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Sarkozygroupie

https://www.jpost.com/International/New-Zealand-stokes-antisemitism-in-aftermath-of-mosque-massacre-584787
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March 29, 2019 8:03am
- Tall Man
  
  Yesterday I posted my displeasure with our pm continually wearing a headscarf.
  
  I referenced three international articles, two detailing muslim women imprisoned for not wearing the head scarf and another showing roadside posters in Afghanistan demonising women who did not wear the acarf.
  
  The post was blocked for some reason.
  
  I was criticising ardern………. not muslims as many do not and will not wear a head scarf as has been detailed by two articles published in NZ written by young, practicing muslim women.
  
  I am still criticising her for this “virtue signalling” crap.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:05am
  - alien
    
    Why just focus on her, why not the nurses, teachers, businesswoman, etc etc who also wore it that day
    
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    March 29, 2019 12:20pm
    - NoCash
      
      Perhaps because she instigated it.
      
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      March 29, 2019 12:51pm
    - Rob2
      
      If you can’t tell the difference then that’s your inability to think properly.
      
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      March 29, 2019 4:42pm
    - Tall Man
      
      As is said, I don’t think I’d enjoy a conversation with you.
      
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      March 29, 2019 4:52pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I support that criticism too. The scarf is cultural Islam which is required to seek converts. It keeps muslim women “in their place”. Christian evangelism is being denigrated why should Islamic proselytation be given freer reign particularly as their package includes Sharia law?
    
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    March 29, 2019 2:32pm
  - MickMac
    
    Tall man
    17:43
    personally I’m not fussed if it was 3/12 out from the event I would wonder.
    I suspect if it isn’t her virtue signalling as you opine, it is advice from op int and security to keep a kind and subjective face before the world.
    She also is primarily thinking of the families of the 50 killed too, rightly so to my mind.
    What they are going through right now must be horrendous.
    I said before hold your breath and wait 30 days.
    
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    March 29, 2019 5:44pm
    - Tall Man
      
      It has been 9 months since the child was born..how often do we get that thrown out by the media?
      
      You will be looking at prime time articles about this centered on her for years to come.
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:41pm
Than

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To all the Trump supporters gloating about the Mueller report over the past few days… just take a second to consider how low that means the bar has to be set for Trump.

“Yay, my candidate hasn’t been indicted for conspiring with a foreign power” really shouldn’t be something that merits celebration.

And in any event, the misguided celebrations are premature. We haven’t seen the actual report yet – just a four page summary from a Trump-loyalist. The report itself is reportedly between 300 and 1000 pages long. That’s a lot of pages for a baseless witch-hunt.
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March 29, 2019 8:09am
- waikatogirl
  
  President Trump has tweeted that the FBI need to investigate the dropping of all charges on Jessie Smollett.
  
  The chicanery that Chicago is well known for needs to be investigated. How deep will this go?
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:16am
  - SGA
    
    Would that fall under the FBI’s juristiction? Serious question.
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:06am
    - toby1845
      
      If there is a suggestion of bribery or corruption by a state or district attorney, the FBI can investigate.
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:14am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      I think hate crimes and mail crimes are both federal.
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:25am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Yes according to some speculation. However, we are banned on KB these days from speculating so you will just have to wait and see what eventuates… ?
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:44am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s under the jurisdiction of the president’s twitter account. That’s all that matters.
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:46am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Like winston’s underwear…it depends.
      Does it come under “hate crime”…faking a hate crime.
      If so, I believe….. YES.
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:58am
  - kloyd0306
    
    It’s Chicago, Obama’s home town.
    Just look at what Obama’s justice dept tried to do to the 2016 presidential election.
    It would seem that Smollett’s life really is more important than anything else.
    Chicago’s Foxx and Baltimore’s Moseby are cut from the same corrupt cloth and both are Democrats.
    Democrats – Despicable.
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:39am
    - waikatogirl
      
      kloydo306, You went where I didn’t. ?
      Time will tell…
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:21am
  - freethinker
    
    Chicago is arguably the most “Democratic State” having all 6 of its statewide elected offices held by a Democrat. Join the dots and be surprised – not.
    
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    March 29, 2019 1:15pm
- NK
  
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  Silly comment Than.
  
  I’m no Trump disciple, but it’s time to give this Mueller report matter a rest.
  
  What’s more interesting is the persecution by the US Government, almost certainly ordered by Trump, of Michael Avenetti, as revenge for the Stormy Daniels saga.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:20am
  - Bell-47
    
    Not paid income tax for 10 years
    Tried to extort Nike to the tune of $20M
    Daniels now has to pay Trump..
    Julie Swetnick
    
    The guy is a snake, an opportunist and the very worst kind of “lawyer”. I have zero sympathy for him. He has allowed himself to become a tool of the left and it has succeeded in getting him exactly where he is now.
    
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    March 29, 2019 8:53am
  - BeaB
    
    I amazed the voters aren’t demanding their very expensive representatives aren’t getting on with some work instead of wasting time and money on attacking each other.
    
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    March 29, 2019 8:54am
    - sooty
      
      What about NZ.
      The same is happening here!
      Go and earn your money you losers!
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:16am
    - Inandout
      
      BeaB, any resemblance to our MPs behaviour of late, when they depart the Debating Chamber faster than the speed of light.
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:39am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Idiot…NIKE reported him to police for extortion!!
    FACTS please.
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:02am
- Ross12
  
  Rosenstein was involved in writing the letter. Definitely not a Trump loyalist.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:27am
- Scott
  
  Than – I would agree with you only in that the report is probably long, given that the report cost $25 million, took two years, 500 witnesses were interviewed and a number of people were sent to jail for crimes unrelated to the central accusation.
  
  However everything else you say is wildly off the mark. It may be trolling on your part? But here goes.
  
  There was never anything to the central narrative of Trump/Russia collusion. It was an invention to try and explain how Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election. It was then used to delegitimise the new president with the hope of stymieing his agenda and ultimately removing him from office through impeachment.
  
  But I will write this very slowly so everyone can understand. After an exhaustive investigation the special Counsel found no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.
  
  The four-page summary was prepared by the Atty Gen William Barr and the Deputy Attorney Rod Rosenstein. The latter supervised the whole investigation up until very recently.
  
  So it is over. There was no Trump and Russia collusion. It was all made up.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:34am
- Scott
  
  Also before Than’s comment disappears it would be wise to reflect on how the New Zealand media has led us up the garden path on Trump/Russia collusion. If you read the New Zealand media then you could be forgiven for thinking that the central claim is true – that Trump is a traitor to his country who conspired with Vladimir Putin to win the 2016 election and deny Hillary Clinton the presidency that is rightfully hers.
  
  Unfortunately the New Zealand media was led by their own hard left bias and the false reporting from the American media.
  
  The Daily Caller has compiled a list of the worst media offenders. The worst of the worst is one Rachel Maddow of MSNBC who has peddled the Trump/Russia collusion narrative for two years and built her program around it.
  
  When the Meuller report came out and no collusion was found she literally cried on TV. Sadly she may have cried some more the next day when she found out that her show has now lost a full half a million viewers!
  
  https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/27/reporters-pundits-list-russian-collusion/
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:49am
  - JibberJabber
    
    https://www.rt.com/usa/454929-maddow-ratings-dive-mueller-msnbc/
    Oh dear, how sad, too bad, never mind carry on.
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:16am
- Jules99
  
  Funny how the Trump haters can’t let it go.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:53am
- Simon
  
  You were hoaxed so hard Than. So much unnecessary suffering.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:54am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Bad luck, Than. The Trumpistas have already decided that the full report is irrelevant to their narrative. That’s the nature of belief in their prophet.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:52am
  - Tall Man
    
    Talking of “prophets” how’s yours working out.
    
    Instead of your usual insulting commment, how about you post a couple of facts, as I’m sure you have now read the report, supporting your belief…
    
    That’s right, you don’t have any you just want to insult others.
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:09am
  - Simon
    
    The conspiracy got you as well MM? Any updates on the NYT investigation on Trump’s taxes?
    
    Dont be are a victim like Than.
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:35am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Well, we are relying on Barr to produce an accurate summary of the report. If it is significantly inaccurate I doubt he ( and Rod Rosenstein) would survive as they’re Democrats with the free “Get out of Jail” card that they seem to possess. So I reckon that the conclusion is well founded – no collusion and no obvious obstruction of justice.
    
    There may be meat in the details, but maybe not. What is clear is that the collusion narrative – always completely manufactured bullshit – should be dead. But even now many substantive figures including Adam Schiff continue to peddle that line. Many continue to claim that they have good solid evidence, though it does seem odd that they don’t seem to have informed Mueller of that evidence. Although more likely I guess is that the evidence is purely their fevered imaginations hard at work.
    
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    March 29, 2019 4:09pm
- The King
  
  Trump Derangement Syndrome alive and well in NZ i see.
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:06pm
kevn

Brunei… Sharia law = stoning and amputation of limbs. This is in 2019.
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March 29, 2019 8:11am
- DigNap15
  
  Sharia Law
  Coming to a country near us (NZ)
  Islam is not a religion, its a law system.
  Stone age (literally)
  Taliban. Boko Harem, Isis, etc etc
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:16am
  - Batman
    
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    Dignap, this is an example of a comment which is very, very close to being altered or deleted.
    
    Your comment doesn’t distinguish between Islam and Islamism which is the political function that Sharia law results from.
    
    If you are talking specifically about Brunei then it is ok-ish. Otherwise it falls into the unacceptable category of lumping Islam in with Islamism as a political movement, as per DPFs post the other day.
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:43am
    - Komata
      
      Batman
      
      A not-unreasonable question based on your response: Are you a DPF-appointed Moderator?
      
      Thank you.
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:51am
      - Batman
        
        Hi Komata,
        
        Yes, I outed myself yesterday as one. Sorry, I should have put that in my comment!
        
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        March 29, 2019 10:32am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You shouldn’t be able to comment then.
        In fact some of your language and participation in flame wars should also disqualify you.
        I noted the other day that a lot of my comments were taking a long time to appear and that it looked akin to shadow banning.
        Given our history of crossing swords I did suspect it could have been you
        
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        March 29, 2019 12:41pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        If you are Batman, I am writing to DPF to immediately exclude you as being incapable of non- partisan judgement.
        
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        March 29, 2019 4:11pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Are you a Moderator?
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:56am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and of
      Christianity and Christian form/basis of Govt
      LIKE OURS?
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      I also cannot see your thought process here.
      
      Brunei is an islamic state, a very conservative state and an autocratic state ruled by the sultan. I have a mate who worked there for many years but was unable to live there as he and his partner were not married. He commuted from Penang by ferry.
      
      I for one, cannot see the fine line that you have drawn between islam and islamism here. Dignap’s comment is factually correct and sharia law is being implemented in most countries that could be considered Autocratic.
      
      Can you elaborate please?
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:17am
      - Batman
        
        Sure thing.
        
        What Brunei has done and is doing deserves debate. There is more leniency for debating a specific event such as that of course.
        
        You’ve articulated it better than dignap did. He wasn’t clear about the distinction and his comment could very easily be interpreted to be talking about all of Islam. He made no reference to Brunei or autocratic states as you have done.
        
        His comment was much broader and so sails very close to saying all of Islam is like that, when it isn’t as we are seeing right now in Christchurch at the memorial.
        
        Does that help?
        
        Cheers.
        
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        March 29, 2019 10:31am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Hang on Batman.
        
        Islam is quite literally a creed that is all encompassing. It mandates a particular way of living, specific beliefs, an adherence to the orthodoxy (which unlike most other monotheistic religions brooks no possibility that it may be flawed) and it also mandates that god’s law is supreme above man-made laws.
        
