General Debate 17 March 2019

Email
Facebook
Twitter
Comment412

Uncategorized
General Debate

Comments (412)

Login to comment or vote

KiWombat

The last time Winston had to give a urine sample it had an olive in it !
32 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:02am
- Nibbles
  
  And one of those little swizzle sticks?
  
  13 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:05am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The little umbrella left over from the clap clinic was a bit of a suprise though
    
    11 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:08am
    - Nibbles
      
      You’ve reminded me of an old Rodney Rude song: “WINSTON FUCKING PETERS!!?? What the fuck are YOU doing at the VD clinic??!!”
      
      Pardon my French paraphrasing.
      
      8 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:16am
James Stephenson

Our fundamental human rights do include the right to self-defence.
30 8
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:03am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Indeed. But let’s think carefully and sensibly about the likely effectiveness and potential downsides of the various approaches we might take, and the impacts they might have on other values and rights, before we leap into action.
  
  19 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:07am
  - Pascal
    
    Agreed with this. It’s not as simple as “ban guns” and it’s not as simple as “don’t ban guns”.
    
    25 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:16am
- tas
  
  There’s a big difference between the right to self-defence and the right to own semi-automatic assault rifles.
  
  16 19
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:11am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Assault rifles by the nature of their purpose are full automatics. Not much good if they aren’t,
    No such thing as a semi auto Assault rifle.
    
    23 5
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:37am
    - Swifty
      
      Correct.
      
      16 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:44am
      - All_on_Red
        
        posted in the wrong place
        
        0 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:06am
    - tas
      
      You really got me there! I guess my whole point is invalidated by my use of redundant terminology.
      
      4 4
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:58am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your whole point is stupid.
        The right to self defence is the right to self defence.
        The choice of weapon to defend yourself is irrelevant., whether it’s an axe or a legally owned semi auto
        You’re just using the term ‘Assault Weapon’ to give an emotive appearance of a Military Weapon, when an AR15 is not.
        
        10 9
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:17am
      - tas
        
        Sure, if you happen to have an AR-15, by all means use it for self-defence. The fact that it might under some circumstances be useful to have an AR-15 for self-defence, does not mean you should have the right to have one for that purpose.
        
        A portable anti-aircraft heat-seeking missile might be useful for self-defence under some circumstances. Do you think these should be readily available? If not, why not?
        
        7 11
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:24am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Now you’re being silly
        So the Magazines he used were illegal.
        How did that work out?
        Do you think that closer scrutiny of the owners might be more effective?
        
        6 6
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:29am
      - tas
        
        All_on_Red: Answer my questions. Don’t just change the subject.
        
        5 8
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:51am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You are the one who changed the subject but no matter.
        A missile would be hard to fit in the gun safe in the cupboard. I could mount in the middle of the pool I guess but I’m not sure my neighbours at Cheltenham would be comfortable with that.
        Although I note some Nations have Nuclear Missiles for self defence.
        I could keep one in the garden shed along with the Round Up.
        That would then be a really deadly shed.
        //
        If I lived in the country I would be armed. I’ve had experience in HB of Mongrel Mob members trying to come onto my property. At the time I owned a shotgun, a .22 over a .410 and a semi auto .22 Ruger (just like a AR15 but looks different- lol)
        My girlfriend at the time worked for Maori Affairs and they recognised her and left.
        
        Now you answer my questions.
        
        7 5
        Report
        March 17, 2019 10:57am
      - Jack5
        
        Tas, do you think Sikhs should be allowed to carry their ceremonial dagger, the kirpan?
        
        In Toronto, they’re allowed to take them even into courthouses (link below). In India, they’re even allowed to carry them on airliners.
        
        Tas, I’m guessing you would support allowing Muslim women to wear niquab and burqa, yet these conflict with security requirements of the West (facial identity), and undoubtedly at times have helped disguise Muslim terrorists.
        
