General Debate 27 April 2019

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noskire

S(pray) and Walk Away.

Jacinda Ardern won’t be New Zealand’s Prime Minister in 2021. Nor the leader of the New Zealand Labour Party.

In her ultimate Captain’s Call, the ever starry-eyed RT. Hon Ardern, leader of the most open, transparent and honest Government that New Zealand has ever seen, will step down after the 2020 election.

And don’t believe Ardern will be stepping down because she isn’t popular amongst the general populace, or her beloved party comrades.

Because walking, waving and frowning to other people walking, waving and frowning back, is enough in New Zealand politics if things are ticking along OK.

Throw in a a national disaster or two, milk the caring sympathy card, walk, wave and frown, and that is a guaranteed home and hosed for re-election.

So Ardern will be placed to cite a desire to spend more time with her family. The day to day grind of New Zealand politics bore her. Policy is boring. Details are boring. Releasing the secret details of the coalition agreement is boring.

Partner Clarke Gayford will work on his walking and waving too, but his frowning-face will stay that of a stunned mullet.

But don’t forget walking, waving and tilted frowning-faces will also produce some nice, free family pictures for family photo album, ever so kindly sponsored by tabloid trash.

Walking, waving and the tilted frowning-face are boring too, but yet they do make people feel special. Especially when done in New York.

So will 2021 be Ardern’s shot for X-Factor? Walking, waving and the occasional tilted frown-face.
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April 27, 2019 8:01am
- Gravelroad
  
  So who would the Labour Party/Winston 1st select to replace Ms Ardern -assuming she stood down after the next election?
  Not a lot to choose from there.
  Back to Little? Robertson?
  Nah. The Labour Party is nothing without Ardern. She is their ticket to power, money and social engineering.
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:19am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Nah. The Labour Party is nothing without Ardern.’
    
    What does that say about the average swing voter .Of whom there’s enough to create this COL?
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:06am
    - srylands
      
      Voters are strange folk.
      
      There are similarities in the Australian situation in 2007 when voters dumped John Howard just because they wanted a fresh face. That was despite 16 years of uninterrupted growth (the economic reforms of Keating deserve most of the credit for that growth).
      
      Anyway the voters got Kevin Rudd who was jolly enough but a sociopath who wrecked the fiscal picture and really did nothing of any good. And things have never really recovered since.
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:01am
  - noskire
    
    That’s the million dollar question.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:12am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I’d be pleased if it cost as little as a mil, chump change to this collective rabble of nothingness . . .
      
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      April 27, 2019 6:08pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Oh, there are a few there who have charisma in their own heads…
    
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    April 27, 2019 11:16am
    - sooty
      
      As well as falling out of their own arse as well!
      
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      April 27, 2019 8:23pm
- kevn
  
  @noskire…. Would you agree that the hongi with Prince William was her career pinnacle?
  Will the celeb get together with macron outshine this?
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:22am
  - noskire
    
    She despises the royal family, but yet another convenient photo op I suspect. I was surprised her car left the mosque before HRH – he probably pranked her and said I’ll meet you down the road for a smashed avocado on roasted fennel with drizzled goat nut juice. She was all up for up, and he was straight back to the airport.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:11am
    - kevn
      
      @noskire… I have detected and observed a chameleon style.
      Almost at the flick of a switch.
      Seems to fool many.
      
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      April 27, 2019 10:05am
      - noskire
        
        If they observed her in The House they could well reconsider.
        
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        April 27, 2019 10:59am
    - GazzaW
      
      She might despise the royal family privately but needs to keep up appearances as not to do so would put her completely offside with her adoring womens’ glossies readership (and voters).
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:42am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    If I was Kate I would consider it a liberty.
    
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    April 27, 2019 12:25pm
    - kevn
      
      @Rach…. It’s all about her (JA) personal ratings.
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:50pm
- cas
  
  Note that the photo shoots are always for the Australian Women’s Weekly and Next magazine as they have a shelf life of one month compared with other women’s magazines of a week and their articles are much longer.
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:38am
  - noskire
    
    Sorry cas, haven’t noticed. I pretend to be blind and walk in to the self-checkout at Pak n Slave backwards so I don’t have to endure the shelves of tabloid trash.
    
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    April 27, 2019 8:51am
- alien
  
  with any luck all the attention on her now will see her take up a position at the UN before the next election.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:10am
  - calendar girl
    
    Why would anyone wish to impose her on the United Nations? As an organization it has enough problems already.
    
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    April 27, 2019 3:30pm
    - The King
      
      She will be right at home with all the other UN Lucis Trust, she can pray with them in the UN meditation room and sing carols for Alice Bailey.
      
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      April 27, 2019 5:30pm
- cmm
  
  She has little interest in NZ politics beyond serving as a stepping stone to the UN.
  
  She is riding on a wave of international popularity and needs to act reasonably soon to make the most of it.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:38am
  - artemisia
    
    Has Ms Ardern ever said she is aiming for a UN job?
    
    Even if she has, will Labour let her go? Certainly not until 2021 at least, and a huge wave of disaffection would follow.
    
    She has a stressful job, even if it is only part time, and a history of anxiety but she is the golden ticket.
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:15am
    - tf78
      
      I heard (about 3rd hand) it’s more to do with her YUSI Group (or whatever it is called – when she spoke in Hungary and addressed all her comrades). When you listen to her address there it seems to make more sense and I think therefore even more dangerous. I might be wearing my foil hat again though.
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:40am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Ardern will get roasted at the UN. She’s not smart enough to survive what amounts to a permanently knives-out environment. It will be a good lesson for her, one I might add that we’ll be paying for
    
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    April 27, 2019 12:36pm
    - stuarts-burgers
      
      I am sure that the cost to New Zealand to have The Right Honourable Jacinda Ardern at the UN is considerably less, than the cost that a Government lead by her would inflict upon New Zealanders as a whole.
      
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      April 27, 2019 4:55pm
      - sooty
        
        The UN even spat Helen out.
        Even she could not keep the job she had.
        How’s poor little Cindy going to handle it.
        Maybe she will take H1&H2, with her.
        
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        April 27, 2019 9:09pm
MrTips

In the aftermath of the Christchurch shootings, it shows the real ability of Jacinda Ardern and the CoL that our gun law changes have done nothing, the crooks easily steal guns from the cops and Ardern seeks SJW support from the leader of the only country to successfully execute an act of terrorism upon NZ soil.

If Hooton is right, last one turn out the light.
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April 27, 2019 8:06am
- 3-coil
  
  Good point MrTips (8:06am). And will the NZ Green Party be supportive of Adern’s cuddling up to, and fawning over the current leader of the terrorist group (France) who bombed their flagship Rainbow Warrior, and assassinated one of their members?? I suspect the malleable morals of the gutless Greenies will mean the answer is a big fat “yes”.
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:34am
  - noskire
    
    3-coil, you win the Internet today. What’s goli’s twitter address? Silly bint is probably still in bed – time to tweet her.
    
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    April 27, 2019 8:55am
- G152
  
  Shock horror.
  Criminals steal stuff.
  And some erk leaves rifles (NOT GUNS) out in the open and every-one wonders why they got nicked.
  Next thing the police will want criminals to stop being criminals because it makes them look bad.
  And standing about with weapons at the ready didn’t appear to deter the rifle (NOT GUNS FFS) thief
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I expect 11 rifles would weigh something in the vicinity of 30kg. It would be rather unwieldy to carry 11 rifles at the same time.
    
    How did this chap get them out of the cop shop into his vehicle?
    Did he tell Mr Plod that he had come to collect them and the cops took them out to his vehicle?
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:36am
    - cmm
      
      More like 40kgs. Perhaps more if they had scopes and silencers. And you’re right – not that easy even if they are on slings.
      
      Perhaps plod1 helped carry a few while plod2 held the door open?
      
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      April 27, 2019 9:46am
  - cmm
    
    Being pedantic over rifle vs guns. Ex military I presume?
    
    This is my rifle,
    This is my gun.
    This one’s for shooting
    This one’s for fun.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:41am
    - G152
      
      Yup
      
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      April 27, 2019 10:45am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    When I did National Service our instructing officer had a way of reminding us the difference.
    You would take your rifle in one hand and your old boy in the other in front of the platoon.
    “This my rifle and it is for shooting, this is my gun and it is for rooting.”
    Only happened once, message got through very quickly.
    I guess there wouldn’t be to many journalists that were conscripted these days. It is always guns.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:51am
    - Colville
      
      In your mind where is the line between rifles and guns?
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:24pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Aren’t guns the things some people have on their arms?
        
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        April 27, 2019 1:06pm
      - Hacked-Off
        
        In the military guns are artillery pieces. Rifles are the main long barreled individual firearm carried by infantry.
        
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        April 27, 2019 2:24pm
      - Lance
        
        The fun part is modern artillery is trending towards no rifling at all to increase muzzle velocity, the projectile has its own stabilising fins.
        Anti tank versions have no explosive charges at all in the ‘piercer’ , kinetic energy alone is enough.
        
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        April 27, 2019 3:14pm
      - Colville
        
        It’s just odd that someone would complain about the repeater calling them guns.
        A shotty ain’t a rifle so what is it?
        
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        April 27, 2019 3:32pm
- alien
  
  of course they have done nothing because it has only been changed two weeks. Whether it does anything only time will tell. But come on, you expect a law change that is two weeks old to of done anything yet.
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:58am
  - MrTips
    
    Alien. The purchase of an AR15 with mag clip of up to 10 WMR .22 bullets is still legal on a cat A licence. That’s a cockup of Koranic proportions one could say.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:10am
    - alien
      
      means nothing to me, I know nothing of guns, just that the handing them in is open until september. I doubt it will have any real change in NZ, but gotta give it a chance.
      
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      April 27, 2019 9:12am
      - srylands
        
        So you think it’s OK to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a policy that you don’t think will work? I can give you a list of investments that really would save lives. Like more money for pharmac. But pharmac can’t have more money because it gets pissed away on bad policy. Also we don’t talk about gdp and productivity growth any more. So there’s that.
        
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        April 27, 2019 11:10am
      - srylands
        
        I’ll concede that you are nowhere near as annoying as ztev and you are so far not rude. But did you take grammar lessons from ztev? Just curious.
        
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        April 27, 2019 11:12am
    - softail 1450
      
      Mr tips ,only if the magazine cant be removed and replaced …which with a 22 is zero,they all have removable magazines…
      
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      April 27, 2019 9:31am
      - Tall Man
        
        Many semi auto .22’s have a tube fed magazine so are not removable.
        
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        April 27, 2019 12:35pm
  - kowtow
    
    On this planet it’s ‘have’ not ‘of’.
    
    It’s not been 2 weeks . It’s been over a month, and relatively few firearms have been surrendered, only around 300 .
    
    ‘An Order in Council under section 74A(c) of the Arms Act 1983 was signed by the Governor-General on 21 March to reclassify a wider range of semi-automatic weapons under the Act. The Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms) Order 2019 came into effect at 3pm’
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:15am
Lee C

Matthew Hooten reckons Jacinda Ardern will be PM after the next election. National don’t have the numbers.

What in your opinion do national need do to ‘get the numbers’?
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April 27, 2019 8:08am
- noskire
  
  Four things that will happen:
  Bridges will be rolled within the next week or so ( I like the guy, but the cards are now stacked against him. Collins and Mark Mitchell are going to take the leadership).
  NZ First will be out of the equation at the next election (mostly right-leaning supporters).
  Labour will fight with the Gweens over the Ctrl-left vote.
  Middle-NZ will come to their senses and see what an absolute abortion of a Government that this CoL is.
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:17am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I don’t have an answer to the question as to what will get National the numbers. But I agree with Hooten’s point that JA outflanked the opposition on the CGT, it seemed the logical thing to do for the least political harm and it, at least in the meantime, left the pot of the opposition empty. I recall the claims of victory when Jacinda said the proposed tax would be dropped which seemed very odd when a proposed trophy piece for the next election was already gone. I thought that it was a telling moment that National hadn’t predicted. In telling times it might have settled some concern across the electorate. However, something else will emerge, that might cause JA to think she deflated the balloon too early, who knows.
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:28am
  - projectman
    
    “JA outflanked the opposition on the CGT”.
    
    No she didn’t, it was an ignominious retreat that leftards are trying to spin as a victory. Only those who are blind in their support will see it as so.
    
