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fernglas

Leader or figurehead? Try yesterday’s Herald editorial and Newsroom article by Thomas Coughlan: https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/18/543909/from-the-cgt-wreckage-questions-of-leadership-and-power
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April 19, 2019 8:32am
- KiWombat
  
  “capital gains tax off the table under Jacinda Ardern’s leadership”
  
  Yeah – right! Remember the “no strikes under my watch” commitment just prior to the election – it didn’t take too many months for that to fall on it’s head !
  
  It may be more accurate to report the CGT as being off the table whilst Winston hangs around, then it will reappear with strong support from GangGreen !
  
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  April 19, 2019 10:28am
  - alien
    
    i expect cgt wont be mentioned but changeds to the brightline will happen and some new taxes.
    
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    April 19, 2019 10:35am
    - artemisia
      
      It would be very interesting to know how many taxpayers have paid up under the bright line test. Bearing in mind of course that some would have paid up anyway if classified by IRD as traders.
      
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      April 19, 2019 12:47pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    KiWombat, you are correct. Remember it was Little who ditched the CGT policy, when he assumed the Labour leadership in 2014. because it had been a vote loser in 2011 and 2014.
    
    It was Jacinda who put it back on the table in 2017, it was only during the 2017 election campaign when they realised it really was a vote loser that they came up with the TWG solution.
    so, all this rubbish that CGT is off the table while she is PM doesn’t wash; and
    
    It is rubbish to suggest that she does not believe in a CGT. If she doesn’t believe in a CGT, why put it on the table in 2017, come up with the TWG to buy time and then create the TWG with a remit to come up with a CGT? The Labour spinmeisters are working overtime and lieing to Kiwis to put distance between PriNZess and the wreckage from the CGT.
    
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    April 19, 2019 2:48pm
    - alien
      
      exactly this was something she wanted and promised would go to the next election to get a mandate on it. She wanted it, she lied claiming otherwise. but then again the only time she is telling the truth is when her lips arent moving
      
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      April 19, 2019 4:27pm
    - Ross12
      
      If the Labour spin masters are out there trying to say the PM does not believe in the CGT they had tell her what to say to match their spin.
      
      In this piece she is clearly saying she wanted a CGT
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/young-labour-furious-at-capital-gains-tax-backdown-leak-reveals.html
      
      I think the spinning on this will get out of control and some will end up with egg on their faces.
      
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      April 19, 2019 5:13pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Ross, I agree with you about egg. However, in the aftermath of Wednesday we are now getting these media stories:
        
        https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/387327/bryce-edwards-signs-labour-didn-t-intend-to-implement-capital-gains-tax.
        
        The comments I’ve read also suggest she put this whole thing up to bolster Peters and NZF with their supporters at the next election.
        
        Personally, I don’t buy it, that is a presumption that those who “supported Peters to keep National honest” will stay with NZF. Equally, it the whole CGT debate gives Nationasl the prize of, vote NZF get Labour and the Greens and their extreme policies. The ramifications of some these will be seen in the not too distant future.
        
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        April 19, 2019 8:21pm
artemisia

Letting fees payable by tenants banned. Other fees payable by tenants through the roof.

Auckland-based real estate giant Barfoot & Thompson has hiked a fee charged to some tenants by more than 140 per cent.

The tenant change fee is levied on renters when they decide to bring a new flatmate into the property.

No surprise. Chop people’s income and they check out legit alternatives, which this fee is. It is not just B&T property managers upping change of occupancy fees, though this has been pretty much under the radar so far. Now it is out there so expect more property managers to do the same.

Simple really. Landlord costs increase. Rents go up. That is business.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12223721
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April 19, 2019 8:34am
- fernglas
  
  I don’t see how that can be legal. The tenant is the person who has signed the tenancy agreement, and any flatmates they bring in are sub-tenancies outside the control of the landlord. How can Barfoot’s charge for that? They are the landlord’s agent, not the tenant’s.
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:25am
  - artemisia
    
    It is specifically permitted under the Residential Tenancies Act.
    
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    April 19, 2019 12:32pm
  - artemisia
    
    The flatmate scenario in your post is by no means the only scenario. These days it is much more usual to require all tenants to be on the tenancy agreement, making them jointly and severally liable.
    
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    April 19, 2019 12:34pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Without control over the “sub tenants” they will either make it terms of the lease.
    Either eviction or increase in charges/rents.
    
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    April 19, 2019 1:22pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    You should see the documents, not of Barfoots but another similar in CHCH. The are effectively contracting with both sides in different matters relating to the same tenancy. The agency controls the tenancy and agrees letting terms with the tenant All fess including fees for re-letting, subtenant etc are payable by the tenant.
    
