General Debate 20 April 2019

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Yvette

Democracy, probably most of us thought, involved a majority.

But the MMP system, with no such a clear majority, offered Winston the opportunity to add his numbers to Labour or National to decide who governs – Winston and his little coterie of caucus members decided on Labour.

In a pre-Election action Jacinda Ardern, in the fuss over a water tax, saw how uncertainty could discourage voters and so shoved that tax and all others sideways into a Tax Working Group – now fucked – but her “captain’s call” was to avoid the perceived idiocy of asking people to vote for uncertainty.
And then 186,706 voted for Winston – without a clue of what he would do with their vote.
That is truly bizarre.

There is no way of establishing the preference of those who actually voted for Winston – whether he’d support Labour or National; no numbers, no documentation – and that is where “democracy” failed. And whether all of the New Zealand First Caucus made the decision to gift Labour the position of Government, or it was largely Winston, is pointless to consider – whatever it was, was not a voter choice.

Then there are three examples of governance –
Winston at the last moment quashing Little’s Three Strikes amendment
Winston doing the same to the Capital Gain Tax, and
Winston horse-trading off oiled gas exploration for his paranoid waka-jumping legislation.

Is any of this in any way democratic?
The problem is actually departing from “One person – one vote”

What we had was – You: one vote – Me: one vote
and Winston: 186,706 votes to do as he chose.
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April 20, 2019 8:05am
- KiWombat
  
  Yvette – at times like this I think of my elderly conservative aunt, who thought the sun shone out of Winston’s fundamental orifice, and voted for him until the day she took her last breath.
  
  I suspect she would be turning in her grave now !
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:17am
  - alwyn
    
    She was named Catherine I assume?
    She is buried in our local cemetery where she turns in her grave so much she is commonly known as Catherine Wheel.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_wheel_(firework)
    
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    April 20, 2019 10:58am
    - KiWombat
      
      Alas no – but she was from up your way though. I often use to see her nodding off at the NZ1 conferences, sometimes the media even focussed on her. Even back then Winston’s diatribe used to lull even the most faithful to sleep !!
      
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      April 20, 2019 11:54am
      - Tall Man
        
        Now he does it to himself…..
        
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        April 20, 2019 12:40pm
- The King
  
  The quality of any government depends entirely on the human quality of it’s decision makers and their ability to implement their policies. Thus we can judge any political system based on how effective it is at getting the best people to the top and preventing the worst people from being in positions of power and influence.
  
  By this criteria we can confidently say that democracy is the worst political system there ever was, and could ever be. By being based on popularity, rather than quality or merit, it will always favor the clever liars and schemers, the cynical actors and the sociopathic social climbers.
  
  By having short term limits,it insures that no politician ever has to deal with the long term consequences of their policies. Inversely, the honest men, the honorable men, will have less success at getting elected because they will say unpleasant truths and refrain from making impossible promises.
  
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  April 20, 2019 10:01am
  - Crisplion
    
    All of the flaws you identify in democracy are indeed terrible flaws. I can also entertain your criterion for judging a political system: “how effective it is at getting the best people to the top and preventing the worst people from being in positions of power and influence”.
    
    Trouble is, I’m struggling to think of any other systems that have done, or would do, better – or at least be any less bad – by that criterion. Democracy – pretty much by definition – favours demagogues. But in the absence of democratic institutions history tells us that we either get tyrants or hereditary monarchs. The former are obviously dreadful for all sorts of reasons and the latter are hit-and-miss at best.
    
    I suspect that the only real protection against government by idiots and thugs is a mature culture replete with psychologically healthy, self-responsible individuals. If everyone was perfectly self actualised, a harmonious anarchy would naturally ensue.
    
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    April 20, 2019 11:38am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Here’s a couple of thoughts by a favourite of mine:
    No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.” This is from a speech he gave to the House of Commons, November 11, 1947.
    “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” ― Winston S. Churchill
    
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    April 20, 2019 1:10pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    The Constitutional Republic in the US is the best, in my opinion. It avoids ‘mob rule’ due to the Electoral College.
    I think that if someone receives more from the Government than they provide, then they should be disqualified from voting. While everyone has their own vested interests to some extent, those with the most obvious conflict are those who rely solely on the largess of the productive taxpayers. They are parasites, who will of necessity vote for more and more free stuff.
    Having said that, instead of “what is the best form of government?”, the more pertinent question should be “why have a government at all?” It is not a law of physics that we must have a large centralised state apparatus. Shrink the f****r, and let freedom reign. Just have an institution to deal with the ferals who would deny others their inherent right to autonomy.
    
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    April 20, 2019 4:08pm
- MickMac
  
  Yvette
  
  I’m not going to say sorry, I’ve done it once.
  But it won’t happen again, no matter who is leading NZF.
  My hope is that NZF and The Watermelons will be gone after the next election.
  
  My finest wishes are that ALL the racist Maori seats will go as will the Non-electorate MP’s.
  or the Non-Electorate MP’s will only have 1/2 a vote as they aren’t ours but the parties….
  
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  April 20, 2019 11:28am
- kloyd0306
  
  Amen.
  I want NZF and Greens to be gone next election yet will smile sweetly when both fail to get the 5%.
  Winston is a traitor while Shaw is a patsy.
  Both need to be shown the door.
  NZ is simply not big enough to have more than two parties.
  And finally, Jim Bolger needs to be shamed for allowing MMP to take place.
  
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  April 20, 2019 6:24pm
artemisia

Audrey Young in the Herald today takes a swipe at everyone who had an opinion about Ms Ardern and her pronouncement about no CGT.

Two words. Tough. Hubris.
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April 20, 2019 8:07am
- sooty
  
  Yer, but she’s one of the pram pushers!
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:38am
- theoldbloke
  
  Did anybody actually READ the article.As usual the Headline did not reflect the article.
  
  You all know that the headline is generated by a Sub Editor and not the Journo.
  
  Na, really….you didnt know.
  
  Shame on you all for reacting to a BS headline.
  
