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Nostradamus

Australians will vote on 18 May. So here’s a timely article focusing on Australia (and America): Socialism appeals to the young but many don’t know what it means.

The question asked:

New polling by the United States Studies Centre and YouGov reveals considerable confusion and ignorance about socialism in both Australia and the United States. We asked: “What is your understanding of the term socialism?” Respondents could provide any answer they liked, in their own words.

The survey results:

Twenty-eight per cent of Australians fell at the first hurdle, with “don’t know”, “unsure” or “no clue” responses. Another 13 per cent of Australians gave answers indicating they understand socialism as being sociable (eg “spending time with friends”, “talking with people”). Just 59 per cent offered a response that was even close to any conventional definition of socialism (greater equality, public control of the means of production, etc). Younger Australians are more likely to offer “don’t know” or the “being sociable” classes of responses. [the article notes that younger Australians are “more likely to support Labor — and especially the Greens — than older Australians”.]

People who think socialism is “spending time with friends” probably don’t realise that, when a politician promises you something, you’ll generally end up paying for it through taxes.
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April 13, 2019 8:04am
artemisia

The official Kiwibuild website has had a makeover.
And stopped reporting some numbers, and also no longer reports the ‘as at’ date.

It now reports (as of today):

10,356 – Contracted and committed to build
74 – Homes completed
64 – Homeowners (58 as at 11 March)

Interestingly, these are almost the same numbers reported as at 11 March. But missing are the previously reported numbers for –

267 – Building (under construction)
47,853 – Registered interest
301 – Eligible buyers

But it now has an aspirational new slogan, so all good then.

“Reigniting the dream of home ownership for New Zealanders”

Good luck measuring progress against that,

http://www.kiwibuild.govt.nz
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April 13, 2019 8:07am
- MickMac
  
  Labour are liars aren’t they?
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  April 13, 2019 12:26pm
- Ruawai
  
  Labour are getting rid of targets for emissions as well as Kiwibuild and DHBs.
  
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  April 13, 2019 1:56pm
- Rob2
  
  But but they are going to finish 300 by the end of June.
  It must be so.
  It was reported in the newspaper the other day.
  
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  April 13, 2019 6:45pm
Nukuleka

The MSM and assorted lefties will be very disappointed that the unpleasant chap who abused Muslims outside the Christchurch mosque was one Daniel Nicholas Tuapawa. He won’t fit into their narrative of NZ’s ubiquitous white supremacy, will he! How disappointing for the snowflakes who will no doubt be queuing up for counselling as I type.
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April 13, 2019 8:08am
- Nermal
  
  Poor MSM. Fingers poised over their keyboards, with function keys linked to the words “racist”, “white”, “alt-right”, “conservative”, “supremicist”, “islamophobic” when someone screams “Wait, he’s Maori”
  
  Dead silence
  
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  April 13, 2019 3:33pm
Yvette

Is it just as well that Israel Folau does not advocate burying homosexuals in the ground sufficient to render them totally mobile and throw stones at them until they are dead or Joe Biden, George Clooney, Elton John and Ellen DeGeneres would urge people to no longer support or play football.
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April 13, 2019 8:12am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Immobile?
  
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  April 13, 2019 1:48pm
  - Yvette
    
    Yes, Rachael, of course, thank you
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Men are buried up to the waist and are able to get out if they can.
    
    Women are buried up to their neck, but are still able to escape if they can………
    
    And people hate white supremacists…….
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:29pm
Scott

The Israel Folau debate continues with players and administrators and media pundits falling over themselves to pile on condemnation.

But here is the thing. He just posted something from the bible. He didn’t make it up himself, it’s what the Bible says about fornicators and drunkards and yes homosexuals.

So the questions are many. Is free speech now dead?
Is religious freedom now dead?
Is it now compulsory for all New Zealanders to heartily approve of homosexuality? Is dissent no longer allowed? Can we no longer speak our mind?

I would have thought that the principle of freedom is far more important than enforced conformity.

Prior to the passing of the homosexual marriage bill most NZers were against it. That’s why there was no referendum on the issue. It’s sponsor Kevin Hague knew it had the support only of a minority.

But homosexuality is being foisted on us in every area of life, even rugby players must conform. It’s an attack on our freedoms. Freedom of speech and freedom of conscience and freedom to hold to our deepest views.

Is this attack on our freedom really what we want?
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April 13, 2019 8:18am
- ex-golfer
  
  Israel Folau has no restriction on his freedom of speech. He can say, write, copy and paste whatever he wants.
  If, however, he has an employment contract that puts restrictions on how he uses social media (which is very common with professional sports-people) then he will reap what he decides to sow.
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:06pm
- gump
  
  Israel Folou is free to follow his religion and speak his mind.
  
  And his employer – the Australian Rugby Union – has been free to end his contract because his off-field antics have damaged their business and reputation.
  
  Can you explain why you regard Israel’s decision to torpedo his rugby career as an “attack on our freedom”? His freedom to act and speak have clearly not been curtailed.
  
  Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:25pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Will Folau be reborn as a minister for the church? Seems to be his calling.
    
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    April 13, 2019 1:12pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Should a work contract be able to stop an employee expressing their political, religious, cultural or sexual orientation or beliefs in social media on their own time in their private capacity. They even showed a video of Falau speaking at church does his employer also control this? Will this be a standard clause in all work contracts? Can any employer require this? And so since the culture wars are happening on line are those with a job are not allowed to express a belief. The political discourse will (and does) belong to the unemployed, students, retired, and those whose viewpoints align with the current approved thinking. The Falau takedown is a witchhunt and now includes anyone who even liked his post. Turn the other cheek. He’s welcome to say I’m going to burn in hell and I reserve the right to say that his religious beliefs are nonsense.
    
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    April 13, 2019 1:30pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      So he is up for grabs? Who will grab him. the exceptional sportsman that he is. Could be a bargain.
      
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      April 13, 2019 1:52pm
    - Nermal
      
      I suspect this fuss wouldn’t have happened if he was extolling gender inclusiveness. Selective morality on behalf of the liberals
      
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      April 13, 2019 3:37pm
    - gump
      
      Sports teams and sponsors have contracts to protect themselves against damage from sportsmen. And spouting divisive rhetoric is clearly damaging.
      
      It’s the same reason why he can’t tell the world that the products produced by the team sponsors are crap.
      
