General Debate 14 April 2019

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Aliog

Good morning, Kiwibloggers – the sun is shining and it’s a glorious day!
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April 14, 2019 8:05am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The first comments were placed before dawn, but are only just clearing moderation now…
  
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  April 14, 2019 8:44am
  - Peter Lane
    
    Yes because we like to sleep sometimes…
    
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    April 14, 2019 8:47am
- ducklin71
  
  Good morning you got 4 down votes for saying “the sun is shining and it’s a beautiful day”- (and it is!) must be some grumpy buggers this morning!
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    Has the government changed overnight?
    
    There’s your answer.
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:24am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Moderation still in force bro.
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern the (Deleted by Mod) is still in office and until she and the rest of the useless ….. are gone you can expect “censorship” to be heavy on those on the right.
    
    If you do feel the need for a bit of free speech, let rip at Trump in a couple of posts on social media, that should get you a few likes then do a “brett” and post a couple of anti Simon Bridges posts on the standard and you’ll be hailed as a hero.
    
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    April 14, 2019 2:03pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQk23ViALh4
  
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  April 14, 2019 1:59pm
mark15

Morning.
I was the first customer at Napier Guncity yesterday.I bought a box of ammo I didn’t need.
Because it’s not illegal,yet.
MARK
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April 14, 2019 8:11am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I hope others supported the legitimate business too, the owner seems to have become a lightening rod for the snowflakes.
  
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  April 14, 2019 8:36am
  - mark15
    
    RM it was fairly busy but!
    Not a single anti-gun protester to be seen…
    Not a single one of the 600 people that petitioned ‘tell council no Gun City in Napier’
    or the petitioner
    or the councillors that received said petition
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      Too early…
      
      Too lazy….
      
      Not enough media there for them to pose with angry faces?
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:25am
    - ducklin71
      
      600 sheep who had i bet had NO problem with Gun City before 15th March. Trying to run a legitimate business owner out of town is disgusting.
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:28am
      - sooty
        
        The snowflakes only turn up after arangements made with the woke media!
        
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        April 14, 2019 10:52am
    - Harlequin
      
      Population of Napier is 50,000. Only 600 signed the petition.
      
      Do not despair, there is intelligent life in Hawkes Bay.
      
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      April 14, 2019 1:43pm
      - mark15
        
        It was a nationwide petition so even better
        
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        April 14, 2019 4:50pm
- Caleb
  
  Hopefully they stock these kits for AR15s https://youtu.be/6KbicZh5dXM
  
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  April 14, 2019 8:59am
  - mark15
    
    Caleb
    Not legal unless it’s a dedicated .22.
    Just like grandads 100 year old 15 shot tube mag bolt action .22
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:12am
    - Caleb
      
      So would a .22lr upper and barrel be ok?
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:18am
  - ducklin71
    
    I’ll take a half dozen please. Cheers for the link!
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:26am
    - Caleb
      
      I’ve looked through the legislation and can’t see that it’s clear these would not be ok or a complete 22lr upper.
      Though, they have left room to ban anything, any firearm type, part or ammunition, all without another law change, but by just specifying it.
      Looks like the NZ police now totally own the firearm policy.
      How long before firearm owners are forced to pay for a register, are banned from reloading etc.
      Remember, owning a gun is a privilege not a right, just like owning a car or consuming alcohol, maybe even posting on social media or voicing opinion.
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:54am
- sooty
  
  I hope that you got the opening special and got twice as much as you wanted!
  Now just to let them off. Bliss!
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:05am
  - mark15
    
    I think that ‘ar15’ is going to be a new unit of currency in gun shops.
    ‘How much was that 30/30 marlin?’
    ‘Half my ar15 and a magazine’
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:15am
    - RF
      
      Ah… memories.
      
      The trusty 30/30. Marlin. Poor mans John Wayne’s Winchester. Great bush rifle for deer & pigs.
      
      I had mine until I went to Aussie many moons ago.
      
      I had to dispose of it and some short barrel stuff as well. Broke my heart.
      
      Im all legal now.
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:32am
      - Swifty
        
        I had a Model 94 in 30.30, shooting 150 grains – great on pigs in most NZ conditions.
        
        Took a few dear too – but only in close.
        
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        April 14, 2019 10:09am
      - Swifty
        
        *deer.
        
        Oh, dear.
        
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        April 14, 2019 10:26am
      - Tall Man
        
        Oh dear oh deer oh dare.
        
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        April 14, 2019 2:05pm
      - softail 1450
        
        RF ,The marlin was a superior rifle,that is why you can still buy a brand new example in 2019 but can’t buy a winchester 94 , unfortunately this rifle will be ripped from your ownership because of its magazine capacity even though its design is 150 years old, NZ the way the maggot Peters wanted it.???
        
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        April 14, 2019 4:28pm
Rob2

And we will wait to sundown for anything to appear.
so sad especially on a day that tells us the Andrew Little is outraged and wants to take away more of our freedoms.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12221767

Of course that’s what they have already done.Isn’t it.
Removed DPF’s right to allow his blog to be run the way the users and customers would like.
Like all things there is a cost, one of them being loss off advertising revenue.

Now MM will belong to tell us that’s a good thing but for DPF and the blog it isn’t.

The shooter, Labour and the Police have won.
The bullies now have control.

https://ysb.co.nz/have-your-say-6/

[Mod: That comment didn’t age well 😉 ]
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April 14, 2019 8:19am
- Surely Knott
  
  Kiwiblog is still the best blog. The herald article is a shocker, featuring socialist aotearoa and unite union posters in the lead photo, and Peter Dunne calling for a public decency tribunal! What the heck does that involve? Sounds like some sort of crazy dystopian future. Would you just be brought in front of the tribunal for activities that offend the government of the day. In Victorian times that might be for homosexual acts, but today it’s for handing out pamphlets that question separatism, and offend by saying a culture was “stone-age” which portrays a group history inacurately – so if it doesn’t meet the criteria for hate speech, but you’d be bought to the decency tribunal?! It all sounds very subjective. but they still managed to fit into the article that Ardern received world acclaim for her empathy. Free speech is dying and journalism is dead.
  
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  April 14, 2019 8:44am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep and the article tells us nothing of the complainant , other than she suffers from white saviour syndrome ( but that actually tells a lot)
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:06am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Good question. The complainant is a “free lance journalist” according to her linkedin. So fellow journalist.
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:30am
      - kowtow
        
        Journalists interviewing journalists and that then becomes “news” , and the same pricks attack Trump for calling out fake news.
        
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        April 14, 2019 1:16pm
    - Komata
      
      Kt@0906
      
      But the ‘complainant’ has GOT HER NAME IN THE PAPER
      
      Her 15 minutes!
      
      SHE’S FAMOUS!
      
      (And will wave that ‘notoriorty ‘ everywhere she can, for the rest of her life!!)
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:36am
      - sooty
        
        Now everybody in the country knows she’s a woke snowflake and can snigger at her!
        
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        April 14, 2019 10:56am
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        Whether or not your take on the complainant’s motive is correct, I have no opinion, but, to her credit, she has replied to some specific points in the pamphlet (though possibly not the main point) with specific counter claims and got them publicised. This is free speech.
        
        To their great discredit, she, Dunne and Little seem unwilling to let the public decide for themselves on these matters. This is not free speech.
        
        Ps. I guess no one at the Herald has noticed the subject-verb agreement error in the headline; the decline continues.
        
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        April 14, 2019 1:34pm
  - John Warren
    
    It also quotes Andrew Little calling somebody an ignorant fool, which I find richly ironic.
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:22am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Socialism should be dead too. What’s Andrew on about: without free comment there can be no development. Society is not a set of programmed robots.
    