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  April 20, 2019 4:38pm
Swifty

The largest Islamic school in NZ – Auckland’s Al-Madinah school governance and management shown to have failed repeatedly and, it appears, cannot be trusted with public money:

2005: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10333294

2015: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11457038

And now again, in 2019:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12223686

How much longer will this charade be allowed to continue?
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April 20, 2019 8:09am
- peterwn
  
  This will cause Chris Hipkins another headache. He will not be able to micromanage this school in the longer term as he wants to do with other schools.
  Incidentally I am unaware of any Catholic schools running off the rails to the extent the Board has to be sidelined. I thing the Catholics can sort things out themselves (Viard College near Wellington had a problem several years ago but it seems to have got sorted quickly).
  
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  April 20, 2019 9:36am
  - dubya
    
    Hato Petera in Northcote was Catholic and went well and truly off the rails. However, I have built a few Catholic schools and would vouch they are generally well run.
    
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    April 20, 2019 10:53am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      To the point where they refused to pay their bills and got the Catlick Church to ring around trying to guilt suppliers into “donating” the services that had already been supplied.
      
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      April 20, 2019 11:51am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Downvoters?
        
        Perhaps you’d feel differently if you knew someone who’s been chasing $35k and getting the hard word from the diocese: “remind me which school your children attend?”
        
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        April 20, 2019 1:18pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      And we know exactly why, and it’s got nothing to do with the Catholic part. I think a number of Anglican schools have had a similar problem, once again nothing to do with the Anglican part.
      
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      April 20, 2019 12:19pm
- Notsofast
  
  As a general note on religious teaching, it is remarkable how closely aligned are the things Israel Folau and the Sultan of Brunei believe in for the guidance of young people.
  
  It seems logical to extend governance to content fast.
  
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  April 20, 2019 10:12am
- simpleton1
  
  Staff had trips were said to be to allow staff to study the Islamic curriculum in schools overseas Would that help to become a more madrassa style school or not?
  Teachers have to daily read koran chapters
  
  The school’s founder and principal, Asin Ali, has also emailed staff to read a chapter from the Quran “at least once this morning so that Allah protects our school and the community”.
  
  “Please may I request you to forgive me and make special dua [prayer of supplication or request].”
  
  Inshallah for the 550 pupils with a solid grounding in islam.
  
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  April 20, 2019 10:52am
  - Swifty
    
    If the founder and principal, Asin Ali, had any integrity whatsoever he would have resigned long before now.
    
    Overseas trips, related BoT members, jobs for family, monies unaccounted for and multiple TAXPAYER FUNDED government interventions to get them/him out of the crap and over years – indeed ever since the school’s founding.
    
    He obviously doesn’t give a shit and is happy to continue to wallow in and benefit from NZers cash.
    
    If I was a parent – I would demand the Trust sack him. But as we all know the Trust is stacked with his mates too. The whole thing is crooked.
    
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    April 20, 2019 12:30pm
    - simpleton1
      
      Asin Ali, is living the dream of being a devout, pious muslim.
      The parents also know that islamic thinking as exemplified by Mohammad the Messenger is very important for their children to learn, understand and become ingrained, so that they can support the true society that is the “ummah”
      
      Al walaa:- allegiance, loyalty honour, for all muslims!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G9Ccu9NQ5A
      2min 7sec. The first 1 min 27 seconds explains Al walaa.
      The last part explains Al Baraa and where and how everyone else fits in.
      
      Priorities, values, are totally different to our way of thinking.
      
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      April 20, 2019 1:53pm
- MickMac
  
  Swifty
  Chris Hipkins hands are tied here, poor sod.
  
  If they were Christian or Catholic it would be a different case….
  
  He would have acted and then had a “faux consultation”.
  
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  April 20, 2019 11:24am
  - peterwn
    
    I would not be surprised if there was not a ‘Captain’s Call’ concerning Catholic schools in due course if Chris tries to meddle. A homily from each Catholic pulpit during the election campaign can swing a significant chunk of votes.
    
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    April 20, 2019 1:00pm
- Swifty
  
  But wait, there’s more – and it gets worse!
  
  ‘AL-MADINAH’S PAST PROBLEMS
  
  In 2016, the auditor-general found potential conflicts of interest where three board members were tied to the school’s private proprietor.
  
  The Ministry of Education appointed a limited statutory manager for the school’s board in May 2016.
  
  The results of school audits in 2017 found there had previously been raised concerns over the school’s financial management and compliance, including party-related transactions, conflicts of interests and the school’s fundraising practices.
  
  In June 2018 the Ministry of Education asked a specialist to perform a forensic investigation of the school’s finances. This was prompted by concerns raised during the audit of the school’s annual financial statements.’
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/112170269/almadinah-schools-board-dissolved-following-complaints-of-financial-mismanagement-and-staff-problems
  
  Just when is Chris Hipkins going to shut this school down?
  
  Why won’t he act in the interests of parents, the children and NZ taxpayers who are funding this rort!
  
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  April 20, 2019 11:34am
  - Komata
    
    Mr Hipkins won’t close the school for the very goo reason that he is afraid of the backlash should he do so.
    
    The media will go into full cry and the usual ‘buzz words’ will betrotted out, with the Gweens putting in their coin ‘just because’,.
    
    Hipkins may be very foolish, but he’s definitely not stupid.
    
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    April 20, 2019 1:50pm
KiWombat

Yesterday, Good Friday, would have provided some members of our community the perfect platform to reciprocate their feelings of “inclusiveness” with those who have gone out of their way to be kind and inclusive over the last 5 weeks.

However I struggled to identify ANY amongst the local and various other walks and services which we have throughout the country on this day.

It appears to me that the “feelings” and “inclusiveness” are very much a one way street !
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April 20, 2019 8:12am
- MickMac
  
  KiWombat
  11:22
  What do you expect ?
  They are told not to make friends with the other !
  
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  April 20, 2019 11:22am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I would have distanced myself from anyone that looked Muslim anywhere near it. wouldn’t that be fake, just as some are accusing Jacinda of being fake
  
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  April 20, 2019 4:30pm
Tony Stuart

With regard to the Fortune magazine story, Jacinda Ardern is rated as second in the World’s Greatest Leaders list. Ahead of her are Bill and Melinda Gates.

Bill and Melinda Gates have donated billions of dollars of their OWN money to humanitarian causes over a long period of time. For me as a Rotarian, their support of the campaign to eradicate polio is incredible; they match every dollar donated by Rotary with $2 of their own.

