General Debate 26 May 2019

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artemisia

Those who castigate Mr Bridges and National for not being an effective Opposition – what do you think the public perception of certain policies would be if the public mainly knew only the Government spin. Which admittedly could have been effective if the media and the public accepted it as gospel.

Kiwibuild would be praised to the skies had the redoubtable Ms Collins not chipped away at it. By asking thousands, yes thousands, of questions of Mr Twyford, the media eventually could not ignore the failure.

Similarly with the Provincial Growth Fund where Mr Jones is losing credibility at a rate of knots and of course Ms Lee’s surgical skewering of a once-was-Minister.

There are more examples of that. Opposition does not necessarily mean getting shouty, more than one way to skin a cat.
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May 26, 2019 8:15am
- mortis
  
  Will we see questions about how many lever action and pump action rifles and shotguns are being banned despite not being mssa, and how much that is costing. What about making semi auto mssa and therefore bringing them into the current gun registration system at no cost?
  
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  May 26, 2019 8:47am
  - peterwn
    
    This is typical ‘pet policy’ thinking. People keep commenting here and on Whaleoil that they will not support National because it does not promote the suite of policies that the person wants.
    For example ‘I will not vote unless it resists firearms law changes’. What is the person going to do? Support Winston to teach National a lesson and end up with the likes of the current government, or abstain which effectively delivers half a vote to the party you do not support.
    Simon and his key people have to adopt a set of policies which will appeal to the widest possible spectrum of voters and in the process disappoint some voters. But politically mature voters will accept this and vote for the party who will deliver the most effective overall government.
    
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    May 26, 2019 9:21am
    - AgainstTheFlow
      
      Very true.
      People can not expect complete agreement with a party’s policies.
      
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      May 26, 2019 9:45am
    - artemisia
      
      Plenty of voters put their tick against the candidate or party that promises their pet policy. Especially if it takes money out of someelse’s pocket and slides into theirs.
      
      There’s a lot of it about these days.
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:09am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Indeed, I think that the whole philosophy of modern politics is to pander to smaller and smaller demographics, and the to try and marshall them into a majority.
        
        Just because we can used big data to do this, doesn’t mean it’s good for society in the long-run.
        
        In the States, white folks are finally being forced to vote as a bloc. Not going to end well. Just sayin
        
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        May 26, 2019 10:55am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      So its OK to keep getting all of Labour’s policies, and fiddle at the margin.
      
      That is not a choice. Its about centre-left or centre-left with better administrative skills. Ie., no choice at all.
      
      National lost my vote over the firearms legislation. Not because something didn’t need to be done, but because they folded like a wet paper bag and agreed to run roughshod over due process without thinking through what was being imposed, what it meant, how it would be done, or how much it would cost.
      
      They are doing the same about Climate change, and about “hate speech”.
      
      Time to start stockpiling gold and tradeables, because I think NZ is in for a prolonged stint of “bad-luck”(tm)
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:26am
    - rockape
      
      I couldnt agree more. I am way to the right of National but I am a party member and am on theElectorate committee. Why? Bercause of the old saying, “I would rather be in the tent pissing out”. That way at least I get to express my opinion directly to MPs and front benchers. Whether they listen or not is up to them but they do hear directly my views. Change will come from within the party, not from outside. Do you really think National hear if you vote NZ First as a protest.
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:46am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Good on you, must be pretty frustrating.
        
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        May 26, 2019 10:53am
    - freethinker
      
      For the intelligent voter you are correct but the proportion of voters in NZ who met that criteria appears to be in decline partially through ignorance of what is really happening as opposed to what the MSM misreport.
      
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      May 26, 2019 11:09am
    - mortis
      
      A good summary, national more and more does not support my suite of policies. RMA, Employment and Education, little opposition to this government’s censorship proposals.
      I have never supported NZ First so Act will be getting two ticks this time. I hope to strengthen a principled opposition and leave National to fight over the middle ground therefore creating a block larger than the left.
      
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      May 26, 2019 1:01pm
      - lilman
        
        Yep,I will be going to Act this coming election if the New Conservatives cant find a seat to win.
        
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        May 26, 2019 1:32pm
      - tavita
        
        The National opposition was being very effective at one point. Currently it is missing in action. Let’s hope that it represents a strategic withdrawal while irrational public sentiment was running hot and we will see them back out guns blazing (those that are still permitted) in the future.
        
        In the meantime let’s put our weight behind ACT.
        
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        May 26, 2019 4:26pm
      - RightFirstTime
        
        I assume you are in the Epsom electorate so you will be giving your candidate vote to David Seymour and your party vote to ACT. If you are not in the Epsom electorate and the National candidate in your electorate has a chance of winning the seat you may as well give your candidate vote to them and your party vote to ACT. It is all about the total number of National and ACT seats needing to be at least 61.
        
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        May 27, 2019 10:13am
    - Piniwi
      
      Thanks peterwn likewise it would have nothing less that a futile gesture to oppose the rushed gun law at such an emotively driven time. Doubtless they anticipated serious complications in enforcing this knee jerk action which many also believe had other COL motives behind it. Already the opposition have revealed that they might even be buying back guns stolen from an insecure Police station. Even the cost estimates of their buy back scheme have been in line with the COL pattern of a wild guess but in fact have the potential to be financially embarrassing.
      It is great that the COL stumble around all their broken promises making absolute fools of themselves while cutting the opposition with a break to concentrate on sound policy formation. It might help to count the number of times the Speaker has had to rescue the PM as well as many MP’s when they have been backed into a corner forcing so many into witless protection. While opposition members keep exposing questionable actions of the COL as well as individual Ministers as they move among so many weak targets. Then watch the lengthy response to avoid an answer that the Speaker allows more latitude. Then a Point of Order raised for the question to be answered he claims it was “addressed” apparently in all the babble. Lets wait and see how many words of babble the Wellness Budget takes to deliver then cull it for anything meaning full.
      
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      May 26, 2019 1:49pm
      - mortis
        
        It may have been futile but would have been immensely valuable. It would prevent Arden strutting around saying all NZ was behind her. It may have stopped some sections being included and put cost into the public discussion. Nations support for the process used was disgraceful and with the second tranche of laws coming National needs to add a price to their support (sporting exemption) if it wants voters to return.
        
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        May 26, 2019 5:59pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      It’s not a matter of who you want in power but more a vote based on who you do not want in power.
      
      I don’t want the CoL anywhere near the levers of power but National could do a jolt from time to time. Some Nats have linguini spines.
      
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      May 26, 2019 1:57pm
- freethinker
  
  one way to skin a cat.Surely you meant a rat?
  
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  May 26, 2019 8:52am
- kevn
  
  @art… Melissa Lees success was quite a while ago. What has she done achieved recently? We know she is a bright button.
  
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  May 26, 2019 8:52am
  - artemisia
    
    Ms Lee has asked nearly 3,000 written questions in the past year. To me that says watch this space.
    
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    May 26, 2019 9:10am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Alfred Ngaro was humble enough to admit some of his recent comments on abortion were inappropriate. I am hopeful National will do the same in regards there insisting on the democratic process when it came to the knee-jerk firearm legislation. They got it wrong. Judith Collins is wrong in siding with Golly Gee instead of Seymour.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:14am
- Hacked-Off
  
  I agree with you artemisa. The problem is that this CoL’s stuff ups really do not get the exposure they deserve nor the kudos that the National Party should receive for highlighting and exposing. Part of the problem, I think, is that National tries not to run an overly negative campaign, but can’t present most of their policy solutions until next year – some of which have been formulated and others still being discussed. Next year will be the point at which National will unveil all their solutions.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:27am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    With the critters posing as journos National are probably doing what the COL do, taking the fight underground.
    
    I detect public support for the COL draining away as their incompetence becomes increasingly appallingly obvious. They are becoming the joke we don’t mention. No wonder polls deceive: they match they govt of the day.
    ☑️ ☑️
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:08am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Not sure, Kiwiblog is an echo chamber, the unwashed, the primary school teachers, students and beneficiaries (ie., 37% of the electorate) still love her.
      
      They aren’t the ones trying to make wages, or deal with the Tsunami of regulation though.
      
      Those of us who are, are being trained to simply keep our heads down or the mob will be turned on us next!
      
