General Debate 7 April 2019

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krazykiwi

The Chief Censor has issued new guidelines on how his office’s recently expanded powers are to be implemented. “It’s about keeping New Zealanders safe from themselves” says Dave Blocks. “We simply can’t have people thinking for themselves and sharing their ideas willy nilly. It’s dangerous, unconstructive, and in the past it has resulted in the establishment of right-leaning political parties, and even think-tanks that are fully devoid of practical cultural Marxism. True story. Under my watch you’ll see things start to improve. The Labour-led government’s funding increase will see my team grow from 10 FTEs to close to 2500 FTEs over the next 6 months”. Mr Blocks went on to outline the key initiatives his newly expanded team would be focusing on. They include:

☭ Priority. Limiting party political advertising to only those parties who have managed to have their leader’s visage projected on a Burj Khalifa or similar. “Jacinda. She’s so cool, right? ” said Mr Blocks.

☭ Tolerance. Limiting all nasty language directed towards politicians. Promoters of epithets such as ‘snaggletooth baritone ghoul’ and ‘my little pony’, and re-posters of the ‘Comrades, comrades…’ videos will be relentlessly prosecuted, together with their families, their friends, and their friends’ tennis partners. Playful mentions of ‘Simple Simon’ will be allowed says Mr Blocks “because it’s quite a cool 80s game, we have one in the lunch room.”

☭ Reach. The office will instruct Google that if they want to do business in New Zealand they will need to hand over all IP addresses and Google searches used by New Zealanders. “My team can’t lay claim to this fabulous idea. Jacinda suggested it to me on her return from China recently” noted Mr Blocks.

☭ Re-education. George Orwell’s book ‘1984’ is to be reclassified from Fiction to Academic/Instructional and will be made a core curriculum text in years 8-11. Additionally the office will commission two new editions. One in Te Reo, and the other as a large format picture book, making it suitable for use in Early Childhood establishments.

☭ Harmony. Other than ‘1984’ and a handful of approved texts, the office plans to ban all written works by people of white European descent. “Let’s face it” says Mr Blocks, “they’ve had their time and should now just roll over”. One of his team did propose a large book burning, but this was reluctantly dismissed on account of the unacceptable carbon emissions.

☭ Foreign News. The censor’s office will be working with ISPs to block all news mentioning Venezuela. “It’s quite atrocious what’s going over there” says Mr Blocks. “I mean, really. Their chief censor is doing an appalling job and is allowing nasty, Trump-inspired propaganda stories to be published about this wonderful country. New Zealanders deserve better, and it’s our job to make sure they get it.”

☭ De-platforming. The office has been impressed at the narrative-constraining initiatives undertaken by universities, student groups and number of activist groups. Mr Blocks noted, “Aside from hiring many of these vigilant people for my newly expanded team – and yes we’ll wash most of them first – we will be establishing a fund to help increase their effectiveness at blocking anything said by a white person, or anything said by someone who knows a white person.”

We plan to interview opponents of this expansion of powers and, subject to censorship directives, will publish a further article next week.

ENDS
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April 7, 2019 8:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Brilliant (so thoughtful).
  
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  April 7, 2019 10:59am
- sooty
  
  Matt Nippert will be pleased that this is indroduced. As now he will be able to get a new job that will not tax his IQ! Sarc!
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:01am
  - waikatogirl
    
    How is Matt Nippert’s list of those with opinions he disapproves of coming along? ?
    
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    April 7, 2019 11:27am
- Rachael Membery
  
  What happens if people are part white person?
  Not speaking for myself here, purely rhetorical.
  
  I am happy with my English heritage interspersed with all that Plantagenet stuff.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Folks who want to accuse a “white” person of being a racist/ alt-righter/ white supremacist might have to do a little bit of research before they go public with their accusation.
    
    They might discover (1) the “white” person is of mixed heritage,
    or (2) the “white” person is co-habiting with non-whites,
    or (3) the white person is completely opposed to racial divisions,
    or (4) the white person has no skin in the game
    
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    April 7, 2019 2:11pm
redeye

If they change their name, as I suspect they will. Can I suggest the Canterbury Cardigans will aptly describe their capitulation.
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April 7, 2019 8:04am
- sooty
  
  They will need to change their uniform more.
  They will need walk shorts, with knitted vests under their cardys, knee high socks and roman sandles. With their hankie, with each corner knotted, placed on their head!
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:07am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Sexy eh what.
    
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    April 7, 2019 11:41am
JibberJabber

As Jordan Peterson’s T-shirt-gate proves, it’s not just your political stand that matters, but who you stand with

https://medium.com/s/meghan-daum/guilt-by-adjacency-15fbeb3af9c0
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April 7, 2019 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  ‘wokescenti’ , very good.
  
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  April 7, 2019 12:31pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “the wokescenti mobs”
  
  Love it. A new fav term. I want to use it in conversation 🙂
  
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  April 7, 2019 1:06pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Just don`t say it 3 times in one sentence, you know they`ll appear.
    
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    April 7, 2019 6:46pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Health Day!
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April 7, 2019 8:07am
- cmm
  
  Happy GPS WNRO day.
  
  What’s WNRO? THe GPS week number is stored in a 10-bit value 0..1023.
  
  Today it rolls over. This can cause merry hell with GPS. It is the GPS system’s version of Y2K.
  
  Well what do I care if my Satnav has the wrong date?
  
  Not so fast… GPS’s major role in society is precision timing. It is used to make our networks, cell towers and power grids work properly.
  
  No GPS timing can be a huge problem.
  
  Let’s hope all the GPS timing units have been updated properly and this is a non-issue, for us anyway.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:48am
- cmm
  
  Happy Jan-van-Riebeeck-arrived-in-the-Cape Day.
  
  This brought prosperity and light to the tail end of Africa – something the current mob are trying their best to extinguish.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:51am
Happychappy

Another Labour Politician that thinks failure is a part of excellence and corporate welfare is ok.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12219618
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April 7, 2019 8:11am
Rob2

ah autumn has arrived.
Day light saving has gone.
The full moon has set.

The maddies will settle down.
Wellingtons sea beasts and the sun god will hui out their differences.

Peace will return to our fine country.

Well maybe!
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April 7, 2019 8:12am
- Rob2
  
  Oh and I see you lot have slept in.
  What’s not to like?
  
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  April 7, 2019 8:16am
DigNap15

Gee, the debate is going really well this morning.
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April 7, 2019 8:13am
waikatogirl

Hello? 8.20am and no comments past mod on GD!
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April 7, 2019 8:20am
Yvette

Turkey calls OIC meeting on Islamophobia after NZ attacks

Elsewhere in the world it was reported –
• The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation [OIC] calls on UN to declare March 15 as solidarity day against Islamophobia
• The OIC demanded the UN secretary-general accelerate his efforts against anti-Muslim trends in the world as it called the secretary “to convene a special session of the UN General Assembly to declare Islamophobia as a form of racism and to assign a special rapporteur for monitoring and combatting Islamophobia.”
• The communiqué also urged the UN secretary-general to ensure measures are taken on social media platforms … like Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram in order for them to take institutional and technical measures to filter and ban any content that incites violence and hatred against Muslims,” it said.
• Erdogan, while campaigning for March 31 local elections, said Turkey would make the suspected attacker pay if New Zealand did not.
He presented the attack as part of an assault on Turkey and Islam and warned anti-Muslim Australians would be “sent back in coffins” like their grandfathers at Gallipoli.
• Erdogan’s comments included video footage of the shootings, which the alleged gunman had broadcast on Facebook.