        Like it or not this is exactly what Islam is.
        
        What your comment comes very close to saying (personally I’d suggest it actually does say it) is that this particular religion is above criticism and scrutiny.
        
        Nowhere in this thread are muslims, or however you care to describe adherents to the Islamic faith, criticised, lumped together, villified or humiliated. The comment you are critical of solely comments on the articles of faith, Sharia if you will, of this particular religion.
        
        Your comments imply that Islam is now off-limits when it comes to debate.
        
        As I’ve said regularly, the shooter’s stated plan is working. We are now self-censoring on the basis of “just in case.” A bad day for western democracy and civilisation.
        
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        March 29, 2019 10:47am
      - Batman
        
        Wavey, no. You’re extrapolating out way too far I’m afraid.
        
        Go and look at DPFs very long and reasoned post about this. We’re not going beyond that. The comment stands but people wanted examples of comments that run up to the line so we’re providing that.
        
        Islam is most certainly not beyond criticism and debate, hence why the comment stays. My own view is actually that moderate Islam needs to stand up and be much more vocal in condemning extremism, political Islam, and barbaric practices that have no place in the modern world. Starting with making women cover up which is absolutely ridiculous outside of, say, physically being at a mosque.
        
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        March 29, 2019 10:58am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Holy headache” Batman…..
        
        You have drawn a tenuous line there but, I guess you have that right as a mod. I can see your point but boy, it also sails close to the wind in being picky 😉
        
        You said Brunei needs debate….try doing that in Brunei.
        
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        March 29, 2019 11:03am
      - Durden
        
        Batman. It would be fair to say “theocratic states based on Islam” instead of autocratic states ?
        
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        March 29, 2019 11:05am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Batman. Not at all.
        
        I could provide you links to an almost infinite number of mullahs, imams and Islamic scholars who categorically state that the social and political aims of the Islamic faith are intrinsic to the doctrine just as much as the religious aspect is.
        
        What you, and DPF, have done is to redefine Islam to suit your view and purposes. I think you have done this in good faith but I also think that you are misguided.
        
        Islam is a militant faith, as was the Christian faith before the reformation and it seeks to convert every human to its doctrines.
        
        Now you could argue that the Christian faith would also like everyone to be Christian but for the most part that old-style missionary approach has died a natural death. Certainly the conversion-at-the-point-of-a-sword ended long ago.
        
        Conversely one of the central tenets of Islamic doctrine is jihad (struggle) and by that I don’t mean violence, but a part of jihad is an obligation to proselytise and convert unbelievers.
        
        Simply it’s an openly militant and expansionist faith that encompasses every part of an individual’s life, the political and religious aspects are not separate and no distinction is drawn between.
        
        For a non-muslim to attempt to the boundaries and literally separate the inseparable is ludicrous in the extreme.
        
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        March 29, 2019 11:17am
      - Batman
        
        Durden: Yes I think so. It’s always good to be specific if possible. It’s a v tricky area though, hence this long thread!
        
        Tall Man: yeah I know, it’s very hard to try and draw a line so we’re just feeling our way through it as best we can. Don’t worry, we’re not in danger of doing a Standard or Pete haha
        
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        March 29, 2019 11:17am
      - Ross12
        
        Tall Man
        I doubt your mate commuted from Penang . Maybe Kuching or Koto Kinabalu.
        
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        March 29, 2019 11:38am
      - Tall Man
        
        Oops, you’re right Ross.
        
        He lived in Brunei Monday to Friday but his partner lived in Penang.
        
        Penang was stuck in my head because he kept nagging me to meet him there and his brother, also a mate, catches up with him there every few years.
        
        He worked in a private school there and was paid enormous money so I think he may well have flown there.
        
        He did 20 years there before deciding enough was enough and moved to Canberra.
        
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        March 29, 2019 12:21pm
    - The King
      
      Sigh. This is how it starts in every country, in 5 years you’ll be excusing female mutilation as “Culture”.
      
      Just no.
      
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      March 29, 2019 11:33am
    - freethinker
      
      Are there different versions of Sharia Law?
      
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      March 29, 2019 1:21pm
      - Tall Man
        
        No idea but I would imagine that there differing enforcement levels.
        
        From my limited experience of islam, I believe that the head scarf thingy is more middle eastern than elsewhere, probably descending from Bedouin rraditions.
        
        I have also been informed that the Saudis are building mosques around the world and generally when they do, a little more conservatism is injected into that community.
        
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        March 29, 2019 4:58pm
    - MickMac
      
      Batman
      I have to disagree with your viewpoint..
      
      That you haven’t read the Sira nor the Koran is clear to me. ( I do recommend you do as I do everyone over 16yrs old).
      
      Sharia Law comes from the Koran and from Muhammads Sunna (works and words) ie Example…
      Sharia Law is the practical outworking of Islam, not Islamism.
      
      Muhammads Sunna is confirmed and elucidated within the Hadiths.
      Muhammad is Islam and Islam is Muhammad.
      
      Islamism is the movement within the Ummah driving Jihad (Asymetrical) (in all the realms we exists in) as called for by Muhammad by all observant Muslims towards the Kafir world.(ie non believers).
      
      Political Islam as coined by Bernard Lewis and others and enunciated clearly by Bill Warner is a subset of Jihad, which is asymetrical.
      
      It is confirmed and elucidated within the Hadiths.
      Muhammad is Islam and Islam is Muhammad.
      
      “DPF mentioned asking a Muslim whether they believed in the death penalty for Apostasy?”
      That is great question at an individual level.
      A great question, made ineffective by Taqqiya.
      
      If a person doesn’t believe in death for Apostasy they insult Muhammad, who laid that as a foundation for Mohamedians as they were called in the beginning..
      and you know where that goes??
      
      Obviously not in NZ as they Ummah is so small and ineffective in driving Sharia at present.
      I’d like to think our culture and openness to speaking our mind hasn’t encouraged that.
      
      Muhammad considered people to be observant or unobservant and in his later years, considered the unobservant to be apostates.
      
      Do a google on Muhammad’s last words before death.
      
      Whilst I wish to think the best of you, but with the framing of your words, I take your comment to Batman as setting him up for targeting or shutting him down.
      
      REM, Islam is Muhammad and Muhammad is Islam, there is NO getting around that. none.
      
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      March 29, 2019 6:07pm
      - simpleton1
        
        Good points MicMac.
        
        To help in reading the koran, one can google and find the chronological order, as the koran is rather a jumble, since bar the first surah being the shortest, and then the longest to the shortest surah.
        That chronoligical division is also recognized as the earlier Mecca Suras, and then the later Medina Suras, though sometimes there can be overlapping verses in some suras.
        
        This difference helps in recognizing and understanding naskh.
        There are 2 verses explained by Mohammad showing that this is the better verses for you, in case you think there is a contradiction.
        A further 3 verses also indicate naskh, that is abrogating earlier verses and the new verses now over ride some earlier verses.
        
        For some parts naskh is straight forward. In other parts then it is debated by the scholars just whether it is authoritative, or weak. This can be applied through hadith and correlates to the koran.
        
        I hope that proves helpful in the first time reading of the koran, and then any subsequent time in check points later, should be easier to find and figure out.
        
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        March 29, 2019 7:41pm
      - MickMac
        
        http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/chrono.htm
        
        Chronological Quran/Koran
        
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        March 30, 2019 11:44am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    Anyone see the article in the ‘Daily Mail’ of the Auckland community leader, at one of the ‘luv’ gatherings up there saying he “thought” was not absolutely sure the Mossad were behind this but he thought it was and his brother in the (Islamic) green T-shirt shouting ‘yes’ it was Israel’, think he was a Maori brother? Still there but at the bottom of the page this a.m. Think it was Jo Carolan’s lot.
    
    No mention in our news but big by several of their journalists article in stuff trying to tell us that Utube was bad and how we should get the news from the ‘horses mouth’. Ubelevable what on earth is going on within Fairfax? – stuff and nonsense!
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:05am
    - freethinker
      
      Already stopped reading Stuff and switched to Scoop.
      
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      March 29, 2019 1:22pm
- kowtow
  
  And a member of the Commonwealth.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:17am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Well placed to comment on New Zealand’s human rights issues then.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:42am
- artemisia
  
  I would like to see New Zealand very very quietly offering refugee or special visa status to some of the Brunei citizens affected. We have a diplomatic presence there (High Commission).
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:10am
  - MickMac
    
    Artemisia
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    I’d rather NZ only offered places to people based on their % of our society now!
    
    or do one over on all the Islamists in the world by bringing in Yardzies, Mid East Christians and any other groups (with religion or not) terminated or suppressed or attacked by Islamists.
    1.2 million Syrian Christians, 1.0m Iraqi Christians alone come to mind.
    How many in Africa and Asia?
    
    Could possibly include some in France, Sweden and UK now 🙂
    
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    March 30, 2019 11:50am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A religion that doesn’t believe in the separation of church and state is a dangerous thing. I would go so far as to reclassify it as something other than a religion; namely a political ideology (and treat it as such).
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:11am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    It is a political ideology under the disguise of religion. Just wait till, like Denmark, we see the first Islamic party enter Parliament under MMP. Not that they don’t have their secret sharia courts to sort out unruly women, probably at the back of some dairy. When will our Govt. realise that these are not tele-tubby cuddlies, what happened was atrocious but the muslims are using it to further their hold on our uninformed community.
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:10am
  - MickMac
    
    Odakyu
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    I think of that as an ideology, good point.
    
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    March 29, 2019 6:13pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      A religion that has no separation of church and state will always strive to impose its own religious law over that of the host state.
      
      In that regard, it is a colonizing religion; it cannot adapt–only seek to dominate (i.e., make all before it submit to its will).
      
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      March 29, 2019 6:50pm
alloytoo

Given that it’s the end of March would anybody have any idea what’s happened to The Labour camp groper?

And the Czech drug dealer?

it’s awfully quiet, almost like it’s 1984.
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March 29, 2019 8:12am
- oldgolfer
  
  A committee with wide-ranging powers has been appointed. It, when its terms of reference have been approved, will conduct a review, initiate a conversation with the public, and report to the appropriate minister.
  Once the minister has had a chance to assess the value of the report, pending Cabinet assessment and approval, it may or may not be released, given some of the information therein may be sensitive.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:19am
  - sooty
    
    The committe met last thursday and the press release will be at 4pm today!
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:03am
  - Tall Man
    
    Bloody hell Sir Humphrey, you do get about…….
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:20am
- Poppa
  
  The media will have been given instructions not to follow those up
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:20am
  - sooty
    
    Only the Labour party news group!
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:04am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Punctuation is fun
      Only, the Labour, party news group!
      Whatever did happen to our little Labour Party groper/ sex offender?
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:02am
      - waikatogirl
        
        What Labour Party groper/ sex offender?
        
        That issue has been swept under the large rug they keep in the basement never to be seen or heard of again. He is under there with the Checz, Hardcore, Claire Curran, etc.
        
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        March 29, 2019 10:26am
      - sooty
        
        Ah, the Labour whitless protection program!
        
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        March 29, 2019 1:24pm
    - Tall Man
      
      So that all media in NZ then?
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:21am
  - kevn
    
    @Poppa… Yes, the MSM have strict instructions not to chase the Czech crim case. Just need a reporter with do-the-right-thing-conviction to get it out there. It would seem there is no such animal.
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:34am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
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  Bro – The nation has moved on…so should you…
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:25am
  - Lance
    
    So are you saying if a lefty commits rape, it’s no big deal?
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:05am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Just for the record, there was never any suggestion Labour Camp groper committed rape.
      The cover up and excuses are a disgrace, and there need to be some sunlight on the matter, but escalating the charges isn’t helpful.
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:09am
      - Tall Man
        
        Correct but remember how the “left” and the media excalated Sir John Key”s hair tugging into a major crime and even today, many lefties trot it out as a “defence” for idiotic behaviour from someone in the coalition.
        
