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MickMac

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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/05/13/conservative-politicians-need-to-come-clean-on-climate-change/

Farage for PM

Speaks the truth!
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May 15, 2019 8:03am
- emmess
  
  The media always tell us that the Centre-Right parties needs to ‘modernise and move to the Centre and even beyond to the left’, well the Tory’s have and look at the outcome – polling in the low teens.
  Yep, they should really take that advise because the media always had their best interests at heart.
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The bubble is bursting.
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:45am
  - freethinker
    
    Yes and some really poisonous venom will emerge.
    
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    May 15, 2019 12:43pm
- Scott
  
  Mickmac – thanks for posting the excellent article. It is easy to be sceptical about “climate change” when it used to be called “global warming” but the name got changed because things weren’t warming up fast enough it seems? The fact of the matter is that if we New Zealanders culled all of our cows and shut down all of our powerplants it would make absolutely no difference to the temperature of the earth.
  I am sure that everyone wants to look after the planet and avoid pollution. But the amount of new energy plants, coal-fired energy plants, that China and India are building is greater than all of the total United States inventory.
  So we need to be sensible on our climate policies. We need a balanced approach that doesn’t involve heavy-handed government intervention and radical utopian schemes that will actually make no difference.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:26am
  - MickMac
    
    Scott
    Assuming that there is truth in Climate change/Global warming.
    
    Weather is weather.
    We don’t change it.
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:59am
    - Scott
      
      Mickmac – fair comment. You do have to wonder when you find that a climate change conference is cancelled because of heavy snow and bad weather. It happened in Chicago a few years ago if my memory serves me correctly? I do know that in October 2008 the British House of Commons held a debate on global warming. On that day it snowed in London. The first snow in London in October since 1922!
      https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/28133-climate-alarmists-push-global-warming-agenda-amid-6-feet-of-snow-in-switzerland
      
      The predictions of global warming include that snowfall would become a thing of the past. Over the last five years we have had huge dumps of snow in Dargaville, snow falling in central Auckland and snow falling in Gisborne for the first time in living memory.
      
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      May 15, 2019 11:20am
  - marcw
    
    Kobe (Japan) is commissioning 3 new coal fired power plants THIS year – their emissions alone will be equivalent to 18% of Australia’s TOTAL emissions.
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:12am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Japan is still dealing the political (and radioactive) fallout from the Fukushima Dai-ichi powerplant debacle.
      It’s going to be thermal power generation for a generation, I recon.
      
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      May 15, 2019 10:41am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      Yes but it all balances out, the great socialist state of Victoria got rid 25% of the state power source by closing hazelwood.
      Wholesale prices have gone from mid $30 mw average to over a hundred in the life of the Andrews government.
      The really great thing is, Australia will step in and let the world shove it to them big time and take the blame for all it’s coal exports.
      A brighter note, Japanese are burning high quality Aussie coal, NZ are burning putrid low quality Indonesian coal.
      
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      May 15, 2019 11:35am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I also suspect that the Japanese coal-pulverization and combustion technology is pretty sophisticated. High-quality low-sulfur coal is a good start.
        
        Japan is getting cleaner and cleaner as the years go by. The fish are returning to the rivers of Tokyo. (There’s more forest cover in Japan as a percentage of land area than in NZ.)
        
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        May 15, 2019 1:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Nigel Farage is an Oswald Mosely wannabe! IMO
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:48am
  - MickMac
    
    Painting words again Stephie….
    
    Trolling before 10am as well!
    Your opinion is just that.
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:00am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    There are periods in history when change is necessary, and other periods when it is better to keep everything for the time as it is. The art of life is to be in the rhythm of your age.
    
    — (guess who said that?)
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:02am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Nobody cares about your opinion, but by all means double down/triple down on your hysteria, try all CAPS it`ll give your “opinions” heaps more gravitas.
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:11am
  - krazykiwi
    
    NCAYO (Nobody cares about your opinion)
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:31am
  - Nukuleka
    
    I wonder whether your ‘Oswald Mosely’ is perhaps a distant relative of the rather more infamous ‘Oswald Mosley’.
    
    Just asking for a friend.
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:31am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Here is a question for you Stephieboy.
    My Grandfather spending half a decade in The Somme, pulling his dead brother out of a trench whilst wounded by same Shrapnel. Living a hell in mud, shit, and dead bodies.
    He would be turning in his grave to think he gave so much, to see socialists like Macron and Ardern leading the charge on reversing what he fought so hard for. Your freedom to air your views.
    I cannot think why he tried to save France, it now can’ t even save itself from itself.
    Isn’t socialism so grand.
    Life is going to be very dull for you when your opinion goes unopposed.
    Maybe I will be the first to buy a yellow shirt down under.
    Sitting in the La Rotante boarded up and 200 police guarding it isn’t my vision for the future or enjoying life.
    Great shame is Macron still doesn’t get it, he will at the next election.
    Farage has integrity and vision, Macron is like Trudeau and Cindy, just platitudes achieving nothing but pissing off the majority of the populace big time, and taxing the crap out of them.
    You reap what you sow. You obviously have a big liking for Winston’s puppet on a string.
    
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    May 15, 2019 11:54am
- Kabull
  
  To those National Party minders who monitor KB, can I ask – nay, plead – that you pass this article on to Todd Muller. And invite your leader to reconsider whether the Party’s stance on climate change is right. It will be a brave opposition that presents views contrary to the mandated gospel but for the sanity of the electorate and the avoidance of monumental waste it is time a stand was taken.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:33am
  - Ross12
    
    Absolutely right Kabull but I will not hold my breath waiting for it to happen.
    I think ACT might take a stronger stand and if they do they will get my party vote, for the first time, because of this one issue.
    
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    May 15, 2019 1:22pm
- Allan
  
  I long for the day that a Politician such as Farage emerges from the pack. At present it would seem we have either Labour Left or Labour Lite. I despair at what is being promoted by Simon and his team right now with regard to the Climate Change scam and the current debate on freedom of speech. The whole gun law change was pushed through without reasoned debate and was done in totally undemocratic manner so Labour Lite ie Simon and his team let us down again. Cindy has let the ridiculous praise go to her head and she now really thinks that what she does or sayes is gospel and that she can do no wrong. I really do fear for the future of NZ as it appears to me that both Parties are drinking out of the same misinformation fountain.
  
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  May 15, 2019 11:35am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Approx. 350 people turned up at a public meeting in Te Awamutu on Monday at the RSA regarding the gun laws, Chris Bishop turned up along with Barbara Kuriger to explain National’s position.
    
    It seemed to me that fundamentally it was the same as the governments, they apparently put in some amendments regarding sports shooters and a few other exceptions but they were unsuccessful, so they might as well have opposed it on the grounds of property rights, but they didn’t want to oppose it, as Chris said that they would have made the same decision even if there had been more time than what Labour dictated.
    
    It might have been a hard call not to have a united NZ in face of ChCh, and the emotion that surrounded it, but that is not NZ and that politicians think that law abiding gun owners are going to copycat that is insulting. Why else are they going after people that bought the guns straight after the killings. Of course you would buy one while you still could.
    
    Just like we are all (or should be) taking the opportunity to speak freely while we can still do that too.
    
    AND THEN THEY CAME FOR ME!!!
    
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    May 15, 2019 4:21pm
    - rockape
      
      A wise man quoted this recently. Get the policies right and the politics ill follow” seems the policy was rushed and its going to cost National politically. There are a lot more rural , National supporting Gun owners then lefties.
      
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      May 15, 2019 5:50pm
Tony Stuart

On Newstalk ZB at 8am – 25% of PGF grants to date have gone to – drum roll please – Northland. Matua Shane is doing his best to buy his way into Parliament in 2020, with our money.

It will be interesting to hear what the Auditor-General has to say about the PGF.
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May 15, 2019 8:04am
- hullkiwi
  
  Despite the AG being an officer of parliament, his report will be delayed and buried to such an extent that any impact of the report will be severely diluted. Much the same as occured with the Saudi Sheep Deal report.
  
