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srylands

I don’t understand why the New Zealand media is dazzled by Eminem. He is a misogynistic rap singer with a criminal record for assault.

Here are some typical lyrics :

“They ain’t say I can’t rap about coke no more
Slut, you think I won’t choke no whore
Til the vocal cords don’t work in her throat no more?!”

Now if that is your genre then fine. Music is a personal thing. My puzzlement is specifically about how the New Zealand media, that castigated New Zealand law firms for their treatment of women under the #Me too wave, reconciles its breathless and unquestioning reporting of this guy?
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March 3, 2019 8:00am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep and on the radio yesterday it was reported that some 400 charges have already been laid under the new choking/strangling criminal behaviour legislation.
  Eminem would also no doubt have been really impressed with the Labour led rap re killing John Key and raping his daughter.
  All class these socialists eh.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:16am
  - KevOB
    
    Are the Police now manufacturing charges?
    
    How is it possible for 400 choking/strangling charges to be possible in such a short time?
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:20am
    - Tricati
      
      #meto
      
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      March 3, 2019 9:22am
      - sooty
        
        Are the ferals out of control?
        
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        March 3, 2019 9:49am
    - Niz
      
      Was choking/strangulation legal before?
      
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      March 3, 2019 10:26am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No, but it wasn’t treated as a separate/distinct offence.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109044467/strangulation-criminalised-under-new-law
        
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        March 3, 2019 10:36am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Simple. police reports would have indicated that a number of domestic assaults involved strangulation which could not meet the threshold for Attempted Murder, but placed the assault above common assault.
      
      I imagine a great number of these assaults involved strangulation before, and had this option been available, there would have been just as many charges.
      
      What I do not agree with is the media presenting these numbers as evidence the problem is getting worse. It’s a problem that has existed for some time, and is perpetrated by both genders.
      
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      March 3, 2019 11:01am
- G152
  
  I find with rap that the C is silent
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:24am
- Longknives
  
  Yep.
  And to think Al and Tipper Gore tried to ban rock and heavy metal music a few years ago because it was ‘corrupting kids’!
  Yet they are deathly silent on the abomination against music that is ‘Hip Hop’ (which usually promotes violence against ‘bitches and hos’)- I wonder why??
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:37am
  - srylands
    
    So serious question…
    I could explain the media infatuation with Eminem on the basis that journalists are just plain stupid. So they don’t have the ability to reconcile this adoration with their recent attacks on law firms for misogyny.
    
    But it seems that large numbers of feminist, left wing folk are fans of Eminem. How does that work?
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:53am
    - dubya
      
      He’s anti-Trump. So probably the old my enemy’s enemy is my friend…
      
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      March 3, 2019 9:45am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Perhaps they are there in support of him suing National?
      
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      March 3, 2019 6:57pm
  - 3-coil
    
    It was a beautiful evening out in my old stomping ground Wellington last night. Weather was great, the town was throbbing with crowds of happy people..lots of touring music acts performing (Eminem, the Hollies, John Prine) – lucky we chose the right one! ?
    
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    March 3, 2019 9:57am
- The Virgin
  
  I agree Syrlands, I posted a similar comment on Stuff last night and it was initially published then deleted. Have republished today as it highlights the hypocrisy of the left wing snowflake journos.
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:19am
- Awww C-mon
  
  I’m an Marshall Mathers-Eminem fan, enjoy his music immensely.
  In saying that I agree with your post 100%.
  
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  March 3, 2019 11:32am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s a little bit similar to what some critics are saying about Neverland. Can you enjoy Michael Jackson’s music and separate that from your natural disgust and revulsion at the inhuman creature he was?
    How do we separate the art from the artist? Can we enjoy a song, a book, a film without endorsing the sentiments expressed by the author?
    
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    March 3, 2019 11:54am
    - JibberJabber
      
      I`m kinda gutted I can`t enjoy Gary Glitter Glam rock anymore, but there`s always The Sweet so it`s not all bad.
      
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      March 3, 2019 12:10pm
    - srylands
      
      I can’t enjoy a song about killing women. I just can’t. I like women. Well most of them. Well quite a lot of them.
      
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      March 3, 2019 12:11pm
    - Jack5
      
      Can we enjoy Vincent van Gogh’s magnificent painting, The Starry Night, or his great works, Irises or Almond Blossoms, without thinking of his ear or scratching our own? Yes.
      
      Can we look at van Gogh’s self-portrait without thinking of his other ear and perhaps feeling a tingle in our own? No.
      
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      March 3, 2019 3:21pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Aren’t they the same thing where Eminem is concerned?
      
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      March 3, 2019 7:00pm
- niggly
  
  Eminem would be treated like royalty in celebrity circles and no doubt revered due to his “street cred” and brand of music etc.
  
  So wonder if Jacinda managed to make it to the concert, surely Clarke would wanna be there, all those A-listers and all etc, would the MSM be asking and whether she was there or not what does she think of Eminem’s lyrics – is the guy a misogynous thug that one shouldn’t be seen with or what?
  
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  March 3, 2019 11:33am
- dime
  
  did you miss the memo? black culture & rap culture are all good.
  
  they can be as crass as they want. no worries.
  
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  March 3, 2019 12:25pm
duggledog

I think we all understand that the Capital Gains Tax (or Caucasian Gains Tax as it is now popularly known, because the Maoris certainly won’t be paying any white man’s tax) is deliberately set high – so Thick Cindy can ride in on a white horse and slay the dragons.

And heroically make the contributions much less… but still let the CGT genie out of the bottle – so next time, they can jack it up.

But I think the whole debate (or ‘conversation’ as she likes to call these things) is going to bite Jacinda on the ass big time.

By the time she pulls the pin and ‘listens to the voters’, many of them in the centre will be mightily pissed off, not relieved. I expect them to punish her at the ballot box because:

1: They will realize the point made above or
2: They will think she wasted a lot of money for no reason or
3: They will think she is deeply untrustworthy or
4: They will have been frightened to death for no apparent reason.

This last point is the worst for Cindy, because there are an awful lot of older folks who think the assets they want to leave to their kids will be raped, or their share portfolio that is there to give them a bit more to come and go on in their retirement will be raped.

Ardern = Momo
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March 3, 2019 8:00am
- fernglas
  
  2,900,000 Kiwisavers is a lot of people to piss off.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:02am
- MT_Tinman
  
  I doubt the “centre” voters will realise much at all.
  
  They (the “centre” voters) proved in 2017 that they are bloody stupid, have proved in polls since that that stupidity is a permanent state for most and will continue to vote for the talking head the slime puts on their TV and computer screens every day no matter how totally unfit for purpose it is.
  
  Until the extra taxes actually hits them in the ass, hard, the useless bastards won’t think at all and will continue the reign of the current horror.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    until the extra taxes actually hits them in the ass
    
    But how many people would be affected by a tax on donkeys?
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:16am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      It’s no good pretending to be a “centre” voter mm, we know better.
      
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      March 3, 2019 8:28am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        There are a few others tying to pull the Brer Rabbit trick
        
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        March 3, 2019 8:54am
      - dime
        
        he told me last year he was a “democratic socialist” lol just another authoritarian who thinks he will get a seat the table.. reality – camp for you.
        
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        March 3, 2019 12:27pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Very witty of you, mma.
      
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      March 3, 2019 9:41am
      - SGA
        
        Seemed to “swoosh” past a couple of commentators 🙂
        
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        March 3, 2019 10:16am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Actually, the center vote not only continued to vote for the center and center right in 2017, but actually did so in larger numbers than 2014. In fact nearly 21000 more.
    
    The left vote was mobilised and Labours and rose from 604535 to 956184.
    
    The Green vote dropped by 100000 and NZ First by about 20000.
    
    The Center did not change their vote, it’s just that the left showed up, and Winston handed them the keys.
    
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    March 3, 2019 11:31am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      slightlyrighty, you are wrong.
      
      Actually the “centre” vote did not continue to vote for the center and center right in 2017, it went to the charlatan from St Mary’s Bay – neither centre nor right (in any sense of the word).
      
      Now it has, according to the polls, gone to the worst, most corrupt and (thankfully) incompetent bunch of clowns ever to disgrace the Government benches in New Zealand.
      
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      March 3, 2019 1:19pm
      - slightlyrighty
        
        in 2014, National got 1,131,501 votes. In 2017, National got 1,152,075 votes.
        
        Questions that should be asked are Where did the 92000 Conservative Party Votes go? They dropped from 95000 to 3000
        
        TOP went from zero to 62000.
        
        The best case scenario is that the conservatives either stayed away, or went to National.
        
        NZ First went from 208000 to 186000, so I don’t think the center right went there.
        
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        March 3, 2019 2:56pm
- Chris R
  
  Very well put. I remember the insane clarion calls from the left about the huge cost of JK’s flag debate. Never mind the debate was commenced by Clark. Let’s ask how much the TWG has cost NZ taxpayers when it appears it is essentially a glamour project for the vile wealth-hating Cullen which will be deliberately wound back to exhibit Ardern being “fair!” I detest the Coalition.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:31am
  - sooty
    
    What about the rest of the 200 working groups and $250 million to run them?
    Nine long years, sitting on their arse, eating pies
    
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    March 3, 2019 9:55am
    - ztev
      
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      These were the reviews started back in Dec 08 for the first 6 months ( same criteria as from 2017)
      Review of Customer Guarantees Act to cover vehicles through online tender
      Review of Import health standard for horses
      Taskforce to speed up emergency departments
      Investigation into load bearing timber frames
      Windfarm Board of Inquiry
      Planning for new police
      Overhaul of RMA & Aquaculture
      RMA Technical Advisory Group
      Taxi Industry Safety review
      Criminal Procedure (Simplification) Project
      NCEA standards review
      Review the Sentencing Act as it relates to violent crimes against children
      Ministerial Inquiry into the disclosure of the funding shortfall in ACC’s Non-Earners Account
      select committee to review the Emissions Trading Scheme
      Auditor General initiate an inquiry into the Ministry of Education school bus transport tendering process
      Regulatory review programme to identify and remove inefficient and superfluous regulation
      Review ECE regulations
      Prisoner Classification
      report on Waterview alternatives
      Ministerial Group to advise on improving the quality and performance of the public health system
      Enabling Territorial Authorities Act 2008 to be reviewed
      Ministerial Committee on Disability Issues
      Property Managers Review
      Review of the Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill
      MSD review loan shark advice
      State Services Commissioner to establish failings into the management of offenders on parole.
      Prime Ministers Summit on Employment
      Ministerial Working Party on Electricity
      Methane emissions workshop
      Pacific Division Review
      Review of red tape and unnecessary bureaucracy
      Ministerial panel to review the Foreshore and Seabed Act
      Review Building Act
      Overseas Investment Act review
      Fisheries 2030
      Review of improvements that can be made to the administration of student loans and PAYE.
      Review into the Securities Act
      Review of section 92A of the Copyright Act 1994
      6 Job Summit Work Streams
      Drinking Water standards
      Local Government Act
      Nursing Council review
      investigate finfish and oyster farming opportunities in Northland
      Blue Cod Management Group
      Joint work programme to support rural GP’s.
      Regulatory Responsibility Taskforce
      Expert panel to oversee probation
      Review of legal aid
      review into electoral finance reform
      Technical Advisory Group advising on Electricity Market
      National Standards Reference Group
      National hui to progress Treaty settlement goal
      New Zealand and Japan are establishing a joint Officials Group
      Expert Panel on Veterans’ Health
      Maori reference group to develop a programme of action into Family Violence
      Defence Review
      Review of business assistance
      National Community Organisation Grants Scheme Committee
      Taxi Industry Safety
      Department of Corrections to review its policy into Razor Blades
      Auckland Social Policy Forum
      Ministerial Committee on Disability Issues
      Maori Advisory Committee to advise the Commissioner of Patents
      Review interface issues between the Historic Places Act and the Resource Management Act
      Review of how designations work under the RMA
      Tax Working Group
      Review of Māori Television Service Act
      Commissioner for Financial Advisers appointed
      Pig farm investigation
      Chief Science Advisor
      review of the 2005 Code of Welfare for pigs
      National Infrastructure Advisory Board
      Auckland Transition Agency
      Holidays Act Review
      Panel to help improve access to high cost medicines
      
      All the details from beehive.govt.nz at the time
      
      Its not $250 mill for current period, as a few like the Royal Commision on Child abuse in State care take large amounts, the rest are mostly cost of cream buns
      
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      March 3, 2019 11:09am
      - niggly
        
        Boy oh boy has Fraser House been busy compiling lists and passing them on!
        
