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krazykiwi

Macron will be hoping to have his visage projected onto St Peters. Maybe some violet vestments to help with the camera appeal?
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April 17, 2019 8:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’ve just read that last Friday…
  
  ONE OF THREE women allegedly involved in a foiled plot in 2016 to blow up a car packed with gas canisters near the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris was today sentenced to eight years in prison by a French court for earlier offences.
  
  Ines Madani, 22, was sentenced following a three-day trial during which she was accused of encouraging would-be jihadists to go to Syria and participate in attacks against France between March 2015 and June 2016
  
  And 72 hours later a fire… which authorities were so fast to declare ‘accidental’ that they almost beat the fire crews to the site.
  
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  April 17, 2019 12:49pm
secondcumming

Listening to Winston Peters and his strident condemnation of *The Red Cross* for releasing the name of missing New Zealand nurse Louisa Akavi, it sounds as though he may well know a lot more than he’s currently letting on.
Perhaps we should be standing by for another of Winnie’s…… “I told you so” moments?
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April 17, 2019 8:13am
- G152
  
  Peters was hanging on`to that information for some touchee feelie event in the future.
  That’s why he got so mumblingly ‘upset’
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:28am
  - Liberty
    
    G152
    I suspect you are right. Col are timing the release of “ touchee feelie “ events to suit their egos.
    The next event will be Pyke River. A preview was a cry of the week on state TV “Sunday program”.
    
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    April 17, 2019 10:19am
- tf78
  
  Do you think it is more the actual “Red Cross” they don’t like – just like the Crusaders’ red cross.
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:35am
- alien
  
  The thing is if the Red Cross say that the government was alright with them releasing the name, and our govt says no they didn’t, I’d believe the Red Cross more than this bunch of idiots.
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:38am
  - The King
    
    The Red Cross are involved in child abuse and exploitation 21 have been fired and 6 arrested for child sex in the last 3 years.
    
    This is not a serious organization they aren’t doing anything about human trafficking in fact they are aiding it.
    
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    April 17, 2019 10:41am
- Yvette
  
  Considering Winston’s own argument of not drawing attention to this issue, why can I read his comments on the matter in the international edition of the Guardian, UK?
  Is his personal need to “have the last word” greater than the exemplary life of the woman his silence would supposedly shield?
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:49am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Now, kiddies, that is the very best example of:
    A rhetorical question.
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:07am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    re post…because Plato was a very clever man.
    
    Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
    Plato
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:56am
- Lizziep
  
  After 5 years really??? I think keeping her name secret for her protection is not a priority after all this time. She has waited for 5 years for some sort of action to support her release and now Winnie is saying it was to keep her safe. Honestly this is very sad.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:35am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Winston does not like being upstaged. I am sure both are in the right.
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:17am
lastmanstanding

A Boost for Freedom of Speech. Prof Peter Ridd the number one expert on the Barrier Reef was fired from James Cook Uni for saying that the climate change nutters who said the reef was falling apart were wrong.

The Oz Courts have found that he was unlawfully dismissed and sliced and diced JCU on every action it took against Ridd.

JCU like our Massey have shown that academia has been become an Evil Empire of oppression against freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

Once universities were the place of learning discussion and debate.

Now they are the Lefts school of propaganda churning out little clones of the Left that run them.

Those who value Free Speech For All must continue the fight against the Left whose agenda is to shut down anyone who doesnt agree with them.

In this of course they are aligned with Islam whose teachings require all to follow to faith or be punished.

The Left and Islam have much in common.
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April 17, 2019 8:14am
- burt
  
  So the consensus had it wrong… who’d have thunk it.
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:17am
  - cmm
    
    If you’re doing consensus you’re not doing science.
    
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    April 17, 2019 11:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here is the Judge’s ruling against James Cook University and in favour of Peter Ridd.
  https://s3.amazonaws.com/jo.nova/guest/aust/academic/ridd-peter/Ridd%20v%20James%20Cook%20University%202019%20FCCA%20997%20.pdf
  I like the way the Judgement clarifies that the cases is about Intellectual Freedom.
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:17am
  - mandk
    
    “The Court rules that the 17 findings made by the University, the two
    speech directions, the five confidentiality directions, the no satire
    direction, the censure and the final censure given by the University and
    the termination of employment of Professor Ridd by the University were
    all unlawful. ”
    
    I hope the Judge hands down exemplary damages.
    
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    April 17, 2019 8:25am
    - MickMac
      
      So who is going to gets sacked for illegal behaviour as an employer?
      
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      April 17, 2019 10:01am
      - freethinker
        
        Start with the University Chancellor and work down until everyone who was involved is looking for new employment or not.
        
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        April 17, 2019 1:41pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    From the Judgement:
    
    302. That is why intellectual freedom is so important. It allows academics to express their opinions without fear of reprisals. It allows a Charles Darwin to break free of the constraints of creationism. It allows an Albert Einstein to break free of the constraints of Newtonian physics. It allows the human race to question conventional wisdom in the neverending search for knowledge and truth. And that, at its core, is what higher learning is about. To suggest otherwise is to ignore why universities were created and why critically focussed academics remain central to all that university teaching claims to offer.
    
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/15/victory-climate-skeptic-scientist-peter-ridd-wins-big/
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:59am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      That Judge! You have to LOL. Universities are not places for critical thinking.
      
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      April 17, 2019 10:52am
  - Doctor Who
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/16/james-cook-university-professor-peter-ridds-sacking-ruled-unlawful
    
    “Some have thought that this trial was about freedom of speech and intellectual freedom. Media reports have considered that this trial was about silencing persons with controversial or unpopular views,” Vasta said in his judgement.
    
    “Rather, this trial was purely and simply about the proper construction of a clause in an enterprise agreement.”
    
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    Ridd was not sacked because he was wrong — although he is wrong — he was sacked because he breached a code of conduct.
    
    Climate deniers lie because they have no science.
    
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    April 17, 2019 10:14am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Are you dizzy from spinning so hard?
      
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      April 17, 2019 12:24pm
    - alloytoo
      
      The University refused to engage in the science with Ridd.
      