  However, the nature of what has been occurring is wrong and is being covered up by cabinet committee process.
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:17am
- Hacked-Off
  
  I asked this question of the AG this morning – will be interested in the answer when it comes, if it comes, and I will post it. It has been passed to the respective bureaucrat.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:12am
- oldgolfer
  
  Have a feeling the AG may have much to say and got the feeling TV viewers were given the PR treatment the other night.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:25am
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/112594136/the-homicide-report-lays-bare-new-zealands-problem-with-family-violence

As close to a ‘lie’ as it gets:
https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publication/homicide-victims-report-2017-and-historic-nz-murder-rate-report-1926-2017
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May 15, 2019 8:06am
- Andrei
  
  This is the lead story on Stuff?
  
  Isn’t there anything else happening in New Zealand, the world?
  
  Why the focus on women killed by their partners, ex partners?
  
  Are most homicude victims female?
  
  Is this an accurate representation of homicide in New Zealand?
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:52am
  - MickMac
    
    Andrei
    I consider the hierarchy of the NZPolice to be a political organ so I don’t give much truth to what they say.
    
    If they weren’t advocates and interpreters of whatever laws they wanted I would not think this.
    I do not trust them to be impartial.
    
    Maybe the ordinary cops, though with the woke generation being amongst their younger members, we’ll see.
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:02am
Lee C

It will be interesting to see what the electorate say about it too.
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May 15, 2019 8:07am
- hullkiwi
  
  Well given Whangarei councillors wanted nearly a $100k on a junket to Vienna because they are getting an Art Gallery paid for by the fund, it’ll be interesting to see how people react this October.
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:11am
  - doggone7
    
    Whangarei councillors wanting money from the fund for a trip to Vienna will have absolutely next to no impact at all on council election results.
    
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    May 15, 2019 8:54am
Paulus

Do I detect that Helen Clark is setting herself/being set up as our Social Media/Free Speech Commissar ?
Presumably when Ardern comes back with the “Peace in our Time” from Paris that this will be implemented.
I almost think that Ardern’s publicity attempt is falling on its face as from what I can see the only media commented on her is the New Zealand one.
Macron is there but on his own electioneering.
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May 15, 2019 8:07am
- Yvette
  
  Jan 29 – FBI investigation into Las Vegas shooting finds no motive
  Stephen Paddock’s 2017 attack that killed 58 people (injured over 600) was ‘all about doing the maximum amount of damage’, said special agent Aaron Rouse, in charge of the FBI’s Las Vegas office.
  The absence of a single motivating factor is not unusual, according to the FBI. And it places Paddock within the typical profile of other mass murder shooters who are prompted to violence by a “complex merging” of various stressors.
  There was no manifesto, no suicide note, nothing left behind to explain the attack.
  
  The Christchurch mosques gunman, Tarrant, has provided a manifesto, “back-grounding” his actions.
  
  Yesterday, Clark unveiled her foundation’s report on reducing the harm caused by social media.
  Speaking to Q+A, Clark agreed with Little and said it was “time to have a look at the law in light of what is happening in society”.
  
  The Interviewer asked Helen Clark, and Foundation guest, if they had read the manifesto?
  Both answered, No
  Interviewer – There will be people who say that exposing the ideas like this man, the alleged gunman published, to the light of day, and to criticise, to public scrutiny, is best way of destroying those ideas.
  
  Helen Clark – Well, that’s not really the view our Prime Minster has taken and I support her. She’s never spoken his name, we don’t refer to the contents of his manifesto generally in public discourse – I frankly think the less oxygen these kinds of violent extremist views get, the better for all of us.
  
  The Helen Clark Foundation is an independent public policy think tank based in Auckland. Helen Clark is patron.
  Does a “think tank” actually research or read anything , or does it just “think” and “tank”?
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:50am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Nailed it in your final line Yvette.
    
    And I wish Helen Clark would just STFU. She still doesn’t seem to be able to accept that the electorate gave her the Don’t Come Monday in 2008. It’s as though she’s expecting us to wake up one morning, realise we made a colossal mistake, repent, and reinstate her as PM.
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:17am
  - dubya
    
    I still find the not saying Brenton Tarrant’s name incredibly childish. Is Ardern really so daft that she thinks if people say his name, they will suddenly idolise him?
    
    They say those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. I suspect the same goes for those who try to erase it.
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:19am
    - Yvette
      
      The Christchurch terrorist, the Christchurch shooter, the Christchurch mosques massacres, Christchurch Call …
      
      And then the reporting of the Christchurch court case may need to use a few names
      
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      May 15, 2019 9:45am
    - mandk
      
      Careful now, dubya.
      
      Look into the mirror and say his name three times and watch what happens. (Spooky music plays)
      
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      May 15, 2019 9:49am
    - Liberty
      
      In China you can google Tank man and you will get a photo of Tank man.
      I suspect very few would know of Tank man simply because he is not talked about.
      
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      May 15, 2019 10:26am
    - John Warren
      
      Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant. Brenton Tarrant.
      
      Look! Nothing happened.
      
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      May 15, 2019 10:32am
      - Inandout
        
        Add manifesto.
        
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        May 15, 2019 11:43am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Knock knock…..
        
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        May 15, 2019 11:50am
  - MickMac
    
    She lies like a flat fish.
    Notice “generally in public discourse”
    
    That means they’ve all read it and discussed it.
    Planning their squeezing of views they don’t like.
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:24am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Independent? lol
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:05am
  - cmm
    
    “Well, that’s not really the view our Prime Minster has taken and I support her.”
    
    I don’t give a shit what an expert chip wrapper feels about the matter.
    
    What we should be basing decisions on data and science. What do criminologists and such say?
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:22am
  - G152
    
    Sounds like the think has tanked.
    Is Clark any more trustworthy now ?
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:42am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Ask the Taxpayers Union what a think tank does …..
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      Now let’s see….no CGT… thanks tax payers union for your input.
      
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      May 15, 2019 11:40am
  - Allan
    
    The less oxygen that Clark gets and the less we hear from her the better off we all will be.
    
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    May 15, 2019 11:37am
- Straight arrow
  
  Further to my comments on the Helen Clark Foundation’s Social media paper, I believe this is not so much a dispassionate research or analytical paper designed to offer new solutions, but a PR exercise to support Ardern. The “paper” is aimed at the general public, and nowhere near a policy discussion paper.
  
  My evidence is the use of emotive and misleading language, lack of critical thinking, and lack of understanding of the social media industry.
  First, the authors say Facebook “admitted” and “conceded” some points: what Facebook did was gather information, present the facts, say what they will do, what further options should be investigated, and all in a coherent narrative. In fact, their response was far more extensive than the Foundations.
  
  Secondly, the authors suggest that the mechanisms used by the NZ Media Council or the Broadcasting Standards Authority are a possible solution. After the NZ media collective statement on how they are going to cover Tarrant’s trial, is this really how we want social media companies to act? The problem definition, if there is one, is how can we regulate mainstream social media companies, as opposed to how we can mitigate the risks that a person will be radicalised using the internet? (for example).
  
  Thirdly, the authors make unsubstantiated claims about Facebook deliberately promoting “’borderline’ content, or content which is sensationalist or provocative in nature” as major profit drivers. Evidence please. The authors do not address how certain social media sites that operate on the edge of the internet can be regulated, especially on an international basis. In fact, Facebook says that it was the use of “bad actors” using an unregulated site that caused Facebook so much problems taking down the video.
  
  Finally, the full page image of Ardern in hijab is the clincher.
  
  https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2019/03/technical-update-on-new-zealand/
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:40am
  - adamsmith1922
    
    And the whole thing got lapped up by Jack Tame in a PR session on Q+A
    
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    May 15, 2019 11:43am
    - John Warren
      
      That’s what little lap dogs do.
      