Here it was reported –
• Winston said Erdogan’s “sent back in coffins” comments were a mis-understanding
• Winston did not raise the issue of Erdogan screening the video because “He had stopped doing that” but did it again shortly after Winston left
• Winston denied he went to sleep on the job
• Media told New Zealand that Erdogan used the terrorist’s footage at rallies but failed to explain the context or what Erdogan said about it.
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April 7, 2019 8:20am
- cmm
  
  There is no such thing as Islamaphobia.
  
  A phobia is an irrational fear.
  
  Fear of Islamisation is not irrational.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:52am
  - Scientific American
    
    Phobia as a suffix in this sort of context means hatred rather than fear. As in for example homophobia – it is unlikely that many people accused of this are actually afraid of gay people (though I guess one should feel sympathy for any such sufferers). Islamophobia (involving either fear or hatred) might make sense, say, for gay people in Brunei. But for people resident in NZ, given relative numbers and recent history, there would be more reason to suffer from Aussiephobia than Islamophobia (correct spelling – obviously cmm does not suffer from ortographobia)
    
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    April 7, 2019 12:30pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Islam cannot and will not tolerate Christianity. It’s perfectly reasonable to be concerned about those or their friends who are perceived as a threat to you.
    
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    April 7, 2019 1:25pm
    - Scientific American
      
      it is simply not correct that Islam will not tolerate Christianity. You could read the Wikipedia article on ‘Islam and other religions’ for example. No doubt there are particular proponents of intolerance, and levels of tolerance of other religions vary between countries and through history. As of course has been the case historically for Christianity.
      
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      April 7, 2019 3:08pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        It is simply not correct that Islam will not tolerate Christianity
        
        Grab a bible, don a crucifix necklace and pop over to Nigeria for some first-hand research. Look forward to hearing your report back.
        
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        April 7, 2019 4:56pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        You have been keeping up with, say, Pakistan’s regular Christian-killings, yes? Or, Nigeria…? etc.
        
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        April 7, 2019 11:29pm
  - mandk
    
    Quite so.
    
    Look around the world and see what is being done in the name of Allah, and you’d have to be bonkers not to be fearful of Islam.
    
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    April 7, 2019 2:52pm
    - Scientific American
      
      Well call me bonkers then. But the issue isn’t so much about what one should fear as the relative risk. Falling coconuts are quite risky but not locally where I live. Personally I am fearful for example of a world-wide economic depression, climate change (whether man made or not), Christian fundamentalists in the US, the impact of social media (not least on right wing extremists), bad driving in NZ (0r bad pedestrians come to that), earthquakes and particularly tsunamis, a possible growth in racism, the personal risk of dementia or prostate or cervical cancer, etc etc. I am prepared to be fearful of Islam but I am not convinced it should go anywhere near the top of the list.
      
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      April 7, 2019 5:17pm
    - Scientific American
      
      replying to krazikiwi, I hardly would, as not a Christian. But if I had the inclination I would regard myself as being pretty safe providing I stayed in Christian areas, which would not be particularly difficult. Nigeria is around 50% Christian last time I looked. But more importantly, nobody and certainly not I, is arguing in favour of Islamicist groups such as Boko Haram. Buy groups do not equate to Islam.
      
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      April 7, 2019 6:10pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        [But] groups do not equate to Islam
        
        These Muslims are simply doing what they’ve been instructed. The Qur’an says:
        
        “Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever you find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush” (Surah 9:5)
        
        I am very, very grateful that there are plenty of ‘bad’ Muslims, ie the vast majority that do not obey this direct instruction.
        
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        April 7, 2019 6:26pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Rationality is driven by facts. A quick look at the 2019 Terrorist Attack map show there quite a lot of be fearful of.
    
    Sure, very little in good ‘ol NooZild, and one could be forgiven for suspending fear until the tragic consequences manifest in your own street.
    
    But that’s not human nature. We fear what might eventuate because, from an evolutionary perspective, that fear has helped us survive.
    
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    April 7, 2019 6:20pm
    - Scientific American
      
      Thank you. On your earlier point, no doubt one can find negative points in the Quran. Equally, maybe even more so, it is easy to find positive affirmation with respect to Jesus and Christianity. Covered in the Wikipedia article on ‘Islam and Christianity’ for example. But I don’t see where this takes one. There are lots of invidious sections in the Bible, and some good things, at least once Jesus makes an appearance. What matters is what one makes of that raw matter, and there is huge scope for interpretation with any revealed religion.
      
      On your later point about fear, yes of course that is useful, but there is plenty of evidence that assessment of relative risk is highly inexact even where it is not quite in the phobia category. Personally I am prepared to be fearful of Fundamentalist Muslims but possibly not quite so much as I fear Fundamentalist Christians – which belief may of course be misplaced although it has some basis in history.
      
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      April 7, 2019 8:36pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        OK, please do a tally over the last, hmmm, ten years or so of terrorist attacks and mass murders specifically and explicitly committed in the name of:
        
        1. Islam
        2. Christianity
        
        Then, consider what the media and public reaction when someone condemns or mocks an aspect of Christianity vs. Islam. For example:
        
        1. The sexual predation on boys by Catholic priests vs. Muslim imams:
        2. Saying “Jesus is so gay” vs. “Allah is so gay”
        
        Do you see the Allah-phant in the room now?
        
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        April 7, 2019 10:32pm
brett68

Looks like it’s started

From Whale oil

At about 19.50 tonight we received a visit from two Police from PNH. The officers demanded to see my firearms security, when challenged on this one officer said he had the right to inspect anytime he liked, I said I wasn’t aware of any changes to the act in that regard, he said it was in the arms act 1982.
At this point the other officer produced a book and asked about comments I made on facebook and what groups I belong to I asked what the comments were, he said he didn’t know. I didn’t reply to the groups question.

http://disq.us/p/20yzo9g
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April 7, 2019 8:25am
- sooty
  
  The follow up will be real interesting!
  Who’s going to win?
  Was it just a misunderstanding?
  Was the officer excedding his powers and will get a stern telling off by his boss and not supplied with coffe during this meeting!
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:12am
  - brett68
    
    PC Plod is only the messenger boy.
    This is coming from much higher up.
    
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    April 7, 2019 11:57am
- Rob2
  
  Yep, copies of letters from the Police to firearms owners appearing on FB.
  Because they support trump. This is not going to end nicely.
  I want the police to stop the burglars and thugs that roam the streets. Gangs that cuddle other bad gangs and political systems.
  Never been threatened by a firearm going about my lawful business.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:40am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    This is getting really worrying.
    
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    April 7, 2019 2:32pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I think there may be a flurry of similar activity initially, but because plod will find few offenses, the will go back to their core job of ticketing offenders for a few ks over the limit, because it will fill their quotas more readily. I don’t have a firearm, don’t have facebook, and doubt my postings here will raise the interest of these fascists running the country at the moment, so I am not too perturbed. My advice to firearm owners now is just play along, the amnesty finishes in September, when March will long forgotten. The cops don’t have the man power, and I doubt the will (other than by pretentious top brass) to worry about previously law-abiding gun owners declared criminals at the stroke of some frustrated woman’s pen.
  