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    April 19, 2019 3:25pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Its a bit like trying to explain to that chick from the renters association or whatever they are called that the no CGT is actually a good thing for renters. She was on the propaganda at 6 the other night crying foul about it.
  
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  April 19, 2019 10:06am
Im Right

To see how politically split/fractured the USA is under Trump all you have to do is watch 5mins of CNN then 5mins of Fox news and it seems they are reading different Mueller reports! We all knew Democrats would never be happy with outcome of the report when it didn’t find any obstruction or collusion that would stand up in a court of law…Sheesh, Democrats are so invested in this report they cannot let it go, watch for inquiry after inquiry until the next president is elected! (And if it is Trump again, enquiry after enquiry will continue.)
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April 19, 2019 8:35am
- MCos
  
  I haven’t read the report and I doubt you haven’t either, but I’ve seen enough extracts and summaries to know that if our PM was the subject she would be hounded out of office before lunchtime by the very people on this forum who claim Trump has done no wrong.
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:58pm
mikenmildagain

Not just a good ‘ol Friday today, but also celebrating the life of Saint Ælfheah of Canterbury, knocked on the head by the Vikings in 1011, and now patron saint of kidnap victims.
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April 19, 2019 8:44am
- SGA
  
  Given that Ælfheah chose death over ransom, I’m not sure how much inspiration I’d take from him as a kidnap victim 🙁
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:14am
Than

Newshub has repeated a left-wing rant from The Spinoff on its front-page. One quote from the article is telling;

The only person who could have won the [CGT] debate was Jacinda, and Jacinda was regally silent. She had to be because she was ‘consulting with her coalition partners’ but even when she was forced to speak to tax issues in the House – the one place Ardern and Robertson couldn’t pay Cullen to speak for them – her lines were barely coherent. It’s the only time Simon Bridges, National’s inept, doomed leader looked more prime ministerial than Ardern.

The author of this piece should re-read that section and think about it for a second. In their own words the (supposedly inept) Bridges is more prime ministerial than Ardern when in parliament. But who cares about that place, right? It’s not like being successful in government has anything to do with being successful in parliament.

This statement is a tacit admission that the “substanceless” accusation often levelled against Ardern is essentially true. She’s brilliant at giving moving speeches and running PR events. But when it comes to actually governing or getting anything done, she’s completely useless. She’s a figurehead, nothing more. And she’s a figurehead for the real power in NZ politics, Winston Peters – the most racist, populist, Trump-equivalent NZ has. Ardern (and while we’re at it, the Greens) should feel so proud of themselves for putting such an individual into power.

As for the claim Simon Bridges is doomed… under his leadership National significantly contributed to a massive and embarassing backdown by Labour on a major policy. I’m baffled how anybody could try and spin that as anything but a victory for him, let alone the spark for a leadership coup.
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April 19, 2019 8:47am
- waikatogirl
  
  Not only did Winston Peters claim Simon Bridges did not win because he said Simon had lost the only club he had to beat the government with, but Winston also claimed Simon would lose the leadership of National over it.
  Delusional or just grabbing at straws? Either way Winston is showing his utu and obsession of Simon’s downfall. Feeling threatened Winston?
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:24am
  - Paulus
    
    Presumably Peters is aided and abetted by his pals Lee Ross and friend Tova O’brien to do anything to get Bridges and the National Party.
    Methinks nobody is interested in old news views.
    
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    April 19, 2019 1:05pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Excellent post, thank you
  
  I wanted CGT to be passed, I wanted the pitchforks in the street, I wanted the inevitable turn from labour at the polling booth as the waiverers put there tick in the blue box because all of a sudden, they had something to loose.
  
  The Tiahape house capital gain to pay was proportionally the same as the Takapuna one.
  
  Labour voters realising that they would have to pay and voting not to.
  
  That was the CGT implementation win, for Bridges as Prime Minister, would have had the opportunity to consign the legislation to the ever lengthening list of labour policy failures.
  
  For all those WO sycophants here who still believe their messiahs rants, Simon Bridges will lead the National party in 2020 and, I am confident, will take the National party to their rightful position on the treasury benches.
  
  Tribal? Me? Maybe just faith in common sense to prevail and, today is our national day of faith (and chocolate)
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:24am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    9.34 to 12.33
    
    I claim the Good Friday socialists prize for workplace efficiency
    
    3 hours, got to be a record aside from not appearing at all.
    
    Spontaneity, spontaneity, where forth at thou?
    
