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artemisia

It is the Year of Delivery and June is only days away now. The government will have a long list of the delivered to roll out at every opportunity.

Mostly they will be for funding assigned, not for actual deliverables and outcomes. Just future possibilities that may or may not have targets or measurements. Flagship policies will be footnotes at best. Many will clap and cheer and believe.
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May 18, 2019 8:05am
- srylands
  
  The Wellington transport announcements yesterday were part of the year of delivery.
  
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  May 18, 2019 8:19am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    I wonder what the cost will be when they get it started in 2035
    
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    May 18, 2019 8:57am
  - Alien
    
    you mean this announcement. BTW does a 30 year delivery count as the year of delivery
    
    “The Minister of Transport went against Treasury advice by announcing a $6.4b transport plan for Wellington before the full costs and benefits are known, a Cabinet paper shows.”
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1905/S00092/wellington-transport-announcement-against-treasury-advice.htm
    
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    May 18, 2019 9:13am
    - srylands
      
      A 30 year plan is fine. Sydney has one. So does Melbourne. But things happen there. Every time I go for a drive in Sydney there is a new road being built.
      
      An announcement yesterday could have had a 30 year end point. But it needed firm funding commitments for the first 10 years with construction start dates.
      
      But more importantly it was missing the essential requirements to fix Wellington congestion. The Terrace tunnel is an insult to the Wellington population. Yet it is not part of the plan. So it fails right there.
      
      Wellington is not going to be fixed by cycleways and trams. The criminal stupidity of the Island Bay cycleway has killed the credibility of Wellington cycleway planners.
      
      The other thing that kills credibility is the behaviour of too many cyclists. I was visiting Wellington last week. Driving down Willis Street at 0530. A cyclist goes through a red light and his bike has no lights. I almost hit him. So we both stop. I get out and tell him that he almost got killed and riding in the dark without lights is idiotic. He told me to mind my own fucking business and took off. So maybe there is a 30 year plan for fixing people like him.
      
      Disclosure. I enjoy cycling for recreation and was in the sport. I also use public transport.
      
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      May 18, 2019 10:23am
      - Alien
        
        i doubt in 30 years you will see anything from this plan. more than likely a real government will get in and have to fix up the huge mess left by this minister. hmmm, maybe that is the 30 year plan, fixing up what he didnt do
        
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        May 18, 2019 12:51pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Indeed, a plan with a 30 year goal and no short term priorities or deliverables, is not a plan at all. and any plan for Wellington that doesnt finish the Terrace Tunnel is a complete waste of space.
        
        I guess thats what happens when you fill the room with advocates for single interests, and tell everyone that their voice is of equal merit. Once you’ve finished scratching all the itches and oiling all the squeaky wheels, you are out of time and money, and there is still no plan.
        
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        May 18, 2019 3:24pm
    - niggly
      
      “The Minister of Transport went against Treasury advice by announcing a $6.4b transport plan for Wellington before the full costs and benefits are known, a Cabinet paper shows.”
      
      $6.4B? Before the full costs and benefits are known? Gee I seen to remember a time in which that would never happen, in fact if it somehow did the Minister would have been stood down or sacked, in fact the whole Cabinet that signed it off in the first place or the PM of the day would have been held to merciless account by the mainstream media for days if not weeks if not months until politicians heads were rolling.
      
      Gee come to think about it that time was anytime in NZ’s history prior to Sept 2017!
      
      Now it seems the MSM are deliberately turning a blind (or meek) eye to this obscene political incompetence and theatre we have in the form of the COL and their “Celebrity” selected Prime Minister!
      
      (Errr how long before the PRincess and COL’s knee-jerk populist posturing creates unintended consequences in which discussing the political past could be censured?? Heh just kidding!! But then again we’re talking about the COL which is rowing in all directions at times so who knows …..) 😉
      
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      May 18, 2019 11:34am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      the mode and route haven’t been decided.
      There’s no darn room for more roads. Even a cross country gondola is problematical: the hills are largely built up and the winds will be problem.
      
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      May 18, 2019 12:10pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    hahahaha
    
    yes, we promise to deliver nothing at all for the next 2 terms, but we’ll talk a good talk about light rail and unicorns for all!
    
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    May 18, 2019 9:17am
    - sooty
      
      Hay, it won’t happen!
      Phil Twyford is in charge!
      You know how that will work out!
      
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      May 18, 2019 9:46am
      - niggly
        
        Geez even if there were such things as free unicorns for all, even Twyford would stuff it up!
        
        And claim he isn’t and that it will be the greatest and best thing if everyone just could be patient!
        
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        May 18, 2019 11:43am
      - Paulus
        
        I would expect Twitford to be replaced in the next few weeks after the Budget – but who will take up the doomed mantle – ?
        
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        May 18, 2019 1:15pm
    - Wired-one
      
      It’s working for them though isn’t it?, they’re riding high in the polls.
      
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      May 18, 2019 3:37pm
  - peterwn
    
    Yes, delivering higher rates to the people of Wellington.
    
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    May 18, 2019 11:44am
- kevn
  
  Year of Delivery for Woke people.
  Everyone else can ‘go eat cake’.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:02am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Not if they are the ones delivering the cake…
    
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    May 18, 2019 9:47am
Happychappy

Why should this report be released by the speaker as he is thug and the biggest bully in Parliament.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112809859/shocking-parliament-bullying-review-to-be-released
This is just another of the Speakers witch hunts exactly like his report on Simon Bridges over the JLR saga.
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May 18, 2019 8:06am
Happychappy

Another post on Winston and Shane’s quest to demolish Agriculture and the food source thats https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/opinion/112812190/selling-sheep-and-beef-farms-to-forestry-is-a-threat-to-food-and-trade needed worldwide.
Winston knows that a lot of Farmers will never vote for him again so is this payback.
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May 18, 2019 8:13am
- yossarian
  
  I heard Bagrie on the radio (about the only economist I listen to) go on about what a negative impact on the economy planting trees in perfectly good land for farming.
  
  Tree planting puts no money back into the economy for 25-30 years, whilst dairying or sheep and beef, employ millions of dollars of services over that same life span.
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:01am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Yeah, I think Shane’s getting a bit worried by what he calls National Party propaganda.
  (Worried that people might not be seeing him as 1st Citizen of the Provinces after all!)
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:21am
  - niggly
    
    Mind you if worried Shane reads your comment and sees that you used a capital C for 1st Citizen, he will turn back to his mirror (which is bigger than Winston’s one apparently) and smile again that at least “the people” respect his mana and status!
    
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    May 18, 2019 11:50am
Yvette

I understand anyone still holding a copy of Tarrant’s manifesto is liable for a $10,000 fine and if they distribute it the penalty can be up to a 14-year prison sentence – retrospective as these laws are, as it apparently dates back to the ‘publishing’ of the document (or video), not the date the censor’s decision was made.

But in respect to that, what is the crime called, and the penalty, for originating such material that can lead to the convictions and penalties mentioned above.

