadcaster-and-the-public-purse-back-new-local-news-scheme
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May 27, 2019 10:44am
- Tall Man
  
  What’s with the name? “Peoples democratic propaganda group” seems appropriate.
  
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  May 27, 2019 4:51pm
  - sooty
    
    Labour party political reporting, who would have thunk that!
    
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    May 27, 2019 5:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How to bugger-up your environment.

Grow almonds in water-deficient locations.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/26/tough-nut-to-crack-the-almond-boom-and-its-drain-on-the-murray-darling
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May 27, 2019 10:58am
- Ross12
  
  I think there are similar issues in California with almond production, Maggy.
  
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  May 27, 2019 11:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Same thing is happening in California where the water sucked out of the aquifer for almonds is causing the ground to sink.
  But of course almond milk is better for the environment than dairy, say the clueless greenies.
  
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  May 27, 2019 11:21am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, Similar to say Dairying in the drought prone Canterbury with a drain on irrigation resources.
  
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  May 27, 2019 11:42am
  - cmm
    
    Nothing like it because the Canterbury soil structure is completely different to the areas of California where they grown almonds.
    
    Canterbury is not water deficient. Sure, there is little surface water in many places, but, in general, there’s plenty of water in the shingle below the Canterbury plains.
    
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    May 27, 2019 3:25pm
- cmm
  
  Most almonds (around 70-80%) are grown in California which also has this ground subsistence problem.
  
  In some areas the ground in California is sinking at around 270mm per year. So much for worrying about a 2mm sea level rise!
  
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  May 27, 2019 11:57am
RW Capitalist

Some suggestions at budget time.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pound ought and six, result misery.”
― Charles Dickens, David Copperfield

The only thing that matters, the rest is up to personal responsibility, not govt. edict.

“I had considered how the things that never happen, are often as much realities to us, in their effects, as those that are accomplished.”
― Charles Dickens (David Copperfield), David Copperfield

ie NOT planting trees
NOT Building houses
NOT increasing taxes and levies
NOT closing charter schools and centralizing education.
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May 27, 2019 11:26am
Ross12

For all those students who protested last week. Here is a challenge for you and you can win US$1000.

http://www.landscapesandcycles.net/-1000-student-climate-award.html
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May 27, 2019 11:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Or they could go in for the NZ challenge and be awarded NZ$6000.
  https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2017/03/if-you-can-prove-dangerous-man-made-global-warming-you-win-5000/#more-24081
  
  (I think this is still current)
  
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  May 27, 2019 3:37pm
RW Capitalist

With the
Blues
Highlanders
Hurricanes
Rugby 7’s
Warriors
all losing recently
Maybe we should turn our attentions to the
NZ U20’s in Poland
NZ 5-0 Honduras
Looked pretty good doing it to.
Norway next, tomorrow morning.
Looking at both teams play, if the play like that again, they have a good chance.
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May 27, 2019 11:35am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Do you think Declan Edge’s tutelage has shown some effect? I think Declan is an abrasive fellow, but that does not matter as I think he is a good coach.
  
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  May 27, 2019 1:50pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Isn’t Des Buckingham their coach?
    
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    May 27, 2019 5:14pm
Maggie Pie

Monday Trivia:
“HONG KONG” is the only known place on earth that can be pronounced without moving your tongue and lips.
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May 27, 2019 11:37am
- RW Capitalist
  
  AAHH that’s where things get lost in translation
  Try that in English….ie Fragrant harbour.
  
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  May 27, 2019 12:53pm
- chuk
  
  London
  
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  May 27, 2019 10:48pm
Maggie Pie

Breaking – France EU Election
Maree Le Penn kicks Macron’s skinny arse!

https://twitter.com/ultimateOne/status/1132727998304661505
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May 27, 2019 1:00pm
- hullkiwi
  
  …and Brexit Party walloping the Tories and Labour in the UK. With Ann Widdecome and Rees-Mogg’s sister being elected for the Brdxit Party. Wonderful news!
  
