General Debate 26 April 2019

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krazykiwi

I’ve given up trying to understand Kiwiblog’s moderation strategy, and will be picking up something more straightforward, like astro physics or understanding women.
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April 26, 2019 8:00am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I know a bit about astro physics so am alright there.
  
  Women; keep us posted on how that pans out
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:15am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    There are two phrases used in our house that maintain the order of the sexes. Her one is that “It’s easier to ask for forgiveness than permission”, and mine is “Happy wife, happy life”.
    
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    April 26, 2019 8:26am
    - kloyd0306
      
      …..in Southern USA the equivalent is:
      
      If Mamma ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy.
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:05am
  - Andrei
    
    Graeme Yule headmaster of Scotts College in Wellington apprently needs lessons before the school becomes co-ed next year.
    
    Scots College headmaster accused of making ‘sexist’ remarks about female students
    
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    April 26, 2019 8:50am
    - artemisia
      
      Those lessons will include how to identify ‘social influencer’ snowflakes before deciding on their applications to enter Scots.
      
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      April 26, 2019 8:57am
    - Stephen James
      
      So before the girls even get to the college they are stirring. Poor Mr Yule has a target on his back now for sure.
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:28am
  - softail 1450
    
    Paulus Gnome ,only gay men truly understand women….LOL.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  At heart, we are simple little creatures.
  http://timothymartell.com/how-to-understand-women/
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:22am
  - David Garrett
    
    Very droll Maggy…
    
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    April 26, 2019 8:40am
  - softail 1450
    
    M W,,,Very good .
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:51am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    And just as men think they understand women, we rewrite the rules. Why? Because we can.
    
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    April 26, 2019 10:16am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Northland Wahine , that’s the first time I’ve actually seen a woman admit to what every man ever born suspected.
      
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      April 26, 2019 12:02pm
- Johnboy
  
  I’ve always liked Batman. I’m a little concerned about what he’s up to with Robin of course. 🙂
  
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  April 26, 2019 12:51pm
  - Batman
    
    Catwoman is more my style ?
    
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    April 26, 2019 1:07pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Now I have just come to notice, seeing that I haven’t been here much due to my disgust at the shoddy new policy, that since you appeared Batman Milkeymaid has disappeared.
      Call me a silly old fool if you wish but I have a nose for such goings on. Tell me it is is not true! 🙂
      
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      April 26, 2019 3:57pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’m still waiting for you to tell me you are not Milkey Batman. All your smug comments point towards that conclusion. Tell me I’m just a fellow with an overactive sense of of smell. 🙂
        
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        April 26, 2019 5:17pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I am of the opinion that pathetic little ex-public service penpushers would adopt the name of a Superhero as their new persona given a wee tad of power. 🙂
        
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        April 26, 2019 5:25pm
artemisia

So the Privacy Commissioner has deleted some tweets about Facebook because the comments on them were ‘toxic and misinformed’. Some might think that comment applies equally to him, and that it is a look-at-moi moment that backfired.

“Facebook cannot be trusted. They are morally bankrupt pathological liars who enable genocide (Myanmar), facilitate foreign undermining of democratic institutions.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12221249
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April 26, 2019 8:02am
- srylands
  
  How ridiculous. Facebook has not enabled genocide in Burma. That would be Aung San Suu Kyi who had been a deep disappointment. Someone who developed an enormous store of goodwill over 25 years, and then did nothing when she finally got real power.
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:14am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  “Pathological Liars” Doesn’t have to look to far to find these closer to the vine.
  Let me guess, if precious kept having people killed all around him and burnt out for years on end, he was just suck it all up.
  Trouble with censors, they sometimes can’t see the forest for the trees.
  My personal view of Burma they have shown remarkable resilience over many many years.
  I have been there several times, first time 1977.
  Does he throw the same venom on Bangladesh who really are just as bad.
  Looking like a left leaning censor totally out of control, free speech is supposed to be about sensible discussion, not knee jerk reactions and I am right because I am going to decide what all have an opinion on.
  Thank goodness you cannot control my opinion.
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:23am
  - ldypen
    
    “Thank goodness you cannot control my opinion”… hey, don’t worry they are working on it!
    
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    April 26, 2019 8:46am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  There’s a guy who wanders the streets in Wellington, constantly angry and muttering abuse at some imaginary enemy. John Edwards reminds me of that guy.
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:48am
  - RalphT
    
    If it’s the one I’m thinking of there’s no muttering involved; the Fs and Cs he uses are quite clear, though who the abuse is being hurled at is anyone’s guess. Torture’s would seem to be the least of his problems.
    
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    April 26, 2019 8:58am
    - RalphT
      
      Bloody auto correct: Tourette’s, not torture
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:56am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Hate speech from the Privy Commissar.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:14am
  - 3-coil
    
    It’s evident that our Privacy Commissioner, mr Edwards, is a twit. He is thick enough to tweet such obnoxious puerile crap in the first instance, then even thicker to think that if he deletes it then it will go away.
    
    Sunday night tweeting….had he been drinking/was he drunk??
    
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    April 26, 2019 10:50am
- Nermal
  
  While there is ample photographic evidence of the Rwandan genocide, Bosnia, the Holocaust, the rape of Nanking, and even the Armenian genocide, when I Google search Rohingya genocide there is no verifiable evidence of civilian deaths
  
  All the photos are of Bangladeshis fleeing Myanmar (Burma) after an unsuccessful Muslim uprising.
  
  But then, Muslims are great at playing the victims
  
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  April 26, 2019 3:10pm
Tony Stuart

I’m confused; is today Monday, or Friday, or some other day? What an odd week it’s been!
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April 26, 2019 8:13am
- srylands
  
  It is Friday. At least in the state sector, 80 percent of folk all independently decided to take this week off with no thought on deliverables.
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:16am
Paulus

Did I not hear this morning on RNZ that there is now a growing number of Right Wing Nationalist organisations now in New Zealand ?
I am bemused because it appears to, me that such comments are designed to show our country that to be slightly right wing or centre – such as voting National in the General Election that you are part of the “National”ist movement.
I assume that the people who are running Ardern are behind these comments and we will hear more of this up to the Election- that to vote anything but Left Wing you are a Right Wing Nationalist.
We know that the Left Wing war path team are already working in earnest so this is probably part of their overseas designed re election strategy.
May God Defend New Zealand.
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April 26, 2019 8:13am
- G152
  
  They’re setting the scene for some later action against their perceived ‘enemy’.
  Any group can suddenly find itself categorized as being what it is not, in fact most their ‘alt right wing ‘ groups will exist only in the minds of social justice warriors
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:27am
- srylands
  
  If the economy softens expect the next election to be about the Treaty, inclusiveness, and hate speech.
  
  I keep hearing that the Christchurch shooter “changed everything”. No. Others are using the shooter as an opportunity to change everything.
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:31am
- Ross12
  
  Paulus
  
  Have a read of this great article by James Delingpole
  to help understand what is going on.
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/04/25/sir-roger-scruton-vindicated-over-leftist-smears/
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:45am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Thank you for bringing that to our attention. I think that James Delingpole might possibly be one of the best commentators in the world.
    Insightful!!!
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:53am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  No one really knows what a “right-wing nationalist” is.
  Ghandi was a nationalist (India for Indians)
  Hilter was a left-wing nationalist.
  
  I suppose “right-wing nationalist” in the eyes of the media would be a classical liberal who wants their country to continue to be a democracy, to have free speech, individual responsibility, shared values and the desire for the “rule of law” and “one law for all.”
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:48am
  - JB.49
    
    Adolf Hitler denied that Nazism was either left-wing or right-wing, instead he officially portrayed Nazism as a syncretic movement.
    
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    April 26, 2019 5:57pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I heard that too. Some lefty snowflake has taken it upon herself to report people with views she doesn’t share to the Police. Apparently right-wingers are lurking everywhere just waiting to hurt her feelings.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:08am
  - peterwn
    
    Joe McCarthy (‘red under every bed’) all over again.
    
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    April 26, 2019 10:03am
- cmm
  
  Yup, the Missing Million Labour voters have a duty to rise up and vote against those Key-loving right-wingers.
  
  The slightest display of nationalism is frowned upon.
  
  How can anyone even vote for the National party. Heck they proudly claim to be Nationalists just like the Nazis.
  
  There’s a deep well of PR opportunity to be mined here, even a professional chip wrapper could exploit it.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern has a clever hidden PR team of rabid opinion stirrers. They set the election issues well in advance.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:16am
- waikatogirl
  
  There was a time NZ’ers were seen and treated as individuals. Now we are being labelled as only being part of a group. One group of good – their supporters, and one group of bad – selfish “right wingers” the CoL and their vindictive supporters can direct their bile at.
  
