General Debate 15 April 2019

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Captain Mainwaring

So the Peoples’ Princess is going to fix the construction industry just by turning up on a closed building site wearing a hard hat and uttering platitudes.
Job done then, no need for the media to ask any questions.
Move on suckers
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April 15, 2019 8:00am
- Rich Prick
  
  Ummm, apart from KiwiBuild, what’s “wrong” that needs Cindy’s fixing?
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:48am
  - sooty
    
    Not everbody is in the union!
    
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    April 15, 2019 8:51am
  - Prince
    
    A few problems.
    Companies going under (minimum wage pressures).
    Not enough workers (CoL promise to cut immigration, no reqts on beneficiaries, ’emergency’ handouts for all).
    Govt contracts based on price (need money for NZFirst ‘loyalty’).
    Business Confidence (CGT, more regulation, Labour laws, increased taxes, levies…)
    
    First we break it, then we announce a working group/accord/committee to fix it.
    
    As an aside, I see the Labour/MSM machine is cranking up for the 10 metre advance into Pike River. Much fanfare to come.
    You have to admire their Comms machine.
    
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    April 15, 2019 8:58am
    - artemisia
      
      The construction sector is not dumb. It will be quietly looking to have the government solve some of the sector’s more pressing problems. At little cost to themselves, no doubt.
      
      Skills shortages – more skilled migrants and more skills training. Taxpayer pays.
      
      Big project risks – if government project (many are) risk gets shared more. Taxpayer pays.
      
      Residential development – Kiwibuild, state housing, first home buyer top ups. Taxpayer pays.
      
      Cost of materials. Not sure how but bet taxpayer pays somehow.
      
      Of course the sector will be be involved. Did I mention taxpayer pays?
      
      Meantime the sector promises to be more respectful and look to its culture.
      
      I wonder if Ms Ardern has ever met an actual tradie, as opposed to the big cheeses in suits (and occasionally hard hats).
      
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      April 15, 2019 9:52am
- RF
  
  I noticed her safety helmet is slightly to one side in keeping to her usual head tilt.
  
  I hear that for the photo shoot she practiced what facial expression to use.
  
  When the boyfriend heard about the publicity she was getting he quickly skinned a raw fish with his teeth to upstage her.
  
  It’s all about me me me.
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:57am
  - burt
    
    I hear skinning fish with your teeth has been banned because of the ACC implications.
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:19am
    - sooty
      
      Imagine what been able to skin fish with your teeth would do to your love life!
      We all thought he had only bad breath!
      
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      April 15, 2019 10:02am
      - NoCash
        
        This reminds me of the episode of Two and a Half Men, how Alan and Charlie were fascinated by Herb’s ability to plant seeds with his month and tongue…
        
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        April 15, 2019 11:42am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Vogue should have got the PM’s hat pic. Never seen one like that before. Real serious.
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:24am
  - lofty
    
    mmm and the boyfriend will be neighbours with Maggy soon, if the latest puff piece in the Herald is anything to go by…lucky her.
    After all “There is no place like it”
    
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    April 15, 2019 12:24pm
  - projectman
    
    If the hard hat was worn to meet health & safety requirements (rather than as a ‘hey, look at me, don’t I look good in this’ accoutrement) she would not have complied with the conditions to wear it properly).
    
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    April 15, 2019 3:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Unaffordable electricity coming our way if the COL remains in power

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018691006/fully-renewable-electricity-by-2035-too-expensive
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April 15, 2019 8:01am
- srylands
  
  I don’t understand why the commitment is necessary. The purpose of the emissions trading scheme was to price carbon. Once that is done, the generators should be left to produce power as cheaply as possible.
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The problem is providing enough capacity to generate electricity from renewable sources means redundancy in the network under current thinking. Meaning it is all too expensive.
    
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    April 15, 2019 8:24am
  - GJM
    
    Except we can’t actually build any hydro dams or other clean energy as the Greens won’t let anyone do anything anywhere. Can’t have it both ways…
    
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    April 15, 2019 10:16am
- kowtow
  
  I was surprised to see such a contrarian piece in the usually very “progressive” DW.
  
  Are high energy prices finally starting to bring some people back to reality?
  
  I understand power is very expensive in the UK too .
  
  ‘The precise answer is €160 billion ($180 billion) in the past five years! And the result is the highest energy prices in Europe. This has not just hit private consumers hard, but the German economy overall. Even so, we still can’t get this damn carbon dioxide level to go down.’
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-germanys-climate-activism-is-full-of-hypocrisy/a-48292725
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:08am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Not really, it’s around 12p/Kwh or around 22c, NZ is is about 25c/Kwh.
    
    However line charges in the UK are around NZ$150pa whereas here it’s up to $900pa.
    
    It’s the infrastructure that costs not the ‘leccy and here we don’t have enough consumers to reduce the per capita cost and our population is much more widely sprea out.
    
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    April 15, 2019 12:07pm
- ducklin71
  
  The simple laws of economics and our energy needs will ensure we keep using fossil fuels for years to come. I hope they strike a jackpot after jackpot of black gold before the permits expire in 2030. We can watch James Shaw and Russell Norman have fit after fit on TV.
  End of the world in 11 years 9 months? Yeah right.
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:31am
skyblue

According to Folau he is going to hell (fornication) but go the Tiger.
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April 15, 2019 8:01am
- Ed Snack
  
  Wrong, according to Folau he is going to hell if he doesn’t ask forgiveness – which will be granted if asked from the heart.
  
  Like many people, you misunderstand, deliberately or otherwise, the nature of Christianity. One hates the sin, not the sinner, and all people have the choice to ask forgiveness.
  
  Of course if you don’t believe in any of it, why should it bother you that one is destined for a place you do not believe exists ?
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:43am
  - skyblue
    
    I know a great place where you can get a humour transplant.
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:02am
    - Batman
      
      Please let it be a gay bar ?
      
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      April 15, 2019 1:38pm
- Steve Todd
  
  More specifically, adultery, I would have thought.
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:47am
Maggie Pie

Clarke demonstrates what he calls “The Gizzy Method”
Although i couldn’t see my partner trying this – he hates the smell of fish.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=puzZThRqBrc
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April 15, 2019 8:04am
- Rich Prick
  
  I thought I was going to see something rather different.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:48am
Dafixeruppa

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/112001771/sizeable-irony-in-ghahraman-arguing-for-new-hate-speech-laws
I’m surprised that this made it past the editor in left.
The driver of our hate speech laws, that limit or freedom of speech, is the person who helped defend a monster by using a defense of freedom of speech.
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April 15, 2019 8:06am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The MP whose name I will not speak such is my disgust at her gross two faced behaviour will not see it as it is.
  
  Rather like all her kind she will defend her behaviour on the grounds that the ends justify the means.
  
  She offends me. I have mightily offended by her.
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:47am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed; it’s an outstanding piece by Phi Quin, whose opinions I frequently disagree with. Ms Ghahraman however will probably want Quin prosecuted for hate speech, simply for telling the truth.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Apart from calling out the Green MP it’s not at all outstanding and in fact he too appears to be a proponent himself of certain hate speech laws .
    
    ‘ However, when this veers into incitement – when it reaches a certain fever pitch – the law should step in. While tricky, this isn’t an impossible line to draw. I’m wary of efforts to expand definitions in such a way as to grant the state greater powers to police language unless it represents an identifiable threat to public safety.’
    
    There is an easily defined line , that we have already and that is the one of inciting criminality . In his world what would represent an identifiable threat to public safety , what is public safety , what is his idea of “fever pitch” etc.
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:23am
    - Batman
      
      He is talking about that in the context of the Rwandan genocide. Fever pitch likely means a threat of violent retribution for perceived issues.
      
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      April 15, 2019 1:41pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Not sure that I would describe the article exactly as ‘outstanding’ overall given that Quin continues to drink from the ‘Cindy is a star’ Kool Aid and condemns Folau as an idiot who deserves to be sacked. A+ on Ghahraman, however.
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:39am
    - sooty
      
      Just as well ms Ghahraman is not going to Rawnada with Trev on his speakers tour!
      She might not have been let out!
      
