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The oil companies now accept burning fossil fuels is causing global warming and climate change — their own scientists told them decades ago. Dumb-as-dung-beetle climate deniers may need longer…
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May 10, 2019 8:01am
- dave_c_
  
  Fake news alert…Fake news alert. Deplatform this commentator.
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:18am
- Simon
  
  “accept burning fossil fuels is causing global warming and climate change”
  
  “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”
  – Voltaire
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:20am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”
    – Voltaire
    Born: 21 November 1694
    How many times does a man have to be shown to be right, before we actually listen and act.
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:52am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    So (going by the ticks) 32 people think manmade climate change is a hoax and zero people think otherwise?
    
    That might indicate a pretty skewed sample of the New Zealand public.
    
    As we know from his many posts, DPF does think man made climate change is a real thing.
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:06am
    - Ross12
      
      Wayne , do you actually think we should think we should take Dr Who’s comment seriously?
      Gas industry executives happily went along with the theory and even donated money to alarmists organisations because they competed with the coal industry. This has been well known for years. So of course they will pay some scientists to back up their PR.
      Posters on here often have very different opinions to David –just read some of the threads about President Trump. That is what debate is all about.
      I am also sure David often puts out controversial views just to stir up discussion.
      
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      May 10, 2019 11:29am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes.
      I know DPF’s commitment of DPF to liberal values is genuine.
      But I suspect very few people commenting on his site would themselves subscribe to those values of individual rights, limited government, private property, free markets, tolerance, and reason, or would at least interpret those values to mean what they choose them to me.
      That dichotomy between the blog owner’s views and the tenor of many, maybe even most, comments, and the National vs Labour tribalism, are the defining features of Kiwiblog. It’s what makes it such a fascinating playground.
      
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      May 10, 2019 12:24pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I think most of us have views that converge in a few areas and principles (democratic ideals, free speech, egalitarian society, social safety net…) and diverge wildly in other areas. That is a good thing, better understanding and slow optimisation of policy comes through diversity of thought and debate.
        
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        May 10, 2019 1:23pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  If you say it fast enough
  Miss out the facts
  You are correct
  BUT
  While we are virtue signalling and building a very small business to HELP R&D, employing 25 people.
  Ask one simple question.
  What do we do in the mean time?
  R&D takes decades to achieve this kind of large scale replacement of an industry.
  They have closed /closing this (oil and gas) industry TODAY.
  Take a look at the car industry.
  We didn’t stop using horses for 20yrs WAITING for the mass production of cars to come about, hoping it would.
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:22am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Taranaki Solution would be joke if the COL was expected to be running a farce.
    Hydrogen uncombined is almost uncontainable–the small molecules can pass through some metals. In combination we call it hydrocarbons and the chemical energy is then released by burning–familiar?
    
    A commercial development research facility as a sop? How many of those ever yield a significant profit. Is NZ to become energy designer to the world? We have stiff competition including Airbus, US Govt, Mitsubishi… Our present energy sources including wind, solar and PV may be obsolete in 10 years.
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Chinese are light years ahead of us with developing hydrogen-fuel delivery systems.
      https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-23/now-china-wants-to-lead-the-world-in-hydrogen-fuel-cells
      The sensible thing to do would be to wait until they’ve perfected the technology and use it/adapt it for NZ.
      
      Has anyone asked the Greens in NZ where the energy required to split water into Hydrogen & Oxygen is to come from, especially when everyone will be charging up their electric cars at night.
      
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      May 10, 2019 11:15am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Not just some metals, H2 will escape at different rates from any confinement system. Even a 2 metre thick wall of depleted Uranium will leak some though admittedly very little.
      
      Rather than store it as a gas there may be more utility in storing in a weakly bound form. H2 also has the drawback that at certain concentrations in air it can spontaneously ignite. Combine that with its propensity to leak through everything and you can see that there are serious engineering and safety challenges in dealing with H2 in large amounts.
      
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      May 10, 2019 3:34pm
- Inandout
  
  Less breeding means less consumers means less pollution.
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:25am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Soylent Green?
    Logans Run?
    Was hollywood right?
    
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    May 10, 2019 8:34am
    - alloytoo
      
      Based on the novel “Make Room, Make Room” by Harry Harrison.
      
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      May 10, 2019 8:48am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Here in Northland we’re still waiting to go to “The Island”.
        
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        May 10, 2019 9:41am
    - softail 1450
      
      RW Capitalist ,blade runner ,still looking for a smart labour minister in 2050 AD.
      
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      May 10, 2019 12:53pm
  - dave_c_
    
    So does the eugenicist movement ! A large part of the NWO agenda !
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Remember that bloke who used to be first in on the General Debate every day with Climate Change alarmism? I can’t remember his name, but he’s either back, or breeding, it would seem.
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:39am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Was that the mad William of Ockham?
    
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    May 10, 2019 8:48am
    - All_on_Red
      
      William of Ockham aka Dennis Horne
      
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      May 10, 2019 9:12am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Dennis’s skill as a pilot was legendary
        //
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rEDZiwjGlgU
        
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        May 10, 2019 9:27am
      - stephieboy
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        All on Red attempts to hand prop a plane,
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTM-paAXCo
        
        LOL
        
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        May 10, 2019 10:36am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Given your habit in linking to porn sites or videos of strip clubs I think we all know what you do with your hands
        
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        May 10, 2019 10:59am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red,
        
        a Steve Dixon and Pauline Hanson fan?
        
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        May 10, 2019 12:53pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      That’s him! I just couldn’t remember the name. This one doesn’t bang on at quite the same length, but sitting and waiting poised for 8am and the GD thread to go up is the same MO.
      
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      May 10, 2019 10:22am
- kevn
  
  Problem is, this clown circus is getting bolder.
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:20am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I’m surprised by the strength of disagreement with this, even on Kiwiblog. You can prove in a lab that carbon based gases have a heat trapping effect. A larger volume of them in the atmosphere means more heat is retained.
  
  That doesn’t mean taxes and regulations of emissions will lead to anything good. Most likely China and India will emit more and take our market share when we can’t compete due to our added costs. It also doesn’t mean long term temperature predictions are worth anything at all. The margin of error on the IPCC climate models is so massive they essentially tell us nothing.
  
  What we should do is prepare to live in a warmer climate, and look for alternative energy sources because fossil fuels won’t last forever, not because there is any realistic chance of us affecting the earth’s temperature.
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:11am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    No one argues that CO2 doesnt trap heat. It’s the details around saturation and especially in the vertical extent that there is a huge debate on. Further, oceans release CO2 when they heat up, so trying to distinguish between the CO2 cuasing heat, and the CO2 resulting from heating is virtually impossible. CO2 always follows a warming or cooling trend, but this is only recent as there is no correltion of CO2 and temperature for most of the last 500 million years. We are also at one of the lowest levels of CO2 concentration is in the whole earth’s history. Look at Patrick Moores work.
    
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    May 10, 2019 12:35pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    This paper is worth a read even if the Maths is a little complicated.
    
    One pertinent quote:
    
    Apart from the known fundamental errors of the GCMs (the improper handling of the vertical air density structures, see Brooks, 2011, [17]), it is quite a lunatic idea to model the demonstrated chaotic space-time distribution of the water vapor and cloud cover by deterministic climate models using a bunch of primitive equations of motion, hydrodynamics and thermodynamics, while ignoring the stochastic nature of the radiation field, and in fact, of the whole climate system”
    
    http://energiaakademia.lapunk.hu/tarhely/energiaakademia/dokumentumok/201406/miskolczi_greenhouse.pdf
    
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    May 10, 2019 6:25pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Ahh piss off ignoramous
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:12am
- kloyd0306
  
  ….and yet hard data from satellite measurements prove that no warming has taken place for 20 years.
  
  Question: How does taxing mythical global warming help?
  
  We will not be duped by those who have been sucked in to falsehoods promoted by leftist-agenda-driven, green nutcases.
  
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  May 10, 2019 11:45am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    There most definitely has been warming in last 20 years. Just look at global satellite temperature records (UAH, RSS) and global ARGO ocean temperature profiling buoy system.
    
    But despite the shrill bleatings of the merchants of scare the rate of warming and sea level rise just isn’t anywhere near being a problem. ~1.2°C per century for air and 0.15°C per century for oceans. 1-2mm/year sea level rise and lower now than in mid 20th Century. (tidal gauges corrected for subsidence). The warming of last 150 years is same as moving 100km towards equator (eg moving from Auckland to Whangerei). A move most people would volunteer for if jobs/family weren’t a factor. And it’s good for global agriculture.
    
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    May 10, 2019 1:37pm
- Hacked-Off
  
  Actually Dr Who is correct. However, stopping exploration for oil and gas, and without a plan of how to replace this industry as this CoL has done is the height of madness. And in addition we still need these products to make many useful items without which modern life can not do without.
  