And will such crimes and penalties be added to the charges Tarrant already faces – 51 murders, and 39 attempted murders and…

Although Ardern has supposedly moved to eliminate such Internet use ever occurring again (until the next time), what of the perpetrator whose actions have prompted the distress (“We alone in New Zealand had 8000 people contact 1737 seeking support because they saw that video and they were so disturbed by it” – Ardern), effort and expense (French and other involvement) to date?
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May 18, 2019 8:14am
- Sir Leslie Bottocks
  
  Yet this obvious example of hate speech has not been banned, and is freely available to anyone who wants to read it. Funny that …
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0507/S00649.htm
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:37am
- Happychappy
  
  Yvette whilst Jacinda and the Police have gone overboard anyone that has a copy of these brutal murders has a screw loose and should be seeking help.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:56am
  - The King
    
    The video yes, but the manifesto should be read in its entirety by everyone. I know,i know, the Jacinda Occupation Government need to control the narrative for the permanent sheeple, but that’s a sheeple state of mind.
    
    It’s not illegal to read anything.
    
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    May 18, 2019 11:51am
  - niggly
    
    Good point, a conspiracy theorist I once knew must be bonkers to believe alot of the stuff he does (flat earth etc). I would have thought his doctor would have had him seen to but guess not.
    
    So why isn’t Jacinda acknowledging there could be mental health issues at play here for those as you say that are involved and should be seeking help?
    
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    May 18, 2019 11:57am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Because “white supremacists” are the bogeyman du jour.
      
      It’s a wonderful all purpose panacea, it distracts from the actual problems of forced immigration of low income, low intelligence workers who won’t assimilate and are hostile to Western culture, while doubling down on claiming its all the fault of those evil white colonialists.
      
      Perfect. And if the populace raises a question, they can be vilified and shouted down, and if they don’t get the message, armed police will pop over for a chat.
      
      feel the force of the evil whiteness!
      
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      May 18, 2019 3:30pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    Happychappy. I think you are the one with the screw loose. 🙂
    
    Freedom of speech and knowledge is under serious attack. But then I guess you are a fluffy lovely who doesnt like reality.
    
    Being outside the country I have viewed the video and read the Manifesto.
    ITS NO BIG DEAL!!!
    
    Same as ISIS beheadings I dont think people who watch/read will instantaneously turn in to Nutters.
    
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    May 18, 2019 6:19pm
    - The King
      
      The only big deal about it is it cuts straight to the heart of the Jacinda Occupation Government UN migration compact. That is literally the ONLY reason the manifesto is banned.
      
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      May 19, 2019 10:49am
- KevO'Brien
  
  “No to Christchurch Call: Put aside your hate of Trump for a day – he may have just saved free speech”
  https://www.rt.com/news/459563-christchurch-call-trump-macron/
  
  Warning: contains graphic image of Ardern as PM with a Macron;
  Shows the detailed ultra socialist language program to be enforced.
  
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  May 18, 2019 12:15pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Prisoners get to appear under the prevailing legislation at the time, not retrospective, or so I believe, unlike for the rest of us and our sentence.
  
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  May 18, 2019 6:31pm
Padriv Ustoev

So this new proposed airport rail link in Auckland.
Quick question. How much will it cost. Who is paying for it. Where is the proof that it is necessary?
Who payed who to ram this through?
If corruption in NZ is not usually detected, does it mean it does not exist?
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May 18, 2019 8:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If you’re talking about the Puhinui link it makes a hell of a lot more sense than Twitford’s slow tram.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:48am
- Fletch
  
  It’s supposed to cost $16 million dollars, and the govt is supposed to be fitting the bill for the lion’s share of it – it’ll still come out of our taxes somehow, I imagine. They reckon it’s supposed to take 18 months to complete. I will believe that when I see it.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:58am
  - Rob2
    
    The Govt. = NZTA or if you like road taxes.
    
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    May 18, 2019 7:10pm
- Gerrit
  
  If you read the release it does not specifically say trains. Puhinui is going to the transfer station for fast bus lanes to the airport and Manukau/Botany/Panmure.
  
  “To serve the upgraded station, the existing 380 airporter bus route will be changed and they say priority lanes will be provided along most of the route. ”
  
  The word trains to the airport are not mentioned.
  
  https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2018/11/05/puhinui-station-interchange-concept/
  
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  May 18, 2019 11:47am
tf78

I hope the Aussies see sense, learn from NZ’s mistake and elect Scott Morrison today. Go ScoMo!!!
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May 18, 2019 8:20am
- Sir Leslie Bottocks
  
  I’m in two minds. While the very sight and sound of Shifty Shorten makes my skin crawl, it would be kind of entertaining to watch the Labour/Greens destroy the country. Better them than us, and we can learn from it and not make the same mistake. Anyway the Libs are weak and pathetic and have failed to stand up for their values. If they lose it’ll be very much of their own doing.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:44am
  - Wired-one
    
    Maybe we should all vote Labour / Greens next year eh?. That way they can continue to fuck the country for us contributors to society, to such an extent that Kiwis will never vote a leftwing government in ever again right? What a stupid argument!
    
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    May 18, 2019 3:49pm
    - The King
      
      Never under estimate the power of accelerationism…. “and for no reason at all they voted for Hitler.”
      
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      May 18, 2019 6:01pm
- Rob2
  
  They canget rid of his mate Dutton though. a nasty bit of shit.
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:14am
  - gravedodger
    
    At least Dutton had the balls to end the disastrous Malcolm the first Turncoat along with Bishop, Julia Banks.
    
    Aus Liberals are in serious danger from the remnant Turncoats who have joined forces with “Get Up” to attack Tony Abbott, Dutton, Frydenberg, and do not forget how Turnbull after his far too delayed knifing failed the party that delivered him the top job and actively supported Kerryn Phelps self styled “Independent” to take the seat of Wentworth, Turnbulls’ son Alex has also spent big dollars white anting the Liberal Party.
    
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    May 18, 2019 1:05pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Unlikely to happen on balance – unfortunately.
  Be good to see how their polling work though…
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:30am
mjw

So all that old testament law – stoning disobedient children, hating on homosexuals, and so on, was abolished. See Romans 10:4, Galatians 3:23-25 and Ephesians 2:15. Is was all just a placeholder to keep people ‘safe’ until Christ arrived.

So those who follow Christ and the New Testament really should not cite anything related to Mosaic
Law. The apostles made it clear that Mosaic law no longer applies. It is obsolete. It has fallen off the perch. It is no longer of this world. It is an ex-parrot.

Just saying.
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May 18, 2019 8:31am
- Scott
  
  mjw – the law was for the people of Israel as God’s chosen people who were meant to be a light to the Gentiles (non Jews). Unfortunately they could not keep the law themselves and hardened their hearts to God’s prophets who urged them to repent.
  
  So with the coming of Christ we are now not under law but under grace. Christ’s death on the cross was the once and for all sacrifice for sins. Therefore the old sacrificial system has been overturned.
  
  So we no longer need to bring an animal to be sacrificed for our sins because Christ has paid the price for our sins himself.
  
  Regarding homosexuality the New Testament is still clear that it’s a sin. Whether this gets me fired from my employment or not, Romans 1 is very clear as is Revelation 21- the sexually immoral will be cast in the lake of burning fire.
  
