General Debate 22 April 2019

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G152

Just looking through some 1960’s Mad magazines and all the current ‘problems’ are pretty much run of the mill even back then with some claiming that the Earth would be a desert in only a few years.
US Presidents running scared of impeachment back then.
Wars and all manner of disasters would become the ordinary..
And here we re some 50+ years later with the doomsayers claiming the same old same old.
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April 22, 2019 8:15am
- Lance
  
  Who was the clown commenting everyday a year or two ago that the world’s economy was going to collapse and we would have to eat gorse to survive?
  I remember it was beyond tedious
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:56am
  - stigie
    
    Yes, i think he even had Nasska quite worried at the time as he was about to take hoards of baked beans and sardines up into the snowline so he could save himself from all wankers making stupid predictions..?
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:57am
  - Swifty
    
    EAD?
    
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    April 22, 2019 10:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      EAD (not allowed to call him EAdolf anymore) was on about that for awhile (quoting websites that have accurately picked 22 of the last 2 recessions) but lately has concentrated on his core interest in antisemitism.
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:35am
  - Nutta
    
    Winston Peters. And he’s trying to achieve it, among with JA.
    
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    April 22, 2019 3:59pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  What, me worry?
  
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  April 22, 2019 9:08am
  - ducklin71
    
    Alfred E Neuman for PM 🙂
    
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    April 22, 2019 12:34pm
- kowtow
  
  “Doomsayers”
  Back then it was religious nutters with sandwich boards , Repent The End is Nigh.
  
  Today it is the new secular religious nutters , The Earth lovers , telling us the same thing.
  
  What is different is back then there weren’t that many sandwich board nutters and we all politely sniggered at them .Today there’s hundreds of thousands , they’re in govt , in NGO’s , churches, businesses etc and instead of sniggering our gubmints are robbing us of our wealth to transfer to them and want to rejig the economy so that we are all turned into penitents .
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    But they’re still nutters.
    
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    April 22, 2019 11:53am
  - coge
    
    One thing all cults seem to have in common, is preaching impending doom. And they’ve all been wrong.
    
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    April 22, 2019 5:41pm
- Chris Scott
  
  In the past there have been environmental problems that have been dealt with and some have been left to fester. It’s unlikely that any of us here commenting will be greatly affected by them in our lifetimes but I strongly urge those of you with an open mind look at the scientific evidence rather than the political implications of said evidence and act with good conscience.
  
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  April 22, 2019 12:45pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Chris, there is weather and there is whether……
    
    It is doubtful whether action by men have had any real effect on the weather.
    
    It is also doubtful whether there is anything man can do to make any meaningful alterations to the weather to come.
    
    Somehow it has now been decided that all the dinosaur farts, bison dumps, volcanic activity over the past millennium along with solar activity have had little impact compared to what man has managed to do over less than 200 years…..
    
    Yeah right,
    
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    April 22, 2019 7:05pm
mikenmildagain

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It is just a crying shame the difficulty some are having in adjusting to new standards of civility.
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April 22, 2019 8:23am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed mikenmild. A little civility isn’t that hard, and I’ve actually found posting under my own name liberating; it makes me think about what I type a little more.
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:34am
  - Swifty
    
    You’ve always been most civil KS – nothing has changed.
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:06am
  - John Warren
    
    Likewise. I feel that same liberation, rather than the slightly dirty feel of hiding behind a pseudonym.
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:20am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Tony. Thinking about what you type is always a good thing, but calling it liberating is a step too far.
    
    If anything, it is constraining. It is easy to be civil, but certain thoughts, even if presented in a civil manner, will end with repercussions if one is accused of wrongthink.
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:34am
    - kowtow
      
      On that note an excellent piece from today’s ODT.
      
      ‘Live and let live’ attitude gives way to ‘zero tolerance’
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/live-and-let-live-attitude-gives-way-zero-tolerance
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:35am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        My thoughts exactly.
        
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        April 22, 2019 12:07pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Once stalked and all that……
      
      A long established nom de plume establishes it’s own reputation, one which one guards and does not lightly toss away (unlike some).
      
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      April 22, 2019 5:25pm
  - tf78
    
    Civility doesn’t always seem honest and it’s honesty that’s missing nowadays.
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:45am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I posted under my own name elsewhere and then I got emails sent to work asking me to be sacked, plus one of my kids’ teachers called him out in class for me disagreeing with the Goracle and climate fraud. The civility that Mike and Tony applaud, appears limited in lefty scope.
    
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    April 22, 2019 10:06am
    - kowtow
      
      See my 1035 above.
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:36am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      This is precisely why I cannot, and will not post using my name. This is also why I ask for DPF to reconsider his moderation policy, as it plays into the hands of those people who would carry out the actions you have highlighted.
      
      I understand his reasons, but cannot agree with them. By the way, I would report that teacher.
      
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      April 22, 2019 12:09pm
      - B Phillips
        
        I wouldn’t bother changing SR, I did and still stay in moderation in fact I went back to my old alias and I reckon my comments went through faster ?
        
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        April 22, 2019 12:26pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        I did report the teacher, via very polite one-on-one with the headmaster – after I approached the teacher who told me to Go Away (not uttered quite that way). The most the headmaster would agree was that it was “unfortunate”. Remembering quite well my schooldays of many decades ago, I thought the more I tried to fix this, the more my son would suffer for it – and not necessarily just with teachers but with other classmates. That said, after he left, although we are both alumni, that school is history in terms of support and funding. Maybe I chickened out, but I didn’t want my son to have trouble because of my opinions.
        
