General Debate 21 April 2019

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Tony Stuart

Check out Stuff’s lead story this morning. It’s a story about Neve having a “playdate” with Pink’s kids – in September last year!

I’m sure it’s only a coincidence that a fluff story runs after the PM has been copping it from all and sundry; after all, her press secretaries wouldn’t have that kind of sway with the editors of one of our more significant news outlets – would they?

And to Glen McConnell, author of the story; is that what you thought you’d be doing as a journalist?

(cross-posted from the Garner thread!)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/112078172/pictures-jacinda-ardern-and-pink-organised-play-date-before-pop-stars-nz-show
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April 21, 2019 9:12am
- alien
  
  guess the son had recovered from hand foot and mouth before the play date….
  
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  April 21, 2019 9:53am
- Rich Prick
  
  Just what I needed to know. We are one crisis away from a live broadcast of a nappy change.
  
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  April 21, 2019 9:55am
- dave_c_
  
  If it smells of coercion, corruption, or worse, it probably is.
  Talk about the MSM desertion of their once held craft, one need look no further.
  
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  April 21, 2019 9:57am
- PaulP
  
  It’s a long time since the no photos of Neve stance. Needs must I guess!
  
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  April 21, 2019 10:59am
  - eandlbufe
    
    Who is Neve????
    
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    April 21, 2019 7:39pm
    - PaulP
      
      Neve Te Aroha Ardern Gayford. Not sure what your point is.
      
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      April 22, 2019 10:42am
- kevn
  
  Is Pink an anti-vaccer?
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:18am
  - softail 1450
    
    kevn ,Pink is either with calf again or she’s just becoming a tubbby F—-K,not the best look for a leftie pop icon as they are normally anorexic in mind and body …..
    
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    April 22, 2019 7:25am
- Justitia
  
  Possibly Glenn McConnell the twelve year old who writes Maori grievance columns for the Dompost? He must have been promoted.
  
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  April 21, 2019 2:36pm
Vory v zakone

The brilliant Sara Carter on the Mueller ‘witchhunt’, and what will happen next.
https://saraacarter.com/muellers-report-ends-witchhunt-but-whats-about-to-unfold-is-the-real-story/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Meanwhile this from the NYT. Ouch!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/opinion/barr-media-trump.html#click=https://t.co/A0kRvzJQo8
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April 21, 2019 9:15am
- Inandout
  
  It has virtually killed the US media’s reputations, and CNN in particular. Journalists who once enjoyed a reasonable balance got dragged into their bosses’ anti Trump agenda, but it is now too late to turn back as they see their publications’ demise. I witnessed our media and blogs initially attacking Trump on every level, and thought to myself that there will come a day when they will have to swallow their words. One of the last to continue the TDS is the DomPost, which yesterday had a whole page on the Mueller Report, but concentrating on the negative aspects only (WAPO sourced of course). I feel more sad for our once proud flagship publications as they partake in self destruction.
  
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  April 21, 2019 10:17am
  - MickMac
    
    Inandout.
    We don’t feel sad for the Dompost.
    We are incensed that they are so unprofessional, indeed they are a threat to democracy and a danger to Kiwis.
    We don’t read it anymore and we gave up the subscription.
    
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    April 21, 2019 5:50pm
- freethinker
  
  Hopefully Hilary/Comey and others will be having a Holiday at Gitmo courtesy of the US Taxpayer.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:08am
- Nermal
  
  Don’t you believe it. The left and MSM have smoothly swung from “colluding with the Russians” to “obstruction of justice” , and still calling for impeachment
  
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  April 21, 2019 2:51pm
- eandlbufe
  
  I see a string of dems lining up to take their place in the big house.
  
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  April 21, 2019 7:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How is Jacinda’s lot going to cope now that all the institutional knowledge of Parliament has fled the premises?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112127632/parliamentary-staff-allege-rampant-bullying-at-the-beehive
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April 21, 2019 9:17am
- sooty
  
  Just as well they have the Mallard chasing this story down.
  How’s he going to hide this I wonder?
  Nine years of neglect!
  It’s only National doing it!
  
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  April 21, 2019 9:28am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Mallard overseas on another Taxpayer’s jolly at present ?
    
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    April 21, 2019 12:53pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Were they?
    
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    April 21, 2019 5:08pm
- Tall Man
  
  Come on Maggy, I know you’re probably suffering chocolate bunny overload but….. the coalition has no need of “institutional knowledge”. They have “what’s in it for wynston” to tell them what they need to know and they will hire a whole bunch or adoring acolytes to throw the rose petals and receive photo op hugs on a daily basis.
  
  They have a “library” full of “ardern moments” to release to the press and plenty of l;oyal staff to “mobilise” the “interns” to flood social media and blogs with adoring memes and comments about our great but ignorant leader’s pr girl.
  
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  April 21, 2019 10:13am
  - softail 1450
    
    Tallman “library full of Arderne moments” ,dont forget the ACE in the drawer ,the 2020 engagement
    probably around February and the crowning glory wedding around August,and hey presto another 3 years of [Mod; deleted] running our country into the ground…..
    
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    April 22, 2019 7:35am
- alwyn
  
  I have only glanced through that story but it seems to me to be a bit unfair to the Government. The headline uses the word Beehive and not the more general term Parliament
  The story is about Parliament as a whole surely and not just the Beehive which is mostly the Cabinet Offices.
  Trevor might be in the firing line since Parliamentary Services report to him but I don’t think it is purely a Government problem.
  
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  April 21, 2019 10:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    From the little I know, Parliament in general has been a pretty shitty place for many to work for many years. Working directly for politicians, with some of the associated pressures, has become a license for some (politicians, political advisors, and public servants) to embrace an abusive culture.
    