  We need to fight for our right to be individuals.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:21am
  - Rich Prick
    
    They do that so they can dish the punishment out by the job lot. Gun laws, hate speech, censorship, hating on white right-wing folk, you name it. We’ve seen it in full swing post Christchurch and Cindy has been stoking that fire relentlessly.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:38am
- Lance
  
  So will voting for National make you a far right redneck and an enemy of the state?
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:41am
  - tf78
    
    Lance, I hope so.
    
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    April 26, 2019 10:05am
- softail 1450
  
  Paulus,there is a great opening for an entrepreneur to start manufacturing oversized sick bags, we are all going to need one to carry around 24hrs a day when the COL start their election campaign next year.
  Arderne will probably be put up on billboards twenty metres high complete with hijab and backdrops of Christchurch ,baby Neeve in arms and the fisherman behind with his hair blowing back,
  Oh god Im feeling nauseous…..
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:59am
- Nermal
  
  Of course there are more Right Wing organisations in NZ than ever before. It’s a simple case of labelling everything to the right of Labour as “right wing”, and to the right of National as Far Right.
  
  I, myself, am now a Far right, nationalist, populist, racist, misogynist, Nazi, islamophobic white male, while not so long a go I used to be an average kiwi bloke
  
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  April 26, 2019 3:17pm
Happychappy

I heard yesterday that the people that wrecked all the crosses in Huntly that were set up for Anzac Day were high school students. This was vandalism at it’s worst and I for one will be highly pissed off if the only get slapped with a wet bus ticket. Our Supermarket here gets hit daily with shop lifting and the staff have no means s of stopping it as they can’t touch or retain them for the crimes they have committed and you never hear whether they have been convicted for their crime. It seem that youth get away with blatant criminal behaviour supported by many laws that have changed in their favour over the past few years and it is time once again to prevent crimes like this by harsher sentences.
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April 26, 2019 8:17am
- David Garrett
  
  Happy: Absolutely…I would promote a mandatory one year in jail – NOT automatically shortened to six months by the Sentencing Act – for anyone defacing a war memorial or objects associated with it, such as wreaths and crosses.
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:46am
  - Andrei
    
    In Singapore they would get the cane and a very sore bum
    
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    April 26, 2019 8:55am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Called Birching, isn’t it?
      
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      April 26, 2019 5:20pm
- The Heat
  
  Yes. Sentence them to military-style training camps (not the fun kind, either). Don’t behave? Spend some time in military-style jails. Then back to the training camps. Then out in public again if well behaved.
  
  Do this for a few hundred “challenged yuff” and the problem will solve itself. Happy to pay more taxes in the short-medium term to make it happen.
  
  #hadenough
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:59am
Yvette

There may be a slight jump of logic between the two issues, but if the Tax Working Group proposals on Capital Gains Tax – after the prolonged period of expert research, consultation, consideration and debate – is now entirely dismissed, what is the chances, with no such similar input process, that the gas exploration decision could be a little astray too?

And if – Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says there will be no CGT, “not because I don’t believe in it, but because I don’t believe New Zealanders do”, is it because we have not told her that we really don’t believe in the gas exploration ban, that it still exists?
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April 26, 2019 8:20am
- artemisia
  
  Even if there is a Captain’s ReCall it is too late now. The message is out there in exploration-land that New Zealand doesn’t like them or their money.
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:28am
  - David Garrett
    
    artemisa: Quite so…no future government can undo the terminal damage done to the oil exploration industry by the “captains call” by the SLG.
    
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    April 26, 2019 8:47am
    - srylands
      
      I think in the 2030s, the decision will be looked back on as a very poor one.
      
      We will be left to import gas for residential and industrial use at great cost. Also gas will still feature in electricity generation, or the irony, thermal stations will switch back to coal.
      
      This link shows how pervasive gas use is in the economy. You can’t just switch it off. Although I would expect that the ammonia-urea production plant will shut down. That production will just switch elsewhere. Which means that as well as importing all our gas, we will be importing all of our fertiliser.
      
      Of course, how many New Zealanders that think gas is “bad” are aware of any of this?
      
      https://www.mbie.govt.nz/building-and-energy/energy-and-natural-resources/energy-statistics-and-modelling/energy-statistics/gas-statistics/
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:21am
    - greybeard
      
      Nonsense.
      All Bridges has to to do is come out right now and say he will revoke that stupid decision upon becoming PM.
      Plus a few other stupid decisions.
      
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      April 26, 2019 3:35pm
      - artemisia
        
        It is a long term industry in a country with short electoral cycles.
        
        Some of the Labour-led governments initiatives will be tricky to unbundle. Like those that give out free money, or are under contract like the 10,000+ Kiwibuild homes due to be delivered well beyond 2020.
        
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        April 26, 2019 4:07pm
  - cmm
    
    Oil/gas exploration is a long-term investment which means it needs a long term politically/economically stable environment.
    
    Searching for the right place to drill can take years. Once the right place is found it typically takes 5 to 10 years to develop an offshore well and get it productive.
    
    If NZF dies off, then that will give Green much more power in a Labour/Green coalition. Imagine the damage they could cause.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:15am
    - Hacked-Off
      
      Dear cmm,
      
      The problem with the Winston First Party is that they did nothing to stop Adern making that particular Captain’s Call. The look on Shane Jone’s face and his attempt to hide his face in his hands during the announcement said it all – ‘Its a bad idea and we know it, but for some reason we are not going to oppose it’. National opposed it and that should have given some spine to Winston to stop this insanity as there were the votes in Parliament to frustrate the rest of the CoL. Peters has only himself to blame.
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:55am
      - gravedodger
        
        The Captains call on oil and gas was a down payment on the Winston First conservation act often referred to as The Waka Jumping Act.
        
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        April 26, 2019 10:58am
      - cmm
        
        NZF are in it for the trough. That is all.
        
        Do not expect them to go in to bat for anyone else.
        
        The only positive function they perform is being the senior party and keeping Greens weak.
        
        If the Greens held the balance of power then we’d be paying 70% tax to subsidise electric cars etc etc.
        
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        April 26, 2019 11:36am
- kowtow
  
  And it’s not just central gubmint , down here in Daft Dunners, a goodly number of locally elected types are agin’ it too .
  To my simple mind this is astonishing. Dunedin is drowning in debt , is one of the poorest electorates in the country ( South D ) has a myriad of social problems , is desperate for investment and jobs and yet …….
  
  Mind you when the standard of voting in local politics means Alicia Aardvark , being at the top of the ballot list, would get elected , then I suppose we get what we deserve , ain’t universalism great ?
  
  ‘A group of Otago regional and Dunedin city councillors will boycott a briefing by Austrian gas giant OMV, as the Dunedin City Council calls on the Government to take action.’
  
  I despair.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/councillors-boycott-gas-giants-briefing
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:51am
  - simpleton1
    
    As well as the government I would not be surprised that Dunedin rate payers would also be a soft touch.
    
    When Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern visited the mosque yesterday, Dr Rizwan told her that it would need Government support to reach its funding goals.
    
    She told him to work through the request with local MPs.
    
    The association has set up a fundraising page on the website Givealittle.
    
    There had already been discussions between the association and other organisations such as the Dunedin City Council about how they could help, he said.
    
    At this stage there were no detailed plans for the upgrade but the aim was to build another storey on top of one of the existing rooms, Dr Rizwan said.
    
    If successful, the association’s medium and long-term plan was to build more mosques in the city, he said.
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/community-has-outgrown-its-mosque
    
    I wonder if a “bell tower” could be built on the side. It will not hinder Friday prayers, but could ring out on Sundays just to help everybody to be inclusive. 🙂
    
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    April 26, 2019 11:38am
Lizziep

I would be very interested in hearing who/what these Right Wing Nationalist organisations are, and where they are situated. I think its made up by those media people to frighten people with out any grey matter into thinking its something bad. If the media are so certain give us the list. It would be hardly surprising if there were, someone has to stand up for the rights of hardworking New Zealanders. Just asking for a friend if anyone has a list.
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April 26, 2019 8:22am
godruelf

I was planning a trip to China last year and subscribed to a VPN to try and get round great firewall of china. renewed it for 3 years last week . I never thought I would need it for use in new Zealand to avoid censorship or tracking now I’m not sure. thanks COL.
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April 26, 2019 8:27am
Albert_Ross

Just to howl in impotent fury at the TV advert featuring a female voice over solemnly declaiming “They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old …”

It’s THEY SHALL NOT GROW OLD. “They shall grow not old” is ugly and clumsy and even if it weren’t, it’s not what the poet wrote.