      Instead they sought to railroad him with the code of conduct, which (in the way they wished to apply it) at odds with the Enterprise Agreement which guaranteed academic freedoms and took precedence.
      
      Why do advocates for global warming seek to silence dissenting voices by every mechanism except robust academic discussion.
      
      Other groups which engage in similar behaviour tend to be religious nutters.
      
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      April 17, 2019 1:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/fake-photographs-at-heart-of-peter-ridds-sacking
      
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      April 17, 2019 1:54pm
      - Doctor Who
        
        https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/04/04/great-barrier-reef-sacked-scientist-peter-ridd-sky-news-ipa
        
        Ridd does not think that human-caused climate change is a problem, and he thinks the reef is in fabulous health. This has been his public position for at least a decade.
        
        But in 2017, Ridd started to publicly accuse his scientific colleagues, some of which were based at his own university in Townsville, Australia, of being untrustworthy. This went against the university’s code of conduct. The university censured him. Ridd refused to back down and made more statements. He published “private” university correspondence on his website. He was further disciplined, so he sued his employer. Then they fired him.
        
        Ridd and a former colleague Piers Larcombe claimed they had found flaws in nine scientific papers published between 2003 and 2013, mostly by scientists at the Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS).
        
        But in a response, the AIMS scientists wrote that Ridd’s criticism was based on “misinterpretation, selective use of data, and over simplification.”
        
        What’s more important though, is that the paper added: “Given their sincere call to improve quality control processes in science, it is interesting that nowhere in their Viewpoint article do Larcombe and Ridd make it clear to readers that many of their criticisms of the nine [Great Barrier Reef] papers have been raised previously and have been thoroughly addressed by the original authors.”
        
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        April 17, 2019 3:26pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I chipped in for this. Not much, but it was good to see so many people backing this cause.
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:36am
- ducklin71
  
  They have much in common indeed, and neither is compatible with freedom or western culture.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:40am
- Doctor Who
  
  Peter Ridd the number one expert on the Barrier Reef
  
  https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/04/04/great-barrier-reef-sacked-scientist-peter-ridd-sky-news-ipa
  On Health of the Great Barrier Reef and Case of Sacked Scientist Peter Ridd, Sky News Creates Alternate Reality
  
  Australia’s Great Barrier Reef is in some serious trouble, with the latest research in the journal Nature showing the number of new corals has dropped by 89 percent.
  
  In 2016 and 2017, the reef was smashed by back-to-back mass bleaching events and heat stress caused by global warming that killed about half the corals.
  
  “Dead corals don’t make babies,” said James Cook University’s Professor Terry Hughes, the paper’s lead author.
  
  “We used to think that the Great Barrier Reef was too big to fail — until now,” added colleague Professor Morgan Pratchett.
  
  The paper was just the latest in a steady and, many would agree, depressing parade of findings for the World Heritage icon. And if the scientific papers don’t do it for you, then there are always the pictures.
  
  But the release of the study served as a remarkable contrast to the way the Rupert Murdoch-owned Sky News, furnished with material from climate science denial think tank the Institute of Public Affairs, has been “reporting” on reef science in the past week.
  
  On at least five occasions the channel has interviewed the IPA’s policy director Gideon Rozner, who has been updating the channel on the case of Dr. Peter Ridd, a marine scientist specializing in sediments who was fired in March 2018 from James Cook University.
  
  According to the various interviews, the reef is in great shape, the science is probably wrong, and Ridd is a “world renowned” reef expert in a historic fight for freedom. None of this is true, yet the claims have been allowed to stand unchecked.
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:22am
- freethinker
  
  Same rule book.
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:26am
Simon

Israel Folau eh? So much for free speech. Did anyone in power stand up for his right to free speech? Any of those mongs in Wellington? Anyone anywhere?

Folau dropped by Aust, NSW & rugby sponsors. Suddenly he wasn’t such a good player and they had a go at his wife.

MSM still running hate against him. Just running punishment. Folau financially crippled, cant get another job & attempt at exile.

Folau being punished as much as possible just short of prison. There are already censorship rules in place.

Folau a blue print for what the statist scum want for all of society.
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April 17, 2019 8:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
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  Folau has only himself to blame. He was warned by his employer that there would be consequences if he repeated last year’s tweet; now he’s learning about those consequences.
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:25am
  - Sector 7g
    
    What if he was Muslim and made this claim?
    
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    April 17, 2019 8:37am
    - Tall Man
      
      He’d get a hug and a “smiling selfie”…….
      
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      April 17, 2019 9:17am
      - sooty
        
        From Cindy, no less!
        
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        April 17, 2019 9:30am
    - Surely Knott
      
      What if he was gay and they said you can be gay but please just don’t let anyone know you are, or make any posts about this part of your life. We don’t want our audience or sponsors to know – they are very conservative. Is that ok ? No! What if it’s in his contract? Still No! Because it would violate his human rights. His rights to life and liberty. To express his fundamental core beliefs. A contract should not extend to every single aspect of your being – 24/7. The correct response from Rugby should have been that Folaus religious beliefs and activities are no business of us an employer. We don’t as an organisation support his personal statements, we continue to have an inclusive organisation and team filled with people from many different countries, lifestyles, and religious beliefs. Mr Folau has a right to a his life and beliefs outside rugby and we won’t mandate against his or anyone else’s cultural, religious, sexual or political identity. We’re here to play great rugby.
      
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      April 17, 2019 9:35am
  - Nukuleka
    
    And you don’t see the implications of this type of free speech- control? If you support the fact that an employer has the right to contract what personal religious beliefs an employee can express it is but a short step till a government similarly takes upon itself the right to forcibly ‘contract’ what religious beliefs its citizens are allowed to express? Happens in China: why not Australia, the UK or NZ?
    
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    April 17, 2019 8:40am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      My wife and I are both Christians and employers. Christian principles underpin our business, but we are not particularly overt about our faith. We employ a number of non-Christians.
      