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      April 13, 2019 4:21pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Off field antics like this you mean…
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2019/04/israel-folau-once-poster-boy-for-gay-rugby-s-world-tournament.html
    
    As someone lucky enough to tick quite a few of Israel’s deadly sin list, I am not offended.
    
    I am offended that the media has chosen to focus on one minor part of the post he made and the head of qantas, an openly gay man, has made it his mission to extract public punishment for Folau yet qantas still happily fly to Brunei where they haave decided to execute gays. Is that a double standard or just a nasty little bastard picking a fight he can win.
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:35pm
    - srylands
      
      Qantas does not fly to Brunei.
      
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      April 13, 2019 2:50pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I stand corrected…
        
        This is accurate however..
        
        https://www.flyroyalbrunei.com/brunei/en/information/interline-partners/
        
        So will he be cutting off that partnership??
        
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        April 13, 2019 5:37pm
    - gump
      
      He was given warnings because of previous social media posts and ignored those warnings.
      
      That’s entirely on him.
      
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      April 13, 2019 4:23pm
- Scott
  
  Surely Knott has hit the nail on the head. Can an employment contract render null and void your freedom of speech, what you say on social media in your own time?
  
  It’s a wider issue than homosexuality. If you are a prominent sportsman should your views be muzzled because they are not pc?
  
  I would like to suggest freedom of speech is a big issue that affects everyone.
  
  Even Kiwiblog which used to be a magnificent vehicle for free speech is suffering because of “moderation”.
  
  We need to rediscover the importance of freedom of speech and fight for it.
  
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  April 13, 2019 1:57pm
  - gump
    
    I would expect that all professional sports contracts contain clauses that place restrictions on behaviour when athletes are off the field.
    
    Professional sport is a commercial business. Behaviour that divides and offends is bad for business, and bad for the sponsors.
    
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    April 13, 2019 4:14pm
sooty

So the CEO of Qantas is openly gay!
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April 13, 2019 8:19am
- alien
  
  So?
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:34am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Yes this is very old news.
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:38am
- mandk
  
  Yawn.
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:23am
- Tall Man
  
  Well he may be “private” about it.
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:24am
  - sooty
    
    Gay man tied up with in partnership with countries airlines that advicate living by allahs rules, including teaching gay men to fly!
    Oh the irony!
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And qantas fly to Brunei.
      
      Easy to pick on Folau…not so easy to have a crack the Sultan of Brunei so he’s a hypocrite and a sook.
      
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      April 13, 2019 2:37pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Not a fact, he is in Australia, but you could bet London to a brick he doesn’t book a double grunter with his soul mate in Cairo, Dubai, Brunei, Saudi, and I could go on.
  He is all about money and power.
  He turns a blind eye when money is involved.
  A decade ago, I had two Lesbians on a tour, they demanded a double in Cairo.
  The hotel manager refused on the grounds it would put his career and life in jeopardy, and mine for requesting it, they did not care, it was all about them.
  I was buggered and just wanted to finish the standoff.
  Gave up my double with wife for a twin and didn’t change rooming list.
  No even a thank you.
  There is a lot of selfishness involved in my experience, and total ignorance how parts of the world are.
  The Irish Gnome won’t be any different.
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:43am
  - simpleton1
    
    “multiculturalism, [genderism] really is: exceptionally selfish.
    What you want matters, regardless what the cost of it is to yourself and others.”
    
    “This ideology is totally disproven, [unproven] and highly dangerous to you as well as your surroundings. It may very well kill you.”
    
    Just tattoo that you are available. 🙂
    
    A belief by some “feel good tourists” that have been well educated at high schools and universities, in liberal western countries, travelling as if all the world is safe, like in the High Atlas mountains of Morocco, or night time in a big city.
    
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    April 13, 2019 10:54am
    - Tall Man
      
      And getting their execution posted on the internet with a special copy emailed to their families.
      
      Didn’t see the hijab out for that one…did anyone?
      
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      April 13, 2019 2:38pm
- Nukuleka
  
  C’mon downtickers! QANTAS is the major sponsor of the Wallabies. Its CEO Alan Joyce is openly gay, not an issue in itself, but when put in the context of QANTAS having stridently supported changes to Australia’s same sex marriage laws and now levering Rugby Australia to cut ties with Folau it takes on a significance of its own. Neither QANTAS not Rugby Australia comes out of this situation well. Folau has every right to express his opinion whether one agrees with it or not!
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:51am
- howitis
  
  Alan Joyce, the CEO of that awful airline Qantas, is as camp as a row of pink tents.
  https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/11/gay-qantas-ceo-cutest-10-year-old-letter/
  
  I don’t understand this Greg Ettridge saying ‘not a fact’
  A strange accumulation of words in which he tells us he was buggered !!
  Go figure.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Joyce_(executive)
  
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  April 13, 2019 11:01am
calendar girl

Today’s Saturday, and Kokila has set up the GD thread at 8.00am, over 25 minutes ago. But no comments yet, so everything’s in moderation?
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April 13, 2019 8:25am
- calendar girl
  
  I can see my comment of 8:25am above, despite it still being described still as ‘awaiting moderation’. (It was posted one-and a half hours ago.) Can others see it?
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:58am
fernglas

Israel Folau’s mistake was not telling gays they were going to hell, but also including thieves, fornicators and drunkards, which pretty much covers all of Australia
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April 13, 2019 8:30am
- alwyn
  
  “thieves, fornicators and drunkards”.
  All three categories?
  Well I can see why Our deputy Prime Minister is so unhappy.
  That is skewering Winston with a trident.
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Don’t mean to disagree with you but “what’s in it for wynston” is the pm as he runs the show, she’s just the frontline pr girl.
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:40pm
  - Maria
    
    The list also includes ‘revilers’ so there will be a lot of bloggers too.
    
    I like it that Israel Folau is not a relativist, so hand across the aisle to him.
    
    Sadly, such lists can make us think divine justice is arbitrary and so we clutch our pearls when we find ourselves on the list. How dare Israel Folau and his awful God say that! GK Chesteron said, when people grow old in the world they want mercy, but children, refreshingly, always want justice.
    
    The list of damnable sins needs some context. God is absolute perfect love and, logically, that means that no imperfection can be in God. Therefore, we simply cannot be within God’s holiness when we are not perfect; divine love symbolised by divine fire (Holy Spirit at Pentecost) is experienced by the imperfect as a punishing fire.
    