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        April 22, 2019 8:39pm
- kevn
  
  Must be National Clown Day.
  
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  April 22, 2019 9:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I never noticed civility from you when you labelled me mad, hysterical, and stated that I don’t care for the environment.
  
  Your attempts to victim-shame me tells me all that I need to know about someone who hides behind a pseudonym to conduct his smears.
  
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  April 22, 2019 12:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The above is directed at mikenmildagain…..in case it wasn’t clear.
    
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    April 22, 2019 12:40pm
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Happy Earth Day!
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April 22, 2019 8:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Started by Ira Einhorn – the “Unicorn Killer”
  http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42711922/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/earth-day-co-founder-killed-composted-girlfriend/#.XLztkpMzZAY
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    So…. Nutjobs then…. nutjobs now.
    
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    April 22, 2019 10:30am
Sofia

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announces there will be no CGT, “not because I don’t believe in it, but because I don’t believe New Zealanders do”.

She got that from the two month vacuum she called a “debate” in which she didn’t even participate?

However, a diluted CGT was what the populace had been prepared for and now Ardern could be accused of being a show pony too distracted by international adulation to perform the tough tasks at home.

Or is this simply necessary pragmatism needed to shore up the mortar of MMP in order to prevent any shifting in the bricks of the coalition that could destabilise the whole building?

Most probably the latter is the case. However, her signalling that a capital gains tax won’t happen under her watch could mean that she might be thinking of decamping from the leadership before the next election to pursue a glittering career, possibly at the United Nations. – stuff
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April 22, 2019 8:25am
- srylands
  
  You are correct. There was no debate. A debate would have required the government to specify its response to the TWG in the form of options, including the Government’s preferred option. Then led a genuine engagement.
  
  The folk that thought MMP was good for New Zealand…
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:37am
- KiWombat
  
  – when she says “under my watch” you don’t need to attach much faith in that claim. Remember the pre-election claim of “no strikes under my watch?”
  
  Didn’t take long for that to unravel !
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:57am
  - calendar girl
    
    If Ardern says “under my watch”, her minders should advise her that the common expression she’s looking for is “on my watch”.
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:30am
    - tf78
      
      As far Jacinda is concerned it’s always better to “read between the lines” as the less said the better.
      
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      April 22, 2019 9:58am
    - BrownSnake
      
      We Love you Jacinda
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:32pm
  - fernglas
    
    Who wears a watch these days anyway?
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:43am
    - pdm
      
      Me!!!!
      
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      April 22, 2019 2:17pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Taxcinda believes in CGT yet believes that NZers do not.
  
  Surely that can only be interpreted as being out of touch with us.
  
  The Taranaki decision is more proof.
  
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  April 22, 2019 9:10am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The cost in political capital going forward may have been too high. Grant R. has been conspicuously absent. Someone surely told the govt that it would take 2-3 years to bring the CGT to fruition? IRD’s accounting is all integrated with assessment. Staff and public preparation were needed. The law drafting alone would be a years work. The changes to be were massive.
    
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    April 22, 2019 12:13pm
- Liberty
  
  “I don’t believe New Zealanders do”
  
  New Zealanders told Dear Leader that in the 2017 election
  With labours appalling 37% support.
  Dear leader fails to understand. When you have very little support. Doing some deal with politically undesirables might give her power but she does not have a mandate. By trying to impose a vile CGT was always going to be a fail.
  
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  April 22, 2019 9:13am
- Yvette
  
  As far as I can fathom, the Government did not state any final position on CGT – what of the recommendations they would introduce or not.
  
  So what does Ardern mean “New Zealanders did not believe in it”, when she did not actually offer any official and final proposal.
  
  That – to put it bluntly, and perhaps indelicately – is just fucking weird.
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:24am
  - Liberty
    
    Weird is and understatement
    Col steadfastly refused to answer questions in the house on CGT.
    While claiming they were consulting with God knows who.
    Meanwhile Sir Rich Prick sucked of $1000 a day.
    
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    April 22, 2019 11:08am
- Nermal
  
  But will they bring in an Inheritance Tax?
  
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  April 22, 2019 4:40pm
- BrownSnake
  
  We love you Jacinda
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:32pm
Luke Piewalker

Christian people killed in Sri Lanka…

So we will see a tearful handwringing Ardern holding a cross … nah didn’t think so
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April 22, 2019 8:25am
- Tony Stuart
  
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  Luke; that’s already been done to death on the Sri Lanka bombing thread. Ardern has made a response on behalf of NZ, as I would expect any PM to do.
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:29am
  - Nukuleka
    
    From the NZ Herald account of Ms Ardern’s statement condemning the Sri Lankan attacks I see no mention of the word ‘Christian’, a surprising omission if indeed the Herald quote is full and accurate- after all the attacks were primarily aimed at Christian churches and not places of worship in general in general, and most of the dead will have been Christians. I contrast this to the many public statements as PM she made after the Christchurch attacks in which she made frequent and specific reference, quite accurately, to the victims as ‘Muslims’.
    
    I find her selectivity significant and disturbing.
    
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    April 22, 2019 8:58am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The attacks were on 3 Catholic Churches during Easter worship.
      
