General Debate 28 April 2019

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All_on_Red

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 33% (-3)
CON: 26% (-3)
BREX: 17% (+17)
LDEM: 6% (-2)
CHUK: 4% (+4)
GRN: 4% (-)
UKIP: 4% (-7)

via @OpiniumResearch, 21 – 23 Apr
Chgs. w/ 12 Apr
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April 28, 2019 8:09am
- All_on_Red
  
  European Parliament voting intention:
  BREX: 28% (+16)
  LAB: 28% (-1)
  CON: 14% (-3)
  LDEM: 7% (-3)
  CHUK: 7% (+3)
  GRN: 6% (-)
  UKIP: 3% (-10)
  
  via @OpiniumResearch
  Chgs. w/ 12 Apr
  
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  April 28, 2019 8:40am
  - Biscuit
    
    GRN: 6% (-)
    
    Ah, them were the days…
    
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    April 28, 2019 9:15am
- mjw
  
  I’m seeing something a bit different at https://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/ with BREXIT at 6.8%. But still, the changes are amazing, including seeing both major parties below 35%.
  
  Turbulent times for the old guard in British politics!
  
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  April 28, 2019 8:42am
- srylands
  
  In a FPP system does that mean a Labour government?
  
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  April 28, 2019 9:13am
  - Ross12
    
    At first glance srylands yes, but they would have to form a coalition of some sort , just like May did with the DUP. I presume Labour would have first go at it and then the Conservatives would be allowed a go if Labour failed with negotiations to get a workable majority.
    
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    April 28, 2019 10:50am
lilman

Was talking to a long time business colleague about world politics and must admit I nearly choked when he told me of his deepest economic fears.
It seem he believes that our country is woefully under prepared for climate change that WILL see our coast inundated by many miles as sea water floods our lands.
I asked him how bad does he think it will be?
Answer, “Maybe 10 to 15 meters high”.
I must admit I mentioned he has bigger worries as anyone who thinks that this maybe a possibility is in fact insane and complete fucken moron.

He left driving his new Audi Q7,polluting all the way.

Idiot,but nice taste in cars.

I bet he votes labour,guess we will save that conversation for another day.
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April 28, 2019 8:12am
- kowtow
  
  What’s his business , selling boats?
  
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  April 28, 2019 8:56am
  - cmm
    
    Selling consulting services to government departments?
    
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    April 28, 2019 9:24am
  - lilman
    
    Hes a merchant banker,kids play sport together,thinking about removing my portfolio from their investment fund.
    Actually ,I will be on Monday now that I have thought about it.
    
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    April 28, 2019 11:07am
    - godruelf
      
      is that what he does or just rhyming slang???
      
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      April 28, 2019 12:15pm
  - GazzaW
    
    ……or maybe harbour bridges.
    
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    April 28, 2019 2:09pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Green voters disproportionately live by the sea. Waiheke, Devonport, etc. Why isn’t there house price drops in coastal suburbs if Climate Skeptics are just a fringe minority. Why aren’t we seeing a shift of left voters inland as they buy houses in areas where they will be safe from the impending doom.
  
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  April 28, 2019 9:06am
  - Ultima
    
    Not true, Green voters also likes big lifestyle blocks where they can grow their organic foods and encourages everyone to do the same to save the planet.
    
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    April 28, 2019 9:36am
    - artemisia
      
      A few weeks ago Kiwiblog published a guest post that calculated the greenhouse gas impact of lentils v cows. Final para –
      
      If you want a short term feel good fix sure stop eating meat and dairy products. If you want the world to be here for your grandchildren maybe you need to think again.
      
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/guest_post_the_meat_to_lentils_myth.html
      
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      April 28, 2019 12:04pm
  - tf78
    
    They are just looking forward to buying knock down price beach front properties.
    
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    April 28, 2019 11:36am
  - tavita
    
    You miss the point. What is the best policy when faced with sea level rises? You buy a place by the sea and then lobby your government for compensation.
    
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    April 29, 2019 1:12am
- cmm
  
  15 metres?
  
  How is a person that stupid able to run a business?
  
  Surely if someone thinks it is going to rise 15 metres in the next, say 80 years (by the end of the century) they can figure out in their head that this needs around 17 to 20 cm of rise a year, or a metre every 5 years. We have not seen that so it isn’t happening.
  
  Or do they believe that it is going to rise by two millimetres a year until 2099 then rise 14.8 metres in the last year?
  
  I suppose they also believe Kiwibuild’s 100, 000 houses programme is also on track!
  
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  April 28, 2019 9:23am
  - brett68
    
    You’d be surprised how stupid and ill-informed many business owners are.
    
    It’s just business, making money, trying to make more money, there’s no time left for anything else.
    
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    April 28, 2019 9:53am
    - kowtow
      
      Not even common sense?
      
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      April 28, 2019 10:09am
      - brett68
        
        When you’re a busy person running a business,trying to make money, keep it afloat, you haven’t got the time to critique what you read in the MSM.
        
        You’ve got to take everything at face value.
        
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        April 28, 2019 12:30pm
  - srylands
    
    The projections by 2050 are about 0.2 metres.
    
    Some low lying countries will be affected. I know Tuvalu gets the press on this but I’d worry about Bangladesh. Hardly above sea level and hundreds of millions of people.
    
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    April 28, 2019 9:59am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      10-15 metres would see vast, highly-populated parts of USA, Europe, Africa and Asia under water, displacing hundreds of millions of people.
      Notgonnnahappen.com.
      
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      April 28, 2019 10:08am
      - Batman
        
        The estimates I’ve seen are more like 15cm
        
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        April 28, 2019 11:38am
    - cmm
      
      Bangladesh has always been hardly above sea level. It is built in one massive flood plane/delta covered by most of the Himalayas.
      
      Every time the monsoons come, Bangladesh ends up knee deep in water and thousands drown. It has always been so.
      
      The Bangladeshi population has almost doubled since 1980 and the people must therefore live on more flood prone land than they would have 50 years ago. Of course it is mainly the poor, with the shittiest shacks, that end up living in the most extreme areas.
      