    Think of it this way, suddenly right this minute, you are to be a track athlete for the olympic games and the first event is tomorrow. Now likely that is a crazy idea and you know it. But strangely we think good people like ourselves, with our ‘mistakes’, would fit right into heaven and God’s holiness. Others tough it out and deny the idea of absolute perfection (God) to be a nonsense, and then, incoherently it seems, argue for justice, good government and fairness on blogs wanting the right side to win in life’s political gambles.
    
    So in light of all that, no doubt the list is way too short. In fact no one can not be on the list, for even the just man sins five times a day.
    
    So it’s Easter next week and its Christ who makes it possible for us to enter into divine love eternally. Because heaven is the hardest thing, like the crazy idea of finding yourself with a spot on the olympics, and the easiest thing, because Christ turned up for us and won on our behalf. I guess the simple word of thanks is a good start.
    
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    April 13, 2019 7:54pm
- MickMac
  
  and New Zealand and elsewhere….
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:29pm
Rodney Randall

Good morning fellow Kiwibloggers.

According to sources, I can confirm that squads of armed police (up to x4) are now investigating “Hate ™ Speech in Christchurch
I have heard that they arrive with ipads and red notebooks and stagger themselves along citizen’s driveways in an intimidating fashion.

It has been pointed out that some of these squads would appear to be in violation of their code of conduct, as they are roaming citizen’s property, entering side gates and walking around sections banging on windows.

According to the law they must leave immediately if there is no one home and leave a calling card.

Welcome to 1984.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDC2HBDQgQ

Germany’s Hate Speech Police Recruit Social Media to Their Cause – Voltaire’s Ghost

Where is this great country headed under Labour?
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April 13, 2019 8:31am
- Komata
  
  RR@0831
  
  Down old chap, ALWAYS down; it’s the socialist way…
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:39am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Are you familiar with the phrase ‘down the shitter’?
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:46am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I’ve mowed the lawns, come inside for a cup of tea, got Mr Tui in the back garden giving it his all; it is 11.43 and i am still on the naughty step
    
    Video killed the radio star . . .
    
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    April 13, 2019 11:46am
- rangitoto
  
  They are wasting their time. It’s well known that all the alt right supremacists hang out at the University of Auckland.
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:19am
- ducklin71
  
  One of a thousand good reasons for the UK to get the hell out of the EU, and for all of us to show two middle fingers to any Govt that tries to tell us what’s right from wrong.
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:20am
  - kowtow
    
    UK might get out of the EU , but the biggest problem in the UK is their own gubmint , not Brussels.
    
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    April 13, 2019 12:17pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  “According to sources”? “You have heard”? “It has been pointed out”?
  
  Is this sort of reportage supposed to be more credible when the Right does it?
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:27am
  - alien
    
    Make the writer sound like they work for stuff. But alas nothing new, police have been playing visits to people for offensive comments online and offline for a long time
    
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    April 13, 2019 12:28pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  A tour guide always made the comment when we drove past the KGB in Moscow,
  “In the basement of this building, you can clearly see the tundra of Siberia”.
  Are the police going to round them up and re-educate them all.
  “Where are you heading under your PM.”
  From one of the worlds showcase free societies, to a totalitarian leftist back water that residents will despise and never voted for it.
  Winston will go down in history as the man that allowed the censorship of New Zealand.
  Cindy will go onto the UN once she has finished stuffing NZ morally and financially, to change the world.
  The wish of the people, or just a totally stuffed political system, not sure.
  Weep for NZ, it has now been manipulated and changed for a fanatical minority.
  
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  April 13, 2019 11:19am
mark15

Guncity Napier opens at midday.I hope to see all you lafo’s there.
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April 13, 2019 8:43am
- sooty
  
  Yep, be able to buy guns on opening day special!
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:49am
Paulus Gnome

100% moderation or am I the chosen one to be left alive?
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April 13, 2019 8:50am
Maggie Pie

This is all so upsetting. On April 29th, and for the EIGHTH TIME THIS YEAR, our junior Doctors are going on strike again – and it will be for 5 DAYS!! It will be the longest strike our Doctors have ever been on 🙁 As my partner said this morning, if this govermint had any sense they would make Shane Jones the Health Minister.
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April 13, 2019 8:56am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Why do you worry? 49.6% people prefer Labour. That means they don’t care about junior Drs strike. Move on bro.
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:34am
  - Paulus
    
    I understand there was only 1,000 who took part in the effectively TV3 opinion poll shortly after the Christchurch massacre.
    Get this into perspective from a rabid left wing programme.
    Ask Tova Obrien !
    
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    April 13, 2019 1:16pm
- calendar girl
  
  Is that claim of “8th strike by junior doctors this year” credible, Maggie (without questioning your own veracity)? A few questions:
  1. Where can one find a detailed list of these strikes?
  2. How many patients have died as a result of these strikes? (Or is that an ‘improper’ question from someone outside the medical fraternity?)
  3. What action has been taken / is being taken by Ardern’s Government to fix this strike problem (without her Government giving in to excessive demands by militant junior doctors)?
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hiyaa CG. Yup, this will be the 8th time they’ve gone on strike this year although the previous strikes were only for 48 hours. Never the less the DHBS have remained unmoved. Yesterday the NZDRA sent out a statement saying – ‘unfortunately, any opportunity that the gap between the last strike and this one might have allowed the DHBS to rethink thier provocative bargaining has not been taken up’.
    This willbe the longest strike of doctors NZ has ever seen 🙁
    
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    April 13, 2019 12:16pm
- Tall Man
  
  “make Shane Jones the Health Minister”.
  
  You mean drive them all to Australia asap?
  
  Reflecting on another conversation during the week, a nurse friend said if any man thinks he’s got a wondrous willy….look at a baby’s head first. 😉
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:27am
- MickMac
  
  Maggie
  12:36
  They were going on strike and stopped it but that still put all the snr doctors, management and other specialities through the wringer to plan for it and contact patients.
  then they had to belay it all.
  and now it starts again.
  
  The reason isn’t the doctors but Deborah Powell the union leader.
  The same one who’s hubby and herself earns $1 million a year into their own company from the doctors union fees…….
  
  The worm is turning, in Auckland there is another group of Doctors who won’t have a bar of her…
  
  Plus the snr doctors are talking about how the specialist training period might need to go from 4 yrs to 6 to qualify.
  
