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Notsofast

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Here is the supreme court transcript of the oral hearing leading to a fresh and comprehensive appeal in the Lundy case.

Two judges, a most uncommon number, but there may be good reason.

https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/the-courts/supreme-court/case-summaries/case-information-2018/Trans5LundyvQueen.pdf
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May 23, 2019 8:01am
- WaveyDavey
  
  More millions so the fat f*ck can be found guilt yet again…
  
  Brilliant.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:34am
  - Notsofast
    
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    What a pathetic contribution.
    
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    May 23, 2019 8:37am
    - Swifty
      
      Accurate though….
      
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      May 23, 2019 9:17am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The Lundy fan club strikes again.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:36am
  - sooty
    
    The one and only member, other than his mum!
    
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    May 23, 2019 10:18am
    - John Warren
      
      Whaddya mean? Notsofast IS Lundy’s Mum.
      
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      May 23, 2019 11:12am
  - Notsofast
    
    The nutters’ club have buried the link. Here it is again.
    https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/the-courts/supreme-court/case-summaries/case-information-2018/Trans5LundyvQueen.pdf
    
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    May 23, 2019 10:59am
- Tony Stuart
  
  A “comprehensive” appeal Notsofast? Surely you jest:
  
  Convicted double murderer Mark Lundy has been granted a hearing in the country’s highest court, but on very narrow grounds.
  
  He has twice been convicted of murdering his wife Christine and daughter Amber in Palmerston North in August 2000.
  
  He was first convicted in 2002.
  
  In October 2013, the Privy Council granted him a retrial, but in 2015 he was again found guilty of their murders.
  
  After being found guilty at his 2015 retrial, Lundy was returned to jail to resume serving his 20-year non-parole jail term.
  
  His lawyers argued last week that the Court of Appeal was wrong to uphold the convictions.
  
  The Supreme Court today granted leave for his appeal to be heard, but only on narrow grounds, limited to questions around the Court of Appeal’s use of what’s known as ‘the proviso’.
  
  That was the mechanism that allowed the Court of Appeal to dismiss Lundy’s case, even though it found some of the scientific evidence put before the jury at his retrial was inadmissible.
  
  He becomes eligible to seek parole in August 2022.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/388580/supreme-court-grants-mark-lundy-appeal
  
  Why don’t you tell the truth? The appeal will centre on one procedural issue, not the evidence which has already seen Lundy convicted, and quite rightly convicted, in my ever-humble opinion.
  
  Telling the same porkie over and over again does not make it any less of a porkie, good sir.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:41am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Yeah, I ploughed through the transcript. Even Lundy’s QC admits that the evidence incorrectly admitted is insignificant.
    
    As I said, more expenditure just to keep a killer where he deserves to be.
    
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    May 23, 2019 8:53am
    - Notsofast
      
      He admits nothing of the kind. He submitted 64 pages to the appeal court defining the IHC work as junk science, he bears no responsibility for the appeal panel choosing to ignore it. There are no IHC practitioners in the world who claim that it is fit to identify unknown organic tissue outside that courtroom in 2015. It is designed to diagnose disease in known tissue. Somehow David Hislop found people who were prepared to side with the prosecution, Ironside and Smith. Read the transcript for more understanding.
      
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      May 23, 2019 9:10am
    - Notsofast
      
      Rereading your point you are talking about mRNA.
      It is important to understand the sequence to admitting this, high court, appeal court, supreme court then high court again. The dissenting judgement at the appeal court by Ellie France described the evidence as very prejudicial, so perceived to be potentially highly significant to the jury. The defence naturally contend that the allegation the probable cooking spatter was of human origin is false. There was cow sheep and pig dna in this material.
      
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      May 23, 2019 9:18am
      - Ian Boag
        
        IHC had never been used before anywhere in the world to identify the origin of tissue in a criminal case. AFAIK it has never been used for that since. I wouldn’t go so far as to call it “junk science” but it is certainly not established mainstream stuff like DNA is. Miller is a great showman.
        
        Go figure.
        
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        May 23, 2019 10:08am
      - Notsofast
        
        In fact I understand it is a principle of IHC that it can disclose no more information about the composition of tissue than a morphological examination by microscope can. Also the tissue must be preserved immediately to conform to the method. It is remarkable that Mark Lundy is claimed to have miraculously air dried his wife’s brain when smearing it in the shirt.
        Bullshit squared but it suits people with legal training to perpetuate this. Not so handy for Lundy.
        
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        May 23, 2019 10:53am
  - Notsofast
    
    You show the same ignorance the community at large shares about the subtleties of the case.
    Discussion of the admissibility of IHC science is denied, but not the quality of the evidence itself.
    Read the material.
    Think of a river in a gorge. It is narrow but very deep.
    
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    May 23, 2019 8:59am
- srylands
  
  I will probably regret asking this but who do you think killed them? At least with Lindy Chamberlain, there was the dingo possibility right from the beginning. So who is the dingo?
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:46am
  - Notsofast
    
    The police are vested with the obligation to find this dangerous killer. There are many fingerprints at the break in point on file. There are dna profiles of males from fingernail cuttings on file. These all belong to the killer.
    There are uncleared suspects for the crime at the midnight change of time, the police have the names but refuse to investigate.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:00am
    - srylands
      
      And were these issues raised by the defence in the trials?
      
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      May 23, 2019 9:19am
      - Notsofast
        
        That is a good question. I would have to reread the transcripts of the second trial, at the first trial Mike Behrens ignored the fingerprints. The facts are that all people who visited the house in the month previous were tested against these prints and they remain unidentified. The conservatory area was being used as a workshop, and thoroughly cleaned the morning before the crime. The fingerprints therefore belong to the killer. Finger prints cannot be planted or arrive by secondary transfer. The appeal court completely ignored the significance of these prints in their report. The dna profiles will lead to a familial link, and inevitably to a solution. Scott Beard is working on the Japanese tourist case with dna profiles from her nail clippings, and he solved the Joanne McCarthy case with Travis Burns found with the dna found of his victim under his nails. Maureen MacKinnel’s killer was also found guilty with this incontrovertible and classic crime scene evidence. Mark Cooper dismissed its significance by talking of casual transfer, which is completely impossible.
        
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        May 23, 2019 9:50am
All_on_Red

Last day for Theresa May?
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May 23, 2019 8:02am
- hullkiwi
  
  ….and good riddance to a MP who should not have become PM.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:16am
  - Paulus
    
    You don’t mean that for our Cindy ?
    
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    May 23, 2019 8:33am
    - hullkiwi
      
      I was referring to Theresa May, the MP for Maidenhead. Having lived in the UK from 1992 to 2013, I observed her rise from an obscure junior minister in the Major government, to Party Chairman under Ian Duncan-Smith, to Home Secretary in the Cabinet of David Cameron. At no point did she ever demonstrate that she had what it took to be PM, let alone lead Britain through the Brexig process.
      
      As for Jacinda, now you mention it…..
      
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      May 23, 2019 9:02am
      - John Warren
        
        In 2011 I was in the UK visiting my little brother just as he was about to reach the end of his residency rope. Here he was, a white English-speaking male, born and bred in NZ, but resident in the Falkland Islands for 12 years, then 5 in Britain. He was married to a British citizen, had British-born and raised children, owned property in Britain, ran a British-based business employing British people, had paid British taxes for nearly 20 years… and they were about to throw him out. It’s all very long and complicated, as you might imagine, but it might have helped if he was Muslim and/or from the Subcontinent. His local MP was working on his case, and saw fit to pass it on to Theresa May as the then Home Secretary. May asked my brother and his wife to meet her, and as I happened to be there I babysat my three nieces while brother and sister-in-law went up to London for the day. May gave them 30 minutes of her time, saw the idiocy in my brother’s predicament, cut through all the bureaucratic bullshit, and had his residency rubber-stamped straight away. Following that I had a great deal of respect for her. Just sayin’.
        