      Thus, the cause of increased problems with water is due mainly to population pressures driving people further and further into flood zones and not the rising water.
      
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      April 28, 2019 10:33am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Or, more realistically, 40-60mm by 2050, given subsidence corrected tidal gauge measured rates of rise are generally 1-2mm around the world, and rate of rise hasn’t changed noticeably over last 120 years.
      
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      April 28, 2019 12:12pm
      - cmm
        
        But, but, but…
        
        At midnight on 1 January 2051 there will be an energy shifting tipping point and suddenly it will increase at 500 times that rate to make up.
        
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        April 28, 2019 1:33pm
  - lilman
    
    I cant explain it,these people are just dumb yet they have good paying jobs and interact with people who actually value their expertise.
    
    I cant figure it out.
    
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    April 28, 2019 10:09am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Surely if someone thinks it is going to rise 15 metres in the next, say 80 years (by the end of the century) they can figure out in their head that this needs around 17 to 20 cm of rise a year, or a metre every 5 years. We have not seen that so it isn’t happening.
    
    Yes, believing sea levels will rise 15 meters by the end of the century seems delusional. However, they will rise and the increase won’t be linear – we’ll see minimal increases like we’re seeing now, until/unless we hit a tipping point that dumps ice from Greenland and Antarctica into the oceans, in which case it will rise a lot, fast. It would be a good idea to make sure we don’t hit that tipping point.
    
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    April 28, 2019 11:18am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      There is no empirical evidence to suggest increasing rates of rise. But there is strong reason to believe it will fall in future due to reduction in current huge rate of ground water extraction for irrigation. Climate models are outrageously pessimistic when compared to real-world data, and comically ill-founded in their mathematical simplification and assumptions. They have no demonstrated predictive skill and as such are PR tools, not science.
      
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      April 28, 2019 12:18pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Yep, delusional.
      
      Check out the weather in the US, Spain and Israel today.
      
      Snow in Spring.
      
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      April 28, 2019 12:22pm
    - cmm
      
      And what would cause that “tipping point”?
      
      Ice on Antarctica is up to 4.7km thick in places. That’s a huge amount.
      
      When ice melts it absorbs a huge amount of energy (latent heat). Take a pot filled with ice and put it on the stove. Until almost all the ice is gone there is no significant temperature change.
      
      This provides a massive negative feedback system that moderates temperature.
      
      A “tipping point” suggests that some point will be reached where suddenly physics changes and run-away melting happens. For that to happen, physics would have to change such that melting ice would give off heat rather than absorb it.
      
      I’d rather believe that communism can work.
      
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      April 28, 2019 12:32pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Runaway melting of all the ice certainly would be a problem, as it would raise sea levels by 60 meters or so. I was meaning a tipping point like collapse of ice shelves that sees a lot more ice from glaciers hitting the sea a lot faster than expected. That wouldn’t result in meters of sea level increase, but even a few feet over a period of decades would cause major problems.
        
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        April 28, 2019 2:02pm
      - Brian Marshall
        
        Cmm. Your analysis wins the internet for the day. Careful though, thinking too much for yourself might be a thought crime very soon.
        
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        April 28, 2019 2:54pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Wherever did you get those beliefs from? Haven’t you heard of the 90+ volcanoes under Antartica–what a mess they could cause. Tbey should suck in all that excess water.
      
      No wonder children are anxious when observational tested science has been replaced by the green bogeyman, computer modellers and grant seekers.
      
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      April 28, 2019 2:02pm
  - freethinker
    
    Kiwi Fail is on target – to build 100 everything after the comma has been re calibrated to 100.0001 so 100 m hundred houses and a millionth of another house.
    
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    April 28, 2019 3:52pm
- kevn
  
  @lil… Your mate is going to be disappointed isn’t he?
  
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  April 28, 2019 10:05am
- BrownSnake
  
  All caused by the methane coming out of
  the orifices sorry officers of the Bee Hive
  
  Fa rrrrrrrrrrrrrr T
  
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  April 28, 2019 10:38am
- Komata
  
  Lilman@0812
  
  No doubt he felt VERY virtuous while doing so.
  
  Thank you.
  
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  April 28, 2019 4:59pm
Sofia

Ramadan security
“We have appointed a Muslim who serves in the New Zealand army to help us coordinate our own security throughout our own mosques throughout the country” – Federation of Islamic Associations president Mustafa Farouk, https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/387916/plans-to-increase-mosque-security-during-ramadan

How does Farouk deal with a member of the New Zealand military.
Who is responsible for the person and under what agency: military or Police?
And who, in turn, is the New Zealand army Muslim advising, organising, or even supervising?
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April 28, 2019 8:14am
- Jules99
  
  If you appoint on religious grounds you could end up with the dishwasher planning security. Can’t assume that people in the army are any good at security. They are trained to take orders. Oh well.
  
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  April 28, 2019 8:36am
  - Tall Man
    
    But a few are trained to give those orders.
    
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    April 28, 2019 12:24pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It could be simply window-dressing.
  
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  April 28, 2019 8:51am
- Stephen James
  
  And who’s paying?
  
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  April 28, 2019 9:23am
- cmm
  
  “coordinate our own security”
  
  Why? Judging by the last few days it looks like the NZ Police ARE their private security.
  
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  April 28, 2019 9:28am
- Psycho Milt
  
  How does Farouk deal with a member of the New Zealand military.
  
  By talking to them, I expect. Remember all that stuff about how this is a free country and we have freedom of speech, that you guys are supposedly so big on? Serving NZ soldiers are allowed to talk to people, unless you’re planning some sort of fascist dictatorship.
  
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  April 28, 2019 11:21am
- BrownSnake
  
  Stop asking too Many Questions will you?
  
  For Christs Sake
  Are we allowed to say that without threat of arrest?
  
  You will get the entire forum shut down
  for question radicalism and question
  extremism>
  
  especially if you are asking extremely difficult questions you will be classified as a questionable
  question extremist who asks extremely difficult
  questions?
  
  and be monitored without Question?
  
  And do not Question any of the numerous Cults because those are classified as
  
  Diffi Cult
  
  questions?
  
