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Happychappy

This is the same lot that criticized National for not looking after the teachers.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/some-teachers-paid-less-than-minimum-wage-after-bureaucratic-blunder
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April 4, 2019 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  This is the same lot taking rifles off the licensed and legal.
  
  ‘Government rejects National’s request for firearms prohibition orders in new gun law’
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111772776/government-rejects-nationals-request-for-firearms-prohibition-orders-in-new-gun-law
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    Too many voters in there……..bro.
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:38am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Looking at current gun law legislation, none of it does anything to change what occurred in CHC.
    The government will pay a fortune to legally abiding citizens, the gangs, drug cartels,and crims will carry on unabated.
    I pissed myself laughing when I read some details will be reported in a book held by a dealer, a book, surely in this age a central register of all guns owned isn’t impossible.
    Victorian law, police know what rifles or guns I own. And all ammunition I buy. They inspect my gun cupboard and turn up unannounced.
    These current amendments are pissing in the wind.
    No one knows who has what guns in NZ and never will.
    My advice, start arming police, all police, give them same powers Australian police have search wise.
    I own guns for vermin on farm and putting sheep out of their misery.
    I am happy for police to come anytime they like, I abide by the law.
    I suspect that many individuals in NZ as in Australia flout the law.
    Either police have power to fight this or just roll over and wait for the next tragedy.
    The last thing you want is licensed gun dealers offside and being pushed financially.
    I found it just unexcuseable that police took the time they did to shut this guy down in CHC, it will happen again and nothing in these amendments will stop it.
    Goodies will get a heap of cash, baddies will sit on cache for down the road.
    
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    April 4, 2019 12:47pm
- freethinker
  
  Simple short term fix – calculate what a Teachers hours are multiply by minimum wage rate, deduct gross amount already paid over period of error(Another Nova Pay stuff up) and pay out the difference today. I am available to the Ministry for common sense advice at the same rate as Cullen. I can also provide my own calculator in th package, SARC
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:42am
- rightoverlabour
  
  It’s the same bunch that can’t pay teachers more but they got untold billions to buy back firearms and unsold houses. Teachers should be burning down the classrooms…..
  
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  April 4, 2019 2:10pm
fernglas

Can anyone else understand Brexit? It seems that Parliament is about to pass legislation making a no deal Brexit illegal. How on earth can that bind Europe? If it wasn’t so serious, it would be hilarious.
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April 4, 2019 8:07am
- Shut the hell up you Fascist!
  
  I wonder what Jassi Adhern is gonna screw up today in the name of New Zealand on her Long March to the United Nations?
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:11am
- peterwn
  
  Anything’s possible given the current climate. There was a radio play years ago (before Yes Minister) about a couple oh Whitehall bureaucrats who got fed up with being nasty to people and wanted to help people. They set up an Ombudsman’s office and did it within the black letter of the law and even the auditors had to give them a clean bill of health. The top mandarins went right back through old laws to try and trip them up and found a law written in Norman-French that forbade the setting up of an ombudsman’s office, the penalty being the rack. The two bureaucrats were informed of this and told a bit of WD40 would soon get the rack operational again. This was all far fetched.
  The British Government told the media not to publish April Fool Brexit stories to stop panic buying of toilet paper etc. Seems in this case there was a very real ancient law covering this still on the books with the penalty of having ribs crushed.
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:36am
- freethinker
  
  Its really quite simple May is a total liar and incompetent, she says the UK will leave but deviously and behind the scenes acts to prevent leaving as she probably has an EU job waiting when she resigns. There is doubt if the extension to April 12 is legal as the referendum reflected the judgment of the UK highest court – the voters and the Govt accepted the result because it was binding. March 29 was leave day deal or no deal and whatever May or parliament legislates is subordinate to the decision of the referendum already made and accepted.
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:48am
  - Sacha
    
    @ freethinker: Whatever, she must have an enormous capacity for deviousness, and juggling her ‘options’, and keeping all in the air simultaneously.
    I’d be exhausted and confused – actually I already am confused, lol.
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:09am
  - Tall Man
    
    “May is a total liar”
    
    I know another one closer to home……..
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:39am
  - Ross12
    
    For those interested in the economic side of the argument this guy has done a series of articles, based on official data, on how belonging to the Customs Union has not really helped the UK at all
    
    https://brexitcentral.com/pointlessness-eu-customs-union-exposed/
    
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    April 4, 2019 1:04pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    This has little to do with PM May. The UK decided on Brexit, the EU were given the formal withdrawal and don’t like it. The withdrawal stands. Terms depend on what favours the EU wants to grant: plainly none.
    It’s right for Britain to exit the controllers of Brussels. Freedom is worth it but there will be a period of adjustment required. I expect within a few months there will be a general accommodation and life will be largely normal again. The EU need to trade too.
    
    It’s foolish to imagine that would there not be a brief period of strangeness at this stage. Officials need to talk to each other about short term practicalities. At present the UK Parliament looks like a bunch of Chicken Littles: the sky is not falling, it will still be in place tomorrow.
    
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    April 4, 2019 3:47pm
- Ross12
  
  Juncker warned British MPs today, that they must ratify Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement by next Friday and added, “The only ones who will benefit from a no deal are those that are against a world order based on rules.”
  
  Does that help fernglas ? World Order control !?
  
  Apparently Macron is pushing for all EU countries to lose control of running their own elections. Instead a group from Brussels will move in to oversee them. These guys are getting absolutely desperate.
  
  On the plus side we have this
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6882583/Former-appeal-judge-says-legality-Brexit-extension-tested-court.html
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:55am
  - fernglas
    
    A rules based world order is pretty much what we have had for years, isn’t it? It’s called international law and governs relationships between nations, in the same way as criminal and other domestic law governs the relationships between citizens. Or am I missing something sinister?
    
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    April 4, 2019 10:08am
    - Ross12
      
      Are you suggesting that if the UK moves out of the EU it will not be governing itself under international law? Of course it will.
      I am sure you understand what Juncker is referring to —a World Government, that is the grand, long term plan.
      Just for your interest have a look at this video when you have time.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m41Tdl5mvdg
      
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      April 4, 2019 12:44pm
      - John Warren
        
        The wet dream of every Socialist.
        
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        April 4, 2019 5:47pm
- 453mm
  
  This video from CGP Grey explains the unsolvable problem with Brexit (assuming it is correct).
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Yv24cM2os
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:06am
KevO'Brien

If Ardern didn’t know what she was doing she’s foolish; if she did she’s …

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/04/01/592321/New-Zealand-Prime-Minister-Jacinda-Ardern-US-President-Donald-Trump
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April 4, 2019 8:09am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I threw up a little in my mouth
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:30am
  - John Warren
    
    So did I.
    
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    April 4, 2019 5:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  “if she did she’s …”
  
  David won’t let me say it.
  
  Shame really as it is the most accurate description of her.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:36am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    As previously mentioned? Perhaps?
    
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    April 4, 2019 12:41pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Definitely.
      
      What a shameful media we now have.
      
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      April 4, 2019 1:05pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Apples and Oranges
  
  In New Zealand one lunatic caused the deaths of 50 people on one day.
  In USA an ideology killed 3,000, injured 6,000, destroyed 10 buildings and 3 airliners in one day.
  
  Hardly a wonder that POTUS sees islamic immigration in a different light than the Prime Minister of New Zealand.
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:24pm
Simon

Basically Labo’s Capital Gains tax will raise just enough money to pay off NZ First’s shake down each election cycle.
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April 4, 2019 8:16am
- artemisia
  
  Any CGT revenue will not kick in significantly (if at all) for years. NZ First will be long gone.
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:57am
  - sooty
    
    If they last till the next election!
    Things are not looking good. First Whinney then Shane.
    Poor Cindy will be tearing her hair out!
    Them blank pages in Whinneys document are coming back to haunt her!
    Ha Ha. Selected. Not elected!
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:38am
kowtow

Rugby NZ own the Crusader name and it’s theirs to change if they want.

But what a silly PC over reaction.

If anything it only draws attention to how out of touch the elites are.

One very unfunny and activist “comedian” wrote a stupid virtue signalling opinion piece several years ago , the media then rehashed it on the back of an appalling tragedy , and senior NZ rugby types show they’re a bunch of PC cucks.
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April 4, 2019 8:21am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Can I suggest, if they do decide to change the name, the new name be The Snowflakes, which is a direct reference to the beautiful snow covered alps that are always ever present on the Canterbury horizon.
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:30am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Perfect! ?
    ❄️ ❄️ ❄️
    
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    April 4, 2019 8:52am
  - artemisia
    
    Someone suggested the Quakers. Nothing to do with boots of course.
    
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    April 4, 2019 8:56am
    - sooty
      
      Canterbury Cupcakes!
      
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      April 4, 2019 9:41am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Rugby McRugby Face is almost certain to be available . . . .
        
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        April 4, 2019 2:17pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    If rectifying the past to achieve some sort of balance is the objective, they could call themselves “The Muslims” for the next 23 years then revert back to “The Crusaders” in 2042.
    
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    April 4, 2019 10:27am
  - Nutta
    
    The “Sharia Scimitars” is most likely in the current climate.
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:56pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partnwer came up with what he thort would be a good compromise name –
  ‘The Canterbury Halalers’.
  He reckons it would work well when the team does the Kapa o Pango
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:33am
  - david
    
    But they would have to face towards Mecca to perform it and you do know how the compass wanders about the horizon don’t you?
    
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    April 4, 2019 5:01pm
- cmm
  
  Rugby NZ have already shown that with their massive push for “equality” in rugby.
  
  I see hockey is also going down the gurgler with coaches getting in trouble for being too demanding.
  
  People want to watch sports to see amazing feats of athletic ability, not equality.
  
