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MrTips

“Hard times create hard men. Hard men create easier times. Easier times create soft men. Soft men create hard times.”

Where are we in the cycle?
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March 31, 2019 8:05am
- waikatogirl
  
  Where are we in the cycle?
  
  Soft men and stupid women are now creating hard times. They are driven to do so by crazy ideology.
  
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  March 31, 2019 8:44am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Soft men (and women) are creating hard times for young New Zealanders through restricting the supply of land and allowing in vast numbers of people (who will go to Auckland).
  What ever happended to “sustainability”? Can we not grow our own population.
  
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  March 31, 2019 8:58am
  - Rob2
    
    Auckland is going to crash. Look at the latest number of apartments consented.
    If they ever get built.
    Be 10 years before that comes right again.
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:26am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Think of all of the contracts that Labour has signed that they will have to honour for Kiwibuild.
      
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      March 31, 2019 10:24am
      - sooty
        
        The devolpers will be thinking like Kiwi Rail with Cullen!
        SUCKER!!!
        
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        March 31, 2019 11:08am
      - Rob2
        
        A record 3098 new dwellings were consented in February, up 28.4% compared to February last year and the highest number for the month of February since records began in 1966, according to Statistics NZ.
        
        Consents for all types of dwellings were up strongly compared to a year earlier, with the biggest growth occurring in consents for apartments which were up 235% compared to February last year, followed by retirement village units +154%, townhouses and units +11% and stand alone houses +9%.
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/98879/new-dwelling-consents-are-particularly-strong-auckland-led-growth-apartments
        
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        March 31, 2019 6:43pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      There is so much construction going on in Auckland and the skyline has so many cranes. Apartments are being built all over the place; there are 3-4 new complexes in the Orakei area alone. Who will buy these? Chinese? Other well-heeled immigrants.
      
      Young Aucklanders won’t remember the last recession, or even have any idea what a recession and real estate crash will be like. Especially when everyone JUST KNOWS that property prices only ever go up.
      Funny, that’s what we thought in Japan before 1992. (I watched some big companies burn.)
      
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      March 31, 2019 12:20pm
      - tf78
        
        There may be many cranes to be seen but how successful are the developments underneath them. Nothing is as it seems, there are a lot of failures on the horizon. Alexander Park and Sky City to name just two majors.
        
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        March 31, 2019 4:44pm
  - The King
    
    Our population can grow. Problem is the lying media and their co-conspirators spent the better part of 2 decades telling us New Zealanders that having too many kids was bad for the environment, this of course was all a scam by the UN to import millions of migrants.
    
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    March 31, 2019 4:47pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Who would be stupid enough to believe what the media say? They are just corporations whose role it is to make a profit for their shareholders.
      
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      March 31, 2019 6:02pm
      - The King
        
        You going to make me say it huh.
        
        Women.
        
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        April 1, 2019 1:28am
- Tall Man
  
  “A good man is hard to find…A hard man is good to find”.
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:15am
  - Rob2
    
    On the other hand, ” a man with a hard”? well we know who they are! 😆
    
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    March 31, 2019 6:44pm
mjw

Honestly, it really is time to update or remove the Curiablog widget.
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March 31, 2019 8:06am
- sooty
  
  I know that I am old, whitey and all I know is what I’ve taught myself. But what you talking about, boy?
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:13am
mikenmildagain

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Happy World Backup Day!
Also celebrating the International Transgender Day of Visibility.
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March 31, 2019 8:11am
- cmm
  
  World Backup Day?
  
  If you only do back ups once a year you don’t know what a back up is.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:08am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Who are you backing up to? A visible transgender person?
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:07am
- burt
  
  Your mention of ‘Transgender Day of Visibility’ got me thinking about the oppression trans, gay and non-binary, people face on a daily basis. Do you think we should be more critical of the ideologies and religions that persecute these people?
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes.
    
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    March 31, 2019 11:53am
    - burt
      
      Are you brave enough to say that when these people are immigrants, who continue with the culture pertaining to the place they came from before they got here, that they should go back to where they came from?
      
      Perhaps another way to put that – do you think it’s a sick joke that some morons wear Hijab’s while they speak of tolerance and inclusiveness?
      
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      March 31, 2019 12:37pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “Are you brave enough to say that when these people are immigrants, who continue with the culture pertaining to the place they came from before they got here…”
        
        Sounds more like a “colonist” and less like an “immigrant.”
        
        You can’t build your nation with colonists; only with immigrants.
        
        (Well, you can build a nation with colonists, but one day it won’t be your nation any more.)
        
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        March 31, 2019 1:11pm
      - burt
        
        Well that’s kind of the point isn’t it.
        
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        March 31, 2019 1:16pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yes.
        No.
        If you have any other questions, I’ll be happy to help.
        Have you got any more thoughts about the Trades Hall bombing?
        
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        March 31, 2019 1:23pm
      - burt
        
        mikenmildagain
        
        My thoughts on the Trades Hall Bombing;
        
        1. You need to stop pretending I don’t think it was tragic loss of life.
        
        2. Grow a pair and stand up for what you believe in rather then getting stressed out when your own values conflict with the ones you think it’s right to have.
        
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        March 31, 2019 2:01pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        burt
        I don’t think you need to worry about me standing up for my beliefs.
        You need to stop pretending that things that trigger you and your fellow snowflakes, like unions or religious garb, are the great evils in the world. Concentrating on actions, rather than appearances, could help you.
        
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        March 31, 2019 5:41pm
Tauhei Notts

Start General Debate with a moan.
This morning I entered the International Airport carpark at 5.08 a.m. and left, with my wife, at 5.44 a.m. Parking out in the open, no cover, was $11.
Am I right to consider that a rip off?
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March 31, 2019 8:12am
- softail 1450
  
  Tauhei Notts,Thats NZ for us now ,just a little less charged then would have us out rioting on the streets.
  We will be like the frog in the slowly warming pot,our last vision as we boil will be looking up from the bottom of the pot at Jacinda and Robertson collecting the cash that has floated out from our pockets FFS.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  Monopoly at work. International airports make 20-30% of their revenue from parking. It was 28% for Sydney’s Kingsford Smith back in 2016
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:42am
  - sooty
    
    You could save, by off site hugs, kisses and drop them at front door. Pickups, they ring you from the curb, with you parked down the street waiting. Race into front door and load up. No parking fees.
    
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    March 31, 2019 11:20am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Wellington Airport has, deliberately in my view, made the pickup process difficult. There is insufficient stopping area near arrivals, and parking goons working the dropoff zones.
      
      And another gripe, both Wellington and Auckland Airports have relocated Uber pickup some distance from from the terminal, with zero shelter … despite Uber passengers paying both drop-off and pickup fees to the airport.
      
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      April 1, 2019 8:01am
Rachael Membery

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111672944/hamilton-city-councillor-urges-kiwis-not-to-mourn-christchurch-terror-attack-victims-anymore

“They” will be on him like fleas.
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March 31, 2019 8:12am
- Pete George
  
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  It seems an odd thing for a councillor (James Casson) to urge.
  
  We should all be free to choose how to deal with the Christchurch shootings as we see fit.
  
  “Banning his manifesto, (accused) wins…Banning semi automatic firearms, (accused) wins … Each mosque protected by police, (accused) wins … Banning free speech no matter how vile from social media, (accused) wins.
  
  “Each time Ardern speaks of unacceptable hate or terror, (accused) wins. Each tear shed (accused) wins.”
  
  Promoting the killer as a winner due to good things that have been done in response to the killings deserves to be ridiculed.
  
  And ‘free speech’ hasn’t been banned by anyone, yet at least. Many people seem to have taken to claiming to be victims of something that hasn’t happened.
  
  Fifty people were shot and murdered. Another forty were shot and injured. Many more were severely affected, actually effected. The gravity of that should not be swept under a mat by people like Casson.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:32am
  - kowtow
    
    If the government and media choose to respond to Tarrant as if he’s a character from a Harry Potter novel that is their choice and others are free to draw whatever inference they want from such a childish response too.
    
    I don’t see Casson as promoting anyone , he’s simply saying a lot of people seem to be falling into the trap that Tarrant has set.
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:46am
    - Pete George
      
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      I could just as easily claim Casson is falling into a trap that the killer set.
      
      “Each time Ardern speaks of unacceptable hate or terror, (accused) wins. Each tear shed (accused) wins.”
      
      I expect the killer had some hope of winning. Casson is feeding that myth.
      
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      March 31, 2019 10:01am
    - SGA
      
      if he’s a character from a Harry Potter novel
      
      I must confess that I had a similar reaction to the whole “he who must not be named” schtick.
      
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      March 31, 2019 10:32am
- greybeard
  
  After reading this Stuff article I was struck by two things:
  
  1.- Mr. Casson’s perceptive comment “When you ban everything to a point where nobody can say anything, things get taken out of context then you start getting issues.”
  
  This seems to be an eminently sensible statement.
  
  2.- the arrogance of Mayor King when he referred to Mr. Casson’s comments as “fringe opinions” which he did not believe “reflected the views of most New Zealanders.”
  
  How does Mr. King know this ? Are Mr. King’s opinions and knowledge any greater and more worthy than Mr. Casson’s ?.
  
  And did not Mr. Casson indeed put his name to his facebook post, which Mr. King insinuates did not happen ?
  
  In my opinion Mr. Casson comes out of this event a more honest person than Hamilton’s mayor.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:43am
  - The King
    
    Just about every article the lugenpresse writes they say “the views of most New Zealanders” These journalists living in their 98% White neighborhood see themselves as fearless protectors of brown people, yet they would never walk alone after 11pm down Mangere bridge.
    
    It’s all fake all of it.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:30am
    - kowtow
      
      And now they won’t allow their opinions, cos that’s what they’re promoting , not news , to be tested in the comments sections.
      
      We really are moving into the 1984 scenario of a Ministry of Truth.
      