        Anyway these tend to look like quite sensible things, unlike the COL’s hundreds of reviews of the bleeding obvious or repeats of previous reviews, stop screwing over the taxpayers you leftie leaches!
        
        And where’s the COL’s review of the O&G industry Mr Squirel, why was that one not undertaken when that has the most dramtic impact on the country’s economy long term and the people’s ability to pay for rising energy costs and imports?
        
        Why is Jacinda, James, Megan, Shane and Winston setting up processes to make future Kiwi’s increasingly energy-poor (and for no real impact on mitigating global “climate change”)?
        
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        March 3, 2019 11:42am
  - SGA
    
    Never mind the debate was commenced by Clark
    
    Really? My memory is that it has bubbled along for decades – a quick look at Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_flag_debate
    In November 1979, the Minister of Internal Affairs, Allan Highet, suggested that the design of the flag should be changed, and sought an artist to design a new flag with a silver fern on the fly. The proposal attracted little support.
    In 1988, Minister of Foreign Affairs Russell Marshall made a call for a flag change, which also had little effect.
    In February 1992, the former Minister of Māori Affairs, Matiu Rata, called for a flag change “to re-establish our national identity”.
    In 1998, Prime Minister Jenny Shipley backed Cultural Affairs Minister Marie Hasler’s call for the flag to be changed.
    
    Oddly, Clark’s name doesn’t appear in that Wikipedia entry, but that could just be vagaries of the source. Whatever, it’s probably unfair to try and saddle her with all the blame in this instance. Moreover, Key seemed genuinely keen on the idea in his own right.
    
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    March 3, 2019 10:25am
    - Chris R
      
      In 2004 Helen Clark spoke at a business seminar I attended at a hotel in Wellington. The topic was republicanism and she stated inter-alia that NZ’s flag would be changed….not that it might be changed or that it would be up for debate but that it would be changed as a step on the road. In hindsight JK was unwise to pick-up that particular baton.
      
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      March 3, 2019 10:41am
      - SGA
        
        Fine, but she hardly started that debate – it’s been around for a while (which was my main point).
        
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        March 3, 2019 10:42am
- Sacha
  
  OK then, if maori aren’t going to pay any white man’s tax, then let white man’s tax be spent on white men, and Maori can look after their own.
  Fair’s fair, after all – isn’t it?
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:56am
  - noskire
    
    But that would be waacist.
    
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    March 3, 2019 12:29pm
- peterwn
  
  Winston could be struggling too. Labour could try to buy him off with another half billion or so and promise of some pro fishing industry legislation.
  Winston’s best bet would be to stare Jacinda in the eye and say ‘no’ even if implosion of COL is possible.
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:33am
  - ztev
    
    Labour had its own Provincial Growth Fund…spending is tracking that amount.. $200 mill over 3 years.. rather than Jones ‘aspirational figure.
    
    Watch national have its own PGF policy next election!
    
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    March 3, 2019 11:12am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Again, I take issue with any suggestion the CoL is likely to implode.
    The Greens have become far too lunatic fringe to countenance working with National, and Peters would find no welcome if he tried crossing the floor.
    
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    March 3, 2019 12:27pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  next poll 2020?
  
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  March 3, 2019 7:03pm
Manolo

Same thing here with Labour’s shift to the left:
https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Centrists-see-a-risk-in-moving-to-the-left-13657033.php
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March 3, 2019 8:02am
JibberJabber

Take a look at Momo (hat tip to Monique) Arderns` vision for NZ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DcWJbsLYo

The Maduro Supermarket.
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March 3, 2019 8:05am
- tf78
  
  I’d be stuffed I don’t like Coke or Ketchup.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:24am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Poor buggers, probably can`t even afford bootleg Rum to go with it.
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:38am
  - waikatogirl
    
    $68.00 for a bottle of ketchup! Socialism works so well.
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:50am
- Monique Watson
  
  I just tweeted it. Shitty death. And that is happening in a lesser fashion in NZ I hear. Products that New Zealand have an abundance of for the population are leaving the shelves because of a combo of petrol and tax and a move to spend on what little ‘luxuries’ can be afforded in a ‘tight’ economy. Fish n chips, cask wine and ‘baccy.
  What’s the cost of bananas I wonder. Imported groceries must be getting expensive.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:27am
  - tf78
    
    Bananas at Countdown are about $2.99/kg – I reckon they’re essential.
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:34am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Now that you ‘hear’ we are running short of essentials, is there any chance of you sending us some food packages?
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:39am
    - Longknives
      
      Morning Mikey!
      You’ve been particularly toxic this weekend mate (I just read your jab at me yesterday)- Is everything okay at home?
      Want to talk about things?
      
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      March 3, 2019 8:43am
      - stigie
        
        Milky is still in a tif with starboard over his mum LK ?
        
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        March 3, 2019 9:23am
      - sooty
        
        It’s mickeys job to be an obnoxious troll. That’s why Labour pay him the big bucks!
        
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        March 3, 2019 9:59am
      - dime
        
        he gets really nasty when labour has a bad week.. which is quite often now.
        
        cant be easy trying to prop up his murderous, failed ideology
        
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        March 3, 2019 12:30pm
howzit

I see the Greens are out doing their thing for the environment by seeking prisoners get to have their say at elections. I’m sure all those housewives in the leafy suburbs who vote for green to do their bit for the environment are super stoked their representatives are fighting such important environmental issues. But it’s ok James Airpoints Shaw is flying the globe chasing climate shadows.
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March 3, 2019 8:08am
- NK
  
  It gets much worse.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12208293
  
  There is a xhange in this bill that threatens our constitution and democracy. This woman is extremely dangerous. She’s a liar; a defender of leaders who commit genocide; and now threatens this wonderful country’s constitution and democratic principles.
  
  And MMP allows it.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:12am
  - Woz
    
    That evil, arrogant, lying woman! A change in the MMP threshold should only be possible by something thoroughly constitutional, such as a plebiscite or a 75% majority, or both. It shouldn’t be for Golly the fucking Wog to propose and post-thick Angry Andy to decide.
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:36am
    - Longknives
      
      A ‘private meeting’ in Angry’s office might persuade him?
      
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      March 3, 2019 8:41am
    - howzit
      
      I think we can safely assume that changes will be made to MMP before the next election to reduce the 5% threshold to 4%.
      
      It can be voted in with the support of the 3 CoL parties and given the need for it to keep both the greens and potentially Winston first in contention I think it’s a safe bet.
      
      It does make it easier for the likes of Conservative etc to get in but still unlikely they will succeed.
      
      I actually prefer the coat tail provision than the 5% one. If you represent your people and win a seat then you deserve to bring your clan with you.
      
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      March 3, 2019 9:00am
      - Pascal
        
        Or do away with the List bullshit. If you can’t convince an electorate to vote for you, what the hell are you doing fronting for the country?
        
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        March 3, 2019 10:15am
      - NK
        
        And I am positive the coattailing provision will go.
        
        This is utterly fascist.
        
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        March 3, 2019 10:30am
      - ztev
        
        Represent the people ?
        Goldsmith pretending he didnt exist other than a name on the ballot….wouldnt turn up to debates etc.
        
        It was a jack up for ACT , that isnt what representing the people is about
        
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        March 3, 2019 10:43am
    - ztev
      
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      “That evil, arrogant, lying woman! A change in the MMP threshold should only be possible by something thoroughly constitutional”
      
      We dont have a constitution… so nothing can ever be constitutional.
      The original MMP Royal Commission recommended 4% , the Major review ( by national …hahahaha) around 2012 recommended 4%
      https://www.elections.org.nz/events/past-events-0/2012-mmp-review/results-mmp-review
      
      But because national alone doesnt like it…..
      
      Fancy that national having a ‘review’ of something while in government
      
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      March 3, 2019 10:47am
      - calendar girl
        
        NZ does have a constitution, ztev, and you should learn a little bit about that before throwing loose, categorical comments to the wind.
        
        My own description would be that NZ’s constitution is not contained in a single, formal document. It comprises a recognised pool of legislative enactments, Parliamentary procedures and conventions, major constitutional enactments of “the old country” pre-NZ’s independence, and precedents set by the highest Courts in this country. Probably, too, the Treaty of Waitangi. But, having written that, I’ve found this source material which is much more authoritative:
        https://gg.govt.nz/office-governor-general/roles-and-functions-governor-general/constitutional-role/constitution
        
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        March 3, 2019 11:58am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I gather she can do a reasonable bourgeois dinner party. But for god’s sake don’t ask her anything about the business world at them.
    A stunning example of the contemporary woke, wannabe celebrity, female politician…
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:46am
    - Woz
      
      Does she serve hamburgers?
      
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      March 3, 2019 8:49am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        More the faux trendy ethnic cuisine I think
        
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        March 3, 2019 8:51am
      - Woz
        
        Slightly better than AOC then.
        
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        March 3, 2019 9:39am
      - sooty
        
        Caterers, son, caterers!
        She can only salt the fush an chups then wrap!
        
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        March 3, 2019 10:03am
      - RF
        
        Woz.
        
        Hamburgers is a major culinary upgrade from fush & chups as there are so many ingredients to put together.
        
        The liar is still perfecting her battered sausages with the assistance of first fish.
        
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        March 3, 2019 1:06pm
DigNap15

We have to keep the pressure on the COL MP’s so that they drop the whole idea of a CGT for good.
We do not want even a watered down version!
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March 3, 2019 8:15am
- septic skeptic
  
  The b st result is that they legislate for one, lose in 2020 and National rip it up along with a whole raft of other stuff. If that happens, my prayers while Winston was deciding who to go with will have been completely answered. I might even start to doubt Atheism.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:40am
  - Jules99
    
    Problem is politicians have a tendency to promise one thing before the election and do something different after. Probably safest to stop it getting that far.
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:50am
- ztev
  
  Watered down ?
  
  national bought in the ‘bright line test’ so that property/assets sold within that time was subject to tax on capital gains
  
  So you are only opposed to a CGT when labour does it ?
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:49am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Don’t you think it should go before the electorate in its entirety?
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:51am
  - sooty
    
    Oh, no!
    It just needs a captains call!
    