  Soon we will see All Blacks having to lose to Fiji every now and then to be “fair”.
  
  Oh well, if you want to watch rugby you can always find some old games on youtube, unless youtube cut them for being toxic masculinity.
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:48am
- graham
  
  You do realise this is only the start, don’t you? I predict a whole slew of changes in the coming months and years:
  
  – Next to change will be the Warriors (“far too aggressive in these enlightened times”).
  – Then the Highlanders (“named after the early Scottish settlers in the lower South Island, so that harks back to colonialism”)
  – The Melbourne Rebels (“not allowed to be rebellious”)
  – The All Blacks (“RACIST!!!”)
  – The All Whites (“RACIST!!!”)
  – The Black Sticks (“RACIST!!! And sexually suggestive with the whole ‘stick’ thing going on”)
  – The White Ferns (“RACIST!!!”)
  – The Blackjacks Bowls teams (“RACIST!!! And related to gambling”)
  
  Then there’ll be all the placenames, statues, street names, etc. that SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE is offended by … a good number of our towns are probably named after people associated with the colonial settlers, or some famous General somewhere that somebody will decide is no longer a suitable role model for these enlightened times.
  
  This could go on for years!
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:56am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    How many people are killed by Hurricanes each year? Surely that needs to be changed too. Perhaps they could be called the “warm fuzzies”
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:14am
    - david
      
      Or the Cold Fronts
      
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      April 4, 2019 5:03pm
  - alien
    
    No not the start, just usual over reactions from some people here. Btw, the crusaders when given the name didn’t like it or want it.
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:18am
    - lofty
      
      Prove it.
      
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      April 4, 2019 8:16pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    One can almost feel the self-hatred. It can’t be good for them.
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:20am
  - sooty
    
    Then you get into changing Christchurchs name!
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:40am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Yes – Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch – all these places will need to be re-named; and that’s just for starters. They’re already trying it to sub in Maori names.
    
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    April 4, 2019 11:26am
    - waikatogirl
      
      What if we find Maori atrocities in history distasteful? Or does irrational snowflakery only go one way?
      
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      April 4, 2019 2:16pm
  - tf78
    
    Just ban the ban’s – job done.
    
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    April 4, 2019 11:36am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Think of all the new merchandising opportunities. As a brand they have been successful, do the players get to vote on a new name, I would assume otherwise it could be a psychological issue and they could lose.
    
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    April 4, 2019 12:45pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    I reckon the hockey team should be changed to the “Stickmen”. There, that’d sort it…..
    
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    April 4, 2019 2:16pm
  - lofty
    
    You have very conveniently forgotten the men’s national badminton team, “ the Black Cocks “ ?
    
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    April 4, 2019 8:14pm
  - Nutta
    
    The “Beehive” is insensitive to those with bee allergies. Just sayin…
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:58pm
- Billy Collins
  
  To be compared to crusaders is like being compared to ANZACs. If the managers of the team think there is something shameful or insensitive about the name, then they don’t deserve to have the name.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:01am
- Tricati
  
  I heard Crusaders admin staff have been subject to some horrendous e/mails and phone calls from those that oppose the name – I hope they don’t change their name, as to do so, gives credence to these nasty insidious people.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:39am
- 453mm
  
  What surprises me is that the word “Crusaders” is offensive to those who take offense at that sort of thing, yet no one has said anything about the word “Christchurch”.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:09am
- MickMac
  
  Kowtow
  10:09
  That’s .
  Steve Tew right?
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:11am
- Wangas Feral
  
  They change the name because of some misguided and lunatic PC appeasement then I end nearly fifty years of rugby support – as a player, coach, team manager, fund-raiser and supporter. That is all rugby. I wont have anything to do with it again. I am sick of this constant abasement to the god of the Muslims and their sensibilities – even when they didn’t ask for said abasement.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:20am
- godruelf
  
  I liked the guy on facebook who asked if they were going to bring in a Jersey buyback scheme.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:22am
- Surely Knott
  
  And it’s bigger than just the Crusaders. If the Crusaders have to change their name what about other uses of the word. The word Crusade means the holy wars, but it is also defined as
  1. lead or take part in a vigorous campaign for social, political, or religious change.
  eg. “a crusading stance on poverty”
  Is the word Crusade now going to be a word that will be erased from language altogether.
  
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  April 4, 2019 11:20am
  - Maria
    
    The word ‘crusade’ has the same etymology as ‘croissant’. Literally it means ‘marked with the Cross’.
    
    A Crusader is someone who is marked with the Cross.
    
    Without the actions of the Crusaders, (Thomas Madden, a medievalist is the best expert scholar on the Crusades), all Europe would have become Islamic territory.
    
    So I am proud to have been born free because of that history, including the Battle of Lepanto, which sadly no anglophile educated child would learn about.
    
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    April 4, 2019 1:03pm
    - kowtow
      
      Lepanto . GK Chesterton .
      
      There’s no way that would find its way into the modern ciricullum.
      
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      April 4, 2019 4:14pm
    - Billy Collins
      
      As any historian of the crusades would tell you, the Crusades were ultimately for a noble end, to reclaim land that Muslims took by force, and stop the taking of more. They were ultimately defensive. Sadly many people, especially a lot of Muslims, have been convinced of the popular modern myth (and it is a genuine myth) that the crusades were some kind of Christian imperialistic conquest.
      
      https://www.firstthings.com/article/2005/06/crusaders-and-historians
      
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      April 4, 2019 11:00pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  The word “Crusades” only became common in the mid 1700’s to describe the holy wars between Catholics and Muslims between 1000 and 1300. So it should be offensive to anyone, anywhere at all. The the two words that should be banned are Catholic and Muslim if this stupidity were to be carried forward to its ultimate outcome.
  Also, the middle east “crusades” were not the ONLY “crusades”. There was the Wendish “crusade”, the Albigenesian “crusade” and the Bosnian “crusade”.
  
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  April 4, 2019 2:27pm
hullkiwi

When did Jones become First Citizen of the Provinces and who (was stupid enough) to annoy Jones as First Citizen of the Provinces.

Let’s get some matters straight:
1. Jones is a loud mouth blow hard;
2. Outside of Whanarei & the Far North, he has a limited knowledge and understanding of Provincial NZ; and
3. If he is First Citizen of the Provinces why does he not listen and support provincial and district councils instead of trying to buy votes with a slush fund provided by the NZ taxpayer?

Jones is a lot of things, but he is not First Citizen of the Provinces.
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April 4, 2019 8:23am
- waikatogirl
  
  Self-nominated, self-anointed. Jones is his biggest fan.
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:55am
  - sooty
    
    Creme dela creme of politicans?
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:44am
  - freethinker
    
    Add – and only (Fan)
    
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    April 4, 2019 10:34am
G152

And when (not if) there is another attack upon the west by a Muslim are the Muslim nations of the world going to tie themselves in knots about the attack ??????????
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April 4, 2019 8:36am
- Sacha
  
  There have been several the past couple of weeks – haven’t noticed any knots yet.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:13am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I bet won’t be gathering in crowds holding candlelight vigils fingering rosary beads to show solidarity with their Christian brothers
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:35am
- MickMac
  
  G152
  10:10
  Is Adhern and NZ?
  Will the NZ Muslim Community ?
  
  Sadly, the chances are the victims will most likely be Muslims too.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:13am
- freethinker
  
  NO – see link – 120 Christians Murdered in Nig eria 17/3. When I see Ayatollah A***hole or a leading Islamic cleric denounce and offer the same level of remorse and assistance to the relatives of those murdered then there is hope of reconciliation, until then I continue to believe that most Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are Islamic.
  https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2019/march/nigerian-christians-under-siege-attacks-claim-120-lives-since-february-nbsp
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:40am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, and only then will the libs see the cuckoo in the nest.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:45am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Only if it is in NZ.
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:49pm
Jules99

OK, what odds am I given for a call for Muslim prayers at Easter?
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April 4, 2019 8:38am
hullkiwi

You have to feel sorry for the residents of the Franz Josef District who are being told by their Regional Govt and local MP, – tough, we’re not going to help you and stop playing politics, because we don’t care about you.

Yet on the other hand, because in the current political climate it is expedient for the Minister of Police to tell Gun Shop owners, “we’re not going to buy unsold banned guns from you. You’re going to have to sell them back to your suppliers.” Like that is going to happen – when in every case the guns have been bought from an overseas supplier on a special import licence, and recognizing the supplier is under no obligation to buy back stock sold to NZ. So, how many gun shops are going to go out of business because the govt at a stroke of a pen chose to make illegal what had always been a legal trade.

Both these events shows we have a government who are happy to pick winners and losers for reasons of expediency. That makes them NO government for NZ or New Zealanders.
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April 4, 2019 8:39am
- srylands
  
  That’s interesting. In the Australian buy back scheme in 1996 following the Port Arthur massacre, stock held by gun owners was bought back at retail price.
  
  https://jade.io/j/?a=outline&id=278609
  
  Whether they can sell back to suppliers will depend entirely on the relationship each gun owner has. They will be over a barrel.
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  One could say that this gubmint talks “inclusiveness” but doesn’t put our money where it’s mouth is .
  
  Anyone who thinks ” Fuck the gun owners , not my issue ” is very sadly mistaken because the buy back and subsequent changes ie Register are going to cost the tax payer a king’s ransom. But that won’t matter to this lot , it’s always OPM.
  
  But they’ll look good in the eyes of the media , local and international. Rockstar blah blah.
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:59am
- cmm
  
  The intent is surely to bankrupt as many gun shops as possible.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:13am
- MickMac
  
  Hulkiwi
  10:12
  Taranaki…
  Oil and Gas Industry…
  1000 of people livelihoods cut off….
  ordinary New Zealanders…
  
  Jacinda Adhern and The Labour Party, Greens and NZ1st have form….
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:15am
  - hullkiwi
    
    They certainly do.
    