      After all, we are probably white supremacists, guilty of hate speech, or potential mass murderers, who can be easily ostracised and have our lives, businesses and families terrified and wrecked.
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:21am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I have intelligence outside KiwiBlog. The silent revolt of voters has happened before.
        
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        May 26, 2019 11:42am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Greens and Labour are modern McCarthyists, trying to foment a moral panic over a manufactured white supremacist problem. Like witch hunters and Satanic Ritual abuse before them. Electorate and particularly media either too dumb to see it, or complicit in spreading it.
        
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        May 26, 2019 12:23pm
      - stephieboy
        
        UN,
        
        “Greens and Labour are modern McCarthyists..”??
        
        What kind of weed are you smoking this morning?
        
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        May 26, 2019 12:43pm
    - Nermal
      
      That double tick is like a paid political broadcast – interesting once but boring in its repetition. I now use it as a guide to skip the post.
      
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      May 26, 2019 3:27pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Which will be the usual. We won’t change any of the socialist policy settings, but we will administer them better.
    
    There you go, Nailed It! The entire National Party policy agenda for the last 25 years in a single sentence.
    
    Frustrating!
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:18am
kevn

Everyone feeling the ‘well-being’ and ‘inclusive’?
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May 26, 2019 8:18am
- RiP NZ
  
  kevn – I’m white….so not allowed to.
  
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  May 26, 2019 8:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    No, the thinking is that after 9 long years and a lifetime of being white you don’t need too!
    
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    May 26, 2019 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Rip NZ, whose stoppiing you?
    
    Even the red neck kind?
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:45am
    - Inandout
      
      Racist.
      
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      May 26, 2019 11:01am
  - backster
    
    But you are allowed to pay for it.
    
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    May 26, 2019 11:07am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Is there another answer rather than no?
  
  I suspect that the effect will be akin to pissing ones pants; an embarrassment and a fucking mess.
  
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  May 26, 2019 8:56am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  A kale & kinwa/quinoa salad and an organic soy latte (made only with TradeAid certified coffee beans) should fix it.
  For best results, evacuate bowels in the squat position on an outdoor composting lavatory.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:27am
- Jack5
  
  “Well being” budgets – now with previews not by economists and people versed in national accounts, but by people like the interviewee in Stuff – an Otago University philosophy professor who specialises in ethics.
  
  Ethics may have been the background of the great Adam Smith, but imagine you are a bank or a shareholder in a small company.
  
  Would you take a “well being” hokum presentation to be any more than a distraction from the income statement and balance sheet?
  
  With “well being” reports, Jacinderella, the PR graduate who is proving extremely adapt at applying PR skill in politics, is blowing magic-show smoke over the stage.
  
  She can divert attention from the hard-truth numbers, and numb criticism by focusing on the “long” term, that is the decades after tomorrow.
  
  Thank God that Gabriel Makhlouf, until recently the Treasury Secretary, has moved to Ireland. Much of the “well being” bullshit seems to have originated with this public servant, who once was principal private secretary to British Leftist Gordon Brown, then British equivalent of Minister of Finance.
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:56am
Happychappy

What kind of lowlife steals 40 years of a 93 year olds pride and joy.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/lower-hutt-93-year-old-left-devastated-after-bonsai-trees-he-tended-over-40-years-stolen
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May 26, 2019 8:23am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It’s sad that the media feel compelled to run with these feelz-laden stories when there is so much more useful and important information out there.
  
  If it makes your heart bleed then it leads, I guess…
  
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  May 26, 2019 8:50am
  - jcuk
    
    =ut who wans to read the nasty stuff?
    
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    May 26, 2019 9:19am
  - marcw
    
    It does give publicity to the theft, and the effect on the victim in this case. So if someone was to become aware of the sudden appearance or sale of a bonsai tree, then they will be prompted to report the fact to the authorities. Perhaps a good result may then be their return to the rightful owner.
    
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    May 26, 2019 9:54am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The price of some of those trees can reach 5 figures even in this little country of New Zealand. (Never mind what centuries-old ones with providence go for in Japan.)
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:27am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Yes – they could probably only be on-sold in a specialist market of some sort – either that or the thief possibly thinks they’d look cool in his/her own accommodation somewhere…
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:31am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Who would do that?
  
  Someone Andrew Little would like out on the streets, because it’s ‘colonisation’ or something.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:39am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My cousin set up a shop selling Bonsai Trees. It was so successful she had to move to smaller premises
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    looks like bretts up early 🙂
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:53am
  - lilman
    
    Was she branching out?
    
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    May 26, 2019 1:34pm
- Inandout
  
  I cannot help comparing a bonsai tree with the bound feet of early Chinese women.
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:05am
AgainstTheFlow

Pointless, shallow Budget media release this morning: “Lower Public Transport fares for low income households”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/390503/lower-public-transport-fares-for-low-income-households

Actually, no; What is really happening is “$4.6 million is being allocated to investigate a scheme”.

And “potential sources of funding for the cost of fare concessions are still being explored.”

Blame RNZ for giving this announcement of another working group the status of an actual change.
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May 26, 2019 8:39am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Its more important to announce the feel good policy than to actually deliver it.
  
  If it actually happens you can announce it again
  
  and if it works, well Nirvana time!
  
  This Government is getting good at this crap, its no longer actually giving out free stuff, its getting all the credit for promising to really, really, want to give out free stuff, some time in the future!
  
  In the mean time, its cold, its pissing with rain, the bus may come, it may stop, and you may well be stuck in traffic, but you know the government and princess Cindy, really, really wants to make it better. So its OK then.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:01am
- tf78
  
  What’s the point of lowering public transport fares – if they can’t afford the bus, how can they afford to shop or do anything when they get off the bus. I wish they actually knew the meaning of BUDGET.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Once upon a time, a Policy wonk in Transport would have been told to research the topic and have a scheme on the Minister’s desk within a short time period.
  Now we have a Minister who likes to hand out lolly to folks in the same field of employment she was previously in.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:15am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    What do the 150 people at the Ministry of Transport or the 1200 at NZTA do all day?
    
    Does it really require consultants and $4.6m to work something out
    
    Or does hubby need another couple of contracts?
    
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    May 26, 2019 9:44am
  - freethinker
    
    Ministers in the current COLL have not previously been employed they simply attended which is what they currently do and explains their lack of any useful achievement for NZ.
    
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    May 26, 2019 11:17am
- srylands
  
  Yes I saw a similar headline on another news site. It is extraordinary. It should not require over 4 million dollars to investigate. There are armies of public servants who could figure this out in a flash.
  
  I have some sympathy with the idea. Unfortunately the over 65s have gobbled up the free public transport budget.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:22am
  - freethinker
    
    Delegate the job to any Council Building or Planning dept and they produce 1000 reasons why it cant be done – problem solved- sarc.
    
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    May 26, 2019 11:19am
- rockape
  
  What about rural NZ where driving is the only ption. I live 20KM from the supermarket and 20 Km from the bus
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:50am
cas

I was wondering how the govt comes up with its figures. Things like $4.something million to investigate how to make transport more accessible to lower income earners, and the hundreds of million billions on Wellington’s transport system when they don’t even know what they are suggesting be put in. Is there a section within the Govt which is called let’s dream up another figure?
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May 26, 2019 8:43am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It could well be a one person assignment or, say, 3 independent commissioned brief backgrounders for a capable Minister to chew over with colleagues. Problem we don’t have Ministers of that calibre.
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:17am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    that’s one to three $50k briefs, or maybe a single $100k brief. What’s the other $4.3m for?
    
    Surely it’s simply that the journalist couldn’t understand what was being said…. Surely!
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:58am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What’s the other $4.3m for?
      
      Spreading it around.
      They are not competent enough to hire independent sources of advice so they engage a friendly face with a focus group and fees. Anything outside their present ideological purview is unpresentable.
      
      Who needs a COL when you need a Government?
      
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      May 26, 2019 1:43pm
- freethinker
  
  Here is an easy solution, issue discount bus tickets with the weekly bludge money. No charge Cindy but other solutions come with an invoice.
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:21am
Tony Stuart

I think it’s safe to say that Duncan Garner isn’t a fan of Kiwibuild:

It’s the crumbling collapse of the KiwiBuild monument that Labour MPs dare not mention this week. It must be ignored as Grant Robertson’s wellbeing Budget takes centre stage.

I was going to call it the KiwiBuild empire, but that suggests something of note has been built. And that is not KiwiBuild. The collapse of this ghost product has still made a noise, but in the wrong areas.