      We have a social media policy in place, signed off by an employment lawyer, that covers staff bringing the business into disrepute via social media. It is discussed with the staff members when they are inducted, and we’ve never had to formally invoke the policy. It all comes down to communicating the expectations.
      
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      April 17, 2019 8:49am
      - Peter S
        
        Looks like the AIR had omitted that step, so they have no grounds for action.
        
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        April 17, 2019 8:56am
      - Andrei
        
        The problem is how do you define “bringing the business into disrepute?”
        
        What has happened here is a particular vocal and noisy minority have organized a lynch mob to go after someone they disagree with.
        
        Where we end up is that public debate will be controlled by people who shout the loudest and most people will be too intimidated to participate.
        
        We are close to that already…
        
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        April 17, 2019 9:01am
      - Simon
        
        “He was warned by his employer that there would be consequences”
        
        It is far beyond a private employment matter. This is fairly clear. Although one means of punishment is to hurt his income.
        
        The attacks on Folau are still ongoing and are beyond employment. MSM had a go at his wife. Can you explain this?
        
        Overall its an attempt at exile for the crime of exercising his right to free speech.
        
        Can at least agree there are “consequences’ for speaking forbidden words. Statist scum want to widen these “consequences” for society as far as possible.
        
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        April 17, 2019 9:10am
      - Lizziep
        
        Interesting that you believe a Christian message is bringing the AFU into disrepute when you are a Christian.
        
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        April 17, 2019 9:38am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘It is far beyond a private employment matter.’
        
        yes simon that’s right. It has gone into a full blown media driven moral panic , witch hunt , a crusade even ( can we still use that word) . The media go and interview all and sundry for a sound bite , including our very own version of Richard, Cour de Lion , Steve Hansen , to get a pithy but oh so with it , “He firmly believes it so he’s just missing one piece of the jigsaw puzzle I think.”
        
        Guffaw , guffaw , guffaw……..
        
        Job done , cut , stop the presses .
        
        Aren’t we fucking great.
        Now let’s see what new thing the vultures in the media will move on to next.
        
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        April 17, 2019 9:40am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Try enforcing non-religous activity outside work as a term of an employment contract–not likely to succeed for all the reasons given here that is against freedom which the law is bound to uphold.
        
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        April 17, 2019 10:22am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      So what you are saying:
      Helen Clark “Electoral finance act” was just the first step.
      
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      April 17, 2019 10:19am
    - freethinker
      
      Correct but look at the way Europe is turning Nationalist (Right) and when the pendulum swings the left will scream when their rules and standards are applied against them.
      
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      April 17, 2019 10:29am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Folau is witnessing to the power of God’s word. It does have an effect on humans as they react to it. It has power to change peoples lives. The message was not of Folau but straight from scripture. Christians are called to give the Good News of Christmas and Easter to the world.
    
    Why should the message of Islam be acceptable and not the Good News of Christ?
    
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    April 17, 2019 8:46am
    - Batman
      
      Kev – Folau was spreading the fearful and resentful word of his nutty Hillsong Church.
      
      I’m all for christians spreading compassion and kindness, but anyone from any religion can keep their views on sinners to themselves, thanks very much.
      
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      April 17, 2019 11:29am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      All I can say is, imagine if Israel was white.
      
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      April 17, 2019 7:48pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Not everyone is fine with someone being sacked for talking about their religious beliefs on their own time, even if the employer has ‘warned’ them already.
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:08am
    - Batman
      
      He’s not being sacked for his views, he is being sacked for promoting them to his / the club’s fans.
      
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      April 17, 2019 11:29am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        It’s his private twitter account. People can choose to follow or not. To say he is not allowed to express his religious views anywhere that a rugby fan might hear them, is the same as saying he cannot express those views in public at all.
        
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        April 17, 2019 12:11pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://observers.france24.com/en/20180423-iran-morality-police-assault-woman-hijab
    BUT…BUT…she knew the rules.
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:13am
    - sooty
      
      While she’s in klink, they could do a bit of FGM, if she’s not done already!
      
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      April 17, 2019 9:33am
    - Tall Man
      
      She should have asked ardern…..
      
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      April 17, 2019 9:34am
- Scott
  
  Israel Folau has to be made an example of. That’s what the homosexual lobby is saying. That’s what the corporate sponsors such as Qantas are saying.
  
  Remember that Israel Folau put on Twitter and Instagram his statement about fornicators and homosexuals going to hell. If you don’t like what Israel said then you can block him on Twitter and unfollow him on Instagram. You don’t ever have to read his social media posts again!
  
  Remember what he said is also a spiritual statement. So he is not promoting harm against homosexuals, he is warning them of the consequences of their behaviour as it relates to the afterlife. So his statements are of a religious and spiritual nature. They are as per what the Bible says.
  
  Presumably the Australian rugby union will now put out a list of guidelines of what biblical passages are acceptable and which are not?
  
  Also does this stance apply to everyone or only to Christians?
  
  So if an atheist puts out something like “I don’t believe in hell but if I did there would be a special place in hell for homophobes like Israel Folau”. I have a distinct feeling that would be acceptable to the Australian rugby union and their corporate sponsors such as Qantas?
  
  Also can we please know if this ruling applies to Muslims? If for example a Muslim attends a mosque where he hears an anti-gay sermon would that be acceptable?
  Again I would be surprised if any Muslim is held to the same standard as Israel Folau?
  
  It’s amusing that this stance is being promoted on the grounds of “inclusivity”. It appears that inclusivity does not include Christians? Who knew that the Australian rugby union was so pro-homosexual and anti-Christian?
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:37am
  - Stephen James
    
    Well said Scott. I note the movie “Evan Almighty” is being shown on Good Friday. Double standards once again.
    
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    April 17, 2019 8:54am
  - Batman
    
    Scott, people who believe the complete nonsense that gay people and various other sinners will go to the make-believe place called hell is one thing; but promoting those theories to a large base of followers who are there because of the sport / club and not Israel’s sparking personality, is something else.
    
    I would certainly hope the same would happen to any Muslim sportsperson who put that on social media. Funnily enough there haven’t been any cases. Maybe Muslim sports people are smarter than Christian ones? Who knows!
    
