General Debate 23 March 2019

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Captain Mainwaring

Mrs.Mainwaring went to the supermarket yesterday afternoon wearing a headscarf, and I have no problem with that.
I asked her how many women she saw similarly attired and she said zero.
So is what the media is telling us not what is really happening?
Wouldn’t be the first time.
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March 23, 2019 8:00am
- SGA
  
  I imagine it depends where you were. What did the coverage of Hagley Park look like?
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:21am
- srylands
  
  At a guess I would say that about 15 percent of female public servants in Wellington were wearing headscarves.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:45am
  - David Garrett
    
    srylands: And you can bet your arse that those very same women abhor female circumcision; physically “correcting” wives (so long as the loving stick isn’t thicker than a thumb of course); the fact that to rebut one male witness there needs to be three (or is it four??) female ones; that Muslim men can dress as we do at the beach, but women have to remain covered; that on divorce the kids remain with the father, and the mother has no rights of access to them until they are 18, etc. etc. etc.
    
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    March 23, 2019 11:19am
    - Tall Man
      
      David, as a frequent traveller, I wish muslim men would dress like I do at the beach.
      
      Budgie smugglers are no longer in fashion…
      
      https://youtu.be/aYgbm8NPO34
      
      Mental health warning on that video people….
      
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      March 23, 2019 11:38am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Write these things while you can. ‘Hate speech’ laws will get *you* in trouble for simply stating facts about theocratic regimes.
      
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      March 23, 2019 12:39pm
      - Harriet
        
        Exactly. And which will include Iran, and the autocratic China, and then eventually once emboldened, Indonesia.
        
        There’s no future here if they change speech laws. All the King’s Men will have gone, the whole British Empire finished, just look at the UK and South Africa. It’s really only NZ and Aus left as relatively free and peaceful. Up until just recently. What happens after Brexit is what matters most.
        
        Now that Cindy has got rid of the guns – it’s civil war time. But she’ll miss the point of that too, and run with a speech ban.
        
        Just like she said “Comrade”. 😎
        
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        March 23, 2019 5:43pm
- Ford Prefect
  
  There seemed to be quite a few in Wellington, but when I think about it it was probably only about 1 in 20. I also noticed than when 1:30 came along they gathered in the main squares. Obviously not enough to be at one with the muslim community but more important to show you were.
  Virtue signalling to the max
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:07am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I was looking for a park in Wgtn on Friday, took 3/4 of an hour (typical).
    I saw 3 head scarves/hijabs out of, I would say 1000’s of people walking the street.
    How many of those were Muslim, I didn’t pay attention.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:02pm
- madamezucchininz
  
  …..the husband went to the supermarket yesterday and all the check out girlies were wearing scarves bar one……the husband went to the bare headed check out as he thinks wearing a scarf is tokenism…..
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:31am
  - PhilP
    
    Went to the bank yesterday to ask a question and just one cashier out of 6 was wearing a scarf, an older woman. I of course proceeded to one of the non head scarfed women. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely abhor what happened in Christchurch, as does any sound decent NZ”r, but the tokenism has gotten out of hand.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:11pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Well the (young) women at my work cafeteria were wearing them. Unfortunately some of the subtlety and poignancy was lost on them.
  For all the women concerned it was clearly more of a fashion statement – worn as African head scarves rather than in the traditional hijab manner (like Jacinda had done).
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:05am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Thousands Captain, Thousands. May be whole country if the enthusiasm of the MSM is an indicator….
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:34pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  I was in Auckland domestic airport on Friday morning for about an hour. The place was pretty busy but in the whole time only saw one woman wearing a head scarf. Was quite surprised by how few there were.
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:57pm
Lee C

“The Christchurch mosque shooter possibly secured Jacinda Ardern’s second term as Prime Minister in 2020.” Discuss.
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March 23, 2019 8:04am
- srylands
  
  18 months is a long time.
  
  I was shocked by the event. However I don’t buy into “things will never be the same again” theme. This was a terrible act undertaken by a terrible person. Actually New Zealand WILL be the same again. The same great things and of course the same problems, many of which are simply not being addressed. So I don’t think it will make much difference a year from now.
  
  Of course I could be totally wrong. ?
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:19am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I do hope so! The alternative is I’ll start stockpiling toilet paper for when there isn’t any available, and I thought putting a ‘preventive’ Hammer and Sickle on my front door might help. ?
    
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    March 23, 2019 8:40am
    - srylands
      
      This is a video of a Caracas supermarket. About half of the supermarket has nothing but heinz tomato ketchup. At 6.3 million bolivars per bottle. ? No toilet paper though.
      
      https://youtu.be/uGdEL5qMC5M
      
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      March 23, 2019 8:53am
    - Tall Man
      
      Keeping a hammer and sickle behind the door may be more useful…….
      
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      March 23, 2019 9:39am
      - David Garrett
        
        Tall Man: Good thing you are still using a pseud…otherwise you’d need to prepare for a visit from the polis for that comment mate…Noone is allowed weapons for self protection…
        
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        March 23, 2019 11:21am
      - Tall Man
        
        David, that is not correct.
        
        One possesses a hammer for carpentry and a sickle for cutting brush, grass or weeds. Together they represent the former sovbiet union.
        
        A firearm is owned for many reasons but…
        
        “A person is required to have an honest belief that they or someone else is at imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm at the time they discharge the firearm.”
        
        From the NZ Fire Arms code.
        
        Now for a real hammer…
        
        https://photobucket.com/gallery/http://s136.photobucket.com/user/Boka77/media/DnD/DanenGreef02.jpg.html
        
        My humour and yours may not always coincide.
        
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        March 23, 2019 11:34am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        David, I’ll just repeat a quote someone gave me.
        I’d rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6.
        
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        March 23, 2019 12:04pm
    - Jules99
      
      Making sure your passports are up to date.
      
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      March 23, 2019 9:56am
- Berend de Boer
  
  This maybe or not, but I’m 100% sure that given the binary choice between 50 dead or her losing the election, she would have chosen the latter.
  
  So probably you want to more carefully reword what you are trying to say.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:23am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    She may want to assemble a working group, before making that decision.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:06pm
  - tavita
    
    Maybe. Maybe not. Politicians risk other peoples lives in the abstract all the time. Can we afford this new drug? Enforcing a national 30 km/h speed limit would probably save 50 lives and lose the next election.
    
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    March 23, 2019 2:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Communication and compassion are her strengths, helped immeasurably by a compliant media, but fortunately she still has 18 months to display her ineptitude in other important areas, such as running the country.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:23am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The GFC is showing up in declining production/trade world wide. That will show up the severe lack of ability of the selected govt.
    
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    March 23, 2019 8:40am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and if she can fake that, she’s got it made.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:07pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Captain, ‘communication’, really? Don’t we often hear her dancing around a question with endless ‘um’ and ‘ah’ and no actual information?
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:44pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Come on. Have we forgotten “I don’t recall” ..?
      
      Why is the PM (either type) expected to be instantly across the finer details of everything that is going on?
      
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      March 23, 2019 6:01pm
- KiWombat
  
  Lee – I tend to believe that this incident has saved her having to produce another baby to coincide with the election. She can bank that idea for 2023 !
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:28am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    Will there be partner to father it? If it was me I would be long gone having fulfilled the requirement of however many years it takes to split 50/50 (unless everything is in her name) but still might be worth staying to share the perks that come with her retirement plus the fact that there will be plenty of young nubile girls willing to play with a “publically” wealthy de facto men.
    
    After all the marriage vows have never been taken. That may well happen in order to appease the cultures who kowtow to her in public but whisper “najif” under their breath and to so many dozy Kiwis it would be the event of the year covered by every women’s mag in the world. Fame is addictive. Gotta do it before the election as hopefully afterwards she will disappear into oblivion and look at all the millions she would rake in, with her little one being flower girl of the year it would probably be billions! Even better would be a pregnant Jacinda – worth another trillion! Can’t afford to miss out on that.
    
    Oops, must not be giving idiots good ideas but then again it is probably already part of the election manifesto.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:28pm
- cmm
  
  Quite possible.
  
  They (CoL) are useless at achieving anything.
  
  But feelz and banning stuff is easy.
  
  But once they’ve banned “assualt rifles” (whatever that means), then what next? If all of parliament go along for the ride, then that will not really make is a win for PriNZess.
  
  Then we’re back to pap about Nieve’s 9-month birthday.
  
  Can they keep that going for another 18 months?
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:49am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “alt right”
    Is that a “movement”???
    Is it a religion???
    Is it an organization???
    Is it a club?????
    Or ..is it a new swear word, that socialists use to describe ANYONE who disagrees with them, in an attempt to demonize them into silence?
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:58am
    - waikatogirl
      
      YEP!
      
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      March 23, 2019 11:00am
    - MickMac
      
      RW
      11:30
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      March 23, 2019 11:32am
- redqueen
  
  If your Government relies on a horrible tragedy to secure an election, then that tells us both about your Government and the people who vote. However, as said above, 18 months is a long time to milk even this kind of tragedy and it won’t be ‘an issue’ by election time (she can use some tired slogans, maybe show off her trendy anti-gun ‘achievements’).
  
  So, no, by then the failures of KiwiFail, the impending and horrid CGT, and the political problems caused by things like the slush fund, let alone constant poor behaviour by ministers, will catch up with them. If this had happened right before the election, ‘maybe’, but this is too far out to produce any real electoral benefit.
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:36am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “However, as said above, 18 months is a long time to milk even this kind of tragedy ”
    Never underestimate the power of the MSM, on a “slow news day” to REMIND people.
    Never underestimate the power of the MSM, they now have an alternative to BABY….
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    On the other hand, after this is all finished.
    Unlike Christchurch earthquake, there will be no ongoing work to do and no rubble to look at.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:51am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Images of a mournful woman in a hijab and that woman also with a cute baby. MSM will use these to pluck at the heartstrings of every *Christian*.
      
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      March 23, 2019 12:48pm
  - madamezucchininz
    
    …..I hope so……this lot are wrecking the country…..
    
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    March 23, 2019 10:35am
  - calendar girl
    
    By the time of the next General Election, I trust that the National Party will be equipped to provide some accurate data on serious gun crime, e.g. numbers of deaths and serious injuries to persons other than the shooter over x days (i.e. post-15/03/2019) v. numbers of deaths and serious injuries over x days pre-15/03/2019.
    
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    March 23, 2019 10:37am
    - Ian Boag
      
      You mean they will legalise M16 knockoffs again?
      
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      March 23, 2019 6:03pm
  - Paulus
    
    Despite HER not putting a foot wrong this week 18 months is a long time.
    Trade deficit is wider than ever.
    
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    March 23, 2019 2:24pm
  - The King
    
    > Implying Al-Jacindi Al-Ardeni will hold elections now she has control.
    
    Why are you people so naive? She is a socialist Marxist. Getting real tired of having to point out History of Communist,Socialism,Marxism to people.
    
    But it all makes sense now why so many died last century.
    
    They were all naive.
    
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    March 23, 2019 3:05pm
  - cmm
    
    The way people are talking she will be on election posters with a Nobel medal hanging around her neck.
    
    I can already here the acceptance speech: “I accept this medal on behalf of the people of Aeotaroa and world peace.”
    
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    March 23, 2019 4:26pm
- secondcumming
  
  Well, it has certainly secured her the *Nobel Peace Prize*
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:01am
  - sooty
    
    May it bring in lots of job offers!
    But I suppose she has to do the time to get the gold plated super?
    How long, does she have to be PM?
    So she will not be leaving as soon as I hoped!
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:29pm
  - Twinkletoes
    
    You mean peace in NZ which was and is again a peaceful country or because all jihadis have laid down their arms around the world? Look at the revenge killings that have occurred in Canada, Nigeria and the Phillippines which have had absolutely no mention in our media (unless I have missed something).
    
    Stupid me – if a muslim loving corrupt President of the US can attain that goal what is stopping a silly little girl from New Zealand being awarded the same prestigious honour? She is New Zealand’s Obama – useless.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:42pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Free with your next box of cornflakes.
    