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    March 3, 2019 11:39am
thetiedarch

I see a company down in Dunedin will have a collective contract written for it by the courts because they couldn’t agree on wages with their union members (after 6odd years of negotiations).

This is despite the company have about 7 union members in an employee pool of 200.

-Yay-
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March 3, 2019 8:17am
- simpleton1
  
  Precedents to be set by the Union and courts.
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/110981931/employment-court-orders-collective-contract-to-be-drawn-up-for-reluctant-employer
  A minority of union control, to control them all.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:36am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Sounded very Lord of the Rings.
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:59am
- waikatogirl
  
  Jacks Hardware director Martin Dippie said he was disappointed by the court’s decision as there had been agreement on nearly all clauses of the draft collective agreement, with just two outstanding points, one being the level of wages.
  
  “We felt we were making progress,” he said.
  
  “We are currently considering next steps, and look forward to concluding negotiations with First Union soon.”
  
  He noted that only seven of the company’s 200-strong staff were First Union members.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:57am
- ztev
  
  There used by be 38 employees belong to union at the time it started but the employer stalled.
  
  Most are part timers – its a Mitre 10-
  
  You should try Australia where they would have a collective agreement ( minimum conditions) for the whole Mitre 10 chain….. because ?
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:54am
DigNap15

Don’t forget there are two more minimum wage rises coming to sweeten the leftie and swinging voters.
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March 3, 2019 8:17am
- G152
  
  And so those folks with their heightened pay rates are going to become redundant as the businesses cant afford the workforce and more people get onto the dole..
  Brilliant work by the left
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:29am
  - ztev
    
    Minimum wages rose every year since 2008… who made that happen?
    
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    March 3, 2019 10:55am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Wildlife Day, everyone.
And HAPPY WORLD HEARING DAY, too.
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March 3, 2019 8:18am
- waikatogirl
  
  What did you say??? ?
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:24am
- thedavincimode
  
  Pardon?
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:15am
lilman

Am in Wellington for weekend, niece told story at table last night that cindy had a meltdown last week .
Niece works for minister in beehive.
All staffers were talking about it, apparently it was epic.
Pressure , it’s a funny thing.
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March 3, 2019 8:20am
- Huevon
  
  https://youtu.be/xBWmkwaTQ0k
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:09am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    That’s probably exactly what she was like.
    
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    March 3, 2019 9:26am
    - sooty
      
      It ain’t going to be pretty and she ain’t going to the UN!
      
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      March 3, 2019 10:07am
- holysheet
  
  last week? She has at least on a day. Why do you think she avoids parliament as often as she does.
  Must be had getting her regular supply of lawnmowers now.
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:22am
  - sooty
    
    Her minders, send her to the kindys to be with her own IQ group!
    Too much time with the adults’ is not nice for JacnDUH!
    
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    March 3, 2019 10:09am
  - lilman
    
    Yep agreed, but she said her performance later week had her minders scrambling and basically evacuated the floor.
    
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    March 3, 2019 11:28am
- toby1845
  
  You know, in all honesty I would not want to see my worst enemy suffer a breakdown.
  
  In her case, however, I think the whole country – the world, even – needs to see it. The more public and more messy, the better. She is woefully out of her depth, and we are all suffering for her delusions. That includes her most ardent (no pun intended) supporters. There will be a lesson for everyone.
  
  Bring it on.
  
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  March 3, 2019 4:55pm
Maggie Pie

When one of my twitter followers tweeted this pic last nite of the ‘worlds smallest woman with her husband’, i found it just a little distubing. Even my partner had a few questions (which i wont go into here) –

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0fEs_PVYAAl2W2.jpg
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March 3, 2019 8:23am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yep, that is creepy, creepier than the PM in her NGO leadership video
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:33am
- secondcumming
  
  Is her husband wearing a T-shirt advertising a brand of condom?
  
  Asking for a friend……
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:42am
  - Tarquin North
    
    I thought it was Chris Fafoi and Golly G out on a date.
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:58am
KevOB

Who is running the war against Venezuela?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/pence-pompeo-bolton-abrams-venezuelan-war/5669957
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March 3, 2019 8:33am
- mandk
  
  Good question.
  The answer is Maduro.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:50am
- JibberJabber
  
  It`s fairly obvious that Maduro is continuing the war on Venezuelans that was begun by Chavez.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:55am
DigNap15

Ardern thinks that because we are one of the only countries in the OECD without a CGT that we should have one.
That is no justification for a CGT
Why try to make every country the same?
Surely being a standout and different or better is better.
Singapore does a lot of things differently and it is way up there!
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March 3, 2019 8:36am
- Woz
  
  One of the only 13. Out of 35.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:40am
  - Jack5
    
    Woz repeatedly lies that 13 countries in the OECD don’t have a capital gains tax. Three of the 36 member countries do NOT have a CGT.
    
    I say “lie”, because to repeat an erroneous claim repeatedly, ignoring correction, surely counts as a lie.
    
    Switzerland is sometimes cited as not having one, but capital gains taxes and or property transfer taxes are imposed locally in that country, by cantons.
    
    Of those three OECD members without CGT (including NZ), Belgium has a high property transfer tax (10 per cent to 12.5 per cent, depending on whether you are in the French of Flemish regions), and Singapore has a property tax – its details here:
    
    https://www.icompareloan.com/property-tax-singapore/
    
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    March 3, 2019 10:51am
    - ztev
      
      Woz must have worked in the beehive with the last government….
      
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      March 3, 2019 10:58am
      - pentwig
        
        ztev (micky)
        at least he worked and is not an unemployable lawyer and unwanted labour lister
        
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        March 3, 2019 12:03pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      “Of those three OECD members without CGT (including NZ)“
      
      We have one. This is not new information either.
      
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      March 3, 2019 11:45am
      - Jack5
        
        You are right, Aww C-Mon. But it’s extremely lightly applied.
        
        In the part of it that applies to share trading it requires the trader to have intention to trade, and do you know anyone who has that? ?
        
        Anyone who has succumbed to political propaganda and is remotely thinking of relocating a business to CGT-free Belgium if NZ gets a CGT should consider this. Among Belgium’s taxes there is a 32.5% social security tax on Belgian companies, and in addition they have to collect 13.02% of this tax from employees.
        
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        March 3, 2019 11:51am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        We seem to have more of an issue with tax avoidance and tax loopholes than needing an extension to the current laws.
        
        We all know that if people can get around our current laws, they will have even less trouble with the dogs breakfast put forward by the working group.
        
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        March 3, 2019 12:15pm
    - Woz
      
      No lies. It’s all out there on the Internet. Nine OECD countries fully-exempt capital gains income, four more have so many exemptions that it’s effectively zero in most circumstances. Start with the list at taxfoundation.org and go from there. The only lies around here issue from the Beehive.
      
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      March 3, 2019 1:55pm
      - Jack5
        
        DPF and Kokila Patel, please give me leeway to reply to the repeated capital gains tax assertions by Woz. These are demonstrably incorrect. I realise that such a list of links would normally be ruled out on the blog, but this is quiet serious and needs a detailed answer.
        
        Woz, you are misled by the Tax Foundation list that claims 12 countries in the OECD have no capital gains tax. Here are the links that can prove that only three of the 36 OECD members have no CGT, and the three are Singapore, Belgium, and New Zealand.
        
        1. Belgium, correct, but it has a stamp duty on property purchase – 12.5 per cent in the French-speaking parts of Belgium, 10 per cent in the Flemish region.
        
        2. Mexico – the Tax Foundation is wrong. Mexico applies a capital gains tax on residential property of 25% on the gross sales value of the transaction without any deductions or between 1.92% and 35% on thevalue of the gain. (https://www.mexperience.com/the-costs-and-taxes-of-selling-property-in-mexico)
        
        3. Portugal – Tax Foundation wrong. Portugal has a single tax covering income and capital gains.(http://www.properties-in-europe.com/info_portugal_tax.htm)
        
        4. Luxembourg – wrong. Capital gains are taxed as ordinary income tax (https://www.dlapiperintelligence.com/goingglobal/tax/index.html?t=09-capital-gain&c=LU)
        
        5. Austria – wrong. When you make a capital gain, it is added to your assessable income and may significantly increase the tax you need to pay. https://www.ato.gov.au/general/Capital-gains-tax
        
        6. Netherlands – wrong. Capital gains are included in ordinary taxable profits and are taxable under corporation tax. https://www.world.tax/countries/netherlands/netherlands-tax-system.php
        
        7. (South) Korea -wrong. CGT is progressive from 10% to 22% on resident companies. See page 7 of this link: https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/global/Documents/Tax/dttl-tax-koreaguide-2017.pdf
        
        8. Switzerland – wrong. Each canton has its own tax system with income and capital taxes.
        
        9. Greece- wrong. A CGT of 5% to 20% is imposed on sale of property. http://www.greeklawyersonline.gr/greeklawyer/view/estate_taxation/capital_gains_and_vat
        
        10. Slovenia – wrong. Slovenia has a declining CGT that for individuals begins at 25% on property sale, but if you hold it for 20 years, the rate reaches zero per cent. http://worldwide-tax.com/slovenia/slovenia_tax.asp
        
        11. Turkey – wrong. Apart from a 2% land transfer tax, a CGT applies on property sold within five years of purchase. The rate depends on the profit made.
        https://www.propertyturkey.com/buyer-guide/capital-gains-tax-on-sale-of-turkish-property
        
        12. Czech Republic – wrong. Czech companies’ capital gain is taxed as income, and individuals typically pay CGT of 15%/
        http://www.worldwide-tax.com/czech/czech_tax.asp
        
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        March 3, 2019 8:50pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Ideologues determined to follow their Marxist beliefs with no idea on consequences:
  
  Chris Trotter:
  “Within Labour’s caucus there remained a tight little clutch of CGT supporters who simply refused to let the policy go.
  
  That tight little clutch: led by the current Finance Minister, Grant Robertson; which recoils in horror at the very suggestion that Labour should tax the incomes of the very wealthy without mercy; remains absolutely convinced that taxing the local dairy owner’s capital gains will produce nothing but sweetness and light. They’ve run their blue pencils through Inheritance Tax, Land Tax, Financial Transaction Tax and Carbon Tax: but in spite of its emphatic rejection in two successive elections, they continue to give their CGT the big tick. ”
  
  The people of this country are going to be financially disadvantaged if these ideologues push this law through.
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:04am
- JibberJabber
  
  Momo Ardern agreed with international Tax experts that said NZ has a relatively simple and effective taxation system, yet immediately attempts to implement a punitive tax to drive this country into an economic depression so she can impose her communist ideology to save us from ourselves.
  And we are well on the way there without it, I`m in earthmoving and after looking forward to a shitload of work at the end of last season, we`re down by 67% this year and we`re not the only ones, there`s another well known West Auckland contractor who has only one truck working and we are having one of the best summers for a long time.
  So yeah, thanks Momo, a little over a year since you were gifted a country you have broken it.
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:20am
  - waikatogirl
    
    67%. That’s huge. With construction firms going under and earthmoving too, you can be assured there are plenty of other industries hurting out there. It is horrendous what is happening to your business and the economy. The size of that $11b fiscal hole Stephen Joyce was poo-pooed over will be gigantic in a few more months with Grant and Cindy at the controls of the digger.
    
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    March 3, 2019 10:04am
    - mark15
      
      Friend of mine’s in irrigation,says work dropped 60% after the election.
      
