General Debate 19 March 2019

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auckwood

No sign of the Labour youth camp sex assault case in any kind of media……..
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March 19, 2019 8:02am
- freethinker
  
  Yes I was wondering if the Media where in the north shore district court yesterday and if they will report on any cases involving SEX. Whilst I wood expect the media normally to have an interest maybe they wood prefer to not report special cases.
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:17am
  - namron
    
    The lack of any reports on this particular Court case
    in any News media is certainly confirming what many here on kiwiblog have always suspected.
    Also, I’d be betting that the Govt would be grateful that other major News stories would deflect any interest in the Court case.
    I wood like to read, hear and see daily reports as we get about other cases.
    
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    March 19, 2019 11:53am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      South island is a bit busy at the moment, perhaps postponed?
      
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      March 19, 2019 6:43pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Tried to look up the court schedule, but it’s difficult as you have to name the charge exactly to search and the latest case result recorded is from 17/3/19.
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:21pm
  - namron
    
    17/3/19 is last Sunday!
    I am very suspicious that “skulduggery” is going on.
    
    [Also, I will be interested to see if this comment is going to take 5 hours to be moderated like the last one.]
    What is happening to kiwiblog?
    
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    March 19, 2019 5:18pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      A terror attack? An attack on free speech, preemptive moderation to ensure the longevity of Kiwiblog, DPF having a life? long may Kiwiblog continue.
      
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      March 19, 2019 6:46pm
holysheet

For warm autumn days, the Met Office won’t be calling it an Indian Summer anymore.
Under new guidelines to avoid upsetting anyone it’ll be called an Immigrant Summer
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March 19, 2019 8:03am
- sooty
  
  Or you could just call it summer.
  You know the time of year it’s warmmer.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:36am
  - scrubone
    
    Indian summer – Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_summer
    An Indian summer is a period of unseasonably warm, dry weather that sometimes occurs in autumn in the Northern Hemisphere.
    
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    March 19, 2019 11:50am
Lee C

“It seems that NZ First is considered respectable now. So what changed? Not NZ First. Shall we review?

In 2003, New Zealand First put out a flyer called “Whose Country Is it Anyway?” claiming that third-world immigrants were at the root of many of our problems. Don Brash called it “racist and despicable.” It was bad enough that it sparked alarm from postal workers charged with delivering it – and one actually refused to deliver it.” (Liam Hehir, 2017).
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March 19, 2019 8:05am
- David Garrett
  
  test
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:54am
Paulus

According to my notes was not the case against the Labour Youth man due in Court yesterday.
Has it been delayed, as I would expect ?
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March 19, 2019 8:06am
Happychappy

It makes me laugh to see all these Journalists stoking the fire on hate speech and White Supremacists and you only have to look back to the hate columns that they have produced on Simon Bridges with unproven accusations daily without let up.
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March 19, 2019 8:07am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Fake news extremism at its very worst re “white supremacists and terror” the evidence shows how the left is going full retard pushing their hate speech narrative.
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_March_2019
  
  109 terror attacks in March to date. Max 2 terror attacks relate to white suprema y. 90+ of the attacks from Muslim supremacists. Its pretty clear that white supremacy is a teeny tiny issue cf other sorts of extremism.
  
  The problem is, only 2% fit the narrative.
  
  Now is a time for truth and reconciliation, not dishonesty and hate speech from the media/political left.
  
  I had hoped for a higher road to have been taken.
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:20am
  - scrubone
    
    Yes, and this mosque has been connected to Islamic terror in the past. Demanding that any surveillance be ceased (as some journalists seem to be doing) is astonishing.
    
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    March 19, 2019 11:53am
    - DigNap15
      
      And a guy came running out of the mosque with a gun!
      We need to search all churches for weapons and bombs as well as mosques.
      
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      March 19, 2019 7:40pm
tas

Jacinda Ardern announcing that gun laws will change seems counterproductive. I bet gun shops will be doing brisk business between now and when those changes take effect. Did the government think this through?
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March 19, 2019 8:07am
- Inandout
  
  Jacinda is going back to Christchurch tomorrow.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:34am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not hard to announce that all semi-automatics will be confiscated after the legislation takes effect.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:39am
  - Evadne
    
    Not hard to announce.
    
    Impossible to enforce. I can’t think of anything more likely to drive guns underground.
    
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    March 19, 2019 8:56am
  - Simon
    
    Yesterday, with the assistance of Sgt. Cecil Kirk and other members of the D.C. Police Department, the staff conducted a second test of the time necessary to fire two consecutive rounds from a 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano rifle similar to that found on the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository on November 22, 1963.
    
    It is apparently difficult, but not impossible — at least with only minimal practice with the firearm used — to fire 3 shots, at least two of which score “kills”, with an elapsed time of 1.7 seconds or less between any two shots, even though in the limited testing conducted, no shooter achieved this degree of proficiency.
    
    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/jfk8/mc.htm
    
    Banning semi autos aint gonna cut it. Time to buy a hand gun for personal protection?
    
    No way want to die to a tard like Tarrent.
    
    Murdering tards will just up skill on a magazine feed blot action.
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      Which is what I have been saying from the start.
      
      This is not about “military style semi autos”….
      
      It’s about a nutjob with a weapon or 5 in a restricted area with few exits.
      
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      March 19, 2019 9:19am
      - auckwood
        
        Nailed it 100%
        
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        March 19, 2019 10:36am
      - GoVege
        
        How many weapons can one individual shoot at a time do you reckon TM?
        
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        March 19, 2019 12:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        When my kids were at school they had “lower” spec subjects for kids who weren’t intellectually motivated.
        
        They called them “vege subjects”. I often wondered why and then you, “govege”, came along and now I know…they meant for the dummies….
        
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        March 19, 2019 6:51pm
    - SGA
      
      Yeah, which is why police forces, military, and terrorists favour bolt action rifles over semi-automatics (or automatics).
      
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      March 19, 2019 10:01am
      - Brian Marshall
        
        Sniper rifles are nearly always bolt action. They’re more accurate.
        
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        March 19, 2019 10:28am
      - SGA
        
        So why aren’t sniper rifles the standard issue?
        
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        March 19, 2019 10:49am
      - Tall Man
        
        Idiot.
        
        Terrorists use what they can obtain.
        
        Fertilizer bombs, car bombs, knifes, buses, cars, trucks.
        
        So do unbalanced psychopathic pricks like tarrant.
        
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        March 19, 2019 10:58am
      - SGA
        
        Ok, so because they can use knives to kill people, then it makes sense not to make it too difficult for them get access to military-style weaponry designed specifically to kill people quickly and efficiently. By that logic, since they could make fertilizer bombs, it makes no sense to have too many restrictions on obtaining C4.
        
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        March 19, 2019 12:59pm
    - scrubone
      
      Yes, my impression from using bolt action rifles is that the difference between those and semi-autos is much smaller than some people seem to think.
      
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      March 19, 2019 11:55am
    - cmm
      
      Sorry I don’t buy it.
      
      Yes, you can fire a few rounds quickly from a bolt rifle, but it is not going to be easy to sustain over more than a few rounds.
      
      The mosque murderer fired 205 rounds in less than 5 minutes, not all of that was shooting time. So that was basically a round a second, including time to swap magazines etc.
      
      For that you need three things:
      1) semi auto
      2) large capacity removable box magazines.
      3) a reasonably tame round.
      
      A fixed magazine (like most hunting rifles have) prevents a high sustained rate of fire, as does a manual loading mechanism (bolt etc).
      
      .223/5.56 is a very tame round. You can carry and shoot hundreds of those easily, even with a small body and little training. I defy most people to try carry and shoot 200 rounds of 12 gauge or 308 in a 5 minute period. Possible, but you better be ready for the punishment.
      
      Apart from the functional aspects of large magazines, the other things that make ARs popular for mass shooters is that they have the right “look”. When the nut-job builds up a rambo image of himself in his twisted mind, he needs to see an AR-like gun.
      
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      March 19, 2019 1:24pm
      - Bevan
        
        Very few Bolt Action rifles have fixed magazines these days, in fact you can legally buy a 308 Bolt Action rifle with a detachable 20 round magazine, scope and silencer all on an A Cat license…. Now tell me who on earth needs 20 308 rounds loaded at the same time?
        
        The mechanism (semi auto) can be made irrelevant simply by restricting the number of magazines a person is allowed to own for their rifle to 2 magazines and making them register both firearm and all magazines – limited to 7 rounds each for a total of 14 before they would have to reload them. I’d rather that be allowed, than 20 308 rounds of silenced death in the hands of the wrong person.
        
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        March 19, 2019 7:32pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And how would they do that?
    
    Home raids by armed police on all registered owners of a firearm?
    
    I know quite a few that still have a license but no firearms. Would they be believed when they stated they have no rifles or would the police have to assume they are being concealed?
    
    It is just not possible to enforce. A semi does not use different ammo so seriously, how would anyone know who has what.
    
    I have a number of firearms but no semis, my neighbour has one and it is a semi.
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:22am
  - OTGO
    
    The government has no idea how many semi-autos are out there because the gun owner is licensed NOT his/her firearms.
    
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    March 19, 2019 11:53am
- Evadne
  
  She’s now saying people should give up their guns voluntarily in advance of the ‘law change’.
  
  I really don’t think they thought this through.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:46am
  - MrsAnnie
    
    Why give up your unregistered guns for nothing that no one knows you have when the local drug dealer will give you a couple of thousand for them???? That is why Australia had a very generous buyback system. MrAnnie is livid.
    
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    March 19, 2019 12:50pm
- SGA
  
  Jacinda Ardern announcing that gun laws will change seems counterproductive.
  
  You would rather they did it all in secret and then announced it at the instant it took effect? Would you really prefer governement working that way? Unless one did that, I can’t see how one could avoid your problem.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:46am
  - Pascal
    
    What happened to consultation with stakeholders, waiting for the result of an inquiry and so forth?
    
    You make far reaching decisions off facts, not off emotions.
    
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    March 19, 2019 12:01pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      3 words
      oil and gas
      
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      March 19, 2019 4:23pm
    - DigNap15
      
      And surely it would be kind to let people keep their guns to protects them selves.
      Where is the working group?
      Or the referendum?
      
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      March 19, 2019 7:42pm
- peterwn
  
  If I was in Jacinda’s shoes I would try to ram through a quick and dirty legislative amendment today – all stages under urgency. To make it more palatable I would have put a six month ‘sunset’ clause in it. And I would have tried to get Simon Bridges on side.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:50am
Swifty

A brief but very sincere thanks to DPF for all his efforts in making this blog available to us – especially with the attendant pressure and scrutiny that must bring.

Thank you very much DPF.
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March 19, 2019 8:07am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yes thank you for hosting us Mr Farrar.
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:33am
PhilBest

Interesting take on ChCh from Townhall’s Kurt Schlichter:

“…The horrifying New Zealand terrorist attack would usually have drawn universal attacks by liberals on law-abiding Americans and their rights. On the upside, the dishonest and disgraceful slander of fellow Americans that usually accompanies these events was comparatively muted, perhaps because this loser (who should die anonymously, his videos unviewed, his manifesto unread, and his name unspoken) was so transparently attempting to provide everyone with fodder to hate their political opponents. To rile liberals, he mixed in references to Trump and Candace Owens; to outrage us Normals, he embraced leftism and environmental wackoism. It was a scam to set us at each other’s throats. The proper response to this creep’s crude manipulation is to not pretend that he was motivated by anything other than resentment over his own manifest inadequacies and failures. To hang this idiot’s acts on one’s political opponents for cheesy short-term rhetorical advantage is to play his game; instead, we should come together in the hope that the Kiwis hang that idiot…”

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/03/18/an-armed-citizenry-is-a-free-citizenry-which-is-why-liberals-want-you-disarmed-n2543237
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March 19, 2019 8:10am
- PhilBest
  
  The interesting point there, in what Kurt Schlichter is saying, is that the American gun-control Left actually is “comparatively muted” on this occasion. Many of them at least, would seem to have spotted the crazy mix of factors in this case. If anything, what is being said is that NZ’s already-strict gun control laws (from their point of view) didn’t stop this guy illegally getting large magazines and making illegal modifications.
  