    People should keep their personal beliefs to themselves and not try to put them upon others. That is a true conservative position and anyone who doesn’t believe that cannot call themselves conservative.
    
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    April 17, 2019 11:35am
    - Evadne
      
      Batman: Are all personal beliefs and thoughts to be kept private, and never expressed on social media, then?
      
      Does that include your personal belief that hell is a make-believe place? Or your personal belief that personal beliefs should be kept private?
      
      Or perhaps we can all act like rational people, and accept that while some people have ideas and beliefs that we don’t agree with, that is an opportunity to engage and debate and reason and challenge thinking. And not an excuse to shut them up and shun them.
      
      To which end, let me thank you for your contribution to this debate. My view differs from yours, but your comment made me think and consider what conservatism – and freedom of expression – means.
      
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      April 17, 2019 12:41pm
- Andrei
  
  Saracen’s No 8 Billy Vunipola is caught up in the fallout
  
  So this morning I got 3 phone calls from people telling me to ‘unlike’ the @izzyfolau post. This is my position on it. I don’t HATE anyone neither do I think I’m perfect. There just comes a point when you insult what I grew up believing in that you just say enough is enough, what he’s saying isn’t that he doesn’t like or love those people. He’s saying how we live our lives needs to be closer to how God intended them to be. Man was made for woman to pro create that was the goal no? I’m not perfect I’m at least everything on that list at least at one point in my life. It hurts to know that. But that’s why I believe there’s a God. To guide and protect us and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.
  
  I guess Christians will just have to go into the closet – so much for the much heralded ” inclusion and diversity”
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    At least it’s not compulsory to be gay……yet.
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:14am
    - MickMac
      
      But it is Tall man.
      All the liberals (incl on this blog), mean by inclusive and tolerant, Is it is not enough to just acknowledge differences of opinion or belief.
      
      You have to enable someone in what they do by not speaking out against it or acting against it even encouraging them. That is compulsory.
      
      Section 8 vote in USA for a man & woman Marriage, the Homosexual activists got hold of the names and went after them at their homes, schools and businesses.
      
      They the liberals are the fascists.
      
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      April 17, 2019 10:10am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.
    Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    
    Not showing this as a statement against Israel or any one else specific.
    Just as a comment about those who’s hypocrisy allows them to pick and choose, whose freedom of speech is allowed and whose isn’t and do they see the ridiculousness of that statement?
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:45am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Imagine if he’d have done something worse than quote the bible…
  I don’t know
  Maybe
  Started an AMWAY business or something?
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:39am
- kloyd0306
  
  The intolerant left would be delighted to see The Bible banned but are too scared to ban the Koran.
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:39am
- Micky
  
  Hypocritical Bigot: Those who loudly demand tolerance for their own views – but show none for others.
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:58am
  - Batman
    
    The perfect description of some on this blog
    
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    April 17, 2019 11:42am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Really???
      How do explain your presence?
      All views are ARGUED here, that is NOT intolerance, just differing points of view.
      
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      April 17, 2019 11:46am
      - Batman
        
        Yes, really.
        
        I’m a staunchly right wing libertarian, I’m hardly going to hang out with the comrades at the Stranded.
        
        My point, which I didn’t really make well, is that quite a few here are getting hysterical about freedom of speech and their religious rights, all while seeking to discriminate against those of other religions and continue the unjustified maligning of people with different sexual orientations which are no fault of their own.
        
        For people who claim to be conservative, there sure seem to be a few who can’t resist wanting to put their personal views upon others, which is very left-wing control freak of them.
        
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        April 17, 2019 12:00pm
hullkiwi

One Australian immigrant resident in Dunedin, shooting up two mosques, killing 50 and wounding 40 people and suddenly according to a poll….

New Zealanders are worried about racism in our society and believe Labour can fix it!

FFS, for everybody who thinks the immediately above statement is true…please go the doctor and get a certificate to attest that you do not have mental capacity to think independently and give the certificate to your local electoral officer to have your right to vote removed.

If you believe the second sentence of this post, you have been hoodwinked by a perverse Labour PR media campaign aided and abetted by the MSM. I have never heard anything more worrying for democracy in NZ. Sadly, it also says a great deal about the intellect of many New Zealanders. I shake my head in dismay!
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- MT_Tinman
  
  Sadly, it also says a great deal about the intellect of many New Zealanders. I shake my head in dismay!
  
  I can only concur.
  
  Sadly we have indeed become the Land of the Wrong White Crowd.
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:25am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Long whine cloud perhaps
    
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    April 17, 2019 5:54pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  The recent polls attest to the fact that the intellect of many New Zealanders can hardly be described as “Intellect”. The problem here is the MSM who have beatified our Dear Leader.
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:34am
  - hullkiwi
    
    RoL, I agree with you. After re-reading my post I should have written “lack of intellect of many New Zealanders”.
    
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    April 17, 2019 1:09pm
Simon

Whats with these gang members and their fruity cars & bikes?
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April 17, 2019 8:19am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Some might say it looks like they bat for the other side but of course I could not comment.
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:25am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Haemophilia Day!
It’s also Malbec World Day, so here’s to your very good health.
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April 17, 2019 8:24am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I don’t understand why world haemophilia day is not more widely reported by the MSM.
  
  After all, if it bleeds, it leads?
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:35am
Lee C

I think it was Bush Junior who won an election (apart from the cheating in Florida) people wondered despite incredible unpopularity how he did it. Well one strategy was to turn the election into a plebiscite about single-sex marriage. It ‘just happened’ that many states were running a referendum on it on the same day.
In my opinion, Cannabis is The Green/Labour coalition’s insurance policy. This is why the current administration are using Cannabis reform as a way to galvanise their voters to action next election.
Paula Bennett (yes, I did have to ‘search it’ as it appears to have magically dropped away from view) has an interesting view on this: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12222771
The National Party needs to sell its message to The Forgotten Voter’ and get on with it… IMO.
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April 17, 2019 8:25am
- gravedodger
  
  Don’t care how, why or whatever , keeping the appalling Gore out of the top job had to be success for all.
  Now he really was a deplorable and that is being kind.
  