        Tas, if you favour security concessions for Muslims, perhaps you should concede some concessions for Western firearms sports.
        
        https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2012/05/16/kirpan_sikh_ceremonial_dagger_now_allowed_in_toronto_courthouses.html
        
        5 2
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:55am
      - tas
        
        All_on_Red: what the hell kind of answer is that? And what is your question?
        
        Jack5: what does that have to do with the topic of conversation?
        
        5 3
        Report
        March 17, 2019 12:25pm
      - Jack5
        
        FFS, Tas, stop the troll-style, ad hominem stuff.
        
        You don’t need to heckle like an angry Lefty at a National political meeting.
        
        4 2
        Report
        March 17, 2019 12:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sheesh Tas, I’m starting to think you’re a bit dim
        Look up the thread
        
        ‘So the Magazines he used were illegal.
        How did that work out?
        Do you think that closer scrutiny of the gun owners might be more effective?’
        
        3 2
        Report
        March 17, 2019 12:47pm
    - slightlyrighty
      
      If you live a life such that you need an assault rifle to defend yourself against perceived enemies, then either your not living in New Zealand, or you have made some messed up life choices.
      
      18 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:00am
    - Nibbles
      
      Sorry All_on_Red, accidental red tick.
      
      2 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:17am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Not if it is the start of a slippery slope.
    
    3 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:32am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Cindy is dreaming if she thinks she can pass gun laws that prevent what happened on Friday. Even if all guns were banned with the death penalty if caught in possession of a gun any gun there would still be guns in the hands of the mad bad and insane of our society.
    
    I would dearly love to see an effective gun law to stop the mad bad and insane getting hold of them but it wont happen.
    
    14 4
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:35am
    - calendar girl
      
      PM Ardern is also ‘playing the crowd’ in promising that NZ’s gun laws will be changed. I hope that they are – at least to provide safer ownership and possession conditions in respect of semi-automatic weapons and military assault weapons.
      
      But to achieve such outcomes it’s not for our PM to legislate unilaterally, or at her personal whim. It is for Parliament to pass legislation in this country, by a voting majority, not the PM directing proceedings and issuing sound-bite decrees.
      
      At times I doubt that she understands anything much about the New Zealand constitutional model. The present situation post the Christchurch bloodbath cries out for calm, assured leadership that firstly reassures the population of a Government state of high law-enforcement alertness. At the same time the PM should be seeking to work closely with the Opposition to produce high-level legislation that will improve protection of all NZ residents, while preserving personal and lawful freedoms to the maximum degree feasible.
      
      This is not a time for rushing about and making bold, off-the-cuff political PR statements. It’s a time for politics to take a back seat while our Government and Opposition devote their time to establishing a collaborative framework to contain and suppress the terrorism that has now reached our shores. Let the politicians take the necessary time to work through these new realities for our relatively isolated country, and let us hope that we experience leadership on both sides of the House that will enable New Zealand to prevent a repeat of the recent catastrophe in Christchurch.
      
      8 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 5:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You need to let this go.
    
    There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of semis in NZ of various calibres.
    
    One, I’ll say it again, one has been used in a crime.
    
    Take a pill, lie down then imagine how many thousands of owners are lawful owners.
    
    0 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:55pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A gun is a very effective tool for self-defence, and we should all have the right to self defence. However, which scenario is better?
  
  NZ scenario
  No guns for self defence. Fortunately, the chances of you being in such a firearms situation is very low. Very low likelihood that your attacker will be armed with a gun. (He will likely be otherwise armed and will not hesitate to use violence.) Fundamental ideology is that the State will protect you.
  
  US scenario
  Guns for self defence. Very high likelihood that your attacker will be armed. Additional risk of stupid people letting their kids access their guns.
  Fundamental ideology is that you have to protect yourself.
  
  Japanese scenario
  Same as NZ scenario except that communities are close-knit. People don’t move address for decades. Always someone walking on the sidewalk 24-7. Elderly people constantly watching the neighbors. Anything out of the ordinary gets talked about, and passed up the neighborhood chain of command if necessary. Your business is the neighborhood’s business. (Stifling if you are a ‘non-conformist’)
  
  28 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:32am
  - G152
    
    If there is going to be no more semi automatic weapons in NZ it means police and military have to surrender theirs.
    Can any-one see that happening ?
    