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      March 31, 2019 12:12pm
      - tf78
        
        kowtow – the trouble is who’s truth is it – it’s not the people’s until we take our country back from these ideologues.
        
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        March 31, 2019 4:50pm
Suze Wainwright

Would it be irony if a virtue signalling display of sisterly solidarity through the wearing of a hijab led to ‘unintended consequences’?
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March 31, 2019 8:14am
- cmm
  
  There are always unintended consequences from symbolic acts because symbols mean different things to different people.
  
  When (am I still allowed to call her PriNZess?) wears a hijab, various people could interpret this as:
  * it’s just being respectful to people.
  * it is being respectful to Islamic values which have no place in NZ.
  * a submissive act by a head of state indicating that NZ is now part of the caliphate.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:14am
  - Rob2
    
    Oh some of the women are now making a fuss. They have finally woken up that its a symbol denoting the place of women.
    
    About bloody time.
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:28am
    - cmm
      
      Biggest laugh I had was seeing two school aged white (judging from the colour of their legs) lasses walking along in skimpy shorts, but wearing hijabs.
      
      Complete naivety of the girls not realising the values they are “respecting” would have them caned for showing so much leg.
      
      One also wonders what a serious Islamist would make of such juxtaposition of symbolism.
      
      Same too the person I formerly called PriNZess. How do they feel about a woman who is a DJ (filthy secular music) that waves sex outside of marriage in their faces (punishable by stoning) donning a hijab to denote acceptance of their values?
      
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      March 31, 2019 11:04am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Merely being a woman having the audacity to say she’s proud to lead her country should be enough for a stoning…
        Not only unmarried as well, but the father has to stay at home and raise the baby! (which would probably be enough to see him stoned (literally) as well)
        
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        March 31, 2019 12:54pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Wearing a hijab is a imposed under Sharia law, it’s not a dress styling issue. There are penalties for inadequate compliance.
      
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      March 31, 2019 1:07pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Inevitable, there will be many New Zealanders that will feel that Jacinda has been OTT, and would think of Labour’s electoral manifesto.
  
  The electorate is not as stupid as she thinks.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:34am
  - SGA
    
    There’s a certain irony reading this comment so quickly after greybeard’s and The King’s comments (above) 🙂
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:51am
  - calendar girl
    
    I was surprised that PM Ardern donned a hijab soon after the Christchurch terrorist attack. She ignored the hijab’s role in controlling women in Muslim societies although, in fairness, perhaps that was an aspect of which she was unaware). But I gave her credit for the message of sympathy that the hijab appeared to carry to Muslim people living in this country.
    
    However, as the initial days passed and hijabs became frequently-worn items of prime ministerial attire, my initially-positive reaction faded materially. The impression conveyed had become one of our PM enjoying the personal attention that she attracted from world and NZ media. In my view her wearing of hijabs outside solemn mosque protocols became excessive, and detracted from the original message of sympathy and respect.
    
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    March 31, 2019 6:15pm
JibberJabber

You know it`s coming,
https://steemit.com/homesteading/@walkerland/if-you-want-to-see-a-change-for-the-better

How many have the skills to survive it this time around?

Thanks, Winston… it`s the one promise you`ve kept.
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March 31, 2019 8:15am
- Inandout
  
  Of course, as any commercial grower will tell you, much of his produce is taken by thieves in the night. Having a home garden will feed many neighbourhood thieves I am sure.
  
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  March 31, 2019 8:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bit difficult to produce all you need to feed your family of 4 if you are perched in a 2br-flat on the 15th floor.
  (still you could farm guinea pigs – for animal protein, and grow a vege supply on the balcony)
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:03am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Roof gardens? Beehives currently use some such spaces.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:34am
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/more-rooftop-gardens-urban-farms-planned
      
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      March 31, 2019 10:55am
  - burt
    
    So we will need to have a special tax on people who have land because it’s not fair some people have decided to live in apartments and don’t have space for a garden.
    
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    March 31, 2019 11:51am
    - tf78
      
      Nah burt – just invite them to mow your lawns.
      
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      March 31, 2019 4:53pm
- Tall Man
  
  It’s Sunday, I’m a bit slow today but I don’t get the link to “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:54am
- cmm
  
  If nothing else Winston is s survivor.
  
  Don’t count Winston out of the game until he has been cremated and the firefighters are rolling up their hoses after extinguishing the liver fire.
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:06am
Simon

There are no comments yet as the moderators are at Church.
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March 31, 2019 8:26am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Someone’s not feeling ‘kind’ this morning
  
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  March 31, 2019 8:35am
Simon

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

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March 31, 2019 8:28am
artemisia

I see Mr Tarrant has laid a formal complaint about not being allowed visitors or phone calls, each of which are entitlements under the Corrections Act. Corrections can withdraw entitlements under certain conditions, but should be very careful in applying the rules so as not to jeopardise a fair trial.
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March 31, 2019 8:32am
- Micky
  
  He filmed himself shooting 50 people. There is zero presumption of innocence, so it wont be a trial as such, just a recording of facts and sentencing. Corrections will release him into general population at some point and that will be the end of him.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:25am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Maybe but from what I read of the article he has so far only been charged with one murder. So shouldn’t his incarceration be based on that?
    
    Not playing devil’s advocate but has Correctons and the Justice Department dropped the ball, it has been over two weeks?
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:36am
    - Micky
      
      I think that was one person who was still alive. There is a lot of additonal evidence they still need to collect and that will no doubt take many many months. This guys actions will cost the NZ taxpayer hundreds of millions in security, investigation, legal, incarceration and firearms buybacks. He will be the most detested person to ever walk on New Zealand soil.
      
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      March 31, 2019 10:57am
      - artemisia
        
        Taxpayers (and ACC) will also pick up huge ongoing costs for the families of those killed. Not begrudging this, just pointing out that the financial consequences of Mr Tarrant’s actions go far beyond an expensive court case.
        
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        March 31, 2019 12:50pm
  - The King
    
    No. This is not how our justice system works. Everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. This isn’t the Soviet Union.(lol yet) He’s already a hero to millions (go read India twitter), not even dead yet and they call him Saint Tarrant of Christchurch. He dies he becomes an instant martyr.
    
    Outside of everybody’s protected little bubble of heavily moderated social media and fake news Brenton Tarrant has a follower base larger than this entire country.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:57am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      I talked to Indian guys at work about their thoughts and publicly they say how bad Tarrant and his attack were then comes the private “but”. That “but” being based on hundreds of millions of Hindus murdered by Islam over the centuries. They have long memories. Must be something to do with reincarnation.
      
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      March 31, 2019 12:05pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        One Indian at my work (a supermarket) said, in heavily accented English, within earshot of the public, and on the actual DAY of the shooting, that “we” had too many Muslims here. I needed stitches when I bit my tongue and didn’t reply, “Some of us feel the same way about Indians.”
        
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        March 31, 2019 3:46pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        If NZ is going to be a diverse multicultural society we are going to have to deal with diverse racism, tribalism and religious prejudices. It is not helpful when academics and politicians define racism as only possible from a (white) majority in a position of power against a darker skinned minority. White kiwis are not more prone to racism than any other kiwis. Probably less prone in my experience.
        
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        March 31, 2019 4:43pm
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  It scares me that Andrew Little is our AG. If anyone could stuff up what should be a slam dunk trial it is him.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:36am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Is getting legal advice then.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:38am
- peterwn
  
  He can always see a lawyer so his rights are not unduly affected. There is a serious risk he could use phone calls or visitors to make public statements or impede investigations. IMO a HRA s4, 5 & 6 analysis would favour the authorities.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:50am
- The King
  
  He’s in jail on a murder charge of someone who’s still alive. If this was America he would of walked already.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:32am
- mark15
  
  Stuart nash already said he did it
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:29am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    So has Golriz Ghahraman. You’d think as a practising lawyer, she’d know better than to make a public statement which could prejudice the right to a fair trial, which however much we detest him, the alleged terrorist has.
    
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    March 31, 2019 3:17pm
    - calendar girl
      
      He’ll turn any self-defence trial into a circus.
      
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      March 31, 2019 6:40pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      As a lawyer, we have a descriptor for the likes of Golriz, corn-flake. Just cut the mustard, but soggy in the milk of the cut and thrust, ideally suited to causes where digesting complex matters doesn’t matter any more. Ultimately likely to bubble to the top in low pH environments, such as Parliament.
      
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      March 31, 2019 10:53pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  If he was dealt with under the Mental Health Act provisions he would have none of those privileges.
  I believe there are legitimate grounds to question his sanity.
  
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  March 31, 2019 1:13pm
- cmm
  
  RNZ interviewed someone from corrections.
  
  They said that if he had unfettered access to media his message could get out and cause more killings.
  
  That seems like a ridiculous strawman.
  
  Allowing him to read newspapers etc would not give him any platform to speak to the outside world.
  
  Didn’t he say he wants to defend himself? If so, he is surely entitled to the material he would need to construct a defense.
  
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  March 31, 2019 1:43pm
Simon

Kiwiblog still 1,000 time better than bloody yournz.
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March 31, 2019 8:43am
Captain Mainwaring

Another double fatality on the killer road that Labour chose not to replace.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/111675591/one-person-dead-road-closed-following-crash-in-northland
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March 31, 2019 8:44am
- sooty
  
  Another two in Taranaki aswell.
  
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  March 31, 2019 8:52am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    But not on a road which National was going to four-lane but got cancelled by Labour.
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:06am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The roads are at fault according to JAG. Nothing a few rumble strips, more signs and the odd well placed cheese cutter barriers won’t fix.
    //
    
    JAG is an idiot.
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:16am
    - softail 1450
      
      Waikatogirl,weren’t the speed cameras going to fix this problem?
      We may need more of them.
      
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      March 31, 2019 9:27am
    - Tall Man
      
      “JAG is an idiot”
      
      I know of 360,000 reasons that prove she isn’t…we are the idiots.
      