  It’s not just that “with guns illegal, only criminals have guns”, it’s already the case here that “only the criminals had guns that were illegal”.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:15am
- Tall Man
  
  Awesome comment. Thaks for finding it Phil.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:44am
AgainstTheFlow

Dame Anne Salmon is even more foolish than usual today.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213747
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March 19, 2019 8:12am
- Nibbles
  
  I was going to write a comment to that effect. She’s gone full dog there, clearly sorry to be a white person. Remember, only white people can be racist.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:35am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    The way I test for Hate Speech is to substitute the descriptor.
    
    So is this case take out White and insert another race. Would their be claims of hate speech. if so then its hate speech.
    
    Easy really.
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:48am
- Inandout
  
  Anne seems to discard any information recorded by early missionaries as being ‘clouded by colonialism’. Even Maori writers of the time who recorded things against her beliefs are ignored. The Noble Savage is much more saleable.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:49am
  - Jack5
    
    Salmond’s an anthropologist, from the flakier end of anthropology, and an environmentalist.
    
    She’s one of the drivers in having NZ history re-written so it’s based on oral history.
    
    Loved by the politically correct and the Left, she’s a bit of flake.
    
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    March 19, 2019 12:29pm
- niggly
  
  I wonder who the “Eminent New Zealanders” are that Anne Salmond is slandering as being anti-Maori?
  
  Is she inventing a strawman?
  
  Or is she looking back into NZ’s past? If so what’s the point and what has that got to do with anything that has occurred in the last 3 days?
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:57am
- Dave Mann
  
  I followed your link and read it and I totally disagree that this was a foolish piece.
  
  This wasn’t foolish. It was a vile, hate ridden spew of racially driven vitriol which exposes the hive mind of woke identity politics for all to see.
  
  This woman is the lowest type of scum. At first I thought this was a satire piece…. but as it went on I realised, to my disgust, that the lowlife who wrote it was actually base enough to be using this tragic event to sow discord and further her own repulsive agenda.
  
  This Salmond woman is, frankly, beneath contempt.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:01am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    I chose to use ‘foolish’ because this week is not a time for emphatic condemnation of even those I strongly disagree with.
    
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    March 19, 2019 10:49am
  - GoVege
    
    Calm down, Dave.
    She’s just a garden variety twit.
    How on earth did she get a damehood?
    Oh hang on….she’s not the only daft dame out there…. 🙂
    
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    March 19, 2019 10:55am
    - Dave Mann
      
      I can throw light on that for you.
      
      She’s an ‘academic’ with a long history of tribal apologism and European bashing who got her damehood under the fourth labour government. Figures.
      
      Hive-minded Woke asshole.
      
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      March 19, 2019 12:56pm
      - Jack5
        
        Her special field has been use of Maori oral history in NZ revisionist history.
        
        She’s an anthropologist, and anthropology is a very soft “science”.
        
        https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080425092715AA4XCVd
        
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        March 19, 2019 7:47pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Yes, complains about white supremacy all the while written with a title of Dame!
      
      If her beliefs were so strongly held, she would renounce her title and sign onto the maori electoral roll.
      
      Not going to happen is it.
      
      Was Willy Jackson the only other contender in 2013 when she became New Zealander of the year or something?
      
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      March 19, 2019 2:36pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Hate Speech against Whites and the dumb broad is so thick she doesnt see this.
  More of the Left spewing their tribal self loathing,
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:18am
- GoVege
  
  OMG she talks a lot of crap.
  You’d think this place was run by the KKK.
  Subtle racism is a nasty unpleasant thing, but all the other races have to put up with it too.
  The best defence against racism is to strengthen families.
  Keep your family together, don’t bash eachother or the kids, don’t have more kids than you can care for properly, don’t teach your kids crime, prioritize your kids education etc etc…
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:17am
- hullkiwi
  
  After decrying everything about “white” colonialism, is it reasonable to expect Salmon to give back her honour?
  
  Her opinion piece is vitriol, dressed up as telling us that all caucasian males are nothing, but racists and that we don’t represent the “true Kiwi way.
  
  This is the same garbage the left were found of repeating ad nauseam in the 1970s/1980s calling as “white Anglo saxons privileged males”. It is garbage such as Salmond’s opinion piece that is the real inciteful hate speech and it is time people called it out for what it is.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:04pm
- Overworked
  
  Go easy on her guys, she has a brand to perpetuate.
  
  I am part Maori, and I agree certainly that there is some racism still in NZ, but it’s not a major presence any longer. This sort of self-important stirring is destructive and irresponsible.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:47pm
Monique Watson

Shame on fucking Anne Salmond for shopping such a bleak view of New Zealand’s cultural landscape. Anybody would think between her and other white female apologist witterings that Kiwis have something to apologize for over this. Oh wait, that’s exactly what know-nothings past their zenith and politicians like that cunt Peters want us to believe. To score votes.
It’s a dark day when politics overshadows the need to grieve and forge past this monstrous happening.

Racist underbelly blah de fucking blah:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12213747
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March 19, 2019 8:13am
- PhilBest
  
  How about the progressive Left sowing victimhood narratives that become self-fulfilling prophecies?
  
  The Jews never seem to have let real persecution and bigotry be an excuse for not giving life an honest try. Not to mention the SE Asian boat people who made it here, you could claim inherent bigotry against them too but they haven’t “made it” because of handouts.
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:12am
- Nibbles
  
  I have a copy of one of Salmond’s books here to be read, The Trial Of The Cannibal Dog. I very much doubt I could ever open it now. I think I might simply post it to her in protest at her article.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:00pm
- Jules99
  
  While the left project NZ as one of the most racist countries in the world, migrants are reading their words and saying, well perhaps we will go somewhere else. So the racists win thanks to her.
  
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  March 19, 2019 2:03pm
Scott

Very good turnout in Masterton last night for the vigil for the victims of the shootings in Christchurch. Great to see so many come out to pay their respects ?
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March 19, 2019 8:14am
Maggie Pie

My partner was sayig he heard that silly Andrew Dickson on 1ZB yesterday, calling out the boss of ‘Gun City’ for opening his shop on Saturday.
What was he supposed to do? Mister Tipple runs a business. Employs hundreds of staff, has to pay wages, rent, rates, taxes, bank interest etc etc like every other business owner. You don’t see any of those costs stop for a day in sympathy. It makes you wonder where they find these naieve jerks who host talkback radio shows 🙁
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March 19, 2019 8:14am
- Jules99
  
  Yeah, would be great if Auckland Council gave a rates holiday in memory of the victims. That won’t happen.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:49am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Yes, he does seem to have become the target, as he is accessible.
  
  He needs support and I am sure his customers will provide it.
  
  Ditto with the Gun club and other clubs around the country, it is an attack on how we do things.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:57am
- scrubone
  
  Yep. The attitude seems to be that “I am offended by this business therefore I demand that they cease sale of items that offend me”.
  
  I believe one of MPs had a reply to such nonsense. It was short and to the point.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:00pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Only one? In some ways the nature of Gun Cities owner is the perfect foil to this rhetoric, but what a pain in the arse to be damned by association and not even a close one.
    
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    March 19, 2019 6:51pm
lifesgood

Indiscriminate killing is never acceptable and my heart is sore that 50 people lost their lives. It is also sore that 150 Christians have been slaughtered for their religious beliefs in Nigeria in the last three weeks. The msm seems to have ignored that fact.
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March 19, 2019 8:14am
- Inandout
  
  Mike at least mentioned it on his show this morning.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:51am
Bill felt

What has become of our country in 18 short months? That is the really sad part of all this.
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March 19, 2019 8:15am
waikatogirl

What’s the story with the new moderation rules DPF? Are there certain words that will trigger moderation or is every comment going to be checked?
Asking for a friend! ?

[DPF: For now all comments are being held for moderation. I hope to later today announce a system where some commenters can have their comments appear automatically]
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March 19, 2019 8:15am
- waikatogirl
  
  Thanks David.
  I am sure it is a difficult time for you. We appreciate your forum and the freedom to voice opinions in what is mostly an interesting and varied conversation.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:48am
- alex Masterley
  
  DPF, Thanks for that note about moderation. It will help all your commenters.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:49am
  - lilman
    
    Freedom of speech is a right, not a thing that public forums can Pick and choose.
    
    Was disappointed by yesterday’s effort.
    
    Nothing dishonest or hateful yet was removed.
    
    Thought my time in armed services was worth at least some reward.
    
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    March 19, 2019 12:22pm
- holysheet
  
  Some commentators?
  Have you got a list of names of suspect commenters?
  Asking for another friend of course…
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:55am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    You must not say unkind things about future Sir Winston. He has turned a new leaf and not loves his Muslim brothers and sisters.
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:24am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Do you believe Winston has changed his view Chuck? Only asking as he has fooled you at least once. ?
      
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      March 19, 2019 11:48am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        WG, This may answer your question. I am now of the opinion that National should go real hard. They could ask him if he was too stupid to fill out his on form for super or just a welfare fraudster in the House.
        
        He has backflipped on gun control and Muslim immigration. Let me know what you think of these videos.
        
        https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/03/put-fork-in-him-winston-is-done.html?m=1
        
        https://www.magic.co.nz/home/archivedtalk/video/2017/06/video–winston-peters-under-fire-for-islamic-communities–must-c.html
        
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        March 19, 2019 12:00pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        My reply is still awaiting moderation. The terrorist is winning.
        
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        March 19, 2019 3:34pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Well DPF: I wish other media platforms take your lead and pause for thought, BEFORE opening their big mouths and rush to their politically slanted judgement….OOOPPPs too late.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:06am
- PhilBest
  
  The Orwellian culture war against free speech comes to NZ, thanks to a despicably evil man who included that among his intentions. He wanted to provoke the left establishment into a clampdown that would be new causes of resentment and division. And so it goes. KB as it was, was indicative of a healthy state of demos in Godzone. Don’t let the guilt sowers get to you, DPF. And from “our” side, we’ll understand that your choices in the matter are going to be limited in the coming years.
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:22am
  - projectman
    
    The important question about moderation is its impact on freedom of speech, a fine line to tread. Of course what one gets is the moderator’s view on freedom of speech which will not be consistent between platforms (compare, for example, Kiwiblog and the Stranded).
    
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    March 20, 2019 12:26pm
Nibbles

I don’t see how normal honest firearms owners handing in their semi-autos for voluntary destruction is going to do an ounce of good for anybody, nor how Facebook can be blamed for “allowing” a live stream.
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March 19, 2019 8:16am
- sooty
  
  Would people in the future be happy to hand in their mobile phone?
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:37am
- Rachael Membery
  
  If an algorithm could/should have picked that content up and shut it down then it should have.
  
  Absolutely appalling the number of shares and ffs likes. Even that should have alerted something providing oversight to what was, as someone said the other day, essentially a snuff movie.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:07am
  - Nibbles
    
    I don’t think any algorithm we have now can pick up on and stop a live stream. That takes humans, and inescapably involves delay. Where Facebook might be culpable is the length of time they took to take it down.
    
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    March 19, 2019 12:08pm
- PhilBest
  
  Exactly, the point is that anyone who is so “decent” as to hand their guns in now, are the people least likely to ever have caused a criminal problem.
  