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      March 3, 2019 10:11am
      - Jack5
        
        Are water bottlers pinching all the water for export, Mark? ?
        
        Seriously, conversions of sheep and crop farms to dairying, provide much of the irrigation demand in the South Island. Dairying economically justifies the capital cost, the big power bills, and the price of just getting the water.
        
        The conversion rate has fallen steeply, because of poorer dairy outlook, Green demands on pollution, because the better land for dairying has mostly been converted, and because of opposition to conversions in some regions (such as the McKenzie Country).
        
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        March 3, 2019 11:01am
    - Jack5
      
      Waikatogirl, I don’t think that depreciation provisions are abandoned in tax regimes with capital gains tax.
      
      This means construction firms (cranes and so on), and even more earthmoving firms, should see no capital gain in hard times.
      
      However, it becomes interesting if capital value declines can be offset against say, company tax and income tax (for sole businesses), and whether declines can be accumulated for use as offsets in later periods.
      
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      March 3, 2019 11:00am
      - Jack5
        
        Whoops, I’m wrong. Depreciation provisions come into play in offsetting value decline against company or income tax.
        
        However, they do reflect a tax regime’s recognition that values of some assets (of most apart from property) decline.
        
        As an aside, as one of the few Kiwibloggers defending the suggestions/recommendations for a capital gains tax, I admit that my humble personal view does not favour a CGT for NZ. I think property taxes as in Singapore, or transfer taxes as in Belgium (the other two OECD countries with capital gains taxes) would be better for NZ’s economy and NZ’s future.
        
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        March 3, 2019 11:19am
      - Jack5
        
        Here’s a throw-away suggestion for Peters to make him the Brown Knight who can come to Jacinderella’s aid chivalrously and lead the Labour Coalition out of its capital gains tax corner.
        
        Imagine reading this statement at Beehive.govt.nz from the Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister:
        
        “New Zealand First has negotiated an amendment in policy with the Labour Party and the Green Party, under which a Belgium-style property transfer tax will be instituted in New Zealand rather than a capital gains tax.
        
        “This will allow a targeted, precise focus on currently tax-free property transactions and will be a better economic instrument with which to retrim the economy. This will help governments encourage activities, industries, and exports that enable GDP per capita to rise, and it will support a respectable growth rate in GDP adjusted for inflation.”
        
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        March 3, 2019 11:39am
      - Jack5
        
        Edit of my 11.19 post: Belgium and Singapore are the other two OECD countries without capital gains taxes.
        
        Sorry!
        
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        March 3, 2019 12:35pm
      - KevOB
        
        What about capital losses when businesses fail? The want CGT on the home run when there’s a surplus :it only fair for the state to pay out if they lose.
        
        The TWG warned CGT could have repercussions fo the revenue.
        
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        March 3, 2019 12:50pm
      - Jack5
        
        Careful what you wish for, KevOB.
        
        That might lead to Government taxes taking priority for CGT in any company collapse.
        
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        March 3, 2019 1:31pm
- Wired-one
  
  Most of those countries with a CGT also have a far lower corporate tax rate, ours is pretty high at 28%. One could argue not having a CGT is our competitive advantage compared to those other countries. I didn’t see that smug twat Cullen suggest lowering our business tax rates if a CGT is implemented, no he wants to screw them twice. Add to that a $20 minimum wage, businesses must be fuming.
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:49am
  - Jack5
    
    The three members of the OECD without CGT have these company tax rates:
    
    Belgium 34%, Singapore 17%, New Zealand 28%.
    
    For anyone interested in Singapore’s property taxes, here’s where to start:
    
    https://www.iras.gov.sg/IRASHome/Property/Property-owners/Working-out-your-taxes/Property-Tax-Rates-and-Sample-Calculations/
    
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    March 3, 2019 11:15am
notrotsky

Phil Goff…..what a cunt !

ttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12208681
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March 3, 2019 8:42am
- secondcumming
  
  [link not working}……but totally agree.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:47am
  - notrotsky
    
    Sorry try this…
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12208681
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:48am
    - Longknives
      
      Someone has to pay for those ‘Kiwifist’ competitions that Labour seem so heavily into…
      
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      March 3, 2019 8:53am
      - Longknives
        
        Although as a Ratepayer/Taxpayer it feels like it is me that is getting over and stretched…(And Labour do not use lube!)
        
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        March 3, 2019 8:56am
      - sooty
        
        Tell me again why did Phil Goff want to lower the age of consent?
        
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        March 3, 2019 10:12am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  It’s for the people, man
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:50am
- Woz
  
  It’s for your own good, you know.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:51am
  - sooty
    
    That’s why he hosted the fisting compition!
    
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    March 3, 2019 10:14am
    - ztev
      
      Did you have it marked down on your calendar…
      
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      March 3, 2019 10:38am
      - sooty
        
        No! I am sure you will tell us all when you start lubing up ready!
        
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        March 3, 2019 11:29am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        We don’t have to ask if you did.
        
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        March 3, 2019 11:35am
- Jules99
  
  Raise rates but not repeal any of those pesky ‘targeted rates’. I live in one of those areas where I pay for my rubbish to be collected, so they can’t even deliver the basics under budget. I’ve done a few AC surveys and they are pretty much feel good nonsense with no meaningful say in how the money is spent, e.g. Love it, quite like, don’t mind. That is about the range of choices you get. I know via friends that even elected members can’t get anything done – boards stand no chance.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:57am
  - Woz
    
    You need to ink in an additional option and then tick it. “Fucking hate it”.
    
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    March 3, 2019 9:34am
- secondcumming
  
  Come election day, I hope JT gives him a bloody good fisting…… 😎
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:11am
  - MCos
    
    If he wins in three years time everyone on this forum will be saying he’s just as useless as Goff, Brown and whoever was before him, plus Lester, Dalziel etc etc
    
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    March 3, 2019 9:34am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The Mayor is just a puppet for the Council executive.
      If Auckland is truly going to get change, then there needs to be a clean out of Council staff or the Govt has to take power off them.
      
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      March 3, 2019 9:42am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        AoR wants Jacinda Ardern, Winston Peters and James Shaw to govern Auckland directly.
        Are there any other local authorities whose citizens don’t deserve a vote? Your idea has some merit; does thinly populated New Zealand really need anything other than a central government?
        
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        March 3, 2019 9:53am
      - Viking2
        
        time Town was sent packing. That alone would save the ratepayers a bloody fortune.
        He certainly cost us Tauranga ratepayers plenty.
        The next guy Poole, from Wellington was no better.
        
        trough makers.
        
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        March 3, 2019 11:14am
- G152
  
  Dont get within spitting distance of Phil
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:32am
Southern Raider

Goff announces he’s running for mayor again and will be increasing rates!!!
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March 3, 2019 8:54am
- secondcumming
  
  At the risk of sounding like notrosky……what. a. cunt.
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:16am
- MCos
  
  Did he say he’s going to increase rates?
  
  Makes a change from the the thousands of mayoral candidates who say they’re going to make the council more efficient and not increase rates.
  They either don’t win and are not put to the test or win, find out that council spending is an uncontrollable juggernaut and increase rates anyway.
  Happens every time.
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:21am
  - Woz
    
    Sadly you’re right.
    
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    March 3, 2019 9:35am
- DigNap15
  
  Why didn’t he cut down on the number of high paid bureaucrats first.
  They have far more than Brisbane
  I hoep he gets voted out.
  But ist gonna be a threeway
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:22am
- Inandout
  
  Labour voters are like lemmings, so yes I believe it. Many rent so aren’t directly affected and in my opinion only ratepayers should vote locally. I am sure it used to be like that.
  
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  March 3, 2019 11:44am
Monique Watson

Goff and the Coalition have the worst political instinct of any bunch of politicians to ever disgrace the stage. Can’t those muppets figure out that the average Kiwi doesn’t want to pay more? We’re already paying enough with the petrol tax, increased luxuries tax and all those “no new taxes”.
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March 3, 2019 9:07am
- Viking2
  
  You want all the nice things that Helen allowed them to do.
  Get the Nats. to change the Law that allowed that.
  
  Of course that will never happen.
  
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  March 3, 2019 11:16am
MCos

An article about the value of learning other languages.

“ Without it (language skills), they cannot get under the skin of a country and really understand its people.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/01/britain-learning-languages-brexit–education?__twitter_impression=true
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March 3, 2019 9:14am
- Jack5
  
  Yep, English is so predominant at present, in popular culture, in business, in science, in politics.
  
  But the thing is learning languages can be fun, just like maths can be.
  
  The way to go is internet learning: Youtube, the big internet exchange programs where you can talk on Skype with native speakers, the way you can get relatively cheap online tuition from native speakers …
  
  There’s never been a better time to learn foreign languages.
  
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  March 3, 2019 12:22pm
holysheet

BBC Breaking News…… Pakistan have shot down 2 Indian Fighter planes.
In response, India have threatened to bomb the highest populated areas of Pakistan.
London, Birmingham, Bradford, Rochdale and Oldham are currently being evacuated….
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March 3, 2019 9:17am
- JibberJabber
  
  Gotta love the Indian pilots mustache,
  https://www.rt.com/news/452796-indian-pilot-mustasche-pakistan/
  
  The Pakistani pilot was lynched by his own crowd,
  
  https://sputniknews.com/asia/201903021072895717-pakistani-f-16-pilot-lynched/
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:30am
Yvette

Chris Trotter suggests Cullen has “delivered these twerps a CGT of such breadth and bite that only a complete idiot would consider implementing it!”

• In addition to that Robertson has claimed it will be “fiscally neutral’ – so really an exercise in taking from those who already pay the most tax, and giving it to those who regularly get the most handouts.

• All while there are actually surpluses – meaning more tax is coming in than was expected so this new one is probably not needed

• Comment: Capital gains tax – Labour’s four weeks leaves us scared and angry.
It is actually planned to be longer than four weeks, which is not particularly clever planning – Ardern’s uni degree in Communication and PR?
If their presentation of the possibilities so far is an indication of any enactment to follow, we are fucked.

[ And this is all, historically – if you remember – because of arguments over a farm water tax and the uncertainty that produced pre-Election. with Ardern suddenly realising people would not vote for vagueness, so shoved it all sideways into a Tax Working Group that came up with a capital gains tax.
See – it does have an ironically funny side to it, if you are some sort of sick person with a warped sense of humour ]
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March 3, 2019 9:31am
- Prince
  
  Surpluses, and $1,000 more a year from most taxpayers, including pensioners, due to cancelled tax cuts.
  For fewer Health outcomes (as revealed by Stacey Kirk yesterday), Education in crisis and striking teachers, houses that nobody wants, record immigration, oil and gas exploration banned on a whim..and countless other failures.
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:11am
Justitia

@Yvette: what we have are student politicians who are seeking to punish “boomers” for all the perceived injustices they have suffered. A wide-ranging CGT is their prescription for achieving “inter-generational fairness”. They seem to be unaware that the most likely victims will be Gen – Xers and others who are still trying to accumulate a modest amount of “wealth” to provide for security in their later years. It’s a massive own-goal.
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March 3, 2019 9:46am
Woz

“Jacinda Ardern says she’s not about to go on the defensive about the increased strike action under her government.”