  These words may be unpopular but neither me nor Israel Folau made them up. They are a warning to us all.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:11am
  - Swifty
    
    Just where is this lake of burning fire?
    
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    May 18, 2019 9:49am
    - sooty
      
      It’s a bit late to ask Johnny Cash!
      
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      May 18, 2019 12:17pm
    - mark15
      
      It’s a metaphor for Hastings
      
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      May 19, 2019 7:54am
- Jack5
  
  MJW says: “So those who follow Christ and the New Testament really should not cite anything related to Mosaic Law.”
  
  But any such siting shouldn’t be illegal, or job costing. This is merely their opinion.
  
  I don’t agree with such folk, but they are no more harmful than the fire and brimstone sects of old who stood on corners with posters reading: “Repent the end is nigh.” Free societies didn’t punish such fanatics.
  
  The Left is in a full scale war on free speech.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:33am
- mjw
  
  Hi Scott, thanks for replying and I do acknowledge that you may be expressing your heartfelt religious beliefs. However, I don’t believe they are justified by the passages you quote.
  
  In Romans 1 Paul makes it pretty clear that God made those people subject to ‘shameful lusts’ and unnatural sexual relations. That is, God did it to them as punishment for rejection. They didn’t choose it. Elsewhere in Romans Paul says don’t question why God made you the way he did (The pot does not ask the potter …) but just get on with stuff. So arguably God made homosexuals the way they are, and they shouldn’t fight it.
  
  Paul he also makes it clear that the rules are for those who are weak in faith, and if you live in righteous faith you are fine, despite infringements of the rules. So again, I can’t get specific condemnation for homosexuals out of that.
  
  In fact, the condemnation is pretty specifically for those who reject God, and are then become fools and worship images of human beings and animals and reptiles. That is the actual sin he is railing against, and the other things are consequences, and are more broad ranging than homosexuality (e.g. they obviously include oral sex too).
  
  So my view is that a reading of all of Romans would say that a righteous homosexual couple who live in faithfulness to God and each other would be just fine. And in fact better than somebody who goes to church on Sunday and worships an image of a human being.
  
  Similarly, Revelations, sexual immorality is not defined. But the passage does specifically include liars and the unbelieving. So why pick on homosexuals? All adulterers and non-faithful are going into the lake of burning sulfur. All liars. But not necessarily homosexuals if they are not sexually immoral.
  
  So my view is that condemnation of homosexuals is not justified by the new testament. If anything, it is the opposite. By picking them out ahead of worshippers of human images, of liars, of unbelievers, it to me shows a latent prejudice that occurs independent of scripture. God made homosexuals the way they are. We should just get on with living our lives the way God made us. Paul says so.
  
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  May 18, 2019 11:11am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    You ignore free will, the presence of Satan in our world and our ability to discern and resist. We humans have to take personal responsibility where we find ourselves on Judgement Day.
    
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    May 18, 2019 12:22pm
  - Scott
    
    mjw – thanks for the thoughtful reply. Your reading however of scripture is not supported by scripture. Paul in Romans 1 is talking about the wrath of heaven being released on all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness (Romans 1:18).
    
    Paul then looks for an example of such wickedness. He settles on this – “Romans 1:26 (NIV 1984)
    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
    
    I think that’s pretty clear? Homosexuality is mentioned also in 1 Corinthians 6:9 along the same lines. So the New Testament witness backs up what the Old Testament says.
    
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    May 18, 2019 1:40pm
Southern Raider

Sounds like a great example of modern soft touchy-feely teaching and great parenting

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/112671944/pet-pig-assaulted-by-christchurch-school-students
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May 18, 2019 8:41am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  something gone very feral in Christchurch, but the HM says nothing to see here, just need a bit more pro-cultural empathy for the little savages, and all will be well.
  
  What sort of kids think its funny to rape a pig? or that attacking teachers is ok?
  
  Where are their parents?
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:19am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Parents don’t need to be part of the equation anymore don’t you know.
    
    It’s all the state and taxpayers job to bring the feral kids up
    
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    May 18, 2019 9:54am
  - David Garrett
    
    the deity: “Give me a boy until he is seven, and I will show you the man”
    
    That statement is as true now as when the Jesuits said it God knows how many years ago. The sad reality – no matter how much well meaning small “l” liberals wish otherwise – is by the time these kids reach this school they are irredeemable. Oh, and animal torture by children is one very reliable predictor of serious violence against humans later.
    
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    May 18, 2019 11:10am
    - sooty
      
      What is it with Christchurch?
      Is it the water?
      
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      May 18, 2019 12:18pm
      - sooty
        
        If the kids are into beastiality, what are the parents like doing at home?
        Something strange going down in that area!
        
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        May 18, 2019 12:22pm
- Stephen James
  
  “whānau consulted”. No surprise
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:27am
- The King
  
  Ah the free range approach to schooling working as intended i see. A very different article to the ones they promoted the school with 2 years ago indeed.
  
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  May 18, 2019 11:09am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Is the pig alright?
    
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    May 18, 2019 12:32pm
BrownSnake

Hmmm

Interesting article on RT about jacinda

https://www.rt.com/news/459563-christchurch-call-trump-macron/

Does not look like anyone thinks
The NZ attempt to censor the world is either good
or in fact will work or bring any real benefit?
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But I would urge those of all political persuasions to study the text of the document, presented by New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Emmanuel Macron in Paris this week, and endorsed by every major US online giant – Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft and Twitter.

Are these really the powers you want to give away to officials and Silicon Valley execs? Or should we at least ask some clarifying questions first?

Orwell’s bingo
Here are some notable and representative excerpts:

We, the governments commit to counter the drivers of terrorism and violent extremism by strengthening the resilience and inclusiveness of our societies to enable them to resist terrorist and violent extremist ideologies, including through education, building media literacy to help counter distorted terrorist and violent extremist narratives, and the fight against inequality.

https://www.christchurchcall.com/christchurch-call.pdf
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May 18, 2019 8:45am
- Nukuleka
  
  Sounds very much like ‘United Nations speak’ to me. Education as propaganda, media as propaganda, equality of outcome as the ultimate goal.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:06am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    If only it wasn’t dumbing down.
    
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    May 18, 2019 10:16am
- John Warren
  
  The RT article spells it out nicely. Ardern is an enemy of free speech. She is petulant and can’t stand hearing views that aren’t her own. The whole Christchurch Call thing is her grandstanding on a massive scale, seeking adulation and power. She’s evil, disingenuous, naiive, stupid, and dangerous.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:20am
  - Paulus
    
    Will Cindy get the Nobel Prize before she joins the UN ?
    
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    May 18, 2019 11:19am
    - Morrissey
      
      No doubt. And no doubt you’ll develop a duodenal ulcer because of it.
      
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      May 19, 2019 10:51am
  - The King
    
    Yeah but she can do this John. Real Communism has never been tried, Jacinda will succeed as Mao and the Kim jongs did.
    