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        May 23, 2019 11:20am
      - hullkiwi
        
        John, I am not arguing with your brother’s situation, but May as the ultimate Home Office boss did what any sane person would have done.
        
        Your comment about people from the subcontinent is valid. By 2012, I was on the wrong side of 50, was a “UK local”, too experienced and too expensive. Consequently, i was regularly overlooked for contract employment because there was cheaper immigrant labour from the subcontinent available. Whether the immigrants could do the job was irrelevant, they were cheap, but because of my CV I wasn’t.
        
        Further, in the same vein I’ve heard business leaders use the same language (ie there is a skills shortage) here in NZ. What they really mean is they can’t hire staff for the wage/salary they want to pay and what they want is for the politicians and Immigration NZ to permit them to hire from abroad.
        
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        May 23, 2019 12:12pm
      - John Warren
        
        Undoubtedly, hullkiwi. I simply thought that she was very sympathetic, decisive and effective in my brother’s case. 30 minutes of the Home Secretary’s time is not to be sniffed at. Who was my brother in the grand scheme, after all? Just a nobody. But he had residency approved within the week thanks to May’s personal intervention. Credit where credit’s due, I reckon. I will let history judge her performance as PM once the Brexit dust has settled.
        
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        May 23, 2019 12:36pm
artemisia

The women MPs asking Mr Seymour to apologise for calling Ms Ghahraman a ‘real menace to freedom’ could usefully take a good look at recent electoral events in Australia and elsewhere. They might find that one or two voters think they are snowflakes that can’t cope with their jobs.

The women MPs are coming across as offended and entitled because they disagree with that description of Ms Ghahraman and are trying link it to death threats. Obviously death threats are never OK but it was Ms Ghahraman’s comment about religion that sparked the whole thing. Comment incorrect but potentially inflammatory. She is the one to be careful about what she says.
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May 23, 2019 8:04am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Heres a copy of the letter sent to David which my partners mum tweeted out.. If nothing else, it does give an accurate steer as to the authors intelligence and social skills 🙁
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7JE_KRU8AA4i7h?format=jpg&name=medium
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:41am
  - Jules99
    
    I feel disappointed to see so many women failing to cope with the stresses of a high level position. That’s what you get when someone is gifted the job without going the hard yards of getting elected. Women are perfectly capable of doing tough jobs, but they must earn it like everyone else. If Goliz is ‘vulnerable’, as claimed in that letter, perhaps she shouldn’t be in parliament where we expect elected politicians to fight for their electorate.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:01am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      As a list MP she doesn’t have an electorate to fight for. Therefore she fights for her ideology and the silent majority pays the price.
      
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      May 23, 2019 10:14am
      - artemisia
        
        Silent majority is feeling its oats.
        
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        May 23, 2019 12:41pm
    - Overworked
      
      They’re not women failing to cope with the stresses of a high level position. They’re women who have been appointed because they are women, and possibly in Golriz’s case because she was goodlooking at the time.
      
      They are pushing a social agenda. Which is good since the majority backlash is winding up nicely.
      
      Most women aren’t in any way similar. Rule of thumb: if there are any woke courses such as womens’ or gender studies or similar on their academic record, or if their twitter and facebook friends are predominantly ideology driven, don’t appoint them to any position at all.
      
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      May 23, 2019 2:23pm
  - Swifty
    
    I’m not a big fan of whataboutism – but when I think back to the relentless character assassination of JK, Bill, Joyce etc over nearly a decade and by SENIOR LABOUR and GREEN MPs I just despair at the hypocrisy.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:28am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I wonder if they wrote letters when their lefty mates were burning effigies of John Key and singing in the streets about raping his daughter?
    No?
    Didn’t think so.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:31am
    - Swifty
      
      Exactly.
      
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      May 23, 2019 9:37am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Members of their group of parliamentary women.
    WHO?
    How many members?
    What did they actually say?
    What was the ACTUAL complaint made?
    Does this behaviour break the law?
    Does this behaviour break parliamentary rules?
    If what I read is true, what David said, was simply a criticism of her comments and behaviour around the issue of freedom of speech.
    Final question:
    Would the same complaint be made, if he had said, exactly these words, against a male MP?
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:54am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Louisa Wall and Jo Hayes are a menace to toner cartridges.
    
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    May 23, 2019 10:32am
    - Tall Man
      
      Quality mp……
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/376894/louisa-wall-explains-terf-comment-suggests-police-wear-ceremonial-uniform
      
      I don’t think so.
      
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      May 23, 2019 2:02pm
  - John Warren
    
    David Seymour’s only mistake, if you could call it that, was one of timing. The media, along with Louisa Wall and Jo Hayes, are now determined to conflate his statement with the online death threats (if you could call them that – from what I’ve been able to glean so far it was really just immature idiots mouthing off nonsense in a closed Facebook group).
    
    Honestly, if Golriz can’t handle being called a menace, then she hasn’t the stamina or fortitude for Parliament and needs to get out.
    
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    May 23, 2019 11:59am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      ” if Golriz can’t handle being called a menace”
      Having been a legal aid to war lords in Africa, she can handle it alright.
      This is nothing but a political stunt.
      In Football they call it simulation, they get a yellow card, what will she get……….praise and adulation from the MSM.
      
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      May 23, 2019 1:07pm
      - John Warren
        
        I reckon you’re right. As we should know by now, practically everything Golriz does is a stunt, and everything she says is a lie.
        
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        May 23, 2019 1:45pm
brett68

You can write off the chances of National getting over the line with the help of a Christian party.

Good one Brian, split the religious vote and make voting for Ngaro or yourself completely pointless.
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May 23, 2019 8:13am
- hullkiwi
  
  Listen to Liam Hehr’s interview on RNZ on Morning Report at 7.40am. His opinion is that there is no mileage in it for anybody including Ngaro setting up his own party.
  With Tamaki though, it is all about Tamaki, rather than a true centre-right Christian party being successful.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:22am
  - brett68
    
    I had a listen to that, he’s most likely correct.
    
    National’s already quite “godly” and the leader is an out and proud Christian.
    When you look at Nationals stance on euthanasia, weed legalization, abortion, all big no’s there, they’re really ticking many Christian boxes.
    
    Christian people don’t need to go anywhere else, they’re getting what they want with National.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:04am
    - MCos
      
      I don’t think National has an official position on these things. Aren’t they all conscious issues?
      Furthermore.
      National is not an overt Christian party and to promote themselves as such would be A big mistake. NZ is less than 50% Christian and plenty of those only nominally.
      The current leader may be Christian also Bill English, but John Key most certainly wasn’t and plenty of the MP aren’t.
      The last thing we want is a government that sells everything and gives all the money to the poor, isnt it, or is that not how the followers of Jesus operate these days?
      
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      May 23, 2019 10:33am
      - brett68
        
        You get around the official position thing by making them conscious issues, which is a bit sneaky.
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018690439/we-ask-mps-how-they-might-vote-on-voluntary-euthanasia-bill
        
        According to the link, most National MPs are against the Euthanasia bill which means to me that National is anti the Euthanasia bill.
        
        I think voters need to know how MPs will vote if they’re not going to take the views of their constituents into account.
        
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        May 23, 2019 11:53am
lilman

So it looks like Labour REALLY want sexual assault to be front and centre.
To be dealt with and confronted where ever it may be.

Except……….these clowns new about the alleged Rapist in Parliament last year and did what ………..NOTHING.

What disgrace.
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May 23, 2019 8:13am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Labour REALLY want sexual assault to be front and centre”
  … when the other side does it.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:33am
- sooty
  
  Except of course at Labours own sex camp.
  Where they have hidden it.
  Not telling parents. No counselers.
  No police until after it is made public.
  Done everything to avoid public scrunity.
  Rumoured child from high up Labour party.
  The PM even attended the event.
  Why do I get the feeling by Labour yelling from the tree tops that it is not a Labour party person this time.
  Talk about Labour double standards!
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:42am
  - mandk
    
    The reported comment by the party top knobs that it would be best “not to widen the circle” tells you everything you need to know about how Labour treats sexual assault in its own ranks.
    