  Further, unfortunately, many of the “resisters” who might ultimately face forced confiscations, will represent the “good guys with guns” who we might one day be sorry not to have around.
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:25am
redeye

I’m not sure how anyone else feels, and personally I think Cindy is probably doing what she should be doing (showing sympathy to the victims). But the number of soft focus, Woman’s Weekly like photos of her that have appeared on my facebook feed, always along with professionally written script about her being some super humane leader, would indicate the Labour party are using this disaster to promote the shit out of their only star. And that is starting to feel a little macabre.
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March 19, 2019 8:16am
- Happychappy
  
  We did it with John Key and the left squealed like piglets I despise her for her lies and her politics but having to front a barbaric disaster like this and handling it in the manor she has Labour can be proud.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:55am
Padriv Ustoev

No one is talking about the shooter, clearly being a paranoid schizophrenic.

Why is the media framing the situation like this guy is normal and rational and not doing the mental health angle?
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March 19, 2019 8:16am
- snowy
  
  I think we all know why. Just like the media is not referring to the shooter as a “lone wolf”
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:35am
- lifesgood
  
  Would a paranoid schizophrenic be able to fly so low under the radar? I don’t know, just asking. Maybe someone with knowledge about it could answer.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    I have had one as a friend for many years now and I doubt very much that he would have ever been granted a firearms license.
    
    We should stop look for categories to put this guy in.
    
    He is just a nasty little bully and a bit full of his own importance. We need to rob him of his “platform”.
    
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    March 19, 2019 8:47am
    - Disillusioned_Voter
      
      Yep, that’s why I’ve only referred to him as “Player One”…
      however, it was pointed out to me that one of many commonalities amongst white mass shooters is to be recently proscribed psychotropic – anti-depressant – drugs. It will be interesting to see if this is applicable in this case.
      
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      March 19, 2019 9:35am
      - PhilBest
        
        That’s a horrific possibility you raise. I personally believe that some proportion of suicides of people on SSRI’s are caused by the drugs.
        
        http://www.drugwatch.com/ssri/suicide/
        
        “…Antidepressants have also been linked to akathisia, which is extreme restlessness and an inability to sit still. The discomfort can be so great that suicide becomes a welcome alternative to feeling this type of agitation. Sometimes akathisia is misdiagnosed as worsening depression, so medication dosage is increased, causing the restlessness to persist…”
        
        I personally experienced this “side effect” when prescribed Prozac for the first time (actually one fruitless attempt among many to alleviate a chronic pain syndrome) and the semi-hallicinatory hell I was in by the fifth night was hard to describe. I had initially thought it was “depression” and that the drug needed time to work to “reverse this”; but by the fifth night it was obvious to me that it was the drug actually doing it. In the wee small hours of the morning I started Googling and found the above link.
        
        I haven’t tried any antidepressant since.
        
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        March 19, 2019 10:35am
      - PhilBest
        
        Here’s how I would describe the “restlessness” I experienced. The constant movement is actually an instinctive “trying to get away” from what feels like an intense malign supernatural force enveloping and permeating one from the outside in. A “blackness”. The urge “to get away”, goes as far as trying to kind of “throw yourself” bodily “out of” the invasive enveloping force. I can understand why some people defenestrate under these conditions.
        
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        March 19, 2019 10:41am
      - PhilBest
        
        In general, I am skeptical about the whole “mainstream medicine” approach to drug trials, whereby drugs get approved “because they helped” a majority of patients in the trial. The entire “mainstream medical” system is completely incurious about working out why something didn’t work for a significant minority, and what should be done for that cohort out in the general public, for whom the “approved drug” will be useless and even harmful. There is very likely a pre-disposing factor that could be identified, but the system doesn’t work that way. It is like “drug identified and approved, responsibility to the public discharged”.
        
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        March 19, 2019 10:44am
      - Dave Mann
        
        commonalities amongst white mass shooters
        
        Fuck off and take your racial slurs and innuendo with you. Mass murderers come in many races, sizes and cultures and ‘whiteness’ is in no way a contributing factor.
        
        Idiot.
        
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        March 19, 2019 10:55am
      - Disillusioned_Voter
        
        Dave, stop being an idiot.
        If you look at the mass murderers that happen to be white, a number of common traits appear, some of which include:
        -child of military personnel.
        -working with psychiatrist.
        -has been on anti-depressant drugs.
        
        I am interested to see if any of these are true of Player One.
        
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        March 19, 2019 12:26pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    More likely just an inadequate fringe dweller with self-esteem issues and a huge chip on his shoulder.
    
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    March 19, 2019 8:52am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Maybe a user of mind and body altering substances (steroids etc) to enhance his career as a personal trainer?
      Also be interesting to know how much of his life he has devoted to playing violent, repetitive and competitive video games where killing people is the successful outcome.
      
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      March 19, 2019 9:35am
    - AgainstTheFlow
      
      That is the pattern of all terrorists of all kinds:
      Inadequate people (usually men, sad to say) trying to be significant, big people.
      
      The conflict/war/struggle makes their life less ordinary and them more important.
      
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      March 19, 2019 9:43am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Legalize cannabis and we will see more schizophrenics.
    
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    March 19, 2019 12:05pm
- Stephen James
  
  Because he is white and male. Two great sins these days.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:40am
  - scrubone
    
    Yea, someone on facebook was making a “we should all reject racism” post, then in the comments linked to a “how white men are…”
    
    I said “that was fast”, and now I can’t find the post anymore…
    
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    March 19, 2019 12:58pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Seems unlikely he is a paranoid schizophrenic more likely just a narcissistic military fantasist. Given different influences he could just have easily become a Jihadist.
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:14am
- Komata
  
  Padriv
  
  Why?
  
  Because to NOT do so would be to go against the ‘Pro-islam, anti-white’ narrative.
  
  Can’t have the truth get in the way of a ‘made for’ story can we?
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:29am
- KevOB
  
  I think he is more likely to fit into the narcissist personality class in DSM-5. Only the mental health experts know.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:03pm
- Overworked
  
  His writing shows no signs of schizophrenic thinking, and little or no trace of paranoia.
  
  He is almost certainly personality disordered, but that’s another matter entirely.
  
  IMO he’s bad, not mad and it does us no favours to promote a view that could see him taking an insanity plea.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:54pm
Exclamation Mark

If NZ is serious about promoting racial harmony and ending racism altogether, can I suggest that a good place to start would be to stop printing crap from the likes of Anne Salmond where she blames white people for pretty everything that goes wrong in NZ:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213747
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March 19, 2019 8:16am
- Happychappy
  
  Winston has made it a foundation of his Politics over the years and if it’s not Muslims it is Maori and that’s what he did last Election to draw older people like those on kiwiblog to vote for him and teach National a lesson, so how did that work out. Here he is again in 2005.
  https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2005-07-28/nz-leader-attacks-muslim-militant-underbelly/2068776?pfmredir=sm
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:00am
  - Ruahine
    
    And if it is not Muslims it is Maori and if it is not Maori it is Chinese.
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:31am
Chuck Bird

Good morning. Let us be kind to each other.
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March 19, 2019 8:17am
- Tall Man
  
  You start 🙂
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:57am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Has this tiger changed his spots?
    or did this leopard change his stripes?
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:44am
srylands

I would like to encourage the Green Party to reconsider its policy to both abolish the GCSB and to “consider” the abolition of the SIS.

Thank you.

https://www.greens.org.nz/page/security-services-summary
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March 19, 2019 8:19am
- Tall Man
  
  I would like to encourage the “green party” bludgers to consider leaving New Zealand politics for ever…..
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:57am
  - KiWombat
    
    I would like to encourage GangGreen to leave – full stop ! Maybe they could move to A O T A rower !
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:40am
  - sooty
    
    At the next election!
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:43am
Tall Man

And the bullshit continues.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213747

“After this terrible tragedy, let’s be honest, for once. White supremacy is a part of us, a dark power in the land. In its soft version, it looks bland and reasonable.”

That’s where I stopped.
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March 19, 2019 8:21am
- Shut the hell up you Fascist!
  
  Salmon’s comments today were Hate Speech
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sorry, hate speech only emanates from the “right”.
    
    What you call left wing hate speech is just forceful education for us morons.
    
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    March 19, 2019 8:49am
    - unaha-closp
      
      She is just applying the standard reasoning of the average rich white American.
      
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      March 19, 2019 9:09am
sooty

Are the Police going to pay market rates for all these guns that JacnDUH wants handed in?
If they are not I’m picking it would be like OZ only a third got picked up. The rest are not in the gun safe!
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March 19, 2019 8:24am
- lifesgood
  
  They paid people to hand them in in Oz and apparently some people got paid multiple times for one gun.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:37am
  - srylands
    
    Yes it cost $500 million. That was a lot of money in 1996.
    
    I was living in Australia at the time. Even after the Port Arthur massacre, many gun owners were apolpelectic at the proposed law changes. There is a photo of John Howard addressing one of the pro gun rallies. You can see clearly that he is wearing a bullet proof vest.
    
    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/john-howards-biggest-regret-in-his-11-years-as-prime-minister/news-story/06b3f2f50e9aa47586f155f2ac601ce0
    
    He subsequently said he regretted being persuaded to wear it.
    
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    March 19, 2019 8:52am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Yes it cost $500 million. That was a lot of money in 1996.
      About covered by the CGT.
      
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      March 19, 2019 9:45am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Any idea how they did it?
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:28am
- Chuck Bird
  
  How are market rates to be determined? Is it a guess at what a used gun would fetch before the ban?
  How was about someone who has added a scope designed for the gun? With that be included in the price?
  
  If this left-wing government does not pay a fair price the gangs and even white supremacist will offer more.
  
  Has the government considered these issues? I doubt it.
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:49am
  - waikatogirl
    
    A barrister is calling for the gun review to be placed on hold until decisions can be made with clear heads so that the laws passed no from knee-jerk reaction.
    
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    March 19, 2019 8:58am
    - Tall Man
      
      Did he charge for that pertinant advice 🙂
      
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      March 19, 2019 9:14am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Female, yes a clear head, calling for cool heads. President? of the Bar Association.
        
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        March 19, 2019 11:03am
      - waikatogirl
        
        She, I believe.
        
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        March 19, 2019 11:54am
      - Tall Man
        
        Apologies.. gender non specific 🙂
        
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        March 19, 2019 12:55pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      Unfortunately “clear heads” is not a COL strong point.
      
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      March 19, 2019 10:11am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Why a white supremacist reference, aren’t they a very small group at the upper end of a sliding scale?
    
    Seems a very rapid leap from once being accused of white privilege to now being accused of being a white supremicist.
    
    I am white, I am no more going to apologise for that than I expect any one else to apologise for their cultural heritage.
    
    There is nothing wrong with live and let live.
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:16am
    - unaha-closp
      
      Because this is how racism works, extreme events are always used to differentiate. The problem for racists (alt-right and SJW) is that racism (genetic or societal) is non-applicable to the vast majority of humanity. So similar is humanity that racists have to use the extremities to push their insane BS theories.
      
      Live and let live is better 99.99% of the time, because humanity is overwhelmingly similar.
      
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      March 19, 2019 10:54am
  - Swifty
    
    Great potential for scams too – unless they get their numbers and their process right.
    
    Anyone with a few lazy actions kicking around the shed can slap on an el cheapo barrel and a dirt-cheap stock and, voila, the taxpayer is up for hundreds, or more, to take it off your hands.
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:54am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      There are apparently also donation scams profiting from this tragedy also, all types of scum.
      