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      March 31, 2019 10:47am
- alien
  
  when your time is up, its up.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:08am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    According to God? Aren’t we all meant to be looking forward to that day?
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:40am
    - alien
      
      just experince, I know when my brother passed in a car accident he knew over a week beforehand his time was up and spent that time saying his goodbyes. Also a friend of the family a week before he passed gave his goodbyes, tided up his affairs then had a massive heart attack. I don’t know of a single person who hasn’t known prior to passing that they were about to pass. And having a friend who works in a hospice says the same thing
      
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      March 31, 2019 9:56am
      - SGA
        
        I don’t know of a single person who hasn’t known prior to passing that they were about to pass.
        
        I can’t say the same. In fact, I can think of a few for whom I wished that had been the case so their estates weren’t such a mess.
        
        And having a friend who works in a hospice says the same thing
        
        Intriguing. I wonder what led the people in a hospice to that conclusion?
        
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        March 31, 2019 10:55am
      - alien
        
        SGA, because they would talk about their loved ones being around them who had already passed and would often tell her that they were nearly ready to go and to contact their family and ask them to come in
        
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        March 31, 2019 11:30am
      - SGA
        
        So you don’t think that being in a hospice, having people around them dying, and finding it more effort each day just to stay alive would have had anything to do with it?
        
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        March 31, 2019 11:35am
      - alien
        
        no, not form the stories I’ve heard from her and from personal experiences with people that have passed.
        
        I said above my brother knew he was going to pass. He didn’t know how just that his time was up. I was woken up in the middle of the night he passed to see him standing in my room. Of course i didn’t think much of it, told him to f off I was tired and went back to sleep. Found out he’d passed a short time before I woke to him in my room.
        
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        March 31, 2019 12:15pm
      - Close Hen Counters
        
        If you are a patient in a hospice then your chances of saying your time is up is higher than most surely? Hardly comparable to a fit and healthy person on the street?
        
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        March 31, 2019 4:10pm
      - Rob2
        
        Morphine talking.
        
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        March 31, 2019 6:55pm
  - sooty
    
    Hit’um in the back pocket a few times!
    That’ll drive them onto the buses!
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:52am
- SGA
  
  Heard you get a mention on RNZ this morning, Cap’n. Mediawatch, I think, if you’re curious.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:34am
All_on_Red

‘Jacinda Ardern’s quick trip to China is expected to be more symbolic than substantial.’
“Now that China has extended an invitation to the Prime Minister, she had no choice but to take it. But she knew she couldn’t go for too long, or it would look like she was neglecting New Zealand.” Says Bryce Edwards
– Newshub

Bwhahahahahahahaha. She doesn’t do any work here anyway! Laziest Prime Minister evah
I reckon she’s only staying a day so she can avoid having to deal with awkward questions about Huawei and not show how incapable she is.
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March 31, 2019 8:46am
- sooty
  
  But she can’t go for longer as the squrriel needs a feed and it doesn’t have it’s shots!
  What it’s still on the tit and she’s an anti vaxer?
  
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  March 31, 2019 8:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    NO, the PM is NOT an anti-vaxer.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/03/jacinda-ardern-s-strong-message-to-everyone-on-canterbury-measles-outbreak.html
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:31am
    - sooty
      
      Where does it say that the squrriel will be vaxinated at the required age and Cindy believes in it herself?
      My reading is she wants other people to vacinate, their children!
      
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      March 31, 2019 9:57am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think your reading is Wrong.
        The reason Baby Neve didn’t go to Nauru was because at 11 weeks old she had not received all 3 of her polio doses that are needed for protection.
        
        Polio vaccinations are given at 6 weeks, 3 months and 5 months.
        
        The PM was well aware of the immunisation schedule for her own child.
        
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        March 31, 2019 10:22am
      - sooty
        
        But, we are not talking Nauru, that was in the past! She’s going to China! So are you saying she took the baby this time? What about Gayford, the mother and the nanny?
        
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        March 31, 2019 11:32am
- JibberJabber
  
  more symbolic than substantial
  
  Around 18 months into her career as PM and there`s her Legacy right there.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:02am
- kowtow
  
  Our media hyped that she told Trump to love Muslim communities , will she tell same to Xi , seeing as how he’s got a massive gulag running ?
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:32am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    They’re not gulags (wink, wink). Todd McLay told us all they are ‘vocational training centres’.
    But you’re right – no NZ politician would dare say anything confronting to the Chinese dictatorship.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:01am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Paying lip service?
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:42am
- Ross12
  
  If that is the real reason then she is insulting the Chinese. It would have been better to politely turn down the invite and go at a later date , if and when invited again.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:10am
- cmm
  
  The jet fuel consumed in the act was surely symbolic too.
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:10am
John Warren

“One of our treasured tōhunga from Te Hapua told me once that the birds know where to come back to because they take a small stone from the Parengarenga Harbour in their gullet and the magnetic qualities of this stone help them find their way home. Our ancestors asked questions of their world, they tested these questions out and learnt more. They were researchers, they were scientists.”

So says Hinemoa Elder in a link a friend sent to me this morning (I just don’t go anywhere Stuff under my own steam anymore). Is she really stupid enough to believe that utter nonsense? The Myth of the Noble Savage endures: get out of the way, ignorant whities. Elder has gone the complete bull goose loony, an aggressive, proselytizing, mythologizing born-again Maori. Uses up a lot of white space recounting all her degrees, titles, and qualifications – the ones she earned in a western university system invented by white people.
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March 31, 2019 9:01am
- kowtow
  
  The real message in that article was nothing to do with the outrage and everything to do with her raising her anti white , and therefor racist rhetoric and far left anti free speech agenda.
  
  So when you complain for example that immigration is pushing up house prices you’re on the continuum that leads to violence…….
  
  ‘We have witnessed extreme violence. Violence exists on a continuum. Tolerance for tiny droplets of violence enables the sluice gates to open. I hope that finally the penny drops that micro-aggressions of everyday language, actions and attitudes must be called out and addressed effectively if we are to prevent future terror attacks.’
  
  The other irony that may or may not be lost on Elder is she’s telling Honkey to butt out , but seems to think it’s OK for her as a Maori to stick her oar in.
  
  Strange times.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111582476/wellmeaning-pkeh-you-must-get-out-of-the-way-of-the-muslim-communitys-healing
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:40am
  - sooty
    
    So she’s going to say something about the child abuse in maori is she?
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:00am
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      God no sooty -too hard weaved basket
      
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      March 31, 2019 4:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She would have done better to consult with Professor Michael Walker (Ranginui Walker’s son), an acknowledged expert on navigation in animals…
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/7243/michael-walker
  
  ( Some recent research seems to be indicating that it is a protein in a bird’s eye that is detecting magnetic fields
  https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/protein-in-birds-eyes-helps-them-see-earths-magnetic-field/)
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:52am
- Tall Man
  
  “earned”?
  
  From memory, ill health prevented her from sitting a few exams so she was “granted” an aegrotat pass.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:44am
  - backster
    
    I learn a new word every day.
    
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    March 31, 2019 11:24am
    - Tall Man
      
      Here to help…
      
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      March 31, 2019 9:06pm
- madamezucchininz
  
  ….I read the article this morning and the laptop very nearly wore the morning coffee…..”well intended Pakeha will have to get out of the way”…..Really….in this piece she denies her Pakeha heritage as she is obviously more white than brown……………who the hell does she think she is ……would she like to go back to the time where her people were hungry and cold and without the wheel…..would she deny her education that “white people” brought to her people……this puff piece is beyond the pale…..in the weeks following the event in Christchurch there have been a number of opinion pieces written by Muslim women…..on and on about how awful it has been for them growing up and living in racist Christchurch….. one of these articles was written by a young woman of my daughters age…..my daughter went to school and socialized with a number of foreigners…..to her they were all NZer’s ……she went to a High School that was pressured into allocating a Prayer Room for the Muslim students…..my daughter is a blue eyed blonde with a 16th Maori…..she has been subjected to racial abuse by other Maori….one was an adult bus driver….who would sail past and not pick her up and if he did was absolutely rude to her…..when she visited the Whanau in Turangi ….her cousins would always accompany her to the township as they knew she would be subjected to racial abuse…..I am so over the white population being bashed….racism happens across all cultures…
  
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  March 31, 2019 1:04pm
  - The King
    
    Shapeshifters, she will use her European side when it suits her, she will be one of those that when around Maoris she talks in bro talk, then back to normal around the Whites. Many such cases.
    
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    March 31, 2019 4:57pm
- Colinxy
  
  That sounds absolutely inferior to African Witch Doctor Science, which can call down lightning to strike someone.
  
  (Sadly, not joking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14)
  
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  March 31, 2019 4:38pm
rouppe

I read this story of a racist attack in Raglan in the wake of the Christchurch shooting.

What struck me was the reference to the offender as “mixed race”.

When a white person commits this sort of crime, they are “white supremacist”, “alt-right”, “far right” or “neo Nazi”, and the insults they throw are “hate speech”.

When a non white person does the same thing, why is all that we get is “mixed race”?

Why not just say which mix it was, since when was the last time you heard anyone of mixed race identify as “white”?
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March 31, 2019 9:07am
- waikatogirl
  
  Can’t open your link so not sure how far the “attack” went.
  
  Why not just call them a criminal as they have carried out an assault.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111639761/racist-attack-in-raglan-in-wake-of-christchurch-shooting
    
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    March 31, 2019 11:20am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Thanks for that TM. One guess at the ethnicity of the bully. ?
      
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      March 31, 2019 2:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Lithuanian?
        
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        March 31, 2019 9:04pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Is it racism if it is one minority against another minority as they are ‘all on, if you believe the Mongrel Mob that is?
  
  If it is like a coalition where it is all minorities against us whiteys, doesn’t that make us the minority?
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:27am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    All one, sorry.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:42am
  - The King
    
    White people are less than 10% of the world population. Yes you are the minority.
    