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    April 19, 2019 12:36pm
- Hacked-Off
  
  Quite correct Than. Mr 7% only has power in the CoL if National opposes any CoL policy, otherwise Labour and the Greens would laugh at him and carry on regardless. The point is that Peters only gets his own way when there is a large opposition in Parliament, that should his very small party cross the aisle would overwhelm the CoL.
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:25am
- sooty
  
  Where was the fat controller in the discussion over CGT?
  Never heard him!
  Did he not support it?
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:41am
- howitis
  
  You say:-
  …She’s brilliant at giving moving speeches and running PR events…
  
  So, like B Hussein Obama then!
  All steam, no hangi.
  
  An empty vessel that makes a lot of sound.
  
  Japanese scientists have been working since Sep 2017 to build a micrometer small enough to measure the depth of Ardern.
  So far they have met with the success akin to Kiwibuild and Tree planting!!
  
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  April 19, 2019 11:06am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “An empty vessel that makes a lot of sound. ”
    A clanging bell
    Hollow
    Monotonic
    boring/ uninspiring
    loud
    
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    April 19, 2019 1:30pm
Wayne

In my view, the fundamental problem with the govt is that they think like social media users. That is, it seems that the govt believes that acknowledging a problem and wanting to do something about it is the SAME as actually doing something about it.

E. G. I believe that the govt feels that recognising child poverty (for example) as a problem and making a commitment to reduce child poverty is the same as actually reducing child poverty.

Thoughts…
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April 19, 2019 8:48am
- Rich Prick
  
  We have an “aspirational” Government, talking about things, setting up working groups and hoping for outcomes is as good as actually doing something to them. Personally I don’t mind, it means they’re not mucking too much up.
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:18am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Maybe she’s using another definition of “aspire”
    eg
    “A naturally aspiring engine performance really can’t be improved much through the tune alone unless the engine is REALLY “de-tuned”. ”
    
    Seems to apply to their performance than the definition they are trying to use.
    To re write
    
    Our piss and wind govt.s performance really can’t be improved much through recalibration alone unless the govt. is REALLY “incompetent” to begin with.
    
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    April 19, 2019 1:37pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    $1.5 million salary for the PM to do nothing/not muck up over three years. Let alone the other millions spent on Ministers and policy development working groups.
    
    Pros and cons it would seem.
    
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    April 19, 2019 9:59pm
  - new view
    
    Let’s be honest. She could have called Winston’s bluff. Tried to put the tax through and lost the vote. She could then genuinely blamed Winston. She could have tried to negotiate some of the CGT issues. She didn’t. She’s disingenuous in that she used CGT as an election promise, she is gutless and useless along with mmp. These people love MMP because they can always hide behind and blame their COL partners when the going gets tough. It’s obvious labour didn’t want to rock the boat now halfway through the term. At least with National you new what you were getting even if you didn’t like it. With this lot the word chameleon comes to mind. Changes colour to melt into the surroundings.
    
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    April 20, 2019 7:19am
- septic skeptic
  
  I think it’s more that they are generally lazy. We saw that while they were in opposition. They did no substantial work on policies, hence al, the working groups. I’m sure they would like to deliver, but they just can’t be bothered getting up of the couch.
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:21am
  - Ross12
    
    Interesting to see the same thing is being levelled at the Aussie Labour MPs. Have not done anything while opposition. Also Shorten has been found wanting with details.
    
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    April 19, 2019 9:32am
  - sooty
    
    Yep! They are preparing for the next election already on our the taxpayers dime!
    
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    April 19, 2019 9:39am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  The left’s social media mantra from their supporters now seems to be that the Govt is at least trying to ‘do something!’
  Some of them even seem to acknowledge that Kiwibuild (for example) is a dog, but at least the Govt are trying to ‘do something!’
  Expect the ‘at least we’re trying, compared with nine long years of neglect’ message (however flawed) to go into overdrive for the next 1.5 years.
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:53am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Possibly a time to educate the voting public about meaningful and measurable/comparable statistics for policies.
    Looking like you’re trying to ‘do something’ (and removing any possibility of actually measuring what you’re trying to do) unfortunately equates with virtue signals and good feelz…
    
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    April 19, 2019 10:01am
  - artemisia
    
    Do or not do, there is no try.
    
    This should be on every opposition MPs lips. Every day, in the year of not much delivery.
    
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    April 19, 2019 12:41pm
  - Wayne
    
    Suze, yeah the problem with the ‘doing something’ argument is that there is the risk that a) you make it worse b) you don’t have any effect but opportunity cost means that other opportunities are missed.
    
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    April 19, 2019 1:26pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Wayne, I agree with you and Suze.
      