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      March 19, 2019 11:01am
- freethinker
  
  And if Semi Automatics are to be banned will that include those in Police use?
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:29am
RRM

Test
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March 19, 2019 8:27am
- Dave Mann
  
  Testing your test. My hateful bile filled white supremacist racial slur is awaiting moderation…. 😀
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:15am
Tall Man

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213122

I did not watch the video and just flicked through the rambling “manifesto” when it was first flicked out.

However, this is on mainstream television.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW9fnvPtoXk
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March 19, 2019 8:29am
- Stephen James
  
  Good to see the twat with the cell phone lending a hand; NOT!. What a twat!
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:32am
Rachael Membery

Good morning New Zealand, no it wasn’t a nightmare this is our new reality.
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March 19, 2019 8:29am
- Tall Man
  
  It’s a great morning here Rachael.
  
  The misery of the world can only drag us down if we let it.
  
  When I see our resident “haters” start to launch I alway have a good chuckle before I reply. They do not realise that I, like most on here, am well past being affected by them or their ilk.
  
  There has been so much violence portrayed on screens over the past 20 years both real and “acted” that I think we are all a little enured to violence but that does not mean we can’t feel a little saddened as I do every time I see another attack on all our freedoms.
  
  I see another 3 dead in The Netherlands yesterday, how many tomorrow?
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:55am
Souvlaki

So…..is it now ” hate speech” to critique any of the tenets of Islamism??
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March 19, 2019 8:31am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Yes. But it is okay for a Muslim Green MP to be anti-Semitic.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:32am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Apparently so. Media/Left are trying to kill all dissent to their skewed views by smearing anyone who disagrees with intersectionality or tenets of islam or high immigration as a white supremacist/racist or ‘islamaphobe’ and trying to manufacture a bogeyman to allow them to push their agendas by pretending there is some massive white supremacist/racism issue in NZ.
  
  I don’t think that there is much that can be done about that in short term other than quietly waiting for the current media tantrum to abate. The black-swan nature of the Breivik like christchurch attack doesn’t change the broader issues surrounding immigration and integration.
  
  Good article in spiked on the matter:
  https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/03/18/new-zealands-ghoulish-opportunists/
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:10am
- KevOB
  
  Hate speech seems to be anything which you feel offended by. Almost meaningless.
  There are occasions when suppression is justified like in giving a war enemy secrets but mostly not. To bring in the degree of control required to prevent offense would it itself be an offense against civil society.
  
  Where have love and tolerance gone? That latter goes a long way towards a peaceful life. The govt has welcomed immigrants to become citizens. We are not obliged to adopt the newcomers viewpoints or beliefs but we have a duty to likewise welcome them and assist them as they make their homes among us. We get to know them as neighbours and they us as we become citizens together.
  
  Tolerance is human: love is divine. Both are available.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:23pm
Nibbles

Did anybody else see the news that an Islamist Chechen went on a shooting spree in the Dutch city of Utrecht?
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March 19, 2019 8:47am
- waikatogirl
  
  Domestic related. He shot at a family member then at those who went to help the victim. Not deemed terrorism.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:00am
  - Nibbles
    
    BBC had it down as a terrorist attack when I read it. I see they’ve now updated the report to say the Dutch police think “family reasons” may have been involved.
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:31am
- Tall Man
  
  Reported as Turkish on the site I read.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:01am
  - Nibbles
    
    Er yes, my mistake. He’d been in Chechnya, but is Turkish.
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:29am
Odakyu-sen

The only way to stop these kinds of senseless killings is to introduce the “Fly-wing Check” on all applications for a firearms licence.
In this check, officials interview former classmates of the person applying for a firearms licence as ask them if the applicant, to their knowledge, ever pulled the wings off flies or did some other cruel or weird act to other living creatures. (A special sub-paragraph for unusual behavior at gymnasiums can be added later.)
There. That ought to make our streets safer.

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March 19, 2019 8:55am
- Tall Man
  
  You may take your tongue out of your cheek now, just in case the wind changes….
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:13am
Odakyu-sen

Are all comments subject to moderation this morning? (Looks like it….)

[DPF: Yes]
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March 19, 2019 8:56am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  We live in times where we have to be careful what we say.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:26am
Berend de Boer

What do people think about Stuff quietly removing an article about a guy who attended the Al Noor mosque and later ended up fighting in Yemen? And there was a second guy attending there too, article on Newshub, but they have not scrubbed that.

Please keep to the topic about Stuff quietly removing inconvenient articles. I’m not claiming Al Noor was radicalising people, there is no evidence for that, it’s much more likely these people ended up in the only mosque in Christchurch because they were radicalised already.
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March 19, 2019 9:04am
Berend de Boer

Have you guys already turned in your friends? NZ Herald journalist https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213510&fbclid=IwAR14ZJdsmq-wzhAVWDs5QG9uSXW1lvPEJZbvebdNkyoKl22iacjAdC0iBAM asks you to become in informer:

But there’s something else you need to do, and you need to start doing it from right now. You need to report your racist friends. … That friend who puts on a fake Indian accent? That’s what a racist looks like. … It’s not enough to unfriend them or unfollow them, it’s not enough to distance yourself from them. … report them, all the way to police if need be.
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March 19, 2019 9:08am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Great. The 20th Century has started again.
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:22am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Hmm I think some guys did it a while ago, didn;’t turn out too well in the end…
  
  https://www.ushmm.org/learn/introduction-to-the-holocaust/ethical-leaders/background/some-were-neighbors
  
  https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17376494
  
  But who reads the Herald anyway?
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:31am
- Nibbles
  
  It was noticed and discussed in yesterday’s GD. Anyone who has read Solzhenitsyn’s The Gulag Archipelago will not fail to see the terrifying parallels to the opening chapters.
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:50am
RW Capitalist

A suspicious fire has broken out at a gun club in Northland. A police spokeswoman said officers were called to assist Fire and Emergency NZ at the fire on Okahu Downs Drive in Kaitaia at 4.15am on Tuesday. The fire is believed to have been at the Kaitaia Gun Club.2 hours ago
Is it starting? The irrational response?
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March 19, 2019 9:14am
Berend de Boer

I’m also interested in people’s opinion on our internet companies blocking certain sites. I have no issue with them making quick decisions in an unprecedented situation. Trying to block kids from easily accessing bad stuff served a good purpose.

But legitimate news sites like zerohedge got blocked too.

Should there be some kind of policy? Or even a law change?

Was what they did helpful?

The somewhat scary thought is obviously that they have the standing capability to quickly forbid access to a portion of the internet. And they blocked only smaller sites, not the large and big companies who had the same content.
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March 19, 2019 9:16am
- Batman
  
  Sites that host an objectionable publication (which the video obviously is) are breaking the law and ISPs have a responsibility to limit illegal content.
  
  You may think zerohedge is legitimate (I disagree, it’s rambling conspiracy rubbish imo) but since they’re most likely hosting pictures or snippets of the video itself, they’ve been blocked.
  
  There’s no law change or directive, it’s all under the Classification Act or whatever it is. We don’t have a China style firewall (thank god) so this is the only way to block content in an emergency.
  
  It’s probably a sign that you should find some more respectable news sources.
  
  YouTube, FB and Twitter have shown a willingness to remove the content despite how difficult it actually is to do, so they remain unblocked.
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:29am
  - KevOB
    
    The Classification Act is a dubious tool. An Inspector cannot enter a private dwelling. The classification of the online material may be offensive but that requires a formal order.
    
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    March 19, 2019 1:36pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I didn’t /won’t watch the video. Saw enough in South Africa. I did read the Manifesto or bits of it. However, I have a problem with it, offensive as it is, being banned. Who ultimately is the arbiter of what is indecent? Will WW2 videos showing executions and killing be banned, what about the plethora of videos coming out of Syria from the battlefields? Where does freedom of speech and expression start and end? I can see some need for control of speech inciting violence, but even so, is it not better to be informed than live under a rock? I do beleive this needs further debate and there are no simple answers.
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:39am
  - Batman
    
    The Chief Censor, they determined it to be objectionable almost immediately.
    
    It’s on their Twitter and the NZ Police Twitter.
    
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    March 19, 2019 1:24pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Zerohedge was fine, (excluding the comments section!)… they just had a bearish point of view on economics. Nothing else.
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:51am
Stars And Stripes

So the witch hunt is well and truly underway and no effort is being spared to blame the usual scapegoats such as Gun City.
If you prescribe to the line of thought that the business who legally sold the guns to the killer is somehow responsible for what happened then we need to take this to it’s logical conclusion and blame the makers of the vehicle he drove to the mosque as they provided the means as well.
Where did he buy fuel for the car because obviously the service station in question employs “enablers” also.
Let’s not forget who sold him food that day as well because he could not have done this without nourishment so they should be held liable as a party to the crime.
Anyway point being how far are we going to go with this stupid finger pointing and bad guy stuff.
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March 19, 2019 9:28am
- OTGO
  
  Finger pointing is the close relative of hand wringing.
  And both are of epidemic proportions right now in NZ.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:43pm
rightoverlabour

So, lets us assume they ban the semiautos. Other than gunshop records, how they going to know who has them? And if someone says, I threw it away, or destroyed it or lost it or it was stolen, how they going to check? Once again this will result in naive, law abiding owners losing firearms while the deceitful, criminally minded will still be armed. And civilians will be less safe.
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March 19, 2019 9:35am
- Berend de Boer
  
  Luckily bolt action rifles don’t kill. And the police is there in seconds once someone starts shooting, and they don’t let the ambulance wait while people are bleeding to death.
  
  So all going to be solved, and I’m feeling so much safer now.
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    Good point.
    
    JFK, 22/11/1963, bolt action Carcano. 3 shots in 1.7 seconds.
    
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    March 19, 2019 10:52am
  - Batman
    
    Berend that’s a silly argument.
    
    Semi-autos are far more dangerous and you all know it. Banning them will hardly cause anyone harm.
    
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    March 19, 2019 11:31am
    - Berend de Boer
      
      Batman, I’m open to be convinced.
      
      Please tell me, if this guy had just 5 bolt action rifles on him, would the death toll have been less?
      
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      March 19, 2019 12:42pm
    - Tall Man
      
      So is it time to ban Lime scooters because they are causing injury?
      
      While I’m at it, what about knives? In April last year a released killer stabbed a young woman to death shortly after have two knives seized at a ploice checkpoint. Is that OK because only one person was murdered?
      
      Why don’t we look at the problem of the man rather than the tools he used?
      
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      March 19, 2019 1:02pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  And maybe forced to become ‘criminal’?
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:54am
RW Capitalist

From our friend, over on “The Standard”
Muttonbird 7
18 March 2019 at 8:09 pm

Apparently Duncan Garner named Whaleoil and Kiwiblog as right wing hate speech sites this morning. Didn’t hear it myself but it would explain David Farrar’s frantic cleaning.

It’s the equivalent of having company around but there are skid marks on the dunny. Farrar wasn’t ‘doing the right thing’ – he was forced to do it and evidence of that is there was absolutely zero attempt to condemn and clean up islamophobic comments previously.

Farrar has a real issue with his white supremacist groupies and he knows it. They know it too because they are all fearful of having their free speech hate speech examined.
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March 19, 2019 9:41am
- RW Capitalist
  
  More from our friend, at The standard
  Muttonbird 9
  18 March 2019 at 8:43 pm
  
  The other thing I noticed was how angry they are that the PM was wearing a headscarf on Sunday.
  
  This triggered the already islamophobic, the already misogynistic, and the already furious at Jacinda for being Jacinda.
  
  And that the world has noticed it? Sent them over the edge.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:56am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    or one of his friends
    Peter 10.2.1.1
    18 March 2019 at 10:34 pm
    
    Exhibiting common decency because they have to? The thing is, mongrels infesting Kiwiblog won’t be having random attacks or frequent outbursts of decency or getting decency implants, they’ll simply find other ways of polluting the world. No doubt they’ve bred and sending infected offspring into the world.
    