  Do not Question their motives or agenda and accept everything they feed you and all the sheep in NZ. Shut up and pay your increasing taxes
  without question donate your house to the government worship Jacinda and DO NOT
  ASK QUESTIONS and everything will be fine
  
  She is entirely capable.
  
  of you will be arrested by the
  
  Question Police for
  
  Question Speech
  
  It is ok to ask questions as long as they are the ones they write for you and put it front of you
  
  OK COMRADE
  
  Difficult Questions Forget it
  
  Also do not use Humour to elicit responses
  
  It is not funny ok it is all very serious.
  
  NZ has serious issues to address and if you
  ask fewer Questions the Global Digital Hi Tech
  gulag can be implemented Faster
  
  After which that all your questions will be answered.
  
  And the Answers to all you questions will be clear.
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:20pm
Happychappy

This is just another blatant attempt to cover up the Prime Ministers shortcomings over Child Poverty, Bill English was making headway with his policy and all that we have heard with Jacinda’s is lies and excuses.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/why-fixing-child-poverty-won-t-be-easy.html
Well being good at attention seeking doesn’t offset your inept ability on policy.
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April 28, 2019 8:38am
- ducklin71
  
  We already pay taxes to help those who need it. All I hear in that article is “give us more free money”. You never hear the hard questions asked- how does one end up in dire straits to begin with? If there is no work in your town, WTF are you doing about it to improve your situation? Moving perhaps? Yeah right!
  
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  April 28, 2019 10:08am
- BrownSnake
  
  We love you Jacinda
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:41pm
- Piniwi
  
  But H the tax cuts now well gone and forgotten would have lifted 50,000 out of poverty as a result of the healthy surplus. The COL squandered it as well as changing the metrics of measuring the problem to hide an increase of child poverty. Lol
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:44pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Piniwi what amuses me is the Salvation Army helped create this problem by biting the hand that feed it and found a way to get more funding. My old man would be rolling in his grave now and he gave them heaps in his time. They would never get a donation from me either nowadays as they might as well be a political party with the way they carry on.
    
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    April 28, 2019 4:05pm
Andrei

Christ is Risen!
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April 28, 2019 8:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Воистину воскрес!
  
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  April 28, 2019 9:30am
- BrownSnake
  
  We love you Jacinda
  
  You are close to God
  
  Remember you are blessed to live in Socialist
  Secular Democracy
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:42pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  He is risen indeed, Alleluia.
  
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  April 28, 2019 2:05pm
Rodney Randall

RNZ circa 8:35am Sunday.

“NZ Police are investigating people with right wing views.”

1984

VOTE LABOUR OUT.
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April 28, 2019 9:07am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What do you consider “right-wing” views to be?
  
  I suspect anyone who disagrees with the prevailing narratives regarding:
  – Climate change
  – Immigration
  – The “oppressed” groups of society
  – Etc.
  
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  April 28, 2019 9:37am
  - ducklin71
    
    Climate change only affects “communities of colour” lol. (aka the “ghetto”) Climate change is racist.
    
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    April 28, 2019 10:11am
  - srylands
    
    I think things are particularly dire if you live in Wellington. There is a prevailing orthodoxy around hate speech, well being, Maori, poverty, the Treaty, te reo. It comes as a governing meme for social interaction. It has always existed, but my sense is that people who don’t agree with some or all of it are fearful of expressing their views.
    
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    April 28, 2019 10:19am
    - Batman
      
      I live in Wellington and while yes it is definitely a red/green town, politics is freely debated as you would expect in a government town. In fact it is a common refrain that we need to remember that other parts of the country don’t care about politics as much as Wellington people do!
      
      The key is to just not hang out with the usual radicals who spend too much time on Twitter ?
      
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      April 28, 2019 11:29am
      - srylands
        
        My solution was to relocate to Christchurch.
        
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        April 28, 2019 11:55am
  - kowtow
    
    A bit of a worry really .
    
    The list is said to be “top secret” but stuff say they got a copy of part of it !
    
    More questions for the Minister , or will an apparent serious breach of security go largely un reported , while the salacious naughty stuff gets hyped up again by the same media ?
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112287710/christchurch-terror-attack-more-than-100-people-being-monitored-by-police
    
    ‘Stuff has obtained part of a top secret list that names those who are of concern to police following the March 15 terror attack. Stuff has chosen not to name anyone on the list or contact them for security reasons.’
    
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    April 28, 2019 10:23am
  - cmm
    
    Hint: This is considered a “right wing” blog.
    
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    April 28, 2019 10:34am
    - BrownSnake
      
      That is because NZ has been Run By Communists
      for a long time all they have to do is
      
      Sell the rest of it to them and you can live
      in Socialist Utopia
      
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      April 28, 2019 12:50pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Rather than “suspecting” things you just made up, you could always just go and read the news story and inform yourself.
    
    The police are monitoring:
    
    More than 100 people – including white supremacists, Muslim converts and people left disgruntled by the Christchurch terror attack…
    
    …
    
    The list, which is understood to have included more than 100 people, includes “disaffected” people with firearm licences, and others with racist and radical views….
    
    If you’re worried that you might be investigated as part of that operation, maybe it’s time to rethink whether your radical views are a threat to society.
    
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    April 28, 2019 11:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      “If you’re worried that you might be investigated as part of that operation, maybe it’s time to rethink whether your radical views are a threat to society.”
      
      Who said they were holding “radical” views?
      
      Who determines what are radical?
      
      I know you see yourself as one of the “elitist lefties” but basically you are a wannabe. Your views are just a likely to be “viewed” as radical as it depends who is judging and while lefties are all excited about legislation to restrict “speech” being implemented they are too dumb to realise that the legislation may well be turned back on themselves in the future.
      
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      April 28, 2019 12:35pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        “In the future” – that’s rich. Leftists have been actively monitored by NZ’s security services and Police for as long as we’ve had such services. You guys are wetting your pants at the idea those state organs might now take the same approach to rightists, but somehow you never gave a shit when it didn’t affect you. Don’t expect any sympathy.
        
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        April 28, 2019 2:08pm
    - BrownSnake
      
      Psycho yes maybe you should consider a name
      change?
      
