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andrew davies

The mysterious case of two rugby players.
One player had a religious objection to wearing some stars on his collar despite having signed a contract requiring him to do so. He sought special dispensation and the rugby authorities and general media put meal in their mouths and their hands around their ankles in order to accommodate his wishes.
Another player also voiced his religious convictions, also apparently in breach of his contract. He did not seek any special favours. The general response was to pour vitriol and hatred on his head amid demands that he be shunned by tearing up his contract. All the while mealy mouths were mumbling words like “tolerance”, “inclusion” and “bringing people together”.
Now I know. The way to be inclusive is to exclude those you disagree with.
Or could it be there is a much bigger picture in play here? If his words are not true then where is the harm? On the other hand, if they are true then they might be worth paying attention to. Does the strength of the reaction indicate the latter is the case?
Isn’t life interesting.
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April 16, 2019 8:01am
- mandk
  
  Funny thing is that player one, if asked, would say exactly the same supposedly objectionable things as player two.
  
  Unless, of course, he is hypocrite.
  
  Not that the MSM would care. After all, Islam is the religion of peace, isn’t it?
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:12am
  - burt
    
    Funny thing is that player one, if asked, would say exactly the same supposedly objectionable things as player two.
    
    But only one of them would think it’s perfect behaviour to see their 9 year old daughter married.
    
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    April 16, 2019 8:25am
    - David Garrett
      
      Where’s the overzealous moderator this morning? Your comment is no more or less factual than mine on “that religion”…mine was promptly deleted.
      
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      April 16, 2019 9:21am
      - burt
        
        Perhaps it’s that I didn’t say which one would be required to praise that behaviour.
        
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        April 16, 2019 9:22am
      - Andrei
        
        I lost a comment that quoted the bible the other day David Garrett
        
        Very disinheartening
        
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        April 16, 2019 9:40am
      - freethinker
        
        Try YSB.co.nz were comments after the first are retrospectively moderated and very lightly. Many KB posters already there.
        
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        April 16, 2019 10:45am
      - calendar girl
        
        freethinker: When I google YSB.co.nz I get the following response:
        
        “No information is available for this page.”
        
        Is the website address accurate?
        
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        April 16, 2019 11:21am
      - calendar girl
        
        Now got it: https://ysb.co.nz/
        
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        April 16, 2019 11:24am
- kowtow
  
  We’re witnessing a new Cultural Revolution , comrade, a modern style witch hunt with all the irrationality and cruelty that goes with such moral panics.
  
  And the media , the very people only a few short weeks ago peddling love and inclusion as our most cherished values are the ones who have picked up this ball and created this whirlwind of hate.
  
  Funny how when Tiger was down they put the boot in and now he’s up again the same media want to re polish the halo they took off him.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:16am
  - Ruawai
    
    Now they are after Craig Smith author of the Wonkey Donkey for his golliwog song.
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:53am
    - Rich Prick
      
      If the woke ones are going to get all offended over every little thing, the rest of us should go out of our way to get our money’s worth. It could be quite fun.
      
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      April 16, 2019 10:47am
- Tall Man
  
  Very well put Andrew. As someone who ticked quite a few of his “sin list” I am not even mildly offended but highly amused at the response from gay people.
  
  What they seem to want is for no one out there to have an opinion that is different to their own.
  
  Do we all have to like lattes and chardonnay as well? At what point are we allowed to have a differing opinion. How about rugby players? Do we all have to love SBW because he belongs to the “new religion” and do we all have the “hate” Kieran Read because he “represents” nasty “crusaders” pillaging muslim lands.
  
  And are we allowed to express our opinion, regardless of how stupid, irrelevant or even absurd it may be?
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:25am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How can a contract for kicking a ball lawfully prevent a player in his own time expressing his religious views?
  This seems to be unenforceable as contrary to public policy. Such a contract does not give ownership of a player or slave rights.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:30am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    When his views bring his employer into disrepute, or puts significant sponsorships at risk, the employer has every right to act.
    
    Many businesses now have social media policies covering how employees should or shouldn’t behave on social media. Let’s say for example a teacher constantly posts on FB about their weekends getting wasted; would you have concerns about that person teaching your child?
    
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    April 16, 2019 10:03am
    - peterwn
      
      It is Rugby Australia’s problem not Israel Folau’s problem. Seems he could not care less. Rugby Australia still has not got round to sacking him (ie cancelling his contract). The best they can do at the moment is to try and tell people he is not such a rugby hot-shot after all. The problem for Rugby australia is Israel doen not need to sign for the dole at the local Centrelink office any time soon.
      As I have said at various times (right back to the nz.politics days when the late Janice Graham was a frequent poster) only limited groups of people have real freedom of expression, principally the retired (unless NZ Super becomes ‘attitude’ tested) and those who have ‘made it’ financially, Bob Jones being the outstanding example. Most others are constrained by their employment situation, relationships with professional bodies, clients etc. At least two law graduated have not been called to the bar over this for example (one has a ‘mens rights’ mission and the other a ‘pro gun’ mission).
      Israel Folau has ‘made it’ financially so is in the lucky situation of being able to express his beliefs without fear and being able to give the finger to Rugby Australia, thus giving rugby administrators a big headache.
      
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      April 16, 2019 10:35am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      His duty to his employer must have limitations. It probably doesn’t allow him to bring to bring a tame crocodile into the players’ dressing room or onto the fields. Also it probably doesn’t allow him to set up a competing team simultaneously. Arguing that whatever he does outside his strict team contract is also the team’s business may be to reduce him to slavery.
      
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      April 16, 2019 2:14pm
- alien
  
  Difference is one player has the brains to keep any such belief quiet. Btw can you remember the last time kids were committing suicide because their bank logo wasn’t on a shirt?
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:56am
  - dave_c_
    
    Alien – you are wrong.
    The player has succumbed to the demands by the elites and status quo demands that they don’t voice opinions that might offend the snowflakes of this world.
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:35am
    - alien
      
      Kids are committing suicide because of the bullying that is thrown at them because of their sexuality. Too many kids look up and copy idiots like this
      
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      April 16, 2019 12:15pm
      - Sacha
        
        I blame the parents. If they are talking to their kids on a daily basis about the minutiae of daily life, they will see when their kids are troubled.
        Parents are the guardians of the young, but too many of them have no idea what they should be doing and many are too engrossed in their own personal activities to even think of their kids. Parent should be saying that ‘this is not right’, or’ do not let this worry you’ or, ‘remember that home os our safe place’ -and make it so.
        To be an attentive parent is not hard, but it does take time.
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:45pm
- srylands
  
  IIRC Hashim Amla the Muslim South Africa cricketer got special dispensation from wearing the sponsor’s logo on his kit when that sponsor was a brewery.
  