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  May 27, 2019 4:30pm
  - sooty
    
    She can’t do that!
    What about Cindy, what will she think after visiting paris ans macron?
    Will she have to do another paris trip?
    
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    May 27, 2019 5:11pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Mme Le Pen may not give the same feelz…… Maybe a smack on the back of the head like ….
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW08LBPl1II
      
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      May 27, 2019 8:14pm
RW Capitalist

Who is up to date and what is their style.
https://www.labour.org.nz/
Last updated 17/5/19
Talk at you
Make a mountain out of their molehill “achievements”
https://www.national.org.nz/news
Last updated 26/5/19
Ask YOU to have YOUR say on policies and judgements.
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May 27, 2019 1:09pm
Swifty

Golly, I wonder what sort of people yell ‘f….. white c…’ at someone who films them disgracing themselves in a public carpark?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12234645

Sounds a bit like ‘hate speech’ to me……
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May 27, 2019 1:10pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sounds like a case of ‘reverse racism’ to me – going by the look of her fat white arse 🙁
  
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  May 27, 2019 1:46pm
MCos

Simon Bridges is not ruling out working with the Destiny Church political party.
That’s crazy; he should have put a stop to any such notion right there and then.

What next? Deputy PM Apostle Bishop Brian Tamaki?
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May 27, 2019 1:40pm
- rangitoto
  
  Has Taxinda ruled it out? Has she ruled out dropping a nuke on the US?
  
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  May 27, 2019 1:50pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So far…………..
    
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    May 27, 2019 8:08pm
rangitoto

Plastic waste:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7ibYR1VUAMBBvL.jpg:large
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May 27, 2019 1:51pm
- Tall Man
  
  The plastic makes the turtles easier to catch for soup……………………….
  
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  May 27, 2019 3:42pm
Surely Knott

Lees-Galloway keen to fix the refugee policy “bias” that has NZ helping our Pacific neighbours first, and will look at giving more priority to refugees from Africa and Middle East. Is this what people who voted NZ1 and Labour thought they were signing up for?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/390650/immigration-minister-agrees-middle-east-africa-refugees-rules-are-discriminatory?fbclid=IwAR2Sz1DHCoIKdPNHJ_pBkV9Mu4RxPta9dIBMQIcWd5-D_20QrdmYiDGiPF8
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May 27, 2019 2:06pm
Jack5

TVNZ’s Jehan Casinada, on the Sunday night programme, was shown shouting at Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway: “You agree it’s racist.”

Casinada was talking about limits on African refugees.

Today, Lees-Galloway agreed the changes Casinada was shouting about are discriminatory. But that they were introduced by the National Coalition to give priority to refugees from the Pacific.

Discriminatory,”racist,” to favour Polynesian and Melanesian refugees over African refugees? Really, Mr Casinada?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/390650/immigration-minister-agrees-middle-east-africa-refugees-rules-are-discriminatory
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May 27, 2019 2:18pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.npr.org/2018/11/02/663022755/as-spains-immigration-rises-more-women-arrive-with-experiences-of-sex-abuse
  
  https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/03/spain-six-muslim-migrants-rape-12-year-old-girl-for-45-minutes-after-freeing-her-friend-because-she-was-muslim
  
  So it’s time to join the real world is it?
  
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  May 27, 2019 3:41pm
  - Inandout
    
    TM, they wouldn’t dare touch the Muslim girl because the family would slash their throats.
    
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    May 27, 2019 5:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      But in a kindly manner with “wellbeing” to the fore… much like Thursday for the rest of us.
      
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      May 27, 2019 8:06pm
secondcumming

*STUFF NZ* are reporting, that this country’s longest serving prisoner, Alfred Vincent, 81, has again been denied parole. Originally sentenced to *Preventive Detention in 1968* for numerous sexual assaults on boys, he continues to exhibit abhorrent sexual tendencies.
So this filthy old pedo must have cost the taxpayer at least $5mil or more, to keep locked up to date – what a bloody joke!

Question: would he also have been *eligible for the Pension* when he turned 65?
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May 27, 2019 2:24pm
- Batman
  
  You aren’t entitled to other benefits while inside, so I don’t think you can get super either.
  