      Look at the big noise of child poverty.
      
      They cancelled tax cuts, gave a boost to WFF – ie they shifted the goal posts on incomes and in the past week we have learned that:
      
      National moved children out of poverty over the 9 years they were in power, while under Labour the situation has got worse.
      
      We are continually being told this is a “transformational government”, the question begs, “what does that mean?”. What has been and what will be transformed?
      
      As you say, it is all very well doing something, but in doing so are you making matters worse, or is there the opportunity cost and you waste scarce resources eg. KiwiBuild (or subsidised houses for aspiring middle class kids).
      
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      April 19, 2019 8:34pm
- The Heat
  
  Yes, this is how the woke left – who are painfully middle-class – operates.
  
  It’s all about the pose. It’s about your identity, not your actions. You care because you say you do. This is why they can determine that climate change is “the biggest crisis of our time”…….whilst, next minute, booking hols to the Gold Coast.
  
  Poseurs.
  
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  April 19, 2019 11:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I do cryptic cross words and work through anagrams regularly but, on this occasion, I can only get wankers out of poseurs.
    
    Very frustrating! Anyone help with another solution?
    
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    April 19, 2019 12:43pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Tosspots …….
      
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      April 19, 2019 2:19pm
  - Wayne
    
    The Heat, yes. In terms of woke environmentalism, doing something easy, ineffective and meaningless (e.g.
    plastic bags) may have the psychological effect of letting people off the hook which increases the risk of people doing things that are worse for the environment (e.g. air travel).
    
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    April 19, 2019 1:32pm
Lee C

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/18/543909/from-the-cgt-wreckage-questions-of-leadership-and-power

Hmmm…
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April 19, 2019 8:57am
- septic skeptic
  
  I really don’t get why they think the loss of a CGT is a wealth transfer from millennials to boomers. Boomers have already made their capital gains on their houses and rental properties, and property prices are no longer inflating. CGT was going to hit the young tradie starting out on his own, or a young worker in Kiwisaver, or with a share portfolio. Basically anyone trying to get ahead in life.
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:04am
  - fernglas
    
    Capital gains are cyclical, as are share market returns. Property values will not just stop increasing. The real kicker for my millenial kids and their friends is that an ageing population will be cared for out of the income taxes of a reducing number of working people, when those ageing people are achieving substantial untaxed gains. Sure, the wealth will be inherited eventually, but as we live longer, it skips a generation. My millenials will all be getting close to retirement by the time I peg out. While I opposed the CGT out of personal interest, I can see the fairness in it, which, I might add, was completely compromised the moment the Government took the family home off the table. The obvious move to reduce the tax burden caused by an ageing population will be to means test National Super. That is an indirect wealth tax by itself, but would get more traction than a CGT. Raise the qualifying age, and the problem is diminished significantly. But who has the nads to do it? This lot? Nah.
    
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    April 19, 2019 9:36am
  - artemisia
    
    Auckland prices may have flattened but the national median price at 31 March 2019 is at record level (REINZ).
    
    I don’t get this intergenerational wealth inequality thing. Why would anyone not expect a serious gap between those with years in the work force and no student or housing loans and those at the other end of their lifetime earnings?
    
    When Oxfam produced their wealth inequality figures, it was pointed out that some of the world’s poorest were recent Harvard grads.
    
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    April 19, 2019 9:38am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    People trying to ‘get ahead’ are the despised class aren’t they?
    
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    April 19, 2019 9:57am
  - MickMac
    
    They are vacuous, thin thinking young people, Snow -Flakes is a good name for them.
    That they can’t see CGT as as it is philosophically, Socialism hard core.
    Thereby letting Govt have a % of everything you build in your life, shows they shouldn’t actually have the vote.
    As they are dangerous to civil society.
    
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    April 19, 2019 10:01am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Notice how the Millenial “reporters” are completely silent about how millennials are going to inherit the wealth of their Boomer parents?
    The cold hard reality is the “I want it all and I want it now” generation will just have to work for it like we all did, until you don`t have to.
    It`ll be interesting to see what the next generation will be whining about, pity most of us won`t be around to find out.
    
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    April 19, 2019 10:04am
  - Linda Reid
    
    And a CGT was supposed to be revenue nuetral so the lack of a CGT should not impact on the Labour Gvt’s ability to be ‘transformational’.
    
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    April 19, 2019 10:15am
    - burt
      
      We know we’ve hit peak BS when we talk about rampant redistribution as transformation.
      
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      April 19, 2019 10:42am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Heh! I think some of their commentators who are so disappointed now, were expecting a bumper windfall for all of their re-election strategies (sorry, progressive/transformational social programmes…).
      