  I don’t follow rugby and I have no time for religion. But Israel seems like a dick. But the best response for those who disagree should be to laugh at him. Destroying his livelihood sets a bad precedent. It will have all of us hesitating to voice any opinions that are in violation of the current left orthodoxy.
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:20am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  andrew davies
  If SBW is a good Muslim, then his views will be no different to Christian Folau’s. I can’t imagine why there is a blatant double-standard and moral relativism at play…
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:21am
  - Maria
    
    Islam requires the death penality for homosexuals. SBW may not agree with that of course.
    
    However, to assume that there would be no difference between the Islamic view and the Christian view is incorrect.
    
    Christianity demands no such death penalty.
    
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    April 16, 2019 12:41pm
- herb1
  
  I wondered why the PM of New Zealand thought it appropriate to attack an Australian sportsman for his comments on homosexuality.
  I then realised that probably wasn’t what upset her.
  It was the comments on liars and fornicators going to hell that set her off
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:21am
  - srylands
    
    I don’t care who people have sex with. But we have a significant minority of religious people who think homosexuality is evil. These people are going to express their views.
    
    I would rather the government focuses on getting anti vaxxers to STFU. They actually kill people, as opposed to just causing hurty feelings.
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:46am
    - alien
      
      Except for the kids struggling with their sexuality that take their lives because of the homophobic views pushed on them by others. So yes, attitudes like his do kill people
      
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      April 16, 2019 12:17pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        alien
        “the kids struggling with their sexuality that take their lives because of the homophobic views pushed on them by others”
        Maybe they take their own lives because of their own agency and decisions, rather than on some imagined external force necessarily leading to that outcome and serving as a scapegoat in lieu of personal responsibility. Nobody I know cares one iota about anyone else’s sexual preference.
        
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        April 16, 2019 12:47pm
      - andrew davies
        
        “Killed by an attitude”.
        That is some epitaph.
        Thanks alien.
        
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        April 16, 2019 1:28pm
  - Rob2
    
    😆
    
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    April 16, 2019 10:24am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Why are we bothering to celebrate Easter, or Xmas, so selective on which bits of the bible are okay.
  
  I am quite happy to believe that Muslims believe the word of the Koran, to the letter, where is the opprobrium?
  
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  April 16, 2019 3:11pm
Evadne

Anyone who had dealt with Auckland Transport knows they show scant regard for those people most affected by their wide-ranging and community-changing decisions.

Latest example: refusing to come to a public meeting in St Heliers because the crowd would be ‘hostile’ and staff safety at risk.

And the terrifying hordes? A group , including “many elderly people”, booing.

So, basically they won’t front up to anyone who disagrees with them, or seek to engage meaningfully with the community’s concerns.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12222671
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April 16, 2019 8:09am
- peterwn
  
  Walking sticks, crutches and walking frames can be used as weapons.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:18am
- alex Masterley
  
  Once again At cover themselves with glory, not content with stuffing up the central city they are moving out to the ‘burbs.
  As a collective they could not find their backside with both hands.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:19am
  - freethinker
    
    The minister of finance may be able to help.
    
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    April 16, 2019 10:51am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Apart from the bellend in Kapiti who found someone else’s backside with him manhood
    
    Who said dancing was the most fun one can have with ones clothes on? Not in Kapiti apparently!
    
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    April 16, 2019 11:35am
  - alloytoo
    
    AT transport appears to be inhabited by bicycle nutters, who can’t fathom that in a hilly rainy city some of us like our nice warm cars.
    
    At very least to get to the “Park ‘n Ride”.
    
    They also need to understand the “park” bit requires “parkings” to “Park” in. This appears to elude them.
    
    They also promote car pools, unknowing perhaps that car pools encourage regular folk to slit their own wrists.
    
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    April 16, 2019 11:54am
- hullkiwi
  
  There was more risk to staff safety anywhere else in Auckland than St Heliers. Or might it be because a senior AT executive lives in neighbouring Glendowie and might have some direct responsibility in the shambles in St Heliers.
  
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  April 16, 2019 2:09pm
ldypen

I see that the election campaign is well under way https://youtu.be/i4_WuFTX-5E
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April 16, 2019 8:13am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Now I know the meaning of the expression.
  “Many a true thing, said in Jest”.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:45am
- sooty
  
  What do you expect with 200 working groups all working on the reelection on the tax payers dime!
  Who said that Labour was not silly. They are not going to turn down free money! Helen proved that in the past!
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can’t stop scratching after viewing that.
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:19am
Maggie Pie

My partner was in 0ne of his ‘moods this morning.
Just as he was heading out the door to work, he stops in the kitchen to listen to the PM being interviewd by Mike Yardley on her regular Tuesday ZB breakfast slot. As i hand him his lunch box he sez, “Listen to this soft-cock will ya! Whens that Hosking back?”
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April 16, 2019 8:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  My partner was in 0ne of his ‘moods this morning.
  
  You shouldn’t hog all the duvet on these cold nights.
  Keep him warm and his “moods” will disappear overnight.
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:23am
JibberJabber

NZRU should be worried, Spark going all out to kill rugby.
To buy access to an app that doesn`t work is going to cost you from between $24.99 to $89.99.

Spark Sport is not currently available on Apple TV.
Spark Sport is not currently available to watch using an app on Smart TVs.

If you think they can get these issues sorted by Sept, I`ve a bridge for sale.
It took SKY the best part of 10 years to get their SkyGo app to work properly.
Gonna be lots of pissed off punters come September, you can almost guarantee Spark will cock this up.
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April 16, 2019 8:20am
- Tall Man
  
  Um, SkyGo really doesn’t work in my opinion.
  
  We travel for lengthy periods and SkyGo does not work overseas.
  
  Luckily we are able to access a vast number of free to air sports channels either online or through local service providers and at a vastly lower cost than our lovely “monopoly” deliverers in NZ
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:35am
  - JibberJabber
    
    I`ve finally got it to work on me desktop in the last 10 months, don`t even attempt it on the phone.
    Even then the on-demand is BS, try watching an episode of a show you are following, all I get is “currently unavailable” even if is only a week old.
    So yeah, Netflix and Amazon Prime keeps me entertained.
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:23am
    - Batman
      
      Sky go is utter trash on desktop, a low quality and low frame rate mess.
      
      Weirdly it works better on the Android phone app, but it’s still not very good.
      