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      April 15, 2019 12:18pm
- snowy
  
  Whats worse is that she didnt even defend him, she was just a lowly intern on the defence team.
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:27am
- ducklin71
  
  Watch the greens devour their own just like the Dims in the States. Pass the popcorn.
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:58am
- The King
  
  She’s justifying “hate speech” as the reason why Brenton Tarrant went to mosque, clearly nothing to do with the hate speech preached at mosques that led to the slaughter on 100’s of Europeans, by truck,bombs,guns.
  
  Anybody not saying Tarrant acted in revenge isn’t a serious person at all.
  
  Is a “hate speech” law going to stop acts of vengeance?. Never, not since the beginning of man.
  
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  April 15, 2019 5:08pm
lilman

Went to dinner and listened to a wife wax lyrical about Cindy and how she has grown to be a great leader of not only our country but the wider world.
Spent the next 15 minutes tell her exactly what she has done for me over the last year or so.
She left,stormed out when I challenged her to the fact that she has lied,withheld and run for cover on any issue she opens her big trap on.
Got a clap from the 2 tables either side of me.

Quiet trip home,but worth it.
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April 15, 2019 8:11am
- Ford Prefect
  
  What infuriates me is, its not about her.
  
  It shouldnt matter how shes grown, what she done or how the world perceives of her.
  
  It matters how New Zealand has grown, how New Zealand is doing and how the world perceives New Zealand.
  
  Its for the good of the country not one person
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:11am
- stigie
  
  Slept in a bed down the hallway i would expect lilman..?
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:36am
  - Tall Man
    
    At the neighbour’s house…….
    
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    April 15, 2019 11:02am
- freethinker
  
  I am beginning to think that some women vote for another woman because of her sex not her ability. Looking around at some world leaders – Merkel, May, Ardern,Aung san suu kyi, La Garde,Hilary Clinton, Clarke, and the absolute stuff ups they have made or are making proves that both sexes produce effective & ineffective leaders. So disappointing but not unexpected.
  
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  April 15, 2019 12:34pm
harvey wilson

Surprised and pleased to see this appearing in Stuff . How she managed to bluff her way through her lies and half truths about her legal history the first time is a mystery and Gharaman is the last person who should get to decide what is hate speech

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/112001771/sizeable-irony-in-ghahraman-arguing-for-new-hate-speech-laws
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April 15, 2019 8:11am
- MickMac
  
  i loved Stephen Franks telling her she made up her cvlive on tv.
  priceless.
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:55am
  - kowtow
    
    I loved the stunned look on her face when he said it .
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:16am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Do you have a link ? I would love to see that .
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:24am
    - artemisia
      
      Another useful service proved by Whaleoil – see below link of transcript and video, and helpful comments by the transcriber.
      
      But note this is the edited version.
      
      https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/04/whaleoil-transcript-golriz-ghahraman-stephen-franks-on-free-speech/
      
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      April 15, 2019 12:58pm
  - Bill felt
    
    Oh can we have the direct quote? or the reference (if it hasn’t been censored)
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:26am
- Albert_Ross
  
  So which is it? Was she wrong when she argued in favour of unpleasant people’s right to proclaim opinions that others don’t like, or is she wrong now when she’s arguing against it?
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    If you really need to ask…you need to get out more.
    
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    April 15, 2019 10:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, she wasn’t wrong when she helped to provide a defence for war criminals…
    Where she (and the Green Party) deserves criticism is for not clarifying her role working for the Defence of the mass killers.
    
    Numerous articles discussing these points summarised here:
    https://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/golriz-ghahraman-trial-guilty-and-not-guilty
    
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    April 15, 2019 10:42am
    - harvey wilson
      
      No one is saying she is wrong defending them , amongst her grandiose claims is that she put heads of state on trial . That proved to be nonsense, her delusions of grandeur also led her to claim to be the first female minister of defence which is an outrageous lie.
      
      She also downplayed Steve Bikandas role in the genocide by claiming he was merely a “ pop singer”.
      
      Her and Davidson are “ Corsoing “ the Greens.
      
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      April 15, 2019 11:52am
  - double d
    
    I think it may be her inconsistencies(some would say HYPOCRISY) that leaves many doubting her …
    
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    April 15, 2019 10:50am
- JibberJabber
  
  I got as far as the “I`m deeply offended…” on the video…
  Newsflash… no one gives a toss, Luv.
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:57am
G152

The ‘winter’ payment should cover it /wry smile time
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April 15, 2019 8:15am
hullkiwi

Proof the world is full of suckers and the world is full of rip of merchants.

On Saturday, I was in a big name supermarket, when something caught my eye. For the price of $3.79 you can buy a 200gram bag of a certain iconic Kiwi brand of chips that are “Gluten Free”.

What is wrong with this you may ask?
Well they might as well package them as sugar free, nut free, wheat free, dairy free or any other band wagon. Because, it is a rip off con and a fraud. As, unless they have genetically modified NZ potatoes to contain gluten, every bag of chips is already gluten free. This food fad is playing on the gullible and the ill informed and leads me to think….

No wonder we end up with the governments we do, when people can be so easily conned to part with their money. Or put another way, when you give idiots the vote, you get governments like the current bunch.
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April 15, 2019 8:17am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Not sure, but I think that some of the flavoring additives used may contain gluten, so hence why they can get away with this crap. Of course, you can also buy just ready salted instead…
  But yes, definitely agree on the great gluten free con. I have friends who are coeliac and know the issues if they eat gluten, but that is a tiny portion of those going gluten free.
  Saying that, I know many people who claim to be and feel so much healthier after going gluten free, so maybe there is something to the claim that too much gluten is bad. Personally, I don’t know, so I can’t really comment.
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:29am
  - David Garrett
    
    Dafix: Apparently there are a whole 2% of people who are actually gluten intolerant…the other 40% who think they are simply blame their obesity on gluten…a generation ago it was all down to “glands”
    
    And then there are those who make a great noise in cafes about what is and isn’t gluten free…and then order a beer to go with their food. (Beer contains gluten derived from the malted barley used to make it)
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      David, you only have to have a quick peek at Parliament to see what percentage of dumbarses we have in NZ called voters.
      
      I believe that if there is one thing that this coalition has done is make bloody sure that next year no National voters will miss election day.
      
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      April 15, 2019 10:04am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Tall Man you got my point. However, the worrying thing is, as the Reid Research poll highlighted last week, circa 10% of the voters are those soft swing voters that supported Key, but have swung to the empathetic Jacinda. Sadly, it is down to convincing 5% of that group that stands between National and 3 more years of the CoL.
        
        Given that same group of voters, would happily believe that a plate of cos lettuce with mayonnaise is a gluten free, dairy free Ceasar Salad and happily pay a premium for it, what hope them voting against the feels of the CoL?
        
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        April 15, 2019 11:06am
    - Jules99
      
      That 2% figure means only 2% test positive on the particular test they use – it’s not representative of the full range of issues in the population with wheat. It took me a while a to discover that it wasn’t the gluten in bread that affected me, but the enzymes they put in baked products, most of which don’t have to be listed on the packet. Thus many people are sensitive to other ingredients in wheat-based products and assume it’s gluten. For more information read about the Chorleywood bread making method which involves the use of ‘improvers’ to reduce rising times. That’s why as children we never saw these problems.
      
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      April 15, 2019 1:09pm
    - projectman
      
      A good many of that 40% would be chocolate and chippies intolerant.
      
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      April 15, 2019 3:14pm
- Jules99
  
  Yes, I saw that. Proper chips should have just potatoes and fat. Some flavoured ones, though might have wheat in them, so it would be reasonable to mark them gluten free I guess. And then there are the ‘chips’ that are not even made from potatoes.
  
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  April 15, 2019 1:11pm
Jules99

About time we considered Gen 4 nuclear power. Safe from meltdown and capable of consuming nuclear waste.
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April 15, 2019 8:17am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Technically they are good, but in practice they are too expensive to build in highly regulated west. They take 10+ years, and need army of highly skilled workers to work in unpopular/remote locations, similar to oil and gas and mining industries with their high wage costs. The power they create is (as a result) way too expensive.
  
