General Debate 21 May 2019

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Maggie Pie

Missing LARRY yet?
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May 21, 2019 8:05am
- marcw
  
  Omg – it is terrible, so much so I am listening to music stations instead. My recurring nightmare is being stuck in a room with 3 speakers:
  1 Motor mouth HDLP
  2 Know everything Pagani
  3 Kindergarten excited Swinell
  
  And I can’t reach the off switch.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:55am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well i really really like listening to Heather. Now shes moved to Auckland i’m actually hoping to bump into her somewhere so i can introduce myself. She sounds like my type of gal – bubbly personality and very smart. I can already tell from the tone of her voice we have at least one thing in common, neither of us can stand that Barry bloody Soper 🙁
    
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    May 21, 2019 11:36am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Magic talk. Giving it a go, not sure, but otherwise its Hauraki or Concert! 🙁
    
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    May 23, 2019 11:38am
- Positan
  
  I’d REALLY like the opportunity to miss Kerre McIvor. The ZB slot once run so fascinatingly by Leighton Smith has degenerated to the point of complete un-listen-ability.
  
  Has anyone else told ZB that its prime slot is dead in the water?
  
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  May 21, 2019 11:06am
softail 1450

FFS,Im as sick of Pike river as I am of Jacinda Arderne,when is this shit going to end ? 3000 people have died on our roads since that mine disaster ,are we forced at regular occasions to mourn those poor people and their grieving families?
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May 21, 2019 8:05am
- MickMac
  
  Why haven’t the repeated infractions of mine safety by the mining teams including those who died not been properly reported?
  
  We got a little glimpse early on but since then nothing?
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:22am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Andrew Little was head of the Union at the time. IMHO he is guilt ridden as he knows the culprits were the Board the Management the Union and the Workers all of whom played a part in the matter.
    
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    May 21, 2019 8:49am
    - ldypen
      
      I have had to deal with him in his previous position, I can just about guarantee you that he will not be guilt ridden.
      
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      May 21, 2019 9:14am
- Deane Jessep
  
  You and me both mate. Though maybe we should be mourning the road toll more often. Unfortunately the quick win that the NZ govt had over 2000-2010 with their shock tactic ads have probably desensitised the public too much for any serious mourning to gain traction.
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:26am
- Alien
  
  hopefully today goes well, a nice safe entry and that this story can finally be put to rest.
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:49am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    You’re kidding, eh?
    Today they only opened the doors.
    This is going to go on for weeks, even supposing they can continue access and not get gassed back out, as they make their way to where the men had been working – dusting for fingerprints to advance the witch-hunt as they go – with the bill to the taxpayer climbing as well.
    
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    May 21, 2019 3:44pm
    - Alien
      
      No I’m not kidding, I hope it goes well and no one gets injuried and finally this can be put to rest instead of the ongoing costs it has lead to by a few families.
      
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      May 21, 2019 5:18pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Yes, this is the “nine long years” I’m sick to death of. The whole thing has become cultish. MSM, if you’re listening, we are over it.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:01am
krazykiwi

We don’t need more bitter socialists here. Please stay in Oz and watch your country flourish under the ideology you despise.
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May 21, 2019 8:09am
- hullkiwi
  
  RNZ reported that on Sunday internet hits on the 2 NZ Inmigration web sites jumped from 2500 on Sunday 12/05 to 11000 on Sunday 19/05, and actual people applying for visas went from 20 a seek ago to 750 yesterday. However, reality will kick in when they find out about NZ wage levels and cost of living.
  
  The other interesting point is the volume of enquiries coming from Queensland.
  
  I said it it yesterday and I’ll say it again, NZ doesn’t need a bunch of sore losers who can’t handle a democratic result.
  
  And for the benefit of Stephie, Micky, Ian Boag and PM:
  Yes, a lot of us on here (this blog) bitch and whinge about Jacinda, Winston and the CoL, but most of us (some have) have not said we would leave though.
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:56am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Refugees from democracy, Lange called them.
    
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    May 21, 2019 9:09am
  - MCos
    
    ‘I said it it yesterday and I’ll say it again, NZ doesn’t need a bunch of sore losers who can’t handle a democratic result.’
    
    Certainly don’t get that sort of thing over here.
    
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    May 21, 2019 10:51am
    - Tall Man
      
      If you’re trying to be a smart arse you need more practice.
      
      Left wing voters gave ardern and her bunch of empty promises 37%, watermelons with their extreme left policies gained 6.3%.
      
      Centre right parties like National and “what’s in it for wynston” gained 54% of the popular vote,
      
      Please list me any policies promoted by “what’s in it for wynston” that you deem to be left of centre.
      
      As far as I am concerned reducing immigration to 10,000 per annum and removing dedicated maori seats are about as right wing as any party would have the balls to put to the electorate.
      
      “what’s in it for wynston” betrayed his voters. If you think that is democracy then you have spent far too much time in Thailand.
      
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      May 21, 2019 11:53am
      - Batman
        
        Lots of Winston’s policies are really just big state lefty policies that hark back to the days of Muldoon et al.
        
        Think 30 year plan for tertiary education, mandatory NZ wool carpets for govt depts etc
        
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        May 21, 2019 12:01pm
      - Tall Man
        
        And Batman… how many of those policies have been adopted?
        
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        May 21, 2019 12:55pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I wouldn’t worry too much, they’re all piss and wind. All of Hollywood and most of San Francisco were threatening to move to Canada because of Trump. I guess they realised they couldn’t take their domestic help with them.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:06am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Speaking of domestic help, did you see where Trump came out in support of hiring undocumented migrants?
    
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    May 21, 2019 9:18am
  - kloyd0306
    
    …not to mention that Canada, under he who sits down to pee, girly man Trudeau, is in a mess.
    
    Canadians are now realizing that Harper was the best PM the country has ever had.
    
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    May 21, 2019 10:19am
    - MickMac
      
      too late he cries!
      
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      May 21, 2019 10:57am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Not that it’s terribly relevant, but a lot of German men sit down to pee 🙂
      
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      May 21, 2019 12:59pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        It’s to be recommended if they have bad aim.
        
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        May 21, 2019 3:50pm
- Sacha
  
  I had an astoundingly hateful post crop up on my FB news feed, from an Australian person who is normally apolitical. When I commented, on her being upset at the election results, her husband then started in on the abuse. One of his comments was frankly threatening – but I don’t think he realised that I don’t live in Australia.
  My reply was that if people share views to my page, I feel I have the right to respond.
  And was promptly blocked, before I thought to take a screen shot of the comments. Damn.
  
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  May 21, 2019 10:47am
  - Sacha
    
    Post @ 1027 was in reply to crazy kiwi. – sorry it got in the wrong queue.
    
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    May 21, 2019 10:50am
Happychappy

Is Labour and the Coalition censoring what happens at Pike River Mine by not allowing the media and their cameras there for the recovery first stage today, or is it to try and cover up any bad news if things tur s to shit and there is injuries and fatalities.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12232738
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May 21, 2019 8:09am
- Martin Williams
  
  I suspect it’s to prevent a media circus lead by the likes of the NZ Herald.
  