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  May 10, 2019 1:54pm
Monique Watson

What a Cock! There is a reason why New Zealand’s farming industry is called Primary Industry. Grows a few nuts, but not his own and thinks he can save the planet:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/112552141/james-and-suzy-cameron-call-for-more-more-plants-and-less-dairy
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May 10, 2019 8:05am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, and will James and Suzy give up flying across the Pacific in order to help save the planet?
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:13am
  - alien
    
    since they imported Mountain Banshee from pandora all their travel is completely carbon neutral
    
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    May 10, 2019 8:46am
  - RightFirstTime
    
    Not bloody likely!
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:36pm
- rangitoto
  
  Vegans plead guilty of child abuse.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7009575/Pictured-toddler-parents-vegan-diet-left-malnourished-weighed-5kg.html
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:33am
  - alien
    
    Means nothing. Just because a vegan feed their child the wrong food. Walk down any no street and look at the abuse parents are doing by making their children obese. There are shit parents on all sides of every debate
    
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    May 10, 2019 8:47am
  - stephieboy
    
    rangitoto,
    
    The real Daily Mail,
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7011819/Lindsey-Vonn-flaunts-figure-bikinis-time-Sports-Illustrated-Swimsuit-issue.html
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:42am
    - rangitoto
      
      We already know what interests you SB. Have they let you back in to St Lukes mall?
      
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      May 10, 2019 11:06am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Moderators
      Why hasn’t this pervert been culled with the rest of the trolls?
      
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      May 10, 2019 11:33am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        If culled, how we know what stupid looks like?
        
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        May 10, 2019 11:54am
    - softail 1450
      
      own goat
      
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      May 10, 2019 12:58pm
- adamsmith1922
  
  You might agree with this
  
  https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2019/05/10/another-deflection/
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:46am
- G152
  
  Makes you wonder why he bought a farm here?
  And what’s he running???
  Sheep Cattle Goats
  Or running about half cocked
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:53am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Cult of the celebrity.
    Just because someone makes a lot of money through their chosen career (in this case story telling through film) – does that make them experts on everything – and that we should take out notice of their views?
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He’s got rid of the dairy component…
    been buying up orchards and organic market gardens in S.Wairarapa.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/67572692/null
    
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    May 10, 2019 11:27am
    - tf78
      
      I hope they don’t need too much water.
      
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      May 10, 2019 2:11pm
- Tricati
  
  What a bunch of hypocrites Labour & the Greens are – They attacked National over allowing James Cameron to buy land here in NZ, and to seek residency, and now parade them in a virtue signalling crusade on climate change.
  Not sure many of those good Taranaki farming folks would be too pleased at being told to grow mung beans in lieu of beef as a ‘primary industry’.
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:30am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It was much the same with Kim Dotcom; they slagged John Key for letting him in, but when he was forming a political party, Clare Curran, Winston Peters and Russel Norman couldn’t get themselves up to Coatesville quickly enough.
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:24am
- MickMac
  
  It’s a good call in one way.
  Diversify…….
  IN addition to what we do now.
  
  Maybe less dairying or dairying that sustains the land it is on and doesn’t pollute the waterways…..
  
  What superfoods or niche market can we grow.
  
  Ohh and then ship it to the paying markets by plane and ship
  
  oops.
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:08am
- cmm
  
  If you really want to see environmental destruction in agriculture, then have a look at the almond industry – providers of milk to the First Family.
  
  Most of the almonds in the world come from California. They need a huge amount of water which needs to be pumped up from boreholes up to 300 metres deep. This requires huge amounts of electricity and causes massive problems (land subsiding etc).
  
  THe pumping causes an average of 11 inches (280mm) of land subsidence a year in some places.
  
  What sane person freaks out about 1 to 2mm sea level rise and thinks 280mm of subsidence is Ok?
  
  Insects do not thrive in the orchards, so millions of bee hives are bred up each year, fed with all sorts of chemicals and muck to keep them alive and are transported across USA to bring them in for pollenation. Heck, bees are even air freighted in from New Zealand.
  
  https://www.motherjones.com/food/2014/07/your-almond-habit-sucking-califoirnia-dry/
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some other wonder foods the luvvies indulge in skew the market for peasant farmers….leaving them unable to afford the high quality protein-rich grains they once subsisted on.
    
    https://nacla.org/news/2018/03/12/quinoa-boom-goes-bust-andes
    
    http://web.colby.edu/st297-global18/2019/01/22/superfoods-dark-side-increasing-vulnerability-of-quinoa-farmers-in-bolivia/
    
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    May 10, 2019 11:35am
SJ Actual

NZTA was supposed to commence a $50m upgrade of SH58 well over a year ago so that the upgrades would be ready for the opening of the adjoining Transmission Gully. The start date was pushed back to spring last year, then January this year. But still nothing has started.
The latest project update on the NZTA website is over 8 months old.

However NZTA has reduced the speed limit from 100 to 80 kh/h recently.

Perhaps reducing speed limits rather than improving roads will be this governments approach to road safety.

Feels like it is only a matter of time until there is a formal announcement that SH58 is joining Melling and Petone – Grenada on the scrap heap.
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May 10, 2019 8:05am
- hullkiwi
  
  Didn’t you get the update? It is all part of Genter’s plan to cut the road toll.
  1. Stop new road building;
  2. Divert money to cycling and walking programmes;
  3. Let existing roads deteriorate;
  4. Promise upgrades only, place safety measures;
  5. Drop speeds on existing roads;
  6. Divert more money to PT;
  7. Drivers get frustrated with roads and switch to PT;
  8. Population gets frustrated because there aren’t transport services going where we need them;
  9. We all move to the city, no need for road transport. So we all walk and cycle.
  
  ….and life is happy in Genter’s Green world….
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:20am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    10. Free horse and cart for EVERYONE
    
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    May 10, 2019 8:36am
    - Local Miller
      
      You can’t have a horse, horse manure produces methane… lol
      Must be free bicycles, and electric bicycles for friends. Politicians get cars.
      
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      May 10, 2019 8:51am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Rickshaws?
        Wait a minute humans produce methane too.
        
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        May 10, 2019 9:10am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        One of the reasons for cars.
        By the 1870s, New Yorkers were taking over 100 million horsecar trips per year and by 1880 there were at least 150,000 horses in the city. Some of these provided transportation for people while others served to move freight from trains into and around the growing metropolis. At a rate of 22 pounds per horse per day, equine manure added up to millions of pounds each day and over a 100,000 tons per year (not to mention around 10 million gallons of urine).
        
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        May 10, 2019 9:12am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Don’t forget the champagne for the socialist politicians. Water straight from the clean babbling brook for everyone else.
        
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        May 10, 2019 9:50am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        But not with Rubber tyres, Need oil for those.
        
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        May 10, 2019 10:13am
      - Komata
        
        LM@0851
        
        But, but Bicycles use steel, which is made from Iron ore which is MINED, while the tyres are made from ‘rubber’ a byproduct of other ‘extractive’ industries, and as for the components of ‘electric’ bicycles…
        
        Very, very selective are these ‘greens’…
        
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        May 10, 2019 1:17pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Please remind them.
        Metallurgical coal – or coking coal – is a vital ingredient in the steel making process. … Steel is an alloy based primarily on iron. As iron occurs only as iron oxides in the earth’s crust, the ores must be converted, or ‘reduced’, using carbon. The primary source of this carbon is coking coal.
        
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        May 10, 2019 1:34pm
    - G152
      
      And who gets to clean all the horse shit up off the town streets?
      Could be an earner for gardeners if that happens
      
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      May 10, 2019 8:55am
    - cmm
      
      Except PETA says the horse rides in the cart and you have to pull it.
      
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      May 10, 2019 10:40am
  - kevn
    
    @hull… JAG the rumble strip promoter?
    
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    May 10, 2019 1:41pm
- Simon
  
  “Perhaps reducing speed limits rather than improving roads will be this governments approach to road safety.”
  
  We will just never know.
  
  In many areas the government is giving up and will just try manage the status quo and the narrative.
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:29am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yes we will know, JAG says NZ’ers will support lower road speeds:
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/new-zealand-will-support-more-appropriate-speed-limits-julie-anne-genter.html
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:53am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Paul Goldsmith almost got an admission out of Twyford yesterday that the coalition has started NO new roading projects, but that around 12 major projects have been put on ice.
  
  Thank goodness Transmission Gully is too far into its construction that it needs to be completed!
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:41am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Make a list
    I’ll start
    Melling interchange in Lower Hutt (Nats promised it, Labour matched the promise)
    Tawa to Hutt link road
    SH 58 (someone else has mentioned that here)
    
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    May 10, 2019 8:49am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Four-laning Warkworth to Whangarei
      Four-laning Chch to Ashburton
      Four-laning Tauranga to Waihi
      Four-laning Levin Bypass
      Four-laning Cambridge to Piarere
      
      What the Nats need to do is put up signs where the four-lane roads end reading: ‘National’s road ends, Labour’s road starts”, with the reverse message in the opposite direction.
      