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  April 7, 2019 2:56pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Using the firearms act to conduct questions about facebook posts is pretty fucked up.
  
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  April 7, 2019 3:51pm
Rob2

The Trade Unions and workplace bullying. Some facts about union membership are shown in the “Unions and Union Membership in New Zealand – report on 2015 Survey paper” – link below.

The following are interesting statistics and one wonders whether there is a direct link.

New Zealand’s overall union density is 17.9% (down from 27.2
in 1995) of which the public sector has 60.0% union membership and the private sector has 10% union membership.

82.1% of New Zealand’s workforce don’t belong to a union.

The highly unionised teaching and health sectors have the highest and 2nd highest rate of workplace bullying. Is there a link?
more;
https://www.facebook.com/Culturesafe/posts/1153606408157173
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April 7, 2019 8:32am
- Colville
  
  Unions and 95% female staff. A deadly mix.
  
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  April 7, 2019 4:38pm
sooty

In that newspaper Police minister Stuart Nash says that Labour are clever enough to outfox all the gunmakers and future proof his gun laws!
Watch you gunna do?
Get Phill Twyford to draft them?
I am sure that the gunmakers have a few more clues, then some accidental bunch of pollies at the end of the earth!
Point me in the direction of some decent law Labour have made in the time you have been in government!
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April 7, 2019 8:43am
- sooty
  
  Two hrs for my coment to appear!
  
  (Mod: Be grateful it wan’t three lol)
  
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  April 7, 2019 10:56am
  - ducklin71
    
    Me too. And all i said was “good morning folks”! No political rants.
    
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    April 7, 2019 12:11pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    You were LUCKY!
    
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    April 7, 2019 12:14pm
    - Paulus
      
      I have been automatically moderated for some months on everything I do here, but I am not worried, assuming that I eventually get published.
      Have only had one a while ago which appeared to disappear.
      Couldn’t have been important however as this is the only blogsite to which endorse. It is still the number one.
      I do not and never have used Twitter or Facebook.
      
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      April 7, 2019 1:17pm
  - Komata
    
    Sooty@1056
    
    Actually, NOT funny, as it only emphasises the degree of control which is now being exercised on this site in the name of ‘caution’, and also that we, as KB-ers are at the whim of a moderator…
    
    Possibly an unwise response.
    
    (Mod: Not unwise at all Komata. DPF has given us pretty clear guidelines as to what is acceptable and what isn’t.)
    
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    April 7, 2019 4:18pm
    - Komata
      
      Sooty @1618
      
      Thank you.
      
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      April 7, 2019 6:44pm
- ducklin71
  
  I could try, but i’d get very dizzy spinning around in circles. Yes please get Phil in charge of gun control, immediately. He’ll have 10,000 confiscated in one year haha.
  
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  April 7, 2019 12:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s nice to have a sleep-in, but the cats are getting cranky….so I’d better get the day going.
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April 7, 2019 8:43am
- Rob2
  
  Morning maggie. How’s that trench behaving today?
  
  Was begiining to think that I had been isolated from the world that is NZ.
  
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  April 7, 2019 8:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Seems to have moved activity further south around Waipukurau.
    https://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/light
    
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    April 7, 2019 9:34am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Tut Tut! Surely you mean Aotearoa-New Zealand…?
    
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    April 7, 2019 10:28am
- pussycat
  
  Never!!
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:18am
kowtow

Gotta laugh at the irony.

Germany concerned about an army advancing on Tripoli.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-calls-emergency-un-security-council-talks-on-libya/a-48223906
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April 7, 2019 8:44am
sooty

8.45 and no post yet?
I know it’s daylight saving, but really!
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April 7, 2019 8:45am
- sooty
  
  I see you have all been posting like crazy, just held up in the ether!
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:14am
waikatogirl

Morning Maggy. Have a good day in your garden and husband wrangling. ?
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April 7, 2019 8:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bit sticky underfoot at the moment….might spend some time contemplating what needs the chop….
  (Hubby still in bed)
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:35am
  - waikatogirl
    
    We’ve barely had 20ml rain and desperately need a good downpour. Brought 3 more trees to put in but its far to hot and dry as yet.
    
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    April 7, 2019 9:47am
GazzaW

Where is everyone this morning?

Maggie is our only commenter on two separate posts. My note timed at 0850. Moderator shortage?
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April 7, 2019 8:49am
- waikatogirl
  
  Try 8.20am Gazza and. Moderators must have been having a lie in or a fry up…
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:21am
- ducklin71
  
  Good morning folks! Gotta get straight to work. I’m very lucky to be self-employed at home. At least i can see a lovely Northland sky out my office window lol.
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:37am
  - PhilP
    
    ducklin71
    Watch out for that CGT coming soon to a home near you, when working from home!!
    
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    April 7, 2019 2:50pm
    - ducklin71
      
      PhilP you bet! Grrr! Mr. Accountant Man please explore every way my family can keep more of my hard earned money. Happy to pay tax and contribute. I don’t want to be ripped off by Labour ideology.
      
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      April 7, 2019 3:20pm
- Happychappy
  
  GazzaW : my post was first at 8.11am and it is still waiting for moderation. I was also first on the other story on Wellington Council at 7.14 am and that still has not cleared moderation.
  
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  April 7, 2019 10:06am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Happy, you can’t tell if you are first. The page is empty except for your own comment until the moderators clear the backlog, or those few without a pseudonym post a comment. ??‍♀️ ??‍♂️?‍♀️
    
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    April 7, 2019 12:26pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Realize that now wg but I had my post and then Maggie’s post behind mine for nearly two hours.
      
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      April 7, 2019 3:40pm
- Rob2
  
  Moderating makes you sleepy.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:42am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Maggie isI assume an approved, that is all so didn’t need a mod.
    
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    April 7, 2019 11:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep, I’m approved.
      
      Just follow DPF’s new instructions and receive your
      Get out of Jail card.
      
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      April 7, 2019 2:29pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        New instructions?
        
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        April 7, 2019 2:44pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Maggy W : I sent sent the E mail back the day he posted the new rules saying I wanted to keep Happychappy as the name on my posts but was more than happy to have my details linked to it and never received a reply, obviously I have done it wrong. Could you explain how you went about it please.
        
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        April 7, 2019 3:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Happychappy
        
        Because I post under my own name, I think things are easier..
        I sent an email to editor@Kiwiblog.co.nz on March 19th requesting auto-approve status and provided my home address and phone no.
        
        If you continue to use a pseudonym you have to provide some link to your real identity (as well as request auto-approve status).
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/03/moderation_changes.html
        
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        April 7, 2019 8:27pm
Wangas Feral

Dogs and chickens were demanding their food an hour earlier. Oh well.
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April 7, 2019 8:51am
stinkypete

In case anyone needs to vomit Sunday morning stuff has you covered

Clarke Gayford: The dad, the first man and the guy who gets to go on fishing ‘work trips’

Gayford is, in many ways, charting his own path. He’s the first man of New Zealand, raising a baby with the prime minister, and making adventure television in between all his other engagements.