    Her actions in the aftermath of the Christchurch mass murders were really just a smokescreen hiding the reality that this government has achieved nothing and has nothing to crow about since being ‘elected’. The smoke is clearing.
    
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    April 27, 2019 8:47am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      The only people claiming a victory that I’ve seen has been the right. Perhaps I don’t follow the left as you do. I was commenting on the Hooten piece that Lee mentioned, and which I happen to agree with. ‘a smokescreen’ linked to a tragedy, really? I think you are the one crowing.
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:56am
  - Liberty
    
    “JA outflanked the opposition”
    What a load of twaddle
    CGT was a key part of a grand plan to impose a socialist utopia.
    Dear Leader simply lost her nerve.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:24am
    - Paulus
      
      Dear Leader being Peters who was NEVER going to agree to a CGT – his voters would not let him or kick him so hard that he would never recover as the Granny Tax Death Duty part would hit them all.
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:09am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Read the article for an explanations of the politics, Peter’s position is enhanced because he ‘defeated’ the CGT – that his song to sing into the next election.
        
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        April 27, 2019 11:58am
    - lilman
      
      As late as 42 hours before the press briefing Cindy was assured by Peters they would look at a revised CGT,he played her,She simply didnt see it coming.
      
      He got his Gambling reform through ,then told labour no CGT,they were shocked.
      
      This from a labour insider,thats the truth folks.
      
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      April 27, 2019 10:45pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Taxcinda showed again her lack of substance with the maids call to drop the CGT. What pushed her button will be revealed in her memoirs. Some mullet stunned her. Another confirmation of unfitness for the Office to which her Deputy appointed her.
    
    National are safe as is Simon Bridges. This self exploding COL are best left alone while they scatter their innards everywhere. More awaits–how will Grant R. ever handle any financial downtown? Will Treasury be sacked? Will Tracey Martin become an advisor to anyone? Can the Greens survive a deluge of truth about climate change? Has anyone seen the lawnmower man or the camp educators?
    ☑️ ☑️
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:48am
    - noskire
      
      I just about choked on my breakfast when you mentioned St. Jacinda’s memoirs – will they include crayons for colouring in?
      Unfortunately National can’t drift with Simon – the MSM genuinely have it in for him.
      
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      April 27, 2019 10:15am
      - Tall Man
        
        When the dust settles, watch him come out swinging.
        
        I agree, he needs to do that as he appears too conciliatory to many at the moment.
        
        I am happy with the path he has National on but to appease the “simple minded” he needs to show his bite.
        
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        April 27, 2019 12:41pm
      - projectman
        
        They do, but they will have it in for whoever leads National.
        
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        April 27, 2019 10:04pm
  - tf78
    
    I’m not sure that it wasn’t their plan all along to ditch the CGT at the last minute, because I’m sure what they have in store for us is way, way worse.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:55am
    - Jules99
      
      Those are my thoughts. Thank you Saint Jacinda for not taxing us – oh
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:15pm
    - greybeard
      
      Correct, tf78.
      The CoL made it quite clear that if CGT was to be implemented it would NOT be until after the next election.
      And National made it quite clear that they would revoke any CGT upon becoming the next government.
      So for Jacinda to be credited with some sort of machiavellian skill-set because they walked away fron CGT is just ludicrous.
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:31pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I agree wholeheartedly greybeard. National’s opposition to the CGT and Peters’ falling poll numbers forced him to stare down the PM, and the PM blinked first.
        
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        April 27, 2019 12:38pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Even more ridiculous to have Cullen being paid to sell it then.
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:40pm
    - rockape
      
      Thats what worries me , we will get CGT under a different name and maybe before an election.
      
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      April 27, 2019 3:09pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Have said this before: National needs to be decisive about its purpose and vision.
  It must have something tangible to offer the electorate.
  At the moment, National just glides along agreeing with most things the CoL does because they don’t want to be judged as “alt right”.
  Might just as well merge with Labour as there is little difference at the moment.
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:29am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I assume a direction will come from the Hamilton conference, where is all of the msm reporting on it?
    
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    April 27, 2019 12:42pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You are right until the last sentence.
    
    If you truly believe that then you need to reacquaint yourself with what National stand for.
    
    https://www.national.org.nz/
    
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    April 27, 2019 12:48pm
    - Komata
      
      Tall Man @1245
      
      Sadly, I found NO actual policies!!
      
      Lots of ‘feel good’, inclusive-type sentiments, but, try as I might, no absolute, definable, ‘THIS IS WHAT WE STAND FOR AS THE NZ NATIONAL PARTY-type statement/s!
      
      Was that your point, or did I miss something?
      
      Thank you.
      
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      April 27, 2019 6:45pm
- artemisia
  
  National, ACT and a possible blue green party need a small number of clear, united and simple policy slogans. Quietly supported by detail and costings, with no fiscal holes.
  
  The Greens in 2017 had good slogans – motherhood and apple pie, but pretty much empty of substance underneath.
  
  My view of hot buttons that appeal to middle NZ – too much tax, too much pandering to Maori, Green wacky policies, beneficiaries (all also related to too much tax). Others?
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:47am
  - srylands
    
    My others would be reforming local government by passing legislation that constrains its role to well defined functions.
    
    I would also encourage National to take the time in opposition to develop an alternative to the RMA for urban planning and land management. It doesn’t sound exciting but it is important.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:17am
    - tf78
      
      I don’t think they need time in opposition as they had everything in order to carry on after the last election (which was foiled). They are always working behind the scenes as they actually care about NZ. They tried and tried to reform the RMA but the then opposition weren’t buying it as far as I can remember.
      
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      April 27, 2019 9:59am
      - srylands
        
        Yes but I think they should spell out what the RMA will be replaced with. With local government also. Wellington Council is a socialist shit heap.
        
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        April 27, 2019 10:31am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I heard Judith Collins speak in Whanganui late last year, and she commented that one of the specific roles allocated to her is a complete revamp of the RMA. She is already well down the road on that, and it will be rolled out nearer to the election.
      
      This year is no time for the Opposition to be detailing its 2020 policies; there will be plenty of time for that in the six months prior to the General Election.
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:41pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Where Labour is vulnerable is in Health, Education, Housing, Violent crime and Jobs.
    
    Nats need to keep hitting Labour with their failure to tackle problems.
    
    Talkfests achieve nothing.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:45am
    - srylands
      
      I think they could be vulnerable on roads too. The recent decision to effectively scrap the petone granada Road in Wellington was nuts. Also reducing the Otaki Levin expressway to a two lane road. There must be a dozen others.
      
      Once current projects finish there will be no further motorways in New Zealand.
      
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      April 27, 2019 9:54am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Quite so srylands. Heading north out of Wellington, there is already a bottleneck when the Kapiti Expressway ends at Peka Peka. Whilst it’s great to see progress on the extension of the Expressway to Otaki, all that will achieve is to move the bottleneck further north.
        
        National campaigned in 2017 on four-laneing SH1 all the way to Sanson. Part of that is the building of a replacement bridge across the Manawatu River and the floodplains at Whirokino. That project is already well underway, but if the roads either side are not improved as had been planned, the effectiveness of the replacement of the Whirokino Trestle is undermined.
        
        Of course none of that matters to Phil Twyford and Julie Anne Genter. They fly home to Auckland from Wellington each week, and don’t have to worry about being stuck in traffic. That “privilege” is reserved for us ordinary people.
        
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        April 27, 2019 12:48pm
      - srylands
        
        The idea of a two lane expressway is reminiscent of the decision to scrap the second terrace tunnel in 1978. It is so New Zealand. Let’s do it half arsed. That was the good thing about the last government. They finally started building some decent road infrastructure.
        
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        April 27, 2019 4:00pm
    - Ross12
      
      There is Shaw’s Zero Carbon Act to come yet. I think that will be on the scale of the CGT when and if voters really get to understand the consequences of it.
      Only problem is Bridge’s is half way on board with it.
      
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      April 27, 2019 10:07am
    - tf78
      
      Maggie do you really mean all the things they are meant to do as a government.
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:42am
    - Tall Man
      
      Where is labour not vulnerable?
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:51pm
- rockape
  
  Produce a series of good policies plus a clear vision for where they want NZ to be in 9 years. Keep Bridges till the end of this year then replace him with someone who will take a fight to Jacinda.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:05am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Rockape -National is in a similar position as the Labour Party – just as there is no obvious successor to Ms Ardern, who would logically (and effectively) succeed S. Bridges?
    Amy Adams? No, might be clever but no personality.
    Paula Bennett? No, might have personality but doesn’t come across as astute or clever.
    Mark Mitchell? No, lost credibility with his soft comments about the firearms issue and agrees with Labour too often to be trusted.
    Judith Collins? No, the msm would absolutely roast her with hate speech as a NZ version of Trump.
    Mr Bridges? if he could position himself as something other than Labour lite, he is only option at the moment.
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:34am
    - tf78
      
      We’re going to listen to Paula Bennett next week, so I will report back.
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:43am
      - rockape
        
        Are you off to the mainland conf, me too!
        
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        April 27, 2019 12:27pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Once he shows hit teeth there could be some fun.
      
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      April 27, 2019 4:08pm
  - MH
    
    like a bridge over troubled waters.
    
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    April 27, 2019 12:26pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Why would you let someone do all of the heavy lifting and then not reward that?
    
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    April 27, 2019 12:46pm
- madamezucchininz
  
  ….I would not be so sure that the “numbers” are correct…..after reading the article by the sycophant Andrew Dickens on “his wonderful leader”….the comments about the chosen one a numerous….more scathing than one would imagine…..the people are finally “getting it”…..the comments 500+ on face book made me feel more positive about the 2020 election…..https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/andrew-dickens-afternoons/opinion/andrew-dickens-anti-jacinda-crowd-sound-like-cry-baby-democrats
  
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  April 27, 2019 4:41pm
Captain Mainwaring

So a bad dude wanders into the Palmerston North Police station and steals eleven rifles from under their noses.
The term ‘Keystone Cops’ comes to mind.
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April 27, 2019 8:10am
- noskire
  
  I hope they find him and the weapons quick.
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:31am
- simpleton1
  
  “Fast & Furious”
  Fiction or becomes Truth?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
  Truth can be stranger than Fiction,
  The guns will be easily be in criminal/gang hands on that day.
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:42am
- secondcumming
  
  The *Palmy Police Station* hasn’t got a great record with handling firearms!
  
  Not that long ago, a firearms instructor discharged a loaded Bushmaster in his office, the bullet going through the adjoining wall and narrowly missing a colleague sitting next door. And last year, a citizen disgruntled about the treatment his missus was receiving in hospital, walked in the front door of the Station and fired a couple of shots towards the reception counter. He was duly arrested 😎
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:56am
- Liberty
  
  It is notable no reports on the front page of Stuff.
  If such a clusterfuck had happen under National the media would be all guns blazing.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:42am
- Notsofast
  
  Hahaha.
  Their body of work in the Lundy and Scott Guy cases shows the way.
  District commander Sue Schwalger is a clever girl alright.
  
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  April 27, 2019 10:36am
- waikatogirl
  
  Who left the gate open? Too much excitement going off to the Anzac parade with their bushmasters to pay attention to securely locking the gate?
  
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  April 27, 2019 2:48pm
Yvette

‘Unprecedented’ surge in online violent extremism after Christchurch terror attack –
“A month after his attack, those in the far-right still talk online about their desire to make the killer proud by committing acts of violence and share endearing artwork of him,” according to analysis by a US intelligence company.

I occasionally wonder if Tarrant – deprived as we were told of use of any media – is aware of the Sri Lanka atrocities, that Prince William and Jacinda Ardern’s ’emotional photo’ goes viral, of new gun law, or any other matter. Although New Zealand does not have the death penalty, is the world at the moment dead to Tarrant? – even before a trial.

And will he be allowed to gauge the success of his crimes through legitimate Court search or due diligence process which may indeed still allow him to emotionally profit from his crime, or even to continue his wrong-doing in gaining any satisfaction from anything he may learn.

Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik won part of a human rights case against the Norwegian state when the court upheld his claim that some of his treatment amounted to “inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment”

So, does Tarrant still have rights that must be observed, but may even impart knowledge that makes him happy? To what degree of human degradation would it be to wonder “How did I perform what I saw as the meaning of my life?” to be told “You will never know“.

And according to analysis above – “far-right” talk online about a desire to make the killer proud – would that falter if it were publicised that Tarrant, while alive, knows nothing now of a world that supposedly is dead to him – if that is the case?