As recently as 1988, there were 350,000 new cases of polio every year. In 2018, there were 33 new cases reported, almost all of which were in the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan. This area is controlled by the Taliban, who are hugely resistant to western medicine. Check out this story:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-polio-gates/bill-gates-urges-afghanistan-and-pakistan-to-get-to-zero-in-polio-fight-idUSKCN1R60XH?fbclid=IwAR1l8W6NZiFL_a6fWZsqkkZBob_FyJ_ibNAl5u4tNTL-IoABouTwOYfPHWA

As impressive as Ardern was in the aftermath of the March terrorist attacks, to compare her to Mr and Mrs Gates is fatuous at best. If she is indeed the second best world leader, there is a pretty colossal gulf of leadership.
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April 20, 2019 8:21am
- Swifty
  
  It is cringeworthy KS.
  
  And, I might add, Cindy’s ‘power’ is 99% sourced from the office she, temporarily, holds. Once she is outski her ‘power’ will instantly diminish to nothing.
  
  Bill Gates’ however will endure……
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:26am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    They should object and withdraw themselves from consideration, Then Jacinda could be number one lol
    
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    April 20, 2019 4:31pm
    - tf78
      
      They could withdraw themselves due to the embarrassment of the association and the comparison.
      
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      April 21, 2019 7:49am
- Liberty
  
  Wearing a rag and miking a tragedy for a month is more about a cv for the UN.
  Than leadership.
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:34am
- Yvette
  
  Fortune also said she set a standard for dignity by refusing to say the attacker’s name and won support for a ban on semi-automatic weapons.
  
  How, in discussing this event in any way, is “ownership for his actions” applied if “he” doesn’t have a name?
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Also she has suppressed freedom in this country. The quicker she is gone the better.
    
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    April 20, 2019 12:26pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Funny Y it was not until the Tuesday after the shooting she decided his name was not to be mentioned. Perhaps she was searching for the right scarf to wear while lining up the right photographer too. With so many photo opportunities as well as over exposure it seemed her nose got a bit bigger each time.
    Many well expect some nasty unintended consequences from all the “love” dished out by the anointed one in the future. Lol
    
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    April 20, 2019 12:43pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    So National, lead by Bridges, openly gives cross party support for the gun laws and yet Ardern wins the award and full accolades for receiving his gracious non – partisan goodwill?
    
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    April 20, 2019 1:36pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Alas, have they learnt nothing from Harry Potter.
    
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    April 20, 2019 5:12pm
- John Warren
  
  It’s truly bizarre, isn’t it? When we at home see daily examples of her utter inability to lead. This is the power of imagery at work – Ardern in a hijab, for an international audience, trounces 18 months of crisis-ridden, inept governance.
  
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  April 20, 2019 9:18am
  - 3-coil
    
    John Warren – this fawning Jacinda puff-piece will in future be a blot on Fortune’s cv too.
    
    History will expose that the “serious and establishment” magazine Fortune was sucked in by the media-managed image too, totally overestimating Ardern’s real leadership record – too slack, incompetent or selective to research the real facts for themselves. We now have an almost total generation of these lazy, Google-dependant fake journalists (like the useless Fortune pretenders in their New York office) who don’t even get out of their chairs. No wonder they get it wrong.
    
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    April 20, 2019 11:20am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  To be completely honest, her ‘leadership’ in the aftermath of the massacre in Christchurch was emphatic, but largely formulaic. If A happens, do B, look concerned, say nice things, and she did.
  
  However, the policy wonks seized on the opportunity to implement draconian gun control laws in the aftermath, even before it has been determined how the gunman managed to obtain the weapons in question, if they were modified, were they in fact legal at all, would more stringent policing of existing law have avoided the slaughter? All questions that needed to be answered, and a true leader would have led the country through the process. A wimp follows the path of least resistance.
  
  Ardern is no leader, she’s an opportunist looking for a soundbite!
  
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  April 20, 2019 11:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    PR girl.
    
    Nothing more.
    
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    April 20, 2019 12:34pm
- peterwn
  
  All Jacinda had to do was do a top level PR job. All the ‘grunt’ came from agencies who were well organised and knew what they were doing – Police, St John ambos, doctors and nurses at the hospital, coroners etc. Performance might not have been perfect but was pretty well top notch. The only top level ‘prompting’ required was with Air NZ who were fare gouging with respect to loved ones wanting to get to Christchurch but in fairness to them they accommodated the transport of key people (police, doctors, coroners etc) to Christchurch at short notice.
  
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  April 20, 2019 1:10pm
Ford Prefect

Facebook is still good to keep in touch with old friends, watch bears walk their cubs across a road, and share Farside cartoons.

But I just found myself in a conversation supporting Sean Plunketts blast on Jacinda. I tried to stay civil, then offered the olive branch of “we’ll have to agree to disagree” only to be replied with:

“I recckon we are in the presence of the beginning of our greatest prime minister..She finds a different strategy..Good Leader, very very good..and I don’t do politics but even I can tell”

Anyone got a link to Jacinda’s Comrade speech??
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April 20, 2019 8:24am
- tf78
  
  I think you can just google it (as this point anyway). I think National should screen it in the lead up to 2020 election.
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:38am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Why wait, she uses the same mode of delivery now, to a sychophantic audience.
    
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    April 20, 2019 4:35pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
  
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  April 20, 2019 9:12am
  - Ford Prefect
    
    Thats the one, thanks for that
    
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    April 20, 2019 9:18am
  - ducklin71
    
    Siberian exile awaits, Comrade.
    
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    April 20, 2019 10:10am
  - Bill felt
    
    It’s the other speech at the same venue that is more umm interesting! (scary?).
    
    Crisis of humanity, poverty, hunger, inequality, Crisis of climate change
    Crisis of economics and financial
    Crisis of ideology
    
    Blame: the neo-liberal agenda
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeUfEDLIwCI
    
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    April 20, 2019 10:28am
    - tf78
      
      Well, I’ve not seen that before – 2020 could be such fun. (I hope the Nats use those videos).
      
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      April 20, 2019 11:37am
    - Grant
      
      Going by the background noise, not even those present were very interested in what she was saying.
      G
      
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      April 20, 2019 6:17pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Sorry, but WTF is she wearing? She doesn’t even look like she’s got knickers on! Did she get mixed up thinking she was going to a Berlin sex club?
      
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      April 20, 2019 8:15pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Was Rocky Horror the theme? If not, that outfit still baffles me.
    