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    May 23, 2019 10:04am
  - freethinker
    
    All will b e revealed in Auckland District Court 2/9.
    
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    May 23, 2019 2:56pm
- G152
  
  The Youth camp incident should be as rigorously pursued..
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:44am
  - stephieboy
    
    The accused has entered a plea of not guilty and awaits the trial to begin.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:27am
  - freethinker
    
    All will b e revealed in Auckland District Court 2/9.
    
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    May 23, 2019 2:56pm
- MCos
  
  The alleged victim(s) had complaints ignored about five years ago during the term of the previous administration.
  Whether or not the politicians were aware of what was going on at the time I don’t know.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:47am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Complaints had been investigated by Parliamentary Services at the time. Given the complaints involved parliamentary staff, this was the appropriate channel for these complaints. Whether the investigation(s) were sufficient or not, that is an entirely different question.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:34am
    - MCos
      
      ‘Ignored’ wasn’t quite the right word. However in light of this report and subsequent outrage the action taken at the time was clearly inadequate.
      
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      May 23, 2019 10:16am
      - Tall Man
        
        “the action taken at the time was clearly inadequate.”
        
        And outside the purvey of any political party.
        
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        May 23, 2019 2:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It appears that the complaint was investigated Last year.
    Speaking on The AM Show on Thursday, Bennett said it had come out that the man involved was looked at after a complaint in 2018, “and I think questions will need to be asked as to how that was followed through, and whether or not they did a thorough enough job.”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112935791/answers-on-parliament-sex-assault-complaints-wanted–paula-bennett
    
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    May 23, 2019 10:33am
hullkiwi

When are we going to have management of RNZ and TVNZ who are going to rid us of overtly politically broadcasters on the state funded broadcasting platforms?

This morning, our son had TVNZ’s Breakfast on and they had just finished an item on Andrea Ledsom resigning her position of Leader of the House in the UK. And with it, that breathless fool Campbell couldn’t resist passing a comment about David Caneron and Brexit.

For the benefit of Campbell and other Kiwi liberal luvvies who support the remain proposition, the 2016 Brexit referendum gave a clear outcome, which every voting Briton was entitled to do. Accept the result and move on.
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May 23, 2019 8:14am
- Scott
  
  Hull kiwi – some good points. One of the big trends for the last few years is the rise of nationalism and anti-globalism. People are resistant to being part of a consumer-based world order that seeks to abolish national boundaries and favours the global elites who become very rich.
  Brexit is part of that trend. Pres Trump is part of that trend. Scott Morrison in Australia who ran on a platform of cutting back immigration is part of that trend.
  
  People want to live in a place of customs and values and traditions that they can call home. Some of the swing is religion based, some of it is part of a broader desire to conserve the values and traditions of their own country and their own people.
  
  I actually think in New Zealand there is room for a more conservative party that actually wants to look after New Zealand for New Zealanders and cuts back on mass immigration. Labour ran on a platform of less immigration. But they are globalists in their heart and so immigration has not been cut back.
  
  There is room in my opinion for a party of more traditional values than the National/Labour parties which are both full of globalists.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:46am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Scott, so what is stopping you leading the charge?
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      He’s probably too busy working to pay his taxes to support idiots like you who aren’t keen on working for a living.
      
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      May 23, 2019 2:08pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Scott, I understand your position and I understand and support Brexit.
    
    That said, I accept and understand:
    1. We live in a global world and NZ has always depended on that for purposes of trade and it’s own prosperity;
    2. I’m in favour of Brexit, yet the UK and other European countries must learn to work together for the benefit of all European nations and their respective citizens (I don’t have the time or space to do a full thesis);
    3. I am not anti-Europe, I am anti everything the EU was and is. This given that the EU is most definitely not a series of democratic institutions working for the benefits of the European citizens.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:29am
    - stephieboy
      
      hullkiwi, now how did Nigel Farage get elected to the EU parliament if it is undemocratic?
      
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      May 23, 2019 9:41am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Stephie, to your comment, so what?
        
        So, someone who you object too, was elected to a body that is nothing more than an expensive talk shop and is a part time rubber stamp with no real powers.
        
        If, you knew what you were talking about, you would know how the EU is constituted and which bodies have real authority in the EU, rather than throwing up meaningless squirrels.
        
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        May 23, 2019 10:18am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      The idea of the EU as a free trade bloc was a good idea. Where it went wrong IMHO was allowing free immigration and subjecting countries legal system to a Court that could override law and over turn cases.
      
      These are both matter for countries citizens to determine through their democratic systems NOT for some unelected civil servant living high on the hog in Brussels.
      
      Imagine if Canberra decided our immigration policies and could override our laws and overturn our Courts decisions.
      
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      May 23, 2019 9:46am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        “The idea of the EU as a free trade bloc was a good idea. Where it went wrong IMHO was allowing free immigration and subjecting countries legal system to a Court that could override law and over turn cases.”
        Agreed but
        I believe where it went wrong, under the guise of creating a federal system (similar to the USA), France and Germany started to dominate the EU and bring in lesser economies, who voted with them on issues. Out of gratitude.
        This skewed the power base, from a level playing field, forever damaging the concept of the EU.
        
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        May 23, 2019 10:02am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Continuing
        This why the USA has the system of “college votes” they have, so the larger population states, can’t dominate the smaller ones.
        Taking all the wealth for themselves and turning the rest into a wasteland.
        The US system literally and figuratively:
        The UNITED STATES,
        ie
        reading the constitution
        Each state is SUPPOSED to be run like a separate country, with local responsibility for local (and the bulk) of issues.
        The federal govt. was designed to mediate the interaction between the states and protect them as a whole against outside interference (boarders with other countries, both physical and trade.)
        
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        May 23, 2019 10:27am
- freethinker
  
  May used a Statutory Instrument to extend Brexit SI,s are secondary regulations usually meant to fix up minor Law errors etc so in my opinion cannot override primary legislation which has been passed in commons/lords and received royal assent. Bill Cash has started a legal case that UK left on 29/3 as the referendum contained no qualification for deal etc just in or out. Two retired appeal court judges have stated Cash is right but should the Judiciary rule the UK has left there will massive problems for the UK & EU. If they use some legal chicanery to claim May is right I advise them to retire instantly and emigrate to Pitcairn were they maybe safe, bullets are cheap, plentiful and many know how to use them.
  
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  May 23, 2019 3:04pm
Wayne

It is interesting to see Mallards distortions on display… “I am a man of my generation” as if there is a generation of men who think it is acceptable to abuse and colleagues/staff.
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May 23, 2019 8:16am
- hullkiwi
  
  Shows how dim the man is, when he doesn’t realise that their are men and women of all generations who will abuse others when they believe they have the opportunity.
  
  Then you get this rubbish about Parliament is about power and the exercising of power. No it is not, nobody irrespective of their role in society has the right to assume a status of power which gives them the right to assume a privilege to abuse others.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:40am
  - sooty
    
    Mallard the biggest bully in parliament and Labours protector, along with the worst speaker ever. Trying to say he’s all love and ducks, with feelz thrown in!
    
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    May 23, 2019 8:46am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Through much of Africa and Middle East and Ickystans + india they still do think female abuse is OK. Worldwide up until less than a 100 years ago pretty much every generation of men did.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some men cannot accept that women and children have a right to go about their daily life free from harassment, abuse and violence.
    
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    May 23, 2019 8:56am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Not disagreeing Maggy, but the focus of these assailaints is usually not on the rights of women and children.
      It is on their “rights”, wants, perspectives and grievances. It is all about them and what they need and deserve.
      That is the challenge – how to get some men to look at life differently and take responsibility for themselves without blaming others for their behaviour.
      Very slow to happen though.
      