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      May 10, 2019 9:25am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Tauranga to Waihi is the big one. We stayed a night at Te Puna last year on the way to Auckland, and the traffic on that road in the morning was mindblowing, yet Twyford won’t even go and engage with Todd Muller and Simon Bridges about it.
        
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        May 10, 2019 10:26am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Apirational
        
        Four-lane highway = $30,000 per metre give or take a bit.
        
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        May 10, 2019 10:32am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Iaon Boag, that is not the cost expand a road to 4 lanes, that is nearer the cost (still exaggerated) to build a NEW 4 lane road from bare ground.
        Definition:
        aspiration
        /aspəˈreɪʃ(ə)n/
        noun
        noun: aspiration; plural noun: aspirations
        
        1.
        a hope or ambition of achieving something.
        “the needs and aspirations of the people”
        synonyms: desire, hope, longing, yearning, hankering, urge, wish; More
        aim, ambition, expectation, inclination, objective, goal, target, end, object, dream;
        informalyen, itch
        “the jobs created do not match the aspirations of local residents”
        2.
        Medicine
        the action or process of drawing breath.
        the action of drawing fluid by suction from a vessel or cavity.
        “bathing solutions were changed by careful aspiration”
        3.
        Phonetics
        the action of pronouncing a sound with an exhalation of breath.
        “there is no aspiration if the syllable begins with s”
        NAFFVA =Naturally Aspirating Fuel Fired Vented Appliances).
        So aspirationby definition, looks like a load of HOT AIR.
        
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        May 10, 2019 10:43am
      - Ian Boag
        
        RW .. if not $30m/k then what?
        
        20km of Kapiti Expressway was $600m give or take a bit. Transmission Gully $850m (2014 $) for 27km of road. $6bn is a figure I have heard kicked around for the 200-odd k’s Warkworth to Whangarei.
        
        My use of “aspirational” was #1 from your dictionary dump …..
        
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        May 10, 2019 11:04am
      - rangitoto
        
        Warkworth to Whangarei is about 100km – not 200km.
        
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        May 10, 2019 11:13am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        In the rest of the world new roads are much cheaper, eg in USA:
        
        “$2 million to $3 million per mile in rural areas, about $3 million to $5 million in urban areas. Construct a new 4-lane highway — $4 million to $6 million per mile in rural and suburban areas, $8 million to $10 million per mile in urban areas”
        
        Why is NZ so expensive?
        
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        May 10, 2019 11:18am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Warkworth to Whangarei is, according to google, 100.4 km. So brilliant guess if that’s what it was Rangitoto.
        
        Some sections would require pretty extensive earthworks (Brynderwyns, Dome Valley) but other parts would be easier to compensate. Wonder if it would make sense simply to build a near parallel 2 lane road and then to make each one a one-way road with suitable connecting bits for side road junctions and the like. As I recall in the US quite a few of the freeways seem to have been constructed like that. Saves having to construct a central barrier and also minimises construction holdups on the existing roadway. Would take a bit more land maybe.
        
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        May 10, 2019 3:44pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Ed Snack
        
        Sorry I got that distance wrong 🙁
        
        I guess the main problem with twinning an existing slow/winding road would be that you could end up with two slow/winding roads which would be an improvement, but might not quite be what the four-lane advocates had in mind.
        
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        May 10, 2019 4:05pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ed and Ian
        Looking at what’s going on with Puhoi to Warkworth they are pretty much just carving a straight road of four lanes all the way.
        Massive movement of earth.
        Probably easier than adapting an existing winding road.
        I guess locals will just use the old road when it’s finished.
        Same sort of thing happening as they build the Waikato Expressway- which is great to use.
        Will save heaps of time when they connect all the parts.
        
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        May 10, 2019 4:37pm
  - srylands
    
    Speaking of transmission gully, we have not seen Marquess for a while.
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:05am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Don’t wake the clown up!
      
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      May 10, 2019 10:30am
- adamsmith1922
  
  Yesterday I noted this from Twyford re partisan nonsense over Melling
  
  https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2019/05/09/this-seems-very-wrong-labour-behaving-abominably/
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:49am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    From your link
    Bishop is the Hutt South MP, Twyford has denied the elected MP for Hutt South the opportunity to represent his constituents whilst affording his likely opponent at the 2020 General Election a seat at the table.
    But in “9 long years of National”, I don’t recall Hipkins EVER approaching a minister in a similar vein.
    BUT the Haywards interchange still got built, SH58 got it’s improvements, after a 5 yr moratorium on infrastructure for 2ndary schools in the area, National did the necessary repairs and expanded the schools.
    NOT a single word from Hipkins.
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:20am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      But what would we expect, he was mentored by Paul Swain
      5 yr moratorium on infrastructure for 2ndary schools in the area,
      Was on Swain’s watch, he said nothing.
      
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      May 10, 2019 9:22am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Twitford’s excluding of the elected local MP from the meeting about the Melling interchange was an act of supreme arrogance, something that the current administration excels at.
        It ranks on the same level as National (who started the project) banning anyone from Labour from attending the opening of Transmission Gully.
        
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        May 10, 2019 1:22pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        captain…
        Not the same at all
        Banning someone from a meeting to PLAN the construction compared to stopping them from attending the party to cut the ribbon.
        
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        May 10, 2019 1:37pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  “Perhaps reducing speed limits rather than improving roads will be this governments approach to road safety.”
  Q: If it takes a truck about 10hr to get from Auckland to Wgtn. now. How long will it take when you lower the speed limit?
  Q: How many extra trucks on the road?
  Q: How much extra will be paying, in goods and services, because of the extra travel time>
  Q: Is this an attempt to FORCE goods onto trains?
  Q: Considering trains are slower and more expensive than trucks, how much extra RUC will they charge to subsidize this?
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:39am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Trains are cheaper if they go where you want the load to go. If your load is headed to, say, a Port served by rail and you have a rail siding and the delivery isn’t time sensitive then it will almost always cost less to rail the load. Often quite a bit cheaper.
    
    However if the train doesn’t deliver direct, the transshipment costs will often eat up all the rail savings and more.
    
    Summary, trains are cheap for specific tasks and loads, but not for general ones.
    
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    May 10, 2019 3:48pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Not true
      I have spoken to many companies, some with their own rail head.
      1. It take s days to load and assemble a train
      2. It takes days to disassemble.
      3. To load all the cars on a train, takes days
      4. To unload can take day
      5. The trip takes longer than by truck
      6. If you have to cross the Strait, well just forget it.
      
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      May 10, 2019 3:58pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Well, not Very well organised then are they. We load a container on a rail car, push it outside, and it gets taken same day by one of up to 3 trains that pass our rail siding. It arrives same day to the port.
        
        Urgent stuff that travels further to a different port goes by truck as the rail journey to that point would take too long.
        
        Like I said, works for certain loads. We can easily load a container in an hour or so and get it set up for collection – 20 or 40 footer. We don’t have to assemble a whole train but typically ship 1-3 containers a time that join and existing service.
        
        Also works for large scale raw materials freight where they can load a whole train in a few hours and go to port, say. So Iron Ore and Coal rely heavily on trains.
        
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        May 10, 2019 7:06pm
- Sacha
  
  If we only needed roads to keep people safe, we wouldn’t need any. Roads have a function, namely to enable efficient movement of goods and people as they go about keeping the country functional.
  Safety is the responsibility of the road users, and we should not make too much fuss about the people who chose to ignore this.
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:10am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Is it OK to make a fuss about the people that get killed when hit by a truck driver who falls asleep?
    
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    May 10, 2019 11:13am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    You write that roads are there to enable goods and people to move.
    In my area roads are there to provide employment to road repair gangs.
    
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    May 10, 2019 3:42pm
hullkiwi

Despite wanting to be the “teaching industry’s” friend. It seems Hipkins is failing with the Head of the Primary Principals Assoc. giving up teaching at the end of the term.

Listening to Hipkins he was at pains to point out that the current pay offer was bigger than those of the last government. Clearly, maths was not Hipkins strong point. It is almost needless to point out that it is a matter of maths that each successive pay round will end up with a bigger number than the previous settlement.
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May 10, 2019 8:11am
- MickMac
  
  it’s the working environment that needs tweaking too!
  
  Teaching assistant (in training swap out) in every class.
  Special schools properly staffed and resourced or designated school in Cluster with same.
  
  Failing this lessen the admin load. or both…..
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:12am
Yvette

Israel Folau suggested a list of eight sinners who could consider repenting to save themselves, along with some Tasmanian’s altering their gender on their birth certificates.
It actually was the media who cherry-picked out “homosexuals” from the list, as clickbait for their readers.
Who then, precisely, is being homophobic?