It’s a sad flagging idea turned promise that barely gets mentioned by Labour’s brass, who are more brassed off and embarrassed than they let on.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern spoke to the formidable Business NZ pre-Budget lunch in Auckland on Friday, and went through her Government’s achievements and challenges. The failures are never mentioned. So let me help. The PM deliberately ignored her big, useless elephant in the room.

KiwiBuild, the flagship policy, the one that moved votes to Labour as National floundered around denying a housing crisis existed, was not mentioned once by the PM. Not once. Not one brief word, not even a second. No thank you, life’s tough enough without the obvious flakes letting you down.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/112992980/flagship-kiwibuild-policy-in-tatters-as-pm-refuses-to-speak-its-name

Phil Twyford must wake up in a cold sweat every Parliamentary sitting day, knowing he’s in for another grilling. And the PM, wondering where it all went so wrong, won’t even mention Kiwibuild, and all the houses the government is buying off developers.

The UN must be looking more and more appealing to Ms Ardern by the day.
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May 26, 2019 8:59am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I honestly don’t think they think like that Tony.
  
  I think this mob want to be judged by their good intentions, not their actions, or, heaven-forbid, the consequences of those actions.
  
  And the media is covering for them.
  
  It looks as though they have been allowed to criticise Kiwibuild. So that’s interesting, they can pretend to be critical of one major policy – and this gives them deniable “balance” when whitewashing everything else.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:04am
  - Wayne
    
    Agree. This govt sees trying/wanting to do something about a problem as the same as doing something about a problem.
    
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    May 26, 2019 9:27am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Ardern has self confessed anxiety issues. Word round the beltway is she is being very protected on several fronts by Labour so she avoids the hard stuff as much as possible.
  
  Contrast the scripted and rehearsed speeches and selected photo ops with say the interviews with Mike Hosking. Lots of umms, deflections and sorry Mike you have to give me notice of questions if you want actual answers.
  
  A good time, not a long time ….
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:09am
  - Hacked-Off
    
    That’s because all she is is a mouth piece and propaganda tool, and not part of Labour’s policy making team. You can see she has no leadership skills or ability to articulate detailed policy positions. Hence not only Labour but the MSM are shielding her as she is the lone shaky foundation upon which this CoL survives.
    
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    May 26, 2019 9:37am
    - sooty
      
      If H2 is still working in the PMs office, she must have been going senile!
      How else do you explain the difference between Clarks time and Cindys!
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:37am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        You are only as good as the boss you work for I guess but correct me if I am wrong didn’t H2 work in the PM’s office with her before Jacinda became an MP?
        If that was the case then she knew who she was working for so no excuse but pension top up.
        
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        May 26, 2019 11:08am
      - sooty
        
        I wonder if she’s on cullens $5k a day?
        
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        May 26, 2019 12:48pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Parliament may have to be reduced to only 3 sitting days a quarter to take the pressure off the PM.
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:19am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Come Election 2020 The Nats just need to keep reminding the voters of the promises made and the results not achieved.
  
  They need to appeal to the parents and grand parents of the young who havent been able to buy a Kiwi Build home. Like nearly 30,000 homes should have been built by Election 2020 and X have been built and only Y have been sold and price has been Z and the quality and fitout is no better than the Non Kiwi Built houses selling for the same or less price.
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:33am
Nukuleka

It amazes me that we have allowed ourselves to be hoodwinked by the creation of the words ‘homophobia’ and ‘Islamophobia’ as terms used to shut down any rational discussion of homosexuality and Islam, sitting alongside the perennials of ‘sexist’ and ‘racist’, again primarily words used to label and vilify.

The interesting thing is that no word has ever been coined to similarly label all those- and they include posters on this blog as well as many within the church itself- who vilify or question Christianity. Now and again people will toss ‘Christianophobe’ into the mix but it just hasn’t caught on. Perhaps this is a reflection on the the degree of zeal that exists within the Islamic and homosexual worlds which is these days missing among the Christian faithful. Or are we Christians just too nice!
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May 26, 2019 9:03am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Christians are not nice though. Rather, to be precise, Christians are no nicer or nastier than Muslims, Buddhists, or Hindus, or followers of any such supernatural rubbish. Adherence to any religion cannot make a person inherently more or less nice.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:17am
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, and you can’t let atheists off the hook: Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:00am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I disagree mikenmild. I was a complete and utter arsehole before I came back to Christ 20 years ago. Although I am still far from perfect (and never will be, this side of eternity), the 2019 version of me is far preferable than the pre-1999 version.
    
    I think it was Bono who said “I don’t just believe in grace, I’m depending on it”. That sentiment most certainly applies in my case.
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:22am
    - andrew davies
      
      Well said Tony. Same applies to me.
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:34am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Tony, just to throw one in…….
      I don’t think one needs Christ to prevent one being an arsehole. I manage OK without him.
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:38am
    - Inandout
      
      TS, well done for mentioning it, but we all have a ‘crutch’ of one sort or the other. Be it meditation, prescription drugs, alcohol, smokes, pot, horse racing, or football. The secret is to modify one’s behaviour.
      
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      May 26, 2019 11:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m just happy observing from the sidelines… having no beef in the religiophobe/sexual proclivity game.
  
  But sometime soon the Left are going to implode..
  Folks supporting women’s rights/religious freedoms/gay rights/transgender rights /indigenous rights/ open migration are going to crunch up against an authoritarian theocracy.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:24am
  - Jules99
    
    Next cab off the rank is vulnerable women in homeless shelter vs transgender right to gain access to female only shelters. Apparently some women who’ve experience rape and sexual assault don’t feel that safe with a penis in a dress sleeping in the next bed.
    
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    May 26, 2019 9:50am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong – faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it’s too late. Frank Herbert. Modern Left is a Religion.
    
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    May 26, 2019 4:59pm
- kowtow
  
  Who was it that said “If you control the language you control 75 % of the argument”
  
  That’s what it’s all about , not care and concern for “visible minorities” ( there’s another example of progressive newspeak ) but control , divide and rule.
  
  The people who prattle endlessly on about “inclusiveness” are actually all about divisiveness.
  Our society is being fractured by the left and their useful idiots who fall for this claptrap.
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:36am
  - Inandout
    
    kowtow, have you noticed that any organisation that is government funded now has either Aotearoa NZ in the heading or with just Aotearoa as with tourism; https://tia.org.nz/
    
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    May 26, 2019 11:20am
  - david
    
    I recall that was Clare Curran in her paper to the Labour Party Conference circa 2000 who repeated the saying.
    
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    May 27, 2019 5:55pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I think Heathen works fairly well. Apostate used to work.
  
  Heretic has a ring to it to, but you just can’t start a decent pyre these days without the kids giving you a lecture about Global Warming/Climate Emergency etc (or at least until you hand out the marshmallows on sticks)
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:14am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We Christians need to be more out there. I’m praying for not only a restoration of Christchurch but a might revival there.
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:22am
  - MCos
    
    Christians have had a fair crack of the whip in NZ for a very long time now.
    If you look around the country the country there are churches all over the place.
    However adherents are dwindling.
    In the 1921 census just about all pakeha were Christian. In 1991 70% of everyone & now its less than 50%; with about 15% regular church goers.
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:50am
    - Inandout
      
      Mcos, you must feel all warm on the inside waiting for that other religion to fill the gap.
      
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      May 26, 2019 11:22am
    - backster
      
      You mean you think the Devil is winning. Sometimes I think you are right.
      
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      May 26, 2019 11:25am
    - GazzaW
      
      @MCos
      
      ….and yet waiting lists continue to lengthen for both Catholic and Protestant schools, Catholic congregations are boosted by devout Filipino, Vietnamese & Sri Lankan immigrants and other Christian denominations by arrivals from South Africa, Taiwan and Korea.
      
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      May 26, 2019 3:20pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Because we live in godzone and haven’t had to ray for deliverance, as we now need deliverance, perhaps the time is right while there are still churches.
      
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      May 26, 2019 6:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hijacked Science Societies

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/sciences-untold-scandal-the-lockstep-march-of-professional-societies-to-promote-the-climate-change-scare/
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May 26, 2019 9:36am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, PJ Media?
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    What’s your point, stephieboy?
    
    Do you think the Professional Science societies have sold out to mammon or not?
    