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      May 23, 2019 9:39am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep,
        Two sides of one coin.
        
        I find it interesting that a couple of my anonymous abusers act like they are big advocates for women’s rights, but were quick to attack me on grounds connected with my sex (menopausal, saggy tits, stinky cunt, sexual jealousy, hysterical) and even have the gall to tell me what not to read.
        
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        May 23, 2019 2:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Woah, that’s serious. I’ll bet the moderators put a stop to anything like that now.
        
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        May 23, 2019 5:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yeah mikenmildagain,
        I hope no other female has to put up with the filth, abuse and lies I was subjected to in the first couple of years I had here.
        
        Still, it would have been good if some of the mob that targeted me had the guts to call out the worst offender.
        
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        May 23, 2019 6:54pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Some people cannot accept that others have a right to exist as they are without their intervention.
      
      Human nature.
      
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      May 23, 2019 10:34am
Rocky Jnr

More nonsense from the privacy commisioner, how do these clowns get these plum jobs? Another blow for landlords, it is getting to the stage where you may as well put a FOR RENT sign on the front gate, leave the keys in the front door and hope for the best.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/112920846/privacy-guidelines-designed-to-protect-renters-concerning-real-estate-institute-says
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May 23, 2019 8:21am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Meh.
  
  “Can I see you financials?”
  “No.”
  “Moving on…”
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:36am
- Evadne
  
  Landlords can’t ask to see the driver’s licence of a potential tenant? But the supermarket checkout girl can.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Nonsense in high places again. A contract by a minor may be disputed– a landlord has a duty to know if they are contracting with one.
  Bank statements do show character, responsibility and potential risk. Are we to have a official risk measure and possible tenants evaluated by another govt appointed rentier?
  
  All this COL and it’s appointees have to go.
  
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  May 23, 2019 10:45am
Tony Stuart

Guy Williams has excelled himself:

Guy Williams @guywilliamsguy

.@DavidSeymour and the news outlets that thrive on fear mongering need to be more aware of their surroundings, pick your game up or retire.

9:02 PM – 21 May 2019

“Whats wrong with that?” I hear you say. Well, unfortunately for Williams, he’s tagged the wrong person into his tweet. The MP for Epsom’s Twitter handle is @dbseymour, whereas @DavidSeymour is a studio manager for Bigpark (Microsoft) in Vancouver, Canada, and is probably bemused by all the comments and anger he is receiving from woke Auckland lefties.

The Canadian David Seymour does however have a keen sense of humour. He has added the words “Probably not a Kiwi politician” to his Twitter profile. That in itself makes him a better comedian than Guy Williams 😀
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May 23, 2019 8:31am
- Colville
  
  Yeah definitely a “laughing at” rather than “laughing with” moment.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:43am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner met him once where he was compering a corporate fund raiser – reckoned he was thick as pig shit 🙂
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:51am
  - John Warren
    
    Because I’m a masochist of some kind, I often listen to The Panel on RNZ when I’m office bound. I’ve had the honour of at least two of Guy’s appearances, and once again I find myself in agreement with your partner. He’s not only an idiot, but a blithering one. I’m sure they have to mop loads of saliva off the desk and microphone when he leaves.
    
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    May 23, 2019 12:08pm
- The Feed
  
  My cat is a better comedian than Guy Willians.
  
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  May 23, 2019 9:32am
  - Nermal
    
    Sorry, accidental downtick
    
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    May 23, 2019 12:17pm
- Alien
  
  he’s just trying to stick up for his girlfriend, but failing at everything he does.
  
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  May 23, 2019 9:39am
lilman

I heard the biggest laugh Mr Williams ever got was after his wedding night.
Cant believe 1 woman could laugh so loudly.
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May 23, 2019 8:36am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I could say something about the irony of a commenter named “lilman” commewnting on that, but I will resist 😀
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:56am
  - lilman
    
    like it,but size has been my problem, 134 kgs at 25,now 50 plus and 123kg,love the gym.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:20am
    - Tall Man
      
      “love the gym.”
      
      And the pies? 😉
      
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      May 23, 2019 2:14pm
BrownSnake

Go take a Flying Duck
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May 23, 2019 8:36am
- BrownSnake
  
  You people have no Cense of Humour
  Censorship never works it only promotes
  lies for the semi literate.
  
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  May 23, 2019 9:45am
Yvette

Allegations –
“You just can’t go out and have an allegation where everybody’s now under scrutiny when none of them should have been.” – Winston Peters, on Mallard’s Harassment Report

Is it not a little like first accusing the media, then MSD and IRD, then the National Party –
Investigations have been launched by the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) and Inland Revenue (IRD) to find the leakers [regarding Peter’s pension overpayment]
Winston Peters has told media he will “lodge a serious action” when his lawyer returns from an overseas holiday today.
“This is humbug. It’s tawdry. It’s dirty. It’s filthy, and they should not succeed on that”, Mr Peters said.
Mr Peters said “they would try and impute my character straight away. That’s exactly what the typical what I might call ‘band of rascals’ went out to do.”
“I’ll find out every last thing.”
Mr Peters claims the leaks go all the way to the Prime Minister.
“You’ve got a political party that’s been deeply exposed now. That’s all the way to the Prime Minister. Don’t tell me Paula Bennett knew and the Prime Minister didn’t know,” Mr Peters said.
“It’s underhand, and it’s dirty politics. It’s probably, in my view, illegal. Utterly, utterly wrong and apparently they knew even before I knew.” – https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html

“I’ll find out every last thing” – Winston. Are we there yet?
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May 23, 2019 8:40am
- srylands
  
  What was the outcome of all the legal action? I cant recall.
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Last I heard he had filed papers in the Auckland High Court seeking damages of $450,000 from MSD and Brendan Boyle; and $450,000 separately from Paula Bennett, Peter Hughes and Anne Tolley.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12068606
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:27am
    - Yvette
      
      As Winston’s behaviour in resolving the overpayment issue in itself was exemplary – dropping everything and flying to Auckland and sorting it out in under 24 hours, to the extent he claims to have a letter from IRD commending his swift co-operation, and particularly in comparison to the Metiria Turei moral mess – there appears to be no way that his reputation was damaged, unless of course it was his subsequent actions of leak which-hunt and other whining, and to that end I would hope any judge would find that any damage would seem to be Winston’s own doing – as per the Craig case which resulted in a similar conclusion.
      Also, Brendan Boyle supposedly consulted the then Solicitor General, regarding who should be told under the “mo-surprises” provision, and her recommendation, if any, has never been revealed.
      
      Surely, however, Winston would still need to prove how his reputation was damaged as well as prove exactly who did that.
      
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      May 23, 2019 9:53am
      - michael_s2
        
        Don’t forget that the first public notification of Peters’ 7 years of overpayments came from Peters himself. There was no leak which damaged his reputation. He damaged it himself.
        
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        May 23, 2019 11:39am
kevn

@Tony… guy williams/comedian? No, sorry you must have wrong person.
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May 23, 2019 8:45am
- Alien
  
  sure he is a comedian, have you seen his girlfriend, she is a real joke.
  
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  May 23, 2019 9:40am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Turtle Day!?
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May 23, 2019 8:56am
- sooty
  
  Give them a plastic straw each!
  
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  May 23, 2019 10:28am
- cmm
  
  Pull your head in!
  
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  May 23, 2019 10:41am
kevn

mma.. Happy NZ Clown Day.
It just rolls around… daily.
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May 23, 2019 8:59am
- mikenmildagain
  
  International Clown Week is not until August, silly. Today is all about the turtles.
  Anyone wish to share their favourite turtle recipes?
  