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    April 4, 2019 3:24pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Gun shop owners should be compensated too if their sales are frozen and losses incurred. The govt is sovereign and can probably not be sued for their actions. However the moral obligation is there not to case mayhem and suffering, even if doing some right. All affected should be treated equally.
  
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  April 4, 2019 4:00pm
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Poll on AM Show

Is changing the name of the Crusaders an over reaction?

YES 87%
NO 13%
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April 4, 2019 8:40am
- RW Capitalist
  
  The actual history has gone by the wayside, in this attempt to be touchy feely.
  Causes of the First Crusade
  
  The first and most important action to spark off the fuse which would eventually burn down to the explosion of the First Crusade was the rise of the Muslim Seljuks, a Turkish tribe of the steppe. The Seljuks won significant victories in Asia Minor against Byzantine armies, notably at the Battle of Manzikert in ancient Armenia in August 1071 CE. As a consequence, they gained control of such great cities as Edessa and Antioch and, c. 1078 CE, the Seljuks created the Sultanate of Rum with their capital at Nicaea in Bithynia in northwest Asia Minor. By 1087 CE they had taken control of Jerusalem.
  Byznatine = Christian
  Note…the invaders were Muslim the defenders (including the Crusaders) were Christian.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:10am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7y2LRcf4kc
    
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    April 4, 2019 12:47pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Very interesting. Jihad continues to this day.
      
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      April 4, 2019 2:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  Gosh, what a massive vote for change. 13%, almost doubt the vote the PM and his party of liars gained in the general election.
  
  13% is obviously a massive majority so….let’s do this.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:30am
- MickMac
  
  WaikatoGirl
  10:14
  will Steve Tew listen???
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:16am
  - kowtow
    
    He should . Because a lot of cretins are going to blame Muslims for this , wrongly .
    
    More unintended consequences of do gooderisms.
    
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    April 4, 2019 11:59am
cmm

DPF: I hope you will permit me the use of the L word here.

It looks like making any submissions on gun laws today is a waste of time. The submissions have already closed.

We lave been lied to by liars.

According to Stuff:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111776550/20-submitters-to-speak-on-gun-law-at-finance-and-expenditure-select-committee
” Meanwhile, those who submitted comments after Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced the gun law change and urged people to have a say, would not be included as official submitters on the bill.

However, Wood said the committee would unofficially consider the feedback and keep the comments on board.

“They won’t form part of the official evidence that the Select Committee considers because the committee’s job is to examine the legislation and we can only respond to evidence about the legislation and because they made the comments before legislation was tabled, they are not officially included.”

The committee sits from 9am until about 4.30pm on Thursday April 4.”

“Unofficially consider” my hairy arse!

I doubt there is any way for select committees to “unofically consider” anything.

All they will do is cherry pick those that say gunz-is-evil give-them-hugz.

There was no need for this urgency. Urgency can be addresses by the Order of COuncil (or whatever its called) to bridge the gap for proper decision making.

All that has happened is that they have used emotion to subvert normal democratic processes.

This is indeed the lowest point of NZ democracy ever.

For the record I have no interests in owning semi-automatic rifles or high capacity shotguns that these law changes apply to.
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April 4, 2019 8:43am
- jcuk
  
  I have not used a gun since serving in UK army as my National Service and was in my regimental rifle team. Apart from a an air-gun which my son wanted in his youth.
  I would point out that guns do not kill people except when a human pulls the trigger or handles it carelessly.
  Currently and since those early days [ 60 plus years ago] I have no interest in the matter.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:11am
- Tall Man
  
  “For the record I have no interests in owning semi-automatic rifles or high capacity shotguns that these law changes apply to.”
  
  Same here but I endorse all your comments.
  
  It is a dark day for democracy when the idiots over rule the sane by fear.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:28am
Lee C

The hijab is a sign of female oppression. Many females in the muslim world protest against its enforcement and face great personal risk for doing so.

When Jacinda Ardern wore it after the Christchurch massacre, in her culture, it signalled empathy with muslim victims.

However, the muslim women and men in many of the pics were quickly sidelined, and a semiotic narrative inferring a kind of ‘sainthood’ was applied to her image, and shamelessly disseminated on social media.

In my opinion it was white-guilt turned to political advantage, and infantalised the victims.

Her image, transmitted onto the side of a building in Saudi Arabia in their culture signalled to the muslim world that Jacinda Ardern, self-professed feminist and upholder of womens’ rights, was endorsing ‘submission’ to Islam. But in our culture, it was interpreted as showing her beatific credentials. Naive.

Jacinda Ardern voted against having the compulsory Christian prayer in Parliament. Yet made a ‘captain’s call’ to not only play the Islamic call to prayer, but to broadcast it on the radio.
“Allahu Akbar
God is Great
(said four times)
Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah
I bear witness that there is no god except the One God.
(said two times)
Ashadu anna Muhammadan Rasool Allah
I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of God.
(said two times)
Hayya ‘ala-s-Salah
Hurry to the prayer (Rise up for prayer)
(said two times)
Hayya ‘ala-l-Falah
Hurry to success (Rise up for Salvation)
(said two times)
Allahu Akbar
God is Great
[said two times]
La ilaha illa Allah
There is no god except the One God”.

The emotional response was understandable. But it symbolises to me, the way that emotion and cold reason can work against each other.

It also shows how it can be exploited for political gain.

In this spirit, I would ask the current administration to resile from Hasty legislation which sets a dangerous precedent of allowing emotion to make laws. We are not at war.

a) hasty legislation about fire-arms
b) hasty legislation about ‘hate’ speech.
c) culturally ignorant patronising of muslims.
d) politically expedient vilifying of people who may disagree with you by inferring they are white supremacist sympathisers.
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April 4, 2019 8:47am
- simpleton1
  
  c) , culturally + religiosity, and racially ignorant patronising of muslims.
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:54am
- waikatogirl
  
  Keep up the virtue signalling in all areas by the CoL. It’s simply marvellous, wonderful and excellent for the result at the next election. //
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:03am
- Sacha
  
  Jacinda Ardern didn’t wear a hajib. She wore a large scarf draped over her head, in much the same style as sporty girls wear them to watch their boyfriends play at boisterous games.
  Dear God – who will rid me of this pestilence?
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:21am
  - cmm
    
    hijab, shmeejab… It was worn for the purpose of a hijab and the world took it as such.
    
    It was not worn to keep the wind out of her hair.
    
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    April 4, 2019 2:32pm
- Scott
  
  Lee C – I have always thought that it was a great mistake to broadcast the Muslim call to prayer across our nation. In that prayer it explicitly states that “Mohammed is the messenger of God”. Now if Mohammed is the messenger of God then we should all become Muslim.
  
  I’m not sure if many New Zealanders are ready for that?
  
  Everyone feels bad about what happened in Christchurch. However our sympathy and our compassion should not overwhelm our prudence.
  
  By broadcasting the Muslim call to prayer then the sovereignty of Allah and the status of Mohammed as the messenger of God is given our consent.
  
  I don’t want our nation to become Muslim land. Our sympathy for the slain and their families does not mean we should sell out our nation and its Western Christian heritage for which our ancestors fought and died.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:25am
- cmm
  
  Symbolism is dangerous because different people see things differently. The intended symbolism is lost.
  
  When the leader of an army hands over his sword, it signifies the the whole army has been beaten and is giving up to the victors.
  
  Many will likely see our PM’s putting on a submissive hijab the same way: NZ has been conquered and has become a vassal of the caliphate.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:31am
  - burt
    
    NZ has been conquered and has become a vassal of the caliphate, it’s citisens are being disarmed and laws are being passed to stop them speaking out against Sharia law.
    
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    April 4, 2019 10:30am
Im Right

Seems Shane Jones will single handedly put a big wedge in this COL government, every week it seems he is up to something shady and questionable. Why oh why does National not hammer this in QT or release statements targeting his dodgy actions…..has Winnie got something on National?, it’s the only reason I can come up with regarding their lack of (warranted) attack on Jones!
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April 4, 2019 8:49am
- RF
  
  Im Right.
  
  National will not get anywhere during question time with the current speaker.
  
  He is just a one eyed bully.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:18am
  - RF
    
    2 hours still in moderation for being critical of the parliament speaker.
    
    Why do I bother…….
    
    What’s the song from Sound of Music..
    
    So long farewell Auf Wiedersehen, goodnight.
    
    Pathetic…..
    
    (Mod: Even Moderators have a life 😀 )
    
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    April 4, 2019 11:19am
    - RF
      
      Mod. Apologies….. Point taken. I was just frustrated – I know you are doing a good job. ❤️
      
      I was under the impression you had taken more
      mods on board to look after us.
      
      I know the solution is in my hands but I do not wish to be outed.
      
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      April 4, 2019 4:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Has “what’s in it for wynston” got something on National”.
  
  Seriously? Please explain how allowing the fat windbag more time to stand up and grandstand in the “house” where he can lie under priviledge without sanction and refuse to give a straight answer to anything..with the full support of the speaker going to achieve anything.
  
  It will not get “press” so it would only be a performance for the tiny group of people who actually watch question time.
  
  Can you not read the mood of the electorate and the people in it?
  
  The whole country is getting heartily sick of that man and leaving him to his own devices is the best thing to do.
  
  The longer he has to bullshit the bigger his bullshit will become until the coalition members self destruct.
  
  Attacking labour, the vile greens and the blowhards may give a few moments of personal pleasure but will backfire as the “poor little pr girl” will be upset and the media will rush in for a cuddle.
  