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      April 22, 2019 12:18pm
- Scott
  
  I agree our prime minister should wear a prominent cross and also find some Christians somewhere to hug.
  I understand she’s not visiting the Wairarapa at present so we local Christians should be quite safe ?
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:49am
- alien
  
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  it’s actually disgusting that people will use a terrorist attack in another country to try and attack the PM.
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:52am
  - kevn
    
    @alien… Just awful isn’t it. Not really.
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:15am
  - G152
    
    Think of it not as an attack on the PM but rather a requirement that she ditches any double standards real or suspected and treat the christians as she treated the muslims
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:17am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Even more to the point G152, drops the double standards. As it now appears it was a small islamic extremist group that has carried out the 8 bombings. Let’s hear the outrage (reports are suggesting that indications of the attacks were ignored by the Sri Lankan security forces) and the empathy now!
      
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      April 22, 2019 3:21pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You are mistaken.
    
    It is the inconsistency that is the issue.
    
    A month of all white men are evil murderers with hand wringing apologies to muslims and no end of mention about how wonderful muslims and their faith is and how we can now all enjoy fetid goat kebabs on every street corner because of the ‘diversity’ they bring to our Christian based democracy.
    
    Did I miss her mention of the 100+ Christians slaughtered by muslims in Nigeria and now this atrocity, once again, against Christians.
    
    It is cross wearing season at the moment, the peak of ‘get ones cross out of the garage and drag it around the park’ season. Nothing from Ardern.
    
    I am clear in my mind; they are not one of us, they never can be and never will be. And, frankly, I don’t want muslims to be part of my world.
    
    Muslims have a completely different mindset to Christianity and all that it stands for.
    
    They are here because we have welfare, they are here to turn New Zealand in shitholeistan whence they came while turning us into allah acolytes.
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:24am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Alien is right – your attitude is disgusting. You seem to think that a display of empathy for New Zealand victims of a terrorist atrocity calls for identical responses from our PM to any attack overseas that you deem to be significant.
      As for your attitude to people coming here, unless you are tangata whenua yourself, perhaps you should leave Aotearoa and return to your own ethnic homeland.
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:05am
      - burt
        
        Anyone here who is against our culture should leave. That includes people who are anti gay and anti bacon.
        
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        April 22, 2019 10:13am
      - Tall Man
        
        And once again you choose to miss the point.
        
        It was the lack of the word “Christian” that she seemed desperate to avoid whereas the word “muslim” seemed to be de rigueur for a month or more.
        
        The slaughter of Christians though out the world does seem to be less important than the slaughter of muslims, especially in the media.
        
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        April 22, 2019 10:18am
      - kevn
        
        It is National Clown Day.
        
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        April 22, 2019 10:32am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        burt should take his anti-bacon campaign to the nearest synagogue.
        
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        April 22, 2019 10:36am
      - Stephen James
        
        mikenmildagain
        Christians are just as important as Muslims except Christians don’t murder people because of their beliefs anymore.
        Even though I have a good friend who happens to be Muslim and a descent man, I too believe in general terms we cannot mix. Not my fault or the fault of Christians; it’s Muslim ideals.
        My mate often says “In my culture…….” to which I reply “Welcome to New Zealand and my culture” Especially when I order a beer.
        In case he reads this blog.
        Hello Iqbal; Happy Easter inshallah; Woo!
        
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        April 22, 2019 10:53am
      - marleybob
        
        No tangata whenua left in NZ, they were either killed or assimilated into Maori.
        
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        April 22, 2019 1:52pm
      - simpleton1
        
        Stephen James
        As Basil Faulty used to say, “”whatever you do, ” Do not mention the war”” to the Germans staying at “Faulty Towers”
        Bacon, pork sausages and a good handle or 2, are good to dine out on. 🙂
        
        Muslim ideals are ok for him; and who else? hmmm
        
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        April 22, 2019 2:24pm
      - kloyd0306
        
        Make up your mind…….Is it New Zealand or Aotearoa?
        
        I bet you’d love a name change but WE will always be New Zealanders.
        
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        April 22, 2019 3:05pm
    - MickMac
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:41am
      - cut n paster
        
        Nothing to moderate here? – moving on :-).
        
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        April 22, 2019 11:51am
  - calendar girl
    
    If the PM’s comments and actions are now beyond criticism (even ‘moderated’ criticism on KB!) we are reaching a difficult point in our kind of society which purports to encourage lively political debate.
    
    Your suggestion that some people “attack” the PM employs an emotionally-loaded word that is entirely appropriate to describe the dreadful events in Sri Lanka but, I suggest, an exaggeration in the context of your comment about the PM.
    
    I’m in agreement with Nukuleka, for example, that it’s surprising for Ms Ardern to comment on the Sri Lankan attacks without any mention of the intended targets being Christians. If that’s deemed to be an “attack” on the PM, I’m saddened, but I suggest that it might be better to take the matter up with Ms Ardern herself or her speech-writers.
    
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    April 22, 2019 10:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    I find it disgusting that someone would use an appalling attack in Christchurch to attack personal rights within New Zealand for no other reason than to “virtual signal” both here and overseas.
    
    I also found it disgusting that someone would “adorn” themselves with an obvious symbol of women’s oppression in order to gain accolades here and abroad among people from a religion that in many locations would actually stone her to death for her lifestyle choices….
    
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    April 22, 2019 10:27am
    - Tall Man
      
      Come on mikey, just a downtick….don’t you have a wonderfully pithy argument to forward?
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:40am
  - Nermal
    
    Yes, it’s Hate Speech and should be banned
    
    /s for the low IQs
    
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    April 22, 2019 4:41pm
- BrownSnake
  
  We love you Jacinda
  
  [Mod: keep this up and you’ll start getting these inane comments deleted]
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:33pm
alloytoo

Based on her comments of the passed couple of months, I don’t believe Ardern actually understands CGT beyond the Buzzword “fairness”.