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  May 27, 2019 2:26pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Well they’re certainly entitled to ACC…. and Wigs.
    
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    May 27, 2019 2:45pm
    - Jack5
      
      ACC, wigs, and free board.
      
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      May 27, 2019 4:40pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  When do you think he should have been released?
  
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  May 27, 2019 3:09pm
  - cmm
    
    A few minutes after his feet stopped twitching?
    
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    May 27, 2019 3:27pm
cmm

Is Game Of Thrones a moron test?

People buying huskies as GoT status symbols, then give them up at the end of the season. What the hell is wrong with these people?

It’s one thing buying a goldfish, but huskies are working dogs – not fashion statements!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/113023001/game-of-thrones-fans-buying-huskies-from-unregistered-breeders
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May 27, 2019 3:38pm
Jack5

China’s ace in the trade stand-off? Rare earths. China has has 37 per cent of the world’s rare-earth deposits, but does 80 to 90 per cent of the processing of these metals.

The Telegraph reports Chinese State media are saying the rare earths are the “ace in Beijing’s hand”. They are vital in modern technology. They are used in most digital displays and batteries and in a range of chemical processes.

The 17 metals are not actually that rare, but they are usually difficult to extract.

“China is one of the most concentrated producers, because they have the most lax environmental standards,” explains Robert Minter, the head of commodities at Aberdeen Standard Investments.

The metals for refining require acid baths and radiation. They are largely extracted from ores that contain uranium and thorium – radioactive materials. The waste is often more concentrated, or more likely to leak out into the environment , and the chemicals used in extraction, such as sulphuric and hydrochloric acid, can seep into water supplies.

The Telegraph says that, just as with plastic, the West has outsourced to China the environmental problem presented by the extraction of the metals.

Even when rare earths are mined in the United States and other nations, the ores are sent to China for processing.
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May 27, 2019 4:38pm
- Tall Man
  
  Played their hand a little early I think.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:03pm
Happychappy

Has Trevor Mallard over stepped the mark with with comments on the supposed the comment of a rapist in parliament.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12234808
If he’s wrong he needs to be stripped of his job.
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May 27, 2019 4:39pm
- Straight arrow
  
  I commented at the time that he needs to be careful, so am not surprised.
  
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  May 27, 2019 7:35pm
Rob2

Looks like Mallard was shouting through his arse again. Never one to get the facts right was he.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12234808

After talking to the man, NewstalkZB saw the finding of the investigation against him, a finding that would usually be kept under wraps by the unimpeachable Parliamentary Service. The finding bore out everything the man had claimed and found the claim against him was unsubstantiated.

An experienced defamation lawyer Hugh Rennie QC was asked whether the man had been defamed but wouldn’t personalise it to The Speaker, preferring to make his comments in a general sense.

Rennie said the statement that a “threat” has been removed is an allegation of continuing risk which is unjustified on the facts stated. There is no evidence stated of a continuing
threat and to suggest there is, and that the response needed is to be barred from the workplace, is defamatory.

This going to be interesting. Very Interesting.
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May 27, 2019 4:43pm
double d

I think Trevor’s number is up!
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May 27, 2019 4:50pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Let’s hope you’re right.
  
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  May 27, 2019 5:12pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  This actually needs its own post. Defamation, false accusation of Rape. It does not get more serious than this. And now the whole report looks like it is dodgy as in terms of substance. Fools.
  
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  May 27, 2019 5:47pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  and on Stuff, NOTHING about this….
  
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  May 27, 2019 5:49pm
  - Rob2
    
    Hard to find anything about the European elections either.
    
    One is lead to the conclusion that the person doing the report failed miserably as well. No fact checking, no interview with the person concerned, indeed no inquiry and perhaps that is the same all the way through.
    
    Isn’t she a highly qualified something or rather?
    Certainly no enquirer of fact but a reporter of hearsay it seems.
    
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    May 27, 2019 7:20pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Perhaps you should read her terms of reference and the report itself.
      
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      May 27, 2019 7:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “a reporter of hearsay it seems.”
      