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    May 18, 2019 12:04pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How does one “fight against inequality”? Do they mean “equality of opportunity” or “equality of outcome.”
  The latter is the darling of the authoritarian.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:27am
- BrownSnake
  
  <Encourage media outlets to apply ethical standards when depicting terrorist events online, to avoid amplifying terrorist and violent extremist content.
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  Does that kind of narrate to keeping the general public misinformed as to how bad it really is?
  
  Tragic as CHCH is these types of events have been happening and gladly being prevented in some countries? for a number of years
  
  Are we to believe they did not know?
  
  If you check the facts people from NZ have actually participated in as bad and worse in other countries and people from Aus undoubtedly have.
  
  A NZer left a geotrack record in Syria read the time article and there are geotrack records and then you can spend 2 minutes looking up what happened in those places when he was there?
  
  http://time.com/3651559/new-zealand-isis-twitter/
  
  Terrible but we need the Terrible truth and the facts to fully understand what we are up against and what in fact we are dealing with? and it is worse than most can imagine?
  
  So where were they then? Did they not notice
  or did they not care?
  
  It is mind blowing what went on in Syria and they just attempted the Same things closer to NZ in the Phillipines?
  Did any one in NZ notice?
  
  Why now? Why this? when NZ's next door neighbour is (out of necessity) probably the most effective country in the world regarding counter terrorism? but only within its boundaries? and jurisdiction?
  
  Over the last 3 weeks while they have been in France?
  
  There have been 3 Important and Serious Terrorism related court cases/trials or sentencing in Australia?
  
  Wonderful as this might be I find it fascinating that NZ and Australia have not sat down at all to standardise laws and sentencing and…..
  most importantly the Passport Status Issue?
  
  Sentencing is really weak as far as I am concerned?
  
  It is not the approach I would take (first) as I am a pragmatist I like things to work and be effective.
  
  It is really tricky while they focus on this side of it
  
  Quite a few people are going to be returning from Syria to NZ and AUS getting soft sentences to be let out again or not sentenced at all?
  
  This issue if ignored or not addressed effectively
  is going to cause some serious issues in the future.
  
  Google Face Book Twitter may be able to police some content and that is a matter of personal opinion if that is good or bad
  
  Because the medicine may be worse than the
  cure or not effective at all?
  
  But practical reality is they can't physically police these people Sad but true for the people who are going to be caught up in the next one – like when
  Next week or the Week after.
  
  Here there or somewhere other than Aus
  because Aus prevention work 99% of the time?
  but only in Aus
  
  Which is why the nutters leave the place
  and do it elsewhere? Tragically
  NZ, Sri lanka Philipinnes
  
  I expect one day and at this rate it is probably
  going to take something worse for NZ and Aus
  to actually cooperate and communicate better
  on prevention.
  
  To have Cross Party talks both sides of politics both sides of the tasman and all religions etc
  on Counter Terrorism in our Region.
  
  In the mean time …
  
  Chat with France
  
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  May 18, 2019 2:00pm
Gravelroad

Re the 12 year old Auckland boy who was sent home from school on anti bullying day for not wearing enough pink: does anyone else think this is kind of ironic?
Judging the boy because his clothes were not pink enough, making an example of him, then isolating him from his school community for not fitting in.
By today’s standards isn’t that bullying??
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May 18, 2019 8:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Of course it was bullying.
  
  It was also illegal behaviour of the school to send an unaccompanied minor out of the school grounds.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/112818263/auckland-boy-sent-home-from-school-for-not-wearing-enough-pink
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:07am
- John Warren
  
  It was bullying. And really quite beyond belief.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:21am
  - backster
    
    Anyway doesn’t ‘pink’ denote feminism. Why should a normal male be forced to wear it.
    
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    May 18, 2019 3:08pm
    - Komata
      
      Backstet
      
      Why? To be ‘inclusive’ and ensure that ‘no-one’ is left out (except a kid who isn’t ‘Pink’ enough for the teacher).
      
      IMHO, that he was sent home for being ‘unacceptable’ says more about the TEACHER and HER ( it’s unlikely to be a male; not many of them around now in the profession), agenda than anything else.
      
      Unfortunately, it’s unlikely she will be reprimanded, or will even apologise.
      
      As I said, ‘Agenda’
      
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      May 18, 2019 5:53pm
Alien

I think people will enjoy this 14 year old. Good news is she also gives Jacinda a mention

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OdaUDeAGIck/
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May 18, 2019 9:04am
- noskire
  
  Thankyou Alien – that is 18 minutes of sheer brilliance.
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:50am
  - Alien
    
    her others are very entertaining as well.
    
    PARENTAL DISCRETION ADVISED, is very well done
    
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    May 18, 2019 12:10pm
lastmanstanding

In over five decades of following politics I have watched politicians condemn the Maori Pacific Island and low class White communities to a life of prison poor help and low living standards.

Instead of providing high quality education and health the politicians have thrown money at them in the form of benefits or tax credits for those in work.

Bill English appeared to understand the problem and was developing programmes to drag these people out of a hand out mentality but alas was thrown out of office.

The Left in particular see these people was “their people” voter fodder to be bribed with hollow promises that have never been met.

Sadly nothing will change until the Political Class especially the Left develop the ethics and morals to develop and implement programmes that lift these people up rather than condemning them to what is now third and fourth generation of hopelessness.
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May 18, 2019 9:07am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A Party of the Poor will want more and more poor people.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:28am
- Yvette
  
  Lastmanstanding – In over five decades of following politics I have watched politicians condemn the Maori Pacific Island and low class White communities to a life of prison poor help and low living standards.
  
  How long do politicians need to chant this overt hate speech until mere repetition gives it some credence?
  
  No mana for Māori
  Press Release: New Zealand Labour Party
  “After nine years of this National Government, propped up by the Māori party, there’s not a lot to brag about. Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.
  … “There’s no mana for Māori who support a waka that’s shackled to the National Party.
  – Kelvin Davis, MP for Te Tai Tokerau – Māori Development, Corrections
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1702/S00255/no-mana-for-maori.htm
  
  Repeating the mantra of Maori failure in all social statistics for cheap political gain?
  
  What, since they became Government, has the Labour Maori caucus done, but watch as partnership schools – a promising educational taonga – was flushed down the toilet?
  ________
  
  Criminal Justice Summit: Plenary discussion on over-representation of Māori in the system.
  ‘It’s our fault he spent nearly half a century in a gang’ – Corrections Minister tells story of reformed prisoner
  Sam [now 60] was just 10 years-old when strangers arrived at his house in Mangere and took him away. His only crime was that he was born into a whānau of 16 children. They took him away from his home, away from his family, and put him on a train to a boys’ home in Levin.
  He had never known abuse or violence in his life until he walked through their doors.
  Four years later – and Sam was put on another train and sent back to Auckland.
  Within two weeks he had joined a gang – a new home, a new family he would remain with for the next 48 years …
  There had to be dozens of points in Sam’s life when someone could have stepped in …
  There are 5000 Sams in our prisons. And they include his children, and his grandchildren.
  