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    March 19, 2019 10:00am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Last time, I promise
      vto 15
      19 March 2019 at 7:27 am
      
      Very interesting development in the mind of Farrar..
      
      and good note on false equivalence, and also just above linking in John Key and his “join the right side” hate speech, which arguably also enabled last Friday’s massacre.
      
      The National Party, on so very many issues, is hateful and mean. Typically it is in relation to workers. This incident highlights its horrible underbelly which provides solace to the haters and supremacists.
      
      Farrar has recognised this, it seems. Perhaps other National Party people will also realise how much of what they stand for and promote is in fact nasty, mean and hateful. And that they should not turn the blind eye that they do to those policies and speeches which drive other people down so they can rise up.
      
      The National Party is a mean and nasty organisation that people should avoid
      
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      March 19, 2019 10:03am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Well that got through moderation. I didn’t find it moderate at all.
        
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        March 19, 2019 10:48am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        These commentators from the dark.side, appear to have difficulties with reality or am I living in a parallel universe where National are not throwing kittens from moving cars?
        
        So much hate.
        
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        March 19, 2019 11:06am
      - unaha-closp
        
        The Strandred have stopped blaming immigrants for everything? Will wonders never cease, how long until their usual anti-immigrant bile returns?
        
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        March 19, 2019 11:08am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Yes Rachael, it is the Standard on…
        “The Standard”
        All things anti National are OK
        
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        March 19, 2019 12:29pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Muttonbird doesn’t deserve the right to comment on this blog, in the spirit of the new age of suppression that the left are keen to impose on the right.
        
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        March 19, 2019 1:04pm
- Berend de Boer
  
  What frantic cleaning?
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:26am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The five minute period before people turn up at yours that you forgot about
    
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    March 19, 2019 11:08am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I personally found Muttonbird a peach, as an agent provocateur he abjectly failed trying to enflame me by calling me a bitch and a witch.
  
  A sad individual who has little if anything to contribute. A candidate to be explored re extremism?
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:53am
- waikatogirl
  
  MB, if you are watching this copy of your post collecting upticks, I wish to make it clear I was upticking “RW Capitalist” posting the comment, not for what you said.
  
  You, MB, are an Arsewipe for twisting the truth for your own evil ends.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:07pm
- KevOB
  
  I haven’t seen any white supremacist groupies on KB. There are congenial widely diverse opinions here and David’s light handed moderation is to be commended.
  
  It’s great having such a free ranging forum. We may roast each other if we think someones too far out of line but KB’s like a good neighbourhood where you know that the guy in the red house doesn’t like cats and says so on his letterbox and he gives you a kitten for Xmas.
  
  KB racist? Definitely not.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:48pm
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    Congenial? lol
    
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    March 19, 2019 7:09pm
Yvette

Others have commented on this –

Dame Anne Salmond: Racist underbelly seethes just beneath surface.
In its hard version, it’s violent and hateful, spewing out curses, incarcerating young Māori in large numbers, denying them a decent education, homes and jobs, telling them they have no future, and are better off dead – Salmond

Is she right?

Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.
… “There’s no mana for Māori who support a waka that’s shackled to the National Party.” – Kelvin Davis https://www.labour.org.nz/no_mana_for_m_ori

Kelvin, unlike Salmond, actually supports his comments with statistics.

But I can’t quite see the relevance of this to Tarrant.
Tarrant was radicalized, according to him, between April 2017 and the end May, 2017, by an event in Stockholm and then two experiences in France, so not in New Zealand. He was in Portugal and Spain, Spring 2017, and Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary November 2018.

So how long has he actually been in New Zealand to have had any interaction with society here, apart from see that his apparently predetermined violence could be more easily performed here than elsewhere?
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March 19, 2019 9:44am
- Jack5
  
  Salmond’s an anthropologist, from the flakier end of anthropology, and an environmentalist.
  
  She’s one of the drivers in having NZ history re-written so it’s based on oral history.
  
  Loved by the politically correct and the Left, she’s a bit of flake.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:30pm
Ruahine

Have just watched Q+A On Demand with Andrew Little being interviewed by Corrin Dann. Andrew Little actually spoke quite sensibly. As for Dann. Is there some sort of affliction that many in the Media suffer from other than obvious self importantism.
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March 19, 2019 9:45am
- Batman
  
  Medias-selfimportantisia
  
  Sadly it is an incurable disease but can lessen with age and retirement from the profession.
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:52am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    A bit like Labour MP’s and alcoholics, is it ever really over?
    
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    March 19, 2019 11:37pm
Poppa

Meanwhile back in the jungle…….how many houses have you sold this week Phil?

OK that isn’t many is it. I think best try harder, this shooting thing is going to calm down soon & you may need to have some answers.

Cheers Poppa
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March 19, 2019 9:45am
UrbanNeocolonialist

UK labour on venezuela, now and then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=zA254jAGgpQ
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March 19, 2019 9:51am
Dave Mann

@DPF: I’ve really liked Kiwiblog and I’ve enjoyed the sense of community which commenting here has given me.

Your posts have always been well written, informative and thought provoking and the huge range of comments from differing viewpoints has, IMHO, prevented your blog from being merely an echo chamber.

It is with sadness therefore that I see that you no longer trust your contributors and readers to self-moderate with the downticking ‘comment hidden’ and reporting system that has worked so well up until now.

I don’t think you could physically moderate every comment single-handedly; there simply isn’t enough time in the day. So what… do you have an army of helpers assigned to you from the office of state propaganda now? Or maybe a cute little AI bot which will help everybody not to say wicked things?

Sorry that it has come to this. I think I’ll have to find another forum if this continues much longer. I notice that even though Cam Slater’s Whaleoil is much maligned here, that blog is actually showing some balls and has the courage to stand up to the Woke generation and say it like it is.
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March 19, 2019 9:58am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Just give it a few weeks, there is currently a roving mob of left wing outrage junkies thrashing about in NZ media-sphere. But soon they will run out of steam, bore their audience and unimpassioned normalcy will likely then resume.
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:54am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    To polish the metaphor: left wing outrage ~~junkies~~ monkeys thrashing their way about the NZ media-sphere ooking and throwing shit at everyone.
    
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    March 19, 2019 12:56pm
- Doctor Who
  
  self-moderate with the downticking ‘comment hidden’
  
  Moderation? Bollocks. Never anything more than “removing” comments that were unpopular or not made by one of the “tribe”.
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:39am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Sorry, I upticked you by accident. Fat fingers….
    
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    March 19, 2019 1:22pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Are you an outlier? too bad, so sad, never mind.
    
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    March 19, 2019 4:32pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Dear Dave. Please don’t go. And please remember that DPF has already found himself the focus of the hate-filled rabid left for many years.
  
  It’s disappointing in the short-term. But these are terrifying times. At 1:40pm on Friday, that murdering monster triggered the left, he finally gave them something thay have never ever had – a real life example that proved that anyone who disagreed with Muslim immigration is a homicidal maniac. They feel vindicated. All the self-doubt has gone. And now they are on a rampage to shut-down all forums that offer a dissident view. DPF’s Kuwiblog is the Holy grail for the left.
  
  If it goes they will know they’re going to win and the light will die.
  
  Two things give me hope in these dark days:
  – KB,
  – Mike Hosking
  
  A little bit of prudence by DPF now seems a small price to retain this sort of discussion.
  
  Hold the faith Dave. It’s a long game.
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:53am
- Disillusioned_Voter
  
  Dave,
  consider that it isn’t that DPF doesn’t trust us, it’s that he doesn’t trust how others (outsiders, if you will) will portray him.
  Given the probable repercussions to his business as a result, DPF is more than justified to moderate comments in a regimented fashion.
  
  But enjoy your time over at Whaleoil.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:00pm
- 4077th
  
  Given this blog is frequently referred to as being “right wing” as is WO..WO probably more so and probably share many common commenters, not only would they be targeted by the extreme left but the possibility of the extreme right. For these reasons, I would prefer to give neither party a platform to spread hate. If the only option to do this is moderate every comment then I support it. When the dust settles, hopefully sooner rather than later, commenting resumes as normal. Friday’s events are unprecedented so one might expect unprecedented measures to deal with the fallout.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:23pm
- KevOB
  
  With the govt going full blast with very dubious authority and claims under the classification laws who know what may cause trouble? DPF is exposed at present.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:58pm
rangitoto

According to the NY Times, Erdoğan is using excerpts from the perps video as election propaganda. Despicable.
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March 19, 2019 10:05am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  It is reprehensible but, what is the context?
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:48am
  - Batman
    
    Continuing his push for a resurgent Muslim theocracy, based on himself of course
    
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    March 19, 2019 11:54am
slightlyrighty

There is talk that the shooter will not be charged under the Suppression of Terrorism Act, and on the murder charges alone.

This would be a good move for 2 reasons. Although I am a lay person in respect of the law.

1. The deaths of 50 people at his hand, will be enough to incarcerate the gunman for the rest of his natural life without recourse to an untested law which has already come up against barriers when last used.

2. By removing any political motivations from the charges, this will effectively deny the gunman a platform to spout his poison in defence of his actions.

Don’t get me wrong. One of the central tenets of our justice system is that all people are entitled to a robust defence, but it will be harder to argue the political nature of his abhorrent actions if we remove the politics from the charge sheet. He will still try it, I’m sure, but we need not gift him the opportunity by raising the issue first.
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March 19, 2019 10:32am
Sir Leslie Bottocks

Ghoulish opportunists!

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/03/18/new-zealands-ghoulish-opportunists/
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March 19, 2019 10:37am
- simpleton1
  
  Thanks Sir Leslie Bottocks:- Very good points of the game Simon says:- “Do this”, “Do that” “this” “you are out”.
  
  “– the instruction from our betters has been the same every time. Don’t get angry, they say. Don’t exaggerate the threat of terrorism, they counsel. And don’t dare suggest that any book or idea, whether it is the Koran itself or pamphlets handed out at more questionable mosques, contributed to this attack. ‘These killers have nothing to do with Islam’, as the tiresome, silencing mantra goes. Our role after Islamist terror is to manage our anger, put politics on hold, lay a flower or two, and then go back to our everyday lives. ‘Don’t look back in anger’, as the anthem went after Manchester.
  
  This time the response could not be more different. Now we are actively invited to feel anger. Now we are told we must look for the source material that inspired this hateful individual and then condemn it and censor it. Now we are told that we must organise against the new fascism. After Islamist terror the key instruction from the self-styled guardians of correct moral thought is that we should forget politics and just grieve. Now we’re told to get political, take terrorism seriously, physically protest against the new hatefulness: there has already been a protest in London against Islamophobia and there will be one today at News UK, home to The Times and the Sun, such is the shrill, censorious, media-blaming hysteria of the ghoulish opportunists of the New Zealand horror. – the instruction from our betters has been the same every time. Don’t get angry, they say. Don’t exaggerate the threat of terrorism, they counsel. And don’t dare suggest that any book or idea, whether it is the Koran itself or pamphlets handed out at more questionable mosques, contributed to this attack. ‘These killers have nothing to do with Islam’, as the tiresome, silencing mantra goes. Our role after Islamist terror is to manage our anger, put politics on hold, lay a flower or two, and then go back to our everyday lives. ‘Don’t look back in anger’, as the anthem went after Manchester.
  
  A good debate through the 30 or so comments too.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:41pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Apologies about the double up in one part.
    
    It is with love that is said the world goes round, but the effective part of love is truth, that is tempered with wisdom.
    