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    March 31, 2019 11:16am
  - rouppe
    
    It is racism if one person attacks another on the basis of race. Minority or majority makes no difference.
    
    There is no “except for” to racism
    
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    March 31, 2019 3:21pm
    - The King
      
      Everyone is racist – we all understand that there are different kinds of people, and we treat them differently. It’s just that some people are comfortable with that and accept it as part of life, and others feel guilty/ coerced into guilt and/or are in denial.
      
      If you have a problem with one of the following you are in that group…
      
      Black Pride
      Latino Pride
      Maori Pride
      Jew Pride
      White Pride
      
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      March 31, 2019 5:06pm
- Colinxy
  
  It seems NZ Fairfax is trying to emulate the US Left media…poorly. At least when they were describing George Zimmerman they were better at epithets: “White Hispanic” or “Half White” are two of the descriptions that I remember. Plus the careful editing of the police audio log to make sure Zimmerman came across as racist as possible.
  
  “Mixed race” is too ambiguous.
  
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  March 31, 2019 4:34pm
  - The King
    
    That was funny, CNN even edited the photo of Zimmerman, highlighted his face to make him appear more White.
    
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    March 31, 2019 6:45pm
JibberJabber

What is it exactly with the medias` glorification of gangs?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203254
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111594950/gangs-bosses-say-weapons-wont-be-handed-back-after-christchurch-mosque-shooting
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March 31, 2019 9:14am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I think it is great, let’s see a Government crack down on gangs who are already predominantly not law abiding and will continue to be a ‘law’ unto themselves.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:29am
- Rob2
  
  Who ever thought they would?
  
  Rocks, head?
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:33am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    But Jacinda is going to ask nicely, perhaps she can visit each gang pad? You know they will be powerless to resist, she can wear her cloak? (Which I think is quite stunning by the way.)
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:55am
    - cmm
      
      I have it on very dodgy authority that she will be wearing a patch when visiting gang HQ.
      
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      March 31, 2019 11:14am
      - Close Hen Counters
        
        And stick on tattoos?
        
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        March 31, 2019 4:16pm
    - rouppe
      
      She going to get very hot wearing a cloak for the Maori, a hijab for the Muslims, and carrying a 5kg greenstone “taonga” around her neck.
      
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      March 31, 2019 3:27pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Not the target obviously, licence holders are.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:46am
    - sooty
      
      Just because they keep all of their guns securly locked up in approved gun cabinets!
      
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      March 31, 2019 11:36am
- softail 1450
  
  JibberJabber,guess what would happen if the average Pakeha said “nah im keeping my guns for protection” Jeeeez this country is truly heading down the shitter at an ever increasing speed,I predict Air NZ will be making millions extra soon from one way tickets to Aussie by NZrs of all races and religions ,just like Labour has caused to happen twice before …
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:45am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And average Maori gun licence holders, who will be made technically criminal.
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:59am
  - sooty
    
    Except that oz will slam the gate and padlock it, when Cindy starts dishing out free residencey/ citizernship after Christchurch!
    Everyone will need a visa!
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:06am
  - waikatogirl
    
    With the economy taking a nose dive our roads won’t be so crowded if all those who returned to NZ depart our shores again. Phew! ?
    
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    March 31, 2019 2:14pm
- JibberJabber
  
  https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/03/new-nz-laws-supported-for-other-people.html
  
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  March 31, 2019 12:23pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    From CK’s article:
    
    “Maybe [Ardern] can also wear one of their gang patches for the day so they all feel less marginalised in the community”
    
    A great idea. Hey our PM could launch her own virtue signaling rage – hijabs, burka, gang patches, crucifixes. The merchandising possibilities are endless.
    
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    March 31, 2019 7:29pm
    - nasska
      
      Cynic! 🙂
      
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      March 31, 2019 7:51pm
Yvette

Frankly, I think this is an insane way of showing solidarity. It is also confusing to me, and all thinking Muslims. Why can’t Western leaders show solidarity with us without completely sacrificing their religions, culture and traditions? You did not have to adopt our culture to show sympathy.

This proved on thing: the authorities in New Zealand did not believe treating Muslim New Zealanders as New Zealanders was enough, they had to put their religious identity ahead of their actual citizenship; that is if you believe that the attack was against New Zealand as a country – which it was. – Mohammad Tawhidi, Australia
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March 31, 2019 9:19am
- John Warren
  
  At last, a Muslim I agree with. I read the whole article. I hope there are many more like him out there.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  According to Hinemoa Elder,
  well-meaning Pakeha should just butt out of extending help/sympathy to our fellow Muslim NZers.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111582476/wellmeaning-pkeh-you-must-get-out-of-the-way-of-the-muslim-communitys-healing
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:35am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Hinemoa Elder a woman who gained promenence by accident of marriage. I remember her as a vapid commentator and always wondered what Paul Holmes saw in her.
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:42am
    - sooty
      
      So maori are ok to poke their nose in. Just whiteys not allowed to!
      
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      March 31, 2019 10:08am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        New word ‘whiteys.’ Not one killed but turning themselves into victims, or maybe supporting the gunman.
        
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        March 31, 2019 10:17am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Linda Armstrong was a Pakeha woman, born in West Auckland.
        https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/385129/christchurch-mosque-attacks-linda-armstrong-remembered-as-kind-loving-person
        
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        March 31, 2019 10:33am
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      Maybe a valuable antique piece for the front passage?
      
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      March 31, 2019 4:17pm
  - The King
    
    Well of course you trying to help as a Whitey is bad because slavery and stuff.
    
    [laughs in colonial oppression]
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:42am
- Brian McDonald
  
  “You did not have to adopt our culture to show sympathy.” That’s taking licence on reality, showing sympathy is not adopting a culture.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:07am
- Brian McDonald
  
  “that is if you believe that the attack was against New Zealand as a country – which it was. – Mohammad Tawhidi, Australia.” More nonsense. Christchurch’s Muslim community forgot to show their anger, while the gunman forgot to record that the mosque attack was actually against NZ – in fact he deliberately hid both in language and as to what he targeted. No wonder the writer finds support from fellow conspirators here. Scrapping the barrel for all it’s worth.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:14am
Justitia

Tomorrow will be April with Easter and then ANZAC Day to come. But there is another important anniversary to which New Zealand turns a blind eye. 24 April 1915 marks the beginning of the Turkish genocide of Armenian, Greek and Assyrian Christians in which over 2 million people were killed in a campaign of Turkification started by the Ottomans and continued by the “Young Turks”. The word “genocide” was coined to cover the ensuing massacres and atrocities that spanned some seven years. Mr Erdogan has been drawing from a very deep well. It’s time New Zealand formally recognized this tragedy.
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March 31, 2019 9:30am
- Twinkletoes
  
  As Hitler said when he started ethnically cleansing the unwanted in Germany ‘who remembers Armenia’?
  
  Actually, probably only the Armenians, as this genocide is never mentioned anywhere in the west where muslims have immigrated. Might hurt the ‘peaceful and tolerant’s feelings’. Possibly considered as hate speech in this day and age.
  
  We now have a good reason to include Islamic history in academic studies but I am sure the FIONZ would have kittens if this was mooted.
  
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  March 31, 2019 1:21pm
  - Justitia
    
    Canada and most European states have recognized what happened in Turkey as genocide. But New Zealand remains a “genocide-denier” (which is actually illegal in countries like Switzerland). I knew many Armenians when I worked in the Middle East and I enjoyed their company and friendship greatly. But they were always puzzled by our government’s position and I was ashamed of it. Perhaps Jacinda cut put things right on the anniversary this April?
    
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    March 31, 2019 3:03pm
    - The King
      
      Looks like NZ denies the Holodomor too (i cant find anything). Australia recognizes it. Terrible.
      
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      March 31, 2019 6:49pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yep. And New Zealand is still to take official positions on the Irish Famine, the transatlantic slave trade, the European conquest of the Americas, the crusades, etc, etc. It’s like we don’t cafe.
        
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        March 31, 2019 7:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        edit: Yes, we do cafe, but I meant we don’t care.
        
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        March 31, 2019 7:11pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There’s 238 days left to sign this petition
        https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_82223/petition-of-rachel-rolston-acknowledge-the-ukrainian
        
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        March 31, 2019 7:52pm
  - The King
    
    That “Hitler quote” is fake and fabricated. Debunked long ago.
    
    Facts man stick to facts.
    
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    March 31, 2019 5:18pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      As Abraham Lincoln once said: “most of the quotes you read on the internet are bogus”.
      
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      March 31, 2019 8:06pm
softail 1450

A neighbour who is in the RNZAF assures me that Jacinda has taken Airforce One to China ,Surely he must be mistaken $25,000 an hour to take her for a one day visit .
probably the best part of $500k spent so she can big note with the red carpet while our own Air NZ is the best airline on the planet and flies there often.
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March 31, 2019 9:33am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Daily service to Shanghai though. Can’t be seen flying Air China could she.
  As an interesting aside do you know our government flies Emirates not Air NZ when going to Europe.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:44am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Air New Zealand’s business class doesn’t cut it when there are first class suites on offer and someone else is paying.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:08am
  - Colville
    
    A 12 hour layover in a airport hotel in Dubai is a pretty civilized way of doing the trip to Europe.
    
    On a plane in the early hours Dubai time and off mid morning in Europe after 6 or so hours in the air.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:09am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy can easily justify the use of HER Airforce One. If it’s good enough for that nasty “orange man” Trump to have his own Airforce One then it’s good enough for Cindy to fly long haul solo too. ?
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:49am
- alien
  
  according to an article the other days he was flying commercial. But even if she isn’t, she is the leader of the country and should fly as such. Key took the airforce plane when he visited china. There is also a large group of business people flying with her.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:59am
  - Tall Man
    
    She is the leader of a country that her virtue signalling drivel is slowly destroying.
    