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    March 23, 2019 1:13pm
- Cunningham
  
  I believe it has. I know the election is a long way off but consider how unlikely a one term government is anyway let alone now when she had almost become almost god like in the media and general public eyes. It’s harsh for bridges as he’s done his best to show compassion this week but he has no show now. Just my opinion
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:17am
- rightoverlabour
  
  If a political party requires terrorism to get re-elected, there is a small problem with that party…..
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:01pm
- redeye
  
  If she goes with a CGT then people will, as they always do, vote with their wallets. Or their parents wallets. And wont it be fun to see how the fawning overseas media will react.
  We’ll all be selfish greedy far right arseholes.
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:18pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Absolutely…even 2023 in my view
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:37pm
harvey wilson

You can still order this through Whitcoulls .

https://www.whitcoulls.co.nz/product/full-auto-volume-1-ar-15-modification-manual-978087947061637931

Golly G still using the massacre to try and raise her profile as much as possible celebrates the banning of 12 rules for life because he demonises minority’s which is an absolute lie. Of course she described the man in Rwanda whos trial she worked on only being a pop singer . He spent days on air exhorting Hutu to slaughter Tutsis who he described as snakes and vermin .

https://mobile.twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1108634523888058369

If you read the thread it’s obvious she doesn’t have a clue about the book. NZ has also not banned semi autos despite her assertion otherwise.

How is someone so utterly ignorant our minister of defence………. oh right .
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March 23, 2019 8:11am
- harvey wilson
  
  Marama Davidson still using the massacre to preach hate and racebaiting . There’s a suggestion of violence in this tweet .
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/rpcnz/status/1109020674008346624/photo/1
  
  There seems to be an air of euphoria amongst the far left in the wake of the massacre, they seem to think of it as an opportunity to grab power and media attention.
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:24am
- Tall Man
  
  That’s what I have been saying, adapting many firearms is still an option. Remeber john barlow was able to modify a pistol to fire two differing calibers but switing the barrel and receiver.
  
  From now on, I will not click on any article with a green mp’s name in the headline or ardern the liar.
  
  I find it sickening that someone is facing charges for assaulting jimmy 2 mums yet the same type of assault on an Australian politician gains the perpetrator “hero” status. Anning should have wacked him significantly harder.
  
  What’s the difference? The left didn’t like what Anning said so all bets are off.
  
  How about the big drive for “diversity” and “kindness” from ardern the liar and her pathetic sycophantic followers includes those who have a differing opinion to them?
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:50am
  - Swifty
    
    ztev was on here the other day saying that bigotry from the left is ok because it’s only righty bigotry that leads to mass killings, or some bullshit explanation like that.
    
    The hypocrisy from the left on display recently is just breathtaking.
    
    According to many on the left; intolerance, racism, bigotry, hate speech, assaulting politicians etc etc is all ok when it’s them doing it.
    
    When righties are doing it it is always bad and must be destroyed.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:01pm
    - Komata
      
      Swifty@1201
      
      Agree. It’s very, very interesting to see that although Muslims of any shade killing Chritians and other religious groups engenders little or no comment from a supposedly ‘neutral and objective’ media, the minute a white western guy does the same it’s a ‘Crime against Humanity’, with the MSM and others of similar opinions trying to outdo their mates with faux and carefully scripted outrage
      
      The hypocrisy is evident…
      
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      March 23, 2019 8:32pm
Urban Redneck

How? Anyone can put on a hijab and offer up a display of gauche, maudlin sentimentality.
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March 23, 2019 8:13am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Yes but not everyone has a small army of loyal followers who also decide how news is reported to most NZers.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sad, but true.
    
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    March 23, 2019 11:41am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    And there is the rub.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:55pm
Happychappy

After years of playing the electoral system condeming our Immigration system and Muslims Winston Peter’s is now singing a different song and telling the World how we are looking after them now. The World should know how he has played the elderly to get their vote over many years and then lied and let them down, so be aware if a Muslim attack happens on our shores Mr Peter’s is likely to change his mind and play the blame game once more. Peter’s is a bigot and the sooner he is voted out will be better for NZ Politics.
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March 23, 2019 8:15am
- Inandout
  
  Happy, the List MP Winston Peters was not voted in by the public, and he has no intention of remaining in the Circus. He has chosen the softest portfolio which allows copious amounts of overseas travel, thus a perfect swansong for a retiree. Peters is a survivor who sat at Muldoon’s feet and absorbed all the ‘wisdom’ that the latter expounded. A shame Muldoon didn’t pass on the work ethic also, but silk purse, sows ear comes to mind.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:43am
- David Garrett
  
  Happy: He is also reported this morning as saying to overseas media that Tarrant “will spend the rest of his life in isolation” thus quite possibly jeopardizing Tarrant’s right to a fair trial.
  
  No, I despise the prick as much as the next man, but that is our law. Giving him a fair trial was always going to be difficult; Peters has just made it even more so. What makes the comment even worse is that Peters was once a lawyer.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:59am
  - G152
    
    Evidently the President of Turkey was unimpressed with Peters by rescreening the video at his reelection campaign
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:37am
  - MickMac
    
    DG
    09:49
    Like Golly, I hope he continues in this light and gets pinged for it judicially and politically later.
    
    [DPF: Her name is Golriz. If you call her Golly in future the comment will be deleted]
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:51am
    - Tall Man
      
      David, from my little local knowledge that may well be a “nickname” she chooses to allow.
      
      I may be wrong but I basically see that you want her treated with respect.
      
      Based on her behaviour over the past week I sincerely believe she does not desrve respect.
      
      Her labelling of “white males” as racists etc includes you in her insults.
      
      Remember, “turning the other cheek” is not an invitation for another smack.
      
      But, it’s your blog and your rules so I will refrain from mentioning the hateful woman entirely. Probably better for my blood pressure.
      
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      March 23, 2019 11:24am
    - MickMac
      
      Thanks DPF
      Good to know.
      
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      March 23, 2019 11:44am
    - PhilP
      
      FFS, it’s just a nickname used many many times before the tragedy, why now is it unacceptable?
      
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      March 23, 2019 12:30pm
    - Twinkletoes
      
      Is this what it has come to under this Govt.?
      
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      March 23, 2019 12:57pm
    - lilman
      
      Really,you are that scared of life now?
      
      Censor crap but comments being censored like the above detract from this site.
      
      White middle aged men, as a name will be censured now if you are consistent.
      
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      March 23, 2019 1:04pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      DPF, I was surprised to see your censure of MickMac, re. his use of the word “Golly”, in reference to Golriz Ghahraman. That seems to me to be somewhat over-the-top. Although context is certainly everything, it wouldn’t surprise if some of her gal-pals call her that.
      
      You are clearly shaken by the tragedy that has taken place. I suspect that one reason for that, is that it has occurred to you that it could so easily have been a synagogue that was attacked.
      
      As has been noted, it’s your blogsite, so you are entitled to set the rules. However, if your censure of MickMac is driven by a desire on your part for Muslims to be treated with respect by Kiwibloggers, then it should also be noted that Ghahraman is not a practising Muslim. This fact is made clear at her Wikipedia page, the relevant excerpt of which reads—
      
      “Her father was Shia and her mother a Kurdish Sunni, though neither parent was religious. Ghahraman describes herself as “agnostic—some days I would say atheist”, noting that “It was important for me to get up and say I’m actually not religious at all, because the Middle East also has diversity within it”.
      
      I would also point out that in her speech in parliament on Tuesday, Marama Davidson said, “I acknowledge that today, there is not one Muslim voice in this House.” (See here, at 8m 30s – https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=205579.)
      
      Furthermore, far worse things are said by Kiwibloggers about other MPs, particularly the prime minister and deputy prime minister, which you have not now stepped in and called time on.
      
      I know you are preparing a major statement regarding the rules that Kiwibloggers must abide by in future, which you intend to post in about ten day’s time. I look forward to that piece with interest.
      
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      March 23, 2019 4:18pm
      - Twinkletoes
        
        I don’t know if you are old enough to remember Robertsons’ Jams – perhaps they never exported to NZ, but every jar ha little black paper golliwog just under the cap. If you saved so many you could send them to Robertsons and they would award you a golliwog enamel broach. Banned many years ago in UK but extremely popular with all “God’s chillen” in the early post war years.
        
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        March 23, 2019 10:19pm
    - namron
      
      Help! Help!
      Could someone please start a website which allows for reasonable criticism [as this one once did] as it now seems to have lost all credibility and contributors are unsure what is now acceptable.
      As with many contributors, this new puritanical attitude is causing me hesitance and uncertainty – and questions such as – what’s gone wrong with the Boss?
      
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      March 23, 2019 5:02pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Go for it!
        
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        March 23, 2019 6:07pm
  - Tall Man
    
    He may have had an LLB but I doubt he was any good at it which is why he went into politics…he needed to feed his ego and the law didn’t do that.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:59am
  - SGA
    
    I didn’t see the original, David. Was Peters meaning as a punishment, or as a natural consequence of the risk of other inmates doing him physical harm?
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:59am
    - David Garrett
      
      SGA: I am relying on a report on Stuff..yes, yes, I know…
      
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      March 23, 2019 11:25am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    I don’t think WP has really prejudiced the perpetrator’s right to a fair trial. I can’t really see any court saying that because of WP’s statement that it is not possible to try the (alleged) perpetrator. There are a huge number of reports in the media and elsewhere that say the person arrested is the perpetrator (as opposed to saying he is the alleged perpetrator).
    
    In any event I think WP’s comment was more about the likely circumstances of imprisonment once the perpetrator is convicted.
    
    This is an issue the authorities will have to carefully think about. It is certain that he will spend the rest of his life in jail.
    
    I suspect Corrections will have to establish a max secure unit within an existing secure unit. It seems highly unlikely he could mix with other prisoners, not just now, but for many decades hence. That means a seperate cell and separate exercise area, sectioned off from the rest of the secure unit.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:18pm
SGA

She certainly hasn’t done herself any harm over the last week, and some of that good will will linger. But a year is an age in politics. As the saying goes, there’s many a slip ‘twixt the cup and the lip
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March 23, 2019 8:20am
DigNap15

@Not my pm.
Seeing her all day and every day pontificating about we are all New Zealanders, and caring and kindess and Hijabs juts puts me off her more.

But maybe yes it will increase her profile amongst white liberals.

PS As soon as I see her on tv (if my g/f is watching) I leave the room. So I’ve never actually seen or heard her since the attack.
I would need a constant supply of heavy duty sick bags.
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March 23, 2019 8:23am
- m@tt
  
  ‘Seeing her all day and every day pontificating about we are all New Zealanders, and caring and kindess and Hijabs juts puts me off her more.’
  
  ‘I’ve never actually seen or heard her since the attack.’
  
  Which of your statements was true and which was a lie?
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:34am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Oops, that was meant to be a downtick from me.
    
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    March 23, 2019 11:08am
  - Cunningham
    
    Haha caught out!
    
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    March 23, 2019 11:19am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “increase her profile amongst white liberals.”
  
  Not true liberals. Not anyone who supports equal rights for women.
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:04pm
DigNap15

When will the revenge attack be?
What will Ardern say and do then?
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March 23, 2019 8:24am
- David Garrett
  
  DigNap: Sadly a revenge attack is now a matter of when and not if.
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:01am
  - SGA
    
    In NZ? Not so sure, David, but of course anything is possible. Perhaps the spontaneous response of the large majority of NZers to these events will at least have attenuated that risk. I hope I’m right.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:47am
    - David Garrett
      
      SGA: Oh I hope like hell you are right too mate…
      
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      March 23, 2019 11:26am
    - The King
      
      “spontaneous response of the large majority of NZers”
      
      That never happened, you mean .. “spontaneous response of the large majority of media”
      
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      March 23, 2019 3:12pm
      - SGA
        
        No. Speaking for myself, within an hour or two of the event I walked to the nearby local mosque and gave a handful of flowers to someone entering with a quiet “Please take these inside”. I think that was far from a solitary act. Even factoring in the media response, I think there has been a genuine response from rank and file NZers.
        
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        March 23, 2019 4:21pm
      - Tall Man
        
        SGA, why?
        