  That they put the article in the politics section says a lot and you took the bait hook, line and sinker.
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    So the role of the media is to now use “news” to bait their customers.
    
    Interesting approach but seems to be ok in your mind. Doesn’t really say a lot about your mind does it?
    
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    May 21, 2019 11:56am
    - Martin Williams
      
      More a comment on Happychappy’s rush to conspiracy theory.
      
      If you don’t think the media use news to bait consumers you’ve been asleep for some time. ?
      
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      May 21, 2019 12:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Not asleep and you may be right as they certainly have no fucking idea how to report or present the news anymore.
        
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        May 21, 2019 12:54pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Martin William’s maybe instead of being a troll you could post something useful, everyone is allowed a opinion.
    
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    May 21, 2019 1:32pm
- Jax30
  
  It would seem so. To say they want an intimate affair for the families is lying. A few weeks ago when they had originally planned to go in all the media and the princess was there so something doesn’t stack up
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:23am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Well, Winston isn’t first in line to go in as he promised so we don’t want that highlighted do we!
    
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    May 21, 2019 10:02am
  - Fletch
    
    Maybe they don’t want the explosion live-streamed on Facebook….
    
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    May 21, 2019 11:19am
  - Piniwi
    
    Perhaps J they are trying to avoid the disappointment loudly voiced by the families when the drift only renders up blow by from the blasts. They wont actually get into the mine or where the blasts might have occurred let alone the then workings.
    Keeping the Media party at bay again conforms that they will only feature what they are told to broadcast in order for the COL to get some good press they desperately need.
    
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    May 21, 2019 1:26pm
- graham
  
  Maybe they simply don’t want Jacinda there like last time.
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:28am
- sooty
  
  Isn’t funny, only the other week Cindy was there with media in tow to big note it and spread the cheer! What happened is there a chance it’s going to turn to custard?
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:32am
- Alien
  
  im grateful for the ban.. although they will have constant coverage, with a ban it wont be so much coverage. plus a ban means winston wont have to keep his first promise and go into the mine.
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who is going to be held responsible if more people are killed in another explosion? A gas producing fault seam belongs in an open cast mine.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:15am
  - sooty
    
    Thank the greens and all the snails they killed!
    
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    May 21, 2019 10:57am
Swifty

Hitchens – Resist it while you can……and before your right to complain is taken away from you.

https://youtu.be/-nuO37Eh0mw?t=508

A good 10-15 years old but oh how very, very relevant to current events.
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May 21, 2019 8:10am
Humble Capitalist

Another day another woeful and clueless performance by the `PM’ on the radio this morning.
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May 21, 2019 8:11am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Um ah um ah, if you had um given me ah um advance warning um ah, I would have those ah figures ah ready
  
  Pitiful
  
  Is there a Minister for Pitiful? I know there is a ministry for incompetence, known as the caucus
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:21am
- krazykiwi
  
  Ardern’s performance was easy and conversational, but only because Ferguson didn’t ask any important questions, and amiably allowed the PM to direct the conversation. It was like a nice chat over a coffee. It’s typically sycophantic behaviour from RNZ. Had it been Bridges, he’d have been given RNZ’s very best, both barrels, bully treatment on just about anything they could drum up.
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:29am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I was referring to her regular slot on ZB with the Hosk, the um ah special every Tuesday morning
    
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    May 21, 2019 8:57am
  - chuk
    
    Ferguson asking Ardern about Ngaro was a bit like saying “would you like to put the boot into National?”
    
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    May 21, 2019 9:31am
- Poppa
  
  I simply cannot listen to her any more. It makes me want to throw things at the radio
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:49am
  - John Warren
    
    I can’t stand the sound of her voice, the mangled vowels, the dropped syllables, the dreadful provincial pronunciation, the dripping condescension.
    
    All I can say in her favour is that I wish Simon Bridges would take some elocution lessons too.
    
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    May 21, 2019 9:25am
Im Right

I hear the new govt in OZ may look to freeze (or reduce) the eye watering 1 billion of tax payers dollars to fund the ABC, about bloody time, 1 billion and the left still couldn’t get a Labour/left government into power when they have their own soapbox network! …..the left truly are rubbish with money!
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May 21, 2019 8:15am
- MCos
  
  That seemed like a lot of money so a checked it out.
  The ABC gets $A886mil funding; down from $A1.2bill in 1985.
  Here’s some stuff from the MEAA
  https://www.meaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/ABC-fact-sheet.pdf
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:17am
  - MickMac
    
    MCOS
    shit, you could fund a lot of ops with that…..
    
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    May 21, 2019 10:59am
  - Tall Man
    
    It seems to me from that article that the $865 million is “real” therefore inflation adjusted.
    
    “Funding. The ABC is funded mainly by the Australian government, in addition to some revenue received from its retail outlets. Government funding to the ABC was $1,036.1 million in 2016-17; $1,043.7 million in 2017-18; and is estimated at $1,045.9 million in 2018-19.”
    
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    May 21, 2019 12:04pm
BrownSnake

Which came first the Captain or the Cook?
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May 21, 2019 8:20am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I remember when i very first met my partner and he took me out to a restaurant or something, he would always say: “Who called the Cook a c~~t?”
  Then he’d say: “Who called the c~~t a Cook?”
  It was sooo funny 🙂
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:26am
  - John Warren
    
    I believe Statler and Waldorf said it first. But that in no way implies your partner is a muppet! He does have a certain charm, and I can see why you selected him over all other comers.
    
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    May 21, 2019 11:45am
MickMac

Welcome to World Meditation Day.
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May 21, 2019 8:21am
- krazykiwi
  
  That’s not fair! Milky will be crying into his cornflakes
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:37am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’ll have to reflect on that.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:11am
MickMac

Thank God we are an Island….
It is a long list.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14249/spain-migrant-crime
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May 21, 2019 8:24am
- stephieboy
  
  MickMac, Gladestone Institute makes spurious and untrue allegations like Muslim no go areas and the establshment of Sharia Microstates in Western Europe and esewhere etc, etc
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:31am
  - Alien
    
    well Stephanie that is what you do every time you comment here, maybe you should apply to them for a j ob since you are so good and writing unture rubbish
    
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    May 21, 2019 10:52am
  - MickMac
    
    I don’t read Gladstone Institute, I want real facts like these. You know like real stuff to real people. ohh and not reported properly by fake Journalistas.
    
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14044/europe-churches-vandalized
    
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    May 21, 2019 11:03am
softail 1450

HC ,you deserve a bravery medal for being able to actually listen to her tongue dribble ..
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May 21, 2019 8:27am
Paulus

Why can we not see the entry into the Pike River Mine ?
Understand that the media have been banned.
Buy surely we would expect Peters and Little to keep their promises to be the first to enter the mine.
Why would they forgo the publicity they would expect.
Perhaps it is because Cindy is not there to see it and take all the credit for the spending of some $36 million.
She would not let them upstage her.
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May 21, 2019 8:37am
lastmanstanding

Its going to be increasingly tough for pollsters like DPF to get it right. Its the ‘shy Tory” problem.