Better than Ipecac
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April 7, 2019 8:53am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I liked the bit where it said he was doing back to back 20 minute interviews. Certainly not something you ever saw Mary English, Bronagh Key or even Dr Peter Davis doing.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:00am
  - sooty
    
    Hay. He’s important don’t you know!
    A ledgend in his own mind!
    Pity the minds been ruined by all those lawnmowers
    
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    April 7, 2019 11:19am
- calendar girl
  
  The PM’s partner is not my “first man of New Zealand”. What a ridiculous title to give Gayford who just happened to be part of Jacinda Ardern’s household when the maverick Peters appointed her as Prime Minister.
  
  Probably Peters regards himself as “first man of New Zealand”. Who could argue logically with that view?
  
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  April 7, 2019 12:27pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Will this fucker just go away! he has puff pieces written for him on stuff and the herald sites. WTF! Along with another piece on how wonderful Cindy is. The hagiography is alarming…
  
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  April 7, 2019 2:33pm
- Scooter
  
  No mention of a nanny, so do the grandparents travel to Wellington to help look after the baaaby? My bet is there is a nanny but not the right look for the First Family to admit.
  
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  April 7, 2019 5:46pm
Rob2

“The starting point for zero vision is the ethical stance that nobody should be killed or injured seriously in traffic. It should be easy to do right in traffic and mistakes should not be punished with death. Roads, streets and vehicles should be adapted and designed according to human conditions. The responsibility for road safety is shared between those who design and the responsibility for road safety is shared between those who design and those who use the transport system. The designers have the ultimate responsibility for safety.”

That vision seems to be inspiration that New Zealand could follow.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111849821/the-road-toll-is-a-national-crisis

Meanwhile in real time NZ;
Our youth smoking rate is down.
Our consumption of hyper energy drinks is up.
( Hi power stimulants) People should be tested for this stuff just like they are booze. Well that;’s would be when the police have time to do that sort of thing these days.)
Our consumption of on the go coffee (a known stimulant) is way up courtesy of BP, Z and the likes.
We have thousands more light compact cars that fall to bits at the slightest bump and bigger trucks to run them over.
Thousands more tourists.
Thousands more oldies that really should be using uber. ( The Nats. backed off removing their licenses because they really didn’t have the guts to do what they should.)

JAG and Twyford have backed off building better roads which will bring the toll down as has been proven in so many places.
The drive to fix bits is a parallel picture along with the new roads.

Shit countries a mes because of stupid Politicans.
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April 7, 2019 8:54am
- Sacha
  
  How does Uber go with towing horse floats? Say from PN to Cambridge?
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:43am
- Ed Snack
  
  Disagree about the small cars. Most modern small cars are a lot safer than earlier models, but in an accident with other vehicles they do suffer from a lack of overall mass so do take a disproportionate share of the excess momentum. That Astra that was T-boned by the Ranger would have had that problem, though anything hit in the side is going to suffer a lot more damage.
  
  Perhaps one solution would be to ban large heavy Utes as they cause far too much damage and aren’t that safe themselves. (/sarc, but personally I think people who drive these truck utes without a damn good reason are w*nkers writ large)
  
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  April 7, 2019 10:43am
  - Rob2
    
    Mass is one bit Kinetic energy is the other and these safe cars are designed around crashing at 30 KPH.
    When did you last drive at that speed other than the Auckland motorway in the morning?
    
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    April 7, 2019 11:45am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    People driving those utes round my way nearly always seem to be small men. Possible compensation issues?
    
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    April 7, 2019 12:25pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Projection. It’s a thing. Try to get over it.
      
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      April 7, 2019 11:31pm
slightlyrighty

So Max Key has left NZ. I wish him well.

The age of Social Media is such that any hope for a normal life now lies offshore for Max. There will always be a number of people who will target him in some sort of righteous vendetta, which is common among those leftist extremists.
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April 7, 2019 8:56am
- Tall Man
  
  As your downticks prove.
  
  Envy and spite run deep in the left….and “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:48am
- Rachael Membery
  
  A lefteous vendetta?
  
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  April 7, 2019 12:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Very apt.
    
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    April 7, 2019 6:06pm
Brian McDonald

Blues looking patient and coldly determined for the first time in years, and it took a hard nosed tough mainlander to get the message through.
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April 7, 2019 8:58am
- Prince
  
  Hard to get excited about this competition.
  The prize for one of fourteen teams outside the Crusaders is to win a quarter and semi final, then to be roundly thumped and humiliated in Christchurch.
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:08am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    The Blues ‘nearly’ won on Eden Park against the Crusaders at the season’s opener but still had the frenetic, careless part of their game partly intact, the part that has plagued the team for a decade – getting ahead of themselves, not treating ball security as no 1 priority. They are playing a different, more basic style now that allows them more easily to extend to ball playing at width, it’s catching on.
    
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    April 7, 2019 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    True. There are some things that could be done though:
    Canterbury could be forced to rehire Todd Blackadder as coach.
    Reduce the number of NZ teams to four, with one covering the South Island to be based in a south island city that has a stadium.
    Pull out of the Sanzar competition for an expanded home and away 12-team NPC, with realistic promotion and relegation.
    
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    April 7, 2019 9:34am
- hullkiwi
  
  Brian, sorry my mistake – fat fingers on a phone.
  
  You are right. I have never convinced about the corporate structure or Kirwan (his record with Italy never said much).
  
  In the Blues favour this is the best they’ve been for years and Auckland won the Mitre 10.
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:13am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    I agree hullkiwi there’s something about doing press ups in the mud and the rain that a white board can never reproduce. Great to watch a team attitude change and for the players to revel in the basic arts of team and ball first above all else.
    
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    April 7, 2019 9:37am
- pdm
  
  Tom Coventry isthe man at the Blues. Probably the best forward coach in the country.
  
  Look at how the Chiefs went backwards after he moved on.
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:24am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Good point.
    
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    April 7, 2019 7:59pm
- greybeard
  
  Down here in Wgtn the Phoenix have reaped the benefits of a decent coach / selector as well.
  
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  April 7, 2019 10:16am
- MCos
  
  The Crusaders are coached by a hardnosed Tauranga man who had the good sense to ply his trade elsewhere than that rugby (& everything else) backwater.
  Previously the team floundered under the guidance of Todd Blackadder, a hardnosed mainlander.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:26am
sooty

Some of NZs most loved entertainers are coming together at Sky city for a CC show.
Cliff Curtis, Michael Murphy, Darryl Lovegrove Suzanne Paul, Colin Mathura Jeffree, Bob Parker, Geoff Sewell.
Who are these people?
I must lead a sheltered life, I’ve Suzanne was pushing ads on tellie and Bob was a presenter. But really. Just as well Sky donated the stage free or it would flop!
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April 7, 2019 8:58am
- DigNap15
  
  Michael Murphy was great on a talent show
  “Should I stay or Should I go Now” screams!
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:36am
- Sacha
  
  Michael Murphy. As a youngster (20ish) he had a lead role in a Wellington Operatic Society production – was it Les Miserables or 42nd Street? He was outstanding and anyone could see that he had a future in musical theatre.
  None of the others on the list would get me out the door. What is CC?
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:50am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    ChCh I assume.
    
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    April 7, 2019 1:09pm
- pdm
  
  Geoff Sewell was pretty good in his day but I have never heard of any of the others you have listed Sooty.
  