        Do you carry guilt in some way for this?
        
        My mate’s muslim wife is having about 50 people over to night not to grieve but to celebrate being alive.
        
        In her words, “many of our leaders are professional victims”.
        
        She an her friends are well assimilated into NZ life but they are still muslims just as many others are buddhist or rastafarian or even god forbid..pastafarians.
        
        They do not see themselves as defined by their religion. They are Kiwi first, Indonesian, Indian or whatever second and follow the muslim faith.
        
        Over 200 young maori took their own lives last year, did your local marae get a flower visit from you?
        
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        March 23, 2019 4:49pm
      - SGA
        
        SGA, why?
        Do you carry guilt in some way for this?
        
        Not that I am aware of. Should I? Having seen the video very shortly after the incident, I felt a sense of horror, sorrow, and sadness, especially that someone should do that in my own country. A small gesture of compassion and support followed quite naturally. You can understand that, can’t you? I’d be surprised if you were limited to such acts only when you felt guilty?
        
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        March 23, 2019 8:12pm
      - SGA
        
        In her words, “many of our leaders are professional victims”.
        
        Well, be that as it may, there are plenty of real victims, dead and alive, to go around in this particular case. That’s just the reality, Tall Man.
        
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        March 23, 2019 8:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And possibly where..
    
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    March 23, 2019 10:00am
  - projectman
    
    Yes, but given the (alleged – I’d better say that) killer is Australian, what is the likelihood of a revenge attack being there?
    
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    March 23, 2019 11:21am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Unfortunately Isis types don’t see the outpouring of love and support as a mitigating factor. We are as much a target as we ever were but with the spotlight now firmly put on us. I do fear the future more now than before.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:04pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Look what attention an attack gets, I hate to agree but I do.
      
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      March 23, 2019 3:52pm
  - Twinkletoes
    
    I think they have been and gone – last Sunday a church and its congregation in the Southern Phillippines, Toronto white van and about twenty hacked to death in Nigeria.
    
    When is our revenge attack going to happen, oh, that’s right, we don’t do those, being good and upstanding Christians. We rescinded the biblical eye for an eye long ago but it is still part of their culture, quite literally.
    
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    March 23, 2019 1:06pm
  - V
    
    I’d say that there will be an attack *somewhere* in the world, and the extremist nutters from the other side will use Chch as an excuse.
    And so on it goes …
    
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    March 23, 2019 5:43pm
- Jules99
  
  But Jacinda promised that their will be no retaliation because they are the religion of peace, so I guess our intelligence services can stand down now.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:05am
- tui47
  
  Public opinion regarding the COL would change very quickly. There is a big difference between the responses. The attack on the mosque required compassion and support as it is most likely a one off. An attack of the other sort requires a strong and decisive government to effectively protect New Zealanders and hopefully avoid another. If that occurred then you need to remove the rosy tinged glasses and put Judith Collins and Mark Mitchell in that role.
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:22pm
- Steve42
  
  How would you ever find out seeing as (according to your own comments) you’re not interested in listening?
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:54pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Meteorological Day!
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March 23, 2019 8:24am
- SGA
  
  According to reports, it should be mainly happy with isolated periods of irritation.
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:27am
- RW Capitalist
  
  We have a day for those that:
  Couldn’t predict they’d get wet, if they were standing in the harbour.
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:38pm
- Twinkletoes
  
  Thank you, milky.
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:07pm
- MickMac
  
  Thanks Mikenmild
  Missed this.
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  March 23, 2019 1:29pm
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If you’re not terrified that a right wing racist just murdered 50 people but you are terrified that a commercial business no longer wants to associate with authors who dehumanise minorities and a politician is happy about that, you are part of the problem.

7:53 PM – 21 Mar 2019

What does it say about Ms Ghahraman, an MP and a member of the criminal bar, that she has already judged the alleged terrorist to be guilty? Not only that, she claims to know his motive.

As much as we revile the crime, and all probably believe that the Police have the right man in the cells, it’s fundamental to our justice system that he is entitled to be considered innocent until the Crown proves him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Ms Ghahraman seems to be allowing politics to get in the way of professional standards. She would be better to say nothing, lest she jeopardises his right to a fair trial.
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March 23, 2019 8:38am
- Berend de Boer
  
  You notice the word “right wing”? Everyone not like her is right wing, and a potential terrorist. What a joy dealing with people like that.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:48am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Everyone not like her is right wing…”
    
    It’s a simple but effective trick (against the weak-minded).
    
    And we know the killer was “right wing” (because the media told us); therefore, the people the Left dislikes are all despicable muderers.
    
    Remember that half of all people in New Zealand are of below-average intelligence.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:21am
    - mark15
      
      You speak for yourself,I’ve got kidneys.
      
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      March 23, 2019 11:54am
    - JibberJabber
      
      And most of those are in the Green Party caucus.
      
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      March 23, 2019 11:58am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Personally I would not rate the killer as right or left wing. He is so far out at the extreme end where the two sort of wrap around.
      
      In the same way that Stalin wasn’t really a commo, Hitler wasn’t a socialist and neither is Maduro. Just nasty dictators …
      
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      March 23, 2019 6:14pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Someone who posts a live video of the violence occasioned can hardly be considered innocent. There are formal legal processes for a declaration of guilt but the outcome and the perpetrator are beyond questioning. The public have short circuited any trial in their minds: officials should seek to expedite the formalities too. The law may not fit these extraordinary circumstances and it would be appropriate to quickly pass empowering legislation if necessary.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:50am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I disagree Kev. However despicable we think the alleged terrorist is, and however much we believe him to be guilty, he MUST be given a fair trial, and the burden of proof on the Crown should not be lowered.
    
    As DPF mentioned last week, if this case does not attract a sentence of life without parole, then it is impossible to imagine what might. But in order for that to happen, there need to be rock-solid convictions on EVERY charge he faces. That is the only way that justice will be done for all the victims, including 3-year-old Mucaad, whose burial my wife attended yesterday.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:41pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Can the public stand a 3 month trial? Lately criminal proceedings seem to have been stretched out. Why was a 4-5 day murder trial acceptable previously but not now? A day once sufficed for everything for an offender caught in action.
      
      The video and Manifesto have been suppressed: are we to have a Courtroom spectacle where are all those details are to be shown? Are we to put the recovered victims and their Mosque friends through the trauma again? Who benefits, if any?
      
      The law does not need holding up. If the offender never appeared again peace would be restored more quickly. Law may need to change to reflect abnormal circumstances.
      
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      March 23, 2019 6:07pm
- MickMac
  
  No Tony
  08:48
  I disagree.
  Let her jeopardise his right to a fair trial, let her give his counsel cause for objections and appeals.
  
  It is what she and the Greens and the rest of them deserve.
  
  No no let her run, it’s easier to hook the fish that way.
  
  Keep track of her machinations here on Kiwiblog, make a note every time, give it a code that can be easily searched for.
  Let the people see……..
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:51am
- David Garrett
  
  Tony S: Peters has already said much worse. See my comment above. God knows how they are going to ensure he gets a fair trial.
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:03am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed David. Peters has also railed against Islamophobia whilst in Turkey, which considering his xenophobic rhetoric over the years is surprising. The internet never forgets!
    
    And wouldn’t it be unfortunate if injudicious comments by two lawyers/politicians about the alleged terrorist prejudiced his right to a fair trial?
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:26am
    - artemisia
      
      Mr Peters didn’t mention ‘the video’ to Turkey’s President, because apparently it was not going to be shown again.
      
      Next minute …
      
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      March 23, 2019 9:50am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Can the lawyers out there please advise how the statements made by the various morons and no doubt future statements might impact Tarrants trial.
    
    I would have thought at some stage a Judge might say the accused is incapable of receiving a fair trial because of the statements made.
    
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    March 23, 2019 10:10am
    - artemisia
      
      What happens next if a fair trial cannot be declared?
      
      Hard to see how the defendant could be denied access to some, maybe all, of the published material. Also hard to find a jury willing and able to look at just the facts of the cases.
      
      Back in the day Lynley Hood’s book on the Peter Ellis trial revealed some to me shocking actions about how much information was withheld, with information presented only where it supported the prosecution’s case.
      
      I would not like to see that happen again regardless of rights, wrongs and public opinion.
      
      Rule of Law.
      
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      March 23, 2019 10:48am
    - David Garrett
      
      lastman: An excellent question…as I have said above, the problems “the system” already had of ensuring the prick has a fair trial just got a whole lot worse…
      
      FES or one of the criminal law brethren are better qualified to comment than me.
      
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      March 23, 2019 11:28am
      - Happychappy
        
        DG do you think Little will censor Peter’s like was believed to have been said to Goggle and Facebook.
        
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        March 23, 2019 12:22pm
- V
  
  She is afraid because he was a self described eco-facist, in the mould of the Green Party.
  As time goes on people will realise this.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:37am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    I really don’t think so V. They have been too brainwashed to think he is a right wing terrorist to ever think otherwise.
    
    Many people I have spoken with are convinced of this there again they are those that only read the Dominion and listen to TV1 or 3 news. Truth is losing the battle against the NZ general media who are complicit in the misinformation these people think is the real news.
    
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    March 23, 2019 10:59pm
- Steve42
  
  You don’t think he did it then?
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:57pm
  - auckwood
    
    I have seen an article claiming of a false flag conspiracy theory complete with supposed video showing cgi effect fails, but with the original being censored and me being a law abiding citizen I chose not to watch anything that could be objectionable!
    
    all mad infowar-type conspiracy theories aside, fair trial rights exist, and these politicians should know better
    
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    March 23, 2019 7:38pm
JibberJabber

Cactus Kate hits another one out of the Park,

https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/03/enough-is-enough-anglican-school.html#comment-form

An everlasting shame that the NZ media don`t have a clue or a grip on reality.
And BTW, I believe Dio relaxed the rule for yesterdays Memorial.
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March 23, 2019 8:39am
- Tall Man
  
  She’s pretty astute.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:10am
- auckwood
  
  Just noticed all the stuff articles linked in that blog have been removed now…. interesting
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:27pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Jesus it’s chilling isn’t it. The effective end of political discourse in this country driven by the facist left
    
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    March 23, 2019 4:39pm
Justitia

Shocked by the photo of the police officer with a rifle and headscarf. How can this be considered appropriate? A pinup for aspiring terrorists?
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March 23, 2019 8:40am
- Berend de Boer
  
  Or simply someone trying to make a human gesture? Don’t try to see the darkest possible explanation of everything. Else you end up being a journalist.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:49am
  - Justitia
    
    The officer can make a human gesture by donating to the relief fund – it’s a personal matter, unlike enforcing the law.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:09am
- MickMac
  
  Justitia
  08:51
  I’m with Berend.
  I actually thought it was very tasteful and energising, esp for young women and young men.
  Kiwi women getting on with their jobs, no matter. good for her and the NZpolice.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:54am
- Happychappy
  
  She wasn’t Chinese so I guess it gives you a chance to grizzle about some thing else,surely like most other Nzer’s she has the right to show solidarity with the rest of NZ’s population that feel that it is their right.
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:12am
- Scooter
  
  Even more shocking is they give her name. It seems we haven’t lost all our naivety.
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:13am
- SGA
  
  Just as beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, I suspect that people’s reaction to such a photo depends on the person.
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:55am
- Joely Doe
  
  Actually, I thought it was a very poignant and thought provoking image.
  It reminded me of Banksy styled art pieces and I could easily picture that stenciled on a wall somewhere, all in black, with a red rose…
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:32am
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08:42
Just read this about the CCH Shooter and his motivations.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/christchurch_conservatism_and_fascism.html
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March 23, 2019 8:45am
- David Garrett
  
  WARNING: No-one should click on the above link, since the Chief Censor has now declared that the manifesto – from which the above author quotes – is “objectionable” and now banned…Oh, you can apply for an “exemption” if you are someone who has a “legitimate” reason for having it…”….including education analysis, and in depth reporting.”
  
  Somehow I don’t think a dreadful alt-right person like me (Christ, do I really have to add SARC??) would be likely to get an exemption.
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:13pm
  - The King
    
    >Human Rights
    
    >Chief Censor
    
    Pick one.
    