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    March 19, 2019 2:25pm
- Tall Man
  
  Excellent and accurate article…
  
  Try posting this on the Standard…
  
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  March 19, 2019 7:29pm
Pascal

What happened in Christchurch is a horrible thing. Innocent New Zealanders lost their lives and I can see a country that doesn’t know, understand or see violence regularly struggle to comprehend this.

I grew up in South Africa and, my youth there inured me to violence. I have enough friends who lost family members to racial violence. To senseless violence. One of them was murdered in his driveway while the youths involved shot him in different parts of his body to see how he’d jerk and spasm. One of my girlfriends had her uncle shot and paralyzed in a game park while he was jogging, wearing only shorts, because he wouldn’t give he murderer his shorts. You grow up hearing stories like that a few times a day, you eventually don’t even hear it anymore.

For me, the lasting image of that violent country was when a woman, walking down a beachfront promenade was attacked by a group of men wielding screwdrivers and hammers and other tools. They stopped next to her and were trying to grab her handbag. A morning news crew was filming the promenade from the hotel and the image that will always remain with me was the man, walking five steps ahead of her. He turned, looked over his shoulder and carried on walking.

But now I am watching the New Zealand I love burn. I’m finding it confusing, because what has been ingrained in me here about free speech, being opposed to racism and using dialogue and reason over violence, control and intimidation are things that are being discarded now. And so many of my fellow New Zealanders are buying into it, from an emotional perspective and, I think, from a political perspective.

Kiwiblog, the strongest platform for open speech in New Zealand is being moderated. And I understand why, and respect our host for it, but it feels so wrong. I was taught in New Zealand to counter hate with reason and logic and calm discussion. And now people are being arrested. Access to the internet is being blocked. The government is reaching for more and more power, just like in the United States after 9/11. Something that is still felt in airports all over the world.

These are not things I associate with New Zealand. I don’t know how to cope with this. How do you guys reason through this and how do you see the changes that are happening in such a short space of time?

How much liberty will be surrendered because of this murderer?
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March 19, 2019 10:42am
- Batman
  
  DPF is doing the right thing by lightly moderating comments.
  
  As shown yesterday there are some commenters here so can’t keep between the dignified lines in a situation like this and the last thing DPF needs, or the right need, is news stories about far-right loons on KB.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:06pm
  - Pascal
    
    Batman, I don’t know you. But I believe that hiding things like that under a rock is part of what got us here. It should be something we shine a light on and reject, visibly.
    
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    March 19, 2019 6:39pm
- Harriet
  
  “……How much liberty will be surrendered because of this murderer?……”
  
  Heaps and heaps due to ignorance and political corruption:
  
  Do you think Cindy will take patches off the backs of those that do use guns illegally – gang members – or do you think she will take guns off those who won’t kill people, for anything, let alone a gang patch?
  
  Aotearoa – land of disgraceful leadership.
  
  Prime Minister Bridges, congratulations. 😎
  
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  March 19, 2019 3:48pm
  - Pascal
    
    Harriet, Jacinda will win a second term in 2020. There is no doubt anymore, because any objection to Labour/Green policy or disagreement with them will be labelled hate speech, actions of right wingers, etc. We will not get a fair hearing until they have finally destroyed the country, I think.
    
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    March 19, 2019 6:42pm
Liberty

More good news for the West coast.
The chinese are buying Westland Milk.
Even more remarkable how it slipped past
The central committee and Jones slush fund.
And it makes the local labour MP look a bit of a noddy
With “Save our Assets ” plastered over his office in his opposition years .
It also shows the hypocrisy of COL.
The Chinese are banned from buying a house in Auckland
And yet they can buy a Multi million dollar factory on the West coast.

https://ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/dairy-news/dairy-general-news/westland-milk-to-be-sold-to-chinese-dairy-giant
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March 19, 2019 10:42am
- Poppa
  
  Where is Peters blabbing on this??
  
  Oh yeah he is the govt now so all good
  
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  March 19, 2019 3:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Another NZ agricultural co-op taken over by China, but this time a small one.
  
  One of the two big meat processors, Silver Fern Farms, is 50 per cent owned by Shanghai Maling (Hong Kong).
  
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  March 19, 2019 8:03pm
secondcumming

JESUS WEPT!! THE POWWWWER…..

Even *Jacinda* wouldn’t be THIS self indulgent

https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1107544727564369920
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March 19, 2019 10:51am
- Disillusioned_Voter
  
  Plenty of replies caller her out though… 🙂
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:08pm
- starboard
  
  Aint she full of herself..here’s her blurb.
  
  “Human rights lawyer, IranianKiwi refugee, Child rights advocate, Feminist, Oxford, UN. Don’t ask me to cook.”
  
  Poor old Guy Williams…buwhahahahaha!
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:19pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Oxford’?
    Didn’t she go only for a couple of weeks after doing an online course?
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    March 19, 2019 4:30pm
- Tall Man
  
  It’s actually sickening.
  
  They are obviously concerned that ardern the liar is getting all the coverage and the “likes”.
  
  These two are nothing more than a sympton of all that is wrong with the world.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:51pm
- Nermal
  
  Best comment suggests she looked the same standing next to the Rwandan singer
  
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  March 19, 2019 2:30pm
- Komata
  
  SC@1051
  
  The body language is very revealing.
  
  Thank you.
  
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  March 19, 2019 3:37pm
lifesgood

If the recently arrived immigrants amongst the brutally murdered can be referred to as “One of us” and “This is your home” so can the recently arrived murderous thug who killed them, I’m sorry to say. We can’t have it both ways and keep justifying it as “not a New Zealander” by calling him Australian.
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March 19, 2019 10:57am
graham

Jack5 posted yesterday about a Herald reporter’s opinion piece stating that we need to start reporting anybody who may be posting “racist comments”. This reporter, Vera Alves, would have us report to the social network, or to local authorities, anybody who may be complaining about “Asian drivers” or “those curry munchers”. Her reasoning is that “normalising that kind of discourse, like we have been doing in New Zealand for years, ultimately contributes to making people like this terrorist feel like they have some kind of valid point.”

That friend who puts on a fake Indian accent? That’s what a racist looks like. Racism is a violation of human rights. Do not let that happen in your life and go unpunished.

I wonder if Ms. Alves has really thought through what she wants to start, with calls like this?

She has said that:

If you see any friend on any social network spreading hate towards other cultures, religions, nationalities or ethnicities, it’s time to stop ignoring it, dismissing them as just “that” friend who shares the crazy stuff.

Okay Vera, let’s run with this. But let’s not restrict ourselves to people who spread hate towards “other cultures, religions, nationalities or ethnicities”, let’s expand it to anybody who spreads hate to ANY OTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE. And bearing in mind your rather casual definitions of “hate” which includes anybody who complains about a particular group of people (“Asian drivers”) let’s look for people who make disparaging comments about ANY other loose grouping of people. These comments may not be “hate” speech as such, just disparaging or derogatory.

The first person to be reported has to be Julie-Anne Genter, for being discriminatory towards old white men. No, I’m not being over-the-top, Vera, and in fact you stated in your opinion piece that although reporting our friends “may sound ridiculous, over-the-top, whatever other adjective you want to give it … at the end of the day, they’re degrees of the same thing – of a “them vs us” rhetoric that needs to end here and now.” Those are YOUR words, Vera. Well, Julie-Anne Genter has indulged in a “them vs us” rhetoric, and it needs to end, here and now.

Next to be reported is the Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner Jackie Blue. She agreed with Ms Genter, and said she’s on the right track. You refer to “thinly veiled racism going on in some people’s posts, comments or likes” – well, this is not-so-thinly veiled discrimination, Vera. It needs to end, here and now.

Guy Williams obviously has to be reported, for being discriminatory towards Christians. As you say:

If you see any friend on any social network spreading hate towards other cultures, religions, nationalities or ethnicities, it’s time to stop ignoring it, dismissing them as just “that” friend who shares the crazy stuff.

Next to be reported is Phil Twyford, who as we all know is pretty damn discriminatory towards Chinese people. Oh, and this also drags in Jacinda Ardern, who refused to condemn him, instead implying that no-one found it racist. Well Vera, if it’s wrong to support your racist friends, then Jacinda is guilty, right?

And that’s not even beginning to consider all the comedians, TV presenters, actors, etc who have made their livings out of pushing boundaries. I shudder to think how Billy T James would be treated now.

If you want to start this, Vera, you really need to think it through carefully. Because once you start it, I really don’t think you have any idea where it will go. How about yourself, Vera? Are you completely innocent? Seems to me you’re discriminatory against people who simply want to enjoy having a nice lawn at home, and lest you think I’m being “ridiculous, over-the-top, whatever other adjective you want to give it … at the end of the day, (it’s) a “them vs us” rhetoric that needs to end here and now.” Again, these are YOUR words, Vera; yet here you are making outcasts of people who simply care for their home and garden.

You may wish to have a good long think about this Vera. Do you REALLY want to go down this path? Because if you do, I suggest you will be shocked at just how quickly it spirals out of control.
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March 19, 2019 11:00am
- 4077th
  
  1000 upticks for you sir!
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:03pm
- simpleton1
  
  Comedian Lenny Bruce :-
  
  Are there any niggers here tonight? Could you turn on the house lights, please, and could the waiters and waitresses just stop serving, just for a second? And turn off this spot. Now what did he say? “Are there any niggers here tonight?” I know there’s one nigger, because I see him back there working. Let’s see, there’s two niggers. And between those two niggers sits a kike. And there’s another kike— that’s two kikes and three niggers. And there’s a spic. Right? Hmm? There’s another spic. Ooh, there’s a wop; there’s a polack; and, oh, a couple of greaseballs. And there’s three lace-curtain Irish micks. And there’s one, hip, thick, hunky, funky, boogie. Boogie boogie. Mm-hmm. I got three kikes here, do I hear five kikes? I got five kikes, do I hear six spics, I got six spics, do I hear seven niggers? I got seven niggers. Sold American. I pass with seven niggers, six spics, five micks, four kikes, three guineas, and one wop. Well, I was just trying to make a point, and that is that it’s the suppression of the word that gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness. Dig: if President Kennedy would just go on television, and say, “I would like to introduce you to all the niggers in my cabinet,” and if he’d just say “nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger” to every nigger he saw, “boogie boogie boogie boogie boogie,” “nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger” ’til nigger didn’t mean anything anymore, then you could never make some six-year-old black kid cry because somebody called him a nigger at school. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lenny_Bruce
  
  Some things change to become words of endearment. “Eh, you old prick”, that is when respect also occurs.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:26pm
- Dave Mann
  
  That, graham, was one of the best comments I have read on the subject of free speech for months!
  
  Thank you!
  
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  March 19, 2019 2:41pm
- Ruahine
  
  This post is exactly why we need this blog. We must defend free speech.
  
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  March 19, 2019 3:10pm
rouppe

I see the media is labelling Tarrant as a “far right extremist” again.

Despite him identifying as communist, anarchist and fascist…
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March 19, 2019 11:05am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The narrative must be maintained above all else.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:05pm
- sooty
  
  It does not fit in with the woke lefts ideas!
  Media are part of the woke left!
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:37pm
- Batman
  
  He identified as most of the extremist positions.
  
  Sadly his final form is generally considered to be far-right. A white supremacist PoS.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:08pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Only because he is white and it seems to be the overriding default position.
    
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    March 19, 2019 11:34pm
kloyd0306

Beware the Ides of March…..

March 15 is the date the Romans set for settling debts and also the date that Julius Caesar was assassinated.

Could this have been part of the Australian crazy man’s motivation?
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March 19, 2019 11:19am
RF

I am a licensed firearms holder with weapons for hunting securely locked away in an approved gun safe.