Perhaps Jacinda Ardern could add that to l’ liste to discuss with Emmanuel Macron
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April 27, 2019 8:10am
- simpleton1
  
  Seems like a mixture of quotes drawn for New Zealand’s newshub that mixes things from world wide context.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/04/unprecedented-surge-in-online-violent-extremism-after-christchurch-terror-attack.html
  like the Daily Beast https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-zealand-shooting-white-supremacists-and-jihadists-feed-off-each-other?ref=scroll that is drawing things from the Sun-Herald, Sydney Morning Herald, Storm Front, Vanguard News, that all Newshub seems to be drawing conclusions about NZ white supremacists, making them to be a full on bogey man.
  Still interesting reading, as the Daily Beast also links with ISIS and other islamist protagonists.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:32am
Nukuleka

‘It must be appreciated that the diversities of culture, traditional and religious values in the world means that there is no one standard that fits all. This necessitates tolerance, respect, understanding and the giving of policy space.’

These worthy sentiments could have been written by any hip contemporary liberal and are sentiments that I doubt that any reader of The Standard- or even Jacinda herself- would disagree with.

They are, of course, part of the letter written to the EU by the Sultan of Brunei to defend his country’s system of Sharia law, with its punishment of hadd, stoning to death and amputation for offences such as sodomy, theft and adultery.

How long before we are reading such lofty sentiments from members of our own Muslim citizens as they also call for ‘tolerance, respect and understanding’ for the implementation of hadd? As the Sultan points out such punishments are admissible in the 21st century because they come directly from Allah via the Koran.
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April 27, 2019 8:15am
- Scott
  
  Does Christchurch belong to any religion? That was the subject of the post by DPF yesterday.
  A little research on Wikipedia shows that- “The Canterbury Pilgrims had aspirations of building a city around a cathedral and college, on the model of Christ Church in Oxford.The name “Christ Church” was decided prior to the ships’ arrival, at the Association’s first meeting, on 27 March 1848. The exact basis for the name is not known. It has been suggested that it is named for Christchurch, in Dorset, England; for Canterbury Cathedral; or in honour of Christ Church, Oxford. The last explanation is the one generally accepted.”
  Christchurch became a city in 1856, being the oldest established city in New Zealand. In 1864 the citizens of Christchurch began construction of the Christchurch Cathedral.
  
  It is simply insane or an act of denial to say that Christchurch was not established by Christians who were serious about their faith. After the establishment of the city it took them just eight years to start building the Cathedral, a massive task for the time, as it is a massive task even today.
  
  We need to understand that New Zealand was founded by Christians. The faith that we have and the freedoms that we have come from Christianity. The idea that we should treat all religions equally strikes me as insane. Christianity is the founding religion of this country. That’s just the facts. And our civilisation was built on Western Christian values.
  
  And this is where the rubber hits the road. To say that I don’t mind the Muslims having a two-minute prayer all across New Zealand proclaiming Allah is great and Mohammed is the final prophet of Allah, is to proclaim the sovereignty of Allah across New Zealand and to proclaim that New Zealand is a Muslim country.
  
  I think we have three choices here in New Zealand. The current lack of meaning that secular liberalism gives us has too many contradictions and too little life meaning to last indefinitely. Also secular liberals tend not to have many children, they tend to see marriage as a lifestyle option and children require sacrifice which is not a big forte for secular liberals.
  
  I think we could become either a socialist country, which in their hearts is what our current government wants.
  
  I think we could become a Muslim country, which warms the liberal progressive heart and makes them feel good about themselves. The cold reality of being a second-class citizen in an actual Muslim country I think they would find considerably less appealing.
  
  Or we could become serious about the faith that built this country and have a spiritual revival. Only option three would enable New Zealand to continue in any recognisable state. I think we have a great little country and I would like to see it go from strength to strength. But we need to recapture our soul and our heart.
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:58am
  - SGA
    
    @Scott
    
    Does Christchurch belong to any religion?
    
    No. It may be part of its heritage that English, Anglican settlers founded the city, but the modern city does not “belong” to the Anglican church (or the English in general, for that matter) any more than modern Dunedin “belongs” to Presbyterian Scots.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:36am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I still gave Scott an uptick. While bought up with strong christian values I am a non-believer but I still value NZ’s culture which has formed with Christianity as its backbone. It works for us.
      
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      April 27, 2019 2:57pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I agree 100%.
        
        My parents were “believers” but I chose a different path. We both respected the other’s views and opinions.
        
        The freedom to do that is something my father fought for.
        
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        April 27, 2019 4:35pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    It’s now the 21st Century. High time everyone got past all these “man in the sky will let us live forever” religions. Life is short, and precious. It’s all we have got. Make sure it’s enough.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:37am
    - Tall Man
      
      How about we tolerate other’s views.
      
      As long as they aren’t knocking on my door They can believe what they want.
      
      It’s when they want myself and others to allow them special consideration that I get a little cranky. For example, the requests for “muslim women only” time in council facilities.
      
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      April 27, 2019 4:38pm
    - Billy Collins
      
      Without the idea of man being made in the image of god, you have absolutely no foundation for individual human rights, or recognising humans as inherently valuable. This is why the non-religious were largely the ones to dismantle this idea. Nothing really matters unless you can relate it back to God.
      
      You would have to believe humans have value based on blind faith basically. Even saying that we decide we are of value, thinking that actually gives people value because we said so needs to be believed based on faith too. How is that better than religious belief?
      
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      April 27, 2019 6:10pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        Can you clarify how you got to assert that MY argument is based on blind faith.
        
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        April 27, 2019 7:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think we have three choices here in New Zealand.
    
    We have no choice…we are on track to being a vassal state of the PRC…..as is much of our world.
    
    I think you’ll be ok for practising your religion under their regime…as long as you don’t challenge the top dogs.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:53am
    - Jack5
      
      Maggy, I think you are overly pessimistic about China’s growth. For most of the last 2000 years China was the world’s biggest economy, and it is returning to that.
      
      It won’t control the world. While China was the biggest economy, the Asian equivalent of cowboys – Mongolians and their cousins the Manchu – took over and ran the country.
      
      I think you misjudge the liberalism of China, officially atheist, towards religions. Chinese persecution of Christians has been intensifying, churches say. China is also reporting to be holding up to a million Muslims in detention. Chinese religions such as Falun Gong are also persecuted.
      
      Persecution of Christians:
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/13/china-christians-religious-persecution-translation-bible
      
      China holding Muslims in camps:
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/world/asia/congress-uighurs-china-detention.html
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:08pm
      - SGA
        
        It won’t control the world. While China was the biggest economy, the Asian equivalent of cowboys – Mongolians and their cousins the Manchu – took over and ran the country.
        
        What did they do once they had control?
        
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        April 27, 2019 1:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Jack5
        I think you are overly pessimistic about China’s growth
        
        I’m not pessimistic… just impatient.
        
        The sooner the scourge of organised religion is wiped out, the better.
        
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        April 27, 2019 2:29pm
      - Tall Man
        
        sga… for much of history, China has been a closed book for other countries. However, as time moves on China will find that most of the current world problems will overtake them as they have everywhere else.
        
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        April 27, 2019 4:41pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Pray for revival. The choice is yours Sharia or Christ: a god who would have gays thrown off buildings or a God that requires us to love others as we love ourselves; a God that so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:16am
    - Overworked
      
      Actually our choice is Sharia, Christ, [insert other group delusion here] or being free of religion entirely.
      
      It should stay that way. Religions should be able to be practiced, but only to the extent that they don’t infringe on others’ freedoms.
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:56am
      - MickMac
        
        overworked
        it will all sort itself out on the last day!
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        April 27, 2019 7:47pm
    - MCos
      
      My wife is Buddhist and I occasionally go to one of the Auckland temples with her.
      There are hundreds of Thais there.
      Don’t you worry about the the Muslims and the Christians.
      Multiple that by all the other Buddhist temples around the city and I reckon they are going to take over the country.
      Look at all the Thai restaurants. Far more than there are kebab outlets.
      
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      April 27, 2019 1:05pm
      - softail 1450
        
        Mcos,and the foods better as well.
        
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        April 27, 2019 5:26pm
Happychappy

How many promises have to be broken before the public will realize that Prime Minister ihab led the voter down the track of dishonesty, one by one some are dying by the fake promise Jacinda gave them to win the last election.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112286014/kiwisaver-withdrawals-for-people-with-lifeshortening-conditions-delayed
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April 27, 2019 8:23am
Maggie Pie

We tuned in to Magik-Talk yesterday aftnoon to listen to the interview with the wonderful Katie Hopkins.

God that gurl talks some sense! Except for the ‘perpetually offended’ among us, she speaks for the vast majority of all right thinking New Zealanders. Even my partner was impressed and summed it up beautifuly when he said “…KTH certainly tore that Ryan Bridge a new one” 🙂
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April 27, 2019 8:23am
- Scott
  
  Maggie pie – quite right. Unfortunately our New Zealand media types, like Ryan Bridge, live in something of a bubble. They actually don’t know anyone who thinks differently to them.
  
  And so when they get an actual centre-right person like Katie Hopkins, who believes in Western Christian civilisation and wants to defend it, they have no idea what to think? They never get arguments like this from their own politicians.
  
  It’s a bit like Paddy Gower interviewing Stefan Molineux and Lauren Southern. Paddy Gower didn’t have any knowledge of centre-right ideas, all he knew was that he is opposed to them.
  
  We need more robust debate in New Zealand and more centre-right voices like Don Brash, so we can actually debate ideas and come up with better solutions than the tired leftist socialism that our current government and our media establishment is running with.
  
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  April 27, 2019 10:12am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OMG Scott you have put that sooo well.
    I couldnt believe my ears durung the interview when KTH told Ryan Bridge how much “she feared for her 2 daughters because of all the muslim grooming gangs in the UK that had been jailed for raping and abusing underage white girls”. Yet that dopey Bridge (a trained journalist?) said “he had never heard about it”! Has he been living under a rock for goodness sake? I actually found it quite disturbing that someone so ill-ingormed should be allowed on the airwaves with his own talkback show.
    
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    April 27, 2019 11:36am
    - chuk
      
      “ill-ingormed”….. a fantastic new word for someone who is both ill-informed and gormless. Thanks Maggie Pie.
      
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      April 27, 2019 5:01pm
softail 1450

Please prime Minister its been six fricking weeks since the outrageous attack in Christchurch,can you get that hang dog concerned desperate look off your dial and get back to your old job ,running our country FFS.
If I see that forlorn pathetic scripted look one more time Its off to the quack to see if he will give me a prescription of Xanax with a repeats note as long as The pathetic drawn faced PM is in charge…
Mods ,please note i went nowhere near the H—-f—- word.
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April 27, 2019 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  softail, Jacinda reminds me of those Mediterranean widows who dressed in black from the moment that their husbands died. Jacinda seems to love the colour black, but surely the mosque killings won’t last forever as news?
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:02am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Don’t be too sure, we thought Pike River would be out if the news in a month. Politicians love a good tragedy.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:43am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Left ones, that need distractions.
      
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      April 27, 2019 1:07pm
- noskire
  
  I earlier awarded 3-coil’s earlier comment as today’s winner of the Internet – yours is pretty damn close.
  If I keep commentating in today’s General Debate I will probably get a “visit” from the Police before lunchtime.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:05am
  - 3-coil
    
    I demand a recount.
    
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    April 27, 2019 1:55pm
- calendar girl
  
  If you had as little meaningful intellectual power as our Prime Minister, softail, you too would be channeling your energies into superficial acting and PR opportunities & methods that you were taught during a light-weight tertiary education at Waikato University.
  
  Ms Ardern’s appointment as Prime Minister by Machiavellian NZ First leader, Winston Peters, which was achieved without a genuinely-popular mandate, was always destined to be a contrivance to achieve Peters’ real objectives. It would channel disproportionate power and political control to Peters without any need on his part to meet voters’ expectations of governance responsibility.
  
  New Zealand and its Centre-Right Parliamentary Opposition have little option over the next 18 months but to wait for the ultimate demise of the country’s present uncoordinated Government. Hoping in the meantime for an outcome of minimal lasting damage.
  
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  April 27, 2019 5:13pm
- The King
  
  Oh don’t worry they will milk the Chch shooting for years to come, quite like other events in history.
  