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    April 21, 2019 11:16am
- freethinker
  
  You only have to look at the Toxic Cullen & Ardern to work out just how nasty & obnoxious so many in the Beehive really are – I believe the Kremlin under Stalin had similar characteristics – could there be a connection with the commie chic?
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:12am
  - Rob2
    
    you mean like this?
    
    https://www.prageru.com/video/why-isnt-communism-as-hated-as-nazism/
    
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    April 21, 2019 6:19pm
- Liberty
  
  Its Mallard department and he leads by example.
  His treatment of National MPs is reminiscent
  Of a 3rd form bully.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:16am
- cmm
  
  Remember she told us….
  
  She had great inchewishun,
  
  Who needs staff or advisors?
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:02pm
  - sooty
    
    Yep and she gets her infomation off the 6 o’clock news, becauses it all true!
    
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    April 21, 2019 12:41pm
Yvette

Now the Capital Gains Tax is dismissed in another Ardern “captain’s call”, can we hope that this supporting cultural appropriation is down the drain too? –

From Future of Tax, Final Report Volume I, Recommendations :
Te Ao Māori perspectives on wellbeing and living standards
7. The Group has also been working with Māori academics and experts to develop a framework that draws on principles from Te Ao Māori, the Living Standards Framework and the principles of tax policy design, to arrive at a more holistic view of wellbeing.

9. He Ara Waiora draws on four tikanga principles: manaakitanga (care and respect); kaitiakitanga (stewardship/guardianship); whanaungatanga (the relationships/connections between us); and ōhanga/whairama (prosperity). These principles support the preservation and sustainable development of the four capitals of the Living Standards Framework.

15. The process around He Ara Waiora is only just beginning. The Group looks forward to seeing how this work influences policy over time.

If the Capital Gains Tax is krap, what of the thinking that supposedly supported it?
Is this exploitation of tikanga principles just shallow unprincipled state cultural appropriation, or some form of colonial appeasement – dressing stuff up so it is a little longer than just a slogan?

What right has one culture to attempt to take such principles from another culture and apply them to a failure that smears them with that failure?

Is this all to be regurgitated and expanded on in the Wellbeing Budget, in the hope we didn’t actually read it in advocating the failed Capital Gains Tax recommendations?

Watch this space – ( to use a cheap bumper sticker slogan )
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April 21, 2019 9:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I damn well hope the tragic case of the Tokoroa man is not an exemplar of how He Ara Wairoa is to operate.
  Because all 4 tikanga principles were operating:
  He was in care
  There was a guardianship relationship
  He was whanau
  And somebody was prospering.
  Tokoroa couple admit starving man with cerebral palsy before he died
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12223108
  
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  April 21, 2019 9:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    Who would downtick this factual comment?
    
    Why don’t you show a bit of courage and engage with argument why this factual account deserves your bitter downtick?
    
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    April 21, 2019 10:16am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Fundamentally because it’s nonsense. The taxing of Maori Authorities and charities is already really generous relative to the Pakeha community.
      
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      April 21, 2019 12:09pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So why did you downtick the comment?
        
        It was accurate and expansive.
        
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        April 21, 2019 5:03pm
  - Northland Wahine
    
    There’s something to be said for utu. I hope this couple get what they deserve
    
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    April 21, 2019 10:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Utu doesn’t interest me and doesn’t solve the problem at the core of this matter.
      
      Where were the Professionals (Social Services/ Whanau health authorities/Police) in this matter?
      
      Why wasn’t this poor man being checked regularly by professionals?
      Why were 20 broken ribs not noted until autopsy?
      Why were bedsores not noted until autopsy?
      Why were the fractures on his pelvis and vertebrae not noticed until autopsy?
      How could this monstrous episode go on for 2 years?
      
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      April 21, 2019 11:18am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Simple. Money.
        
        When the unfortunate was offered care elsewhere and the loving caring brother realised that his $265.00 (or whatever) P, fag, booze, tat subsidy would stop, he vetoed the move and took bro’ home in his remake of his version of True Detective series 1 (best ever!)
        
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        April 21, 2019 11:51am
      - cmm
        
        Well we all know don’t we.
        
        All these organisations (including child protection) are falling over themselves to “improve” the number of Maori people in Maori care.
        
        Hence when the family/care situation looks dodgy, they are very reluctant to intervene.
        
        This puts the goals of meeting such numbers ahead of the goals the organisations should have: care and safety of the vulnerable.
        
        Poor outcomes are expected.
        
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        April 21, 2019 12:07pm
- dave_c_
  
  Indeed Yvette.
  So, As I suspected, not one indication that any of that tax take would benefit me as an ageing, white and privileged male !
  
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  April 21, 2019 10:00am
- Liberty
  
  Now the Capital Gains Tax is dismissed in another Ardern “captain’s call”
  
  Arden says while she is PM
  You have to read between the lines.
  So is CGT still on the table and is Dear leader going to do a runner ?
  With time and God not on Winston’s side the odds on being in parliament next
  Next term is not high. It is still possible NZF to return after all there will
  Always be a few politically challenged, racist bigots.
  Without Winston doubt they would have the fortitude to say no to the Marxist infested labour/Greens.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:01am
  - MickMac
    
    a vote for NZF is a vote for Labour-Greens.
    
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    April 21, 2019 5:54pm
Happychappy

Jacinda and Grant will be highly pissed off with the poll result on the wanted changing of the ChristChurch rugby franchise name the Crusaders, the people have told them they do not want a name change with a emphatic vote.
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April 21, 2019 9:28am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Nothing a captains call can’t fix!
  
  Let’s [] this! Comrades
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:52am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Why do the mods take out the word fuck but happily allow c**t yesterday.
    
    Asking for a friend, clairty.
    