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  May 23, 2019 9:06am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not a recipe – but my partners got a turtle joke he likes telling in front of me.
    “What does a turtle and a blonde have in common?”
    “If either of them end up on their back theyre both f~~ked”
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:31am
  - kevn
    
    @mma… NZ Clown day silly. Not International.
    Have another coffee.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:42am
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA … an essential read …

China’s Economic Slowdown Hits Industrial Heartland Of Chongqing : NPR

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/21/724946510/the-economy-is-slipping-china-s-slowdown-hits-former-boomtown

He Qiang should be manning his convenience store, but today he’s collecting tiny green berries along the road and shooting them at birds with his slingshot. The 26-year-old is distracting himself from his worries. He spent all his savings — the equivalent of $35,000 — on a store that no longer has any customers. …

He bought the store a year ago after hearing the economy of Hechuan, this city of more than a million people just outside the metropolis of Chongqing in southwest-central China, was booming. Automobile factories in Hechuan employed thousands of people who churned out SUVs for China’s consumer class. … read more via hyperlink above …
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China’s empty homes may prove a bigger threat than Donald Trump’s tariffs … Michael Janda … ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/china-vacant-property-empty-homes-donald-trump-tariffs/11082900

Chinese property is extremely unaffordable

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/chinese-property-is-extremely-unaffordable/11113024
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May 23, 2019 9:07am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Fascinating, Hugh. Please tell me more.
  
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  May 23, 2019 9:11am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Pleeease… Don’t encourage him.
    
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    May 23, 2019 9:45am
- kowtow
  
  ‘tiny green berries along the road and shooting them at birds with his slingshot. ‘
  
  WTF is wrong with people like that ?
  
  ‘In 1958 Mao Zedong ordered all the sparrows to be killed because they ate too much grain. This caused one of the worst environmental disasters in history’
  
  https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/09/26/1958-mao-zedong-ordered-sparrows-killed-ate-much-grain-caused-one-worst-environmental-disasters-history/
  
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  May 23, 2019 9:22am
  - MCos
    
    The lesson to be learned.
    Charismatic leaders who think they are smarter than everyone else aren’t.
    Happens all the time and often leads their country to ruination.
    
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    May 23, 2019 10:09am
    - Garbageman
      
      Good to see you coming around to our way of thinking on Ardern there MCos it took a while but even your most devout lefty can’t look at this pathetic mob in Govt and think all is well in the world
      
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      May 23, 2019 11:43am
  - BrownSnake
    
    Aw Grasshopper you are learning
    
    You must ask yourself why a Kiwi Film Crew
    was the first allowed into that communist prison?
    You call China
    
    You must ask yourself how the worlds first
    NZ NAKED Sheep Farmer
    
    Rewi Ally hid his true identity and industrialised China
    
    Famine and Communism go hand in hand
    
    You must ask yourself what do
    
    Rewi Alley
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rewi_Alley
    
    and
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda
    
    Have in common
    
    < It was discovered that Yagoda's two Moscow apartments and his dacha contained 3,904 pornographic photos, 11 pornographic films, 165 pornographically carved pipes, one dildo, and the two bullets that killed Zinoviev and Kamenev.[22]
    
    Why were Chinese Communists used in the Cheka in the Ukraine? to torture and murder christians?
    
    Do not worry your time of starvation will come
    
    and Who Murdered
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Jones_(journalist)
    
    The Journalist who reported on the Starvation
    in the Ukraine
    
    Were they? …. Bandits? or …. Agents?
    
    What county did they come from?
    
    Why was what he reported suppressed
    as it still is and why was he murdered?
    
    No wiki page for Holodomor
    that I can find
    
    NZ played a role in the Betrayal of the
    Cossacks of the Ukraine and their Genocide
    
    When you understand that the Word
    
    Cossack just means
    
    Free Man in Turkish
    
    You will have learned
    Grass hopper
    
    They made the Ukraine the most food productive part of Europe and only leftie commos
    Anti Christian Scum could starve people
    in a place like that
    
    Your Farms will be collectivised and your Food
    will be removed NZ
    
    Give it time
    
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    May 23, 2019 10:42pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Didn’t you post this yesterday Hugh?
  
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  May 23, 2019 10:20am
  - Tall Man
    
    And the day before that and the day before that………..
    
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    May 23, 2019 2:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A long and detailed report into the Biodiversity Hearing heard yesterday at the US House subcommittee.

https://judithcurry.com/2019/05/22/hearing-on-the-un-biodiversity-report/

The summary of the UN report on the state of the World’s Biodiversity has been made public… but the actual report with all the Scientific work in it hasn’t.
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May 23, 2019 9:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  In more relevant congressional news, Mr Trump has announced that he’s done with presidenting until those nasty congress critters stop investigating him.
  
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  May 23, 2019 9:14am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, some good reasons why we can’t take Judith Curry seriously which inludes her associations with Anthony Watts , Steven MacIntyre and the Heartland Institute etc,
  
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Judith_Curry
  
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  May 23, 2019 9:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You really don’t understand what a blog site is all about, do you?
    
    But here..
    
    https://naturalresources.house.gov/hearings/wow-oversight-hearing
    
    Read the entire transcripts of the Hearing if you can’t cope with Professor Curry’s introduction to the topic.
    
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    May 23, 2019 10:39am
    - Swifty
      
      I wonder what Stiffy’s rationalwiki entry might read, if some worthy took the time to create one?
      
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      May 23, 2019 1:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      steffy girl doesn’t really understand much.
      
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      May 23, 2019 2:45pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Thanks, Maggy. I couldn’t resist this extract showing the perfidy of the UN and they seek to exploit us.
  
  Canadian UN expert Donna Laframboise, who has written several books on the biased UN “scientific” process, explains how this new species report was crafted behind the scenes:
  
  “[The UN] draft a summary known as the Summary for Policymakers (SPM). Then politicians and bureaucrats representing national governments attend a plenary meeting where the summary gets examined line-by-line and rewritten…But it gets worse. Over the next few weeks, the text being summarized – the underlying, ostensibly scientific document – will also get changed. That’s not how things normally work, of course. Summaries are supposed to be accurate reflections of longer documents. At the UN, they represent an opportunity to alter those documents, to make them fall into line…This is no sober scientific body, which examines multiple perspectives, and considers alternative hypotheses. The job of the IPBES is to muster only one kind of evidence, the kind that promotes UN environmental treaties.”
  
  “That’s how the United Nations works, folks. Machinations in the shadows. Camouflaging its political aspirations by dressing them up in 1,800 pages of scientific clothing.”
  
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  May 23, 2019 10:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep the UN is a big propaganda machine, relying on honest, but naive folks to provide raw material that is churned into palatable pap to feed the masses.
    
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    May 23, 2019 11:24am
Maggie Pie

Does anyone here listen to Marcus Lush?
One of the girls at work reckoned that when she tuned in recently he spent the entire 4 hours talking about cheese rolls, eyebrows, and feijoas. Callers to the show werent allowed to raise any other subject. Sounds all very odd to me?
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May 23, 2019 9:11am
- MCos
  
  Your mate listened to him for four hours talking about such things?
  
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  May 23, 2019 9:53am
- Inandout
  
  I sometimes listen while soaking in a bath and he has long periods of non speaking when I think the station has dropped off. Then he comes back on and begs for callers.
  
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  May 23, 2019 10:17am
Happychappy

Why has it taken the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern 19 months since becoming the PM to release figures on how many we have in poverty and how she will fix the problem.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112913954/government-sets-official-targets-to-help-break-cycle-of-child-poverty
This was one of the first promises she said would be fixed in her election debate and has been released as rape complaints in Parliament have been made. Bill English had a plan that was working but Jacinda thinks she knows better.
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May 23, 2019 9:44am
- hullkiwi
  
  I thought she fixed it with Robbo in Dec 2017 when they stopped the tax cuts and gave the money to those in poverdeeee!
  
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  May 23, 2019 11:21am
- Alien
  
  maybe she was too busy changing the gun laws last year to focus on anything else.
  