    The basic comments as reported about Maori/Pakeha are not too far out. Offense is in the mind of the activist–itself an offense. Peace comes through tolerance.
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:28am
    - John Warren
      
      All the modern scholarship that revisits and confirms the grand myth of the Noble pre-European Savage is absolutely shot through with confirmation bias. You can read the agenda in the faces of the scholars themselves, and the literature they produce violently bends very slender and unscientific evidence into their desired ethnological narrative.
      
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      April 14, 2019 11:12am
- Scott
  
  Andrew Little want speech he doesn’t agree with labeled as hate speech. In this case Don Brash and his push back against the politics of race which divides this country.
  The Australian rugby union wants to sack Israel Folau for what he wrote on social media.
  It’s a disturbing trend against free speech and in Folau’s case, freedom of religion.
  
  Thinking more about Folau. His Instagram post about fornicators and adulterers and homosexuals was lifted straight out of the bible. To see it you have to follow Falau. If you are offended then you can unfollow Folau.
  
  So he quotes the Bible and he is likely to lose his job. That seems to be a direct attack on religious freedom. Can the homosexual lobby and Andrew Little please let us know what passages of the Bible they find acceptable? Also if we follow Falau or Like his comments are we liable for persecution too?
  
  There is a whole attack on freedom of speech which is very disturbing, whatever your faith and world view.
  
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  April 14, 2019 8:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    It wasn’t “his” post, he just forwarded it on.
    
    Not doubting his intellect but I seriously doubt he even read the whole post.
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:29am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Is pro-Islam and Maori superiority now the only tolerable thought?
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Gosh no…
      You’re allowed to express pro- Climate armageddon views, anti-Trump beliefs, and Sinophobia.
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:49am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        What’s left for me to talk about?
        I respect the ancient Chinese civilisation: it has worked over 30 centuries.
        I’m still waiting to be frozen from the 70’s climate scare. The Hadcrut emails were very revealing of the dishonesty prevailing behind the climate change agenda.
        Meanwhile Hilary & ors are being lined up like ducks for prosecution in the USA–they didn’t take the hint and olive branch Trump offered on his election.
        Polynesian IQ relative to the Pakeha mean IQ–is 1 std deviation significant?
        
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        April 14, 2019 1:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I wouldn’t trust any academic who twaddles on about IQ.
        
        All I know is that when the chips are down, I won’t be checking if folks have a high IQ or belong to this race or that race, I’ll be wanting to know whether they can sharpen a chainsaw, cast a rod, and butcher a beast.
        
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        April 14, 2019 1:55pm
      - John Warren
        
        “When the chips are down”: that’ll be your code for looking to get married, Maggie?
        
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        April 14, 2019 4:11pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Potential Hubbies #2, 3, & 4…. or even Wife #1, (don’t think I could cope with more) are welcome to send details of their bank balances to:
        Maggles
        C/- Bag Lady,
        Kaiti Mall
        Turanganui-a-Kiwa
        
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        April 14, 2019 5:14pm
      - nasska
        
        …..” I’ll be wanting to know whether they can sharpen a chainsaw, cast a rod, and butcher a beast”….
        
        IOW your ideal man is a cockie.
        
        Good thinking! 🙂
        
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        April 14, 2019 5:48pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I don’t think he will lose his job, I was reading things about collective agreements for one, where his was different, which was arguable, or they can pay him out, then another team can pick him up. not if the are ‘woke’ of course.
    
    Good for him, he is good enough at his job to take a stand, isn’t that what Sonny Bill gets lauded for?
    
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    April 14, 2019 1:08pm
- freethinker
  
  I can’t see anything racist or offensive in the pamphlet, the opposite in fact as if Maori claim special privileges based on being part Maori or of a tribe that arrived here first(perhaps) or because they conquered the natives is apartheid and opens up the door to similar claims from other racial groups .
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:14am
- ducklin71
  
  And now the Big Bad Guy is Facebook. JA and Mr. Little are going to learn the hard way who has the real power. If FB dropped out of the NZ market for one day, and businesses who advertise there lost millions, they would learn the hard way every action has an opposite and equal reaction.
  
  Stuff your emotional bullshit JA. Get on with important things like firing Twyford.
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:19am
  - Rob2
    
    Some, like ANZ and Air NZ already have lost their customers.
    I have no doubt that many other small businesses have as well.
    
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    April 14, 2019 5:47pm
- alien
  
  No such right has been removed, the owner is running the blog the way he wants to, and it is his blog, you don’t have a right to comment on it or decide how he runs it. You simply enjoy his permission to comment on it.
  
  If you think some of the comments people used to get away with were alright, then I’m sorry for you because before the shooting happen I came here and was disgusted by some of the comments. One I remember were a few members attacking a labour troll, calling them a kiddy feeler, a child abuser. Disgusting behaviour should never be tolerated
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    I am a fairly recent member of this blog. I think you may be newer than I.
    
    I saw some of the comments that the “kiddy feeler” had made and to be fair, he needed a brain rearrangement and those responses were harsh but possibly quite accurate based on the posts.
    
    I am a fairly robust fellow and because I neither know the bulk of these posters nor really give a stuff about what they think of me can absorb a fair amount of shit and….can redeliver a fair amount as well.
    
    I for one was accepting of the to and fro and even the rabid insults directed at our politicians.
    
    I think you need to go back to atime well before March 15 and rethink your stance.
    
    Harden up I would say.
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:35am
    - alien
      
      I don’t mind the to and fro, but some of the people who are now no longer posting took things too far. The blog is far better place without that rubbish
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:44am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        So you are a replacement Labour troll then?
        
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        April 14, 2019 1:12pm
  - Komata
    
    Alien@0924
    
    So you are a moderator then?
    
    (Just asking),
    
    (0943)
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:42am
    - alien
      
      Nope, done my time admining and moderating forums years ago, never again want that sort of headache
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:50am
      - Komata
        
        Alien@0950
        
        Thank you.
        
        (10.26)
        
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        April 14, 2019 10:26am
      - sooty
        
        What about ztev or one of them trolls by another name?
        
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        April 14, 2019 10:59am
  - ducklin71
    
    Lampooning politicians is free speech, and can have a lot of influence over public opinion. The way it should be. Fire away!
    
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    April 14, 2019 10:52am
  - Lizziep
    
    I don’t recall this blog being forced upon us. Start your own blog if you find some of the postings on this blog so abhorrent. Why are you still here? You could have chosen never to return alien as can we all if its not to our liking
    
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    April 14, 2019 11:42am
  - John Warren
    
    That’ll be the bestial practices of the late Stephieboy you are referring to, I think. I observed those tet-a-tets for a long time before I ever started commenting here, and I recall that Stephieboy was a loathsome individual whose solitary pleasure, and possibly occupation, seemed to consist of coming here to receive abuse. In pursuit of such flagellation he’d make as big a prick of himself as he could, and quickly be rewarded by the less tolerant correspondents. What I’m saying is, there was history and context to a lot of much of that stuff, and while I am not sad to see it gone, it never upset or bothered me. I grew up in old-school workplaces where being called “you old goat-fucker you” was a term of genuine endearment. People these days take everything far too seriously.
    
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    April 14, 2019 4:26pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”People these days take everything far too seriously.”…..
      
      If you called anyone born in the past 30 years a ” goat-fucker you” twenty hug puppies would be crushed to death in the stampede for the designated “safe place”. 🙂
      
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      April 14, 2019 4:37pm
    - Rob2
      
      Well Stephie got 6 months in the can for his efforts.
      