      Both of those things are deliberate choices by Sky. Their previous strategy was to degrade and restrict their other products in order to force people to pay for the full satellite service. This is why FanPass was a ridiculous $99 a month until last week.
      
      Mind you, I only use it for live sport.
      
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      April 16, 2019 12:10pm
- alien
  
  Well according to their page it is on Apple TV
  https://www.sparknz.co.nz/news/Spark_Sport_now_live/
  
  It is still in beta, gives them time to fix any issues and I believe they said that if it had to it would be tens if they had issues
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:04am
  - alien
    
    That should be if it had to it would be on tvnz
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:14am
- rangitoto
  
  I have been watching F1 on Spark Sport. Good coverage (ironically it’s Sky UK). I don’t care about a TV app. Just play on the big screen with a HDMI cable from my laptop. If I had a newer TV I could screencast with no cable.
  
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  April 16, 2019 10:00am
  - Batman
    
    Yes same here. It was good this weekend for the Chinese GP, the sound mixing was perfectly fine unlike the first few streams in Australia. I’m pretty confident that they’ll have it sorted for the RWC.
    
    I think there is a lot of hesitance from technology averse people who might have a ‘smart’ TV and that is the extent of their prowess.
    
    Most newer TV’s have a cast functionality, and frankly if you can afford a big screen TV you can afford to buy a Chromecast for $60 which will make your life a lot easier for all of your watching needs anyway!
    
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    April 16, 2019 12:15pm
- howitis
  
  As the Princess would say ‘read between the lines’.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/111748619/spark-ceo-simon-moutter-resigns
  Spark managing director Simon Moutter has resigned from the telco.
  Moutter will leave the positions of managing director and director of the company from July 1.
  
  Uh Huh. Well clear of the RWC and you won’t be able to criticise the new CEO because she is a woman – Jolie Hodson – so any criticism is sexist.
  You MCPs.
  
  Problem solved.
  Any failure can be flicked back to the ghost of Moutter.
  
  The TV channel that is back-up for viewing is Duke. I am not sure of its coverage but it is a ‘bad channel’.
  Marvellous Lizzy told us so.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/77038025/null
  …Within hours of announcing its new name, the new male-skewed channel Duke TV has drawn backlash from singer and social media activist Lizzie Marvelly…
  
  Her twitter at the time:-.
  
  TVNZ’s Duke makes me want to puke.
  11:21 AM – Feb 18, 2016
  
  Lizzie Marvelly
  ✔@LizzieMarvelly
  
  I have a slogan for TVNZ (free of charge)- “Puke: the channel so full of sexist bullshit it’ll make you want to be sick.” #puketvnz
  
  .@DUKETVNZ’s twitter account: coz apparently the menz can only read short sentences. #PUKETVNZ
  
  We got that sorted.
  Lizzy sure does not like men. But that is OK.
  If you went turbo on women like this on twitter you would be out of a job and run out of town but women,, um, wo-person gets a free pass.
  Kind of like a Jussie Smollett vs Rosanne situation.
  One gets a free pass and the other gets crucified.
  
  Wonder how that will go with hate speech laws?
  
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  April 16, 2019 10:40am
burt

Any news on the Labour party protected sexual predator from the youth camp having his day in court or have all charges been withdrawn and an out of court settlement reached?
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April 16, 2019 8:23am
- KiWombat
  
  But the baby is crawling, can’t talk about the serious stuff at such a joyous time !
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:55am
Paulus

Whilst not generally sympathetic to the French how really saddening to watch Notre Dame burning.
Even more sad that the Fire Chief said that he does not think they can save it.
It took almost 300 years to build from the year 1100 onwards.
Having been there a couple of times I find it devastating.
I hope it will be rebuilt – probably will be slightly longer than Christchurch Cathedral though although cannot be sure.
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April 16, 2019 8:23am
- G152
  
  A noted christian building destroyed in Paris.
  Makes room for another mosque
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:36am
  - Batman
    
    You’ll be pleased to hear that Macron has pledged to rebuild it then!
    
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    April 16, 2019 1:10pm
    - Paulus
      
      No – Macron says he will lead a Subscription to rebuild the Cathedral.
      
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      April 16, 2019 1:17pm
      - Batman
        
        Ok semantics if you will.
        
        Either way, it’ll be rebuilt.
        
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        April 16, 2019 1:24pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Either way, it’ll be rebuilt”…..
        
        With a bell tower or a minaret?
        
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        April 16, 2019 5:05pm
- RRM
  
  It took ten years to rebuild the Frauenkirche that was destroyed in the WW2 bombing of Dresden. Hope springs eternal…? Cranes, trucks and scissor lifts are a lot better now than they were in the dark ages.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:51am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    OSH is a bit more stringent now so that will just about negate all the technological advances since 1100 and then there will be the French socialist equivalent of the RMA with union workers so 300 years could be a quick rebuild
    
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    April 16, 2019 11:41am
    - septic skeptic
      
      I reckon it will take less time than Chch Cathedral.
      
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      April 16, 2019 1:23pm
- Sacha
  
  There is a short video on youtube which describes why the refurbishment was necessary. The foundations were crumbling; the lead roofing turning to dust. The very bricks and mortar falling way.
  A tragedy, this fire, but a complete and faithfully executed rebuild should last another 800 years.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:53am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Ha. I think this fire will ‘spark’ copycat arsons just because certain elements will be enthralled by the wailing of christians and the media attention garnered.
    
    France is in it’s final 1-2 decades as a secular state, teetering on the brink of financial ruin (debt at 97% of GDP), massive (>25%) 15-24 yr old unemployment – which is a death sentence for any state (EU average is 20% !!!). Huge political malaise. Maybe it will be rebuilt, but just as likely it will be wrecked again in coming century by forces of darkness/poverty.
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:30am
- Ford Prefect
  
  The pictures are terrible. However, if London can rebuild the Cutty Sark, which was pretty much destroyed by fire, then the French can rebuild Notre Dame
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:14am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Paulus
  Notre Dame Cathedral up in flames. I’m not sure you could ask for a better metaphor depicting the fall of the West.
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:25am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Rome?
    
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    April 16, 2019 3:23pm
- Peter S
  
  Maybe our “esteemed” P.M. can pose looking sad and wearing a fake hunch on her back to show the world her, sorry, our deepest sympathy & support.
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:54am
  - Peter S
    
    #Je Suis Quazimodo.
    
    Come on down ticker. Get a sense of humour implant.
    