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    March 23, 2019 4:19pm
  - NoCash
    
    DG, I’m impressed that you know how to bold text in the comment. 🙂
    
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    March 23, 2019 6:07pm
- V
  
  A recommended read.
  
  Yes, maybe the reaction to the maifesto is because they have suddenly realised a form of ‘eco-facism’ has been taught in the classroom in NZ for at least the last decade.
  Plenty of Green Party MPs have indeed indicated such sentiments, not going to take too long before some nutter comes along and sees ‘people’ as an enemy of the environment and justifies their actions on said lines. Indeed some popular movie culture has contained this as the basic theme/narrative.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:39pm
cmm

Appalling piece in stuff

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111387889/radical-losers-and-lone-wolves-what-drives-the-altright

First off, everyone in “alt right” (whatever that means) is be branded as extremist lone wolves etc. What nonsense.

“At the heart of alt-right thinking, there is a fear that white people are being “replaced”… France has been a hotbed of this paranoid thinking”

Parnoid thinking? WTF?

Since when are cold, hard, facts paranoid?

All demographic studies show that native European women are reproducing below 2 and the immigrants are reproducing at much higher rates. They also reproduce earlier, meaning the exponential effect is much faster.

By 2050 the native French, who breed at around 35 will fit in 0.8 generations. Meanwhile the immigrants kick off at 20 so will fit in 1.5 generations. Roughly double.

French people are going to be a minority in their own country before 2050, even without more immigrant in-flow. The same for most of Europe.

These are not alt-right opinions. They are facts. Facts do not pick sides.

Decrying anyone that looks at the numbers “paranoid” or “alt-right” is destructive.
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- Berend de Boer
  
  Just wink wink journalism. Everyone who is even slightly critical of the journo’s agenda is right wing and should be branded, targeted, and preferably shot, as that creates more stories they can sell.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:55am
- srylands
  
  I suspect that in many workplaces, anyone that reads kiwiblog is suspect. Seriously two years ago I had no qualms about reading this blog openly in an open plan office. Now I read it discreetly on a phone or tablet.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:58am
- David Garrett
  
  cmm: Excellent comment. “Facts do not pick sides”…I like that.
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:05am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Facts do not pick sides”
    
    Let’s have that on a T-shirt / coffee cup.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:24am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I will borrow that idea and put it on another blog.
      
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      March 23, 2019 12:30pm
- DigNap15
  
  Thats why there is a rise in right wing pardies in Europe that want to stop Muslim immigration.
  Eg the new party in Holland!
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:09am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    Talking about the other, do we have enough of their ilk in our secular nation to return a member to Parliament yet? Particularly because the % needed to get someone in is ever lowered. And exactly how many do we have at the moment before the UN Compact comes into force?
    
    Last year, I believe, no Christian refugees were accepted and when asked by a reporter about the number we took Lees-Galloway said: “none and I am not discussing this further” Has this not been raised in Parliament or am I expecting too much from the Opposition?
    
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    March 23, 2019 1:49pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  cmm re “French people are going to be a minority in their own country”: the point of liberals is that the more recent arrivals *are* French people, whatever their family background or skin colour.
  
  In NZ, for instance, we have high-achieving and good people of many descents contributing to our country and culture. Merit, not melanin levels.
  
  Even ideologies and religions can function side by side *within* our equal rights. For some ideologies and religions that means parts of them have to be seen as historical, not literal instructions.
  
  But people are justly concerned when a whole culture is replaced by one that does not respect the equal rights of men, women, gays, jews, apostates etc. and no longer wants freedom of expression.
  
  People who can’t differentiate ethnicity from ideology are the true racists – ironically Left extremists included.
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:13pm
  - cmm
    
    Oh bullshit.
    
    They might be born in France, but they are not culturally French.
    
    Do they eat snails? Do they appreciate a good bottle of wine?
    
    A comparison to NZ is ill-founded because NZ has a very short history.
    
    It is fine having a few people adding some spice to the pot. But when they have enough to sway the trajectory of French norms and politics, they are screwed.
    
    The “City of Love” Paris was once one of the world’s premier tourist destinations for no other reason than French culture. Now it is screwed.
    
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    March 23, 2019 4:23pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      cmm, when does a culture finish developing? As in Asterix, should the Romans never have influenced the culture, language and DNA of France?
      
      I have been to Paris btw and do know what you mean (harassment and threats of violence).
      
      Those were not the “high-achieving and good people of many descents ” that I was referring to. Nor were the horrid white Brits who used to be my noisy neighbours here.
      
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      March 23, 2019 4:49pm
      - cmm
        
        Developing? that sounds very positive doesn’t it? Not all developments are positive.
        
        Some immigration and colonialism is very positive.
        
        Romans brought roads. They brought government. They brought stability.
        
        They did the same for the British Isles, which , together with the rest of Europe, slowly developed into the Western cultural values.
        
        European colonialism then brought that to the rest of the world during the last 500 years.
        
        Slavery, which had been everywhere in every culture, was routed out by European values 200 to 100 years ago.
        
        The recent “immigrants” have brought????
        
        … and slavery is returning.
        
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        March 23, 2019 7:02pm
MickMac

CMN
08:54
I’ve stopped reading Stuff.
REM they won’t print letters to editor from anyone putting up an alt position to climate change as the science is settled…..
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March 23, 2019 8:56am
- emmess
  
  If you have to read it and would like to make a comment then use Dissenter
  https://dissenter.com/
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:07am
- DigNap15
  
  The thing is that aside from Stuff and the Herald, where else are we supposed to get NZ news from?
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:47am
  - Jules99
    
    Fortunately not a lot happens here – LOL
    
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    March 23, 2019 2:12pm
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

Rainbow Warrior = France

Tarrantula = Australia

What a lovely bunch of “allies” we have in New Zealand!
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March 23, 2019 9:10am
- Rachael Membery
  
  And coconuts
  
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  March 23, 2019 4:04pm
Swifty

Oh dear, Remain petition organiser appears to have threatened to shoot the British PM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6840249/Former-college-lecturer-cancel-Brexit-petition-threatened-shoot-Theresa-May.html

Will she now be arrested and jailed for hate speech?
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March 23, 2019 9:46am
- MickMac
  
  Swifty
  12.03
  haha
  Yeah right.
  Like that comedienne holding up Trump’s bleeding head.
  Cost her a lot didn’t it?
  
  It’s another animal farm situation I should think.
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:07pm
lastmanstanding

Random Predictions on the CGT.

1. It will be complex and complicated in order to appease the Greens NZF and their supporters.
2. It will be progressive like the income tax regime.
3. Top rate will be 15% as in Oz and US. So half the top income tax rate.

Looking at various assets.

4. Long held single family farms will have rollover relief and some exemptions on final disposal.
5. At the other end foreign and corporate owned farms will be taxed at 15%
6. Lifestyle blocks will be treated according to land use. So the 10 acre bush clad block so loved of the Greens will be exempt. On the other hand a 10 acre polyhouse producing crops will be taxed.
7. Small businesses will have roll over relief and some exemptions on disposal such as already suggested.
8. Shares held in Kiwisaver PIE funds or directly owned will have an exemption as with the current FIF regime. I suspect that $50K will increase to $100k. This will make almost all KSers exempt. But following the old saying “inflation is the taxman (pollies) friend I suspect there wont be any adjustments or only minimal adjustments so a 20/30 yo will find themselves paying CGT on their KS shares at some point in the future.
The KS pot will be so big no pollie will be able to resist taxing it.
9. The family home $5M exemption will remain but the 4500sqm will be increased as per lifestyle blocks above to 10 acres or 4H.

So thats my two pences for what its worth.
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March 23, 2019 9:56am
- Steve Todd
  
  The long-term CGT rates (on the sale of assets held for more than one year) in the US are 0%, 15% and 20%. Long-term capital gains on so-called “collectable assets” are generally taxed at 28%.
  
  Also, from an article in Stuff, by Tom Pullar-Strecker, dated 21 February—
  
  “The Tax Working Group has ditched the idea of placing a $5 million cap on the value of ‘family homes’ that could be excluded from capital gains tax.
  
  “Finance Minister Grant Robertson repeated on Thursday that the ‘family home’ would be safe from any capital gains tax the Government introduced.”
  
  So, at this stage, the “mansion effect” phenomenon will be seen in New Zealand, should a CGT be introduced.
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:26pm
- MickMac
  
  lastman
  13.25
  didn’t downtick you, just the CGT predictions you wrote about.
  It’s an envy tax and gives Govt a % in all our assets.
  
  I would cancel it in a day if I could.
  Income tax is fine, GST to a degree.
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:27pm
burt

There has been a bunch of people murdered by radical Islamists in the last week but I missed the worldwide broadcast of Muslim woman mixing freely with men without scarves on. Anyone know where I can find a link to that show of solidarity?
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March 23, 2019 10:16am
- MickMac
  
  Good luck with that Burt.
  11.53
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:03pm
Maggie Pie

A very good friend of mines husband has suffered from depression for some time.
My partner just suggested to her that she should contact the NZ Rugby Union and request they change the name of the Blues.
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March 23, 2019 10:17am
- emmess
  
  Also, in light of the events in Mozambique and Zimbabwe this week, we must demand a name change of the Hurricanes as well.
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:10am
- Jules99
  
  I can’t decide which is more racist: All Blacks or All Whites?
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:11pm
brett68

This is very disturbing.
https://twitter.com/MattNippert/status/1108960942241406979
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March 23, 2019 10:18am
- Tall Man
  
  “Thought police”.
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:10am
- Tony Stuart
  
  What is Nippert saying? I can’t see his tweets, because he blocked me several years ago.
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:51am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Basically he is asking where the White Supremisists in NZ hang out so he can check them out and report back. He has been inundated with sightings and has a huge squad of researchers/journos looking into everyone who is not on political point with his views.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:01pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      He has been inundated with sightings and has a huge squad of researchers/journos looking into everyone who is not on political point with his views.
      
      That will be most of New Zealand then.
      
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      March 23, 2019 12:33pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Tony, Here you go, straight from the horse’s …..
        
        Matt Nippert: “There’s seeds planted for a permanent hate speech observatory run out of the University of Canterbury. It’s @projectlovenz. The acronym stands for Lowering Online Violence and Extremism, and I expect there’ll be a more formal announcement next week”
        
        “I asked on Saturday where to look for hate and was overwhelmed. I put out a call the same day for help and have been humbled. I think there’s a way forward. Look after yourselves this weekend, NZ. As-salamu alaykum.”
        
        “UPDATE to the update: The events of the past week will reverberate for years, if not decades. A pool of Herald staff and volunteers have been working on immediate and medium-term responses, and now we’ve had a chance to catch our breath I can let you know what’s in the works.”
        
        wg
        
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        March 23, 2019 1:33pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      His exact words: “I wanna be pointed to where NZ neo-nazis are hanging out and talking shit.”
      
      So not even specifically ‘white supremacists’ but anything he and his buddies consider ‘NZ neo-nazis’, which could mean just about anyone they want to harass.
      
      Perhaps he wants an NZ Stasi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
      
      “the Stasi often used a method which was really diabolic. It was called Zersetzung, and it’s described in another guideline. The word is difficult to translate because it means originally “biodegradation”. But actually, it’s a quite accurate description. The goal was to destroy secretly the self-confidence of people, for example by damaging their reputation, by organizing failures in their work, and by destroying their personal relationships. Considering this, East Germany was a very modern dictatorship. The Stasi didn’t try to arrest every dissident. It preferred to paralyze them, and it could do so because it had access to so much personal information and to so many institutions. “
      
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      March 23, 2019 2:26pm
    - Happychappy
      
      One of the things that caught my eye from Matt Nippets call for help on hate and local extremism was a reply from one of his followers Nat Torkington, “that’s good on all fronts,your a Good Man, Charlie Brown”.
      So I hope the Charlie Brown on kiwiblog is not Matt Nippet trying to tie the people on kiwiblog to hate and extremism.
      