      Should have happened sooner but DPF is a very tolerant gentleman.
      
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      April 14, 2019 5:51pm
      - Cobolt24
        
        Rob, according to the comments policy page Stephie only got 2 months since it’s his 6th strike. He’ll be back sometime this week.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
        
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        April 14, 2019 6:21pm
  - Rob2
    
    Go way troll.
    
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    April 14, 2019 5:48pm
- Justitia
  
  I’m glad you raised Andrew Little’s reported comments on the pamphlet. I find them alarming. If anyone feels the pamphlet is inciting race hatred they are free to lay a complaint under the Human Rights Act 1993, section 61 relating to racial disharmony. Is Andrew Little now the infallible authority on the “correct” view of New Zealand history? The CoL are revealing themselves to be petty totalitarians. Remember Orwell: “They who control the present control the past. They who control the past control the future”. Be warned.
  
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  April 14, 2019 11:58am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Even more serious is Andrew Little is Minister of Justice.
    
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    April 14, 2019 1:12pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Shouldn’t Andrew be going into Pike? Be winter soon.
    
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    April 14, 2019 1:13pm
    - Paulus
      
      Waiting for Peters to get his kit on as they both said they would be first into the mine (drift only actually).
      
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      April 14, 2019 1:27pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Justitia
    Indeed. “Incitement” of act X is just an excuse to abridge free speech rights. Incitement (by mere words) is a ridiculous concept. The ACTOR is solely responsible for their actions, not comment(s) made by someone or other online, for example.
    It is analogous to the removal of the defence of provocation (re: the Sophie Elliot murder). She could not and should not have been to blame for her killer’s acts, and nor should a poster be responsible for someone who claims they did X based upon those comments. The link is far too tenuous.
    
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    April 14, 2019 5:07pm
- infused
  
  Well I’ve stopped commenting here because of it. Already seen the comments here drop massively.
  
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  April 14, 2019 12:22pm
Drone

This blog ran the risk of replacing Whaleoil as a place the maladjusted could vent vitriol. What it needs is to focus more on the now and future and to recognise that Jacinderella is now possibly NZs first real Instagram star, in company with the Kardashians, and so many Internet influencers (remember the Fyre festival team). Prepare yourself for the inevitable long road to freedom because hope is not coming to displace Labour.
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April 14, 2019 8:27am
- Tall Man
  
  Downticked for pessimism.
  
  What a wonderful recommendation for a pm, “instagram star”.
  
  What a truly sad world we currently have.
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:37am
burt

Perhaps next years Labour youth camp could be a realty TV event where the youth are given the pictures of all registered child sex offender and they vote for who will lead the drinking games.
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April 14, 2019 8:39am
- freethinker
  
  Bur what about last years Labour sex camp case and its day in court, I smell the odious stink of coverup.
  
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  April 14, 2019 12:11pm
  - namron
    
    I have emailed a few MPs [including my own] about the result of the Labour youth camp sex arrests, but don’t even get a reply.
    The only conclusion that can be drawn is that there is a cover-up – which certainly says something very negative about the honesty of the Labour party.
    [3.53]
    
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    April 14, 2019 3:52pm
  - Rob2
    
    And what about this years one. Was there one and if so where?
    
    Gone all secret squirrel.
    
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    April 14, 2019 5:53pm
- MickMac
  
  <Burt
  betcha that Labour cover it up and don't inform the parents……
  
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  April 14, 2019 3:52pm
fernglas

I really don’t mind the fact that the moderation process takes away the instant gratification of seeing one’s pearls of wisdom appear almost as they are created. It makes it less like the pokies and more like lotto. It also seems to have elevated General Debate towards something resembling a true debate rather than a platform for playground abuse. Like all rights, free speech is subject to reasonable limitations. Ultimately I believe that free speech exercised responsibly is likely to allow future speech to become freer. Free speech exercised irresponsibly will cost us our freedom. Think carefully before you post, and let’s see how it evolves

[Mod: Well said]
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April 14, 2019 8:45am
- kowtow
  
  I don’t share your optimism re free speech. If you want to see into the future , look at the UK today . Very bleak .
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:09am
  - freethinker
    
    In more ways than you imagine. Bother Tories and Labour are internally divided and reading comments in Newspapers online there is a level of hatred of both I never saw 25 years ago when I lived there. The same divisiveness is apparent pan Europe and when the next recession arrives there will be anger against any people perceived as not ethnically British and therefore becoming targets for any social or economic ills or crime. History of the 1930’s and Adolphs rise to power may be repeated hopefully not in the same way but clearly likely as the EU will almost certainly change after Mays elections and become much more right wing and anti Globalist.
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:24am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  And the moderator comment says it all.
  
  The position of moderator should be to moderate the comments to ensure the rules of the blog are being adhered to.
  
  If you, as the moderator, want to comment on any particular comment, write in the comment box and post it like everyone else.
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:29am
- Nukuleka
  
  I am wondering if it is the Moderators’ role to proactively place themselves between the poster and the blog as seems now to be the case here as it most decidedly is on WO. I’m not much interested in reading Moderators’ ra ra-ing comments in support of posts with which they approve or publicly waving the naughty stick at those with whom they are feeling a mite tetchy. I am not interested in whether they sleep or have other lives or anything much about them at all. Surely they should be anonymous and just do their job. Or else bugger off.
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:33am
  - Peter Lane
    
    Fair enough. But it’s rather annoying when we are doing this job for the love of it and people expect some sort of 24/7 service.
    
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    April 14, 2019 9:35am
    - fernglas
      
      Hear hear. Nulli illegitimi carborundum
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:43am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        asperiora esse constituat
        
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        April 14, 2019 9:48am
      - Nutta
        
        Carpe jugulum…
        
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        April 14, 2019 8:50pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Sic Transit Gloria Mundi.
        
        On Tuesday she felt better – but then threw up in the HiAce Wednesday morning.
        
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        April 15, 2019 4:28am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      You signed up for it!
      
      Tell me you were not told that this was the case at the interview stage? For whatever reason, you took it on, to now complain about it!
      
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      April 14, 2019 9:45am
      - Peter Lane
        
        You don’t see me complaining about the job. More about people’s attitudes to it.
        
        Stop shooting the messenger.
        
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        April 14, 2019 9:59am
    - Komata
      
      PL@0935
      
      Umm, you may have a false perception about what a moderator’s job actually entails:
      
      By definition, a Moderator acts as a filter for comments that are posted on a discussion site (whether physical or electronic), and removes such comments that are likely to cause controversy, do not conform to the prevailing viewpoints held by the forum’s owner/s, or are of a nature likely to cause offence to the population at large.
      
      As such postings are not under any time constraint, and unless the ‘hours of moderation’ are specifically defined, posters on such sites (especially those that are electronic in nature) can indeed reasonably expect that the moderation process is one that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
      
      To do otherwise is to effectively neutralise the posting process and by definition, stifle the transmission of reasoned discourse.
      
      Thought you might like to know; You may be in the wrong job!
      
      (1004)
      
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      April 14, 2019 10:05am
      - Peter Lane
        
        I’m not sure how you can ‘reasonably expect’ anything.
        
        You are posting on someone else’s blog. You don’t pay anything for the privilege. Therefore you should have no expectations of a 24/7 service.
        
        Suggest if you don’t like the process you take it up with DPF. We are just trying to do our best here.
        
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        April 14, 2019 10:08am
      - calendar girl
        
        “You are posting on someone else’s blog.”
        