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      May 15, 2019 5:23pm
MickMac

Lee
I don’t have confidence in the Electorate.
and am coming round to the position that if you’re not a citizen or nett taxpayer or don’t get any benefit, you shouldn’t vote.
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May 15, 2019 8:10am
- Ian Boag
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Maybe add “and own property and be male”. 19th century was a great time …..
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:42am
  - MickMac
    
    Sorry Ian
    You can stay there in the 19th century.
    
    I’m voting for the future generations so that they can have a future not bound to Socialista goverments.
    
    I want those who don’t use their brains and vote for free stuff off of the list.
    
    Oh and add Labour, NZF and Green voters for 10yrs to give us a chance to come right..
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:06am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Do you hate yourself that much?
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe just show that you are a contributor to society.
    
    I have a good friend living o/seas who is on a permanent benefit due to mental health issues.
    
    He is allowed to earn a few dollars which he does but doing a daily paper round. He also volunteers at a couple of organisations that provide counselling/advice for disabled people both physically and mentally disabled.
    
    Although he is a negative contributor to his country financially he does as much as he can to alleviate others. Ask around and see how many beneficiaries in New Zealand spend their days helping others including some that contribute here.
    
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    May 15, 2019 11:47am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Aspirational – good stuff – to be commended. You have mentioned this person before. No sarc.
      
      To be fair, in making the comparison one might like to have some idea of how many beneficiaries do this in the country that he lives in …..
      
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      May 15, 2019 12:11pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I have been there a couple of times and in the supported home that he lives in, there are 11 apartments plus one for the rotating nurse staff, all are encouraged to participate in the community to the level of their abilities.
        
        From what I saw, they all did a bit from cleaning up the grounds, gardening both within the complex and in the surrounding area plus shared and coordinated cooking within the complex. Those that were confident went into the city itself and volunteered where they could.
        
        In the entire complex all were engaged with society as a whole.
        
        https://www.iamsterdam.com/en/work/employment-laws-and-benefits/unemployment-benefits
        
        https://www.iamsterdam.com/en/work/employment-in-amsterdam/volunteer-schemes
        
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        May 15, 2019 12:30pm
Simon

Do the Greens still want Brenton Tarrant to be able to vote? Early in March the Greens were pushing for crims to vote. Not seen any updates. (Tarrant an Australian can vote in NZ after 12 months residency.)

Ghahraman argued that taking the right to vote away from prisoners excluded them from properly engaging in society, which in itself harmed rehabilitation.

She believed all prisoners should be able to vote – not just those with short sentences.

“We have the Crimes Act and the Sentencing Act that go to their offending. We are already punishing them proportionately to what they have done” Ghahraman said

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108929007/green-party-makes-call-for-law-change-to-allow-prisoners-the-right-to-vote

Brenton Tarrant apparently has no access to news sources. How can Tarrant make an informed voting decision, take part in democracy and ‘engage in society” if he isn’t up to date on current issues? Where are the Greens on this?

Why have the Greens not taken high profile Tarrant under their wing and fought hard for his rights to promote prisoner rights in general?

Has any Green MP visited Tarrant to check up on him? Why isn’t Ghahraman helping Tarrant to “engage in society”.
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May 15, 2019 8:11am
- Swifty
  
  Heh
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:22am
- waikatogirl
  
  Ghahraman could have a nice smiley photo taken with him to add it to her other one.
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:26am
  - cmm
    
    Naah. Tarrant didn’t kill enough people to get a Ghahraman hug.
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:49am
    - John Warren
      
      Guy Williams gets hugs from Golly every day. What the hell did he massacre?
      
      Oh right, comedy.
      
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      May 15, 2019 5:26pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Simon, your post is a very good one and highlights the muddled thinking of Ghahraman and those with similar views.
  
  Tarrant is a perfect example of someone who has a particular ideology that led him to commit murder on a mass and extreme scale.
  
  At the least, he should be jailed for life. He will be jailed, because he has no place in civil society. With him being jailed he loses the privleges of being part of society, which includes the right to vote. He will not being going to prison to be rehabilitated and besides given my previous points, I still do not see a reconciliation of being jailed, rehabilitation and as a prisoner he has lost the right to participate in civil society and therefore is not entitled any chance of having a right to vote, ever!
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:32am
  - MickMac
    
    I disagree.
    he did it 100%, not mistakes….
    therefore he should die.
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:25am
    - septic skeptic
      
      History is littered with the corpses of innocent people that were thought 100% guilty at some point.
      
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      May 15, 2019 9:49am
      - MickMac
        
        Not Tarrant though…..
        
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        May 15, 2019 10:07am
      - Tall Man
        
        Oh dear. You might want to rethink that comment in this case.
        
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        May 15, 2019 11:48am
      - septic skeptic
        
        If 100% certainty is the standard for the death penalty, what % should suffice for imprisonment?
        
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        May 15, 2019 11:57am
- Wayne
  
  He’s not a NZ citizen.
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:46am
  - MCos
    
    Don’t have to be a citizen to vote.
    Permanent resident visa holders, which automatically includes Australians, qualify.
    However they have to be in the country for a certain length of time, which I can’t remember offhand.
    
    Somehow doubt his vote would swing an election.
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:25am
    - cmm
      
      It was a year when I came to NZ. Tarrant would qualify.
      
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      May 15, 2019 10:50am
    - 3-coil
      
      The alleged Chrustchurch mass-killer, Brenton Tarrant, is a self-confessed “eco-terrorist”…so he’d probably vote for the NZ Green Party.
      
      So Golriz probably would want him to vote.
      
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      May 15, 2019 11:37am
      - stephieboy
        
        “eco-terrorist” Meaning what?
        
        Commie, Cultural Marxist?
        
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        May 15, 2019 3:39pm
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      Maybe he would vote green, he does appear to have green ideologies, maybe Cindy could confirm this as I am not trusted to know his thoughts, only Cindy.
      List is growing rapidly, we have a faceless baby, a kiddy fiddler that has been scorched from social media, a mass murderer that the whole population knows his name, but his name is never to be repeated.
      Maybe we should start redefine history, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, just to mention a few.
      Tarrant actions are that of a vile man, are they any worse than hundreds of sickos that carry out their sick beliefs everyday.
      A mother that gets her child carved up in the ladies department, she a sick physcopath, no she is misunderstood.As are the crowd that turns up to stone an innocent woman to death very slowly.
      You cannot change history but you can redefine it to your beliefs in the way it happened.
      Cindy is manipulating history as we sit her on many fronts.
      
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      May 15, 2019 12:12pm
  - KiWombat
    
    But as Simon says (sorry !) once he has been here for 12 months he will be entitled to vote. Chances are he will be a resident of Paremoremo for some time yet, so on that basis he would qualify to vote in next years election !
    
    Golly better get out there with an enrolment form !
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:16am
- simpleton1
  
  Brendan Tarrant believes he is following in Nelson Mandela’s foot prints. Should Nelson Mandela’s life story be removed as a bad example for ‘white supremacists” to follow?
  Tarrant’s actions are way more reprehensible than Nelson Mandela’s.
  
  As Nelson Mandela was prepared to die, as he stated in his court case, but years later awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, freedom and ultimately Presidency of South Africa.
  
  Tarrant believes he will be freed and awarded a Peace Prize. He is no Mandela!
  