Isn’t that essentially the breathtakingly stupid woman’s response to every difficult question?
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March 3, 2019 9:46am
big bruv

A savage attack on Cindy and her corrupt government.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/03/kiwi-notes-6/
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March 3, 2019 10:02am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Wow, that’s telling it like it is!
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:49am
- KevOB
  
  Well said and well deserved.
  
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  March 3, 2019 12:59pm
big bruv

For those who cannot be arsed clicking on the spectator link.

By James Allan

What ScoMo should have said to Jacinda
‘Thank you Prime Minister Ardern for those blunt comments just now in which you publicly indicated that deporting Kiwis from Australia is to your way of thinking ‘corrosive’ to the trans-Tasman relationship. I hadn’t realised this joint press conference was going to be used to make public criticisms of each country’s government’s policies. So let me reply in kind, bluntly and in public, and then perhaps I can air a few matters of New Zealand government policy that I think might also be ‘corrosive’ to our countries’ relationship.

‘On the deportation issue, people on visas who break any serious law will be deported, full stop. If they have under-age children then they will be sent back with their parents. That is our policy. We make no apology for it. Nor should we. You obviously disagree on that point, Ms Ardern, but my government thinks you are wrong. Who knows? If Mr Shorten wins our upcoming election you may get your wish granted.

‘And as you have thought it proper to indulge in the game of publicly denouncing the other country’s government policies, here are a few of New Zealand’s that I think are ‘corrosive’. You Kiwis are complete and total free-riders as far as defence is concerned. You take advantage of Australia and the US because you know that we will come to your aid even though you spend vanishingly little on defence. Worse, your country’s long-standing virtue-signalling on US naval ships – banning nuclear-armed US ships, which means all of them because it’s US military policy not to say whether they are nuclear or not – led to New Zealand being thrown out of the security obligations under the Anzus treaty. You first did this during the Cold War in the mid-1980s, undermining the Americans and with a seeming belief that unilateral disarmament is anything other than stupid. I disagree with that Kiwi move. In fact it was precisely that clear American intent to defend the democratic world, by spending heavily on defence, that led to the fall of the Soviet Union. In my government’s view that was a wholly good thing for the world. I realise that you, as a one-time socialist activist, might have a warmer view of Soviet communism. But you’re wrong. And when you first became Prime Minister back at the end of 2017 and called capitalism a ‘blatant failure’, let me just say that I think you were an idiot. Comments like that are very – how did you put it? – ah yes, they’re ‘corrosive’ to the relations between New Zealand and Australia because in Australia we recognise that capitalism has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty in the last few decades alone. Just look at China and India. Socialism, by contrast, has taken the once-wealthy Venezuela and turned it into an impoverished basket case. Frankly, on matters economic you are clueless, Ms Ardern.

‘I might also take this opportunity, given that you have decided that these diplomatic meetings are in fact an opportunity for you to show off for your home audience back in New Zealand, to make it clear that your public intervention into how we police our borders – I refer to your government’s offer to take a few hundred of those claiming to be refugees from Australia’s offshore detention centres – is making it harder for us to keep our borders secure. If you want to bumper-sticker moralise, do it about something else. Incentives matter and you are weakening the ones that we have put in place to stop the boats. This has resulted in the boats stopping completely, along with the hundreds and hundreds who died coming on those boats.

‘Perhaps a blunter way to make this point is to say that you and your government across the Tasman are not morally superior to me and mine. Indeed, you are classic free-riders whose geography has allowed you to avoid hard decisions. Fine. Lucky you. But have the good graces to shut up about it, at least in public, because Australia is differently situated. If we want your advice we’ll ask for it.

‘Which brings me to how it is that you are even in the position of being New Zealand’s Prime Minister and hence able to stand up here today and sanctimoniously posture and virtue-signal. Of course normally I wouldn’t comment on another country’s domestic affairs, certainly not a democratic one with which we have shared a long and friendly history. But as you have changed the rules of the game, I will play by the new ones. Because let’s be honest: in any sane voting system you wouldn’t be prime minister would you? Your main opponents the National party at the last election in 2017 garnered 44.5 per cent of the vote and your Labour party won 37 per cent. Even with the Green party votes thrown in you did worse. You’re only PM because an embittered former National party politician who set up the New Zealand First party – my fellow Australians can think in terms of Clive Palmer at this point – well, he opted to put you and the Left in power despite it being clear most of his party’s voters were much more conservatively inclined. I suppose we’ll see how that pans out for New Zealand First, or whatever it’s called, at the next election. But basically it required one of the world’s most virulently proportional voting systems to make you PM, a voting system the Americans imposed on Germany after World War II and one in which about half of MPs get into the New Zealand parliament simply because their own party has put them high up on some list drawn up by party insiders. You can even lose at the constituency level and still get a seat because you are good buddies with the insider class of your own party. Frankly, I think that’s ‘corrosive’ of democracy. But of course that’s something for Kiwis to decide and not for me to raise – well, that was what I took the conventions to be before you opted to use this joint press conference to air your views on what you think is and isn’t ‘corrosive’. Now you’ve heard what I think, maybe we can turn to questions from the press?’
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March 3, 2019 10:03am
- ztev
  
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  TL:DR
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:39am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Of course not, a brief synopsis for you and your short attention span, your beloved Momo Ardern gets her bitter and twisted hypocrisy pointed out to her.
    You`re welcome.
    
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    March 3, 2019 10:58am
  - KevOB
    
    Diddums doesn’t like mumsie being told off.
    
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    March 3, 2019 1:00pm
  - Nermal
    
    TS:DT
    
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    March 3, 2019 5:08pm
Yvette

“I am carbon neutral. But, the best thing to do would be to reduce emissions – that’s the main thing you’ve got to do. You can’t just buy your way out of trouble with offsets” – James Shaw, Climate Change Minister, Newshub

To state the obvious – if “you can’t just buy your way out of trouble with offsets”, you can’t defend high international travel expenses by claiming it’s offset by planting trees – so you are not “carbon neutral”.
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March 3, 2019 10:08am
- Albert_Ross
  
  He is an idiot for saying that. If it is cheaper to pay somebody else to reduce their emissions than it is to reduce your own, then paying them is exactly what you should do. Same benefit to the environment for less money, or if you like more benefit to the environment for the same money.
  
  Yet another example of Green ignorance of economics, science, administration and policy doing actual damage not only to other people but also to their own cause.
  
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  March 3, 2019 1:27pm
Fletch

This is scary. Pharmacies are removing common cough medicines from the shelf.

On Monday 25 February the Health Ministry gazetted a reclassification of some commonly used cough mixtures and medicines.

Cough suppressant dextromethorphan, or DXM, is now a prescription medicine, and also restricted, meaning it has to be obtained from a pharmacist rather than off a shelf.

Opium tincture and squill oxymel, also need a prescription. These changes took effect at the moment of gazetting, on Monday.

Pharmacy Today said in an article yesterday that brands affected in the commonly used medicines were Gee’s Linctus, Benadryl, Codral, Coldrex, Dimetapp, Panadol Cold & Flu Relief, Robitussin, Strepsils, Vicks and Your Pharmacy.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/some-commonly-used-cough-medicines-now-need-prescription

So you need a prescription for Vicks, Strepsils, and Gees Linctus now? Are they kidding? My parents, and now myself, have been getting Gees Linctus off the shelf since I can remember. And now you need a prescription? How are people going to be able to afford that? Most people make the best they can of a cold without resorting to going to see the doctor. With winter coming on, just imagine the flood of people going to the doctor this is going to cause?
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March 3, 2019 10:13am
- brett68
  
  A while back when I had a terrible cough which kept we awake for quite a few nights, tried a few different types of syrups but they had practically no effect on my cough.
  
  I spent quite a bit of time looking for some sort of relief, what surprised me is what I read on a few medical sites that OTC cough syrup is pretty much a placebo with no proven benefit.
  You’re pretty much wasting your money
  
  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/07/040706075953.htm
  
  https://www.aafp.org/afp/2008/0701/p52.html
  
  What I did find that worked incredibly well is Fisherman’s Friend
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherman%27s_Friend
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:31am
  - brett68
    
    This was a dry cough.
    
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    March 3, 2019 10:36am
  - JibberJabber
    
    There is only one sure-fire remedy for cold/flu symptoms and it is matured in oaken casks for a minimum of a dozen years, hurts like hell for the first dram, but most definitely worth it in the morning.
    My preferred medicine is a Balvenie Triple Cask, but in reality, there are no bad ones.
    
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    March 3, 2019 2:22pm
- SGA
  
  So you need a prescription for Vicks, Strepsils, and Gees Linctus now? Are they kidding? My parents, and now myself, have been getting Gees Linctus off the shelf since I can remember. And now you need a prescription?
  
  Not necessarily – I’m guessing it just means that it is kept “behind the counter” as it were, and you must talk to a pharmacist before you can purchase it. That’s already the case, I think, with some medications now, especially ones that if bought in sufficient bulk can be refined for illicit drugs.
  
  Someone more knowledgeable can correct me if I am wrong.
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:34am
  - Fletch
    
    Well, it does say –
    
    Opium tincture and squill oxymel, also need a prescription.
    
    Both of those are in Gees Linctus, which, as I said, we always bought off-the-shelf and considered very common. I can’t believe you’d need a prescription now.
    
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    March 3, 2019 10:39am
    - SGA
      
      Let’s see how this plays out, Fletch. My guess at the moment is that the words restricted and prescribed are being used interchangeably in your article. The main thrust is probably to remove these products from supermarket shelves and require a pharmacist’s oversight. That’s my guess, anyway.
      
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      March 3, 2019 10:51am
      - Inandout
        
        SGA, ‘pharmacy only’ means price gauging and no specials. Chemist shops sit just behind animal vets for excessive markups.
        
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        March 3, 2019 11:51am
      - SGA
        
        Well… yeah, that would be my reaction too. But that’s not the issue Fletch and I are discussing if you read carefully.
        
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        March 3, 2019 2:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The reclassification was determined in November by MedSafe’s Medicines Classification Committee which recommended medicines containing opium tincture and squilloxymel be reclassified as prescription only.
        
        https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/several-cough-medicines-no-longer-available-over-counter
        
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        March 3, 2019 5:46pm
      - SGA
        
        Here’s the original proposal from MedSafe, Maggie, with its rationale.
        https://medsafe.govt.nz/profs/class/Agendas/Agen61/62Dextromethorphan.pdf
        If some of this is now prescription only, then they’ve gone beyond this original proposal.
        
        Medsafe therefore requests that Medicines Classification Committee (MCC) considers reclassification of dextromethorphan, opium tincture, squill oxymel and pholcodine containing products to Pharmacist-Only (restricted) medicines. Medsafe considers that a reclassification t0 restricted medicine balances a need for better supervision whilst maintaining access for those who benefit from using these medicines.
        
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        March 3, 2019 6:11pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Chemist markups are Disgusting.
    Check any product like Schooll foot care in the UK versus here and the difference is staggering.
    
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    March 3, 2019 12:06pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Best advice is to shop around. Some out of the way smaller pharmacies don’t all charge main street prices.
      
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      March 3, 2019 12:36pm
      - Jules99
        
        Lots of online options too.
        
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        March 3, 2019 3:39pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    You’ve always had to provide your details to buy Gees Linctus. Has that changed to prescription only now?
    
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    March 3, 2019 4:00pm
- KevOB
  
  Give ’em cannabis instead or let Cindy soothe them to sleep.
  