  That’s so the doctors can actually get enough experience under their belt to be doctors.
  40hrs weeks on soft runs don’t qualify.
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Are KB’s moderators Public Servants?
They might be on deck in a couple of minutes.
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April 13, 2019 8:58am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I have just posted on the other thread an hour in moderation. DPF by his knee jerk reaction may have just killed off his blog.
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:03am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yes – feeling so frustrated.
    
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    April 13, 2019 9:35am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Yes, as of now, my 7:19am comment (James Shaw thread) and 8.04am (this thread) are still stuck in moderation.
    
    I respect DPF and his right to administer his blog as he wishes. I also appreciate that the blog moderators have lives outside Kiwiblog, so they can’t sit here all day clearing the comments queue.
    
    Nevertheless, I might gracefully withdraw from commenting here (maybe apart from the occasional comment) until it’s possible to have interactive discussions again, instead of posting the equivalent of penpal letters to each other. All the best folks.
    
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    April 13, 2019 9:44am
    - Rob2
      
      https://ysb.co.nz/new-users/#comment-1543
      
      Join for free unfetted right wing conversation from early morning to late at night.
      
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      April 13, 2019 6:56pm
- SGA
  
  Perhaps we could play a game where we try to guess the contents of the “queued” comments?
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:08am
- Andrei
  
  Well Maggy at least your comments are getting through – I have two in moderation both posted before your first of this morning asof 9:15
  
  Be interesting to see if this passes muster
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m special….
    
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    April 13, 2019 9:36am
    - Komata
      
      Maggie@0936
      
      Good morning Maggie.
      
      Yes, you ARE special, and this site is all the better for your presence.
      
      Thank you.
      
      (0942)
      
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      April 13, 2019 9:42am
    - Andrei
      
      You are Maggy – a real rose among the thorns
      
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      April 13, 2019 9:43am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      That makes two of us but I suspect my ‘special’ is a bit more problematic that yours . . . .
      
      Sayin’ for a friend.
      
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      April 13, 2019 9:48am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Again, the lawns are mowed etc., 11.49 and still in moderation
        
        I really am special
        
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        April 13, 2019 11:50am
    - Tall Man
      
      But not in a window licking way…..
      
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      April 13, 2019 10:28am
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    Andrie I must hold the record..7.21am on the Shaw thread, still waiting.
    
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    April 13, 2019 10:30am
- Scooter
  
  On strike along with the rest of the country?
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:10am
waikatogirl

Morning Maggy. Good chance to have a sleep in, a hearty breakfast or spend some time in the garden while GD is sooo slow. I’ve been over at ysb as they are up and running early.
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April 13, 2019 9:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s cold here today…about 13 deg outside with a southerly blowing…
  I could shove a wooly hat and jersey on and go out gardening, but I think I’ll cuddle cats instead.
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:41am
mic

It’s 9.15, where are all the comments? Moderation gone mad?
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April 13, 2019 9:18am
secondcumming

When I logged in at 8.09 am I was aware of some major *breaking news*
…… it’s too late now 😎
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April 13, 2019 9:33am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I think moderation will be changed soon. Not working as planned. Debate does not flow
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April 13, 2019 9:41am
- artemisia
  
  Suggest anyone with a strike is moderated, unless using their real name.
  
  My Kiwibuild comment posted 8.07 am still in moderation 9.54 am.
  
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  April 13, 2019 9:50am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Not so, I have never had a strike, been around for quite a while, real name, process followed as far as I am aware, still moderated.
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:01pm
    - artemisia
      
      I was meaning a suggestion for change. Not v clear, sorry!
      
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      April 13, 2019 2:36pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I agree. Better to have moderation for the first 20 comments by a user, then only retrospective bans or suspensions after that. That means people cannot create new accounts and post filth, but everyone with a track record of behaving themselves is unaffected.
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:13am
  - dave_c_
    
    Keeping things simple, is beyond many.
    
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    April 13, 2019 10:16am
- simpleton1
  
  The timing of some comments appearing, stuffs up the nesting system too.
  The “Recent Comment” can not cope either, as it other comments are slotted in between ones already read. Maybe too be helpful the “recent comments” could be increased to more than the current 15.
  
  Becoming too much of a hassle to read, and has become a disappointing blog to follow.
  
  I have tried to make it work, as in the past I have enjoyed following Kiwiblog and making the occasional comment, but the time of moderation is often too long, particularly if some facts on certain issues take so long to be passed.
  So in effect it has become censorious by the delay.
  
  I do give credit to DPF for allowing things through, however one can see NZ lynch mobs and threats as how media, can whistle up others in an avalanche of radio, twitter, paper quotes, that can affect business’s jobs of others, when they are in the open.
  
  Thanks DPF, as I am sure you are scratching your head, at the changes in NZ, and how to allow good communication, warts, rats and all to flow, so that people may think and learn, as different information sources, make people more knowledgeable and reasonable.
  
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  April 13, 2019 11:12am
- GazzaW
  
  25 comments by midday on GD says it all. Prior to moderation there would have been 25 comments by 0815. The spontaneity has just evaporated.
  
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  April 13, 2019 11:53am
Fletch

Well, looks like the Herald is actually going to do the paid model, at least for some content. A friend of mine’s folks got an email with the following –

We will soon be launching a paid Premium Content section on nzherald.co.nz. This will include content from the Herald, regional publications, and some leading global publishers. It will consist of investigative pieces, some columnists, opinion pieces and the best of our journalism. This is locked content that you will need to pay to read.

As part of your current print subscription, you are entitled to access this content without additional charge. Please note this hasn’t yet launched.
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April 13, 2019 9:52am
- brett68
  
  Anything remotely right wing will go behind the paywall, let’s be honest it’s mainly right wingers who would be willing to pay money for their news.
  
  Once this happens there will literally be no free news that isn’t woke left.
  
  The left wing take over of the media will be complete.
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:11pm
mikenmildagain

I offered to help out, but DPF believes he has sufficient moderators for now.
Perhaps wait a few weeks to see how things work out. It might lose a bit in the to and fro, but we might actually get more thoughtful and substantive exchanges of views.
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April 13, 2019 9:56am
- sooty
  
  I think you as a moderator would drive more people away from this site.
  Can I suggest that you go over to the standard and do some good there!
  