And so what does it, in turn, mean the media perceive their readers to to be?
Or is no one really being homophobic and it is just simple schadenfreude – “watching or reading about bad shit happening to other people”
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May 10, 2019 8:16am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Saw that guy from USA (Samoan heritage), forget his name, on the TV the other night.
  Looking to create some sort of Rugby competition in the Islands.
  If he does and the Australian, NZ,UK rugby unions continue to act against the religious beliefs of these players.
  They could find themselves in big trouble.
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:01am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh, goody a religiously based rugby competition. Could the Marist rugby clubs join too?
    I think it would be good for sports clubs based on religion to be allowed to develop separately from secular sports clubs.
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:21am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      What would the NZRFU do without the players from Fiji, Tonga, Samoa?
      
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      May 10, 2019 10:49am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You think players in the Pacific are on the cusp of setting up a separate, unpaid or underpaid, competition so that they can indulge in gratuitous abuse of people on Twitter?
        And do you think many New Zealand players with Pacific heritage will similarly leave this country for relative poverty for the sake of bigotry?
        
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        May 10, 2019 12:30pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Mike…who said unpaid
        The discussion on the TV was about him looking at securing funding.
        
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        May 10, 2019 1:39pm
    - graham
      
      I think it would be good for sports clubs based on religion to be allowed to develop separately from secular sports clubs.
      
      I know there’s an implicit “sarc – /sarc” around that sentence, and I gotta say you’re quite correct, mikenmildagain. After all, who on earth would ever countenance a separate sports club, organisation, or event based on something like religion? It would be almost as silly as having separate clubs and events and awards based on, say, race.
      
      *** cough *** Maori All Blacks, the Aotearoa Maori Tennis Association, the Maori Sports Awards, the Aotearoa Maori Surfing Titles, Maori Basketball, NZ Maori Golf, Maori Netball … *** cough *** *** cough ***
      
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      May 10, 2019 1:00pm
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        When I am reincarnated I want to come back as a left handed female Maori lawyer so that I can play in every golf tournament there is.
        
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        May 10, 2019 3:46pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Only ‘almost as silly’?
        
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        May 10, 2019 4:25pm
- howitis
  
  I spoke with my brother in Oz last night.
  Totally different reaction to the Israel Folau saga there than here.
  There are people in the media in OZ defending him. Not so here.
  
  Here it is media driven Hate Speech to a guy who quoted the bible; the thing people swear on in court to tell the truth. Ok Then.
  Homos were only one of eight categories he called out in a direct bible quote.
  In addition Australia had the Gay marriage saga/referendum 2 years ago that dragged on for over six months and polarised things as people debated it. This is still raw in some sectors.
  Think in NZ terms of the ‘change the flag’ debate then add in the much more emotional side of sexuality and a stronger religious power cabals than in NZ.
  
  We never had that exposure in NZ of gay marriage. It was passed quickly late one evening.
  Like a sticking plaster. Quick as bro.
  John Key voted Against civil union but For gay marriage. I would have done the opposite but that was never an option for us great unwashed.
  In Australia it was. And it created divisions only two years ago that play out today.
  
  There is a much stronger Christian element in AU and it is much more aware of the imposition of Islam than is underscored here.
  There are people like Alan Jones with a platform who is very vocal and was previously the Australian rugby coach.
  Another Alan, Alan Joyce, the homo head of Qantas, has been pushing ARU hard with the threat of his companies money (not his own) to push his own homosexual agenda.
  What A. Joyce has done is basically reinforce the old stereotype that homos are weak, effeminate, tight pant wearers, who get upset and cry easily. Sticks and stones and all that.
  This is a gross injustice to homosexuals many of whom act like normal people not like sooky cry-babies as A. Joyce has done.
  If he is an atheist or agnostic what does it matter when Folau quotes the bible?
  
  The other perspective is that Rugby is the number 5 sport in AU so struggles to get headline space. Now it is getting it in spades for the wrong (depends on your view) reason.
  I guess there may be readers here who live in Australia who see it differently.
  
  My brother has kids at college so with all their sports and events and as the hearing was in the weekend he talked to other parents. There appears to be a high level of support for Folau with the right to free speech even among agnostics, atheists or simply lapsed followers.
  
  In conclusion.
  I think Folau has been treated excessively badly but was a bit of a dick for posting the bible quote nonetheless.
  Not enough of a dick to lose his job.
  I despise the media every day so this throws more grist to the mill.
  The picking on Maria Folau, who has said nothing, correctly stands by her husband, but media filth reporting her movements, is appalling.
  
  NZ Media filth chant : Heterosexual marriage bad (unless the PriNZess) . Homosexual marriage good. They may as well chant about 2 legs bad; 4 legs good. Barnyard animals are still bedda than media filth.
  
  Rugby league in AU keeps its rapists and sexual assaulters with only its first firm stand finally this year against Ben Barba. Google or DuckDuckGo ‘rugby league player assaults wife’.
  Then ask if the Folau reaction is over the top.
  Folau may not have his ARU job next year but then again Raelene Castle may not as well.
  
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  May 10, 2019 2:52pm
Gravelroad

Hey, all you tall, white men out there:
Stuff running a story about children seeing new bogey man outside a Palmerston North church.
They reported observing a “white, more than six-feet tall man” putting anti Muslim pamphlets on cars.
Would it have been less note worthy and scary if the man had been of a different ethnicity and short?
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May 10, 2019 8:17am
- Inandout
  
  Oh gosh, did he have a stolen firearm taken from the police station?
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:27am
- alloytoo
  
  Was he blonde with “aryan” features?
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:51am
- The King
  
  I saw a Dunedin Mosque posting anti-Western videos on facebook once, found the link in a manifesto, who do i call?
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    MuzzBusters………
    
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    May 10, 2019 1:28pm
Happychappy

What is the Messiah and the Labour Party paying Three and wannabe Journalist Tova O’Brien to keep the vicious assaults from Jamie Lee Ross and unproven innuendo on Simon Bridge’s character in the news.
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May 10, 2019 8:18am
- alloytoo
  
  Well a distraction was needed from Kiwibuild, and the Police minister’s lying, and the bias of the speaker……and it’s Friday.
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why are you lying about politicians ‘paying’ a journalist?
  
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  May 10, 2019 12:32pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Can you prove they aren’t?
    
    Can tova proved Simon Bridges did receive a gift?
    
    Since when have the idiots of the left, you know who you are, needed proof?
    
    Innuendo but with inchewishin is more than enough isn’t it?
    
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    May 10, 2019 1:30pm
Surely Knott

Why wasn’t it reported whether James Shaw smokes marijuana? All other party leaders were asked to give their views. It’s a controversial question that can affect peoples vote – which is why Winston and Jacinda had such dodgy answers. So why should James Shaw whose leading the party that wants to change the law not have his smoking history on record. And no Marama Davidson answering the question doesn’t count. They are both the leader and it’s their bill. They shouldn’t be able to have their co-leadership idea used to present a differentiated image to different audiences. – metro greens and activist greens. It’s as dishonest as politicians who use facebook ads to present very different ads to different audiences. The media should do their job without bias: Metro greens leader Shaw, should answer the question also. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12228749
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May 10, 2019 8:21am
- Simon
  
  “Why wasn’t it reported whether James Shaw smokes marijuana?”
  
  MSM promoted the Greens enough with the junkie vote. Dont want to over egg the puddling with conservative South Auckland polynesian Labo vote.
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:36am
- Chuck Bird
  
  It is not relevant if an MP smoked marijuana year ago before the become an MP. The question that should be asked to all of them is if the had smoked marijuana or taken any illegal drugs since becoming an MP.
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:28am
- MickMac
  
  don’t vote Green please – they are Watermelons.
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:13am
Maggie Pie

We were watching Police 10/7 last nite. Two Pakeha police officers get a call from comms “to attend an incident of a naked man hanging around the women’s toilets at Point England”. They acknowledge the message as you would expect and head to the location.. The question my partner raised was, “Why is it when they locate the suspect, both of the cops start speaking to him using faux Maori accents?”
It all sounded a tad condescending.
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May 10, 2019 8:22am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Overhang from the silent T school of electioneering.
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:36am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Maybe they felt they could get away with it in the poor lighting conditions.
  Or maybe it’s part of the Police’s “Sensitivity Training”? (Who knows…)
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s gonna be funny watching if they apprehend someone with a severe listhp……
    
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    May 10, 2019 1:31pm
Rob2

What Hipkins doesn’t bother to understand is that most teachers are not that bothered by money(apart from the unionists), but are more interested in classroom help.
They are working their arses off and need class room assistants who can do stuff for them.
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May 10, 2019 8:22am
- septic skeptic
  
  Maybe the reason there are too few teachers is that people are scared of the massive workloads compared to other professions. I’m sure many would like to be teachers but choose to go down the Junior Doctor route to limit their workload to around 80 or 90 hours a week!
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:41am
  - G152
    
    And don’t forget the possibility of a sexual offense accusation from some little dear.
    Computorise classrooms.
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:00am
    - greybeard
      
      Or instal CCTV cameras.
      