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    April 21, 2019 4:10pm
- Tricati
  
  Yep, no public mandate for CGT, and now no public support for Crusaders name change – They are not winning much public support of late so won’t be having a happy Easter
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:16pm
  - sooty
    
    Steve Trew will have his knickers in a bunch after promising Cindy there will be a name change!
    
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    April 21, 2019 12:45pm
    - MickMac
      
      Steve Tew, what a political arsehole!
      Arrogant twit.
      I would have thought the views of All those who come and pay for the games mattered most.
      
      no, Steve knows best……
      
      He and Adhern are peas in a pod.
      
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      April 21, 2019 5:58pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Happychappy
  This kowtowing to Islam is sickening. The Crusades are more relevant now than ever, as they were a response to 400 years of Islamic expansion, conquest and aggression in the Mediterranean area. If they are offended by Western history and the consequences of their own history, then you know what they can do. The problem is, self-reflection is not a concept in the Islamic world, which is why they never pay any reparations to various groups for past acts – they tell them to get stuffed. Unlike the Western ethic, where our tendency for (excessive) self-reflection is used against us to guilt us into bending over for our past misdemeanours, real or imagined.
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:47pm
Southern Raider

The most caring Govt ever making massive cuts to support for the disabled

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12223776

In English we had full transparency on what money was being spent, targets for performance etc

Under the most transparent Govt ever we have all targets removed, reporting stopped and especially in Health constant removal of services from children through to the disabled
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April 21, 2019 9:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  We know what happened to disabled people in the old Soviet Union, don’t we?
  It’s all part of the plan, one little step at a time.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:00am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Seems cynical especially during the Euthanasia debate.
    
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    April 21, 2019 4:38pm
- harvey wilson
  
  Uday Clark is shaping up to be the worst health minister in a generation.
  
  Not a word from the greens either, Mojo Mathers piled into national when they extended funding and said it was ridiculous that it had taken so long to fund two implants. Not a word from anyone in the party when it was cut back to one .
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:51am
- kowtow
  
  That can’t be right ….
  
  ……we’re getting a well being budget or some such.
  
  Who buys this feel good bullshit ?
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:18pm
Happychappy

I see Newshub must be pissed off with all the bad press Jacinda is getting so have a story by Toby Manhire on the first fisherman to take the heat off his partner.
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April 21, 2019 9:42am
- RF
  
  Happychappy.
  
  Diversion tactics in place as Ardern has been getting richly deserved bad press.
  
  What’s next ?
  
  A hint of an engagement ?
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:05pm
- gravedodger
  
  The old speed reading trap eh.
  The scan to read it or not said:
  Jacinda, Manhire, First fisherman beat his partner, subliminal eh after all he would know, both “Him and him.
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:11pm
  - sooty
    
    Is the boyfriend taking out Toby Manhire in the boat fishing?
    In pay back for a bloated article!
    
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    April 21, 2019 12:50pm
Pateke

I wonder if the backdown on CGT was partly to do with the power of the Maori caucus. By my reckoning it could bring down the government if it felt strongly enough on Maori issues. One of those has surely been the call from treaty settlement tribes for relief from any application of CGT to capital gains on Maori organisation profits. Irrespective of the merits of the arguement ( and there are some) perhaps the tribal strength persuaded Ardern that she was on a hiding to nothing internally within the party.
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April 21, 2019 9:45am
- gravedodger
  
  No chance what so ever this crowd of incompetents will bring the CoL down.
  
  The only one with that power to hand is the Dwarf and this time they need him so tossing his toys and walking just wont happen.
  First time he walked the Nats did not need his one vote, the second the ‘Tight five’ stayed on and then Helen didnt need him.
  The only option this time would be for the Labour party to find its cojones, and that would need some leadership well beyond that available
  Any such thought would need someone with integrity, where would that have been put in the chaotic setting up of Winston First administration.
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:21pm
  - sooty
    
    Labour find its cojones!
    You have to be joking!
    Looking at their line up, there no one capable, if they are not girls already, then they will be first in line for a sex change!
    What they need is Crusher going toe to toe with precious little Cindy.
    That would make her run of to kindy!
    
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    April 21, 2019 1:01pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Any of the National front bench are capable of squashing her like a bug but they would immediately become the primary target for the media and why wear a target on your back when you can just poke the “bear” from time to time and watch them implode.
      
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      April 21, 2019 4:54pm
artemisia

And on the wider issue of care for the vulnerable-

Health bosses planned to limit showers and meals for the disabled, create long wait lists for specialist care, and refuse help for autistic children as part of a desperate cost-saving bid.

There is not unlimited funding available in a small country at the bottom of the world. Shroud waving by organisations who want more taxpayer money is not exactly a reasoned budget approach.

Perhaps the shroud wavers should have lobbied harder for a CGT.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12223776
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April 21, 2019 9:48am
- freethinker
  
  There was sufficient money to look after the guy, water is free. This couple are evil.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    They were waiting for “maori medicine to kick in.
    
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    April 21, 2019 4:52pm
- cmm
  
  Agreed there is not unlimited funding available.
  
  But there would be a heck of a lot more funding available if we were not handing out lollies all over the pacific and to Jones’ coffers.
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:09pm
  - alwyn
    
    They need the money for far more important things. They want a $100 million for a walkway cum cycleway from Ngauranga to Petone.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111987243/nzta-approves-funding-for-shared-walkway-and-cycleway-between-petone-and-ngauranga
    They will probably have about 50 cyclists a day in summer and perhaps 10 masochists in winter.
    As for walkers I would think about 10/month would be about it. It is 6 km long, so it will take about 2 hours, and about all you can do at Ngauranga is be collected by a car or walk for another hour into the city.
    Far more important than helping the disabled though isn’t it?
    
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    April 21, 2019 3:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      It’s irrelevant how many would or wouldn’t use it.
      
