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redeye

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/387556/government-may-not-meet-target-to-add-1800-police-in-three-years

Another target missed.

“But the Minister of Police, Stuart Nash, is unapologetic about offering up a big, aspirational promise, saying they will reach the 1800 mark, sooner or later.

There’s a key word in the government’s coalition agreement when it comes to their promises around the police – strive.”

So not ‘delivery’ then?

“Mr Nash said, as of 1 April, 666 officers had been added to the police force since July 2017, and there are a record number of sworn officers, at 9506.”

As Chris Bishop pointed out – why take the figures from July instead of when they took in November?

Open and transparent pftt.
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April 23, 2019 8:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed; as with housing, they include in their figures Police who were already being trained under a National government.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:16am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Tony yes, Nash wasn’t even apologetic about using statistics that included 1/07/2017 to 5/10/2017, which as far as I can remember was when National were still in government.
    
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    April 23, 2019 10:05am
- mark15
  
  RE
  I think the key word is ‘unapologetic’
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:25am
Happychappy

Another of the Coalition’s promises likely to be broken.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/387556/government-may-not-meet-target-to-add-1800-police-in-three-years
Seem likely that the Election of promises is all it will end up being.
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April 23, 2019 8:09am
- Wired-one
  
  The year of delivery…
  
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  April 23, 2019 10:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I guess everyone is at work.
Beautiful here at Mangawhai, might go for a fish.
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April 23, 2019 8:13am
- ducklin71
  
  Good on you Steve Otto! My family had a bach there for over 20 years. Lovely place.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:28am
Happychappy

This is the problem with the left they want to spend money that is not theirs.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112104069/we-need-a-royal-commission-on-racism
It is inquiries like this that suits the lefts agenda that creates problems and leads to racism.
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April 23, 2019 8:18am
- Rich Prick
  
  No Commission of Inquiry on racism could ever cope with my 97 year old Uncle Jim.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:33am
- hullkiwi
  
  It is not only spend money that is not their’s, but spend money on something that will never have any findings or a conclusion.
  
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  April 23, 2019 10:09am
- The King
  
  This is what you vote for, this is ‘Democracy’ no Democracy can give anything without taking from someone else first. Government is, by its very nature, legalized taking.
  
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  April 23, 2019 11:58am
Paulus Gnome

Yes we are!
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April 23, 2019 8:23am
Maggie Pie

When my partner told me how much he thort I look like Lauren Southern, i started following her on social media. This short vid is worth sharing which has her investigating ‘Human Traffiking’. As my partner sez, “If only we had such intrepid jornalists in this country”

https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/1113237921736187905
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April 23, 2019 8:23am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Maggie – if you haven’t seen it already, look on YouTube where Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux hand Paddy Gower’s ass to him on a plate. Highly entertaining. ?
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:16am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner reckons Paddy wears it as a mask. LoL!!
    
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    April 23, 2019 1:39pm
Inandout

Phil Gifford on Mike Hosking (fill in) says the Crusaders will change their name because it may offend some people. If Mike was at work he would have seriously questioned Phil, but the (fill in) let it go.
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April 23, 2019 8:24am
- Tony Stuart
  
  In case you missed it, the fill in (Mike Yardley) did an editorial piece shortly after 6am where he spoke strongly in favour of there being NO change to the Crusaders’ name.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:18am
- brett68
  
  Gifford is a left wing wanker
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:29am
mjw

How about updating the Curia Public Poll average so that it is accurate? It could be quite misleading for people who fail to read the small print of the now rather elderly date.
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April 23, 2019 8:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  How about starting your own blog, seeing that nothing DPF does seems to satisfy you.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:18am
Brian Marshall

Our finance minister talking to Mike, standing in for Mike on ZB this morning.
About half way through this section.
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/ZB/auckland/2019.04.23-07.30.00-S.mp3

For those into pub trivia, the shortest sentence in the bible also summed up my views on him. “Jesus wept”.
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April 23, 2019 8:30am
- Prince
  
  Dear God that was awful.
  No answers at all.
  74,000 job seekers out of work, 14% increase.
  Incompetence everywhere. Basically it’s all too hard for them. Totally unprepared for government.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:21am
  - softail 1450
    
    Prince , It’s all to do with 9 years of neglect ….
    
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    April 23, 2019 5:57pm
Andrei

So where was J. Ardern’s 2019 Easter message to the Christians of her domain on the occaision of the holiest feast on their calendar?

Nature abhores a vacuum
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April 23, 2019 8:30am
Nigel Kearney

First comment ? (Sadly)
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April 23, 2019 8:32am
- Tall Man
  
  It’s like having a debate via morse code.
  
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  April 23, 2019 8:51am
- Biscuit
  
  Indeed, Nigel.
  
  I miss the immediacy.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:02am
- Andrei
  
  Wrong – it was actually the 11th
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

RNZ runs an apology to the former PM of Kazakhstan.. but can’t even get the spelling of his surname correct in the text (4 times spelt incorrectly)
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/387553/apology-to-akezhan-kazhegeldin
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April 23, 2019 8:39am
- Tall Man
  
  RNZ get something wrong…….
  
  Sorry Maggy, it must be you, the media are never wrong………………….
  
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  April 23, 2019 8:51am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggy, I bet you they never misspell Golly’s name!
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:03am
  - Happychappy
    
    Biscuit will Thursday be the first time you will be supporting Man U. Best of luck in your quest for the title but I think you need a miracle and as much as I don’t want to say this Man U are not good enough to pull off the upset you need.
    
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    April 23, 2019 3:08pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Yes and Yes, Happychappy.
      
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      April 23, 2019 7:20pm
softail 1450

Seriously folks WTF has happened to KB,have they employed Helen Clarke or H2 as moderator?
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April 23, 2019 8:45am
hullkiwi

With the Extinction Rebellion carry on in London, I on Saturday was presented with a perfect example of how dumbed down, unquestioning and filled with propaganda the heads of senior school students are (the current system says these kids are topic academic achievers, I beg to differ, they are product of a sausage machine and not university material). Anyhow, while talking with these kids on the weekend we were “discussing” this latest mob in London, plastic bags and New York banning. The kids thought it was all great and they were saving the plant. Until, I pointed out the failings in their arguments…..

The kids went into melt down, they were like poorly programmed computers that didn’t know what to do next. There first response was to accuse me of being anti-the government and anti the environment. When I then pointed out I was no such thing, but that their actions of using “bags for life” or bleached recycled paper are actually worse for the environment they were left spluttering “buts” like Jacinda.