Given that “Fairness” was debunked pretty early in the process the very thought of debating and discussing CGT with people more knowledgeable than herself (IE everyone) terrified her.
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April 22, 2019 8:34am
Maggie Pie

Ive been keeping in touch with Bella Henry on Instagram ever since she and Paul went to live in Palm Springs. So exciting to see that her dad has finally launched his 80 mtr Super Yacht which he has named after his luvly old mum Olive. Bella thinks they will be coming down here in it for the America Cup. So excited 🙂

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo_83zBho1m/
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April 22, 2019 8:39am
- mikenmildagain
  
  But what are the Kardashians up to?
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:59am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Chanel 16 anytime you like Mike.
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:26am
  - sooty
    
    Same as always, flopping tits an arses, along with stupid comments!
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:35am
    - stigie
      
      Big arses may i add !~
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:46am
alloytoo

Just a thought….

Auckland Transport (that font on congestion) recently announced their intention to make the Auckland CBD car free.

Doesn’t that decision make the multi-billion Dollar Inner city rail loop obsolete.
If there are no private vehicles in the CBD then it’s very easy and cheap to implement far more flexible bus and tram solutions.

Thoughts?
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April 22, 2019 8:46am
- hullkiwi
  
  It will only push the congestion out of the CBD are to surrounding streets and kill the city.
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:57am
  - sooty
    
    Who will want to go to the CBD. Not me, an out of towner.
    Just as why would I go to newmarket and fight traffic, when I can jump of the motorway down south and shop!
    Same as petrol tax, fill up out of town, on the way in and again as I leave!
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:40am
    - PhilBest
      
      Bear in mind that one of the “Planners” articles of faith is “city centre first”. They are against zoning in ways that will enable people to live their lives traveling between dispersed locations. Not only do they want to force you to use their train set by making road travel impossibly congested; they want to force you to travel to the CBD by incrementally depriving you of other options for work and shopping.
      
      A truly enlightened (scientific, even) analysis would conclude that dispersion has been the best thing that ever happened to cities. Contemporary urban planning is a true intellectual inheritor of the “planning” tradition that Hayek absolutely nailed in the 20th century. The kind of mind that believes in prescriptive planning, is the kind of mind that will impose the WRONG “solutions” anyway.
      
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      April 22, 2019 9:58am
- PhilBest
  
  Logical. But we need to understand that the religion we are up against has “rails” as its core article of faith. And this is a global faith. Economists and rational analysts can jump up and down pointing out again and again that buses are the most logical solution in XYZ situation, and it will fall on deaf ears.
  
  Ironically the rail-based systems that are adopted (whether trams or trains) tend to reduce overall PT mode share. They are so expensive that they crowd out the budget for the buses that most of the city needs; and they require “transfers” from feeder-service buses, which introduces another time loss and potential system breakdown, into the individual’s travel-decision equation.
  
  “Park and Ride” really requires parking buildings as the space has a high opportunity cost (which the green activists never include as a “negative externality” for trains, note); but parking buildings would represent another added cost. What the public are never told is that the cost per person-km of travel on these rail-centric PT systems is seldom lower than that of a solo driver with a medium-size car. If PT fares were expected to cover the “share of the costs” that motorists do cover for themselves, PT fares would be more costly than the best options for running your own car (a small, economical, depreciated used but still-reliable one). The subsidy of PT fares is easily 80%+ of the total cost.
  
  On the other hand, “roads” (which are the only part of the costs of automobility that are “subsidized”) are only about 5% of the whole-system cost of automobility. Motorists have to pay for their own car; PT riders don’t have to contribute a cent to the capital cost of the trains or the rails, or the stations, or the park-and-ride spaces. Not do they contribute any more than half to the energy costs, maintenance, wages, and other operating costs; whereas motorists pay their own way for all this too.
  
  Both systems typically cost around 50 cents per person-km of travel (in average cities, not exceptional ones like Hong Kong); but the motorist pays their own 50 cents while the PT rider pays 10 cents and gets 40 cents subsidized. And the lying Greens talk about “levelling the playing field against subsidized car driving”!!!
  
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  April 22, 2019 9:51am
- PhilBest
  
  Chuck Marohn of “Strong Towns” is a bit inconsistent but he has a lot of insights about what is wrong with contemporary planning and activism on urban form and transport. This is a good read:
  
  https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/4/30/transits-chicken-egg-fallacy?utm
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:00am
hullkiwi

I am a born, bred and educated Aucklander, but these parasites do not speak for me or most Aucklanders and are an embarrassment to most Aucklanders. I am referring to the SkyPath Trust and their assorted group of hangers on, that includes:
Morrisons (owners of Infratil);
KPMG;
A planning consultant (who read for his BPlan degree at Auckland with my brother); and
An engineering consultancy.
This type of story makes me angry, because in days gone by, these types of people would have been told to get lost, because they are entitled to NOTHING!!!
The parasites listed above are claiming $1.6million for plans for SkyPath (read link below), they are entitled to nothing and should be told to Foxtrot Oscar or Papa Oscar off.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/387496/skypath-impasse-transport-agency-receives-1-point-6m-bill

There was never a contract between Auckland City or NZTA for these parasites to provide anything. Woodward is a contempory of mine at Auckland, so he should know in Contract Law there must be 3 elements of a contract – an offer, acceptance and consideration – I don’t see any of that here.