      Just saying for some it contradicts your message? of peace
      
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      April 28, 2019 12:48pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      “People left disgruntled by the Christchurch terror attack”?
      
      Well very few of us were particularly happy about it! What on earth is this supposed to mean?
      
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      April 28, 2019 1:01pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        It means that there are fundamentalist Muslims in NZ, that their disgruntlement over the attack was likely to be very different from yours, and that they must be monitored in case any of them start thinking about “revenge” attacks on Whitey. Is there some reason you find that implausible?
        
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        April 28, 2019 4:26pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I don’t try to fit.
    Climate change: i might believe if the science wasn’t tainted by dishonesty, the models used actual data, the 70’s cooling eventuated and the sun didn’t lose its spots. A cooler world would be more difficult to live in.
    
    Immigration: why are Christians not chosen as immigrants? Muslims have vastly different beliefs to most Kiwis and a committal to change our society.
    
    Oppressed is what you make of it–the COL would oppress taxpayers to fund their control plans.
    
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    April 28, 2019 2:16pm
- Rob2
  
  Perhaps someone sometime will describe for us all what that means.
  
  That shooter wasn’t right wing.
  He was an extremist who decided he didn’t like Muslims.
  
  That’s not right wing. He wasn’t even a terrorist was he.
  He was a nutter.
  After all Hitler was a fascist or left wing.
  
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  April 28, 2019 10:03am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Ah, Fascism…
    Everything within the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State… or words to that effect.
    
    Sounds pretty left-wing and “group-thinking” to me.
    
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    April 28, 2019 12:40pm
  - peterwn
    
    I commented about this on nz.politics years ago. The political spectrum is like a clock face. A centrist party would sit at noon, a left wing party around 9 o’clock and a right wing party at around 3 o’clock. An extreme left wing party would be at 7 o’clock and an extreme right wing party at 5 o’clock. If either becomes more extreme it approaches 6 o’clock, in other words there is no real difference between an extreme left or right wing party.
    I think even the late Janice Graham, a fairly prolific left wing poster on nz.politics (but a good sort) recognised this.
    
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    April 28, 2019 12:45pm
    - cmm
      
      Why use only one dimension?
      
      How about using an x, y and z axis?
      
      One axis is globalism vs regionalism/nationalism.
      Another axis is individual vs communal ownership/management.
      Another axis is individual responsibility vs statism.
      
      Tne only real difference between facism and communism is that facists are nationalistic while communists are globalist.
      
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      April 28, 2019 1:28pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Saw a Tee-shirt this morn… make Orwell fiction again… might just have to buy one.
  https://the-philosophers-shirt.com/make-orwell-fiction-again-fun-shirt?prop%5Bcolor%5D=black&product=32&side=front
  
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  April 28, 2019 11:09am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I saw one that said “I’m CDO; that’s like OCD, but the letters are in the right order”
    
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    April 28, 2019 3:06pm
- BrownSnake
  
  We love you police
  
  We love you Jacinda
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:50pm
srylands

I think you are reading too much into it. A Muslim in the army does not equal the army organising security.
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April 28, 2019 9:16am
- Southern Raider
  
  How can someone in the army “freelance” on a private basis? Only way this is possible is its been politically directed
  
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  April 28, 2019 10:46am
  - srylands
    
    Or it could be misreported. I wouldn’t read much into it.
    
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    April 28, 2019 12:55pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It reads as though one of their Islamic colleagues is an Army Officer from whom they are getting advice. Good–within normal limits that should not require approval from anyone.The mosques should be concerned to protect themselves. That’s perfectly proper.
      
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      April 28, 2019 2:23pm
Rob2

So is Simon ( “I think”), going to make a stand for Freedom of Speech today or is he going to roll over like he did with guns.?
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April 28, 2019 9:22am
- softail 1450
  
  Rob2, That national parties capitulation on the theft of NZrs legal firearms for no other reason except “vote loss fear” was the last straw for me ,
  our political system is in crisis and none of that shit on all sides of the house will be able to fix it.
  Its all an easy downhill slide from here and the person most responsible in my opinion is that maggot Peters.
  
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  April 28, 2019 9:37am
  - Ian Boag
    
    So. National and Labour and Greens and Peters all supported the gun legislation and it was Peters who drove it all. Really?
    
    Still – we live in a sort of free country, so you won’t be under any compulsion to ever vote for Peters. If I was an NZF supporter I doubt that your rant above would change my mind …..
    
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    April 28, 2019 12:44pm
Im Right

I see Shane Jones’s slush fund hits another controversy, this time giving funds to 2 small airline companies (one who didn’t even ask/apply for funds) totaling 30mil. This has been scuppered by other ‘signatories’ of the fund.
Shane Jones will bring down this CoL with his slush fund….let him spend spend spend as he cannot seem to keep away controversy and scandals.
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April 28, 2019 9:23am
- Happychappy
  
  I’m waiting to see how much money it will cost to link the North Rail to the Auckland Ports and what Winston demands to get a safe seat for Shane Jones and NZ First. With a new tunnel and plenty to be done to obtain this with two more reports to be done by the working group plenty of cash would have been spent already.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2019/04/exclusive-no-point-investing-in-northport-without-building-rail-link-working-group.html
  Interesting times a head to get this bribe up and running.
  
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  April 28, 2019 11:05am
  - MarkF
    
    And the rail link will need to be double-tracked and run separately to Auckland commuter lines if would even stand a chance to work. They are some pretty big ifs!
    
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    April 28, 2019 12:07pm
  - Paulus
    
    Are we to presume that the Peters’ Party will be gifted a safe Labour seat in the next election as part of the secret deal with Ardern ?
    Looks like it.
    
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    April 28, 2019 1:14pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      What Labour MP is going to be asked/told to give up their safe Labour seat for Peters and take their chances via the List? Turkeys don’t vote for an early Thanksgiving.
      
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      April 28, 2019 3:07pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The notion, as I understand it that, is that a port will be built at Whangarei or thereabouts to surplant Auckland and that Thomas the Tank Engine will haul the containers to Auckland.
    
    Has any economist other than Shane Jones been consulted?
    Is this where the hospital reductions are going to fund the massive planning excrcise.
    