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  April 17, 2019 11:59am
  - Batman
    
    Sacrificing democracy for political expediency. How very left wing.
    
    The whole Florida clusterfuck is a very interesting tale though! The Republicans had a very good ground game there will protesters on site very quickly to try and pressure the authorities
    
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    April 17, 2019 12:16pm
KevO'Brien

I have never been to Paris and almost certainly never will. Here is a 3D aerial view of the Notre Dame now and the surrounding area. Fascinating architecture.
https://gigarama.ru/notredame/
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April 17, 2019 8:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Awesome image; thanks Kev.
  
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  April 17, 2019 8:50am
srylands

Looks like we will need to depopulate and live in whare.

http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2019/04/climate-change-no-future-for-farming.html
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April 17, 2019 8:36am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I strongly encourage all who believe such horse-shit to jump to the front of the line in the rush to depopulate and subsistence farm. It gets two thumbs up from Darwin.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:36am
UrbanNeocolonialist

MSM redoubling their efforts to foment a Leadership coup within National. Given their left alignment it is patently the last thing National needs.
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April 17, 2019 8:39am
- artemisia
  
  National announced last year that 2018 was for consultation, 2019 is for policy development and 2020 for telling the policy to the nation.
  
  If they are sticking to that, the National leader will be front and centre next year. Just like Labour’s leader before the 2017 election, except with detailed and costed policies, and draft legislation.
  
  It would be a pity if Mr Bridges sees the boring prep through but does not get to lead next year.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:25am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Bridges will be there to complete the program, you heard it here for the 422nd time
    
    You’re welcome
    
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    April 17, 2019 6:00pm
Lee C

MMA “Happy World Haemophilia Day!”

I’m sorry, but I can’t support that kind of perversion.

Go wash your mouth out with soap.
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April 17, 2019 8:40am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I doubt that washing your mouth out with soap will help your haemophilia. A mothwash of malbec, however, though no more effective medicinally, will be much more pleasurable at least.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:47am
  - Batman
    
    I can’t believe that two people downticked this genuinely humourous comment.
    
    Lighten up folks!
    
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    April 17, 2019 12:34pm
Maggie Pie

We were watching BBC news last night and they showed an item about some of the amazing Relics they were able to save from the Notre Dame fire.
TBH, we had no idea the ‘Crown of Thorns’ that Jesus wore to his crucifiction more than 2000 years ago even still existed! How incredible is that?! As my partner reminded me, we bought a Rubber Plant for the lounge last year and that only lasted 6 months.
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April 17, 2019 8:44am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  2000 year old relics? frauds all. Was quite an industry in fabricating such items during the dark ages – eg shroud of turin.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:22am
  - Evadne
    
    The crown is at least 900 years old, so even as a “fraud” it is a valuable and significant historical artifact.
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:35am
  - Prince
    
    Amused at the reporter saying it was the crown of thorns worn by Jesus ‘at the resurrection’.
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:35am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Imagine that – a religion relying on fraud and deception to fleece its gullible adherents.
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:49am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Are you talking about the way socialists have turned the musings of Marx (a failed economic theory) into a religion?
      Something Marx himself would find abhorrent.
      
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      April 17, 2019 4:21pm
- waikatogirl
  
  How retro of you. There was a time a few decades ago it seemed every lounge in NZ had a rubber plant in the corner. ?
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:56am
Rich Prick

In these woke times, would it be wrong to buy a can of ceiling paint called superior white? I can’t seem to get anything right these days.
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April 17, 2019 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is difficult choosing the Right White.
  I’d go for an Off-White, but not Navajo White or China White, because…..
  https://www.elledecor.com/design-decorate/color/advice/a3448/the-right-white-a-70889/
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:25am
- Tall Man
  
  I think we’re buggered.
  
  We were thinking of having a white kitchen but then thought that was a bit racist so thought we’d go with black drawer fronts but then realised that was just tokenism so………
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You could try Red & Green
    https://passengershipsafety.com/paint-colors-for-kitchens/red-and-green-kitchen-cabinets-paint-colors/
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:40am
    - Tall Man
      
      Come on Maggy, surely you know “red and green should not be seen”.
      
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      April 17, 2019 9:50am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      BUT
      Wouldn’t they (in a red & green kitchen), lose:
      The radishes
      Rubarb
      Beetroot
      etc
      
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      April 17, 2019 10:00am
- waikatogirl
  
  Our ceiling paint has tiny black specs you can’t see in it that change the light. We’ve got the whole spectrum covered so to speak!
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s your Front door that defines you, it now seems.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/04/knock-knock-what-your-front-door-colour-says-about-you.html
    
    (not that there is any mention of a white door)
    
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    April 17, 2019 11:30am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    ceiling paint has tiny black specs
    Holes or mould?
    either way you will get a visit from the relevant agency to berate you about your housing WoF.
    
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    April 17, 2019 11:42am
- The King
  
  The real test is are you using Colgate Extra Whitening? Lay of the racist paste bigot.
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:47am
Hugh Pavletich

Global trade suffers biggest collapse since Great Recession … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/04/15/global-trade-suffers-biggest-collapse-since-great-recession/

A recent collapse in global trade is the worst since the financial crisis and as steep as during the recession of the early 2000s, according to new figures from the Dutch government. … read more via hyperlink above …
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China’s policy stimulus may worsen economic distortions: OECD – Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oecd-china-economy/chinas-policy-stimulus-may-worsen-economic-distortions-oecd-idUSKCN1RS0P7
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UPDATE 2-China’s home prices rise faster in March amid lending surge – Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/china-economy-houseprices/update-2-chinas-home-prices-rise-faster-in-march-amid-lending-surge-idUSL3N21Y0L9
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April 17, 2019 9:00am
- freethinker
  
  Quoting a drop of 1.8% as collapse is inflamatory and untrue – what will the Telegraph say when trade reduces by 20% or more in 2020??????????????
  Probably a minor temporary trade hiccup!!!!!!
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:42am
Evadne

On the Folau issue. If we might briefly put aside the (very real) issues of thought crime, discrimination, freedom of belief, and pillory by media,let’s look at what really got Folau sacked.