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      March 23, 2019 3:30pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Happy, the saying “You’re a Good Man, Charlie Brown” comes from quoting a line from the famous ‘Peanut’ cartoon strip by Charles Shultz.
        
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        March 23, 2019 4:23pm
      - Happychappy
        
        wg : sport and politics is my passion and cartoons have never interested me, so i have learn’t something today.
        
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        March 23, 2019 5:24pm
- MickMac
  
  Brett68
  11.50
  I am surprised it hasn’t happened sooner, watching the Southern Poverty Law people and others in the USA.
  
  We’ll see if they are serious about neo’s or just go after conservative people per se.
  
  Thanks for the link, I enjoyed reading it, clearly I don’t get out enough. 🙂
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:52am
- Happychappy
  
  This will end up with the Narrative Nicky Hager employs all about the right of politics with nothing from the left and will end up being another witchhunt. The media on a whole are going to pin this on the right whether right or wrong.
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:04pm
- MickMac
  
  Brett
  12.06
  
  Maybe your mate Matt Nibbert would do society a real favour and log all the liberal lefty crap like Swifty put up at 09:46. (obviously only the NZ stuff).
  
  Shine the mirror back onto our society’s face?
  Nah, won’t hold my breath.
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:11pm
- Jules99
  
  When they trawl the barrel of white supremacists in NZ and find a couple of drunk blokes shooting ducks down country, most NZers will feel reassured that nothing much has changed in this country.
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This last week may well turn out to be the defining week of Ardern’s political career.
And I will be pleased if that is so.
By acting as a unifying symbol against intolerance/religio-racial hatred, she has achieved much more than just being the first PM to have a baby in office, or being a smiley face on a glossy magazine.
After last week, we cannot ignore the fact that NZ is a pluralistic society. Some folks may wish that we were less diverse or “remained” as a bicultural country.
I never have.
Yesterday showed that folks of many persuasions were happy to stand/sit as one people with our PM and work toward peace and prosperity for all in this country.
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March 23, 2019 10:26am
- cmm
  
  Sorry Maggie, where’s the “unifying symbol” bit?
  
  It has been a very one-sided response.
  
  Her Green partners continue to hurl abuse at white people and exploit the tragedy. They continue to alienate moderate conservatives.
  
  I cannot see how any of this helps.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It is true that political forces on the left will exploit this incident for their own ends, and we have seen that our lefty trolls will play this game here on KB.
    
    But I’m looking beyond the politicos and their sad-sack rhetoric. The bigger picture belongs to the rest of the folks who make up New Zealand.
    Imam Gamal Fouda’s speech is worth reading in full:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/22/broken-hearted-but-not-broken-al-noor-imams-christchurch-speech-in-full
    
    The unifying symbol is that our PM is the PM of all the folk in NZ who consider this country to be their home.
    
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    March 23, 2019 11:02am
    - David Garrett
      
      Maggy: A question for you: Do you believe the good Imam’s speech on this occasion – widely reported – would be similar to those he gives to the faithful when the infidels aren’t listening? I have no idea…I’ve never heard of the man…but I have seen it said that at least one jihadi was radicalized at that very mosque…might not be true…one hopes it is not…
      
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      March 23, 2019 12:44pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Can’t trust those sneaky foreigners, can you David?
        
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        March 23, 2019 12:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Maggy: A question for you: Do you believe the good Imam’s speech on this occasion – widely reported – would be similar to those he gives to the faithful when the infidels aren’t listening?
        
        No idea, David…. and I won’t be attending a Mosque to check up.
        
        We all know that foul deeds are done in the name of religion and political ideologies. So, I’m not so naive to think that some extremist won’t be thinking of pay-back.
        
        But the same rules operate for the right, the left and the Moslem faithful here in NZ.
        
        Incitement to violence is illegal.
        
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        March 23, 2019 2:35pm
      - kris
        
        Radical teachings at Al Noor were reported back in 2014… (Stuff has now conveniently removed the article, although it exists in archives)
        https://web.archive.org/web/20140727140346/http://stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10310496/A-kiwi-lads-death-by-drone
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christchurch-mosque-linked-to-alqaida-suspect-2014060417
        
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        March 23, 2019 2:59pm
- DigNap15
  
  Multi culturalism has not worked well in any country.
  NZ will not be an exception.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:51am
  - waikatogirl
    
    DN15, but you forget the “love” we share for everyone in NZ.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Human history is a story of populations moving and settling across the globe.
    
    It is too late to send us all back to our turangawaewae…. (my lot would overwhelm my ancestral isle of 877ha).
    
    We are all in this together…
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/peoples
    
    Might as well make it as peaceable as possible.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:11pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Yes and human history is also a story of wars never ending wars caused by moving populations and the desire for riches and resources.
      
      We must learn from history and keep them out.
      
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      March 23, 2019 12:19pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      I abhor violence. The great majority of us NZ’ers of all colours, shapes and sizes all agree on peace Maggy. Sadly a visitor to this country took advantage of that.
      
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      March 23, 2019 1:38pm
    - Twinkletoes
      
      If incitement to violence is illegal why are the Qur’an and many other Islamic religious writings allowed to be available in NZ? Gert Winters tried to have it banned in the Netherlands bud did not succeed, he likened it to Mien Kampf and he was not far wrong. And not far right either.
      
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      March 23, 2019 11:37pm
- Tall Man
  
  Sorry Maggie, I don’t agree.
  
  The articles that have been published penned by modern New Zealand muslims have clearly stated that the “virtue signalling” that ardern has engaged in are neither required nor helpful.
  
  “In an unsigned opinion piece on Stuff.co.nz, a Muslim woman called the movement “cheap tokenism”.”
  
  I have a mate locally married to a practicing muslim and she does not wear a headscarf and neither do most of her fellow muslims that she associates with unless they are going to a mosque. They are from Indonesia although following the building of mosques by the saudis in their area a more strident militancy is emerging..her words not mine.
  
  All I want to know is why does the “new” diversity and “kindness” not extend to those who hold a different political view of those in power at present.
  
  Example, james shaw is assaulted and the perpetrator will rightfully be punished.
  
  In a separate incident, a young man assaults an Australian senator and becomes a hero.
  
  Being old male and pale is stiil subject to attack from many of the left. They must really hate their father’s.
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:08am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “religio-racial hatred”
  
  Big mistake blending the issues. Racism is not the same as hating a religious group.
  
  And having concerns about any ideology is neither racism nor hatred of the people in that group.
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Big mistake blending the issues
    
    I think you will discover the issues are constantly being blended, as in “alt-right white supremacism”
    
    Look up any definition of the alt-right and you will find it encompasses a great blend of groupings….religious/racial/ideologies.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
    
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    March 23, 2019 5:32pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Yes, but we must push back: criticising an ideology is not racism.
      
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      March 23, 2019 5:49pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Wrote this a while ago.
  Politics is a spectator sport
  Democracy is a participation sport
  and the only way to win…..V O T E
  To clarify
  Participation means, join a party, pay dues.
  Attend meetings
  Help select the candidates, you agree with.
  Help them get elected
  Fund raise for them
  Promote them in public
  This means council and National govt.
  Back every candidate that you agree with.
  It requires work
  The apathy of your opponent is your strength.
  
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  March 23, 2019 6:53pm
Ross12

British humour at its best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiUFPjulTW8
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March 23, 2019 10:28am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Brilliant. The perfect response to the Elites. The People have spoken.
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:36am
- RW Capitalist
  
  The British people found their spines, photographed and showed the picture to their politicians, so they would know what one looked like, should they come across one in the future.
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:24pm
Yvette

Clarke Gayford @NZClarke
For her 9 month birthday today we received the gift of crawling.
While her mum got her the gift of having a safer country to grow up in.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has received death threats on social media.
– https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-receives-death-threats-on-social-media.html

A few hours ago, Dubai’s Burj Khalifa was lit up with a photo of Ardern at Kilbirnie mosque in Wellington. The Burj Khalifa is 829.8 metres high and is the world’s tallest building, towering over all others in the UAE.

The Muslim community say Jacinda Ardern’s leadership has guided them through this tragedy more than they could have expected. The world also has been watching the Prime Minister. Some are even calling for her to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. – https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/03/call-for-jacinda-ardern-to-be-nominated-for-the-nobel-peace-prize.html

Ardern has confirmed she has received death threats from the anti-1080 movement as threats against Department of Conservation ranger staff also escalate – https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108415921/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-received-death-threats-as-1080-debate-takes-a-violent-turn
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March 23, 2019 10:38am
Maggie Pie

Does anyone else think like I do that Jack Dame makes up texts about how wonderful he is and reads them out on air?
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March 23, 2019 10:40am
Engelbert Humperdink

“The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside.… Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; … the weak will become a prey to the strong.”
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March 23, 2019 10:44am
Maggie Pie

My partner is abbolutely fuming this morning! He just read where Australia has named a destructive cyclone after him 🙁
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March 23, 2019 11:13am
emmess

Brilliant
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March 23, 2019 11:15am
Fletch

Under the Facebook story from one of the media outlets saying there was a “call” for Jacinda to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, some brave woman has written, “For what? Looking sad and wearing a scarf?” Lots of likes…
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March 23, 2019 11:15am
- JibberJabber
  
  Well, Bazza got one just for being elected then he proceeded to bomb several areas of the Planet back to the Stone Age.
  From a Nationalistic point of view, I don`t believe it would hurt the Country if they gave her one, might even help her get the UN job she`s after sooner.
  
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  March 23, 2019 4:40pm
- V
  
  Jesus Christ, I mean Reagan didn’t even get one for ending the Cold War.
  Mind due it has precedent, Obama got one for doing nothing (well actually bombing 7 countries).
  
  Totally self serving nonsense. Probably started by Labour partiy insiders to continue the circle-jerk.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:06pm
Lee C

I certainly didn’t set out to offend with my initial discussion-point really I was attempting to put forward a hypothetical essay question that a political science student might encounter in 2030.
I do apologise to each of those who down-ticked if I inadvertently offended you.
I’m also keen on how positive, electorally playing the muslim ‘call to prayer’ was – a genuine question, again.
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March 23, 2019 11:17am
- JibberJabber
  
  Personally, I didn`t have a problem with the “call to Prayer” and the 2 minutes of silence, didn`t hear or observe it myself cos` I was working and it wasn`t compulsory, I don`t believe it was any different to the ringing of Church bells and a minutes silence after other events that have affected this Nation.
  As a Libertarian Centrist myself I have a healthy cynicism toward any and all Politicians that are using this atrocity to tastelessly forward their political agenda.
  But given I don`t own a Che Tee-shirt I guess that puts me in the alt-right camp according to the media and the Greens spokespersons who are milking this for all it is worth, lest it highlights their sheer incompetence at running the Countries economy.
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:38am
  - MickMac
    
    Jibber Jabber
    12.22
    Thanks for identifying yourself.
    I’m a bit of a dog’s breakfast myself, I think of myself as a caring conservative traditionalist.
    
    I support free education even to professional degrees and trades (as they lead to jobs).
    Even mid-life transitions.
    Though you might have to put off the OE until you’ve paid it off somehow?
    
    Free health (less than 6 months waiting for surgery).
    But limited benefits and definitely none after 2 kids as then other people are paying for your choices.
    
    No corporate welfare. That’s what banks are for.
    Cancel WFF and amend the tax tables on same day to get rid of WFF.
    Probably biased towards those on Benefit and directors of Coys on Corporate welfare not have the vote.
    
    Definitely non-citizens not have the vote or stand for Local or National govt.
    Rewrite as many regs as necessary to benefit Small business (less than 30 employees).
    
    Term limits for politicians (3-4 max).
    No non-citizen have more than 3yrs in supervisory or management in civil service.
    If not apply for citizenship go home.
    
    Get rid of all laws that benefit only one race, all be equal before the law.
    No Maori seats anywhere, if you are a citizen you should be equal.
    
    I’ve voted Labour, ACT, UF and NZFirst (only mistake !).
    But I’ve never voted National, Greens or Maori.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:36pm
    - MickMac
      
      Ohh and HNZ build kit set houses in Hamilton for the 10-20% of Kiwis (citizens only) that need subsidised accom. with regional teams putting them up where they are needed.
      As long as they can be run at cost neutral.
      