    7 15
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:39am
    - tas
      
      No one is proposing to restrict access to guns for police and military.
      
      12 5
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:57am
      - G152
        
        Listen to the statements from the Police 10 frontsman.
        
        7 1
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:20am
      - tas
        
        G152, you are living in a fantasy land if you really believe the police will have their guns taken away.
        
        3 3
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:26am
      - Jack5
        
        Tarrant is a black swan in the NZ firearms scene, in the way that the anti-Springboks tour protester who threatened to crash a plane into a crowded sports ground was a black swan in NZ aviation. I don’t remember any calls to tighten controls on amateur pilots after that.
        
        The police for years have sought tighter firearms law in New Zealand. It’s not irrelevant that some, including the present police commander, would also restrict our free-speech rights.
        
        The reformers’ targets are law-abiding New Zealanders. Gangs and criminals don’t bother with firearms licences and the legal regime.
        
        Some, perhaps many, police seem prejudiced against law-abiding gun owners. I’m thinking of the North Auckland farmer hounded almost in the spirit of Inspector Javert in Hugo’s Les Miserables. The farmer had fired a shotgun at people stealing his petrol.
        
        I’m thinking also of the Auckland gun shop owner who defended himself from an axe wielding would-be robber.
        
        Yet reputable, gun-owning citizens have always been the core public defence of police who have used firearms. I bet this also applies within juries.
        
        Some in our police aren’t skilled with firearms, but shooting, especially of pistols, is difficult under stress. Examples: a panic shot through an upstairs window in Christchurch a few weeks ago; a bystander shot by police in an Auckland incident; and an absolute hail of bullets to kill a couple of aggressive dogs.
        
        Understanding of and sympathy for the difficulties of firing pistols in such cases comes from law-abiding gun users.
        
        The more stupid liberals are the ignorant idiots who demand after each death in a police confrontation: “Why didn’t they just shoot him in the legs?”
        
        10 2
        Report
        March 17, 2019 12:25pm
    - Lance
      
      Idiot
      
      3 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 11:41am
    - Tall Man
      
      You’re being silly.
      
      The majority of police firearms are not semis, with the exception of the pistols.
      
      0 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:57pm
  - Viking2
    
    You can also add No Muslims allowed in Japan. Sensible people.
    
    [DPF: Strike 1 and have a break]
    
    15 5
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:17am
    - sam green
      
      Stop it!
      
      2 21
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:37am
      - starboard
        
        Grow up green sam. People are allowed an opinion. Go away if you don’t like it.
        
        14 1
        Report
        March 17, 2019 10:12am
      - Tall Man
        
        Maybe just…go away….
        
        0 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 8:58pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Viking2,
      Don’t be silly.
      Here is a video clip of the Tokyo Camii Mosque.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0-1T1BEfAg
      
      3 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 7:47pm
- Monique Watson
  
  This is a shame Christchurch got politicised so quickly. First it’s guns and now it’s anti-Trumpism. And we know where that originated from. Laws can’t be passed quickly. Without understanding where the terror originated from; the risk is future terror not being anticipated. At the end of the day the horror has originated from twisted minds.
  The focus should be in neutralizing future threats. It’s taken me this long to process the events. It’s so ghastly as an expat. I can only say I mix daily with people of every different color and faith. And the coverage has been compassionate and respectful. As the local Kiwi everyone’s sympathies have been extended. New Zealand is beloved of all.
  
  24 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:20am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Last night CNN was blaming Trump for Friday.
    
    Some dumbarse female reporter said it was because Trump has encouraged the far right to take action against Muslims.
    
    These people are truly deranged.
    