As I see it there are two problems here, being:
1. Kids more than any time in the past, are taught as though they are sausage meat being pressed through the system, they don’t question the propaganda they are fed and when you do, their world crumbles because they are clueless to know what to do next. That is worrying for the future; and
Secondly, the current “environmental” propaganda is some of the more dangerous cult belief systems we have ever faced. It is a cult built around the belief of “doing right by the environment”, the only obvious way for this to occur according to this current crop of fanatics is by “stopping” whatever we are doing today – which largely equals “destroying capitalism and the neo-liberal model” as they see it. And there you have it, the core values of this “environmental radicals” are anti-establishment, socialist, radicals that we witnessed in the 1970s. Which means, despite all the economic development in the democratic free world in the past 30 years, the extreme radical socialists continue to persist in fomenting their dangerous ideology one way or another.
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April 23, 2019 8:46am
- kowtow
  
  Yes , but look at what a Conservative led gubmint in the UK has done.
  
  ‘Directors should focus solely on maximising shareholder value, Friedman argued.
  
  But this ‘shareholder primacy’ model may now be under serious challenge, according to a 2019 corporate governance trends report from law firm Chapman Tripp.
  
  The report points to two recent developments as evidence of a shift. First, 2018 amendments to the UK Companies’ Act require directors to consider not just the interests of shareholders, but also of employees, suppliers, customers, the community and the environment, when making business decisions.’
  
  The rot has well and truly set.
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1904/S00514/challenging-milton-friedman.htm
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:44am
- Southern Raider
  
  This is summed up in some of the social media shares I’ve seen were prominent people around the globe are liking or resharing tweets that state “only way to save the planet is to completely and utterly destroy all forms of capitalism”
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:47am
  - hullkiwi
    
    SR, I wonder if any of these people have visited the former socialist paradises that were Eastern Europe or the USSR?
    
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    April 23, 2019 10:59am
  - Surely Knott
    
    And closer to home they have put chain link fencing around the Waitakere Ranges. And have 30 council officers in there over the holidays prosecuting people who enter the forest tracks with up to $100,000 fines. Forest Stasi. The Kauri Dieback science gathered in Waitakere is full of holes and highly criticised in independent reviews. But I suspect it’s not about the pta it’s about land control.
    
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    April 23, 2019 4:21pm
  - Jules99
    
    They need training. Capitalism = the free exchange of goods between two willing participants. Can’t have that can we?
    
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    April 23, 2019 5:17pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Need critical thinking skills.
  
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  April 23, 2019 11:57am
  - MickMac
    
    Sadly Rachael
    Many of them have been to university where those skills are supposed to be taught.
    
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    April 23, 2019 12:56pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      We’re not allowed to teach them critical thinking anymore… its all about safe spaces, trigger warnings and “flipped classrooms” [SMH]
      
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      April 23, 2019 2:38pm
- Tall Man
  
  Ain’t the russians awesome…..
  
  http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-02-18-1455829948-6979956-refinery1232312.jpg
  
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  April 23, 2019 8:46pm
godruelf

Whale Oil used to refer to Obama as “The Worlds Greatest Gun Salesman” . The COL appear to be doing their best for the title of “Worlds Greatest VPN Salesmen” . Firstly with censorship now with talk of Social Media controls
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April 23, 2019 8:51am
Tall Man

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/387556/government-may-not-meet-target-to-add-1800-police-in-three-years

Awesome, we now have “aspirational” targets.

So, we have “promises” that are made by ardern when she was a labour leader and they don’t count because she wasn’t prime minister when she made them (according to “what’s in it for wynston” she still isn’t prime minister) and also “promises” that were clearly defined “targets” also don’t count as they were “aspirational”. Excellent…got that NZ…

So basically they are all a bunch of bullshitting liars…right?
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April 23, 2019 8:56am
- MickMac
  
  Tall Man
  I’m not disagreeing with you when you call the Prime Minister a Liar.
  No matter what the Mods might say or do.
  The NZBORA entitles me too.
  
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  April 23, 2019 12:58pm
slightlyrighty

The recent events in Sri Lanka seem to have given me a resigned, “Here we go again” feeling which is very distinct from the deep feelings I had on March 15.

I suspect that I am not alone in this.

What was a national tragedy for this country is almost business as usual in others. Do we, as a Western Country, hold ourselves to a higher set of values? Is that why the Christchurch attacks resonated so deeply with us, while what happened in Sri Lanka, while even more terrible, just cause us to shake our heads and say “So Sad, but what else did you expect?”

We all understand the pain caused by extremist beliefs. Should that pain be any worse or less depending on location? It shouldn’t be. Should that pain be any less based on the faiths of the attacker or the victim? Funny how the mind works in these cases.

We can no longer hide behind the security of distance, but will that change our thinking?
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April 23, 2019 9:00am
- mark15
  
  Doesn’t it enforce the view that there is a certain section of people that are at war with another section of people?
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:28am
- SGA
  
  What was a national tragedy for this country is almost business as usual in others. Do we, as a Western Country, hold ourselves to a
  higher set of values? Is that why the Christchurch attacks resonated so deeply with us, while what happened in Sri Lanka, while even more terrible, just cause us to shake our heads and say “So Sad, but what else did you expect?”
  
  I don’t know. I guess the best(?) example from a Western country would be the UK (Nth Ireland, in particular) during the height of the “Troubles”. Did we become a bit more inured to that violence because of its regularity? Perhaps.
  The Chch massacres may stand out, both here and abroad, because such events are so rare and unexpected in places like NZ.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:39am
  - Jules99
    
    While I obvious was shocked at the events in Christchurch, I don’t think I was as upset as some kiwis partly because I lived in London during the ‘troubles’ and developed some mental hardness around the risk. I was also in London during the 7/7 bombings, although fortunately not directly affected. You somehow block out the risk because life has to go on. I remember a friend telling me that she went on holiday with a bunch of very old ladies and they were hit by the Tsunami in Sri Lanka. Having survived the blitz, they coped marvellously.
    
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    April 23, 2019 5:23pm
- Southern Raider
  
  The root of the problem is western nations accepting radical beliefs which are at complete odds with modern life and turning a blind eye to constant conflicts like this.
  
  Until a western leader stands up to be counted and says “people of all faiths are welcome here, but we are a modern civilisation that celebrates life under one rule of law, so fit in or fuck off” nothing will change.
  
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  April 23, 2019 10:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well here’s an ex-Leader saying exactly that:
    
    Mr Blair said that for migrants, there is a ‘duty to integrate, to accept the rules, laws and norms of our society that all British people hold in common and share’.
    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair-migrants-integrate-uk-society/
    
    But some folks think he should shut up.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/22/tony-blair-no-self-awareness-stop-talking-now
    
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    April 23, 2019 1:36pm
    - ducklin71
      
      With Mohammed being the most popular boys name in England apparently, looks like it’s whitey who has to assimilate. They should have stayed out of the EU and shut their gates to the 3rd world freeloaders. They will never make your country a better place.
      