  … We need to do something together to create a different future for Māori and for their whanau.
  We need to break the cycle, connect them to their people, help them, and have hope for them.
  … I’ll probably never know why Sam trusted me with his story. I was a stranger to him.
  … What are we going to do to deserve Sam’s forgiveness?
  – Kelvin Davis, MP for Te Tai Tokerau – Māori Development, Corrections
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/criminal-justice-summit-plenary-discussion-over-representation-māori-system
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:42am
Chuck Bird

It will be interesting to see which National MPs respond.

To all National MP’s
As a National supporter for the past 47 years, I wish to voice my disgust at your actions in supporting the Government in the passing of the recent bill to make criminals of law abiding gun owners. I attended a recent meeting in Te Awamutu where MP’s Bishop and Kuriger were speaking about this very topic. I have never been in a group of people so hostile to anybody, let alone MPs. I would venture to say that about 300-350 people were there. Most would have been National party supporters. For how long, I can only guess. If they are like me, not for much longer, unless you change the way you are heading.

Your actions were despicable in casting aside the rights of law abiding citizens. All in the name of socialist ideology. I thought that was the purvue of the left. How wrong I am.
This will be posted on my blog site http://www.ysb.co.nz. It is a blog dedicated to upholding free speech and WAS a National Party support blog. Your actions mentioned above have seriously bought this support into question.

Your replies will be appreciated

Regards
Chris Roberts

https://ysb.co.nz/email-to-all-national-mps/
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May 18, 2019 9:10am
- kevn
  
  @Chuck… and Bridges just isn’t getting any ‘oxygen’ form the MSM. They are starving him out.
  Meantime in Paris….
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:05am
  - Alien
    
    no, he’s getting oxygen he just doesn’t know how to use it without looking stupid, as he did with t he slushy machines.
    
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    May 18, 2019 12:14pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Maybe you should think about voting for NZ First next year, Chuck, “to keep National honest”.
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:50am
Happychappy

I’m no Tracy Watkins fan but just think about who you could get to fill the job.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/112809543/palaces-protests-prime-ministers-and-a-donald-trump-hat–memories-ive-got-a-few.
In today’s world you have Journalism that is all about the Journalists and how they can sensationalize stories by bending the truth like Tova O’Brien or Patrick Gower, but this column penned by Tracy is not to bad.
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May 18, 2019 9:12am
- Chuck Bird
  
  She got the facts wrong about the so-called doodle. It was an oil painting and she had it burned so it would be harder to prosecute her.
  
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  May 18, 2019 9:38am
- Ross12
  
  Fair enough HC but this bit “an international phenomenon” is just in the eyes of the NZ MSM.
  
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  May 18, 2019 12:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

manipulate the language, manipulate the people

~~Goebbels~~ Guardian 101
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/05/17/guardian-hacks-told-to-use-scary-language/
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May 18, 2019 9:18am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, changing the weay we discuss climate change to global heating or Climate emergency does have some scientific basis,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/13/global-heating-more-accurate-to-describe-risks-to-planet-says-key-scientist?CMP=share_btn_tw
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:13am
- mikenmildagain
  
  That’s an alarming new development, Maggy, newspapers using scary language to engage readers. Could be something for the Daily Mail, or even bloggers, to copy.
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:55am
  - stephieboy
    
    Including Fox, Breitbat and Watts up etc!
    
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    May 18, 2019 12:29pm
- The King
  
  Say Maggy what’s your views on the Communists who attempted to silence Goebbels. They silenced him so much he eventually brought his own 6 speaker PA system and took to the streets. Do you think they they did the right thing?
  
  Genuinely interested.
  
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  May 18, 2019 12:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, go further back…
    How did Goebbels arrive on the scene…
    
    The German Govt attempted to close down Hitler & his small bunch of followers in Munich.
    He got Time-out in Landsburg Prison….
    Result: One book – Mein Kampf & loads of publicity.
    
    Hitler saw how to gain & exploit publicity.
    
    Techniques tried and true… and perfected by Goebbels… and employed ever since by mind manipulators….and mob controllers.
    
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    May 18, 2019 1:35pm
- Doctor Who
  
  Choosing words that better reflect reality?
  
  Gosh. Like calling you a climate denier.
  
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  May 18, 2019 4:36pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I think recent exchanges clearly demonstrate that you are the Science Denier
    Maybe you should stick to your echo chambers at SKS and Desmog blog
    Hey, this video still makes me laugh
    What a fool
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rEDZiwjGlgU
    
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    May 18, 2019 6:20pm
    - Doctor Who
      
      Yeah, Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA’s G0ddard Institute Space Studies is science denier.
      
      Let’s face it, you and the other climate deniers are absolutely bonkers.
      
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      May 18, 2019 11:47pm
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

Getting very interested in the Falao case. Seems Darth Castle has walled herself up and is praying this will blow over.

My guess is she will be gone in 2 weeks. Another example of a diversity hire out of its depth?

Funny how rugby, which is so dependent on PI players, many of whom are fairly committed Christians, have decided that being Christian is inconsistent with their values. Quoting scripture is now a firing offence. Not even understanding the scripture is presented as a virtue.

The media piling on here, were much more sympathetic when SBW refused to even display his team’s sponsor on his jersey because of his religious beliefs about usury.
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May 18, 2019 9:25am
- Scott
  
  Some good comments Nigel. What amuses me in a very sad and disturbing case of free-speech rights being trampled on is this – “we are committed to diversity and inclusion and there is no place for Israel Folau’s views”.
  
  Comments like that require a translator! The translation is this. Our major sponsor Qantas is very angry, particularly its homosexual CEO, and they have demanded that we get rid of Israel Folau. Therefore we are obediently falling in line and have sacked him.
  
  We are trying to hide our blatant trampling of free-speech under the guise of political correctness. But it is very difficult given the facts. The fact is that we are sacking someone, excluding him from playing rugby, all in the name of diversity and inclusion.
  
  We need to say this very quickly because diversity and inclusion does not obviously include God-fearing Polynesians who take their faith seriously and share their faith on social media. Those people we will exclude on the basis of diversity and inclusion.
  
  You can’t make this up!!??
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:21am
- Rob2
  
  Qantas decided his fate.
  Qantas apparently has no non discrimination policy or if it does that policy is coloured by the inhabitant in the top job who took offense at what was said.
  
  Rather poor effort on their part. The Waratahs are now stuffed. Morale is everything and that will hit rock bottom.
  
  Rugby fans will not bother so to go as they go to watch top players like Folau. No bums on seats , no money.
  Qantas on a better day would have simply supported his right to his voice but said it wasn’t their policy as a business to adopt his values. That would have been the end of story.
  Now the lbgt’s whatever are worse off.
  Discrimination at it worst.
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:22am
- Andrei
  
  So the Holy Bible upon which many of our MPs swear their loyalty is now deemed to be “Homophobic and transphobic”.
  
  Do you ever feel we might have fallen through the looking glass?
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:35am
- Ross12
  
  Whaleoil’s Aussie based writer did a piece a few days back showing poll results and the generally high support for Falou.
  
  https://www.whaleoil.net.nz/2019/05/israel-folau-australians-want-to-be-free-to-believe-as-they-choose/#more-469308
  
  I suspect there could be quite a bit of “blow back” on the decision.
  Next time a player bashes his partner, is caught drug taking, is involved in pub brawl etc (all have occurred in the past) it will be interesting to see if they lose their contract.
  PS. I suspect the boss of Qantas had the most say in the decision.
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    Roos12, now consider if SBW tweeted similar to Isreal . The howls crying for his blood and Islamphobic hysteria?
    