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  April 13, 2019 2:22pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I disagree Sooty. When mikenmild sets his mind to it, he’s actually a reasonable bloke. Having to sort the wheat from the chaff in terms of comments left in moderation might be just the tonic for him 😀
    
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    April 13, 2019 3:18pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Mikey
  I’d suggest you’ve had too many Strikes to be a Moderator
  Oh, am looking forward to your ‘substantive’ comments too
  Bwhahahahahahahaha
  
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  April 13, 2019 3:52pm
waikatogirl

https://ysb.co.nz/
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April 13, 2019 10:14am
- MickMac
  
  thanks WaikatoGirl
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:41pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: FINALLY … STARTING ON THE PATH OF RESTORING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY …

… A glimpse of the unnecessary destructive and disruptive flight to affordability … and the deepening public intolerance of urban governance / planning failure …essential viewing …

Otago and Southland experience booming property prices as Auckland’s dip … TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/otago-and-southland-experience-booming-property-prices-aucklands-dip?auto=6025456808001

Miserable end to summer for the housing market, especially in Auckland where March sales volumes were down 18% compared to March last year … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/99106/miserable-end-summer-housing-market-especially-auckland-where-march-sales-volumes

The housing market appears to have had a miserable end to summer with the number of sales in March slumping by 12.9% compared to March last year, according to the latest data from the Real Estate Institute of NZ. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… as new housing production lifts … allowing the more efficient new housing production industry to be restored (the United States, Canada and Australia maintained theirs all along) … and the grossly inefficient and costly cottage building industry to retreat …

New dwelling consents are particularly strong in Auckland led by growth in apartments … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/98879/new-dwelling-consents-are-particularly-strong-auckland-led-growth-apartments

The construction industry’s grumpiness may be the result of a forced shift in focus towards more affordable housing, says Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/99009/construction-industrys-grumpiness-may-be-result-forced-shift-focus-towards-more
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… The political direction is clear …

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

… extract …

… In our view there are three big challenges that have to be addressed:

1. A broken system for financing infrastructure

2. A planning system based on urban containment

3. The failure of governments until now, both local and central, to actively work with the private sector to enable urban growth and expansion.

… concluding …

… I talked about the land banking and speculative economy, and the pressure cooker that has given us some of the most obscenely expensive housing in the world.

These moves are designed to change that. …

… If we do these things we can truly flood the market with development opportunities. We can break the land banking economy, and drive down the cost of urban land.

We can achieve more competitive urban land markets. And industry that is more focused on development and building places of enduring value instead of land banking and speculation.

That is the pathway to more affordable housing, and a systemic fix of the crisis that has caused so much hardship, and sucked so much of our national wealth into residential property instead of the productive economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
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April 13, 2019 10:24am
ducklin71

Good morning all, yep i reckon I pushed it too far for the censor a few times!
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April 13, 2019 10:24am
Greg Ettridge

I was told I would not be moderated as I use my name, not only to KB but online as well.
Last two comments were moderated, one had the words white supremisist, it maybe handy if it is known what words trigger moderation.
Happy to be moderated but looks like it is going down the road of Australian Blogs, free speech is about to disappear before your eyes.
KB is in between a rock and a hard place, NZ is becoming the Russia or China of the south seas with free speech at an unstoppable speed. Where will the gulags and re-education centres be set up, Chathams a good place, they were completely cleansed many many years ago!
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April 13, 2019 10:26am
- Tall Man
  
  I’ll be a starter…weka pie and crayfish salad on a daily basis and I wouldn’t have ardern the (deleted by Mod) shoved into my face on a daily basis by all the media.
  
  Went to the supermarket and there was the media whore on the cover of a mag….I’m sure her eyes were moving as I wandered past…
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:30am
  - Sacha
    
    ‘foisted upon us’?
    C’mon Scott, how about just ignoring all the silly nonsense being spouted by the sundry ‘youth adjacent’ loudmouths who like to hear their views being all to readily repeated by the uncritical media.
    It’s not worth getting rarked up about.
    Truly.
    
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    April 13, 2019 12:11pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Oh, almost forgot.
      
      Let’s try this one:
      ー白人至上主義　
      ー白人至上主義者
      
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      April 13, 2019 2:07pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Sad to see your 10:30am comment ‘moderated’, Tall Man.
    
    Most of us KB regulars know that the expression deleted has been used by you dozens of times previously, without any editorial sanction, so why would it suddenly be eliminated now? Not to protect PM Ardern, I hope.
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:42pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Nah, it’s all good. I have to be honest and say that was me as well.
      
      I’m just having a little bit of fun at David’s and the mod’s expense.
      
      They know how I feel as do you guys and gals, I just feel it is really important to not lose sight of the fact that we do have one of the most dishonest governments that I have seen in my life time.
      
      The blatant arrogance and ignorance emanting from the “what’s in it for wynston” party as well as the total distain for the public at large by the two non male green mps, without sanction from either their leader or the pr girl I might add, plus the total disregard for electoral process has gotten me a tad grumpy.
      
      I do not know how our host can handle it, being a former inside man, wthout raining hell down on them. If I could do more I would.
      
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      April 13, 2019 5:46pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Let’s test it.
  
  – white supremisist
  – white supremasist
  – white supremacist
  
  To be more scientific, I should record the time in moderation of each of the 3 spellings and compare them.
  
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  April 13, 2019 2:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Black balls
    Black balls
    Black balls
    
    The lolly…
    
    https://www.crazycandies.co.nz/products/black-balls
    
    I would be surprised if there really were “trigger” words as spelling can be adpated as per my pet phrase
    
    ardern is a
    
    lyre
    
    lier
    
    or
    
    perjurer
    
    storyteller
    
    deceiver
    
    dissimulator ( I like that one)
    
    equivocator
    
    fabricator
    
    falsifier
    
    fibber
    
    misleader
    
    prevaricator
    
    deluder
    
    fabler
    
    I actually think the poor buggers are forced to read our ramblings and adjudicate.
    
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    April 13, 2019 5:52pm
Albert_Ross

Of all the people carping about the moderators being a bit slow with their unpaid labour on a Saturday morning – how many have volunteered to lend a hand themselves?
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April 13, 2019 10:29am
- MickMac
  
  why would we bother Albert.
  12:44
  We wouldn’t be accepted,
  1. we use cover names. (because of the mob).
  2. we are those that speak our minds (and DPF fears the mob for).
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  Albert, was it you asking about what you could do to assist the environment?
  