    If she did give a flying fuck about her carbon footprint would she not be finding the “best” way to get anywhere or does the “green” crap only apply to us…..
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:36am
  - cmm
    
    “Leader of a country?
    
    No, she is leader of a TINY country with a very small taxpayer base.
    
    In most of the world the size of the population she “leads” would rank her as a minor mayor – not as a “leader of a country”.
    
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    March 31, 2019 11:20am
    - alien
      
      and yet if it was a national PM you would say different. This is the attitude most of us who voted in the key government hated from the labour supporters. But hey even you have admitted she is the leader of the country.
      
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      March 31, 2019 11:48am
    - KiWombat
      
      Lord Mayor of Sydney has more population to manage than Cindy does. Probably Melbourne as well.
      
      She’s probably in the same ballpark as the Premier of Queensland !
      
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      March 31, 2019 11:56am
    - namron
      
      In the list of Countries of the World – by population, NZ is 125th!
      And – there are 91 cities in the world that have more people than NZ does.
      Miss Ardern [and probably the rest of us too] need to keep things in proportion.
      
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      March 31, 2019 1:28pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    She can’t have it both ways, shutting down the oil and gas industry to virtue signals to the world about saving the planet, and then flies to China on the RNZAF plane when AirNZ flies up there regularly.
    
    Hypocrite much!
    
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    March 31, 2019 2:26pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  They are correct, flight number KIW 733 tracking 315 took off in last hour.
  Burning just over 3 tonnes of fuel an hour, 757 are real gas guzzlers compared with new Boeing’s.
  Makes a mockery of worrying about climate change, a handful of people sitting on a plane that can configure to 295 to fly a day to do a few hours meetings.
  I wonder if PM will mention the few million Urghurs incarcerated and or being eliminated.
  Will be an interesting few hours, the Chinese won’t be playing into her magic spell.
  Beijing news not a word on her visit.
  Is Winston going along for the ride? Will be plenty of sleep time over next few days.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:40am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s perfectly reasonable for any PM of NZ to take an Airforce plane to China. I’m surprised she’s gone so quickly.
    
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    March 31, 2019 1:27pm
- Paulus
  
  Grant Robertson was once heard to call Air NZ, My Airline !
  Not sure B 757 has enough range to reach Beijing without a refuel.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:42am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Where was Grant while Jacinda was in CCH?
    
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    March 31, 2019 1:39pm
- backster
  
  How many trees is she planting when she returns to compensate for Greenhouse Gases emitted.
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    “How many trees is she planting”……
    
    None, like jones she doesn’t have a clue and couldn’t care lees even if she did.
    
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    March 31, 2019 11:43am
Rob2

his pricks a gooner.

A former cabinet member at the heart of a crisis that could cost Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau his job on Friday released documents to back up her case that she had been pressured to help a large corporation avoid a corruption trial.

Trudeau has been on the defensive since February 7 over allegations that officials inappropriately leaned on former Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould last year to ensure construction company SNC-Lavalin Group Inc escaped a trial by paying a fine instead.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/03/secret-recording-drags-canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-further-into-scandal.html?fbclid=IwAR25HvyGciguK0_PVqQQOzD5N7kH7GyjHxw9X4OVCMtPjWc-RQW-g3KJLjI
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March 31, 2019 9:34am
- MickMac
  
  Good.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:29am
Rob2

I am working hard for this great country. Thank you!

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/photos/a.488852220724/10162341759480725/?type=3&theater
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March 31, 2019 9:36am
Rob2

The media has reported the government has budgeted on approx 100-200 million dollars at this stage?
A figure also bandied around in media was of an assumption around $1500-2000 per rifle? This may sound reasonably accurate for an A category semiautomatic rifle but competition E rifles have a starting point of $3000 to $7000. More realistically averaging a market value around $5000.

https://www.facebook.com/gunsnzcom/photos/a.521890831246711/1631308553638261/?type=3&theater

Compensation on market value of rifles could be in the 750 million to 1.5 billion range, not including ancillary equipment.

What is the estimated disposal costs of banned firearms?
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Wonder what the nurses and teachers et all think now when the govt. had no money for their wage rises but can now find enough to buy back all the guns.
What a badly considered bit of legislation.

Well worded letter to the PM.
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March 31, 2019 9:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What the heck does the Government do with all the firearms when they get them?
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:07am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think the Australians destroyed all they collected in the buyback there.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:16am
    - Rob2
      
      Most of those were old ww2 rubbish. Have a look at the pics.
      
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      March 31, 2019 11:42am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Historic old ww2 rubbish?
        
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        March 31, 2019 1:42pm
  - Colville
    
    scrap metal.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:20am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Bound to be overseas markets that would buy them.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:22am
    - mark15
      
      No.
      Illegal in most places,the only countries I can think of where they arent is the USA or Canada…where they came from originally.
      Buy them back?
      My ar15 was $1799.
      Do you know how cheaply one can buy them in the USA?
      
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      March 31, 2019 11:46am
      - Tall Man
        
        Also, there is an issue with it being seen as “arms sales”.
        
        That would be a big downtick for her at the UN so it will just be shitloads of ouur money going down the drain for her stupidity.
        
        Even a numbskull could tell her there are heaps of other and better options than this nutjob.
        
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        March 31, 2019 1:47pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Many countries have “liberal” licensing systems.
        
        Have a look at a couple that don’t….China & North Korea…..
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation
        
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        March 31, 2019 2:02pm
  - softail 1450
    
    M W ,Thats easy ,sell them to the Muslim terrorists in sub Saharan Africa.
    More likely we will see pictures of Jacinda presiding over the destruction of these guns that were legally bought by non criminal NZrs who had them taken from them by a knee jerk COL.
    These guns would be of no use to me personally but were obtained by 100% legal means by their owners,its nothing more than the biggest VIRTUE SIGNAL to be carried out on the planet since the exact same thing happened in Aussie decades ago.
    The UN are taking notes aye Jacinda ,FFS.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:25am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      The new Crusher? Or shall it be Gnasher?
      
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      March 31, 2019 10:54am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I doubt they going to get that many. Many will just “disappear”, and no one will know where to look for them. The do-gooders will hand them in, many will just put them into hidden storage. If they offer commercially attractive rates, that may make a difference….
    
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    March 31, 2019 3:20pm
  - Inandout
    
    Maggy, some firearm parts may end up in a gang’s headquarters.
    
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    March 31, 2019 5:26pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s a form of fiscal stimulus for firearms owners.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:16am
  - softail 1450
    
    MMA, Dont know whats going to happen when there is a disagreement about the value of these guns ,I cant see the very industry that have been selling them helping the hopeless COL in valuing the same guns,especially down valuing them if there is a dispute….LOL.
    It will be another self inflicted wound by the Cabal running our place.
    
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    March 31, 2019 10:34am
- Fletch
  
  I read that, too. A guy on another Kiwi gun blog reckons it will be more in the neighborhood of $3 billion.
  
  https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/2019/03/29/the-true-cost-of-a-gun-buyback/
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:40am
- The King
  
  If you’re giving up your guns to these Marxists, you deserve everything you’re going to get. Hop aboard the cattle cart citizen your government will relocate you to a safe place…
  
  Does anyone know any history here?
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:47am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I seem to recall that the socialists were in charge at that time, recall it did not end well . . . .
    
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    March 31, 2019 1:40pm
redeye

Anyone else trying to use Spark Sports? I signed up for the F1 but what a complete joke.
So they outbid Sky for the rights to a bunch of sports, but were obviously totally unprepared for it. They still haven’t got an app for any of the smart TVs. If you want to watch any of their sport it’s only on your PC, Phone or tablet.
And this morning they have completely stuffed up the qualifying replay. My error message says it’s unavailable in my area. Where the hell they think I am?
And a warning, they have the exclusive rights to the RWC.
Rant over.
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March 31, 2019 9:53am
- DigNap15
  
  As I have always said
  F Spark
  and
  F Chrorus
  Luckilyy I am in an area where Chorus did not get the rights to lay the fibre.
  Anyone who is still with Spark to my mind is an idiot.
  They treat they customers like shit and try to screw them wherever they can.
  
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  March 31, 2019 2:46pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yep; we ditched Spark some time ago. Our home phone is a VOIP connection via our fibre, so there’s $30/month in lines charges alone saved.
    
    I’m starting to get really worried about Spark’s ability to deliver Rugby World Cup this year.
    
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    March 31, 2019 3:22pm
  - Inandout
    
    DigNap15, I understand Chorus sublet contracts to other installers where they can’t do the job. My fibre has been installed for two years carried out by Indian gentlemen, and we haven’t had one issue. The landline expert was a man from Africa.
    
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    March 31, 2019 5:30pm
  - rangitoto
    
    You don’t have to be with Spark as an ISP to use Spark Sport. I have Slingshot as ISP at present.
    
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    March 31, 2019 7:41pm
- waikatogirl
  
  There was a clip on TV about Smart TV’s. Unlike phones and tablets Smart TVs are not able to be updated with new apps, that requires an upgrade to a NEW Smart TV.
  
  Good luck.
  
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  March 31, 2019 2:48pm
  - redeye
    
    Cheers for that. I
    
    This is from their web site.
    
    “Spark Sport is now available as an app on selected iPads and iPhones, Android devices, AirPlay to Apple TV, Chromecast and all popular web browsers. During the months following launch, the Spark Sport app will become available on Apple TV, Samsung, Panasonic, LG and Sony Smart TVs and further platforms still to be announced. “
    
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    March 31, 2019 5:25pm
  - Inandout
    
    waikato, out 2 yr old Sony Smarts has a software update about twice a year, and new apps appear with them.
    