  There is a big picture here and a plan at play.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:23am
  - Micky
    
    Fat windbag blowhard? Sounds like a description of Troll Man. Someone definitely needs to get out more.
    
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    April 4, 2019 8:30pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Maybe National know it’s better in the bigger picture for the oaf not to be fired now. The more time he gets on their front line, the more damage he will do.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:58am
Happychappy

You can always tell when support for the Winston First Party are in deep trouble with very low poll figures, out comes Winston playing the blame game on Mike Hosking and John Key on the farming show yesterday. The trouble the more he bleets the more people say they have had a guts full of him and his party because of his lies and deceit over Immigration, Maori and his rebel MP’S. They also know that to blame John Key is all about him and the dislike National hold him because he is a nasty vicious person that has slandered others under Parliamentry Privilege and the take court action over his Pension payments being released without evidence to support his allegations.
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April 4, 2019 8:52am
brett68

Why is Bridges such a clown?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/111761312/emotional-junior-staffer-in-dispute-with-national-party-following-un-petition-deletion
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April 4, 2019 8:55am
- Tall Man
  
  Why are you so worried about Simon Bridges?
  
  With all the drama unfolding today around shane jones corruption, the suspension of democracy over the firearms legislation, the think that rocks your boat is an employment dispute between an “emotional” staffer and parliamentary services.
  
  Do you even have the slightest idea about what the issue is or is it just a “goody..Simon Bridges” moment for you…..as usual?
  
  You need to get out more.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:08am
- Simon
  
  Because National want to be “moderate” ie soft left (let their branding take care of the right) they hire / appoint & attract a lot of Louise Mensch type affirmative action mental cases.
  
  Reap what you sow.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:14am
- cmm
  
  National has always been Labour Lite and Bridges double so.
  
  As the Overton Window veers left like a drunkard after an extra bottle of turps, National is now left of where Labour were just 15 years ago.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:16am
  - brett68
    
    God, it’s depressing.
    
    Ardern and Labour are hopeless, this is probably the worst most irresponsible government I’ve seen, yet National’s handing them another term on a plate.
    
    I’m seriously wondering if it’s not intentional.
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:20am
    - cmm
      
      18 months… still 18 months…
      
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      April 4, 2019 3:58pm
  - sooty
    
    When are we going to have a change of leaders in national?
    This one is past his use by date!
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:48am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Is he allowed to do anything? Amazing that the only things that get printed about Simon don’t show him in a leadership light.
  
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  April 4, 2019 1:37pm
Tall Man

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12219106

My question is: Why do we need to send 3 “journalists” to Fiji to look into a scandal there when we have, quite possibly, one of the largest political scandals brewing in our own backyard?

Sorry, second question:

Can someone explain to me why Fiji’s corruption overshadows our own?
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April 4, 2019 8:56am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It’s a weapon of mass distraction.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:15am
  - lofty
    
    Perfect answer…
    
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    April 4, 2019 8:29pm
- alien
  
  1 journalist, 1 cameraman and an editor. Why send them, because we have good ties with Fiji and a large Fijian community in nz. Also they have more than one journalist at news hub so they can report on multiple stories at once.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:23am
- cmm
  
  “one of the largest political scandals”
  
  Geez, please give us a hint which one that is.
  
  They’re piled so deep you can’t see the bottom:
  * Handley
  * Sroubek
  * Fingergate
  * Compost instead of trees and some dodgy looking handouts there
  * Buying houses that wont sell for “Kiwibuild”
  * Jones, at least once a week.
  * Lying to us about gun law processes.
  
  I’m sure I could think of more.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s my point.
    
    The coalition will have to swallow a ton of dead rats on this one with jones.
    
    The question is: Is personal integrity of higher value than the gaining of baubles……..
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:46am
  - G152
    
    Wood the labour kids conference get a mention
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:47am
    - sooty
      
      (Mod: Nice try, but DPF has already ruled that unacceptable. Take this as a friendly warning 🙂 )
      
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      April 4, 2019 2:51pm
- MCos
  
  “We” didn’t send them there, Newsroom did, looking for a story
  They can investigate whatever they like, within the law.
  I don’t know how things work in Fiji, but I suspect it’s not in the interest of the local police for the boat to be rocked by outsiders
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:35am
sooty

Which kindy is Cindy unpacking her crayons at today?
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April 4, 2019 8:57am
Odakyu-sen

Is the RSA being used to honor victims instead of those who served their country?

But then, what is the future of the RSA?
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April 4, 2019 8:57am
- waikatogirl
  
  The RSA has come out and said all are welcome to attend ANZAC services but are not making an official invitation to muslim to say a prayer.
  
  So muslim will be treated like everyone else. Sounds fair.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:13am
- Yvette
  
  A decision to invite a Muslim cleric to say a prayer at an Anzac Day service has sparked an anguished backlash from veterans.
  
  Odakyu-sen, giiven the reputed profile of those who supposedly vote for Winston, I look forward to his comments on this.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:14am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    NZ is NOT a Muslim nation. There should be only Christian prayer at the Anzac services. Other nations are taking our acceding to Islamic practices as NZ joining them.
    
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    April 4, 2019 4:08pm
    - simpleton1
      
      Foreign Minister Winston Peters, at the invite of the ‘Organisation of Islamic Cooperation’ in Turkey sure was recognized with acclamation and tears, so that acceding is already recognized. ?
      
      I can tell you I’ve been off to see 57 countries, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, who have got a serious round of applause and some people actually crying in the aisles when we told them the truth about New Zealand and showed them a video https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/02-04-2019/winston-peters-media-rounds-this-morning-were-an-absolute-tour-de-force/
      
      It seems we are getting there, and Ardern’s call of the adhan across the land has been well recognized, so it seems it is expected to be normalized.
      Dare you go against, racism, religiosity, cultural-ism.
      In the interests of NZ leading the world, and punching above its weight, I do wonder if we could have a muslima call the adhan, in the interests of aiding islamic reform? 🙂
      
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      April 4, 2019 4:40pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        No Adhan at any NZ official function.
        
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        April 4, 2019 6:01pm
- Tall Man
  
  How can you label adversaries in a war as “victims”.
  
  Any soldier who is killed in the attempt to kill another is certainly not a victim and unless my limited knowledge of history has deserted me, the “allies” lost the Gallipoli campaign so it is our “dead” that could more corrrectly call “victims” if that word must be used.
  
  “Virtue signalling” is the new “sport” and it would appear that the RSA, of which I am a member, is not immune to it.
  
  However, in fairness, there were quite a few Turks killed in that campaign so maybe it is time to honour the dead on both sides. One hundred years has passed so maybe a little consideration can be given this year.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:14am
  - greybeard
    
    The Ataturk Memorial in Wellington has been the venue for just such “consideration” for years.
    Nothing new here.
    
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    April 4, 2019 4:34pm
- Fletch
  
  This is in reference to the RSA wanting to include a Muslim prayer on ANZAC Day? Going a little too far, methinks, especially since during the war Hitler met with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and a division of Muslim SS troops was even established. They had a common enemy – the Jews.
  
  https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/muslim-waffen-ss-13th-division-1943/
  
  https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/MAGAZINE-revealed-photos-of-palestinian-mufti-visiting-nazi-germany-1.5483980
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:50am
  - rangitoto
    
    In the first world war the Arabs were mostly fighting on the side of the Anzacs against the Ottomans. So there were Moslems on both sides of the conflict.
    
    Given the Turks are magnanimous to allow the Anzac commemorations in their country, I don’t really have a problem with it.
    
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    April 4, 2019 12:10pm
    - kowtow
      
      It’s called tourism .
      And given that the Gallipoli peninsula used to be inhabited by Greek Christians who were deported in what amounted to another genocide by the Ottomans in the First World War , I don’t think the Turks are in much of a position to take any high moral ground at all.
      
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      April 4, 2019 12:28pm
Nukuleka

NZers had nothing to do with the appalling terrorist act. NZers have nothing to be ashamed about in connection with that attack. NZers should not in any way be punished or penalized because of that attack. We should instead be proud of our country and its traditions of fair play and build on what our forebears have created instead if allowing people with extreme ideas to try to divide and destroy our nation. Time to resist Marama Davidson and her extremist ilk and to stand up for traditional kiwi values as embodied in the ANZAC spirit.
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April 4, 2019 9:05am
lastmanstanding

Genuine criticism is not hate speech.
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April 4, 2019 9:13am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Unless you believe that criticism is treason.
  
  (Which it is, in wartime.)
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:16am
- simpleton1
  
  Genuine Criticism, may win in some parts, then there is always another cog to wear it out.
  
  Religousity? Culturally? Racism? Genderism?
  The ratchets that are used to set precedents into our laws with facts that have great feelings, that should not be offended.
  
  The education, academia, political, media system is geared, not to facts, but feelings.
  
  The sad (feelings) fact, is that many people died in an event in Christchurch, so factually it all adds up that something must be done, so it will not happen again.
  Just like the guy with a red flag that should be walking in front of a vehicle.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:29am
lilman

RSA are right, I stand with them as they stood and battled,as well as died, for their rights to decide as free new zealanders.
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April 4, 2019 9:14am
lastmanstanding

I note the Prime Minister and certain Green MPs who are quick to accuse White Men of all things bad have made no comment on the changes to Brunei laws that will see gays stoned to death and women who have abortions punished.