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      April 23, 2019 2:17pm
- MickMac
  
  Slightly
  
  The People in Nigeria, Pakistan, Sri Lanka et all suffering great loss and grief from Violence against them, are just the same as us Kiwis. There is no difference.
  
  Husbands and Wives, Fathers and Mothers Brothers and Sisters, Cousins, Uncles and Aunts.
  All of them have lost so much.
  
  As have the Muslims in CCH who have lost same and are devastated Just like those in Sri Lanka and other places, we are all humans.
  But CCH was right here not some distance away.
  
  What makes it harder for Christians is that as a community, they don’t go around blowing themselves up, to kill non Christians all around the world.
  
  Note: according to his writing, Mr Tarrant wasn’t a christian, just a first class shit, who sadly won’t get the death penalty in NZ for murdering 50 people.
  
  I think at a Human level we can be all the same.
  
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  April 23, 2019 1:09pm
Captain Mainwaring

Does anyone know why Saint Jacinda was missing in action this morning?
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April 23, 2019 9:27am
- lofty
  
  Just be thankful for small mercy’s.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:50am
- Sacha
  
  She’s on domestic leave until Thursday, when she will front up with Royalty at ANZAC functions.
  
  @ 10.08
  
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  April 23, 2019 10:08am
- tf78
  
  She’s probably still trying to find all the Easter eggs hidden around HER garden at Premier house.
  
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  April 23, 2019 10:16am
softail 1450

slightlyrighty, to think in 2019 when we have the knowledge to land a space craft on a piece of rock 700 meters wide travelling at 50,000 kmph millions of kilometres away the worlds peace is continually threatened by religions that have no more factual standing than our Maori people’s beliefs in Taniwha and maui’s catching of the country on a bone hook fishing line .
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April 23, 2019 9:31am
- Batman
  
  Well the legends of Maui and Kupe et al are just that, legends.
  
  Legend stories aren’t really considered to be hard news are they? ?
  
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  April 23, 2019 10:37am
Southern Raider

300 dead including multiple children and most likely many more likely due to the massive number with severe injuries

What’s our papers lead story?

Some muppets in Melbourne crowdfunding to have a mural of Jacinda painted on a massive silo in the dock area
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April 23, 2019 9:49am
MrTips

One notes EAD, Reality Czech and other anti-Semitic contributors have disappeared from KB since mod changes.

Don’t miss them but do ponder their relationship to recent events.
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April 23, 2019 9:49am
secondcumming

Why does Barry have so much trouble calling *Christians*……..Christians?

What the fuck are “Easter worshippers” ??

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1119964696810070017
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April 23, 2019 9:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ancient druids?
  
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  April 23, 2019 12:06pm
- MickMac
  
  He’s a Muslim hiding in plain site, doesn’t want the sound bites to be stored….
  
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  April 23, 2019 1:11pm
Andrei

A couple of years ago I bought a Samsung Galaxy S8 – it was an improvement on the S6 I had before.

But I have never been tempted to upgrade to the S9 or S10 – the improvements are just not worth the cost

It is a problem for the phone makers – where do they go from here. Sales of phones have declined because the current models do far more than virtually anyone needs

So Samsung came up with the Galaxy Fold, that can be unfolded into a small tablet

Alas this is a $2000 USD device which has proved to be very fragile, is not water proof and buggy

After several prelaunch reviewers had their devices crap out on them in a matter of days Samsung has delayed the launch indefinetly

As for my S8 – after 2.5 years of use there are the first signs of the battery loosing its ability to hold charge, not significant enough yet to be a problem but a sign of things to come – but when it is time for replacement in a year or so I guess a non flagship phone will almost certainly match its specs and be cheaper than whatever new flagship models are on the market.

But what I am sure of an expensive phone that folds into a small tablet is just something I do not need – especially if for the same money I could buy a phone and a high end laptop
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April 23, 2019 10:05am
- alien
  
  i do think the midrange phones are just as good.
  
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  April 23, 2019 11:11am
  - Andrei
    
    Depends what you use them for
    
    If you use them to monitor your home security, control your heating and lighting and in the car for navigation etc – especially through the cars entertainment system then a high end phone works better because it is far more responsive
    
    But if you want it for, well, making phone calls then a cheap one from the warehouse will do just fine
    
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    April 23, 2019 11:55am
  - Ruahine
    
    Check out the Huawei mid-range models. Some have specs almost comparable with a Samsung S9. Half the price.
    
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    April 23, 2019 4:19pm
  - insider
    
    I’ve switched to a Nokia with Android One operating system. It’s centrally managed by Google, like windows and iOS, so updates are regular and none of the bloated manufacturer apps or software congesting the phone or suddenly unsupported. Long battery life and good screen size and quality. Well Under $400 on a sale day.
    
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    April 23, 2019 4:53pm
    - alien
      
      Android one is what I plan to move to next, just haven’t decided yet on Nokia or Motorola
      
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      April 23, 2019 8:02pm
- Cobolt24
  
  My mother is still using her low-end (but, still a smartphone) Samsung from 2012. My current one is a mid-range Huawei from 2016 and I’ll be keeping it for a good few years to come, I’m not an intensive user, mostly just radio, checking up on news and texting when I need it.
  
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  April 23, 2019 11:32am
  - alien
    
    my last phone was a huawei, thankfully because of their customer supports constant lying, their inability to release patches for the phone was able to get a full refund of them under the CGA. Never touch them again.
    
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    April 23, 2019 11:52am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And you do realize they had you under surveillance the entire time dont you alien?
      
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      April 23, 2019 1:43pm
      - alien
        
        Lol, no more than google, or microsoft
        
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        April 23, 2019 8:03pm
    - softail 1450
      
      alien ,anything out of that country is stolen crap that has been degraded by their manufacturing processes, anybody that puts anything out of that dump into their mouths is a nutter.
      Meanwhile I’ll bet dog shit to doughnuts Jacinda is going to allow them to set up our 5G networks,anybody care to take that bet?
      
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      April 23, 2019 1:45pm
      - alien
        
        Same can be said about so many countries, and let’s be honest apple and android are always copying each other, the android manufacturers are copying and stealing from each other. But alas back to China. Depends on what you buy, China does make some quality goods, but too often the retailers that go over and buy go for the cheap crap.
        
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        April 23, 2019 8:19pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  There was a huge effort by smart phone makers/marketers to turn ‘thinness’ into a virtue, as that enabled them to excuse greater fragility and limited battery life and non battery replacability as the required cost of all-important thinness to drive shorter phone life and so pump up their sales.
  