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  May 15, 2019 11:06am
  - Tall Man
    
    1983: Church Street bombing
    In 1983, the Church Street bomb was detonated in Pretoria near the South African Air Force Headquarters, resulting in 19 deaths and 217 injuries.[13]
    
    1985: Amanzimtoti bombing
    In the 1985 Amanzimtoti bombing on the Natal South Coast, five civilians were killed and 40 were injured when Umkhonto we Sizwe cadre Andrew Sibusiso Zondo detonated an explosive in a rubbish bin at a shopping centre shortly before Christmas. In a submission to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC), the ANC stated that Zondo’s act, though “understandable” as a response to a recent South African Defence Force raid in Lesotho, was not in line with ANC policy. Zondo was executed in 1986.[14]
    
    1986: Durban beach-front bombing
    In the 1986 Durban beach-front bombing, a bomb was detonated in a bar, killing three civilians and injuring 69. Robert McBride received the death penalty for this bombing, which became known as the “Magoo’s Bar bombing”.[15] McBride received amnesty and became a senior police officer.[citation needed]
    
    1987: Johannesburg bombings
    In 1987, an explosion outside a Johannesburg court killed three South African Police members and injured a further 15; a court in Newcastle had been attacked in a similar way the previous year, injuring 24. Also in 1987, a bomb exploded at a military command centre in Johannesburg, killing one person and injuring 68 personnel.[citation needed]
    
    Other bombings
    The armed struggle continued with attacks on a series of soft targets, including a bank in Roodepoort in 1988, in which four civilians were killed and 18 injured. Also in 1988, a bomb outside a magistrate’s court killed three. At the Ellis Park rugby stadium in Johannesburg, a car bomb killed two and injured 37 civilians. A multitude[16] of bombs at restaurants and fast food outlets, including Wimpy Bars,[17] and supermarkets occurred during the late 1980s, killing and wounding many people. Wimpy were specifically targeted because of their perceived rigid enforcements of many apartheid laws, including excluding non-whites from their restaurants.[citation needed]
    
    1985—1987: Landmine campaign
    From 1985 to 1987, there also was a campaign to place anti-tank mines on rural roads in what was then the Northern Transvaal. This tactic was abandoned due to the high rate of civilian casualties—especially amongst black labourers. The ANC estimated 30 landmine explosions resulting in 23 deaths, while the government submitted a figure of 57 explosions resulting in 25 deaths.[18]
    
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    May 15, 2019 11:57am
Happychappy

You can tell when the bullshit measure has been raised when the media start saying the claim by Winston shows how little scrutiny the Party is under when he says that a trade deal with the USA is going to happen because he and Mike Pence had a conversation.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/112715782/winston-peters-trade-claim-shows-how-little-scrutiny-the-party-is-under
Peter’s has the cheek to ask Journalists where the substance is on the 3 Million dollar figures are on the Crime Survey is after his bullshit on Fontera and a trade deal that will never happen on his watch.
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May 15, 2019 8:13am
- Tony Stuart
  
  New Zealand is not going to get a free trade agreement with the US whilst Jacinda Ardern is slagging the US off about gun laws.
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:17am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    It’s a mistake to talk about “US gun laws.” One should talk about “State gun laws” since they vary widely from one State to the next.
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:17am
    - Swifty
      
      That’s a good point.
      
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      May 15, 2019 12:09pm
  - Overworked
    
    Or calling their president orange. Or bad-mouthing him on US TV.
    
    She’s an idiot savant, pure and simple. Brilliant at self-promotion despite being thick as a plank. Our very own Chauncey Gardiner.
    
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    May 15, 2019 12:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Detailed essay on mismanagement of Californian forests and wildfires.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/14/californias-government-solely-responsible-for-states-forest-management-and-wildfire-debacle/
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May 15, 2019 8:25am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, how many illegals are involved in these fires, seeing California is a ‘sanctuary state’?
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:47am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No idea
    but a large number have resulted from failures of the electricity network… arcing powerlines strung across windy gullies, and poor maintenance at power plants
    
    https://www.ecmag.com/section/systems/link-between-power-lines-and-wildfires
    
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-13/why-california-wildfires-put-heat-on-power-companies-quicktake
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:43am
- All_on_Red
  
  Yep, the data shows a steady drop in Forest Fires in the US until the last decade when they started to increase again because they ceased managing the forest as well as they used to.
  Graph on figure 16-1
  https://web.archive.org/web/20140913135647/http://www.fs.fed.us/research/sustain/criteria-indicators/indicators/indicator-316.php
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:48am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Why haven’t they started raking the forests as the president instructed?
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:37am
    - Ed Snack
      
      You display the typical comprehension problem seen in the media – you want to take Trump literally but not seriously, instead of seriously but not literally. Raking is simply one component of the forest management regime required, do you expect him to give a discourse on all the techniques involved ?
      
      But he’s quite correct as these reports show, the “naturalist” fallacy of leaving the forests to manage themselves has been shown to lead to “natural” fires on a devastating scale. If you are going to have communities living within the forested areas, in order to manage the fire risk a management regime of those forests is necessary. Those who advocated for and achieved a nil management regime are directly responsible for the death toll, but don’t expect those people to actually have to atone for that let alone actually suffer any consequences.
      
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      May 15, 2019 9:51am
      - Komata
        
        Ed S
        
        The Australians proved the fallacy of the greenie’s ‘let it be’ argument, with a series of fires which led to widespread death and destruction.
        
        It seems that California didn’t learn anything, or even bother to enquire…
        
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        May 15, 2019 4:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      If you read the article, or knew anything about California’s environmental laws, you’d know why.
      
      However, this type of equipment is commonly used to “rake” forest brushwood and dead logs/branches.
      https://www.tradefarmmachinery.com.au/detail/caterpillar-d6k-xl-577051
      
      I expect when legislation is changed in California, controlled fires, brushwood clearance, selective tree felling will be permitted again.
      
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      May 15, 2019 10:01am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  M W, this is getting tedious in respect of Anthony Watts,
  
  “…BESTed
  
  In March of 2011, Anthony Watts appeared to stake his entire stance on the reliability of surface temperature data on a single upcoming study: the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Study (BEST), an independent temperature record to be constructed using over 39,000 unique stations. On March 6th, Watts said on his blog:
  … I’m prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong. I’m taking this bold step because the method has promise. So let’s not pay attention to the little yippers who want to tear it down before they even see the results.
  
  However, when BEST’s results confirmed the reliability of preexisting surface temperature records, Watts backpedalled. Apparently, he was only willing to stake his claims on an independent study if it came to the conclusion he wanted.”
  
  Sigh!
  
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @stephieboy…
    when I post an item on kiwiblog, it is me – Maggy Wassilieff – that does it… not David Farrer – the owner of Kiwiblog.
    
    Do you get it?
    
    Can you comprehend the difference between someone who owns a blog site and the contributors who post articles/ essays/ opinion pieces on the site?
    
    The article I linked to was written by Larry Hamlin.
    
    It summarises the findings in the California Community Wildfire Prevention and Mitigation Report.
    
    Read it here for yourself if you can’t cope with a summary on “the World’s most viewed site on climate change”
    
    http://www.fire.ca.gov/downloads/45-Day%20Report-FINAL.pdf
    
    Hamlin also refers to the Report from the Legislative Office “Improving California’s Forest and Watershed
    Management”.
    
    Read it here for yourself if you can’t cope with reading it on Anthony Watts website.
    
    https://lao.ca.gov/reports/2018/3798/forest-watershed-management-040418.pdf
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:20am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW,
      
      Experts Blame Multiple Causes for California Fires
      
      “..Deadly fires not forest fires
      
      Westerling said forest management, cited by President Donald Trump as a factor in these fires, is important in reducing the intensity of some fires and maintaining the carbon balance in the atmosphere — a vital role of forests — but that the deadly fires started on private lands in the Los Angeles suburbs and the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains, and not in forests.
      
      “It is true that in some places, in some fires, that legacy of how we managed past fires can make a big difference in fire severity,” Westerling said. “But we’re seeing fires increase in size and intensity all over the map in very different types of vegetation…”
      
      https://www.voanews.com/a/experts-blame-multiple-causes-for-california-fires/4661305.html
      
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      May 15, 2019 10:33am
    - Swifty
      
      I think he’s actually got worse since he’s been away.
      
      I had hoped that his enforced absence may have improved him, but no.
      
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      May 15, 2019 12:07pm
    - Doctor Who
      
      No informed rational person would read and cite wattsup when there are so many expert sites explaining climate science, without cherry picking and in context.
      
      Only a loony would try to argue global warming/climate change hasn’t influenced the fire hazard in California (and other places). Apart from the attribution studies, the fire season has changed — it’s now all year.
      