        Yes we are – and we’re doing so because we’ve been invited by DPF. Most of us (hopefully) know intuitively the obvious limits that we should observe. We also understand the reasons for DPF introducing active moderation in the wake of the Christchurch terrorism attack. What I didn’t expect though, was that moderators – other than DPF himself on his own blog – would become part of an ongoing ‘conversation’ on the moderation process. I had assumed that the role of volunteer moderators would be to excise (parts of) any KB comments that could leave DPF – as the blog’s publisher – open to charges (for example) of defamation or supporting the terrorist’s actions and / or motives.
        
        I’m all for DPF’s move on moderation in the prevailing circumstances, and good on all you volunteer moderators for offering your help and and precious unpaid time. But perhaps the intended role of a moderator can be performed better with the knife than with the pen.
        
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        April 14, 2019 12:49pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lS3I19X5YA
      
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      April 14, 2019 10:07am
    - MickMac
      
      Peter
      I commiserate but please stop moaning, you put your hand up.
      its a blog get on with it.
      
      In case you didn’t know we don’t come here to listen to you bleat.
      We come for the commentary and the discussion in real time. 😉
      
      That is what this blog was all about.
      
      oh and if you have a comment on something said.
      write your own after ours please. 🙂
      
      All you do by putting it inline/in addition to what we wrote, is reinforce you’re the stasi by your commenting within our comment…..
      
      and not in your own name separately….
      
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      April 14, 2019 3:39pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      That depends how may people have been approved? There seem to be two that I can note. Other than mods I guess.
      Bloody chore if everyone else is moderated out of how many commentors.
      Perfectly understandable if heretofore reasonable people take it personally that they are not worthy.
      
      Speaking for myself.
      
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      April 14, 2019 7:31pm
- Tall Man
  
  Yep, free speech as “measured” by others.
  
  Awesome.
  
  I for one will never accept that “free speech” must adhere to floating rules which are currently so heavily biased as to have become useless.
  
  Post an anti muslim rant…gone.
  
  Post an anti maori rant… gone
  
  Post an anti old white rich man rant…. Front page headlines.
  
  Yep, “free speech”…my arse.
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:40am
  - Sacha
    
    A lot of people who claim the right to ‘free speech’ seem to think that they have no obligation to evaluate their comments or to consider what the reader might think of them. They just want to be able to shout the odds regardless and more often come across as plain bigoted and nasty. They lower the quality of the discussion but they have used their ‘right’ to speak freely, so their egos are soothed.
    
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    April 14, 2019 10:04am
    - Tall Man
      
      Like the two non male members of the green party that curse and abuse at will.
      
      Where was the “great proponent” of “kindness” when these two started to nut off?
      
      Where was she when a snot nosed little prick assaulted an Australian mp yet she alsmost cried real tears when jimmy (Deleted by Mod) got a smack on the face?
      
      Time to face the facts people, the left with the willing complicity of the media will impose “restrictions” on your words, actions and asset ownership and even thoughts if they can if you do not loudly and regularly conform to their ideals.
      
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      April 14, 2019 2:16pm
      - nasska
        
        “Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.”
        
        ― George Orwell, 1984
        
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        April 14, 2019 3:57pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Definition of non male? Not having gonads? Do all males have gonads, in the broader sense of the word?
        
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        April 14, 2019 7:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No,,
        Males with testicular agenesis lack gonads.
        
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        April 14, 2019 8:05pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  fernglas
  I disagree. Free speech should be absolute, and is downstream of free thought. Anyone should be able to express any bonkers idea that comes into their head, and have it dissected, shredded and rebutted by good arguments. Too often, if not always, anti-free speech (and therefore anti-free thought) advocates have no good counter-argument for what is being said, therefore they bludgeon everyone into silence, using legislative measures. The ideas don’t go anywhere, but the really odious ones fester away and morph into monsters which manifest in undesirable ways.
  The same reasons we have seperation of church and state apply: if the State decides the ‘right’ ideas (or the ‘right’ religion), then the temptation is to grab the reigns of power and impose a particular set of thoughts (and restrict a different set of thoughts) on everyone else. Not giving the State this power is the only solution.
  
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  April 14, 2019 5:33pm
  - Rob2
    
    As it does in a Muslim country.
    
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    April 14, 2019 5:59pm
Lee C

The penny has finally dropped for HDPA:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12221755

“It makes you wonder at this Government’s gun reform motives. Do they actually want to get all the military-style semi-automatic weapons off the streets? Or are they more interested in just collecting enough guns to fill a skip while TV cameras film the Prime Minister smiling next to the Police Minister and saying “look how well we’ve done” and “New Zealand is a safer place”.

It’s just politics, that’s all. This is how it works. Game playing, PR exercises, half jobs.”
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April 14, 2019 8:53am
- kowtow
  
  Like how she got herself filmed receiving a .22 having forged a public document.
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:11am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I think we should now all petition for her prosecution – “if it could save just one innocent life, she deserves jail time for showing people the path to deceive the police to buy a gun.”
    
    Petard, hoist, assembly required.
    
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    April 15, 2019 4:32am
- brett68
  
  Next week she’ll write the complete opposite.
  She sucks as an opinion writer.
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:50am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    She runs with the hare and hunts with the hounds.
    
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    April 14, 2019 3:46pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Is that a bad thing? Isn’t that what we want balance? I find that better than the one eyed sycophancy that is otherwise on display.
      
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      April 14, 2019 7:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/2018690725/provincial-growth-fund-slush-fund-or-lifeline
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April 14, 2019 8:55am
calendar girl

Why would any news group, seeking a measure of respectability for its newspaper offerings, ever stoop to reprinting (from “NEXT” magazine of a month ago) this sycophantic profile of the PM Jacinda Ardern? https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/112017561/why-the-star-of-jacinda-ardern-just-keeps-getting-bigger-and-brighter

It is a rarity in my experience for our PM to be described as “fiercely intelligent”.
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April 14, 2019 9:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It saves having to employ someone to research another story or to write up some news.
  Just fill up space with repeat copy…
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:33am
- John Warren
  
  I could only read so far before the nausea overcame my resolve. This is not Ardern the humble and compassionate. This is Ardern the vain, patronising, and supremely self-serving. Ardern is anything but “fiercely intelligent”, and the evidence of that abounds, particularly in QT where she is frequently minced up and spat out. As for Obama-sensei’s wise, intensely profound and penetrating advice on parenting: it’s for the ages, man. Geezer should write a book on it.
  
  Barf, barf and triple barf.
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:36am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The fiercely intelligent Ardern who consistently displays high-school level ignorance; perpetuators/perpetrators, Clueless about GDP. Can only assume Journos are even thicker than her.
    
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    April 14, 2019 10:02am
    - John Warren
      
      Obama’s parenting advice proves in several ways that lefties are not among God’s smarter creations. If I had the incredible opportunity to ask, face-to-face, my greatest hero what he could tell me about raising children and all he could say was the astonishingly banal “do the best you can”, I’d feel my foundations knocked, and I’d be looking for a new hero. But the media keep recounting this little incident like it was Oba-Moses coming down from the mountain with fresh tablets. And Ardern is dumb enough to think she got something other than a dismissive brush-off from the great Lord Barack. That is our PM’s “fierce intelligence” for you. I bet she’s never read a book.
      
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      April 14, 2019 10:48am
      - sooty
        
        The media are busy pushing the pram of the baby with no face!
        
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        April 14, 2019 11:07am
    - freethinker
      
      Thickos of a feather flock together.
      
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      April 14, 2019 12:19pm
- ducklin71
  
  My cat hissed at her photo.
  