  This is of course horseshit. Add 4mm to a current flagship 8mm thick phone to make it same 12mm as original iphone and they would be no less convenient to use, but the screen would be near impossible to break and the battery would last for 2 days/5 year life and battery could be replaceable and the camera would be a shit load better too (bigger aperture etc).
  
  If enough consumers demanded such features some manufacturers would provide it.
  
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  April 23, 2019 12:50pm
  - Andrei
    
    They do – the Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 is an example that is easily obtainable, but there are better ones if that is what you want.
    
    They don’t match the performance of the flagships but then again they don’t cost as much.
    
    And they are not big sellers
    
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    April 23, 2019 1:25pm
rightoverlabour

On You Stupid Boy https://ysb.co.nz/ a poster by the name of Fairydust explains.

Quote: “Jacinda, like me is having a well earned break away from all you alt right critics. She has had a hard time since March 15 supporting the survivors and their families. I wish her well.”

So there you have it. All you Alt Right Critics. Be nice to Cindy, now…
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April 23, 2019 10:08am
- Gravelroad
  
  Fairydust is a troll – foldyroll – living under a red bridge.
  
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  April 23, 2019 10:44am
- The King
  
  Not Marxism
  Not Immigration
  Not Bad policy
  Not Government
  Not Lobbyists
  Not special interest donors.
  
  You know who’s to blame right?
  
  The Alt-Right.
  
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  April 23, 2019 12:26pm
skyblue

Real cool non PC T shirt for sale. Based on LGBTL

https://www.wthr.com/article/kentucky-bbq-business-getting-heat-lgbtq-shirts
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April 23, 2019 10:09am
- ducklin71
  
  I’m buying one. I also want a custom t-shirt with “Infidel” and another with “Extreme climate denier”. Anything to provoke a leftie. I’ll wear ’em proud along with my NRA hat.
  
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  April 23, 2019 2:28pm
burt

Any news on the sexual predator who was protected by the Labour Party having their day in court?

Or have the charges been silently dropped and the victims convinced ( again ) to ignore the sexual assaults?
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April 23, 2019 10:21am
- Batman
  
  Court processes take time. For a case like this it wouldn’t be unusual to take up to 12 or 18 months to get to trial.
  
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  April 23, 2019 10:27am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It’s already been about 15 months.
    
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    April 23, 2019 10:42am
    - alien
      
      and when it was meant to go to court it was delayed because of the shooting. So then they have to reschdule all the cases around NZ that were postponed.
      
      The media have never covered up this story and have always reported on it when there has been something to report.
      
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      April 23, 2019 11:06am
      - namron
        
        Alien – you seem to know more than anyone else about this trial and showing little support for it to take place!
        Where and when have you ever seen or heard any report about this it? There has been nothing in the media since this last one –
        “LABOUR PARTY YOUTH CAMP trial.”
        “On 12 Sept 2018, 2 charges were withdrawn but the 4 remaining charges were to go to Court on Mon 18 March.”
        As the Captain mentions above – it is now 15 months since the Camp and it fairly obvious that the Labour Party would be welcoming a long delay so it might be forgotten!
        Alien – make them aware that it hasn’t been forgotten.
        
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        April 23, 2019 2:13pm
      - alien
        
        Namron, it was on one of the radio news
        
        After the shooting the news said on the radio that a number of court buildings around the country were closed because of the shooting, it also mentioned that this was one of the cases that had been postponed because of the court being closed because of the shooting.
        
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        April 23, 2019 2:45pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Justice delayed is justice denied. Even 3 months is too long for most summary criminal offences.
    
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    April 23, 2019 12:03pm
- freethinker
  
  Wrote to North Shore District court for information but I understand the courts are having an extra day off and still waiting for a reply, will post their response when received and if not will issue an OIA request and possibly a written question in the house through my local MP.
  
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  April 23, 2019 11:19am
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    of course your local MP will not ask such a question because they are not allowed to ask questions on something before the courts.
    
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    April 23, 2019 12:00pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Obviously it isn’t currently before the courts….
      
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      April 23, 2019 8:00pm
- insider
  
  Someone on here last week said it’s now happening in July
  
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  April 23, 2019 4:47pm
Maggie Pie

My partnwer was just listening to 1ZB and heard Paul Buchanan say “that planning would have been well underway for the Sri Lankin terrorist attacks well before the mosque shootings in Christchurch”.
How would he know that? Should he be on a watch list?? 🙁
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April 23, 2019 11:13am
- alien
  
  maybe because it makes sense that they had warnings two weeks ago that there were going ot be attacks and it would of taken time to organize so it would of been before the christchurch shootings that planning was taking place
  
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  April 23, 2019 12:05pm
- MickMac
  
  maggie
  That’s a stupid comment, pull your head in.
  
  Just use your common sense.
  
  a multi stage, timed assault needs surveillance, timings, logistics and command and control worked out before any dry runs and practice.
  
  Buchanon would know that, I’m sorry you don’t.
  
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  April 23, 2019 1:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No need to get nasty at ME Micky! It was my partner that asked the questions, silly 🙁
    
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    April 23, 2019 1:49pm
- insider
  
  He probably watched Greg Sheridan say exactly bthe same on the Bolt Report last night.
  
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  April 23, 2019 4:48pm
howitis

Can anyone explain why a person would go to the Aussie owned Countdown instead of the NZ owned Foodstuffs outlets like New World or Pak’n save?

There is a Countdown 400m from my house and a Pak n save 4 km away.
I go to the NZ owned Pak n Save.
I stopped with the dreadful Countdown 4 plus years ago.
They are soooo sloooow at checkout- like 20 minutes to even be served.
Now they don’t provide bags it must be like ‘no Pak and No Save’.

Even when I went on weekends years ago less than half the checkouts were open.
There is not enough car parking and what there is, it is so narrow you get your car door bashed;
They don’t even sell mesclun or any fresh green leaves (at the Mt Eden dump) only packaged salads/chopped up/processed with gunky bags of goo called mayonnaise or something- if they had plastic bags, the bags would taste bedda;
The self service checkouts crap out much of the time and jam up after 4 items;
if you wanted one bottle of wine you still have to wait for one overworked person to come to you who then has to call the approved booze overlord;
and I didn’t get a university degree to become a checkout chick.
They will post a discount price on a shelf but charge a higher (normal) price at the checkout. I guess the method there is you have waited so long to get to pay for it, if you notice you will just move on.
This would be on about 2 out of 10 items and I guess the method is that if you notice YOU will look like a dick for whining in front of people who are also waiting for ages.
Cunning that Aussie Criminal Class.