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      May 15, 2019 3:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’re so ignorant and so constantly wrong you’re becoming an inhouse joke
        This data from the US Forest Service shows the frequency of fires has reduced over the past 100 years
        https://web.archive.org/web/20140913135647/http://www.fs.fed.us/research/sustain/criteria-indicators/indicators/indicator-316.php
        Why are you such a Science Denier?
        Lol
        
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        May 15, 2019 3:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh and as for California
        It’s a dry place, always has been- except when it rains
        So who knew Forest Fires happen?
        //
        #idiot
        
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        May 15, 2019 3:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And we have “nutjob steffy” back it seems.
    
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    May 15, 2019 12:00pm
MickMac

Tony
Whilst Jacinda is slagging USA period.
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May 15, 2019 8:25am
emmess

A realistic look at the NZ China relationship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnNB6-osoiY
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May 15, 2019 8:26am
- Albert_Ross
  
  It’s not a totally stupid idea, though it depends on the details. If the idea is that this payment should replace all existing benefits, then some of the total cost is offset. Also there are considerable savings in administrative costs, as there’s no longer any need to work out who’s eligible for what. There’s also the moral advantage that there is no longer any incentive to cheat the system, eg by pretending you’re disabled when you’re not; and incentives to work are strengthened, because when you switch from unemployment to work you don’t lose the ubi – thus, the financial difference between being in work and not is actually greater than under a system where you are paid only if you are not.
  
  It would be simple enough to provide for a reduced rate, or even no rate, for prisoners if paying prisoners was considered a problem, although again you would need to compare the cost with what a released prisoner usually costs the state.
  
  It may be that even once all this is taken into account, the cost is still too great. But I can’t see that the answer is so self-evident that the question should not even be asked.
  
  Edit: sorry! This was meant as a reply to the UBI post below. Apologies
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    The problem with UBI is you will eventually run out of people to pay.
    
    You could achieve similar administrative results by introducing a basic tax rebate.
    
    1. Make Benefits tax free.
    2. Reduce benefits to net (after tax benefit level)
    3. Introduce basic rebate so that beneficiaries don’t get taxed from $1 once they restart work.
    
    In addition you can achieve the same result as working for families by using a child rebate.
    
    The admin savings would be enormous.
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:29am
    - Tall Man
      
      How about no benefit and no tax until maybe $100K.
      
      Stop government waste and expenditure on social engineering and just leave us the fuck alone.
      
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      May 15, 2019 12:02pm
      - alloytoo
        
        I don’t object to a safety net.
        
        Anyone’s circumstances can change in an instant through no fault of their own. Unfortunately the current system is not designed to be a safety net (in fact it serves taxpayers deserving of a safety net the least), but rather a lifestyle.
        
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        May 15, 2019 2:00pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Pension?
        
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        May 15, 2019 4:03pm
JibberJabber

How long before Labour tries to introduce the ridiculous UBI to deliver the death blow to NZ?https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1126957/Murderers-rapists-paedophiles-Labour-plan-public-money

Labour (UK)has commissioned a report into the cost of giving all working-age adults £70 a week, regardless of their wealth or behaviour.
Alec Shelbrooke, the Conservative Vice-Chairman, said the proposal “beggars belief”.
“This utterly ludicrous plan shows why Labour can never be trusted to govern the country or our economy.”
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May 15, 2019 8:28am
- adamsmith1922
  
  See here, Golriz Ghahraman blurts about it
  https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2019/05/15/golriz-ghahraman-has-another-blurt/
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:41am
  - MickMac
    
    yeah but where’s the individual dignity Golriz!
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:28am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A country can’t use permanent welfare to achieve prosperity. It will take away the motivation to work and foster a nation of lazy, entitled individuals.
  
  (Don’t we have enough of them already?)
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:19am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    It only takes away the motivation of work compared to a state where there is no unemployment benefit. Compared to a state where there is unemployment benefit, like this one, a UBI actually increases the incentive to work. Consider:
    
    You and your friend are both unemployed, collecting (say) $100 unemployment benefit. Now you get a job paying (say) $200. You get $200 but you lose the $100 unemployment benefit, because you’re not unemployed, but your friend still gets the $100 because he’s still unemployed. Getting the job has made you only $100 better off than he is.
    
    Under a UBI, you still get the $100 as well as your wage. So you are $200 better off than your friend.
    
    The exact numbers don’t matter. The reward for work is greater, and the incentives to cheat are less, under a UBI than under a system where benefits are paid only to people who don’t work.
    
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    May 15, 2019 12:13pm
- Happychappy
  
  Andrew Little and Grant Robertson tried to get it in the public domain when Little was the Leader of the opposition about 6months before the last Election and failed badly as Robertson was out of his depth in explaining how it would work.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:08am
  - adamsmith1922
    
    Little has changed then as he is still out of his depth
    
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    May 15, 2019 11:45am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Do you mean Little HASN’T changed?
      
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      May 15, 2019 1:05pm
    - Paulus
      
      Little is also out of his Pike River Mine.
      Assume he cannot go in until Cinderella is there as it’s her photoshoot.
      
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      May 15, 2019 1:35pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s little different to our present benefit system with a wider clawback.
  
  It will get more significant if there are continuing job losses to automation. It’s not possible to expect lower paid less able workers to be suitably retrained for productive employment–a displaced accountant maybe, but not a shelf filler.
  
  Our benefit system copes well at present with job losses but it may place too much pressure on future workers. The UBI recognises the lack of opportunities. That will require a tax adjustment too: the gain from automation will need to be seen to be taxed as it imposes higher costs on the state. We don’t let people starve.
  
  The increased profitability needs to be fairly shared with the dispossessed via taxes so they are not a burden thrown onto other taxpayers. This may look like the lower classes are taking advantage but if their opportunities for gainful work are denied can we complain if they are found on a couch?
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:17am
Happychappy

Most of the diatribe on Facebook comes from Maori, the unemployed or those bitter activists from the left, so for her to talk about facebook in the way she has could cost her a lot of her support. White extremists would be in the minority on many sites in NZ so this is total crap from Tova O’Brien.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/jacinda-ardern-won-t-rule-out-blocking-facebook-if-used-to-spread-extremist-content.amp.html
Another attempt to gain support to close down free speech.
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May 15, 2019 8:31am
- Inandout
  
  Close down free discussion and have TovaSpeak remaining.
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:49am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Inandout, nothing stooping spreading your fatuous nonsense!
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      Yep, the nutjob is back.
      
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      May 15, 2019 12:03pm
- Jules99
  
  All those grandmas who love seeing photos of their grandchildren living overseas would be really upset if FB was banned here.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:46am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Especially live streamed.
    
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    May 15, 2019 5:30pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/05/links-15-may-2019/#comment-3347409

China’s empty homes may prove a bigger threat than Donald Trump’s tariffs … Michael Janda … ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/china-vacant-property-empty-homes-donald-trump-tariffs/11082900

Build it and they will come. That is the philosophy underpinning modern China’s urban fields of dreams. …

In some senses they have, and do, come. But they are not residents or businesses in many of China’s gleaming new towers. They are investors — speculators betting that property values only go up as China’s population moves indefinitely in just one direction, from country to city. …

… To give you a better sense of the scale of China’s overbuilding, assuming a reasonably generous average of 80sqm of floorspace per new dwelling, that is 80 million units that are currently sitting empty. … read more via hyperlink above …

Chinese property is extremely unaffordable

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/chinese-property-is-extremely-unaffordable/11113024
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May 15, 2019 8:34am
- Cobolt24
  
  The Queensland towns that will remember their decimated house prices on election day | Domain
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  https://www.domain.com.au/news/the-queensland-towns-who-will-remember-their-decimated-house-prices-on-election-day-836422/
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:23am
Tarquin North

I’ve taken to watching Credlin and The Bolt report on Sky news, and find them honest and well balanced though obviously right leaning. Why can’t we have programmes like this over here instead of trash like the truly vomit inducing Project?
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May 15, 2019 8:36am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Perhaps Credlin and The Bolt report do not follow the narrative. We can’t allow dissenting opinion, now, can we?
  