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  April 7, 2019 10:41am
NK

I see Trump is encouraging the Fed Reserve to print money.
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April 7, 2019 8:59am
- NK
  
  Why downticks to a factual statement?
  
  You all went nuts when Red Russel Norman suggested it for this country.
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:27am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Is Trump still convinced he could pay off the national debt by printing more money?
    
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    April 7, 2019 9:42am
    - Rob2
      
      Probably not but by the way merkyl and a few others are starting to go troppo he is reducing the american taxpayers subsidy to the rest of the world and that will get it done.
      Ever been there MM
      Go for the education value. Better than your screen in your cupboard.
      
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      April 7, 2019 11:48am
    - Cobolt24
      
      No but, this Occasional Cortex woman seems to think so. https://www.insidesources.com/the-ocasio-cortez-plan-to-pay-for-progressive-programs-print-a-lot-more-money/
      
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      April 7, 2019 4:08pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Cases of “My feelings on Trump don’t care for your facts”. It’s that bad in the US now.
    
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    April 7, 2019 11:33am
lastmanstanding

I find it interesting that all the supposed fixes to the great hoax Climate Change involve raiding my and other tax payers and consumers hip pocket.

One could get quite cynical that there are no other supposed fixes that dont involve relieving me of my hard earned cash.

I also find it interesting that when you follow the money it all leads back to those who will benefit regardless.

1. Central Government. More taxes to waste on their pet projects.

2. Local Government. Dittos.

3. Academics who rely on funding to write their hoax papers.

4.Companies engaging in Greenwash seeking to virtue signal and steal a march on their competitors.

Have I missed any others. Probably but no doubt you get the drift.
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April 7, 2019 9:25am
- tf78
  
  lastmanstanding- follow that money and you end up at the UN.
  
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  April 7, 2019 10:10am
- Fletch
  
  A Republican, Dan Crenshaw, pointed out some home truths on tax –
  
  “It seems to me that you all believe that the role of government is to tax the people as much as possible so that you and your benevolent fellow academics can dream up more programs for the government to spend money on […] The role of government is to tax people to the least extent possible, while still taxing them enough to cover basic needs for government.”
  
  https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2224048334321979
  
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  April 7, 2019 10:14am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The French were onto it early:
    
    “The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing” — Jean-Baptiste Colbert, finance minister to Louis XIV of France
    
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    April 7, 2019 1:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What exactly is going on here?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/111816324/chief-statistician-ordered-by-mps-to-produce-information-on-census-2018#comments
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April 7, 2019 9:28am
- lastmanstanding
  
  It was an online census with very little follow up so what did they expect.
  
  Showed that we arent ready for online stuff yet.
  
  Mind you an online General Election might work in the Rights favour.
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:40am
  - Sacha
    
    @ lastmanstanding: You think? We might not have any sort of a government for 2 years while all the invalid and non-existent votes were examined, and then have to have another election to replace the first – and then it would be time for the next one. The Public Service would run the country – which would not necessarily be worse than the government.
    
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    April 7, 2019 9:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Akshiily….
    I’m wondering why the Stuff story is being run a few days BEFORE MacPherson has to front up with the information.
    
    She told the committee they’ll have to wait for the info at a later date….
    
    Is this how the politicians tell Public servants to do as they ‘re told, nowadays…. via Stuff?
    
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    April 7, 2019 9:56am
    - sooty
      
      Online census?
      Never heard of it!
      I love the census, name and address is corect. The rest made up.
      What you gunna do about it?
      
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      April 7, 2019 10:02am
  - kowtow
    
    Long story . Cut short .
    We got followed up .
    I told the guy the thing was a fuck up from start to finish.
    He no likee .
    He told me , it’s the way of the future .
    I begged to differ .
    I said it excludes the elderly and those not interested in e shit.
    
    I’m not wrong.
    
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    April 7, 2019 11:29am
- waikatogirl
  
  2018 census = #totalfustercluck.
  It will be interesting to see the estimated percentage who actually completed the census.
  
  Good on Nick Smith.
  
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  April 7, 2019 9:42am
- RF
  
  Is this what Shaw was ducking & diving about last year.
  
  The whole thing is sounding very dodgy……
  
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  April 7, 2019 2:53pm
waikatogirl

Will Cindy be making an appearance at QT this week in person as PM?
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April 7, 2019 9:33am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Will there be international acclaim?
  
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  April 7, 2019 12:12pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    No need Rachael, a large mirror held up will do nicely.
    
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    April 7, 2019 12:36pm
    - sooty
      
      You had better make it double sided, other wise Whinney will hog it!
      
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      April 7, 2019 4:21pm
sooty

Went over to WO, because you people are still a sleep.
KGB had a post on the royal wedding nxt year, some of the questions asked were,
Are Clarkes friends invited to the wedding?
If so, will they get day release?
Talk about rubbing it in!

Someone else said that HDPA was busy pushing the pram!
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April 7, 2019 9:37am
- PhilP
  
  sooty,
  HDPA is a good friend of Lizzie Marvely’s, says it all really??
  
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  April 7, 2019 3:12pm
DigNap15

Why doesn’t she just come clean and say, we stuffed up, we don’t have it.
You only have to look at her to see that she is incompetent
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April 7, 2019 9:37am
DigNap15

Road Toll
The real question is which is the best?
Make a few dangerous and busy and important stretches of road really good and virtually accident free. (National Roads of significance)
Or make a lot of other roads better (or worse) with judder bars and cheese cutters.

My vote is for the first option.
And I think most people agree with me
Are you listening Genter?
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April 7, 2019 9:41am
- MCos
  
  Five people were killed in one car the other day down Canterbury way.
  The car drove off the road and hit a tree. None of the six occupants were wearing seat belts.
  
  Bad behaviour causes accidents.
  
  We could spend billions on flash roads, ban cars older than five years, whatever you like, but people are still going to run red lights, talk on the phone, text on the phone, kill each other, without a fundamental shift in attitude.
  BTW
  Didn’t Bob Jones make a big fuss about refusing to wearing to wear a seat belt?
  There’s your problem right there.
  A lot of intelligent people turn into hot headed fools on the road in NZ.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:47am
- Rob2
  
  Both need doing and the rate they are collecting money to NZTA it should be happening.
  
  Watch out that they don’t siphon NZTA funds to other causes.
  
  UOh too Late,
  Cycleways, walkways you name it.
  
  Oh I forgot, NEW LED LIGHTS for every street light in NZ. From NZTA. Saves carbon eventually. Program is in full swing. Not just replacement which would hve been sensible.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:51am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Jag is an Associate Minister of transport and so is Jones?
  
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  April 7, 2019 12:14pm
Liberty

What has happened to the labour naughtiness camp trial ?
If it has been delayed. Why?
Maybe the central committee is a bit concerned that the public will find
out some home truths ?
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April 7, 2019 9:50am
- alien
  
  Many cases were postponed because of the Christchurch shooting
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:24am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Especially I would imagine, if support people and character witnesses if allowed were caught up in trying to sort it out, it must have been horrific, unprecedented in our time, so far, if that’s the reasoning I have no problem with it.
    
    If it is a cover up I mind a lot.
    
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    April 7, 2019 12:17pm
    - freethinker
      
      I suspect some kind of cover up as its real easy to say trial postponed to 29-2-2099, end of story. sarc
      
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      April 7, 2019 2:08pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I was trying to be generous.
        