      Check with CAB if you don’t believe me about the % needing help.
      and there should be a rental charter/standard for accommodation providers.
      Probably linked to a landlords register and Licence . So bad landlords can be shut down, prosecuted and jailed if need be.(esp if they hide behind companies/agents and trusts).
      It would be sobering for them, if we put 100 of them away for shite accom.
      Then we’ll really see them exit or upgrade chop chop.
      
      Least tax needed.
      and citizen started referendums each election.
      
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      March 23, 2019 12:44pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        To put away 100 shite landlords, you will have to put away about 100,000 shite tenants first.
        
        What crap you write, did you read it before pressing submit or is your post the result of the 10,000 money’s with typewriter working on Shakespeare v2.0?
        
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        March 23, 2019 3:49pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    How many of these virtue signalers that stood silent for 2 minutes
    Did so on April 25th
    November 11th?
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:43pm
  - Twinkletoes
    
    For political Islam it was a coup! How many Christians and Jews must die before they even allow a Bible or a Jew into Saudi Arabia? Unless of course, they are bringing some modern technology or medical innovation to help prolong life and virility of the male of the species.
    
    I believe Osama bin Laden used pornography.
    
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    March 23, 2019 11:55pm
- Tall Man
  
  I think the downticks came as a natural reaction to the thought of more years with ardern the liar and “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
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  March 23, 2019 11:39am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Never apologise for having an opinion.
  The down tickers had to read your opinion first (I hope), if not they don’t count.
  To paraphrase Churchill
  You have enemies…GOOD….it means you did something in your life.
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:27pm
  - David Garrett
    
    RW: sorry to be a pedant – and you do say you are paraphrasing – WSC’s exact quote was “…Good…that means at some point in your life you actually stood for something”…
    
    I remind myself of that one whenever I see a weasel such as Russell Brown attacking me from the safety of his keyboard… I suppose at least he isn’t hiding behind a pseud…
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:46pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I usually look up the actual quote…too lazy this time.
      
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      March 23, 2019 3:02pm
lastmanstanding

I forgot baches. 250K of them according to QV many held long term passed on thru family. So a bright line test with exemption for long term held. These wont generate much tax and only piss off not only the family owners but those who get to use the bach for holidays so not much point losing their votes.
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March 23, 2019 11:24am
RW Capitalist

The Mueller report has been delivered.
With the added recommendation
That there be NO NEW ENDITEMENTS.
All together now…spell…
W I T C H H U N T
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March 23, 2019 11:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Do you mean “no new indictments”?
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:27pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Typos not withstandign.
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:40pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Does that also mean no smocking gun?
    
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    March 23, 2019 12:45pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Or silver bullet?
      
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      March 23, 2019 4:14pm
    - Komata
      
      Mm@1245
      
      If course it does, ‘cos you use NEEDLES for ‘ Smocking’, never guns ‘ they can’t go through the fabric…
      
      (Just saying).
      
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      March 23, 2019 8:47pm
- All_on_Red
  
  But but but Batman, Stephie, Waripori, Cha, Tas, ztev et al having been telling us for years that Trump was obstructing and colluding.
  He’s Putins puppet they tell us.
  Hey, maybe they can all get together and commiserate .
  Have a nice goat curry maybe.
  Anyway
  TOLD YOU SO!
  Btw, interesting that ex FBI Deputy Director McCabe admitted on CNN the other day that he’s under Criminal Investigation. Say, you don’t think that all those like McCabe, Brenner, Clapper, Rice, Lynch, Steele, Strozk and others who colluded to use false information to get FISA warrants so they could spy on Americans could be in trouble huh.
  And what was that Page said that the DOJ under Lynch told the FBI NOT to charge Hillary Clinton when they could clearly see she had broken the law (buttery males indeed)
  You don’t think that when Trump said Witch Hunt that maybe just maybe Hillary is the Witch….
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:52pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    OMG
    Rachel Maddow has tears welling up as she talks about Muellers report
    Bwahahahahahha
    
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    March 23, 2019 4:06pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Terrific news!
  Surely this means that everyone can get on with investigating things that really matter, like Whitewater, Benghazi, Comet Pizza and the murders of Vince Forster and Seth Rich. Oh, and those emails and Obama’s birth certificate while they’re at it.
  
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  March 23, 2019 4:30pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Wow, that’s a lot of Squirrels!
    ???????
    Sad!
    
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    March 23, 2019 4:46pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, I’m with you. Get on with punishing the real criminals – those corrupt swamp creatures who had the temerity to question the Cheeto-in-Chief. Lockerup! Buttery Males!
      
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      March 23, 2019 4:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        If you rush Mikey you might make the Pity Party with the TDS sufferers
        Maybe take dessert
        A nice serving of crow perhaps.
        
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        March 23, 2019 8:15pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Buttery males? Large arses
        
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        March 23, 2019 8:34pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Hurts doesn’t it mikey that he is a doer.
        
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        March 23, 2019 11:08pm
Tauhei Notts

TVNZ gives me a sense of annoyance.
So I watch Aljazeera on several occasions. What has impressed me is the huge admiration that such an Islamic Tv station seems to have for New Zealand. Jacinda’s Feelz strategy seems to have wowed them. This will seem cruel, but I see a huge opportunity for New Zealand exporters in those countries. Add 30% to the price of that Halal slaughtered lamb and get it out there. Pronto!
And Fonterra salesmen, get to work. It is a chance that will not be there for long.
Marketing is unusual; so that the actions of a demented phuckwit can create so many opportunities for our exporters.
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March 23, 2019 11:50am
Inandout

‘I have no beliefs of a religious kind’. Helen Clark

Sometimes quotes don’t age well.
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March 23, 2019 11:54am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Has she gotten bitten by the Jesus bug, or something?
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:40pm
  - Komata
    
    Mm@1240
    
    Unlikely. I understand her Father was a Minister of religion (possibly Methodist) which put her off ‘organised’ religion for life, to the extent she embraced another (equally organised)
    ‘religion’ in the form of Marxism/ Socialism.
    
    Got to fill the ‘Spiritual’ hole somehow…
    
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    March 23, 2019 8:54pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Like a true Marxist….eehh Jacinda.
  
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  March 23, 2019 12:41pm
rightoverlabour

I posted this on the gun buy back but GD could do with a reminder. No money for teachers where there is a crisis but 200mil plus for a gun buy back where there is no crisis. Discuss
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March 23, 2019 12:06pm
- auckwood
  
  Gun debate in wake of mass shooting = More photos of the upcoming peace prize winner.
  
  How would paying the teachers any more result in more press coverage for her?
  
  I would assume the $200mil comes from labours election campaign fund…. Oh thats right, Labour have no humility for missing quota’s, budgets or thresholds.
  
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  March 23, 2019 3:49pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Well, the CoL haven’t started the promised light rail up Dominion Road so I there’s some $$$$$$$$$ that can go towards the semi-automatic gun buyback, oh and Cindy did say the fuel surcharge in Auckland could be called “crowdfunding” so that will help too…
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    March 23, 2019 4:46pm
    - sooty
      
      There’s plenty of money around.
      Twford hasn’t build houses!
      Shane hasn’t planted trees!
      Shane has a slush fund!
      Lees Gallaway is still protecting the drug dealer!
      
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      March 23, 2019 6:34pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      So the guns just get scrapped, or could the Government sell them overseas to other jurisdictions? On the quiet of course.
      
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      March 23, 2019 6:46pm
      - auckwood
        
        Gift them as reparations to the ethnic gangs as a treaty settlement possibly?
        
        After all, they have been oppressed compared to the traditional pakeha biker gangs in respect to their standings in the New Zealand underworld
        
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        March 23, 2019 7:42pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Why every single comment of mine is going into moderation? I haven’t said anything controversial at all 🙁
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March 23, 2019 12:38pm
- DigNap15
  
  I think your user name is controversial!
  I would ban you for life becuase of that!
  
  No I think DF is moderating every comment (mine included)
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:51pm
Southern Raider

Downloading or sharing a copy of the manifesto now also illegal in NZ

Easy way for the left and media to continue broadcasting about this “right wing terrorist” now
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March 23, 2019 12:41pm
- snowy
  
  You mean Eco-Facist!
  
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  March 23, 2019 5:11pm
Alan Wilkinson

Our lunatic Chief Censor has now banned the homicidal maniac’s manifesto.

This is intolerable censorship and Shand should be sacked. I have no wish to read it but those interested in security, history and political affairs must be able to access and read relevant material.

Shand must go. The guy is a zealot half-wit. I can only guess he was appointed because no-one else wanted the job. They should fire him and abolish the job.
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March 23, 2019 1:04pm
- hane
  
  Shand has just criminalised tens of thousands of ordinary New Zealanders.
  
  Sack him
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:25pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    They won`t sack him, he`s just following orders.
    
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    March 23, 2019 8:22pm
- Jules99
  
  I have read bits of it on overseas websites. The most interesting thing about it is how it disproves the mainstream media’s narrative.
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:03pm
  - Inandout
    
    Jules99, which is exactly why they won’t allow anyone to read it. Keep us as mushrooms and we won’t say anything.
    
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    March 23, 2019 3:11pm
  - Shunda barunda
    
    They are singing to the terrorists tune, what better way to conceal that fact than to not allow reasonable people to see it for themselves.
    Of the ideology present in the manifesto, the political party in NZ that is most hostile to the views of the terrorist is actually the national party, some may think that is crazy, but it is the truth. The narrative we are being presented by the media is one that is utterly self serving and devoid of the necessary analysis to ensure NZ comes out of this in good shape. In short, they don’t care about “us” they care about advancing their own agenda and using this tragedy for political leverage.
    
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    March 23, 2019 5:27pm
    - V
      
      In even shorter “fake news”.
      
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      March 23, 2019 10:57pm
- kevn
  
  @Alan W… He is just seizing the chance while NZ is on the compliant back foot.
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:41pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Yes indeed, what is the Government hiding that they need to Censor something that has probably been downloaded numerous times already?
  I got halfway thru it before it bored me shitless and I gave up and only checked it out because the media are too dishonest to report objectively, that is before it was declared censored ( just for the apparatchiks of the Security Organs that are monitoring this site.).
  So welcome to New Soviet Socialist Zealand, COMRADES!
  edit, I hope sarcasm doesn`t get me sent to the Gulag.
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:43pm
- Rich Prick
  
  That seems to me to be a step too far. There is a difference between objectionable and whackadoodle. Surely a few Green MP’s twitter accounts now reach the standard?
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:53pm
- Swifty
  
  It’s the inconsistency that troubles me.
  
  I know of a few religious texts that openly call for all sorts of murder and mayhem to be visited upon unbelievers.
  
  Why hasn’t Shand banned them? Is he working to a set of principles or is this seat of the pants stuff?
  
  I’m not calling for them to be banned, please don’t get me wrong, but of course it was these foundational texts that the esteemed Auckland Imam, Shaykh Dr Mohammed Anwar Sahib, still the head cheese at Manukau’s Al-Taqwa mosque directly quoted from when saying ‘that the Jews are the enemy of the Muslims’ and ‘that their protocol is to rule the entire world’.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86708921/antisemitic-speeches-concerning-and-appalling
  
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  March 23, 2019 3:26pm
  - Harriet
    
    It’s the inconsistency that troubles me.
    
    appeasement. You can have your txt, and we will no longer say this either.
    
    Every other culture accepts it’s more than a two way street to fit into a multi-cultural society, and at the end of the day they have to accept that to.
    
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    March 23, 2019 6:15pm
  - Twinkletoes
    
    Mohamed plagiarised much from the Tora/Talmud and the Bible and regurgitated it incorrectly. He (the prophet) only said this so that it did not seem to others that Muslims were the aggressors so when he ethnically cleansed the Jews in Arabia he was doing the Arabs a favour by eradicating the five wealthy Jewish tribest of Medina. By the time he died Arabia was Juden Frie. Long story short.
    