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        March 29, 2019 11:50am
  - calendar girl
    
    Well, I won’t be ‘moving on’ without some explanation of (and reliable news about) what is happening with the prosecution of the person charged with sexual abuse of young people at the Labour Party’s youth camp nearly a year ago.
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:17am
    - BobbyS
      
      If someone is prosecuted I would envisage name suppression will be sought & probably granted. Given that the person accused is apparently a child of a Labour party MP
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:14am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        The accused appeared in Court last year, and was indeed granted name suppression. He pleaded Not Guilty, and was remanded to 18th March for a defended hearing.
        
        Given that date has passed without any reporting as to the progress or otherwise of the matter, it is not unreasonable to wonder what is happening, or whether there has been some sort of deal done by the lawyers behind the scenes. Given the cover-up instigated by Labour, it would probably be the fitting way for the matter to end; a cover-up from start to finish!
        
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        March 29, 2019 10:57am
      - Souvlaki
        
        I think we should exhort Mike Hosking( as the most likely media personage to do so) to question Jacinda directly on his Tuesday am interview.
        This” cover up” is significant news . ” Justice” is after all supposed “to be seen to be done”.
        
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        March 29, 2019 4:49pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Seriously, it`s above my pay grade but a tech geek needs to create a Sarcasm, Irony or Satire Font. ?
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    Really, how did you figure that?
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:23am
- nasska
  
  “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
  
  ― George Orwell, 1984
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:28am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Which is one reason why I am not in favor of renaming historical things.
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:12am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ditto.
      
      It seems we should be ashamed of history.
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:24am
    - alloytoo
      
      I agree.
      
      Is it just me, but are the advocates for renaming very rarely the sort of people to do any building/creation of their own?
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:37am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Or rewriting or sanitizing history.
      
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      March 29, 2019 11:14am
    - MickMac
      
      Odakyu
      18:15
      or born gender!
      
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      March 29, 2019 6:15pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        An American and a Soviet were having lunch.
        
        The American said, “In my country, the past is known but the future is unknown.”
        The Soviet responded. “In my country, the past is unknown but we know what the future will be.”
        
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        March 29, 2019 6:53pm
  - Harriet
    
    It’s still essentially the party and criminal law vs Sharia, Mosaic and Cannon law. An Epoch of biblical proportions.
    
    Freedom not Sweden.
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:01am
- G152
  
  They’re planning the next move.
  Which I suspect will be ‘finding’ all those ultra right wingers and prosecuting such.
  any-one who isn’t one of the mates and dares to ask inconvenient questions may find themselves in trouble.
  Support the blogs
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:39am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    It’s a matter of definitions and who controls those definitions/interpretations.
    Hate speech
    Alt right
    White supremacy
    Racism
    I suggest we call the definitions
    The “NOT me” crowd and whoever is in power at the moment (you know who “They” are) will determine who is acceptable and who isn’t.
    Was making smoking antisocial, a trial run for removal of free speech and association?
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:25am
  - freethinker
    
    Yellow vests coming to NZ?
    
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    March 29, 2019 1:52pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    What if the blogs roll over in fear?
    
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    March 29, 2019 6:54pm
    - Tall Man
      
      This one has pretty much.
      
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      March 29, 2019 8:50pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Orwell was out by 25 years.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:03am
  - sooty
    
    The rest of the world, yes!
    NZ, not so much!
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:19am
  - SGA
    
    What happened in 2009?
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You think his totalitarian dystopia became reality in 1959, or in 2009?
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:54am
    - Tall Man
      
      Does it really matter when?
      
      Shouldn’t it just matter?
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:25am
  - MickMac
    
    RW
    18:16
    Orwell was a Prophet
    
    Chronology doesn’t matter….
    
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    March 29, 2019 6:16pm
Sarkozygroupie

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Muslim-stands-up-for-Israel-at-UN-Human-Rights-Council-584036
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March 29, 2019 8:22am
- Tall Man
  
  As I have said before, diversity is to be encouraged but only in those areas that the left deem “worthy”.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:27am
Yvette

“Log in,” it said

The New Zealand First / Labour Coalition Agreement among its goals, lists
• Planting 100 million trees per year in a Billion Trees Planting Programme.

However –
Business-as-usual replanting could deliver a significant proportion of trees towards the one billion tree total over the next decade. The majority of these trees will be replanted radiata pine following harvest.
For example, if the recent 95% replanting rate was maintained over the next decade this would equate to 770 million trees.
– The One Billion Trees programme – Cabinet paper
https://www.mpi.govt.nz/funding-and-programmes/forestry/planting-one-billion-trees/

So, it is obvious that Shane Jones intention is to augment Forestry’s “business-as-usual” annual replanting by a further 330 million trees to make up his 1 billion planted trees.
 However, if over a decade Forestry re-plants 770 million trees to counter a felling or harvesting rate of 95%, that will leave a net Forestry number of 38.5 million trees to add to Shane’s 330 million, and the total then will be 368.5 million trees rather than 1 billion.

Or, while Shane Jones says “Let’s see if we can get more than a billion trees in the ground, eh” and that does happen, with Shane’s plantings, and with Forestry re-planting cleared sites, those sites will be clear because in the same time Forestry will have felled 738,150,000 mature trees – each felled at about 28 years, rather than fuller maturity of 40 years.

And a couple of days ago – “Forest CO2 absorption strategy ‘carries significant risks’ – report”
The country’s strategy was to offset emissions by investing in overseas reductions schemes [is that: getting someone else to do what we should] and by planting trees, which absorb CO2 as they grow.

The report highlighted risks of using forests as a carbon sink. “Storing the waste from fossil emissions in forest sinks is simply delaying the inevitable,” it said.

Translation: It means planting a billion trees is the same answer as Ardern’s Winston-selected Government has with all its committees, working groups and inquiries: that is kick the can down the road …

Nuclear power has the problem of what should be done with the waste. It can be stored but not indefinitely. Same apparently with storing the waste from fossil emissions in forest sinks.

Jacinda Ardern: ‘Climate change is my generation’s nuclear-free moment’
“Nuclear moment” yes, Jacinda, but not “free”.
Nowhere as bad as Fukushima, but heading that way.
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March 29, 2019 8:23am
- alloytoo
  
  The problem of nuclear waste is vastly exaggerated.
  
  The physical quantities are very small (in comparison to fossil fuel emittance) and already there are companies looking to remine/rework spent fuel for new generation reactors.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:01am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Also they are misrepresenting the issue.
    Things like Chernobyl and 3 mile Island spread the fissionable material thinly and over a wide are.
    Normal waist disposal is very concentrated, as the bi products are very dense. Making storage/recycling simpler.
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:11am
  - cmm
    
    “The physical quantities are very small ”
    
    Not so.
    
    The physical quantities of the fuel burned are indeed extremely small, so too are the physical amounts of high level waste.
    
    Just about everything coming out of a nuclear station is low-level waste. This still has to be contained and treated as nuclear waste (albeit with lower handling regimes). Overalls, shoes, tools, etc etc all end up becoming low level waste. Almost none of it can be used as a byproduct except waste heat.
    
    The stuff coming out of thermal station still has uses. eg. fly ash can be used to make concrete.
    
    That said, if I was offered to live next door to a nuke or a thermal plant I would pick the nuke every time.
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:19am
    - Bell-47
      
      http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/accelerator-driven-nuclear-energy.aspx
      
      This is very promising technology. I have been following this will some interest since 2009. The key is that it’s subcritical with the opportunity to transmute spent fuel rods significantly reducing the half life as well as alternative, plentiful fuels like Thorium. I’ll be attending a conference in Melbourne in late May where there will be some interesting discussions around the technology.
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:45am
    - alloytoo
      
      I read an interesting article the other day. It indicated that the much of the low level waste coming out of Fukushima was in fact lower than the natural background radiation of some populated places (Rocky mountains IMS).
      
      It suggested that since the populations subject to high natural radiation don’t experience abnormally high cancer rates, we are being overly cautious about some of our disposal/remediation practices.
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:45am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Did the report mention the emissions from the decaying leftover of the felled trees?
  Therefore part of the carbon sink is taken up by the emissions created by cutting the trees down.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:08am
- Ford Prefect
  
  Sorry to be pedantic but 100 million minus 770 million is 230 million not 330 million.
  
  Your points stand and if anything are more appurtenant as its only 23 million a year.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:24am
  - OTGO
    
    You should change your name to Ford Perfect.
    
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    March 29, 2019 12:35pm
  - Yvette
    
    Ford Prefect – thank you for the correction
    You are of course right.
    
    So the corrected sentence above should read –
    However, if over a decade Forestry re-plants 770 million trees to counter a felling or harvesting rate of 95%, that will leave a net Forestry number of 38.5 million trees to add to Shane’s 230 million, and the total then will be 268.5 million trees rather than 1 billion.
    
    So Shane need plant just over a quarter of a billion trees, not one billion.
    
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    March 29, 2019 1:42pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Not what the average person took from the billion tree ‘promise’.
      
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      March 29, 2019 7:16pm
kowtow

The media have been touting a ‘Masterton farmer” very heavily since he was reported as having handed in his semi auto.
Now that he has had an op ed piece published in the Washington Post his profile has been raised again.

In the early pieces I noted our media did mention he was a Green parliamentary candidate. The Wapo article doesn’t and nor have the recent TV3 nor his magic talk interview yesterday.

Shouldn’t the media make that clear ?

Oh and I don’t believe this either , from his op ed.

‘The American idea — that it’s important to have the ability to kill someone on a whim — is just bizarre to us.’

Sounds like a pretty extreme view, and negative generalisation of a whole group of people , isn’t that racism?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/03/27/i-gave-up-my-gun-after-new-zealand-mosque-shootings-why-are-americans-mad-me-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.efed7542e874
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March 29, 2019 8:23am
- G152
  
  Why we call them the fake news?
  Its as above, the selective usage of facts to get their one eyed world view out …
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:42am
- waikatogirl
  
  ‘The American idea — that it’s important to have the ability to kill someone on a whim — is just bizarre to us.’
  
  The American justice system calls “killing someone on a whim” = MURDER as we do here.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:46am
- cmm
  
  An imported idea? Dude doesn’t read much does he?
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:22am
- BobbyS
  
  John Hart is a Green Party shrill
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:41am
- The King
  
  Yes hand in your guns the government will protect you. “we were 60 seconds behind the shooter”.
  
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  March 29, 2019 11:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    A grim comment but it will always be so as the left do not want “monitoring” of ordinary people.
    
    They forget, everyone of us are “ordinary” until we are not……
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:53am
    - The King
      
      What hurts my brain is if a citizen with a gun shot the shooter and he lived they would be sharing a cell together.
      
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      March 29, 2019 2:20pm
      - Tall Man
        
        My understanding of the law is that fatal force with a firearm is permitted if you have a genuine fear for you life or the life of another.
        
        It would probably be tested in court as these days the police seem to have become the PC police as must as law enforcers but as previously said on this blog, I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.
        
        Remember the “gun shop shooting” in Auckland where the guys ws actually cleaning a firearm when they thief came in with a gun.
        