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  April 27, 2019 5:36pm
Paulus

Is it now regular for two non Maori to Hongi each other – one a false Princess and the other a real Prince ?
See the left wing UK media lapping it up.
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April 27, 2019 8:46am
- Happychappy
  
  Paulus : Their is always a first and being the attention seeker Jacinda will try and gain as much notoriety as she can. What I can’t understand Maori are the first to complain when things are not portrayed in the way they were to be and to let what happened between the Prince and the wannabe Princess, two white people the first I have seen in my lifetime you would have thought Something would have been said. I would bet my bottom dollar that if it had been John Key there would have been outrage.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:44am
KevO'Brien

Socialists seek control–Green New Deal reviewed:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/46421/study-green-new-deal-would-have-no-effect-climate-emily-zanotti
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April 27, 2019 8:49am
si_rangi

In light of the PM going to France, she needs to ‘take’ the Chinese government with her. They are the masters at managing social media. Their platforms such as WeChat are heavily censored with the Government all over anything posted that doesn’t suit its narrative. The Chinese govt are the perfect role models in this regard. So that got me thinking, we are becoming a lot like China. They have a president for life doing whatever it takes to stay in power, a bit like ours, eg. The Captains call on CGT. They also push through major infrastructure projects with scant regard for the rights of individuals, here I think of the light rail to the airport. Then there is the ongoing ‘corruption’ where powerful members at all levels of government favour their own through favourable policies etc, here we have the provincial growth fund. I am sure there are other examples but those are all I could think of for now , as we drift to becoming the Pragmatic Idealistic Peoples Democratic Republic of New Zealand.
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April 27, 2019 8:52am
Tony Stuart

Stuart Nash is going to come under scrutiny as a result of the theft from guns from the Palmerston North Police Station. That’s because he gave a cast-iron guarantee that the Police would store any weapons handed in safely:

“I’m not 100 percent sure, but what I do know is they are stored in a way that is a lot safer than they were before they were handed in.”

https://twitter.com/JennaLynchNZ/status/1121619714122207242

Add to this his admission early this week that he won’t be delivering 1800 new cops, and it hasn’t been a good week for Nashie. His only consolation is that the PM is too preoccupied with external events to be worried about a Minister’s double failure.
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April 27, 2019 9:06am
- alien
  
  don’t think you can blame the minister for a screw up by the police. HE has every right to expect the guns are stored safely. But alas we have no idea what happened, or how the person even got them because the police aren’t talking about it.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:36am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The buck stops with the Minister. Did he not seek assurances from the Commissioner that Police could store firearms safely? At the very least, he should offer his resignation, even if the PM chooses not to accept it.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:54am
    - alien
      
      yes it does, but you cannot blame the minister for what has happened here. First we need to know how the police failed here, did they follow their own procedure, how did the guy get in. And no the minister should not offer his notice on this. And of course the police can store the weapons safely, they do every single day with the weapons in the stations around NZ.
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:55pm
  - kowtow
    
    Bullshit.
    
    The government rushed the new laws into place ( likely with senior police advice) made promises that the cops could cope, when clearly they can’t.
    
    The buck stops with the clowns calling the shots and as always not giving the men on the ground the resources they need to deal with the demands made by the politicians, (who are the ones trying to make themselves look good)
    
    I don’t blame Plod , I blame the Pollies.
    
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    April 27, 2019 9:59am
    - MH
      
      the cops should have removed weapon parts and kept them separate. Poor performance by lazy Police, not ministerial.
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:37pm
- kevn
  
  For every new cop that comes on board there is one senior and experienced cop leaving.
  The entry level/quality of new applicants threshold has dropped somewhat. Lots of them fold quickly and leave as well.
  Not ideal.
  
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  April 27, 2019 10:15am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Diversity’ is to top “management and govt types a value far more important than a resilient and efficient police force.
    
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    April 27, 2019 11:37am
lastmanstanding

The newly appointed Minister of Thought and Speech Andrew Little has announced he is working on his first List of Approved Words and Phrases and Non-Approved Words and Phrases.

He said the penalty for Non-Approved Words and Phrases would be imprisonment for up to seven years with no parole.

Little also said his first list would not be exhaustive and he would add to it as and when necessary. The penalty for Non-Approved Words and Phrases would be retrospective.
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April 27, 2019 9:09am
- alien
  
  got a link to this?
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:15am
  - Nukuleka
    
    alien: got a sense of humour?
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:34am
    - alien
      
      if you are going to post something like that on a politcal blog then perhaps you should state it is meant in jest
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:52pm
- David Garrett
  
  lastman: What do they say? Many a true word spoken in jest…Little is a very dangerous man…all the more so because he is a man of decidedly limited ability.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:50am
  - freethinker
    
    And just what abilities of any real use does Little Andrew have – answers on the back of postage stamp.
    
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    April 27, 2019 2:37pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Is there any truth to the rumour that Little and Ghahraman plan to classify the National Party as a right-wing nationalist organisation, and that all party members will be sent to a Labour Party-organised summer camp for re-education?
  
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  April 27, 2019 12:52pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Some of their camps are quite playful.
    
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    April 27, 2019 3:30pm
    - stuarts-burgers
      
      I do not need some young Wooden Head puitting his hand down my pants thank you
      
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      April 27, 2019 7:12pm
Southern Raider

How’s mental health under the CoL going?

Suicides are on the rise and 17 initiatives that National kicked off to improve mental health have been cancelled
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April 27, 2019 9:16am
- alien
  
  well we know that other servies are being cut back, so I guess we can assume the same with mental health. And if you are going ot cut back the meals and showers of disabled people, slow down the help that autstic children can get, then i think it is pretty obvious when you care so little about some of the most vulnerable in our community then mental health will be worse off
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:45am
softail 1450

Tony Stuart ,it is a disgrace that our Leader is flitting around the planet attending photo opportunities while our country sinks into the slime of mediocrity and even corruption, The plod cant even keep a dozen deadly weopons safely stored and our pathetic leader thinks herself and that wet blanket with a mama complex Macron are going to fix the internets problems ..
When is this shit going to end ?
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April 27, 2019 9:24am
- artemisia
  
  Softail, you really need to keep a lid on that hyperbole. It was 11 guns.
  
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  April 27, 2019 11:34am
Maggie Pie

When i saw that little creep John Campbell reading the news the other night i thort he looked like an animated undertaker! My partner was also trying to think who he reminded him of – then he remembered :

http://www.runstop.de/benny038.jpg
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April 27, 2019 9:32am
- softail 1450
  
  M P ,,,,ha,ha, LOL.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:46am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I have several friends in the funeral industry Maggie, and they are deeply offended by your likening of John Campbell to their profession!
  
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  April 27, 2019 12:54pm
noskire

Was at the Anzac Day dawn service at Cranmer Square. Already grumpy because they had closed all the surrounding roads, so had to park on Bealey Ave at 4.30am.
Walked past the barricade of buses and asked the cop with a bushmaster rifle why there wasn’t an actual magazine in his rifle. Blank stare in return.
They were giving away free hot chocololate or some such shit once I made it in, which appeared to have attracted all the homeless vagrants.
One of those charming individuals approached me in his sleeping bag/home and asked “What’s that red flag?”
“That’s the Turkish flag”.
“Why?”
I can’t report the rest in a public forum.
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April 27, 2019 9:33am
- alien
  
  oh no you were grumpy because the roads were closed, oh poor poor you. thankfully those who went off and gave their life for this country weren’t grumpy wummpies because the road was shut and they had to walk, or because of other things. Perhaps next itme you should remember why you are there and how much easier your life is because of that.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:47am
  - noskire
    
    Actually I was already grumpy because of the oxygen-thieving muppets like you that I encounter on a daily basis, who contribute absolutely nothing to New Zealand society, unlike the 29 000 Kiwi’s who gave their lives to protect the existence of you and your cardigan-embalmed thumb-twiddling snowflake fwends.
    
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    April 27, 2019 12:06pm
    - alien
      
      awww poor you. But don’t worry I’ve prolly contributed more to NZ than you ever will. Never been a snowflake, perhaps you need to go back to bed.
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:51pm
      - Tall Man
        
        How is the volunteering going?
        
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        April 27, 2019 5:02pm
Greg Ettridge

I thought what Tarrant did was repugnant, then I read a pregnant mother blows herself up and kids along with three policeman.
I asked myself, who is more vile in their actions.
It is the woman by a long shot, killing her own children. She wins hands down.
Can you even imagine what sort of sick fantasy this person was living in.
If she has done this as a religious belief, these idealologies have no place in any society.
Blowing up your kids cannot be justified by any sane person.
It truly is a very sick world for some and sadly they want to force it on others.
Tarrant is no doubt a deluded monster, but killing your own children really takes the cake.
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April 27, 2019 9:37am
- alien
  
  no compeittion, they both are just are bad as each other.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:49am
- David Garrett
  
  Greg E: Allow me to explain what I also saw as utterly inexplicable behaviour by a mother…until I started my Islamic studies.
  
  In short, the Koran only promises paradise to martyrs for Islam…even the most otherwise virtuous Muslim is not guaranteed a place. Therefore, for such a woman, she is actually doing the very best thing she can for her children … she is facilitating their martyrdom, and hence ensuring they go to paradise.
  
  An absolutely sick fuck thing to do for us; makes perfect sense to your observant Muslim mum.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:57am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Thankfully I imagine 99.99% of Muslims are not completely convinced that the Quran is the perfect, unalterable and final word of god. If you do really believe that, then this life is simply a brief test. Pass or fail. Infinite rewards or punishments. If the kids really are on day 3 of their first 400 trillion years in paradise – what was the harm? Imagine the incomprehensible catastrophe that might have happened if one had lived a happy life as an apostate and died in his sleep at 80.
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:42am
    - David Garrett
      
      septic: Sadly you are deluded…while I have no problem with the notion that some – perhaps even most – Muslims quietly ignore the more extreme strictures of their religion, there are enough of them who accept every single word as being true to be terrifying…there are of course fundy Christians who similarly believe that every single word of the Old Testament is the word of God…the difference of course is that said fundy Christians do not insist that you join them on pain of death…that’s a Muslim thing…
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:14am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        It is risky to take the Bible (in English) literally, as it is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation.
        The Koran, on the other hand, is more recent and still in its original text. Much less wiggle room for interpretation.
        
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        April 27, 2019 11:44am
  - simpleton1
    
    Sadly DG you are right.
    Why the West seems to prove its decadence in a shallow form of following the 72 houris in paradise.
    
    He believes that in laying down his life, it is so that he can intercede plea for up to 70 of his relatives.
    So what greater love is, than to sacrifice one’s love for Allah, and plus great gains for his family,
    
    This is what we must know to combat more effectively.
    
    Ubada bin Samit narrates, that the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alayhe wassallam) said, “The shaheed is granted seven gifts from Allah:
    
    1) He is forgiven at the first drop of his blood.
    2) He sees his status in Jannah.
    3) He is dressed in the clothes of Iman.
    4) He is safe from the punishment of the grave.
    5) He will be safe from the Great fear of the Day of Judgment.
    6) A crown of honor will be placed on his head.
    7) He will intercede on behalf of 70 members of his family. ”
    Musnad Ahmed, Tabrani, at-Targheeb wa at-Tarheeb, p.443, vol.2 https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Jihadists
    
    There seems to be more than the 70 eternal virgins that we joke about in the reward.
    
    We must know some of these other very important points about what a “shaheed” follows!
    
    —————————
    
    From the writings of another muslim, son of a head master of a school, born in 1968, who fought the Russians in Afghanistan.
    
    http://www.archive.org/stream/Virtuesofjihad/VirtuesOfJihad_djvu.txt pg 27
    
    Their intercession on behalf of anybody will be accepted.
    Whatever they request from Jannah will be given to them and whatever place they will choose in Jannah will be their abode.
    Bazzaz, Baihaqi.
    
    Hazrat Abu Darda (ra) narrates that I heard the Prophet (saw)
    
    saying that the Shaheed will intercede on behalf of 70 members of his family.
    
    Abu Dawood, At Targheeb Wat Tarheeb.
    Page 27
    
    So we must learn that though they say they love death, it is also love for redemption, not only for themselves, but for their family that is being sold.
    
    We must know our enemy, and realize that it is more than just a screw loose. For them they truly believe it is a life and death situation.
    We must know ourselves, our culture, philosophy, so we know what to value.
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:48am
    - MH
      
      what about the virgins from Inverness ?
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:44pm
      - simpleton1
        
        The scotch lasses can be a lot of fun, “after the ball is over” and in the morn, is aching.
        