  Small modular factory produced reactors might fix this problem, but maybe not.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:25am
freethinker

Today is the day the COLL cabinet signs their collective death warrant when they sign off on CGT. A massive opportunity for National to show the public how this will prove to be a huge new tax wedge, won’t generate the promised revenue, wont be revenue neutral and will cost the economy dear.Collateral damage can also be inflicted with Stephen Joyces fiscal hole, Jnr Drs and likely Teachers strikes.
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April 15, 2019 8:20am
- MickMac
  
  no, the CGT is just so wrong.
  no no no.
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:58am
- PhilP
  
  Isn’t it fortunate that parliament is in recess for two weeks????
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:16am
hullkiwi

Peters, is a vindictive individual, who was never going to support National.

My hope is National (& political partners) bury him (politically) next year!
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April 15, 2019 8:20am
- sooty
  
  If Whinney bails early, you know it’s not recoverable and he’s trying to gather his baubles before they disappear before his eyes.
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:58am
- MickMac
  
  and his Prince, the 2bn regional atm..
  who doesn’t keep his appts written up on our dime!
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:59am
- Billy Collins
  
  Who are NZ First voters likely to jump to? National or Labour?
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:06am
  - sooty
    
    The door!
    
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    April 15, 2019 10:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I agree, but Bridges is right to wait until election year, as Key did in 2008. By then, Peters will be well on the way to shitting in the coalition bed, as he did with Bolger and with Clark.
  
  However Bridges shouldn’t rule out NZF completely; merely make it a condition that National would not do a deal with a Peters-led party.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:09am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Or a Jones led party. Or a Martin led party. Or a Mark led party. Or stuff it just grow a pair and rinse NZF completely.
    
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    April 15, 2019 10:27am
  - alien
    
    Bridges will be rolled before the election, be surprised if he is still leader by june
    
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    April 15, 2019 12:03pm
    - Batman
      
      You’ve always good a good joke on hand, alien…
      
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      April 15, 2019 1:50pm
- Overworked
  
  Bridges is a problem. His inept public persona, in combination with his religious conservatism puts too many people off. If that doesn’t do it, the leaked phone call with Jami-Lee Ross will finish the job nicely. His awkward attempts at swearing and interaction were cringeworthy.
  
  He is an excellent minister and would make a good Deputy PM, but he can’t front a political party if it is to be electorally successful imo.
  
  I have no idea who in hell I’ll vote for unless something changes.
  
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  April 15, 2019 12:13pm
  - Colville
    
    Simple choice.
    
    National or the Greens.
    
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    April 15, 2019 1:48pm
  - Batman
    
    Approximately 0.0001% of the voting population will have listened to that tape or even remember it by the time they step into the orange both next year…
    
    Next!
    
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    April 15, 2019 1:52pm
Tricati

I see Fletchers are leading the governments latest talk fest, the Building Accord. The company that has a lot to answer for the EQC repair debacle, contractual over-runs like the Christchurch Justice Precinct, and numerous other delayed contracts around NZ.
The fact they have significant interest in BRANZ, hence controlling the approval of alternative cheaper materials, and themselves now controlling around 80% of building material manufacture in NZ. As such, they have significant influence in material cost of building so to have Fletchers seeking the answers to our building problems is a bit like the poacher becoming game keeper.
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April 15, 2019 8:21am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “the poacher becoming game keeper.”
  That implies they have changed their ways.
  More like
  The fox in the hen house. (making them the ONLY fox in the hen house)
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:45am
- Prince
  
  True, but the Game Keeper has invited the Poacher in for a few glasses of Krug and Oyster and Salmon canapes, so why not go along with it.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:04am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Mate who is senior in construction industry tells me Fletchers are just really poor at project management and cost control and that their whole corporate culture is inefficient – almost regardless of what level you deal with, which is why they have been struggling financially of late. They have done well out of having near monopolies on some products and dominant position in some sectors, but will die if they have to compete on a level playing field.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:32am
- calendar girl
  
  Tricati @8:21am: Good comment.
  
  We are told that major commercial competitors in an industry that is critical to our national economy are planning to act more cooperatively – or less aggressively – among themselves. That plan could result in some dissipation of the economic and structural benefits of genuine competition.
  
  In my personal view PM Ardern, for all the advice available to her, would have no real understanding of these “Accord” matters which will ultimately have to comply with black-letter law in the Commerce Act. Rather than lend her own and her Government’s support publicly to a more ‘co-operative’ spirit among major commercial competitors, she should take note and remain conscious of possible detrimental effects on consumers that could arise from any anti-competitive collaboration by producers.
  
  I hope that the Commerce Commission, which is charged with enforcing competition provisions within the Commerce Act, is keeping a very close eye on developments in this context. It might even seek quietly to warn the PM of the legal implications of her appearing to accept or sanction less competition within a major New Zealand industry.
  
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  April 15, 2019 11:35am
- simpleton1
  
  Ardern knows about cartels , but with well being and kindness covers with “accord” inspired by her government.
  The secrecy, the elites clicking together, is really a cartel
  
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  April 15, 2019 11:48am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Our PM who didn’t understand difference between GDP and crown accounts probably ~~thinks~~ knows that a cartel is a car telephone.
    
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    April 15, 2019 2:50pm
Yvette

Brash told the Herald he didn’t know the pamphlet was being distributed again.
“I wrote a chapter in the book that the pamphlet refers to but … I am surprised it is being distributed now because the book came out two or three years ago.” [prior to November, 2015] Brash said he vaguely recalled the pamphlet but not the detail. “I had no involvement in the recent distribution at all but the idea that the book is relevant to Christchurch is patent nonsense.”

The relevance now to the Christchurch Mosque Massacres may be that – Andrew Little is overseeing a review of hate speech in the wake of the terrorist attacks …
It will be better to have more than just one example.

That this pamphlet is being distributed again may be co-incidence, or just selectively “helpful”. (Eons ago, in NZBC television troubles, a Kelburn Street would be pamphleted – one in the letterbox of the Minister of Broadcasting, and one each to two houses either side)

Little … told the Herald his view was the pamphlet is racist. “It peddles myths about pre-European Maori society that historical scholarship does not bear out. If it demonstrates anything, it is that the author of it is an ignorant fool.”

But, it is noted – “Little was not claiming the pamphlet incites, or threatens violence, or that it was defamatory. Those would be legitimate reasons to curtail speech, but Little is claiming the Government needs the power to shut down speech that is foolish.” – David Seymour

The authors of “One Treaty, One Nation” are Hugh Barr, Don Brash, Mike Butler, Reuben Chapple, Peter Cresswell, Bruce Moon, John Robinson and David Round.
So 8 authors

Israel Folau’s post, in the ‘slogan’ panel, lists: drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolaters : eight sinful persuasions.

And the Galatians text which Folau attached also added uncleanness, lasciviousness, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, revelings and such like – so 13 more to make 21 categories that “Hell awaits”, although the text actually says: “… that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God”, which of course is something different – like separation from “God” which is a psychological no-brainer.

But of eight “One Treaty, One Nation” authors, the media select “Don Brash” to smear, just as, of the 21 hell-bound they select “homosexuals” only.

I actually dislike dishonesty more, I think, than I hate “hate” speech
And after all, can speech that is thoroughly honest – in presentation and content – be hate speech?
Except in the minds of those who will decide what we may say.
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April 15, 2019 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  ‘But of eight “One Treaty, One Nation” authors, the media select “Don Brash” to smear, just as, of the 21 hell-bound they select “homosexuals” only.’
  
  The more people who wake up to the fact that the media party are the ones inciting hatred and division the better.
  
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  April 15, 2019 8:56am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Let’s all swap “hate speech” for tolerance. We don’t have to agree with someone else’s viewpoint or expression of that but the boundaries need to be very high before silence is called for.
    
    I find the PM most irritating to listen to or view but I can avoid her. Goliz G. appalls me as do grreens generally but it is only by letting them expound their wild, ludicrous and communistic notions do we know what we need to protect ourselves against.
    
    Turn off the tap if mud comes out you don’t have to drink it.
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:20am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m curious, what “hate speech” featured in that event, and why now must we all be punished?
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Got a house? Got a job? Got a few bucks in the bank?
    
    Now you know.
    