Of the dozens of people that would have been involved in commissioning, making and screening this gratuitous ineptitude, wasn’t there a single one who cared enough to make sure to get it right?
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April 26, 2019 8:28am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Actually Albert, just about every version I have found on the internet, including the link below, contradict you. Here’s the full version of Binyon’s timeless words:
  
  For the Fallen
  
  Poem by Robert Laurence Binyon (1869-1943), published in The Times newspaper on 21 September 1914.
  
  With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
  England mourns for her dead across the sea.
  Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
  Fallen in the cause of the free.
  
  Solemn the drums thrill: Death august and royal
  Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres.
  There is music in the midst of desolation
  And a glory that shines upon our tears.
  
  They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
  Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
  They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
  They fell with their faces to the foe.
  
  They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
  Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
  At the going down of the sun and in the morning
  We will remember them.
  
  They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
  They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
  They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
  They sleep beyond England’s foam.
  
  But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
  Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
  To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
  As the stars are known to the Night;
  
  As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
  Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain,
  As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
  To the end, to the end, they remain.
  
  http://www.greatwar.co.uk/poems/laurence-binyon-for-the-fallen.htm
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:33am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Ahem, I think the poem’s author has the final say:
  
  They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
  Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
  At the going down of the sun and in the morning
  We will remember them.
  
  http://www.greatwar.co.uk/poems/laurence-binyon-for-the-fallen.htm
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:37am
  - Biscuit
    
    Tony and Wavey, I always liked this, from W H Auden (who also wrote ‘Stop All The Clocks’):
    
    It’s the Epitaph for the Unknown Soldier:
    
    To save your world, you asked this man to die:
    Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?
    
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    April 26, 2019 10:02am
- WaveyDavey
  
  and closer to home, in Chch:
  
  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Christchurch_Cathedral_Memorial.JPG/800px-Christchurch_Cathedral_Memorial.JPG
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:41am
Greg Ettridge

I notice on Wiki the “kiddy fiddler” that has been clinically cleansed from the earth, is supposedly having another appearance on July 22, this is stringing out justice to a ridiculous level. 17 months have gone by, the labor party official handling this deserves a top award for shutting this disgraceful episode down, 100% cleansed.
Looks like they will be able to string it out beyond next election, that must be a great relief for some
Maybe the censor could make a comment.
Justice will be seen to be done, not.
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April 26, 2019 8:34am
- calendar girl
  
  This trial and everything around it is being taken to unacceptable levels of delay and secrecy – the very antithesis of open and efficient justice.
  
  Who is pulling the strings to create such delays, as well as suppression of the accused’s identity?
  
  Would appreciate any web link(s) to reporting of the latest Court appearance to 22 July.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:10am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Counsel are likely requesting extensions because of their timetabling difficulties–can’t be in two Courts at one time.
    I have known charges to be dismissed because the judge found the delay time unacceptable.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:25am
  - alien
    
    no one is pulling any strings as I have said countless times, it was delayed because of the christchurch shooting. As reported on the radio at the time that a number of courts around the country were closed because of the shooting and this case was one that was mentioned in the radio report that had been postponed until a latter date because of the court being closed.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:30am
    - calendar girl
      
      Have seen that explanation before, but simply can’t imagine that that could have had a greater effect nation-wide than a few days.
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:50am
      - alien
        
        gotta remember when it came out, the news was mainly christchurch for a good week afterwards, I would think like a labour firday news drop it slipped under the radar
        
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        April 26, 2019 12:14pm
    - softail 1450
      
      alien ,FFS are you serious? you do know that most folk in NZ have a brain that actually works .
      
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      April 26, 2019 10:10am
      - alien
        
        obviously you don’t
        
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        April 26, 2019 12:15pm
- kevn
  
  @Greg… Now, about the Czech crim caper. Where is that at?
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:18am
  - sooty
    
    Iain LeesGallaway still considering his options!
    Does he have his mistresses confidence?
    Will he stand again, nobody knows?
    If he bails it’s all true!
    
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    April 26, 2019 10:03am
  - alien
    
    sounds like even national have given up on that.
    
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    April 26, 2019 12:13pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Leave one dead horse unflogged and you have to let them all go – where would we be then?
      
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      April 26, 2019 2:56pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  From wiki..
  “Justice delayed is justice denied” is a legal maxim meaning that if legal redress is available for a party that has suffered some injury, but is not forthcoming in a timely fashion, it is effectively the same as having no redress at all.
  Maybe we could ask the minister, if he believes this?
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:23am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Link to where I picked up court date
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Young_Labour
  Is under this heading
  “ Summer School Sexual Assault Scandal”
  I did spend a fair amount of time on tracking this, I have never seen the net swept so clean by unknown sicko’s that think it is fine to hide the kiddy fiddler.
  Someone has spent a huge amount of time cleansing this, normally with a VPN it is easy to pickup info from another locality, I cannot find anything, good example was Pell was everywhere except Australia. Best unkept secret.
  Your judicial system is going down the same road as Victoria’s, so much for open government.
  How long does it take to convict someone with dozens of people supposedly sitting and observing what went on.
  This is the classic cover up.
  Sadly police and judicial appear to be compliant with the secrecy in this disgusting event.
  Serving Justice is one thing, denying open Justice is just a cop out.
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:26am
  - alien
    
    cannot compare Pell to this. Of course there will be far more about Pell on the internet because the accusations of him have been around for well over a decade.
    
    and whether we like it or not we also have in NZ this thing called innocent until proven guilty. I can’t help but think some of the people here care more about scoring political points than the victims
    
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    April 26, 2019 12:08pm
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      I have to agree with you, unfortunately someone controlling the NZ Labour Party website has different ideas. When you delete web pages, they do leave a footprint. Big footprint.
      It is very easy for anyone to see that offspring cease to exist. I am not sure why this can be, surely they would wait for the guilty verdict.
      Very unfair on one of them.
      I have not mentioned who this charged sicko is, I know who it is and have known for many months, unlike the Labour website I am patiently waiting to see if a conviction occurs. Maybe you should direct your good advice to Labour Party webmasters, they are pointing the finger to the charged party and an innocent person taking one for the cause.
      One thing have them rubbed from the earth, another is do it unnoticed.
      So much for open government.
      
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      April 26, 2019 1:08pm
      - alien
        
        to be honest I don’t really care who he is or what is connection to labour is. All I care about is that a fair trial is held, that he cannot get off because of people breaking name suppresion orders. And at the end of the day that the victims get their justice. Too many people posting here are looking for political hits on labour on this and don’t care about the victims. I’ve yet to see any of these people whinging about the case not happening yet express anything for the victims, it’s sick
        
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        April 26, 2019 2:38pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Very sanctimonious of you, alien, but you appear to have a very keen interest in defending the indefensible. That impression comes from your trying to claim that a trial in the North Island (for incidents alleged to have occurred at Easter 2018) has been delayed because of the Christchurch terrorist attack that occurred on 15 March 2019. What utter whitewash. You must be able to do better than that.
        
        It’s obvious enough that the accused must be a Labour Party member. Is he being ‘protected’ by Party interests / insiders seeking dismissal of the case on grounds of undue delay? And who do you claim has been breaking name suppression orders? I haven’t seen any reports or evidence of that.
        
        I don’t know the accused’s name, or his Labour Party personal connections, but there better be damned good reasons for ongoing suppression of his name beyond his simply being a Labour Party insider. It’s time that any youngsters affected at the relevant Labour Party camp are able to see justice done for assaults that they are said to have endured. And that would be helped by the trial proceeding promptly, without further diversions.
        
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        April 26, 2019 9:30pm
cas

I was reading about how Nike’s slogan “Let’s Do It”was inspired by murderer Gary Gilmour’s last words before being executed which were “Let’s Do This”.

i wonder how original the next Labour slogan will be. The Year of Delivery doesn’t seem to be a good choice. What about Trust Us, jacinda has such a nice smile?
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April 26, 2019 8:34am
- alien
  
  gilmores last words were Let’s Do It, the advertising company changed it to Just Do It
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:57am
  - SGA
    
    “Let’s do it” or “Let’s do this”?
    