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        March 29, 2019 5:04pm
  - freethinker
    
    Saw a wonderful You Tube video in Brazil of a big guy pulling up and getting out of a car in a deserted and poorly lit road and aggressively approaching a lone female with what appeared to be a clear intent on doing something she would not agree to – Robbery/Rape etc. Fortunately the female was an off duty cop who pulled out her gun and shot the villain dead – another problem solved at low cost.
    
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    March 29, 2019 6:28pm
Simon

Grim global climate report: Drought, rising seas, millions displaced

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12217330

Despite MSM running the Russian / Trump collusion conspiracy theory, (Dem plant) which brain damaged millions, MSM continue with Climate change conspiracy theories.

After 30 years of man made climate doom now more than ever man made climate change is just another MSM / swamp conspiracy theory.

Some in government love climate change as it means more tax dollars, others like it as they rent seek useless alt-energy & others because it suits Marxist central planning. For the most part its damaging the brains of millions.
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March 29, 2019 8:27am
- Ford Prefect
  
  Thats why this catastrophe obsession has lasted longer than all the others.
  There used to be worriers saying we’re all doomed because:
  – nuclear power will kill us all
  – or deforestation will cause acid rain
  – or peak oil will make us run out of oil
  – or fracking will contaminate the water
  – or the population bomb will cause mass starvations
  – or the hole in the Ozone layer will fry us all
  – or the coming Ice Age
  – or the coming global warming
  – or Y2K or swine flu or avian flu or or or or
  
  Now all these nutters have joined together behind the climate change bandwagon and say all these things will happen.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:47am
- Poppa
  
  Totally agree Simon.
  
  It is being used as a means to control people, much like religion. Make the people afraid & that gives those in power the opportunity to manipulate them.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:55am
  - sooty
    
    It appears that Cindy holds that thought dear to her heart and is implementing here in NZ!
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:10am
Paulus

Whilst we remain in a state of mourning for the Christchurch massacre has the Government closed down ? Until when ?
Robertson is silently trying to spell Wellness, Peters has not woken up yet, shares in headscarves are booming – will we adopt that soon ?
The Education Minister is off his rocker in regards to Tertiary changes and the effective abolition of Polytechs.
Are all the media having a trip to Christchurch and apparently living there very comfortably I am told.
Good for the economy there.
Now a Wellington insider scuttlebutt comment – are we to have a new urgent Census or is the 2020 Election to be delayed as we only have 2013 figures to go on ?
What are the rules for delaying an Election.
Will we know when she returns from China or will it be slipped in somewhere ?
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March 29, 2019 8:29am
- sooty
  
  Where’s National?
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    To be fair, they are on a hiding to nothing at the moment.
    
    Any comment will be “reported” by the media as “hate speech” against anyone they choose.
    
    I truly hope that they will start to do their job again very shortly.
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:33am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Parliament resumes on Tuesday, and I suspect that can’t come soon enough for Bridges and co. There are plenty of issues aside from Christchurch; Westland Dairy, for example.
      
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      March 29, 2019 11:44am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.national.org.nz/news
    There ya go, fill ya boots.
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:43am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’ve made a conscious decision not to watch the Memorial service this morning. Even my wife, who a week ago attended the funeral of one of the victims, is over it.
  
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  March 29, 2019 11:03am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Yup. I have not attended nor watched any of the events. I think that the victims now need space and time to start rebuilding their lives. The politicians need to but out and the press need to find a new story. I have one… How about some outrage over the 400,000 South Africans murdered since 1994. And that’s not a typo….
    
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    March 29, 2019 6:26pm
- Twinkletoes
  
  Still considering circumcision in sympathy with my sisters but – well, nah!
  
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  March 29, 2019 11:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’ll probably test the moderator here but I have always maintained that there is no difference between Jew and Muslim all the way down to the DNA.
    
    The same in India, I’ve always maintained the only pint of difference between muslim and hindu was the presence or absence of the foreskin.
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:58am
    - Tall Man
      
      Sorry, puzzled here. It appears that my comment is still awaiting moderation yet there are a couple of ticks…
      
      How does that work?
      
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      March 29, 2019 2:00pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Seems a bit of a long bow. Moslems and Jews as ‘races’ is a bit of a stretch.
      
      One might note that Iranians are Aryans and not Arabs. Aside from Islam, there’s not a lot in common. And an awful lot of American Jews bear little resemblance to their Middle Eastern ‘brethren’.
      
      You can possibly point us at where this DNA info came from …. ? Happy to be informed ….
      
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      March 29, 2019 3:52pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2000/10/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry
        
        “Some” …… for the group tested 70% of Jews in the group and 50% of the Arabs had some loooong ago common ancestry.
        
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        March 29, 2019 4:24pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well gosh, aren’t you a pedant…..
        
        “And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.”
        
        I still stick to my initial comment but probably should have prefaced it with, in Palestine and surrounding areas………
        
        I guess I figured that a general comment would suffice but I forgot about those that want a piece of me.
        
        As I said, don’t start what you can’t finish and for the record, I still think there are few jews in Iran & Iraq. Jew is a religion, Israeli is a citizenship and I seriously doubt Jew is a race…
        
        And afterall, we all hail from the same genetic tree.
        
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        March 29, 2019 5:08pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Historically jews tried to maintain genetic separation from the populations they were embedded within, but they were largely unsuccessful, probably due to occasions of war, pogroms, rape and a degree of intermarriage etc, and were in fact almost genetically identical with their surrounding populations, middle eastern jews had middle eastern genetics, european jews had european genetics, african jews had african genetics. But they were also generally biased towards being smarter due to the evolutionary pressures that being Jewish created (only their smartest were able to overcome their cultural disadvantages to enable them to successfully raise families).
      
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      March 29, 2019 5:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I also read recently that “education” was a requirement for all Jews and therefore that contributed to their longer term “cleverness”…
        
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        March 29, 2019 5:13pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Judaism, although largely by genetic descent, is actually able to be joined. Thus Jews are mostly but not exclusively able to be potentially identified by DNA. I am not sure if this works for the differing populations claiming Jewish descent.
      
      By contrast Islam is not specifically by descent, and I would posit that there is little or no genetic commonality (other than being human of course – but something readily identifiable by current DNA tests) between say an Indonesian Muslim, a Uighur from China, a Saudi Arabian, and a Nigerian Muslim.
      
      There are commonalities of practice – in some senses Islam is a “heresy” of Judaism (like Christianity), but unlike Judaism which is in many ways “tribal” and related to certain population for the most part, Islam is like Christianity in that it has adherents in many areas with many groups.
      
      /pedant mode.
      
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      March 29, 2019 5:29pm
      - Tall Man
        
        In the Middle east there is a commonality between the religions as all the people came from the same source originally.
        
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        March 29, 2019 8:39pm
JibberJabber

It`s hard to ~~Green~~ Woke in this day and Age,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6851931/New-Zealand-women-face-praise-protests-donning-hijab.html?ito=social-facebook

Such a virtual minefield living in the 21st Century.
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March 29, 2019 8:32am
- Shadows
  
  Huh, a balanced article.
  
  Can’t remember the last time I read one of those.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:05am
  - sooty
    
    Not in NZ media, you wont!
    
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    March 29, 2019 1:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  Yesterday, when I posted a similar sentimennt, my comment was deleted in it’s entirety.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:35am
mandk

The Newshub Poll currently shows that 73% believe the positive sentiment following the Christchurch atrocity will not last.

Sadly, this is hardly surprising when we have already had an extreme left MP use it as an opportunity to attack white folk in general, and the chair of the country’s largest mosque use it as an opportunity to stir up anti-semitic sentiment.
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March 29, 2019 8:36am
waikatogirl

This weekend is “Neighbours’ Day Aotearoa”. Get to know your neighbours.

Relating to the above theme TV3 are running a poll this morning:

Will the well of love, warmth for our fellow human beings after the Christchurch massacre last?

The AM poll says:
No 73%
Yes 27%

(I promise I have not transposed the numbers today ?)
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March 29, 2019 8:37am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Numbers not dissimilar.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:05am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Can someone post the link, I couldn’t find the poll on their face book page.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  I get on well with most of my neighbours in New Zealand.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:45am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I don’t bother them and they don’t bother me, much.
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:39am
- DigNap15
  
  If it was New Zealand neighbours day, I might be more interested.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:04am
Maggie Pie

We were stopped at the lights in South Auckland last night and i said to my partner
“Look at those poor guys over there with Cerebral Palsy”.
He reckoned they were just making gang signs.
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March 29, 2019 8:43am
alloytoo

Bernard Hickey is touting the Pro-CGT line

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/news/old-landlords-vs-young-renters-on-cgt/ar-BBVlZzZ?ocid=spartanntp

Perhaps we should commission a poll which asks

“Do you support a tax on inflation?”
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March 29, 2019 8:56am
- Inandout
  
  Bernard Hickey is basically still a TV reporter, a job he was OK in.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:46am
  - sooty
    
    Teleprompt reader you mean!
    
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    March 29, 2019 1:34pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      People reading out other peoples words.
      
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      March 30, 2019 3:14am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “A poll of more than 1000 adults early this month found opposition to a capital gains tax was dominated by superannuitants, farmers and landlords, while supporters are overwhelmingly younger and with fewer assets or no property at all.
  
  The Horizon Poll found 35-44 year olds were the most heavily in favour of a Capital Gains Tax, while those over the age of 75 were the most heavily opposed age group.”
  and
  I would suggest that when the 35-44 year olds are over 75 (inevitable I’m afraid, guys) they will switch sides.
  From Alan Reynolds report to the ASX
  Capital Gains Tax Hits Older Tax Payers Hardest
  The concept and measurement of “fairness” in taxation has been muddled by static views about
  the apparent burden in a single year (without even considering the lock-in effect), rather than over
  a lifetime. Young people begin their careers with valuable human capital, which depreciates in old
  age and must be replaced by financial capital. The immediate burden of a capital gains tax falls
  very heavily on the old. The U.S. capital gains tax accounts for a larger share of the tax burden
  on elderly taxpayers earning less than $20,000 than it does for younger taxpayers earning more
  than $100,000.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:51am
Simon

Who comes back to KB just see if your post made it out of moderation?
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March 29, 2019 8:56am
- Lance
  
  And to see how many hours it takes this time
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:10am
BeaB

I hope there will be some serious discussion – conversation?- about the wisdom of un-personning the shooter and never mentioning his name. The media have fallen meekly in line.
Likewise the manifesto. We should know his pernicious ideas.
I think his name and his thoughts should become infamous in our history.
Am I alone in thinking this is the wrong reaction from the PM and the Censor?
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March 29, 2019 8:59am
- RW Capitalist
  
  JK Rowling could not have written it better.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:18am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    As soon as they named “Voldermort”
    Their enemy had a focus that they could attack/resist.
    All the while he was nameless, their attacks were wide spread and largely on each other.
    A very keen observation by JK Rowling.
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      His name is Tarrant and he is a living breathing pos.
      
      Do not forget it and stuff our leader for her childish behaviour.
      
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      March 29, 2019 8:37pm
- alloytoo
  
  In the 1960’s and 1970’s the Apartheid South African government had a practice of “Banning” political dissidents.
  
  This sounds suspiciously similar to “De-platforming”
  which is being currently advocated.
  
  With all it’s Anti-communism rhetoric the South African government back then was surprisingly socialist.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:53am
  - Tall Man
    
    And here we are, falling over purselves to self censor and moderate.
    
    Even no extreme views are questioned.
    
    Just being male, white and wealthy is now a crime.
    
    FFS, what a stupid world we are morphing into.
    