      The money is desperately needed elsewhere. These projects should be regarded as “luxury projects” and only undertaken when everything else is up to speed.
      
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      April 21, 2019 4:51pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  BUT BUT the last govt. did fund these things and
  Got a surplus
  tax cuts
  nearly 4% unemployment and falling
  over 3% growth
  etc etc
  
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  April 21, 2019 2:55pm
oob

Yep.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112127579/i-downloaded-the-christchurch-mosque-shooters-manifesto-that-makes-me-a-criminal
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April 21, 2019 9:51am
- sooty
  
  Bet the police do not come for him!
  He’s a journalist!
  
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  April 21, 2019 1:03pm
- The King
  
  I hope all 7 of them plead not guilty and piss out 10 million of taxpayers money then take the Chief Censor to the human rights commission.
  
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  April 21, 2019 2:23pm
Albert_Ross

Any Wellingtonian kiwibloggers about this morning? What are your thoughts about the proposed Shelly Bay development? As a bit of a fan of Peter Jackson as a film maker I am disappointed and dismayed at the negative and un-constructive way he’s chosen to involve himself
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April 21, 2019 9:55am
- srylands
  
  I have not followed closely. But to point out the obvious, it is a wonderful location that is currently a shit heap. And I understand some folk are happy for it to stay that way. If it is the RMA that is enabling that, it is yet another example of the need for reform.
  
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  April 21, 2019 10:54am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Yes, it absolutely is a wonderful location that is currently a shit heap. And Peter Jackson is one of those who is trying to prevent a proposal to rescue it from being a shit heap. I am not sure why a fair number of people are agreeing with you and not with me.
    
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    April 21, 2019 6:04pm
- dave_c_
  
  If only a minute portion that Jackson is communicating to us (the general public) is true (and I believe a large part of it is), then we should all be concerned, no, ouraged at the way Council panders to the developer fraternity.
  Jackson has no selfish axe to grind – I applaud his boldness in speaking out – God knows many more of us should also be.
  The smell of corruption permeates all sectors.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:15am
  - Durden
    
    You don’t think King Jackson is simply fighting off an encroachment on his personal fiefdom – the Miramar peninsula ?
    
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    April 21, 2019 4:41pm
alien

A sad story. Those who decided this was a good idea should hand in their notice and leave

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12223776

“Health bosses planned to limit showers and meals for the disabled, create long wait lists for specialist care, and refuse help for autistic children as part of a desperate cost-saving bid.

Documents obtained by the Herald on Sunday reveal the “ruthless” cuts disability funding agencies offered to make after a $100m sector overspend this year – suggestions so appalling a national rollout was eventually stopped.

However, advocates, providers and their disabled clients say the cuts – designed to save $10m by June, and $20 million each year after – are now simply happening by stealth instead.”
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April 21, 2019 10:07am
- Happychappy
  
  But David Clark is supposed to be the saviour of the Health System and they say said National’s Johnathon Colman was arrogant and would not listen what a bunch of hypocrites the Coalition have turned out to be. No plan won’t listen and bone lazy without the knowledge and ability to fix it.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:16am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s not just disabilities that are being defunded. In Christchurch in recent months me and my family have had several turned away letters from the hospital for expected professional attention. That has never happened previously when doctors requested such.
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:19pm
  - alien
    
    yeah, my doctor has said they are getting letters daily pushing people off the waiting list.
    
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    April 21, 2019 12:46pm
  - RF
    
    My GP has advised that if you are aged over 70 and have private medical insurance you should keep it going.
    
    There used to be a cut off for non urgent specialist care etc when you hit 75 in the Public health system. Now it’s quietly going down to 70. They will still look after you but the level of care is reduced.
    
    This relates to blood tests, scans, hip / knee operations etc….
    
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    April 21, 2019 2:22pm
    - kevn
      
      @RF…. This from the ‘KINDNESS’ crowd?
      
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      April 21, 2019 3:08pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Have the govt gone agesist? Pensioners and others reliant on the state for support should have the expectation of non-discrimination,
      
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      April 21, 2019 6:40pm
- kowtow
  
  Cuts , stealth ?
  
  Surely not .
  
  This is the most open , transparent , transformational , inclusive , loving, gubmint evah !
  
  It’s got to be , Fortune Mag says so ……
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:22pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  and you thought “back to the future” was fiction.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10421381
  
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  April 21, 2019 3:22pm
All_on_Red

Funny AOC parody
https://mobile.twitter.com/culttture/status/1119699758954586113
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April 21, 2019 10:15am
- Tall Man
  
  Maybe we could let a few kids vote………..well maybe just this one.
  
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  April 21, 2019 10:22am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Love it
  She counts on her fingers and still
  “she’s 29”
  the world will end in 12 yrs
  and is still only 37 when that happens
  Sounds like AOC to me.
  
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  April 21, 2019 3:25pm
Maggie Pie

🙂 🙂 🙂

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4mO5X2XsAAKNL6.jpg
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April 21, 2019 10:17am
dcrown

OMG They’re already proposing to stick a Minaret on the Notre Dame rebulid!?

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/04/20/modern-architects-want-glass-roof-steel-spire-minaret-notre-dame/

This is what happens when you give cultural Marxists an inch …
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April 21, 2019 10:25am
- mikenmildagain
  
  BZZZT!!! (((cultural Marxists)))!!!
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:18am
Komata

But Maggie, you’re not supposed to ask such things, since ‘Maori ‘culture and ‘traditional medicine’ is so all full of sweetness, light and superiority to be absolutely better than ANYTHING that the evil whitey has to offer.