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    April 16, 2019 10:37am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Peter S
      I bet it was Saint Jacinda herself, maybe Clarke. I would speculate that it was Neve, but indocrination of children takes some time.
      
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      April 16, 2019 12:26pm
  - Lizziep
    
    Brilliant Paulus
    
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    April 16, 2019 12:09pm
  - RF
    
    Peter S
    
    I have just wet my pants laughing.
    
    I can just picture it….
    
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    April 16, 2019 12:14pm
    - Peter S
      
      Now if I just had photo shop installed, I could do a nice image of the Hunchback of Notre Ardern projected on to the Eiffel tower. 😉
      
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      April 16, 2019 3:18pm
KevO'Brien

Notre Dame fire:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6925015/Fire-breaks-historic-Notre-Dame-cathedral-Paris.html
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April 16, 2019 8:25am
- thetiedarch
  
  I’m in Melbourne at the moment. Watching their morning news. Didn’t take long for trump derangement syndrome to rear its head. They just had to mock trump for asking the same question we all are – that is why aren’t monsoon buckets being used.
  
  An iconic building is burning, but they’ve just gotta have their daily dose of tramp hate. Sigh.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:52am
  - SGA
    
    They just had to mock trump for asking the same question we all are – that is why aren’t monsoon buckets being used.
    
    I’ve always assumed that fire services didn’t use monsoon buckets on buildings because the sheer weight of water would likely cause significant damage in its own right (and any firefighters in or near the building would be at risk, I suppose). Also, the roof has to already be absent or it will just run off (given it holds the weight of 100’s of kg of water).
    Not so?
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:05am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      They haven’t used monsoon buckets because a significant number of fireman have been inside the cathedral carrying many of its treasures to safety. If you dropped a weight of water from above, you’d kill them.
      
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      April 16, 2019 10:08am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Use powdered Fire retardant instead of water.
      Also the water doesn’t have to be ‘dumped’ it can be released steadily
      But usually if they can get big hoses close they are more effective
      
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      April 16, 2019 10:33am
  - fernglas
    
    True. I bet the French would never have thought of it if Trump hadn’t mentioned it, and now they will probably claim that they considered it and discounted it because of the risk to public safety. And Boeing will probably never acknowledge the source of the genius inspiration to rebrand the 737 Max and add some great features. A profit truly has no honour in his own country, as Jesus said
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:07am
    - Hacked-Off
      
      Except that Trump’s Aircraft Travel Company collapsed in the 2000s. He is not an expert on anything except debt and how to get suckers to pay for his financial disasters rather than himself.
      
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      April 16, 2019 10:22am
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        April 16, 2019 10:33am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      prophet?
      
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      April 16, 2019 3:28pm
  - sooty
    
    There is one problem when you drop water from on high. Even 20lt of water dropped from 3 storeys by your mates, ony our head will just about floor you!
    A big bucket on a fire weakened structure, who knows?
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:17am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    “We all” are not the President of the United States, and therefore don’t have his duty to consider carefully before shooting our mouths off to insult the professional competence and expertise of another country’s fire services
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:52am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Sheesh
      He made a suggestion but you call it ‘insult the professional competence etc’
      Talk about TDS.
      
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      April 16, 2019 10:35am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Just to add.
        It’s come out that because Notre Dame is on an Island the Fire Fighters had difficulty getting equipment with water tanks and hoses to fight the fire.
        They actually did consider using Helicopters to try and control it until they could. It took almost an hour until they could get started fighting it.
        So maybe Trump was onto it.
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    Well they had plenty of water near by , but that’s in seine.
    
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    April 16, 2019 10:12am
  - Batman
    
    Because Trump’s comment was, as usual, stupid.
    
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    April 16, 2019 1:14pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Of course. Yet he will have plenty of defenders here on this point, as on all of his ignorant and asinine ideas.
      Have there been more tweets from the fireman-in-chief?
      “Why didn’t the French just rake around their cathedral?”
      “I know about every form of safety that you can have”
      “I know more about cathedrals than the architects do”
      “As a builder, nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump”
      “Having a drone fly overhead — and I think nobody knows much more about technology, this type of technology certainly, than I do”
      
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      April 16, 2019 2:06pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      The TDS is strong in this one.
      
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      April 16, 2019 2:08pm
    - cmm
      
      “Because Trump’s comment was, as usual, stupid.”
      
      I don’t know which one you’re talking about, but the MSM does a good job of filtering what he says to make him look stupid.
      
      If you read what the MSM says you’re doing both Trump and yourself a disservice.
      
      Even without the filtering, he sometimes does say dumn stuff, but rarely.
      
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      April 16, 2019 3:39pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Okay, so let’s look at his tweet:
        “So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!”
        
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        April 16, 2019 3:55pm
Shaun the Sheep

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/apr/15/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-paris-france-landmark-live-news

Seems a total loss is expected.
Very sad, especially for Parisian Catholics during Easter week.
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April 16, 2019 8:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I feel gutted too. As a Christian, although not a Roman, our roots go back through these ancient mother churches.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:33am
- krazykiwi
  
  Apparently the fire broke out “minutes after the building closed to the public” on Monday evening.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:42am
  - artemisia
    
    If the Notre Dame fire appears to be arson there will be a major backlash.
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:11am
- Maggie Pie
  
  What dreadful news. My partners immediate concern was for the Hunchback.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:55am
  - SGA
    
    He’ll get sanctuary somewhere, I’m sure.
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:18am
- cmm
  
  It opens up some space to build a mosque.
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    or another glass pyramid
    http://www.aviewoncities.com/paris/louvrepyramid.htm
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:12am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      The glass pyramid that roasts the humans underneath it on a sunny day!
      
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      April 16, 2019 12:09pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Or a “multi faith centre” as recently espoused by our own celebrity star, Mr Sam Neill.
    Then, as with the Christchurch Cathedral, the Notre Dame parishioners wont have to put up with the boredom of old males dressed in funny clothes droning on for hours.
    Build a plastic multi faith centre in it’s place. Who needs the splendour of ancient buildings, artworks, and tradition.
    I suggest NZ sends over a consignment of plastic chairs from the Warehouse as our contribution to the new centre,
    
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    April 16, 2019 12:45pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      How can there be multifaiths as one? The Islamic worlds cannot even tolerate different branches of their own beliefs.
      
      Christians and Islam are quite separate. We have Easter this week when we remember the crucifixion of God’s Son, Jesus Christ, in payment for our disobedience and the glorious resurrection. That gives Christian believers permanent hope. Islam and other faiths have none of that. They can get it by the acceptance of Jesus as their Saviour. The gift of eternal life is free to all.
      