Yet another example of their refusal to criticise a certain religion and failing to stand up for the rights of Gays and Women.
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April 4, 2019 9:17am
- alien
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jacinda-ardern-speaks-against-new-brunei-law-punishing-gay-sex-death-stoning
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Acting PM, Winston Peters was given that job
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/03/acting-prime-minister-winston-peters-condemns-brunei-s-homophobic-new-law.html
  
  Our PM was up in China straightening them out about their treatment of their Moslem citizens
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/jacinda-ardern-keeps-quiet-on-comments-to-chinese-government-about-human-rights-abuses.html
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:28am
  - simpleton1
    
    Did not Winston do well in Turkey, with President Erdogan? 🙂
    
    I can tell you I’ve been off to see 57 countries, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, who have got a serious round of applause and some people actually crying in the aisles when we told them the truth about New Zealand and showed them a video https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/02-04-2019/winston-peters-media-rounds-this-morning-were-an-absolute-tour-de-force/
    
    Did he not do well? 🙂
    
    Peters would confront this issue when he was in Turkey, he didn’t.
    
    He didn’t even raise it. He didn’t let the Turkish President know we were brassed off, and hurt, and disappointed. It was the elephant in the room, and he was the ostrich – he ran away from it. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/03/lloyd-burr-is-winston-peters-asleep-at-the-wheel.html
    
    He did so well. 🙂
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:41am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      We are cowed, the new surrender monkey on the world stage.
      
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      April 4, 2019 1:52pm
- kowtow
  
  Now hold your crusader horses there , kimosabi , I’ve read in the German media , very liberal they are too , that seeing as how the legal bar has been set so high it’s not a problem……….
  
  ‘Experts say the draconian death by stoning laws for sex between men and adultery, which can also be punished by caning, are unlikely to be carried out due to the high bar of proof. Brunei has not executed anyone for decades.’
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/global-outcry-as-brunei-implements-draconian-sharia-laws-including-death-by-stoning-for-gays/a-48173612
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    So far.
    
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    April 4, 2019 1:03pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    No need to refresh the laws then.
    
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    April 4, 2019 1:53pm
Happychappy

NZ First internal poll must have them really worried as why would they announce this at such a late date any many calling for https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/nz-first-tells-police-to-keep-chasing-young-drivers.html to stop.
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April 4, 2019 9:33am
- Happychappy
  
  My 9.33 am post must have pissed somebody off as its been in moderation for one hour 22 minutes.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:55am
  - calendar girl
    
    Not a long period for some of my comments. (I must be a trouble-maker!)
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Someone is still following up the Sroubek story
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/386301/immigration-new-zealand-let-karel-sroubek-in-after-overstaying

Looks like it’s pretty easy to drop in & out of NZ

A person named in his trial as helping to arrange the importation of drugs from the Czech Republic has also been allowed into New Zealand at least twice since his arrest.
and
In 2008, two men from the same flight presented Jan Antolik passports at the airport.

Immigration New Zealand said it was not uncommon for more than one individual with the same name to be entering New Zealand on the same day.
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April 4, 2019 9:45am
- Surely Knott
  
  “A person named in his trial as helping to arrange the importation of drugs from the Czech Republic has also been allowed into New Zealand at least twice since his arrest.” Why doesn’t this person get named by the journalist? His mother was named in the court document , and she was allowed in the country.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:57am
- burt
  
  Guess that person has no concerns about being called a ‘bottom feeder’ by the lawnmower king.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  “John Smith” perhaps. “Jan Antolik”?
  
  Nope. Don’t buy it.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:12am
- sooty
  
  Hello, Hello. What do we have here?
  Two people with the same unusual name?
  I could understand two Smiths been on the plane?
  Did they compare the passports, were they carbon copies of each other?
  Did they both have lawn mower salesmen as their occupations?
  Was Cindys phone number on speed dial?
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:16am
- Lizziep
  
  We are now a joke Maggie and what is worse we are standing by and letting it happen. I am at a loss as to know what to do and so I am as guilty as the next. I hate how this country is developing from a wonderful place to live and bring up children to a woke society which is no use to man nor beast. Even the RSA is folding to this new wokeness. The labour party are changing life as we knew it. Nothing is being reported on issues that once would have shocked the nation.
  
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  April 4, 2019 11:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    Payback…2020.
    
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    April 4, 2019 1:02pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You’re being anonymously quoted by lircher on YourNZ…..
    https://yournz.org/2019/04/04/open-forum-wednesday-228/#comment-360471
    
    Keep up the Good Work
    
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    April 4, 2019 4:08pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Maggy:
      
      “Lurcher1948” has the dubious distinction of being one of Kiwiblog’s more unhinged characters.
      
      In 2014, I summarised his track record here – at that time DPF had banned him from Kiwiblog until 11 September 2032!
      
      In 2010, while commenting as “JoeAverage1948”, he provided one of my all-time favourite Kiwiblog meltdowns on this thread!
      
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      April 4, 2019 6:20pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I wondered why he misspelt his name today…
        He’s not been too offensive over on YourNZ..but good to know that he’s keeping an eye on his old mates on KB.
        
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        April 4, 2019 9:16pm
- freethinker
  
  Just wonder how common Jan Antolik as a name is in the Czech Republic – a Google search suggests Linkedln has 5 of that name so may be not very common in a population of 10 million.
  
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  April 4, 2019 11:15am
Notsofast

The case of Steven Avery from Making a Murderer:

Kathleen Zellner was quoted at Newsweek: “Of course the State cannot address the merits of Avery’s claim, because it is blatantly guilty of evidence destruction,” Zellner told Newsweek. “Its charade continues without the slightest inclination to discover the truth. Significantly, one of the culprits [Thomas Fallon] in the whole sad scenario authored the State’s Response. Unfortunately, the citizens of Wisconsin are the recipients of this mockery of justice.”

Exactly what is going on in the Lundy case as it goes before the supreme court. Everyone will understand soon.
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April 4, 2019 9:51am
- Tall Man
  
  Oh god, and here was I thinking you’d gone for good.
  
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  April 4, 2019 1:00pm
  - Notsofast
    
    The police are praying this is so, but they are dealing with an AA Thomas, and a Teina Pora debacle.
    The chief justice has stated she is sure he is guilty, they will take great comfort from that.
    They shouldn’t. The case is more live now than ever and the shit is soon to hit the fan with huge distribution of ordure.
    
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    April 4, 2019 1:15pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The police want you to fade away?
      
      “The police are praying this is so”
      
      Sorry, they wouldn’t even give you the time of day.
      
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      April 4, 2019 2:58pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Why not? The crime needs investigating and the 21 hairs in Christine’s hands., individually bagged, were never tested except by microscope. This showed they were not Mark’s and not Christine’s. Allegedly they are no longer available, yet they are primary evidence, read the COA judgement.
        
        “[361] As to the hairs, these were uplifted at the mortuary on 2 September 2000 by
        Detective Jonathan Oram who produced a sketch he made, showing the location of the
        hairs, in his notebook . We were not referred to (and have not been able to find in the
        record) any further evidence concerning these hairs, or analysis undertaken concerning
        them. This evidence does not assist in resolving the issues we have to decide.”
        
        You are being hoodwinked here, any explanation involves the crime itself.
        
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        April 4, 2019 3:52pm
Hugh Pavletich

… Australia …

Desperate sellers offer to cover stamp duty, cut asking prices just to find a buyer | (original The Daily Telegraph) PerthNow

https://www.perthnow.com.au/lifestyle/real-estate/desperate-sellers-offer-to-cover-stamp-duty-cut-asking-prices-just-to-find-a-buyer-ng-990f3da7f4ece56264d8ab5b308d20ed
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… New Zealand …

Auckland a buyer’s market as stock of properties for sale builds up and asking prices ease on Realestate.co.nz | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/98962/auckland-buyers-market-stock-properties-sale-builds-and-asking-prices-ease
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April 4, 2019 10:11am
- Cobolt24
  
  The number of Auckland homeowners selling their properties for less than they paid for them has doubled over the past year. | Stuff.co.nz
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  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/111775296/twice-as-many-aucklanders-losing-money-on-their-homes
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:06pm
  - Tall Man
    
    are you two married?
    
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    April 4, 2019 1:00pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      The glacial pace of essential housing reform action in New Zealand …
      
      … 2016 …
      
      Abolish Auckland city limits – Labour – NZ Herald
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11640374
      
      Labour, National both tell council Auckland city growth limits should be abolished | Stuff.co.nz
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80113578/labour-auckland-city-growth-limits-should-be-abolished?rm=m
      
      … with Labour advocating bond financing of infrastructure back in 2015 …
      
      Infrastructure announcement too long coming – New Zealand Labour Party
      
      https://www.labour.org.nz/infrastructure_announcement_too_long_coming
      
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      April 4, 2019 2:07pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry..was that a yes or a no? I fell asleep reading your reply.
        
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        April 4, 2019 2:59pm
      - Cobolt24
        
        AUSTRALIA: Mortgage stress jumps to new record highs | Macrobusiness.
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        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/04/mortgage-stress-jumps-new-record-highs/
        
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        April 4, 2019 9:34pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So a yes?
        
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        April 4, 2019 10:06pm
sooty

Melaine Read, has she been kicked out of Fiji before?
I think there was a hack sent packing a few years ago!
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April 4, 2019 10:11am
- John Warren
  
  Barbara Dreaver. She upset old Bananarama and got the shown to the airport.
  
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  April 4, 2019 5:52pm
Micky

Proof camo wearing gun nutters who love playing make believe exist –

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/adelaide-man-banned-internet-after-online-comments-supporting-christchurch-terrorist-attacks
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April 4, 2019 10:20am
- Tall Man
  
  Proof the “snowflakes” are brave enough to come onto a supposedly “alt right” blog.
  
  But you see, that’s the beauty of a democracy, if you want to legally own a firearm, wear camo and play make believe you can, just as you are able to run around like a snowflake “virtue signalling” anonomously.
  
  Ain’t democracy awesome?
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:59pm
  - Micky
    
    This blog represents free speech. Sure there are a few clowns on here who are hard core alt right, but fortunately they are very much a minority.
    