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      May 10, 2019 2:52pm
  - MickMac
    
    80-90 hrs a week was yesterday, they are fighting to keep it 40-50hrs….
    
    My sources say some runs don’t do enough work load to justify a pass in it.
    They’d have to push out the training period from 4 yrs to 6 if 40hrs is to be the norm.
    
    You need to do enough of a sub speciality to get a handle on it…..
    
    Plus “handing over” is not a priority for this generation…..
    Not good for patients and nurses.
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:16am
  - alien
    
    I think one of the problems we still face with too few male Teachers is the witch hunt against male teachers that took part under the Clark government
    
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    May 10, 2019 12:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m not sure how you separate the ‘unionists’ out from other teachers when you make your presumptions. As voluntary organisations with high membership numbers, the PPTA and NZEI represent the concerns of most teachers totheir employers, the government.
  As an interested observer, it seems to me that teachers want better pay and better working conditions.
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:29am
  - alien
    
    I have a friend who was a teacher in the states, she quit solely because of the unions and how they have ruined the American education system, she continues to say the same is happening in nz that she saw happening in the USA
    
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    May 10, 2019 12:28pm
- MickMac
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:14am
- Tall Man
  
  Some are, some aren’t.
  
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  May 10, 2019 1:32pm
RW Capitalist

MPI managed like a dogs breakfast.
Don’t remember this under the 9 long years of National (9 long yrs of success on almost every subject)
Mico Plasma Bovis eradication?…hows that coming?
Another promise broken?
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May 10, 2019 8:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  That’s the kind of fauz correlation DPF likes to do: “Nine years of Labour saw x; nine years of National saw y”.
  These organisations regualrly stuff up irrespective of who are the temporary ministers in charge. But in the case of our primary industries, I suspect there might be some correlation between MPI’s invention as an economic development agency to pursue the ‘business growth agenda’ and successive massive failures in the biosecurity functions.
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:33am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Twaddle!
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:51am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Why do you think MPI was ordered to pay $450 million in compensation to the kiwfruit growers? Or was that twaddle?
      
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      May 10, 2019 12:33pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        The difference was the response by the govt.
        Myrtle rust and MPB were ACCIDENTALLY bought into NZ.
        National did not promise eradication, at great expense to the tax payer and farmer. They helped manage it. Farmers I believe, have moved to a strain of kiwifruit, more resistant to myrtle rust.
        Labour PROMISED MPB eradication, at any expense (mostly to farmers) and culling of a very large % of the national herd.
        and have F A I L E D.
        Similar promises made on many things (eg Pike River) all failures.
        
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        May 10, 2019 2:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That’s no difference, then.
        
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        May 10, 2019 4:29pm
- Tricati
  
  How’s the reimbursement of the farmers for the stock culled going. Its no wonder there is a mental health issue within some farming areas, but we need to keep the support for the new drug laws as getting stoned is a mental illness.
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:10am
All_on_Red

So two Polls out today from Wall St Journal and CNN show Approval of how Trump is handling the economy were 51% and 56% respectively.
Pollster Frank Luntz made the comment “are you better off than you were 4 years ago? People will vote for somebody they don’t like if they think it’s good for them”
I wonder is the opposite will be true here in NZ.
Ardern is likeable but will people vote for her if they are worse off?
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May 10, 2019 8:37am
- brett68
  
  The media will tell people they are better off.
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:40am
- Gravelroad
  
  “Will people still vote for her (Ardern) if they are worse off?
  Yes many will – especially women for whom Ms Ardern can do no wrong. “She’s a breath of fresh air, and we trust her. It will take time for her to right all societal wrongs- can’t be done overnight”.
  Hanging out for the well-being budget from which kindness and fairness will shine out as a beacon of hope etc etc.
  Even National is coming round to the Jacinda way. After all, they seldom disagree with her policies, eh?
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:54am
  - brett68
    
    Only another woman can criticise a woman otherwise it’s sexism and men putting down women, bit like only Maori can criticise Maori.
    
    That’s why having Bridges as leader was such a poor choice and will be why National loses in 2020.
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:10am
  - Happychappy
    
    Just like many on here will vote for the Messiah and then blame others for their own Stupidity.
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:07am
- Scott
  
  Pres Trump is doing very well. Unemployment is at its lowest point for nearly 50 years, black unemployment and Hispanic unemployment are at their lowest levels ever recorded. The economy is booming and there are more jobs than ever before.
  
  What has the opposition got? They are still trying to cause outrage about the Meuller report! They are actively persecuting Atty Gen William Barr by trying to make him testify to Congress and want to use lawyer attack dogs to question him rather than doing it themselves. They are also wanting the unredacted Meuller report to be released, even though it can’t be legally released as it contains grand jury information.
  
  Basically the Democrats are in a continual state of outrage. The fact of the matter is that they have never accepted the result of the 2016 election and they have no interest in working with the President of the United States to actually get things done and improve the lives of the American people.
  
  One can only hope the president Trump will prevail in 2020 and the people will also elect a sensible Congress that wants to keep the economy going and implement sensible immigration policy.
  
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/democrats-cry-foul-on-mueller-report.php
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:55am
  - Fletch
    
    Yup, and guess how much of the Mueller report is redacted, that they can’t see? Two full lines, and seven partial lines, two of which are in footnotes. That’s it!
    
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/mueller-report-volume-ii-available-top-congressional-democrats/
    
    One of the Dems who was on TV let slip the real reason why they want the report. I can’t find the link now, but he said something like, “we can’t impeach Trump until we have the report”. That’s the only reason they’re after it.
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:13am
    - Ross12
      
      Now you have this coming out from John Solomon ( when will he get a Pulitzer?)
      
      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/lock-them-up-mueller-comey-rosenstein-weissmann-fbi-doj-used-steele-dossier-from-2016-to-2019-knowing-it-was-bogus-report-filled-with-lies/
      
      So Rosenstein and Mueller among others knew the Steele dossier was bogus 10 days before they applied for a FISA warrant for Page.
      So who appoints who to be Special Counsel a few years later? When Trump called the DC bureaucracy a swamp during the campaign I thought he was going over the top a bit, for effect.
      It looks like he was being kind and a stronger word was warranted.
      
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      May 10, 2019 11:46am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “Ardern is likeable but will people vote for her if they are worse off?”
  couple of points
  1. What do you mean….if?
  2. What’s to like about a fake PM, can we have a REAL one please.
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:05am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I take your point but there’s no denying the Polls showing her as being popular.
    Most aren’t invested in politics like you and I so don’t look at the detail exposing her woeful performance- yet…
    
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    May 10, 2019 11:05am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Polls conducted in wake of christchurch massacre. Govts/Leaders always get a big boost in times of martial crisis. Just wait a few months and things will tip back.
      
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      May 10, 2019 11:24am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      When NZ starts to look like the midwest USA under Obama.
      Picture it
      Come out and sit on your porch in the morning, nowhere to go (unemployed).
      Only to be looking at everyone in your street doing the same thing.
      With this CoL…coming to a town near you.
      Not happening now, under Trump, people are going to work.
      
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      May 10, 2019 12:03pm
    - Paulus
      
      Ardern only has one seat given to her by Helen C as she could not win a seat by herself.
      
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      May 10, 2019 1:38pm
      - sooty
        
        Then Andrew Little gifted her the Labour leader!
        
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        May 10, 2019 3:28pm
      - sooty
        
        Then Whinney gifted her the job of PM!
        
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        May 10, 2019 3:29pm
secondcumming

The pommie sense of humor has certainly become a thing of the past!

The Daily Mail reports that well known BBC host Danny Baker has been sacked, after they deemed his tweet about the Royal Baby to be ‘offensive’.

Bring back *Pete & Dud* 😎

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12229529
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May 10, 2019 8:39am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Yes, because no reasonable person could possibly think equating a partially black child with a chimpanzee could remotely be at all derogatory
  
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  May 10, 2019 8:48am
  - The King
    
    Yes, he’s a gorgeous chimp.
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:13am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I see he claims to use the same photo all the time…
    He will have his supporters – those who think racism has to include specific derogatory words. Even then, some numpties will be yodelling “free speech!”
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:18am
  - Prince
    
    It’s a cartoon.
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:21am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    There is no guilty mind here, he obviously hadn’t thought of that connotation, because if he had he would have realised it would see him fired – just as for Roseanne a year back when she made an almost identical mistake. He’s therefore quite obviously not a ‘racist’. But the pitchfork wielding SJWs outrage mob have a thirst for blood and so even the innocent must be slaughtered.
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:52am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Only Republican Presidents are allowed to be portrayed as apes. Everyone knows that.
    
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    May 10, 2019 9:59am
    - godruelf
      
      Wasn’t there also a national MP also compared to an ape in the house last week by no less than the Speaker so that must be ok too.
      
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      May 10, 2019 11:21am
  - Evadne
    
    But who ever thought there could be a link made between a chimpanzee and black people? And what does it say about them?
    