Countdown/Foodtown/Progressive(sic) are the bunch from the criminal colony who opposed the building of a Pak n save in Wairau Rd for 20 years – on frivolous grounds and eventually it was built.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-shore-times/334197/Court-battle-set-for-Pak-nSave
The Aussies were able to play the dreadful RMA to harass their locally owned opposition.

The Countdown/Foodstuffs on Dominion Rd/Eden Qtr had car park approval for a certain number of carparks when opened in 2001 then a few years in, they leased out a whole lot of car parks so if you get caught in a leased park right outside their store, the car gets towed and $220 and a $taxi ride later you get reunited with your car.

They want to track all your purchases by having you present a card to get ‘special prices’ (yeah right) whereas New World gave up that gimmick years ago and Pak n save just get on with it.
The foreign owned Countdown outfit won’t give you a discount (off already high prices-same as Kathmandu game) unless you forfeit your privacy.
For this you pay a premium of 20-25% over Pak n save prices.
Now they don’t have plastic bags why would it be any bedda than Pak’n save?
I was in Pak’n Save in Rotorua last month. That place had everything!

Since Ted Van Arkel left in 2005 Countdown/Foodtown is now what President Donald J. Trump would call a $hithole.
I am curious.
I have no association with either chain.
With no single advantage over the NZ owned Foodstuff stores, higher prices, slowness, limited parking, and many shortfalls why do people go to Countdown?
signed, Curious of Mt Eden.
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April 23, 2019 11:57am
- jcuk
  
  As an older person who finds supermarkets dreadful to walk around and enjoyed the idea of home delivery I am rather p’d off with Countdown which so far frequently miss items or this week substitute and I am sure, quite sure thatt he items would be there for a foot customer. Items ordered from the website which has not been updated to match stock.
  Then items not on website which I know are in the store as I used to buy them.
  If only one of the other stores would provide home delivery .. at $13 per delivery surely they make oudles?
  
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  April 23, 2019 12:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What is really good fun, is if you cant find something your looking for in Countdown, just ask one of the staff that you see picking an online-order for somebody “where you would find such n’ such?”
    Honestly, they havent got a bloody cloo and look at you like your from another planet or something!
    
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    April 23, 2019 1:06pm
  - Fletch
    
    Also, I think if the amount you spend is over $50, they do click and collect for free – you just go pick it up.
    
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    April 23, 2019 2:08pm
  - Jules99
    
    My New World does it but I’m pissed off they charge $1 for paper bags. I checked out PnS the other day and they had hardly any products. If PnS can up their game I’m switching. It does depend on how good your local store is. You could find a better store, go for Click and collect which is free over $50 at Countdown.
    
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    April 23, 2019 5:31pm
- alien
  
  prices depend on what sales are going on, they can be cheaper than pak n save on a lot of things. But alas why shouldn’t people have a choice of where to shop? Countdown employs 18,000 people in NZ, thank goodness for those people that people use countdown.
  
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  April 23, 2019 12:19pm
  - softail 1450
    
    alien ,do pak & save employ non NZrs?
    
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    April 23, 2019 5:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I go there because their grog and fish costs so much more, you have to park in the rain and each of their departments has a big sign in Maori.
  /sarc/
  
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  April 23, 2019 12:46pm
Rachael Membery

Need critical thinking skills.
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April 23, 2019 11:58am
Maggie Pie

We were just having our lunch and i asked my partner something he didnt know. What is that little ‘plastic button’ for thats attached to the inside of a bag of ground coffee?
I said i bet someone here will have the answer 🙂
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April 23, 2019 12:16pm
- Swifty
  
  Pushing it opens a portal to other worlds – I thought everyone’s partner knew that?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISw7muxNCE
  
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  April 23, 2019 12:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WOW! thanks sooo much for the link Switfy! I had no idea it was for ‘freshness’ – can hardly wait till my partner gets back home so i can tell him something for a change 🙂
    
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    April 23, 2019 12:57pm
- Jules99
  
  Odd thing is, I never saw these in the UK when I lived there.
  
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  April 23, 2019 5:33pm
The Heat

Is there anything this government is responsible for?

Apparently, Labour utterly failing to live up to their own promises is due to….boomers:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/23-04-2019/cgt-was-icing-on-a-massive-cake-five-key-triumphs-in-boomers-blessed-lives/

No, it isn’t. The government COULD have passed a CGT. They could have done a deal, like they’ve done other deals with NZFirst.

They didn’t.

It’s no use blaming some in the the electorate. The PM and Finance Minister weren’t selling it. And if they weren’t selling it, then who, exactly, would be buying?
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April 23, 2019 12:26pm
Swifty

Time and time and time again lately I’ve seen people living here refer to Islam as meaning ‘peace’ – the mosque Imans on tv when being interviewed about CHC, the blokes who run the Islam stall at the Avondale market and many others and now again today Ruby Usman in Stuff:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112204261/to-say-or-not-to-say-the-pitfalls-of-islamophobia

Now I don’t know whether Ruby is merely misinformed or is trying to mislead us (but I suspect the former given some of her other writings) but the literal and most used and most widely understood translation of ‘Islam’ in Arabic is ‘submission (to God)’, ‘obedience’ or ‘surrender (to God)’ – just as Muslim in Arabic translates to “submitter to God” or “one who surrenders”.

I can link to (Saudi-funded) source after source after source fort this – but I don’t have the time today. But here’s one as but one example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

While I try to be charitable, I must say that the more I see and hear this PR-spin the more I think it is an outright deception.
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April 23, 2019 12:58pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Swifty – I have a Muslim friend. He knows that my wife and I are Christians, and none of us allow that to affect our friendship.
  
  To categorise all Muslims as extremists wanting to destroy western civilisation is patently absurd; as absurd as it would be to judge all Christians by the proclamations of Brian Tamaki or those at the Westboro Baptist Church.
  
  My parents taught me to take people as I found them, and that’s been the way I have lived for 60-plus years. There are radicals in every religion, organisation and even political party (and the Green Party seems to attract more than its share). Keep trying to be charitable.
  
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  April 23, 2019 1:09pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks KS.
    
    Yes, I totally agree. I do my best to never slander a group with the actions of individuals within that group however I must admit I do, here, sometimes call out ‘lefties’ as a group and holding common characteristics and behaviours 🙂 – but I know it’s wrong to do so.
    
    I know too that there are many Muslims in our community that regard as precious the freedoms and benefits that a largely secular NZ offers and these are NZers who our society should hold close.
    
    I just don’t like being lied to or misled. Doesn’t matter who is doing it. And I can’t stand Islam. I loathe it – for the net of control it has sought and still seeks to throw over people.
    
    I just wish people would talk truthfully about it.
    