These parasites are the very reason people hold Auckland and Aucklanders in contempt (and they do not speak for me).

SkyPath is a vanity project that adds nothing to Auckland, it will be an under used, expensive white elephant of a scheme that will cost a significant amount of money to construct, operate and maintain.
SkyPath Trust, Morrisons and KPMG came up with the notion of doing this scheme as a PFI. As someone who has worked on more PFI/PPP schemes abroad than NZ has done, I can attest that a back of an envelope calculation tells you this scheme is not bankable. So, the only way to finance and operate it is for the taxpayer to pay for it. This is where this project is obscene, why should New Zealanders from Kaitaia to Stewart Island pay for an Auckland vanity project promoted by no more than 20 to 50 people?

Michael Stiassny and Phil Twyford, if you authorise payment of any money to this group, every taxpayer in New Zealand should be entitled to sue you for reimbursement of the money paid.

As for Woodward, if you a s ingle cent out of this, I will issue you with an invoice on behalf of Aucklanders for the $1million plus for the waste of money trial bus service that was the Kowhai Connector. You see Woodward is a Transport Consultant, he advocated and worked with people from Auckland Transport in 2012/13 to operate a trial bus service until September 2018 in the Warkworth/Matakana/Leigh areas. The bus service cost over $250k per annum to operate, was funded entirely by Auckland Transport and achieved less than a 10% fare box recovery. So, Woodward you owe Auckland more than $1million for the operation of a bus service for which there was only ever limited demand. As you will not pay for the loses incurred by Aucklanders for the bus service you promoted, Taxpayers have every right to tell you to crawl back under your rock.

Further , it would be a favour to the rest of New Zealand if, you, your SkyPath Trust and assorted hangers do a Foxtrot Oscar because you are entitled to six tenths of nothing!!!
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April 22, 2019 8:49am
- septic skeptic
  
  It seems insane to be adding a new structure to the already marginal clip-on.
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:58am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Even more insane to have a combined cycle/pedestrian path with a gradient of almost 10%.
    Imagine the damage speeding cyclists are going to cause.
    A dumb idea from the start.
    
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    April 22, 2019 10:08am
    - Michael Rodent
      
      SkyPath is an insane pipe dream that will be a huge waste of ratepayer’s and taxpayer’s money. It is also inherently unsafe – a 4m wide enclosed carriageway to be shared by two-way traffic of pedestrians, cyclists and tourists stopping to take in the view.
      The “promoters”fabricated projected usage figures to try and make the business case work.
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:42am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Michael, you are being very polite when you write:
        
        “The “promoters”fabricated projected usage figures to try and make the business case work.”
        
        In fact the usage numbers are exaggerated out of all proportion to reality.
        
        The numbers I saw anticipated by year 5 there would be 11,000 people per day using the thing.
        
        Given they plan to charge for access and the fact that the weather is not too great 140 days out of 365 in Auckland, I can’t see it being used as much as the numbers used.
        
        The other little under report facet of this whole farce is that back in 1980 the Auckland Harbour Bridge Authority ran a transport pick up and delivery service for cyclists between Stafford Park and Westhaven. Most of those who used the service were university students. Within a year of starting the service, it folded because of lack of patronage and interest.
        
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        April 22, 2019 3:40pm
      - Tall Man
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVOZnDsiCW8
        
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        April 22, 2019 7:38pm
    - Paulus
      
      Downhill on an electric scooter or an old people’s one -woweeee!
      No walkers allowed as OSH will not allow as too dangerous.
      
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      April 22, 2019 3:21pm
softail 1450

Maggie pie, ,jeeeeez last time I remember Paul buying something he said his new Mustang was a little decadent and now you say he’s launched an 80 metre yacht (270 feet) ,whats he doing to raise the many tens of millions that would cost?
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April 22, 2019 8:51am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I didnt say 80 meter, silly! I said 80 feet.
  Paul had it built in Norway.
  
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  April 22, 2019 9:13am
  - sooty
    
    Auckland needs to do a ticker tape parade when he arrives!
    That was the day when radio started to die!
    Tv was always shit!
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:44am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Maggie Pie
    Ive been keeping in touch with Bella Henry on Instagram ever since she and Paul went to live in Palm Springs. So exciting to see that her dad has finally launched his 80 mtr Super Yacht which he has named after his luvly old mum Olive. Bella thinks they will be coming down here in it for the America Cup. So excited ?
    
    Having a blonde moment Maggie?
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:57am
    - Tall Man
      
      Chocolate Easter bunny overload……
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:20am
      - sooty
        
        You little old name dropper, you.
        
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        April 22, 2019 2:11pm
  - howitis
    
    You clearly wrote:-
    Maggie Pie
    Ive been keeping in touch with Bella Henry on Instagram ever since she and Paul went to live in Palm Springs. So exciting to see that her dad has finally launched his 80 mtr Super Yacht ”
    
    Is mtr suddenly an abbreviation for “Feet”?
    Mmm.
    Better get you ‘partner’ to do the maths from now on.
    How is he by the way – we need 10 updates a day on what your ‘partner’ said kinda like FB.
    
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    April 22, 2019 11:19am
- jonno1
  
  80 feet I believe, about 24.5 m.
  