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      April 16, 2019 2:55pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Catholic Churches are being desecrated across France- and officials don’t know why’
  ?
  https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:13am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yes, what a mystery. In other news French is now about 10% Muslim (estimate only as illegal to collect census data on religion in France)
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:35am
    - kevn
      
      @urban.. As the percentage increases, so does the unrest.
      
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      April 16, 2019 10:07am
      - Batman
        
        Or it could be the long history of sexual abuse which the church has done itself no favours over…
        
        It’s not like other Christian churches are being vandalised
        
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        April 16, 2019 1:16pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Batman: French christianity is about 90-95% catholic. Used to be closer to 100% pre-revolution. They own all the old flash churchs and cathedrals etc. Quelle surpise that it is catholic churches that are targeted.
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:18pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    A hint perhaps in the reactions of huge numbers of France’s Muslim citizens to the Notre Dame fire: https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet
    
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    April 16, 2019 11:31am
- kowtow
  
  Parisian Catholics ? Are there any ?
  
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  April 16, 2019 10:16am
- Ross12
  
  It looks like it is only the roof that has been lost. The rest is OK. It was undergoing major restoration work so many valuable items had been removed while it took place.
  
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  April 16, 2019 10:38am
Simon

There is a shaved baboon travelling up and down the country just pissing away $3 billion . What a racket.
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April 16, 2019 8:27am
- Tall Man
  
  Never seen it with it’s jacket off…how do you it’s shaved…it may be only a trim.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:43am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Definitely not trim lol
    
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    April 16, 2019 3:58pm
    - ducklin71
      
      Ever heard of Hairbutt the Hippo? Lol.
      
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      April 20, 2019 5:20pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Getting this one past the mods. Legend 🙂
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  He’s not pissing it away( in his view anyway) , he’s buying his future. On our dime. Via the lady who can do no wrong.
  
  Where’s the media to hold power to account ?
  
  Not a chance.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:46am
  - sooty
    
    What about the taxpayer spending millions on Labours election!
    The Greens must be pissed that they have not been given any free money!
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:22am
    - kowtow
      
      Their chance is coming. So keep working comrade , the taxes are only going to get steeper, and objections classed as “hate speech” or ‘climate crimes’.
      
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      April 16, 2019 10:18am
- RRM
  
  ? Jesus christ.
  
  And some of the names I call politicians have been getting moderated!
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:47am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Reported. “Shaved baboon” is textbook old school racism
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    I really hope you are being sarcastic.
    
    Isn’t the phrase “old school” ageist?
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:16am
  - sooty
    
    Spoil sport, namby bamby!
    Go that man who wrote the Wonkey Donky. A song he had from 10yrs ago about his childhood toy a Golliwog. The woke snowflakes all have their knickers in a twist over it!
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:26am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      I have no problem with you calling me spoil sport and namby pamby. Neither do I have any sympathy with people who are so desperate to find something to be offended about that they have to go trawling back into childhood history for trivialities to apply today’s moral codes to.
      
      But I still think “shaved baboon”, applied to an actual human being, is beyond acceptable.
      
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      April 16, 2019 10:00am
      - Simon
        
        Enjoy
        
        https://www.artspace.com/banksy/monkey-parliament
        
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        April 16, 2019 10:09am
      - Tall Man
        
        And yet you’re happy for the same person to be called a “politician” when he is anything but…
        
        Even the two non male vitriolic green mps, I assume you think they are human as well…
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:06pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Just for you Simon…
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73QtwAOq8LA
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:09pm
  - The King
    
    Are you ok Albert? do you need a safe space?, pretty sure facebook will cater to your needs, they will protect you from these meanies and words.
    
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    April 16, 2019 11:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      Maybe not……..I’m on facebook…well I belong but really don’t go there as I’m too scared of the “snowflakes”.
      
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      April 16, 2019 2:10pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Voice Day!
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April 16, 2019 8:30am
- burt
  
  Have the woke left told us yet which voices we are allowed to listen to today?
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:40am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I sticking to the ones in my head .
    . . .
    
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    April 16, 2019 11:46am
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4_WuFTX-5E&feature=youtu.be
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:43am
- RW Capitalist
  
  What so happy about it.
  Free speech is under attack.
  Ask Israel Falau.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:47am
  - Batman
    
    He spoke, as he is free to do. He also suffered the consequences of his idiotic views.
    
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    April 16, 2019 1:18pm
    - Tall Man
      
      So in your mind all people who believe in god and believe that you don’t get to go to “good noddyland” if they’re still gay or a lucky fornicator when they die should also be banned from speaking or expressing their opinion?
      
      Maybe “mod” is not suited to your style….
      
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      April 16, 2019 2:13pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And freedom of religion.
    
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    April 16, 2019 4:01pm
- cmm
  
  A great day to celebrate all the lefties attempting to suppress freedom of speech.
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:00am
- SGA
  
  Looking at the reaction, your comment is falling on deaf ears.
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:24am
Monique Watson

Who farted?
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April 16, 2019 8:39am
Stars And Stripes

Well it’s goodbye from me here on KB as I have given the new setup a month trial but unfortunately it needs to be referred to CYFS as it’s dysfunctional.
Reading the roll of honour(strike list) last night and the comments they link too made me realise how brilliant the old KB was but it also bought home just how many people have also voted with their feet and left.
Having been here long enough to know most posters “real opinions” you would not recognise a lot of the comments now as being written by the same person as they have been tamed down and sanitised so much they are barely real.
So to everyone who participated in the pre Christchurch KB you really are a bunch of legends and whatever your future endeavours are good luck.
I have decided to throw my lot in with Holysheet’s new YSB so we will see if it can get a critical reader base over time and replicate the glory days of this blog.
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April 16, 2019 8:42am
Ford Prefect

Listening to a French football journalist on a Champions League podcast, I laughed when he exclaimed how amazed he was that Suarez had gotten so fat. Especially when he said in a beautiful French accent that his bottom was huge.

Imagine the outrage if Suarez was female.
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April 16, 2019 8:55am
slightlyrighty

With regard to Israel Folau.

I very much disagree with his thinking as he expressed in his post, but it was prompted by the announcement by the Tasmanian State Government that people will be allowed to change their gender on their birth certificate to the one that they identify with rather than the one observed at their birth.

The current debate which conflates gender, and gender identity is one fraught with many opinions, which is why we have the likes of TERFS in agreement with Christian Fundamentalists such as Folau.