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    April 26, 2019 10:46am
    - alien
      
      let’s do it
      
      https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-execution-of-gary-gilmore
      
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      April 26, 2019 12:02pm
- SGA
  
  I was reading about how Nike’s slogan “Let’s Do It”
  
  I wouldn’t trust your source too much, if that’s the case. NIke’s slogan was “Just do it” 🙂
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:27am
  - cas
    
    Oh dear. Wiki fake news again
    
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    April 26, 2019 10:32am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Delivering the Goods
  Judas Priest
  
  “…..We’ll beat you to submission
  So you might as well surrender
  You gotta learn your lesson….”
  Labour party philosophy?
  From the words of Judas Priest.
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:41am
srylands

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/media-centre/news-notifications/permanent-residence-for-people-affected-by-the-christchurch-terrorist-attacks

The decision to grant extensive permanent residence to those affected by the Christchurch shooting has received little attention.

I understand the sentiment but I do not agree with it. Many of the people affected would have been on visitor visas with little prospect of being granted permanent residence. It seems like they are being granted PR as compensation.

If they did not qualify for residency they should have been required to leave when their visas expired. Accompanied by a substantial pile of cash from the fund raising efforts.
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April 26, 2019 8:40am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A nation that reverses or drops its laws and procedures to gain a little “feelz” shows that it has no respect for either laws or proper procedures.
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:51am
- David Garrett
  
  srylands: I agree…and how wide is the definition of “people affected”? Cousins of victims? Next door neighbours?
  
  And while I was and remain as appalled as everyone else about the Christchurch murders moderator please note preceding words, I remain firmly of the view that Muslim immigration into NZ is a very very bad idea. And when the inevitable attacks occur, and the authorities wake up, it will be too late to do anything about it…as Western European nations are now discovering.
  
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  April 26, 2019 8:59am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “…it will be too late to do anything about it…”
    
    In Western Europe, do “those immigrants”
    – Control key infrastructure?
    – Control the means of production?
    – Produce essential goods and services?
    – Add money to the nation’s coffers?
    – Control the police, military and other security forces?
    – Are identifiable from the native population?
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:05am
    - David Garrett
      
      Odayku: I don’t know exactly what point you are making…I guess the answer to each of the questions – except perhaps the last of them – is “No”…but so what?
      
      Muslims in European countries – especially the second generation from whom the overwhelming majority of the terrorists come – are followers of a religion/way of life which preaches the overthrow of everything but their way of life by whatever means necessary. And the admittedly few who take that message and mission seriously, have immense power: one man with a home made bomb can take over an aircraft costing millions of dollars and bearing perhaps 300 innocent lives.
      
      You don’t need to control key infrastructure; control the means of production; control the police and security forces etc. You have the power to hold all of those to ransom with your $20 home made bomb.
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:48am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        “.. except perhaps the last of them – is “No””
        In Western Europe, do “those immigrants”
        – Control key infrastructure?
        Bombing will do that
        – Control the means of production?
        – Produce essential goods and services?
        They will, by violence, control it.
        – Add money to the nation’s coffers?
        Unemployment and criminal damage has a negative impact.
        – Control the police, military and other security forces?
        Force the police etc to control their violence and therefore NOT other crime.
        – Are identifiable from the native population?
        YES, more than the above answers.
        
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        April 26, 2019 10:03am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        The power to hold to ransom only works if people are fearful of the terrorists.
        Once the people actually decide to solve the problem, the $20 bombs won’t make any difference.
        
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        April 26, 2019 4:00pm
  - srylands
    
    David – these are the rules:
    
    All these people are eligible for permanent residence:
    
    For adults present during the attacks, family includes:
    
    – their partner
    – dependent children
    – parents
    – their partner’s parents.
    
    For children under 25 years old present during the attacks, family includes:
    
    – their parents
    – grandparents, and
    – brothers and sisters.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:27am
    - David Garrett
      
      srylands: thanks for that…I am relieved that there are at least some rules…even if exceptions to them will inevitably be made.
      
      So by a necessarily very rough estimate, we just increased our Muslim population by several hundred thanks to the Australian asshole…
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:33am
      - srylands
        
        Depends on family structures. But if there were (say) 300 people present in the mosques, this definition of eligibility could see the number over 1,000.
        
        I am assuming that to be eligible, you must already be in NZ on a temporary visa. e.g. if you were in the mosque, and your father lives in Pakistan, your father can’t get PR. But if your father was already in NZ, he can stay.
        
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        April 26, 2019 9:41am
      - David Garrett
        
        srylands: I got it wrong – I misread the reference to “those present” during the attacks as victims of them – and your estimate is way too low. Given that there were about 400 people “present during the attacks”, our Muslim population just increased by several thousand…several thousand closer to that tipping point of 5% when Islamist terrorism will happen regularly – unless of course we are somehow completely different to every other western country with a Muslim population of 5%+…and neither our regular left wing idiot nor his mate Stupid boy have ever explained why our experience might be different.
        
        And what’s even scarier is there is presumably no screening of these new immigrants…being a relative of someone present is apparently enough…
        
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        April 26, 2019 10:28am
      - srylands
        
        David – “several thousand” would only be correct if this policy applies to family members outside New Zealand. I am assuming my example holds:
        
        You are in the mosque during the attack. Your father is at home in Avondale with your brother. Result: Brother and Father can get PR. But your OTHER brothers in Pakistan cannot.
        
        If I am wrong about that, then your “several thousand” estimate could be correct. But surely that is not the policy.
        
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        April 26, 2019 11:18am
      - reubee
        
        The alleged gunmen and family etc would also be eligible to apply due to his allegedly being present at the Mosque. From a cursory glance of the application form, he might get unstuck on one or two of the good character questions though.
        
        P.S. Tried to reply further down but didn’t notice that not all comments have two buttons that say REPLY REPORT, but sometimes only have one button that says REPORT, and unintentionally clicked on first button that began REP… , so apologies if that causes any hassle.
        
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        April 26, 2019 12:53pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And Jacinda will act surprised, I won’t be, now that there is no longer a caliphate, people can go home I presume.
    
    Or is a Muslim country a de facto caliphate?
    
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    April 26, 2019 12:51pm
Nukuleka

So is the New Zealand mode of greeting now to go in nose to nose and to hongi? I guess that we are all supposed to follow Jacinda’s example and I have tried to do it with a number of acquaintances since her welcoming of Prince William yesterday. For some reason they have all shied away from me. Can’t imagine why.
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April 26, 2019 8:50am
- David Garrett
  
  Nuku: Perhaps you are not pretty enough! I personally don’t mind the hongi, but I squirm with embarrassment as overseas visitors are “welcomed” with a haka – a bloody war dance FFS.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:00am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maybe the haka is all that NZ has?
    
    The “branding” of this country seems to have quite a Maori hang-up. Can’t we move from the 19th into the 21st centuries?
    
    Deep down, the government wants NZ to have some kind of “unique image” to appeal to the world, while at the same time opening the floodgates to allow immigrants to bring their own identities in. You can’t have it both ways.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:09am
    - Than
      
      To be fair, New Zealand is not exactly alone in this.
      
      You go to Hawaii, you get all the native Hawaiian traditions (or rather a Hollywood theme park version of them) slammed in your face. Similarly the major tourists destinations in Montana and Wyoming are trying so hard to be cowboy its adorable. Heck, even Australia tries to milk Aboriginal culture for all the tourism dollars they can.
      
      People like to experience different cultures. You don’t draw in tourists with the slogan “we do everything exactly the same as you do at home”.
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:37am
      - Jack5
        
        Nuku, perhaps Jacinderella just wanted to snog William, without the poor bugger being able to back off in front of photographers.
        
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        April 26, 2019 11:13am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      The “branding” of this country seems to have quite a Maori hang-up.
      
      Er, yes. If you think about it real hard, you might figure out what the reason for that is. I wouldn’t have thought it was a tough one, but some people do seem to struggle with any concept that has the word Māori in it.
      
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      April 26, 2019 12:03pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Whereas you seem to struggle with any concept.
        
        This is not a maori country. Those choosing to identify as maori represent approx 15% of our population and many choosing to identify as maori are substantially less than 15% maori.
        
        If you choose to think you come from a maori country you go for it but do not expect me to follow you or even admire you for it because in my mind it makes you like like a desperate idiot.
        
        I am a New Zealander as is my family, we have a culture and it does not manifest itself in high crime activity either.
        
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        April 26, 2019 1:41pm
- alien
  
  so you haven’t been doing it since Princess Diana and charles first came here and were greeted with many Hongi. The only royal member that has been here that I can’t recall having hongi with people would be the Queen.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:03am
  - srylands
    
    Muldoon was PM when Di and Charles first visited. Did he greet Charles with a hongi?
    