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  April 22, 2019 9:33am
mjw

Still no update to the Curia Public Poll average. It’s sitting there, on the right of this page, in denial.
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April 22, 2019 9:32am
slightlyrighty

Given the CGT debacle that we have witnessed, and the function of the Government at this moment, now would be a great opportunity for the National Opposition to again demand the release of the coalition document that forms the basis of this government.

It may make for interesting reading in light of recent events.
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April 22, 2019 9:36am
- burt
  
  The secret document is a cornerstone of the most open and transparent government we have ever had. None of the less open and transparent governments before this one had enough secrecy about their formation to be called open and transparent.
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:16am
- Rachael Membery
  
  We know how manifestos that would be bad for our health get treated.
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:22am
secondcumming

Sounds like the WCC, (and in particular Mayor Justin Lester), have run foul of *Sir Peter Jackson*, with their plans to consent what Sir Peter describes as, “Assisting a private developer to dump a load of Soviet-style apartment blocks on a beautiful part of Wellington’s coastline”

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1119728715313770498

Hopefully we may get to see a sequel of Peter’s very first ‘splatter movie’ ….*BAD TASTE*
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April 22, 2019 9:54am
- burt
  
  He’s got every right to be pissed off, the council want to use ratepayers money for infrastructure rather than a museum to hold all the things he has that are expensive for him to store.
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s a bit harsh.
    
    Have you actually looked at the plans for Shelley Bay?
    
    Ian Cassels is primarily concerned for Ian Cassels and certainly does not need council assistance to grow his wealth.
    
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    April 22, 2019 10:33am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Wellington needs more housing, and developers aren’t going to provide them out of charity.
      
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      April 22, 2019 11:32am
      - Tall Man
        
        That is correct but that doesn’t mean “hideous” should be the new standard either.
        
        These will certainly not be the low cost housing that all NZ cities need.
        
        They are also being built in an area that is already at commuter overload without thought of commuting needs.
        
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        April 22, 2019 11:45am
      - Overworked
        
        Fine, but just not on the last piece of relatively unaltered coastline around the bays.
        
        It’s a great place to go and chill.
        
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        April 22, 2019 12:30pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Tallman, you cannot both complain that the proposed housing will be hideous and that it won’t be low-cost. If it is intended to be bought by rich people it will have to be attractive and good quality because rich people don’t buy ugly low-quality housing. Trying to make it low-cost, on the other hand, pretty much guarantees ugly uniformity. Which do you want?
        
        In any case, you don’t need to build new low-cost housing in order to ensure that affordable housing becomes available. It may feel counterintuitive, but consider:
        
        If you have five buyers and four sellers, the richest buyer buys the best house, the second richest buys the second best, etc and the poorest buyer loses the bidding to the second poorest and doesn’t get a house at all.
        
        Now add another seller. It is still the case that the richest buyer will buy the best house, the second richest will buy the second best, etc. But now the poorest buyer will be able to buy the fifth house, because the seller has no other buyer.
        That outcome is the same whether the new house is better or worse than any of the original four.
        
        Thus, 350 new dwellings at Shelly Bay means 350 more buyers able to buy a home in Wellington, without needing to make the new builds themselves “affordable”.
        
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        April 22, 2019 1:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You can’t provide low cost housing on narrow strips of high value coastal land.
        
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        April 22, 2019 2:41pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Albert, you have missed the point.
        
        The plan is not great architecture in my mind but hey, I’m not throwing $500 million at it.
        
        http://architectureplus.co.nz/urban/shellybaymotukairangi/
        
        My other points still stand.
        
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        April 22, 2019 7:34pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s quite a stretch isn’t it – imagine a Hollywood mogul with a dose of megalomania!
    
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    April 22, 2019 10:39am
- srylands
  
  Yeah this is the problem with housing. I am sure the soviet style is bullshit.
  
  Not everyone can afford a peter Jackson style home. Right now Shelley Bay is a shit heap with amazing potential. But it looks like it will be mired in litigation until the developer decammps to Brisbane or Perth to make a buck.
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:42am
- Albert_Ross
  
  It isn’t a beautiful part of the coastline, it’s a disgraceful eyesore; the proposed development isn’t Soviet-style; and Peter Jackson’s opinions have no particular authority on matters of urban planning and administration. Apart from that, accurate and relevant reporting as ever from Stuff
  
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  April 22, 2019 10:52am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I agree Albert
    It’s a much needed project and doesn’t look too bad.
    The narrow strip of land means to get the max use of it, you need low rise apartments.
    Better low rise than high rise.
    
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    April 22, 2019 2:34pm
kevn

Welly Council have a very poor track record. Just happens to be Jackson who is speaking out. The local plebs just don’t get any press.
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April 22, 2019 10:35am
MickMac

burt
he turned down a museum as he wouldn’t have control..
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April 22, 2019 10:48am
- Tall Man
  
  So you don’t think he should have a say in how his stuff is stored, displayed and used?
  
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  April 22, 2019 12:02pm
  - MickMac
    
    no he’s a rich prick 😉
    
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    April 22, 2019 6:04pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Well I know he’s rich….
      
      Shame you think he’s a prick.
      
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      April 22, 2019 7:28pm
  - burt
    
    If he pays for it he can have complete control, when we pay for it he negotiates. He didn’t like the terms that came with using other peoples money, now he’s moaning.
    
    There is a saying for people like that;
    
    If you want to run with the big dogs, don’t piss like a puppy.
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:49pm
srylands

Last week I relocated from Wellington to Christchurch after more than 20 years in the capital. Wellington has changed for the worse. Stifling socialist orthodoxy. Worsening traffic congestion with no sign of building much needed roads. Housing unaffordability getting worse.