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    April 23, 2019 1:31pm
- MickMac
  
  Swifty
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  April 23, 2019 1:20pm
Fletch

Our govt leading a “crackdown” in the regulation of social media. Doesn’t sound promising…..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12224140

And funny how the gunman’s video has appeared like magic just when they are talking about the crackdown.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12224469

Funny how that works.
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April 23, 2019 1:08pm
JB.49

The farce goes on
“Paintings of Jacinda Ardern to feature on Melbourne skyline”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12224516
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April 23, 2019 1:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  Sad isn’t it?
  
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  April 23, 2019 7:45pm
Hugh Pavletich

… AUSTRALIA …

Desperate developers triple incentives to clear stock – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/04/desperate-developers-triple-incentives-clear-stock/

By Leith van Onselen

As stalled developments mushroom across the east coast amid the surge in completions:

(graph … illustrating gross over – supply)

The AFR reports that desperate developers have more than triple sales commissions for agents:

… concluding …

… The worst is still to come as newly completed apartments flood the market. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Earlier related KB GD posts …

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/04/cgt_announcement.html/comment-page-1?unapproved=2476248&moderation-hash=641cf2184af1b504bbc3a7e0ecbedda2#comment-2476248

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/04/general_debate_15_april_2019.html/comment-page-1?unapproved=2474867&moderation-hash=641889f14998397c14532d05b14846d9#comment-2474867
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April 23, 2019 1:44pm
- secondcumming
  
  Interesting stuff Hugh. Do you have any idea on the current situation surrounding Sysdney’s *Opal Towers* fiasco? Not seen much about it for the last couple of months……
  
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  April 23, 2019 2:01pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Secondcumming … No I don’t.
    
    Even if it is technically ‘fixable’ … I am not confident market confidence in it is.
    
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    April 23, 2019 3:05pm
    - secondcumming
      
      Yes, it’s all gone very quiet. A friend of my father in-law bought a prestigious downtown apartment off the plans here in Auckland….paid high 3’s. Turns out it’s the same developer responsible for Opal.
      
      He’s been trying to sell it for the last few months at a *substantial* discount. Still no bites.
      
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      April 23, 2019 3:21pm
Fletch

Arthur Laffer, who famously came up with the Laffer curve, on economics and Trump –

“The president understands very well the role of lower tax rates create incentives to increase output and economic production,” he determined. “The tax bill was a classic example of it, not only cutting the statutory rate from 35 to 21, but 100 percent expensing of capital purchases, [and] territoriality instead of a global tax system. All that stuff is just really, really great.”

“Deregulation is really good for the American economy, as well,” continued Laffer. “On all this stuff, [Donald Trump] has just done a great job. All the deregulation — from energy to all sorts of other things — across the board … it is really important to the prosperity of the U.S. economy.”

“The great recession was caused by the prospects of Obama becoming president, and that is exactly what happened and had a horrible economy. So I think this election in 2020 is really, really, really important, and so far I don’t see a Democrat — now, I’ve voted Democrat half the time, I’m a Clinton Democrat, I’m a Kennedy Democrat, I’m a Reagan Republican, and I’m a Trump Republican — when I see this, I don’t see a Democrat who would be pro-growth and lead to more prosperity. I would be very worried about the U.S. economy if Trump were to be defeated and if Republicans didn’t pick up the House and the Senate.”

“[A Bernie Sanders presidency] would crush the economy,” concluded Laffer. “People don’t work to pay taxes. They work to get what they can after tax, and it’s that very personal incentive that motivates people to apply that extra little bit to make a little bit more, to develop a little bit more, to hire a few more. When you raise that tax rate, it has been demonstrably shown it causes real hardships in the economy. Bernie Sanders’ ideas are just plain wrong. I’d love to debate him on it anytime.”

https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/04/22/exclusive-art-laffer-explains-why-usa-thriving-with-maga-economicschallenges-socialist-sanders-to-debate/

He talks about trade with foreign countries in the interview, as well….
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April 23, 2019 2:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump will win 2020. He sells what the people want, and he is good at it. Sanders just promises free shit, and this time Trump will call him out on where the money will come from. Trump knows a little about money and economics – the socialists have no fucking idea.
  Sorry, off topic a bit.
  
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  April 23, 2019 3:06pm
All_on_Red

Buy a Tesla
They’re really safe
https://mobile.twitter.com/bertelschmitt/status/1120146058166685697
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April 23, 2019 2:30pm
- Inandout
  
  OMG, imagine if a baby was in the car.
  
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  April 23, 2019 3:27pm
secondcumming

Went for a drive yesterday out to *Hobsonville Point* for lunch at some joint called the Hanger. Haven’t been out that way for a number of years. They’ve certainly done a brilliant job of the motorway …..although GPS is a must.

Couldn’t believe the size and scale of the new ‘housing’ development going on out there. Thousands of shoe-boxes all sitting atop each other. Each has a road facing balcony, on street parking, and obviously come in any color you want….. so long as it’s brown. The beauty is there’s no grass to mow or gardens to attend.

Will be interested to go out that way for lunch again in about 10 years… to see what’s happening.
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April 23, 2019 3:08pm
- burt
  
  Little boxes on the hillside
  Little boxes made of ticky-tacky
  Little boxes on the hillside
  Little boxes all the same
  There’s a ~~green~~ brown one and a ~~pink~~ brownone
  And a ~~blue~~ brown one and a ~~yellow~~ brown one
  And they’re all made out of ticky-tacky
  And they all look just the same
  And the people in the houses
  All went to the university
  Where they were put in boxes
  And they came out all the same
  And there’s doctors and lawyers
  And business executives
  And they’re all made out of ticky-tacky
  And they all look just the same
  And they all play on the golf course
  And drink their martinis dry
  And they all have pretty children
  And the children go to school
  And the children go to summer camp
  And then to the university
  Where they are put in boxes
  And they come out all the same
  And the boys go into business
  And marry and raise a family
  In boxes made of ticky-tacky
  And they all look just the same
  There’s a ~~pink~~ brown one and a ~~green~~ brownone
  And a ~~blue~~ brown one and a ~~yellow~~ brown one
  And they’re all made out of ticky-tacky
  And they all look just the same
  
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  April 23, 2019 3:16pm
  - secondcumming
    
    *BOL* ….couldn’t have put it better myself burt.
    
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    April 23, 2019 3:52pm
- softail 1450
  
  swifty ,so thats where all the COL must go for their ideas…..
  
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  April 23, 2019 5:35pm
Poppa

If you are reading this Keeping Stock, I hope you are okay out there. I miss your informed comments on this blog
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April 23, 2019 3:25pm
- Swifty
  
  KS still comments here.
  