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      April 19, 2019 12:05pm
  - dubya
    
    Exactly Sceptic. I’m roughly the same age as Ardern, and her flagship policies are completely unhelpful for our cohort. I cannot fathom why she is popular.
    
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    April 19, 2019 11:00am
- double d
  
  Peculiar article – it seems to think a CGT is a panacea and that without it we are doomed (doomed i tells ya)
  There is a rigid view that slowly budget deficits will increase and that governments need extra sources of revenue …..
  No thought to the possibility that the role of government may need to change over time and a focus on core services and enabling the population to be self-sufficient as a priority …..
  The writer is another big government enthusiast ……..
  
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  April 19, 2019 10:18am
Paulus Gnome

‘The lipstick is off the pig . . . . ‘

Sean Plunket’s comment:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/lipstick-s-come-off-the-pig-sean-plunket-blasts-pm-ardern-s-capital-gain-tax-backdown.html

First two minutes have some merit, the next (almost) two not so much perhaps
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April 19, 2019 9:11am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Plunket said the Government was yet to significantly tackle issues like housing and poverty, and was concerned by what he said New Zealand First leader Winston Peter’s ability to veto policies.’
  
  If Plunket thinks the gubmint can tackle issues like housing and poverty then he’s no conservative hero .
  We have free education and a country where everyone is equal before the law and has equality of opportunity . If you can’t make your way under those circumstances then yes , vote socialist , for other people to carry you.
  
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  April 19, 2019 10:09am
- burt
  
  He’s absolutely right, the whole TWG pantomime has been a farce.
  
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  April 19, 2019 10:16am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Gilbert and Sullivan without the humour, the subtlety, the finesse, without anything really aside from envy and I am fairly sure G&S didn’t do envy or shallow car park puddles for talent either.
    
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    April 19, 2019 12:51pm
Happychappy

As long as the media set their own agenda of pushing Jacinda’s stardust it won’t make any difference to who leads National, what they need to do is exactly what Judith Collins did yesterday and put the boot on the other foot by making the statement that James Shaw will be gone as Leader of the Greens before Simon Bridges. Start rattling the cages of NZ First and the Greens just like the Media and their master Winston are doing and then see them cry wolf, fight fire with fire and don’t relent.
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April 19, 2019 9:28am
- Happychappy
  
  Are the mods on strike?
  
  [Mod: We are Happychappy. DPF won’t pay us time and a half today, even though one and a half times nothing is still nothing!]
  
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  April 19, 2019 12:35pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Yeah but you wouldn’t want to work for an idiot would you????
    
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    April 19, 2019 2:27pm
DigNap15

The thing with young people today, is that they don’t want to work and save.
They just want to travel and have a good time buying lattes and avocado all the time.
They will regret it when they reach their fifties.
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April 19, 2019 9:54am
- alien
  
  all the young people I know are working their butts off, working long hours, raking in the money and buying their first home and rentals.
  
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  April 19, 2019 12:30pm
- kowtow
  
  They want to travel and protest against “climate change”…….
  
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  April 19, 2019 4:25pm
Maggie Pie

Why on earth does ‘Good Friday’ have be soooo gloomy?!
Me and my partner had a bit of a lie in this morning and decided to see what we could listen to on the bedside radio. As he swung the dail it was either church dirges, people speaking in languages wed never heard before, or air-stealers calling up seeking a miracle cure for bedsores.
Honestly – lets make Easter fun!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4SPRBPX4AY67Oe.jpg
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April 19, 2019 10:13am
- JibberJabber
  
  Ohhh, you are naughty…
  
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  April 19, 2019 1:32pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    And on that note, now that Barry Humphries (and Benny Hill before him) are persona non grata imagine how Dick Emery would have made the snowflakes heads explode!
    
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    April 19, 2019 1:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJCHmheVxNk
      
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      April 19, 2019 2:33pm
kowtow

Someone didn’t get the memo from the police about surrendering his firearm……

‘A witness has described how “heroes” wrestled a loaded shotgun from a man with his finger on the trigger and how a shot was fired, narrowly missing them and other patrons at a Whangārei tavern.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/those-guys-are-heroes-pub-patrons-wrestle-man-loaded-shotgun
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April 19, 2019 10:16am
- ducklin71
  
  JA will ban screw drivers and excuse the scumbag robber as a “victim of colonialism.”
  