Amongst them I possess two semi autos – 22 & 12g shotgun that could soon be illegal. Just like Aussie who go one step further and ban pump actions as well.

If Ardern recalls these weapons I am obliged to hand them in.

My question is what about the criminals who don’t give a toss about their illegal firearms they have behind the door / under the bed.

Sure as hell they will not be handing them in.

The good guys are being penalised.

There should be severe penalties for illegal possession of firearms.
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March 19, 2019 11:28am
- Batman
  
  I would put $10 on pistols and shotguns not falling within the ban. It’ll be semi-auto rifles.
  
  That’ll be the only way to get parliamentary support
  
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  March 19, 2019 11:55am
- sooty
  
  My thoughts are that they have to buy them back!
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:34pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I would rather see a new class of license for people who wish to have a semiautomatic, than a ban. Possibly stricter more rigorous, military-style training. Mandatory psychological evaluations once a year or something similar. This would be preferable to a ban with the pushing of these guns underground. Just an idea.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:11pm
- gorse
  
  Are you going to be paid for them? They are your legal property at the moment. The Government could be in trouble if they just take them without compensation. Hence the Aussie “buy back”
  
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  March 19, 2019 2:14pm
- Harriet
  
  Read what I said under pascals comment, about 10 above. I’d imagine they were all being hidden while all the hakas were being performed and all the interest is on Christchurch. They’ve got it coming, more so with lessons learnt from NSW police shutting them all down. They can’t take legal guns without taking the patches themselves, that cause nearly ALL the killings. Not in this case.
  I’m a nobody it’s just my opinion. I’ve read your comments before.
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:02pm
Ruahine

DPF is between a rock and a hardplace. WO as does the Standard as examples, both have moderation. The fact that these blogs and others exist is proof that free speech still exists in New Zealand. I believe that there is and will continue to be considerable pressure from people and organisations which will try to use these horrible events to try to get many blogs and public forums shut down. WO and KB especially provide valuable sources of information and report events which are ignored or reported with considerable bias. Free speech will come under real attack in the coming months.
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March 19, 2019 11:35am
- Jack5
  
  Agreed, and the pressure on DPF will be heavy at the moment.
  
  We just chat about free speech, he’s out there enabling it.
  
  Well done and thank you, DPF. Stay strong. ?
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:12pm
- unaha-closp
  
  The weird thing is that within a democratic setting allowing more free speech creates less terrorism. Europe produces more terrorists than the USA. Australia produces more terrorists per capita than NZ.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:38pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Now now don’t go polluting the righteous discourse with pesky facts.
    
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    March 19, 2019 10:45pm
Hugh Pavletich

Stuff: Record building activity in Auckland with 10,000 dwellings approved in 2018…
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/110876197/record-building-activity-in-auckland-with-10000-dwellings-approved-in-2018
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RIMU’s Auckland monthly housing update showed 45 per cent of new dwellings consented in December 2018 were houses, 27 per cent were apartments and 28 per cent were townhouses, flats, units or other types of attached dwellings.
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The 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Study ranked Auckland the eighth most “unaffordable” city this year after comparing data from nine developed countries.
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March 19, 2019 11:43am
rightoverlabour

I see they have canceled the Pacifica Celebration.
Why don’t we close all the schools now as well, and workplaces and public transport and ….

The terrorist has achieved his aim. Disruption to our society and terror in the eyes of the masses. The best way to defeat this is to try and continue life , we should not cower, but stand up strong to this intimidation. The only threat that now possibly exists is a retaliation, but I see that as unlikely in the short term.
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March 19, 2019 11:46am
- simpleton1
  
  https://www.aucklandnz.com/pasifika-festival
  “Given the need to prioritise police resourcing” Simply not enough police available.
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:16pm
- GoVege
  
  There’s such a thing as showing respect for those who lost their lives.
  I was amazed when some organizations carried on with their activities on the weekend.
  Mr GV was too depressed to get up for Mass…
  
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  March 19, 2019 12:27pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Shouldn’t that ban include churches then or are some things available as business as usual and not others?
    
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    March 19, 2019 4:44pm
    - GoVege
      
      Rachael, I think I can guess what the sermons would have been all about last Sunday…can you?
      That’s a lot different from fun activities…
      
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      March 19, 2019 9:38pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Parliament is going into an unscheduled 2-week adjournment after they have had 2 days of statements.
  
  Even our highest House in the land are giving the terrorist exactly what he wants.
  
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  March 19, 2019 1:16pm
Odakyu-sen

What is a “supremacist”?
– Thinking your _____ is better than any other _____?
– Prefering your ____ to any other _____?

(Please note that prefering your _____ is not the same as believing your _____ is supreme.)
Is “preference” to be equated to “a sense of supremacy”?

Don’t forget that there is a big difference between “superior” and “supreme.”
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March 19, 2019 11:51am
sooty

What is Australia going to do for New Zealand for the murder of 50 people by one of there citizens.
JacinDUH has approved for acess to a range of agencies to assist the people involed.
But what is oz going to do for the rest of us?
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March 19, 2019 12:31pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Tuariki Delamere wants the families to be given residency/citizenship?
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:46pm
Jack5

An interesting and moderate article by a young Asian-born Muslim woman who was born and raised in New Zealand is printed on the Radio NZ web site.

Interesting and mostly moderate, until you get to this view of NZ:

Our country is built on violent colonisation by white Europeans. Indeed, the accused murderer was himself an immigrant to our country, and yet our public discourse continuously questions why brown immigrants are in New Zealand trying to live and make a life for themselves.

My first-generation Kiwi friends who are white are never asked “where they are really from” like I am.

Violent colonisation? Unlike Islam’s initial spread through violent conquest, in New Zealand there was the Treaty of Waitangi. If you say that was a sham then why are we getting claims under it?

Secondly, to be asked where are you from is inevitable whenever your appearance varies from the mainstream population. When the writer of the article was growing up in NZ, the proportion of Asians here would have been much smaller.

Do white people think it’s racist or even unusual, if, as a different looking person in an Asian country, a local asks them where they’re from?

The article on the Red Radio web site:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/385061/lamia-imam-i-cannot-forgive-the-rhetoric-that-got-us-here
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March 19, 2019 1:06pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Asian-born Muslim woman who was born and raised in New Zealand”
  
  How interesting is that?
  
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  March 19, 2019 5:23pm
- Swifty
  
  Born here, spent a few years here before her parents took her back to Bangladesh (actually it’s not clear if she went with them, but she does say she subsequently ‘returned’ to NZ). Parents then emigrated to the States (not immigrated Lamia) and are still there. She meanwhile comes back here to take advantage of our educational institutions for a few years before she too buggers off to the States.
  
  And then has the gall to complain if she was born here after 2006 she would not have been automatically be granted citizenship!
  
  I’d love to know her reasons for arguing that people born here while their parents breeze through the country temporarily should automatically become citizens.
  
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  March 19, 2019 5:51pm
- Tall Man
  
  Sickening.
  
  I am often asked where I am from as in which part of NZ.
  
  Doesn’t offend me.
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:06pm
- GoVege
  
  I heard some cr*p about “violent European colonization” the other day.
  Seems to be the latest catchphrase lately to rewrite history and keep the grievance gravy train chugging on.
  When are we going to see a bit of gratitude for all the wonderful things these “evil colonizers” introduced, such as the rule of law, abolition of slavery and cannibalism?
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:45pm
Inandout

Our MPs have decided to take a week off to interact with their constituents. This would be like me taking a week off work to speak with my neighbours. We pay these pricks good money to work.
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March 19, 2019 1:31pm
RRM

I see Black Power did a masked haka outside the mosque as a mark of respect.

Tarrant had better pucker up, he’s bound to meet a few of those guys inside.
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March 19, 2019 1:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  Since when has a “war dance” become a mark of respect?
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:02pm
lifesgood

It is a tragedy that my three year old grandson had to practice “lock down” at day care yesterday. “In case the baddies come to get us”. I weep that my sweet wee grandchild has to lose his innocence over this and am angry that the teachers had to tell them about baddies. Talk about scaring young children! Surely they could have been made it into a game of some sort.
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March 19, 2019 1:56pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Or they could engage their critical faculties and just not bother worrying about such a ridiculously unlikely event – do they also have nuclear holocaust drills and asteroid strike drills and tiger escape drills too?
  
  Just like most fire drills and (outside of wellington highrise) earthquake drills which are also a colossal waste of time and money costing productivity with almost no chance of any payback. The costs of such pointless exercises should always be weighed realistically against the benefit and if the million working hours at ~$50million cost per year aren’t even saving one life then why the hell are we bothering?
  
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  March 19, 2019 3:44pm
  - V
    
    It’s called “Duck and Cover”.
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:46pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Which city was this in?
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:53pm
AndrewMW

I wasn’t impressed with Susan Devoy in her Aljazeera interview, apparently she things [racial] hatred is being “normalized” in NZ, despite the country evidently being overwhelming opposed to acts of hatred.
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March 19, 2019 2:43pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The country evidently being overwhelming opposed to acts of hatred would surely mean less need for the office of Susan Devoy.
  
  If race hatred is being “normalized” in NZ, then by all means, increase Devoy’s budget and employ more staff to assist her.
  
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  March 19, 2019 3:01pm
- Dave Mann
  
  And despite the fact that this atrocity was committed by a foreign nutcase who has openly stated that he’s been looking around for somewhere in the world to do this.
  
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  March 19, 2019 3:28pm
- DigNap15
  
  Shows how stupid she is.
  What about religious hatred?
  
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  March 19, 2019 7:37pm
rangitoto

Devin Nunes suing Twiiter for US$250 million.

Fox News state:

California GOP Rep. Devin Nunes filed a major lawsuit seeking $250 million in compensatory damages and $350,000 in punitive damages against Twitter and a handful of its users on Monday, accusing the social media site of “shadow-banning conservatives” including himself to influence the 2018 elections, systematically censoring opposing viewpoints and totally “ignoring” lawful complaints of repeated abusive behavior.
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March 19, 2019 2:58pm
Dave Mann

Seems like some of our old friends (including, but not limited to kowtow, slightlyrighty. Keeping Stock, Longknives, David Garrett, Maggy Wassilieff and hullkiwi – to name just a few) have been moderated off thread. Or maybe they’ve simply decided to give up?

Maybe they’re all busy in their garages converting their AR15s into fully auto machine guns? The mind boggles……Surely they can’t all be rabid alt-right white supremacists who are plotting the violent overthrow of the kiwi way of life?
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March 19, 2019 3:02pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  And you can consider yourself reported.
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:19pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    I was being sarcastic… chill out 😀
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:34pm
- graham
  
  Keeping Stock said he would be taking the week off and tranquil also indicated that she/he would be taking a couple of days off.
  
  I think many people have been so shaken by Friday’s events that they need to take some time out to reflect. I am limiting my time on Kiwiblog, and Facebook, for that very reason – I need to reflect on what has happened and the issues it has thrown up in my own life – I can understand people taking a complete break for a few days.
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Did you feel the same when Boko Haram abducted 110 young school girls?
    
    Did you feel the same when the two Sedish backpackers were beheaded last year in Morocco?
    
    Did you feel the same when 4 Iraqi police were murdered in bombings in January this year?
    
    Why does a death or multiple deaths matter more when they are in your country.
    
    Last year alone ISIS killed over two thousand people, mainly muslim, through the world. Where was the outrage then?
    
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    March 19, 2019 5:51pm
    - GoVege
      
      Because it’s close to home, TM.
      And because there have been no terrorist attacks by Muslims in our own country.
      