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  May 23, 2019 11:30am
BrownSnake

If the Captain really did say Cook the man some eggs? Did the Chicken still come before the egg?

Or do we need to ask Moa Questions? or is Questioning the narrative akin to walking on Egg Shells?
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May 23, 2019 9:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  is Questioning the narrative akin to walking on Egg Shells?
  
  “It’s just a narrative.
  It’s the collective experience of mankind.
  That’s what history is.”
  
  Local Focus: ‘Captain Cook was a mass murderer’
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12068606
  
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  May 23, 2019 10:03am
stephieboy

BBC World Service ,

Predicting the financial crash

Witness History

A handful of economists predicted the 2008 financial crash, the worst financial meltdown since the Great Depression. But their warnings were ignored. Two of them talk to Witness.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csyx1v
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May 23, 2019 9:50am
Hugh Pavletich

… The Kiwibuild circus … continues …

… Angry builder Mike Greer tells media to take happy pills as he becomes a beneficiary of Phil Twyfords developers / builders welfare scheme …. KIWIBUILD …

Govt buys unsold Kiwibuild homes in Auckland, Canterbury | Charlie Gates | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/112913336/govt-buys-unsold-kiwibuild-homes-in-auckland-canterbury

The Government has purchased seven unsold KiwiBuild homes developed by house builder Mike Greer – three in Canterbury and four in Auckland.

Greer’s company, Mike Greer Homes, has done a deal with the Government to build affordable homes as part of the ambitious KiwiBuild scheme.

The deal involves the Government promising to purchase the homes at a discounted rate from the house builder if they do not sell within a certain timeframe. …

…. Greer declined to comment on the Government purchases because he felt the New Zealand media was too negative.

“You guys need to take some happy pills,” he said. “You need to write happy stuff and make people feel good.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Read what The Guardian, The New York Times and The Listener February editorial said about Kiwibuild … via the February Update and recently updated 2019 sections …

Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/

… Let’s hope the expected mid – June major government announcements BELATEDLY deal effectively with the REAL ISSUES of land supply / urban limits abolition and proper infrastructure debt financing … as long promised.

Why are New Zealand homes so pricey? It has nothing to do with avocados | Charlie Gates | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/106789344/why-are-nz-homes-so-pricey-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-avocados

Just allow affordable new housing to be built !
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May 23, 2019 10:15am
Ross12

With the ALP in Australia looking for a new leader . maybe they should give Malcolm Turnbull a ring.
(a joke going around Aussie).

They are signing up to this petition :

https://www.change.org/p/zali-steggall-wind-farms-for-warringah
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May 23, 2019 10:18am
brett68

Who’s party voting ACT in 2020?
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May 23, 2019 10:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not me.
  But I used to when Prebs was there.
  
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  May 23, 2019 11:14am
  - brett68
    
    Fair enough.
    I’m currently tossing up between ACT and NZ First.
    
    If all looks lost for the “right”, I’II party vote NZ First, otherwise ACT.
    
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    May 23, 2019 11:41am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      That seems a strange choice. Why not party vote National?
      
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      May 23, 2019 11:56am
      - brett68
        
        Bridges incompetence
        The weakness and nonsense with Ross
        The Chinese donations,cash for canidates bull shit
        How they handled the aftermath of the Mosque shooting which has been dreadful
        Not supporting the Euthanasia bill
        
        and now they’ve dropped any sort of opposition to the migrant compact, obviously their opposition was just because they saw votes in it, not for any sort of principled reason.
        
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        May 23, 2019 12:20pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Do you ever stop whinging ,
      Bill English wasn’t good enough
      Simon Bridges not good enough
      Christians not good enough
      Judith Collins should be leader
      National should set the waka jumping in motion and get rid of JLR
      Everyone is allowed a opinion but if your not happy go vote for Winston just like you did last election in my opinion.
      But don’t come back whinging like you do now.
      
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      May 23, 2019 12:58pm
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      adern says thanks brett… and I bet that would just make your day.
      
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- Alien
  
  don’t know who act is as they just can’t be bothered to campaign in our region.
  
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  May 23, 2019 11:28am
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delete not working
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May 23, 2019 10:36am
- Alien
  
  use twink on your screen it will delete it
  
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  May 23, 2019 11:22am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL @ alein
    Yes but it is strange how some of my more erudite posts have been deleted – yet that escapes the attention of the mods.
    Just saying
    
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    May 23, 2019 11:52am
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      Are you trying to post nude pics……
      
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      May 23, 2019 1:05pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Not fully – you no what the mods are like…
        
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0AQPF6XgAEtHWx.jpg
        
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        May 23, 2019 1:35pm
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        Looking
        
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        May 23, 2019 2:18pm
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        Why mod has deleted most of that reply to you. Might of well just not allowed it through.
        
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        May 23, 2019 2:41pm
Ross12

“Polling Suggests Four of Five Largest Parties in Europe After Election Will Be Nationalist-Populist”

Lets see how good the polls are this time. If they are out lets hope it is in the right direction –those 4 parties get a bigger margin than they predict.
In the end it will be just a very big signal towards the GE in each country, because the EU Parliament has no real power.
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May 23, 2019 11:44am
Jack5

Sugar, soft drinks,and now guns …

Two of those busy bodies, public health lecturers, have joined the clamour against fire owners in the wake of the Christchurch massacre. In an opinion piece on Stuff, two academics from the University of Otago Medical School’s department of public health, based in Wellington, claim firearm owners are “happy for the rest of us” to subsidise them through taxes.

You can bet that the opining pair are liberals who either do, or at least like and support, cycling and tramping, and activities that typically find favour among the woke.

You won’t hear from them that cyclists and trampers benefit from ACC and the health system without any special taxes on them.

The pair say in the Stuff article: “Firearms administration cost police well over $11 million in 2016-17, but the gun owners’ licence fees accounted for less than half of the costs.”

Which, of course is a much higher percentage of costs than cyclists contribute. (Yes, cyclists pay general taxes, but so do firearms owners.)

One of the pair does work on bus and train public transport, both of which bludge heavily on taxpayers and ratepayers. Another works on rental housing and buyuilding, where one of the main themes in New Zealand is taxpayer funded and subsidised public housing.

Now that public health academics are increasingly entering the opinion/political scene, we should know more about them and their background.

Here the is the background of the pair who, on Stuff today, effectively, if not in exact words, brand firearms owners as whining bludgers:

Marie Russell’s academic background is described at the Otago Univefrsity web site thus: her 2012 PhD used mixed methods research to explore how bus and train passengers use their travel time and how this affects their wellbeing. Other qualications BA (English); MA (Applied) Social Science Research. Russell works on the “Resilient Urban Futures” research project. Other research interests include tobacco policy, workers’ history and children’s wellbeing.

Lucy Telford-Bennett, has a Ph.D. The university web site describes Telford-Bennett’s research interests as: seasonal and cold-temperature-related morbidity and mortality; respiratory disease; tenancy law and the regulation of rental housing quality; housing construction types, their distribution, classification and associated health outcomes; and novel epidemiological uses of administrative datasets. She is measuring New Zealand’s respiratory disease burden, and assessing the effect of mechanised home ventilation systems on health outcomes.

The Stuff article:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112865764/why-are-taxpayers-subsidising-licensed-firearms-owners
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May 23, 2019 12:06pm
- Swifty
  
  Yeah I read that yesterday and thought similarly.
  
  What also irked me was their blanket statement that firearms ownership ‘is a privilege not a right’.
  
  Says who? When did we agree that? Was a vote ever taken?
  
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  May 23, 2019 12:54pm
- Tall Man
  
  As a licensed firearms owner I would like to point out that I did not ask for a renewable license to be introduced, I did not ask for in home interviews and regular inspections just as I did not ask for parking wardens or dental nurses when I was at school.
  
  These were implemented for the “greater good” of society therefore have a cost.
  