The Left dominated MSM have made it a sin to suggest or say you support the Right. You might as well say you are a baby killer.

So Right supporters either lie and say they will vote Left or say Dont Know increasing the Dont Know vote and completely confusing the Pollsters.

As the Left and its MSM double down in the face of defeats such as in Oz expect them to pour even more vitriol on the Right. They know no difference. They are so deranged that they have gone past the point or being able to debate issues in a rational manner.

Take Climate Change or as the ABC now calls it Climate Crisis or Climate Emergency or Global Heating.

All they have are slogans. Nothing more. Facts that dont fit their narrative are batted away as wrong no matter the proof.

For those of us on the Right we will continue to speak up and speak out even in the face of being penalised for Hate Speech by Andrew Little and his thugs.
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May 21, 2019 8:47am
- Alien
  
  isn’t the correct term Climate Fraud.
  
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  May 21, 2019 8:54am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Nope . More accurately termed Climate Denial Fraud!
    
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    May 21, 2019 9:27am
    - MickMac
      
      no climate fraud.
      The Sun has more effect than we ever could.
      
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      May 21, 2019 11:04am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        There is more mass in the sun, than in the rest of our solar system.
        and
        It’s on fire.
        
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        May 21, 2019 11:49am
      - Batman
        
        Lol, “the sun is on fire therefore climate change is a hoax!”
        
        That’s really scraping the barrel
        
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        May 21, 2019 12:05pm
    - Alien
      
      tell you what Stephanie here is your chance, you tell us all about climate change and why all the manipulated data is correct.
      
      I recently read a paper that predicted that climate change would see islands under water, coastal land under water. Temps 10 degrees higher, by 2013. Whoooops.
      
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      May 21, 2019 11:08am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s a fraud on the young too. There’s been no net temperature gain over the past 2o years. The whole show is political. The world always has to live with changing weather–imagine what it would be like if the volcanoes under Antarctica erupted?
    
    What’s the gain, except exploitation, to deny our youth hope by feeding them green rubbish. Is it right to exploit their mental health?
    
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    May 21, 2019 9:28am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  You could get some help for that level of persecution mania.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:12am
  - MickMac
    
    Kev
    I’d never thought of it like that.
    Why just the youth though, it’s abuse against all of us.
    From all the Alarmists. Fckrs
    
    Wow that is an epiphany moment.
    
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    May 21, 2019 11:05am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    From where?
    
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    May 21, 2019 3:59pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Yes the TV networks are quick to put up their fancy graphics and sensationalise every poll with `and this means party A are now out of parliament on these results’ or `party B and C can now govern alone on these results’
  There never seems to be any discussion on how many % said `don’t know’
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:13am
  - septic skeptic
    
    If I ever get polled I am going to tell them climate emergency is my biggest concern, I’m voting for the watermelons and Cindy is my preferred PM. ?
    
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    May 21, 2019 11:46am
    - Batman
      
      Don’t do that. Giving the government too many polling points can cause a terminal failure in the National vote.
      
      If they think they’re going to lose, people will simply not turn up to vote!
      
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      May 21, 2019 12:03pm
      - Tall Man
        
        They didn’t in Australia Batman.
        
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        May 21, 2019 12:09pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        Equally if the left think they have it in the bag they might not turn up. But if the watermelons get 4.8%, the interviews will be that much better if they have been polling around 10% for the whole election year. ???
        
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        May 21, 2019 2:14pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  “The Left dominated MSM have made it a sin to suggest or say you support the Right”
  Maybe it’s just me
  But
  I just LOVE the fight!!!!
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:23am
  - MickMac
    
    RW
    That’s why I love TDS.
    It’s one of the reasons Donald is here on earth….
    
    It makes my heart go all warm……
    
    Just watching and listening and reading them….
    It is such a joy.
    and the best thing is so many of them have degrees!
    they are educated..
    
    Do you know how many Kiwi TDS Pratts there are just walking around here in Wellington…
    
    It is amazing and to think I sometimes think Wellington is such a boring place..
    and then I meet another one..
    It’s crazy.
    
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    May 21, 2019 11:09am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      My classic TDS, is when they called him a misogynist.
      Just after he appointed the first woman to head the CIA.
      Head of education was a woman
      etc etc
      Now my best local example of a misogynist would be Duncan Garner.
      For YEARS we heard every week about his son (Buster).
      BUT
      Only recently (this year) He mentioned he has a daughter, and I can’t even remember her name, he has mentioned so few times.
      
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      May 21, 2019 12:36pm
- peterwn
  
  It is all about fear, propaganda, astroturfers and influencers. This is what very much moulds public opinion.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:39am
  - MickMac
    
    Peterwn
    
    yep you got that right in one.
    Fear.
    
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    May 21, 2019 11:10am
- Nukuleka
  
  I’d be interested in reading a post by DPF about the way such pollsters keep on getting things wrong- including his own expectation that Labour would win in Australia, though I expect that was just an expectation based upon those relentless pro- Labour polls.
  
  It will be interesting to see the results of Thursdays EU elections in the UK and see the accuracy of polling that puts the Brexit Party at anything up to 35%. Voter turnout will play a big part in that election I expect.
  
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  May 21, 2019 10:49am
  - peterwn
    
    Polling is a black art with many pitfalls and tricks of the trade. It also depends what questions the client ants asked (‘Yes Prime Minister’ – ‘Leading Questions’ hits the nail right on the head).
    There is also an ‘echo chamber’ effect. If a pollster polls the same group on successive occasions to try and identify trends, the group tends to become narrower and narrower as dissenters fall away.
    
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    May 21, 2019 12:13pm
    - waripori
      
      Part of the problem is Journalists are not much good at maths and don’t read the fine print on the polls where it talks about sample size and margin of error. The last few polls on the Aussie election had Labour ahead 51 to 49 two party preferred. That is a statistical dead heat.
      Heard DPF on the radio last night explaining that in a first past the post election few votes either way in a few marginal electorates can turn a dead heat into a bit of a rout. Morrison obviously knew that and picked the seats to defend and the ones to try and win.
      
      Much the same in the 2016 US election. Clinton won the total vote by an amount within the margin of error on the polls but Trump won the States that mattered by quite small margins.
      
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      May 21, 2019 12:30pm
      - Tall Man
        
        In our polls the don’t knows are usually significant.
        
        I prefer to think of them as won’t say rather than don’t know.
        
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        May 21, 2019 12:52pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

The modern pattern of politics (courtesy Eric Weinstein)
A) Mainstream commentators decide amongst themselves that right-of-center positions are only held by a bad fringe.
B) Voters then lie to pollsters in response.
C) A vote is held.
D) Same commentators switch to complaining about dangers of “populism”.
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May 21, 2019 8:53am
- Swifty
  
  I thoroughly recommend Eric Weinstein – just wonderful to listen to.
  
  We need more like him.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:11am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah, he’s an intellectual colossus and one of the smartest guys on the planet (leaves the rest of the IDW in the dust), has an amazing way of seeing through to the structure of things.
    