    25 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:39am
    - Harkman
      
      Yes I was watching a different CNN show and the same thing. The anchor had the most pathetic lead up questions to some far left sociologist from some “anti-hate” group, who I bet has members that do nothing but hate non socialists. The sociologist blamed Trump for the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting despite members of Trump’s family being Jewish and the killer despising Trump’s support for Israel.
      
      15 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 12:00pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      One of our own reporters said that JA said that DJT should treat Muslims in the USA better (paraphrase), DURING the phone call he made to her.
      So it would appear our PM was the first to politicize this, in the world. Well she always wanted to be first, at something.
      
      12 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 12:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well, ardern the liar is the “first” pm to be annointed by the most corrupt politician NZ has had the joy to elect…
        
        She is also the first pm to be identified as an habitual liar.
        
        She is the first pm to be connected to a convicted drug dealer.
        
        She is the first pm to have open communication lines with convicted criminals.
        
        She is the first pm to use a 757 to be a baby sitter….
        
        She is the first pm to allow cabinet ministers to lie without censure?
        
        Holysheet has the rest….
        
        2 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:06pm
Keeping Stock

My wife’s cousin is a police officer based in Christchurch. He spent yesterday on body recovery duty at the mosque on Deans Avenue.

Spare a thought this morning, not only for those who are grieving as they receive confirmation that their loved ones are dead, but also for those who are having to clean up the mess left by the terrorist.
79 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:03am
- NK
  
  That was my dad’s role after the Erebus disaster in the Auckland mortuary. They had to play jigsaw with body parts.
  
  33 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:06am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Yes, I was in Auckland at the time, and worked with a young lass whose police officer hubby was doing the same thing. At least these guys, unlike the Erebus or Christchurch earthquake teams are recovering intact bodies. But for a young father as my wife’s cousin is, recovering the bodies of young children will be deeply traumatic.
    
    43 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:14am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      No parent ever wants to bury their child, got to be life’s worst experience
      
      15 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:11am
      - kiwiracer
        
        It is.
        
        11 1
        Report
        March 17, 2019 10:17am
- Swifty
  
  My maternal grandfather ran the ambulance pool at Wellington Hospital and Tangiwai occurred on his watch – he was never quite the same, they reckon.
  
  25 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:12am
- RF
  
  Keeping Stock.
  
  As you can imagine the crime scenes at both Mosques were absolutely horrific.
  
  Death toll now 50 and could increase.
  
  I fear that there will be an eye for an eye as a result of Fridays massacre.
  
  11 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:07am
NK

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Our government should do two things tomorrow.

Deport Brendan Tarrant.

Import the outstanding, brave teenager who egged Fraser Anning.

That seems to be a fair swap.
6 49
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:05am
- Albert_Ross
  
  (Wearily) no, no, no. Have we still not established that while it’s OK to disagree with somebody, it’s not OK to do them violence?
  
  52 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:10am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I don’t condone violence, however if I was ever to make an exception, yesterday would have been it.
    
    Still, we think MMP is bad; can you imagine the system that allows a person with just 19 first preference votes to get elected?
    
    24 6
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:16am
    - tas
      
      How many first preference votes does a list MP who didn’t stand in an electorate get?
      
      25 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:21am
    - Nookin
      
      Can’t agreeing on the egging. Whatever way you look at it, this was an act of violence motivated by malice. Sure, it was at the lower end of the scale but where do you draw the line?
      It comes down to the fact that this person was so enraged by Anning’s comments that he saw fit to mete out a punishment when it was not his place to do so. Either that or he did not have the intellect to express his disagreement any other way. Do we cater for the lowest denominator?
      We have enough of a problem with violence in this country without applauding a bit of biff if it happens to appeal to to some base instincts. The fact that those base instincts are there at all is worrying.
      
      25 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:52am
    - Colville
      
      .
      
      0 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:44am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      814,000 people have signed to change.org petition to have Fraser Anning removed.
      He’s entitled to his opinion, but it appears a few folk think he’s a dick not fit for purpose.
      
      0 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 4:26pm
  - NK
    
    Did you see Anning’s response? He punched him, and his skinhead supporters choked the guy and held him in a headlock and kept kneeing him and elbowing him. Anning did nothing to stop that.
    