If only that were true…
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April 21, 2019 10:26am
All_on_Red

One of the best Press Conferences you will ever see.
Sargon Akkad at UKIP
https://mobile.twitter.com/lucyfrown/status/1119573450987847681
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April 21, 2019 10:28am
- oob
  
  That is pure brilliance.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:33am
Fletch

Comments I heard on a podcast summarized –

The president obstructed justice? A crime he didn’t commit, but he tried to cover it up? He tried to obstruct a crime he didn’t commit? He knew he didn’t commit it, but he tried to obstruct justice anyway. A crime they also know, and knew, he didn’t commit. If Trump wanted Mueller fired, he would have been fired. Presidents give orders and people follow them. If they don’t follow them then other people will. There was nothing illegal about the order. He had every right to fire Mueller if he wanted to. But now because his advisors gave him advice and he took that advice, that it’s somehow obstruction of justice because in his heart, he thought those things, therefore it’s obstruction of justice. He didn’t carry it out, but he thought about it, so it’s the same thing… You’re still guilty of doing it, even if you hadn’t done it. Ridiculous.
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April 21, 2019 10:41am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Welcome to the world of the woke thinking, the democrats, the fascists.
  
  Rosy and logical ain’t it!
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:02pm
- gravedodger
  
  Only one uptick each alas, you could have also mentioned another ground breaker in that Trump endured all that crap and never used the available “Executive privilege” the nearest to that he came was his refusing to go into their hall of mirrors to give oral testimony, poor old General Flynn did and the bastards tripped him on “false testimony” not so hard as it turned out.
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:28pm
Fletch

Mark Levin on fire over the Mueller report – Volume two is nothing but an “op-ed”…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKLhHDO3uR8
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April 21, 2019 10:44am
kevn

The ‘kind’ government is shafting the folk who need help.
Even the NZ Herald is onto this. Ruthless plans to cut care for the disabled.
CoL waste billions instead.
No need to list the waste, we all know.
Sorry NZ.
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April 21, 2019 10:45am
- The King
  
  In 1921, messengers representing starving European peasants asked Trotsky for help. He said this: “You are starving? This is not famine yet. When your women start eating their children, then you may come and say we are starving.”
  
  The year is 2019 and next year is 1920.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:35am
Hugh Pavletich

… Just incredible …

… Contrasting performances – Christchurch Motorways Projects – Auckland Rail Project …

… No comment required … just draw your own conclusions …

New motorways soon to transform Canterbury driving habits | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/111266627/new-motorways-soon-to-transform-canterbury-driving-habits#comments

… and …

Auckland City Rail Link: Phil Twyford blamed for ‘biggest project blowout’ … Newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/auckland-city-rail-link-phil-twyford-blamed-for-biggest-project-blowout.html
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April 21, 2019 10:50am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … Why have Kiwi politicians, like dim-witted sheep, followed their Aussie counterparts in to these rail inevitable failure fiascos
  
  Google Search ‘Australian Rail Costs Blowouts’ …
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=i627XOPJJ8m1rQGfuo3QBQ&q=australian+rail+costs+blowouts&btnK=Google+Search&oq=australian+rail+costs+blowouts&gs_l=psy-ab.3…
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:48am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Hugh, you are not philu in disguise by any chance?
  
  … eh …?
  
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  April 21, 2019 12:23pm
  - sooty
    
    Hugh, do you have multiple personalities to up tick your self?
    Because you do not have many friends!
    
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    April 21, 2019 1:08pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      There are truly massive changes underway guys. Do you understand them ? …
      
      Miserable end to summer for the housing market, especially in Auckland where March sales volumes were down 18% compared to March last year … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/99106/miserable-end-summer-housing-market-especially-auckland-where-march-sales-volumes
      
      The housing market appears to have had a miserable end to summer with the number of sales in March slumping by 12.9% compared to March last year, according to the latest data from the Real Estate Institute of NZ. … read more via hyperlink above …
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      .
      … as new housing production lifts … allowing the more efficient new housing production industry to be restored (the United States, Canada and Australia maintained theirs all along) … and the grossly inefficient and costly cottage building industry to retreat …
      
      New dwelling consents are particularly strong in Auckland led by growth in apartments … Interest Co NZ
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/98879/new-dwelling-consents-are-particularly-strong-auckland-led-growth-apartments
      
      The construction industry’s grumpiness may be the result of a forced shift in focus towards more affordable housing, says Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/99009/construction-industrys-grumpiness-may-be-result-forced-shift-focus-towards-more
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      … The political direction is clear …
      
      New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat
      
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      April 21, 2019 3:34pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “wolf…wolf…wolf….”
        
        Go away sonny.
        
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        April 21, 2019 4:46pm
Happychappy

Same as yesterday Hugh do the Coalition pay you daily or weekly to produce the same news every day.
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April 21, 2019 11:20am
- sooty
  
  It’s always the same old shit from Hughie!
  
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  April 21, 2019 4:56pm
Prince

There I was thinking there was a coalition Govt between Labour/NZ First and (sort of) Greens.
They looked at CGT and decided “no, not now, not ever”.
But no, apparently it’s all National’s fault again according to David Slack.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/112097456/god-will-continue-to-defend-our-taxpayers-and-property-investors-after-cgt-decision
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April 21, 2019 11:27am
- Tall Man
  
  Slack by name, slack by nature.
  
  Lazy opinion piece, no research and no facts.
  
  Nothing but a “plea” for selfies…….
  
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  April 21, 2019 4:45pm
Paulus Gnome

Turns out that the long held belief that New Zealand is an egalitarian society where everybody has a fair suck of the sav and a chance to rise above the herd is available for all.

I am referring to the wanker who has kicked the side of my C63 this morning in Browns Bay

I hope your Mazda familia breaks down in Otara and you realise that you ‘don’t fit in there’ either.

Sorry, my bad, should have posted this on the standard as the tosspot who did this out of envy I suspect, is more likely to be there (I would hope so in any event)
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April 21, 2019 11:34am
- geoff3012
  
  I keep my E63 in my garage…..been coined before by some aresole wank.
  