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    March 31, 2019 5:33pm
- rangitoto
  
  I am. Didn’t watch the qualy replay until just now. Seemed to work ok so maybe they fixed it in the mean time. This race is hopeless time wise to watch it live so I hope they don’t stuff up the race replay. If you want to watch it on your TV then you can always plug in an HDMI cable from your laptop or chromecast it.
  
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  March 31, 2019 7:38pm
mikenmildagain

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Kiwiblog earned a bit of discussion on Radio NZ’s Mediawatch this morning.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018688896/mediawatch-for-31-march-2019
It features Captain Mainwaring’s unhinged complaint about TVNZ delaying the screening of Country Calendar last week to allow for extended news coverage in the Sunday programme.
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March 31, 2019 10:14am
softail 1450

FFS,Watching newshub nation on TV3 and they have the head of oranga tamariki on for an interview ,Shes a blonde haired ,blue eyed ,pakeha with a pommie accent .
No wonder Maori get pissed off with the systems in NZ ,surely there must be a qualified indigenous person that could do this job.
BTW ,she was wearing a huge greenstone carving around her neck so maybe she has been granted “honorary Maori ” status……fffuuuuuccckkkk.
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March 31, 2019 10:14am
- Steve Todd
  
  Irish accent, actually.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:50am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Good on you for admitting to watching it.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:56am
- John Warren
  
  Saw that. Had the same reaction.
  
  The size of your greenstone carving must be directly proportional to your marae creds or something.
  
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  March 31, 2019 2:54pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Softail, I thought people here would like jobs filled by merit, not race? Presumably she has the qualifications and experience.
  
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  March 31, 2019 5:51pm
sooty

Pick the best of the best for their own use and scrap the rest. Expect to to see the police with some odd looking guns at events after that!
They are not going to scrap guns that they can only wet dream about!
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March 31, 2019 10:16am
Ross12

Journalists wonder why they are well below second hand car salesmen on the list of respected/trusted occupations. Here is an example of why that is:
Jon Snow –a very experienced UK TV journalist on Channel 4 reporting from the pro Brexit march outside the Houses of Parliament yesterday
“I have never seen so many white people in one place..”
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March 31, 2019 10:18am
- double d
  
  Sounds very game of thrones – the wall is down and the army of the dead are coming – the white walkers aaaaaaargh
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:29am
DigNap15

Ardern should be flying cattle class in a RNZAF Hercules.
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March 31, 2019 10:21am
MickMac

Don’t be stupid Digi
10:32
She is the Pm and should be comfortable and accessible to the press pool and businessmen she’s taking with her.
Sometimes the comments here are soo OTT.
Regardless of how you view here, she’s representing us right now with the 2nd biggest thugs on the planet after Russia.
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March 31, 2019 10:33am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Are others going to stay longer and fly back after having been officially introduced by Jacinda? Or is everyone just therefor a day?
  
  What an insult.
  
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  March 31, 2019 10:58am
Lee C

Anyone see HDPA interview her own keyboard and put it out as a pro-Jacinda puff-piece in the Herald today?https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12217453

Nice work if you can get it….
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March 31, 2019 10:37am
Fletch

An open Letter to the PM that appears in a Facebook group of secular(?) Muslims. criticizing her wearing the symbol of the oppression of women –

To the attention of New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern

Madam Prime Minister,

It is with great sadness that we learnt of the tragedy that struck your Country resulting in the slaying of fifty New Zealand Muslims in the two mosques in Christchurch. A heinous crime that horrified the whole World. This dramatic ordeal that you share with your fellow citizens will take time and courage to overcome and start the healing process.

But no tragedy can justify ignoring universal values of equality and freedom. As citizens of Canada of Muslim faith and /or culture, we find it crucial to inform you of the disastrous fallout of the pseudo-religious parody that you exhibited along with women in your Country, no doubt because of ignorance, and as a sign of solidarity, wearing an Islamist and not a Muslim veil. This veil symbolises the de-facto inferioritization of women. In its most degrading form, it serves as a banner for Islamist Groups such as ISIS, Boko Haram and Chebab who kidnap, rape, murder and unscrupulously imprison women in the countries where they rule. Doing so, New Zealanders seem to be unconscious about an extreme Religious Right which instrumentalises women in advancing a totalitarian political agenda.

What about Solidarity with Muslim women who are struggling to free themselves from the oppression of the veil? How, in a country as egalitarian as New Zealand, can one choose to express compassion by wearing a symbol of women’s marginalization and sexual segregation? The most degrading is that this initiative emanates from women, who wear the veil symbolically for a few hours but who, in so doing, help to normalize misogynistic practices of which women are victim all their life.

Let’s recall some facts. The Islamic veil is not a requirement in the book of Islam, the Quran. It was imposed in Iran after the Islamic Revolution of 1979, and spread in the Arab countries towards the end of the 1980s with the rise of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood organisation, Saudi Wahhabosalafism, and large financing by the petrodollars of the Saudi Monarchy and Gulf countries. The Islamic or Islamist Veil is associated with political Islam, and represents its means of proselytizing and its the most effective Territorial Marker.

There is no need to discuss the abuses committed by the various Islamist factions around the world, to impose their vision of an Islam full of hate and ressentment. Algerian women who have experienced the atrocities of a war waged by Islamists against civilians, many of whom were murdered because they refused to wear veils, are now marching in the streets of Algeria for demanding Democratic rule in their country, but also Equal Rights, Emancipation of women and the repeal of the Code de la famille, a set of social rules inspired by Sharia law.

How do you reconcile that while Iran lawyer Nasrin Sotoudeh is sentenced to 38 years in prison and 148 whip lashes for defending women who refuse to wear a veil, New Zealanders participate in normalizing the Islamic veil as symbol of Islam?

Madam Prime Minister, we appeal to your sense of responsibility to stop trivializing the veiling of women and girls. As our compatriot Tarek Fatah says, compassion with the fallen Muslims in Christchurch is an absolute duty, whether they are men or women, wearing a veil or not. Consenting to become a living bilboard for this symbol of political Islam is an unconsciousness towards the Islamic agenda.

It is by focusing on Universal Values of freedom and equality, beyond our religious differences and our philosophical convictions, that we can build solidarity between humans.

The Quebec Association of North Africans for Secularism (AQNAL)

Mohand Abdelli, retired engineer
Nora Abdelli, chemical engineer
Radhia Ben Amor, associative activist
Djemila Benhabib, political scientist and writer
Leila Bensalem, high school professor
Nawal Bouchareb, school organization technician at the CSDM
Fares Chargui, doctor of medicine, resident in Psychiatry
Ferid Chikhi, employment Consultant
Yasmina Chouakri, Consultant
Nadia El Mabrouk, professor at the Université de Montréal
Hassiba Idir, manager
Nacer Irid, engineer
Hassan Jamali, retired professor
Ali Kaidi, activist for secularism
Karim Lassel, organizational analyst
Leila Lesbet, special education technician
Nacera Zergane, financial advisor
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March 31, 2019 10:42am
- Tall Man
  
  What an excellent response.
  
  Will she take it on board…….
  
  Not a bloody chance.
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:04am
- Rachael Membery
  
  The more of these views the better, as a feminist, which I believe or PM is, it seems counter to what I believe a feminist should do.
  
  I am amazed that her unmarried motherhood hasn’t been brought up as a thing by Muslims.
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:04am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    She’s only a feminist when it gets her more attention in the MSM.
    She’s only a Muslim when it gets her more attention in the MSM.
    She’s only a #metoo when it gets her more attention in the MSM.
    She’s only a free speech advocate when it gets her more attention in the MSM.
    She’s only a global warming advocate when it gets her more attention in the MSM.
    She’s only a free trade advocate when it gets HER more attention in the MSM.
    Get it now?
    
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    March 31, 2019 5:20pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Are you trying to say that Jacinda likes the attention of the MSM?
      
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      March 31, 2019 9:07pm
- tranquil
  
  @Fletch – “An open Letter to the PM that appears in a Facebook group of secular(?) Muslims. criticizing her wearing the symbol of the oppression of women – …”
  
  **Outstanding!** Great stuff!
  
  At **last**, a group of people has called her out on her sickening virtue-signalling.
  
  I would *love* to see that letter get huge attention in this country but somehow I don’t think that will be the case.
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:26am
- DigNap15
  
  Take that!
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:33am
- Ross12
  
  I have discussed the covering of the head etc. by Muslim women with quite a few people (prior to the ChCh attack !). These people are amazed when I tell them I have seen photos of downtown Kabul in the early 1970s and if you did not know where it was one could easily think it was Hollywood Boulevard –miniskirts etc.
  A little education, as given in that great letter, would go a long way. In not too distant days gone by that letter would have been reprinted in our major newspapers. Now it would / will be censored by the Chief Censor.
  
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  March 31, 2019 12:39pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Like this
    
    https://www.google.com/search?q=kabul+1970s+photos&oq=kabul+1970%27s&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.10551j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
    
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    March 31, 2019 4:11pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I’ve read a contrary opinion about the hijab being required under Sharia law. Can anyone give some authoritative comments please.
  
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  March 31, 2019 1:31pm
  - Twinkletoes
    
    I have a copy of’ the Reliance of the Traveller (Sunni Sharia law) and in it is stated, under “Womens Obligatory Clothing’ that one should be covered, burqa style, when outside of one’s quarters. I can give you the exact words chapter and verse if you are really interested. Most of the women in Christchurch seem to follow this law but there are a few who merely wear a hijab with modest western clothing.
    
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    March 31, 2019 2:08pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    There are various interpretations on what the quran means re women covering their breast with their khimar (Quran 24:31). The khimar was a headscarf and Mohammed wanted women to wrap it over their chests instead of tying it behind the head.
    
    But wondering ‘exactly what does the quran say’ is a poor approach to equal rights. It does allow wife beating (sura 4:34): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-Nisa,_34
    
    It does allow slavery “Slaves are mentioned in at least twenty-nine verses of the Qur’an, most of these are Medinan and refer to the legal status of slaves. The legal material on slavery in the Qur’an is largely restricted to manumission and sexual relations” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery#Principles
    
    All religions need to move on and accept that some rulings are finished, forever.
    