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    May 21, 2019 10:59am
    - Swifty
      
      I totally agree.
      
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      May 21, 2019 4:01pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Did always wonder what was so bad about populism in politics.
  Surely it is just another word fr “Democracy”?
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:22am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    But it’s the wrong sort of democracy – it doesn’t defer to the sacred cows of the left.
    
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    May 21, 2019 4:28pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Al Jazeera reporter kept on describing the Australian Coalition as “right of centre”, as opposed to centre-right.
  
  Other media reports say Coalition “pinched” the election: Labor did not own votes (even if the polls were correct).
  
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  May 21, 2019 11:06am
- MickMac
  
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  May 21, 2019 11:10am
Southern Raider

I see the woke left have gone mental over Stephen Franks calling Golriz “Golly”

They are trying to claim he used “Golly” as a short form of Gollywog and that he’s a racist

WTF
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May 21, 2019 8:55am
- RW Capitalist
  
  A doll who’s head is stuffed with straw?
  Accurate description?
  I’m just reinterpreting what he said, from a different viewpoint.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:20am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I see the woke left have gone mental .
  SNAFU
  
  Golly gee whiz–children in parliament mistaken for dolls.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:34am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  They are all bad-faith mendacious lying liars who lie. Being extremely charitable some <10 year old youngsters could potentially be unaware of the entirely harmless idiom of Golly Gosh (Golly Gee) as it has become less common the last few decades. It is actually an archaic prissy modification of "God, Jesus" used to avoid blaspheming.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:37am
- septic skeptic
  
  I never even new she was a Negro!
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:40am
- Liberty
  
  Stephen Franks is a hero.
  
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  May 21, 2019 10:05am
  - MickMac
    
    absolutely.
    a hero
    
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    May 21, 2019 11:21am
- Jack5
  
  The woke are ignorant.
  
  Stephen Franks knows that Golriz is ethnically Iranian.
  
  Iran is the land of Aryans — that’s what the name “Iran” means. Stephen Franks knows that. Calling Golriz “Golly” is no different from calling him “Steve”. That wouldn’t entail implication that he is a stevedore.
  
  It’s remarkable when someone proud of their Aryan roots is the recipient of an alleged racist remark. I think “Gol” in Persian means “rose” or “red flower”, the latter apt given Golriz’s politics.
  
  Stephen Franks thus was referring to Golriz as something like “Rosie”. Nothing to do with a black-faced children’s doll.
  
  It’s interesting when the woke singles out as a racism victim someone whose ethnicity stems from the country that considers itself the Aryan homeland.
  
  The woke seem particularly sensitive about dolls. They want them depicted in a multitude of races. No doubt right now they are pressing for transgender Barbies, bisexual Barbies, and Barbies whose changeable “gender” can be played with by little children.
  
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  May 21, 2019 10:38am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Being ‘woke’ left means thinking about everyone and everything in terms of identity and race. They require people to stay within strict racially and gender defined confines: you can’t comment on other races lives, experiences, or even have an actor portray someone of different race or sexual orientation lines, and the denouncement of ‘cultural appropriation’ is just demarcation of allowable behaviours along racially segregated lines.
    
    Their whole world view is racism incarnate, not seeing individuals as anything other than the outward physical characteristics of their bodies and aggressively denouncing anyone who fails to fit into their regressive racially defined pigeonholes. But in the back-to-front upside-down confused-as-fuck delude-o-sphere they inhabit believe they are somehow virtuous.
    
    Don’t be woke.
    
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    May 21, 2019 12:28pm
- MickMac
  
  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1513194192315388&set=a.1386899881611487&type=3&theater
  
  Ghuliwog, Gollywog..
  The left won’t miss an opportunity to savage a critic of their own.
  Especially one who outed Golrig for altering her CV on Public TV.
  Delicious.
  She is a Wally.
  
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  May 21, 2019 11:20am
- Tall Man
  
  I got a “smack” here for using it as well despite it being a “nickname” for her.
  
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  May 21, 2019 12:49pm
mark15

I watched Seymour on Q’n’A last night.I thought he made some good points.The labour MP did not,in my opinion make a good case for hate speech laws.
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May 21, 2019 8:57am
- KiWombat
  
  I think it was appalling how quickly Jack Lame shut him down and moved on to the next topic – obviously didn’t like what he was saying !
  
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  May 21, 2019 12:24pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I just won’t tune in the state radio or children’s hour anymore.
    
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    May 21, 2019 12:47pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      state radio or children’s hour
      Same thing?
      
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      May 21, 2019 12:59pm
Happychappy

How can Trevor Mallard be in charge of the results of the bullying inquiry.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/parliamentary-inquiry-into-bullying-looks-set-to-be-damning.html
The Speaker is part of the problem and you only have to look at Parliamentary Question time and the circus he runs their to see.
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May 21, 2019 9:00am
- lastmanstanding
  
  This is a classic case of Physician Heal Thyself. The Parliament make laws for the citizens to follow then fails to follow those same laws.
  
  #parliamenthasnocredibility.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:32am
  - peterwn
    
    Have you read “Animal Farm”?
    
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    May 21, 2019 9:36am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      With mallard, the head pig.
      
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      May 21, 2019 10:38am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I’d say it’s more a case of the poacher trying to be the gamekeeper, but having to resort to his heavy-handed ways.
    
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    May 21, 2019 12:55pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      poacher masquerading as the gamekeeper
      There fixed it
      
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      May 21, 2019 1:00pm
- Alien
  
  if not trevor then who? winston? he’s constantly shouting out abuse across teh house, should be kicked out for what he calls some national mp’s. Jones, just as bad as winston. Jacinda? she turns an eye to her own minister beating up a staff member. I really cant think of anyone that would be right to release this report.
  
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  May 21, 2019 12:05pm
  - sooty
    
    Why not Phill Twyford or Ian Lees Gallaway, they are both beyond reproach!
    
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    May 21, 2019 5:16pm
RW Capitalist

Winnie doesn’t want to pay Super to people who have been here for 10yrs or less.
It was a poll on The AM show.
Winnie being fast and loose with the truth.
I sent this to The AM show…they didn’t read it out.
Hello Duncan

There is one small thing people are NOT taking into account with this superannuation thing has thrown up.
The fact that many people who come to NZ with less than 10 years to retirement, bring with them the entitlements from their country of origin.
This is subtracted from their NZ super, so WE don’t pay them the full entitlement any way.
So calculated the tax they have paid, since arrival, it is about right to pay them.
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May 21, 2019 9:04am
- Im Right
  
  But the lazy ones amongst us who are on welfare for most, if not all, of their working life’s get the same super as someone who has worked and contributed to the tax take. I was in a club a cpl years ago and saw a party gathering, asked the barmaid what/who was the celebration for, turns out some guy had turned 65 and was officially an OAP, I enquired if he was now retired/retiring and barmaid looked at me as if I’d just shit in her handbag and said ‘pffft he hasn’t worked for 40 year’s’ shook her head and served someone else. So I guess the celebration was just moving from the benefit to super?
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Superannuitants are a better class of beneficiaries than long term health ones who may be requested to present for work testing while under hospice care. The bureaucracy does have rules.
    