It should also be noted that it is a very short step from Folau being stood down for expressing his beliefs, to others in the future undergoing vetting and exclusion because of their beliefs. I’m not sure that this is a Pandora’s Box we would like opened.
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April 16, 2019 9:33am
- cmm
  
  What’s the point of a birth certificate if you can change the pertinent facts on it such as gender and parents etc? What does it actually record?
  
  And marriage is whatever people want it to be.
  
  Perhaps it is time for the state to get out of the business of recording births, deaths and marriages.
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:56am
- Rachael Membery
  
  And does it extend out to people who liked his post, a number of his team mates for starters I believe. It is sort of pseudo posting.
  
  Some woman on AM yesterday I think it was called liking a philanthropic post was like micro-volunteering I think she said with the hope that it would expand the sentiment over time to actual volunteering when similar posts appeared after the ‘liking’, is that the same for religion?
  
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  April 16, 2019 4:44pm
kevn

@slightly… Isn’t tassie a greens stronghold?
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April 16, 2019 9:42am
- Steve Todd
  
  Not any more.
  
  Recent House of Assembly (25 seats) election results for the Greens, are—
  
  2018 – 10.30% – 2 seats
  2014 – 13.83% – 3 seats
  2010 – 21.61% – 5 seats
  
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  April 16, 2019 10:30am
Maggy Wassilieff

For those in despair about the loss of the Notre-Dame in Paris, there is a pretty good-looking one in Ho Chi Minh (Saigon) City.
http://www.vietnam-guide.com/ho-chi-minh-city/notre-dame-cathedral.htm

(Not that I went inside, though)
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April 16, 2019 10:00am
Hugh Pavletich

… AUSTRALIA …

The housing bust and why it’s likely to continue – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-15/why-the-housing-bust-is-likely-to-continue/11002296

… extract …

The looming glut

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-15/dwellings-under-construction-graph/11002302

… One of the RBA’s biggest concerns was the large number of new apartments about to hit the market, especially in Sydney.

The bank’s Financial Stability Review is normally a reasonably dry affair. Not this time. With an entire section devoted entirely to the risks associated with the shift in supply to high-density apartments, it makes for sober reading.

“The large influx in supply has the potential to exacerbate housing price declines,” it notes. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… No lessons learned from Miami 2007 …

As Condos Rise in South Florida, Nervous Investors Try to Flee – The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/us/26condo.html
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April 16, 2019 10:00am
- fernglas
  
  Can you apply the situation in Sydney and Melbourne to Auckland, where apartment building is going gang busters, and if so, what conclusions do you draw? Do you see a drop in aparment prices or residential in general?
  
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  April 16, 2019 10:19am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Fernglass … The bubble pricing days are over.
    
    Suggest you read today and yesterdays Links page postings / discussion at MacroBusiness Australia http://www.macrobusiness.com.au .
    
    And too, the articles at Interest Co NZ http://www.interest.co.nz
    
    There are massive changes / shifts underway.
    
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    April 16, 2019 12:48pm
Fletch

According to the AP, six New Zealanders have been charged with sharing video of the mosque attacks –

WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — Six people appeared in a New Zealand court Monday on charges they illegally redistributed the video a gunman livestreamed as he shot worshippers at two mosques last month.

Christchurch District Court Judge Stephen O’Driscoll denied bail to businessman Philip Arps and an 18-year-old suspect who both were taken into custody in March. The four others are not in custody.

The charge of supplying or distributing objectionable material carries a penalty of up to 14 years imprisonment. Arps, 44, is scheduled to next appear in court via video link on April 26.

The 18-year-old suspect is charged with sharing the livestream video and a still image of the Al Noor mosque with the words “target acquired.” He will reappear in court on July 31 when electronically monitored bail will be considered.

Police prosecutor Pip Currie opposed bail for the 18-year-old suspect and said the second charge, involving the words added to the still image, was of significant concern.

New Zealand’s chief censor has banned both the livestreamed footage of the attack and the manifesto written and released by Brenton Harrison Tarrant, who faces 50 murder charges and 39 attempted murder charges in the March 15 attacks.

https://www.apnews.com/793c9d882b0d4bd39e786d90b573f365
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April 16, 2019 10:03am
- freemark
  
  I have no interest in watching this video, and do wonder about the mentality of those that do, and share it.
  
  In the interests of balance however, isn’t it time that all the 9/11 ones were pulled from public view as well?
  
  What the the beheading ones made by ISIS too?
  
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  April 16, 2019 10:30am
Fletch

Now Bernie Sanders wants FREE healthcare for illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-bernie-sanders-health-care-overhaul-would-cover-illegal-aliens
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April 16, 2019 10:08am
- All_on_Red
  
  They pretty much get that now if they get caught crossing the Border.
  Anything wrong, then off to a Medical centre.
  Iirc they’ve had over 8000 this year with severe infectious diseases which needed treating.
  It’s costing millions and putting pressure on facilities helping locals
  
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  April 16, 2019 10:45am
- MCos
  
  Bernie Sanders can put forward whatever policies he wants.
  If the majority people who bother to vote in the right places agree with him he gets elected.
  
  Tony Tinderholt, a Republican state legislator in Texas is pushing for a law that would bring in the death penalty for women who have abortions.
  I suppose if he gets re-elected next time he’ll take that as confirmation for his policies too.
  
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  April 16, 2019 12:14pm
srylands

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018691179/every-child-fluent-in-te-reo-how-would-that-look-for-our-country

This annoys me. This educator wants cumpulsory te reo. Because he does not agree with the revealed preferences of parents and students. Let’s force them.

He has a vision of every child fluent in te reo in 30 years. He says this would be wonderful for New Zealand. It won’t happen.. Not every child has the aptitude to learn a second language. But even trying would crowd out children learning internationally relevant language like mandarin and Spanish.
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April 16, 2019 11:12am
- sooty
  
  Myless Ferris, is this person.
  
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  April 16, 2019 12:19pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Not a real one….
    
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    April 16, 2019 2:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Te Reo is a very poor second language that Maori Elders rejected previously as not fit to take their people into the future. There are too few root words to be useful and the grammar is not helpful if English is also to be learnt. The multiplicity of pronouns for relationships has no parallel in English and is very confusing. The small utility of the Te Reo is nullified by its affects on English teaching. We don’t need children taught Maorised English loan words or further pidginised.
  
  Te Reo has a place on the Marae where history and genealogies are preserved but that “respect” language is kept to authorised cultural appointees. As an oral language title to land etc is recorded in those genealogies and custody is tightly kept. The Maori land Court adjudicates in those matters.
  