  To question the narrative is “hate speech,” didn’t you know.
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:46am
- Ross12
  
  TN. Agree and my wife who is not really into politics says the same.
  Credlin would make a great Australian PM if she wanted to go that way.
  BTW. Alan Jones is just as good. Last night he had a professor on talking about Labour’s policy on the whole gender identification , changing genders etc. issue. What they are proposing is truly frightening.
  They had to discuss it last night because if Labour get in on Saturday, it will be illegal to discuss the issue publicly. If you can get a replay of the show it is well worth watching because you can guarantee if they get in there will be people pushing for it in NZ.
  
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  May 15, 2019 8:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    Having been in Oz for the past few weeks I can confirm that Sky News is vastly superior to the trash we have to endure.
    
    They seem to be relatively neutral but do call out bullshit when they see it and surprisingly that does seem to emanate more from the left than the right but they do seem to jump on it regardless of political orientation.
    
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    May 15, 2019 12:07pm
- Durden
  
  Why would you wan to watch trash TV, when you have choice like this.
  
  http://ustv247.com/fox-news-live-stream-hd/
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:51am
- Wired-one
  
  Paul Murray Live is great also, I wish we had a similar type of show on each day here.
  
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  May 15, 2019 12:20pm
JibberJabber

From the Taxpayers Union this morning,

While Nelson’s Mayor is trying to declare a “climate change emergency”, the Taxpayers’ Union is declaring a “hypocrisy emergency” covering Nelson City.

Just last year, the Mayor embarked on a 36,000km climate junket to Denmark, which was primarily to view a yet-to-be-open climate change museum. Now she wants her council to declare an emergency over global emissions, despite her own brazen contribution!

The Mayor should be sticking to her knitting – Nelson’s roads and rubbish – not making hypocritical declarations about global issues.

By co-incidence, Mayor Reese’s proposal came at the same time we’ve been looking into her Denmark junket. We have obtained information showing that she spent four nights at a luxury hotel in Copenhagen costing the ratepayer nearly $2,000, and all ratepayers were left with was the bill and emissions.

Stop your council from joining the madness
If Nelson City Council approves the Mayor’s hypocritical “declaration of climate emergency”, it’s a fair bet that other councils will follow fast.

These declarations may begin as harmless virtue signaling, but in the UK are being used to justify introducing new costs on ratepayers (despite the insignificant contribution to global emissions from councils).

Maybe an IOA to find out if she purchased Carbon Indulgences to pollute the skies?
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May 15, 2019 8:43am
- kevn
  
  @JibJab… Our leftie Rotorua Mayor Stevie Chadwick, also holds down a job as a newly appointed chair-elect of a new Primary Health NZ group consisting of GP’s, practice nurses and pharmacists. I would see it as fairly time consuming position.
  Not a bad top-up gig for our part-time Mayor. Maybe she should assign herself a reduced mayoral salary?
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Gisborne Herald editor got some strife from quoting a translation of a haka

“Captain Cook, Bloody crook — walk the plank.

“Why have you come back? Get your red neck and bald head back to the place you were executed . . .”,
http://gisborneherald.co.nz/opinion/4094078-135/slants-on-history-do-no-favours
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May 15, 2019 8:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Once upon a time in Hawaii it was Hawaiian supremacy that ended Cook. I have been into shops in the Pacific where, even though I was known, I could not get served.
  Caring for ones own is a universal trait.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:29am
MrTips

Dear Simon
Grow some balls and nail Cindy to the wall on this one, like she deserves. https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/i-do-not-understand-the-united-states-jacinda-ardern/ar-AABmeIs?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Laws too permissive eh PM? Well, YOU bloody contributed to that with your in council edict in Nov 2018. Simon should absolutely smash her breathtaking hypocrisy here.
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May 15, 2019 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  Simon…. this person you speak of…probably from that anonymous opposition we are told of….?
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:21am
- MickMac
  
  Mr Tips
  I suspect Soiman won’t.
  Simon might though.
  But I think his ball’s are being held by his minders for the group he represents in National.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:31am
- MCos
  
  Simon Bridges probably agrees with her.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:36am
  - MickMac
    
    MCos
    you might be correct
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:10am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Grow some balls and nail Cindy to the wall…
  
  Let’s keep your sex fantasies out of it, Mr Tips. This is a family blog.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:40am
- KevO'Brien
  
  She’s not yet ruler of the USA.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sshh, don’t tell her.
    
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    May 15, 2019 12:09pm
- Alien
  
  Simon will do his usual on this, nothing.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:51am
Happychappy

Hasn’t taken a Film director long to get a movie organized on the terrorist attack killing 51 on the ChristChurch Mosque’s.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12231029
I wonder whether Jacinda will shut this down.
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May 15, 2019 9:15am
- Inandout
  
  She won’t shut it down if she features prominently in the footage. Opportunities!
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:23am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Wait for the movie on the life of Jacinda, the book.
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:39am
    - Komata
      
      Rachael@1039
      
      A reel of exposed, blank, film will never sell…
      
      (1624)
      
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      May 15, 2019 4:25pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Neither would ones with content.
        
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        May 15, 2019 5:32pm
- MickMac
  
  No, I doubt it.
  It will show the suffering.
  
  As horrible as it is, there is leverage in that.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:32am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    ‘leverage’?
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:47am
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.nzcpr.com/the-politicisation-of-a-tragedy/
      
      That should get your juices going mikey.
      
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      May 15, 2019 12:16pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Happyvhappy , your not suggesting the shooting was a false flag or never happened?
  
  https://kevinbarrett.heresycentral.is/2019/03/christchurch/
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:35am
  - Happychappy
    
    Wankaboy how is she going to stop the name Tarant being used if you allow this to go ahead and will they be able to obtain the manifesto to create this movie.
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    There’s dumb, dumber and there you come along and lower the bar yet again.
    
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    May 15, 2019 12:17pm
- dave_c_
  
  Wannabe dictator Ardern will attempt to shut anything down if she sees personal gain by it.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:37am
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    “Wannabe dictator Ardern…” ???
    
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    May 15, 2019 9:46am
    - rangitoto
      
      She’s working on it.
      
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      May 15, 2019 10:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      Yeah steffy, I have to agree with you here, she’s already there in her mind….
      
      She’s now onto “world domination”… once she gets Trump under her wing…..
      
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      May 15, 2019 12:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why would it be shut down, and how? Are you worried that such a film would glorify terrorism?
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:40am
- Alien
  
  I believe the working name for this movie will be Jacinda Christ Superstar, a biopic of how Jacinda saved the world.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:50am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’m beginning to think that’s precisely what she thinks of herself.
    
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    May 15, 2019 2:01pm
stephieboy

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Nigel Farage “you sit on a throne of lies” where “ my word” is totally meaningless!

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage

plus,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG9ejIFAo2I
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May 15, 2019 9:31am
- Ed Snack
  
  My Word was an excellent Radio program (Frank Muir and Denis Norden). No slagging past gems thank you.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:54am
Odakyu-sen

A movie organized on the terrorist attack killing 51 on the Christchurch mosque could be a vehicle for a wide range of narratives.
– One man’s losing battle with mental illness
– The evil and power of one individual
– The path to radicalization
– The price a group can pay for adherence to its “identity”
– The inability of one mindset to accept diversity
– The use of a horrific act to one’s political advantage

The list is endless.

And then there is the argument of whether it is right to use such an event to push any narrative at all.
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May 15, 2019 9:44am
- rangitoto
  
  Surely there will be some way to blame Captain Cook.
  
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  May 15, 2019 1:23pm
BrownSnake

Cook me some Eggs said the Captain

He did

and NZ has never been the same Since

I blame Captain Cook for everything personally

I really do

Who else could you blame?
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May 15, 2019 9:46am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It is so much easier to blame others for your misfortune than to take personal responsibility for your own life.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:57am
  - Jack5
    
    Eggsactly! You have cracked it.
    