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    April 15, 2019 10:01am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The truth is no defence in regimes which have ‘hate speech’ on the books. It is ultimately a corruption of enlightenment ideals and forcing everyone to salute lies undermines the basis for all interactions.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:36am
- Fletch
  
  The events of Christchurch followed by the gun ban have unfortunately emboldened people like Little (with the totalitarian tendencies of the Left) to think they can enact the authoritarian measures they’ve always wanted to. As someone has written in a comment on Facebook under Newshub’s reporting of the story –
  
  So the guy who couldn’t win a seat , couldn’t win an election gets to define what we can say in public? Yeah right
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:32am
  - Paulus
    
    But Little is still waiting for Peters to join him to go into the Mine PORTAL first.
    As the Miner’s Union leader at the time this is appropriate.
    
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    April 15, 2019 1:59pm
Souvlaki

Made unusual trip to Red Radio this am….Espiner interviewing Bridges on the review into ” culture of National” wrt women . Bridges was needlessly evasive,stoking impression he had something to hide. Seemed devoid of ” nous” IMO. Why stoke your own funeral pyre????.It looks like Bryce Edwards weekend column was correct?.Nats gotta pull their fingers out for God’s sake!!
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April 15, 2019 8:33am
- brett68
  
  The major problem for National is that Bridges will burn National to the ground then admit he’s not up to scratch and stand down.
  
  I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up getting a major split within National, those with Bridges and those against.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    No, the major problem is both the media and “quasi” National voters like you continually denigrating both the party and Simon Bridges.
    
    Railing against something without proposing an alternative is immature and pointless.
    
    Currently, there is no alternative and in National start the “rotating leader” game as per labour, expect to see them in opposition for quite some time.
    
    ardern is a new leader and is bloody useless at it so the media ignore it and the rest of the population with a right thinking brain rail against her…however, regardless of the reasons, her own supporters and colleagues stand firmly behind her.
    
    How about you so called National supporters stand behind Simon Bridges and allow him to develop into a decent leader.
    
    Sir John Key also did some pretty dumb stuff as did helen clark.
    
    FFS, give him a little time to carve his own way. Currently the caucus seem to be supporting him, how you guys act like grownups and try to do the same.
    
    If he doesn’t make the grade, the caucus will act but in doing so, will consign themselves to the opposition benches for a while.
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:59am
    - brett68
      
      He is Nationals version of David Cunliffe, not everyone can be a leader and Simon falls into that camp, he will not inspire the voters required to win the next election.
      
      Simon Bridges will be the reason Ardern wins in 2020.
      I struggle to support someone who will be partially responsible for pushing NZ of a cliff.
      
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      April 15, 2019 11:14am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Actually, the leftist press will determine the outcome of the next election. If they continue to starve national of positive press and try to lie, fabricate and misrepresent what any non- left person says, we as a country are screwed.
        
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        April 15, 2019 2:11pm
      - Tall Man
        
        The sad thing is not that you are wrong, it’s that you don’t know why yo’ re wrong.
        
        Despite your ongoing tirades against him, to date you have not suggested a viable alternative or sholud the National party fold because brett doesn’t like Simon… It’s starting to look like a schoolboy squabble with you.
        
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        April 15, 2019 4:57pm
    - Wired-one
      
      Completely agree.
      
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      April 15, 2019 1:06pm
    - Paulus
      
      No matter who leads the National Party we are still Two Blue Ticks so stick it up.
      And Simon is a good local MP too.
      
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      April 15, 2019 2:02pm
    - ducklin71
      
      Tall man I’ve supported National since the 1996 election, including the current leader Simon. He is a decent bloke. What crossed the line for me (and i bet no doubt many others) was supporting instant gun control which affects tens of thousands of Kiwis, including business owners, who did nothing wrong. I won’t forgive that.
      
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      April 15, 2019 5:48pm
      - Tall Man
        
        You don’t have to “forgive” that but seriously, what would you have done in his shoes?
        
        If they had spoken against this virtue signalling legislation they would have been branded as supporters of tarrant.
        
        Rightly or wrongly the snowflakes, the media and all the dipshit “mummies” out there (including a few ball less blokes) were convinced that this would make New Zealand safe.
        
        Ironically, the death rate per 100,000 here and Australia are virtually identical, 1.07 here and 1.04 there so what has the removal of “semi autos” done there…. nothing.
        
        So again, what would you have done because anything other than the path he followed would have destroyed their chances in 2020.
        
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        April 15, 2019 7:21pm
- Andrei
  
  Dump Simon Bridges and National will loose the next election
  
  The reason why the media are going for him is because he is an adult unlike the vapid school girl who they are boosting with nauseating hagiographies on a daily basis.
  
  Silly Cindy maybe able to parlay the Christchurch atrocity into another election victory but then again how long can the media keep this story alive? And when it comes down to it she is candy floss
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    “she is candy floss”
    
    And a really small serving.
    
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    April 15, 2019 10:55am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I don’t think The Beast taking time out from throwing empty vodka bottles at the walls and wondering what happened to praise our Cindy is necessarily a good thing. But the media is loving it.
    
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    April 15, 2019 11:25am
  - alien
    
    Keep bridges and national will lose the election. He is useless. He was useless as a minister, arrogant in question time as a minister and worse as the Leader of the opposition
    
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    April 15, 2019 12:07pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Oh dear oh dear.
      
      You really have no idea do you or do you just not watch QT anymore?
      
      You are just buying into the labour fed soundbites that the media flick out there without foundation.
      
      He is an extremely popular and competent electorate Mp who is rightly feared by “what’s in it for wynston”. He has managed to keep National’s support base relatively intact and his MPs supporting him despite jlr and calling one “fucking useless”.
      
      I’m sure he has sleepless nights worrying about what he can do to please you……or not.
      
      If you want charismatic you know who to vote for. If you want a competent government with sound policies you should also know who to vote for.
      
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      April 15, 2019 5:07pm
  - Piniwi
    
    @ Andrei 10.15 am. Many note the regular pattern being displayed by the COL/Media party which precedes bad news ahead for the voters/taxpayers. With the rush of PR for the PM coupled with an increase in attacks on the Leader of the Opposition. Could it be the pending announcement of a watered down CGT on Thursday? All standard COL MO as the house is in recess and it will be “delivered” along with the longest weekend break in NZ. In usual Labour style it will be an outstretched palm as opposed to the traditional Easter symbol of a palm. Ironical since it is the only time that worshipers take a visible gift from their place of worship.
    Or could it be their internal polls are indicating a much less tolerant level of forgiveness being indicate from voters ?
    
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    April 15, 2019 1:31pm
RW Capitalist

A couple of things this morning
1. Israel Falau:
If all on his list are going to hell, in HIS opinion.
It begs a couple of thoughts.
a, This will happen AFTER your death, so doesn’t impact you, and no threat is against you now is either implied or stated. (PS his religion believes in absolution, so alls good.)
b, As an atheist I don’t believe in hell, so alls good.
2. Economists are finally agreeing with us, the Steven Joyce fiscal hole may be bigger than $11bill
Thanks MSM.
3. The building industry and the govt. are setting up an “accord” talk fest to you and me.
From what I have heard so far.
This will kill off innovation, creative work practices.
Deny small to medium contractors direct access to Govt. contracts. Destined to remain subcontractors to the big guys.
Guarantee the large companies govt. work regardless of efficiency and price.
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April 15, 2019 8:38am
- G152
  
  Snowflakes gotta snowflake
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:12am
- howitis
  
  It is a good thing Israel is not Jehovah Witness.
  There are only 144,000 places in heaven in their beliefs.
  Hell, even with double bunking; or
  12 people to 3 rooms that used to happen before 23 Sept 2017 but not since (in that painful pre-princess purgatory we endured before the scales were lifted from our eyes and a world of wellness and kindness opened up) ; or
  a bit of Airbnb time in heaven as annual leave from hell;
  that is still a lot of people who won’t get to heaven.
  7,000,000,000 minus 144,000 = a lot of people of people who won’t make it to heaven.
  Might as well sin, I say.
  As observed from the Watchtower.
  
  I wonder if Jehovah’s son Prince made it?
  I wonder if Tanty Queen, Jehovah’s daughter Serena, will make the cut?
  
  Religion. Its personal.
  Some people believe Liverpool FC. are the greatest while others would say Barcelona FC. Some people think horse racing is the best sport ( I’m just keeping in Uncle Whinny’s good books) while others believe in heaven and hell.
  People should be allowed to believe in what they like.
  It’s how they act on it.
  