      Cream of the crop then………
      
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      May 27, 2019 7:52pm
    - Ross12
      
      Here is all the detail on the UK part of the EU elections Rob2 –except for Nth Ireland and Scotland where they are still counting.
      
      https://brexitcentral.com/european-election-results-whos-in-whos-out-and-how-parties-fared-region-by-region/
      
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      May 27, 2019 8:01pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/113021907/eu-elections-the-right-and-the-greens-gain-ground
      
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      May 27, 2019 9:25pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And on TV news at 6. NOTHING.
    Is Cindy telling the media to shut it down, or will Hosk’s interview with her tomorrow morning be a defining moment?
    
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    May 27, 2019 7:48pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I wonder if there is a vote of no confidence which Winston would vote for it to get his polling up.
  
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  May 27, 2019 8:27pm
Happychappy

Without being biased it sounds and looks like the speaker could have known the complainant as that is maybe how he came to the conclusion it was rape.
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May 27, 2019 6:25pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Fun little description of Moral panic from art-house TV series Legion:
https://youtu.be/pwQqOdfc7pw?t=9
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May 27, 2019 6:37pm
Rob2

Perhaps the Staffer will now be able to relate a few tales about various other peoples behavoir.

Mallard should be careful.
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May 27, 2019 7:21pm
Happychappy

1hour 35minutes and still waiting
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May 27, 2019 8:01pm
Hugh Pavletich

European Elections results live: Brexit Party triumphs while Tories and Labour suffer heavy losses … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/27/eu-election-results-2019-european-uk-brexit-party-live-latest-news/
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May 27, 2019 9:27pm
Tony Stuart

The man stood down from Parliament after Speaker Trevor Mallard’s claims about rape has spoken out.

Newstalk ZB and the Herald have decided not to publish the parliamentary staff member’s name to protect his family.

He was stood down by the closed shop Parliamentary Service last week, which is exempt from the Official Information Act and will not have to release documents over the alleged incident.

Referring last week to the alleged assaults, Mallard said: “We’re talking about serious sexual assault. Well that, for me, that’s rape.”

In a two-hour sit-down discussion in his home, the devastated man said: “The accusation of rape has put me in a very dark place.

“I was driving to Parliament the day after the bullying and harassment report on the place was delivered and heard on the radio that a ‘rapist’ could be stalking the corridors and it disturbed me greatly,” he said.

However early that afternoon he realised he was the so-called “rapist” when he was summoned into the office of the Parliamentary Service boss Rafael Gonzalez-Montero to be stood down.

A colleague at the centre of an unsubstantiated complaint against him three years earlier had come forward again after complainants were urged to do so by the Speaker.

“At no time was I spoken to by the review’s head Debbie Francis which I thought I would have been considering an alleged incident had been investigated and was found to be without merit.

“It’s ironic that the review was about bullying and harassment. I feel I’ve been bullied out of Parliament and harassed within it, particularly by the Speaker’s claim,” the teary-eyed man said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12234808

I hope this chap is well lawyered up. If he is, I suggest that Mallard is in for a very uncomfortable next few months. Mallard has accused the man of rape, when the “offence” he has already been cleared of was nothing of the sort.

Speaker Mallard has always been a loose cannon; just ask Erin Leigh. Unfortunately, he’s just opened fire on his own team. Oh dear; how sad; never mind.
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May 27, 2019 9:28pm
- MrTips
  
  Cindy had a “terse” discussion with Soper it seems. And she knows “nuzzink!” about the alleged incidents in the Francis report.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12234846
  
  Well, we knew she knows nuzzink already.
  
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  May 27, 2019 9:47pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It almost sounds as though she’s hanging Mallard out to dry; “You got into this mess Trevor, so you can get out of it” 😀
    
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    May 27, 2019 10:06pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Question time might be fun then!
      
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      May 28, 2019 6:07am
BrownSnake

In the name of Love
What is love in the name of Love

We love you Jacinda

No Skin heads under my Bed

Whew what a relief

In the name of Love
What is love in the name of Love
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