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  April 14, 2019 1:47pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Training an “attack cat”….
    
    You’ll have the SIS around soon…or Gareth,
    
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    April 14, 2019 2:18pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      SIS is scarely close to ISIS.
      
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      April 14, 2019 7:37pm
kevn

NZ seems to have been going down the ‘death-by-a-thousand-cuts’ road for the last 18 months.
Just a steady degrade for most NZer’s.
Costs up in all areas. Rental homes just evaporating.
Now we have this mad social situation.
Sorry NZ.
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April 14, 2019 9:21am
sooty

Shops are going to have their eftpos machines set up so you have to rate them 0 to 9, before you can pay for the goods.
Why would you do that to piss the customer off before you even get their money?
How many are going to dither around and hold up the queue even more?
Leave the goods sitting on the counter?
Rate the shop poorly?
Why would you even think it was a good idea?
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April 14, 2019 9:23am
- alien
  
  so You either have to rate them or push a button to avoid it. Will take a a second or two to do, but won’t give a very good view of the results as you won’t be able to give feedback on why you scored them that. Shops should follow mitre 10, Noel leeming, etc where you can give your feedback and rate the shop if you want to
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:58am
- Fletch
  
  I went to a restaurant recently, and they had the EFTPOS set up so that you had to decide whether to enter a tip before you even got to paying. It said something like “Add tip? (Y/N)”. A bad idea, if you ask me.
  
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  April 14, 2019 10:26am
  - septic skeptic
    
    We are headed for a $20/hr minimum wage, and restaurants are trying to get us to go the American way way the customers pay the waiters wages directly.
    NEVER tip in NZ. We just don’t need this.
    
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    April 14, 2019 11:38am
    - MickMac
      
      we tip 5-10% depending on service, always have.
      
      Now the French used to leave 1 centime if service is poor
      
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      April 14, 2019 3:44pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I use a computer package that often sends me a survey: “on a scale of 0-10 how likely are you to recommend this package to others.
  Since it is a dog, I have rated it 0-not at all likely.
  Their response is to call me to ask why. I give them feedback, nothing changes.
  I now rate them 10/10 so I don’t waste any more time on them.
  
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  April 14, 2019 11:01am
MickMac

It’s a pity there isn’t a Barf button available..
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April 14, 2019 9:30am
lastmanstanding

History has shown that the Political Elites use Hate Speech laws as weapons against their opponents and their opponents supporters.

Those advocating for Hate Speech laws should be careful what they wish for.

Rather and in particular the Left should be advocating for Free Speech For All rather than find themselves being hoist be their own petard.
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April 14, 2019 9:32am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Who is going to hoist them the media?
  
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  April 14, 2019 1:47pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Der Neue Sturmer might do so one day. Whiplash occurs in politics as in other spheres of human activity. I think we can all nominate a few COL appointments and / or fact-mangling journolistas who would channel their inner Julius Streicher quite marvellously.
    
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    April 15, 2019 4:35am
cmm

CGT is a tax on inflation.

Minimum wage does not generate any value and therefore directly drives up inflation.

Join the dots.
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April 14, 2019 9:36am
- MCos
  
  You could say that tax on interest on your money in the bank is tax on inflation or anything that is taxed, up to the rate of inflation, for that matter.
  
  Are you suggesting there should be no mandated minimum wage?
  
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  April 14, 2019 9:53am
  - burt
    
    Tax on interest is a tax on inflation. Minimum wage is good in concept but when you pair it with in work welfare all it achieves is tax payers subsidise employers.
    
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    April 14, 2019 10:02am
  - burt
    
    To explain. If my current job pays me $200/week less than I need to live on and the tax payers top me up $200/week neither I nor the next minimum wage worker will turn down the minimum wage job.
    
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    April 14, 2019 10:09am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes,MCos, the minimum wage should be abolished – that’s if we’re serious about getting NZers into work.
    
    Me: ‘Hey, I’ve got work for the young bloke up the road; the one that’s on the dole, the one who has never worked since school, the one who sits at home playing computer games all day and does nothing to help his Mum around the house. But I can only afford to pay him $10 bucks an hour this year. But, if he pulls finger, I should be able to raise that to $15 an hour next year – and in line with the skills he will have learnt by then. Oh, and his Mum is begging me to get him out working.’
    
    Government and unions: ‘If you employ this person and pay him any less than $17.70, plus extras, you will be committing a criminal act and we will haul you before the courts and splash your name across all the papers as a bad egg.’
    
    Me: ‘Oh well, that’s that then.’
    
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    April 14, 2019 10:24am
    - Ian Boag
      
      The idea that a lift in the minimum wage will decrease employment opportunities seems pretty straightforward. The logic is obvious etc. Here is something weird though.
      
      https://qz.com/work/1415401/why-minimum-wage-research-is-full-of-conflicting-studies/
      
      It is not hard to find other reports along the same lines.
      
      Basically – real world experience does not support a connection between minimum wage and jobless levels. For example I understand the UK has been though some fairly significant rises in the last few years. There were the expected protests about expected job losses. The unemployment is still down around 4%.
      
      Go figure ….
      
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      April 14, 2019 10:48am
      - cmm
        
        Perhaps because “minimum wage research” is conducted by activists?
        
        Straight logic is pretty damning: Many people are just not worth the minimum wage, but could be worth much more if they sorted their shit out.
        
        Whenever you pay more for something than it is worth either:
        * You find a way to do without it (ie. automation and online sales etc which are killing low-end jobs)
        * You have to put up prices to compensate.
        
        When prices go up and the value stays the same, that’s inflation.
        
        So now there’s inflation and the minimum wage has to be pushed up again… and so on and so on.
        
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        April 14, 2019 7:36pm
  - cmm
    
    “You could say that tax on interest on your money in the bank is tax on inflation or anything that is taxed, up to the rate of inflation, for that matter.”
    
    Correct. Taking a third off the iterest on many low yield accounts drives the returns below the inflation rate. THis is disgusting.
    
    “Are you suggesting there should be no mandated minimum wage?”
    
    Yup. Minimum wage destroys business and destroys incentive to improve. Waiting for the minimum wage to go up is not a career path.
    
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    April 14, 2019 12:37pm
Fletch

Trump trolling level: Advanced 😆

Trump posts on Twitter that since liberals won’t let him build his wall that all illegal migrants should be bused to so-called sanctuary cities and let them take care of them.

Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only….

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 12, 2019

….The Radical Left always seems to have an Open Borders, Open Arms policy – so this should make them very happy!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 12, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPb1uUmjB4c

LOL, of course it caused an uproar among the Dems and the liberal media. Not sure why, he’s only giving them what they want.

Actually, he should make it so that blue states can enact the stupid laws they want – the green new deal, tax rates of 90% for the rich, open borders, free education, medicare for all. Let’s see how long those states last. They’d end up being rubbish tips, like Detroit.
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April 14, 2019 9:49am
- MCos
  
  In light of your comment I checked the Democrat policy on the items you mention.
  Access to higher education, which is not quite the same as free.
  No mention in their policy of ‘open borders’.
  Medicare for all is being pushed by a number of law makers.
  Green New Deal has limited support
  Nobody is talking about a 90% tax – it’s 70%
  
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  April 14, 2019 10:21am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Just think about a 70% tax rate in work terms that is 28 hours of your 40 working for the government, who the hell;
    a) Would do that
    b) Think the government has the moral right to that much of anyone’s labour?
    This is where socialism falls off the cliff when it meets reality.
    