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    April 20, 2019 10:31am
    - freethinker
      
      Cindy had probably just finished he job as a trainee dominatrix and didnt have time to change
      
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      April 20, 2019 7:43pm
  - MickMac
    
    Thank you Tall Man
    Going to save that to send to many people next year.
    many of them NZF voters…
    
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    April 20, 2019 11:20am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Why wait?
      
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      April 20, 2019 4:36pm
Happychappy

When are Labour and the Coalition going to wake up to the fact that as long as they keep putting people in motels and saying the country has a massive problem with housing accommodation the more people will forgo the large rents and bludge off the taxpayer. It is over 4 years since Labour made a issue of this and for the thousands they have put in accommodation their thousands more join the queue and millions of dollars more of taxpayers money has been paid out. MP’s are supposed to be of high intelligence and worthy of their salaries but people must be starting to have doubts when millions of dollars is being wasted on people duping a Government well out of their depth.
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April 20, 2019 8:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Apparently, there are 800 “homeless” people in motel beds in the Hawke’s Bay alone. Is it any wonder that no one wanting to visit HB this weekend can get a motel bed for love nor money?
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:30am
  - calendar girl
    
    A “well-being” public subsidy for motel owners, at least.
    
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    April 20, 2019 9:34am
  - Notsofast
    
    I met a motelier in Te Awamutu with 3 small units at a 1000 a week leased to Winz for the next 3 years. He simply and honestly described it as his super scheme.
    
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    April 20, 2019 10:17am
  - Inandout
    
    A motel owner in Hamilton keeps his rates just above what WINZ will pay. He said that once he accepted the ‘homeless’ his reputation would suffer via Trip Advisor and Booking.com because the comments would drop his rating. By the way he is generally fully booked.
    
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    April 20, 2019 10:28am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      There are plenty of tired and dated motels around the country. Lease them to WINZ for a couple of years, then use the proceeds to renovate?
      
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      April 20, 2019 2:54pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        You know that beneficiaries will not want to go where some of them are, albeit there might be work in some of those places too.
        
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        April 20, 2019 4:40pm
  - mark15
    
    $2000000 a month on ‘emergency’ housing I heard
    
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    April 20, 2019 1:51pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    And there are 800 rental beds unoccupied in the area?
    
    I understand the problem you have described.
    
    Not that you have to, but it would be useful if you could indicate something that looks like a solution. If it involves living in garages and/or cars and/or sleeping rough then I guess it’s a solution of sorts. It would leave the motels free for Easter.
    
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    April 20, 2019 4:24pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Yes don’t drink,smoke or gamble, pay your rent look after the property you rent and the family you produce so you can stay in a good dwelling. Every parent is responsible for where or how their family live and ethic whether it is your job or how you live helps no one told you to live like this and if you were responsible you would never put loved ones through it.
      
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      April 20, 2019 4:45pm
    - artemisia
      
      Increased supply leading to a surplus of rentals would make it more likely that less than ideal tenants would get a chance at a private rental. The current government is making it unattractive for landlords to expand their portfolios. On the contrary.
      
      The government could change some of those unattractive policies with the stroke of a pen. We have just seen that happen. So there’s a solution for you.
      
      The other solution is for would-be renters to clean up their acts so that landlords will be more inclined to consider them. Too late for some with bad historical choices, but others would be well advised to take care with the choices they make.
      
      Consequences.
      
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      April 20, 2019 5:02pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Trust me, when you have had one “less than ideal tenant you do not take another.
        
        An empty property for as few extra weeks is a lot less of a loss than a mongrel tenant.
        
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        April 20, 2019 8:06pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Why cant they build tin shacks like the poor and useless do in other countries.
      No one owes people a house or an income.
      Unless may be they are crippled.
      
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      April 20, 2019 7:47pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Lazy with a massive sense of entitlement.
        
        Next time you’re at the supermarket carpark have a wee look at who often park in the disability parks…same type.
        
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        April 20, 2019 8:08pm
      - tf78
        
        Why can’t they have house keeping lessons while they are staying in motels – when they pass they can be recommended for permanent rentals in the real world.
        
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        April 21, 2019 7:56am
- artemisia
  
  Every year tens of thousand of tenants are taken to the Tenancy Tribunal for rent arrears and/or damage. Public and searchable information. A surprising number live in heavily subsidised social housing.
  
  Then there are tenants whose landlords take the non-published mediation option or just kick the tenants out.
  
  Add in credit checks and other available information, including from companies like TINZ and the list of not-in-my-rental is getting very long.
  
  Then add in that over half of all rentals are managed by property managers who of course talk to each other.
  
  And finally, there is a shortage of rentals in many locations, so landlords can and do pick and choose. Shortages at least in part caused by government policy.
  
  We will never see research on the tenancy or credit history of those in motels etc, but there are definitely lines to read between.
  
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  April 20, 2019 9:41am
Tony Stuart

I wonder if this would meet Golriz Ghahraman’s definition of hate speech:

Michael Richards @nzmrichards
Follow @nzmrichards

If the collective noun for Left Wingers is “Tribal Lefties”, would the collective noun for the right be “Bunch of Cunts”?
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April 20, 2019 8:27am
- septic skeptic
  
  I thought it was the Greens who aspired to be recognised as a bunch of cunts.
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:53am
- rightoverlabour
  
  It’s a “Shower of Cunts” FFS get the Grammar right you uselss prick Michael Richards…
  
  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shower%20of%20cunts
  
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  April 20, 2019 12:25pm
MrTips

An Easter reflection…..

In recent months, Jacinda Ardern (and the CoL) has shown:

– She doesn’t understand GDP
– She chaired an in council CoL team that made it easier to get assault weapons.
– She has no idea how to get Kiwibuild and Twyford to work.
– She talked a good game post the Mosque shooting, but has cocked up the actual gun reform.
– She still doesn’t understand GDP whilst making a humiliating about-face on CGT.
– Her core fan base are losing belief in the fairy dust.
– Mental health and child poverty are waiting to be acknowledged.

Our PM may not be a woman of faith, but these (and many other) facts are gaining popular and media traction, and it seems the CoL will need Jesus to survive the year.
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April 20, 2019 8:40am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Or Allah?
  
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  April 20, 2019 11:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not too sure allah will smile too kindly upon “what’s in it for wynston” ticking more of Israel Folau’s “sin list” than moat and even the pr girl ticks quite a few boxes that would get allah’s frowny face on.
    