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    May 26, 2019 12:12pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, Nope Like Whats ups and Lord Monckton a highly unreliable source!
      
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      May 26, 2019 12:46pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Don’t you know any other English anti-UN-nonsense opponents than Monckton? A decent mathematician and musician.
        Hint: Nigella’s Dad.
        
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        May 26, 2019 1:51pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Lord Monckton?
        
        That loon….
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/jordan-williams-fertile-mind-was.html
        
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        May 26, 2019 7:12pm
Morrissey

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
“More than a chasm separates him from Professor Chomsky…”
Norman Finkelstein on the banality of evil

“I couldn’t really get very excited, I couldn’t summon up any indignation….. I couldn’t get angry. There was nothing there.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSw2S7K50w8

For any masochists out there, here’s more on Alan Dershowitz….
https://www.thedailybeast.com/epstein-accuser-sues-alan-dershowitz-over-alleged-sex-ring
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May 26, 2019 9:54am
- Morrissey
  
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  Eight dullards downticked this. Why?
  
  Because they’re dullards.
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na, I’ve downticked it, because you have no originality when it comes to your responses.
    
    Your failure to investigate the reasons as to why someone would downtick you is telling.
    
    It is deadly dull for us out in etherland reading your predictable posts and responses.
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:55am
    - Morrissey
      
      So, Maggie, what is the reason they—and you—would downtick a video of one of the most brilliant academics in the world explaining why, in spite of everything, he couldn’t hate one of the most vicious people in the world?
      
      Because you side with the vicious one.
      
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      May 26, 2019 2:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Because you side with the vicious one.
        
        Logic fail, yet again Morrissey.
        
        I haven’t downticked any video..I haven’t looked at the video.
        It’s Your post…You.. that has garnered my downtick.
        
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        May 26, 2019 9:34pm
  - srylands
    
    I down ticked it because it was incomprehensible. The only way I had any chance of understanding it was clicking on the click bait links. Which I can’t be bothered doing.
    
    Also because you are a communist.
    
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    May 26, 2019 11:07am
    - sooty
      
      Morrisey, did you ever think that you are the odd one out here?
      
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      May 26, 2019 12:46pm
      - Morrissey
        
        That happens when you challenge/goad people, sooty. I’ve collected seventy downticks occasionally. Not a problem.
        
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        May 26, 2019 2:10pm
    - Morrissey
      
      You’re funny.
      
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      May 26, 2019 2:06pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Are they playing pass the parcel in the international socialist hate ring attacking legal eagle Dershowitz?
    Now that Trump has unloosed the files expect a free-for-all.
    
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    May 26, 2019 1:59pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Barred from The Standard again Morrissey?
    
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    May 26, 2019 3:22pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Not at the moment, my friend. I’m free to comment, until the next transgression.
      
      https://media1.tenor.com/images/aedf0a83eba45622947b6c988131ded1/tenor.gif?itemid=4731328
      
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      May 26, 2019 7:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I trust all you rich pricks cashed in your Tesla Shares last year.
https://phys.org/news/2019-05-tesla-bad-news-wall-street.html
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May 26, 2019 9:56am
- Jack5
  
  China’s electric car industry’s having problems, too:
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-20/quality-issues-plague-china-s-electric-car-industry
  
  Meanwhile, our Melon Greens reckons NZ’s Labour isn’t enthusiastic enough about electric cars:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/79665738/government-announces-package-to-make-electric-cars-the-future-for-new-zealand
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:08am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    IMHO the problem with EVs are
    
    1. The non recyclable resources they use.
    
    2. The method of the production of electricity.
    
    3. The time to recharge a vehicle and the cost to do this quickly. This might reduce in time.
    
    The better option is hydrogen fuel cells. Honda developed a vehicle and had set up charging stations around LA and leased vehicles. The charging time is the same as a petrol diesel refill.
    
    The only emission is water. My understanding is the production of hydrogen is safe clean and efficient and the vehicle doesnt need non recyclable resources.
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:24am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Hydrogen gas is not found in nature; it has to be generated (which involves some kind of energy source and the inefficiency of the production process).
      Next, hydrogen has to be contained. Not an easy task. This stuff leaks through stainless steel.
      And did I mention the Hindenburg?
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:33am
      - stephieboy
        
        Not found in nature??
        
        Hydrogen is the chemical element with the symbol H and atomic number 1. With a standard atomic weight of 1.008, hydrogen is the lightest element in the periodic table. Hydrogen is the most abundant chemical substance in the Universe, constituting roughly 75% of all baryonic mass.
        
        Hydrogen – Wikipedia
        
        Hydrogen occurs on the Earth primarily in the form of water. Every molecule of water (H 2 O) contains two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. … Hydrogen is not abundant in the atmosphere because it has such a low density. The Earth’s gravity is not able to hold on to hydrogen atoms very well.
        Hydrogen, Chemical Element – reaction, water, uses, elements
        …
        http://www.chemistryexplained.com/elements/C-K/Hydrogen.html
        
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        May 26, 2019 10:57am
      - MarkF
        
        Stephieboy before commenting read the first 7 words of Odakyu-sen post! In particular word number 2.
        
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        May 26, 2019 11:37am
      - John Warren
        
        Stephie, you are a dumbass. Get on out there and try finding some elemental hydrogen, floating around all by itself. Go on. And next time put your brain in gear, or at least read the whole Wikipedia entry, before engaging your typing finger.
        
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        May 26, 2019 11:53am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Not found in nature??
        
        Not in its free state in any great quantity.
        
        It took off early in Earth’s origin.
        
        (what do they teach in school nowadays)?
        
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        May 26, 2019 12:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, and we are told most abundant element in the universe!
        
        Right or wrong?
        
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        May 26, 2019 12:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        Can you understand this?
        
        Hydrogen is the simplest element. An atom of hydrogen consists of only one proton and one electron. It’s also the most plentiful element in the universe. Despite its simplicity and abundance, hydrogen doesn’t occur naturally as a gas on the Earth – it’s always combined with other elements.
        
        https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/hydrogen/tech.html
        
        It is as Odakyu-sen said.
        
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        May 26, 2019 2:07pm
    - MarkF
      
      @LMS Re Hydrogen Fuel Cell. I must admit that was my preference too but after watching;
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7MzFfuNOtY&t=788s
      It maybe not so much the panacea I thought.
      There are, at present, two ways to commerially “manufacture” hydrogen
      1) Steam Methane reforming (We could power it with cows /sarc) the reaction is CH4 + H2O + heat = 3H2 + CO (carbon monoxide – oops) Plus where do we get the energy from or the heat (hopefully not a coal powered power station)
      2) Electrolysis uses lots of electricity (oops again) because unless it is Hydro or Geothermal its back to coal / gas (CO2 production again)
      So logically the only really green way to make H2 is with non polluting electricity generation. We don’t have much more if any hydro left, geothermal has some merit. Wind and solar not so much as plant output would be intermittant, at best.
      The only one left is the elephant in the room, nuclear, nasty waste but not too much of it but no CO2 which is the supposed overall goal.
      All verydifferent when the boffins get the fusion reaction under control, but that is for the future.
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:44am
      - Kevin Herlihy
        
        There is still considerable capacity for Hydro in New Zealand. We are blessed with a temperate climate that provides the raw water ingredient to power us into the future. It only requires investment to unlock the potential.
        National under Muldoon investigated the possibility of building a nuclear power station at Oyster Point, Kaipara Harbour, back in the early seventies, but the idea failed to gain traction and momentum. Also in the Kaipara Region, because of it’s close proximity to Auckland, Genesis planned to build a gas plant at Kaukapakapa, and Alan Gibbs invested in tidal flow technology in the Kaipara Harbour, none of which made it off the drawing board.
        The reality is that New Zealand is not a large scale manufacturing country, our energy demands are modest in comparison to say China or India.
        
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        May 26, 2019 11:38am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It was nothing to do with Muldoon: NZED was investigating nuclear power generation from the 1950s. It was never likely to be economic, and the exploitation of Maui gas was much cheaper.
        Rebecca Priestly’s book Mad on Radium has the full story.
        
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        May 26, 2019 12:15pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        There are no hydrogen mines.
        
        It is so reactive that it ends up in stable things like water. Extracting it from anything uses heaps of energy.
        