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  April 21, 2019 7:26pm
Yvette

Jacinda Ardern on the first Newshub Nation of the year
Capital gains tax –
Newshub: So … you’re not going to reveal your position until you’ve reached consensus with your partners.
Ardern: Yes.
Newshub: That’s two months away. Are you concerned that this is creating uncertainty?
Ardern: No. It’s a debate.

But about what? And between whom? Oddly, not with Jacinda or Labour.
Labour obviously has a position, as mentioned above, but it was not to be revealed, because –
With support partner the Green Party already on side, Ms Ardern said it’s her job to get NZ First across the line too. “My job is consensus building.”

So the great-unwashed populace “are having a debate”, but without any specific points confirmed as worth discussing, so, as outspoken opponents who have “columns in the Herald” have been dismissed by Jacinda, the rest of us – without guidance to the position she is yet to convince Winston of – were just wasting our time.

And, in this year of delivery, there are about another 130 working parties preparing to report back. Will they all be subjected to a similar vacuous debates?

And in a context of empathy and compassion, just how fairly do you think those near the end of the list will be treated?

Jacinda’s first year seems to have been all talk – mostly bumper sticker slogan talk
But this is the year of delivery, she says … and says … and so far it is still all talk – well, the stuff which hasn’t been ditched … yet.

Perhaps Newshub could ask again, “Are you concerned that this is creating uncertainty?”
How certain do we feel now about the up-coming delivery on mental health issues?
A little depressed or even anxious?
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April 21, 2019 11:35am
- The Heat
  
  It’s bad enough that we have a bumper slogan supplier as government, but what is more depressing is half the population fall for this, over and over again.
  
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  April 21, 2019 1:05pm
  - tf78
    
    Stupid is as stupid does.
    
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    April 21, 2019 5:25pm
Maggie Pie

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you would think in this day and age the delerte function would work!
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April 21, 2019 12:03pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  You would think that in this day and age it would take less than three hours to get a very innocent comment out of moderation.
  And still waiting…………
  
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  April 21, 2019 2:05pm
- Yvette
  
  Maggie, did you want to delerte “delerte”, or the whole damn thing?
  Jacinda has the same delerte problem: a “captain’s call’
  But that usually is just a divertion – kicking the can down the road –
  rather than a full delertion.
  
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  April 21, 2019 3:07pm
kowtow

Oops, someone didn’t get the memo from police hqs about surrendering firearms to keep everyone safe.

And is an “active area” a euphemism for shithole ?

‘One neighbour said the crescent was an “active” area, where people regularly rode dirt bikes up and down the street.’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/112176931/one-person-shot-at-aucklands-clover-park
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April 21, 2019 12:38pm
- Tall Man
  
  Well they’ll certainly get the “hurty face” selfie very very soon.
  
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  April 21, 2019 4:41pm
ducklin71

” Phil Twyford blamed for ‘biggest project blowout”
Tywford is the anti- King Midas. Everything he touches turns to sh*t, not gold.
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April 21, 2019 12:45pm
alien

ah, you can tell not passing the CGT has had ot bring out the damage contorl. First a story about Pink and the PM having a play date, and now a post from 5 years ago has “gone viral”. I guess we can expect more fluff to cover up the fact that we have a useless PM and government. If Key was in government and all these screw up were going on the media and john campbell would be going crazy.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12224113
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April 21, 2019 2:15pm
- PaulDunmore
  
  This just in from North Korea: Kim wants his sycophants back.
  
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  April 21, 2019 3:51pm
- tf78
  
  If Key was in government these screw ups wouldn’t be happening.
  
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  April 21, 2019 5:27pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Or Bill English, or dare I say Simon Bridges.
    
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    April 22, 2019 3:58am
stigie

“delerte function” ? Is this some new sexual toy or a new function from the snowflakes to see if we should be offended by fuck all..?
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April 21, 2019 2:20pm
kowtow

New Zealand’s revenge for the ahem , unruly tourists .

‘A travelling troupe of Irish dancers has had all its costumes stolen in an overnight theft in Christchurch’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/irish-dance-troupes-costumes-stolen-christchurch
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April 21, 2019 2:55pm
Lee C

Someone will have to suffer for Ardern’s capitulation.
Someone in her caucus will have to take a bullet very soon, as she seeks to ‘communicate’ that she does have ‘big girl knickers’.
She will seek to change the conversation to one of her ‘leadership’ credentials, and I’m guessing Twyford will be sacrificed on the altar.
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April 21, 2019 3:21pm
- alien
  
  she could show true leadership and quit
  
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  April 21, 2019 3:43pm
- sooty
  
  Nah! Iain Lees Gallaway will get chop for exposing the drug problem!
  
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  April 21, 2019 4:48pm
Happychappy

The CGT debacle has left Jacinda worried about her need for good headlines, so she has decided to repost a text from 2014 to get more attention.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12224113
She will try anything to create attention.
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April 21, 2019 3:43pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Did she pay for the gas for someone in front of her at Taupo by chance?
  
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  April 21, 2019 4:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    No cameras….
    
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    April 21, 2019 4:38pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Why has gas gone up, by the way?
    
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    April 21, 2019 5:15pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Prices have gotten completely out of hand under this goverment Rach!
      Its reached the stage now where i think twice about getting in the bath in case the soap goes up.
      
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      April 21, 2019 7:05pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Goes up where?
        
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        April 21, 2019 11:23pm
    - alien
      
      this made me laugh
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2019/04/americans-lose-their-minds-as-petrol-prices-climb-to-about-half-what-new-zealanders-pay.html
      
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      April 21, 2019 9:25pm
- MrTips
  
  Lol. IMO, Labour and the Greens, but in particular Ardern, decided back in 2017 that social media and spamming Stuff was a good idea. The strategy was to create a fake wave of support by having paid supporters to make multiple accounts and create fake fans.
  