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    March 29, 2019 12:00pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    One of the reasons any cencorship is bad. Including the over zealous moderation of blogs (although I can understand DPFs dilemma)
    
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    March 29, 2019 6:32pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It serves the left as through enforced censorship of his manifesto they can spin his motives anyway they like without fear of being contradicted by the document itself. I understand that he self identified as extreme left totalitarian green who admired Chinese govt – caring less about race than ideology. But he is being portrayed by our ‘betters’ as hard right wing. Who should I believe? The highly partisan and generally intellectually weak/ignorant media or my own lying eyes? Hard left and hard right have more similarities than differences.
  
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  March 29, 2019 5:14pm
Yvette

… The Christchurch terrorist is aware of how his attack will be used – he discusses it in his manifesto … 
He wants to speed up the process of radicalisation on both sides.  He wants his attack to be used to silence people, so that these people will give up on peaceful criticism and turn to violence.

He wants violence to escalate on both sides until there is a war.
He wants a war because he is convinced a war is the only way to stop the advance of Islam … He says he is not scared of Islam, he is only scared of the high birth rates of non-white Muslims.

And how are politicians and journalists and activists responding? 
They are responding by doing exactly what the Christchurch terrorist wanted them to do.. – YouTube, “I Predicted the Christchurch Mosque Massacre” 

Some headlines –
• Islamophobia investigations spread worldwide in wake of Christchurch terror attack
• Christchurch mosque shootings: Anger and protests around the world
• Christchurch vigil or political rally? Why some people walked out of Auckland Domain event
• Christchurch attack: HRC calls out Mossad-blaming Muslim leader.
“We must condemn racism, hate and anti-Semitism whenever we see it.”
• Legal experts say censorship on gunman’s manifesto went too far
• Foreign Minister Winston Peters says Kiwis’ safety abroad could be at risk in wake of mosque massacre
• Australian of the Year nominations flood in for ‘Egg Boy’ Will Connolly
• Turkey President Recep Tayyip Erdogan shows Christchurch terror attack video at another election rally despite Winston Peters visit
• Turkish President warns NZ over mosque attacks, invokes Gallipoli
• I gave up a gun after the Chch shootings. Why are Americans mad at me for it?
• Christchurch mosque shootings: Does New Zealand need hate speech laws after terror attacks?
• Ominous Bible verse left on Christchurch shooting memorial in Auckland
• Austria mulls dissolving far-right movement over Christchurch links
• Political Roundup: Playing the Christchurch terrorism blame-game is dangerous
• More NZers under surveillance: Andrew Little authorises spy agencies to do more ‘intrusive’ activities
• Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern receives death threats on social media
• Teachers and students unite to shut down hate speech after Christchurch mosque attacks
• Politicians must stop inciting division after shootings – MP
• Muslim campaigners condemn New Zealand women for donning headscarves in solidarity with mosque shooting victims, saying: ‘The hijab is NOT empowering for us’
• French Muslims sue Facebook, YouTube over Christchurch footage
• 59 countries to be represented at Christchurch mosque attack remembrance service
• Christchurch terror attack: Snipers and elite cops on guard at National Remembrance Service
• Prince William to visit Christchurch in April to honour mosque shootings victims
• ‘Long overdue’: Facebook bans white nationalism on its platforms
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March 29, 2019 9:02am
- cmm
  
  After the Christchurch remembrance, those 59 dignitaries, and ours, will be flying to Nigeria to commemorate the dozens of Christians murdered there.
  
  Or maybe I got that wrong.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:05am
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    Dozens, sorry but that is hundreds, and that’s in the last month or so. Over a year, thousands, but they apparently don’t matter.
    
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    March 29, 2019 5:50pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Or south Africa to commemorate the 50 or so murdered today and yesterday and the day before….
    
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    March 29, 2019 6:35pm
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… But, but Cat Stevens is coming to ChCh.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:37am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Please say, you are not saying, people are only going for the FREE concert.
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:47am
BeaB

“Adultery and gay sex will be punishable by stoning to death and the limbs of convicted thieves will be amputated under a new law set to come into effect from next week in the tiny southeast Asian kingdom of Brunei. A new strict Sharia penal code is to be enforced from next Wednesday defying heavy criticism that has kept the brutal provisions on hold for the last four years. Homosexuality is already illegal in the former British protectorate, but now it will become a capital offence. The law only applies to Muslims and punishment will also be ‘witnessed by a group of Muslims’.” The Herald
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March 29, 2019 9:08am
- sooty
  
  So they can not expect a rise in the alphabet soup tourism market then?
  
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  March 29, 2019 1:38pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Certainly not from the “rainbows”
    
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    March 29, 2019 5:14pm
Rachael Membery

And the death of the Russian yesterday after being in a police standoff.
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March 29, 2019 9:09am
- Tall Man
  
  That was very sad.
  
  His son will carry that burden for the rest of his life.
  
  I truly hope the “person” that reported him to the police “feelz” vindicated.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:48am
  - sooty
    
    The police did not want the son and wife to talk to him on the phone either.
    What may have been his fond farwells!
    
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    March 29, 2019 1:42pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Or the final straw, I didn’t understand that? Why not let them talk to him, or him to them?
      
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      March 29, 2019 7:37pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Possibly trying to defer the “final farewell” conversation.
        
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        March 29, 2019 8:32pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Ukrainian I think wasn’t he ?
  
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  March 29, 2019 5:50pm
SGA

He wants to speed up the process of radicalisation on both sides… etc…

While several of the “headlines” supposedly reflecting this are questionnable, two stood out –
• 59 countries to be represented at Christchurch mosque attack remembrance service
• Prince William to visit Christchurch in April to honour mosque shootings victims
How do these speed up the process of radicalisation? Is there more to Prince William than I realised?
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March 29, 2019 9:19am
- waikatogirl
  
  Prince Charles and Camilla have been visiting Cuba this week. Is that to promote stability in the region and keep Cuba on it’s path of opening up, while Venezuela is having a build-up of Russian might flying in to support them?
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:35am
  - SGA
    
    Lost me, waikatogirl. According to Yvette, Prince William visiting Chch in April forwards Barrant’s agenda. I can’t see how. Can you explain?
    
    (Tall Man’s routine comments about the coalition (below) didn’t help me much either. I guess when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail)
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:22am
    - Tall Man
      
      Try to understand my questions and answer them.
      
      He wanted to create change and division. My questions asked if you thought we had changed so do you or don’t you?
      
      All this unjustified and continuing fuss makes him even more important than he really is.
      
      How many “services” did we have for the Bain family?
      
      How many “services” were held in Aussie for the Port Arthur massacre?
      
      Do we have a day of remembrance for the almost 700 kiwis who committed suicide? If we did, would our pm turn up in a cloak to “honour” the over 200 maori that have killed themselves since she took office?
      
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      March 29, 2019 12:29pm
      - SGA
        
        Obviously there are many who, unlike you, think this “fuss” isn’t unjustified, and see it more as an act to spite Barrant rather than forward his cause.
        
        We live with the slow accumulation of deaths from suicide or road accidents. Rightly or wrongly, mass deaths in our own backyard, such as this massacre, the Chch earthquake, the Tangawai disaster, or the Wahine sinking, grab the public’s attention much more readily. In the case of the recent Chch massacre, perhaps even more so because it wasn’t just an “act of god”. You might argue that it isn’t right, fair, or “justified”, but that’s the way it is.
        
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        March 29, 2019 1:24pm
      - Tall Man
        
        SGA, those that “think” differently to me in the main are using it for image building and the delivery of private agendas and yes, in some cases, blatant payback to a group they despise….us.
        
        By the way, more freedom or less?
        
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        March 29, 2019 1:57pm
      - SGA
        
        those that “think” differently to me in the main are using it for image building and the delivery of private agendas and yes, in some cases, blatant payback to a group they despise…
        
        Nonsense. There are plenty of rank and file NZers who genuinely get upset about these sort of tragedies.
        Like you, I’m probably a bit more dispassionate about the world than many. I’ve been to one of the vigils (as I went to something similar for the victims of the Chch earthquakes). On the other hand, unlike you I’m not coming on Kiwiblog to “virtue signal” my disdain for those who aren’t as dispassionate as me.
        
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        March 29, 2019 3:54pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Gee, thanks for putting words into my mouth. Certainly save me from thinking.
        
        I’ve never really thought about the suicide stats as “slow accumulation”. 13 per week on average, almost 2 per day. So it takes a month to equal the Christchurch murders.
        
        Slow accumulation…
        
        “Virtue signal distain”….
        
        That’s a new one on me. Let me spell it out for you.
        
        I do not like ardern and the current government. I do not like the way they are currently trampling civil rights in the name “security”.
        
        I did not support what Tarrant did. I do not believe removing semi auto rifke will make a jot of difference.
        
        I do believe there was a “flaw” in the system approving Tarrant’s firearms license.
        
        I do not believe that people should be dobbing others in because they think they look fishy or express a differing view to their own.
        
        Finally, yes, I think the vast majority of those parading around in scarves to show support are misguided and virtue signalling which is why they spend so much time looking around to see who is looking at them.
        
        And as for the two non male green mps, they and their actions are disgusting and if our “sainted” pm does not “call” them out over this it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that she is indeed as shallow as a puddle.
        
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        March 29, 2019 5:29pm
      - SGA
        
        Not a fan of Ardern? Who’d have guessed. For what it is worth, “Jacindamania” wears thin pretty quickly with me too. And, come election time, voters need to look beyond this massacre (which she has handled well, to give credit where I think it is due) and look at the big picture. That said, I find “Jacindaphobia” just as tiresome.
        
        Gun legislation? I don’t see the National Party jumping in to defend your point of view. Against the backdrop of all the head shaking that NZers do whenever there has been similar shooting in the USA (and Australia’s reaction to Port Arthur), something like the proposed changes to the gun laws was going to happen no matter who was in power after an incident like this (imho).
        
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        March 29, 2019 6:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Come on, simple question, more or less freedom after the murders? Do you concede that he has achieved his objective of reducing freedoms and “highlighting” our difference.
      
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      March 29, 2019 8:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  You truly think we are living with more freedom or less than we were in January?
  
  Do you think the media is being honest now than in January?
  
  Do you think our coalition has been more open and transparent or less than in January? (no one really knows as they’ve been on holiday since 15 March).
  
  Do you think ardern is lying more or less than in January? (reference her “confusion” over our foreign minister’s holiday in Turkey).
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:53am
lastmanstanding

It would appear that to be white and a male and support your country is soon to be made illegal.
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March 29, 2019 9:23am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Don’t leave white women out, you are not alone.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    But….is that when you are wearing a scarf?
    
    I wonder whether or not we blokes should try the scarf thingy……
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:44am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Since white males run this country and its industry and maintain its infrastructure, it would be counterproductive to eliminate them. Who would you replace them with that would be up for the job?
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:35am
  - DigNap15
    
    They tried that in Zimbabwe and South Africa
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:33am
    - alloytoo
      
      Stage four load shedding mean anything?
      
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      March 29, 2019 10:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    You silly silly man….
    
    Competence isn’t required…….”likes” are much more important.
    
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    March 29, 2019 10:45am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I thought the correct term was “feelz.”
      
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      March 29, 2019 11:55am
      - Tall Man
        
        Silly man, “feelz” are what you have when you get lots of “likes”.
        
        You really need to get up to speed with the “things” that matter most to our leader. 😉
        
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        March 29, 2019 12:30pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        I thought feelz was a Labour party hand in pants thing….
        