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    April 14, 2019 10:56am
    - MCos
      
      Considering it’s the marginal tax rate on declared income over $10,000,000 I don’t think it’ll effect an awful lot of people.
      In that respect it’s pretty much meaningless.
      
      Steve Adams salary is $22mil, so he’ll he particularly hard done by.
      
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      April 14, 2019 12:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Glad you’re so pleased for him….
        
        I wonder how he feels about that.
        
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        April 14, 2019 3:58pm
  - Inandout
    
    MCos, if you bother to swerve away from CNN et al you will find what Dems have been saying. My God, they are dancing on the head of a pin and making themselves look absolutely ridiculous. NIMBYs all the way with those idiots.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8XJPwmX3jo
    
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    April 14, 2019 10:59am
    - MCos
      
      Don’t watch CNN or Fox, for that matter.
      Those American cable ‘news’ channels just seem to be spin when they’re not reporting stuff like natural disasters and accidents.
      
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      April 14, 2019 12:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Same as here then?
        
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        April 14, 2019 3:57pm
  - Tall Man
    
    70%..awesome, where do I sign up?
    
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    April 14, 2019 3:57pm
- ducklin71
  
  So sad what is happening in my native USA. I’d pay good $$ to watch Trump carry it through. Already too late for where i grew up. People there don’t even speak English anymore.
  
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  April 14, 2019 11:08am
- Rob2
  
  Detroit is certainly not in the tip as you suggest.
  going like a train when I was there in October last year. safer to walk the streets than Auckland. Populace happy with plenty of work. Most of the slums been gone a while.
  
  you need to get out more. 😆
  
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  April 14, 2019 6:11pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    People – please be careful before taking the advice posted by Rob2. Detroit is not all of it like Upper Hutt. Some parts of Detroit are downright lethal if you’re the other pigmentation & there at the wrong time. If ya don’t believe me, no worries: evolution in action. Or Google areas like Mack, Bewick… or what happened Feb 27 & Feb 28 2012…
    
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    April 15, 2019 4:41am
Maggie Pie

I found this to be life changing! Last night we went for dinner at a friends place. She made the most wondwerful lemon fruit cake to have with our coffee. But the ICING – now that was to dye for. Instead of adding the usual 200gms of softened butter and having to creme everything togethet, try this for taste and simplicity:

into a bowl put 1 tbsp lite olive oil, 3 tbsp lemon juice, 2 cups icing sugar, a tiny pinch of salt, and the grated rind of a lemon. WHISK together and hay presto – the best icing ever. Slather it over the cake with your spatula (you can add a little more icing sugar or lemon juice depending how runny you like it). Ive got one in the oven as we speak
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April 14, 2019 10:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I would like to know whether you are one of the new-age plantarians trying to destroy our Dairy industry.
  
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  April 14, 2019 10:19am
  - namron
    
    I would like to know if you failed primary school!
    friends – friend’s
    wondwerful – wonderful
    ICING – icing
    dye – die
    crème – cream
    togethet – together
    slather – ?
    Ive – I’ve
    coffee. But – coffee, but
    
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    April 14, 2019 11:27am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      ‘I would like to know if you failed primary school’ !
      
      ! = ?
      
      Dick Head!
      
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      April 14, 2019 11:49am
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        1. Namron’s opening sentence is punctuated correctly, as it is a declaration, not a question.
        
        2. When quoting, it is common, especially in British English, to include the end punctuation inside the quotation marks if this makes sense in the overall sentence, as it does here, even more so since the end punctuation is disputed in this case.
        
        But, whatever, this is the free-wheeling internet.
        
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        April 14, 2019 2:01pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Irrespective Dave – grammer nazis are Dick Heads!
        
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        April 14, 2019 3:08pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      slather – ?
      
      Yes, a bit of a mystery word if you restrict yourself to the SOED.
      However, as a dialectal or a colloquial Americanism, I think it can slip through.
      
      Not that I would sanction open slather (a NZism) on colloquialism.
      
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      April 14, 2019 1:04pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Oh for goodness sake – lets just go with #3 of the dictionary definition:
        
        https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slather
        
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        April 14, 2019 1:26pm
    - Scooter
      
      Hay presto – hey presto
      
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      April 14, 2019 6:49pm
- nasska
  
  …..”1 tbsp lite olive oil”…..
  
  The icing would taste like creamed crap. Chainsaw lube would be preferable!
  
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  April 14, 2019 10:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You and my partner are obviously men of taste nasska, he suggested
    using Anti-Freeze 🙂
    
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    April 14, 2019 10:36am
  - Fletch
    
    I saw a cooking site the other day (yes, I don’t know why these sites come up in my feed!) which reckons the BEST way to improve a boxed cake is to substitute real butter instead of the oil they tell you to put in. We tried on one here the other day, and it does seem to make it much softer and moist.
    
    https://www.southernliving.com/desserts/cakes/how-to-make-box-cake-better
    
    And yes, I know it is lazy to be buying boxed cakes….lol
    
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    April 14, 2019 10:43am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Gawd yes – i always use butter in those boxed cake mixes, gives a lovely soft crumb. If your not already usuing them Fletch, try the ‘Bakels’ brand, they run rings around the others (imo) 🙂
      
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      April 14, 2019 11:11am
- Fletch
  
  re: Lemon, I saw this cool trick they other day to easily extract juice from a lemon without having to cut it in half etc.
  
  https://youtu.be/fOoDEZd4a4A?t=82
  
  If you try it, let us know how it goes!
  
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  April 14, 2019 10:38am
- waikatogirl
  
  Thanks Maggie Pie. Great for us with dairy intolerant guts. I love butter but too much of a good thing. ?
  
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  April 14, 2019 1:14pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And the other great thing about it WG is that it will keep for days in a cake tin without going hard.
    
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    April 14, 2019 1:30pm
- Rob2
  
  what is icing sugar made of?
  
  Finely ground sugar.
  Oh dear.
  
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  April 14, 2019 6:12pm
  - nasska
    
    And cornflour. That’s what will make the mess congeal.
    
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    April 14, 2019 6:58pm
Ross12

Why aren’t the Greens in Wellington helping out the Regional Council with it’s bus issues? The Greens prattle on about public transport, they probably have some of their strongest support in central Wgt. and want to take action on climate change
Public transport has got so good in Wgt it leads to this (/sarc)
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/387029/unreliable-welington-buses-lead-residents-to-charter-their-own
Maybe it is because it is easier to send off tweets and be activists than “rolling your sleeves up” to do some real work.
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April 14, 2019 10:18am
alien

Perhaps the housing crisis is over. 400 affordable houses, billionaire dollar development declined special status.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111914383/complex-multibillion-dollar-waikato-housing-development-declined-special-status
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April 14, 2019 10:39am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The rental crisis is over too.
  Place near me for rent in a very in-demand area. Not immaculate but it’s a renter and quite tidy. Asking price seems reasonable and has been reduced since listing. Empty now for five weeks.
  
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  April 14, 2019 11:05am
The King

German parents fined for not sending their son to a school mosque trip..

You dont want Hitlers, this is how you make Hitlers..

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/04/13/german-parents-fined-for-not-sending-son-on-mosque-trip/
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April 14, 2019 10:50am
- Southern Raider
  
  Would be interesting to know what the left wing reaction would be to a school organising a visit to a church
  
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  April 14, 2019 11:43am
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    Don’t they have the right of reply?
    
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    April 14, 2019 12:23pm
- ducklin71
  
  They asked for it. Good bye Europe as it was. Welcome 3rd world parasites.
  