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    March 31, 2019 4:47pm
- freethinker
  
  Jacinda you just had a right royal bollocking.
  
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  March 31, 2019 1:47pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Would like to hear a response from the Muslim women of Christchurch to this letter, it isn’t them that have objected. The Christchurch Muslims have expressed gratitude to Jacinda for her reaction and other women have reacted in the same way with good intention. I don’t think for a moment that Jacinda has done anything other than support the NZ Muslim community, her comment on this would be interesting. Emerges on the same day Hine Elder also ‘instructs’ Nzers as to what rules they must obey when in comes to mourning the Chch deaths. Extraordinary letter.
  
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  March 31, 2019 9:47pm
MickMac

I sure hope our AG has aids who look at MEMRI each and every week both now and in the future whilst he’s rabbiting on about Hate speech.

Do you think he’s apologised to that staffer who was indecently assaulted but he said it was at the low end of offending?

10:52
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/03/muslim_antisemitism_apologies_are_not_enough.html
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March 31, 2019 10:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  surely you meant aides?
  
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  March 31, 2019 11:02am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe not……
    
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    March 31, 2019 11:04am
  - MickMac
    
    yep.
    
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    March 31, 2019 3:27pm
Stars And Stripes

If Ardern had an Air Force jet with a longer range I would not have a problem with her and all the toadies using it for every overseas trip they go on.
If you have got it use it I reckon.
Only proviso is please STFU about climate change.
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March 31, 2019 11:10am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Why couldn’t Winston have gone? or has he gone as well?
  
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  March 31, 2019 4:48pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Not enough time for winnie to NAP and have a meeting, all on the same day.
    
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    March 31, 2019 5:23pm
Maggie Pie

Sitting in the nurse’s station early this morning preparing for handover and caught the PM being interviewed on the 6am news. Asked whether she thort a one day trip to China was worthwhile – her response: “Home is where I’d rather be anyway”

I actually felt for her to to be honset.
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March 31, 2019 11:17am
- alien
  
  thanks for being a nurse.
  
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  March 31, 2019 12:08pm
- secondcumming
  
  So what did your partner reckon? 😎
  
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  March 31, 2019 1:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Still puking would be my guess…..
    
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    March 31, 2019 1:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    When i told him about it just got the typical male response “Ah, stuff’er”
    
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    March 31, 2019 2:26pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Nobody is preventing Cindy from staying home. Just stand aside Cindy from your lofty position as PM-Select and you can spend more time with Neve and what’s his name.
  
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  March 31, 2019 3:24pm
Hugh Pavletich

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

… extract …

… In our view there are three big challenges that have to be addressed:

1. A broken system for financing infrastructure

2. A planning system based on urban containment

3. The failure of governments until now, both local and central, to actively work with the private sector to enable urban growth and expansion.

… concluding …

… I talked about the land banking and speculative economy, and the pressure cooker that has given us some of the most obscenely expensive housing in the world.

These moves are designed to change that. …

… If we do these things we can truly flood the market with development opportunities. We can break the land banking economy, and drive down the cost of urban land.

We can achieve more competitive urban land markets. And industry that is more focused on development and building places of enduring value instead of land banking and speculation.

That is the pathway to more affordable housing, and a systemic fix of the crisis that has caused so much hardship, and sucked so much of our national wealth into residential property instead of the productive economy. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Oliver Hartwich says the rest of Phil Twyford’s housing policy is sufficiently ambitious and radical to solve NZ’s housing problems without recourse to KiwiBuild | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/98884/oliver-hartwich-says-rest-phil-twyfords-housing-policy-sufficiently-ambitious-and
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… National Party Leader and Tauranga MP Simon Bridges soon after the release of the Demographia International Housing Survey Monday 21 January … (video) …

Tauranga world’s eighth most unaffordable housing market | Newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/01/tauranga-world-s-eighth-most-unaffordable-housing-market.html
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… New Zealand The Listener February Editorial …

The KiwiBuild failure should galvanise urgent action on NZ’s housing disaster … Editorial … The Listener

https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/kiwibuild-failure-galvanise-action-nz-housing-disaster/
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Updated February – Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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March 31, 2019 11:24am
- Cobolt24
  
  Nice to hear you’re back! It’s been a little while.
  
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  March 31, 2019 5:58pm
- Cobolt24
  
  AUSTRALIA: Households wealth drops $260b in just three months as debt hits a record 200pc of income… ABC News.
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  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-28/australian-household-wealth-down-260-billion-in-december-quarter/10950242
  
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  March 31, 2019 6:17pm
Fletch

Pro-Brexit march brings London to a standstill…

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8750077/thousands-of-pro-brexit-protesters-shut-down-westminster-on-what-should-have-been-our-independence-day/
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March 31, 2019 11:31am
- freethinker
  
  Just watched spem you tube videos of Nigel Farage interviews. Nigel would not label the Politicians as traitors but did point out that Mays deal is actually a new treaty with the EU and its provisions are actually worse for the UK than as a member. Nigel also pointed out that Mar 29 was leave day with or without an new treaty and questions if the delay does override the referendum result which if it does means Parliament is supreme not its citizens and the French tell that didn’t work out too well 1789-1799 when many Elites had their heads removed from their shoulders. Micron should take note.
  
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  March 31, 2019 1:56pm
The King

‘Europe is NOT white!’ says African woman running for European elections.

https://www.defendevropa.com/2019/news/europe-is-not-white-says-african-woman-running-for-european-elections/
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March 31, 2019 11:32am
- The
  
  Now, that’d be ok if she were to say Africa is not black but would she consider that acceptable? I’d doubt it.
  
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  March 31, 2019 6:04pm
Rob2

Gareth Morgan quits The Opportunities Party

Good.

“It seems that politics is too similar to herding cats for his liking, and he can’t wait to sink his claws into his many other interests,” Simmons said in a statement.

At the 2017 election, The Opportunities Party secured 2.4 per cent of the party vote.

“Dr Morgan started the party in 2016 to contest the 2017 election. His no-nonsense style and innovative, well-researched policy attracted followers from all ages,” Simmons said.

The party still planned to contest the 2020 election.

Morgan has poured an estimated $2 million into the party to contest the 2017 election.

His comments have courted controversy including referring to Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern as “lipstick on a pig”,

Best thing he ever said and its proven correct.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12217845
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March 31, 2019 11:45am
- Ross12
  
  There has obviously been a major falling out with Simmons -some veiled, nasty digs there. Not sure there will be any more money flowing TOPS way after that.
  
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  March 31, 2019 12:43pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    No lipstick lost?
    
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    March 31, 2019 5:57pm
JimBobJoe

Hmmm….. being a gang member is aok… and the Rebels are just a bunch of guys who like motorcycles, girls and beer…. and its only a few members who do crime……

What is the media playing at? providing a platform for promoting a gang members book….Glorifying Gangs and Gang Members – no wonder journos are viewed so poorly

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203254
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March 31, 2019 12:39pm
- The King
  
  When the hunt for the evil White man begins the journos will feed names and address to gang members. The exact same thing is happening in America, journalists like Luke Obrien and Michael Hayden give info to Antifa and they carry out attacks.
  
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  March 31, 2019 1:15pm
  - sooty
    
    Why do you think Matt Nippert is wanting names!
    It’s so his name is not on the list, silly!
    
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    March 31, 2019 7:22pm
- kowtow
  
  Time for any decent law abiding New Zealander to make a stand.
  If you subscribe to a rag romanticising organised crime , time to give it up.
  
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  March 31, 2019 3:24pm
- simpleton1
  
  Butter does not melt.
  
  Over almost three decades, Shane Martin has compiled a significant criminal history in Australia and New Zealand.
  In Australia, he received a two-month prison sentence, suspended for 12 months, in 2004 for aiding and abetting in ecstasy trafficking and was fined for drug possession.
  
  Across the Tasman, his past charges include unlawful assault, burglary, armed with intent and drug offences – a record dating back to 1990. https://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/afl/2017/09/26/dustin-martins-father-deserves-no-sympathy/
  
  Unlawful assaults? Armed with intent? Did he have gun licence? Was the gun legal?
  
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  March 31, 2019 5:15pm
secondcumming

For all of you here who wish to have your say about proposed changes
to the *Firearms Act*….please take the time to complete the Petition.

More than 20 thousand license holders have to date.

https://mailchi.mp/guncity/whatyoucando-322999?e=d85f4115bb
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March 31, 2019 1:38pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I assume you provide a Firearms licence number? It specifies the gun fraternity.
  
  Non firearms licence holders would show support too if there was one set up.
  
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  March 31, 2019 2:13pm
  - stinkypete
    
    No just e mail and name anyone can sign
    
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    March 31, 2019 6:34pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Thanks they should stop putting references to firearms holders in the information and add that it it is also for the wider public.
      
      Anyone interested in property rights should take an interest in my opinion.
      
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      March 31, 2019 9:02pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I have signed one of the petitions and I don’t have a firearm or a license, although I am tempted now to go and get one, just as a big “Fuck You” to the COL.
    
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    March 31, 2019 6:37pm
mark15

A cat licence
B cat licence
C cat licence
E cat licence
F cat licence and the new
G cat licence
Only for cuzzies.
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March 31, 2019 1:42pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Alley cat?
  
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  March 31, 2019 4:03pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  What does ‘cuzzies’ mean? It’s obviously not a derogatory ethnic slur, or it would not have got through moderation.
  
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  March 31, 2019 6:18pm
  - mark15
    
    Same as ‘tedious prick’
    
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    March 31, 2019 7:42pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oh dear, resorting to personal abuse.
      Please remember the comments policy, moderators:
      
      I want arguments attacked, not people. As an example it will be unacceptable to call someone a moron, but it will be acceptable to say their argument is moronic
      
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      March 31, 2019 8:11pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh goodness, was that aimed at you?..
        