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        April 7, 2019 6:30pm
  - namron
    
    [12.17] No – “many cases” were NOT postponed.
    “On 12 Sept 2018 2 charges were withdrawn, but the 4 remaining charges were to go to the North Shore Court on Mon 18 March 2019.
    A number of Kiwiblog contributors have been googling as there has been no sign of any information about the trial – which naturally has aroused many suspicions!
    Last week, I emailed the office of Mark Mitchell -ex-cop and possible future Nat Minister of Police and got this reply 2.08pm on Fri 5 April.
    “On behalf of Mark Mitchell, thank you for your email.
    As this matter is before the Courts, it would not be appropriate for us to make comment.
    It also would not be appropriate for us to ask the question in the House on this matter, as it is not parliamentary in nature.”
    I keep thinking of other Court cases and how the news media have no hesitation or prohibition from fully reporting on all details.
    Now what, anyone??
    
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    April 7, 2019 12:18pm
    - freethinker
      
      We are only asking, did the trial take place if not when will it, no breaches of anything except the public’s right to know what is going on in our taxpayer funded judicial system.
      
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      April 7, 2019 2:11pm
    - alien
      
      Sure they were, which is why the radio news reported on the cases being postponed all around nz.
      
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      April 7, 2019 2:46pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Where is the trial to be held? One would not expect Christchurch, about 1,000km away from the site of the alleged offences.
    
    Whatever the issues, when and where is the trial to be held of the alleged sexual predator charged with offences that were said to have been committed at the 2018 Labour Youth Camp staged in the Bay of Plenty?
    
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    April 7, 2019 12:50pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Thanks, namron – didn’t see your comment (probably in moderation at the time?) until mine had been posted.
      
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      April 7, 2019 12:58pm
  - Liberty
    
    If the trial was in Christchurch that would be understable.
    But I believe the trial was in Auckland.
    A trial with such public interest.
    A new date should have been advised.
    Is it going to be delay of month, six months, a year
    Or is their a plain to just to forget it.
    As usual the public is being kept in the dark by the media groveling up to labour by not doing their job.
    If National held such a debortuous training camp the media would not able to contain them selves.
    
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    April 7, 2019 1:09pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Sorry, Liberty, pressed the “Report” button in error.
      
      I’m sure that other Parties’ weekend gatherings (annual conferences and the like) do at times involve a bit of old-fashioned debauchery, but that’s not a criminal matter when persons involved are consenting adults.
      
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      April 7, 2019 4:26pm
Inandout

‘Truckies to take on farm invaders.
A former truckie is rallying current drivers to call out ‘vegan terrorists’ as fears escalate that activists are planning to invade Queensland farms on Monday’. And about bloody time that these eco terrorists were given some real justice. The Police apparently are next to useless and turn up hours after being called.
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April 7, 2019 9:52am
Justitia

I think I’m coming round to the idea of new “hate speech” laws. Both the Koran and the Old Testament tell believers to go out and kill various classes of people. We should ban them, I’d be okay with that. As soon as Jacinda imposes the new laws we should go for it.
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April 7, 2019 9:59am
- alien
  
  Sure, as long as you ban all religious books that encourage physical violence against others
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:26am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I’m not into the bible but wasn’t the update from the “Old Testament” to the “New Testament” a removal of old beliefs that were no longer tolerated? Maybe other ancient religions need to bring out modernised updates more palatable to the 21st century population.
    
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    April 7, 2019 12:51pm
    - Maria
      
      The Old Testament, in the Jewish or Christian reading, does not encourage violence against others.
      
      The reading of the Old Testament in the Catholic Tradition has four senses of scripture. There are also many genres within the Old Testament. Violent verses are interpreted in the spiritual sense. Consequently, any violence that relates to a historical reading is in fact timebound to that particular event.
      
      Furthermore, Old Testament violence is limited to the particular events of the Jewish people entering into the boundaries of the land of Israel. It does not incite violent action that moves out into the world at large.
      
      By contrast, the Islamic Sunna does for its purpose is to obtain submission of the world. So its violence is not limited to a particular time or bound by a particular place. Violence is for the purposes of causing others to submit to its religious law; it doesn’t need conversion as such but submission to Islamic law.
      
      If Islam was to reform it would need to spiritualise its violence passages (spiritual warfare) and time bound them to past history. This is very difficult because of the example of its prophet who gave the example of abandoning his preaching mission and began a jihad mission of war. It was that change to jihad that marks the beginnings of Islam, not the birth of the prophet.
      
      By contrast, Christ only asked that his apostles baptised others and resisted violence for his sake saying that ‘those who live by the sword, die by the sword’. From the Christian tradition was developed the concept of just war, which limits the justification for war significantly. Just war theory is usually taught in western military academies.
      
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      April 7, 2019 5:24pm
- septic skeptic
  
  These books are certainly the elephant in the room.
  
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  April 7, 2019 12:09pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Old Testament is just that. It dealt largely with history and revelation. There were some explicit orders to wipe out certain groups who were descendants of interbreeding banished angels with humans.
  The New Covenant which we remember this month brings the message of God’s reconciliation to and with the world.
  
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  April 7, 2019 1:59pm
Maggie Pie

YAY!! Tings are finally back to normal in our household, even the oven-clock is on the right time again. My partner said the only downside to daylight saving ending at 2am, was that he had to put up with listening to that horrible pom Miles Davis for an exta hour.
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April 7, 2019 10:02am
- sooty
  
  My Spark phone is still saying one hour fast!
  Now 12.28.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:27am
Chris2

I am intrigued by the absence of comment here or in the media about Stephen Franks raising Golriz Gaharaman’s deceptive CV on TV3’s “The Nation” on Saturday morning, and her faux response of outrage to it. Boy did she squirm. Will it be edited out of the repeat screening of the Nation today?
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April 7, 2019 10:03am
- kowtow
  
  She looked stunned , then he told her to sue him .
  
  Such fun .
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can’t see anything about it on the clip shown here on Pete George’s site. (apart from an odd reference to the privacy commissioner around the 6:20 mark)…It appears to be the complete interview.
  https://yournz.org/2019/04/07/franks-v-ghahraman-free-speech-v-hate-speech/
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:31am
- Rob2
  
  got a link?
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:54am
Hugh Pavletich

SYDNEY AUSTTenants save big on rent as rising forces landlords to cut prices … The Daily Telegraph / News Com Au

https://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/sydney-nsw/tenants-save-big-on-rent-as-rising-housing-supply-forces-landlords-to-cut-prices/news-story/e9035bbc8598c1a00c39a674d42b69a8

AIDAN DEVINE

Sydney tenants have been pocketing hundreds of dollars a week in savings as mounting housing supply forces landlords to discount their rents by nearly 25 per cent in some city pockets.

The savings showed renters have become the surprise winners from rampant investor buying during the property price boom from 2014-2017, which has flooded the market with rental properties.

Recent falls in property prices also encouraged more property seekers to purchase their first home and leave the rental market, cutting tenant competition for properties. … read more via hyperlink above …
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- marcw
  
  Quelle suprise, increased/normal supply means reduced excessive pricing opportunities.
  