    Yes?
    
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    May 18, 2019 12:24pm
    - Ross12
      
      What are you talking about?
      SBW has nothing to do with what I was referring to.
      But I will remind you that SBW got away will having the sponsors logo covered on his jersey. The NZ company had a lot more understanding than Qantas.
      
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      May 18, 2019 12:59pm
- gravedodger
  
  Rugby Australia is being dictated to as in how it deals with Israel Falau by the CEO of Qantas a very driven poof who is using the threat of withdrawing the airline’s sponsorship as a weapon.
  This has some legs yet and it could well destroy RA already struggling against the explosion of support for Football across the continent and the entrenched strength of Rules in Victoria, NSW, SA and WA and League in NSW and Queensland with a one very successful club in Melbourne.
  Rugby is almost dead in the water in WA after the removal of the Western Force from Super Rugby , almost unthinkable when the significant numbers of ex pat Saffas and Kiwis now living there.
  
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  May 18, 2019 10:46am
- Notsofast
  
  How about confronting the obvious, that the teachings to these naive polynesians is as banal and evil as that taught young muslims.
  
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  May 18, 2019 11:05am
  - stephieboy
    
    Lundy fan a Muslim basher?
    
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    May 18, 2019 12:26pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Except for the ‘thou shalt not kill?’
    
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    May 18, 2019 12:43pm
- srylands
  
  It would be amusing if all the PI Christian rugby players posted quotes from the bible in support. What are they going to do?
  
  All that was required in this case was to ask him to tone down the burn in hell edge.
  
  And who cares? Some people post that adulterers will burn in hell. The adulterers don’t give a toss. How many gay people give a toss what Israel posts?
  
  I dislike all religion. But it is here. Unless some zealots start inciting their followers to violence and murder, just leave them be. In fact persecuting them may incite some extremists to violence.
  
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  May 18, 2019 11:07am
- David Garrett
  
  deity: Yes indeed..Ms Castle and her truly awful dye job – surely she can afford a better hairdresser? – are toast.
  
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  May 18, 2019 11:19am
  - Biscuit
    
    David, that ‘truly awful dye job’ has come about because Ms Castle has a skin condition that causes her hair to fall it.
    
    It’s a wig.
    
    Ok, a bloody POOR wig but…
    
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    May 18, 2019 11:39am
    - David Garrett
      
      Biscuit: Ah…thank you. I am suitably chastised… So I will amend my comment:
      
      Surely Ms Castle can afford a better quality wig?
      
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      May 18, 2019 12:07pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Im a bit surprised you didnt get onto it DG.
        When she appeared on the News last night, even my partner commented: “That would have to be one of the worst Irish Jigs Ive ever seen” 🙂
        
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        May 18, 2019 1:20pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Ah I wasnt chastening you, David.
        
        There are folk far more deserving of a chastening than you, heh heh.
        
        I agree 100% about the wig, mind!
        
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        May 18, 2019 2:36pm
- Yvette
  
  Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern “totally disagrees” with Israel Folau’s latest homophobic post.
  “I am very mindful of the fact that for many, he is a role model – he is a person in a position of influence. I think with that comes responsibility. I totally disagree with what he said and how he is using his platform.”
  
  So – as it was attempted to point out a couple of days ago – not only does Ardern take up the cause of those “homosexuals”, who were 2nd on the list that media so exclusively cherry-picked from, she sees the greatest danger of self-worth “damage” as being to young “idolators”, who, unfortunately, no-one really pointed out were last and 8th on the list of those whose preoccupations with their all-consuming lifestyles. or just selfish actions, separate them from God.
  
  1) Folau reacts to dishonesty of Tasmania allowing changes to birth certificates, pointing to others out-of-touch with God’s principles.
  2) media cherry-picks click-bait “homosexuals” from Folau’s list … again
  3) history repeats itself … again
  
  Question: Were all media too involved in their own sins of “witchcraft, hatred, variance, wrath, strife, seditions. heresies, and envyings”, to ask Folau why his graphic slogan says HELL AWAITS YOU, while his Galatians 5:19-21 quote says “they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God” which is not quite the same thing, and which should they have given emphasis to to accurately report him?
  
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  May 18, 2019 11:56am
  - srylands
    
    “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern “totally disagrees” with Israel Folau’s latest homophobic post.”
    
    That’s the thing. You are allowed to disagree.
    
    I say to myself “I disagree with Israel.” Then I get on with my day.
    
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    May 18, 2019 1:23pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Everybody has heard of him now, locally anyway, he has the power.
      
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      May 18, 2019 6:47pm
marcw

Overnight I watched (on Fox News) a news item celebrating the signing of a Free Trade Agreement between USA and Canada and Mexico. Pres Trump said it was a great day for these countries – no more tariffs allowing all to prosper.

Today in NZ:
Nothing on ZB News
Nothing in Stuff online
Nothing on NewsHub news.

Is good news not permitted if it comes from Trump? Or do they call it “Fake” ‘coz it was too orange or because they can’t understand?

NZ MSM, dinosaurs in our time.
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May 18, 2019 9:35am
- MCos
  
  Nothing to do with NZ.
  Furthermore.
  Just because President Trump says it’s the most wonderful treaty since the Egyptians and the Hittites in 1259BC doesn’t mean it is.
  The chap is prone to exaggerate his accomplishments.
  
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  May 18, 2019 1:31pm
- MCos
  
  I don’t know what you were watching on Fox, but the agreement was signed last last year. However it seems it is yet to be ratified because NAFTA is still operative.
  Read about it here on this White House blurb
  https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/united-states-mexico-canada-agreement
  
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  May 19, 2019 5:58am
Fletch

So Senator Dianne Feinstein has been caught talking on her unsecured iPhone around Washington with Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. How the hell do people think this is OK? It’s the job of proper govt negotiators, not some Dem hack.
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May 18, 2019 10:03am
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

Is New Zealand now ‘Land of the Long White Crazies’?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/112767886/lustre-of-gold-not-worth-the-cost
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May 18, 2019 10:08am
- Komata
  
  STH etc @1008
  
  He REALLY doesn’t like the industry doesn’t he, while ‘conveniently’ forgetting the part that it plays in his everyday life, even in the computer he used for his diatribe…
  
  Thank you for bringing the article to our attention.
  
  (1304)
  
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  May 18, 2019 1:10pm
Rachael Membery

Do we need to recalibrate our politics?

https://newzealand.isidewith.com/political-quiz
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May 18, 2019 10:11am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I did the poll and I was ACT 73% and National 64% and the others all a lot lower.
  
  My vote still goes with National.
  
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  May 18, 2019 12:05pm
- David Garrett
  
  Nope…gave a pretty accurate result for me.
  
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  May 18, 2019 12:17pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And me, but I went looking for a quiz to check lol.
    
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    May 18, 2019 12:36pm
  - Rob2
    
    ?????
    