  Nor did I ask for my money to be given to “numbnut” academics who want to be seen as “woke” and making their mark on society.
  
  My guess is that way more than $11 million or even $5.5 million is wasted on a monthly basis basis within the hallowed halls of Otago University.
  
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  May 23, 2019 2:58pm
mark15

Anyone want to bet Theresa May is still PM by the weekend?
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May 23, 2019 12:12pm
- Ross12
  
  I would bet she is BUT she certainly should not be.
  The UK Conservatives do not know how to push her out or they are just too gutless to put real pressure on her.
  (NB. Under Conservative Party rules they cannot have a normal challenge until 12 months after the previous challenge which was last October –I think.)
  
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  May 23, 2019 1:29pm
Maggie Pie

WOW!! so fab to see Millie ElderHolmes has added yet another tattoo to her beautiful body – this time on her neck. She really is just sooo gawjus.
You GO gurl!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxxkF30iBot/
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May 23, 2019 12:20pm
- Jack5
  
  GO where, Maggie?
  
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  May 23, 2019 12:30pm
  - Alien
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GER396B6M7w
    
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    May 23, 2019 1:21pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Dont mean to sound churlish – but to the gym!
    Looks like Mills has put on a fair bit of beef lately. Must be all that oily Geek food shes eating.
    
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    May 23, 2019 1:39pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  At least it’s not as ugly as her mum’s.
  
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  May 23, 2019 1:25pm
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    Marginal.
    
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    May 23, 2019 3:00pm
- Jules99
  
  So no job at Air NZ then. Sadly, that tat won’t age well.
  
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  May 23, 2019 1:33pm
- Inandout
  
  MP, and Millie’s mum is a doctor, of the ‘reduced pass rate kind’. But I agree, just amazeballs.
  
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  May 23, 2019 2:08pm
- Scooter
  
  Let’s see how it looks in another 30+ years
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:20pm
Jack5

Here we go …

Labour is going to change its policy so the Government can take on more debt.

Millions for bike tracks between Wellington and Hutt Valley, anti-violence counsellors and advisers, for subsidies for X and subsidies for Y.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/389861/government-to-loosen-debt-its-target-rules-in-future-robertson
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May 23, 2019 12:22pm
hullkiwi

From the WTF file:

RNZ this morning are reporting Chris Bishop requesting that Stuart Nash (Minister of Police) front to reports that the Police have “bought back” the guns stolen from the raid on the Palmerston North Police Station on ANZAC Day.

Is this yet more anecdotol evidence of what a farce the new gun laws are and the police’s inept response to administering the country’s gun laws?
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May 23, 2019 12:22pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I wonder if Nash will front this afternoon, given there are no fewer than three questions addressed to him:
  
  9) CHRIS BISHOP to the Minister of Police: Does he stand by all statements, policies, and actions of the Police in relation to the theft of 11 guns from the Palmerston North police station?
  
  10) GREG O’CONNOR to the Minister of Police: What recent announcements has he made about making it easier for the public to get in touch with Police for non-emergency events?
  
  11) Hon Dr NICK SMITH to the Minister of Police: Did he make the statement on TVNZ One News in December in response to the launch of Matthew’s Petition urgently seeking the introduction of random roadside drug testing so as to reduce the escalating road toll from drugged drivers, “There’s a discussion document that’s been approved by Cabinet”; if so, was the statement correct at that time?
  
  He ducked and dived all over the place yesterday when Bishop questioned him on the alleged “buy-back”. If what Bishop is alleging is true, and the Police paid money to recover something stolen FROM THEM, then heads should roll.
  
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  May 23, 2019 12:31pm
  - Alien
    
    Chances are he’ll be absent, too many questions for him to duck
    
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    May 23, 2019 12:38pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And i see theres no questions to the PM? I was hoping to see what she had on again today – may as well just give the whole thing a miss then.
    
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    May 23, 2019 1:10pm
    - Alien
      
      Don’t you want to see what brownlee is wearing
      
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      May 23, 2019 1:20pm
    - mandk
      
      No point in asking the PM questions.
      
      She’s adept at not answering them, and Speaker Mallard is constantly running interference for her.
      
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      May 23, 2019 1:43pm
    - rangitoto
      
      The PM isn’t usually in the house on Thursdays. It’s kindy visit day.
      
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      May 23, 2019 2:09pm
      - Alien
        
        That is totally incorrect, she does not visit caucus today
        
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        May 23, 2019 2:16pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Recent PMs have routinely missed Thursday sittings.
        
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        May 23, 2019 4:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ll be interested in the Greg O’Connor reply…
    went downtown for Lunch on Monday to discover Cafe boss had just come off phoning 111 to report a fight happening in the main street.
    
    As she was put onto a recorded message when she requested the Police… she gave up…. and came to serve us instead.
    
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    May 23, 2019 2:50pm
John Warren

Having learned nothing from their previous target-setting debacles for KiwiBuild and KiwiTreePlant, the Government now has another bunch of essentially meaningless and unachievable figures to work to:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/389816/government-stands-by-targets-to-reduce-child-poverty

So many questions! Is Phil Twyford going to be in charge? I wonder how long before there’s a recalibration? Will DPF add another counter to the site?
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May 23, 2019 12:48pm
- Piniwi
  
  Expect JW that should read “Govt will stand by revised targets to reduce child poverty.” Like so many recent announcements this revised target is for 10 years. This is after rejigging the units of measure to help them save face over yet another failure. They still fail to understand the unintended consequences that their policies create or the outcomes of throwing more money at problems.
  While they make continuous claims of the amounts gained by recipients of the Families Package the same group are just marking time. The $600 million drop in tax receipts indicates they are not getting the lift they expected from this wasted funding. While even greater numbers are really feeling the pinch as they adjust their spending to meet cost of living increases. Along with a drop in confidence from voters as well as business come a natural reduction in the velocity of money. The vital element that helps drive a healthy, buoyant economy which is the means to address serious issues with fiscal responsibility along with the funds to do it. The biggest question now is how much more is the Wellness Budget going to push NZ to the dark side of the 8 ball? Since they think it is all a game.
  
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  May 23, 2019 4:10pm
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/oliver-peterson-australian-cities-shut-down-by-vegan-protesters/

And they want to rule the world?
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May 23, 2019 3:29pm
Morrissey

Deadbeat Dads
No. 10: The U.S. Government

….He is feared by the entire neighborhood, by his allies and enemies alike. The neighbors who support him only do so because he’s got such tight control over the neighborhood, and they know that their lives will be made easy if they work with him and painful if they work against him. So they do what they need to do to avoid being targeted while secretly wishing that he has a heart attack in his sleep.

“It’s either us or them,” the father often tells his family. “I need to keep everyone around us in line, because there’s no telling who might come after us. We’ve earned a special place in this neighborhood, so it’s our job to lead it.”

Once in a great while, if someone’s feeling particularly brave, they might point out that the father is constantly doing the things he’s afraid of his neighbors doing to him.

“It’s different when I do it!” he always barks in response while adding their name to his personal blacklist. “Our family is exceptional, so we’re the exception to the rules.”

And the mother, well like most mothers she’s in charge of managing the stories the family tells about what’s going on. Whenever a neighbor turns up wounded or dead, she’s responsible for telling the children that it was the neighbor’s fault, and their father was only protecting them. …

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/america-is-like-a-bad-dad-cdc55fbb281e

https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-how-the-us-politically-vulgarizes-genocide-and-war-crimes/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ymbBY1BJI

Keep up with all the Deadbeat Dads….
1 Sir John Key, 2 Bill “Double Dipper” English; 3 Sir Douglas Graham; 4 John Banks; 5 David Cameron; 6 Kingsley Amis; 7 John Slater; 8 Fred Trump; 9 Donald Trump.
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May 23, 2019 3:41pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Not this again, surely Morrissey. Where, in the interest of fairness, are all the Deadbeat Dads from the Left; David Lange, who walked out on his family for his speechwriter, Trevor Mallard, who punches other MP’s and threatens people he doesn’t like with the insertion of beer bottles, Dover Samuels, who had sex with a young girl he was supposed to be protecting, David Cunliffe, and many others.
  