        I thought mark15 was just providing a definition for cuzzies… you know… a close friend or family member
        https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/cuzzie
        
        (and how many of us haven’t thought that a family member is tedious prick at times?)
        
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        March 31, 2019 8:20pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So…
        
        Your post is the same as would be posted by a “tedious prick”….
        
        Better?
        
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        March 31, 2019 8:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sure, Maggy.
        
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        March 31, 2019 9:15pm
Tall Man

“And now for something completely different”….

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/385978/mystery-of-garfield-phones-on-beach-finally-solved-after-35-years

I for one am massively relieved the “source” has been located 🙂
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March 31, 2019 2:24pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Thanks TM. Now that mystery has been solved I’ll finally be able to sleep again! ?
  
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  March 31, 2019 3:44pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Yes, the container now empty, it has only taken 35 years.
  
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  March 31, 2019 4:02pm
JibberJabber

LoL, good luck with that, Bud.
https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/03/muslim-leader-wants-spanish-king-to-apologise-for-defeating-islam-in-1492/

It might probably pay to learn the lessons of history, don`t dish it out if you can`t take a return of serve.
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March 31, 2019 3:43pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I’ve been to Gibraltar and southern Spain.
  Seen those Moorish forts and castles, built after the Moors invaded Slain.
  So they were illegal immigrants then too.
  Looks like Spain did a Donald Trump their ass.
  
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  March 31, 2019 5:14pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    If you were that pissed off by the Moorish conquest of the Visigothic kingdoms in the eighth century, I can only imagine the extreme outrage you must have felt when considering the sack of Constantinople in 1204, let alone the sack of Rome in 1527.
    
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    March 31, 2019 6:31pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Well, I’m pretty irate about the conquest of Constantinople in 1453 where the Turks took over the former territories of the Eastern Roman Empire. And they went on only to be stopped at the walls of Vienna (twice) and at the island of Malta in 1565.
      
      And worth noting that at the time of the Crusades, Palestine had been Arabic/Moslem controlled approximately half the time that it had been Christian before that. So the Crusades were less an outright conquest and more an attempt to recover territory lost previously.
      
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      March 31, 2019 10:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Bloggers and secret evidence in a closed court
‘Secret’ evidence in closed hearing – how police want to defend access of blogger’s details without a legal warrant
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12217894

Great that we live in open and transparent times.
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March 31, 2019 3:59pm
- alien
  
  waste of time, chances are slatter released his rubbish himself in a bid to get free publicity for his blog. that or his wife as pay back for his cheating on her.
  
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  March 31, 2019 4:08pm
MrTips

Whatever your stance on euthanasia, this piece of head in sand politics from Seymour is right up there with flat earthers. https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/majority-of-submissions-against-bill-to-legalise-euthanasia/ar-BBVr5XH?li=BBSVtLJ&ocid=mailsignout

Mr Seymour, your “silent majority” doesn’t exist if they can’t be bothered submitting to the select committee for it. 90% is staggering.
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March 31, 2019 4:20pm
- waikatogirl
  
  “The Care Alliance, which represents some groups opposed to euthanasia, analysed the nearly 38,000 submissions made to the Justice Select Committee on the End of Life Choice Bill.”
  
  The “silent majority” isn’t supported by large groups to organise those opposed, nor the backing of the Vatican behind them.
  
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  March 31, 2019 4:50pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    That meant to read:
    The “silent majority” isn’t supported by large groups to organise those for the end of life bill, nor the backing of the Vatican behind them like those opposed.
    
    What Stars says below.
    
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    March 31, 2019 5:28pm
Stars And Stripes

Seriously?
Every conscience issue which indirectly involves religion in NZ gets a flood of submissions organised by churches and religious pressure groups which massively skews the % for and against the proposal.
The non religious rest of the country saves their breath for referendum day.
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March 31, 2019 4:57pm
- nasska
  
  The harp polishers hand out form letters that the sheep don’t even have to put a stamp on to post.
  Then a few months later we are regaled with stories of “massive support” for the Godnutters’ position.
  
  Surely even the Select Committees see the scam for what it is.
  
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  March 31, 2019 6:00pm
  - calendar girl
    
    So they’re better organised than their opponents. Under what legal / constitutional process should Select Committees be encouraged to discount their written submissions?
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:36pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Any controversial issue before a select committee sees a massive surge in submissions from the groups and individuals most outraged by the likely change.
  But another excellent example of Seymour’s tin ear.
  
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  March 31, 2019 6:13pm
  - nasska
    
    I can well imagine but the implications disturb me. It is my opinion that form letters should be consigned unread & ignored to the parliamentary lavatories where, depending on the grade of paper, their true value may be demonstrated. If a petitioner is so pig ignorant that they can’t pen something original then surely their input is without merit.
    
    Do you know whether the select committees take any notice of the garbage?
    
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    March 31, 2019 7:01pm
  - James Stephenson
    
    Isn’t it great to have a politician who is prepared to take the principled position and advocate for it, rather than the choosing between the popular position or dodging arguing for the ideological one?
    
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    March 31, 2019 7:53pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Do we still have organised Christian religion in NZ? I am glad to hear it.
  
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  March 31, 2019 7:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Yes but don’t mention it as it is offensive to female politicians who need to condem it for “likes”…
    
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    March 31, 2019 8:30pm
- Overworked
  
  We also get inundated by anti-assisted-dying articles in the press by or featuring Catholic doctors who claim to speak on behalf of all doctors in NZ, who imo misrepresent the extent to which current palliative care is fully effective and who also fail to disclose their Catholicism.
  
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  March 31, 2019 8:27pm
Monique Watson

What a load of BS about The PM returning to NZ early,shortening her trip to China because of Christchurch.
She’s hightailing it back to a friendly media gallery and Question Time on Tues.
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March 31, 2019 6:36pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Prevailing opinion on Kiwiblog is that she gets hammered by Bridges at question time, so your theory seems unlikely.
  
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  March 31, 2019 6:56pm
  - nasska
    
    Get a grip Mike. The Prime Minister could fail to remember her own name or work out who defecated in her underwear while shouting aimlessly at cameramen & passers by when wearing only one shoe.
    
    Yet the biased hacks of the media would describe her as kind & at the peak of her game!
    
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    March 31, 2019 8:00pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Aljazeera found a few folks who aren’t buying into the Jacinda Hype (from 5 min)
      https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/listeningpost/2019/03/christchurch-attacks-islamophobia-media-190325065208420.html
      
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      March 31, 2019 8:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Still a fair bit of bleating about “protecting muslims”.
        
        I have travelled extensively throughout the world and still do when the boss lets me.
        
        I have seen and experienced many “racial” enclaves in almost every country.
        
        Singapore has “Arab street” , “little India, Sydney, San Francisco and so on…have a Chinatown.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinatowns
        
        I also know for a fact that many of those cities historically persecuted Chinese yet I wonder how many have “enshrined” protective legislation to “protect” them.
        
        Surely the laws we have in place provide protection for all if applied. As we have already seen, race based legislation leads to more seperation and not unity.
        
        Let’s not do this.
        
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        April 1, 2019 10:15am
  - calendar girl
    
    That’s if she turns up. Jet-lag, you know.
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:39pm
sooty

Hello, hello! Whinneys awake!
He’s objecting to Brunei bringing in the new laws to stone the people!
He wont get an invite there now!
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March 31, 2019 6:48pm
ex-golfer

So the Australian nutter being held in prison after a mass shooting is complaining about a loss of entitlements whilst incarcerated.
Comments follow saying he shouldn’t have any entitlements and should “rot in hell”.
Interesting.
Do I hold my breath waiting for comment from The Howard League? Kim Workman? Golriz G? Andrew Little? Kelvin Davis?
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March 31, 2019 7:03pm
rightoverlabour

1 April – April Fools – day and the introduction of new leave legislation around domestic abuse. Every Husband immediately qualifies – this is one of the definitions:
“emotional or psychological abuse – putting you down, always criticising
you or calling you names, playing mind games, making you think you’re
going crazy.”
If there was ever a bit of employment legislation that is badly drafted and open to serious abuse, this is it. Fucking useless COL.
I abhor domestic violence, but this legislation is crazy.
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March 31, 2019 7:34pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Just another excuse for a few days off at the employer’s expense. And the genuine cases will get marginalised.
  
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  March 31, 2019 7:59pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    How did you enjoy being quoted on the Mediawatch programme, Captain?
    
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    March 31, 2019 9:14pm
The Heat

I’m not really certain what this tortured article is saying, but I do have a question: should only one racial group “get out of the way”?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111582476/wellmeaning-pkeh-you-must-get-out-of-the-way-of-the-muslim-communitys-healing
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March 31, 2019 9:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  As your “mind doctor” I prescribe no looking at stuff for 21 days.
  
  Will this stupidity settle down?
  
  Look at mikey’s comments to see what a sector of NZ believes.
  
  They are disconnected from the realities of an economy and the people needed to fuel that economy and make a country what it is.
  
  The current path seems destined to turn as many as possible into state recipients either through direct benefits or subsidies. To do this they need a massive and inefficient tax base and they will do that whatever the real cost.
  
  It is also neccessry to “divide” the country and in this task they are doing very very well.
  
  Have you ever seen so much division between the races, the income divide and pitting citizens against immigrants. As a united country we could sweep these arseholes into the sea in 2020 but by continually fomenting “division” they hope to return in 2020 and keep grinding our country into a left wing paradise…….all in the mind.
  
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  April 1, 2019 10:03am
rightoverlabour

I see spring is arriving in the UK and USA with warmer weather… NOT… Checkout both forecasts.. Global warming has, I believe, come and gone..
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March 31, 2019 9:47pm
Rob2

I see that Hooton has taken over from DPF.

Hooton fomenting happy mischief.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12219407
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