  I believe Feminism is a severe mental illness but that not even feminists should be in a straight jacket.
  Lizzie and co. provide so much fact-free entertainment.
  Free-range factoid fanatic Golriz is like a perpetual (e)motion machine. Nothing goes in but a lot comes out!
  I am sure there are some who think they should be locked up.
  That is like locking up your only decent comedians.
  
  The greatest proponents of Hate Speech in NZ is the media. They push hate on many people.
  White males; Christians; a Brown male who lives in Australia of Tongan descent and plays professional sport in Australia called Israel; rich people; taxpayers; people who like shagging the opposite sex (of only 2 real genders) .
  It will be interesting if Hate speech laws are pushed because I will be reporting the NZ media daily to the new commissioner!
  
  I guess the media hate on Israel Folau is because being Christian cancels out being Brown, he is left as a Male and therefore fully exposed.
  
  Where there is media driven hate speech that I want to report to the new commissioner (bring it on) is the hate delivered by NZ media filth on Maria Folau, a NZ born brown female who has actually said nothing, just continued her professional sporting career which she has done for over 10 years while winning 2 gold medals for NZ at Comm Games.
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:05am
- septic skeptic
  
  Sounds like a government mandated cartel to me.
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:32am
- Fletch
  
  1. It’s not Israel’s opinion, it’s God’s.
  a. This ignores that you have an immortal soul which can only end up in two places after death – eternal agony or eternal joy. You may choose not to believe this, of course, but many people believe that death is not the end.
  b. I could say that I don’t believe in gravity, as well, and walk off the side of a building, but I would shortly be disabused of the notion. Similarly, I could say that I don’t believe in the law against robbing a bank but the law exists despite what I believe, even if I had never heard of the law (or if I had heard of the law but refused to believe its existence). Nevertheless, if I got caught during my robbery, it would become apparent that it is real.
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:43am
lastmanstanding

Be prepared. The Hate Speech Laws are coming and like the CGT they will start out appearing to be mild and then be ramped up over time.

The strategy with both Hate Speech Laws and the CGT is to get the citizens used to the idea and then turn the screws bit by bit until it is too late.

Think history. Think of the regimes in the past where the citizens were slowly turned by propaganda until they accepted the most heinous laws.

This is the agenda of Labour and the Greens.

To punish any speech that they dont agree with and to redistribute wealth from those they say are rich to those they say are poor all the time ensuring their own wealth is enhanced.
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April 15, 2019 8:56am
- MickMac
  
  If National don’t clearly enunciate that they will kill both laws on becoming govt, i won’t think of voting for them.
  
  Looking at Simon on TV, he looks and sounds a wet.
  Sorry but that is all I could think the whole segment.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:04am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Is the ‘Get Simon’ team out in force today?
    What significant news awaits that needs deflection?
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:09am
    - Souvlaki
      
      Hardly! I’m a supporter…trying to be objective rather than blinkered. Have a listen to the Espiner interview…in truth an embarrassment!
      
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      April 15, 2019 9:30am
  - kowtow
    
    Prior to March 15 the Nats were passing themselves off as very pro the licensed firearm holder , they’ve since run for the hills .
    
    The Nats have no principles , only self interest .
    
    And before the resident interns bag me , they also helped entrench treatyism as well as hammered private property rights ( anti tobacco) all to appease the Murri Party. And where did that alliance get the Nats ?
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:12am
    - Prince
      
      It got them nine years in Govt, and demonstrated yet again that National produces better outcomes for Maori.
      By all means set up your Party opposing firearms reform, supporting Tobacco industry and rejecting any ‘special treatment’ for Maori (or Murri as you cleverly put it).
      
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      April 15, 2019 9:24am
    - MickMac
      
      You’ve got it in one Kowtow.
      Labourlite
      
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      April 15, 2019 1:42pm
- brett68
  
  If anyone has school aged children or grandchildren be very wary what you say around them.
  
  I’m expecting we’re going to end up with our own variant of the “red guards”.
  
  Teachers will start lecturing children on hate speech and to tell them if Mum and Dad or Grandpa and Grandma have been saying bad things, so then they can “help them”.
  
  And if you think I’m making it up, it’s already happening around green issues like recycling where the kids are getting taught to shame Mum and Dad into changing their ways.
  
  Because Mum and Dad aren’t as clever as what you are and you need to help them change.
  
  Hate speech will be many steps above that will have serious ramifications for people.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Because Mum and Dad aren’t as clever as what you are and you need to help them change.”
    
    Technically, that could be viewed as a form of hate speech by the teacher. I’m not a snowflake or overly sensitive but “inciting” children to speak out or even against their parents is more unacceptable to be than a mentally disturbed nutjob standing front of a mosque and ranting at muslims.
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:50am
    - brett68
      
      Maybe “not aware” and “a bit old and out of touch” is a better description than not clever enough.
      
      Because if they did understand the importance of climate change don’t you think they would have done something about it already?
      Obviously they don’t understand and need to be told that what they’re a doing is now bad and they have to change.
      
      Same sort of strategy can be easily applied to hate speech.
      
      That’s how you convince children that dobbing in Mum and Dad is a good thing, worked for Mao
      
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      April 15, 2019 11:06am
      - freethinker
        
        It isn’t young children really advocating for action to mitigate climate change, its the adults who indoctrinate them – TEACHERS- who are going on strike because society does not value them and they wonder why – god give me patience.
        
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        April 15, 2019 1:01pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I fully expect the opposition party to be on this like a flash. This is an important vote-winner.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlj_2ivCMlQ
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:38am
Wired-one

On the AM show this morning, economist Cameron Bagrie not only stated that the fiscal hole was coming, he suggests it will be significantly larger than Joyce’s prediction. I look forward to the media apologizing to Mr Joyce and taking this government to task over this…yeah thought so.
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April 15, 2019 8:57am
- Ian Boag
  
  If you read the Herald article that the interview is based on – Bagrie – in the same article – also says things are in reasonable shape and it would make sense for the govt to be a bit less focussed on debt levels. Surpluses expected for the next few years etc.
  
  Go figure
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    And again ian you miss the point.
    
    The point was there “will” be a fiscal hole and larger than what was previously vigorously denied by labour who demonstrated their total ignorance on fiscal matters.
    
    The current status is tending towards negative as we are still “coasting” on the previous administration’s hard work. That is coming to an end and those genuine labour supporters, those who work hard and raise good families, will be the ones hurt the most.
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:45am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Have Tui stopped doing those adds?
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:20am
secondcumming

Get a load of what this *tool* has tweeted……you’d have to feel sorry for his ‘9-year-old son’ BoL!!

https://twitter.com/CarlWinkleton/status/1117037140838367233
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April 15, 2019 8:58am
- JibberJabber
  
  A Gold Star and a Unicorn stamp for They for being so Woke.
  #*cough*Bullshit*cough*
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:06am
- Tall Man
  
  Pretty sure that “sarcasm” drips of this tweet.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:39am
kowtow

‘Iranian hijab protester Vida Movahed, who in 2017 removed her obligatory Islamic headscarf in a public protest, has been sentenced to one year in prison for her act of defiance.’

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/04/14/iranian-hijab-protester-vida-movahed-receives-prison-sentence/

Are we to embrace and love the people who’d lock up a woman for daring to be free ?
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April 15, 2019 9:00am
- MickMac
  
  Where’s Adhern, Genter & Golrig now ?
  
  Where were they last week at the Iranian women sentenced to years in Prison?
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:05am
  - MickMac
    
    ohh and the defense lawyers getting sent to prison for defending their clients !
    
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    April 15, 2019 2:31pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If anyone is suggesting we should embrace and love the Iranian government I must have missed it.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s not the “embracing” we haven’t seen it’s the criticism or even condemnation we haven’t seen.
    
    Maria Folau is now being pilloried in the media and on social media because she did not “speak out” against her husband. Please explain to me how our hijab wearing poser’s silence on this is any different.
    
    Have the two non male green mps come out against this?
    
    What about about the previous anti Christmas ex Human Rights Commissioner? Anybody?
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:36am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Maria Folau is now being pilloried in the media and on social media because she did not “speak out” against her husband.
      
      Of course this is a worry..
      