The ARU and honest commentators have all admitted that the ARU sacked Folau at the behest of their main sponsor, Qantas. Qantas effectively gave the ARU an ultimatum: sack Folau or we’ll pull our funding, and you’ll face financial ruin.

What was the ARU CEO to do? Roll over and submit? Or make clear that sponsors sponsor the team, and do not and cannot act as selectors, which is a coaching and management decision?

Or do the Qantas board get to pick and choose every Wallaby now? Get final say over every team list? Put forward their own candidates? (Eg. Pick my nephew, or I’ll withdraw my sponsorship.)

Qantas’s part in all this is nothing but corruption, coercion and blackmail.
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April 17, 2019 9:08am
- Tall Man
  
  Stop using qantas.
  
  We did that a while ago but not because the boss was a homosexual but because their attirude was shit, much like their budget airline jetstar.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:26am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Did the same to Air NZ, for the same reason.
    But found that it appears that flying has become almost as easy and common as catching a bus.
    The “service” has suffered as a result. (all airlines)
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:52am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Where do you think their CEO came from? It is no coincidence IMO
    
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    April 17, 2019 10:25am
  - Peter S
    
    I think the question needs to be asked if the head of Quantas is using the corporate might if the company for a personal agenda, and if this is not far more questionable a practice than Folau’s tweets, and where the real scandal lies.
    
    To test, turn things around an ask if it would be ok if he were a conservative Christian and using the threat of withdrawing sponsorship because a player had said that as an atheist he considered all Christians to be deluded and that their beliefs are bigoted don’t belong in modern society…….
    
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    April 17, 2019 10:34am
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.facebook.com/alanjonesaustralia/posts/383938815532400?__tn__=K-R
  Here’s a view.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:35am
  - Evadne
    
    A good read, thanks.
    
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    April 17, 2019 1:00pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Remember Alan Joyce oversaw a huge partnership deal with Emirates.
  
  And how does UAE treat gays? Well all sexual relations outside a heterosexual marriage are a crime. Punishments range from jail time, floggings, beatings, torture, death, fines and deportation if you are a non-citizen.
  
  Joyce is a hypocrite. Conveniently ignoring his principles when it suits his business aspirations, and remembering them again when it suits his virtue signalling programme.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:44am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Bit of a conundrum if they run into a gay masochist who likes a good flogging. The punishment is in effect another crime.
    
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    April 17, 2019 12:32pm
- freethinker
  
  And the response should be avoid using Qantas whenever possible – Virgin looks promising.
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:43am
- Rob2
  
  Interesting as I saw that AirNZ is again this year voted as the most respected company in AUSTRALIA. 😆
  Quantas. always been arses.
  
  https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/consumer/2019/04/16/air-nz-australia-trusted-brand/
  
  Perhaps AirNA should replace quantas as the prime sponsor.
  
  Now that could be a lot of fun. A joy to behold one might say.
  What about it AirNZ?
  Key can do the deal He really can.
  
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  April 17, 2019 11:44am
- gravedodger
  
  Would Alan Joyce’s first wallaby selected be David Pocock perchance, just asking for a friend yuno.
  Nek minnit.
  
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  April 17, 2019 2:24pm
unaha-closp

Hate speech laws are insano-world BS.

The idea behind hate speech laws is to make sure people with hateful views become loners. And becoming a loner is the highest indicator of propensity to carry out multiple victim acts of violence. Hate speech laws are quite possibly the worst response we could ever have try.
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April 17, 2019 9:21am
- unaha-closp
  
  Hate speech czars Aussie Gillian and Aussie Tim curated safe spaces and shoved off into the wilderness one Aussie Brenton. 50 are now dead.
  
  Can we all please make sure the idiocy of Aussie Gillian and Aussie Tim are fully appreciated on this side of the Tasman? Can we please not repeat their idiocy here?
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:45am
- The King
  
  Question: What are ‘hateful’ views? and who decides what ‘views’ are hateful?
  
  Tarrant never committed his act because he was a ‘loner’ it was revenge. Don’t let the media tell you why someone does something, because then you will never know. The media have an agenda and a narrative to create, truth and facts are not an option.
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:49am
Maggie Pie

A twitter follower of mine tweets:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4OtsZ3WsAAplK-.jpg

🙁 🙁 🙁
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April 17, 2019 9:21am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Various posts around the twitterverse and facebook, suggesting that Muslims cheered as the watched.
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:25am
- freethinker
  
  But who set the fire??????????????????????????????
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:44am
  - wreck1080
    
    Billy Joel, clearly.
    
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    April 17, 2019 11:11am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No we didn’t light it
      But we tried to fight it
      
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      April 17, 2019 11:57am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        So
        According to Mr Joel
        The earth is NOT flat.
        
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        April 17, 2019 12:22pm
- Morrissey
  
  Intentional or not, how come the French government can spend billions on weapons of mass destruction, and can’t even provide adequate fire-fighting equipment for France’s most treasured monuments?
  
  https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/04/notre-dame-and-lateral-thinking/
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:55am
  - unaha-closp
    
    France is a socialist country – their firefighters are extremely well paid, have great working hours, strict terms of employment, strong union representation and gain early retirement with generous pensions. Their adequacy of firefighting is not to be questioned.
    
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    April 17, 2019 2:14pm
- alien
  
  a friend of mine, who knows someone who knows someone, who works on a space ship, told me the moon is made of cheese.
  
  The proscuters have not been shy to label previous fires as suspecious or arson, they have not covered anything up, so for them to be stating it was an accident, perhaps you should pay attention instead of beliving in everything people post on the internet.
  
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  April 17, 2019 1:18pm
cas

last year us elderlies and others didn’t get the winter energy payments on 1 May as Jacinda said they needed an extra few weeks to get it absolutely right. So last year in a two pension household only one received the entitlement for both. With another year to get it even more right, the same thing has happened again. MSD say they can’t separate it. So it’s not absolutedly right.
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April 17, 2019 9:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  No it’s not right, it’s an absolute crock. And a fraction of what we were going to get from National before Winston shat on them.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:49am
- waikatogirl
  
  But Sepaloni said some pensioners received double payment of the winter energy payment and there is nothing she can do about it.
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:03am
- Happychappy
  
  You tell me anything that Labour has got right over the years that has not had to be revisited and fixed to close loopholes .
  