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    May 15, 2019 10:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He that would have eggs must endure the cackling of hens.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:51am
Yvette

It’s hard to understand why Folau says he cares about gay people, and knows their suffering, yet uses his powerful social media platform to compare gay people to thieves and adulterers.
By doing this, instead of helping to stop the bullying of gay girls and boys, Folau is essentially passing a stone to bullies and online trolls to throw at these young people.
Israel Folau has broken the spirits of many children who once idolised him – Erik Denison, a researcher with the Behavioural Science Laboratory at Monash University

Well, there you are Erik – “homosexuals” were second on the Folau “list” that media cherry-picked from – they didn’t bother to mention the “idolators”, who came in last at 8th on the list.

But then there is more –
The Galatians 5:19-21 KJV text, which Israel (Folau) quotes, also mentions “uncleanness, idolatry, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, envyings, drunkenness, revelings and such like”, all of which I have seen headlined at various times as being associated or promoted with rugby or football.
And as I do not follow the sport in any way, I may be ignorant about “adultery, fornication, lasciviousness, witchcraft, seditions, heresies and murders” in relation to the game.

But I would point out this quoted text does contradict the HELL AWAITS YOU prognosis, and warns instead “that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God”, which would seem to be a spiritual detachment quite different to the HELL clickbait slogan.

But then that seems to be the sort of trouble one can get into taking narrow Biblical quotes as being gospel.

Ask Brian.
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May 15, 2019 9:48am
- MickMac
  
  Yvette
  Please post the complete Folau post so we can see it in context.
  You know the words he wrote and the images words.
  so we can see the cherry pick by the media and activists.
  
  I suspect they ignored the ALL and picked the one word.
  
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  May 15, 2019 9:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-11/israel-folau-slammed-over-latest-anti-gay-comments/10991574
    
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    May 15, 2019 11:23am
  - Yvette
    
    While Tall Man kindly gives a link you want, MickMac, I believe the original post also had an image including the headline –
    Tasmania becomes first Australian jurisdiction to make gender optional on birth certificates.
    – which seems to have been the trigger
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12221200
    
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    May 15, 2019 11:49am
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      Imagine the poor kids in 15 years when they get to see their birth certificates. Think how embarrassed they will be to find that their parents didn’t know that they were plain little boys and girls. And think of the teasing they’ll get from their friends –
      
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      May 15, 2019 7:59pm
MickMac

Our Prime Minister Jacinda Adhern doesn’t understand the United States inability to change Gun Laws?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/i-do-not-understand-the-united-states-jacinda-ardern/ar-AABmeIs?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Maybe it’s like she didn’t understand the NZArms Act changes she gazetted in December 2018 but Simon is not asking her about…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111438784/changes-to-gun-law-overseen-by-jacinda-ardern-described-as-crazy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110266758/police-firearms-staff-proposed-restructure-could-affect-more-than-350-jobs?rm=m

Or maybe she doesn’t understand the role of states in constitution and law viz a viz the Federal Government and law.

Either way she is found wanting……
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May 15, 2019 9:55am
- BananaLlama
  
  She doesn’t understand the concept of rights at all.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:16am
- Alien
  
  You could of just stopped with
  
  “Our Prime Minister Jacinda Adhern doesn’t understand”
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:58am
Maggie Pie

“Just because i’m here in Paris trying to change the world, dont think for one moment that i’m not still logging into Kiwiblog. I know what your agenda is”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6WhhgeUIAEK2v1?format=jpg&name=small
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May 15, 2019 10:04am
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggie Pie, otherwise known as a cheap shot by manipulating an image using an app like photoshop!
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:23am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Welcome back steph! I have sooo missed reading your posts –
    
    The Gospel According to St Lukes 🙂
    
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    May 15, 2019 11:36am
  - Swifty
    
    You mean like the filthy pics you posted here of Trump’s daughter?
    
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    May 15, 2019 1:12pm
  - Alien
    
    like helen clark and jacinda do all the time with the photos of themselves.
    
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    May 15, 2019 3:18pm
KevO'Brien

Why it pays to respect an older, very long established society–
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-14/china-calls-peoples-war-against-us-vows-fight-new-world

China can take it, but they have a price.
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May 15, 2019 10:41am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We all have to live together on this planet–we can sail as far as we like but there’s more sea. Adaptation requires and is reciprocated with respect. We are not compelled to like another’s lifestyle or politics but toleration of the differences allows trade and harmony.
  War is only profitable to those who make and supply weapons.
  
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  May 15, 2019 12:56pm
secondcumming

*How hackers broke WhatsApp with just a phone call*

A timely reminder….. why you should *never* click on links in suspicious emails or texts or download shady apps.

https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/1128332296174612480
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May 15, 2019 11:26am
Fletch

AG Barr has appointed a US attorney to look into the FBI probe of Trump. A fairly nonpartisan guy from all accounts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/14/barrs-pick-investigate-mueller-probes-origins-has-history-penetrating-fbi/

Let’s hope he gets to the bottom of this.
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May 15, 2019 11:42am
- rangitoto
  
  The Dem’s coup plot has backfired spectacularly. Jail time coming up for the ring leaders.
  
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  May 15, 2019 11:51am
Fletch

Can that really be Jacinda Ardern from the early 2000s? She looks so, well… normal. AT least she looked healthy back then. She’s beginning to look like Helen now.

https://www.whaleoil.net.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/d5b865cfa5a8119c3918.jpeg
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May 15, 2019 11:47am
- Alien
  
  the stress of the job seems to do every PM in.
  
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  May 15, 2019 1:10pm
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, Jacinda lived life to the full back then.
  
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  May 15, 2019 2:13pm
Happychappy

A student leader has warned the Coalition that they will face a backlash if they try to revise the student no fee policy.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/389233/coalition-faces-student-backlash-if-no-fee-policy-revised
Grant’s may get caught out with his quest of money grab and and has been warned not to ditch the policy.
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May 15, 2019 1:13pm
Yvette

Woman shot and killed by police after grabbing officer’s taser in Texas.
The incident took place on Monday night (local time) at an apartment complex in Baytown, Texas. Police say the officer recognised the 45-year-old woman, who had warrants for arrest, when he was patrolling the area. In the video, which has gone viral online, the woman can be heard telling the officer she was pregnant.

One view – “If an officer can’t take a 45 year old pregnant woman into custody without escalating it to killing they are either utterly incompetent or out looking to kill someone”

Another – Lt Steve Dorris, of Baytown Police, said it was unfortunate the incident was distributed on social media. “She actually [tased] the officer, which forced the officer to draw his duty weapon and fire multiple rounds at the suspect.

Would Ardern’s Christchurch Call Pledge have detected this violent video?

The Prime Minister isn’t ruling out changing laws that could go as far as blocking Facebook if it’s used to share extremist or violent content like the alleged Christchurch gunman’s video of the March 15 terror attack
– so would she block Newshub which is among others in featuring this video at the moment?

Would I be breaking some yet to be defined law by commenting about it?
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May 15, 2019 1:14pm
Captain Mainwaring

Newshub restructuring.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112730890/mediaworks-calls-newshub-staff-into-meetings

The best thing they could do for their ratings is give Paddy and Tova the DCM.
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May 15, 2019 1:14pm
- Alien
  
  i would think cancelling the news and replacing it with real housewives of otahuhu would be more entertaining and get better ratings.
  
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  May 15, 2019 4:21pm
Swifty

Children. The country is being run by children. And, it seems, they fully intend to wreck the joint.

https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1127807961185771520

Rarely have I seen so much wrong with a single tweet.
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May 15, 2019 1:17pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Comments thread…
  
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  May 15, 2019 2:58pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    It’s scary how many think it’s a good thing. I wonder how many realise that their, let’s say $100 a week universal benefit, will cost them $1,000 a week in tax? Belief in magic money trees does cloud some thinking.
    