  Genius, who would have thought …
  
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  April 7, 2019 2:27pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    New Zealand February Building Consents lift substantially …
    
    New dwelling consents are particularly strong in Auckland led by growth in apartments | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/98879/new-dwelling-consents-are-particularly-strong-auckland-led-growth-apartments
    
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    April 7, 2019 4:13pm
Tall Man

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12219992

Lightning strikes…I don’t think so…jones hot air emanating from his arse igniting.

With any luck he blow his own fat arse out of parliament.
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April 7, 2019 10:06am
The Heat

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/111529519/clarke-gayford-the-dad-the-first-man-and-the-guy-who-gets-to-go-on-fishing-work-trips

“Gayford is, in many ways, charting his own path. He’s the first man of New Zealand…He is literally everywhere. ….”

Stuff is the Women’s Weekly of NZ churnalism.
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April 7, 2019 10:18am
- Rachael Membery
  
  He can run in the 2020 election then.
  
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  April 7, 2019 2:00pm
- Tall Man
  
  He’s everywhere…like an STD do they mean?
  
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  April 7, 2019 6:08pm
Nukuleka

The gospel at mass this morning was from St John and was the story of Jesus forgiving the woman caught in the act of adultery. My oh my what a contrast between the teachings of Jesus and those of Brunei’s sharia law.
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April 7, 2019 10:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  The best bit of this story was the religious leaders trying to trap Jesus. The claimed to have caught her “in the very act”, meaning they let the bloke scamper while they dragged her before Jesus. Hypocrites, and he called them on it. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
  
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  April 7, 2019 2:08pm
secondcumming

Is it just me……or do *idiots* multiply quicker than normal people?
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April 7, 2019 10:31am
- Rob2
  
  Its us. sc.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:55am
- Tall Man
  
  Nope, not just you.
  
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  April 7, 2019 1:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s the MSM (which is full of them) exposing us to idiots. Blow you own trumpet and all that stuff
  
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  April 7, 2019 3:38pm
Tall Man

“But it is an important topic, and a few things need to be said, because there are changes afoot that are seriously undermining the ‘Kiwi way’.

As a nation, New Zealanders have traditionally been outspoken – not afraid to poke fun at ourselves and call a spade a spade. We have never warmed to being politically correct – but that is no longer the case.

The reality is that our freedom of speech is being increasingly muzzled. These days discussions on sensitive matters are mostly held in private. People are far less inclined to speak out publicly for fear of personal attacks and ‘labels’.”

That is from the article below written in 2015.

Have gotten better or worse?

I am not happy with the overbearing censorship we currently have via “cyber bullies” on social media, looney lefty “journalists” (using the term loosely) running our media for their own political agenda and even now on Kiwiblog where an “agressive” stance on any topic will be fiercely…..eliminated.

Can someone tell me what is wrong with our country please.

https://www.nzcpr.com/undermining-the-kiwi-way/
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April 7, 2019 10:37am
- Tall Man
  
  The four downtickkers give a clue to what’s wrong with our country
  
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  April 7, 2019 1:30pm
- MickMac
  
  Tall man
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  These things shall pass.
  Just don’t vote for them as you encourage them…
  🙂
  
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  April 7, 2019 1:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    7 downtickers, 30%..probably about the size of the labour vote in 2020.
    
    Seriously people, do you really not care about New Zealand?
    
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    April 7, 2019 6:13pm
Ross12

An interesting article by James Delingpole. Initially it is about Brexit but further down he discusses how the Conservatives got into the mess they are in.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/06/if-the-conservatives-cant-deliver-no-deal-brexit-britain-is-finished/
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April 7, 2019 10:44am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well, Brexit is largely the result of Conservative Party infighting
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:34am
  - Ross12
    
    I do not think Brexit itself is the result of it MM. But I’d agree the mess it is in at the moment has a lot to do with the infighting.
    
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    April 7, 2019 1:55pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Brexit is what you get when you pull out of the EU. The EU also has to trade so any hiatus will be short lived.
    Freedom from the Brussels bureaucrats is to be highly desired.
    
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    April 7, 2019 2:05pm
    - calendar girl
      
      As is the UK’s ability to determine who may cross its borders to enter the country. Most of the UK is surrounded by ocean; even more so is New Zealand. My view is that we will come to treasure increasingly that gift of nature which helps to protect our territorial integrity and underpins our right to self-determination.
      
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      April 7, 2019 4:58pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Not quite. The Brexit mess is a result of infighting. Brexit itself is the result of decades of the ruling elite, of all hues, ignoring or manipulating the ‘little people’.
    
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    April 7, 2019 2:10pm
BeaB

I watched the Nation because I always find Stephen Franks interesting and refreshingly untribal. Golly G patronised him, talked over him and corrected him and she and the interviewer kept smiling complicitly at each other as if to say, why are we even giving this old white dinosaur air time?
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April 7, 2019 10:58am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  He had his time in parliament to make himself relevant.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    Whereas you…..
    
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    April 7, 2019 1:28pm
- michael_s2
  
  I agree. So called journalist was so smug and patronising towards Franks but took no steps to control the Green poseur.
  
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  April 7, 2019 11:38am
- waikatogirl
  
  Goldriz does love every word that falls from her lips. When Franks asked Goldriz for an example on her claims of breaches of free speech the interviewer told Franks that he needed to give an example. At one point Goldriz said to Stephen Franks. “that comment comes from a position of privilege”. So why are Franks comments from a position of privilege but as a member of parliament Goldriz comments come from??? Pot/kettle!
  
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  April 7, 2019 1:14pm
- MickMac
  
  bea B
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  Sadly, Emma Jolliff wasn’t very professional was she?
  Useless as a facilitator. she should stick to reporting.
  
  It was a poor show from The Nation.
  A real opportunity to cover an important topic.
  It would have been better to Just have Franks on and he and Jolliff having a conversation.
  
  Golrix was an absolute shit, for a MP in the highest court on the land I was appalled.
  She’s a trained lawyer, why did’t she research her opponant?
  She had no idea, none.
  
  When Franks told her she was making stuff up, I actually thought of DPF at that moment !
  
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  April 7, 2019 2:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Could you term her a liar …maybe?
    
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    April 7, 2019 6:00pm
sooty

It’s all true! Cindys just came out and admitted that she pulls shit out of her arse! In a story in that newspaper, this morning.
No facts needed, just make shit up!
Feelz right. Just do it!
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April 7, 2019 11:42am
Maggie Pie

Fab to see reports out of NY this morning that Mick Jagger is ‘on the mend’
after his heart op. Sounds like it could well have been touch and go 🙁

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3fctZTWkAUyT8M.jpg
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April 7, 2019 11:54am
- waikatogirl
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyOaCXr8Lw
  
  Get well soon Mick.
  
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  April 7, 2019 1:16pm
- smttc
  
  Yeah, we know all that. But what does your partner think?
  
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  April 7, 2019 2:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Whenever i get dolled-up to go somewhere, he thinks Ronnie Wood 🙂
    
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    April 7, 2019 3:58pm
Rob2

doing some research on wheel chairs this morning so had a look at Google pics.