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    March 24, 2019 12:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  But if I am overseas then I can read it and comment on it all I like? Seems rather impossible to police then.
  
  Rules created for the pre-internet world just don’t work. Chief censor is an obsolete role.
  
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  March 23, 2019 5:11pm
  - Tall Man
    
    If I identify as being overseas..is that ok?
    
    I mean isn’t it an offense now to dispute what I identify as?
    
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    March 23, 2019 10:58pm
- simpleton1
  
  Just what can I say?
  
  ….. Chief Censor David Shanks said others have referred to the publication as a “manifesto”, but he considers it a “crude booklet” which promotes murder and terrorism.
  
  Mr Shanks said this publication crosses the line to make it objectionable under New Zealand law.
  
  “There is an important distinction to be made between ‘hate speech’, which may be rejected by many right-thinking people but which is legal to express, and this type of publication, …..
  
  …. Those who have the publication for legitimate purposes, such as reporters, researchers and academics to analyse and educate can apply for an exception.
  
  Anyone who sees the material online is being asked to report it immediately.
  
  According to the Department of Internal Affairs, “knowingly” possessing or sharing objectionable material carries up to a 14 year jail term.
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/385399/christchurch-mosque-shootings-manifesto-deemed-objectionable
  
  Only approved ways of thinking and talking to be allowed.
  
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  March 23, 2019 5:17pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Anyone who sees the material online is being asked to report it immediately.
    
    Stasi 101.
    The rapidity of these draconian and punitive measures gives one pause for thought, only a step away from having the next election suspended cos` …thought crimes…
    It`s a LabourGreen wet dream.
    And being New Zealand close to half the population need and want to be told what to think and say, it won`t even take a Revolution to overturn what`s left of our democracy.
    
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    March 23, 2019 7:45pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Park in the Cloud overseas and don’t keep a local copy.
  
  We shouldn’t be having to jump through these hoops though.
  
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  March 23, 2019 6:06pm
MickMac

13:18
So anyone with a copy is now a criminal?
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March 23, 2019 1:20pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Just keep a heavy duty magnet close at hand to wipe the Hard Drive for when the NKVD turn up to confiscate your `puter
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:49pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Park it in the Cloud overseas and don’t keep a local copy.
    
    We shouldn’t be having to jump through these hoops though.
    
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    March 23, 2019 6:07pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Anyone who’s ever had a copy is now a criminal. This bad law applies retrospectively to classification.
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:50pm
  - Inandout
    
    I can imagine Americans buckling under so passively. We are indeed a pavlova paradise.
    
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    March 23, 2019 3:24pm
Lee C

“Never apologise for having an opinion.”

That’s the bizarre thing, RW, I wasn’t stating an opinion – I was asking others for theirs, under a post called ‘General Discussion’ and it appeared to inflame quite a few…
Maybe I need to ‘recalibrate’, or something.
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March 23, 2019 1:26pm
- stigie
  
  “Maybe I need to ‘recalibrate’, or something.”
  
  That’s what i just might do and see what happens !~
  
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  March 23, 2019 1:30pm
  - stigie
    
    Golly Gosh !!
    
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    March 23, 2019 2:21pm
tavita

We have had a week of this. Time for reflection. My pick for quote of the week goes to our prime minister whose response to the Turkish pm saying any anzs going to Turkey and criticising moslems would be sent home in a coffin. She said ” Winston will go”.
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March 23, 2019 1:46pm
Fletch

Surprise! You know that immigration pact that NZ signed up to, when most sane countries wouldn’t. The UN now says it is legally binding after all….

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/21/austria-eu-report-un-migration-pact/
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March 23, 2019 1:47pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes and now our immigartion intakes have been changed to allow more family reunions (third world bludgers) and less skilled immigrants.
  Productividy Not!
  
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  March 23, 2019 2:49pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Family reunification for Skilled migrants remains firmly closed.
    
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    March 23, 2019 6:40pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Look, I’ve told you before, NZ needs voters…labour voters and don’t you forget it.
      
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      March 23, 2019 10:56pm
- Twinkletoes
  
  Time to give that Islamic controlled entity the hoof.
  
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  March 24, 2019 12:40am
Happychappy

Without trying to upset DPF I would like to know are my posts deemed borderline and need to go to him to be passed as my posts today especially the last two are over two hours and are still not out of moderation.
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March 23, 2019 2:25pm
Fletch

Robert Spencer, on the effect the attacks have had on speech in NZ –

New Zealanders — men as well as women — are also being asked to wear the hijab this Friday. The shock and horror that Jacinda Ardern and other New Zealanders are feeling over the attack is understandable. The good intentions of these initiatives are obvious. Unfortunately, however, it will henceforth be difficult, if not completely impossible, to discuss the jihad threat in New Zealand; anyone who does so will be accused of fueling the hatred that led to the Christchurch massacre. So it can reasonably be expected that in the coming years, New Zealand will be a hospitable place for jihadis and Sharia supremacists, and any resistance to their initiatives will be stigmatized into insignificance.
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March 23, 2019 2:40pm
Maggie Pie

Goodness – i just got home from my saturday shift at A&E and saw 2 comments i made this morning still ‘awaiting moderation’. I hope its not something i said?
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March 23, 2019 3:16pm
- DigNap15
  
  Ah, so now we know where you work!
  
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  March 23, 2019 3:29pm
  - sooty
    
    The woke, will be coming for you!
    
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    March 23, 2019 6:24pm
- PhilP
  
  Me too Maggie so frustrating!
  
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  March 23, 2019 6:10pm
- kowtow
  
  Ha , now you know how the low priority triage patients feel !
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:05pm
- Tall Man
  
  Probably something you thought.
  
  It is really hard to maintain a conversation with 4 hour pauses.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:53pm
Southern Raider

This moderation thing is a joke.

How can you enter into a discussion when it takes ove 1.5 hours to get a comment through moderation?

For the record this comment was written at 3.41pm

I’ve over and out.
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March 23, 2019 3:41pm
- brett68
  
  Yep posting on this blog is pretty much pointless now.
  
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  March 23, 2019 5:01pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Aah the censorship is working then
    
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    March 23, 2019 6:04pm
- greybeard
  
  DPF. If someone has got at you re the tenor of comments on your blog, please tell us !
  
  You might be surprised how influential are some of your commentators.
  
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  March 23, 2019 7:08pm
  - brett68
    
    Yeah I get the vibe he’s been threatened or his business has been threatened.
    
    For such an advocate of free speech to do such a 180 deg u turn obviously something personal has happened.
    
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    March 23, 2019 7:26pm
- barnacle bill
  
  A lot of people will be very happy about that.
  
  But my guess is, you will be back as it is so much part of your dreary life.
  
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  March 23, 2019 7:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I see you’re still here as well.
    
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    March 23, 2019 10:51pm
Maggie Pie

delete funtion not working here ….see DPFs latest post for comment which i put in wrong place.
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March 23, 2019 4:00pm
Komata

SR (If you are still around)

FWIW, your 1541 comment was out of moderation at 1600.
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March 23, 2019 4:00pm
MrTips

The country has gone insane. Our media are self congratulatory hacks, each trying to outdo one another in stupid articles.

I had an old blog which I’ve resurrected to put my thoughts on, archive links and note how fast the lunacy is going. Others might like to do the same – it’s actually beneficial.
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March 23, 2019 4:34pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Looking back at your old blog posts, do you think your lunacy has actually advanced all that rapidly?
  
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  March 23, 2019 5:06pm
  - MrTips
    
    LOL. Good one. But I’ve got a lot of work to do to catch up to your 6 strikes on here mike or ztevs 9.
    
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    March 23, 2019 5:15pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hey, if lunacy got strikes, there would be no commenters left.
      
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      March 23, 2019 5:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You are still here Mike!
        
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        March 23, 2019 5:28pm
      - bill hicks
        
        mikenmildagain… Today for the first time your “Lunacy” Just Taking a sip..Slup….. Hick Up… U have me in total agreement… For today…NeverWorld Dancing toys…
        
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        March 23, 2019 6:26pm
Shunda barunda

Anyone know how to get off the moderation? i don’t think I did it right. (unless DPF doesn’t want me here which of course is fine)
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March 23, 2019 5:12pm
- Shunda barunda
  
  Test
  
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  March 23, 2019 5:16pm
  - bill hicks
    
    SHUNDRA I ACCIDENTALLY DOWN TICKED U YOUR TEST HAS COME THROUGH AND AS FAR AS WE ARE ALL CONCERNED THANKFULLY IT HAS COME BACK POSITVE…
    
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    March 23, 2019 6:10pm
    - Shunda barunda
      
      The test was in moderation dude, so no change.
      
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      March 24, 2019 2:32am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Geez, Seattle Council must have looked at how Auckland Supercity Council works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMrBFNoHBkg
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March 23, 2019 5:27pm
bill hicks

KOKILA AND DAVID IT IS SO SAD THAT YOUR BLOG HAS FALLEN INTO THE TRAP THAT HAS BEEN SET BY COMMUNISTS AND THE SELF CALLED WOKE COMMUNITY. TAKE A STEP BACK TO MID MARCH AND LAY OFF THE KOOL AID
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March 23, 2019 5:39pm
- DigNap15
  
  yes harden up!
  
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  March 23, 2019 6:43pm
V

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/22/erdogan-praises-new-zealand-pm-row-mosque-attack-remarks#img-1

One of these men is an egotistical wanna-be dictator who fancies himself as a modern era sultan, the other is Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.
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March 23, 2019 5:55pm
WaveyDavey

Quite glad that I have 2 other passports to choose from (hopefully soon to be 3)
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March 23, 2019 6:03pm
- bill hicks
  
  3rd PASSPORT HAS TO BE THE 50th STATE OF THE US….
  
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  March 23, 2019 6:16pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    BILL! stop shouting..please.
    
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    March 23, 2019 6:27pm
    - bill hicks
      
      In typography, all caps (short for “all capitals”) refers to text or a font in which all letters are capital letters, for example: Text in All Caps. … Short strings of words in capital letters appear bolder and “louder” than mixed case, and this is sometimes referred to as “screaming” or “shouting” WHEN I USE A PEN I ALWAYS WRITE NEVER SHOUT ONLY IF IT ONE OF MY FRIENDS ….OR I HAVE LOST A BET…
      
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      March 23, 2019 6:50pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        Quite right, it doesn`t make you look like a FUCKING LOONEY at all, no siree, not at all.
        
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        March 23, 2019 7:33pm
V

If this shooting has perhaps awakened NZ from it’s complacency, then perhaps you should watch this excerpt from a recent interview with Niall Ferguson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhI042aGYI4

The military has been an area where we have been totally complacent, look at our 50+ yr old clapped out C130’s for starters.
And worse, our body politik continues to take digs at our US ally under Trump, in particular middle-America, who are traditionally the ones who do the fighting and dying.
Guess what any conflagration in our region, – they won’t be coming.
Why would they after this virtue signalling exercise where we advertise to all and sundry how disarmed we are?
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March 23, 2019 6:11pm
Prince

Ardern says Peters will take up the issue of XXXX’s video being shown by Erdogan.
Peters says the video will not be shown any more.
Erdogan shows the video again within 2 hours.

Peters lying again. What a clown.
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March 23, 2019 6:18pm
JibberJabber

Heh, so NZs most (to use a lefty term) Islamophobic and anti-immigration Deputy Prime Minister bottled it when he came face to face with Erdogan.
Hardly a surprise, guess he won`t be going up Pike River either, given they can`t find a Hardhat to fit his head.
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March 23, 2019 6:19pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  But is happy with JA’s response to DJT’s WORDS about illegal immigrants and drugs coming across their southern boarder.
  
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  March 23, 2019 6:30pm
bill hicks

Pike River has been put off for months and The most startling Is that the Police will nOt Be entering the mine as THAT There Is A Safety Risk… God/alah/Three Blind Mice that It does not explode jeopardizing Saint Cindy’s Nobel Prize… The WORLDS FUCKED….
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March 23, 2019 6:39pm
greybeard

6:41pm Saturday.
On Stuff homepage, 7 photos of our “PM” wearing a hijab.
What the hell is going on here ?
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March 23, 2019 6:43pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Unbelievable ignorance by the MSM and whoever told JA to wear the thing. To many women it’s nothing but a symbol of oppression. Showing respect and compassion did not require it at all.
  