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    April 28, 2019 2:34pm
- srylands
  
  Small regional airlines are a great investment. ?
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:57pm
Humble Capitalist

A mate of mine’s work has gone on strike at one of its branches with placards stating that the company refuses to pay the ‘living wage’ which will increase to above $21 later this year. All led by First Union.
The MSM reports that the company makes millions of dollars profit every year. What it conveniently doesnt mention is that this branch has been consistently trading at losses every year. It also doesnt explore what will happen to those on $21-$24 already – yes thats right they will have grounds to demand $25-$30. All in a business unit that is trying to make ground with specialised product in the Chinese market.
Perhaps this will start a wave of strikes for the living wage across the country. Or perhaps they might all lose their jobs?
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April 28, 2019 9:31am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Do you mean “$21 per hour before tax”?
  
  That may drive some companies out of business and will result in unemployment…?
  How is a minimum wage good for start-ups, getting youth into their first jobs, and competition?
  Is there a risk of large companies using “minimum wages” to suppress competition?
  
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  April 28, 2019 9:40am
  - Ian Boag
    
    It’s so obvious that it doesn’t need to be stated.
    
    “Increases in the minimum wage decrease employment”
    
    It is so obvious that there should be any number of examples of where this has happened. So I went and looked. There have been studies in several countries – US, UK to name a couple. Generally run by either think tanks or academic economists. Nothing particularly left about them.
    
    No obvious examples showed up. I am as confused as anyone else.
    
    Go figure …..
    
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    April 28, 2019 12:51pm
    - Ross12
      
      Look at Seattle.
      
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      April 28, 2019 1:33pm
  - artemisia
    
    Minimum wage didn’t work for our small business. Young people with few clues and a patchy work ethic. Not all but most. Don’t hire them any more, but instead have taken on older, more experienced people. Pay them twice as much plus some. Works well, as do they.
    
    Having said that, recently took on a chap for a few hours a week just out of the big house to work alongside and help one of our older guys. So far so good.
    
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    April 28, 2019 4:49pm
- wreck1080
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  A capital gains tax would have helped alleviate such strikes as the lower income tax rates would have been slashed leaving more in the hand after tax.
  
  Unfortunately, I can see that there is going to be a huge swing to socialism in future.
  
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  April 28, 2019 10:00am
  - Batman
    
    I wouldn’t call it “slashed” but yes the tax free threshold and a lower bottom rate might have helped min wage workers a fair bit
    
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    April 28, 2019 10:03am
  - JeffW
    
    Lower taxes for all could be achieved easily without a CGT. All that has to happen is for govt to stop wasting money. Sack Shane Jones would be a small start.
    
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    April 28, 2019 10:13am
    - JB.49
      
      Au contraire, that would be a great start!
      
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      April 28, 2019 4:40pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Would the lower income tax rate be slashed? Never saw a proposal or any analysis on that. I think that given the long lead time before CGT would have produced any meaningful revenue, “slashed” might be better described as another chewing gum tax cut. But as I say, we never saw any proposal. They threw in the towel as soon as they heard the bell for round one.
    
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    April 28, 2019 10:19am
    - Batman
      
      It was in the working group proposals. It just didn’t get much attention.
      
      Budget day is coming though.
      
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      April 28, 2019 11:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    You keep pushing the CGT barrow.
    
    Firstly, the final status was that it would not be tax neutral as the coalition decided there were other projects they would use any extra tax on.
    
    Secondly, there was to be no “increase” in the tax take as the CGT would take many years to implement and reach a point of collecting any money.
    
    If this was such a “needed” tax, how come National had signaled a tax drop for 2018 during the 2017 election campaign?
    
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    April 28, 2019 12:46pm
  - Rob2
    
    You know that to be true cause????????
    
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    April 28, 2019 1:51pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Socialists take and spend, not cut tax rates.
    
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    April 28, 2019 2:47pm
- Rob2
  
  My son just bought himself a new boat. Tried the tinnies but just too noisy for fishing. Gone back to glass. Really pleased with it.
  Here’s the rub.
  Designed in NZ by Kiwi’s
  Sold in NZ by Kiwi’s and now around the world.
  Made in China because of the cost factor.
  
  That’s what will happen to their jobs.
  And who is to blame?
  won’t be the company.
  
  Same thing is happening to lots of industry.
  Only a really low dollar will save them.
  
  Swimming pools made in China these days.
  
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  April 28, 2019 10:08am
  - Batman
    
    You can still get NZ built boats. It’s just a matter of whether you are driven by quality or cost.
    
    Personally I wouldn’t touch an aluminum or glass boat built in China. I’ve seen them bend and crack in standard Wellington conditions!
    
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    April 28, 2019 11:40am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      What wouldn’t bend and crack in standard Wellington conditions?
      
      😉
      
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      April 28, 2019 12:41pm
      - Rob2
        
        Even the bloody well built up to code buildings fall over.
        
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        April 28, 2019 1:50pm
- alien
  
  living wage isn’t a legal wage rate so no company has to pay it.
  
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  April 28, 2019 11:24am
Maggie Pie

I wonder if its just me? I heard Simon on the news this morning getting himself really really wound-up about Corrections ..”spending a million dollars on 200 ‘Ice Slushy Machines’ to keep prison guards cool over summer.” Can harsdly wait for Q Time 🙂
My partner reckons maybe it would have been cheaper to have issued them Mr Whippy vouchers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7pv4Qivn_c
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April 28, 2019 9:49am
- Rob2
  
  Came across FB. Commented that I thought he had more inportant things to be talking about including Freedom of speech and why he rolled over on guns.
  
  Looking down the page someone worked out that it was $2.70 a day over 3 months per officer. Not worth looking foolish for IMHO.
  
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  April 28, 2019 10:13am
- sooty
  
  What only for the gaurds, what about the inmates, don’t they get all hot and bothered breaking rocks?
  
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  April 28, 2019 10:41am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: As far as I am concerned prison guards deserve the ice slushy machines AND Mr Whippy vouchers…they do a difficult and dangerous job, with fuck all support from their bosses – it’s all about the prisoners’ welfare, not theirs – and for fuck all pay. Would you want to guard violent gang members for $50,000 a year? Not me.
  