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        April 27, 2019 2:20pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    David What you write is 100% correct.
    What I am trying to say is this type of devotion and behaviour cannot and never should be acceptable in our Democratic nations.
    People have the right to take their own lives, but they should never have the right to decide for anyone else, even their offspring.
    There in lies the problem for our so called modern multicultural societies. killing oneself is ok but taking as many contrary to your belief’s with you is not ok.
    The conversation has to be had.
    
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    April 27, 2019 11:35am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    So, all we have to do is to get the Muslims to re-interpret the Koran in a way that matyrs don’t automatically go to Paradise and we could solve a lot of problems.
    
    Simples…
    
    I mean, if the Methodist church can allow gay ministers, well anything must be possible…
    
    …Maybe I’m missing something…
    
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    April 27, 2019 5:31pm
    - simpleton1
      
      Reformation stripped the power from the Churches, and in a sense changed it enough that after the blood letting, by both sides, allowed the people the freedom to decide who ruled, by which church authority in their lives, and more granting of grace, directly from the seller, Jesus, instead of churches.
      Which was a getting back to the Jesus principles, where one was supposed to think a lot more before throwing the first stone at that adulterous woman, only if you had no sin as Jesus said. I guess the stoning of gays was included in that. Just that Jesus did not have a parable fixed in place for them. 🙂
      
      The koran can only go back to the Mohammadan principles that only Mohammad is the guide to Allah, when it reforms or as it periodical does through out history.
      Sadly Mohammad was for all the beneficent ways, first had to had to be “victorious by terror”.
      It would all work out for muslims if pigs and gays can fly. 🙂
      There is no one they can trust to be assured that they can attain paradise with having to be a martyr in killing unbelievers, which is the ultimate in “pass go collect $200” Anything else has to wait in purgatory/hell for judgement day, and the tally up of good and the bad deeds to be weighed up.
      The good & bad are a bit different to our eyes as al walaa al baraa is an important doctrine that is pervasive through out the koran hadith and sunnah.
      
      There is a theory that the martyr does not want to be contaminated with any pork, so it would be interesting to know if those hotel dining rooms were dishing up mixture of pork products. I would go very heavy on that, just for a laugh. 🙂 though I doubt that really works.
      
      I do enjoy your succinct direct points Odakyu-sen.
      
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      April 27, 2019 6:54pm
  - MickMac
    
    on to it David.
    
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    April 27, 2019 7:58pm
- kevn
  
  @Greg… Yes. There is certainly a screw loose with these type of folk. So easily brain washed.
  
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  April 27, 2019 10:10am
Fletch

Matt Taibbi from Rolling Stone (yes, Rolling Stone!) makes the case that people are losing trust in the media after their pushing the fake Russia collusion story, and that the media still don’t get it.

You know what was fake news? Most of the Russiagate story. There was no Trump-Russia conspiracy, that thing we just spent three years chasing. The Mueller Report is crystal clear on this.

He didn’t just “fail to establish” evidence of crime. His report is full of incredibly damning passages, like one about Russian officialdom’s efforts to reach the Trump campaign after the election: “They appeared not to have preexisting contacts and struggled to connect with senior officials around the President-Elect.”

Not only was there no “collusion,” the two camps didn’t even have each others’ phone numbers!

In March of 2017, in one of the first of what would become a mountain of mafia-hierarchy-style “Trump-Russia contacts” graphics in major newspapers, the Washington Post described an email Trump lawyer Michael Cohen sent to Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov. They called it “the most direct interaction yet of a top Trump aide and a senior member of Putin’s government.”

The report shows the whole episode was a joke. In order to further the Trump Tower project-that-never-was, Cohen literally cold-emailed the Kremlin. More than that, he entered the email incorrectly, so the letter initially didn’t even arrive. When he finally fixed the mistake, Peskov didn’t answer back.

That was “the most direct interaction yet of a top Trump aide and a senior member of Putin’s government”!

As outlined in his initial mandate, Mueller explored “any links” between the Russian government and the campaign of Donald Trump. His conclusion spoke directly to the question of whether there was any kind of quid pro quo between the two sides:

“The investigation examined whether these contacts involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future.”

In other words, all those fancy org charts were meaningless. Because there was no conspiracy, all those “walls are closing in” reports — and there were a ton of them — were wrong. We were told we’d hit “turning point” after “turning point” leading to the “the beginning of the end,” with Trump certain, soon, to either resign in shame, Nixon-style, or be impeached.

The “RNC platform” change story was a canard, according to Mueller. The exchanges Trump figures had with ambassador Sergei Kislyak were “brief, public, and non-substantive.” The conversations Jeff Sessions had with Kislyak at the convention didn’t “include any more than a passing mention of the presidential campaign.” Mueller added “investigators did not establish that [Carter] Page conspired with the Russian government.”

There was no blackmail, no secret bribe from Rosneft, no five-year cultivation plan, no evidence of any kind of any relationship that ever existed between the Trump campaign and Russian officials. Michael Cohen “never traveled to Prague.”

The whole Steele dossier appears to have been bunk, with even Bob Woodward now saying the “highly questionable” document “needs to be investigated.” The Times similarly is reporting, two-plus years late, that “people familiar” with Steele’s work began to have “misgivings about [the report’s] reliability arose not long after the document became public.”

[…]

The Mueller report makes clear reporters were sold wolf whistles over and over, led by reams of unnamed official sources who urged them to see meaning in meaningless things and assume connections that weren’t there.

Reporters should be furious about being fed these red herrings. They should be outraged at all those people who urged them to publish the Steele report, which might have led to career-imperiling mistakes in print. They should be mad as hell at CIA chief Gina Haspel and the other unnamed officials who told them disclosing the name of already long-ago exposed government informant Stefan Halper would “risk lives.”

More than anything, reporters should be furious at the many sources close to the various investigations who (it now seems clear) must have known pretty early there were serious holes in many areas of this story, and that a lot of these “dots” were dead ends, but didn’t warn their press counterparts. For instance, the papers should be mad those who supposedly had misgivings about the Steele report didn’t warn them earlier.

But they’re not mad, which makes it look like a case of intentional blindness, in which eyes and ears were shut among other things because the Trump-Russia conspiracy tale made a ton of money. Media companies earned boffo ratings while the Mueller probe still carried the drama of a potential spectacular ending, with blue-state audiences eating up all those “walls are closing in” hot takes.

[…]

News audiences were betrayed, and sooner or later, even the most virulently Trump-despising demographics will realize it and tune us out. The only way to reverse the damage is to own how big of a screw-up this was, but after the last three years, who would hold their breath waiting for that?

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russiagate-fiasco-taibbi-news-media-826246/
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April 27, 2019 9:38am
- harvey wilson
  
  He’s the only reason anyone would read Rolling Stone. There was a time it was actually worth reading, that was a looooooong time ago now.
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:49am
Jack5

I’ve no sympathy for Philip Arps, the Christchurch far-right activist being held on charges relating to the mosques massacre.

District Court Judge Stephen O’Driscoll has ruled out home detention for Arps, who has pleaded guilty to two charges of distributing the mosque murders video. Arps has a record that includes leaving a pig’s head at the mosque in 2016, and is well known in Christchurch for his extreme views.

Judge O’Driscoll in 2018 remanded in custody, as he did Arps, a Muslim teenager who had been radicalised on line, and who planned a massacre in Christchurch by car and knives.

The young man admitted charges of wilful damage, shoplifting, threatening to kill or cause grievous bodily harm, and possession of an offensive weapon.

Judge O’Driscoll sentenced him to two years of intensive supervision. Someone may be able to tell us whether this was the case where supervision led to golf lessons for the offender.
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April 27, 2019 9:42am
- Southern Raider
  
  Same guy who advertises insulation at $14.88 m2 and his company logo on his vans is a black sun
  
  A full on Nazi
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:59am
  - The King
    
    Show me one Nazi i can show you 100 Diversity Supremacists.
    
    It’s not against the law to sell insulation at a certain price, neither a logo.
    
    This man was working and had employees, you wanna know how many people that attend mosques have a job? because i can tell you.
    
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    April 27, 2019 5:50pm
    - MickMac
      
      king
      please do….
      
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      April 27, 2019 8:00pm
- Liberty
  
  Distributing videos of the christchurch shootings is appalling. But why is this case being railroaded through the courts. While after 12 months the labour scandal trial is being shelved/hidden?
  
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  April 27, 2019 10:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Arps pleaded guilty. The alleged Labour summer camp kiddie fiddler has pleaded not guilty. Big, big difference these days, with the courts bogged down with not guilty hearings.
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:20am
    - freethinker
      
      Where did you find out about the not guilty plea, I am still waiting for a reply from the taxpayer paid officials at the North Shore District Court???????????????/
      
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      April 27, 2019 2:49pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        It’s a matter of public record.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/105222563/labour-party-summer-camp-accused-appears
        
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        April 27, 2019 4:04pm
- David Garrett
  
  Jack5: I agree…when I first heard of Arps being held in custody I thought it a hysterical over reaction..but when you learn of his history – and further details of the “sharing”, including him asking his mate to add a “kill count” to the video – the decision becomes much more understandable.
  
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  April 27, 2019 10:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I suspect he now has raised his profile amongst his warped mates and will soon be heading for some high honour.
    
    Arps exhibits a lack of concern for the welfare of fellow humans just like deluded moslem suicide bombers.
    
    When questioned by police about the massacre – in which 50 people were murdered and 39 more shot and wounded – he replied: “I could not give a f…, mate.”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112281653/philip-arps-guilty-of-sharing-livestream-of-christchurch-mosque-massacre
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:39am
    - David Garrett
      
      maggy: Well, methinks he will be waiting a while for the celebration with his warped mates…I can see the judge imposing something near the maximum for the offence…and I don’t have a problem with that…as much because of his glorification of the Nazis as anything else.
      
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      April 27, 2019 10:41am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        If the judge is refusing to consider home detention, then he’s likely to be sentenced to more than two years imprisonment, and hopefully somewhat more.
        
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        April 27, 2019 4:05pm
    - The King
      
      Is lack of ‘concern’ a crime?
      
      nope.
      
      Are you offended?
      
      Well that’s your choice.
      
      Move along.
      
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      April 27, 2019 5:53pm
  - Liberty
    
    The problem I have with this case is it looks like the Arps is to be punished for his deluded political thoughts under a pretence of distributing videos?
    Is is still legal to view or distribute Dear Leaders comrade speech?
    After all Comrade lenin and Stalin would have done the same type of rants and
    That didn’t work out well for millions of peasants.
    The Problem we have is after 9 years of stable government.
    We forget about the poor chap who was imprisoned for sedition and the dawn raids.
    Against the first nation people. All under a caring labour administration.
    We are fortunate New Zealand doesn’t have salt mines.
    
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    April 27, 2019 11:32am
- The King
  
  “extreme views” oh really? care to tell us what these “extreme views” are? or are you just going to roll along with the cool ‘woke’ buzz words.
  
  Fyi the “radicalized online” is total horseshit.
  
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  April 27, 2019 5:46pm
BrownSnake

Fascinating

Another Preventative Terror Raid – Another Day in Melbourne

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Serious Preventative raids in Melbourne are now
running upwards of 20

Friday

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-26/counter-terrorism-operation-in-north-melbourne/11049274
Counter-terrorism officers have arrested a man and a woman during an operation near an Anglican church in North Melbourne on Friday afternoon.

It also appears one of the Sri Lankan bombers got their training in……..

You Guessed it ….. Melbourne

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Prakash

The Sri Lankan suicide bomber who studied at Melbourne University was reportedly known to Australian authorities for links to ISIS operative Neil Prakash.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sri-lanka-attacks-australian-police-investigated-bomber-five-years-ago-sqn8ljmqz

Sri Lanka attacks: Australian police investigated bomber five years ago

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And no doubt did nothing
busy doing preventative raids
and preparing to be sued by
…. Police Officers

Those Articles are misleading there are 5 levels
of police in Melbourne

1.Transport Police Unarmed

2.PSO Armed

3. Normal Police Armed
Victoria police who are normally
referred to as police

4. ASIO

5. Secret police

The Victorian Police took
ASIO to court once

For failing to give them the required
information to keep their staff safe?