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  April 14, 2019 1:53pm
Hugh Pavletich

IRELAND … Dublin house prices more than nine times the average salary … The Irish Times

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/dublin-house-prices-more-than-nine-times-the-average-salary-1.3858878

Dublin’s housing market may have reached “peak affordability” with prices now more than nine times the average salary, a level not seen since the height of the boom.

An analysis of the latest house price data from the Central Statistics Office shows the median price paid for a house in the capital was €370,000 in February. This was 9.3 times the average annual earnings (€39,753) for the same period. In Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown, the most expensive area in the State, the median price (€541, 667) paid for a house was nearly 14 times average earnings.

The price-income multiple is a standard measure of affordability worldwide. In the past an “affordable” home was considered to be three to four times a person’s income. The Central Bank’s mortgage restrictions, which limit people to borrowing 3½ times their income, reflect this measure of affordability. The rapid rise in house prices in recent decades has, however, decoupled this relationship, with buyers requiring many multiples of income to get on the property ladder. … read more via hyperlink above …
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2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
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April 14, 2019 10:51am
The King

Are the media going to cover the black muslim from Ilhan Omars district who threw the little white kid to his death over a balcony in mall of America or is this not a cool narrative? Imagine if a White man threw a black kid over a balcony…

https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery/status/1117121799337193472
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April 14, 2019 11:25am
- alien
  
  Ummm, they Already have.
  
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  April 14, 2019 11:40am
  - fernglas
    
    I saw it on t’telly, in t’Herald and now it is on t’Twitter. So what is this “media” thing that never seems to cover these really important stories?
    
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    April 14, 2019 11:58am
    - The King
      
      I’m looking for “Black Muslim Supremacist” on the herald but i cant find it send link.
      
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      April 14, 2019 12:23pm
      - alien
        
        The guy is mentally ill. I doubt you care about the child, just trying to take something tragic and twisting it to fit your agenda
        
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        April 14, 2019 1:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “The guy is mentally ill.”
        
        As was the man in Christchurch causing a disturbance at the mosque during the week.
        
        Didn’t stop you and others having an opinion on it.
        
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        April 14, 2019 4:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      There’s “covering” and then there’s “glossing over”.
      
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      April 14, 2019 4:21pm
  - The King
    
    “kid falls from balcony stranger arrested” lmfao.
    
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    April 14, 2019 12:33pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Omar will blame the Jews
  
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  April 14, 2019 11:55am
- cmm
  
  He wasn’t wearing a Trump shirt.
  
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  April 14, 2019 12:52pm
  - The King
    
    If you think there isn’t a social parallel of a white child being flung to his death by an immigrant at a place called Mall of America while the media downplays the seriousness then you’re not paying attention.
    
    Brenton Tarrant did what he did because of a little girl murdered, maybe this is it, the media want more Brenton Tarrants this is why they refuse to address this muslim immigrant on White crime.
    
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    April 14, 2019 12:59pm
sooty

The flow has disapeared from here.
I come back half a dozen times to check up to see if my posts have got out of moderation and by then I forgotten what I posted anyway!
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April 14, 2019 12:26pm
- stigie
  
  Yes, it can be very hard these days sooty..?
  
  Very hard !!~
  
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  April 14, 2019 1:02pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  This whole ongoing “period of moderation” is a great lesson for us at how quickly freedoms can be taken away from us in this modern day and age.
  The authorities were shocked at how video could be live-streamed without them having the chance to control it. They didn’t imagine it would happen, and have since moved to prevent it from occuring again.
  
  A lesson for us indeed.
  
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  April 14, 2019 3:48pm
- Tall Man
  
  Here ya go….
  
  “Chances are, you already know that turmeric is one of the most powerful anti-inflammatory spices out there. But it turns out it has even more super powers than you may realize. According to a new study, it can also give your memory and mood a boost.”
  
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  April 14, 2019 4:16pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Evidence please, not puffery.
    
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    April 14, 2019 4:42pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    A spice causes tumescence? Who’d have thunk. I blame random word-association.
    
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    April 15, 2019 4:43am
Piniwi

Stuff are always good for a laugh in the mornings. The click bait on their app says ” National struggle for eggs”. The natural reaction is that it is the result of the COL needing to wear so much yoke on their faces. While it might help their inclusiveness it has no beautification qualities nor does lipstick on a pig. However a click reveals the headline as :
“Nationwide egg shortage could hit shell-shocked Kiwis in the back pocket”
It also highlights more of the disconnect between the mobile versions and the other platforms where “news” is offered. It seems that Stuff are leading the pack as the extend PR team for the PM. Apart from a copy of an old puff Stuff are always good for a laugh in the mornings. The click bait on their app says ” National struggle for eggs”. The natural reaction is that it is the result of the COL needing to wear so much yoke on their faces. Whie it might help their inclusiveness it has no beutification qualities nore does lispick on a pig. However a click reveals the headline as :
“Nationwide egg shortage could hit shell-shocked Kiwis in the back pocket”
It also highlights more of the disconnect between the mobile versions and the other platforms where “news” is offered. It seems that Stuff are leading the pack as the extend PR team for the PM. Appart from a copy of an old puff piece they now tell us: “PM launches accord to repair broken building sector”. Will this be like the common shop policy that “if you break – you buy it”? piece they now tell us: “PM launches accord to repair broken building sector”. Will this be like the common shop policy that “if you break – you buy it”?
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April 14, 2019 12:35pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  They never mentions the ‘moult’ in that article about chickens and eggs. None of my chickens are laying.
  
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  April 14, 2019 3:12pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112025068/prime-minister-launches-accord-to-repair-broken-building-sector

So the woman previously known at PriNZess has a plan to fix the building sector.

I have a better one. Just fuck off and leave it alone.

Everything you and your polsci student mates touch turns to shit.

Stick to what you understand: hugs and selfies.
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April 14, 2019 12:40pm
- stigie
  
  The snowflakes don’t want to hear that cmm, they will be offended and call it hate speech and will want it banned..? /sarc
  
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  April 14, 2019 1:08pm
- calendar girl
  
  The “stuff” story linked to cmm’s comment above is well worth a read. It’s full of ‘feelz’-type PR language as Ardern and fellow-Ministers endeavour to craft a ‘good news’ story around a so-called ‘accord’ forged within the construction industry.
  
  My simple comprehension problem commences with use of the word “accord” itself, instead of a real or honest word that one would use normally to convey the intended meaning, e.g. a “plan“. It’s all downhill from there. One of my favourite extracts is:
  
  “It commits those working in, and with, the industry to start treating each other differently, so we can replace the current adversarial culture with one based on respect, trust and shared responsibility.”
  
  To me, that sounds suspiciously like old-fashioned competition within the construction industry being ‘ameliorated’ or reduced in some fashion, with the PM’s fulsome encouragement.
  
  How will this “accord” impact on competition law contained within the Commerce Act? Will the Commerce Commission seek to enforce as law the Act’s actual competition clauses, or will those clauses now not be applied quite so stringently to competitors within New Zealand’s construction-sector ?
  
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  April 14, 2019 4:00pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    No more quotes priced below competitors–truly an even playing field of economic illiterates. So everyone gets a fair go the Cl will have to regulate input and output prices–that can be extended by industry as reviews are completed.
    
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    April 14, 2019 4:32pm
  - cmm
    
    Well it certainly is not a “plan” in the sense that normal management people would use.
    
    Nor does she have goals. Goals are realistic.
    
    All she really has are some sound bites and feelz. Nothing tangible.
    
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    April 14, 2019 6:35pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Business as usual then.
      
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      April 14, 2019 8:18pm
- Tall Man
  
  What a thicket of idiots…
  
  We can see the problem right there.
  