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    April 20, 2019 12:30pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Islam frowns on idolatry, and yet Jacinda is an annointed one
      
      So does Christianity.
      
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      April 20, 2019 4:44pm
Yvette

The National Party is accepting advice that the Pike River re-entry can now be done safely, taking politics off the table on an issue that has been a bitter political battleground.

Why?
What advice – from whom, to whom – has convinced National that re-entry is now “safe”?

A lengthy Herald item offers no real detail, except – Winston Peters said in 2016 that he would be happy to be the first to re-enter the mine’s drift, and he doubled down on that last year. But Little said that won’t be happening. “He wanted to, but I think he realises now that the health and safety considerations mean that he won’t be the first one in.”

Apparently, it is not safe …
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Friday 8 March 2019, Pike River Recovery Agency held an Emergency Exercise Only, supposing a seismic event on the West Coast had trapped six men in Pike River Mine drift, between the current roof fall and a new one, so blocking egress.
The website conclusion to the exercise does not reveal how they think the men were rescued.
Just – “The six men have been rescued from underground at the PIke River Coal Mine.
The emergency exercise is now complete.”

In reality – 13 days ago a 4.6 magnitude earthquake 45 km from Te Anau, struck Saturday, April 06, 2019 12:42 PM

How big does such an earthquake in the vicinity of Pike River need to be?
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April 20, 2019 8:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The TV One news report on this issue last-night was devious
  
  The Headlined made out that the Nats had changed their tune…then there was a long interview with a Pike River supporter who reckoned that Nats had jumped on board with their plans..
  and finally a short clip of Mark Mitchell clearly stating:
  “We’ve always said, and our position is still very clear, that the advice that we’ve had is that it’s just far too dangerous to re-enter the mine. We’ve always said that if the advice had changed around re-entry into the drift then we would support that,”
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/national-party-now-supports-pike-river-mine-re-entry-but-insists-its-not-u-turn
  
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  April 20, 2019 9:50am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Big enough when Little and Winston are inside…..
  
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  April 20, 2019 12:28pm
Lee C

I think the National Party are engaging in clever optics over Pike River. Their best way forward is to compound the impression that they are the sleeping government and are actually calling the shots.

Rather than crowing about CGT they ran a positive meme about harmony. It feeds into the Brandcinda thing and neutralises her with voters who are worried that ‘anti-Brandcinda’ is the only option for getting her out..
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April 20, 2019 9:03am
- Tall Man
  
  Brett will be along soon to explain why Simon Bridges will never be Prime Minister and that he is leading National into oblivion.
  
  He is not alone in this opinion but well in the minority.
  
  I think that eliminating the hysterical rhetoric that is generally associated with “opposition” parties is a good plan and will “associate” them with the “feel” of government in the voter’s eyes. This is a slow process but there is no hurry, they look ready now and by 2020 will have policies ready for unveiling and the coalition will look even more disjointed.
  
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  April 20, 2019 9:25am
- waikatogirl
  
  We can all agree that National’s decision not to re-enter Pike River after the explosions were not happening unless mining safety experts said it was safe for search and rescue? So the Pike River community, long time West Coast mining families who are generally traditional supporters of their beloved Labour Party, does not have anything to do with their distrust and failure to believe the National Party decisions to enter or not was wholly down to clearance by mining health and safety experts? Pull the other one!
  
  It is interesting that the calm hand of Mark Mitchell has been used to quell any concerns in a meeting held with the Pike River families who appear to have had their concerns answered.
  
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  April 20, 2019 9:32am
  - Yvette
    
    Waikatogirl, or it is that –
    Rumours abound that there is a coup coming against Simon Bridges, from Paula Bennett and Mark Mitchell.
    Yesterday, the party’s Pike River recovery spokesman, Mark Mitchell, met with the Families Reference Group … and told them National supported the re-entry plan.
    
    Labour, the Greens and NZ First all politicised this tragedy. Now Mark Mitchell is trying to raise his profile as a possible future leader by backtracking on National policy and agreeing with the government? – WhaleOil, may be open to some doubts in motivation, but also consider reality.
    
    If this is so, Mitchell has actually said –
    “The advice now is that we can get in there, and we completely support that.”
    
    So, again, exactly what advice has Mitchell received (and from whom) that reverses their thinking?
    Nobody seems to offer any detail. So, is there none?
    
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    April 20, 2019 10:26am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Why? Mark Mitchell is the relevant minister. Do you think that Simon should front everything? I don’t read anything into it at all.
    
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    April 20, 2019 11:56am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Not Minister Rachael, but he is National’s spokesperson for Pike River, opposing Andrew Little. Simon Bridges trusts his front bench colleagues enough to make their own announcements.
      
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      April 20, 2019 2:57pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Sorry, and yes agree that Simon is secure enough to not have to be, look at me look at me, unlike some people.
        
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        April 20, 2019 4:47pm
Than

So it seems that No Right Turn has decided to declare an outright war on farmers. On this issue he’s even more out of touch with reality than usual. Were exactly does he think meat and dairy products will come from? Or does he seriously think people will accept moving to a diet of lentils and tofu?

News flash – food is one of life’s major pleasures, one many people enjoy immensely. Good restaurants are a major thing people google. There are foodies who plan whole vacations around which cities or regions have a reputation for great cuisine.

People will accept moving to electric vehicles now that they are coming close to matching internal combustion in performance. Likewise moving to renewable generation, the end-product electricity is the same. Provided continuity of supply is guaranteed and the lights continue to come on when you flick the switch (the greatest challenge for wind/solar, and one they haven’t currently solved), people will accept that. Even with modest price increases, both these cases are not huge reductions in people’s perceived quality of life.

But if NRT thinks that a large percentage of the population would accept being forced into a vegetarian (let alone vegan) diet… he understands absolutely nothing about human nature. Simply not going to happen in a million years.
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April 20, 2019 9:09am
- ducklin71
  
  NRT and the low-IQ crowd that support parties like Labour and the Greens hate freedom. It’s really that simple. I will continue to eat delicious NZ beef and pork every day, which are my favourite vegetables.
  
  I smile every time i go to my local butcher, just knowing it annoys greenies while i support our farming industry.
  
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  April 20, 2019 10:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “People will accept moving to electric vehicles now that they are coming close to matching internal combustion in performance.”
  