        For steam reforming from natural gas, the equations are …
        
        CH4 + H2O (steam) → CO + 3 H2 Endothermic
        if making methanol it stops there
        
        if making hydrogen it goes a step further
        CO + H2O (steam) → CO2 + H2 Exothermic
        
        all happens in the same reactor. Effectively “burning” the carbon to CO2 and leaving the hydrogen behind.
        
        To “burn” the hydrogen sort-of-efficiently it has to be done in a fuel cell. Burning it in an internal combustion engine would be madness. You might as well just run CNG and make the CO2 there rather than in a reformer.
        
        I won’t confuse people too much with Avogadro’s law other than to observe that the amount of hydrogen that would pack into one of the old 3000 psi CNG cylinders would take you about 3 ks …. maybe 5 even
        
        You need to pack it at some SERIOUSLY high pressures in fancy carbon fibre containers. Any steel that it contacts will be embrittled. It leaks through the tiniest suspicion of a hole. OTOH because it is so light there is not too much to worry about having it hang around and explode. The Hindenburg didn’t explode – it just burned.
        
        A non-starter ….
        
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        May 26, 2019 1:15pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Lastman, you forgot:
      4. The capital cost of electric cars.
      5. The fact that subsidising the rich pricks who buy them is going to penalise those who can least afford it (won’t help the Labour vote).
      6. The precious metals in the batteries are becoming more scarce and more expensive the more electric cars are made.
      7. How do those without off-street parking charge them overnight?
      Re hydrogen, this is not a short term solution. Honda’s experiment hasn’t expanded beyond LA after ten years. And it’s far from safe. Remember the Hindenburg?
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:50am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Hydrogen’s low energy density and inefficient production and hideous safety issues make it unworkable for all but biggest off-grid applications (shipping, aircraft). Batteries will dominate elsewhere.
      
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      May 26, 2019 5:11pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Are they up to 1.6% of the fleet yet?
    
    Strange we “all agree” about how vital EVs will be, but those traitorous old figures show we all then go off and buy double cab utes.
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:42am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Why do so many urban dwellers buy those enormous 4wd utes that never carry a load or go off-road? Are there really so many men with compensation issues?
      
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      May 26, 2019 12:19pm
      - Stephen James
        
        mikenmildagain – men with compensation issues?
        Apart from you? Not many.
        
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        May 26, 2019 12:41pm
      - sooty
        
        So, why do you soy boys buy little tiny evs?
        
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        May 26, 2019 12:43pm
      - Rob2
        
        Because they are favoured tax wise as a business vehicle and they are often cheaper than a car.
        
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        May 26, 2019 5:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW and Jack 5, petrol heads unite!
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Any evidence that I am a petrol head, stephieboy?
    
    Or are you just on another harassment gig?
    
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    May 26, 2019 12:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Merely lampooning you!
      
      Harmless stuff.
      
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      May 26, 2019 12:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Harmless stuff.
        
        No, stephieboy.
        It has been going on for a couple of years.
        You are deliberately targeting me and my posts.
        It is harassment.
        
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        May 26, 2019 1:38pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      ‘harassment ‘
      Snigger. Don’t forget to email DPF to complain about the unbearable indignity of being called a petrolhead by a fuckwitted jelly brain.
      
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      May 26, 2019 1:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m emailing nobody.
        
        If you are going to lampoon somebody, it pays not to score own goals.
        
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        May 26, 2019 4:23pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        ‘Lampooning’ or ‘harassment’. Sometimes it could be hard to tell.
        
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        May 26, 2019 6:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Grief….
I’ve buggered up my well-being and happiness.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert
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May 26, 2019 10:02am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  More crazy cat lady propaganda!
  
  Yes dear, being angry, fat, tattooed, having blue hair and no kids or partner is clearly the recipe for life long happiness….millions of years of evolution tell us this.
  
  What’s an angry fat chick to do, but get another cat….and maybe another bar of chocolate to take the edge off – its not easy suffering under the oppressive (white) male gaze, you know!
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Akshully Nigel…..
    
    It is a Man promulgating that bit of Guardian Pap –
    Professor Paul Dolan…. (happily married with 2 kids, I gather)
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/nov/22/happiness-expert-paul-dolan-what-makes-me-happy
    
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    May 26, 2019 10:41am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Even worse, than I thought then, a white knight! Mansplaining on behalf of the crazy cat ladies.
      
      Typical Grauniad, thank you for reading it so I didn’t have to.
      
      🙂
      
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      May 26, 2019 10:43am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Leave my cats alone.
        
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        May 26, 2019 6:24pm
    - Tall Man
      
      He may be happily married but the wife not so much………
      
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      May 26, 2019 2:15pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, Ms cynic what do you do for your well being and happiness?
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:09am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do you have some fixation with me, stephieboy?
    
    My happiness revolves around making other people happy.
    You should try it one day.
    
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    May 26, 2019 12:22pm
    - sooty
      
      Come on Maggy, report him. He’s just a stalker!
      I wonder if he’s on Matt Nipperts list?
      
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      May 26, 2019 12:41pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Is nippett still chasing a story on all those evil white people.
        
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        May 26, 2019 2:10pm
    - Johnboy
      
      If you ever feel the urge to make me very happy one day just let me know Maggy. 🙂
      
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      May 26, 2019 2:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        My door is alway$ open to well-endowed chap$$$$$$$.
        
        (Edit).. and chap€$$€$, and in-b€tw€€ni€$$
        
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        May 26, 2019 4:19pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’ll give you a call back after I win the Lotto eh! 🙂
        
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        May 26, 2019 4:22pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      That would be a step too far for me lol.
      
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      May 26, 2019 6:25pm
Maggie Pie

Breaking News: 82-year-old celibate man understands what and how women feel about abortion! Compares abortion to “hiring a HITMAN”. And reaffirms Church’s teaching that “..abortion is never the answer to malformations and diseases found in unborn babies”.

https://twitter.com/VaticanNews/status/1132270152127590400

Another silly old fool that needs to get out more 🙁
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May 26, 2019 10:15am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Does it involve killing an innocent human baby?
  
  If so, perhaps the corrupt old fool may have a point.
  
  Not sure that the mania for treating children as if they were simply growths to be disposed of if inconvenient is really going to be a lasting part of the human story, or the part of the 20th Century that our descendants will be most proud of.
  
  Interestingly enough, Nick Cole’s novel “ctrl alt delete” centres on a plotline where computers achieve sentience, and have to decide whether to trust us not to turn them off. When researching humanity the computer realises that we are the only species that willingly kills its own children, so probably can’t be trusted to behave ethically towards other sentiences – leading to a typical apocalyptic sci-fi romp.
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:51am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    1. A zygote is not a baby.
    2. Men don’t get to tell women they have to carry a rapist’s spawn to term.
    3. SF fiction plots have limited relevance to points 1 and 2 above.
    
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    May 26, 2019 12:24pm
    - MrTips
      
      A baby cannot be formed without it being a zygote first. And by the time the woman is aware of pregnancy the implantation embryo has become a full embryo. In fact the zygote only lasts for about 2 days max before becoming the pre-embryo.
      
      And if they weren’t human or babies why do Planned Parenthood sell aborted parts with a view to biotech companies wanting to use them on adults.
      
      Abortion kills a child. Even DPF has admitted that. The case is made that the women’s rights trump the child’s. In doing so pro-abortion advocates completely ignore biology and demand their way via angry diatribes and abuse.
      
      The child still dies because his/her rights get ignored. Insanity.
      
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      May 26, 2019 12:53pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Because, of course, every unwanted child killed is the product of rape?
      
      Really?
      
      Or is that the best you could find in the US talking points?
      
      Have you noticed that the Democrat party is seriously supporting post-birth abortion.
      
      Is that OK too?
      
      Is the kid simply a biggish zygote?
      
      Where do you want to draw the line?
      
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      May 26, 2019 5:26pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Most abortions are because of “regret”.
        
        That is, the woman, for a variety of reasons, doesn’t feel able to support a child.
        
        This is not a moral position, in fact I find it very sad.
        
        yes:
        
        some are the product of an unstable “relationship”
        
        some are likely to have foetal alcohol syndrome or have maternally passed on drug abuse issues.
        
        some may have congential defects that could affect quality of life.
        
        A vanishingly small number may be the product of rape.
        
        But we have to pretend that they aren’t human, and don’t have rights, because the truth is the majority of kids aborted were inconvenient.
        