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    May 21, 2019 1:32pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  There are long standing international reciprocal arrangements.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:36am
- kevn
  
  @RW… It’s just whinney trying to get some media oxygen. Probably works.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:39am
  - kevn
    
    whinney is at again with the 350+million (MSM never say, but spread over 4 years) spend for social issues.
    robertson? Mr Invisible… waiting for his turn?
    
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    May 21, 2019 10:16am
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Happy World Day for Cultural Diversity for Dialogue and Development!
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May 21, 2019 9:05am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  No one really knows what “cultural diversity” means.
  
  What are its effects on the nation state? (A house divided and all that…)
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:18am
- Rich Prick
  
  And here I was thinking it was just Tuesday.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Try multi-tasking.
    
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    May 21, 2019 9:48am
    - Tall Man
      
      Try thinking……
      
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      May 21, 2019 12:16pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I’d rather have a root canal
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:21am
- John Warren
  
  What the hell does that even mean, Milky?
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:30am
- dubya
  
  Dialogue? I thought you were more of a monologue, or diatribe kinda guy Mikey.
  
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  May 21, 2019 9:44am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Diversity, by it’s very definition, separates.
  So no dialogue (especially when they speak different languages)
  Only brings on SEPARATE development, in each cultural group.
  Q: Are you advocating “apartheid”?
  
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  May 21, 2019 10:34am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Steve Bannon sinks the dagger into Labor “elites … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/05/steve-bannon-sinks-dagger-labor-elites/

Via The Australian comes Steve Bannon:

Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon says Labor’s Bill Shorten “snatched defeat from the jaws of victory” because he pandered to inner-city elites at the expense of ordinary Australian families.

“It’s the little guy who is the backbone of civic society but who is not outspoken … they don’t demonstrate but they pay attention,” Mr Bannon told The Australian in an exclusive interview from Paris. “That’s what the elites have forgotten — they think these people are stupid. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Access yesterdays KB post …

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/05/will_morrison_get_a_majority.html/comment-page-1#comment-2492933
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May 21, 2019 9:41am
- kevn
  
  @Hugh… As others have called them/us :: ‘deplorables’.
  On yer bikes elitists.
  
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  May 21, 2019 11:06am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Wops … Paywall went up well after distributing and posting the MacroBusiness / Bannon article.
    
    Plenty more at MB though … http://www.MacroBusiness.com.au
    
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    May 21, 2019 12:37pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      An outstanding assessment by Mike Yardley …
      
      Clear warnings for Ardern from Australian election outcome … OPINION Mike Yardley | Stuff.co.nz
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/112858619/clear-warnings-for-ardern-from-australian-election-outcome
      
      OPINION: As the votes came in, you could virtually feel the shockwave ripple across the Tasman from Melbourne’s Hyatt Place Hotel on Saturday night.
      
      Slowly but surely, the brutal reality check was dawning on the Australian Labor Party that it was losing the unlosable election.
      
      Bill Shorten, who just hours earlier on Australian television had trumpeted his confidence in Labor not just forming government, but winning an outright majority, was snatching an excruciating defeat from the jaws of victory.
      
      The palpable sense of shock, tears, anger and heartbreak carried uncanny echoes of those immortal scenes from Hillary Clinton’s election night headquarters in 2016. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      May 21, 2019 2:09pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Essential viewing …
        
        Steve Bannon: China was not prepared to have Trump in office … Fox Business / Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuAZKNEcj2g
        
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        May 21, 2019 4:49pm
Ross12

I did not see this on Saturday night — but Mike Yardley in his piece says this :

“Surely the most unedifying moment to Saturday night was watching former Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop operating a colossal holograph machine that allowed her to kick Tony Abbott in the head. The media darling-turned-commentator was dressed in funeral black on the election set for Nine, and her trademark red stilettos had been turned into a giant holograph which she lustily deployed to smash Abbott’s face to pieces, when he lost his 25-year old stranglehold on the seat of Warringah. ”

She has shown her true colours and along with Turnbull and a few others Morrison will be extremely happy to see the back of them.
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May 21, 2019 10:05am
- MCos
  
  I think a lot of her former colleagues will be extremely pleased to see the back of him too.
  
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  May 21, 2019 10:57am
Happychappy

Is it solely the Crusaders wanting to look at a name change or are they being pressured by the Government.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/history-behind-crusades-crusaders-consider-name-change
Can anyone tell me why they are still on this path when the greatest portion of their supporters say no to a name change.
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May 21, 2019 10:14am
kevn

12 hours in Beijing, 5 days in Paris.
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May 21, 2019 10:19am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Is she looking for the rights to some new movie title?
  or
  Is the shopping just better in Paris?
  
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  May 21, 2019 10:50am
  - sooty
    
    Depends on if she got the wedding dress!
    
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    May 21, 2019 5:29pm
septic skeptic

I just listened to Winston explaing why they had not done more on funding ambulances. Reading between the lines, it sounds like the year of delivery is dead in the water. They haven’t got much spare money, and what they have they want keep for election bribes next year. I guess they blew it all on a billion here and a billion there in the first few months.
Will their voter base go for the promise that 2021 will be the year of delivery? Time will tell.
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May 21, 2019 10:27am
- Poppa
  
  The economy is slowing & has been for a while now so that will have the flow on effect of less tax
  
  So the highly skilled finance minister won’t have as much to play with as all their forecasts were done based on fanciful growth projections
  
  By the way where are all those economists that backed up the figures?
  
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  May 21, 2019 10:54am
- Alien
  
  what will be interesting is that after the budget Jacinda promised a cabinet reshuffle. Not much talent there to reshuffle. Im guessing twyford will lose kiwibuild, pretend doctor clark will lose health, immigration will be given to someone else. There are so many screw up and under-performing it could be a major reshuffle but what gets what is hard because it is just a disaster no matter what you do.
  
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  May 21, 2019 11:04am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Perhaps she will decide it’s time to bring on Tamati Coffey and bring back Curran and Whaitiri.
    
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    May 21, 2019 12:09pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      A pack of blind dogs with notes in their mouths would be a better cabinet choice.
      
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      May 21, 2019 12:30pm
      - Alien
        
        Aren’t they called the New Zealand Green Party?
        
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        May 21, 2019 1:54pm
Jack5

Highlighting Crusaders’ alleged after-game behaviour in South Africa is surely part of the Leftist-Woke-Friends of Islam campaign to force a name change for the team.

Perhaps South African rugby supporters are in on it – like the famous poisoning of the All Blacks before the 1995 World Cup final, according to a bodyguard of Mandela’s (see link).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/04/all-blacks-were-poisoned-before-1995-rugby-cup—mandela-bodygua/
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May 21, 2019 10:55am
sooty

No money for doctors, nurses, teachers!
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May 21, 2019 11:02am
- Alien
  
  but dont worry i am sure politicians will get a pay rise soon.
  