    It wouldn’t vaguely occur at all to truly non-racist people. Their first thought would be something along the lines of “performing circus” – tricking something out to entertain the masses, a la chimp tea parties, and those silly memes with chimps wearing crowns and dresses that pull fun at the queen.
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:12am
- Straight arrow
  
  Baker has stated he knew monkey trope is racist.
  Stated he didn’t know which royal baby he was tweeting about, but retweeted 3 days earlier about possible names for Harry’s baby.
  Stated he is not a royal follower – seriously, he missed the news? And he is a broadcaster.
  Said he “Would have used same stupid pic for any other Royal birth or Boris Johnson kid or even one of my own. It’s a funny image. (Though not of course in that context.) Enormous mistake, for sure. Grotesque. Anyway, here’s to ya Archie, Sorry mate.”, but also said “My go-to photo when any posh people have a baby is this absurd chimpanzee in a top hat leaving the hospital.” Could not find evidence he HAD used it before, but he should of realised it would be seen as racist.
  “Joke” was commentary about circus animals and posh people – I don’t get it myself.
  Calling a black person a monkey is a big deal in US and Europe. It is a deliberately offensive term used by racists as a taunt, especially at sports events. It is not PC “I’m offended” nonsense.
  Finally, ignoring the above, how would you feel if your child was equated with a monkey?
  
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  May 10, 2019 12:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    To be fair [] … ….
    
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    May 10, 2019 1:38pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    that’s the price of being massively paid by the Duchy of Cornwall to do fuck-all – they are public entertainers and fair game. They can opt out if they choose.
    
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    May 10, 2019 1:46pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sure. And broadcasters can sack their presenters for racist abuse.
      
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      May 10, 2019 4:32pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Well, all babies tend to look a little like monkeys/apes when very young. Mine did, is that racist because they have Maori blood ?
    
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    May 10, 2019 4:45pm
Humble Capitalist

Good morning fellow KBers. How is everything looking in your commune-adee this morning?

Hospo business very quiet in Wellington these last three weeks. So not so well in my commune-adee!
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May 10, 2019 8:46am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You shouldn’t mock Simon Bridges’s Kiwi accent like that. He’s just fine.
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:18am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Im glad for you that you think Simon is fine Mike.
    
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    May 10, 2019 12:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    He is just fine eh mikey?
    
    He’ll be chuffed with that vote of confidence and effusive praise from a looney lefty.
    
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    May 10, 2019 1:39pm
Prince

The Age of Outrage tightens its grip.
Singapore to enact a law enabling the Government to determine what is ‘fake news’, and censor it.
NZ to enact ‘hate speech’ law and lead worldwide effort to control social media.
Australia shuts down random sportsman expressing what was commonplace view 50 years ago.

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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May 10, 2019 8:54am
- The King
  
  And then for no reason at all they elected Hitler.
  
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  May 10, 2019 9:11am
- Sacha
  
  The Outraged seem to think that the rest of us need to know that they ARE outraged.
  And thereby publicise their opinions.
  Me, I’m more incline to shrug my shoulders “So?” and dismiss.
  Even my old Mum, who would have been 118 in February, and was a staunch Presbyterian of Scottish stock, had no criticism of homosexuals, but sternly warned me as a little girl about men (not Dad). who ‘touched’ unnecessarily and were too friendly. They were the evil ones. Evil!
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:32am
MCos

Thailand had a General Election a few weeks ago and the results have not yet been declared by the Election Commission.
They have an MMP system similar to here with electrate seats plus a list, but this is where it gets confusing.
According to the constitution a required number of votes are needed to get a list seat and initial calculations seemed to show that against all predictions and restrictions on campaigning by the junta a coalition of anti junta parties had won by a narrow margin.
No problem.
The EC, from what I understand, has lowered the threshold so that eleven more pro junta parties now have a single seat each. The appropriate court has upheld their decision.
Unlike here the PM is voted on by the combined parliament & Senate, which was entirely appointed by the previous junta. So no matter who the government is the PM will be Prayuth, who, as head of the Army overthrew the last elected government.
Incidentally. He said at the time he said he didn’t want to hang around.
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May 10, 2019 8:59am
- marcw
  
  I do like the idea that to be elected as a list member, they must stand in an electorate and get (say) 10% of the vote recorded by the electorate winner. If you can’t achieve that low bar, they have no business being in Parliament.
  
  What we have at present means useless and unwanted Electorate MP’s come back on a list seat, and total numpties (we all know who I mean) get to occupy a position, influence, publicity and income way above their competence level.
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:10am
  - MCos
    
    There are plenty of electoral seats that are so safe they could also be won by total non entities. Back in the days of FPP there were plenty such cases.
    The important thing is to have enough talent at the top both to run the country and provide an alternative. The last ten years we probably have the most lacklustre parliaments we’ve had for awhile, glossed over by two charismatic leaders.
    
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    May 10, 2019 11:17am
calendar girl

Below is the able-to-be-read opening part of a Matthew Hooton item in today’s online “NZ Herald”:

By: Matthew Hooton
matthew.hooton@exceltium.com

COMMENT:

While National languishes, Jacinda Ardern’s Government is now cemented as the seventh term of the Clark-Key regime.

Grumbles are growing on the extreme left, but if there is nothing to excite the left, that means there’s even less to agitate the right. Half-way through their first term, there is much less about Ardern, Winston Peters, Grant Robertson and even the Greens to concern business than feared.

The remainder of the Hooton opinion piece is faded out and illegible because it is part of the Herald’s so-called “Premium” content for which a reader must now pay $2.50 per week to have access (rising to $5.00 p.w. after the first 8 weeks.)

Who is going to pay real money, on a continuing basis, for the likes of this kind of personal musing? Such are the decisions today of a once-proud news organ of the type that the world has largely passed by.
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May 10, 2019 9:05am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  this article?
  https://theworldnews.net/nz-news/hooton-what-s-not-to-like-about-the-ardern-regime
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:18am
  - calendar girl
    
    Apparently so – the first couple of paragraphs are the same (i.e. the ones that I could read online).
    
    I won’t be subscribing, personally, for what the “Herald” elects to define – with no hint of modesty – as its “Premium” content.
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:54am
- stephieboy
  
  Regime.
  
  regime | reɪˈʒiːm |
  noun
  1 a government, especially an authoritarian one: ideological opponents of the regime
  
  ????
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:30am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Exactly.
    
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    May 10, 2019 11:53am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Only seven terms? I should have thought New Zealand government has followed a basically consensual and consistent path of mainstream social democratic polcies for about 80 years so far.
  
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  May 10, 2019 12:38pm
brett68

Has there been any mention in the media (apart from behind the NZ herald paywall) that NZ is now back to around record levels of immigration?

When National was in power that and stories of homelessness seemed to be the main filler on most news websites.
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May 10, 2019 9:05am
The King

Nobody talking about the LGBT supremacist shooting i see, these extremists have started shooting up schools and it will only get worse. David is quick to point out White Supremacists time to talk about your own buddy.
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May 10, 2019 9:10am
- rightoverlabour
  
  LGBT
  Liquor, Guns, Bacon and Tits
  
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  May 10, 2019 11:53am
Happychappy

Finally one of the News Media have come questioning whether Phil Twyford can survive after his handling of the housing crisis.https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-bulletin/10-05-2019/the-bulletin-will-phil-twyfords-career-survive-kiwibuild/?amp
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May 10, 2019 9:15am
- MickMac
  
  all being fair to Twyfoird, he was set up to fail.
  It was never going to work!
  
  Setting up a factory in Hamilton would take a year and another year to get up to speed.
  
  Plus the regional teams for HNZ to sight the land, aquire it, planning permission, prep the sites and get the building teams online with their apprentices..
  
  so at least 3yrs to get going.
  
  The real question is who set the target.
  They need sacking.
  I suspect that is Jacinda….
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:21am
  - Rob2
    
    No he wasn’t. He created the situation and had no idea at all what to do.
    He’s an arse.
    Fire the prick before he wastes more of our money.
    
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    May 10, 2019 12:35pm
    - sooty
      
      Tyford was oppersition housing spokesman for 6yrs. He should have been able to hit the ground running and not in circles like he has been!
      
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      May 10, 2019 3:36pm
Maggie Pie

Ever since i joined Instagram, it sounds from what people are saying about me that i may have alredy become a bit of a ‘social media influencer’ . Theres another girl from China who i follow thats built a huge Youtube following as a ‘live food vlogger’. You can check her channel out here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGtd7DW-Y50
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May 10, 2019 9:16am
Monique Watson

Methane targets are achievable: Damien O’Connor.

Okay. Not within my lifetime.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/112558295/methane-targets-are-achievable-damien-oconnor
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May 10, 2019 9:30am
- MickMac
  
  I’m sorry I’ve lost respect for the man.
  What a stupid comment.
  