Look They were probably busy

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/ashton-unaware-if-vic-cops-will-sue-asio

Victoria's top cop says he doesn't know if two of his officers are planning to sue ASIO over a reported lack of intelligence sharing relating to Numan Haider.

Victims of Sri Lanka may have grounds to suethe Australian Government and security agencies
for lack of action or failing to act?

Either way I bet they had a thick dossier on that prick and did they

Pass it on to the Sri Lankan Authorities
when he left

The Truth is
ANYWAY
ASIO and Vic police are
Bloody Good

One or 2 of the hundreds they monitor are bound to slip through the cracks

Once they leave Aus and go to

Sri lanka or NZ

Not their Problem
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April 27, 2019 9:43am
- The King
  
  Well that’s it isn’t it, Intelligence services have to win every time, a terrorist only needs to win once.
  
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  April 27, 2019 5:57pm
Lee C

I’m frustrated by National.

They appear to lack direction. They appear to have no communications strategy than (chuckle) ‘keeping their powder dry’.

Really?

I haven’t got a clue what they want for the country.

T or else we can read that as ‘They appear to be relying on tribal loyalty which clearly failed them last election’.

I speak as a tactical voter.

If there is no clear signal from National soon about WTF they are proposing to do to win Hearts and Minds, I’ll just stay home on voting day and let the hippies ‘win’ as they queue up and vote to ‘legalise’ weed.

That comment offered up for what it is worth.
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April 27, 2019 9:47am
- alien
  
  im a national voter, and I’ll be voting to legalise cannabis.
  
  i agree some more direction is needed, but we already know that they plan to peg income tax to the inflation rate. a few policies labour have brought in they will can. But hey, the election is over a year away, no need to spill your policy now so the govt can steal them
  
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  April 27, 2019 9:51am
  - Southern Raider
    
    I disagree (not on the cannabis part)
    
    National seem to think they can start electioneering 6 months out and somehow gain a big groundswell. By then they will be irrelevant
    
    BTW I think just like CGT we will see Cindy pull Cannabis referendum at the last minute and leave Greens high and dry
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:02am
    - David Garrett
      
      Southern: I think you are wrong on the cannabis referendum…unlike the CGT, most people are either in favour of decriminalization, or – like me – see it as pretty much inevitable, with the positive side effect of freeing up police time for tackling real crime.
      
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      April 27, 2019 10:34am
      - Notsofast
        
        Not to mention killing the P epidemic stone dead.
        And the earning power of the gangs.
        
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        April 27, 2019 10:46am
      - alien
        
        freeing up police time, court time, some jail time I would think too. Also then becomes a nice source of tax for the government.
        
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        April 27, 2019 11:39am
      - Southern Raider
        
        David I said in my post I agreed with Alien around Cannabis, but not that National should not do any policy releases until just before the election
        
        In relation to Cannabis completely agree and it needs to be treated as a health not criminal issue. Having the Far North stoned would be a hell of a lot better than the major P epidemic they have at the moment
        
        Just saw a documentary on Netflix and discovered all of the Jazz artists I like like Lou Armstrong, Duke Ellington etc where big pot heads
        
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        April 27, 2019 12:11pm
      - Southern Raider
        
        National (or at least Act) needs come out and support decriminalisation and state all tax earned will go into education, health etc related to cannabis use
        
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        April 27, 2019 12:13pm
    - alien
      
      national are already putting out small bits of policy, they aren’t waiting for 6 months before the election. And no, teh cannabis rederendum wont be pulled.
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:42am
  - kevn
    
    @alien…. I wonder what plan the cops have in testing the drivers for cannabis drug when they get pulled over? Should be in use right now.
    Aussie seems to have that testing sorted.
    How hard can it be?
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:22am
    - alien
      
      last i read Julie-Anne Genter was delaying saliva tests, but so had national.
      
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      April 27, 2019 11:47am
    - Micky
      
      There is no evidence that marijuana affects driving to anywhere near the extent that alcohol does. You are far safer driving stoned than you are pissed.
      
      http://time.com/3930541/marijuana-impact-driving/
      
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      April 27, 2019 7:26pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  “They appear to lack direction. ”
  Simple direction
  Lower taxes
  Lower Govt. spending via efficiency.
  Economic growth (NOT some half ass “wellness” nonsense)
  Lower unemployment via more jobs and growth…NOT encouraging the unemployed to STAY unemployed eventually becoming unemployable.
  Listening to what they are saying, instead of swallowing the meager amount the MSM give you, that they then interpret it for you trying to tell YOU what to think.
  
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  April 27, 2019 10:39am
- Liberty
  
  “I speak as a tactical voter.”
  
  An possibly one of the deluded voters
  who voted for Winston.
  Democracy has its failings.
  
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  April 27, 2019 12:44pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Lee – I’m a party member, and am reasonably actively involved. I can understand your frustration, but hang in there.
  
  Over the next few weeks there will be a number of regional conferences, and at each of these, there will be policy ideas debated on the conference floor. I would love to be going to the Lower NI conference in Lower Hutt in May, but I have two other commitments that weekend.
  
  Unlike Labour, who in nine years in opposition was totally unprepared to transition to government, National is working hard behind the scenes. A taxation policy has already been rolled out earlier this year, and between now and early 2020, there will be another seven major policy announcements. For example, Judith Collins is working on a complete revamp of the RMA, not just tampering around the edges as previous governments have done.
  
  Have patience Lee 😀
  
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  April 27, 2019 1:11pm
  - Liberty
    
    The word around the traps is the vile RMA will be history. Under a born again National.
    
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    April 27, 2019 1:47pm
    - sooty
      
      Labour has started the electionering by hiring 200 working parties to prepare the way.
      All on the taxpayers dime and not Labours!
      
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      April 27, 2019 9:27pm
- Komata
  
  Lee C
  
  See my earlier comment in response to Tall Man.
  
  Like you, I have absolutely NO idea what the Nats stand for!
  
  Were that it wasn’t so.
  
  Thank you.
  
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  April 27, 2019 7:26pm
Fletch

In other news, the U.S economy has grown by 3.2% in the first quarter. Let’s see Jacinda beat that….
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April 27, 2019 9:56am
- Tall Man
  
  Was it……..
  
  on the telly?
  
  Did it have sub titles in maori?
  
  Did it have a full explanation about what GDP was/is?
  
  I think you will see she doesn’t know and doesn’t care.
  
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  April 27, 2019 5:22pm
Yvette

“The March 15 terrorist attacks saw social media used in an unprecedented way – live-streamed video of the attack enabling its viral propagation elsewhere online – as a tool to promote an act of terrorism and hate. We are asking for a show of leadership to ensure social media cannot be used again the way it was in the March 15 terrorist attack”
Facebook also said it removed 1.5 million videos of the Christchurch mosque shootings in the first 24 hours after the attack. Of those, 1.2 million were blocked at upload.

This, of course, is predicated on other security systems failing to detect an event to even be uploaded.
But to be more effective, software Version 2 needs to better detect terrorist footage, be more extensive and faster still – so bigger and better than whatever it was that already blocked 1.2 million copies at upload.

Commission software companies, pay more money, done.
So, in strutting the stage in Europe, what are Ardern and Macron really going to talk about?
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April 27, 2019 10:20am
Maggie Pie

Thort I’d whip up an Orange cake for lunch (my partnwers fave) so jumped on the net to see what i could find. First one i came across was Annabell Langbeins ‘orange lightening cake’. Sounded quick and easy all done in a food processor. Chucked in the whole orange with the rest of the wet ingredients and gave it a whizz. Then the recipe said ‘add 2 cups of flour’ – BUT -it didnt specify whether it was plane or SR. Went with the SR anyway, it comes out at 11:30 so heres hoping. The thing is though – theres nothing worse than some half-arse recipe from some half-arse cook. Just saying…..
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April 27, 2019 10:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You don’t seem to have done much baking Maggie Pie, or have any knowledge of kitchen chemistry or recipe protocols…
  
  so here’s a few tips…
  
  The recipe specifies 1tsp of baking soda.
  
  That’s your raising agent… (reacts with the acid in the orange to release CO2 gas)
  so you don’t need to use self-raising flour (which contains raising agents).
  
  If self-raising flour was required in the recipe then it would be specified (as sr flour).
  
  Anyway, it shouldn’t have made too much difference to the taste of your cake if you used both baking soda and sr flour…..though the top of the cake may have broken open if the cake mix rose too quickly in the oven.
  
  In my experience, I’ve found Annabel Langbein recipes to be fool-proof and sensible.
  
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  April 27, 2019 11:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OMG Maggy, there are times i wish i had a mum like you to turn to! The cake is out and cooling as we speek. It tastes fab – even rose way up over the side of tin. And you were quite correct – i have ended up with a large crack, but intend filling it with a nice runny icing.
    
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    April 27, 2019 11:50am
    - MH
      
      the morale you can’t have your cake and bleat about it also.
      
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      April 27, 2019 12:55pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Large crack…..runny icing…..
      
      There’s a thought for a younger man.
      
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      April 27, 2019 5:24pm
  - Fletch
    
    My mom can’t handle the baking soda in biscuits etc, and they use it in EVERYTHING now. No good for the stomach…
    
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    April 27, 2019 7:03pm
Hugh Pavletich

The Kiwi dream: city-weary New Zealanders flock to the regions | Eleanor Ainge Roy| Cities | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/apr/24/the-kiwi-dream-city-weary-new-zealanders-flock-to-the-regions

Following years of population and industry decline, places such as Oamaru, pictured, are beginning to grow again.

Michelle Marshall and her husband, Zane, returned to New Zealand after living in London, ready to settle down, buy a house, have a child and live “the Kiwi dream”.

But the young couple quickly realised the Kiwi dream was becoming elusive in Auckland, the country’s largest city. No matter how hard they worked and saved there, their goal of buying a home and starting a family was slipping away.

“We thought it was never going to be possible to buy a home in Auckland,” says Michelle. “We just got so fed up.

“It becomes the topic of every conversation at the BBQ, and between the two of us we became sick of talking about it – we just wanted to do it. So we thought: ‘If you want something to happen, you have to make it happen for yourself.’” … read more via hyperlink above …
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Access recent Stuff articles
by
Joanne Carroll, Jo McCarroll & Catherine Harris
via 2019 Section – Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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April 27, 2019 10:59am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … AUSTRALIA …
  
  Australian house prices plunge by $40,000 from 2017 peak, research shows … Nine Finance
  
  https://finance.nine.com.au/2019/04/26/11/01/property-prices-value-drop-from-peak-corelogic-research-australia-news-finance
  
  Property values across Australia have plunged by more than seven per cent since the 2017 peak as the housing slump deepens.
  
  New CoreLogic research shows dwellings lost $40,590 in value – a 7.4 per cent drop – since October 2017.
  
  But the declines across the combined capital cities are even more stark, with values plummeting 9.2 per cent – or $59,478 – since September 2017. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  .
  … The long road back to ‘affordability’ … where detached housing is 3 times annual household incomes …
  
  2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
  Definition Of An Affordable Housing Market – Performance Urban Planning
  
  http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html
  
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  April 27, 2019 11:20am
Happychappy

Can someone please advise where the money that the Police will use to cover this will come from.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12225490
So they can’t pay to give Cancer patients a better life people that have played taxes for many of years but can have armed Police guarding Muslims Mosques for a month for Ramadan.
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April 27, 2019 11:00am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is there a formal name for this kind of deluded argument?
  “How come my taxes are spent on [insert item I personally disagree with] when we can’t afford [insert item I personally approve of].”
  
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  April 27, 2019 12:13pm
  - burt
    
    Yes, there is a name for it. It’s called the Labour Party manifesto and there are lots of people who are myopic enough to support it without noticing they are following the same path they denigrate others for following.
    
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    April 27, 2019 12:28pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I never actually realised that caped crusaders had to pay tax till now. 🙂
    
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    April 27, 2019 12:57pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    I think it’s a straightforward non-sequitur. The conclusion doesn’t follow from the premise.
    
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    April 27, 2019 1:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    What would you prefer to see?
    
    Armed police at mosques or an increase in cancer drug availability?
    
    I think that was his point but hey mikey, never let a chance to be a prick go by eh?
    