  Boucher, Crewdson and co at Stuff obviously are on board, because socialism, feelz and X chromosomes. Now it’s time for rehash and more paid, fake online supporters.
  
  It appears like that to me at least.
  
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  April 21, 2019 4:28pm
- Tall Man
  
  Dear jacinda, so pleased that you are so concerned by the appalling wait for cancer treatment at most DHBs in NZ that you have elected to repost a twitter turd from when you were just a lazy nobody.
  
  We are so pleased that you have had the courage to admit to New Zealand that the firearms ballsup that allowed someone you have “bestowed” voldemort status upon was initiated by your very self in December 2018 when you signed off on the decision to allow licensed firearms purchasers to purchase the really really bad military style rig=fle without presenting both himself and the firearm to the local police.
  
  Hang on, you didn’t have the courage to own up to that because it lets New Zealanders see that you really haven’t got a bloody clue.
  
  Payback 2020
  
  Disgruntled tax payer
  
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  April 21, 2019 4:36pm
  - alien
    
    huh? What do you mean from when she was a lazy nobody. She still is a lazy nobody
    
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    April 21, 2019 5:28pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Sorry, you’re right…flagellation later…..
      
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      April 21, 2019 8:35pm
- tf78
  
  People have short memories you know. The COL must be feeling desperate.
  I might go into the barf bag business.
  
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  April 21, 2019 5:35pm
Durden

DPF and the Mods, Why do you allow this excessive daily link-whoring by this Pavletich fella?

He contributes nothing to the General Debate other than pumping his own professional agenda.
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[All within DPF’s rules as far as we can tell. “link-whoring” is not on the list of things we are told to do anything about.]
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April 21, 2019 4:47pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Hugh is well aware of property price movements and can be informative.
  
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  April 21, 2019 5:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nothing like the “property press”……
    
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    April 21, 2019 8:32pm
The King

Dozens of explosions in Churches and hotels Easter Sunday in Sri Lanka possibly 100 dead.

Ill take a guess.. .renovations?
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April 21, 2019 5:07pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  The perps will all be lone wolves.What we must avoid at all costs as any backlash if they have any relationship at all to any religious philosophy. If their religious book contains any instructions to kill those who do not believe, Don’t believe those instructions mean what they say. Leave some flowers and candles at the site of the bombings. Under no circumstances go looking for any focus of violent preaching at any site of worship of the perpetrators. It’s not a difficult script, the Flying Spaghetti Monster Knows how well practised the West (& many countries in the East) has beenAt rolling out the script after every instance of lone- wolf completely-unrelated random-nonsectarian mass violence against Christians.
  
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  April 21, 2019 9:14pm
  - The King
    
    Ah you’ve been taught well – the media.
    
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    April 22, 2019 12:11am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112144040/fibre-install-nightmare-with-chorus

She is either after her 15 mins of “fame” or some sort of refund from Chorus / whatever.
Or both.
And this teeny-weeny consumer problem makes the front page of what purports to be the premier website in NZ ?

Really?
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April 21, 2019 5:08pm
softail 1450

That darned peaceful religion at it again,they cant have had enough “loving embraces and inclusiveness”…..
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April 21, 2019 5:46pm
- The King
  
  I expect the NZ muslim community will have a 2 minute Christian prayer of silence.
  
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  April 21, 2019 5:56pm
  - RF
    
    I’m waiting for a response from Ardern. Hopefully condemning the terrorist attack.
    
    Maybe she waiting for instructions from Peters….
    
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    April 21, 2019 7:51pm
    - RF
      
      Over 3 hours in moderation must be a record.
      
      Pointless contributing on this site.
      
      I leave with a clean record to where my comments are at least responded to…..
      
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      April 21, 2019 11:04pm
- rangitoto
  
  They need to ban automatic guns. Oh it was bombs.
  
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  April 21, 2019 7:05pm
  - The King
    
    Time to ban fertilizer, to many White racist farmers out there.
    
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    April 21, 2019 7:18pm
- simpleton1
  
  Looking like about 160 killed
  Over 500 injured.
  Bukhari (4.52.220) goes as follows: Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), …..
  
  Hotels and Churches, to affect religion and the economy.
  
  It seemed a nice place when it was known as Ceylon.
  Then it became Sri Lanka that seemed to go into a 20 year war.
  Now another reason for a war.
  So who will suppose to take in the next round of refugees.
  
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  April 21, 2019 9:09pm
- simpleton1
  
  Possibly some returning ISIS
  
  The attacks at the Shangri La hotel and the Batticalao Church appear to be the handiwork of a suicide bomber. The initial impressions also indicate that RDX [high explosive] could have been used in the attack and hence the impact was so high.
  
  Over 160 people have been killed in the blasts that took place in Sri Lanka today. Reports suggest that the suicide bombers have been identified as Zahran Hashim and Abu Mohammad. …..
  
  …. the attack comes 10 days after a warning was issued about Churches being attacked in the country.
  
  A message received by the police on April 11 stated that 11 Churches would be attacked. …..
  http://newshub.lk/en/2019/04/21/colombo-bombings-have-signature-of-islamic-state-indian-media/
  
  The Buddhist know they may also be targeted at another time.
  
  A totally heartless prophet that uses abrogation, to bait and switch to play peace, then terror control.
  
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  April 21, 2019 10:10pm
softail 1450

Only 128 comments??? there was a time when Trev & Septicboy would post that many in a day between them ,WTF has happened to those two wags??
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April 21, 2019 6:01pm
- nasska
  
  Ztev & stephieboy were rank amateurs. Go back to the time of PhilU, Shawn Hall & Redbaiter.
  