  He doesn’t give the cost to NZ…
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:23am
Happychappy

At last a former MP with balls to call Mallard out for what he is, saying Mallard revels in being a bully and will bring Parliament in to disrepute if he keeps his bias up.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12229561
What will the media say about this and will they change their bias reporting.
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May 10, 2019 10:01am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Even then, some unnamed Herald reporter manages to twist the facts by saying this:
  
  The departing Smith shouted abuse at Mallard, prompting the Speaker to order him back in to face a naming motion.
  
  Smith didn’t abuse Mallard. The comment he made, “Soft on drugs like the Government.” as recorded by Hansard, was a direct response to Mallard refusing to allow Smith to seek leave to introduce a Bill on roadside drug testing.
  
  Kudos to Dunne for speaking up, although as a former MP he has more freedom than current MP’s. He’s right though; Mallard’s behaviour has become partisan, and a contradiction to the role of the Speaker as described by Parliament’s website in a piece dated 7 November 2017, i.e. AFTER Mallard assumed the role:
  
  The Speaker must not show either preference or disrespect for any political party, for the Government, or the Opposition. All members of the House must be treated equally.
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/visit-and-learn/how-parliament-works/office-of-the-speaker/role-history-of-the-speaker/role-election-of-the-speaker/
  
  Comparing MP’s to primates, and accusing them of making noises or uttering comments that no one else has apparently heard; judge Mallard’s performance for yourself.
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:38am
  - alien
    
    if You listen to that full question you can hear the supposed barnyard noise, my feeling when listening to it was it came from brownlee
    
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    May 10, 2019 12:39pm
    - alien
      
      Here we go at 3.57
      
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=206256
      
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      May 10, 2019 12:51pm
      - oob
        
        That is a drawn out “Oh” from someone, you lying cumjuggler.
        
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        May 10, 2019 2:16pm
      - Alien
        
        And if you listen carefully that is what the speaker claimed was a barnyard noise, and I said supposed, so no I’m not lying, pointing out what the speaker claimed.
        
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        May 10, 2019 3:45pm
      - Alien
        
        It really is sad that people can’t discuss something without being vulgar and including personal attacks, but alas that speaks more of you than anything. And sadly is a bad reflection on our society
        
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        May 10, 2019 8:54pm
Prince

You have to admire the Government propaganda machine.
Radio News this morning saying ‘Jacinda Ardern brought her A Team and her wallet to Taranaki’.

Did Ardern spend one cent of her own money ?
The belief that touring the country doling out taxpayer funds is the PM being ‘generous’ with her own money is laughable.
This is news for the kiddies.
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May 10, 2019 10:12am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Just who do you think would believe that this expenditure is the PM’s personal cash?
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:24am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Jacinda Ardern
    Grant Roberson
    Kelvin Davis
    to name but 3
    
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    May 10, 2019 10:56am
  - Prince
    
    Apparently the Newstalk ZB news team. Lead item, direct quote…
    ‘Jacinda Ardern brought her A Team and her wallet to Taranaki’
    
    I know, unbelievably naive, but I guess that passes for journalism now.
    
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    May 10, 2019 12:33pm
    - tf78
      
      And where did Jacinda get the money to put in her wallet again?
      
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      May 10, 2019 2:17pm
  - Garbageman
    
    If you are dumb enough to vote for Ms Womans Weekly & her merry band of incompetent loons then i could quite easy believe there are those dumb enough to believe that, cmon didn’t you hear she paid for someone’s groceries complete with cameras on standby (what a coincidence eh) that was good for a few Yay Jacinda articles for the gullible sheep
    
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    May 10, 2019 2:13pm
graham

Wow. Peter Dunne doesn’t hold back, labelling Trevor Mallard as a bully, and pointing out that at this rate he is likely to achieve the dubious “honour” of being remembered as the Speaker who brought Parliament into disrepute.

He likens Nick Smith’s punishment to the serial parking offender who wrote an abusive letter to the local council being sent to jail for 10 years, “completely over the top and out of all proportion to reality.”

Dunne also picks up on what we all know – that Mallard is acting as Jacinda’s protector.

“Faced with a new government and a totally inexperienced Prime Minister he seems to have taken on the role of her protector in the cut and thrust of Parliamentary debate, Question Time in particular.

“While his paternalistic approach towards the Prime Minister may be understandable in the circumstances, it is, at the same time, not only utterly patronising, but, worse, it is completely inappropriate and totally compromising of the presumed impartiality of the Speaker.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12229561
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May 10, 2019 10:18am
- Swifty
  
  And this speaks volumes about the poor character of the people making up Labour’s cabinet and wider caucus.
  
  After all, they put him there and are clearly happy with his behaviour – otherwise one would presume they would have reined him in and long before now.
  
  It appears they are most content to screw the parliamentary scrum, abandoning long-held traditions and conventions in New Zealand designed to achieve a level political playing-field, in order to secure themselves naked political advantage.
  
  This is the sort of thing overseas we read about here, chuckle, and say to ourselves ‘Oh, would never happen here….’
  
  Quite disgraceful when you think about it.
  
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  May 10, 2019 12:22pm
calendar girl

A comment that I made above at 9.05am was “awaiting moderation” for about one hour and 15 minutes. I was unable to see anything particularly contentious in the comment, but I accept that that’s for the moderators to determine.

Meanwhile, during that ‘waiting time’ I could not access any comments from other people that were posted after 9.05 am (other than 3 short responses to earlier comments that had preceded mine at 9.05am). I simply cannot understand why, with a comment of mine under moderation, I could not actually view the thread’s post-9:05am contributions until around 10.20am.
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May 10, 2019 10:27am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Try making one about 4pm…..3 hrs to moderate.
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:57am
- alien
  
  it Would sound more like either an issue with the blog or at your end
  
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  May 10, 2019 12:53pm
Maggie Pie

This would have to be the most anti-Islamic thing i have ever seen.
A gay bacon sandwich!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5uJ4AvXkAEfRj2?format=jpg&name=large
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May 10, 2019 10:34am
- Fletch
  
  I remember a few years back, some ammunition supplier was supposedly making bullets that contained bacon because of the fear that Muslims had that if they were contaminated with bacon then they would not be able to enter Mecca.
  
  https://guardianlv.com/2013/06/bacon-bullets-designed-to-send-muslims-straight-to-hell-video/
  
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  May 10, 2019 11:27am
- Inandout
  
  And the guy who largely owns M&S:
  
  https://www.marketscreener.com/business-leaders/William-Adderley-06LTXK-E/biography/
  
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  May 10, 2019 12:02pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHRISTCHURCH …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/05/links-10-may-2019/#comment-3344463

… No mention of the anti – car / anti – business Christchurch Council bureaucrats … why ? …

… Meantime … Greater Christchurch (thanks to the adjoining responsibly governed and administered Waimakariri and Selwyn Councils) is booming …

Christchurch restaurant closures prompt fears hardest winter is coming | Radio New Zealand News

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/388856/christchurch-restaurant-closures-prompt-fears-hardest-winter-is-coming

Central Christchurch hospitality operators fear they could be heading into the toughest winter to date. … read more via hyperlink above …
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May 10, 2019 10:54am
MrTips

Set priming sequence….
Boosters…….. check…….
Ignition…..check……

Liftoff, death spiral mode on journalism career initiated.

Its all over Tova, you’re gonna need Nova, to fix your shattered dreams..
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May 10, 2019 10:55am
- Alien
  
  It speaks of the quality of journalism in no when the person you had an affair with is still reporting on issues you’re involved with. Tv3 or what ever weird name they use now should of demoted her from political reporting
  
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  May 10, 2019 1:38pm
- stinkypete
  
  FROM NEWSHUB
  
  The Botany MP sent Newshub pictures from a dinner, and said he and Bridges helped drink five bottles of $200-a-bottle wine, ate a lot of expensive food, and were given a case of wine each – all adding up to more than $500.
  
  Yikun was not mentioned in Bridges’ Pecuniary Interests.
  
  “It would be against Parliament’s rules for an MP not to declare gifts over $500 in value, so I’m surprised Simon hasn’t declared it – he probably should,” Ross told Newshub.
  
  Again, Bridges has denied he ate or drank that much or received a case of wine.
  
  Ross said Bridges gave the wine to him to look after and it got cleared out by the National Party when he was sacked from Caucus.
  
  Despite Bridges’ denials, Newshub has reported this because the allegations are serious – omitting details in the register is tantamount to misleading Parliament. But Bridges maintains he didn’t and won’t be amending the record.
  
  at what point to tova o briens bosses realise she has lost any perspective here. this is the sort of thing people post in face book rants, its not journalism
  
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  May 10, 2019 2:25pm
  - Alien
    
    Well basically you said bridges gave the wine to Jamie, therefore it is Jamie’s to declare as bridges doesn’t have it. Jamie has it.
    