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    April 27, 2019 5:26pm
- alien
  
  I’d guess it wont cost anywhere near what the shooter has cost us and will continue to cost us
  
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  April 27, 2019 12:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Mind your Metaphors
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/apr/26/scientific-journal-snubs-academic-over-sleeping-beauty-metaphor
(sorry, first posted on Yesterday’s GD)
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April 27, 2019 11:14am
- MH
  
  As a former Rip Van Winkleite I object..snnnn ore
  
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  April 27, 2019 1:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

‘allo, ‘allo, ‘allo…
MM Macron has had a revelation…
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190426-political-islam-seeks-secession-from-france-macron/
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April 27, 2019 11:55am
- burt
  
  Having a cartoonist killed for drawing a picture didn’t rattle him at all, but possibly losing his own job has. Such a principled man, hard to imagine such principle from anyone other than a socialist.
  
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  April 27, 2019 12:26pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Given that the Charlie Hebdo murders were in 2015 and Macron wasn’t elected until 2017, it may be a bit much to expect him to have done something about it.
    
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    April 27, 2019 1:01pm
    - The King
      
      Ah Democracy, that sweet sense of knowing you will never be held accountable for your policies that get people dead.
      
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      April 27, 2019 6:00pm
  - Tall Man
    
    http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/nations/france/2019/01/07/france-macron-pays-homage-to-charlie-hebdo-victims_94692a28-5ec4-4d02-9835-29391f84871e.html
    
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    April 27, 2019 5:32pm
Johnboy

I shall try to post this. Not sure if it will work.

Last month, according to at least one count, there were 154 terrorist attacks around the world. Here’s a rundown of some of the major ones. The Taliban took 23 lives in Helmond Province, Afghanistan; at least 15 in Qaysar District, Afghanistan; ten in Kunduz Province, Afghanistan; 20 in Bala Murghab, Afghanistan; 22 in a second attack in Qaysar; and 65 in Sangin District, Afghanistan. ISIS murdered eight people in Idlib, Syria; five in the Anbar desert in Iraq; 16 in Jalalabad; seven in Makhmur, Iraq; 17 in two separate attacks in Kabul; and five in the Syrian desert. In Mali, Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb killed 32 people in two separate attacks. In Syria, Ansar al-Tawhid killed 27. In Mozambique, Ansar al-Sunna killed 13 people in a terrorist attack. In three terrorist attacks in Mali, Al-Shabaab took a total of 38 lives. A Turkish jihadist, Gökmen Tanis, shot four people to death on a Utrecht tram. And a man named Brenton Tarrant killed 50 people in two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.
Which of these things is not like the others?
Only one of these attacks was not motivated by a devotion to Islam. Only one was committed by a single individual acting on his own and not as a member of a terrorist group. And only one made worldwide headlines and caused an entire country to lose its mind and take a scimitar to its own freedoms.
Surely one reason why New Zealanders went insane over the mosque attacks, which took place on March 15, is that their country is so geographically isolated that it can seem immune to the troubles that beset the rest of the world. Another reason is that New Zealanders tend to think of themselves as supremely virtuous, liberal, and multicultural. (In recent years, its perceived level of corruption, according to Transparency International, has usually been the lowest on earth; in 2005, it became the first country in history to have every major political post filled by a woman.) Also, while jihadist terrorism in the Western world has generally been on the rise since 9/11, we have, for more than a year now, been spared jihadist incidents on the scale of, say, the Nice attack in 2016 (86 dead), the Manchester Arena massacre in May 2017 (22 dead), and the August 2017 massacre on Las Ramblas in Barcelona (15 dead). Memories are short. The cries of Je suis Charlie fall silent after a single news cycle.
So perhaps it makes a kind of bizarre sense that in New Zealand, which never had a 9/11, an Atocha, or a Beslan, Muslims – not just those killed or wounded in the Christchurch attack, but all Muslims, everywhere – were instantly cast in the role of victims. Perhaps it makes a kind of bizarre sense that countless New Zealand women, including the prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, felt moved to don headscarves out of solidarity – as if the events in Christchurch had somehow magically transformed hijab from a symbol of Islam’s brutal subordination of women into something benign.
But there was more. Three days after the massacre, it was declared illegal for private citizens in New Zealand to own a copy of the perpetrator’s manifesto, which he’d posted online before setting out on his killing spree. David Shanks, who holds the title of Chief Censor at the Office of Film & Literature Classification, ordered New Zealanders who had printouts of the manifesto to destroy them on penalty of up to ten years in prison and a hefty fine. Five days after the massacre, moreover, Ardern announced a change in the country’s gun laws: “every semi-automatic weapon used in the terrorist attack” was now officially banned.
What’s more, because the Canadian psychologist and professor Jordan Peterson had been photographed with a man in a t-shirt reading “I’m a proud Islamaphobe [sic],” Whitcoulls, a New Zealand bookstore chain, removedhis current bestseller 12 Rules for Life from its shelves. The New Zealand Herald reported that the man’s t-shirt also included “other derogatory comments about Muslims”; in fact, the remainder of the text on the t-shirt consisted of a list of phenomena associated with Islam, such as pedophilia, rape, wife-beating slavery, sharia courts, terror attacks, taqiyya, anti-semitism, and female genital mutilation. These aren’t “derogatory comments,” needless to say; they’re actual aspects of Islam. But after Christchurch, it was considered exceedingly inappropriate to say so.
There was something else that was viewed as distasteful to bring up after the massacre. Back in 2014, two major New Zealand news websites had reported that Christopher Havard – an Australian who had converted to Islam, changed his name to Saleem Khattab, kidnapped Westerners in Yemen in 2012, and been killed in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen in November 2013 – had, according to his parents, been “introduced to radical Islam at the Al-Noor mosque in Christchurch.” Al-Noor was one of the two mosques attacked on March 15; the other was the Linwood Islamic Centre. As far as I’ve been able to determine, no mainstream media organ in New Zealand, or anywhere else on the planet for that matter, has breathed a word about Havard since the Christchurch murders – not even the sites that originally cited his ties to Al-Noor. On the contrary, while one of the two websites that mentioned Havard has kept its 2014 article up online, the other – stuff.co.nz, the country’s single largest news site – appears to have taken it down after the massacre (although it’s still accessible on the Internet Archive).
Then there’s this: On March 23, Prime Minister Ardern spoke at a memorial vigil at New Zealand’s biggest mosque, the Masjid e Umar, which is located in an Auckland suburb. Her appearance was written about widely, as were the glowing things that the mosque’s chairman, Ahmed Bahmji, had to say about her. “His voice broke,” noted Radio New Zealand, “as he remembered how she had covered her head whenever she had visited a holy space.” Praising her “humility and morality,” Bahmji told her: “We are forever grateful the day that our hearts were broken, you looked straight at us…and spoke to us in a way that restored our hearts, restored our faith and restored our community.” Ardern, who wore a hijab for the occasion, pronounced herself “humbled.”
It was, it turned out, a busy day for the mosque boss: for on that same day Bahmji attended a rally in Auckland, where he told a massive crowd that the massacre in Christchurch had been the work of Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency, as well as of various “Zionist business houses.” Unlike Bahmji’s fulsome words at the mosque, the anti-Semitic remarks he made at the rally received little if any international notice, and New Zealand’s national media appear to have tried at first to keep mum about them, feeling obliged to cover them only days later, after the Israeli Embassy filed a complaint.
Finally, this past Friday came the official National Remembrance Service. The order of service included speeches by the Prime Minister, the Governor-General, and leaders of New Zealand’s Muslim community, plus one – count him, one – international star: none other than Yusuf Islam, formerly Cat Stevens, who performed his song “Peace Train.” Under the circumstances, of course, it would have been churlish to recall that, once upon a time, Stevens, or Islam, or (to call him by his birth name) Steven Demetre Georgiou, had been an outspoken supporter of the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, that he’d been ordered to leave Israel after having allegedly donated a large sum to Hamas, and that he’d been denied entry into the U.S. for his purported terrorist ties. Who, after all, would dare speak of such unpleasant matters when all of New Zealand was coming together, in such perfect harmony, to embrace the beautiful myth of Muslim innocence?
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April 27, 2019 12:20pm
- kevn
  
  @John… Wordy and a very worthy read. Good work.
  
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  April 27, 2019 12:48pm
- Justitia
  
  Well said.
  
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  April 27, 2019 1:08pm
- MH
  
  yes, how in God’s name did they allow Cat Stevens into the country,why is the media so gutless. This should be compulsory reading in all schools.
  
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  April 27, 2019 1:11pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Modesty of an unmarried mother? I bet the faithful laughed along side him, in private of course.
  
  Let’s not forget Louisa.
  
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  April 27, 2019 2:10pm
Jack5

A dilemma for liberals: a Red Radio report suggests that national team selection of prominent netballer Maria Folau could be in doubt because of her husband’s views.

Maria Folau is married to Israel Folau, the Wallabies rugby star. In a widely reported tweet reflecting his religious views, Israel Folau said Hell awaits homosexuals (as well as fornicators, thieves, and atheists).

It’s unlikely Maria Folau needs to worry about her husband shagging other church members, but a question for feminists is, should Maria Folau be judged by her husband’s views? Wouldn’t that be Victorian?

The Red Radio report seems to suggest that Maria Folau shouldn’t be selected unless she makes a statement declaring view distinct from those of her husband.

Are the thought police out to take away even the right to silence?

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/387896/air-should-be-cleared-if-folau-plays-for-ferns
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April 27, 2019 12:27pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Where’s the dilemma? Businesses fuck people over because it suits them to do so all the time, there’s no reason to imagine the sports business would be any different.
  
  That said, if Netball NZ really does want to “encourage greater diversity and inclusion across sport, be that in terms of gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation and disability and advance the eradication of discrimination from sport,” it needs to put something in there about religious diversity and make sure it doesn’t discriminate based on religion – otherwise it’s just full of shit.
  
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  April 27, 2019 12:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And educational institutions also “fuck” people over don’t they?
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106068816/massey-university-bans-don-brash-from-speaking
    
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    April 27, 2019 5:37pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Indeed they do. Some of the fuckees deserve it more than others, of course, with few more deserving than Don “I’m not a racist, but” Brash.
      
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      April 27, 2019 6:51pm
- kowtow
  
  The new normal.
  
  Guilty by association.
  
  Very dangerous times , ironic as it comes from self declared “progressives”.
  
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  April 27, 2019 1:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  Actually he didn’t say that…he said they off to bad noddyland if they do not repent their sins…..
  
  Why do we really care what he said?
  
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  April 27, 2019 5:35pm
Johnboy

Hey…look! Who’d a thunk it eh! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112292379/rich-guys-most-likely-to-have-no-idea-what-theyre-talking-about-study-suggests
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April 27, 2019 12:49pm
Johnboy

Hey look….Trumpies on to it eh! 🙂
I’m not quite sure about that photo of him holding his pretend pistol to his temple of course! 🙂

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/112292767/trump-tells-nra-hes-withdrawing-from-un-arms-trade-treaty
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April 27, 2019 12:55pm
BrownSnake

I would have thought that by now?

I mean Terrorists and Terrorist Organisations have been using New Zealand and Australia as Bases and training Grounds for a number of years, now (in plain sight) and for all of the Syrian Conflict.

Started
15 March 2011 – present (8 years, 1 month, 1 week and 4 days)

I would have thought seeing as the latest 2 incidents 1 in NZ another in Sri Lanka originated in Australia that?

People might start asking Questions?

Like have? or shouldn’t?

The NZ and Australian Governments
would have / should have
held urgent or immediate talks???

Have they?
Are they going to?
When will they?

Why haven’t they?

if they did what was the outcome?

Regarding a legal framework to protect all.

I am not against showing people due respect and sympathy but..?

But after that what?

There are practical operational responsibilities that come with leadership in this modern age.

So apart from putting on a head scarf
saying some platitudes hugging and lighting candles on a pragmatic front what has happened?
really Honestly?

Banning semi autos (if there are more) I think it is safe so say they already have them and will not turn them in ? and with the amount of illegal shooting in NZ before and after that incident
getting them will be easy?

I think when you are all criminally negligent
the first thing to do is ban speech or criticism
of what you do and what you have repeatedly
refused to do?

A recent Trip to China?

Another Trip to France?

Do we seriously think setting up a global
Censored Digital Gulag will prevent this Nonsense
we have known about for years? and why now?

The net is full of the pictures of beheaded christians some australians have taken pictures of their children holding them?

Are we to pretend the people in the Governments
of Australia NZ and France do not know this?
and it has just come to their attention?

Prompt Sane Action by NZ authorities could have
prevented Sri Lanka?