Anyway I am in Christchurch if anyone wants a beer. ?
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April 22, 2019 10:52am
- Tall Man
  
  Just the one? So much for “Southern hospitality”… 🙂
  
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  April 22, 2019 11:47am
- ducklin71
  
  Would gladly join you for a half dozen Speight’s Old Dark.
  
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  April 22, 2019 12:41pm
Maggie Pie

A friend of mine from St Pats retweets:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4sh0EwWsAA2c1q.jpg
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April 22, 2019 11:06am
All_on_Red

SJW parody Titania McGrath comments on the Extinction Rebellion climate protests in London

‘Some have criticised the protesters for being overwhelmingly white and middle class, but this is simply not true. I saw at least one family who had brought along their Filipino au pair. Besides, this wasn’t like that pro-Brexit rally where Channel 4’s Jon Snow said that he’d ‘never seen so many white people in one place’. The members of Extinction Rebellion are not white in any sense other than their skin colour. They are the good whites. Jon Snow was clearly referring to working-class whites, who tend to have the wrong opinions.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6943599/I-saw-one-family-whod-brought-Filipino-au-pair-eco-protests-says-TITANIA-MCGRATH.html
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April 22, 2019 11:09am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Have you seen the photos of the mess they left in Hyde Park?
  
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  April 22, 2019 11:26am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yes, litter everywhere.
    Bunch of hypocrites
    
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    April 22, 2019 2:30pm
ex-golfer

Jacindamania at full peak.
People getting all excited about a FB post from 2014 that, for some reason (only known to her PR team), has popped up again.
Shows the general ignorance of the NZ population that they can’t read a date.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12224113
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April 22, 2019 11:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Between that, and the Stuff story about the playdate with Pink’s children seven months ago, Ardern’s press staff have been working overtime this weekend. How quickly her CGT flip-flop has been forgotten; by them, at least!
  
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  April 22, 2019 11:27am
  - stigie
    
    Would it make her feel better if she visited some primary schools even if the kids aren’t there..?
    
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    April 22, 2019 12:00pm
    - nasska
      
      We could arrange for her to be surrounded by some stuffed toys from Sesame St so she doesn’t feel lonely.
      
      Cindy would love that. No awkward questions! 🙂
      
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      April 22, 2019 3:26pm
      - Happychappy
        
        nasska it seem there is media overseas that hold the same view as many NZer’s.
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12224324
        Read the animosity of the left over this post.
        
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        April 22, 2019 4:28pm
      - nasska
        
        From Happychappy’s link:
        
        ….”When contacted, Ardern’s office said the PM wouldn’t be commenting.”…..
        
        That’s just not like PriNZess. No emoting, no feelz, no conversations……not even a cuddle or a buzzword on offer.
        
        She must be coming down with a bug or something!
        
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        April 22, 2019 5:43pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        I could turn up, I do a good imitation of the old guys on the balcony according to the grandkids…
        
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        April 22, 2019 8:43pm
  - alloytoo
    
    They have however made a glaring omission.
    
    Paula Bennett on the cover of one of those pathetic women’s magazine, somebody is going to be in the naughty box.
    
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    April 22, 2019 1:18pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Tony, I think you meant to write:
    
    Between that, and the Stuff story about the playdate with Pink’s children seven months ago, Ardern’s press staff have been working overtime this weekend. How quickly they are working to divert our attention, as they want us to forget Ardern’s CGT flip-flop!
    
    There fixed.
    
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    April 22, 2019 3:53pm
- Overworked
  
  Headline is: “Kiwis praising Jacinda Ardern for Easter post from 2014”.
  
  Jesus wept. (Mod: is it ok to use the shortest verse in the bible at this point?)
  
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  April 22, 2019 12:35pm
  - sooty
    
    You can bet your boots that parliamentry services paid for that rental car. Either directly or on receipt of the invoice. It never came out of her pocket!
    She had a hot date and could not be late!
    
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    April 22, 2019 2:06pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “And Jesus wept”……
    
    There is debate…
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_wept
    
    And if he does exist, I’m sure he would.
    
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    April 22, 2019 3:02pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      And after weeping a little, I suggest he would overturn their tables and remind people that he proposed that we should arm ourselves.
      
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      April 22, 2019 8:44pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    We Love you Jacinda
    
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    April 22, 2019 10:28pm
Ross12

Looks like the comedian, Zelenski, has won the Ukraine elections.
He said during the campaign “I’m not a politician…I’m just a simple person who came to break the system.”
So it seems the elite around the world should start taking more notice because major changes are being demanded by the voters all over.
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April 22, 2019 12:53pm
- kowtow
  
  Seems very shallow and promising the world .
  All sizzle and no sausage?
  
  “Zelenskiy’s election manifesto only hints at what the country can expect if he becomes president. He is promising people the Ukraine of their dreams: a country without corruption, with high salaries and pensions, fast internet and good roads. There should be more “power for the people,” he argues — more referendums, more justice and more security. The war in eastern Ukraine should come to an end, Zelenskiy says, without going into detail about how exactly this can be done. His strategy is clearly to try to please as many voters as possible.”
  