  They are already matching internal combustion in performance. But not in price. New Nissan Leaf is $60K, twice the price of an internal combustion car that does the same job. And the day that we are forced to subsidise electric car buyers is the day there will be marching in the streets.
  
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  April 20, 2019 10:27am
  - The Heat
    
    And the Leaf has to be one of the ugliest toy cars ever made.
    
    I do laugh when I see these envirowankers lining up for charging bays whilst the car currently occupying one sits idle for 45 minutes.
    
    One day they’ll get it all worked out, but in the meantime, it’s dead dinosaur power as the best option.
    
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    April 20, 2019 11:15am
  - tf78
    
    I don’t think our electricity suppliers are capable of supplying the necessary electricity as already in the last couple of weeks they’ve been turning off our hot water at random intervals – that doesn’t sound on top of demand if you ask me. We will experience black outs just like Aussie is if we don’t keep up with coal and gas fired power plants. No wonder pollies only dream in the dark (apart from Winston of course).
    
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    April 20, 2019 12:11pm
  - godruelf
    
    Sorry Captain but I understand that day is already here as the bludging EV’s are not liable for RUC or pay fuel levy at the current time.
    
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    April 20, 2019 12:24pm
  - Andrei
    
    We are subsidizing them – they don’t pay Road User Charges like we plebs have to – either directly for diesal powered vehicles or indirectly via petrol levies
    
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    April 20, 2019 12:35pm
  - ducklin71
    
    Hmm, missed this one earlier Captain Mainwaring; no one will “force” us to do anything unless we allow it. I will stick with my gas-guzzler until manufacturers can sell me an electric alternative that is comparatively priced and performs as well as a V8. They exist, but right now cost like 200K. Until that time? I bastardise a famous quote by the late Charlton Heston: “You can have the keys to my Ford when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.”
    
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    April 20, 2019 2:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is no substitute for cubic inches
    
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    April 20, 2019 3:29pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      There is, it’s called a turbocharger.
      And turbo fours and V6s are making V8s obsolete, even in trucks.
      
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      April 20, 2019 4:20pm
      - ducklin71
        
        But it doesn’t sound or feel the same. My beloved first car was a ’72 Cadillac Coupe De Ville with a massive 472 cubic inch V8 that ran on old-school high octane, leaded gasoline. It was wonderful. That motor had an enormous pair of balls.
        
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        April 20, 2019 4:38pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I’m guessing it passed everything on the road except gas stations 😉
        
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        April 20, 2019 4:41pm
    - Tall Man
      
      That’s what I tell all the girls….
      
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      April 20, 2019 8:11pm
  - srylands
    
    There were press reports earlier this year that Cabinet was about to consider a range of subsidies for electric vehicles. However, I do not recall announcements.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110074837/tax-break-suggested-to-get-evs-back-on-target
    
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    April 20, 2019 3:36pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Money?
      
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      April 20, 2019 4:52pm
- The Heat
  
  The far-left climate worriers can eat tofu, if they want.
  
  There is no-way the rest of us will stop consuming meat. Or NZ will stop farming. But, by all means, go into the election with that as a policy LabGreen.
  
  It will be complete and utter electoral annihilation.
  
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  April 20, 2019 10:29am
  - MickMac
    
    yes please…..
    
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    April 20, 2019 11:14am
Hugh Pavletich

Twyford looks to Auckland-Hamilton corridor as key to housing crisis | Michael Daly | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110731259/twyford-looks-to-aucklandhamilton-corridor-as-key-to-housing-crisis

KiwiBuild’s failure to deliver isn’t stopping Phil Twyford from making bold statements about other parts of his plan to solve the housing crisis – with a “growth corridor” between Auckland and Hamilton a key ingredient.

Before the September 2017 election Twyford was unambiguous that solving Auckland’s housing problem involved getting rid of any urban growth boundary around the country’s largest urban area. In its Speech from the Throne, the new Labour-led Government undertook to make that happen.

Now, 18 months since the election, Housing and Urban Development Minister Twyford has said he remained committed to getting rid of the boundary. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Why are New Zealand homes so pricey? It has nothing to do with avocados … Charlie Gates … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/106789344/why-are-nz-homes-so-pricey-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-avocados
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Following the 21 January 2019 release of the 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey , the extensive reporting including the New York Times article and The Listener February editorial it is past time for long overdue progress on the key structural issues of land supply and infrastructure financing …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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April 20, 2019 9:50am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  The glacial pace of politics ! …
  
  May 2016 …
  
  Labour, National both tell council Auckland city growth limits should be abolished | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80113578/labour-auckland-city-growth-limits-should-be-abolished?rm=m
  
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  April 20, 2019 11:48am
- jcuk
  
  Sure kill the boundaries and eat up farm land neded to produce food for the increasing population, here and world wide.
  NO … folk need to get with the concept that if they copulate or import people they are going to have to live in smaller areas in smaller houses.
  There are plenty of designs available and a small area is all one really needs … instead of a quarter acres section…. now if folk used their gardens to grow food that would be a diferent matter.
  Enjoy Easter an drive carefully ….
  
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  April 20, 2019 4:07pm
  - Cobolt24
    
    Exactly, I wish we had a government that would cut the migration rate to a sustainable level (30,000 or so at max!). It seems to me no party at the moment is ready to do so.
    I do support increasing the amount of apartments (easing up on height restrictions in the city centres and possibly even some suburban areas, especially Auckland and to a lesser degree Wellington.
    
    Easing up on the boundaries should be done at caution. Once that productive farm land is gone, it’s gone but it is definitely key to solving our housing crisis.
    
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    April 20, 2019 8:34pm
BrownSnake

Kia Ora Comrades in Jacinda Land

CTG? have the comrades backed down on stealing the family home through CTG and giving it to their Comrades, Comrades?

Did I hear that Right Comrades?
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April 20, 2019 10:58am
- marcw
  
  One week of school holidays gone, and the children are bored already.
  
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  April 20, 2019 11:53am
- jgw739
  
  Yes, Labour have given up on the Complete Tax Gaffe. Comrade.
  