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        March 29, 2019 6:40pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Should be worth a photo, bouffant hair, a pretty one or utilitarian? How can they be modest if making a fashion statement?
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:36am
  - The King
    
    [laughs in UN migration compact]
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:42am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Army recruitment and membership will soon be illegal, under that definition.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:41am
- JibberJabber
  
  No worries, our own modern-day Nero is fiddling while the economy tanks.
  But that`s ok cos` “amazeballs.”
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:35am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Grandpa, how did the NZ economy tank back in 20__?”
    “Well, Jimmy, at first very slowly, and then very, very quickly…”
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:57am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      exponential decay
      e to the power of labour
      
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      March 29, 2019 5:41pm
hullkiwi

Calling Rodney Local Board (particularly the 3 of you from the Warkworth area), enjoy the remaining 6 months of you slurpping at the public trough. As for Phelan Pirrie (the Deputy Local Board Chair) and your delusions of being the Local Ward Councillor, you have no chance.

Because in 6 months time your re-election’s are not assured after your failed con job you pulled last year.

Last year, these councillors conned (by a narrow margin) to support a proposal to ‘improve Rodney Local Transport’ by paying an extra $150 per annum on our rates. To most Rodney residents this read like, we pay a bit extra ($4.6mill per annum) to get the 683km of unsealed roads sealed. This was a politician’s promise that they could never be able to deliver on.

Instead they have bought with the money: 2 transport consultants (from a Parnell based urban/environmental consultancy and 3 bus services (2 started on 24/2/2019 and the 3rd will start in May). The problem with the bus services is that one of the services had been provided in the past by AT and withdrawn because of lack of patronage, but they pressed on.

So, now Rodney residents are paying for services that carry fresh air (patronage is averaging 2 people per bus). While on those unsealed roads, residents suffer excessive wear and tear on their vehicles; regular diversions on to the same rural roads every time there is an incident/accident on the major routes (SH1 & SH16).

The fundamental problem is these local politicians forgot who elected them and what they were elected to do. That is represent the needs their local residents on a local basis!!!
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March 29, 2019 9:31am
- Tall Man
  
  “The fundamental problem is these local politicians forgot who elected them and what they were elected to do. That is represent the needs their local residents on a local basis!!!”
  
  What utopian world are you hoping for…..
  
  Local, National, International… all politicians adorn themselves with the “cloak” of knowing much more than you and I and the accompanying decision that we now serve them.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:41am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yep Tall Man that is why the Board Chairman (ACT Deputy Leader Beth Houlbrooke) set up community Facebook pages to talk at the community about what we will receive. Only for her to ban people from the page when she gets feedback that does not want, or she attempts to use supporters to shout down those giving negative feedback.
    
    This is what is evident in Rodney, despite the Council’s website stating that Local Board Councillors are meant to engage with local residents.
    
    Yes, it may be utopian to expect that these people will engage with those that they are meant to represent and pay for them to sup at the public trough. But unless we call these people to account, nothing will get better. One of our local members is so silent it is hard to discern what she does for her salary plus meeting attendance fees!
    
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    March 29, 2019 12:02pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Plus your local mp doesn’t rate highly either I guess…..
      
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      March 29, 2019 1:55pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        That depends on who you count as an MP in the Rodney ward.
        
        Geographically, the ward covers Rodney Helensville, the southern end of the Northland seat (Wellsford to just north of TeHana) plus the Maori seat TeTaiTokerau.
        
        So, you’ve got 3 National (Mitchell & 2 junior members) and any number of CoL members.
        
        The only one working for Rodney has been Mitchell.
        
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        March 29, 2019 4:02pm
Simon

A predicted rise in sea levels of between 0.5-1m by 2100 would see high impact waves overcome both natural and built defences, flooding land and waterways with seawater and silt for extended periods.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111626432/doc-issues-stark-warning-over-risk-of-rising-sea-levels-to-nzs-coast

Actual NZ sea level rise 2mm per year. Exactly the same rate of increase in 2019 as 100 years ago. No rate of change despite more evil Carbon in the air than 100 years ago.

Say mid point of the DOC conspiracy theory 75 cms.

Whereas actual will be 81 years at 2 mm for 1.62 cms.

Concerned for the mental well being of the people reading this MSM conspiracy and believing it.
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March 29, 2019 9:31am
- cmm
  
  Considering land upheavals have resulted in movements of metres in that same time, I think I can cope with the 2mm.
  
  In the last 100 years both Wellington and Kaikoura are now metres higher and drier than they were.
  
  If parts of NZ flood, the biggest threat by far is land slumping due to seismic activity. Anyone worrying about a bit of CO2 is being silly.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:12am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I agree, earthquakes in NZ are much more of a threat than a dribble more seawater. The Alpine Fault when it gives in its next overdue movement is projected to be an 8m shift.
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:32am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s not that high, eg stable Auckland and Dunedin are about 1.4mm/year long term, and had higher 50 year linear trends in the 1950’s than now.
    https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=690-002
    https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=690-002
    
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    March 29, 2019 5:23pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  One thing that we never hear about is the land we gain from a changing climate.
  
  While sea level rises may indeed eat away at the edges of habitable land, some land that is currently marginal will become productive. ie the areas that are currently too cold to sustain agriculture will become more suitable for growing crops.
  
  If anyone’s tripped over an article talking about this I’d be very grateful for a link thanks.
  
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  March 29, 2019 11:03am
  - SGA
    
    While sea level rises may indeed eat away at the edges of habitable land, some land that is currently marginal will become productive. ie the areas that are currently too cold to sustain agriculture will become more suitable for growing crops.
    
    Interesting question. I guess that you’d also have to factor in the availability of water for crops and the suitability of the soil compared to those areas that you were replacing.
    
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    March 29, 2019 1:05pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The annual average Temperature of Russia is 1C.
    Warmer temperatures (esp during spring/autumn) will extend their growing seasons.
    https://www.lastampa.it/2017/09/14/esteri/global-warming-is-transforming-russia-in-an-agricultural-superpower-1NaU3js4Jql9VyuhNBP5aP/pagina.html
    
    Probably similar for the Canadian wheatbelt
    and forest lands
    https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/climate-change/forest-change/18470
    
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    March 29, 2019 5:46pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Google Patrick Moore formerly of Green peace. Really good science well explained. Explains why co2 is good and why warmth is good. The greenies must hate him…
    
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    March 29, 2019 6:45pm
- alien
  
  I love the doco’s on sunken cities, guess we’ve had the ocean rise before.
  
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  March 29, 2019 11:06am
- Kabull
  
  Climate alarmists claim that sea level rise rates have doubled since 1993. This video shows the deception and trickery behind those claims.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e82smfcypUc
  
  You might also find this interesting:
  https://principia-scientific.org/climate-fraud-exposed-co2-doesnt-rise-trap-retain-heat/
  
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  March 29, 2019 11:26am
Magoo

How do we delete our comment profiles on Kiwiblog?
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March 29, 2019 9:39am
- JibberJabber
  
  Ctrl-alt-delete?
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:31am
  - maintiens le droit
    
    Looks like wordpress.org has no facility for deleting an account. Too hard somehow so they suggest to just abandon it. Look here:
    https://wordpress.org/support/topic/how-to-delete-my-account-2/
    
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    March 29, 2019 4:19pm
- Tall Man
  
  Why would you want to?
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:36am
- alien
  
  Close your eyes and they disappear
  
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  March 29, 2019 11:00am
Notsofast

The “Marketplace of Ideas” is a good and valid concept. If an idea can’t survive debate, it probably isn’t worthwhile.

I will develop this theme as time passes.
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March 29, 2019 10:11am
DigNap15

Due to the events in Hagley Park today, I am turning off all news media and blogs.
And I ‘m going to play my guitar and work outside.
And email some COL Mps on various topics.
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March 29, 2019 10:34am
- fernglas
  
  What sort of guitar do you play?
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:55am
  - SGA
    
    Air? 🙂
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:24am
  - DigNap15
    
    Its a Greg Bennet full sized accoustic with built in pick ups. (but I don’t have an amp yet)
    But for today I wish I had a Les Paul and a Marshall stack!
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    It may well be a euphemism……..
    
    We’ll never know 😉
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:43am
- Fletch
  
  I tried to watch early on, but turned it off….
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:09pm
- Bell-47
  
  Martin D45
  Takamine 12 string
  Fender Strat.
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:50pm
dcrown

Trump has just overridden DeVos and promised to fund the Special Olympics. He is an absolute statesman and a true blue collar billionaire.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-backtracks-on-request-to-defund-the-special-olympics-i-heard-about-it-this-morning/
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March 29, 2019 10:40am
- Batman
  
  If that was Jacinda doing that we’d all be calling her incompetent and having to fix her own ministers’ fuckups haha
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    Batman, all we need to do is actually watch what she does to see “fuckups” in action.
    
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    March 29, 2019 11:06am
    - Batman
      
      Exactly TM, and it seems Trump isn’t immune from idiotic stumbles.
      
      I mean really, cutting special Olympics funding??? ?
      
      It’s almost as dumb as Cullen’s CGT
      
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      March 29, 2019 11:13am
      - Tall Man
        
        Yep. I may support Trump but I do not think he is immune to silly decisions, as we all are.
        
        At least he sorted this one. Any chance of the coalitions silly decisions being sorted before 2020?
        
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        March 29, 2019 12:14pm
- Fletch
  
  From what I am reading, they didn’t need funding anyway. The govt gave them a mere $17 million, but they regularly take in over $100 million in private donations..
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:10pm
- MCos
  
  Whatever else he might be ‘blue collar’ isn’t one of them.
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:45pm
Maggie Pie

For all of youse in Auckland, heres a wee taste of ‘The CAT’ – currently performimg at Hagley Park

http://www.metrolyrics.com/a-is-for-allah-yusuf-islam-ml-video-ytu.html
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March 29, 2019 11:17am
- Tall Man
  
  Thanks but I’ll pass.
  
  Today is a big day here for us and we’ll use the day to remember that we didn’t harm anyone.
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:11pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Who ever organised Cat Stevens to sing in Hagley Park; give that man a medal.
  His rendition of Peace Train, without accompaniment was dazzling.
  I have liked his music for years. One of my first jobs as a junior accountant, fifty years ago, was attending to the tax return etc for a plumbing partnership named Mathew & Son.
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:31pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    This guy:
    “On 21 February 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie’s execution. He replied, “He must be killed. The Qur’an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die.”[4]”
    
    His excuses about this later are all written up in Wikipedia. But he did say it.
    
    Of all the people in the world to sing at a rally for peace and diversity, they had to ask the man who *did* call for Rushdie’s death.
    
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    March 29, 2019 2:14pm
    - kowtow
      
      You won’t get our fearless media types talking about that . Hypocrites.
      
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      March 29, 2019 4:08pm
    - Swifty
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYnWtPytvhI
      
      This was the day Cat Stevens died for me.
      
      I don’t know who replaced him. Some disgrace of a person.
      
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      March 29, 2019 4:15pm
      - B Phillips
        
        You can’t have been much of a fan then…
        
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        March 29, 2019 6:28pm
      - Swifty
        
        I was actually, and for many years.
        
        But, I guess it’s a failing of mine, I just can’t stand religious zealots who call for death for blasphemy.
        
        Funny that.
        
        It’s ok with you though, obviously.
        
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        March 29, 2019 9:02pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Bono is a major bell-end, but deserves a lot of credit for hiding Salman for many years.
      
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      March 29, 2019 5:26pm
      - kowtow
        
        Like he hid his taxes , while pontificating the west should give debt forgiveness to the third world ?
        