  I think I suggested you look at Deerstalkers but look these guys up. http://halo.org.nz/
  
  A mate of mine belongs to the organisation in Dunedin and they are trying to clean up the ferals…..No, the four legged ones, you’re not allowed to apply “pest control” to the coalition no matter how annoying they may be.
  
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  April 13, 2019 5:56pm
Philview

I note that in the UK, Nigel Farage’s new Brexit Party has already taken a chunk of support from the Conservative Party per early polls. There was a media blackout of Farage’s visit to NZ last September. He could be harder to ignore in future.
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April 13, 2019 10:29am
waikatogirl

The Auckland uni maori students association says it wants to work with the university to address concerns about growing white supremacy. A couple of students have said they feel so frightened they cannot continue their studies and are considering dropping out. Stating since the mosque attacks threats and offensive graffiti has been found on campus.
The VC said they were dealing with two incidents in one of their schools.
Why would maori students feel targeted after the attack on muslim?
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April 13, 2019 10:36am
- MickMac
  
  woke
  Snowflakes
  
  this is NZ still, not Mogadhishu
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:45pm
- Jules99
  
  Because Marama has been whipping up fear.
  
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  April 13, 2019 3:47pm
- toby1845
  
  Because they are very ordinary students (as in, lower-than-average intellect, or simply lazy), and are hoping for special consideration in respect to grades, etc.
  
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  April 13, 2019 7:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Disturbing view on what is happening out in the country

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife/audio/2018690761/confidence-crisis-in-dairying

Young city kids arriving on Farm tours with set views on dirty dairying
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April 13, 2019 10:47am
- sooty
  
  Ye! The kids have been woked!
  You can only quess, but if all of them are woked, it has to be more than one teacher!
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Greenie teachers. Today’s Greenie is not the Greenie of the 70’s. They are commies, they hate Capitalism and want to destroy it.
    The Govt will provide under Socialism
    
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    April 13, 2019 5:18pm
- waikatogirl
  
  “His grandson was stood down from school for the day for challenging his teacher when she told the class that dairying was dirty.”
  
  “It’s got to the stage where farmers don’t admit to being farmers while at social functions as they get sick of having to defend their industry”
  
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  April 13, 2019 11:18am
  - kowtow
    
    The vilification of farmers has been going on for a long time . The legacy media bear a lot of the responsibility , anyone promoting the global warming scare mongering , leftist green movements , leftist anti private property activists , etc
    
    Part of the new Cultural Revolution.
    
    Irony is these leftists don’t seem to think they need to eat too , Collectivised Farms don’t produce much .
    
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    April 13, 2019 12:31pm
    - sooty
      
      Good on the grandson for calling out the snowflake teacher!
      Buy that boy a milkshake!
      
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      April 13, 2019 2:31pm
- Sacha
  
  If that had been on my farm, I would have put the whole class back on the bus, with an invitation to come back when both they and their teachers had learnt some manners.
  I’m sick and tired of the gratuitous rudeness displayed by much of the young population now-a-days.
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How about an invitation to not come back? Ever!
    
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    April 13, 2019 5:19pm
- ducklin71
  
  Food grows in boxes on the supermarket shelves. Who needs farms?
  
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  April 13, 2019 1:47pm
Andrei

Well that is it – I’m off to watch cat videos on Youtube since intelligent conversation on this blog is officially dead

Been commenting here since about 2007/8 I think – I don’t believe I ever had a strike under the old system maybe wrong.

Hell I can even comment at the Standard but not here it seems
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April 13, 2019 10:52am
- ducklin71
  
  The Three Stooges for me lol.
  
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  April 13, 2019 1:47pm
brett68

Have noticed this blog seems to be only open Monday to Friday.

It’s rather pointless posting anything on the weekend, no idea why they bother putting up a general debate post if there’s no one around to moderate.
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April 13, 2019 10:55am
kevn

GD used to attract hundreds of comments, almost 100% sensible. Now we are down to mere scores of comments…
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April 13, 2019 12:06pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-47914832

Judge states that if this recidivist drunk driver had been a man, she would have gone to prison.

Any man who has been imprisoned by this judge now has grounds to appeal the sentence.
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April 13, 2019 12:10pm
- softail 1450
  
  Jeeeeeeez, nearly 2pm and only 100 posts on KBs general debate, WTF .
  Maybe there’s another 100 or so awaiting moderation???
  
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  April 13, 2019 1:42pm
Belinda

I came here expecting to see lots of comments about Musa the new muslim in Christchurch, who was a drug addict livingon the streets , but saw the light just after the killings, and is now a fully fledged muslim.
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April 13, 2019 12:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps you could expand on that comment by relating your perspective on this event.
  
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  April 13, 2019 12:50pm
- simpleton1
  
  “They are my brothers and sisters, my new family.”
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/112009862/he-was-homeless-now-he-has-converted-to-islam-and-found-a-community
  
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  April 13, 2019 1:29pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Enthralled I’m sure.Wonder how the circumcision went…
    
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    April 13, 2019 6:02pm
- DigNap15
  
  He looks a fairly intelligent guy.
  
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  April 13, 2019 3:44pm
MCos

In 1919 movie stars Charlie Chaplin, Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford opened the movie company United Artists to protect their work and control their careers.
This led Richard A. Rowland to come up with the expression “the lunatics have taken over the asylum”.
A lot of people here are complaining about the way Mr Farrar is running his blog with respect to the unseemly delay while their comments are being moderated.
Maybe they could control their output as they wish by setting up their own blog instead of trying to take over Kiwiblog.
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April 13, 2019 12:39pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Or just be patient with the moderators and see how things go for a few weeks. Perhaps we can develop some more substantive commentary on matters of interest, rather than the back and forth banter, abuse, and flame wars – entertaining as that was.
  
  [Mod – patience is a virtue mikenmild, and some of us have lives outside our computers. This moderator has had a very pleasant morning, including a visit to a new cafe in our city, but has now reported for duty.]
  
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  April 13, 2019 1:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Thanks Mod. I wasn’t having a dig at you. I very much appreciate you and your colleagues stepping up to help the Kiwiblog community.
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:34pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Crawler…..
      
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      April 13, 2019 6:00pm
- softail 1450
  
  Mcos ,the most unread poster on KB giving out advice ???.
  