      I’ve nagged my old man for 40+ years and the bugga still won’t listen.
      What’s a gal to do?
      Maria and Israel have only been married for one and half years…. She’s hardly had any time to grind him into the dust.
      
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      April 15, 2019 11:43am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I suggest you try to judge people you actually meet individually, on the basis of their individual choices, actions and words, rather than prejudicing your assumptions about them individually on the basis of your opinion about their community.
  
  People who assume all Muslims are lovely, gentle people based on the admirable response of some of them to the Christchurch attack, are just as idiotic as people who assume they are all backward, benighted bigots based on stories such as this.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe “collectively” they fall more to your later description.
    
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    April 15, 2019 9:30am
    - freethinker
      
      I judge immigrants on their actions – moving to another country implies you consider your host country to be better place to live than your country of origin. There are no laws in NZ requiring an immigrant to continue complying with laws & customs of origin nor that you may not so comply. By speaking the host countries language, adopting local dress and predominant cultural norms you integrate and become accepted as the host population observes the immigrants genuine desires to become a Kiwi. By maintaining the country of origins Language, dress and customs you demonstrate that your real desire is for your host to provide the things unavailable in country of origin whilst retaining the things from your origin and expecting your host to accept a l change to their culture and thereby become a target for host citizens to oppose and reject you – just as many Muslim countries reject western Dress Religious Beliefs and Culture. If non western type countries maintain this attitude and lack of tolerance they and their expatriates should not be surprised when their new host country adopts the same attitude.
      
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      April 15, 2019 1:25pm
  - MickMac
    
    Albert
    All the lands now considered Muslim once were not.
    They were Persian, Christian, Pagan, Animist and others.
    Islam is a monoculture and brooks no others.
    It destroys Architecture, Art and Statues to clease the environment.
    
    History shows and tells us the truth if we will listen.
    
    Albert.
    Muslims are either Muhammads or not, Observant or Not (therefore apostates).
    That was Muhammads view. He is their example.
    Read the 2nd part of the chronological Koran.
    
    The Muslims here in NZ are a tiny minority of 50k out of 4 Million+ and rightly act so, they aren’t out there.
    But are they followers of Muhammads Islam or something their own?
    
    Note all Islamic Jurisprudance calls for death for Apostates. All.
    
    30% of Muslims (under 35) in London want Sharia Law where they live. (Muslims are 12.4% of London’s Population, therefore those who long for Sharia in London UK are 372k approx)
    
    There’s a baseline to start a conversation.
    
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    April 15, 2019 2:12pm
KevO'Brien

There is no way the COL can fix the construction industry. This is effectively nationalisation. Has Fletchers run out of steam and is now ready for a govt buyout? Are all building supplies to be state controlled and contract prices too? Effectively all workers in the industry would become quasi state employees. MOW?

Private contractors must be anathama to communists–too much freedom. That’s at the heart of KiwiBuild becoming buyer of last resort in the new housing sector. Private contractors take personal risks: the COL underwriting housing passes those risk on to the reluctant remaining taxpayers.

This COL must be stopped before further damage is inflicted.
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April 15, 2019 9:02am
- Tall Man
  
  Prior to the election the industry (domestic) was as close to capacity as you can get.
  
  Commercially it was pretty much over capacity which is why so many projects were running behind time and over budget.
  
  Only 2 things will impact capacity, more immigrant tradesmen or more factory built houses.
  
  Nothing else will work despite ridiculous “hard hat” photo ops and hurty faces pumped out by the pathetic organisation we call “media”.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:29am
  - freethinker
    
    Correct as far as you go but a big Elephant in the room remains the RMA which accounts for much increased costs and delays.
    
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    April 15, 2019 1:27pm
    - Tall Man
      
      That is correct but with or without “fixes” for the RMA, we still don’t have spare capacity.
      
      Around here, just over the border actually, someone wanted to build a rammed earth and staw bale house.
      
      The council declined their application as they wanted to see one build before they would accept them into the district plan. Catch 22…or that was what the builder told me.
      
      Another wanted to place a “factory built” home on a site and again the caoncil blocked it because they could “sign” it off without doing all the mandated “inspections”.
      
      You can defeat these numpties but it takes time and money and grit so why bother.
      
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      April 15, 2019 5:16pm
- BananaLlama
  
  This idea that National didn’t build houses is a load of bull (generally speaking here).
  Alot of residential was going in the problem was it lagged behind immigration.
  Now that this government is slowing down immigration they are finding that prices are stagnating and the number of residentials is slowing down as well as there is no longer a demand for more housing.
  So ofc we will see construction companies falter as the tide starts going out and the global economy slows.
  Too bad for Labour who know fuck all about anything outside their taxpayer offices. Maybe they will think carefully about their policies next time they run for government after getting the arse from an angry public.
  
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  April 15, 2019 11:39am
  - freethinker
    
    Latest figure from Stats NZ show immigration numbers climbing, however given the Census debacle a figure pulled out my a&&&e may be just as accurate.
    
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    April 15, 2019 1:29pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      You know what you are right, February was a big month.
      
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      April 15, 2019 2:19pm
  - MickMac
    
    sorry Banana
    I thought National sold HMZ houses every time they got in?
    
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    April 15, 2019 2:28pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Was that so someone could own their own home and the Government could use the money to go and build another more appropriate house? What bastards they must be…….
      
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      April 15, 2019 5:22pm
JibberJabber

And don`t we know it?

Increasingly, in a crowded market for alarm, it becomes necessary to make the scares up. More and more headlines about medical or environmental panics are based on published scientific papers, but ones that are little more than lies laundered into respectability with a little statistical legerdemain.

https://spectator.us/lying-science-myth-debunking/
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April 15, 2019 9:02am
Tony Stuart

Tiger Woods; what a story.

I lost a lot of respect for Woods when the rumours of his serial infidelity broke, as did many. He went to some pretty dark places in the aftermath of that, probably hitting his nadir when he was picked up by the police in his car, and out of his head on prescription drugs.

Before his latest surgery, there was a fair chance he would never play again, but over the last year Woods has gradually got his game back together. He was in contention at the last two Majors of 2018, then won the Tour Championship at the end of the season to much acclaim. Now he has broken his Majors drought which stretches back to the US Open in June 2008, where he literally won the tournament in an eighteen hole playoff on one leg.

You can’t help but admire the guts and grit he has showed in his comeback. He’s also a much more rounded man, with humility now where once there was hubris. It was cool to see the camera shot of his mother, children and girlfriend as he played #18. And having proved to himself more than anything that he can win again at the highest level, Jack Nicklaus’ record of 18 Majors is once again under threat. And golf is much more interesting to watch because of it.
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April 15, 2019 9:22am
- alex Masterley
  
  It was great watching the golf this morning.
  And it is good to see the Tiger on the prowl once more.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:28am
kowtow

Palace politics of our permanent political elites …….

“Senior members of the New Zealand China Council (NZCC) have been told there is no room for Dame Jenny Shipley to be reappointed when it undergoes a restructure next month.
The downsizing of the council came as a result of a meeting with Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters late last year.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/times-shipley-nz-china-council
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April 15, 2019 9:40am
- Tall Man
  
  Spite in action.
  
  Hopefully in 2020, we get to tell “what’s in it for wynston” there is no place for him at the trough he loves so much.
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:51am
- Bill felt
  
  Dame Jenny should have resigned already.
  
  The China Council is too big and should be downsized anyway regardless of Shipley, the China relationship or anything else.
  
  Having Peter Chrisp and Chris Seed on board in anything other than a observer role is stupidity. It is the private sector that gets trade going not any Govt agency.
  
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  April 15, 2019 10:56am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Why should Shipley have gone already?
    She was still Chair of the local board of the China Industrial Construction Bank. However, her tenure as Chair is being brought to an end.
    
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    April 15, 2019 11:44am
Maggie Pie

Telly will be sooo boring for the next few weeks or so.
No more QT till the end of April, and MAFS AU has finished.
I see Jess and Dan have already broken up – but have a squiz at the new-look Jess!
Id have to say say Dan has crapped out BIG TIME

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwLyfZPH6F6/
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April 15, 2019 9:43am
- Fletch
  
  I’ve found that I don’t watch TV anymore, really. Occasionally I may turn on the TV in the morning to watch that game show where they drop metal counters into a box with sliding shelves (strangely engrossing version of the fairground ‘Coin pusher’) but I can’t remember the last time I watched TV in the evening.
  