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  May 21, 2019 12:17pm
Lee C

Serious question how much did the Israel Folau case affect voting in Aus?
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May 21, 2019 11:10am
- Alien
  
  chances are no one cares. Does anyone really care when league or AFL players have had sex scandals, na. No matter what you get your handful of people that make a noise but the vast majority of people just get on with life and dont care
  
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  May 21, 2019 11:12am
- MickMac
  
  good question.
  was it even an issue?
  
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  May 21, 2019 11:24am
Maggie Pie

YAY – Parliament sitting again today!
Can hardly wait for Q1 to the PM – “Does she stand by…….”
It will be sooo exciting to see what choice of Haute Couture outfit Jacca is wearing after her trip to Paree. I have it on good authority that Jessica Mutch’s hubby was seen milling around outside a number of womens boutiques on the ‘Triangle d’Or ‘ while the boss was inside shopping.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHuUhudVoAEDit9?format=jpg&name=small
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May 21, 2019 11:20am
Alien

on the news

St Johns asked to be fully funded

Winston Peter’s said they did not ask for fully funding.

Oh who to believe, who to believe, the drunk that cant stay awake or those who are saving lives every day.
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May 21, 2019 12:11pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  It may be karma, the next time he has a “pants on fire” moment like this, the emergency services…..don’t come.
  
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  May 21, 2019 12:27pm
- kevn
  
  St John is a very wealthy organization run/managed primarily by the masons I gather.
  I would be curious to know their bequest income pa.
  
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  May 21, 2019 12:44pm
  - MickMac
    
    What about Wellington Free Ambulance??
    
    They self fund too..
    
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    May 21, 2019 12:53pm
Martin Williams

New York Times says Jacinda Ardern ‘won’t save’ the UK or US

I wouldn’t bet against it!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/new-york-times-says-jacinda-ardern-won-t-save-the-uk-or-us.html
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May 21, 2019 12:14pm
- Alien
  
  she wont even save NZ. and if these morons knew just what the government has done in NZ they would stop wanting her to help their countries
  
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  May 21, 2019 12:18pm
- Tall Man
  
  Still on the jacinda juice eh?
  
  Trust me, it’ll rot your teeth and brain…….
  
  Too late for you methinks.
  
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  May 21, 2019 12:20pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  JA will save the US and UK if like Australia, they ignore everything she does and says,
  do the opposite and carry on.
  She will be an example of what NOT to do.
  Unlike John Key and Bill English, who were copied and their successes lorded.
  
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  May 21, 2019 12:26pm
- kevn
  
  @martin… Put JA onto the UN payroll and watch (nothing) change anywhere.
  
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  May 21, 2019 12:50pm
RW Capitalist

Someone on TV1 just read a list of behaviours, from the “Bullying report”
All I can think is
Sounds like a basic job description to me.
In high level jobs, in particular:
The private sector always had an adage of:
“If you can’t come Sunday, don’t come Monday.”
It is the nature of high paying jobs and jobs with high levels of responsibility.
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May 21, 2019 12:23pm
- Tall Man
  
  But “arm touching” how horrible is that…….
  
  I had an elderly friend now passed away who would always hold the arm on someone she was talking with… an almost “conspiratorial” action.
  
  Was I bullied……… Heavens, I’ll need an ACC payout please.
  
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  May 21, 2019 1:06pm
Scooter

What is it with these morons that can’t compete a sentence without an um or arrr eg Jacinda Ardern and Trevor Mallard
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May 21, 2019 12:36pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Desperately trying to think of the lie that you may believe.
  
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  May 21, 2019 1:04pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Or repeat themselves.
  
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  May 21, 2019 1:05pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Using words such as, ‘uh,’ ‘like’ and ‘um’: The research conducted at the University of Michigan found “speaking with more vocal fill” to be a common indicator of deception. Glass says that people tend to use these words more when they’re trying to buy time to figure out what they’re going to say next.
  from:
  http://time.com/5443204/signs-lying-body-language-experts/
  
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  May 21, 2019 1:15pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Correct. I’ve used that as a bullshit spotter for many years now.
    
    Or too many words when fewer will do.
    
    Obfuscation covers it.
    
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    May 21, 2019 5:34pm
Scooter

What is it with these morons that can’t complete a sentence without an um or arrr eg Jacinda Ardern and Trevor Mallard
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May 21, 2019 12:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Or repeat themselves.
  
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  May 21, 2019 1:05pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Great minds eh’ mike! 🙂
    
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    May 21, 2019 1:57pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Or comment twice!
    
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    May 21, 2019 5:32pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Gawd yes Scooter – drives me up the bloody wall!
  Same with people that keep repeating themselves as well 🙂
  
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  May 21, 2019 1:09pm
MickMac

That’s it 23rd May. Red Nose Day!

Let’s get out the red noses.
https://spectator.org/three-cheers-for-nigel-farage/
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May 21, 2019 12:51pm
Martin Williams

Here’s the result of David Seymour’s incitement of violence toward Golriz Ghahraman the other day.

Now she has to have a police escort to protect her from violent white supremacist RWNJs.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/golriz-ghahraman-gets-police-security-escort-following-seymour-menace-comments.html

Happy now, David?
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May 21, 2019 1:05pm
- John Warren
  
  Bullshit, Martin. Seymour merely called her a menace. How is that an incitement to violence? How does it even dehumanise her as Collins claimed? This is snowflake reaction territory.
  
  The article is shot through with the not-so-subtle implication that Seymour is guilty of bullying her.
  
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  May 21, 2019 1:50pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    And she is quite literally a menace to free speech so not sure what the complaint is about – other than that she is being called out for it? More me me me attention seeking narcissism from her of the wildly embellished CV. https://twitter.com/hashtag/GolrizMyCV?src=hash&lang=en
    
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    May 21, 2019 2:30pm
    - sooty
      
      Well that’s some mosque that’s not gaurded!
      
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      May 21, 2019 5:35pm
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    But surely, She is a menace if she is falsely making allegations.
    
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    May 23, 2019 11:49am
- Alien
  
  He didn’t incite violence, but hey why should facts matter
  
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  May 21, 2019 1:53pm
  - Martin Williams
    
    The Police seem to think he did.
    
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    May 21, 2019 2:49pm
    - Alien
      
      calling someone a menace to freedom is in no way inciting violence.
      
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      May 21, 2019 3:16pm
      - sooty
        
        Freespeech?
        
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        May 21, 2019 5:36pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.facebook.com/NewshubNZ/posts/10157605703658606?comment_id=10157605778973606&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D
      
      They thought a 12 year old girl was a threat severe enough to have a rifle pointed at her.
      
      Maybe their credibility is a little tarnished.
      
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      May 21, 2019 5:31pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      Its got nothing to do with the Police.
      It is a Parliamentary security escort, and only within the Parliamentary precinct.
      
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      May 21, 2019 10:15pm
Cobolt24

Teens injured in horrific crash after police pursuit in Te Atatū, Auckland | Stuff
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/112870595/teens-injured-in-horrific-crash-after-police-purist-in-te-atatu-auckland

I hope they’ve learned from their stupidity!
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May 21, 2019 1:12pm
Southern Raider

How much is this going to cost Marlborough ratepayers

The article also says the justification is because Blenheim is an identified refugee resettlement location. Doesn’t this suggest then that NZ only takes refugees if they are Muslim?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112745418/group-wants-to-purchase-land-for-new-marlborough-islamic-faith-centre
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May 21, 2019 1:16pm
- PhilP
  
  It will be taxpayer funded Southern Raider, Jacinda is so kind don’t you know?
  