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  April 19, 2019 1:32pm
The Proper Ghandi

If anyone has been over to the ‘dark side’ recently, have they also noticed that Stuff has removed the uptick/downtick options and therefore the sense of public opinion on their ‘news’ reports. It happened right after March 15. I had a brief look today, and they are still persisting with the dead horse of Russian collusion.
I recommend Dr Victor Davis Hanson’s take on it at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn9q7JEscqY
Quote: “He was falsely accused of colluding with Russia by people who were actually colluding with Russia.”
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April 19, 2019 10:28am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  They couldnt stand seeing hundreds of upticks for comments that slammed their champagne socialist agenda
  
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  April 19, 2019 12:54pm
Liberty

The coalition has finally had some success. They have successfully dropped the demand
for workers. According to the latest figures released by Trade me. After nine years of rock star economy. The coalition is finally turning New Zealand into a socialist utopia.
Stalin and his like minded despots will be happy on their clouds knowing. Dear leader
Is also going to be as successful at stuffing economies.

New Zealand’s job market has seen a “surprising” downturn in the first quarter of 2019, according to TradeMe, which saw a 6.1 per cent year-on-year decline on the number of job listings over the period.
“That’s the first drop we’ve seen in the past 10 years,” TradeMe head of jobs
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April 19, 2019 10:31am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If you really want to know where the economy is heading just ask a luxury car dealer.
  Sales flat for a year now, mirroring the equity rich pricks have in their houses.
  
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  April 19, 2019 12:51pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  More jobs in Wgtn CBD though I wager
  
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  April 19, 2019 12:56pm
  - PhilP
    
    Yes Humble Capitalist, the public service is again being “bloated” just like Hulun Klark did, but Sir Bob Jones will pleased though!!
    
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    April 19, 2019 1:52pm
- DigNap15
  
  Why is it surprising?
  With low business confidence that is what you get – Less Jobs.
  Also the number on unemployment benefit has gone up by 14% – No Sanctions – just watch the Blues.
  
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  April 19, 2019 1:15pm
Happychappy

Any bets this won’t get pass 50 million before they come to their senses.
https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/west-coast/contract-extensions-staff-pike-river-recovery-agency
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April 19, 2019 10:39am
- Prince
  
  The Pike River advert for the CoL is a joke.
  No true re-entry now, just a few steps in to feed the publicity machine. Expect more tributes from the abused families and breathtaking sobs from John Campbell, ‘Hills’ and the rest of the fanboys.
  Further ‘progress of a few metres every few months should keep the inept Little in a job.
  Ardern will also don miners helmet and hug everyone closer to election time.
  
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  April 19, 2019 12:55pm
  - sooty
    
    The more they waste there.
    The less to combat poverdy!
    
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    April 19, 2019 3:38pm
  - stigie
    
    Gawd, it’s fucking nauseating !~
    
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    April 19, 2019 3:56pm
RF

Interesting that certain lefty members of the NZ public go out of their way to rubbish Trumps elocution yet they hang on every word spoken by Ardern who absolutely destroys the English language when she speaks.

Maybe her having to recently speak through clenched teeth may have contributed to this.

How the mighty quickly fall from grace.
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April 19, 2019 11:28am
Kevin Herlihy

Perhaps the most significant aspect to emerge from the CGT backdown is that the Prime Minister stated publicly at her Beehive press gallery announcement that under her leadership the CGT is off the table.
She prefaced her announcement by saying the Coalition government has ruled out implementing a CGT.
This is not a victory for the Nats, this is a lesson in the brutal dynamics of MMP when a minor party lead by an uncompromising man uses his leverage to full effect.
It comes then, as no surprise, that previous coalitions have thrown said individual down the stairs, rather than be forced into a humiliating backdown.
Sure, if you dance with the devil, he picks the music, and over time you are singing his tune.
In private Labour must be frustrated, so to with the Greens. How much bullying can they endure before they push back.
The numbers are looking good, nobody would blame them for going early. They just need to stand up for what they believe.
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April 19, 2019 11:35am
- Ross12
  
  Do not agree entirely Kevin. I do not think Labour taking the CGT issue away from future manifesto’s is to do with Peters ( yes, I’m sure he had something to do with the back down). I think a few Labour Party heavy weights ensured the removal of the issue for the future to be added to the back down –basically they pulled rank on the PM.
  
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  April 19, 2019 12:46pm
- Prince
  
  It is a win for National – the fact that Ardern has said ‘not on my watch’ and not ‘not this term’ is proof of that.
  