    “The only royal member that has been here that I can’t recall having hongi with people …”
    
    Were these “people” pakeha? My recollection is that they hongi with Maori.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Will that woman Ardern ever get to understand appropriate behaviour in public? Hongi is very whakamaori–what royalties are expected?
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:29am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Cultural appropriation!
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps you are using the sanitised, westernised version of hongi.
  https://www.theepochtimes.com/hongi-traditional-greeting-maori_1522522.html
  And remember at tangi/ funerals to share your tears and snot during your hongi.
  Ko roimata, ko hūpē, anake ngā kai utu i ngā patu a aituā
  
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  April 26, 2019 11:51am
- reubee
  
  What about some whakapohane to express your displeasure with someone?
  
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  April 26, 2019 1:00pm
Tom Barker

Odd that the article makes no mention of this telling element of Scruton’s political views (from his Wikipedia entry):
Scruton was criticized in 2002 for having written articles about smoking without disclosing that he was receiving a regular fee from Japan Tobacco International (JTI, formerly R. J. Reynolds).[66] In 1999 he and his wife—as part of their consultancy work for Horshells Farm Enterprises[59][67]—began producing a quarterly briefing paper, The Risk of Freedom Briefing (1999–2007), about the state’s control of risk.[68] Distributed to journalists, the paper included discussions about drugs, alcohol and tobacco, and was sponsored by JTI.[67][69][70] Scruton wrote several articles in defence of smoking around this time, including one for The Times,[71] three for The Wall Street Journal,[72] one for City Journal,[73] and a 65-page pamphlet for the Institute of Economic Affairs, WHO, What, and Why: Trans-national Government, Legitimacy and the World Health Organisation (2000). The latter criticized the World Health Organization’s campaign against smoking, arguing that transnational bodies should not seek to influence domestic legislation because they are not answerable to the electorate.[74]

The Guardian reported in 2002 that Scruton had been writing about these issues while failing to disclose that he was receiving £54,000 a year from JTI.[66] The payments came to light when a September 2001 email from the Scrutons to JTI was leaked to The Guardian. Signed by Scruton’s wife, the email asked the company to increase their £4,500 monthly fee to £5,500, in exchange for which Scruton would “aim to place an article every two months” in The Wall Street Journal, Times, Telegraph, Spectator, Financial Times, Economist, Independent or New Statesman.[75][76][66] Scruton, who said the email had been stolen, replied that he had never concealed his connection with JTI.[67] In response to The Guardian article, The Financial Times ended his contract as a columnist,[77] The Wall Street Journal suspended his contributions,[78][79] and the Institute for Economic Affairs said it would introduce an author-declaration policy.[80] Chatto & Windus withdrew from negotiations for a book, and Birkbeck removed his visiting-professor privileges.[69]
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April 26, 2019 9:02am
- Ed Snack
  
  Which of course is perfectly good reason to edit and totally distort his views (reverse them in fact) in order to generate public opprobrium.
  
  Scruton’s comment was that the current Chinese Government’s policies (social credits maintained with pervasive monitoring) were making the Chinese into identical clones. This was published as Scruton claiming that all Chinese were alike.
  
  That misrepresentation is vile lie and the author of it should be not only sued into penury but imprisoned for criminal libel. It was literally a form of racist hate-crime to make that charge against Scruton, but as it stands the fascists on the left think that such actions are entirely appropriate to attack their perceived enemies. Joseph Goebbels would no doubt have been proud of them.
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:27am
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welcome to 57k, cats and kittens!
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– it’s just hair it’ll grow back
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– my mother cannot have my hair. i get to have control over my body and what it looks like. her words from the last time i buzzed my hair cannot control me
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April 26, 2019 9:03am
Frank Thomas

Keep thinking about seeing all those heavily armed police I saw at the Auckland dawn parade yesterday. It’s so “un New Zealand” to see that sort of thing and, in my opinion, completely over the top and unnecessary. If they were worried about another white supremacist attack you would think an Anzac Day service would be the last place they would target. The police themselves admit they had no intell regarding any attack. If they were worried about anything it would be a revenge Islamist terror attack, but in these PC times they wouldn’t dare publicly admit it.
It seems we have all gone completely paranoid over the actions of one looney “lone wolf” foreigner who saw us as a soft touch. The slogan “This is not us” is true, but not in the was the liberal white hand wringers mean…..
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April 26, 2019 9:09am
- cmm
  
  This is one of those instances when you are supposed to read between the lines.
  
  Of course the only credible threat is an Islamic revenge attack.
  
  But those are very difficult to arrange in NZ.
  
  Lefties have done a lot of work labeling the Christchurch attack as a Christian attack on Muslims. This is a very long bow to pull, but has had a positive impact for us: it reframed this from being a NZ vs Muslims incident to Christians vs Muslim.
  
  Muslims that want to retaliate don’t have to attack NZ. They can just attack the closest Christians they can find. While this shelters us, it exposes other Christians around the world.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:35am
  - mandk
    
    “This is a very long bow to pull”
    
    True.
    
    Islamic terrorists are unafraid of professing that what they do is done in the name of Allah. But I don’t think the Christchurch killer uttered the words of John 14:6, or anything like it.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:46am
    - sooty
      
      So why are they gaurding the mosques?
      Do they keep guns inside and the police shooters are there to stop them getting the guns out?
      Well the ChCh one did not have any or Brenton Tarrent would have been lying on the ground.
      
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      April 26, 2019 10:11am
      - Frank Thomas
        
        The police guarding the mosques is pretty much a PR stunt. I drove past quite a large mosque the other day which had a couple of police officers at the gate just casually chatting to the people there. I drove past again a few hours later and I’m pretty sure it was the same officers and this time they looked pretty bored with nothing to do. How much of the polices precious resources are unnecessarily tied up with this?
        
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        April 26, 2019 10:26am
- David Garrett
  
  Frank T: Of course what the authorities were actually worried about was a revenge Islamist attack…and that will certainly come, and now because of the Aussie dickhead, sooner rather than later. Armed police are now going to become a familiar sight for we New Zealanders…and that also was inevitable, really.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:37am
  - rangitoto
    
    I read that the family of one of the terrorists involved in the Sri Lanka bombings, claimed that he was radicalised while studying in Australia. Seems to be a hotbed of radicalism over there.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:44am
  - Nukuleka
    
    DG: there are serious concerns being expressed within the Muslim community here in Christchurch about young male relatives of those killed by the lunatic Australian wishing to exact revenge. I fear that such understandable resentments will not disappear with the passing of time but are in fact likely to increase. Such young men are not likely to see the lifetime incarceration of Brenton Tarrant as sufficient justice for the loss of their loved ones but, given all the absurd left-wing talk of ‘white nationalism on the rise in NZ’, are far more likely to want to target what they will see as the ‘white nationalists’, that is mainstream non-Muslim NZ society. They will not have been pacified in any way at all by Jacinda’s hijab.
    
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    April 26, 2019 10:28am
    - David Garrett
      
      Nuku: Of course there will be a revenge attack…If my father/mother/brother had been killed by this lunatic, I would want to avenge them in some way too…But since said lunatic is Australian, sadly it will be a case of “any infidel will do” and some group of New Zealanders will pay for Tarrant’s actions, probably those worshiping in a church…
      
      The lefties accuse people like me of seeing all Muslims as being the same…they certainly see us as all the same: we are infidels, unbelievers, lacking in piety…and the Verse of the Sword in the Koran exhorts believers to “kill the infidel, wherever you find him”…guilt or innocence is entirely irrelevant.
      
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      April 26, 2019 11:13am
      - MickMac
        
        DG “Yeah but they won’t believe you”
        It’s frustrating isn’t it?
        
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        April 26, 2019 4:21pm
  - Frank Thomas
    
    I hear what you’re saying David about armed police, however seeing so many cops in one place not just carrying side arms as I expected, but every second one was carrying a bushmaster assault rifle as well was a bit of an eye opener.
    The irony is that this rifle is almost identical to the weapon of choice of that bastard Tarrant.
    
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    April 26, 2019 11:01am
- The King
  
  Steel bollards on the London bridge, bullet proof glass around your monuments like the Eiffel tower, armed police walking the streets.. . these are just small sacrifices to show you diversity is your greatest strength.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:59am
  - MickMac
    
    🙂
    
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    April 26, 2019 4:22pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Maybe ALL the parades could have happened if,
  we had sprinkled many of the locations with fully armed SAS members in the honour guards.
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:12am
  - cas
    
    We had our 11am parade yesterday. A march from the Razza, two police in the march not armed, we had prayers and hymns and a lot of people out ( many with small kids) just enjoying the day. The same as last year. And quite a few eateries on the main street open.
    