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  April 28, 2019 11:20am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sorry if the sarc was lost on you there DG but that was exactly my point! My partner was saying these poor guys have to waer about an xtra 10kg of safety gear every day in case an inmate trys to stab them or something – no matter what the weather. We just thort Simon could have found something a lot more important to focus on. God knows who must advising him – Judith?
    
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    April 28, 2019 11:34am
  - srylands
    
    Agree. Simon is acting like an Opposition Leader out of ideas. So let’s bark at every car driving past instead.
    
    It’s this craziness that had some Wellington government agencies terrified to buy decent coffee machines for their staff. Of course in house decent coffee stops them going outside to buy it, and losing at least 20 minutes each day.
    
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    April 28, 2019 1:03pm
- alien
  
  it’s not as if they can go down to the shop and get a nice cold drink on hot days. No problem with this, also would have no problem if they were given far more to make their job easier for them.
  
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  April 28, 2019 11:27am
- MrTips
  
  Bridges is showing signs of losing it. This, combined with the roading, are issues that are going to make him look stupid.
  
  He has 4 months left or get out. He’s not doing as well as he was and you need an electorally appealling leader NOW.
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:46pm
thepolecat

https://www.national.org.nz/corrections_million_dollar_slushy_fund?fbclid=IwAR14qLVRvsc_tnq_ghk2irL6BlLD2RcApDfEXJnJ8auO2hMht9PLrmNJeaw

Bridges is hopeless.

I was a prison guard at Mt Eden until April last year. You want to go and work in a unit with 56 sweaty, angry young men, while the air conditioning isn’t working and we are wearing an 8 kilogram stabproof vest. I never got to have a “slushy” but we handed out iceblocks to prisoners twice a day for the whole summer of 17-18. Guess why our air conditioning wasn’t working? Because the former National Government privatised Mt Eden and SERCO had refused to fix the air conditioning system. Once SERCO was kicked out, the Department of Corrections argued with them as to who should pay for the fix.

This is so petty. $1m is the cost of 10 prisoners being housed for an entire year, a number that (rightly or wrongly) this Government has reduced significantly. Corrections has around 4000 fulltime prison staff. $1m equates to $250 per staff member. Over say what, 12 weeks? So the slushy machines cost under $21 per week per staff member, or less than an hour of overtime per week (which is nothing).

Bridges attacks frontline staff for keeping cool over summer when he could walk down the road to any departmental office in Wellington and look wasteful spending bureaucrats with travel accounts and big lunches in the face. How much did he waste as a Minister, as Opposition Leader? On legal fees fighting Jami-Lee Ross?
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April 28, 2019 10:19am
- Happychappy
  
  Judging by your attitude you would have been a real hit with the prison population.
  
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  April 28, 2019 11:41am
  - thepolecat
    
    I was firm but fair.
    
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    April 28, 2019 12:00pm
- kevn
  
  I would have thought a chilled water device would have been better. Simple to maintain.
  
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  April 28, 2019 2:48pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Prisoners shouldn’t have air conditioning.
  
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  April 28, 2019 7:33pm
kowtow

A win in the culture wars.

‘Conservative philosopher Sir Roger Scruton has won a spectacular victory against the New Statesman – the left-wing magazine which interviewed him and then tried to smear him as a racist, bigot and anti-Semite.’

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/04/25/sir-roger-scruton-vindicated-over-leftist-smears/
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April 28, 2019 10:25am
Wired-one

$5000 per slushy machine? At least our tax dollars are being spent wisely ffs.
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April 28, 2019 10:45am
- alien
  
  I have no problem with it if it makes prison staff job easier. Not as if they can walk out the gate and go down to the shop and get a cold drink on hot days like most people can do. Tough thankless job, hope they get lots of use out of it
  
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  April 28, 2019 11:45am
Southern Raider

Another day another attack on a place of worship

This time a synagogue in San Diego

I struggle to comprehend murder anyway but what type of sicko (whether Islamist or white supremacist) blows up or shoots kids
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April 28, 2019 10:50am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And theyre saying it has been linked to the Christchurch massacre 🙂
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:10pm
- mara
  
  Southern Raider, if you want to better understand this shooter’s motive, read his manifesto. I found it on barenakedislam.com. It is very simimar to Tarrant’s one.
  
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  April 28, 2019 1:08pm
BrownSnake

HOT OF THE PRESS
HOT OF THE PRESS

READ ALL ABOUT IT

READ ALL ABOUT IT

The Australian Reporter/Journo
that is oz for Journalist

who hugged Jacinda

BIG HUG TELLY TUBBY’S

BIG HUG

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1888708/Video-Waleed-Aly-Jacinda-Ardern-embrace-ahead-emotional-interview.html

Has Finally Finally Spoken on
Sri Lanka

WOW WHAT AN ARTICLE
WOW WHAT INTELLECT

WOW WOW WOW WOW

WHAT JOURNALISM
WHAT INSIGHT
WHAT PROSE

YOU MUST READ

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/the-sri-lankan-attacks-are-uniquely-senseless-20190425-p51h2v.html

Leaves out one important FACT and
DISCUSSION POINT?

One of the Suicide Bombers was in fact
Radicalised in Australia associated with
known Australian Jihadists

His family state he came back
from AUS CHANGED?

TRULY FASCINATING

The Best lies are always omissions

That is how Censorship Works

Promote Lies Censor the Truth
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April 28, 2019 10:53am
JibberJabber

So, Passover Worshippers?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6967437/Several-injured-gun-man-opens-fire-San-Diego-Synagogue.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus
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April 28, 2019 11:04am
- JibberJabber
  
  Committed by another PoS that has posted a
  “manifesto” .
  
  This was reported to the FBI in advance from a good samaratin who’d seen his post on 8chan. This could have and should have been stopped.
  
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  April 28, 2019 11:29am
  - Jules99
    
    Wouldn’t be surprised if the FBI were already all over 8chan. That’s where all the extremist stuff is, so if they are not, I would be questioning why not.
    