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  April 13, 2019 1:51pm
  - MCos
    
    Going by the downticks I’d say there are plenty of readers!
    
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    April 13, 2019 3:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And Mike, please don’t forget Mike’s advice, you may offend him. Then he gets all negative, like an angry schoolgirl
    
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    April 13, 2019 5:25pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Someone has. Over at You stupid boy, as referenced above by Waikato Girl.
  
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  April 13, 2019 2:14pm
- ducklin71
  
  You got schlonged buddy
  
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  April 13, 2019 8:15pm
Tony Stuart

Why is Golriz Ghahraman tweeting out information from a briefing by the GCSB?

Golriz Ghahraman
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Verified account

@golrizghahraman @golrizghahraman

We literally had a GCSB briefing that said there was a campaign against the Migration Compact based on mistruths began by neo Nazi groups in Europe. James Shaw asked a question in the House about its effect on NZ politics given the campaign was being used here

https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1116066757519654913

Surely, information provided to MP’s by way of a briefing from the GCSB should be confidential, and not shared with the general public via social media.
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April 13, 2019 1:16pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I very much doubt that the GCSB would provide confidential information in a select committee briefing, especially one chaired by one of the MPs representing the People’s Republic of China.
  
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  April 13, 2019 2:37pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Your faith in government is touching.
    
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    April 13, 2019 4:14pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think I have a reasonable faith in some of our government institutions. Our system of government is not in institutional crisis, like that of the USA.
      
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      April 13, 2019 5:42pm
- The King
  
  How dare anyone speak out about the replacement migration compact.
  
  Anyone black, white yellow who speaks against it is a “neo-Nazi”
  
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  April 13, 2019 6:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Crikey… now Wives are going to be held responsible for what their Hubbys believe and rave on about.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/netball/112008540/israel-folaus-wife-maria-folau-could-feel-implications-from-netball-over-his-antigay-posts

Gosh, as if I haven’t got enough to nag about… now I’ve actually got to listen to what he says!
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April 13, 2019 1:23pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I’m always telling hubby he is wrong. ?
  
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  April 13, 2019 1:41pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    One of my most-used sayings to my wife, when once again I have erred and she hasn’t, is “You and God; you’re always right!”
    
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    April 13, 2019 3:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

To all you Landlords….

there’s money to be made in the slumbos of Kaiti, Wairoa and Castlecliff

http://gisborneherald.co.nz/localnews/4036639-135/wairoa-and-kaiti-rental-returns-best
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April 13, 2019 1:31pm
DigNap15

yes I have lost interest in this blog
I thought it was more of a right wing blog.
But I’ve realised thaa its more liberal.
The Alexa ratings have dropped from 475 in March to 547 in April
That is a huge drop.
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April 13, 2019 1:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  This has always been a liberal blog. Perhaps you never bothered to read DPF’s ‘about’ information and assumed from the tenor of the comments that Kiwiblog was a hive mind of illiberalism.
  
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  April 13, 2019 2:47pm
  - MickMac
    
    mike
    Yes you are correct.
    like National it has been Labourlite.
    It has been the visitors and regular commentators who have made it conservative to a degree.
    Not Mr Farrar though he trys hard to be accomodating.
    i suspect he has read the wave of repression coming.
    i am grateful to him for his formenting mischief in the past.
    
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    April 13, 2019 11:09pm
DigNap15

To all landlords.
Why do you keep putting the rent up every year?
Your mortggae costs have fallen a lot.
Every time my g/f gets a wage rise, it is eaten up by you rent rises.
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April 13, 2019 1:34pm
- artemisia
  
  We put the rent up because we can. Sometimes each 6 months.
  
  And we can because of the golden rule. The one with the gold makes the rules.
  
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  April 13, 2019 2:30pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Assuming you’re being serious.
  
  a) Because our other costs increase year on year
  b) Because why not? Any supplier of goods or services will generally charge the maximum that the market can bear.
  c) You want charitable or social housing? Look elsewhere. Tenants are a pension plan, nothing more, nothing less.
  
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  April 13, 2019 3:09pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  In fact…
  
  Mortgage repayments may have fallen.
  
  Rates haven’t
  Insurance hasn’t
  Repairs and maintenance haven’t
  RTA requirements haven’t
  Petrol prices haven’t
  Property manager fees haven’t
  
  All of the above have increased. As a tenant you’re pretty likely to be being subsidised by your landlord even after rent rises.
  
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  April 13, 2019 3:30pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Most landlords don’t do much repair and maintenance work.
    Property managers fees are a percentage so no increase there.
    
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    April 13, 2019 3:43pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Most landlords certainly do carry out R&M, some do not.
      
      PM fees have increased with the outlawing of letting fees.
      
      Rates, insurance and expenses? – No, thought not.
      That insulation isn’t fee, the new heating that will be required won’t be free either. Nor will the compulsory extractor fans if they’re not already in situ.
      
      Really simple – increase LL’s costs watch rents go up.
      
      b) because we can
      
      c) I don’t have tenants because they’re too much trouble but I’ve increased my rates by $15-$25 (some are actually $35) a night above last year’s rates.
      
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      April 13, 2019 4:01pm
    - artemisia
      
      Landlords will be doing even less R&M if ring-fencing of rental losses comes in. Bill currently in Select Committee with a start date of 1 April 2019. Yes, 2019.
      
      Essential R&M and mandatory compliance only. Oh, and rent rises of course.
      
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      April 13, 2019 4:39pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        You do wonder where this idea of hard done to tenants comes from.
        
        80% of all Tenancy Tribunal cases are due to rent arrears. So if you assume a 50/50 (being very generous) split on the remaining 10% that means 90% of all cases that reach the tribunal are taken by landlords against tenants.
        
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        April 13, 2019 5:14pm
    - Rob2
      
      Add new insulation requirements that mean that even if the house is up to the old standard it has to be topped up. New heating requiremets i.e. heat pumps, Ventilation fans in bathrooms, no provision for shower domes.
      
      Have to remove a logburner with a nearly new hwc because of new air regs by the airport. Planes have been dropping carbon in the air for years but we can’t have a logfire no more.
      
      It just goes on and on so we charge more and you the taxpayer will top them up.
      
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      April 13, 2019 8:37pm
  - Rob2
    
    Health and safety, bad tenancy rulings, tenants no longer responsible for damage, tenants are arseholes often, taxes haven’t come down, brightline test,. All good reasons to charge more.
    