  I’ll report back when I’ve made up my own remedy. Been working on that as an adjunct to my Rubiton range for a while. The antiseptic is an easy fix but the DXM is a very effective cough suppressant. Winter testing ahead.
  
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  March 3, 2019 1:09pm
  - holysheet
    
    Makes me wonder what Cindy does to get little Neve to sleep. If she screeches at the staff all day, what does she do to Neve or Jethro. Bet he keeps a very low profile at home. When he is at home that is.
    
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    March 3, 2019 2:13pm
- Jules99
  
  It’s been the case for some time that the ones with effective ingredients are prescription only. If I had known that when I came back to NZ in 2011 I would have stocked up on my favourite “Night Nurse” and “Day Nurse”, available off the shelf from Boots and really effective at drying up your nose and helping you get through the day/night. Anyone know the regulations on carrying them in as a passenger? My brother is coming over soon and I might get him to pop a couple of packs in his bags. Is it allowed for ‘own use’?
  
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  March 3, 2019 3:43pm
Maggie Pie

A lot of you will remeber that last month i gave my verdict on the best Supermarket Hot X Buns -with Countdown ones being the winner. Well heres something else i can share you will all luv. Deep fried Hot X Buns with rasberry jam,cream and a dusting of icing sugar. Use frozen bums and deep-fry in vege oil for about 2 mins. Let them cool and cut a slit in them. Fill with cream and a little jam then dust with the icing sugar. Make the cream by lightly beating cold milk, plain instant pudding nix and a few drops of vanilla. They are sooo delish and run rings around any donut you ever had! We bought one of those little zip deep fryers from briscoes last month and itwork great – best $90 we ever spend. ENJOY!
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March 3, 2019 10:18am
- wiseowl
  
  ‘use frozen bums’
  Now that had me thinking.
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:43am
  - secondcumming
    
    Saves having to ‘cut a slit in them’ 😎
    
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    March 3, 2019 11:07am
- Viking2
  
  Oh yea,
  Made thousands of donuts and Hot cross buns. Take the hotcross bun when its proved up and drop them in the donut vat.
  No need for the raspberry as the bun has enough fruit. good spice though is a must and lemon essence.
  Better cooked in a saturated fat like Chefade. Reason being that chefade has a higher boiling point than any of the oils.so seals of the bun/donut without soaking it in oil.
  
  Cream and Icing sugar to finish them off.
  
  25 years since and I can still taste them.
  
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  March 3, 2019 11:23am
- Inandout
  
  The Coronary Units just love your sort of diets. LOL
  
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  March 3, 2019 11:53am
Tauhei Notts

There is still hope for a former Crown Prosecutor.
Like Simon B.
Crown Prosecutor, the roughest horse in the race, won the New Zealand Derby at Ellerslie yesterday. I think Paula Bennett was one of the few punters to bet on it.
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March 3, 2019 10:28am
- peterwn
  
  Winston will not be happy. Could be a preview of 2020 election results.
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:42am
Hugh Pavletich

How much longer do we have to endure the KiwiBuild circus ? …

… essential reading …

Five out of 10 Kiwibuild homes in Wanaka sit empty | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/five-10-kiwibuild-homes-in-wanaka-sit-empty

Wanaka’s housing market is booming and affordable housing is in high demand, so why are five out of 10 KiwiBuild homes are sitting empty?

More than 200 KiwiBuild homes have been earmarked for Wanaka’s Northlake subdivision with the expectation they’ll be built in the next two years.

The original 10 were offered in a ballot, but only five have sold since October. … read more via hyperlink above …
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The KiwiBuild failure should galvanise urgent action on NZ’s housing disaster – EDITORIAL – The Listener

https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/kiwibuild-failure-galvanise-action-nz-housing-disaster/
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… read more … recently updated …

Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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March 3, 2019 10:29am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … AUSTRALIAN UPDATE … AS AUSSIE BECOMES EVEN MORE AFFORDABLE ! …
  
  Property price downturn extending beyond Sydney and Melbourne – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
  
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-01/property-price-downturn-extending-beyond-sydney-and-melbourne/10860806
  
  House price drop extends beyond Sydney and Melbourne as credit crunch bites | Australia news | The Guardian
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/01/house-price-drop-extends-beyond-sydney-and-melbourne-as-credit-crunch-bites
  
  Sydney, Melbourne house price falls accelerated through February … Sydney Morning Herald
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/house-price-falls-in-sydney-and-melbourne-accelerated-through-february-20190301-p5111t.html
  
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  March 3, 2019 10:58am
brett68

Hard to believe but Stuff seems to have reached new levels of wokeness and left wing wankery.

I get the feeling they’re desperately pitching at TVNZ to buy them and hoping the OTT feminism, Climate change and general left wing fawning will swing it for them.

Personally, I hope they go broke and disappear.
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March 3, 2019 10:42am
- Universal Smith
  
  They are well into the realms of absurdity. If I discovered the site today I would assume it was a humorous page like The Onion or the Civilian.
  
  The terrifying thing is many have never seen real news and don’t know what they are looking at. Stuff really is their window on the world. Hence the popularity of that idiot Ardern & Co.
  
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  March 3, 2019 11:34am
  - brett68
    
    The terrifying thing is many have never seen real news and don’t know what they are looking at. Stuff really is their window on the world. Hence the popularity of that idiot Ardern & Co
    
    That’s what is bothering me, important news is hidden,heavily slanted opinion pieces, banality and low IQ dross is front and center.
    
    The fact that this style of news presentation/social manipulation is now across all our media outlets does leave me concerned about the future of NZ.
    
    The media is intentionally trying to dumb people down, for what reason I’m not 100% sure.
    
    Money, the government, the UN, all three? whatever it is, it’s going to dramatically change the way society thinks and operates
    
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    March 3, 2019 12:21pm
- ABS
  
  #metoo
  A feminist agenda to try people in the court of opinion where they’re unable to defend themselves.
  Started because Weinstein who is a darling of the left wing luvvies in Hollywood was a serial molester. Now a valid tool of man hating lesbian feminists to destroy innocent men.
  
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  March 3, 2019 11:53am
- Muttonbird
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Lol. Next post is David Farrar’s copy and paste of National Party embedded scribbler, Stacey Kirk – she writes for Stuff.
  
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  March 3, 2019 12:04pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    You could write a reasoned rebuttal for print Muppetbird, if only you hadn`t eaten all your crayons.
    
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    March 3, 2019 12:19pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      I did rebut it, you fucking clown.
      
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      March 3, 2019 12:22pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        Yeah nah, you`re not at the Standard now, Shit for Brains.
        
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        March 3, 2019 12:25pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Time for your afternoon nap, grave-dodger.
        
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        March 3, 2019 12:28pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        That`s pretty rich coming from a millennial who gets out of bed at midday.
        
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        March 3, 2019 12:39pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        How do clowns do it?
        
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        March 3, 2019 8:28pm
- DigNap15
  
  Stuff do have a lot of reporters.
  They must all be being paid.
  
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  March 3, 2019 12:04pm
DigNap15

Notice there has been hardly any homeless mother with 10 children since Ardern got in.
Notice how the media has stopped attacking the dairy industry for polluting our rivers?
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March 3, 2019 12:03pm
Sacha

So I was doing a wee bit of online reading about wasps/bees and came across this:

Wasps and bees also differ in lifestyle and habits. Honey bee colonies can have populations over 75,000, while wasps’ colonies tend to have fewer than 10,000 individuals. Queen wasps build a nest for their colony, while worker honey bees create and maintain hives. Unlike most wasps that hibernate during the winter season and build a new nest the following autumn, honey bees do not hibernate, as they live on food reserves and heat accumulated by thousands of workers. Wasp species cannot produce honey, but all species of honey bees are capable of producing and storing sizeable amounts of honey within their hives. While honey bees can sting only once and die after attacking, a single wasp is capable of stinging multiple times.

And I thought: no wonder I want the bloody wasps out of my garden. As far as I can see, they bring no benefit to it.
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March 3, 2019 12:21pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Wasps are the ‘gang members’ of the garden. Nasty and dangerous creatures.
  
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  March 3, 2019 12:42pm
- secondcumming
  
  *Wasps are such nasty bastards* as well, particularly if they think their nest is under attack. We had a huge swarm of the buggers around the base of an old palm tree at the end of the pool. It got to the stage where it even became dangerous to go for a swim.
  
  One of the guys from the gun-club came up with the remedy, wait until late at night and sneak up on the nest with a container of diesel and a petrol soaked rag. Pour the diesel into the nest, set fire to the rag, throw it on, then run like hell.
  
  Worked a treat, only downside was I had to replace the palm tree so wasn’t a cheap fix.
  
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  March 3, 2019 1:17pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Make your own wasp killing ‘napalm’. There is a great clip on UTube.
    
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    March 3, 2019 3:02pm
- GJM
  
  Evil things. We have some wasp killer that comes in a spray can and can spray up to 4m, so can get to the wasps under the eaves. Spray the nest at night and it is sudden death on the wasps and any larvae. I can ask the other half where it comes from. I know it is not cheap, but it works well.
  We have beehives locally and I love the sight of bees in the garden, but I will stalk and kill wasps.
  
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  March 6, 2019 10:21am
Awww C-mon

I’m not the only one around here that has complained about the nasty of the left, especially towards Bill English and John Key.

But do we really need to stoop to the level of Momo Ardern, SLG, All the horse jokes etc.

We should not let the important criticism of the g/ment be derailed by insults, even the clever ones.

I know this is a case of poacher turned game keeper, I love a good (actually mine are hardly ever good) sledge but the Hamish Price Momo-tweet has had a response that makes me think if we play the (Wo)man and not the ball, Labout will win in 2020
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March 3, 2019 12:29pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Ya think? ?
  
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  March 3, 2019 12:36pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Doesn’t mean I can’t call you a dick…. dick
    
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    March 3, 2019 12:38pm
- calendar girl
  
  Inclusion of “SLG” in your criticism of certain sledges / criticisms that have been attached to PM Ardern ignores the fact that “Silly Little Girl” was a demeaning attribution initiated and repeated by the (Labour) Speaker of the House, the Rt Hon Trevor Mallard.
  
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  March 3, 2019 2:04pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  We are already the better man. How many cheeks do you think we should turn?
  
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  March 3, 2019 3:50pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes I never call her rude names. Its not her fault about her teeth,
  I just call her Ardern.
  It is correct and to the point.
  I also don’t like Cindy, or Jacinda, they are too friendly.
  She is not my friend.
  
  But her lack of dress sense is her fault!
  
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  March 3, 2019 4:12pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    “Cindy” is because she is an overgrown schoolgirl.
    
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    March 3, 2019 7:09pm
- mandk
  
  Are you forgetting that, despite her declared preference for kindness, Ardern has been known to stoop to personal abuse?
  
  In Parliament, no less.
  
  She’s a hypocrite, and I make no apologies for calling her a SLG.
  
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  March 3, 2019 5:03pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    Simon is simple though. For instance, I can’t believe he’s modelling himself on the ponytail puller.
    
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    March 3, 2019 5:42pm
    - mandk
      
      How about addressing the point: the SLG’s hypocrisy?
      
      Just about every promise she has made has proven to be hypocritical.
      
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      March 3, 2019 6:22pm
Jack5

Are electric cars going to be a fire danger?

Petrol is highly inflammable, but you don’t hear of cars bursting into flames while parked in suburban garages.