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  April 17, 2019 10:35am
- Paulus
  
  You should worry – my wife receives the payment for Winter power – yea – and I still pay all the bills.
  
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  April 17, 2019 1:52pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Join the club.
    
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    April 17, 2019 7:41pm
RW Capitalist

Maybe the CoL should measure what they say.

Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
Plato
Cullen and CGT comes to mind.
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April 17, 2019 9:48am
- freethinker
  
  Empty vessels make the most noise – Ardern comes to mind.
  
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  April 17, 2019 1:51pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    A clanging bell
    Hollow
    Monotonic
    repetitive
    
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    April 17, 2019 4:26pm
Happychappy

Who is right David Parker says it hasn’t been discussed in Cabinet yet the Herald comes out with this soon after.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12223054
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April 17, 2019 9:50am
- Evadne
  
  They’re probably both right.
  
  Major decisions aren’t discussed inn cabinet: they’re decided and proclaimed by our PM.
  
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  April 17, 2019 1:06pm
  - mandk
    
    Can’t be right.
    
    The PM told Parliament that all policies decisions are either discussed in Cabinet, or they were in the Coalition agreement.
    
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    April 17, 2019 4:29pm
RW Capitalist

With 1.2 billion Catholics giving $1 each
notre dame cathedral will be re built by this time next year.
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April 17, 2019 9:50am
- kowtow
  
  It would appear the building is owned by the French state. So even if the Left Footer Hierarchy came a begging , this Roman would not be pitching in.
  
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  April 17, 2019 3:50pm
Fletch

Rowan Atkinson on free speech – the answer to speech we don’t agree with is more speech, not less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubFIlcPSbeE
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April 17, 2019 9:51am
Ross12

I read where Francois Pinault ( French billionaire –owner of Gucci , Christies Auctions etc.) has pledged 100mill Euros towards the rebuild of the Notra Dame. I hope they use it wisely and it goes a long way towards a good restoration.
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April 17, 2019 10:07am
- RW Capitalist
  
  BUT BUT isn’t he one of those “rich pricks”?
  Good thing they didn’t put high taxes on him.
  
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  April 17, 2019 12:25pm
  - Jules99
    
    Everyone in France pays high taxes..
    
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    April 17, 2019 12:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      A lot of non compliance as well 🙂
      
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      April 17, 2019 2:18pm
Fletch

Another rugby star warned over his so-called anti-gay comments.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2019/04/rugby-england-s-billy-vunipola-handed-warning-over-anti-gay-comment.html

That’s the new rule, particularly if you’re a high-profile person – you’re not allowed to like or re-post memes that go against the liberal orthodoxy…
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April 17, 2019 10:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s almost as if some employers take exception to employees who damage the reputation of the business by spreading hateful lies.
  
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  April 17, 2019 11:55am
  - Doctor Who
    
    It’s almost as if some people don’t find overwhelming evidence overwhelming … preferring to lie with their tribe.
    
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    April 17, 2019 12:25pm
  - alien
    
    i read a story the other day, a young muslim in auckland who they are struggling to get help for. Bullied at school for being a muslim, has tried to commit suicide. People do not realise how their attitudes affect others and how adults and celebrities spreading their crap is picked up by children and repeated.
    
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    April 17, 2019 1:13pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And this relates to Israel Folau how?
      
      His list of sins basically encompassed the whole world and all he suggests is that those sinners repent so they don’t go to the bad “noddyland”.
      
      How can anyone be offended?
      
      As a happy ticker of quite a few of those sins I am ccertainly not offended, amused by others reactions though.
      
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      April 17, 2019 2:14pm
    - Happychappy
      
      That’s what happens when you take away discipline out of schools , bullying has happened for years and is more prominent now because their is no discipline and they know teachers can’t do a lot about it. There is good and bad in all races and it is not children’s fault it obviously comes from the way parents talk about others or senior students doing what has happened for decades bullying turd formers as the saying goes.
      
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      April 17, 2019 3:56pm
- kowtow
  
  Illiberal orthodoxy.
  
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  April 17, 2019 3:32pm
Peter S

Example of the worm starting to turn? I was surprised to see this on the Herald. Sure to make liberal heads explode and snowflakes melt….
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12223017
Fox news right all along?
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April 17, 2019 10:39am
- Doctor Who
  
  That is an opinion piece by a freelance writer.
  
  The 400 page report is to be released on Thursday. It does not exonerate Trump.
  
  He sacked James Comey to close down the FBI investigation – he said so himself. If nothing else the man is a bumbling fool.
  
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  April 17, 2019 12:01pm
  - freethinker
    
    Great to hear you got a copy before release, do you have this weeks winning Lotto numbers as well to share with me?
    
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    April 17, 2019 1:54pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I’d rather we had a “bumbling fool” like him in charge than the bumbling fool we currently have.
    
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    April 17, 2019 2:11pm
- Jules99
  
  My mum tut tuts when I mention Fox. She thinks CNN is a reputable news channel.
  
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  April 17, 2019 12:50pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That (redacted) Mueller report is being released this week, isn’t it? I wonder what it will show.
  
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  April 17, 2019 1:04pm
  - Inandout
    
    It will show the report is a gross waste of money.
    
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    April 17, 2019 1:33pm
ex-golfer

Another admission that their plan and rhetoric has not worked:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12222960

An extra $21.5 million and all the programme has done is reverse the progress of the previous 5 years! This is just another example of this useless government unraveling all of the good that Bill English was doing with his insistence that support should be targeted at those in the most need, early in the cycle.