  Seventy comments each per day was nothing & every one of them incrementally reduced the sum of human knowledge. 🙂
  
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  April 21, 2019 6:28pm
- Cobolt24
  
  Stephie was banned for two months but despite being unblocked a few days ago, he hasn’t resurfaced yet.
  
  Ztev came back and is still around but, not that often. Here’s a comment from a month ago I found: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/03/party_leaders_on_the_attack.html/comment-page-1
  
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  April 21, 2019 7:41pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    No, ztev came back from a lengthy ban, and was very soon banned again.
    
    ztev – 1st strike – 10/12/16, 2nd strike – 4/4/17, 3rd strike – 12/4/17, 4th strike – 27/5/17, 5th strike – 14/7/17, 6th strike – 22/9/17, 7th strike – 6/3/18, 8th strike – 01/08/2018, 9th strike 21/3/19,
    
    Strike 9 is a one-year ban!
    
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    April 21, 2019 11:11pm
Maggie Pie

My partner has just read a sceintific report where stidies show Dolphins are now considered to be the second most intelligent animals in the world behind man.
He reckons this must put woman in third place.
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April 21, 2019 6:24pm
- nasska
  
  Fourth! He didn’t differentiate between male & female dolphins. 🙂
  
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  April 21, 2019 7:07pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Nasska,At last some real old fashioned KB humour,,,just a few months ago this blog featured some funny buggers from both sides of the political isle ,now ,not so much ……..
    
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    April 22, 2019 7:15am
- Rachael Membery
  
  sounds like he needs to be put in his, but i am sure you have the matter well in hand.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:19pm
Lee C

nasska – go further back to RogerNome now he was a troll!
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April 21, 2019 7:54pm
- nasska
  
  Or Robert Guyton, aka greenfly. DPF banned him for 20 years at one point.
  
  But I really used to enjoy wet Saturday afternoons on Kiwiblog GB. Reid would be advancing his latest conspiracy theory while Redbaiter abused the “progs” with KrisK humped his leg in the manner of a sex starved pomeranian encouraging him with “you tell them Red”. D4J would be laying into the Police & Family Courts.
  
  There were a few others of the rabid right but they left & joined Keith on Crusader Rabbit & Adolf with his fellow nuts on Nominister. Those who were really fucked in the head gathered around Baity on Trueblue.
  
  Wonderful days……I fear we’ll never see the like of them again 🙂
  
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  April 21, 2019 8:14pm
Rich Prick

Quick Saint Cindy! Get your Rosary Breads and hit Shri Lanka. No?
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April 21, 2019 10:08pm
- simpleton1
  
  Veils, coifs (the cap worn under the veil), wimples, rosaries, tunics, medals,and sandals.
  https://www.wired.com/2016/12/nun-fashion-way-fascinating-realize/
  All the accessories to look the part.
  
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  April 21, 2019 10:15pm
- simpleton1
  
  So the intelligence systems had figured it was inspired by Mohammad’s deeds, actions, sayings and guidance.
  
  “A foreign intelligence agency has reported that the NTJ (National Thowheeth Jama’ath) is planning to carry out suicide attacks targeting prominent churches as well as the Indian high commission in Colombo,” said the alert.
  
  * NTJ is a radical Muslim group in Sri Lanka that came to notice last year when it was linked to the vandalization of Buddhist statues
  
  Read more at:
  //economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/68973838.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
  
  The truth of what inspires peace is when they are “us” becomes when we are “them” so that peace can be found. A damm tragedy all the way around, entrapping peoples.
  
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  April 21, 2019 10:35pm
- alien
  
  sad that a tragic event happens and this sort of nastieness is the reply.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:13pm
  - The King
    
    Yes Alien. And you’re quite welcome to have all these people move into your house. Ok.
    
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    April 22, 2019 12:17am
Engelbert Humperdink

And right on cue Cinders opines…

“New Zealand condemns all acts of terrorism, and our resolve has only been strengthened by the attack on our soil on the 15th of March,” Ardern said in a statement.

Yeah because I am St Jacinda and this attack reminded me to remind you all how good I was after Christchurch.

“To see an attack in Sri Lanka while people were in churches and at hotels is devastating.”

Yeah, churches are just like hotels. Mosques are much more special. Is why I instructed NZ Police to keep guarding mosques but cancel many ANZAC day celebrations. Suck it up, peasants.

“New Zealand rejects all forms of extremism and stands for freedom of religion and the right to worship safely. Collectively we must find the will and the answers to end such violence.’

Of course I do love collective punishment. Of gun owners and white supremacists. And all y’all are white supremacists if ye worship me not. Of course I do not reject communist extremism that killed and still kills – like Venezuela. Because, reasons. Shut up, I am explaining.
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April 21, 2019 10:12pm
- alien
  
  may e you should follow your own advice and zip it. The New Zealand government no matter who is in always condems terrorism. Her statement is nothing that any other NZ PM would make except you need to make it more and have a whinge.
  
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  April 21, 2019 11:11pm
  - The King
    
    No. The police have decided Brenton Tarrant is not a terrorist. He is not charged with terrorism.
    
    You know why?
    
    They are to scared too.
    
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    April 22, 2019 12:18am
- The King
  
  Sorry i can’t hear you over all the Marxism.
  
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  April 22, 2019 12:20am
Rich Prick

Wow, no Russians, just Hillary, CNN, MSNBC, Pocahontas and Mad Maxine. The Dems are fucked. I think I will by a new car.
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April 21, 2019 10:55pm
V

First:
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/11-year-old-says-teacher-shamed-her-for-choosing-trump-as-her-hero

Then:
https://i.redd.it/galt5w8u9jt21.jpg

And then they wonder why Trump is President.
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