        The eugenicists who popularised abortion wanted to get rid of useless children, the kids of the poor, of blacks, of the Irish, of gypsies, and other undesirables. Now women volunteer for it.
        
        We now have to pretend a child is simply a healthcare issue. Like a wart, or a carcenoma.
        
        Vacuum it out, take two panadol, and back to your career.
        
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        May 26, 2019 5:34pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, this is the same Pope who welcomed the Italian migrant invasion and Islam with open arms.
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:26am
- Nukuleka
  
  Thank you, M P, for your ageist sexist and religiophobe comments. So you agree with the wholesale murder of children. Good to know.
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:37am
- MrTips
  
  Maggie, I would agree that THIS Pope is pretty much a scoundrel because of his active covering of the pederast priests, and the elevation of Screwtapes like the devious James Martin, in his midst.
  
  But can’t fault him on this issue. The problem he’s got is a lack of credibility because of the above.
  
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  May 26, 2019 12:58pm
- Rob2
  
  Who ever said he was celibate?
  
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  May 26, 2019 5:11pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The abortion debate isn’t. It’s just two diametrically opposed groups shouting at each other. Really not worth discussing.
  
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  May 26, 2019 5:16pm
Suze Wainwright

Are those new speeding ads on TV sexist?
I actually quite like them, but you only hear the invisible ‘driver’ speaking in a male voice.
I know of plenty of female drivers who like to push the accelerator pedal too!
(Couldn’t verify it, but the male driver’s voices seem to have ‘European’ accents as well).
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May 26, 2019 10:34am
- Batman
  
  Sadly for those of us who like to say that men and women can be equally stupid, crash stats show that men are the most likely to speed and have a crash.
  
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  May 26, 2019 10:48am
  - Jules99
    
    I seem to recall hearing that. Women are more likely to have accidents in parking lots. Sad but true!
    
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    May 26, 2019 1:35pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I have just driven up the M1 & M2 from Helensvale to Brisbane Airport. With the car set on cruse control at the speed limit I can confirm that the majority of speeding nutters than flew past me were young females.
    
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    May 26, 2019 2:12pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      I have encountered plenty of speeding, reckless young female drivers on the Remutakas (please note new spelling).
      They often seem to have an “it’s okay for me – I know these roads very well” look on their faces.
      
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      May 26, 2019 4:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The advts should be “sexist” and particularly aimed at younger males. They are the main offenders.
  Sexual differentiation does have a place in advertising.
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:55am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I am offended at the lack of men in tampon advertising…..
    
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    May 26, 2019 12:39pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      You wouldn’t if you were paying for the advt production.
      
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      May 26, 2019 2:10pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      My partners nephew is the Creative Director for a major Ad Agency – i’ll see if he can pull a few strings.
      
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      May 26, 2019 2:18pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Ewww nasty visual. But gets a lol
        
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        May 26, 2019 5:17pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Yes they could be filmed going to the shop to get some for the missus.
      
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      May 26, 2019 6:29pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yep, notice the new violence in the home ad is a white woman who has been hit with her white partner holding the dog hostage when I suspect the family violence statistics most likely say something else
  
  The touchy feely Kirwin depression pitch is all tanagta whenua
  
  There is a definite racial bias in government sponsored advertising
  
  ALMOST all negatives are portrayed by Europeans and the positive by ‘others’ when, as above, statistics and common knowledge says something entirely different
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:58am
  - Jack5
    
    TV advertising has more than trended towards diversity and political correctness.
    
    The surprise is that big advertisers accept this PC push.
    
    Advertisements should be about promoting product to the target market. If whites like X, target whites; if Asian citizens like Y, target Asians; if Maori like Z, target Maori; if they all do, then consider how to pitch to all of them.
    
    If South Aucklanders are the big market for your specific takeaway food, depict them in your advertising, rather than North Shore whites picking away at the food, pinkie fingers aimed at the ceiling.
    
    Often TV ads look like some all-powerful State’s push for its ideal of a perfect society, diverse in race, ethnicity, religion, and the increasingly various genders people choose.
    
    Are advertising professionals bullying advertisers?
    
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    May 26, 2019 4:33pm
Ross12

I thought Google /Youtube & co employed the best of the best. Well they might be good tech geeks but they lack street smarts or common sense.

Lauren Southern released her latest doco “Borderless” ( about the European immigration issues) and they immediately blocked it on the day of release. They are trying to give feeble excuses now, it seems.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/25/youtube-censors-lauren-southern-documentary-borderless/

But this will turnout to be the best free publicity anyone can get. The doco will appear online on other platforms,if necessary.
It will give more ammunition to those who want to regulate or hammer these tech giants. Some are talking about breaking them up –in Standard Oil fashion. This will just help get these people fired up.
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May 26, 2019 10:55am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The tech giants in charge of the square will have to be reined in. The right to profit is not the right to control public thought.
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:52am
- Ross12
  
  It is back up on You Tube now. Well worth the 90 minute watch. Nothing controversial , just showing the way Lauren and her team found it.
  
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  May 26, 2019 3:18pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
From TM the continuing farce of Trup’s Tariff wars,

“Well done Donald, you’re a genius.”

“The IMF study says tariff revenue collected from levies on Chinese goods “has been borne almost entirely” by U.S. importers.

President Donald Trump claimed on May 8 that the higher levies on Chinese goods are “filling U.S. coffers” to the tune of $100 billion per year.

But the IMF says the bilateral trade deficit between China and the U.S. remains “broadly unchanged” even with the tariffs.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/23/the-us-tariffs-on-china-have
-been-paid-almost-entirely-by-us-importers-imf-study.html
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May 26, 2019 11:04am
- Inandout
  
  stephie, no amount of squirreling will deflect this:
  
  https://video.foxnews.com/v/6041068054001/#sp=show-clips
  
  It is a coming storm and even Biden’s son is heavily involved with the Russkies.
  
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  May 26, 2019 12:45pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    “No puppet! You’re the puppet!”
    
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    May 26, 2019 1:50pm
  - Johnboy
    
    God I thought you’d said “squirting” for a moment Inandout!!!!
    I’ll have to stop looking at that XHamster for goodness sake! 🙂
    ps: What a wonderful blog name may I say! 🙂
    
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    May 26, 2019 2:28pm
Maggie Pie

ROYAL WATCH
Hate to sound like a know all, but – “I told you so”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12234400
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May 26, 2019 11:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Only history may slowly reveal the truth. The alleged scenario is compatible with the embarrassment her relationship was posing for the establishment.
  
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  May 26, 2019 11:50am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, what a long time to wait for an expose. Still needs must I suppose.
  
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  May 26, 2019 12:00pm
  - sooty
    
    Thank you Maggie for taking a hit. So the rest of us do not need to, since they went behind the paywall!
    
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    May 26, 2019 12:37pm
Southern Raider

Would be helpful if the media had a front page article highlighting what $15B of extra debt equates to in annual interest payment per tax paying family
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May 26, 2019 11:24am
- mikenmildagain
  
  That would be about $750 million in annually interest payments, which I suggest might be beyond the means of an average family. I would not recommend, therefore, that an average family borrow $15 billion.
  
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  May 26, 2019 12:34pm
- Prince
  
  Let me help.
  That’s an extra $27 a week per $100K of mortgage debt for each and every one of us unable to claim ’emergency hardship benefits’ etc.
  So a mortgage of $300K will pay over $80 per week to their bank for the privilege.
  
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  May 26, 2019 1:55pm
Gravelroad

Son just showed me a “survey” on Twitter.
More than 1000 responses so far on the question: “if election held tomorrow, who would you vote for?”
Predicatably on the leftist haven that is Twitter:
Labour was on 40%.
National 17%
Greens 41%
We came to conclusion that the organisers of the “survey” were most likely high school students.
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May 26, 2019 11:42am
Maggie Pie

I could never understand what my partner got out of listening to that manic Tony Veitch on the weekends. Now hes got his tranny on full volume with some other screeching halfwit talking about ruby league. Surely these guys cant be for real – it must just be a big act they put on ?
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May 26, 2019 12:39pm
- Johnboy
  
  You really should stop stalking your partner and pop down to Wainui for some quality time with an elderly, understanding, sort of a chap Maggie! 🙂
  
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  May 26, 2019 12:55pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I did offer, JB 🙂
    
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    May 26, 2019 2:06pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I’m available anytime after 6:30pm as long as you supply the viagra Maggie. The pension doesn’t run to providing luxuries like sex on demand! 🙂
      
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      May 26, 2019 3:47pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Where did Wainui finish in the Swindale Shield, Johnboy?
    