Given the topics of the week I thought this one might appeal.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/bd/f4/83bdf41237b74000f5c5d19f48a4e0e4.jpg

But then for the roadies there is this;
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjBhOTa17zhAhUi63MBHd_ZB84QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fimgurl.info%2Fexplore%2Fchristmas-pimped-out-wheelchair%2F&psig=AOvVaw1rIWnJeLgzMK8I8RFG6NNu&ust=1554681891473626

And the Ladies try this one.
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April 7, 2019 12:08pm
krazykiwi

Notwithstanding the Brexit chaos, this is sense from the Brits:

The [UK] Government has abandoned creating laws to tackle extremism because it is “too difficult” as their last attempt would have even criminalised Jeremy Clarkson, the former reviewer of terrorism laws has said.

Lord Anderson QC said previous attempts to tackle dangerous ideology before it develops into terrorist acts have been too broad and would have made legitimate political and religious activity illegal.

The definition of extremism adopted by the Government, he argues, is “broad and ill-defined” and inventing laws against it is “what they do in Russia and it is no model to follow”.
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Lord Anderson told the Telegraph: “The notion [of extremism] is far too broad to be suitable for legislation. Coercive state powers should not be applied to “extremism”, but only to specific types of violent, abusive and anti-social conduct that there is a sufficiently strong reason to prohibit. ”

Emphasis mine. This is relevant because right now New Zealanders are seeing an increasingly Marxist state, led by a hater of capitalism, strengthening its powers over law-abiding citizens.
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April 7, 2019 2:41pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Those excerpts make sense.
  Your concluding sentence does not.
  
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  April 7, 2019 2:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s because your brain is only programmed to adore the stardust girl which makes it impossible for you to actually see reality.
    
    I’d love to read your comment on the censor banning the “manifesto” of the nutjob tarrant, or even your take on the nut job in parliament who’s decided that his name is to be “voldermorted”….
    
    It’s been a big day here and I’d love a good laugh…
    
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    April 7, 2019 5:57pm
    - The King
      
      “Nutjob” Churchill firebombed women and children and professed a liking to gassing “uncivilized tribes”
      
      “Nutjob” Nelson Mandela bombed women and children.
      
      Both these people are now revered, considered heroes by millions.
      
      Everything Tarrant said in the manifesto has come to pass, almost Nostradamus like. The way things keep going he might just get his 27 year Mandela status- just an opinion, based purely on my observation of previous “nutjobs” from history.
      
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      April 7, 2019 7:43pm
mikenmildagain

So, the president hasn’t read the special counsel’s report, even though he has ‘every right to do so’, but knows that it shows ‘no collusion, no obstruction’.
It’s obvious he would never read such a lengthy document, even though his actual name will be in there many times instead of references to ‘Individual 1’.
When the report is released, many others will be able to do the work of summarising and reporting on it for him. Their might even be time for a helpful aide to make a two or three-page summary, double spaced and large font with a couple of pictures of the subject and a coloured diagram or two.
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April 7, 2019 3:35pm
- Rob2
  
  Bad day MM?
  
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  April 7, 2019 4:22pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And that’s different because?
    
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    April 7, 2019 5:55pm
- mandk
  
  So what?
  
  Why would the President bother to read a report that only ever came about because the Democrats were desperate to smear him?
  
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  April 7, 2019 4:51pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Did you mean:
    Why would the President bother to read?
    
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    April 7, 2019 6:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      At least he can….
      
      Maybe someone didn’t read the bits about woman’s rights in certain countries…
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12218679
      
      Or she did and didn’t care, just wanted the “awesome” election campaign pics…..
      
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      April 7, 2019 6:23pm
      - sooty
        
        Was it on the telly? She would not know if it wasn’t!
        
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        April 7, 2019 8:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  But until that day you’re quite happy to “speculate”…nice word for lie.
  
  Let’s see. An immigration minister too lazy to read a file…. Is that the sort of thing you are referring to?
  
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  April 7, 2019 5:54pm
rightoverlabour

None so blind that will not see…
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April 7, 2019 4:03pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.
  
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  April 7, 2019 4:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So how would you apply that to “what’s in it for wynston”‘s pr girl.
    
    Her knowledge is obviously over a very limited spread and rather than admit it, she lies. For example, her claim about running a “small business” so she understands how business people will feel rather that admit she know’s nothing but will go and find out. So basically, she ignores that fact that she doesn’t know and can’t be bothered to find out…..
    
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    April 7, 2019 5:52pm
rightoverlabour

That’s precisely why I tend to be right leaning in terms of politics..left wing dogma has never worked, doesn’t work now and will never work as it’s flawed at its essence. There is not a country in the world that has embraced left wing ideology that has become successful or improved in any measure. I thus choose not to ignore what is obvious, except to fools.
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April 7, 2019 5:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The veracity of your assertion will depend upon your definition of what constitutes ‘left wing dogma’.
  
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  April 7, 2019 6:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Stupid stuff that fucks up a country….
    
    that work for you?
    
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    April 7, 2019 8:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    No reply to me mikey…too tough for you?
    
    Shoule I type more slowly?
    
    Is adern a liar… because….she ……says ….. stuff …. that ….. isn’t ….. true…..
    
    Or….is….she….a….liar….because…. she …. doesn’t…..tell…. the ….. truth….?
    
    Too fast?
    
    Referring ……to ……her …..comments ……about ……running …… a ……small ……business ……?
    
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    April 7, 2019 8:31pm
The King

2 White Liberal lesbian women murdered 6 black kids, i’m keen to know how this is not as shocking as Dylann Roof …

We need to talk about Progressive Supremacy.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7972707/mystery-white-lesbian-mums-killed-black-kids-adopted/
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April 7, 2019 6:19pm
- Tall Man
  
  In the words of “what’s in it for wynston”‘s pr girl… not here, don’t care and there’s no camera here.
  
  “diversity
  
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  April 7, 2019 8:25pm
nasska

The band Starship were in South Auckland recently. They chatted with a few single mothers & were inspired to rewrite one of their most famous songs.

The lyrics are now, ‘We built this city on cock & dole’.
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April 7, 2019 6:26pm
Tall Man

The issue is “dogma”. You used the right word.

“a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.”

They will walk down a path to their own destruction and happily take you and the rest of us with them.

My question has always been, why do the refugees want to come to here, Australia, USA etc….. why don’t they line up for the wonderfully successful socialist countries…..
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April 7, 2019 6:39pm
waikatogirl

If you want to see how well socialism works (not) watch a great movie on Netflix called “The Boy Who Harnessed the Wind”. Uplifting and outstanding.
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April 7, 2019 6:55pm
- Tall Man
  
  Thanks. It looks interesting.
  
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  April 7, 2019 8:20pm
Rachael Membery

Times they are a changing.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12219513
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April 7, 2019 9:34pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Who knew that Mormons also had apostasy.
  
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  April 7, 2019 10:53pm
V

https://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-op-norm-pattis-alex-jones-0406-20190405-howpjy3tq5eqhcvttscjbcawhq-story.html

Good opinion piece here.
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April 7, 2019 11:10pm
softail 1450

OMG ,Just saw Tim Barnett on the TV, the useless prick is manoeuvring himself ever nearer that coveted public trough he knows so well .
Not sure if Robertson has employed him yet but it’s only a matter of time i guess ,with his credentials (his gayness) he cant miss a plum position in the COL.
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April 8, 2019 6:37am
- Maggie Pie
  
  “He put in his thumb and pulled out a plum” 🙂
  
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