    An egg is egg. John Boscawen had a lamington splashed on his during a public meeting once by a Green Party supporter. Stephen Joyce was splayed by a dildo. It’s life for politicians.
    
    11 26
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:17am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      It shouldn’t be – its assault, and it sullies who we are as a society. By all means disagree, and even vehemently so, but assault, even if its an egg, dildo, no matter what, its not acceptable.
      
      So if I disagree with what you say its OK if I assault you?
      
      46 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:23am
      - NK
        
        I like what Keeping Stock said above. It’s never acceptable, but if there were to be exceptions, egging Fraser Anning would be the threshold.
        
        7 28
        Report
        March 17, 2019 8:27am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        Just no as my teenager says when I piss her off by dabbing in public 🙂
        
        We dont get to decide if its OK or not, based on someones words, to assault people, thats not “us” or who we are. Admittedly, this muppet, the Australian senator isnt our problem, but he highlights freedom of speech issues, and whilst I disagree with him, he has a right to express himself as long as he isnt inciting violence, which I dont believe he was.
        
        We run the very real risk that the left will use events like we have been through this last week to further shut down speech, which they are so very good at. We need more freedom of thought and speech, not less, and being intimidated by the threat of violence shuts that down.
        
        29 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 8:32am
    - waikatosinger
      
      The phrase “splayed by a dildo” suggests a rather more intense dildo related experience than simply having one chucked at you, I would have thought.
      
      5 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:16am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Splayed?
      
      4 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:52am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    It’s always OK when the left use violence for political purposes. Its only bad when James Shaw got attacked.
    
    It’s the new moralidy – some pigs are more equal than others, please keep up Albert
    
    54 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:29am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      If you think I am saying that some pigs really are more equal than others then I have made a truly terrible job of explaining myself.
      
      The Left has indeed revealed hypocrisy in its contrasting reactions to the assaults on Shaw and Joyce, and it has revealed inconsistency and incoherence in its contrasting responses to atrocities by Islamist nutcases and white supremacist nutcases.
      
      And so have some on Kiwiblog. My recent purpose has been to appeal for recognition of, and reflection on, that. It’s not different when the Right does it. Our pigs aren’t any more equal than their pigs.
      
      16 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:19am
      - septic skeptic
        
        This right/left descriptor is a gross oversimplification and generalisation of people who have diverse views on many subjects. It gets to the point where it’s like trying to describe the difference between pink and turquoise, using the greyscale.
        
        9 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:49am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Septic is quite right – In order to be consistent with my own self-ordained moral high horse, I should have said “some on the Left …”
        
        6 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:51am
- Pascal
  
  No. Go re-read the James Shaw Assault thread and discussion there for the reasons why.
  
  6 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:39am
- David Garrett
  
  I can’t believe you are writing that nonsense Nick…you know very well our system doesn’t allow for him to just be deported…and that the Australians have no jurisdiction over murders committed here.
  
  As for the “brave teenager” are you condoning assault now…so long as the victim is not a nice person? Really?
  
  And just for the record: I am as appalled as everyone else by Friday’s events.
  
  16 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:13am
  - NK
    
    Written in jest, David. But if it’s good enough for Australia to go on a deport “rampage” against Kiwis, as it has done recently, it’s surely good enough for us, eventually.
    
    6 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:17am
    - septic skeptic
      
      I certainly agree that if he has any time left on this earth after his sentence finishes, he should be deported to OZ.
      
      7 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:07am
      - David Garrett
        
        Septic: Oh he’ll be deported on release alright…that’s if he doesn’t get LWOP, and if HE doesn’t get it, then that sentence will never be applied…
        
        And NO, LWOP is not just an American idea…the Brits have had the equivalent – there called “whole of life tarriff” – since 1983. More than 100 people have received the sentence in that time.
        
        8 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:18am
      - sooty
        
        I think that most of the kiwis deported from oz have been in in prison first!
        