    If you think ‘Tall Man’ that guys like you and all your little upvoters aren’t by now under close surveillance by the NZSIS – think again. You are exactly the type they are looking out for. And with good reason.
    
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    April 4, 2019 5:51pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Little upvoters”..
      
      I’m quite sure they all well proportioned..much like myself.
      
      You on the other hand…..
      
      Maybe I’m with the SIS….and I’m monitoring you……
      
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      April 4, 2019 10:05pm
slightlyrighty

I never been ruminating on the appalling prospect of hate speech legislation being introduced to this country.

For what it’s worth, here is my two cents.

3 years ago, my brother was diagnosed with aggressive prostate cancer, and after a long period of treatment is now in remission. The treatment had some very nasty side effects which he is still dealing with, but looks to be making a complete recovery.

After his diagnosis, I got checked and was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer as well, but at a much earlier stage which was able to be cured with one surgery, no chemo or radiotherapy, all in all, a far less debilitating treatment.

Why is this relevant? Think of hate as cancer. In Cancer, early detection is the key to a great outcome. By legislating against Hate Speech, you make it more difficult to identify and help those down that path.

When you suppress speech, you do not suppress the thinking behind it, and you do not address their concerns, which may be valid, but due to misinformation which can best be countered early. If you do not, then pressure builds, and explodes. Then it’s too late.
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April 4, 2019 10:35am
- simpleton1
  
  We do so because in a diverse society, efforts to restrict speech can quickly become a tool to silence critics and oppress minorities. We do so because, given the power of faith in our lives, and the passion that religious differences can inflame, the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech —the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy, and lift up the values of understanding and mutual respect.
  
  hmmm, As originally said by Obama,
  I prefer the context as re-quoted by Rowan Atkinson. 🙂
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:54pm
Maggie Pie

It is so sad to read the Newsroom story about a Chinese property developer (Mr Deng) being allowed to ride roughshod over the residents of Malolo Island in Fiji, prepared to destroy the environment all to make a quick buck. We spent a week there back in 2017 and it was really beautiful.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/04/521015/newsroom-journalists-detained-in-fiji#
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April 4, 2019 10:45am
Micky

Eco-anxiety??? please… the billion dollar mental health industry loves creating more reasons to exploit the susceptible…

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/eco-anxiety-affecting-mental-health-but-its-useful-response-climate-change-psychologist
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April 4, 2019 10:48am
- alien
  
  I don’t think the mental health industry are creating as such, more so I believe the greenies and the left are creating it by putting false fear into people. I mean we see it with the youth protests lately, great that some of them.got out and expressed their views, but, when you have kindergarten children protesting, you know this is a fear that their parents and teachers are installing I to them.
  
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  April 4, 2019 1:54pm
  - Micky
    
    Yeah for sure there are genuine environmental issues going on. That said – if doctors & therapists can ‘diagnose ‘ someone with a ‘problem’ – there is plenty of money to be made out of drugs and $300 an hour counselling sessions.
    
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    April 4, 2019 6:05pm
Paulus

Am interested to hear two very conflicting comments this morning on the radio – different stations.
On one was two Senior Muslims each making their views quite known that we must seriously take Muslims into consideration in whatever we do.
On the other station it was made clear that all was quiet in the Muslim world in New Zealand and that no comment had been raised this being entirely contradictory to what I heard elsewhere.
Now the Crusader will have to change their name as Stupid Tew says so emphatically despite an opinion poll today.
So where do the Maori now stand in all this ?
The Council in Tauranga are being pushed into changing many of the English name of the leading roads reflecting the years of development of Tauranga to Maori names since the localised Maori wars are now fully verbally factual.
Now the RSA are unhappy that an ANZAC Day parade near Wellington, I think, are being asked to recognise the Muslims by adding Muslim Prayers. Whilst we recognise one God there is a different interpretation to the Anglican and the Muslims interpretation.
I am not sure how the integration of Maori and the now prominent Muslim interpretations can reflect upon New Zealand – but there is now a sudden change after the dreadful massacre in Christchurch.
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April 4, 2019 10:58am
- alloytoo
  
  @Paulus “On one was two Senior Muslims each making their views quite known that we must seriously take Muslims into consideration in whatever we do.”
  
  And the question I have to ask is:
  
  Why?
  
  What makes them so special?
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:01pm
  - brett68
    
    Sharia law.
    
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    April 4, 2019 12:13pm
    - alloytoo
      
      FSM says I should probably ignore Sharia law.
      
      I think all New Zealanders should take FSM into consideration in whatever we do.
      
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      April 4, 2019 12:36pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Christchurch, Jacinda’s surrender on our behalf?
    She didn’t ask me.
    
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    April 4, 2019 2:02pm
- Harlequin
  
  The ANZAC Day parade in Wellington is not at issue for recognising Muslims but for including as part of the service yet another ‘remembrance of Christchurch’. Many people, not only Veterans have had enough.
  It has been not uncommon in the past for idiots to want in include the ‘topic of the day’ into ANZAC Day services. This was very prevalent after Viet Nam where Veterans stood and gritted their teeth. The pain of that still remains.
  The difference is that Veterans, who once feared for their jobs and futures are now able to speak out .
  The Titahi Bay Club have just been hoist to half mast.
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:34pm
- John Warren
  
  How about we don’t seriously take Muslims into consideration? How about the tail doesn’t get to wag the dog?
  
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  April 4, 2019 5:53pm
RW Capitalist

Just got the annual charge for prescriptions for my wife
$85 for the year for her regular prescriptions.
under National
$16.50
Quite a difference for the same prescription.
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April 4, 2019 11:08am
- alien
  
  One of my medicines was $5 subsidised, then lost it and went to $75 for three months supply, now at $180 for 3 months.
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:37pm
RW Capitalist

https://gab.com/media/image/bq-5ca4d65854db4.jpeg
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April 4, 2019 11:21am
- Jules99
  
  His engineers told him that no way the twin towers should have come down the way they did.
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:13pm
Inandout

The Canterbury Croissants flows well.
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April 4, 2019 11:30am
Sarkozygroupie

What a disgusting attempt at moral equivalence by this woman:

Dr Sharyn Graham Davies is an associate professor of social sciences at Auckland University of Technology, whose research looks at gender and sexuality in Indonesia.:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111757204/i-chose-freely-to-wear-a-veil-just-as-many-muslim-women-do

“Like many women across Aotearoa, I wore a headscarf on March 22 to support my Muslim friends and whānau in the aftermath of the Christchurch massacre.

I wore it as a sign of aroha. I wore it as a sign of solidarity. And I wore it because women were afraid to go out in public because the veil identifies them as targets for harassment and prejudice.

But if everyone wears the sign, it alters its power – it becomes not a target but a symbol of togetherness.”

If everyone wore the Star of David, who would Hitler have killed?”

How about everyone Sharon. Because psychopathic monsters don’t give a damn about left wing apologists trying to conflate subjugation with strength.

Jews wear the Magen David (Star of David) because they can if they choose to – because they have freedom. But in this case they were forced to wear it – they had no choice. And veiled women often don’t have a choice either.

I, as a Jewish women, have even been forced to veil myself in the name of another religion that has nothing to do with me (Islam), just so I could go and do my professional job overseas.

I don’t see any Muslims returning the favour by donning my Star of David, just so they are allowed to go about their professional business.

As per usual it is academics like this women, who have no understanding of the actual issues because they are just academics dealing in comforting left wing theories.

Try living in the real world of people like me, for a change, Sharon and don’t try to use my religion, or Muslim women’s subjugation again to pass off your appallingly asinine “veiling is strength” argument to support your heroine, Jacinda Ardern, because we know what this is really all about.
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April 4, 2019 11:40am
MrTips

In a carefully orchestrated and stage managed feel good story, the PM confirms she doesn’t care for father’s and woman who aren’t mother’s.
What a cynical piece of political image building.
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April 4, 2019 11:44am
- alien
  
  You’ve certainly twisted that story to fit your narrative
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:35pm
- Tall Man
  
  Probably not stage managed but certainly pumped out there along with a bit of anti “personal opinion” stuff as well.
  
  I have said it before…media whore.
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:52pm
- Swifty
  
  Two or three weeks ago at the New Lynn West Liquor I was behind an older PI bloke who was short $4 bucks at the till.
  
  I paid it for him, with the woman behind me offering to chip in $2 and which I cheerily declined.
  
  From now I will refer to myself as ‘a bloke like no other’.
  
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  April 4, 2019 1:03pm
- Poppa
  
  Wasn’t it so lucky that the camera was rolling just at the right moment.
  
  Looks like a setup to me, doesn’t pass the sniff test
  
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  April 4, 2019 1:49pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Awww chucks. So what if the woman wasn’t a mum, would Cindy have helped the woman out? ?
  
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  April 4, 2019 3:18pm
- John Warren
  
  This kind of stage-managing has been done before by Ardern’s camp. I don’t believe that this situation hasn’t been at least partially engineered.
  
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  April 4, 2019 5:58pm
Sarkozygroupie

This woman deserves a meddle for her bravery and eloquence, and Jacinda Ardern should hang her head in absolute shame.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/opinion-dear-jacinda-ardern-my-mother-could-die-because-of-you.html
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April 4, 2019 11:50am
- Tall Man
  
  Could the downticker give their reason for that?
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:45pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Obviously not.
    
    Chicken.
    
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    April 4, 2019 3:00pm
    - lofty
      
      Chicken..Coward..potatoe..potato…
      
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      April 4, 2019 9:44pm
alloytoo

There’s an awful lot of news about the Crusaders name and a potential change.

A few thoughts around that:

1. The word crusade comes from the Latin word crux, meaning “cross.”

2. The crusades were largely a response to Islamic imperialism.

3. Crusades in the middle east lasted for about 200 years ending about 700 years ago.

It would appear to me that many Christians could harbour resentment towards the imperialist conquests that made the Crusades necessary, and that Islamist expansionism was the root cause of it all over 700 years ago.