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  April 15, 2019 11:09am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Cmon Fletch cheer up! Theres better things on telly than that boring old ‘Tipping Point’ – i hate it..
    Have a gander at ‘First Dates’ 8:30 thursday nites.
    It makes you both larf and squirm at the same time 🙂
    
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    April 15, 2019 11:51am
wreck1080

One of the countries top economists argues for the capital gains tax that I would like (not Cullens rubbish version of one)….

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/hell-yes-new-zealand-should-have-a-capital-gains-tax-economist/ar-BBVVTo3?li=BBqdg4K

“”I think most people accept that New Zealand’s old-school economic model of more cows on the land, more investment in non-renewables, a turbo-charged property market and growth from migration gains, it’s not the right economic model. It’s unsustainable. So we’re dishing out some hits to rein those sectors in… we need to find replacement sources of growth on the other side of the ledger, and pretty damn fast.””
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April 15, 2019 10:52am
- BananaLlama
  
  If NZ farmers could move their land out of this country Jacinda would be left with an export economy the size of Jamaicas.
  
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  April 15, 2019 12:04pm
- fernglas
  
  Agreed. I don’t like the idea of a CGT but if there is to be one it has to be fair, and like GST, that means taxing all capital gains, whether they be on shares, investment property, residential property or the rise in value of one’s fine art collection. Otherwise you just get evasion and skewing of investment into the most tax effective, rather than the most productive, areas
  
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  April 15, 2019 12:08pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Almost impossible to achieve fairness. CGT is best left alone.
    As a long time tax administrator the proposals are a horror story. I’m waiting on the Bill before getting worked up. If they decide to continue with their folly they will have to get through law drafting–fun awaits the amateurs.
    
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    April 15, 2019 1:22pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Bagrie is just parroting the current international socialist fairness meme. No one who has ever had to assess and collect taxes would want a bar of it. It could beggar a govt if they had to deal with declining values–they can’t have it all one way and be fair.
  
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  April 15, 2019 1:31pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Wreck- this week marks the 45th anniversary of my introduction into the world of pastoral farming.
  In all that time – every year – we have been told by economists, anti farming lobbyists and a range of know-all politicians, what should be done and not done in and around farming.
  And it was always the same:
  We must not be so reliant on export income from primary production.
  There must be more diversity and added value. Farming is a “sunset industry”.
  Tourism is the way forward.
  And latterly – farmers must pay more tax – land tax, water tax, fuel tax, emissions tax – just whatever randomly comes to mind.
  And so on. And on.
  And yet here we are all, these years later, still working hard earning export income from farming.
  Economists- excuse me if I’m not impressed with the views of economists.
  
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  April 15, 2019 1:50pm
- MickMac
  
  No More taxes.
  
  Least tax needed!!!!!!
  What don’t you get about that…
  
  Tax to pay needs not wants.
  Balance our budget like we ask people to do.
  
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  April 15, 2019 2:18pm
- Ross12
  
  If Bagrie thinks it is so easy to change NZ’s economic model he should get off his rear end and form company that leads the way into the “new economy”.
  Put his money where his mouth is.
  Consultancies do not count.
  I will not hold my breath.
  BTW . What does this mean ? “more investment in non-renewables”
  
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  April 15, 2019 3:15pm
- Tall Man
  
  Why don’t they just spend a little less?
  
  No buyback, no free fees, no working groups…that’s about $2 billion saved.
  
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  April 15, 2019 4:50pm
stigie

I reckon your partner would think she’s a silly bitch, like the rest of us Maggie..?
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April 15, 2019 10:56am
sooty

Lady got run over in her driveway on the weekend. Will be interesting to see whether it’s a road accident and in Genters numbers or not!
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April 15, 2019 12:30pm
Maggie Pie

What we have found amazing – is that weve heard more about the late Yvette Williams
in the last 36 hours than we have in the last 36 years. We’d hadnt even heard of her!
How come she was never made a Dame or something? As my partner said, it sounds like she did a lot more for NZ in her lifetime and would have deserved it ahead of many of those other self-important poseurs out there.
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April 15, 2019 12:52pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps your partner forgot to nominate her for another honour.
  
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  April 15, 2019 2:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And what have you ever done in your life mike – except critisize others from the safety of your bedsit?
    lol.
    
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    April 15, 2019 3:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Bedsit… compost bin judging by the bitterness.
      
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      April 15, 2019 4:48pm
    - alien
      
      Now now you two stop fighting. I think it is pretty obvious from those of us that watch you two interact here that mike is your partner or your stalker, either way……..
      
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      April 15, 2019 6:42pm
- Guy Preston
  
  Back in the late 80’s she visited our school and brought her medal in to show us. A very kind and generous lady – I still have her autograph somewhere.
  
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  April 15, 2019 4:35pm
JibberJabber

A fantastic site,

https://www.watercolourworld.org/
80,000 Historic Paintings Chronicling the World Before Photography Now Available Online.
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April 15, 2019 2:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Auckland Scientists playing dirty..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112045400/aut-backs-sender-of-mental-health-email-about-physicist

Don’t like someone expressing their view…tell folks that they are mentally ill.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/15/531143/smears-and-fury-in-big-telescope-lobbying

(Seems to be a common smearing technique these days)
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April 15, 2019 2:41pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Was standard technique in USSR too wasn’t it? Condemn dissidents to mental asylums to try and destroy their credibility. Everything old is new again to the acolytes of the regressive controlling left – of which academia is the core.
  
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  April 15, 2019 2:55pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You must find it very difficult to determine which branch of the ‘regressive controlling left’ is at fault in this stoush – AUT or University of Auckland?
    
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    April 15, 2019 3:06pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s pretty obvious to me that someone who has to resort to defamatory smears against another doesn’t have much way in the way of a convincing argument.
      
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      April 15, 2019 3:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        As I do not much care about what squabbling acvademics might have been say about each other, I was merely observing that Urban Neocolonialist might find equal difficulty in deciding which branch of the ‘regressive controlling left’ is represented by which university.
        
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        April 15, 2019 3:36pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Indeed it was a standard technique employed by the repressive Communist State.
    
    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/05/soviet-era-punitive-psychiatry-making-return-170530141852510.html
    
    Punitive psychiatry was especially convenient because unlike a prison sentence, a hospitalisation term could be indefinite. A person was only released when he or she retracted the “wrong ideas” that first led to his or her confinement. In this way, psychiatric hospitals hoped to help realise the communist vision of a uniform society.
    
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    April 15, 2019 3:23pm
- chiz
  
  Auckland Scientists playing dirty..
  
  Wow. Perhaps Ensor is the one who needs to seek medical help.
  
  Love the way he brags about belonging to so many professional societies, and about their codes of conduct even though he’s defaming people privately.
  
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  April 15, 2019 4:12pm
- MrTips
  
  I must say I have had some concerns about the tactics of AUT over the years. This article, and the attitudes it expresses by AUT employees, does nothing to dissuade me of them. I would have thought Ensor would be worried now, as he has left himself wide open for defamation.
  
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  April 15, 2019 4:50pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Let’s hope not. Normal people don’t sue for defamation. See:
    https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-throwing-of-katz-under-bus-craig-v.html
    
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    April 15, 2019 5:12pm
MrsAnnie

TV One Poll out tonight. Will be interesting. I am almost too scared to look. Wall to wall Cindy worship for the last month. CGT poll indicated that Nat voters held strong 41/42%….. any thoughts??
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April 15, 2019 3:02pm
- secondcumming
  
  ZB were talking about *Bryce Edward’s* prediction in the Horrid, that Simon would likely be rolled by Judith before the end of the month…..he’ll be hoping for a strong showing.
  
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  April 15, 2019 3:29pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  17 months to the election.
  
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  April 15, 2019 3:34pm
- alien
  
  Labour will be polling high, national down, no first and greens gone. This will solely be based on how the pm has acted in Christchurch, well perceived to of acted. Once some policies come out labour will go down. Hopefully the poll is enough for national to realise bridges and Bennett need to go
  
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  April 15, 2019 4:46pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What have Labour done to poll well? How many points is a headscarf worth compared to the coming restraints proposed on speech, ideas and action.
    How do the COL rate against the mandate granted last election? -5?
    