Note the quick denial of blame from a fire in a Tesla showroom:

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-fire-tesla/tesla-showroom-in-southern-uk-damaged-by-accidental-fire-idUKKCN1QJ0DA

Here’s an old (2013) article from the prestigious MIT Technology Review on what can make electric cars fire risks:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/521976/are-electric-vehicles-a-fire-hazard/
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March 3, 2019 12:31pm
- Lance
  
  The chemistry of Lithium Ion batteries is such that if they are punctured they heat to a little over 500 deg C 2 seconds.
  
  Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries heat to less than 100 degC but are twice the size for the same energy, also very difficult to overcharge or generally abuse, only way they could get it to overheat was by punchering a cell with a nail gun.
  LiOn batteries (or similar) are used in Tesla’s, not LiFePO4.
  
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  March 3, 2019 1:04pm
- JibberJabber
  
  I`ll just repost this from yesterday,
  Tesla, the new Pinto?
  
  https://electrek.co/2019/02/25/tesla-crash-burning-car-door-handles/
  
  http://www.thedrive.com/news/26715/this-burned-up-tesla-model-x-on-ice-is-vermonts-hottest-new-attraction
  
  http://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/1492/tesla-model-s-catches-fire-in-norway
  Girly man Shaw with his new found wealth of a parliamentary salary should be thanking his lucky stars he can`t drive.
  The car crashes, catches fire and the electric door handles won`t work.
  A tyre flicks a stone into the battery, boom, fire.
  I`ll stick with my old Holden thanks, helping make your winters warmer, no, no… don`t thank me, it`s my community spirit.
  
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  March 3, 2019 2:06pm
Local Miller

Can you all please stop beating up on us SAFA’s as a collective group. While I we have our share of reprobates, by far the majority of us are hard working and make a significant contribution to NZ.

I arrived here 13 years ago, with my wife and 4 kids, all of school going age. We had a container of our goods and chattels but minimal capital, and what capital we did have we had to use to supplement our income for a few years.

We have never needed welfare, been on the DOL, or used WFF. All my kids are financially independent now, earning good incomes and making a contribution to NZ as: 2 x teachers, 1 x builder, and a special effects artist who has now gone back to uni (and not fees free either). I was a volunteer instructor in one of NZ’s top youth organisations for 8 years, and have a positive impact on a lot of young people over that time. I’m probably in the top 5% in my specialty in NZ, and earn enough that my wife doesn’t need to take someone else’s job 😉 although I’d not call us rich.

After 6 years, starting with no savings, we were able to buy a section with 2 houses on it, one of which we let out to family, friends or other (good) SAFAs arriving in NZ and need short term accommodation.

Sorry, but it P!$$3$ me off when I get thrown in with (yesterday’s GD) comments about SAFAs being useless bludgers. The few that cause problems here would probably have been a problem back in SA, and rightly deserve to be sent home. Most of us are actually really nice, hard working people who have embraced NZ and call this home. We were never a “privileged class” and most of the propaganda cr@p you ever heard about white Safa’s is just that, cr@p. Except for a very small group that I would have called “trash” back in SA, most of us worked hard for our living, paid massive taxes and got little for it.

Yes, I support the All Blacks and the Black Caps, and anyone playing against Australia.
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March 3, 2019 12:52pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Every South African I have met has been a good hardworking decent person. They are only here thanks to smug pricks, in places like New Zealand, destroying their country.
  
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  March 3, 2019 1:02pm
- Lance
  
  I agree, I’m not a SAFA myself but I can say I have never seen an idle SAFA, they are hard working and good citizens.
  My only observation is they seem to be obsessed with the cars they drive, but a minor vice all in all.
  Clowns mouthing off about SAFA’s are just talking out their arses.
  
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  March 3, 2019 1:15pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Most if not all of the Safas I have meet are hard working people who benefit this country.
  Likewise those from Zim that i know.
  
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  March 3, 2019 2:22pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    And they are real deal refugees.
    
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    March 3, 2019 4:17pm
- Muttonbird
  
  That’s fine but you’re all racists. New Zealand doesn’t need that sort of contribution.
  
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  March 3, 2019 5:54pm
Lance

I see it is official that Simon Bridges was charged 300% more for crown limo use than Cindy or other CoL people.

Which makes Simon Bridges crown limo use within the average range if the distortion is normalised.
After the vicious and unrelenting attacks from the MSM over his lavish overuse of taxpayer resources, which turned out to be completely without merit, I await a formal apology for being half arsed lazy and generally incompetent fact checkers…………

Crickets
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March 3, 2019 1:08pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  You aren’t talking about One News, are you?
  I see they are now advertising that they fact check the news and present it without bias.
  And I believed every word.
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  March 3, 2019 4:10pm
RW Capitalist

The inevitable march of socialism to totalitarianism, has started in NZ. Even before the full implementation of their cockeyed version of socialism.
Centralization of Education (which the SIT, is fighting) to better CONTROL it.
A court case where a Mitre 10 store (down south somewhere) will have a court written collective agreement FORCED on it.
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March 3, 2019 1:31pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  “The woooorld is coming to an end!!!”
  https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-doom-monger-the-end-of-the-world-is-coming-nigh-looney-lunatic-negative-23781426.html
  
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  March 3, 2019 1:42pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    PRATT.
    Correction
    Irrelevant ignorant PRATT.
    
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    March 3, 2019 1:51pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    That Climate Scientist is working hard for his money.
    
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    March 3, 2019 1:52pm
chiz

Dotcom in trouble again:

Kim Dotcom faces another court battle, after he renovated his $4.1 million rented penthouse then allegedly failed to follow through on his promise to buy it.
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March 3, 2019 2:09pm
RW Capitalist

Saw a piece on the international News, that a country in the Indian Ocean, was allowing a British deep dive submersible, to gather Data on climate change, from the sea floor.
Their president said
We need to have relevant data BEFORE we make a decision.
BUT BUT……..I thought they said the science was in.
NO need to look, just believe us.
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March 3, 2019 2:28pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Who are the ‘they’ to whom you refer? I can’t recall any reports indicating that the collection of scientific data, on any topic, needed to end.
  
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  March 3, 2019 3:16pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Time to come out from under the rock
    IPCC…..panel of politicians
    Been announcing the lack of need to look any further for the past 15 years…just believe us, has been the narrative of that 15 years.
    Pleading ignorance, on your part, just makes you look stupid.
    None so blind, that won’t see.
    
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    March 3, 2019 4:30pm
Jack5

As the West kills off its concept of nuclear family, could something like this be what evolves?

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p06934z2/a-society-that-forgoes-monogamy
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March 3, 2019 2:35pm
Local Miller

And it looks like JA lied AGAIN about no strikes (I mean no National strikes) on her watch.

Post Primary Teachers set for national strike in April. They want 15% increase AND housing subsidy for those living in high cost centers.

Since coming to NZ, I don’t think I’ve ever got more than 2%-4% increase in any year, and went 5 years without an increase. While a lot of people may believe they are worth 15% more, who the hell actually expects to get an increase like that.

And Cindy, are you going to apologise for making promises you can’t keep?
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March 3, 2019 2:40pm
Inandout

I give Cinders a matter of months before she goes off the deep end. You can’t be a caring mother and a PM at the same time, it is just impossible. Notice I said ‘caring’. As for Jethro, well he will be dragged into the powder keg, and no amount of MSM blind monkey antics will save him.
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March 3, 2019 2:47pm
- big bruv
  
  She’s no ‘caring mother’ that’s for sure.
  
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  March 3, 2019 2:56pm
  - oob
    
    Using an unloved infant as little more than a political fashion accessory is a form of child abuse, in my opinion.
    
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    March 3, 2019 2:58pm
    - Jack5
      
      OOB, today you’re decrying child abuse.
      
      Yesterday, you were pushing kids’ heads down dunnies.
      
      Mmmm!
      
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      March 3, 2019 3:12pm
      - oob
        
        Strictly speaking Jack5, I was reminiscing about flushing your head in the toilet during one of our romantic encounters.
        
        Call me!
        
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        March 3, 2019 3:20pm
      - Jack5
        
        Okay, OOB, I’ll call you.
        
        I’ll call you a bullshitter, and a loon.
        
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        March 3, 2019 3:24pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        I hope you frisky boys are using condoms.
        
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        March 3, 2019 3:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        That link you gave, OOB, was to something that suggests you are a homosexual. That’s okay, it’s long been legal, and the civilised motto is: live and let live.
        
        But … you’re not a ~~defrocked~~ former priest, are you?
        
        Otherwise, you’re probably in the clear, unless in an earlier post on this blog you weren’t fantasizing about pushing kids’ heads down dunnies at the school you went to. (It wasn’t Borstal, was it?)
        
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        March 3, 2019 3:35pm
      - oob
        
        Baby don’t be that way.
        
        And let’s not sully what we had with labels. Our time together was special but I’ve moved on, I’m into consensual now.
        
        You should move on too: pining for me by flushing your own head in the toilet isn’t emotionally healthy.
        
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        March 3, 2019 3:40pm
      - Jack5
        
        It’s clear, OOB, that you are as queer as a three-dollar note. Nothing extraordinary there.
        
        But pushing kids’ heads down dunnies. That’s sick.
        
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        March 3, 2019 3:56pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Awww how sweet. Not often we get romance on KB. Now stop being so grumpy Jacobus and surrender your arse to oob – again. .
        
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        March 3, 2019 3:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        Being harassed by one homosexual is trivial. Being harassed by two is mildly distracting. It’s like having butterflies flitting around your face.
        
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        March 3, 2019 4:22pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Only mildly distracted when harassed by two homos! It begs the question of how many homos you could take on at once before becoming more distracted?
        
        You certainly are a good sport. With a reputation like that, no wonder oob wants to rekindle the old flame 🙂
        
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        March 3, 2019 4:28pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        I know this oob guy is flying the flag for Kiwiblog but he is seriously deranged.
        
        Bridges linked to this shit-show of a blog the other day so I imagined the host would want to tidy up a bit for the public. Seems he doesn’t care that the bog has skid-marks all over it. ?
        
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        March 3, 2019 5:47pm
- Universal Smith
  
  It is sad to see the cynical way that child is being abused. It spends most of its time ignored, only being dragged out for staged photo ops before being coldly dropped into the arms of the help as soon as the cameras are off.
  
  Just like her handler, the Klarken, the whole family thing is staged. They both take on human-form for career reasons.
  
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  March 3, 2019 3:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    Kiddy power worked at the polls.
    
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    March 3, 2019 4:28pm
big bruv

It’s been over a year since the sexual assaults at the Labour party youth camp. Does anybody know if the police have decided to prosecute the accused or has there been a decision that to do so wood seriously embarrass the government?
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March 3, 2019 2:54pm
- Universal Smith
  
  This is clearly outright corruption. The whole thing was deeply flawed from the start, with the police allowing the offenders to conduct their own investigation and lean on victims and witnesses.
  
  Since when to the police ever do that in a sexual assault case against kids?
  
  The police are dirty at the senior level in Wellington.
  
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  March 3, 2019 3:02pm
  - RF
    
    Never thought I would agree but there is a stench of corruption at PNHQ. (Police National HQ)
    
    Time for a clean out.
    