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      March 19, 2019 9:48pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  So you consider them possible terrorists?
  Repugnant.
  Put the cuckoo back in the clock
  
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  March 19, 2019 5:52pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    AI was being sarcastic…. chill out 😀
    
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    March 19, 2019 9:29pm
Nostradamus

From Australia: Michael Daley apologises over comments about foreigners taking jobs ahead of NSW election

NSW Opposition Leader Michael Daley has apologised after a video emerged of him telling a Labor function Sydney jobs were being taken by foreigners “from typically Asia”.

In the video, recorded during an ALP function in the Blue Mountains in September, Mr Daley told the audience young people were “fleeing” Sydney.
“Our young children will flee, and who are they being replaced with? They’re being replaced by young people, from typically Asia, with PhDs,” he said. “So there’s transformation happening in Sydney now where our kids are moving out and foreigners are moving in and taking their jobs.”

It’s interesting that the ALP function was held in September, but this story has come to light just 4 days before the state election.

And, when called on it, he plays the “taken out of context” card:

Last night Mr Daley issued a statement saying he was commenting on housing affordability and the high cost of living. “In making these points I could have expressed myself better — I meant no offence — I hope none has been taken,” he said.

From what I understand, the polls are pointing towards a hung parliament, with the ALP having its nose in front – but it’s so finely-balalanced that Daley wouldn’t have wanted this story to come out now.
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March 19, 2019 3:15pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  PC gone madder
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:16pm
slightlyrighty

There is a suggestion from Justin Lester that people should not be allowed to post anonymously on websites under a nom de plume and that in order to post, one must apply to do so with photo ID.

Seriously, what planet is this guy on? There is a reason why we have a secret ballot at election time. It is chilling that a left wing politician wants to effectively have a database of people listed according to political views.

This needs to be explained to him.
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March 19, 2019 3:31pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Slightlyrighty:
  
  There is a suggestion from Justin Lester that people should not be allowed to post anonymously on websites under a nom de plume and that in order to post, one must apply to do so with photo ID.
  
  Wow – I’m curious to read more – do you have a link?
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:43pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Told you.
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:49pm
Harriet

One day it’s Cardinal George Pell and the very next day……..

I don’t know what he’d be making of it by being out of the news so quickly, and by such tragedy.
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March 19, 2019 3:38pm
Komata

AndewMW

And does dame Susan have a Somali, Pacifica, Afghani and Maori family living with her to ‘Prove’ SHE isn’t racist (which seems to be the tenor of her statement?

She DOESN’T???

Why am I NOT surprised?

Still virtue signalling to whomever will listen.

All hat and no trousers….
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March 19, 2019 3:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  Sizzle and no sausage?
  
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  March 19, 2019 5:45pm
WaveyDavey

Here we go, the censorship and criminalising after the event has begun…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214017

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12214083

” Chief Censor David Shanks has officially classified the full 17-minute video of the fatal Christchurch shootings which occurred on Friday 15 March, as “objectionable” – meaning it is banned.

That raises the prospect of a fine of up to $10,000 or up to 14 years’ jail for anyone who shares the clip…”

” Earlier, Deputy Chief Censor Jared Mullen outlined the penalties for sharing banned material.

“If you didn’t know the material was objectionable and you were found in possession of it, a maximum fine of $10,000 could apply,” ”

So let’s get this straight. If on Friday you shared this clip it wasn’t an illegal act but as of today, the act that you did legally 3 days ago has been declared to be illegal even though it wasn’t at the time.

This is outrageous, whether the video should or should not be banned is not the point, the principle that you can be criminalised retrospectively is not something that we should accept.
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March 19, 2019 4:20pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I just called my partner and showd him your post, he said something abvout “beware the ideas of march”
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:46pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Very good
    
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    March 19, 2019 5:56pm
  - Inandout
    
    Maggie, you keep such humourous company. I was watching Stephen Merchant on Oxford Debates last night, and this 6’7″ chap is very funny. Ricky Gervais was on a previous one and he explained what he says about situations comes from a ‘couldn’t give a fuck’ angle. He does not set out to hurt individuals though. The fact that ‘The Office’ and ‘Extras’ would not pass the censor now says a lot of how miserable we have become.
    
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    March 19, 2019 6:00pm
- JibberJabber
  
  It would be nice if the authorities could get a grip, this hysteria isn`t helping anyone.
  FFS, rape a little old lady in a rest home and the prick gets 10 months Home Detention, up to 14 years for sharing a video clip, calm the fuck down.
  Didn`t much have confidence the judiciary or the cops before, getting close to zero now.
  
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  March 19, 2019 4:58pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    In other stupidity, NZ copper thinks that a US citizen is just going to hand over confidential user data.
    
    And then, said officer gets huffy when his email address is put out there.
    
    Words are beginning to fail me…
    
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    March 19, 2019 5:28pm
- Tall Man
  
  Where was the outrage at the videos of the numerous beheadings. What about the videos of the US forces engaging targets with snipers and Apache helicopters.
  
  What about the news videos of the explosions of the bombs.
  
  What about the desperate search for private videos of car accidents and disasters by the media?
  
  These are all traumatic but do they not count if there are filmed overseas?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
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  March 19, 2019 5:43pm
rangitoto

Bercow blocks May from holding another vote on her Brexit deal unless there are substantial changes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6824249/Constitutional-crisis-smirking-Bercow-scuppers-PMs-hopes-meaningful-vote.html

In a dramatic intervention, the Commons Speaker ruled that the EU withdrawal agreement could not be put to a vote again without substantial changes.

He gave Downing Street no notice of his announcement, which came just 24 hours before the Prime Minister was expected to ask the Commons to decide on the issue for a third time following two crushing defeats.

As well as sparking a constitutional crisis, Mr Bercow’s move all but killed any prospect of a vote before Mrs May heads to an EU summit on Thursday.

The clock is ticking.
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March 19, 2019 4:31pm
- Ross12
  
  rangitoto
  I think Bercow did the only logical thing he could, to try to salvage his own reputation — he has made an ass of himself recently.
  With this move he has effectively thrown May “under the bus”. She has in recent days with her message threatening MPs that if they did not vote for her plan the UK possibly would never leave was treating the MPs and UK voters with contempt.
  She seems to have forgotten the Withdrawal Act that the UK Parliament passed lats year.
  “The opening words of the Withdrawal Act passed in June 2018 state that the European Communities Act 1972 is repealed on exit day, March 29 2019. Every EU law and treaty, including the customs union and the single market, then ceases to apply to the UK.”
  
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  March 19, 2019 5:48pm
Surely Knott

Newshub report grossly misleading. I’m not a Trump supporter but…Newshub article says “Kelly Anne Conway says to read shooter’s manifesto against expert advise.” They said she did it to “to defend US President Donald Trump after claims he was responsible for the rise of Islamophobia that contributed to the massacre.” She said in the original fox statement that Donald Trump’s name only appears once and then went on to name the various other political organisations, countries, and ideologies, that the shooter ascribed to , to give perspective about the huge number of varying statements. The shooter is evil. It’s not fair for the media to advise the public against reading the manifesto and then paint such a biased picture targeting individual political figures. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/03/white-house-advisor-kellyanne-conway-tells-people-to-read-alleged-shooter-s-manifesto-against-expert-advice.html
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March 19, 2019 4:34pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Yeah, for God’s sake don’t dream of informing yourself. Wait for the high priests of the NZ media and officialdom to tell you what to believe.
  
  This fucking country…
  
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  March 19, 2019 5:30pm
Southern Raider

Just seeen on twitter this site is apparently home to white supremacists and considering oneself a conservative is just a cover

I think DPF is being unfairly targeted and that the radical left are using this tragedy to close down everything to the right of The Standard
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March 19, 2019 4:51pm
- mandk
  
  What the radical left are doing is entirely predictable and must be resisted.
  
  Conservative opinions will be denounced as hate speech.
  
  Christian beliefs will be attacked.
  
  Islam will be presented as the religion of love and peace.
  
  And all this will happen in order to advance the cause of the real haters and wreckers.
  
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  March 19, 2019 6:04pm
Tall Man

Last year two Scandanavian women were beheaded with the video being sent to one girl’s parents and also being posted online.

I do not recall any world wide demand that the video be removed nor any threats from New Zealand or Sweden against the platforms showing this video.

Can someone explain the reasons for the difference in attitude.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/109558306/murder-video-of-two-female-scandinavian-tourists-in-morocco-likely-authentic
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March 19, 2019 5:34pm
Niz

I’ve just read that our TV stations have been pulling any shows that might be deemed offensive, or they think might be inappropriate. I’m not sure what criteria they applied, but some of the replacements are comedies. Is it really inoffensive to show romantic comedies during a time of grieving? They weren’t too concerned on the day of the shooting were they? It was wall to wall coverage of what that maniac had inflicted on the people. _That_ was pretty distressing, but there was no avoiding it if you had the telly on. Even now, I’m watching people running around with rifles on the news.
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March 19, 2019 6:12pm
- V
  
  Their own hypocrisy is what makes the public lose even more faith in journalism as an institution.
  
  They long ago stopped publishing news in an impartial way. The problem now is in a world where ~2 billion opinions are frequently accessible, why would I particularly want to elevate or care what John Campbell, Duncan Garner, Tracey Watkins or Alison Mau think, particularly as they make more money exploiting a tragedy such as this.
  
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  March 19, 2019 10:42pm
Rachael Membery

Notes on Islamic customs including about men and women touching. It is about etiquette for the funerals.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214298
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March 19, 2019 7:31pm
Johnboy

He dosen’t look very well in my opinion.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111403263/winston-peters-to-set-record-straight-nzers-not-involved-in-christchurch-attack
I’ve seen folk turn that grey colour….none of them lasted much longer. 🙂
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March 19, 2019 7:35pm
- Sir Leslie Bottocks
  
  don’t know if that’s such a good idea. Peters has a history of fear mongering over Islam. And just what is he planning to say -it wan’t us it was those ockers what did it, seek your revenge against them not us?
  
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  March 19, 2019 9:03pm
Johnboy

Oh look:
The lovely Michelle Duff is attempting a character assassination on David Tipple.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111376049/gun-citys-david-tipple-firearms-arent-the-villain
Somehow I don’t think she is quite up to the task. 🙂
Still he is obviously a major crim what with that car chase scoop! 🙂
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March 19, 2019 7:44pm
V

Can someone please tell me why changing the name of rugby team seems to now be a talking point not even 72 hours post Friday?
What it has to do with anything is beyond me.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111411972/crusaders-say-grieving-for-christchurch-shooting-victims-more-important-than-a-name-change-decision
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March 19, 2019 9:40pm
Rachael Membery

Is this article enabling? I think it is great that someone so blatantly thumbing their nose at the populace should be pulled down, but the details about their symbols and numbers, a code of sorts is surely going to encourage others? But people still wear swastikas (gangs for example) are they next or different?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111410111/nazithemed-company-owner-charged-with-possessing-objectionable-material
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March 19, 2019 10:14pm
V

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111411852/nz-refuse-entry-to-australian-muslim-leader-sheikh-shady-after-mosque-attack

I take it Grant Robertson won’t be meeting this guy?
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March 19, 2019 10:34pm
Jack5

Wow! An Australian Muslim leader, the homosexuality-hating Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman, was refused entry to New Zealand in the last few days – until the Australian Government intervened. He’ll now arrive today.

Sheikh Shady was scheduled to fly to Christchurch yesterday to help with funerals of the mosques massacre victims.

Shady was one of the Muslim preachers banned from visiting Denmark last April. Immigration New Zealand has confirmed Shady was refused entry due to the Danish ban.

Sydney Morning Herald report:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australian-muslim-leader-sheikh-shady-refused-entry-to-new-zealand-following-mosque-massacre-20190319-p515g9.html
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March 19, 2019 10:39pm
- projectman
  
  There is definitely something shady about him.
  
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