  I mean, really; if you’re going to sling sh*t at people, at least do it with a bit of balance, rather than simply prove everyone’s perception that you are a partisan hack.
  
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  May 23, 2019 3:50pm
  - Morrissey
    
    ????? I have a record of being far harsher on Labour politicians than on National.
    
    Your allegation of bias is ill informed and therefore unjustified.
    
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    May 23, 2019 4:00pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Bollocks Morrissey. Where are the Labour MP’s on your Deadbeat Dads list? With the exception of Kingsley Amis and Fred Trump, all of those on your list are politicians from the National, Act, the Tories or the GOP.
      
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      May 23, 2019 5:17pm
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        Do you think that morrissey likes Labour party?
        
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        May 23, 2019 6:12pm
    - Komata
      
      Morrisey@1600
      
      Tony S has asked a reasonable question, so instead of protesting, just point out where they are on the list.
      
      Others will be interested in that information as well.
      
      Thank you
      
      1819)
      
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      May 23, 2019 6:19pm
Jack5

A new big blow for Huawei.

ARM, the superb British computer processor maker now owned by Japanese, has instructed staff to halt all work with Huawei.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48363772
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May 23, 2019 3:43pm
- rangitoto
  
  Samsung wont be unhappy.
  
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  May 23, 2019 5:14pm
Ross12

On the eve of the EU elections Juncker comes out with this

” Juncker went off on nationalists today in a CNN interview saying, “These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” Juncker told CNN in his Brussels office. ”

I wonder if he is pulled up on it, he will use the excuse of being drunk when he said it.
People wonder why the UK voted for Brexit –do they need any more reasons?
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May 23, 2019 4:01pm
- John Warren
  
  Well done, Claude. That is the definition of a nationalist. Go to the top of the class!
  
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  May 23, 2019 4:34pm
  - Komata
    
    JW@1634
    
    Note the words that were used (this by an unelected official BTW), and the contempt and loathing behind them, especially about those who ‘love their own countries’.
    
    No doubt about it, he’s globalist, but the question has to be asked: What is he AFRAID of?
    
    Thank you.
    
    (1815)
    
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    May 23, 2019 6:15pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/family-life/112850032/i-dont-care-if-she-completely-destroys-everybody-game-of-thrones-superfan-has-no-regrets

Ah, these Wainuiomata women !
The spirit of Chloe lives on !
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May 23, 2019 4:36pm
Doubledimp

Help me understand something. Disclosing who the father of your child is to the State is BAD, but having an agent of the State in your house possibly 24/7 is GOOD?
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May 23, 2019 4:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I’ll just leave this here. AOC thinks ‘compost’ gets picked up? Not used back on the garden? No shit. Watch, she said it. No fake news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=PUJ6o4tqwyM&fbclid=IwAR2X7CpPlbQ1SO6Y5gCOEcosnlRskqBT5fMIlU1zt1IVPSN9zt9jSH0jR9Y&app=desktop
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May 23, 2019 4:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  Well I guess we can’t send ardern there as they’ve already got a village idiot.
  
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  May 23, 2019 6:42pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That’s nice. More importantly, how did Infrastructure Week work out for the president this year?
  
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  May 23, 2019 7:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Is that a squirrel mikey or are you genuinely unable to keep on track?
    
    May explain the lack of employment opportunities if that is the case.
    
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    May 23, 2019 11:38pm
Hugh Pavletich

The Most Expensive Cities For Public Transport …. Statista

https://www.statista.com/chart/18084/average-cost-of-a-monthly-ticket-for-public-transportation/

… DEUTSCHE BANK / STATISTA: The Most Expensive Cities For Public Transport …

… Why is Auckland so expensive ? …

(graph)

Deutsche Bank recently released the 8th edition of its annual survey of global prices and living standards from various cities and countries. Among the many different categories analyzed was the price of public transportation in 55 major cities. The research uncovered a major disparity in the cost of a monthly ticket and it ranged from $89 in Berlin to just $15 in Buenos Aires on average. Nowhere has average public transportation costs as high as London, however and a monthly pass sets commuters back a whopping $179. Despite the high price, the UK’s capital does have an extensive and efficient network with the buses, the tube and light rail accounting for 37 percent of the city’s journeys. … read more via hyperlink above …
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May 23, 2019 5:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Any info on which city has the highest prices for beer, Hugh?
  
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  May 23, 2019 5:26pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/112943820/super-rugby-crusaders-could-be-poised-for-brand-changes-as-they-await-research-results

How does “Canterbury Cowards” sound ?
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May 23, 2019 6:18pm
- Jack5
  
  Has rugby learned nothing from the reaction to Australian rugby’s moves to block the free-speech rights of Israel Folau?
  
  A name change move for the Crusaders has been consistently pushed by the sports sections of the media.
  
  But this poll showed that’s not what the fans want, and if there is a change there will be consequences:
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/striking-new-poll-indicates-vast-majority-kiwis-want-crusaders-keep-their-name
  
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  May 23, 2019 8:52pm
Tall Man

https://twitter.com/SamNZLabour

Prissy little snowflake isn’t it.
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May 23, 2019 6:34pm
- Alien
  
  So where is sam’s support for an mp who is genuinely being threatened
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12233772
  
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  May 23, 2019 7:20pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Who is this Gorliz he keeps referring to?
  
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  May 23, 2019 10:02pm
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/business/former-trustee-of-far-north-maori-fund-admits-stealing-1m-midway-through-high-court-trial/

Can’t wait to see the sentence.
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May 23, 2019 6:37pm
Alien

Whoops, better call Shane

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112845400/secret-video-appears-to-show-trucking-boss-telling-driver-to-falsify-logbook

“A Northland trucking boss under investigation by the transport safety regulator appears to have told a Filipino truck driver to manipulate his logbook or risk his job.

A secret recording of a conversation between Stan Semenoff, the former Mayor of Whangārei, and a former employee was played in the High Court in Auckland on Monday, during a hearing on the New Zealand Transport Agency’s (NZTA) bid to revoke the operating licence of Stan Semenoff Logging.“
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May 23, 2019 7:09pm
wreck1080

Wow, this guy is a piece of work. Shane jones mate.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112845400/secret-video-appears-to-show-trucking-boss-telling-driver-to-falsify-logbook

This is why we unfortunately still need unions. Bosses like this, ordering employees to break the law or be fired and sent back to the Philippines.
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May 23, 2019 7:19pm
nasska

The report concerning the 2015 Fox Glacier Helicopter crash has been released:

……”The Transport Accident Investigation Commission’s released its final findings into the crash that killed all seven on board, pointing out central reasons such as poor weather conditions, inexperience and a breach of weight limits.”…..

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/report-reveals-reasons-behind-fox-glacier-helicopter-crash/

I have no criticism of their findings which are in all likelihood factual & complete.

What I do take issue with is the time taken for completion of these & other reports/findings. Instance coroner’s decisions that take three years & more to surface.

So many examples exist of the lives of families & individuals grossly inconvenienced & grieving delayed because some worthless & overpaid petty official will not be hurried.
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May 23, 2019 8:01pm
Jack5

Hager the Horrible against one of Kiwiblog’s posters, Wayne Mapp:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/389908/defence-force-did-not-obey-rules-of-engagement-hager-says
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May 23, 2019 8:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Goodness,
Jacinda Ardern’s Chief of Staff has Huawei as one of his clients.
https://twitter.com/bryce_edwards/status/1131419776712970240?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Wonder if Washington knew?
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- MrTips
  
  Dunno, but China probably knew if the USA did or not! And that guy with the Twitter handle Humpty Dumpty is a TotalDick™ troll.
  
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