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  May 21, 2019 5:33pm
Jack5

For those who argue there aren’t too many people in the world …

Indians encroaching on jungle, stone a baby elephant to death, and the elephants charge back.

So many people, so few elephants.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7043765/Elephant-kills-man-India-locals-pelted-stones-gave-birth-calf.html?ito=video_player_click
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May 21, 2019 1:23pm
- Tall Man
  
  Not too many people, too many arseholes.
  
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  May 21, 2019 5:25pm
Jack5

America’s woke go after Thomas Jefferson memorials.

Democratic Presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg wants to change all names commemorating American Thomas Jefferson:

https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/pete-buttigieg-wants-thomas-jefferson-events-and-buildings-renamed/
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May 21, 2019 1:32pm
waripori

I thought this might be big news.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/homeandproperty/underwrite-triggered-more-unsold-kiwibuild-houses-bought-by-govt/ar-AABDQqP?ocid=spartandhp

This is the second time the crown underwrite for developers building Kiwibuild homes has been called. This while the housing market outside Auckland is still strong and affordable homes still apparently scarce in Auckland. If Twyford ever manages to get Kiwibuild volumes up and we have a serious housing downturn at the same time we wont be able to pay the Nurses and teachers anything at all.
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May 21, 2019 1:33pm
kevn

@Southern… I am (still) waiting for a good healthy inflow of migrant South African farmers. Would fit in very well. No problem.
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May 21, 2019 1:33pm
freethinker

Labour sex conference scandal
In the absence of any media reports or information on this matter I wrote to the N Shore DC for info on any trial etc and have commented on GD the lack of info. I have now received a reply which answers the primary question – copy below – and am writing to Auckland DC for more details excluding the names. Any one with more or better info please let me know.

Hi Mike

Apologies for the delay coming back to you.

I made enquiries with a number of different staff in our office, and checked our list for upcoming trials but couldn’t seem to find anything that might have been this case; I will also admit I was surprised if we did have a case with this high a profile, that nobody was aware of it off the top of their heads.

Finally, as I was about to write this email to you, I may have just figured out why. I found the below article:
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/labour-party-youth-camp-accused-allowed-keep-his-name-secret-until-any-trial-ends
which notes that the name suppression hearing was conducted at Auckland District Court (late last year), rather than North Shore. I’m uncertain if the charge may have initially been laid here and transferred to Auckland, or if it originated there in the first place, but that indicates to me it is likely where the case file will still be now.

Therefore, if you want to make contact with Auckland District Court (auckland.dc@justice.govt.nz), there will likely be someone there who has more information and can let you know of any relevant trial dates etc.

Regards

[Privacy edit by mod] | North Shore District Court
79 Corinthian Drive | DX BX 10644 | Albany 0632
[Privacy edit by mod]
http://www.justice.govt.nz

Sent: Friday, 10 May 2019 4:29 p.m.
To: [Privacy edit by mod]
subject: RE: Has a trial taken place

[Privacy edit by mod]
The names of those involved were supressed so I cannot state a name but the case in question had a very high profile in the media shortly after the alleged incident, I have heard anecdotally that the offenders name may be [deleted by DPF] but I would have thought you may be aware of the matter as the offender was reported by the media and that the case was due to be heard in your court in March 2019. Hope you can help identify the case and whilst I was careful not to ask for details that may be sub judice and really only need information on if the case has been heard or when it will be or were transferred to – Auckland District Court perhaps. If you are unable to trace I will make further enquiries and perhaps you will advbise what information apart from the name subject to suppression will help you. I am happy for any reply to refer only to the case ref. My enquiry is a general public one for the purpose of being able to attend any trial.

Cheers

Mike

From:[Privacy edit by mod]
Sent: Friday, 10 May 2019 1:51 p.m.

Subject: FW: Has a trial taken place

Hello Mike

Thank you for your email. I’m uncertain what happened with your earlier message, but this most recent one has been forwarded to me by one of our team today for response.

Unfortunately I am struggling to answer any of your questions at this stage though, as I’m unable to identify the case you are referring to. I am aware of the Labour Party Conference allegations through media reporting, but have no knowledge of such a case currently or recently being heard at the North Shore District Court. This is not to say that such a case was not brought here at all, but simply that I am not aware of its existence and without knowing the name of the defendant or a case number I can’t look up any of the answers to your more specific questions.

Do you have any details of the case specifically that would help us identify it?

Then, if we are able to identify the particular case you are interested in, I would need to know your relationship to the case (if any), or if you making a general public enquiry. For privacy reasons, we are quite restricted in what information can be released publicly, particularly while a case may still be ongoing. Alternatively if you have a relationship to the case (whether the defendant or a victim), there is certain information that can be disclosed via people in particular roles (defence counsel, victim advisors etc) so I could ask the relevant representative to get in touch with you.

My apologies again for the lack of response to your earlier email. If you could please advise any of the further information noted above, I will see what more we can do to help you.

[Privacy edit by mod]| North Shore District Court
79 Corinthian Drive | DX BX 10644 | Albany 0632
[Privacy edit by mod]
http://www.justice.govt.nz

From:
Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2019 4:09 p.m.
To: dc, northshore
Cc: amy.adams@parliament.govt.nz
Subject: FW: Has a trial taken place

Good Afternoon
I am disappointed that I neither received an acknowledgment or answer to my e-mail – copy below. As NZ Courts are taxpayer funded and being a taxpayer I expect those employed officials to respond to a request for information or if such information is time consuming to provide either acknowledge and state a date when the information will be provided or advise the information will not be provided with a lawful reason, you have done none of these and instead ignored my reasonable time. If a reply is not forthcoming within a week from today I will make an official information act request and ask my local MP to ask the Minister of Justice for guidance on how the courts should deal with such requests and the timescale.
Regards

Mike

Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2019 1:39 p.m.
To: ‘northshore.dc@justice.govt.nz’
Subject: Has a trial taken place

Good Afternoon
I understand that a case concerning an alleged sexual offence that occurred during last year’s Labour Party Youth Conference was originally set down for a hearing early/mid March but there has been no publicity on the case so will you please answer the following questions.
1) What date was the case due for hearing?
2) Was the case heard on the due date?
3) If the case was postponed please confirm the new trial date?
4) If the case was transferred to another court please confirm the address of that court and if a trial date was set for a hearing?
5) If the case was heard was a decision reached or if a reserved decision when will that decision be announced?
6) Was name suppression continued ?
7) If name suppression was lifted please confirm the names of the accused?
8) If the case is not to proceed please advise the reasons – ie plea bargain etc?
9) Apart from the allegation of unwanted sexual behaviour were any charges concerning the supply of alcohol to minors laid?
Regard’s

Mike
Here is the link to the original media report –
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/labour-party-youth-camp-accused-allowed-keep-his-name-secret-until-any-trial-ends
The delay is disturbing given other more complicated cases have already been tried albeit the offense was later, and the possibility of permanent name suppression concerning as it may well in itself indicate a link to a high profile person in Govt making the possibility of many people being implicated wrongly, hopefully there will be no name suspression after the trial.