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    April 26, 2019 10:35am
- Paulus
  
  I understand that the Police almost specifically defined are not at all very happy about having to tout heavy guns and other loaded arms around their homeplaces but are under orders from the disliked Police Commissioner (aka Ardern).
  The public do not like it at all – remember they gave the massacre-ist a gun licence so are backing away from their lack of competence in this regard.
  
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  April 26, 2019 1:39pm
lastmanstanding

Some random questions.

1. Why arent taxpayers being told the impact on their tax rates and thresholds of the “fix” for so called Climate Change.

2. Is this because;

(a) The impact isnt known so taxpayers are being told to sign up to uncosted policies or;

(b) The impact is known and even the most fervent Climate Change believer would balk if they knew the results.

I think we should be told.
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April 26, 2019 9:24am
- burt
  
  If it was about climate rather than global socialism – they would tell us the cost.
  
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  April 26, 2019 9:36am
- RW Capitalist
  
  1. Why arent taxpayers being told the impact on their tax rates and thresholds of the “fix” for so called Climate Change.
  A: They can’t count that high…or…they want it ALL, to give to the people who will do as they say…ie socialism.
  
  2. Is this because;
  
  (a) The impact isnt known so taxpayers are being told to sign up to uncosted policies or;
  A: Like the rest of CoL policies ($11 bill hole in the budget is real)
  
  (b) The impact is known and even the most fervent Climate Change believer would balk if they knew the results.
  See answer to 1. , they want it ALL.
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:15am
- The Heat
  
  This is an interesting point.
  
  Every Climate Change worrier I’ve met has been middle class and, above all, a posing hypocrite. They act all concerned, they change their lightbulbs, they buy organic carrots but they still consume and holiday like aristocrats.
  
  What happens when you tell them the actual cost of their pose will be a relegation to an impoverished 2nd/3rd world existence?
  
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  April 26, 2019 11:24am
- projectman
  
  The point is that there will be no limit to the cost.
  
  When nothing significant is achieved with the money spent the only recourse is to keep spending more, otherwise they will have to admit it’s all been a colossal waste of time and money.
  
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  April 26, 2019 12:16pm
- MickMac
  
  But lastman this is the most transparent Govt ever!
  It’s true because Jacinda Adhern said so and she’s the PM.
  
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  April 26, 2019 4:23pm
alien

hmmm, so now the shane jones election bribe fund is planning investments with those who are not even seeking them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/112266312/provincial-fund-plan-to-spend-30-million-on-airlines-gets-the-chop
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April 26, 2019 9:38am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Please don’t use words irrelevant to the subject.
  INVESTMENT would intimate some form of financial return for financial input.
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    Koha……..
    
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    April 26, 2019 1:25pm
Yvette

Herald World – A plan to paint a 23 metre mural on a Melbourne silo featuring New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern hugging a Muslim woman after the Christchurch massacre has been met with opposition.
More than 1400 people have signed a change.org petition calling for the project at Brunswick, in Melbourne’s north, to be scrapped.

the headline – Bizarre response to Jacinda mural plan
Really perhaps the idea was a little bizarre to start with.
Jacinda d’Arc next?
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April 26, 2019 9:44am
- sooty
  
  Must go and sign it!
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:13am
- projectman
  
  Jacinda d’Arc. What are you implying?
  
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  April 26, 2019 12:18pm
  - Paulus
    
    Wasn’t Joan D’arc burnt at the stake in Rouen
    by her own people ?
    
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    April 26, 2019 1:42pm
    - kowtow
      
      As I undertstand it , the Church tried her , then handed her over to ze Eengleesh to do the deed.
      
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      April 26, 2019 1:48pm
- Happychappy
  
  As Barry Soper has said David Lange would be turning in his grave after France’s terrorist attack on the Rainbow Warrior and what Jacinda is doing with the French President Emmmaual Macron with ChristChurch Calling.
  
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  April 26, 2019 1:26pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  She may meet a similar fate to that of Joan d’arc; more likely a bonfire of her vanities tho’
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:48pm
srylands

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/charlize-theron-has-revealed-her-child-7-is-transgender/news-story/cad4f4922915202e3a0fd090813e89de

““Yes, I thought she was a boy, too,” the 43-year-old Atomic Blonde star admitted to The Daily Mail.

“Until she looked at me when she was three years old and said, ‘I am not a boy!’”
________
I recall my child telling me he was a cat at 3 years old. But I did not raise him as a cat.

To be honest, I am surprised this is even lawful. Surely in New Zealand this would result in intervention by the state? It is quite different from a 14 year old boy deciding he is transgender. You can’t just say “no”. But you can to a three year old.
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April 26, 2019 9:52am
- Tall Man
  
  Shows why we should ignore these nutjobs.
  
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  April 26, 2019 1:24pm
Maggie Pie

My partner reckoned there was s.f.a on Sky last nite so he went and got a DVD that stared his favorit actor, – ‘Only God Forgives’. Well, what a load of krap! It made me wonder at what age does he become Ryan Goose?
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April 26, 2019 10:39am
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, Maggie.
  
  My partner, perfectly lucid and quite safe to cuddle up to at (most) other times, goes ga-ga over Mr Gosling.
  
  She loves ‘The Notebook’, e.g., and gets most upset when I tell her my preferred ending to the tosh involved:
  
  Allie:
  I can’t choose between the two of you
  Noah:
  No worries. You look the sort who might forget who I am in later life. I’ll find someone else!
  Lon:
  Same, Allie, I’ll cope. I’m going into the SCFSG business. South Carolina Fried Snow Geese, baby!
  
  ‘Titanic’, another fave film of hers, ends (on my planet) as:
  
  Rose:
  Jack, you’re freezing. If only there was enough room on this makeshift raft for you.
  Splash!
  Cut to a shot of Rose, in the water, ample mammaries prominent but getting very cold…
  Jack, now on the raft:
  Oops. It’s okay, Rose, I’m fine now. Right, off to Noo Yawk with that cute cabin boy I bonked after switching your fiancées’ diamond with a fake. We’re gonna be rich, Sebastian!
  
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  April 26, 2019 11:23am
BananaLlama

Government should be very careful when it comes to banning speech on the right of politics. They did this in Europe and it forced the the nationalist right to moderate their rhetoric and de toxify their brand. Now they are winning elections handily as they appeal more to voters from the center and it has the mainstream parties in turmoil.
Interesting side effect i have noticed anyway.
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April 26, 2019 10:42am
- kowtow
  
  There are quite a few elections in Europe coming up. The EU MEP ones will be very interesting to watch .
  If Farage’s Brexit Party gets going the UK ‘s political framework could be in for a huge shake up.
  
  What I see is the so called mainstream establishment ( be it political parties, ngos, media churches etc) has ignored ordinary people’s genuine concerns and they will now pay the price as so called populists do respond. Markels CDU is a good example with the AfD charging through.
  
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  April 26, 2019 11:41am
stoptheboats

I hope Hooton isnt right with his latest prediction on 2020
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12225293

stoptheCoL
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April 26, 2019 11:09am
- rockape
  
  Hooton can predict what he likes, voters will decide and decide on whether the COL has delivered as they promised.
  
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  April 26, 2019 12:11pm
- MrTips
  
  Hooton needs a new whistle. Lol.
  
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  April 26, 2019 12:14pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Hooton is telegraphing a message to someone. In a single breath he is trying to say Ardern has played a blinder over CGT, securing herself future election victories (provided she keeps things stable). And in the same breath she has protected NZF, because it proved he can keep bad policies of the table.
  
  At the same time he says Ardern is incapable of dealing with complex policy debates, so her ability to lead becomes questionable.
  
  A case of an each way bet, on behalf of someone, me thinks.
  
  Equally, Winson’s ability to prevent bad policies impacting NZ’s economy will be laid bare for the lie it is. First up is the cost of the Captain’s choice in providing NZ with clean, green energy, then there will be the Well Being budget, there is the cost of how the govt is going to meet its transport promises to Auckland. All of which are dead rats that both the Greens and NZF will have to swallow. So Hooton is signaling something on behalf of somebody.
  
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  April 26, 2019 2:44pm
softail 1450

LOL, Sleepy Joe biden’s campaign slogan 25/4/19,
and this is no joke “America is coming back like we used to be”.FFUUUUCCCCKKK who is advising this dinosaur ? sounds like it might be DJT, ha,ha,ha,he,he,God save the USA because this fool won’t.
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April 26, 2019 11:26am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Reminds me of the old koot at work that often sneeks up on me and smells my hair.
  He is sooo disgusting 🙁
  
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  April 26, 2019 11:43am
  - MrTips
    
    Maggie, stay away from surgeons!
    