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  April 20, 2019 2:12pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    Thank you Comrade
    
    I encourage you to Stop Reading the NZ Herald
    Kiwi Blog or any of that nonsense and get with the program and check
    
    http://www.globaltimes.cn/
    
    from time to time it is good to read global times
    I like that name……”global…. times”
    I especially like to check the military section
    from time to time
    
    Once they mis categorised and article
    on immigration to NZ in the military section
    it was so so funny wish I had screen grabbed it
    
    Usually after a visit by a NZ minister he tells
    the Peoples liberation army to get combat
    ready again to fight and win wars
    
    Not sure who they are going to liberate
    Maybe Comrade Jacinda knows?
    
    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1144320.shtml
    
    Chinese President Xi Jinping met with New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern in Beijing Monday. They agreed to continuously enrich the China-New Zealand comprehensive strategic partnership based on the principles of mutual trust and mutual benefit.
    
    <
    Nice Black Outfits
    
    She could have dressed up in a Traditional Chinese outfit ?
    
    But then you might have to speculate that Communism destroyed traditional chinese culture?
    
    Her Labour Comrades in Victoria Australian Comrade have signed the Belt Roads Agreement
    without discussion – they were not even going to publish what they signed Comrade?
    
    I hope you are happy with that Comrade the Australian Comrades appear to either not mind not read or think – or all three Comrade
    
    Oh well that is one State of Australia Gone
    the next one will be NZ Comrade I suppose Comrade
    
    Thank you comrade
    
    Can I ask you if Rewi Alley was
    New Zealands first Naked Sheep Farmer?
    
    or is that Rumour or speculation and does
    someone else deserve that honour?
    
    The Mutual trust and benefit is that I think
    Kiwis are going to be able to infest and invest in the Chinese Communist property market
    and Jacinda is going to provide you low interest loans to do that?
    
    Then when that is all done Multi Culturalism
    will be promoted in China Israel and Saudi Arabia
    and the world will live in Socialist Peace
    and prosperity
    
    I have a Dream
    
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    April 20, 2019 7:00pm
MickMac

I’m not sure I buy into this whole priviledge thing, it seems to me to be a Socialista weapon to numb their victims with guilt whilst they redistribute the wealth to others. Hardly tolerant, fair and …….

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2019/04/17/the-myth-of-privilege/
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April 20, 2019 11:13am
Wired-one

Never have I agreed with Duncan Garner more than I do this morning after reading his Stuff column, (sorry dont know how to link it). Finally some of our media are waking up to the charade that is Ardern and her government. It’s about bloody time!
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April 20, 2019 12:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/112163184/hard-to-believe-ardern-didnt-spend-a-cent-of-her-political-capital
  
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  April 20, 2019 1:13pm
  - Wired-one
    
    Thank you maggy.
    
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    April 20, 2019 2:13pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Still doesn’t make me like Duncan he has been Jacinda’s sychophant, shouldn’t he be bi-partisan?
    
    if he thinks he is so wonderful perhaps he should run and see how popular he is.
    
    Scales should never have been on his eyes in the first instance.
    
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    April 20, 2019 4:58pm
- Durden
  
  Was Duncan a CGT supporter before the decision was announced ?
  
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  April 20, 2019 1:38pm
- barnacle bill
  
  That article from Garner is another load of Tripe, dished up as Sunday Roast.
  
  Just a pity he makes a living out of writing rubbish.
  
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  April 20, 2019 3:38pm
- barnacle bill
  
  Even Audrey Young has come out in favour of Jacinda
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12223784
  
  But not the one eyed back scratchers on this site.
  
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  April 20, 2019 3:47pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Even Audrey?
    
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    April 20, 2019 5:00pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Pram pusher.
      
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      April 20, 2019 6:23pm
    - sooty
      
      Yep, she’s allowed to push the pram!
      
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      April 20, 2019 6:38pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I’ll bite, what’s a one eyed back scratcher…..
    
    Is that a pseudonym for labour sycophants that don’t understand GDP?
    
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    April 20, 2019 6:22pm
  - alien
    
    oh i completely agree with you barnacle, we should praise Jacinda.
    
    Thank you PM for reducing the actually money pharmac gets. Thank you for seeing the costs of medicines that aren’t subsidized go through the roof. I really am grateful that I know have to find $180 for 3 months of one pill that used to cost $5. Yay, PM you are the best. Thanks for seeing the amount of hip and knee replacements cut. Thank you PM for giving Shane Jones $3 billion to go around and give to his mates to try get relected. Thank you for all the strikes you have gracefully brough to NZ. Thank you for the tens of tens houses you will build for kiwibuild. Thank you for the increased cost of living. Thank you for reversing what the national government were doing by moving government jobs to the regions. Thank you for wasting all that time and money on a CGT when everyone but the idiots in labour knew that winston would never accept one.
    
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    April 20, 2019 6:41pm
    - gorse
      
      I have but one uptick to give.
      
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      April 21, 2019 9:26pm
Durden

A lefty-green bed-time story, a fairy tale.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/17/the_intercept_a_message_from_the_future_with_alexandria_ocasio-cortez.html
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April 20, 2019 1:40pm
MickMac

As we approach anti speech laws under the guise of “hate Speech”.
Know we are not alone, the islamists are everywhere and attempting to use our laws against us and craft new ones wherever they can.

The Vox Party in Spain is one such under attack.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14090/spain-islamist-hate-speech
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April 20, 2019 1:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This study is of no use to people like me who have been doing light/moderate/heavy housework for a damn lifetime.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/apr/19/household-chores-keep-brain-young-research-suggests

How about a study to prove that painting window sills, taking rubbish to the tip, replacing old light fittings and fixing dripping taps will guarantee you a life of domestic bliss.
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April 20, 2019 2:20pm
- nasska
  
  One day, long ago, in a land far, far away, there lived a woman who didn’t bitch, moan, whine or nag…..
  
  …..but it was far, far away & it was just one day.
  
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  April 20, 2019 2:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    🙂
    
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    April 20, 2019 3:40pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Or a job as a landlord?
  
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  April 20, 2019 5:03pm
ducklin71

Been married near 26 years so i can make this joke without too much flak from my dear wife…

Man says to his mate “I’ve been thinking about leaving my wife. She hasn’t spoken to me in a month”.

His mate replies “Are you crazy? A woman like that is hard to find!”
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April 20, 2019 4:58pm
Lee C

Yup, had to gently suggest to my wife yesterday, that she might take a break from wafting the odour of burning martyr through the place.
I asked her what her plans were she snapped ‘I suppose I’m just going to be cleaning up after everyone’.
I snapped back:, ‘Well I’m just going to be painting window-frames and doing some puttying – so I guess we’re even, then.’