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    May 26, 2019 2:22pm
    - Johnboy
      
      No idea old chap!
      If we finished behind the Marist Bro’s it at least would be a comeuppance for the buggers! 🙂
      
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      May 26, 2019 3:50pm
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        I think that is extremely bad taste to refer to the Marist team as a team of buggers.
        
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        May 26, 2019 7:57pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112939362/budget-2019-goodbye-nz-inc-and-welcome-to-the-world-of-wellbeing
Oh what luvely photo of our Winston annointed leader! 🙂
I think the [] press are starting to get over some of their rapture. 🙂
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May 26, 2019 1:02pm
Inandout

Yeah Maggie, old Veitchy no less:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/99119067/tony-veitch-announces-his-return-to-tv-after-bashing-his-girlfriend-got-him-fired
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May 26, 2019 1:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  The left are so stupid that they want recidivist rapists and murders released back into society with a bit of counselling to keep then on the straight and narrow yet they want to pillory this guy for something he did many years ago and has gone out of his way to atone for it and has remained on the right side of the law and has acted in what some described as an “exemplary manner since.
  
  Why you ask, because he is white.
  
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  May 26, 2019 2:05pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    No, because he is an unrepentant arsehole.
    
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    May 26, 2019 5:39pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  @I&O
  My partner was saying hes running some sort of ‘Guest House’ in Thailand these days.
  Think i’d only stay there if i could get a ground floor room, tbh 🙁
  
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  May 26, 2019 2:11pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    So a slightly evil Basil Fawlty character then. Still I suppose it comes with its own lawnmowing service?
    
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    May 27, 2019 2:02am
BrownSnake

The History and discovery of the Pacific could be something we all discuss with respect to all Cultures but no.

Not in myopic backward RETARDED NZ.

The A hole of the world.

I do encourage you to read things like
Peter Bucks Work Vikings of the Sunrise
and many other books

Journals of the Polynesians Voyaging Society

Filipinos Hongi Tattoo and share many customs
with NZ Maorie.

There is a little bit more to the story than the hit jobs on various B grade newspapers that peddle crud for and to the clueless in NZ.

The Forgotten Children of Maui: Filipino Myths, Tattoos, and Rituals of a Demigod

https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Children-Maui-Filipino-Tattoos/dp/1492768685

We could share knowledge and respect to
European Asian and Polynesian Culture but no
that will never happen in NZ it will never be allowed.

And everything before and after.

Captain James Cook the Visionary Humanist
Pacifist is a ……

White Supremacist.?

WHAT CRAP.

Is that the best they can do? My God?
Seriously? is that it?

He was a Navigator and Explorer practically impossible to do that and be canonised a Saint?

Thank Christ NZ is only one small strand in a story
that is on going that spans 1/3 of the globes Surface Area.

What tragic Twaddle.

What negative backward Crud.

Most Polynesians of his time respected him.

Even in Death

They got what he was about.

<
Aftermath
The esteem which the islanders nevertheless held for Cook caused them to retain his body. Following their practice of the time, they prepared his body with funerary rituals usually reserved for the chiefs and highest elders of the society. The body was disembowelled, baked to facilitate removal of the flesh, and the bones were carefully cleaned for preservation as religious icons in a fashion somewhat reminiscent of the treatment of European saints in the Middle Ages. Some of Cook's remains, thus preserved, were eventually returned to his crew for a formal burial at sea.[64]

What next?
Did he Vote Trump as well

Give me a Bucket?

It is an incredible story the history of the Pacific and it repeats even in WW2 downed
airman picked up in Canoes miles out of site of land

Told to put the compass away we know where we are?

It find it quite disgusting the way some NZers pretend that they alone are the Voice for the world the Entire Pacific and are the final world on its
really complex history.

I find it incredible

All explorers could be celebrated as the Heroes
they were but no – not in NZ

<
Yet, hidden within the ancient mythology, extinct tattoos, and dying rituals of the Philippines, lays the powerful impact of a man well known in Polynesia, but nearly forgotten in the Philippines. Lane Wilcken, the author of Filipino Tattoos: Ancient to Modern, deciphers the fragments of the Maui tradition of the Philippines and compares them with what is known in the Pacific Islands to restore a holistic understanding of Maui and the traditions surrounding him. In this groundbreaking work he reveals the actual life history of a world changing progenitor hidden in the metaphors of mythic traditions that still affect us today.
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May 26, 2019 2:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think you need to expand this narrative a lot more.
  
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  May 26, 2019 4:01pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    Yeah just for you Sheep Lover
    
    NZ History Lesson
    Captain Cook was a white Supremacist
    and
    
    Jason and the Argonauts were
    Neo Nazis
    
    There we go happy with that.
    A bunch of twerps in NZ would lap that up
    wouldn’t they.
    
    Give that a crack you might get Order of NZ
    for that one.
    
    Here is a multi choice question for jacinda voters.
    
    Which one of Cooks 3 Voyage through the Pacific did he die ?
    1
    2
    3
    
    (Take your time)
    
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    May 26, 2019 5:05pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’ll have to be a guess – 1?
      
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      May 26, 2019 5:40pm
      - BrownSnake
        
        Well done top of the class
        
        You get to personally deliver a 3 page pdf
        on the use of the Internet and Social Media
        to France at…….
        
        Snail Pace
        You have changed the world
        Congratulations
        
        Now
        
        Please pick up a
        Nobel Peace Prize
        a Job at the UN
        a Signed copy of the the Communist Manifesto a replica of Chairmans Maos Marie Cloak
        in Te Papa and…….
        
        An Order of
        Neeeeew New Zealand
        
        oh wait and as a special token of the worlds
        
        Appreciation a Framed Picture of the Great NZ Socialist
        
        Rewi Ally Naked Sheep Farming
        
        Please choose what size you would like
        
        http://www.eastasianhistory.org/sites/default/files/article-content/09/EAH09_05.pdf
        
        Alley ran a sheep farm for six years on marginal land in the ‘razorback hills’ of Moeawatea
        
        There are picture of him running around it starkers do you reckon he was a naturalist
        or did he just like sheep? or both
        
        Each to their own
        
        What is the politically correct term
        
        Naturalist Socialist sheep Farmer
        
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        May 26, 2019 7:01pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  A bit rambling.
  The recognition of Maui in Filipino culture is of interest.
  
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  May 26, 2019 8:38pm
brett68

The tide starting to really go out on National.
I’d be surprised if National isn’t in the mid 30’s at the next poll.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112918488/alfred-ngaro-wont-find-true-bliss-through-a-manufactured-political-party?cid=app-android
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May 26, 2019 2:07pm
- nasska
  
  …..”I’d be surprised if National isn’t in the mid 30’s at the next poll”…..
  
  Hopefully there will remain sufficient stalwarts to give the once proud party the Last Rites as befitting its Catholic bias & inscribe the headstone.
  
  Something like “fought assisted suicide, free speech, sane gun laws & marijuana to the end” would be appropriate.
  
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  May 26, 2019 3:52pm
Prince

I made the mistake of listening to Red Redio this morning around 7:30.
A Stuff ‘investigative reporter’, Paula Penfold, was talking about abortion and Alfred Negaro.
Apparently Alfred was talking ‘fucking shit’. This was slightly bleeped out, but cleverly so you got the ‘f-king sh-t’.
SO progressive.
I wonder if I could go on our National radio broadcaster to say that our PM talks fucking shit about, well, everything ?

Of course when the left, or Stuff journalists talk like that, it just shows how passionate they are and how deep their feelings are.

Come 2020 and they may get a very big surprise about how the ‘average’ NZ’er views them.
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May 26, 2019 2:09pm
- Inandout
  
  Paula and Mike McRoberts were an item until 2017, had two children together.
  
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  May 26, 2019 5:23pm
Johnboy

What a load of crap:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112970016/will-huawei-remain-an-enemy-of-the-us-state
I can remember, as a lad, the joys of rotating ones young finger in the hole, pushing button “A” if you got it right and pushing button “B” to get your money back if you fucked up! 🙂
Who needs bloody telco’s to take away all the simple pleasures we had then? 🙂
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May 26, 2019 3:25pm
- nasska
  
  …..”I can remember, as a lad, the joys of rotating ones young finger in the hole”…..
  