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    May 18, 2019 7:58pm
- MCos
  
  One thing was missing.
  You can favour whoever you like, but it’s not much good if they don’t have the managerial talent to carry out their programme.
  
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  May 18, 2019 1:59pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  82% ACT/80% National for me
  67% NZF
  38% Labour
  35% Greens
  
  Pretty accurate
  
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  May 18, 2019 2:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hahahaha
  I came out 67% Green… based on just the first options presented… so when I took 5 more Environmental questions…..I dropped to 65% Green…
  so I took 7 more Social Policy questions….and now I’m 68% Green….
  
  in ya dreamz!
  
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  May 18, 2019 2:32pm
Rob2

Check out your persuasions politically. See where you should be voting.

You just might get a shock.

https://newzealand.isidewith.com/
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May 18, 2019 10:23am
stephieboy

This is insane ,

Televangelist Pat Robertson: Alabama abortion law ‘has gone too far,’ is ‘ill-considered’

“Longtime televangelist Pat Robertson, who opposes abortion, criticized Alabama’s near-total abortion ban that on Wednesday became the nation’s most restrictive and one expected to face legal challenge.

“I think Alabama has gone too far,” Robertson said Wednesday on “The 700 Club” before the bill was signed into law by Alabama’s Republican Gov. Kay Ivey. “It’s an extreme law.

“They want to challenge Roe v. Wade, but my humble view is that this is not the case that we want to bring to the Supreme Court, because I think this will lose.”

Robertson cited the law’s lack of exemptions for rape or incest and its punishment up to 99 years in prison for performing an abortion in the state.

Near-total ban: Alabama governor signs near-total abortion ban into law
25 men voted to ban abortion in Alabama: Do they reflect the rest of America?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/16/pat-robertson-says-alabama-abortion-law-has-gone-too-far/3690680002/
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May 18, 2019 10:28am
Maggie Pie

When i logged back in to ‘GD’ last night to count up the number of upticks my comments had gathered, i was surprised to see just how long some things had been held up by the Mods.
I noticed ‘stephieboy’ had asked me a question, [timed at 1:02 pm] under my earlier ‘Royal Baby Watch’ post, yet it had taken over 5 hours to appear. So i’m sorry for not responding ‘Stephie’, but the reef-fish had well and truly moved on by then.
Anyway, if DPF could do with some extra assistance to keep the moderation more timely, my partner works from home 3 mornings a week, and indicated he would be more than willing to help in that regard. You only have to say the word.
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May 18, 2019 10:38am
- srylands
  
  My comment took 12 hours to appear.
  
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  May 18, 2019 1:24pm
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, Maggie.
  
  It’s 2.41pm as I type to note that approval.
  
  One of the great things about GD is (or used to be) its immediacy.
  
  I could agree with you at 2.42pm.
  You could agree with my agreement at 2.43pm.
  I could agree with your agreement of my agreement at 2.43pm.
  And we could have arranged our illicit motel hook-up at 2.44pm.
  
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  May 18, 2019 2:41pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Maggie Pie would need at least another minute to check if her partner was ok with the hook-up.
    
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    May 18, 2019 3:30pm
    - Biscuit
      
      You and me both, Maggy.
      
      My partner always tells me I am perfectly at liberty to look.
      
      But…
      
      That she is perfectly at liberty to sever my genitalia should I touch.
      
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      May 18, 2019 3:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Perhaps you have some amazing qualities..
        
        I’ve been telling hubby to get a couple more wives… I’m sick of doing all the wood chopping, lawn-mowing, cooking, cleaning, etc.
        
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        May 18, 2019 3:58pm
Captain Mainwaring

Nothing has appeared for an hour and a half. Moderator must be off at kids’ rugby. Or something.
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May 18, 2019 10:57am
srylands

I think the moderators have joined the Moderators Union. It seems one hour on and one hour on.
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May 18, 2019 11:09am
Paulus

From Aussie I hear that Ms Castle’s handling of the Falau affair is causing much opprobrium in Aussie Rugby circles and her future is also under discussion.
Frankly she has stuffed up in the handling of the affair irrespective of the conclusions.
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May 18, 2019 11:23am
David Garrett

Paulus: Indeed…She’s toast mate…and rightly so.

does anyone know what she gets paid?
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May 18, 2019 12:18pm
- sooty
  
  Is it more than our PM?
  
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  May 18, 2019 12:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It must be in the $1M+ bracket.
  
  Bill Pulver was on a salary of A$735,885 back in 2015.
  
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  May 18, 2019 2:42pm
secondcumming

This has brightened up my day somewhat….. 😎

Described as Aussie’s *worst pedophile*, RUECHA TOKPUTZA, 31, has copped a jail sentence of *40-years*. Gotta give those Ocker judges their dues, they know how to treat low-life pedo scum when they catch one. Imagine if it were here…….5 years, out in 3, and put under 2 years supervision while living in a State House, 500mtrs from a Primary School.

One consolation, at least he’s not a New Zealander.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/sa/2019/05/17/pedophile-ruecha-tokputza-jailed-40-years/
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May 18, 2019 1:57pm
- Alien
  
  our punishments are a joke. I’d like to see when people lose their license that they have to start again from learners. So many areas that people are just getting a wet bus ticket and keep going doing what they have been.
  
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  May 18, 2019 2:52pm
- David Garrett
  
  Second: Yes…funnily enough when the lefties want to bang on about “draconian” sentences they invariably go for US examples…but just across the ditch the Aussies have been way ahead of us for a long time when it comes to long minimum NPP’s for particularly egregious murderers…30 and 40 year NPP’s quite commonly handed down.
  
  Here we are still debating whether Tarrant will be the first to get the LWOP that has been available since 2010….and been sought at least four times to my knowledge, without success.
  
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  May 18, 2019 2:58pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Cheers David….always value your informed input on matters like this. Even if the ‘accused Christchurch shooter’ is found guilty on all counts, I can still see him spending soft-time under the Mental Health Act.
    
    As I’ve said before, as far as our piss-weak judiciary are concerned, they have allowed this country to become a *free-range asylum*.
    
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    May 18, 2019 3:29pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Second: You are too kind…But no, I don’t believe Tarrant will escape with an insanity defence…although it would seem to me that it’s about the only defence open to him. There is just too much evidence that he knew exactly what he was doing, and that in the eyes of “the reasonable man” – if not to him – his actions were morally wrong.
      
      The only question will be whether he gets LWOP or not…if he doesn’t, we may as well remove it from the statute books.
      
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      May 18, 2019 3:43pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I doubt he wants to put up a defence, wouldn’t that include a sorry?
        
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        May 18, 2019 6:59pm
      - Kevin Herlihy
        
        In his April 5 appearance in court via video link, Tarrant faced 50 charges of murder and 39 charges of attempted murder.
        Justice Mander ordered two mental health assessments to determine Tarrant’s fitness to plead but cautioned that the assessments were procedural and not to read to much into the orders.
        Tarrant was remanded in custody without plea till his next appearance on June 14.
        