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    May 10, 2019 3:36pm
  - tf78
    
    If they were given a ‘case’ of wine EACH – TOTALING $500 that makes it $250 per case which equals 12 bottles each at about $20/bottle. I thought JLR said anything over $500 had to be reported. What am I missing here?
    
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    May 10, 2019 5:00pm
rightoverlabour

I am all for the legalising of drugs so we can have lots more of this… Uhh maybe NOT! Dumbass Politicians with no idea

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112483467/inquest-into-cause-of-taranaki-crash-which-killed-7-gets-underway
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May 10, 2019 11:50am
Rob2

Mallard told the Herald he was busy with engagements today and he had not read the column.

“I’m not going to read it, so I can’t respond to something I haven’t read.”

“Hear no evil”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12229561&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&fbclid=IwAR3vNZer2w3Fw98zB3QIPFOP9pOl-_4UUOsPQ8hZ9jVoBTAVM4EoPk67ZRQ

Dunne telling the truth about Mallard the class bully.
find myself agreeing completely with Dunne.
WOW
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May 10, 2019 12:33pm
- graham
  
  Mallard told the Herald he was busy with engagements today and he had not read the column.
  
  “I’m not going to read it, so I can’t respond to something I haven’t read.”
  
  The phrase “you can dish it out but you can’t take it” comes to mind …
  
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  May 10, 2019 1:03pm
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112561970/the-pain-torment-and-sorrow-of-being-the-sole-survivor-in-a-crash-that-killed-seven

Not one mention in this article that the “survivor” and her now dead driver partner were off their faces on drugs.

Sorry, your criminal idiotic behavior killed your family.
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May 10, 2019 12:49pm
- alien
  
  Maybe because the coroner’s inquest has yet to take place into It
  
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  May 10, 2019 1:02pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The inquest took place in Whanganui this morning. The Coroner has reserved his decision, but has indicated it will be critical of more than one person.
    
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    May 10, 2019 1:31pm
    - Alien
      
      At the time of the article the inquest hadn’t taken place, thus likely why it didn’t include the drug usage
      
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      May 10, 2019 1:36pm
      - srylands
        
        I’m aware. Why did not the woman disclose to the journalist that they were wasted? Did the journalist ask? Why not?
        
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        May 11, 2019 8:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Radio NZ reported the fact that the Driver and his partner (the sole survivor) were high on Synnies, having both smoked several cones.
    
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/388925/driver-was-high-on-synthetic-cannabis-in-crash-that-killed-seven
    
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    May 10, 2019 1:36pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Nash and Mallard need to have their noses rubbed in this.
  
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  May 10, 2019 1:25pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Child named “Shady-Jade”. Poor kid never stood a chance.
  
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  May 10, 2019 3:32pm
Tony Stuart

Read this Mr Mallard:

The first witness to be called was the officer in charge of the case, Detective Karl Reyland, who expanded on the events leading up to the accident.

He said on the morning of June 27, 2018, Thompson, Nohinohi and the two children were at a Stratford address.

He said Thompson had smoked three cones of synthetic cannabis before Nohinohi got into an argument with a family member and the family left the address.

Reyland said Thompson was on a learner’s licence at the time and had 100 demerit points.

The family stopped in Hāwera, where Thompson smoked more synthetic cannabis before he pulled into the McDonalds drive thru.

There a witness noticed he was slurring his words and making “inexplicable” changes to his order.

Nohinohi was also observed smoking what was believed to be cannabis, before Thompson smoked more and then drove off.

Reyland said a toxicology report was done on Thompson, which detected tetrahydrocannabinol in his system along with chemicals associated with synthetic cannabis.

Reyland said Thompson died from multi injuries at the scene.

The court heard how Rosalie and Ian Porteous, Ora Keene and Brenda Williams died at the scene.

Both Shady-Jade and Nivek died as a result of head injuries.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112483467/inquest-into-cause-of-taranaki-crash-which-killed-7-gets-underway?cid=app-iPhone

This was an accident waiting to happen; a young man, stoned out of his brain on cannabis and synthetic drugs who appears to have fallen asleep, causing his car to collide with another, killing seven people in all.

Trevor Mallard couldn’t have saved the lives of Rosalie and Ian Porteous, Ora Keene and Brenda Williams, which were wiped out by Williams.

However if he had allowed Parliament to be the master of its own destiny on Wednesday, the House could have agreed to debate a Member’s Bill to set up a regime for roadside drug testing, and someone’s life in the future might be spared.
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May 10, 2019 1:27pm
- lilman
  
  And that silly little girl wants to make dope legal.
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  May 10, 2019 2:10pm
- kowtow
  
  With all due respect to the innocent victims , the child named “Nivek” , well the father who’s in prison is Kevin . Think about that for three seconds.
  
  A child named after her father by reversing the letter order.
  
  Each to their own I suppose.
  
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  May 10, 2019 4:37pm
  - tf78
    
    I like Trebla – Albert back to front personally.
    
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    May 10, 2019 5:03pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      Or in the case of kowtow, he/she could have a child called Wotwok.
      That has a nice ethnic ring to it.
      
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      May 10, 2019 6:54pm
dave_c_

NZ and Australia have fallen.
Commentary about how censorship is being pushed vigorously in the down-under. Very troublesome developments indeed !
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/nz-and-australia-have-fallen/
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May 10, 2019 1:49pm
- tf78
  
  Cheers, dave_c_ you made my weekend (not). I knew it was going to happen, but I didn’t realize how fast. Might have a nice tin foil hat weekend.
  
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  May 10, 2019 5:07pm
mark15

Automatic breath analysis machines disguised as the order booth in McDonald’s drive throughs.ANPR images emailed to local plod.Easy catch?
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May 10, 2019 1:54pm
RW Capitalist

Just received this a few minutes ago
https://chrisbishop.national.org.nz/melling
Sign the petition please.
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May 10, 2019 2:11pm
- Inandout
  
  Pushing the proverbial uphill RW. Davis has just thrown $100 million into a cultural hole.
  
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  May 10, 2019 3:41pm
  - Alien
    
    I do wonder if this is why destiny has not allowed in the prisons and how much cheaper they would of cost. But if it stops them reoffending it will be worth the money, only time will tell
    
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    May 10, 2019 3:58pm
    - Inandout
      
      Alien, one does wonder though how many billions go into the Maori industry every year, given they are now worth over $40 billion in assets. It seems Maori are a race only when the Treaty settlements are involved.
      
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      May 10, 2019 4:16pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Destiny Church would be allowed to run a programme in prisons if they offered a sensible proposal.
      But you might wish to note that a previous attempt to run a faith-based unit at one prison was unsuccessful.
      
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      May 10, 2019 4:43pm
wreck1080

Who on earth thought it a good idea to put male prisoners into female prisons?

I hope the prison can be sued for millions!

“A transgender inmate at Christchurch Women’s Prison is being held in isolation while facing several allegations from fellow inmates, including one of sexual assault. “
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May 10, 2019 3:48pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yes. There are never sexual assaults where prisoners are segregated according to gender at birth.
  
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  May 10, 2019 4:38pm
  - nasska
    
    Settle down Mike. Didn’t they tell you that what happened in Mt Crawford stays in Mt Crawford. 🙂
    
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    May 10, 2019 5:45pm
Ross12

Question.
I have just had a call from a survey outfit, on politics.
They said it was a “community service survey” and then asked a few basic questions which you answered by pushing the relevant number.
Is this a survey from a political party and if so which one ?
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May 10, 2019 5:44pm
rightoverlabour

I asee the Govt has thrown a 100 mil at Maori in prisons.

“Davis said the pathway would allow prisoners to experience a kaupapa Māori and whānau-centred approach, from pre-sentence to reintegration back into the community.”

How about a bread and water approach until you stop acting like stoneage savages.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112613282/98-million-mori-pathway-created-to-break-reoffending-cycle-in-northland-hawkes-bay-prisons
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May 10, 2019 6:15pm
- Prince
  
  They don’t know where, and they don’t know how many will be affected.
  But it’s $98M.
  Lots of waffle but nd no targets or stats to know if it is effective.
  
  Typical of this lot. Just throwing the money around is enough.
  
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  May 10, 2019 10:22pm
Monique Watson

Shit’s getting real:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-b-52-bombers-land-in-qatar-over-unspecified-iran-threat
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May 10, 2019 6:17pm
Monique Watson

And I know from mid-air-fuelers that it ain’t a fucking joke.
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May 10, 2019 6:19pm
DigNap15

If anyone believes in man made global warming, they should be pushing for over populated countries to reduce their birth rates to one child per women for 100 years until they get back to sane levels.
Eg Egypt, Pakistan, China, India, Bangladesh
Nigeria, Uganda, Indonesia.
All those countries will need more cars, food, fridges, phones and other stuff.
They are problem!
Not NZ, that produces food for the world.
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May 10, 2019 6:27pm
Alien

A good tedx talk by Eric Bischoff

Why the News Media is stealing from the Pro Wrestling playbook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2RCT6Li4UQ&feature=youtu.be
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