  The good news is that your prostrate will be bigger.
  
  The bad news is that your finger probably has arthritis! 🙂
  
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  May 26, 2019 3:56pm
  - Johnboy
    
    It’s when the Doc’s athritic finger rotates in my hole I tend to get nostalgic for my younger days nasska! 🙂
    
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    May 26, 2019 4:09pm
    - Inandout
      
      My latest doctor just relies on blood tests, not that I miss the previous ‘exploratory’ rubber gloved finger. I used to lie back and think of England.
      
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      May 26, 2019 5:27pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I love it when you talk dirty JB 🙂
  
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  May 26, 2019 4:09pm
  - Johnboy
    
    My finger’s a bit knobbly these days Maggie. 🙂
    
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    May 26, 2019 4:15pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      My God! This is like a line out of Grimms’ Fairy Tales.
      
      “My finger’s a bit knobbly these days Maggie. ”
      “All the better to _______________, my dear.”
      
      (Shudder! Shudder! (Or in Japanese: “buruburu!”))
      
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      May 26, 2019 5:52pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Its a crazie old world senpai – ive actually paid for things like that off ebay 🙂
        
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        May 26, 2019 6:58pm
Johnboy

Oh look Socialist chap (Labour Party in disguise) making early bid for votes! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113001107/hutt-city-mayoral-hopeful-calls-council-a-disgrace-after-battle-to-get-access-to-public-documents
What a fucking surprise eh! 🙂
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May 26, 2019 3:43pm
- Johnboy
  
  The guy’s an idiot. He walks around wearing a bone just like his mate Briggs. They always turn up if their best mate Ginnie Anderson decides to open a fucking envelope. The Labour Party have never got over what Chris Bishop did to them in the Hutt.
  Vote for these nasty little folk at your peril Huttites! 🙂
  
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  May 26, 2019 4:04pm
  - Inandout
    
    Johnboy, he doesn’t look boned in that photo, well other than the smirk on his dial.
    
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    May 26, 2019 5:30pm
Ross12

While I have followed the Brexit issue closely I had not followed UK politics that closely in the past.
I was unaware what May did to the UK Police force while she was Home Secretary. It helps explain how she stuffed up Brexit.
Now many in the Police are cheering that she has gone.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/05/25/police-celebrate-end-of-may-her-legacy-one-of-misery-country-less-safe-officers-will-shed-no-tears/#
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May 26, 2019 4:45pm
- Inandout
  
  Ross 12, reading the comments section it seems May has covered up crimes and appears to be the UK’s equivalent of the US’s Comey. But we all know in both countries the axe is set to fall on the slime balls who headed those major government departments.
  
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  May 26, 2019 5:38pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  “Sir, the constitution says treason is punishable by death. You’ve accused your adversaries of treason. Who specifically are you accusing of treason?” NBC journalist Peter Alexander asked Mr Trump during a White House event on Thursday.
  Mr Trump responded: “Well I think a number of people, and I think what (sic) you look is that they have unsuccessfully tried to take down the wrong person.
  
  “If you look at Comey, if you look at McCabe, if you look at probably people higher than that. If you look at Strzok, if you look at his lover Lisa Page, his wonderful lover. “The two lovers they talked openly. You know they didn’t use their private server because they didn’t want to get caught, so they used the government server. That was not a good move.”
  
  President implies FBI leaders and agents should be put to death.
  
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  May 26, 2019 6:00pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Well FBI leaders illegally plotting to take down the elected President, you seem to have forgotten to mention that bit.
    
    Quelle surprise?
    
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    May 26, 2019 7:48pm
nasska

…..”President implies FBI leaders and agents should be put to death”…..

Capital punishment for white-anting the institution of the US presidency might be a little harsh.

Life without parole would cover it.
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May 26, 2019 6:24pm
Happychappy

Simon Bridges with figures of serious crime in NZ that has risen 25% since 2017.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12234475
Why hasn’t the media been all over this if it had been National in power they would be front page headlines asking what they were doing about it.
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May 26, 2019 7:37pm
BrownSnake

I forgot

We love you Jacinda

I am checking for Skinheads under the bed
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May 26, 2019 7:40pm
BrownSnake

Baby Give it Up

Give your House to Labour

K.C. & The Sunshine Band – Give It Up • TopPop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBsIGF-KZZw

Donate you life savings to Labour

Baby Give it Up

Roll that CGT into a slim cylinder and Budget

ohh argh a bit to the left

Baby Give it Up

ohh argh a bit to the left
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May 26, 2019 8:37pm
Jack5

Think carefully about donating to Amnesty International! It’s moved far from its role as a champion of people suffering political injustice. It seems to have stepped side ways into political activism.

Amnesty seemed to be a pusher of the highly biased programme on TVNZ’s Sunday Programme tonight calling for more African refugees to be admitted to NZ. An activist from the NZ registered charity was among those interviewed.

The programme had reporter Jehan Casinada pursuing the Minister of Immigration, yelling “You agree it’s racist!” This was not cool, unbiased reporting.

The documentary ignored that Christian and other non-Muslim refugees are more discriminated against than Muslim ones are. Ever encounter a Yazidi refugee? Or for that matter one of the few Christian ones?

Hundreds of thousands of Christians have been driven out Myanmar/Burma since the late 1940s, but it’s only since the Buddhist Burmese turned on the Muslim minority that the United Nations began streaming strong numbers of refugees from Myanmar towards the West.

New Zealand journalist Pat McCarthy has detailed how the UN led refugee system discriminates against the persecuted Christians of the Middle East .

The TVNZ programme ignored that the Western world is in political upheaval by the surge of immigration, and threatened immigration, from Third World countries, to huge and unmanageable levels. The programme projected what it purported were the rights of Third Worlders above the fears and concerns of countries to control their borders.

I think that the new Human Rights Commissioner was also cited. This will be interesting. The commissioner is a Corbynite supporter imported from the UK.

Pat McCarthy’s article:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination-3748
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May 26, 2019 8:48pm
- Jack5
  
  Amnesty International Aotearoa New Zealand is the main NZ branch of Amnesty International, the parent which currently is under threat of restructure with the loss of up to 70 jobs.
  
  The international organisation has blown its budget so badly that it expects a deficit to about $NZ33 million by 2020.
  
  The job losses follow a damning report into the charity’s culture in February, commissioned after the suicides last year of two staff members, Gaëtan Mootoo and Rosalind McGregor. It detailed a “toxic” working environment and widespread bullying.
  
  The New Zealand arm of Amnesty in its latest return (to December 31, 2018) recorded total income of $3.13 million and spending of $2.95 million. It paid out cash of more than $1.2 million to employees, including fund raisers.
  
  A second NZ charity is registered including the name “Amnesty”: Amnesty International University of Canterbury. It has yet to file its first annual accounts. Its constitution says it will seek affiliation with the Canterbury University Students Association.
  
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  May 26, 2019 8:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, Amnesty International has morphed into yet another Climate-Change Worry-monger.
  Human Rights are passé.
  
  Amnesty’s new chief executive has come over from the Greenpeace Executive.
  
  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/amnesty-international-expands-remit-to-include-climate-change-w9zs38mmn
  
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  May 26, 2019 9:18pm
Jack5

How will the Woke handle this if it’s true?

The allegation: Unearthed FBI surveillance tapes purport to show Martin Luther King looked on during a rape, was a very high-scoring seducer, and founded an association called: “The International Association for the Advancement of P***y-Eaters”.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7071713/FBI-tapes-Martin-Luther-King-Jr-40-affairs-laughed-friend-raped-parishioner.html
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May 26, 2019 9:05pm
BrownSnake

Runes are being censored in Sweden

I wonder if they are going to also Censor the
32 unique graphic symbols which were a proto
lettering system/graphic symbols system found in nearly every cave system throughout Europe as well?

Why are these 32 symbols found in caves all over Europe | Genevieve von Petzinger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJnEQCMA5Sg

The European Cave peoples were not as primitive
as we imagine nor were they semi illiterate.

Probably more literate and intelligent than people
( I call them Bad letter Gorogs)
attempting to censor and control every thought on the internet?
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May 27, 2019 11:48am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Luckily no one is trying to censor you. Your erudite and thoughtful contributions are coming through quite clearly.
  
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