    Coming up CGT.
    
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    April 13, 2019 7:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Today is the Centenary of the Jallianwala Bagh, Amritsar Massacre

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/455406-jallianwala-bagh-massacre-apologise-britain/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre
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April 13, 2019 1:47pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  An action so heinous even Winston Churchill condemned it.
  
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  April 13, 2019 2:39pm
JibberJabber

If Greenpeaces` Rainbow Warrior could just stop dumping its waste into Bluff Harbour, that would great.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/southland-top-stories/111875191/greenpeaces-rainbow-warrior-discharges-discoloured-material-into-bluff-harbour
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April 13, 2019 1:57pm
- sooty
  
  Oh no, not the greenies dumping shit into the Bluff harbour!
  It’s bad enough that they run them dirty diesels to drive the ship from A to B!
  
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  April 13, 2019 2:39pm
Peter Lane

Just for everyone’s information, there was a backlog this morning which has now been cleared.

As explained earlier, the mods do have lives outside the blog. We are doing our best here.
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April 13, 2019 2:02pm
- Tall Man
  
  Just for interest’s sake, have you actually had to remove any serious breaches in posts or just the “pc” crap like eliminating phrases like ardern the (delted by mod)?
  
  Are there really inflammatory comments be posted?
  
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  April 13, 2019 2:21pm
  - Peter Lane
    
    Certainly some really dodgy stuff. But probably few and far between.
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:30pm
    - Tall Man
      
      If by the same people, why retain them?
      
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      April 13, 2019 5:38pm
- Peter Lane
  
  Nice to see 3 downticks. Sigh…
  
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  April 13, 2019 2:31pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Keep up the good work. It’s going fine.
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:40pm
    - Rob2
      
      No its not. Keep this up and the blog will die. Look at the numbers.
      Check the DATA.
      
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      April 13, 2019 8:49pm
  - fernglas
    
    Don’t be sad. It’s all just an illusion.
    
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    April 13, 2019 2:57pm
- Rob2
  
  Sounds a bit like the socialist outfits around the country. We are doing our best!
  Buses don’t work, trains don’t work, roads don’t work, NZTA doesn’t work Tauranga City Council doesn’t work, Parliament and Democracy no longer work.
  Large organizations don’t work, govt. depts are creaking like a 100 yr old.
  
  Not blaming you but the fact the blog needs moderators after 20 years is outrageous.
  It is appeasing to the thugs and bullies.
  Its Davids blog of course and he can do what he likes but IMHO never give in to thugs and bullies. Punch them right back in the nose. They are always cowards.
  
  And that’s NZ’s problem now. The thugs and bullies on all sides have gained the upper hand.
  
  The State is now the owner of you all.
  the communists and Marists have got their way and it will get worse without an upheaval.
  
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  April 13, 2019 8:47pm
nasska

Today’s edition of the Northern Advocate contains a letter to the editor worth reading. The correspondent has read “the End of Life Choice Bill, Justice Select Committee Report on the opposing submissions they heard during the process.”

Needless to say he is disillusioned with the callous & compassion free natures of some of the people he shares oxygen with. Examples:

“Suffering is an important part of the human experience.”

“Suffering enhances a person’s life teaching them gratitude, resilience & hope”.

“Personal autonomy must be balanced with the needs of other people & the wider community”.

I find it difficult to disagree with his summation that “we owe it to ourselves, our family, nurses & doctors”, the cleaners, visitors, the community generally to suffer as we die……… the more hideously we suffer the greater the contribution to all those others.”

I’ve accessed the on-line submissions to the bill. As I wade through the filth I’ll update on the opinions of some of Godaddled who “really, really” care.
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April 13, 2019 3:30pm
rightoverlabour

For all you complaining about moderation, this blog with a few friendly faces seems to be free-flowing.

https://ysb.co.nz/

I’ll be imparting pearls of wisdom at both….
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April 13, 2019 3:48pm
- nasska
  
  …..”I’ll be imparting pearls of wisdom at both”…..
  
  When do you start & at which blog? 🙂
  
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  April 13, 2019 3:59pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Will those pearls be cast before swine?
    
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    April 13, 2019 6:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I don’t know, will you be on the receiving end?
      
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      April 13, 2019 9:32pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      If the cap fits….
      
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      April 13, 2019 9:49pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Nasska, I have already sent a few your way, to break the ice so to speak.
    
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    April 13, 2019 9:48pm
- alien
  
  Can’t be very good if expel have to keep spamming the address here
  
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  April 13, 2019 8:06pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Fgs it has only just started up, the disaffected might want to blog elsewhere while they are in moderation here. It is not a one or other, DPF provides links to lots of other blogs, if he minded I guess they wouldn’t be posted but blocked messages.
    
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    April 14, 2019 8:26am
DigNap15

If you want to feel sick read this all the way through

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/112017561/why-the-star-of-jacinda-ardern-just-keeps-getting-bigger-and-brighter

With pics like those she’ll be in Playboy soon.
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April 13, 2019 8:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  Ain’t it “amazing” what an airbrush can do.
  
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  April 13, 2019 10:12pm
Tall Man

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12222015

Since when did accepting “diversity” mean total acceptance and total adherence to the “new religion” of being of the same mind with “no exceptions”.
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April 13, 2019 10:14pm
Hugh Pavletich

… IRELAND …

Dublin house prices more than nine times the average salary … The Irish Times

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/dublin-house-prices-more-than-nine-times-the-average-salary-1.3858878

Dublin’s housing market may have reached “peak affordability” with prices now more than nine times the average salary, a level not seen since the height of the boom.

An analysis of the latest house price data from the Central Statistics Office shows the median price paid for a house in the capital was €370,000 in February. This was 9.3 times the average annual earnings (€39,753) for the same period. In Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown, the most expensive area in the State, the median price (€541, 667) paid for a house was nearly 14 times average earnings.

The price-income multiple is a standard measure of affordability worldwide. In the past an “affordable” home was considered to be three to four times a person’s income. The Central Bank’s mortgage restrictions, which limit people to borrowing 3½ times their income, reflect this measure of affordability. The rapid rise in house prices in recent decades has, however, decoupled this relationship, with buyers requiring many multiples of income to get on the property ladder. … read more via hyperlink above …
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2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
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