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    April 26, 2019 12:15pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      LOL! Dont mind if its one of the surgeons – this guys just an Orderly thats been there forever.
      
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      April 26, 2019 1:20pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    I wasn’t sniffing i was looking, your husband said you have eyes in the back of your head. Then he called me a cunt.
    
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    April 26, 2019 12:28pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Even when mum first met my partner she said he was a good judge of character.
      
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      April 26, 2019 6:33pm
- alien
  
  sleepy, I thought his offical name was creepy Joe Biden. I’d say his history with girls and woman could damage him, but then again just look at the clintons
  
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  April 26, 2019 11:45am
  - softail 1450
    
    alien ,get with the times alien ,Trump has nick named him “sleepy joe” recently because he went to sleep at an important meeting with some foreign dignitary a couple of weeks ago.
    Trump has more energy then all those democrat hopefuls together.
    
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    April 26, 2019 12:37pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      because he went to sleep at an important meeting with some foreign dignitary
      
      but, but…
      isn’t that what you are meant to do?
      https://melodiejos.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/dscn0004.jpg
      
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      April 26, 2019 2:45pm
Chuck Bird

Simon Bridges will be interviewed by Sean Plunket on Radio Magic at 1 pm.
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April 26, 2019 12:31pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And the fab Katy Hopkins with be on with Ryan Bridge after 3,
  
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  April 26, 2019 1:44pm
hullkiwi

Just when you thought the woke left couldn’t get anymore carried away with themselves hunting for the extreme right (or as they put it the – alt right), they demonstrate they can. With the help of Radio New Zealand they have made an Insight programme on NZ’s extreme right. The programme will go to air after the 8am news on Sunday. A preview advert of the programme was run this morning after the 7am news this morning.

Listening to the preview, it is an appallingly lazy piece of journalism full of contradictions, and it only adds substance to the belief that the woke left are on a McCarthy style witch hunt against right of centre ideologies using the 15th March shooter as the pretext for it all.

The programme piece makes the point that historically these groups have had very small followings in NZ. That when these groups organised marches etc., the counter protests were larger in number (perhaps there is a clue there). That these groups have reformed comprising the same small group of people who then fall out with each other – so it is not surprising the security services have not maintained watching briefs of such organisations.

In an attempt to justify the whole story and lend credibility to their sorry piece of journalism, they:
– interview an academic researcher from Massey University who provides the following nuggets of information:
1. Today, the groups are run by young economically disaffected white men;
2. They use the internet to organize and are found in chat rooms;
3. They are hard to detect;
4. They start up groups at university, but go underground when pressure is put on them by other groups and authorities (eg as happened at Auckland University last year to the European Democratic Club);
5. They are sophisticated and tech savvy; and
6. They are disaffected with the political mainstream.

What a load of contradictory cobblers.
Did anyone think through what they were saying before they went to air with it?

The fundamental question here though, is what is all this hand wringing about extreme right groups all about? Is it, to paint right of centre NZ politics and the National party as extremists?

Equally, in nothing that was broadcast or that I’ve seen has there been any indication that people belonging to such groups have done anything illegal or incited any criminal/violent action.

So what is the end game here? Is it attacking National and painting National as bad?

If it is, we are seeing the left moving into very dangerous politics.
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April 26, 2019 12:39pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  The fundamental question here though, is what is all this hand wringing about extreme right groups all about?
  
  This is just off the top of my head, but I think it might have something to do with the right-wing extremist terrorist attack that killed 50 people last month. You may have heard something about it?
  
  Is it, to paint right of centre NZ politics and the National party as extremists?
  
  Hard to see how that could happen unless the National Party were peddling right-wing extremism. Is there something about the Party that you’re aware of but haven’t told us, to cause you such concern?
  
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  April 26, 2019 3:02pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    PM. He was a lone nut case from Australia. There has been no evidence that he was connected to any group (other than a gun club) in NZ to warrant the McCarthy like witch hunt we have seen from left wing politicians, left wing supporters or the media. Or do you have proof of something else?
    
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    April 26, 2019 4:48pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I suspect that if he were a Muslim terrorist from Australia who’d killed 50 people here, you’d be demanding to know what investigations the government was making of militant Islamists in NZ and highly skeptical of the idea that the terrorist would have had no contact whatsoever with local extremists.
      
      Well, like it or not, the same applies to an Australian right-wing terrorist who comes here and kills 50 people: lots of us want local right-wing extremists investigated and we’re skeptical of the idea that this piece of shit had no contact whatsoever with local fellow pieces of shit.
      
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      April 26, 2019 6:59pm
      - sooty
        
        Will you be investergating the left wing extremists as well or are they all Labour party members?
        
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        April 26, 2019 10:04pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Are you kidding me? NZ’s security services have been monitoring left-wing activists diligently for as long as we’ve had security services. People like Keith Locke or Maire Leadbeater had hefty SIS files. This despite no left-wing extremists turning up and murdering 50 people.
        
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        April 26, 2019 10:59pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        PM, the proof that the shooter was not a terrorist and not connected to any mythical NZ regiht wing extremist group is the following:
        
        1. Nobody took up his challenge and started a war against black/asian immigrants; and
        2. Nobody has publicly clasimed that he or they were aligned and claimed they were responsible for 15th March.
        
        Face it, he was no right wing extremist terrorist. Yes, he subscribes to an ideology that is both extreme and alien to New Zealand. Sadly, he was a nut case, with a gun who regrettably killed 50 people who were going about their legitimate and private business. I repeat, such a sad event is not grounds for the left to start a McCarthy like witch hunt in NZ looking for groups of people that don’t exist.
        
        Finally, contrary to Jacinda’s claim that this type of witch hunt and her campaign against social media to ensure no other New Zealanders will ever lose their lives in such a manner is arrant nonsense. Sadly, as has been evidenced abroad, irrespective of what steps are taken by authorities, you cannot stop a determined terrorist, so Jacinda’s desire is nothing more than hyperbole.
        
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        April 26, 2019 11:08pm
Johnboy

As always…a classic from Norm of the South!! 🙂

Tyrone was having trouble in school. His teacher was always yelling at him, “You’re driving me crazy, Tyrone.

Can’t you learn anything? One day Tyrone’s mother came to school to see how he was doing.

The teacher told her honestly that her son was simply a disaster, getting very low marks, and that she had never

had such an unmotivated and ignorant boy in her entire teaching career.

Tyrone’s mom, shocked at the feedback, withdrew her son from school, moved out of Henderson, and relocated to Otahuhu.

Thirty years later, the teacher was diagnosed with irreversible cardiac disease.

Her doctors all strongly advised her to have open heart surgery, which only one surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic could perform.

Left with no other options, the teacher decided to have the operation, which was remarkably successful.

When she opened her eyes after the surgery the teacher saw the handsome young doctor who headed her surgical team smiling down at her. She wanted to thank him, but could not talk. Her face started to turn blue, she raised her hand, trying to tell him something, but quickly died.

The doctor was shocked, wondering what went wrong so suddenly. When the doctor turned around to leave the room, he saw Tyrone, now a janitor at the Clinic, had unplugged the life-support equipment in order to plug in his vacuum cleaner.

If you thought that Tyrone had become a heart-surgeon, there is a high likelihood that you voted for Jacinda.
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April 26, 2019 12:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One downtick means that someone voted for Jacinda!
  
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  April 26, 2019 3:57pm
- MickMac
  
  Great Joke…
  
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  April 26, 2019 4:19pm
KevO'Brien

Reason deferred to politics?

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2019/04/25/lets-think-about-democracy-and-the-defence-of-it-as-our-leaders-make-their-anzac-day-speeches/#more-2497
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April 26, 2019 12:50pm
dcrown

The Democrats have become the party for foreigners and felons, fact.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/440770-ocasio-cortez-backs-giving-prisoners-voting-rights
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April 26, 2019 1:08pm
- Batman
  
  As much as Cortez annoys me, which is a lot, this is the same debate we have here every so often. If the USA had MMP she would be a Green / Alliance MP rather than a democrat.
  
  Besides, she’s a fringe newbie, it’s not like staid old Nancy is going to back her!
  
  Personally, I think prisoners shouldn’t be allowed to vote once convicted and sentenced. But once they’re released they should be treated like any other citizen with regards to voting rights. That is something that the USA apparently struggles with.
  