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  April 16, 2019 2:32pm
- Sacha
  
  It’s all very well having a vision, but where people are involved in its execution, it pays not to be over optimistic. I’m sure I’ve heard this particular one a couple of times over the years. It will go nowhere because the target people are not interested unmaking it happen.
  
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  April 16, 2019 3:07pm
The King

The burning of Notre Dame is not an accident, it’s a look into the future. 856 years of history. Gone.

As they remove street names and monuments to our ancestors, this quote comes to mind..

“To destroy a people you must first sever their roots”

The stealth rolling tide of communism once again rears its head as it did about this time last century, 100 million dead. How many will it kill this time?
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April 16, 2019 12:06pm
- alien
  
  No it is an accident, but hey, some people will turn anything into a conspiracy to fit their agenda.
  
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  April 16, 2019 12:22pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    alien
    “No it is an accident, but hey, some people will turn anything into a conspiracy to fit their agenda.”
    How do you know it was an accident? Equally, some will say deliberate acts are accidents to fit their agenda.
    
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    April 16, 2019 12:53pm
    - alien
      
      oh I don’t know perhaps because I read the article that arson has been ruled out by the prosecutor’s and that the police and fire are saying exactly that. Also reported that construction workers were working where the fire started. But hey, what do the experts know, the conspiracy nutters know better than them, huh
      
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      April 16, 2019 1:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Paris public prosecutor’s office opened a preliminary investigation, entrusted to the regional directorate of the judicial police, for “involuntary destruction by fire”. Due to the uncertainties surrounding the origin of the fire, the public prosecutor’s office does not, at this stage, disclose the reason for the initiation of the investigation. At about 1 am, the public prosecutor’s office announced that he was questioning the workers who were working on the site.
        https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2019/04/15/incendie-en-cours-dans-la-cathedrale-notre-dame-de-paris_5450533_3224.html
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:32pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        alien
        “Prosecutors”? Why are prosecutors involved, and how have the police ruled out arson at this early stage? I imagine the Cathedral would need to stop burning before they could reach a conclusion. Doesn’t that seem a little premature?
        
        “Also reported that construction workers were working where the fire started.” So what? How is that relevant?
        
        “conspiracy nutters” Always the emotive ad hominems, eh?
        
        “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” Mark Twain
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:32pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Don’t be silly. It’s obvious the fire was caused by climate change.
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Prosecutors are involved at the start of a French investigation, as is a judge.
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:55pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Seems likely to me that if it was being renovated and fire started just at end of day (when switches turned off and workers leave) then likely accidental. On the other hand just before Easter is rather suspicious, so I’ll reserve judgement.
        
        What I found more interesting was rush by media to try and head off talk of it possibly being arson. Me thinks the media doth over-react to a reasonable possibility due to political agenda.
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:58pm
  - The King
    
    Nice conspiracy there Alien, how’s your agenda going? let me guess..the Russians did it!
    
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    April 16, 2019 1:00pm
    - alien
      
      No agenda, unless you are claiming the prosecutor’s that have ruled out arson have an agenda. An area of a building currently under construction caught fire, it happens
      
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      April 16, 2019 1:33pm
      - The King
        
        Yes a “Prosecutor” is a fire expert he has braved the flames and smoke and done a through investigation in the 7 hours since the fire started.
        
        You people are funny, believe everything they tell you huh?
        
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        April 16, 2019 1:55pm
  - The King
    
    Over 800 churches in France were vandalized last year. Yes “accidents”.
    
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    April 16, 2019 1:11pm
    - Batman
      
      The fire investigator is treating it as an accident.
      
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      April 16, 2019 1:23pm
      - The King
        
        “We’ve performed an investigation while the church is in flames: through the smoke we’ve ruled out terrorism and among the ashes we’ve found that Diversity is Notre-Dame’s Strength.”
        
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        April 16, 2019 1:26pm
      - alien
        
        Yeah, and it’s also know construction was going on where the fire started. prosecutor’s Have said accident ruled out arson, but hey the king seems to know better than him, better call the French police and alert them someone in nz is better at the job than all those investigating it
        
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        April 16, 2019 1:35pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well, most people actually belive Elvis Presely is dead, but here we have ‘The King’ commenting on Kiwiblog, so what’s the conspiracy?
    
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    April 16, 2019 1:18pm
    - The King
      
      “Figures show 875 churches in France were vandalized last year”
      
      Conspiracies all of them.
      
      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8804063/france-church-arson-attacks-vandalism-christian-heritage/
      
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      April 16, 2019 1:28pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        From your link:
        
        the figures are down on the previous year
        
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        April 16, 2019 2:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Running out of Churches?
        How many Churches in France?
        
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        April 16, 2019 3:06pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        About 50,000 churches in France.
        
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        April 16, 2019 3:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  You better look under the bed tonight……. and not for spiders.
  
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  April 16, 2019 2:15pm
- simpleton1
  
  Some have tried to burn down the Notre Dame Cathedral in recent years.
  
  ONE OF THREE women allegedly involved in a foiled plot in 2016 to blow up a car packed with gas canisters near the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris was today sentenced to eight years in prison by a French court for earlier offences. ….. https://www.thejournal.ie/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack-in-paris-4590216-Apr2019/
  
  In timing of the sentencing just 3 days ago? That is at least 3 that are finding “allah is grand”,
  
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  April 16, 2019 3:24pm
Paulus

How much will our Princess, with our money, contribute to her special friend Macron’s restoration fund ?
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April 16, 2019 1:21pm
- stigie
  
  With her greatness being hailed by 51% of st***d people in NZ, anything is now possible with our hard earned money that is and will be taxed to the hilt !~
  
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  April 16, 2019 1:56pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Do you mean Princess Anne? Maybe nothing personally, but perhaps her Mum will chip in a bob or two.
  
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  April 16, 2019 2:41pm
- mandk
  
  I’m waiting for her to express sadness about the hundreds of Christian churches in northern Nigeria, burned to the ground by the Islamist Boko Haram.
  
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  April 16, 2019 3:13pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.labour.org.nz/tags/jacindaardern/
  
  Nothing snce 2017…..
  
  I’d agree with that.
  
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  April 16, 2019 3:55pm
dcrown

Allie Beth Stuckey just owned the libs and won the internet with an awesome argument against further gun laws.

“Consider the fact that not a single gun crime has ever been committed by a law-abiding gun owner.”
https://twitter.com/conservmillen/status/1117643392572448769?s=19

Restrictions on guns only punish law abiding citizens, do they really believe criminals are going to pay any attention?
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April 16, 2019 1:54pm
Tall Man

Sorry people..posted this in the wrong thread….in a bit of a rush today.