  But I agree with your basic premise , people are getting very fed up with ‘establishment politicians’
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-outshined-poroshenko-on-way-to-victory/a-48418387
  
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  April 22, 2019 1:56pm
sooty

Oh dear! Mike Cullen has realy realy, bad hurty feelings and is having a winge in the newspaper!
Goody, now STFU and pissoff, NZ would like never to hear from you again!
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April 22, 2019 2:02pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Still getting paid no doubt.
  
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  April 22, 2019 3:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A greedy socialist reaping the Capitalist system.
  
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  April 22, 2019 5:37pm
Rachael Membery

I would be quite interested in Muslim gun ownership in NZ.

If Muslims had guns it is unlikely to be for hunting, as the game don’t care where Mecca is.

No way to tell I guess.
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April 22, 2019 2:43pm
- Inandout
  
  Rachel, as is common right around the world, ‘they are being watched’. Something happens and we are then told ‘but they were being observed’.
  
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  April 22, 2019 3:53pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Do you think that Muslims should perhaps face more restrictions under the Arms Act than other people?
  Or are you ‘just asking questions’?
  
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  April 22, 2019 4:35pm
  - srylands
    
    I think only classically liberal atheists should be allowed a firearms licence.
    
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    April 22, 2019 5:42pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I would hope that any applicant who had “radical” ideas would be denied a firearms license regardless of race, religion or colour.
    
    In our area, the screening for a FAL is rigorous with referees being contacted, cohabiters interviewed and storage inspected. I have no issues with any of that but until recently we have had little cause for concern.
    
    The licensing of tarrant just does not ring true with me and I would have preferred that a full investigation was completed before the idiotic legislation that ardern needed to virtue signal how wondrous she is was delayed until then.
    
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    April 22, 2019 6:48pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I’m gonna put it out there: I believe Muslims should face more restrictions under the Arms Act than other people. Because, the Tarrant manifesto is much less violent and calls for much less direct action on a much lower scale, than the Islamic manifesto. So, since “we” can’t be trusted anymore with semiauto’s after the Tarrant manifesto was published… ‘Sauce, goose, gander – some assembly required’ (disclaimer: shamelessly copied from another site)
    
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    April 22, 2019 8:46pm
  - burt
    
    Well if animals need to be killed with a single cut to the throat it’s hard to justify gun ownership.
    
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    April 22, 2019 9:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov was born 149 years ago.

Might be a big celebration next year.
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April 22, 2019 4:23pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, how many times will we hear Comrade Ardern singing the praises of Comrade Lenin, I wonder?
  
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  April 22, 2019 5:21pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The present Vladimir-in-charge will surely oversee a suitable commemoration for his saintly predecessor.
  Will he invite his buddies Kim, Xi Jinping, and Donald though?
  
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  April 22, 2019 5:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ha ha ha.
    
    “No collusion”.
    
    Must stick in your craw eh mikey?
    
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    April 22, 2019 7:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fun for Auckland!!!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n6r9pz5v6dayhq5/Auckland%20Harbour%20Bridge%20Restoration.jpg?dl=0
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April 22, 2019 5:01pm
- simpleton1
  
  There will have to be a minimum speed!
  Not sure whether some vehicles will get up the correct speed. 🙂
  
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  April 22, 2019 5:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I want to see Phil Goff open it and do it first.
    BTW, where is Phil Goff? All the attention has been on the Queen of NZ. Those who are quiet need to be watched
    
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    April 22, 2019 5:41pm
- hullkiwi
  
  No, room for SkyPath there, oh dear, how sad, never mind!
  
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  April 22, 2019 5:24pm
BeaB

I understand the PM of Sri Lanka phoned Jacinda for advice on what he should say and wear after their dreadful attacks. Now she is the world leader on how to behave in these crises.
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April 22, 2019 5:29pm
- nasska
  
  I guess all leaders have their fortes.
  
  Trust our luck to get stuck with one with expertise in dressing up, feelz & choreography.
  
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  April 22, 2019 7:08pm
Suze Wainwright

As long as Jacinda announces an investigation into the outrage, her adoring fans will be assuaged…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12224352
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April 22, 2019 7:21pm
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12223699

Doesn’t this prove Shane Jones is even dumber than he looks?
Why would Alibaba put an international freight centre in a place with nil international links. The only reason would be if Shane has decided to throw a bunch of government money into the mix.
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April 22, 2019 7:48pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  You raise an interesting challenge there. I’m not sure that Shane can be dumber than he looks. And in case someone thinks I am insulting his physiognomy – Why yes, yes I am. Freedom of speech while we still have it. (Plus, my youngest grandchild thinks I look like Peppa’s dad 🙂 Being a pot, I have licence to address the kettle!)
  
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  April 22, 2019 8:48pm
- srylands
  
  “”If they end up in Australia, that’s their choice. If there is some scope for doing something thing in New Zealand in a provincial city such as Palmerston North with NZ Post – I don’t think that’s a bad outcome at all.”
  
  Yes because Palmerston North is the perfect location for an international logistics hub. ?
  
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  April 22, 2019 9:34pm
BrownSnake

We love you Jacinda
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April 22, 2019 8:40pm
MrTips

Not surprisingly, our media have diluted the identity of the Sri Lanka bombers (Stuff named the group but kept the fact they are Muslim out of print, instead they are a “domestic militant group”) https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/112199126/sri-lanka-identifies-group-suspected-in-easter-bombings
or lied about whether the Sri Lankan govt have voiced their opinion on who they are.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12224336

IMO, the biggest current threat to our national wellbeing and freedoms is our media. I agree with Hooton. Our media are a branch of this current govt., not and independent 4th estate.
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