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  April 14, 2019 4:02pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Can they fix the roads?
  Can they fix city transport?
  Can they fix education?
  Can they fix the economy?
  Is their anything based on learning as a spinmistress and fishnchip shop assistant the PM cannot fix?
  Socialists are full of knowhow.
  
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  April 14, 2019 4:40pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    But they will go interfere in another sphere, bet they are rapt.
    
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    April 14, 2019 8:20pm
- Scooter
  
  Didn’t you mean “thugs and selfies”
  
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  April 14, 2019 7:22pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  A little nuanced 🙂 but OTOH enthusiastically stated. A+.
  
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  April 15, 2019 4:53am
ducklin71

PM in a hardhat with Twyford. Pathetic. Keep on losing, losers! Roll on next election.
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April 14, 2019 1:56pm
- sooty
  
  If Twford has anything to do with it, it will be a bad joke, just like Kiwifail!
  Should we be taking bets as to how long before the first one!
  Are they going to have a fancey website like Kiwi fail and Trees we are not planting!
  Must not forget Iain Lees Gallaway and Cindys best first friend! Is he some way connected to the media personality at present before the court?
  
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  April 14, 2019 4:09pm
V

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-we-have-a-problem-racism-row-entangles-knitters-20190410-p51ct3.html

Look at this total nonsense, racism in the ‘knitting’ community. No, you didn’t read that wrong.

This is confirmation that absolutely nobody is safe from rampant identity politics of the type pushed by the hard-left.
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April 14, 2019 3:52pm
- nasska
  
  It’s the raison d’etre of the Left.
  
  First find a problem that doesn’t exist then offer a solution.
  
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  April 14, 2019 4:13pm
  - stigie
    
    CGT comes to mind Nasska ole chap ?
    Just one of many im afraid !~
    
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    April 14, 2019 5:58pm
    - nasska
      
      We’ll end up with a CGT but the way I see it the base will be so ridden with exemptions that it will resemble a flounder net.
      
      When the teaching set & the ladies who do lunch realise that they’ll end up paying tax just like farmers the rot will set in!
      
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      April 14, 2019 6:16pm
- alien
  
  I would agree with Sukrita Mahon, there is racism there. However reading the article it seems pretty obvious where the racism is coming from and it’s not the knitting groups.. Demanding a statement denouncing racism then setting up a group to meet “away from the white gaze, without having to justify our existence at every step”. Certainly is racism there, just the person is unable to realise it is them
  
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  April 14, 2019 4:44pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  OMG I thought it was going to be about someone knitting a golliwog.
  
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  April 14, 2019 8:24pm
sooty

Just looking at my old home town rag, the taranaki daily news.
Some shelia is saying she should be elected to the local council this coming election, just because! Because she’s female, letz do this!
What’s been female got to do with it, what’s wrong with electing the best person, not feelz!
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April 14, 2019 4:15pm
- V
  
  It’s actually the paradox of the situation, in a whole variety of areas females will never have equality if they continue to have to make a spectacle of it by making ‘look at this female doing role x’ -type announcements.
  Reality is there are heaps of women in all sorts of roles, doing all sorts of good work, but they don’t actually need to do a Kath&Kim ‘look at me’ routine.
  
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  April 14, 2019 4:54pm
Maggie Pie

My partner has come across something we both find quite intriguing.
The Supreme Court allows registration of the brand name ‘FUCT’ – but wont allow ‘JOHNNY MIDDLEFINGER’. Its a strange old world we live in.
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April 14, 2019 4:26pm
softail 1450

190 comments,I guess we can wave goodbye to ever having anymore 500 comment days ,,,,Shit .
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April 14, 2019 4:35pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  As my partner sez Harley, “and who have we got to thank – some gun toting retard from across the ditch!!”
  
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  April 14, 2019 5:21pm
krazykiwi

Worried about NZ’s baby Marxist politicians? Spare a thought for our conservative brethren in the UK:

Jeremy Corbyn is on course to sweep into No 10 after Theresa May failed to deliver on her promise to take the UK out of the EU by March 29, a major polling analysis reveals.

The Conservatives would lose 59 seats in the event of a general election, making Labour the largest party in the Commons, according to an exclusive poll of polls for The Sunday Telegraph.
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April 14, 2019 5:12pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The Conservative Party has decided to tear itself into bits over Brexit. No surprise that even the Labour Part looks competent in comparison.
  
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  April 14, 2019 6:16pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Not quite. The ruling elites from both sides are seeking to put the ‘little people’ in their place, and to sabotage Brexit.
    
    As for competence, UK Labour might look competent alongside Chevez’esq governments. But not much else. The damage Corbyn and his far-left acolytes have promised for UK would make a hard Brexit look like a slightly damp picnic.
    
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    April 14, 2019 6:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

First fire of the year…
I’m still burning wood from trees my brother brought down when we moved here 5 years ago.

I’ve got about a 2 year supply of
lilly-pilly trunks Syzygium smithii to chop through.
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April 14, 2019 6:06pm
Rob2

Simon reckons that tomorrow is d day for the Capital Gains Tax decision.
https://sunlive.co.nz/news/205599-capital-gains-tax-response-will-bring-pain.html?fbclid=IwAR2Llhjngy8dW0TCv1xMCdWZEOLpsBw15ePrRzNMDe2ILj7BtfPcwn1cMB0

so we will see if Winston honours his promise of NO CGT.
Won’t we?
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April 14, 2019 6:22pm
- DigNap15
  
  Winston has no spoken out against the CGT which means he will back it.
  
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  April 14, 2019 10:15pm
Rob2

I note that another appalling ex National Cabinet Minister and another real Estate Agent National MP
have managed to mismanage another company.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12222181

No doubt there will be excuses.
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April 14, 2019 6:25pm
- secondcumming
  
  Interesting that one of their major clients is Huawei……it’s *only a matter of time* until all New Zealanders are tending rice paddies.
  
  I doubt we’ll see this doco screened here…..
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T_Lu1S0sII
  
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  April 14, 2019 6:56pm
RF

FFS why is Arderns boy friend sucking up to media again and getting his name in lights.

Is this to promote his dodgy fishing show or diverting potential adverse comments about his girlfriend.

This is a joke… right ?

A big turn off…….
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April 14, 2019 7:03pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Clarke cant believe his luck! He’s still reeling 🙂
  
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  April 14, 2019 7:34pm
- alien
  
  Just saw it on the herald, pretty disgusting.
  
  Wish they’d drop this first man rubbish, but looking at that photo perhaps nz first and last neanderthal is a better fit
  
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  April 14, 2019 7:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

If the facts are correct about Assange’s behaviour whilst in the Ecuadorian Embassy, then I suspect the chap is heading for a Psych hospital.

rarely showered, of his “many casual libels, sexist or anti-Semitic remarks”, and his failure to clean up after the cat he kept there…was rude to staff and, according to María Paula Romo, Ecuador’s Interior Minister “smeared faeces on the walls”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12222281
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April 14, 2019 7:33pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I was sooo pleased to see that his pussy was safe – his lawyers arranged to collect it from the embassy last October, when threats to revoke his Equadork citizenship started. My partner reckons all that other stuff about himis probaly just fake news to make him look a bit silly.
  
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  April 14, 2019 7:41pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Pussy Assange? Sounds very James Bond.
    
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    April 14, 2019 11:01pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I wonder who they’d get to play the part. Keen to put your hand up Rach? 🙂
      
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      April 15, 2019 7:13am
DigNap15

I wont be voting for Dancing With The Stars this weekend as the proceeds go to support some religion I don’t agree with.
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