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  April 19, 2019 12:49pm
  - alien
    
    means nothing to princess, she’ll take up her dream job at hte UN and everything she has said wont matter because little or robertson will be PM
    
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    April 19, 2019 4:25pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Why would Ardern rule it out completely when its something she desperately wants to get a mandate for? The NZ trade union party and the activist party could seal the deal later on when Peters is gone. She wont do it because she knows how much it will cost her at the polls with it still hanging around
  
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  April 19, 2019 1:02pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s certainly strange. The fairness CGT tax is flavour of the month among international socialists. That explained Cullens and Jacinda’s backing.
    The backout may be Peters or others waking up to the fact that it would not actually be the money spinner they thought-reality. Two -three years would be needed to get it going. Those were radical proposals and massive law changes were involved. Apart from drafting staff would need training then the public. Computer systems would need upgrading too as IRD’s accounting and assessments are linked.
    Not on Jacinda’s watch may be just a realistic appraisal.
    
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    April 19, 2019 3:45pm
  - Paulus
    
    Why are we all working on the assumption that Mother Theresa/Princess Diana will be Prime Minister after the next or even up to te next election.
    She now belongs to the world and not some pisspot nation like New Zealand.
    
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    April 19, 2019 4:34pm
- Scooter
  
  Reading between the lines, is she planning on moving on sometime soon?
  
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  April 19, 2019 7:40pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Kevin, without the strength of National, Peters is a pussycat who makes a periodic noise and mess.
  
  Labour need him for government and he is a good foil for the extremes of the Greens, but in this instance none of the CoL can claim any sort of victory. National need to ram this victory home, by questioning the leadership of Labour and the Greens. Hit them, because their leadership has no credibility.
  
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  April 19, 2019 9:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

… AUSTRALIA …

Melbourne buyers face valuations shortfall … Australian Financial Review (behind paywall) …

https://www.afr.com/real-estate/residential/mind-the-gap-melbourne-new-home-buyers-facing-valuations-shortfall-20190415-p51e9c

New home buyers who purchased Melbourne housing lots at the peak of the market are scrambling for cash to settle their contracts or risk defaulting due to valuations coming in tens of thousands of dollars below what they agreed to pay 12 to 18 months ago.

The valuation shortfall comes as Melbourne lot prices start to fall sharply, after surging 30 per cent in 2017 to new highs of over $350,000, and as sales drop to well under 1000 a month, forcing developers to offer incentives and cash rebates to attract buyers. … read more via hyperlink above …
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April 19, 2019 11:38am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Do read the important postings on this KB thread … following the Capital Gains Tax announcement.
  
  There are massive changes underway in New Zealand with respect to urban / housing markets …
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/04/cgt_announcement.html/comment-page-1#comment-2476130
  
  Are you with these essential and inevitable changes … or going down vainly fighting them ?
  
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  April 19, 2019 1:12pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Are you on a commission from the Australian Financial Review? No point posting links to content behind a paywall.
  
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  April 19, 2019 1:55pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Hard Cheese … Originally the AFR article was not behind a paywall.
    
    I was very impressed with it.
    
    In my view, those with an interest / exposure to the property market need to read this important article.
    
    Whats happening in Melbourne will happen here in the very near future.
    
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    April 19, 2019 2:12pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      This present govt will be pleased that they haven’t got the CGT implementation to deal with in the coming asset crashes. We are not alone in the world interconnected economy.
      
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      April 19, 2019 3:51pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Twyford looks to Auckland-Hamilton corridor as key to housing crisis | Michael Daly | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110731259/twyford-looks-to-aucklandhamilton-corridor-as-key-to-housing-crisis
        
        KiwiBuild’s failure to deliver isn’t stopping Phil Twyford from making bold statements about other parts of his plan to solve the housing crisis – with a “growth corridor” between Auckland and Hamilton a key ingredient.
        
        Before the September 2017 election Twyford was unambiguous that solving Auckland’s housing problem involved getting rid of any urban growth boundary around the country’s largest urban area. In its Speech from the Throne, the new Labour-led Government undertook to make that happen.
        
        Now, 18 months since the election, Housing and Urban Development Minister Twyford has said he remained committed to getting rid of the boundary. … read more via hyperlink above …
        .
        .
        Why are New Zealand homes so pricey? It has nothing to do with avocados … Charlie Gates … Stuff NZ
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/106789344/why-are-nz-homes-so-pricey-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-avocados
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        .
        Following the 21 January 2019 release of the 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey , the extensive reporting including the New York Times article and The Listener February editorial it is past time for long overdue progress on the key structural issues of land supply and infrastructure financing …
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
        
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        April 19, 2019 8:53pm
      - toby1845
        
        Thanks Hugh.
        
        For everyone else, I will summarise the Dago’s latest rant in five words:
        
        Phil Twyford is a f…wit.
        