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  April 23, 2019 3:40pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Still here Poppa; just posting under my actual name now to avoid the moderation queue. Thanks for your kind words 😀
  
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  April 23, 2019 3:44pm
noskire

The aviation buffs that lurk here have probably seen this already – stunning view from the cockpit of an A320 landing in Queenstown. Turn the volume down if you don’t like Coldplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mxmFCw-Dig
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April 23, 2019 3:33pm
Pharmachick

I wish to thank David Farrar for hosting a great blog for many years.

I have dropped in and out of this blog in the commenting section for nigh on a decade.

I have been grateful for the community of commenters that don’t always espouse politically correct or even politically moderate positions. Sunlight is a great disinfectant and I used to find Kiwkblog a pretty good place to hear and be heard… of course there has been rough and tumble in the comments and certainly there have been commenters that pushed boundaries. I believe that I have seldom (but not never) been one of those pushing boundaries – we all get riled up occasionally.

Much like Whaleoil did a few years ago, Kiwiblog has now jumped the shark. As opposed to my “banning” by the Mods on Whaleoil, which caused me to not go back (and that was rather *surprisingly* easy), this new paradigm on Kiwiblog compels me to leave. I understand Mr. Farrar’s desire not to be sued etc. but by implementing moderation in this way, the website is no longer a place to exchange ideas freely. The moderation makes any type of conversation impossible.

Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish…

The non-entity formerly known as Pharmachick
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April 23, 2019 3:57pm
- Rich Prick
  
  This is the new age of the Millennials being in charge. I intend to go the way of my 97 year old uncle and offend the petals who have cooked up this environment and offend them in every way possible. Let’s face it, that’s a pretty easy job.
  
  You should stick about for the fun.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:40pm
Happychappy

Just a question on Labour and their advertising in Chinese Newspapers around the country, I wonder how many of them have one third of a page advertisements in them like the Waikato one authorized by Raymond Hou MP. It seems that National are or were not the only ones interested in Chinese good will.
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April 23, 2019 4:31pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112217309/five-people-treated-in-auckland-after-being-swarmed-by-bees

Alternative ( and probably more accurate ) headline:
“Five thieving ferals stung by bees after trying to steal hive”.
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April 23, 2019 4:58pm
- softail 1450
  
  greybeard,these dumb F—-Ks have learnt a valuable lesson ,bees aren’t like their police liaison officers,they dont give a shit about PC nonsense,try take their stuff and they will bypass the court system and pass sentence on the spot,????LOL…..
  
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  April 24, 2019 4:37am
greybeard

I have in my possession a copy of A.H. Reed’s book “The Story of the Kauri”, published in 1953.
A true gem of a book, every NZ home should have one.

A couple of extracts from it may be interesting to Kiwiblog readers.

On page 23, ( and I paraphrase here ) “ in 1874 during street excavations in Auckland, at a depth of 25 feet after digging through volcanic debris, the stumps and roots of a kauri tree were discovered, and these showed signs of having been cut by a tool. As there appears to be no maori tradition of volcanic activity in the Auckland region , could it be assumed that it was once the dwelling-place of some prehistoric race, blotted out by a catastrophe like Herculaneum or Pompeii ?”

And on page 33, a Major Richard. A. Cruise is quoted as describing in 1820 a canoe he saw in the Bay of Islands:
“The largest we saw was 84 feet long, 6 feet wide, and 5 feet deep, and belonged to Tarree ( Taraia ) of Shungee’s ( Hongi’s ) tribe. It was made of a single COWRY-tree……….”.

The first para suggests that many years ago it was deemed possible for pre-maori occupation of NZ.
I know that this is a subject which is dear to many people’s hearts, and anathema to others.

The second para gives us a good idea of how “kauri” was pronounced as far back as 1820, in contrast to the everchanging versions imposed on us by the media and educationalists today.
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April 23, 2019 5:20pm
- noskire
  
  And in no way related to the archaeological digs in the Waipoua Forest, the findings of which have been embargoed until at least 2063.
  //sarc
  
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  April 23, 2019 6:58pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Do that piece of nonsense need debunking again?
    Pseudohistory is always fun though.
    
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    April 23, 2019 9:41pm
- nasska
  
  Agree entirely. The rewriters of NZ’s history & “experts” in all things Maori are generally full of shit but they haven’t yet managed to expunge all truth from early writings. I for one place far more trust in what was written by witnesses of the time who would have absolutely no interest in lying about pronunciation. Example:
  
  ……”The pine, called by the natives cowree, abounds with resin; and I believe is the only tree of that species in the island that has any.”……
  
  http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/document/?wid=532&page=1&action=null
  
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  April 23, 2019 7:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The following 19th C spellings were reported by Harry Orsman (NZ Dictionary of NZ English):
  
  cawdi(e), coudie, courie, cowdee, cowdi(e), cowdy, cowree, cowri(e), cowry, kaudi, kaurie, kawdie, koude, koudi, kouri, kowree, kowri.
  
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  April 23, 2019 7:36pm
  - cmm
    
    Since Maori is not a written language there are likely many regional variants like there are in African languages.
    
    There it is common for a word to be pronounced very differently over a short range.
    
    Where I grew up, the Zulu name for the African Olive Pigeon was called igope, 50 km away they were called igowe and 50km the other way, ihowe.
    
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    April 23, 2019 8:45pm
Tall Man

She really is a sycophant….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12224626

“before going to the Turkish Grand National Assembly in Ankara and meeting the Speaker and the President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.”

Do we think he’ll stay awake unlike the “leader”…. “what’s in it for wynston”?

Will he be hearing voices through his new earpiece………”silly little girl…….”
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April 23, 2019 5:44pm
- softail 1450
  
  Tall man ,who gave the gorilla the hat?
  
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  April 23, 2019 6:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I think he is more of a baboon…
    
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    April 23, 2019 6:41pm
- alien
  
  If only the footage was better. Anyway the gorilla still deserves to be knighted. But alas, I’d rather have Trevor be representing NZ for services in turkey than some of who could of gone
  
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  April 23, 2019 6:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Did go but was well “gone”…..
    
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    April 23, 2019 7:38pm
softail 1450

For a good laugh Google “8 year old does AOC”
what a hoot .
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April 23, 2019 6:00pm
softail 1450

Seriously,It might be time to join Pharmachick…….
Or maybe the moderator could give a list of tomorrow’s subjects ,we could make posts now and have them on the blog around the right time……
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April 23, 2019 6:21pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Dont go yet softail. Ive got an absolute blockbuster on the royal baby for tomorrows GD! Just waiting on furthwer confirmation from my partners mum!!
  