    It’s becoming an arm of the Labour Party and will soon be leaking like the Titanic.n
    
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    March 3, 2019 10:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The accused is to appear at trial on 4 charges March 18, 2019.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107027711/two-charges-dropped-against-man-accused-of-sexual-assaults-at-labour-party-summer-camp
  
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  March 3, 2019 4:23pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    I wonder what distractions the media will conjure up for that Maggy?
    
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    March 3, 2019 4:31pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They’ve had 1 year to dream something up…
      
      How about some Rugby deal that can occupy the air-waves for days…
      
      A Cabinet reshuffle….
      
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      March 3, 2019 5:23pm
      - sooty
        
        Ruth Dyson leaving?
        
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        March 3, 2019 9:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @sooty
        
        I can’t imagine Ruth Dyson will keep Journos occupied for 15 minutes, let alone the next 15 days.
        
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        March 3, 2019 9:41pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Imagine the pressure on the young people and their families to withdraw the complaints, one would hope that the police would continue regardless.
    
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    March 3, 2019 4:49pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      The police serve the government. Whether or not that serves any notion of justice depends on the government at the time.
      
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      March 3, 2019 4:57pm
    - Inandout
      
      RM, there is so much slush money floating around I woudn’t be surprised if someone was bought. The amount could easily be buried in admin expenses. Look at how Jackson escaped being jailed.
      
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      March 3, 2019 5:04pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I wonder why Longknives was pretending not to know that.
    
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    March 3, 2019 5:22pm
Jack5

Where’s Scott Hamilton when you need information about the Pacific that you can’t find on the internet?

It’s common for Maori to call for more Maori-friendly practices in our health system. Now we have south-city Aucklanders calling for incorporation of Polynesian approaches.
Here’s one that’s, well, bloody terrifying.

It’s trephination, or trepanation, or trepanning. This boring holes in the skulls of living people. It was practised in many ancient cultures, but had been generally abandoned in the West by the early Middle Ages.

However, it lingered on in corners of the world including Africa, Melanesia, and Polynesia until about a hundred years ago.

An example from a skull found at Waipu, New Zealand, has been disputed as not being an example of trephination, but another trepanned skull has been found in Niue, which is part of New Zealand.

What was it about? The consensus seems to be that it was probably about treating illness. One explanation from islanders is that trepanning in some cases also entailed removing a bit of the human brain and replacing it with pig brain. As if we haven’t got enough pig-headed people already.

http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document//Volume_86_1977/Volume_86%2C_No._2/Trephination_in_Oceania%2C_by_Philip_Houghton%2C_p_265-270/p1
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March 3, 2019 3:09pm
- nasska
  
  ……”Where’s Scott Hamilton when you need information about the Pacific that you can’t find on the internet?”…..
  
  He’s busy making a grubby living from the doctorate he received out of a Weetbix packet. Usually found authoritatively spouting some crap which when précised amounts to “a Tongan once told me”.
  
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  March 3, 2019 3:48pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think he engages a bit more on his own, and other blogs. Kiwiblog is an entertainment forum rather than one for any serious debate.
    
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    March 3, 2019 3:56pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      Its looking more like Grindr judging by Obb & Jack5’s shenanigans.
      
      Boys will be boys 🙂
      
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      March 3, 2019 4:01pm
      - Jack5
        
        Grndr is a web site for homosexuals, bisexuals, and the like.
        
        Has OOB been locked out out of it?
        
        Why else is OOB staging a queer invasion of Kiwiblog? Is he on a recruiting drive? But isn’t the gay view that you are born homosexual? If so, why go proselytising?
        
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        March 3, 2019 4:09pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Well you clearly know your stuff regarding the gay lifestyle.
        
        You should of thought of that before playing the cock tease and leading him on. Men can be so fickle sometimes.
        
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        March 3, 2019 4:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Thanks for alerting me to your Grndr web site, Universal ~~shit~~ Smith.
        
        We like to avoid the cow pats as we step across a paddock. Same on the web.
        
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        March 3, 2019 4:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It could be the next “in thing” amongst those wanting to expand their minds…
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Feilding
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbeat_in_the_Brain
  
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  March 3, 2019 5:14pm
Jack5

Auckland firm accused of ripping off New Zealanders and Australians with Cook Islands weddings.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/wedding-planners-investigated-after-leaving-couples-high-and-dry-in-cook-islands-20190303-p511ez.html
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March 3, 2019 5:01pm
Surely Knott

I’ve had a couple of incidents which I think are corrupt within my council, dodgy procurement , maladministration etc. . But my issue is reporting. The ombudsman will only investigate if it affects you directly and personally. And you have to address it with the council first – which is tricky if you work for or with them. The Aussie Independent commission against corruption actually has an anonymous tip line and encourages people to report bad practice and corruption. IN NZ the SFO only investigates Serious fraud and corruption. But what about garden variety corruption.
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March 3, 2019 5:43pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  If I understand you correctly, the issue does not affect you directly, but you feel you cannot raise it with council officers or councillors because you are a council employee or contractor.
  You could perhaps check whether your council has a protected disclosures policy, and whether your issue can be raised through that. You could also consider raising the matter with an individual councillor, if you know, or know of, a councillor unconnected with the matter you are concerned about. An additional resources could be your local MP. Most consistency MPs are actually genuinely helpful with problems and usually have very good connections to get things done (mileage may vary).
  
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  March 3, 2019 5:57pm
  - nasska
    
    …..’Most consistency MPs are actually genuinely helpful with problems”……
    
    Generally good advice but less so if you reside in the Wairarapa. No one there’s seen him since Sept 2017.
    
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    March 3, 2019 6:03pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I see that I wrote ‘consistency’ instead of ‘constituency’.
      
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      March 3, 2019 6:07pm
      - nasska
        
        You’re forgiven.
        
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        March 3, 2019 6:09pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Is it still true that Scott is not even eligible to vote in his own electorate?
        
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        March 3, 2019 7:31pm
      - nasska
        
        From memory he resides in Kelburn but until recently he could claim a connection with the Wairarapa through ownership of the Matahiwi Winery a few kilometres north of Masterton.
        
        However even that has likely changed.
        
        https://times-age.co.nz/scott-puts-winery-up-for-sale/
        
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        March 3, 2019 7:40pm
      - Swifty
        
        I went through college with him.
        
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        March 3, 2019 7:48pm
    - PhilP
      
      You don’t know what you are talking about naska
      
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      March 3, 2019 7:01pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Well, duh, this is Kiwiblog. But nasska does know the Wairarapa, if you were thinking of putting a word in for its absentee MP.
        
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        March 3, 2019 7:04pm
      - nasska
        
        As a Wairarapa resident & National voter for over 50 years I know exactly what I’m talking about.
        
        Scott is a carpetbagger & a fuck useless apology for a MP.
        
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        March 3, 2019 7:06pm
      - PhilP
        
        What a pile of garbage. Are You gonna vote for McAnulty or Skid Mark?
        
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        March 3, 2019 7:13pm
      - nasska
        
        I’ll vote National as I’m not going to let one useless bastard change the habits of a lifetime.
        
        But as to a constituency MP I’ll probably spoil my vote.
        
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        March 3, 2019 7:18pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Is it still true that Scott is not even eligible to vote in his own electorate?
        
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        March 3, 2019 7:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you are a council/local body employee or connected to a business dealing with councils, you can make use of the Protected Disclosures Act:
  
  http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/what-we-do/protecting-your-rights/protected-disclosures-whistle-blowing
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:11pm
stigie

Young Australian 21 years old, turned pro 3 months ago has just won the NZ Golf Open by 3 shots.
What a talent this kid is !~
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March 3, 2019 6:27pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110735496/ngti-benneydale-town-debates-name

Population : 170

169 want to retain the name “Benneydale”.
1 person wants a maori name.

Ok folks, place your bets, what is going to be the name of this place from now on ?
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March 3, 2019 6:29pm
- DigNap15
  
  #White names matter!
  
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  March 3, 2019 6:31pm
- stigie
  
  Christ, can’t they be happy with just Bhenneydale..?
  
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  March 3, 2019 6:33pm
- Viking2
  
  Bennyfit. eh bro
  
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  March 3, 2019 7:59pm
MrTips

Ruth Dyson can see the shit train is coming down the tracks and is pulling the plug. New things and right time….lol. Labours a mess and she knows it.
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March 3, 2019 7:31pm
- Viking2
  
  30 odd years in a half drunken stupor and shit all to show for our generosity.
  
  “After what then be 27 years in Parliament, I have decided to pursue other challenges in my life (but I haven’t yet determined what they will be).”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110996324/port-hills-mp-ruth-dyson-to-stand-down-at-next-election
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:00pm
  - starboard
    
    Shouldn’t that be ” fall down “..Hic..
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:28pm
  - Inandout
    
    Does alcohol use make a woman appear masculine?
    
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    March 3, 2019 9:04pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    The swamp is draining. Dyson is leaving. What did she do to make her mark on New Zealand again?
    Fuck.
    
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    March 3, 2019 9:17pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1094108/canada-news-Justin-Trudeau-crisis-Canadian-Prime-Minister-Wilson-Raybould-SNC-Lavalin-case?fbclid=IwAR2qvi04PtNSLht9ZeZvXPCfazBe_YsHy0CHn-8TjPUEjrFdsRemLsDmUKE

Trudeau has been branded as a Most Unimpressive Leader.

His Background as a Drama teacher has marked him as being totally unsuitable for the job.

When informed of this Jacinda Ardern has been quoted as saying “Hold my Beer!”
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March 3, 2019 7:53pm
- sooty
  
  But JacinDUH loves him!
  Oh’ the feelz for him!
  
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  March 3, 2019 9:31pm
MrTips

Have heard Mark Mitchell touted as a future leader for National.

Be careful what you wish for. Mitchell was/is backed/advised by Simon Lusk and Cam Slater. Like JLR was.

Mitchell owes Lusk and like herpes, Lusk will collect.

And if it goes to custard, well….JLR can advise on what to expect.
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March 3, 2019 8:13pm
- Muttonbird
  
  +1. Mitchell has to be the most untrustworthy scum-bag in parliament right now.
  
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  March 3, 2019 8:30pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think he has competition for that prize.
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:51pm
  - MrTips
    
    Ah no. That accolade belongs to your dear leader, Socialist Cindy MB
    
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    March 3, 2019 8:56pm
starboard

Muttonbird
“Mitchell has to be the most untrustworthy scum-bag in parliament right now.”

‘Wah wah wahhhhhh’..you fucking imbecile, muttonturd.
The COL takes that accolade.
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March 3, 2019 9:07pm
Jack5

Another attack on NZ’s white guys…

At the last completed census, in 2013, 74 per cent of New Zealanders identified as “European”. The multiculturists and immigration rorters will have reduced that somewhat in the last six years, but by not as much as some think.

Regardless, engineering company Tonkin and Taylor is reported at Red Radio as saying it is disappointed that 74 per cent of its new engineering graduates are white males!

It says it’s struggling to hire Maori and Pacific graduates to hire. This suggests it would like to apply some reverse discrimination.

After the collapse of the CTV building on apparently lax engineering, we can say to hell with that approach. Just give us the best engineers.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/383827/engineering-company-s-graduate-recruits-mostly-pakeha
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March 3, 2019 9:09pm
Swifty

I’m a jihadi, get me out of here!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111057052/mark-taylor-kiwi-jihadi-hopes-to-come-home-to-nz-and-start-a-cannabis-business
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