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        April 20, 2019 12:23am
dcrown

Complete and total vindication of President Trump.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/18/triumphant-donald-trump-hails-no-collusion-never-was-and-there-never-will-be/

If there is any justice Hussein Obama, Hillary Rodham and Nasty Pelosi will be in prison shortly.

#walkaway
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April 19, 2019 11:57am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Zonerated?
  
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  April 19, 2019 3:17pm
Tom Barker

Congratulations to prime minister Ardern, the world’s second greatest leader according to “Fortune” magazine.
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April 19, 2019 12:47pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Since Winston is her Boss I guess that makes him no1
  
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  April 19, 2019 2:23pm
- DigNap15
  
  I’ve just cancelled my subscription to Forbes Magazine.
  And ordered more plastic sick bags.
  I’m going to need them
  
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  April 19, 2019 4:17pm
- Tall Man
  
  You can get off your knees now.
  
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  April 19, 2019 4:53pm
- rangitoto
  
  Who would have thought fortune would place Winnie as number one world leader. They must have been impressed by him going to sleep at the summit in Turkey.
  
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  April 19, 2019 7:22pm
- toby1845
  
  I saw that too. Someone must have swallowed a lot of something for a rating like that.
  
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  April 20, 2019 12:31am
MrTips

As expected, the hasty gun law is a crock and a cock up. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/112035308/a-version-of-the-christchurch-mosque-shooters-gun-remains-legal-despite-law-changes

It appears a AR15 WMR .22 with up to 10 rounds mag is still legal on a std licence.

What a mess.
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April 19, 2019 12:49pm
- ducklin71
  
  Read that too- that is great news. Can’t wait for more loop holes to be exposed. .22 WMR is a nice rifle.
  
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  April 19, 2019 3:26pm
  - rangitoto
    
    As long as we can keep our GAU-8 Avengers then all is well.
    
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    April 19, 2019 7:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ Government pays people to starve vulnerable folk.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/112080526/vulnerable-man-who-drank-own-urine-spends-last-hours-constantly-moaning-and-calling-for-food-and-water
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April 19, 2019 1:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I won’t comment on the judicial matter but it seems some parties have got off lightly.
  
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  April 19, 2019 3:56pm
Happychappy

Wow Jacinda is the prodigy of the world
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12223771
Stardom comes with Captains calls obviously.
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April 19, 2019 1:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gracious…
  there are a lot of capitalist fat cats on that list
  http://fortune.com/worlds-greatest-leaders/
  
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  April 19, 2019 3:06pm
Lee C

She just swallowed a dead-rat publically, and slinked off to lick her wounds during the parliamentary recess, thus avoiding further scrutiny, and yet our media are rolling this stuff out about her.
Meanwhile we are at war with Oceania –
It’s practically Orwellian isn’t it?

Do they seriously think the people are this stupid?
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April 19, 2019 2:15pm
- krazykiwi
  
  People who get their take on the world by reading Stuff/Herald/[insert MSM] really are that stupid. And, alarmingly, they vote.
  
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  April 19, 2019 5:11pm
JibberJabber

Seriously, you can not make this shit up,

Dame Emma jets 5,400 miles to show how green she is! Actress issues call-to-arms for climate activists to back the protest currently crippling London – having flown from LA to make her point

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6938095/Dame-Emma-jets-5-400-miles-green-is.html
What next for Emma, chuck a Walrus off a cliff for Climate change?
Wait, that`s already been done.
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April 19, 2019 5:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  hahaha…
  and it’s ok for the XR leaders to take plane trips to exotic holiday sites… but not so the great unwashed
  https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/04/17/posh-eco-loon-no-holidays-except-for-me/
  
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  April 19, 2019 6:30pm
krazykiwi

Is Climate Change a cult?. Here are the key attributes of a cult:

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.

Yup, it’s a cult I’d say. And one that has a fear mongering global media doing their bidding.
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- nasska
  
  The only difference between a religion & a cult is that the former owns more real estate! 🙂
  
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  April 19, 2019 5:56pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    A cult is a religion too small to have its own army.
    
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    April 19, 2019 7:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Any reason why this list omits the other items from this fairly standard list?
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cult#Warning_signs_of_a_potentially_unsafe_group.2Fleader
  
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  April 19, 2019 6:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Just click on krazykiwi’s highlighted link
    you should get all 10 attributes.
    
    or try this link:
    https://medium.com/@hwater84/climate-change-and-the-ten-warning-signs-for-cults-56c181db82c1
    
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    April 19, 2019 7:32pm
rightoverlabour

Now that CGT is dead, will the housing market rebound?
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