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    April 28, 2019 2:59pm
- The King
  
  Passover is the worship of first born Egypt males slaughtered by an ‘angel of death’ who “passed over” the houses that Israelite’s marked by smearing blood over the doors.
  
  Fascinating stuff.
  
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  April 28, 2019 2:26pm
Maggie Pie

A wise Doctor once wrote:

` ~ ~ ^ \ ~~ >^ 1x ~~
– ` < ' `~ ^ ` ` .
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April 28, 2019 11:26am
- Fletch
  
  Might have to ask a pharmacist about that one…
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VONoYWxSAsI
  
  Larry – always getting into trouble..
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:03pm
453mm

Roots of Wellbeing Budget reach back to National

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/26/552310/roots-of-wellbeing-budget-reach-back-to-national#
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April 28, 2019 11:27am
- kevn
  
  @453… English had some very good social programmes underway, hardly reported by the msm at the time. Several of them were just binned by the CoL.
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:40pm
cmm

JAG’s zero road toll really is not working.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12225856

That’s the problem with this aspirational crap. It does not achieve anything.

Aspirational goals are not goals. Goals are measurable and achievable. Aspirational goals are neither of those.
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April 28, 2019 11:56am
- alien
  
  crash on a road in canterbury that has been waiting since december 2017 for improvements to be made, seems to be almost a crash a week there at the moment
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112293670/two-critical-after-crash-on-state-highway-1-intersection-in-canterbury
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:05pm
- kevn
  
  @cmm…. Just dribble from jag. Don’t expect anything positive under her watch.
  just
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  April 28, 2019 12:42pm
- Ultima
  
  They are good for slogans and click bait headlines. That’s all.
  
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  April 28, 2019 12:43pm
- Rob2
  
  Actually a lot of the things they are doing are common sense. Watch the interview on yesterdays Nation. You might be surprised. Simon just wouldn’t understand the logic.
  
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  April 28, 2019 1:47pm
cmm

Herald’s quality journalism:

“An Auckland hiker was found frozen and unable to move in freezing temperatures ”

Now I understand them using “frozen” once as a colloquialism for “very cold”, but they use it multiple times.

It was not freezing temperatures. It was about 7 degrees. Nothing would freeze. Even with a wind chill factor of -10C, that only gives the cooling rate – it does not mean anything would actually freeze.

Dudes, if you’re frozen you’re dead. No two ways about it.

As for the hiker. The dumb prick deserves his arse kicked for endangering others. I hope they throw the book at him.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12225855
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April 28, 2019 12:12pm
dcrown

It is shameful that self-described anti-semite Ilhan Omar was allowed to enter congress. KKK leader Daved Duke has called her the “most important Member of the US Congress.” And now there is a second synagogue shooting in California. The Democrat Party has blood on their hands …

http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/7/david-duke-praises-rep-ilhan-omar
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April 28, 2019 12:39pm
- The King
  
  David Duke is not the leader of the KKK, if you’re going to sell your agenda you need to be accurate because lying gives you no credibility.
  
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  April 28, 2019 1:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke heaps praise on Rep. Ilhan Omar.
    
    Semantics.
    
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    April 28, 2019 4:21pm
srylands

Yet another high casualty crash. Looks like zero road deaths is not working out too well.

It would not surprise me if the government canvasses a 80 kmh speed limit on undivided roads. They are certainly not building new ones.

Until we have divided roads on all high volume routes this will keep on happening.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12225856

This is the road where the crash occurred. Just takes a second of inattention.

State Highway 1
https://maps.app.goo.gl/9qmxtcjkZk6EfmkFA
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April 28, 2019 12:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  We have been driving these roads, and worse, for many years and have been having this type of accident.
  
  I am sick of “the road” being cited as the problem, it isn’t, it is the poor driving which we all see every day.
  
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  April 28, 2019 4:13pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    There is now three times as much traffic on these rural two-lane main highways as there was 40 years ago but the roads haven’t changed much.
    Now, a car going on the wrong side is six times more likely to have a head-on instead of harmlessly skidding into the ditch.
    There needs to be a commitment to four-lane the whole of SH1. It will be a 40 year project but it should have started 40 years ago.
    Not likely to get the attention of the current muppets.
    
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    April 28, 2019 5:02pm
    - Tall Man
      
      But the onus is still on the drivers.
      
      Compare our licencing system to most other countries and we are sadly lacking in driver training.
      
      I’m sure you have driven in the UK on their tiny back roads and there don’t seem to be the same level of nutters as we have.
      
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      April 28, 2019 6:51pm
      - srylands
        
        You are right about the standard of driving. I drive a lot in Australia and the standard is noticbly higher.
        
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        April 29, 2019 6:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

Parliament hemorrhaging staff.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/111463683/nearly-30-back-office-workers-have-quit-parliament-in-three-months?rm=m

This is happening on Jacinda’s and Trevor’s watch…..but look how the story is cast as being something that was happening a few years back.
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April 28, 2019 12:43pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The parliamentarians I would like to see exit have super-glued their snouts into the trough so not much chance there unfortunately,.
  
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  April 28, 2019 1:03pm
- alien
  
  id say it has likely happened under a lot of PM
  
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  April 28, 2019 1:26pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I need context.
  Is it normal for nearly 30 back-office staff to quit in a 3-month period? At this time of year?
  
  If there were, say, 3,000 back-office staff, that would be a 1% turnover.
  
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  April 28, 2019 1:50pm
  - kevn
    
    @Oda… Wait long enough and there will be 3000 staff.
    Using your sum, 1% would be the annual t/o. Not the same for one quarter.
    
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    April 28, 2019 3:27pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I meant over the 3-month period.
      
      What is normal for these kinds of positions?
      
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      April 28, 2019 4:18pm
- kowtow
  
  Most open and transparent , oh well no doubt the Wellness Budget will fix everything …….
  
  ‘Gonzalez-Montero sent an internal email to staff this week claiming former staff “may be breaking non-disclosure agreements” by speaking to journalists.
  
  He refused to say how many staff have signed a gag order or whether he had issued warnings to those involved.’
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112251435/beehive-staffer-says-she-cried-all-the-way-home-after-parliamentary-bullying
  
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  April 28, 2019 2:32pm
  - sooty
    
    Which side of the house, were they employed?
    How’s Mallards bullying investergation?
    Was this before or after?
    