If they had asked that Australia share
all its information on ALL its many many many
Terrorist suspects and there are hundreds.

This is common knowledge and if you do not know
this you are either dishonest or as thick as a brick.

Realistically that is what I would have done.
That afternoon? Hold a meeting with the AUS PM.

Maybe they NZ police did and that is why the NZ police said WTF we have so many here you have so many there we can’t handle this? Reduce the number of ANZAC day events esp as ANZAC
day has been threatened numerous time in AUS?

Only preventative raids prevented those?

It would not have taken a rocket Scientist to figure
out that after they helped plan the blowing of a
Church in the Philippinnes (most likely) and were involved in destroying an entire city there etc etc etc
ALL FACTS.

Did no one in NZ notice?

That other countries were on the cards?

If I were a relative of a Victim of Sri Lanka
I would be investigating taking legal action
against the Australian Government and in particular the Labour State Premier of Victoria
and perhaps Jacinda as well.

He like Jacinda is busy on more important
things like the Chinese Belt Roads Sell out.

You would think that two “labour leaders”
would share notes and approaches?

They all seem to sing to the same tune when it comes to selling both countries down the toilet?

I think it is really important to realise the people who do the most postoring after the events.

Do not give a rats about the lives of Christians ,Moslems or anyone else. They pretend to but they
do not.

They refuse to do their jobs and they use these incidents as a power grab because power is the
drug they are addicted to.

If they did (Do their Jobs)
they would have done a whole lot more
sooner and would have acted promptly and sanely
both before and after the recent incidents?

They will refuse to until someone threatens
them with legal action.

The “Legal approach” is the sane approach.

Their legal approach is just butt covering because
they know they have all been criminally negligent
and they think tweaking a few laws will solve
the problem they nurtured and absolve them of
past and future responsibility.

So while our leader talks about shutting down speech of any particular kind – which translates
to anything that brings greater scrutiny of them,
their methods and their warped ideologies?

We still do not know what is the legal status
of the Hundreds of Australian Participants
and less NZ Participants in the
Syrian Conflict?

Are they going to be give a free pass to come
to New Zealand?

Does anyone know?
Does anyone care?

or Does that law change after the next incident
or the one after?

or will another judicial enquiry be needed
after each terrible incident?

These Questions are long overdue and it should
not have taken several recent tragedies and the
loss of even more lives and we are talking hundreds.

For these questions to be asked?
and action to be take?

The Time has come for the people of both
NZ and Australia – Christian and Moslem
to start dragging politicians kicking and
screaming through their own legal systems.

If people do not do this – the situation is only going to deteriorate and escalate.

If nothing else it forces these retards to both think
and to in fact do their jobs, they are in fact
public servants.

Please Note:

Tony Abbot ex PM of Australia
Asked for a meeting with the Islamic Council of Victoria for assistance in preventing Jihad – they refused. He was strongly criticised for this?

To his credit Abbot organised a number of preventative raids

Malcolm Turnbull
One of the Best Lawyers the region has seen
Took on the British GVT and won

They have set up an excellent legal framework
to charge early and prevent but he has been removed?

If I was a NZ Politician or leader.

The legals status of people who have participated
in or supported what has gone on in Syria needs
urgent attention and clarification.

And it needs to be the Same in Aus and NZ.

The Continued Failure to do this
AFTER EIGHT YEARS
is going to have
further tragic consequences.

Now it is happening in NZ or has the potential to
people may take notice.

But I will not hold my breath on that.

Someone may loosen the head scarf and allow
some oxygen to the brain.

But I doubt it, but it is time to make it very clear
if these issues are not handled properly and promptly.

It must be made very clear that

Politicians must be charged or at the very least
now be threatened with the prospect of legal action.

Do the NZ and AUS pms meet for Security
Briefings?

Do the NZ Police and Aus Police Cooperate?

This is an immediate and urgent Crisis

That is being deliberately ignored?

You do not need a Judicial Enquiry to figure it out
or are going to wait for its findings you should resign?

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/new-zealand-pm-ardern-orders-inquiry-into-christchurch-massacre

This is butt covering 2 minutes of research reveals
people from NZ have left NZ to do as bad and worse?

What are the Parameters of the Enquiry and do they
actually involve investigating Australia?

Does this involve Australia where 2 perpetrators
originated from?

Seriously
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April 27, 2019 1:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The PM of Sri Lanka is now well aware that something has been going on amongst Aussie militant Muslims.
  
  We know there is some militancy going on in Australia among the Muslims. Australia has been out there fighting [in the war on terror].”
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/26/sri-lanka-pm-wickremesinghe-bombings
  
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  April 27, 2019 3:03pm
- BrownSnake
  
  I would like to add all of these incidents
  Disgust me and make me want to vomit.
  
  I spent an hour recently talking to a Moslem
  who was in NZ attending a friends Funeral.
  
  It was gut wrenching.
  Kind of make me want to puke.
  
  I honey mooned in C H C H
  27 years ago
  
  I regularly get to talk to people from the middle
  east Sri Lanka Pakistan afghanistan Syria etc etc
  it is more interesting. All religions Sikh Hindu
  Buddhits Moslem and Christian.
  I have even spoken to the endangered species
  of Syrian Christian.
  
  I also note that the NZ Pm does not appear
  to have had any urgent meetings with Australian
  ASIO ?
  
  I would have thought a joint work group
  would be implemented urgently?
  
  I would have thought a team of SIS stationed
  in Aus would be a sensible move? and vice
  versa? a team of ASIO in NZ.
  
  She has been interviewed by the Australian Media?
  
  She has Hugged Waleed Aly
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1888708/Video-Waleed-Aly-Jacinda-Ardern-embrace-ahead-emotional-interview.html
  
  Wonderful
  
  But since the last 2 incident mostly originating in
  Australia
  
  What better faster more accurate information
  has NZ got and what preventative
  detainment legislation does NZ have?
  
  Do they have people re viewing information
  and is there a plan to action a plan of
  prevention? Who are they and are they
  qualified
  
  All we have is confiscated Weapons
  Some already stolen and released to the criminal
  community?
  
  A Royal Legal enquiry that will take
  what how long?
  
  What are its parameters?
  
  Fascinating
  
  Of course even discussing this online you
  risk arrest and imprisonment
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/the-sri-lankan-attacks-are-uniquely-senseless-20190425-p51h2v.html
  
  Waleed Aly
  Has just finally responded with an Article
  on Sri lanka
  
  With not one mention of one of them being
  radicalised in……
  
  AUSTRALIA
  
  Mistake or deliberate omission?
  
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  April 28, 2019 10:15am
Maggie Pie

I have only just set up my own ‘Instagram’ account – amazingly it works just as well when your not in a restaurant or on an overseas holiday.
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April 27, 2019 2:17pm
All_on_Red

Oops
Elon Musk has had his motion to dismiss the defamation case from Thai Caver hero Vernon Unsworth DENIED. Full order to be issued. Huge win for Unsworth as he moves closer to making Musk accountable for false accusations.
Unsworths Lawyer is L Lin Wood, who is also acting for Nick Sandmann, the Covington teenager suing Wapo- amongst others.
Woods got quite a record
http://www.linwoodlaw.com/attorney/l-lin-wood/
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April 27, 2019 2:36pm
All_on_Red

How’s it going Mrs May?
Badly I think
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 30% (-)
CON: 27% (-2)
BREX: 14% (+2)
LDEM: 11% (+1)
GRN: 5% (-)
CHUK: 3% (-)

via @YouGov, 23 – 24 Apr
Chgs. w/ 17 Apr
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April 27, 2019 2:48pm
- The King
  
  No UKIP? last i saw they were polling at 10%
  
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  April 27, 2019 10:07pm
Maggie Pie

My partner has just come and informed me that the Catholic Cardinal of Sri Lanka has just “…cancelled all Sunday Mass until further notice”. Worrying times for a country that is 70% Christian and only 6% Muslim.
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April 27, 2019 3:21pm
- The King
  
  10% muslim 7% Christian 70% Buddhist.
  
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  April 27, 2019 6:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Sri Lanka is not 70% Christian.
  
  The majority are Buddhists (70%).
  
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  April 27, 2019 6:27pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Honestly – no wonder my mother still thinks hes a dick!!
    
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    April 27, 2019 7:27pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

bozo Brown has a couple of questions!!

https://twitter.com/publicaddress/status/1121956673935949824

Are Christians anywhere being put in concentration camps like Uighur Muslims in China? Threatened with ethnic cleansing like Indian Muslims? Being driven into the sea like the Rohingya in Myanmar?
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April 27, 2019 5:10pm
- MickMac
  
  Sir Leslie
  Maybe people have had enough of 1400 yrs of Jihad perhaps?
  
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  April 27, 2019 8:18pm
  - Jack5
    
    Brown is ignorant of the persecution of Christians in Myanmar/Burma since the country became independent in 1948. More than 100,000 Christian refugees from Myanmar are living in Malaysia.
    
    Brown is ignorant of, or ignores, the genocide of Armenian Christians by the Muslim Ottomans, and the current wiping out of Christianity in the Middle East outside Lebanon – while Christians are shut out of the official refugee chains (link below).
    
    Brown is ignorant of, or ignores, the persecution of Indian Christians by Hindu nationalists, and the repression of Christians in China.
    
    Here a veteran NZ journalist with wide Middle East experience tells of discrimination against Christian refugees in Iraq:
    
    https://www.nzcatholic.org.nz/2017/03/20/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination/
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:54pm
MrTips

Gregor Paul writes what I consider to be bigoted, over the top nonsense on rugby and his dislike of Christian displays of belief. Note most players doing this are Polynesian, what to make of Paul’s opinion on that?

Mr Paul: when Sri Lankan Catholics can go back to Mass, because, currently they may STILL get blown up, then I’ll read your trollop in a better light.

Out of his mind imo.
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April 27, 2019 5:19pm
- kowtow
  
  “It’s a sad but inevitable fact of life that any change designed to be more reflective of a changed and progressive, liberal society will be brandished “PC gone mad” by the conservative right.”
  
  From a “sports” reporter , that is one hell of a political statement .
  The culture wars in full flight.
  
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  April 27, 2019 6:54pm
- nasska
  
  …..”when Sri Lankan Catholics can go back to Mass, because, currently they may STILL get blown up”…..
  
  Surely being blown up is a small price to be paid compared with worshipping the wrong Skyfairy.
  
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  April 27, 2019 7:07pm
- Jack5
  
  Gregor Paul, orginally a Pom rugby commentator, now in Auckland, is telling Canterbury that changing the name of the “Crusaders” is the right thing to do.
  
  Paul thinks this will encourage the region’s Muslims to flock to rugby matches. Has this guy ever been to the South Island? Muslims make up around 0.5 per cent of the population in the Crusaders catchment area – the northern part of the South Island.
  
  Would Paul have the Saracens rugby club of his home country change its name? The Saracens were the Muslim armies who fought the Christian Crusaders. Canterbury also has a Saracens rugby club.
  
  New Zealand has rugby clubs with “pirates” in their title. And of course there are the “chiefs” of the Waikato, whose Maori were the target of a military invasion by the British colonists. And if the “Crusaders” name must change, what about the Chiefs, and the Highlanders, whose name is as warlike as “Crusaders”?
  
  Rugby chief Tew, cited by Paul, should concentrate on staunching the decline of competitive rugby clubs in many parts of the country. Or does Tew think they can be resurrected by immigrants from non-rugby countries?
  
  Paul’s weird epistle
  on the Crusaders:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12225749
  
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  April 27, 2019 7:41pm
  - The King
    
    Well Paul will have to organize separate seating for the muslim women and get the stadiums to ban all music and alcohol and non-halel food. Make sure all non-muslim women are covered, i suppose we could sell hijabs at the gate.
    
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    April 27, 2019 10:16pm
Rob2

t was revealed by the Real Estate Institute this week that, in some parts of Auckland, the median residential property sale price in the six months to the end of March was 30 per cent less than in the same period the year before.

Mt Albert had the biggest price slump, followed by Royal Oak.

Data from Homes.co.nz shows that the median capital gain across Auckland in the past six months, for properties bought and sold within the past two years, was about $40,000.

Mt Albert and Royal Oak.
Well it doesn’t take rocket science to figure out why does it.

Do the words Helen Clark and Muslim enclave say anything?

it will get worse.

If you own property there GET OUT QUICK.
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