[Mod: please don’t publish public servant names and details in this way. Feel free to edit your own name out too ?]
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May 21, 2019 1:40pm
- Alien
  
  Mod since there is name suppression on this case including a post where the person says the offenders name may be or sound like may be against that name suppression
  
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  May 21, 2019 2:18pm
  - Inandout
    
    You have a local National MP, so contact that person. I wouldn’t hold my breath though.
    
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    May 21, 2019 3:10pm
    - Alien
      
      Why, nothing to do with me if someone breaks name suppression on this blog, everything to do with the owner as he will be the one in trouble for a name suppression breach.
      
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      May 21, 2019 3:22pm
- Martin Williams
  
  Have you uncovered further incidents at the Labour Party Conference?
  
  There is no end to their depravity!
  
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  May 21, 2019 2:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  Freethinker, thank you for your efforts which border on the obsessional or is it an all consuming fixation?
  
  I suppose next you will be asking that an accused right to plea not guilty should be – as I understand in this case – seriously curtailed?
  
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  May 21, 2019 2:49pm
- freethinker
  
  Update – reply from Auckland Court – impressed with speed of reply –
  The reference number for the case is CRI-2018-004-005593. The Jury trial will commence on 2 September 2019 at 10am at the Auckland District Court. The trial courtroom has not been allocated yet. If you are attending the trial on that day, please proceed to the Auckland DC Criminal Counter in Level 1 to get the courtroom number. The counter staff will direct you to the trial courtroom.
  
  I cannot provide other information except the ones that I have already given. The Judge has directed an interim suppression on the names of defendant and witnesses. The details and facts of the case are also suppressed. If you require more information, please file a formal application to have access to the court case. The application will be placed before the trial judge for approval.
  Mod – apologies for error – thanks for editing names out.
  
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  May 21, 2019 3:08pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Moderators: The alleged offenders name is still in the emails, as pointed out by Alien.
  
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  May 21, 2019 6:02pm
Johnboy

So how did the wedding go?” I asked my workmate Akeem, on his return to the factory today.
“Not too good, actually.” He replied, solemnly. “My new bride died at the reception.”
“What happened?” I asked. “Did she blow herself up over the gifts or something?”
“Oh f…k you! F…K YOU!! How dare you say something like that about her, about me, and frankly, about Muslim culture?”
“We’re not all barbarians who do such awful shit like that – We’re a tolerant and peaceful religion and deserve some f…king respect.”
“Look, Akeem, I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have been so prejudiced, forgive me,” I grovelled. “So how did she pass away?”

“We stoned her to death for drinking alcohol.”
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May 21, 2019 3:12pm
453mm

@DPF – Will the Curia Poll average widget thingy be updated any time soon?
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May 21, 2019 3:59pm
Captain Mainwaring

R.I.P. Niki Lauda.
One of the greats of F1.
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May 21, 2019 5:14pm
Jack5

At the Breaking Views blog, Bruce Moon takes on a key aspect in Maori argument for reserved, unelected, race-based representatives on local bodies.

The tip comes from the Point of Order blog, which has a link to the background row – in the Hastings District Council – in the second link below.

The unelected, race-based representation row has widened to other councils, such as Canterbury Environment Council. Ngai Tahu tried to gain representation on it by a Parliamentary bill, but this was voted down jointly by National, ACT, and NZ First MPs.

On the Otago Environmental Council, Michael Laws has been fighting a move that would circumvent election requirements by appointing Ngai Tahu representatives directly to its policy committee.

Moon challenges activists:

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2019/05/bruce-moon-open-letter-to-associate.html

Point of Order:

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/
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May 21, 2019 5:33pm
Alien

“Phil Twyford has defended the Government purchasing seven unsold KiwiBuild houses and said he’s “giving thought” to introducing a rent-to-buy scheme. ”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/phil-twyford-defends-government-purchasing-seven-unsold-kiwibuild-houses.html

Good time to be a developer, govt will buy what no one wants
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May 21, 2019 6:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So bullying at Parliament, Nasty folk in the Press Gallery, serious allegations of predatory sexual behaviour….. but no names, eh.

Why do I think that some members of the CoL want to keep a lid on the identities of the small number of MPs widely known to be serial offenders,?
http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=118884
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May 21, 2019 7:52pm
- Alien
  
  I’m sure we all know who one of them is, let’s see had an affair with another mp, a radio journalist, a tv3 political journalist and woman have talked about how abusive Jamie was. Any other industry these people would be fired, maybe even charged, here they are being protected. Sounds a bit like the Catholic Church. Interesting that while the government is running an inquiry into abuse in state and church care they are covering up abuse in parliament.
  
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  May 21, 2019 7:57pm
- Martin Williams
  
  Much more likely to be National MPs because of their born-to-rule attitude.
  
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  May 21, 2019 7:57pm
  - Alien
    
    Really, Darren Hughes was labour. Meka Whaitiri physically hurt a staff member, again labour. Trevor mallard punched another mp.
    
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    May 21, 2019 8:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If it involved National MPs it would have been #1 item on TV1 News, RNZ News, Newshub, The Spinoff, and The Standard.
    
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    May 21, 2019 8:45pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And possibly on a big building in Dubai or something in Melbourne.
      
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      May 21, 2019 11:47pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No, it’s a true cross-party issue. Plenty of well-known offenders from all political persuasions. But it’s not just the MPs – lots of staff there have had very bad reputations.
      It’s a weird environment, and a significant minority of people there use that as some kind of excuse to behave very badly.
      
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      May 22, 2019 6:41am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    David Cunliffe’s marriage broke up soon after the 2014 election when there were rumours of associations with several high profile women in Wellington. Media wouldn’t touch the story though. Same can’t be said of when they went after Don Brash and David Lange who were not on the left, or more recently the Nat MP shagging JLR.
    
    Leftie media playing favourites as usual.
    
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    May 21, 2019 10:26pm
BrownSnake

When the Captain is cooking in the forest can anyone see the CO2?
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May 22, 2019 7:49am
Hugh Pavletich

… MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA: Destroying your family’s future by paying bubble (political) prices for real estate …

Desperate families are selling housing blocks on Gumtree as they face financial ruin in property market downturn … (Australia) Daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7051667/Desperate-families-selling-housing-blocks-Gumtree-property-market-downturn.html

• A truck driver and his pregnant wife forked out $110,000 just to settle their land

• They instantly lost $50,000 when their property was valued below their contract

• Buyers are angry at the developer which is offering rebates, devaluing their land

• Many people are selling land on Gumtree after a steep property market nosedive
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… What part of 3 don’t these losers understand … with their deadbeat advisers too of course … ? …

Definition Of An Affordable Housing Market – Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html

Houston Association Of Reators – Latest Monthly Report

https://www.har.com/content/mls
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