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    April 28, 2019 3:25pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    A contractual term requiring non-disclosure of what may have been a criminal act or conduct is of dubious enforceability. It would be reprehensible for Parliamentary Services to attempt to gag former employees that way.
    
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    April 28, 2019 3:58pm
BrownSnake

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April 28, 2019 12:58pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Is that you Stephiboy? He was fond of posting fart clips. ?
  
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  April 28, 2019 4:21pm
Inandout

Maggy, you didn’t give us AVance warning before we read that article. As a consequence I shall go for a brisk walk.
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April 28, 2019 1:02pm
Rob2

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112300352/people-injured-in-serious-crash-near-taup

8 Killed
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April 28, 2019 1:46pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I can see why the police need to double-down on 4-kmh-over-the-limit speeding on expressways, high-grade motorways and Tamaki Drive…
  
  …wait? What do you mean these were rural speeders on poorly-maintained tar-bled roads in the rain, in SUVs or vans where not everyone wears safety belts (because it’s a people-mover)?
  
  .. Never mind! Double-down on the urban speeders and “been seen to do something!”
  
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  April 28, 2019 3:11pm
  - cmm
    
    There are no dangerous roads. There are only drivers that do not drive to conditions.
    
    And yes, you can avoid a lot of crashes that are someone else’s fault by driving defensively.
    
    Always assume that if you can’t see the road ahead of you (eg. corner), then there is some dickhead broken down or overtaking on the wrong side of the road.
    
    Sure you can’t avoid them all, but you can still avoid most.
    
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    April 28, 2019 8:25pm
- sooty
  
  10yr old boy is the only survivor!
  
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  April 28, 2019 3:21pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Tragic.
    
    How could this accident have been avoided by the driver?
    
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    April 28, 2019 4:20pm
- kevn
  
  8? …. must have been a 2x vehicles no seat belts been worn, collision.
  
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  April 28, 2019 3:24pm
  - srylands
    
    Apparently there was just the driver in an SUV and eight people in the van. You see a lot lower income large families in 20 year old people movers. Just tin cans on wheels. Nobody in the rear wearing seat belts.
    
    And yet they allowed to stay on the road. Get these people off the road and go after both aggressive idiots and slow nannas who drive at 70 oblivious to the queue of 20 vehicles behind them.
    
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    April 28, 2019 4:41pm
  - Rob2
    
    1 car & 1suv. all on the news.
    
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    April 28, 2019 7:19pm
ducklin71

Who’d want to work for them? :). Mallard has always been a dickhead, now he looks like an OLD dickhead.
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April 28, 2019 2:30pm
Happychappy

It looks like Andrew Little is determined to change the Law on free speech and hate speech, maybe he is still upset over the bagging he got when Leader of the opposition.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12225871
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April 28, 2019 4:37pm
- alien
  
  ok Andrew says
  
  “But just being offensive or disagreeable does not necessarily make something harmful. Controversial issues in New Zealand, such as immigration policy or indigenous rights and reconciliation with the Treaty of Waitangi, will continue to be the subject of public debate. And so they should. ”
  
  But
  
  ““One basic element of this new agreement is the extension of the definition of hate speech.
  
  “The agreement wants to criminalise migration speech. Criticism of migration will become a criminal offence.
  
  “Media outlets that give room to criticism of migration can be shut down.
  
  “The compact for migration is legalisation of mass migration.”
  
  https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1052923/UN-migration-agreement-Angela-Merkel-EU-criticise-migration-hate-crime
  
  Maybe that has changed now?
  
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  April 28, 2019 6:46pm
  - Prince
    
    So what about an MP who blames housing crisis on Asian buyers ?
    
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    April 28, 2019 7:26pm
  - cmm
    
    I’m an immigrant so I can say anything I want and you can all get screwed!
    
    What do you mean it doesn’t apply to me because I’m a white immigrant?
    
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    April 28, 2019 8:18pm
- Tall Man
  
  “But in the immediate wake of the March 15 mosque attacks, many citizens from minority ethnic and religious communities told of how opinions and statements they routinely see on social media and other public platforms make them feel threatened, unwelcome and alienated.”
  
  So its being driven by muslims?
  
  How about they get their own houses in order before looking to remove our rights. Let’s see them protesting in Saudi Arabia over the 37 beheadings last week including an 18 year old boy for posting “inappropriate comments on social media or is that the conclusion of the legislation they’d like to see here?
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6955043/Criminal-beheaded-Saudi-Arabia-just-16-arrested.html
  
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  April 28, 2019 6:57pm
- BrownSnake
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJMqdTr7IQM
  
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  April 28, 2019 7:17pm
cmm

Radical Muslim makes firearms threats and it’s all good!

“First F— the NZ Government for treating me and the bros like terrorists and while they let the real one kill. Second we got guns too and we will defend ourselves.”

I bet if I said something like that I’d have cops at my door.

Of course he’s happy because the people he sees as his enemy are being screwed over harder than he is.

And Nashy: “Police Minister Stuart Nash said he could not comment on the list but said the terror threat level remained at medium, with the police response the “largest ever criminal investigation” in New Zealand history.”

Bullshit mate, this is not a criminal investigation. It is a purge; a witch hunt!

A criminal investigation is an attempt to crack down on a specific person or people who committed or are associated with a specific criminal act. The criminal was caught 6 weeks ago and all his associates are way down South. Raids on people making posts on Facebook etc are not part of the criminal investigation but a wider operation. They are just exploiting this event for a crackdown on anyone that speaks their mind.

So far this has been used to:
* Clamp down on firearm ownership by law abiding people.
* Push through hate speech legislation etc.
* Come down heavy on the likes of KB.
* Threaten to shut down any media that don’t toe the line. Say bye-bye to the number 1 slot in press freedom.
* Work up international cooperation to censor social media.
* Hand out residence permits to people on temporary visas.
* Force through Global Compact on Migration.
* What’s next?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112302738/radical-muslim-convert-happy-for-police-to-do-due-diligence
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