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    May 15, 2019 4:26pm
- Tall Man
  
  Didn’t see a response from her to the 100% criticism.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:49pm
Ross12

Wellington Mayor Lester said very recently he would like to people getting out cars with more living in the inner city, so there was little need for cars.
He said when he knew this was going on
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/wellington-owners-face-insurmountable-costs-make-apartments-quake-safe

He is either an idiot or being unbelievably deceptive.
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May 15, 2019 2:00pm
- rangitoto
  
  Those are not mutually exclusive.
  
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  May 15, 2019 2:48pm
Yvette

‘Hello Brother’: Film about Christchurch mosque shootings in works

ما حدث ويحدث في نيوزيلندا يستحق التأريخ والتوثيق الإنساني.. يستحق أن يعيد الجميع نظرهم في (الآخر) بعيداً عن الجهل والتعصب والتطرف الذي هو ليس حكراً على أحد.. قريباً بإذن الله نشرع في إنتاج فيلم سينمائي عالمي.. للإنسانية… اسمه #HelloBrother
What happened in New Zealand deserves human history and documentation. It deserves to be reconsidered by everyone else, away from ignorance, fanaticism and extremism that is not exclusive to anyone. Soon, God willing, we will start producing a global film for humanity … named #HelloBrother

Can a film about the Christchurch mosques massacres be made without depicting what is already visually banned in New Zealand, and if not based on that will fail to be accurate, but also can a script “without ignorance, fanaticism and extremism that is not exclusive to anyone, if Allah allows” actually relate to the reality that it is?

And one assumes – as naming Ms Millane’s killer was claimed to have the potential to abort justice in that case – to what extent can a film of the Christchurch atrocity be discussed, promoted or otherwise publicised without also prejudicing court proceedings?
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May 15, 2019 2:23pm
- sooty
  
  They will make it and it will not be shown in NZ, but will be overseas! Poor Cindy, will be cast with Helen Clark in her place.
  
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  May 15, 2019 4:55pm
All_on_Red

So who out of Brennan, Clapper, Yates, Comey, Lynch or Rice is going to flip first to get the softer sentence?
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May 15, 2019 2:56pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Probably none, as there seems little likelihood that any of them are criminals. Unlike those Trump cronies whose guilt is already established, such as Flynn, Gates, Papadopoulus, Manafort or Cohen.
  
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  May 15, 2019 3:57pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘probably none’
    Let’s see what happens.
    
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    May 15, 2019 4:12pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Shouldn’t they be concentrating on reinvestigating Benghazi, Uranium One and Comet Pizza so that Clinton can be locked up first?
      
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      May 15, 2019 4:55pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        When surrounded by clowns, go for the juggler.
        Come on Mike, you know who Trump is after – Obama, worst President ever and a traitor. Quite possibly a secret Muslim seeing as there are so many in Congress.
        Oh, about that birth Cert and Kenyan stuff …..
        
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        May 15, 2019 6:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Plenty of time mikey after all, Trump will be there until 2024 🙂
        
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        May 15, 2019 10:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Let’s see what happens”
      I heard that sentence in a Trump voice
      
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      May 15, 2019 6:25pm
Lee C

Thank you for that graphic mental image Psycho.

There are some things you can’t un-see…
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May 15, 2019 3:10pm
Ross12

Interesting series of videos on the Australian organisation Get Up. How they started, who is involved, their methods etc. Worth watching.

http://joannenova.com.au/2019/05/wakeup-to-getup-shorten-will-be-beholden-to-global-network-of-radical-left-wing-activists/#comment-2137587
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May 15, 2019 3:12pm
Jack5

Michael Reddell, at his Croaking Cassandra blog, continues questioning whether there are economic benefits to immigration.

Today, Reddell shows that most countries with flat or falling populations are doing fine, economically.

Reddell finds signs that advanced countries with rapid population growth do less well (in material terms) than countries with less rapid population growth.

https://croakingcassandra.com/
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May 15, 2019 4:10pm
cmm

Numptie thinking from Nash:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/112508621/a-gun-register-may-help-reduce-the-homicide-rate-but-its-no-sure-bet

A serial number was used as evidence to convict a person in a homicide. Therefore Nash thinks a serial number register will reduce homicides.

A few points to consider Nashy:
1) Ummmm, it didn’t reduce the homicide rate in this case did it? The homicide still happened!
2) Does a berson hopped up enough to go murder someone really think “ooh no, they might have the serial number”!
3) Files remove serial numbers.
4) For every gun killing there are 4 or 5 knife killings. Serial numbers on knives too?

Sorry Nashy, this is just more “do something, anything” thinking not based on reality.
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May 15, 2019 4:46pm
Johnboy

Hey has any of you well educated folks actually signed up and paid for that shit that the Harold is trying to call….”Premium” ?
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May 15, 2019 5:09pm
- Swifty
  
  Johnboy, did you see the footage of your grandson on here yesterday?
  
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  May 15, 2019 5:53pm
- Alien
  
  Why would anyone when you can click and see most the articles are crap anyway and any from overseas you want to read can be found usually on google
  
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  May 15, 2019 6:40pm
- Happychappy
  
  Their is one good thing about the Pemium Johnboy is we don’t have to read or listen to David Fisher and his bull shit.
  
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  May 15, 2019 6:45pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Nope. Who would pay for a business class ticket only to be allocated the middle seat by the bogs at the back of economy.
  
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  May 15, 2019 6:57pm
Happychappy

Since when is a person on the List elected to Parliament.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/112699355/if-you-stand-up-for-something-you-had-better-be-able-to-back-it-up
Another bully that thinks he is great at his job but really just a average MP.
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May 15, 2019 6:30pm
- Alien
  
  we elect those on the list by picking which party to party vote.
  
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  May 15, 2019 7:24pm
- Tall Man
  
  And stuff give him support.
  
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  May 15, 2019 10:34pm
Alien

So this week we have heard that a guy on the benefit opened his bank account and found he’d been paid a teachers wage by the ministry of education my mistake. Now a lady has been paid 12 million by ird by mistake. What the hell have you done labour.
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May 15, 2019 6:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gosh…
scuttle-butt in Gizzy makes an Editorial…

http://gisborneherald.co.nz/opinion/4094426-135/rumours-just-rubbish-mayor

I especially love the final sentences:

These rumours will have taken a toll on all those drawn into them and especially the Foons. People need to consider the impacts of what they share as tittle-tattle.

Hell, now everyone in the East Coast will know the rumour!
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May 15, 2019 8:16pm
Alien

Hospital is doing renovations. They have today sent out letters to all gp’s. For the next 22 weeks until the renovations are finished they will be taking no new patients that are not already on the waiting list. Damn. Never heard of that before, usually they work around the patients don’t they? Oh well maybe that is how labour is going to save some money with this dhb.
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May 15, 2019 8:54pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA …

Hong Kong sounds the alarm on Chinese capital flight … Ambrose Evans – Pritchard … UK Telegraph (behind paywall)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/05/14/hong-kong-sounds-alarm-chinese-capital-flight/

Regulators in Hong Kong are increasingly nervous about the accelerating pace of capital outflows from China after the collapse of trade talks, fearing a wave of financial turbulence that could jeopardize the hub’s longstanding dollar peg.

The Hong Kong dollar has fallen to a 33-year low and is testing the limits of the enclave’s currency board regime. The Hong Kong Monetary Authority has been forced to intervene twice over the last week.

Net outflows from China through the Shanghai – Hong Kong pipeline jumped to a four-year high of $1.6bn on Tuesday, the largest one-day exodus since China’s exchange rate crisis in 2015. … read more via hyperlink above ….
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Earlier China related post …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/05/links-15-may-2019/#comment-3347409 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/05/general_debate_15_may_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2490428

China’s empty homes may prove a bigger threat than Donald Trump’s tariffs … Michael Janda … ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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May 15, 2019 9:48pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/05/links-16-may-2019/#comment-3348279

… Essential viewing …

Steve Bannon: ‘No chance’ Trump will back down in China trade war … CNBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/15/steve-bannon-no-chance-trump-is-going-to-back-down-in-the-china-trade-war.html
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