I wasn’t angry, just disappointed.
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April 20, 2019 5:43pm
- nasska
  
  You never want to take it to heart. With nothing to bitch about their lives are incomplete. In any case a quiet night so a short anecdote.
  
  Mrs Nasska is normally a level headed, sensible woman but about five years ago she had a lapse. Her & our elder daughter visited a local kennels & she came home with a pedigree, German Shepherd bitch puppy.
  
  Now we were farmers & Shepherds are some of the worst wool classers on the planet. I pleaded, argued & rationalised but to no avail. I hated cats, she was going to have a pet & that was it……worse still it was to be an indoors pet!
  
  The inevitable happened. Mrs N has no idea about dog training & after a couple of months the situation was getting out of control. I stepped in but now Tara considers me to be the boss & although she loves the missus dearly she ignores everything the cook tells her to do.
  
  So whenever I’m due for a tune-up Tara sits at my feet, ears down & looking sad while the message is read.
  
  Somehow even that is my fault! 🙂
  
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  April 20, 2019 6:31pm
The Heat

Look at this pack of *****:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/04/auckland-climate-change-protesters-clash-with-motorists-over-road-blocks.html

Get off the road, hippies. The road is for cars, bikes and trucks.
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April 20, 2019 5:54pm
- godruelf
  
  wondering if vw could bring out protest mode option on their diesels . when engaged while stopped at protest produces vast amounts of diesel smoke and fumes….
  
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  April 20, 2019 6:23pm
- nasska
  
  From “The Heat’s” link:
  
  …..””Scientists agree we are witnessing the sixth mass extinction,” XR New Zealand spokesperson Rowan Brooks said.”…..
  
  What a load of unadulterated, alarmist shit!
  
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  April 20, 2019 6:50pm
- Inandout
  
  You can get away with anything nowadays, no Police around.
  
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  April 20, 2019 7:03pm
- simpleton1
  
  The one time I would enjoy watching some “boy racers” do full on hand brake slides, donuts, right next to the protesters, and let them enjoy the rubber burning and “petrol head” fumes. 🙂
  
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  April 20, 2019 7:07pm
- JB.49
  
  I would not have kept my temper if I had been in that car, how dare they stop my legal right to go about my business.
  
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  April 20, 2019 7:13pm
- simpleton1
  
  The shocked train driver could have frozen up. 🙂
  
  another was taken to hospital after activists stepped in front of a moving coal train headed for the Port of Brisbane.
  
  The train driver was forced to slam on the emergency brakes after a group of protesters climbed onto the freight tracks in Wynnum on Thursday afternoon, police say. https://www.9news.com.au/national/protesters-stop-coal-train-in-brisbane/b58d293d-6ca5-4093-9509-4a09ed4539b8
  
  So who pays for the counseling for stressing out that train driver?
  
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  April 20, 2019 7:21pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Should have driven over them.
    
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    April 20, 2019 8:35pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Wankers the lot of them. And the more they disrupt ordinary people going about their lives, the more they will be despised and the more futile their campaign will become.
  
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  April 20, 2019 7:31pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I’d love to see these greenie twits turn up with their placards at the Bathurst 1000 just so I could observe how many of them leave with all their limbs intact.
    
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    April 20, 2019 8:55pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  They lucky I was not driving there, a few would have had bruised legs. Fucken arseholes.
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:35pm
JibberJabber

Who`d a thunk it?

Tourist mecca Notre Dame also revered as place of worship

https://www.apnews.com/f309ea14c9b346acb1d3b72c2564c56b
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April 20, 2019 6:16pm
RW Capitalist

TV1 poll
Should the Crusaders change their name.
76% ……..N O!!!!!
Bet they didn’t expect that.
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April 20, 2019 6:29pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Ignore at their peril.
  
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  April 20, 2019 9:33pm
ducklin71

“Look at this pack of *****” The first thing that comes to my mind is Alice Cooper’s “Under my wheels.”
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April 20, 2019 6:34pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Contrasting performances – Christchurch Motorways Projects – Auckland Rail Project …

… No comment required … just draw your own conclusions …

New motorways soon to transform Canterbury driving habits | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/111266627/new-motorways-soon-to-transform-canterbury-driving-habits#comments

… and …

Auckland City Rail Link: Phil Twyford blamed for ‘biggest project blowout’ … Newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/auckland-city-rail-link-phil-twyford-blamed-for-biggest-project-blowout.html
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April 20, 2019 8:10pm
- alien
  
  such a shame that these new motorways in christchurch are now having cheese graters installed on them. I thought we grew up and realised how dangerous these are and got rid of them.
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:22pm
  - V
    
    Concrete median barrier is used the world over and far superior. But not in NZ *we* know better.
    
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    April 22, 2019 4:22am
- Cobolt24
  
  Will no CGT tax punish tenants and first home buyers?
  . | Newstalk ZB.
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/the-oneroof-radio-show/alistair-helm-will-no-cgt-tax-punish-tenants-and-first-home-buyers/
  
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  April 20, 2019 8:43pm
Sarkozygroupie

This is not inclusive Muslim behaviour!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/112158795/teenage-girl-in-bangladesh-burned-alive-after-reporting-sexual-harassment
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April 20, 2019 9:29pm
Sarkozygroupie

The results of mass illegal immigration into Greece:

Athens besieged…

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14082/greece-no-go-zone-athens#.XLrr4Wr79mQ.mailto
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April 20, 2019 9:57pm
Engelbert Humperdink

“Lawyer, accountant allowed Australian Comanchero gang to launder money in Auckland – police” – NZ Herald headline.

So, Jacinda – when ya gonna pass an Act to criminalise all lawyers and accountants until they can hand themselves in to police stations – and have their qualifications subject to buyback at at unknown cost by the Guvvermin 6 months from now, to immediately prevent further funding of criminally illegal gangs? Of course in the meantime they can’t use those qualifications…
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April 21, 2019 5:27am
- gorse
  
  Love to give you 100 upticks on that.
  
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  April 21, 2019 9:19pm
Fletch

Great. Today’s GD is up, but you can’t leave a comment under it…
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April 21, 2019 8:09am
softail 1450

Fletch, the efficiency of KB at this moment are on a par with the labour cabinet,NOTHINGS HAPPENING….
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