        4 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:20am
Huevon

When the terrorist is a Muslim, he is mentally unstable, a lone wolf and whatever he says about his motives are immediately disregarded. No changes to gun control laws.

When the terrorist is a white male, his political motives are treated as sincere. There is no discussion of his mental health. Immediately governments act to restrict freedom of speech (NZ is virtually in a state of censorship right now) and to take away our liberty (gun rights).

?
75 8
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:06am
- NK
  
  RE gun control: Have you missed the events in London and France where they used knives and cars?
  
  Did you notice on September 11 the Saudis used planes.
  
  21 8
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:09am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    So we need Muslim control then? Is that what you are saying?
    
    21 3
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:15am
    - NK
      
      Do I agree with Fraser Anning?
      
      You obviously haven’t been paying attention to my comments here over the years.
      
      6 9
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:19am
      - thedavincimode
        
        There might be a reason for that.
        
        19 4
        Report
        March 17, 2019 8:36am
  - tas
    
    I can’t believe you are bringing up the knife and car attacks in europe to oppose gun control. Is it opposite day?
    
    Knife and car attacks are, on average, less deadly than shootings. The fact that some terrorists can’t get their hands on guns in those countries is proof positive that gun control works.
    
    5 23
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:16am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Knife and car attacks are, on average, less deadly than shootings.
      
      I imagine the families of those killed in knife and car attacks might have a different view on that. Their family members are just as dead.
      
      31 4
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:18am
      - tas
        
        That’s not what I meant and you know it.
        
        6 18
        Report
        March 17, 2019 8:19am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Then choose your words better. You could have said something like “There are generally fewer victims when it is a knife or car attack”.
        
        I stand by my point; whatever the means of killing, no victim is any less, and finally, dead than any other.
        
        3 1
        Report
        March 17, 2019 4:34pm
    - NK
      
      I can’t believe someone used an analogy like they did to refer to gun control laws. The better ones would be the psychos who go on rampages in the USA, that bastion of free speech and democratic “rights”.
      
      2 14
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:22am
    - Simon
      
      “The fact that terrorists can’t get their hands on guns in those countries is proof positive that gun control works.”
      
      What a lot of bollocks.
      
      An “arms race” between criminal groups in Europe risks making it easier for terrorists to obtain high-powered, military grade firearms, a report has warned.
      
      The survey says long-standing barriers to obtaining firearms have broken down in recent years owing to the emergence of the internet, cross-border smuggling of military-grade assault rifles into the EU, the conversion of large numbers of blank-firing guns and the widespread reactivation of weapons previously rendered unusable to be sold to collectors.
      
      “The increased availability of firearms has contributed to arms races between criminal groups across the EU,” the report, funded by the European commission, said.
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/18/arms-race-criminal-gangs-helping-terrorists-get-weapons-report-warns
      
      16 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:26am
      - tas
        
        Again: Yes, as you point out, gun control isn’t 100% effective. That does not mean it doesn’t work.
        
        4 11
        Report
        March 17, 2019 8:36am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Grenades in Sweden too
        And home made Bombs here in this example
        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47018747
        
        It’s the people who are the problem. Tighten up scrutiny of who can own what.
        I think there’s plenty of examples here which show that a nutter is going to do what they want to do regardless of how illegal and restricted the weapons are.
        
        13 3
        Report
        March 17, 2019 8:45am
      - Viking2
        
        Gun fans have been rushing in to buy new weapons, fearing a crackdown, Newsroom reports.
        
        The Christchurch Gun City outlet was reportedly busy just a day after the massacre, and an Auckland shop owner said they’ve had a significant increase in sales.
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/christchurch-terror-attacks-sunday-live-updates.html?fbclid=IwAR1ksRk5YJQF5ZjEJhq-nI65rzm4tpWTn3aP8fH5_1I6zwLF2zIh
        
        5 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:27am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      84 killed by a truck attack in Nice. A car bomb in the carpark of that mosque could have killed a hundred in a single second.
      