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        May 18, 2019 7:04pm
      - fernglas
        
        I agree with you on this DG. Not only does the evidence show quite clearly of the actions of a legally sane killer, but he would be reluctant to embark on any defence that suggests mental health impairment as that would undermine his moral basis for so acting.
        
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        May 18, 2019 7:37pm
  - Rob2
    
    Ya gotta remember that many of the early colonists in both Tasmania and NSW were transported to the colonies for rather minor stuff. and they were sent for 7 years and then got a ticket to stay.
    Not surprising that they still have that in the blood .
    
    Here some interesting from todays MSM
    
    The floating brothel: The most scandalous convict ship of all
    When the Lady Juliana arrived in Sydney in the winter of 1790, it was 11 months since the ship departed England.
    
    Hundreds of colonists gathered to greet the ship they believed was bringing them desperately needed supplies for the near-starving colony, reports news.com.au.
    
    But the onlookers were bitterly disappointed to see that, instead of food and livestock, the ship had carried more than 200 women. Or as Lieutenant Ralph Clark bluntly put it, “more damned wh***s.”
    
    The passengers might have been a feast for the eyes for some, but the women also signified a devastating new burden on the new colony. How on earth were they going to feed another shipload of people?
    
    Six marines had recently been hanged for stealing food and 90 per cent of the diet in Sydney consisted of rice wriggling with weevils.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12232176
    
    Coincedently I have just about finished reading a book called “the Potato Factory” which is all about those times and the shipping and the jails in Tasmania. (Bryce Courtney who also wrote the Power of One).
    
    No wonder the Aussies are tough on people.
    
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    May 18, 2019 8:13pm
Ross12

President Trump speaks to a Real Estate agents conference.
Part of it involves having a bit of fun with the Democrats ideas :
“…They’re going to spend $100 trillion for a green new deal. Nobody has any idea what the hell it is. They know that you can’t take a plane anymore you have to take a train to Hawaii. (laughter) A train to Australia. Hey, if they can’t build from San Francisco to Los Angeles (laughter) what’s going to happen when they say, ‘Let’s build a train to Europe.” …”
He sure know how to take the “micky”.
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May 18, 2019 2:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This is what arrived at University last year… courtesy of taxpayer largesse.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/112827108/safety-concerns-raised-after-large-group-trashes-victoria-university-residential-hall
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May 18, 2019 4:18pm
Maggie Pie

You know all those things that people think but dont say ?

I say them.
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May 18, 2019 5:11pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  And very succinctly too. I have had many a wry smile and the odd chuckle.
  
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  May 18, 2019 7:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The compulsion to down tick every comment that other people post on blog sites, is a condition known as – ‘Achondroplasia’
  
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  May 18, 2019 7:14pm
Hugh Pavletich

… Housing afforability …
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May 18, 2019 5:39pm
Hugh Pavletich

… UNITED STATES … CALIFORNIA …

Trump Cancels $929 Million For California’s High-Speed Rail Quagmire | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-17/trump-officially-yanks-929-million-californias-high-speed-rail-quagmire

The Trump administration has officially pulled a $929 million federal grant to the California High-Speed Rail Authority after terminating a 2010 agreement.

In a release, the Federal Railroad Association – a component of the US Department of Transportation – said that California’s rail authority “repeatedly failed to comply with the terms of the FY10 agreement and has failed to make reasonable progress on the project. Additionally, California has abandoned its original vision of a high-speed passenger rail service connecting San Francisco and Los Angeles, which was essential to its applications for FRA grant funding,” according to CNBC. … read more via hyperlink above …
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May 18, 2019 6:13pm
Fletch

And so, it begins….

Police investigate racist online forum post

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/police-investigate-racist-online-forum-post
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May 18, 2019 7:05pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 73: Right wing Aussie git

A man believed to be a volunteer for Clive Palmer’s United Australia Party has been fined for allegedly exposing himself at a polling station in western Sydney. Police said the 67-year-old committed the offensive act after getting into a dispute at the voting centre at Bankstown Public School. It is alleged he exposed himself in front of at least three women and a man. He was issued with an infringement notice and ordered to move on.

A witness said the altercation began when the man approached her as she handed out how-to-vote cards for local Labor MP Jason Clare. “He was very problematic and he was aggressive and abusing me and calling me a moron and calling me names and I removed myself from the situation,” Mariam Mourad said. ….

The United Australia Party (UAP) candidate for Blaxland, Nadeem Ashraf, said it was unacceptable someone wearing party apparel would behave in that manner.

“I do not want my wife to be exposed to seeing anything like that and I’m pretty sure the public and community of Blaxland and of Australia do not want to be exposed to dirty and horrific acts of that,” he said. ….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-18/federal-election-2019-clive-palmer-supporter-fined-by-police/11126446

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLK1rt3v5cI

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; … 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; … 71 The Rt Dishonorable Steve Dickson; 72 The “Chikan”.
http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/05/gropers-no-73-right-wing-aussie-git-may.html
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May 18, 2019 7:40pm
Jack5

While Maori language struggles in New Zealand, the internet is pushing English into new techno-pidgin languages and threatening to replace local languages which have small numbers of native speakers.

At the moment, more Chinese-native speakers than English-native speakers use the internet. Some expect English plus English pidgin languages to overtaken Chinese numbers in the near future.

Teenage and young adult internet users are creating the pidgins by merging their native languages with English. Franglais and Denglisch are examples from French-speaking and German-speaking countries. You can guess where Chinglish and Hinglish are developing.

If Maori (minus the Net-unfriendly macrons) were to surge, perhaps there would be a Minglish, though it would likely be headed off for the title by Malay (20 million speakers), Mongolian (about 7 million speakers in Mongolia and China), or Macedonian ( 1 to 2.5 million speakers).

The second link below is to a Dutch report on the rise of “Dutch English”, a rising local variant of English in a country where the vast majority of people speak English as well as Dutch.

http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/blog/news/the-internet-is-changing-our-language-2

https://www.dutchnews.nl/features/2018/01/english-is-no-longer-a-foreign-language-in-the-netherlands-but-it-has-a-unique-character-here/
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May 18, 2019 8:16pm
Prince

Was whiling away the hours this morning in Whitcoulls when I saw a book called ‘The Bible’.
I’d heard a lot about this book, apparently it has been quite influential over the years.
I decided to have a look.
Shocked and appalled, in particular by a chapter called ‘Galatians’, and another ‘Revelations’, but there may be others.
Some remarks there that appear quite unkind to ‘immoral’ people. This could be hurtful and cause hurt feelings to some.

Who can I complain to, and how do we go about having this evil tome banned ?

Oh, I also saw a book by a Mr Hager that contained some nasty words about other New Zealanders.
Again, what is the process to have this examined and Mr Hager banned from further writings ?
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May 18, 2019 9:51pm
Morrissey

Something called “Prince” is a tad bewildered…

Oh, I also saw a book by a Mr Hager that contained some nasty words about other New Zealanders.

Nicky Hager is invariably polite and measured in his speech and his writings. The nasty words you saw—I’m assuming you actually read a bit of it, unlike most of his detractors—were quotes from various National Party operatives, the nastiest of them being Cameron Slater, Judith Collins and Sir Douglas Graham’s halfwitted son.
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