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  April 26, 2019 1:16pm
  - Johnboy
    
    If they shot a few more of the bastards (as we should to save money) there would be a lot less to struggle with. 🙂
    
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    April 26, 2019 1:24pm
    - Nermal
      
      Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Deport him, and build a wall, and you’ll never have to feed him again
      
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      April 26, 2019 3:35pm
- Ross12
  
  But in Florida where they already have new law allowing felons to vote most (ie. more than 50%) are registering as Republicans.
  I agree with Batman –no vote while serving time but once released they are like everyone else.
  
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  April 26, 2019 1:38pm
  - MickMac
    
    Though not on parole…….
    
    as they haven’t completed their sentence!
    
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    April 26, 2019 4:17pm
Happychappy

Have you ever heard so much bullshit as Shane Currie talks about Digital Subcriptions being launched of Premier News. Currie said Digital Subscriptions will help support Quality Journalism well into the future.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12225517
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April 26, 2019 3:14pm
- sooty
  
  So he has just admitted that what they have offering up to now is shite!
  
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  April 26, 2019 10:00pm
stinkypete

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/112274005/firearms-taken-from-palmerston-north-police-station

and they want my guns?
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April 26, 2019 3:39pm
- secondcumming
  
  Faaaark! The *perp* looks like he might be a bit of a worry in a tail wind…….
  the Police Commissioner is holding a live press conference at 4:30.
  
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  April 26, 2019 4:20pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    This is a total disgrace. Any Minister of Police with a skerrick of honesty would immediately stand down.
    Imagine a comedy writer submitting such a script to a producer. The producer would argue that the situation portrayed is so ridiculous that there could not be any humour in it.
    But when Stuart Nash is the brains of an outfit, one must expect occurrences such as this happen.
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:06pm
    - sooty
      
      It happened yesterday and they are only telling us now!
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:59pm
- cmm
  
  Apparently only the cops can be trusted with guns.
  
  It seems quite amazing to me that someone just walked into a cop shop and walked out carrying a bunch of guns.
  
  Can’t get much more keystone than that!
  
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  April 26, 2019 4:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear, who could have predicted this?
  
  Terrible to think that our crims are taking advantage of hasty law and Mr Plod’s unpreparedness.
  
  We’ll have to get Big Ears and Noddy onto the case, asap.
  
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  April 26, 2019 5:01pm
  - sooty
    
    Maybe the Keystone cops could help!
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:57pm
- kowtow
  
  Yes , they want the law abidings’ guns ( to keep New Zealanders safe), and in addition to this theft of what were presumably previously safely secured firearms, there’s been two shootings in as many days. .
  
  Hi, I’m from the gubmint and I’m here to help……
  
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  April 26, 2019 5:43pm
- howitis
  
  The cops might want to get on this deal, quickly.
  https://www.1-day.co.nz/products/gun-safe-lockable-8-rifle-green
  Whether you have a gun for sports or hunting, security and safety are paramount when it comes to potentially lethal weapons. Keep your guns safe and secure in a locking safe.
  
  The cabinet keeps the rifles secure and out of reach. It can be bolted down to the floor, wall, or both and comes with a high security locker.
  Features:
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  • 5 way locking system
  • Dual locking/ unlocking capability (locks with electronic keypad & key)
  • Internal locking compartment
  • Red velvet base
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  $279.00 plus $40 delivery North Is.; $60 S.I.
  
  ‘ello ‘ello ‘ello
  Finishes midday Saturday
  Be in quick…….The Burg-boy clearly was!
  
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  April 26, 2019 6:24pm
- simpleton1
  
  “Fast & Furious”
  Fiction or becomes Fact.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
  Truth can be stranger than Fiction.
  
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  April 26, 2019 11:42pm
MrTips

And there you have it folks. Just one example of our media nepotism and conflict of interest all dressed up as fluff. Whilst I wish them well for their child’s birth, the conflict between her job and his, and the tolerance of it, shows how close to corrupt we are. She could never say anything nasty about the CoL, her husband could lose his job!
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April 26, 2019 3:55pm
- secondcumming
  
  And just when you think things couldn’t get any worse Mr Tips…….we hear Jessica will be stepping down as host of Q&A – only to be replaced by *Tame Jack*
  
  And with John Campbell now shifted to 1Ewes….there is no reason to watch that channel at all.
  
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  April 26, 2019 4:43pm
  - alien
    
    campbell has been shifted full time to the tv one morning show, he’s tames replacement
    
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    April 26, 2019 5:12pm
    - sooty
      
      Pity we could not get on in the middle of the night!
      
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      April 26, 2019 9:53pm
- alien
  
  there is no conflict, he is a bodyguard, has no connection to anything political other than he is a body guard. Just as he was for other politicans. and no the Prime Minister can not fire him for a story his partner writes, he’s employed by the NZ police.
  
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  April 26, 2019 5:08pm
Gravelroad

Andrew Dickens on newstalkzb this afternoon made much of the recently announced export receipts from March being the highest monthly amount recorded.
Mr Dickens spun this to indicate that the economy under CoL management is doing just fine.
The exports in question (mostly to China) were – wait for it – dairy, meat and forestry.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind for the Greens and lefties who are so vehemently against these products.
And of course, no credit or appreciation for the people of the land who do the work.
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April 26, 2019 5:03pm
- secondcumming
  
  Met Dickens once at a client *Xmas Party*……strange sort of character. It was over 28c and he turned up wearing a leather bomber-jacket, scarf, cowboy boots and jeans. WTF? 😎
  
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  April 26, 2019 7:07pm
  - sooty
    
    Look at me, look at me! I’m important!
    
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    April 26, 2019 9:51pm
RW Capitalist

Take your pick of cabinet ministers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsRatIMUSu8
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April 26, 2019 5:46pm
RW Capitalist

They won’t get the guns if we change the law….
Really
1st item on TV1 News
11 weapons stolen from Palmerston North police station.
2nd story
Harley Davidson store in North Shore has a shooting.
PSST PSST
Jacinda it’s spelt
INCOMPETENT
or perhaps
INEFFECTUAL.
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April 26, 2019 6:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How many shootings in Auckland this month?
  
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  April 26, 2019 6:39pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Shame to see the guy shot today at the Mt Wellington Harley shop was the recently paroled *Prez of the Killer Beez*….in critical condition.
    
    They say he had been trying to turn his life around….. apparently.
    
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    April 26, 2019 7:29pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Seems it is safer in Prison than out on our streets.
      
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      April 26, 2019 10:13pm
- rangitoto
  
  So the police collect all the guns to arm the crims. Must have been a plan thought up by Ardern.
  
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  April 26, 2019 7:07pm
Hugh Pavletich

Australian house prices plunge by $40,000 from 2017 peak, research shows … Nine Finance

https://finance.nine.com.au/2019/04/26/11/01/property-prices-value-drop-from-peak-corelogic-research-australia-news-finance

Property values across Australia have plunged by more than seven per cent since the 2017 peak as the housing slump deepens.

New CoreLogic research shows dwellings lost $40,590 in value – a 7.4 per cent drop – since October 2017.

But the declines across the combined capital cities are even more stark, with values plummeting 9.2 per cent – or $59,478 – since September 2017. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… The long road back to ‘affordability … where detached housing is 3 times annual household incomes …

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Definition Of An Affordable Housing Market – Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html
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April 26, 2019 10:05pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Bit late Hugh, everyone who wouldn’t have bothered to read your post, has gone to bed.
  
  Better luck tomorrow chap.
  
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  April 26, 2019 11:03pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    The Kiwi dream: city-weary New Zealanders flock to the regions | Eleanor Ainge Roy| Cities | The Guardian
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/apr/24/the-kiwi-dream-city-weary-new-zealanders-flock-to-the-regions
    
    Following years of population and industry decline, places such as Oamaru, pictured, are beginning to grow again.
    
    Michelle Marshall and her husband, Zane, returned to New Zealand after living in London, ready to settle down, buy a house, have a child and live “the Kiwi dream”.
    
    But the young couple quickly realised the Kiwi dream was becoming elusive in Auckland, the country’s largest city. No matter how hard they worked and saved there, their goal of buying a home and starting a family was slipping away.
    
    “We thought it was never going to be possible to buy a home in Auckland,” says Michelle. “We just got so fed up.
    
    “It becomes the topic of every conversation at the BBQ, and between the two of us we became sick of talking about it – we just wanted to do it. So we thought: ‘If you want something to happen, you have to make it happen for yourself.’” … read more via hyperlink above …
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    Access recent Stuff articles
    by
    Joanne Carroll, Jo McCarroll & Catherine Harris
    via 2019 Section – Performance Urban Planning
    
    http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
    
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    April 27, 2019 6:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

Mind your Metaphors
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/apr/26/scientific-journal-snubs-academic-over-sleeping-beauty-metaphor
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