Is Tracey Martin competing with Twyford as one of the most useless Ministers of the Crown?
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April 17, 2019 12:07pm
- alien
  
  interesting that tracey’s child had to wait 12 months to access help back when labour was last in government. Intersting to see also Autims NZ are speaking out against Tracey’s claims that it will take time to fix. Na, just a decent minister. Sad that someone with a child who needed help has continued to neglect children who need help and instead of focus on how the time frame went up under her has decided to blame the government that got the time frame hugely reduced
  
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  April 17, 2019 1:11pm
- Morrissey
  
  ….all of the good that Bill English was doing with his insistence that support should be targeted at those in the most need…
  
  The Double Dipper of Dipton certainly knew where to target the taxpayer dollars….
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2910957/Bill-English-buckles-over-housing-allowance
  
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  April 17, 2019 1:46pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Some Southland-based supporter of slush funds has registered his loathsome presence, I see.
    
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    April 17, 2019 2:20pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You do realise that it was quite nice when you weren’t here.
    
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    April 17, 2019 2:22pm
    - Batman
      
      Seconded!
      
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      April 17, 2019 2:27pm
    - Morrissey
      
      [Mod: Deleted, grossly inappropriate]
      
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      April 17, 2019 2:34pm
      - Batman
        
        This is a disgraceful comment. Conflating a terrorist attack with your ban from a political blog.
        
        You really are a sub-optimal person, Morrissey.
        
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        April 17, 2019 2:50pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Don’t forget that happened on Jacinda’s watch. Not a good idea to neglect security and hinder our intelligence agencies.
        
        This law change approved by Jacinda probably wasn’t a good idea either:
        
        Reported by Stuff –
        
        “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern oversaw recent changes which meant gun licence holders did not need to visit police stations when applying for permits for assault rifles, but could instead apply online.
        
        Previously under the Arms Act, if someone wanted to become a gun dealer, get a firearms licence, import a restricted weapon, or get a permit to buy a MSSA [military style semi-automatic], they had to physically deliver an application to their nearest police station.
        
        For example, if someone with an E-category endorsement was buying an MSSA, they would have to visit their police station for a permit, show the permit to the seller, and then take the weapon back to police.
        
        Under the changes, which came in just before Christmas, that process could be done online, and the firearm shown by video call. Police could ask to see the weapon in person if they were not satisfied they had identified it.”
        
        I guess she didn’t bother to read the proposed law change. A bit like she hadn’t bothered to read what was in the Treaty of Waitangi.
        
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        April 17, 2019 3:32pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Like you auckland island….I think that single change had the largest impact that enabled tarrant to progress his plan.
        
        I would also have preferred that any changes to the firearms act were delayed until we had the “report” from the royal commission in hand.
        
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        April 17, 2019 5:18pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        I guess the most appropriate response I could have to the unwanted return of Morrissey is to ignore it, so I will.
        
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        April 17, 2019 8:55pm
alien

Interesting. Just had a survey about the Crusaders. Three options put in the survey

Option 1 – Retain the ‘Crusaders’ name but change the branding and imagery

Option 2 – Undertake a complete rebranding, including the name and all imagery

Option 3 – I disagree with the above two options – they should stay the same
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April 17, 2019 1:39pm
tf78

They’ve chickened out on the CGT – surprise, surprise!
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April 17, 2019 2:11pm
Tall Man

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12223212

All they did was create a high paying job for cullen.

All the angst on here was as I thought, wasted energy.
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April 17, 2019 2:21pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Winston is very much in charge.
  There can only be one of two outcomes:
  1. This will make Labour more electable.
  2. Cindy will be seen as a lame duck and a traitor to the freeloaders who support her party.
  
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  April 17, 2019 3:58pm
rangitoto

Another $billion for Jacinda to find.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/04/auckland-city-rail-link-will-cost-1-billion-more-than-expected.html
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April 17, 2019 4:59pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Ah, what’s a Cathedral rebuild between the northern hemisphere socialists and the aspiring New Venezuelians in the South Pacific?
  
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  April 17, 2019 6:29pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And both the Petone-Grenada link and Melling Interchange have been put on the 10 year never-never.
  But plenty for Shifty Shane’s pork barrel.
  So much for the Hutt Valley when there’s a Nat MP.
  Worst Government ever.
  
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  April 17, 2019 7:53pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The transport agency confirmed just today that the Melling project meets the priorities set out in the government’s transport policy statement. So it’s now proceeding to a detailed business case before seeking funding approval for design work.
    
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    April 17, 2019 9:23pm
Surely Knott

Oh wait. Another long weekend press release. Phil Goffs rail loop blown out by $1 billion dollars. I guess he’s hoping between the Labour CGT backdown and easter maybe no one will notice.
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April 17, 2019 7:11pm
Captain Mainwaring

What better way to start a concert than with the tuneless squawking lefty Dave Dobbyn?
Switched to 7 sharp for the first time in about 2 years but even that crap was better than that clown.
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April 17, 2019 8:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sure, bro. Looking forward to some more in depth music criticism from you.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Good man…Why isn’t he in the Cabinet?

Shchetkova family allowed to stay after Minister Kris Faafoi’s intervention
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12223319
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April 17, 2019 9:16pm
- nasska
  
  He’s a standout. A pragmatic man yet still able to empathise with genuine people.
  
  Alas, his political future is hindered by his gender & heterosexuality.
  
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  April 17, 2019 9:29pm
Rob2

for DG
The Aussies are getting it right.

A man who killed a respected Otago-trained heart surgeon with a single punch has been jailed for manslaughter.

Joseph Esmaili, 24, punched Patrick Pritzwald-Stegmann in the head in May 2017 inside Box Hill Hospital.

The heart surgeon was on his way home after a shift when he saw Esmaili and his friends smoking cigarettes near the hospital entrance.

He was told by Esmaili “you need to suck my d***” and punched once in the head before he fell to the ground and landed hard on a tiled floor.

The 41-year-old was hospitalised for a month before he died.

This morning in the Victorian Supreme Court Judge Elizabeth Hollingworth sentenced Esmaili to 10 years and six months in jail.

Esmaili is the first Victorian to be sentenced under new fatal one-punch laws which carry a minimum jail term of 10 years.

He will not be eligible for parole for 10 years.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12223281
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