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        March 29, 2019 6:39pm
- toby1845
  
  Here’s another taste of the Cat:
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie
  
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  March 29, 2019 5:26pm
backster

West Coast bridge collapse features early in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9c72m4GG4c&feature=em-uploademail
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March 29, 2019 11:21am
Ross12

I heard HDLA discussing changing the Canterbury Crusaders rugby team’s name earlier.
Has anyone asked the obvious question —before the tragic event of 2 weeks ago had anyone , especially from the Muslim community, questioned or complained about the name ? If not, why is everyone so worried now?
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March 29, 2019 11:52am
- alien
  
  Sounded to me by some of the articles that it wasn’t a name that they actually wanted but was what no rugby gave them. But doesn’t really matter it is just a name, call them anything people want what matters is they will still beat the crap out of everyone else
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  No offense intended but I couldn’t care less what the muslim community, the jewish community, the buddhist community, the christian community or any other religious or non religious community think about the name of a rugby team……
  
  Other than the “community” that supports that rugby team.
  
  Banning horses and shileds and swords is just patently childish, in my opinion. Over sensitising a subject does not engender anything otherr than resentment in everyone, including the “community” the do gooders think they are “supporting”.
  
  That stupidity led to the beheading of a 6 year old boy in Saudi Arabia.
  
  https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/boy-beheaded-by-taxi-driver-in-front-of-screaming-mum/news-story/5263b2e6aecf084ad094d547e4df6804
  
  “However, local residents have claimed it was an “act of sectarianism because the boy was from a Shia Muslim background”.
  
  Can we not stop “highlighting” differences and met on common ground.
  
  I seriously doubt any Christchurch muslim did not attend a game because of the name or the presence of toy swords.
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:07pm
- kowtow
  
  All started with a left wing activist who masquarades as a “comedian.”
  
  In the aftermath of the outrage the media will have dug that up again to create more controversy / change.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/95362569/guy-williams-do-the-crusaders-have-kiwi-sports-worst-name#comments
  
  His piece is from 2017
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:28pm
  - Durden
    
    This joker is Golriz’s live-in boyfriend. They were definitely together in 2017. Reflects pillow talk ?
    
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    March 29, 2019 1:07pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Pillow talk…Stupid talk.
      
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      March 29, 2019 1:19pm
- rockape
  
  I note the NZ flag has 4 christian crosses on it! Maybe the public should have listened to John Key! Are Muslims going to object to living under that flag ?
  
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  March 29, 2019 2:24pm
  - kowtow
    
    Sts George, Andrew and Patrick , in that order of joining the union.
    Poor old Taffies don’t get a look in.
    
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    March 29, 2019 3:38pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I’ll have a bit of fun with that at the bowling club tonight.
      
      One of our members is a taffy. Cheers. 🙂
      
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      March 29, 2019 5:34pm
Stars And Stripes

So the PM has turned up to the National Day of Remembrance in a Maori cloak.
What long bow can be drawn to find some link of relevance this has to what is actually being remembered?
Starting to get very tired of all these acts of “symbolism” personally.
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March 29, 2019 11:53am
- alien
  
  Who really cares what she is wearing. Focus on the issues not the personal crap like what a person decides to wear or how they speak
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:05pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    She should be in China or the West Coast, not necessarily in that order.
    
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    March 29, 2019 12:38pm
    - alien
      
      No different than when key would constantly go down after the earthquakes and for memorials. But alas I don’t think it matters where she is, I doubt she does much anyway and is just the public image prime minister while the actual prime minister winston does the work.
      
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      March 29, 2019 1:00pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Not when there were other matters that needed attention, mind you Jacinda can just pop over to the West Coast from CHCH
        
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        March 29, 2019 1:10pm
  - SGA
    
    Are you trying to turn Kiwiblog into a desolate wasteland?
    
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    March 29, 2019 12:57pm
    - alien
      
      Imagine Kiwiblog if people focuses on what this government was doing wrong instead of people whinging about what she wears, or how bridges talks. Makes me think some of the people would belong more in a woman’s weekly blog talking about her latest article. Let’s see, cgt, increased costs of non subsidised medications, hospitals cutting knee and joint replacements due to lack of funding, the list goes on and on, na what’s more important t is she wore a scarf or a Maori cloak
      
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      March 29, 2019 1:03pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I will when Jacinda does, okay?
        
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        March 29, 2019 1:12pm
  - BeaB
    
    Alien – she cares what she wears and a lot of time and thought go into it. So we should take notice too, as that is exactly what she intends.
    My view is that she has a superb team of advisers who know exactly how to dress her up and school her in what to say, her own natural inclination is to show empathy and, thanks to all of that along with tons of special moments and symbolism, has NZ being showered with love in Turkey and Dubai and god knows where else instead of a jihad or fatwah being issued.
    Good on her and her team. Masterful PR in what could have been a catastrophic situation.
    Now let’s get back to normal life. And please, send John Campbell on holiday or we’ll all need a sick bucket.
    
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    March 29, 2019 1:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  In her sad mind it ticks lots of little “feelz” boxes.
  
  If I was a maori, I think I would be disgusted by this but I’ll look forward to any maori on here making comment.
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:09pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Cultural appropriation?
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:11pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Surely not…..
    
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    March 29, 2019 12:22pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Who next? People going to dress up parties get into trouble all of the time, I do hope those same people are going to speak it now.
      
      Or will it now be considered to be a sign of empathy?
      
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      March 29, 2019 12:49pm
- Poppa
  
  She loves dress up parties it seems.
  
  I imagine she will turn up in China in full ceremonial dress(whatever that is)?
  
  Can she not be just a PM?
  
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  March 29, 2019 12:48pm
  - alien
    
    I imagine she will turn up with her head bowed and apologise for the racism from her party towards Chinese people. I find it strange she cut a week long visit to one day and suspect she is not as welcome in China as she thinks
    
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    March 29, 2019 1:05pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Do we have much trade with Islamic countries? I thought that China was important to us?
      
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      March 29, 2019 1:38pm
    - sooty
      
      Or the baby needs a feed!
      
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      March 29, 2019 1:56pm
- Bell-47
  
  The lot of them are milking it for every drop.
  
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  March 29, 2019 1:30pm
- Komata
  
  S&S
  
  So the PM’s in a MAORI cloak!
  
  Given the perrenial (and very selective IMHO) ‘Cultural appropriation’ abuse that ‘Whitey’ gets should he use anything ‘Maori’, should we now expect some negative reaction from the usual cultural ‘Police’ about this ‘cultural misappropriation’ by a verifiably ‘white’ female, or will nothing be said, since those who complain most about this aspect of Kiwi culture, are invariably lefties and therefore one of ‘Her’ lot?
  
  Just wondering.
  
  Thanks.
  
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  March 29, 2019 1:45pm
  - SGA
    
    My guess is that if Maori have given you the cloak to wear for such state occasions, then it doesn’t count as “cultural appropriation”. You’ll probably find photos of the Royals similarly attired on the internet.
    
    (Yeah, yeah, I know – “cultural appropriation” seems rather overdone these days – just giving you a serious answer if you were actually interested).
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:24pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Did Cindy wear a head scarf with the Maori cloak?
  
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  March 29, 2019 3:03pm
  - Inandout
    
    I can remember when a pipe band started proceedings.
    
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    March 29, 2019 3:58pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I can remember when they ended them as well.
      
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      March 29, 2019 4:52pm
- Scooter
  
  At least it distracts from the “booties” she always wears.
  
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  March 29, 2019 4:54pm
ABS

Will facebook deplatform Black supremacist groups like BLM, SPLC and the Democrat Party?
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March 29, 2019 12:16pm
- Komata
  
  ABS
  
  No, ‘Birds of a Feather’ and all that.
  
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  March 29, 2019 1:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  No, but mainly because those are not ‘black supremacist’ groups.
  
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  March 29, 2019 2:22pm
  - cmm
    
    No Black Supremacist groups? Huh?
    
    Never heard of Nation of Islam then. Malcom X and those dudes.
    
    They’re the nutters who hold that long ago they had an amazing civilisation and highly evolved technology etc. They had a mad scientist called Yakob created a race of white people “devils”.
    
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    March 29, 2019 3:42pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      ABS did not list any.
      
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      March 29, 2019 3:53pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    BLM is a racist hate group, so isthe SPLC despite being run by elderly whites – or was until a couple of days ago when most of them seem to have resigned over sexual abuse and/or bullying in the workplace.
    
    The Democrats simply act like a racist hate group, really they are a racist hate group.
    
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    March 29, 2019 8:07pm
- The King
  
  The Kahanists who worship murderer Baruch Goldstein who did the exact same thing in a mosque as Brenton Tarrant not only all have facebook pages they have seats in Bibis parliament.
  
  Go figure.
  
  ps. note i said murderer because he was never classified as a “terrorist”.
  
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  March 29, 2019 2:39pm
- burt
  
  The name “Black Power” will also be made illegal and anything they have ever published will be illegal to possess.
  
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  March 29, 2019 3:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I don’t care what the PM wears.. I care what she said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/29/jacinda-arderns-speech-at-christchurch-memorial-full-transcript

I won’t vote for her Government, but I’ll give her full marks for a fine speech.
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March 29, 2019 2:39pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I don’t know what she said. I automatically hit the off button the moment her voice comes over the radio. However, as I absolutely trust your judgment and respect your opinion, I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt in this case. The interesting thing would be how people would react if Trump had said the exact same words… Lastly, she needs to back off now, else she be accused of trying to make political mileage out of this. Two weeks have passed now. (That’s 798 more dead South Africans and nary a word from the world….)
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:32pm
  - Tall Man
    
    20 plus kiwis have taken their own lives as well but there’s no media coverage for that.
    
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    March 29, 2019 9:51pm
Stars And Stripes

The speech might have ticked all the boxes on paper but in reality it was a whole lot of empty hypocritical words.
“Racism exists but is not welcome here” only applies if the people expressing this sentiment are not in your government or supporting parties which keep you in power because if this is the case they will be overlooked or explained away.
Clean your own house first before lecturing others I reckon.
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March 29, 2019 3:03pm
- cmm
  
  So Muslim is now a race?
  
  People killed in this attack were African, Middle Eastern, Asian and white. Possibly Polynesian too.
  
  It was perhaps not a racist attack.
  
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  March 29, 2019 3:47pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”So Muslim is now a race”…..
    
    Cancel their exemption from tax as a religious organisation & let them then decide what they are.
    
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    March 29, 2019 5:40pm
tranquil

We live in a **crazy old world**.

A man kills 50 people in Christchurch and he is rightfully despised.

A man 1400 years ago orders the killing of almost *900* men, women and children – 18 times the number in Christchurch – and founds an ideology.
The ideology’s texts show that the founder raided camel-caravans, owned slaves and much more, yet that ideology is **accepted** and its 1.5 billion followers (who revere its founder) are **fawned over** by the public and media.

Leaders and lefties tell constant lies about Islam (“oh, it’s not the “real” Islam…” ) and are respected for their “knowledge” of Islam.

Other BRAVE and knowledgeable people tell the *truth* about Islam and are scorned and shunned – even **arrested** (as Elizabeth Sabbaditsch-Woolf was).

A book by Jordan Peterson is removed from sale at Whitcoulls.
Meanwhile, the Quran (which is **packed** with hateful verses towards non-Muslims) continues to be sold.

Someone book me a trip to the moon…. 🙁
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March 29, 2019 3:27pm
- The King
  
  Welcome to Marxism, we only got 100 million killed last century but it wasn’t done right! this time we will do it right we promise!
  
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  March 29, 2019 5:49pm
burt

Brunei eh, killing people for being gay… Well at least we now know where to suggest people who hold theses views should move to.
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March 29, 2019 3:43pm
- The King
  
  Questioning Brunei’s Islamic policies huh. Why are you so Islamophobic?
  
  hue hue.
  