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  April 23, 2019 6:49pm
- noskire
  
  It’s not the moderators, nor DPF’s fault. Many on this blog, along with Jordan Peterson et al have predicted this censorship – yet the speed with which it has occurred, not just here, but say on Stuff is disturbing to say the least.
  I will be attending the Anzac ceremony in Latimer Square on Thursday – sadly I won’t be surprised if it’s the last.
  
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  April 23, 2019 7:08pm
Tauhei Notts

Grumpy old man.
I have three brothers and four sisters; two of the twin sisters died years ago. No, we are not Doolans, we are Anglican. But I remember my late Mum telling me that the seven days in hospital after birth were some of the most relaxing days of her life.
I thought about that yesterday; our second grandson was born at 4.30 a.m. Our daughter was rushed out of hospital two hours after the rather traumatic birth. I think there is something terribly unjust in that occurrence. Or, am I getting the wrong end of the stick, because I think it undermines the importance of motherhood, which I believe deserves some degree of reverence.
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April 23, 2019 6:30pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Update;
  The little giant is going great guns on the cheap tucker. Mother’s milk.
  
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  April 23, 2019 6:32pm
  - nasska
    
    Tip for the 2.30 on Saturday at TeRapa. ‘Bisexual Boy’.
    
    Worth an each way bet.
    
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    April 23, 2019 8:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Or, am I getting the wrong end of the stick,
  
  No, you are not getting the wrong end of the stick.
  The length of time new mums spend in hospital after giving birth has been reducing steadily..
  From 14 days (when I was born – 1953)..
  to 7 days (when I first gave birth – 1981)
  to 1 day or less ( from the 1990s).
  
  It’s similar story over much of the World… although NZ has one of the shortest periods of stay.
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783077/
  
  I know some of the folks who were keen advocates of NZ’s current maternity services…of course they had mums, grandmas and associated family to help when they arrived home (or had a homebirth).
  
  I would have hated to cope with my newborns at home a couple of hours after birth….all that blood (for weeks after), engorged breasts, baby coughing up blood (is that normal?), baby jaundiced, baby not feeding properly (how would I know… never had a baby suckling before), etc, etc.
  
  God only knows how new mums with sickly babes or their own health problems cope.
  
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  April 23, 2019 7:20pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “The infant mortality rate was down to 3.8 deaths per 1,000 live births in 2018, compared with 5.0 per 1,000 in 2008, Stats NZ said today. Infant mortality for Māori dropped from 6.7 in 2008 to 4.9 in 2018. These are some of the lowest-ever infant mortality rates for New Zealand’s total and Māori populations”.
    
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    April 23, 2019 7:37pm
  - nasska
    
    Prior to the brave new world of birthing new mothers also had the luxury of properly trained doctors readily available should things go pear shaped.
    
    Nowadays the best they can hope for is a midwife with less natal experience than the average cocky but an expert on cultural safety. I wonder if there are statistics kept showing how many botched up births & subsequent deaths can be laid at the feet of these generally arrogant, know nothing harridans.
    
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    April 23, 2019 8:02pm
The Heat

There is quite a good thread on – and I can’t quite believe I’m saying this – The Standard

https://thestandard.org.nz/confirmation-bias/

“[Minchin] is alarmed by what he sees as a “dearth of intellectualism” and a dire gap in rhetoric among the leaders of the western world.

“Give me a leader who will stand up and talk to us like we’re fucking adults and inspire us to be the best version of ourselves, you know. Where are they?”

Ironically, some seem to think the current PM is not part of that problem. And let’s not even get started on the NZ media, which has turned into a pale imitation of social media crossed with the Women’s Weekly. Another fishing/baby/act of kindness story? Coming right up. In fact, let’s just repeat an old one.

The world runs on feelz. Political “debate” is tribal squabbling. It is not a better place for it. How on earth did we get here?
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April 23, 2019 7:05pm
alien

I think if you do not pay someone minimum wage you should have the full weight of the law thrown at you, labour

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/andrew-dickens-afternoons/opinion/andrew-dickens-teachers-being-paid-less-than-minimum-wage-is-shameful-1/#ath
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April 23, 2019 7:32pm
ex-golfer

Did anyone else see this?:
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/media-centre/news-notifications/permanent-residence-for-people-affected-by-the-christchurch-terrorist-attacks

So we now freely open our doors for and simply grant permanent residence with no questions asked?

And why/how was this policy made so easily without any form of consultation and any form of coverage from the media?
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April 23, 2019 8:18pm
tranquil

So, has anyone seen Princess Cindy make any comment on the Sri Lanka attack?
I haven’t seen any comments from her yet but then I haven’t been looking around very much.

I suspect that a big fat silence will be her only response.
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April 23, 2019 8:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This is BAD news.
How will our Government react?

Sri Lanka bombings were response to Christchurch shooting, says defence minister
Ruwan Wijewardene told a special sitting of the national body on Tuesday afternoon that investigations had shown “this attack was carried out in retaliation for the attack against Muslims in Christchurch”, he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/apr/23/sri-lanka-bombings-attacks-live-news
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April 23, 2019 8:54pm
- ex-golfer
  
  But how could this happen?
  Our glorious leader, she who leads the free world, wore a head-scarf and gave hugs.
  Did they not notice?
  Were all those who wore a head-scarf in solidarity (well, for one day anyway) ignored?
  
  Terrorists obviously recognise virtue-signalling when they see it.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:52pm
- fernglas
  
  Given that the Sri Lankan authorities were warned about the attack well before the Christchurch shootings, I would say that the politician is talking bullshit
  
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  April 24, 2019 4:20pm
Rich Prick

CCTV footage confirms a knuckle dragging sand monkey packing a back-pack into a church in Sri Lanka. No surprises there. But where’s Cindy in her Nun kit?
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April 23, 2019 9:32pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Oh cool, a downticker thinks dead people who happen to be Christian is pretty damn cool. They really do walk among us.
  
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  April 23, 2019 9:44pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Folks, we have an ISIS fanboy. Come on out of the shadows and defend the attack on Christians. If you have the ability.
    
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    April 23, 2019 10:23pm
    - softail 1450
      
      Rich Prick, Makes you wonder which nom de plume St Jacinda uses on this blog,,,,LOL.
      
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      April 24, 2019 4:09am
    - fernglas
      
      You have to admit its a dumb thing to say. If she had to get into costume every time an atrocity happened in another country,she’d need a bigger wardrobe than central casting. School shooting in the states? Where’s her 10 gallon hat? Drug cartel beheading in Juarez? Fetch the sombrero.USW
      
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      April 24, 2019 4:27pm
MickMac

Loved this on the muller report. worth the 15 mins.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/joe_di_genova_explains_where_the_russia_hoax_is_headed.html
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