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    April 15, 2019 5:43pm
    - alien
      
      Labour don’t need to do anything to poll well, all they need is the positive press attention and that is what they have had now for nearly a month. Very little attention on the issues people face. Really it’s a dream run for them because they haven’t had to explain their policies or anything.
      
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      April 15, 2019 6:40pm
    - Wired-one
      
      Sorry reported you instead of pressing reply. But the facts are the media anointed Ardern as their messiah, it was not the NZ public that coined the term “Jacindamania”, it was a media. The MSM were looking for another narrative, to go against the overwhelming belief that National were still well ahead in the lead up to the election, they needed a story, they are hardly going to criticize their darling now. It does not matter that “Jacindamania” fizzled out at 36% of the vote, or that her government is the most incompetent, inept, out of their depth bunch of charlatans in our history, Ardern is apparently kind, that’s all that matters. The NZ political landscape is no longer about policy delivery and facts, its about feelings and bullshit catch phrases. Just look at what she has achieved, more pollution, more welfare, more poverty, more regulation, greater control over peoples freedoms, a soon to be CGT that the majority don’t want, as well as a hate speech law that you just know will be targeted against the right, and worst of all, shes convinced a large part of society that the reason they have a shitty life, is because of ordinary hard working kiwis like me and you. How fucking pathetic that none of that ever receives an ounce of investigative journalism or reporting?, incompetent twats!
      
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      April 15, 2019 6:46pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The “mandate” was to severly reduce immigration and build budget houses and maybe…reduce the non existant child poverdee.
      
      To date….zero.
      
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      April 15, 2019 7:02pm
      - alien
        
        Yeah, but during the polling period all the media focused on was her, Christchurch and how much she is supported overseas. They haven’t focused on any of the issues, so that is why they are polling high. Now the next poll should be down for labour and her with what ever roll out of the tax recommendations they accept and other issues coming back into the light
        
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        April 15, 2019 7:27pm
      - brett68
        
        You won’t see another poll until Ardern does something that the voters like.
        
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        April 15, 2019 7:43pm
- kowtow
  
  Fear not.
  
  Peaking too early is poor strategy.
  
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  April 15, 2019 4:48pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Whatever, the COL are incompetent, ideologists and amateurs. The voters sense that too–let them face an economic downturn and see how they do.
  They can’t build houses so do they now propose to buy out Fletchers? How much more damage can they do before being turfed out next year?
  
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  April 15, 2019 5:38pm
  - Tall Man
    
    More than we want.
    
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    April 15, 2019 6:55pm
Happychappy

Winston First and his Party could be wiped out if this actually happens .

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/387074/government-s-energy-policy-could-drive-electricity-prices-up-39-percent
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April 15, 2019 3:03pm
- The Heat
  
  Yeah, go on LabGreens – do it.
  
  I can’t wait to see the look on so many stupid voters faces as their cost of living goes – pointlessly – through the roof, all so some politicians and envirotwats can puff-up and virtue signal. And they voted for it! 🙂
  
  However, when a leftists own cash is at stakes, everything changes…
  
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  April 15, 2019 6:16pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/speed-camera-tickets-nationwide-treble-in-year

Speed camera fines increasing massively, and so is road toll. Obvious conclusion is that need to reduce speed camera fines to decrease road toll 😉
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April 15, 2019 4:07pm
- sooty
  
  Oh no! We need to vastly increase the fines!
  
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  April 15, 2019 5:51pm
Ross12

Some people are calling President Trump thinking out loud about putting illegal immigrants into sanctuary cities to be good trolling. I think it is just fantastic politics by calling the opponents bluff. ( maybe that is trolling in the modern vernacular )
He has shown them all up to be the biggest hypocrites they could be.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-14/cory-booker-releasing-migrants-sanctuary-cities-would-make-us-less-safe
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April 15, 2019 5:20pm
- Cobolt24
  
  Hehehehe… Have a look at what Cher had to say: https://twitter.com/cher/status/1117491420934365185
  
  She’s done a complete 180 saying what about caring for the citizens and veterans.
  
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  April 15, 2019 9:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Set up a refugee centre in Mt Albert and see what our pm thinks. Even better, build the new waterfront stadium and convert Eden Park into a “low cost Council housing estate,”.
    
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    April 16, 2019 8:12am
ducklin71

This is too much fun dammit. I should be working!
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April 15, 2019 5:54pm
Wired-one

Latest poll is out, Ardern is riding high on 51% support, an increase because she handled the Christchurch attack just like any other decent human would have…Bridges on 5% which im calling bullshit on, there’s no way only 5% of people in this country prefer Simon over Ardern, id guess at a minimum half of national supporters would be voting for him. Still I suppose the media want him rolled so they can get a few juicy stories, once the fallout begins.
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April 15, 2019 6:32pm
- alien
  
  The poll showed 47% of the country don’t support Arden.
  
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  April 15, 2019 7:35pm
- brett68
  
  Female voters, they tend to be pack animals and so many vote on emotion and solidarity, negative comments about Ardern are just viewed as sexism by many, doesn’t matter if it’s justified or not.
  
  Said it before only another woman can beat Ardern in 2020, a guy can but it will take until 2023 or more likely 2026.
  
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  April 15, 2019 7:46pm
Hugh Pavletich

… AUSTRALIA …

The housing bust and why it’s likely to continue – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-15/why-the-housing-bust-is-likely-to-continue/11002296

… extract …

The looming glut

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-15/dwellings-under-construction-graph/11002302

… One of the RBA’s biggest concerns was the large number of new apartments about to hit the market, especially in Sydney.

The bank’s Financial Stability Review is normally a reasonably dry affair. Not this time. With an entire section devoted entirely to the risks associated with the shift in supply to high-density apartments, it makes for sober reading.

“The large influx in supply has the potential to exacerbate housing price declines,” it notes. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… No lessons learned from Miami 2007 …

As Condos Rise in South Florida, Nervous Investors Try to Flee – The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/us/26condo.html
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April 15, 2019 7:06pm
DigNap15

The bad thing about our latest immigration figures is the percentage of “families” and other losers.
The number of quaified workers is falling.
Thanks Labour
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April 15, 2019 7:23pm
dcrown

The Hill: Omar says she has faced increase in death threats since Trump tweet
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/438869-omar-says-she-has-faced-increasing-number-of-death-threats

Maybe she is simply facing a backlash for being anti-Semitic and her sympathetic comments about the 911 terrorists?
Take some personal responsibility instead of playing the victim card and crying “Orange Man Bad!”
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April 15, 2019 7:46pm
nasska

And while we’re on the subject of polls a recent survey indicates that the Smartphone is now the number one hand held device.

The penis has slipped to second spot.
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April 15, 2019 8:23pm
Tall Man

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/15/538731/decline-in-chinese-tourists

Well this should make a few of those on here suffering from Sinophobia and “what’s in it for wynston” really happy.

Unfortunately they are just the tip of the iceberg…all visitor numbers are down it seems. Maybe someone could arrange a few “hijab” tours.
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April 15, 2019 8:42pm
Tall Man

“https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@sportsroom/2019/04/09/527597/time-to-end-rugbys-uneasy-ill-chosen-crusade”

Well, winter is coming so I guess we can all expect more snowflakes.
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April 15, 2019 9:01pm
Shaun the Sheep

Going to a funeral this week.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96692936/labour-leader-jacinda-ardern-tells-families-of-those-lost-to-suicide-you-will-be-heard

“When it comes to suicide, Jacinda Ardern doesn’t believe in setting a target “that’s anything other than zero”.”

Oops, missed.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/111002510/held-to-account-mental-health-a-crisis-the-government-knows-how-to-fix
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April 15, 2019 9:56pm
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  “Oops, missed.”..Nope, didn’t even try.
  
  “Don’t care, got elected thanks, here’s a CGT so I can buy even more votes now bugger off”.
  
  That’s your wonderful leader’s response.
  
  You need to ascertain which of her “promises” were labour leader promises so irrelevant, hopeful pm promises so also irrelevant and just out and out lies.
  
  If you really want to know what action will be taken, ask “what’s in it for wynston” and remember, even on this blog you cannot accurately describe our pm.
  
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