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  March 29, 2019 5:55pm
  - Rob2
    
    Adultery and gay sex will be punishable by stoning to death and the limbs of convicted thieves will be amputated under a new law set to come into effect from next week in the tiny southeast Asian kingdom of Brunei.
    
    A new strict Sharia penal code is to be enforced from next Wednesday defying heavy criticism that has kept the brutal provisions on hold for the last four years.
    
    Homosexuality is already illegal in the former British protectorate, but now it will become a capital offence. The law only applies to Muslims and punishment will also be “witnessed by a group of Muslims.”
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12217327&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&fbclid=IwAR1dBWTvQWndMMghfeiLD4ZkJaA8MorYx7tCQq8D5a7tGZal4_V0SzsbiGc.
    
    You couldn’t make this sort of human degradation up if you were in anyway a civilized normal compassionate human being.
    
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    March 29, 2019 7:05pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Helen can`t understand what could possibly be driving these new laws in Brunei,
      https://twitter.com/HelenClarkNZ/status/1111233717111005184
      Hard to imagine the level of self-delusion required to maintain this point of view.
      
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      March 29, 2019 8:56pm
sooty

I see that Cindy is including maoris now in the parade of feelings for Christchurch. Shes given up on the headscarf!
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March 29, 2019 4:27pm
- burt
  
  Given up embracing the symbol of subjugation, wonder why?
  
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  March 29, 2019 5:55pm
sooty

What did Cindy release at 4pm today?
Has she sacked some ministers?
Is Shane been promoted?
The reason she’s in China for one day?
She’s sending a LBGT minister to Brunie?
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March 29, 2019 4:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  It’s supposed to be quite a pretty place but no booze!!!!!
  
  Even their airline has a no alcohol policy.
  
  Looked at it once as they had a cheap UK fare but then saw the no booze…no flight is worth that.
  
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  March 29, 2019 4:47pm
  - DigNap15
    
    And their Sultan had a playboy son with lot sof girl friends!
    
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    March 29, 2019 8:54pm
- burt
  
  Brunei seems to have some serious issues, pity they don’t have more people there following the religion of peace.
  
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  March 29, 2019 5:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is there any other organisation/business in NZ that has copped 17,663 penalties in 5 months?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111546511/call-for-nz-bus-to-relinquish-wellington-contract-after-outrageous-failings

Surely it is time for Chris Laidlaw and Barbara Donaldson to vacate the premises.
http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=117332#more-117332
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March 29, 2019 4:34pm
- Rob2
  
  In Tauranga the have spent $400k to find enough bus drivers. No wonder they have sold the horrible business. No returns for shareholders there.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:37pm
Nookin

From the “sometimes-you-can’t-win” department.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/march/britain-deny-asylum-islam-convert-bible-verses-peaceful.html
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March 29, 2019 4:52pm
- Tall Man
  
  The world is nuts….
  
  Seriously nuts.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:25pm
JibberJabber

Let`s hope now that Judge Stephen O’Driscoll has found some tough guy pants he`ll remember to put them on when he has an accused Rapist or Killer before him in the future.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111660463/custody-remands-for-keeping-christchurch-terror-attack-video
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March 29, 2019 5:14pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Judge O’Driscoll, the same judge I recall, who entertained the idea of bbq’ing with radicalised male who failed at an attack in CHCH. Correct me if I am wrong.
  
  The papers at the time reported witnesses were shaken up.
  Said perp was ordered to undergo councilling at CHCH mosque.
  
  He came to the attention of the courts again post failed attack, for probation violations, but promised to behave and invited O’Driscoll to a bbq.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:54pm
tranquil

Oh, and I forgot to mention in my previous post…..

Naziism resulted in WWII which killed up to 85 million people (according to Wikipedia).
Naziism is despised (and **rightly** so).

Islam?
* Founded by a guy who ordered the killing of almost 900 people – https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Genocide_of_Banu_Qurayza
* A guy whom the Islamic texts say raided camel-caravans, owned slaves and much more.
* The followers of said guy have killed an estimated 270 million people in the last 1400 years –
( https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/ )

85 million dead vs 270 million dead.
Yet is Islam despised around the world?
**Far from it.**

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again –
humanity is **lousy** at learning from history.
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March 29, 2019 5:36pm
- nasska
  
  But killing people is okay when your Skydaddy says so.
  
  Glad I could clear up the confusion.~
  
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  March 29, 2019 5:49pm
- The King
  
  Could of taken any one of the 18 peace deals Hitler offered. But ok.
  
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  March 29, 2019 5:51pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111645596/the-10yearold-boy-on-a-bike-the-edgecumbe-store-owner-who-assaulted-him-and-a-failed-bid-to-overturn-the-conviction

So this looks like another case of a white man being found guilty of assault, but there is no description of the kid and his brother.
The man is named. His workplace is named.
There is no identification of the feral kid.
Why?
What is the bet the kid will do the same thing again and again in future, and enjoy the same anonymity and protection.
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March 29, 2019 5:38pm
Fletch

Trump actually says out loud at a rally, whether Dems want to continue defrauding the public with “ridiculous bullshit” 😆

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1111416396867493888/video/1
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March 29, 2019 5:44pm
- Inandout
  
  It is about time someone mentioned the insanity of the Democrat rabble.
  
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  March 29, 2019 6:05pm
  - Rob2
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFYnU77f8XI
    
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    March 29, 2019 8:41pm
nasska

I’ve just read the Prime Minister’s speech to the adoring multitudes at Christchurch today. (May I suggest you refrain from following suit until your tea has reached the point of no return.)

In any case, after analysing the verbiage, I’m left with the opinion that I have underrated her as a political operator. The feelings laden crap would have captured 99% of the nation’s females & at least 1% of the potential male audience.

She has no substance, no idea & no ability but brother……can she emote!
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March 29, 2019 6:46pm
- MrTips
  
  I very much doubt she wrote it, but she will have briefed the writers,” gimme the emote.”
  
  She delivered it well, but hers and other media writers keep nicking stuff from elsewhere like Em. Pope Benedict (banality of evil), Ann Herbert (acts of kindness), Don Henley (end of innocence)…..
  
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  March 29, 2019 6:59pm
  - nasska
    
    She definitely didn’t write it or choreograph the delivery. As you point out the speech was full of plagiarisms but lacked the buzzwords & slogans that typify an Ardern response to anything.
    
    Instead we were treated to raw emotion, pure emotion, gut-wrenching emotion. The only thing lacking was sincerity.
    
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    March 29, 2019 7:10pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Yep, if you can fake sincerity, you`ve got it made.
      
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      March 29, 2019 7:46pm
- B Phillips
  
  I understand her popularity, and I think if she had a strong team around her National would be in a lot of trouble. Fortunately for them and unfortunately for NZ, they are utter shit ?
  
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  March 29, 2019 7:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, I’ll put my hand up as being one of the captured 99%
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/03/general_debate_29_march_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2464749
  
  But seriously… I’ll always go for messages/words of peace.
  
  The Nats need to work carefully within the framework that now surrounds Jacinda. She has acted as a unifying figure.
  
  Whether she can hold together disparate groups who attempt to capitalise on the Chch tragedy remains to be seen.
  
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  March 29, 2019 7:24pm
  - B Phillips
    
    I agree Maggie. Attacking JA would be madness, it has to be framed as “She’s done a great job, was fantastic in CHCH but has been badly let down by her team in these areas.
    Simon cannot compete in a popularity contest. He has to say our team is stronger and here is why.
    
    If they try anything else it will 3 more years of Labour. A CGT and who knows how long to fix the damage to the economy, education, social welfare, housing, our trading relationships etc etc
    
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    March 29, 2019 7:32pm
    - Tall Man
      
      A PR person would have done the exact same job.
      
      She’s all shine and no substance and if anyone truly believes she is sincere I have a couple of rusty old bridges in Brooklyn to sell you.
      
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      March 29, 2019 9:39pm
      - B Phillips
        
        You and I would agree, I didn’t say she was awesome at anything.
        But sadly Tall Man right now we are not in the majority and thinking we are is simply crazy.
        
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        March 30, 2019 6:29am
  - MrTips
    
    I think that unlikely. You can’t control that amount of crazy. And for what it’s worth, got stopped by a cop at zero dark stupid this am walking through Hagley Park. Got chatting; it’s not Ardern anyone is listening too on that front right now. Her “unifying” is not going to last that long imo, once reality sets in.
    
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    March 29, 2019 8:11pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    It was very good
    I’d cynically suggest she practiced it and she certainly didn’t write it. Interesting about the plagiarism- sounds ‘pretty legal’ though eh.
    Will the feel good last?
    For some yes, but I think the slowing economy will start to bite especially since summer is pretty much over.
    Eventually the glitter falls off.
    
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    March 29, 2019 8:12pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  She’s captured my daughter temporarily but my wife won’t be voting for her again. The GFC will put finish to this COL as they simply are out of their depth in management. Govt requires more than theatre when money is concerned.
  
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  March 29, 2019 10:04pm
rightoverlabour

The Gestapo would be proud. This is fucking ridiculous. Denied Bail, FFS

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12217619

Christchurch teen arrested for objectionable material after mosque terror attacks
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March 29, 2019 8:25pm
- Inandout
  
  This is important but just another fatal injury. The ‘objectionable teen’ won’t get bail but what is the bet this perpetrator does?
  
  A 17-month-old child critically injured in Tauranga on Wednesday has died at Starship Hospital, police say.
  
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  March 29, 2019 8:56pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Remember say 5 or 10 years ago when these cases were on the news and talk back for weeks.
    I think we are all over it now.
    They must be really proud of their Maori culture!
    If I were the police I would not bother to attend.
    
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    March 30, 2019 6:34am
- Tall Man
  
  This is unacceptable behaviour by our police and justice system.
  
  3 remanded in custody, the ex Russian soldier dead, his son threatened with arrest.
  
  How many shared 9/11 footage?
  
  Hey lefties, aren’t you just proud of our country at the moment? Think of how many people you can get “payback” on in the days to come.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:30pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Police State has arrived.
  
  Also, I understand the PM did not acquire the cloak as an honorific from a ranking chief on an appropriate marae. Without that it is no more than a costume item and culturally inappropriate.
  
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  March 29, 2019 9:56pm
All_on_Red

AOC -‘The world will end in 12 years due to Climate Change!’

Al Gore – ‘I’ve been saying that for the last 30 years!’
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March 29, 2019 8:31pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/chch-terror-teen-road-rehabilitation

Plan and attempt a terrorist act : get supervision and councilling.

Possess objectionable material : get refused bail by this judge.

Something doesn’t add up.

Will the same supervision and rehabilitation be afforded to those possessing material deemed objectionable that have been refused bail?
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March 29, 2019 9:02pm
All_on_Red

Modern language
Brexiting (verb)
Telling everyone at the Party you are leaving but actually staying
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March 29, 2019 9:12pm
nasska

Since we’re all lining up to walk through the looking glass & live in a parallel universe where the vernacular is “Newspeak” I thought I’d better bone up on some of the required words & phrases:

…….doubleplusgood – Replaces excellent, best and benevolent
…….doubleplusungood – Replaces terrible and worst
…….facecrime – An indication that a person is guilty of thoughtcrime based on their facial expression
…….Free – Meaning Negative freedom (without) in a physical sense, only in statements like “This dog is free from lice”, as the concepts of “political freedom” and “intellectual freedom” do not exist in Newspeak
…….joycamp – Forced labour camp
…….sexcrime – any and all sexual activity which is not specifically goodsex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Newspeak_words
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March 29, 2019 9:18pm
Tall Man

If you are interested.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_86334/petition-of-hayden-livingstone-kiwis-request-reasonable
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