I would suggest those lobbying for a name change on the grounds of righteous indignation and imagined “Hurt”:

“Park Their Snowflakes.”

Oh and has anybody asked the Crusaders fans whether they care to give up the name?
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April 4, 2019 11:56am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yep, the prophet exhorts the faithful to spread Islam using the sword – which they merrily did for 1000 years. Until they started getting beaten back by the militarised cultures (east and west) that sprang up to oppose them during the middle ages. The Islamic world fell apart when the silk road trade that predated through thievery and tariffs for wealth moved to ships. Their culture was fundamentally parasitical – relying upon slavery from surrounding regions for a significant portions of their workforce and other regions industry and invention for wealth they could appropriate. Will anyone still want to deal with Islamic Nations when their oil runs out?
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:18pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Didn’t the west just spend an awful lot of time, money and lives beating back ISIL and their brand of Islamic imperialism?
    
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    April 4, 2019 12:41pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Could make a lot of glass with sand? Quick let’s outlaw glass.
    
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    April 4, 2019 4:27pm
  - Rob2
    
    Will anyone still want to deal with Islamic Nations when their oil runs out?
    
    Why do we want to even now. We can mine our own and with the USA being no a big producer and exporter, Britain with enough underground for several thousand years I reckon a bit of an effort would see them all broke and busted.
    
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    April 4, 2019 6:41pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      We sell them oceans of stuff. Mostly food products- dairy, meat. It’s very lucrative, and it means we aren’t placing all our eggs in one basket (limiting our markets).
      
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      April 5, 2019 5:45pm
- alien
  
  Likely the most important thing to consider is that the rugby team never wanted this name, it was one that was forced on them. If they still don’t want it then they should be able to change it and not have names forced on them.
  
  And since you’re asking, I don’t care what they are named as long as they keep winning. It’s not like nz hasn’t changed sports teams names before, it happens
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:32pm
  - lofty
    
    Prove it.
    
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    April 4, 2019 8:48pm
- kevn
  
  @alloy… When is St John moniker for the chop? Same history.
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:35pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Good point.
    
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    April 4, 2019 4:18pm
- mandk
  
  I think we should apologise for the Crusades when Muslims apologise for their conquest of the Holy Land in the first place.
  
  btw, I read the other day that Muslims in Spain are asking the King to apologise for the re-conquest of Andalusia. I trust the King will remind them what re-conquest means.
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:48pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Perhaps they could revert the Hagia Sophia to a Christian cathedral.
    
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    April 4, 2019 3:26pm
    - mandk
      
      And remove the Al-aqsa Mosque from the Temple Mount.
      
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      April 4, 2019 4:43pm
  - John Warren
    
    Are the Muslims apologising for overrunning it in the first place?
    
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    April 4, 2019 6:00pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  There is still Islamist expansionism.
  Was the gunmen engaged in his own crusade?
  Another place, another time.
  
  I don’t agree to changing the name , whatever next.
  
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  April 4, 2019 2:22pm
Wangas Feral

Every time I go on Facebleck I get adverts and ‘suggested’ links related to Islam. No matter how many times I click through the ‘I don’t want to see this’ steps the same stuff keeps appearing in my feed. Anyone else seeing this?
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  Nope, use an Adblock
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  I don’t go there now we have Viber.
  
  I only used it to keep in touch with the family when any of us were travelling but correspond through Viber and most of our friends are there as well.
  
  Facebook is not a nice place most of the time.
  
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  April 4, 2019 12:43pm
  - Sacha
    
    We use Viber for family too. I have facebook and belong to a number of interest groups, but none are political. None of us have twitter accounts either.
    
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    April 4, 2019 4:38pm
- Rob2
  
  Use Firefox as a browser and add ad blocker. Works well.
  
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  April 4, 2019 6:38pm
kevn

John Key donated his entire PM salary to charity.
JA pays for some random persons groceries… once. MSm go into overload at such ‘kindness’…
Spot the difference?
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April 4, 2019 12:33pm
- stigie
  
  I find that so cringeworthy. Isn’t she just wonerful..?
  
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  April 4, 2019 1:50pm
- John Warren
  
  Donald Trump donates his too.
  
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  April 4, 2019 6:01pm
  - sooty
    
    We donate to Hillarys!
    
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    April 4, 2019 10:10pm
secondcumming

I sure hope I spot *Jacinda* waiting behind me at the Countdown checkout one day
……especially if I’ve got the months supply of piss in my trolley 😎
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April 4, 2019 12:37pm
- sooty
  
  Cindy in a supermarket waiting line?
  What she going to cook “Clarke” some eggs!
  
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  April 4, 2019 5:13pm
toby1845

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12219232

My reply to Herald’s earnest question: “Do you know more?”

“WTF? How is this news? Every Christmas I make a point of paying for a random pensioner’s Christmas shopping, but don’t go running off to the media to blab about it.

Here’s some real stories for you to get your teeth into:

The Labour Party rapist was due to appear in the North Shore Court on 18 March. Who is he, and what was the outcome? Is it true that he is related to a Labour MP?

What are the PM’s connections to Karel Sroubek?

How did Brenton Tarrant get a firearms license when he had recently travelled to North Korea, China, Pakistan, Bosnia and Bulgaria? Who funded his travel?

Why doesn’t the PM donate her entire salary to charity, like her predecessor did?

If the PM is so enamoured with CGT, why didn’t she donate to charity a sum equal to what would have been the CGT obligation on the sale of her last home?

Why is the NZ PM paid more the Australian, British or Canadian PMs, or the President of the US?

Of course, this would mean having to fund a few journalists, which is beyond the scope if your shitty newspaper. What a sad parody of a newspaper you have become.”
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April 4, 2019 12:39pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Wasn’t a rapist. That is not helpful.
  
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  April 4, 2019 2:25pm
Michael

Notsofast
Re Steven Avery
Suggest you read this book.
https://www.fishpond.co.nz/Books/Avery-Ken-Kratz-Peter-Wilkinson-With/9781536623178?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=ps&utm_campaign=NZ&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-tPtvJK14QIVAx2PCh35gQbfEAQYAiABEgJjD_D_BwE
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April 4, 2019 1:15pm
- Tall Man
  
  Please don’t encourage him.
  
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  April 4, 2019 2:06pm
Surely Knott

3 hour police seige, and local primary school lockdown yesterday in Glen Eden, after gunman fired a shot – today the report is there were no arrests, no one named, and they will not confirm where he is. Then the Russian Gunmen who died by “suicide” after a three hour standoff, was also a very weird police report. He stabbed himself in the car. First aid was applied. He was dragged from the car and had facial bruising and dog bites. The facebook commenters weren’t buying it. We don’t seem to be getting the full picture and it’s creating unrest.
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April 4, 2019 1:21pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “We don’t seem to be getting the full picture and it’s creating unrest.”
  
  It’s a sign of the times that we live in. The State doesn’t trust its citizens to handle the complete picture lest they form conclusions that are outside the official narrative.
  
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  April 4, 2019 1:47pm
- sooty
  
  Both of them are smelly! Need more sunlight!
  Wood’n it be a butchers mess if we did not have freedom of speech to not be able to call out the thought police, as well as the real ones!
  
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  April 4, 2019 2:38pm
- cmm
  
  That Russian bloke was, according to the cops, “supporting” Tarrant.
  
  What a useless statement – designed to be ambiguous.
  
  Did he “support” Tarrant the same way I support the All Blacks? Basically think positively of them and watch an infrequent game, but that’s all.
  
  Or
  
  Did he support Tarrant the same way I support the missus and kids: provide their needs, protect them from scruffy bastards, sort out spiders for them?
  
  Since we had the cops running interference for First Bloke, they seem to be getting more and more activist and less and less impartial.
  
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  April 4, 2019 4:33pm
  - Rob2
    
    Yeh well I guess its about cover your arse.
    But they forget, the truth is in the eye of the beholder, so we don’t believe them.
    
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    April 4, 2019 6:35pm
  - lofty
    
    I often wonder how the average frontline policeman feels about their role in society, and where their allegiances lay…with free speech and association, or just blindly following and enforcing the dictates and agendas of their superiors and duplicitous politicians?
    
    Who’s waiting for the knock on the door…..which plod is going to be the knocker to arrest their mate or neighbour for Mr Littles hate speech ???
    
    This is what we have come to in such short order…
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

No-one mentioning NZ First voting with National and giving Labour’s desire to place its mates on The Canterbury Regional Council the heave-ho.

Good work Shane & Co
Ngāi Tahu Representation Bill voted down in Parliament
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/386292/ngai-tahu-representation-bill-voted-down-in-parliament
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April 4, 2019 1:57pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Idiot/Savant will be thrilled
  
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  April 4, 2019 2:26pm
kevn

@Toby… No ‘journalists’ left. They are all just plebs without an investigative bone in their bodies. Just repeaters taking a salary.
Hosking is our only radio host with some guts.
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April 4, 2019 2:34pm
Micky

Golriz Ghahraman wants to outlaw all open criticism of minority groups. Of course it is unlikely to also cover majority groups or old white males.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/golriz-ghahraman-calls-tougher-laws-hate-speech
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April 4, 2019 3:23pm
- mandk
  
  Does she include Christians?
  
  It wouldn’t make NZ a safer place, anyway.
  
  But I guess that’s not really the agenda. It’s about promoting Stalinist control.
  
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  April 4, 2019 4:45pm
- sooty
  
  Isn’t she a minority groups!
  Strange that, she is atleast two of them!
  Green Party, Iranian!
  But she is in atleast one of the major groups, dumb MPs!
  