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  March 23, 2019 7:32pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes walking around like a letter box is so fashionable.
    Going to the beach in one is so stupid!
    
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    March 23, 2019 7:52pm
- Scooter
  
  Actually all this coverage and focus on JA is an insult to the victims and their families. She should have a quiet word with the media and shut it down. Let the families grieve in peace. But no it’s all about her.
  
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  March 24, 2019 1:00am
Andrei

Does this blog work anymore as a forum to discuss the issues of the day?

Not really
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March 23, 2019 7:14pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  No, too slow now. I’m finding WO better now. I’d given up on WO when the moderators were OTT, but now it’s working better than KB.
  
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  March 23, 2019 7:29pm
- MickMac
  
  Andrei
  01:51
  But DPF understands that right now.
  In 30 days it will be different for him and if it isn’t then we all have a choice to make.
  
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  March 24, 2019 2:11am
Brian McDonald

I haven’t read every post today so not sure if this has been mentioned before. I know it goes with the territory but I feel that Winston Peters has shown a lot of guts to go to Turkey right now and just post the comments by Erdogan. I think in Peter’s family there were members of the NZ Pioneers, the fore runner of the Maori Battalion. The Pioneers were not at first permitted to fight at Gallipoli because they were ‘natives’ and it was only after heavy casualties they took to the battle field there. When the Pioneers later went to Europe they were again prevented from fighting. In WW2 as the Maori Battalion they were NZ’s most highly decorated battalion.
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March 23, 2019 7:29pm
- kowtow
  
  Guts ? As a foreign dignatry , the Turks are obliged to protect Peters , a protection that ordinary citizens are not routinely given.
  One rule for the rulers and another for the Plebs : how’s that equality thingey goin’ ?
  
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  March 23, 2019 7:52pm
  - sooty
    
    What protects Whinney?
    Guns!
    Thats what protect him!
    Not semi automatic ones, but full on automatic ones!
    
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    March 23, 2019 8:51pm
  - Scooter
    
    Like they protected Jamal Khashoggi at the Saudi Embassy in Istanbul
    
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    March 24, 2019 12:23am
- Kevin Herlihy
  
  Politically you couldn’t ask for a more difficult job to undertake than the one which Winston has just completed.
  Attending a specially convened Organisation of Islamic Cooperation meeting, an organisation representing 57 Islamic nations and over a billion people, takes a lot of guts, especially when your own nation has been party to an atrocity which targeted the Islamic community.
  The diplomatic pressure would have been immense, it cannot be understated that New Zealand was very much in the spotlight and had to account for the unforgivable event that unfolded on its shores.
  Make no mistake, this event has reverberated around the world, and to the credit of the Jacinda Ardern lead government, New Zealand has taken swift and immediate action which has to applauded.
  For a small nation such as ours, faced with a humanitarian crisis of such magnitude, we have excelled in our response. Throughout the world, in particular, the Islamic Nations, New Zealand has shown unparalleled leadership, which has been recognised with gestures of appreciation.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:47pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    Absolutely correct Kevin.
    But you will never win on this site.
    
    They are certainly a boorish lot of oaths alright.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:13pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Well said, sir.
    
    Fletch, Rich Prick, stigie, sooty, et al. – take note.
    
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    March 23, 2019 10:02pm
- Tall Man
  
  They did quite well throwing prisoners off the battlements at Monte Casino.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:43pm
Fletch

The latest, a giant image of Jacinda has been projected onto the Burj Khalifa in the UAE, the tallest building in the world. This is getting beyond a joke.
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March 23, 2019 7:31pm
- DigNap15
  
  Maybe she will wave her hands and the whole world will convert to islam.
  
  Everything time I go to the supermarket and want a free plastic bag or want to buy some nice coloured plastic straws I think of her and dislike her.
  
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  March 23, 2019 7:51pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Perhaps we should tell the UAE she’s an apostate Morman and see what they make of that.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:15pm
  - mark15
    
    I got a free plastic bag today…from Gun City.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:41pm
- stigie
  
  I have already emptied the sick bucket today !~
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:30pm
- Rich Prick
  
  This has become sickening. What next for our Princess, an escalator to Paradise? Excuse me while I throw up.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:33pm
- Steve Todd
  
  I don’t understand. What is “This”?
  
  And why is the UAE showing appreciation for her handling of the situation evidence that *This* “is getting beyond a joke”?
  
  Explain yourself.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:36pm
  - brett68
    
    She’s the UN poster child.
    
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    March 23, 2019 8:43pm
  - sooty
    
    Why should he have to justify his opinion to you?
    What makes you think you opinion is all truth and smiles!
    If you don’t like that opinion, I have some more!
    
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    March 23, 2019 8:47pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      I wasn’t asking him to justify his opinion, I was asking him to explain it.
      
      If Winston had selected “Sir William” to continue as PM, and he (“Sir William”) had received widespread appreciation from the Muslim world for his handling of the aftermath of these atrocities, do you think Fletch would have put up his 7:31PM comment?
      
      Thought not.
      
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      March 23, 2019 9:42pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      helen can parachute back in at the next election and Michael.
      
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      March 23, 2019 9:42pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Why bother, they’re already yanking ardern the liar’s chain.
        
        [DPF: You may have noticed a lot of your comments not appearing. Calling her Ardern the liar will mean a comment won’t get through, as will other stupid names like Jimmy two mums. If you think the PM has lied on a particular issue you can comment on that, but childish name calling can be done elsewhere]
        
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        March 24, 2019 10:02am
  - Rich Prick
    
    We are headed into a weird leftist rabbit hole.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:08pm
nasska

…..”a giant image of Jacinda has been projected onto the Burj Khalifa in the UAE, the tallest building in the world”……

If that doesn’t send them screaming to the local mosque nothing will!
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March 23, 2019 7:49pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Would NZ elect a Muslim as PM?
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:15pm
Rachael Membery

God forbid that we should experience another attack, from either side, but will we respond the same? Precedent has been set.
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March 23, 2019 8:24pm
barnacle bill

Hey Fletch, how are you going to handle Jacinda getting the Nobel Peace prize ?

You will need to watch the old ticker then.
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March 23, 2019 8:33pm
- Rich Prick
  
  What, for best vinegar on chips? Mind you Barry got one so it’s only fair our Cindy gets one too. Never leave a leftie un-gonged. They hate that.
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:48pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    If you went to Uni, please tell what revenue raiser you took on ?
    
    All the Uni kids I knew did whatever they could find, work wise.
    They usually were very good at whatever they took on.
    
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    March 23, 2019 9:02pm
    - Tall Man
      
      She was 14 when she worked in the chippie.
      
      She may be the primary object of all your fantasies but she’s certainly not smart enough to attend varsity at 14 unlike this guy.
      
      https://www.insideedition.com/headlines/23409-14-year-old-graduates-college-with-a-degree-in-physics-i-was-very-comfortable
      
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      March 24, 2019 10:01am
      - barnacle bill
        
        Is it natural for you to be an arse hole, or is it that you are just a jealous old git.
        
        To me, any young person that goes and earns a buck is showing enterprise and wants to achieve in life.
        But not you, you cant see past the end of your nose.
        
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        March 24, 2019 1:20pm
stigie

Serious question, why weren’t the men not wearing the taqiyah (muslim cap) along with the women wearing the head scarf..?
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March 23, 2019 8:35pm
- nasska
  
  Because, with the exception of a few pitiful metrosexuals seeking a charity fuck, men don’t believe in nauseous, emotive, virtue signalling crap!
  
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  March 23, 2019 8:47pm
Waymad

DF, if the MSM can be believed, our Foreign Minister was seen on TV not only to be Asleep at the Switch during some Turkey of a meeting, but then proceeded to flub the ‘wot abaht That Video, then, eh?’ follow-up. And after the absolute hash he made of direct media questions on the issue soon thereafter, he’s lost the Veterans’ and Services votes IMHO, if not (or as well as) his Cabinet post. The PM will be fuming…..she’s at the end of the chain held by what now seems to be a well-past-use-by-dated old duffer….
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March 23, 2019 8:53pm
Scooter

Besides banning certain types of weapons, will the Govt review the vetting process (specifically how he was granted a licence). Some red flags in this case, an non NZ citizen, male in his 20’s, recently came to NZ, wasn’t working and frequently travelled to highly suspect countries.
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March 23, 2019 9:10pm
Lee C

“If the woke left are looking for anyone to blame in this tragedy they need not look across at National but look no further than who they got into bed with. And themselves. Those amazing anti-Muslim pull quotes of Winston Raymond Peters.

They should suffer the consequences now of that lack of judgment. But instead they’re blaming the “right” and the alleged agents of the right in NZ media. The left wish to use this incident to deplatform anyone not agreeing with them. Regardless of the issues.”

https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-nz-political-left-and-uranium-on.html
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March 23, 2019 9:21pm
- B Phillips
  
  It all happened because National disagreed with the UN migration plan silly! There is no other explanation needed ?‍♂️
  
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  March 23, 2019 9:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  An interesting read.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:37pm
Scooter

Ps and living alone
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March 23, 2019 9:25pm
Rich Prick

I’ve been thinking about the actual event. An incredibly awful and sad event. But now I’m angry about it, not because of the victims, but because of the media and the Greens in particular.

Look at that Green Golriz (can’t be fucked typing her surname) twitter account. If the nutter Australian’s “manifesto” is objectionable, perhaps the chief censor ought to take a look at that particular MP’s twitter account. Bet he won’t though.

This last week has been awful for me, you see I was disgusted by what that Australian did, but everyone, the Greens and the MSM, scrambled to make it my fault. How do you process the event when you are causatively lumped in as being at fault.

Half the country seems hate me because I’m white (they’ve even invented a pyramid of white supremacy which I can’t escape because I’m stuck somewhere on it, and apparently I’m only seven steps away from mass murder) male and I don’t vote left.

I guess the left really are after us.
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March 23, 2019 9:51pm
- Rich Prick
  
  OK, I’m not sure what caused that to get lumped into moderation. The left is winning.
  
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  March 23, 2019 10:10pm
MrTips

Oh God. The insanity is florid. This is seriously too much.
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March 23, 2019 10:08pm
auckwood

Can someone please explain to me what it is, that Jacinda has done so well, or handled, in such troubling times? How is this her ‘finest moment’?She has put on a sad face and a silly hat and that concerned face and read some words for maximum pats on the back. Police handled this event well, medical specialists handled this event well, they should be the ones with their faces projected on buildings and in countless articles in the media….

Im struggling to see how imposing these new censorship, knee-jerk gun laws, virtue signalling sad/concerned face woman performing public service announcements is worthy of calls to be nominated for a nobel peace prize or being projected onto a building like some saint…
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March 23, 2019 11:17pm
Monique Watson

Words fucking, mother-fucking fail me.

And now to the serious issues of the day:

Like Jacinda Ardern, A vegan idiot gets 15 minutes of fame;

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/03/vegan-blogger-apologises-for-eating-meat-in-video.html
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March 23, 2019 11:17pm
MickMac

Lee C
01.40
What do you expect?
Honestly.
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March 24, 2019 1:42am
theoldbloke

What a political stunt!!!
Banning the Manifesto because of hate speech.

I think this is a political stunt. Which, with lots of Kiwis being emotionally manipulated will be applauded by many who
a) haven’t read the thing
b) are unable to process critical thinking
c) are Sheeple following their leader right or wrong.

I have read the manifesto, its tame compared to much of other hate stuff being redistributed by main street media in NZ.

I agree the event was tragic and shouldn’t have happened.

But harden up Kiwis, dont let this Gummint start taking your rights away. Please pleas please someone ask for a judicial review of this political decision supposedly by the chief Censor. Kiwis are not children!!!
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March 24, 2019 2:27am
Monique Watson

Well. I think Jacinda Ardern is getting a lifetime of fame from this, Bless her heart and intentions. But the media is driving the Middle Class nuts with this sort of drivel.
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