So, a conundrum for the mods…

I say that if David Farrar doesn’t get rid of “moderation” immediately I’m going to get Noddy and Big Ears to come and get him right now and take him to Noddy Land and make him hunt for the nasty lion….

Now, is that hate speech? Nobody in their right brain..or left brain.. actually believes that Noddy Land exists although there seem to be a few that believe in Noddy I think.

Now, Israel Folau says that people who break god’s rules which in his mind include homosexuality..plus a few that I’m into, and then don’t ask for god’s forgiveness are going to spent eternity in his version of “bad” noddy land forever after they die.

If the “woke” or trendy folk don’t actually believe that “bad” noddy land exists or even that the “god” fellow exists, how the hell can they be offended by someone who does believe in Noddy Land?
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April 16, 2019 2:01pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Folau was repeating the Word of God direct from the Bible. Two verses explain the affect:
  “It is the same with my word. I send it out, and it always produces fruit. It will accomplish all I want it to, and it will prosper everywhere I send it.” Isa 55:11 and
  “They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.” Rom. 2:15
  
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  April 16, 2019 3:56pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”Folau was repeating the Word of God direct from the Bible”…..
    
    Which may possibly have some relevance for you, Folau & a few other of the gullible.
    
    Not so much for the rest of us!
    
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    April 16, 2019 5:46pm
- alien
  
  problem is when many believe in bad Noddy land and they force their bad noddy land on to others, especially younger people who are already struggling.
  
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  April 16, 2019 6:58pm
Rachael Membery

And does it extend out to people who liked his post, a number of his team mates for starters I believe. It is sort of pseudo posting.

Some woman on AM yesterday I think it was called liking a philanthropic post was like micro-volunteering I think she said with the hope that it would expand the sentiment over time to actual volunteering when similar posts appeared after the ‘liking’, is that the same for religion?
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April 16, 2019 4:55pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Golriz says she’s an Athiest, and if nothing else she deserves respect for that. Because that is painting a huge target on her back for the (if uk is any guide) 20-30% of Muslims who believe in death for apostasy – ie about 10-15000 NZ Muslims.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6309983.stm
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April 16, 2019 5:21pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  And what would the likelihood of a NZ Muslim committing such a crime be, in your opinion?
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:16pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    About 12-15 a year killed in UK ‘honour’ killings, but they have about 70x our Muslim population, so it would likely be only one every 5-10 years here. But is mostly hidden within families, or done when visiting relatives in Muslim countries. So without close family in the Muslim community Golriz is pretty safe unless get a nutter going after her as a high profile target like this guy:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/09/tanveer-ahmed-jailed-for-murder-glasgow-shopkeeper-in-sectarian-attack
    
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    April 16, 2019 9:43pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/112083653/waikato-dhb-board-may-go-replaced-by-commissioner
If David Clark is the answer the DHB is beyond saving. 🙂
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April 16, 2019 5:30pm
- alien
  
  It is pretty bad if you’re not meeting Clark’s expectations. Didn’t realise he had any, just a desire to screw the health system up in nz, aka, follow in Annette’s kings footsteps.
  
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  April 16, 2019 6:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gosh, look who is the Deputy Chair…
  https://www.waikatodhb.health.nz/about-us/board-and-committees/board-members/
  8 women, 3 men on the Board…
  It should be working perfectly.
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:23pm
dcrown

Wasn’t Obama in Europe recently?

Did he and the islam-fascist deep state raze the Notre Dame Cathedral so they could replace it with a Mosque?
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April 16, 2019 5:58pm
- alien
  
  Must be a full moon tonight
  
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  April 16, 2019 6:51pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    One would hope it was satire, but, alas, I doubt it.
    There’s an easy way to tell though. Ask dcrown which is more likely, that Michelle Obama is transgender or that Donald Trump wears adult diapers?
    
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    April 16, 2019 8:14pm
Hugh Pavletich

Global trade suffers biggest collapse since Great Recession … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/04/15/global-trade-suffers-biggest-collapse-since-great-recession/

A recent collapse in global trade is the worst since the financial crisis and as steep as during the recession of the early 2000s, according to new figures from the Dutch government. … read more via hyperlink above …
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April 16, 2019 6:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For those of you that have been following the Court Case of Professor Peter Ridd who was sacked from James Cook University, Queensland for querying the research of those who had stated that the Great Barrier Reef was dying…

He has just won his court case.
The Judge has found that:
(1) The 17 findings made by the University, the two speech directions, the five confidentiality directions, the no satire direction, the censure and the final censure given by the University and the termination of employment of Professor Ridd by the University were all unlawful.

https://jennifermarohasy.com/2019/04/peter-ridd-has-won-because-of-you/
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April 16, 2019 7:35pm
DigNap15

Just so that DPF knows what his giving in to the left wing anti free speech sect has done to his blog.
Alexa rating in March 475
In April last week 547
Today 563.
A blog about blubber is on 66 and Trademe is no 5.
I’ll check on the Standard.
ysb has not yet registered on the stats.
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April 16, 2019 7:47pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It might just be possible that DPF knows more about the blogging business than you.
  
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  April 16, 2019 8:44pm
Monique Watson

The nurse is dead. I’m sorry. I love to believe in human hope.
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April 16, 2019 8:19pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yeah, I just hope the people who enslaved and murdered her and 10’s of thousands of others under their primitive abomination of a religion suffer extremely before they die/d
  
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  April 16, 2019 9:27pm
Monique Watson

I have had a source tell me there is not much hope. He said Baghouz was pretty much razed.
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April 16, 2019 8:46pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112088521/major-delays-for-hutt-valley-and-kpiti-rail-commuters

Dear dear. Crappy Asian shit craps out again. Never mind the quality….look at the cheap prices!
How are those DL locos performing these days?
And the scumbag Telcos want us to embrace Huawei!!! What a fuckin joke our captains of industry and local government really are. 🙂
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April 16, 2019 9:08pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112067873/kiwis-fast-food-kfc-habits-boost-restaurant-brands-profits
Good God. We really are a nation of utter bad taste. How anyone can eat that crap is utterly beyond me. It doesn’t even taste like food, well it didn’t 25 years ago when I last tried it and I doubt it’s got any better since then. 🙂
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April 16, 2019 9:15pm
Scooter

Watching the post cabinet press conference, the PM absolutey loves not answering questions. About time they come clean about the captive NZ woman Louisa Akavi.
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