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  April 4, 2019 5:07pm
  - sooty
    
    They have already come for easter!
    Were’s me easter egg?
    
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    April 4, 2019 5:09pm
    - Franckuverymuch
      
      Make that a capital E ….Easter is a special time in NZ…. lots of chocolate, Yum!
      
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      April 4, 2019 10:41pm
Maggie Pie

With all thats being going on of late in the country, i always like to keep myself up to speed watching ‘Question Time’ whenver i get the chance. The first couple of questions today were most interseting, in particular ‘Q2’: Louise Upston to the Minister for Social Development. Now I’ve never actually seen Lou wearing her hair in a ponytail before, i thort it looked fabulous.
See for yourself what you think –

https://www.parliament.nz/en/WatchParliament/PlayVideo/OnDemand/205773
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April 4, 2019 3:43pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Maggie Pie, Louise Upston does look nice with her hair in a ponytail. I didn’t really notice earlier as I was listening to the serious issue questions she was asking Sepeloni and deciding whether I liked her lilac floral jacket? I think I do. ?
  
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  April 4, 2019 7:12pm
kevn

Why are all media so compliant in failing to report on this CoL clown show continuous debacles?
Why? Genuine question.
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April 4, 2019 4:30pm
- Tall Man
  
  They like the “likes” they get on their facebook pages.
  
  An article about the economy doesn’t get “likes” but a puff piece about you know who gets lots of lovely upticks 🙂
  
  Awesome aye?
  
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  April 4, 2019 5:54pm
Rachael Membery

Imagine how ridiculous it would be if Tarrant’s name was not on the court documents. It is childish to not name this person who has done so much damage to us, he must really have hated NZers.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12219397
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April 4, 2019 4:33pm
- Tall Man
  
  The no name being pushed by a child.
  
  Obviously she’s a harry fan or got the idea off the telly….
  
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  April 4, 2019 5:52pm
Rob2

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=12219311&fbclid=IwAR26skyVMZShlqPHAxp44X3VhRPnA2NsKwFdTvZx85kjI5wE2eduYTKmuJE

Not good to live on the east coast.
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April 4, 2019 4:49pm
- Kabull
  
  Perhaps there is not enough traction from the ‘climate change=sea level rise’ nonsense so another drama has to be pushed. And, yes, I know enough about the geological formation of New Zealand to accept that the Hikurangi subduction zone is a genuine potential hreat. But we can do even less about it than we can sea level rise (just look at what we could have done before Kaikoura!)
  
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  April 4, 2019 7:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  Asked and blocked.
  
  Where the fuck is aotearower New Zealand?
  
  Not here so I guess we’re all safe.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:01pm
- lofty
  
  We ain’t called the shakey Isles for nothing…
  It is good to be aware and prepared.
  Who knows when and size..but as sure as my wrinkle points south, it’s coming…exciting..? ride the wave ??‍♂️
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:39pm
Ross12

So Steve Tew says the Crusaders name is offensive to some so they are spending money on consultants to look at a name change.
A survivor of the Linwood mosque attacks rings Peter Williams and says he is a Crusader’s supporter and thinks a discussion about a name change is pointless.

https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2019/04/linwood-mosque-survivor-abdul-calls-magic-mornings-to-talk-about.html

Who should Tew be listening to , the SJWs or the guy who spoke to Peter Williams ?
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April 4, 2019 5:09pm
- Rob2
  
  Tew is another snowflake.
  If he does this his job will be gone and so will the rugby mad crowd.
  
  Much like the sevens.
  Remember them No no one cares.
  Just like Milo Changed their product and now is a failure from No.1 Brand.
  Stupid people.
  
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  April 4, 2019 6:55pm
- sooty
  
  Steve Tew will be listerning to SBW. You can bet your boots on it!
  Because Tew is woke man!
  
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  April 4, 2019 7:19pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I see he’s been doing a bit of converting….must make the “body adornment” ok then…..
    
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    April 4, 2019 10:00pm
Rachael Membery

Has Jacinda been over to the coast yet? Are Coasters not us now?
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April 4, 2019 5:22pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy sent Damian O’Connor and Chris Faafoi.
  
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  April 4, 2019 7:19pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Not the same surely, why shouldn’t the Coast get the PM with the most?
    
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    April 4, 2019 10:08pm
greybeard

DPF:
Has anyone asked you to do a poll on how many people have deserted NewstalkZB in favour of Magic Talk, especially between 9am and 3pm ?
I wouldn’t mind betting that HDPA and Andrew Dickens are taking a real hammering these days.
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April 4, 2019 5:32pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner met Andew Dickens once at an Advertising Agency Xmas Party which was being held on a boat moored down at Westhaven. He was saying while everyone else wore appropriate boating gear, Dickens turned up in jeans, brown boots, leather jacket, and a scarf! Reckons hes a bit of an odd c ~ ~ t.
  
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  April 4, 2019 6:57pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Carrot?
    
    He’s not a ginga is he?
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:55pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Had you thought of looking up the ratings for yourself?
  
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  April 4, 2019 7:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Typical, snakey comment.
    
    How’s your support for the senior member of the coalition going mikey..you know, the vindictive old pm and his buffoon of a sidekick?
    
    All tickety boo in the red roger camp?
    
    Sorry, didn’t mean to mention camp…bit of a sore subject in the labour circles…
    
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    April 4, 2019 9:58pm
  - lofty
    
    I took a personal poll, which to me is the only one that matters.
    Result: 9am to 12 pm…Kerre..dear God I thank him for channel change functions. Magic…nope not for me, boring, it’s Coast for this old white man.
    
    12 pm to whenever Andrew Dickens..not tooooooo bad, Magic..nah…it’s Coast for this old white man.
    
    4 pm to 7 pm..Larry fucking excellent while I am driving my couple of hours home….. magic..nah.
    Coast..nah
    
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    April 4, 2019 10:13pm
- DigNap15
  
  I have (and Kerre Woodham is a snowflake)
  
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  April 4, 2019 8:52pm
DigNap15

I wrote and told the Crusaders to keep their name.
And be proud of it.

Its the Saracens that should change their name!
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April 4, 2019 5:39pm
Rob2

Government reforms set to change the Local Government Commission’s role after its first review since 1947

The Minister of Local Government Nanaia Mahuta has announced plans to rein in the Local Government Commission (LGC) in a bid to make it tougher to amalgamate councils around the country.
In 2017 the Department of Internal Affairs commissioned RDC Group to carry out a review of the Local Government Commission and its functions. Despite the fact it had been operating for over 70 years it was the first time it had ever been subject to a review.

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/98987/government-reforms-set-change-local-government-commissions-role-after-its-first-review

70 years the bloody troughers have been hiding.
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April 4, 2019 6:58pm
Rob2

LOTS OF STOCK
Latest property listings on realestate.co.nz suggest the Auckland housing market could be in for a long cold winter. It’s a buyer’s market as stock of properties for sale builds up and asking prices ease. The Auckland now has 26 weeks of inventory (6 months) and nationally there are 19 weeks of inventory (4½ months), up from 17 in February.

Looming problems for the Auckland Property market.

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/98982/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-thursday-more-banks-focus-hot-3yr-rates-td-rates
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April 4, 2019 6:59pm
Rob2

CAN’T HANDLE BIG CHANGE
And staying in Australia, their energy market operator is being forced to intervene daily in their electricity grid as an influx of renewable energy and ageing coal-fired power stations make their distribution systems unstable.

😆 😆
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April 4, 2019 7:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And the UK’s electricity network is getting shaky
  https://www.thegwpf.com/increasing-electricity-system-fragility-in-the-uk/
  
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  April 4, 2019 7:56pm
tranquil

A bold idea to replace politicians –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyGWML6cI_k

Sounds good to me!

I’m **sick** of braindead politicians (and voters) who believe in “climate change” BS, think Islam is the best thing since sliced bread and think that left-wing policies will see “unicorns flying over rainbows” around the world.
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April 4, 2019 7:44pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qovk67yMiFI
Seems a perfect description of the CoL
2 of the wheels are triangular = Labour
1 from a pram = Greens
1 the last remaining wheel from off a Dublin tram = NZF
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April 4, 2019 9:00pm
DigNap15

Anzac muslim prayers cancelled.
The idiot organising it says that we are an inclusive nation.
That’s what he said.
But not what me and many others think.
Just because people arrive does not mean we are inclusive.
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April 4, 2019 9:26pm
- Inandout
  
  Immigrants used to be almost all inclusive, now we face the exclusive ones.
  
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  April 4, 2019 9:49pm
- lofty
  
  Agree DigNap…well said.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  Those who seek to join in but retain their culture are fine by me.
  
  Those that seek to join in but insist I join their culture…not so much.
  
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  April 5, 2019 9:04am
Rachael Membery

Poor Christchurch

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/111810884/robbers-target-christchurch-liquor-store
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April 4, 2019 10:03pm
- lofty
  
  Poor Christchurch indeed.
  
  Pass emergency legislation to ban magazine fed air/battery hammers with a more than 50 nail capacity.
  
  Or ban held held hammers of certain robust brands.
  
  Or ban buying and stocking of heads and handles that may and can fit most hammers.
  
  CoLL…IDIOTS.
  
  PS the mongrel mob and black power along with their affiliates are saying the govt will never take their hammers, in fact hell will freeze over before that happens, after all we only use our hammers to smash the heads in of rival gangs..now and again there is some collateral damage,like the case of poor old John walking home after a night out and being inadvertantly caught up in a gang “dance” and getting his head smashed in….but overall it is gang on gang violence.
  Besides…we are special. So there.
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:54pm
- Franckuverymuch
  
  …pricks! ….and if they had head coverings on, look out!
  
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  April 4, 2019 10:57pm

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