      12 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:09am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      or do they in the case of the knife want to be up close and personal or in the case of vehicle that they are insulated? Not that they can not access guns.
      
      0 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:45am
    - septic skeptic
      
      IED’s seem to be very effective as well, just saying.
      
      3 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:14am
  - SGA
    
    RE gun control: Have you missed the events in London and France where they used knives and cars?
    
    Haven’t missed that. I just don’t find it compelling. These things are important parts of our life that we often have little choice but use. Like many other things (e.g., a fire poker, a cricket bat), they can make crude but effective weapons. Guns are, first and foremost, designed to kill things. Semi-automatic weapons are designed to kill things quickly and efficiently.
    In case, you are wondering, I’ve never owned a gun, but I’ve done a little hunting back in the day (just possums, rabbits, pheasants). I enjoy the sense of power I get when using them (if my friend in the USA – an LAPD cop – suggested going to a firing range, I’d jump at it) – they can be fun! On the other hand, I’d get into blowing things up too. But they aren’t an important part of my day to day life (like knives and cars) and, for many people (some genuinely need them for pest control say, granted), they are just an entertainment.
    
    6 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:44am
- Brian Marshall
  
  With some simple engineering tools and equipment, someone can craft up a fully functional sub machine gun. I don’t care for knee jerk law changes that stop the law abiding but do nothing to stop the actual criminals.
  
  37 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:10am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    I believe knock-off AKs are made in Afghani backstreet workshops.
    Happy to be proved wrong. I’d prefer it to be hard to manufacture automatic rifles.
    
    11 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:13am
    - G152
      
      You can stop believing that AK47’s are manufactured in backstreet workshops.
      Been going on since they were first introduced
      
      3 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:44am
  - NK
    
    Yes. Sadly, I can’t see that happening though.
    
    3 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:24am
  - thedavincimode
    
    … and/or a 3D printer …
    
    9 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:30am
  - Simon
    
    “With some simple engineering tools and equipment, someone can craft up a fully functional sub machine gun.”
    
    Thats right and the Police are brave & skilled but 15 minutes away. The Police took 36 minutes to arrest the killer.
    
    What is the law in NZ around owning a hand gun?
    Should lawful citizens be able to carry hand guns?
    
    No gun law can prevent a motivated nut job who wants to have a go at shooting people in a crowd somewhere.
    
    17 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:34am
    - Pascal
      
      No law can prevent a motivated nut job who wants to have a go at harming people in a crowd somewhere.
      
      While it is horrific, we have had ONE incident. That does not mean we’re a country of rampaging gun-nuts. It does mean we need to find out how this happened and fix this so something like it doesn’t happen again.
      
      But a knee jerk reaction of “guns are bad and laws must change” is not the right answer. “Something terrible happened and we’ll find out why and how we can prevent it from happening again in future” is a better answer.
      
      A nutter who wants to harm people to make his point will do so, because they have so many non-firearm related options available.
      
      16 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:45am
      - septic skeptic
        
        We also had Aramoana, so two (at least).
        
        2 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 10:17am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Agrees, this killer, this murderer, appears to mentally unbalanced. Does not take away the heinousness of his crimes.
  
  They better keep him from the general populace inside. This guy is a dead man walking.
  
  On a more pleasant note, the boy and a few of his mates wanted to the local mosque yesterday after their game of cricket to pay their respects. It was filled with others doing the same and the Imam was obviously overwhelmed by the genuine empathy displayed by everyone.
  
  These aren’t just words in a popular meme to share on Facebook. His actions were not New Zealand . The actions of kiwis expressing their grief, condolences, and shock at this horror, that’s the real New Zealand.
  
  Have a blessed day everyone, whatever you faith, or non faith, and tell your family and friends they are loved.
  
  36 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:22am
- Nookin
  
  Can you give an example of the former scenario in NZ —ie. of Muslim violence that has effectively been glossed over as the act of a deranged lone wolf?
  
  5 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:57am
  - marcw
    
    Although not in NZ, but in a neighboring ally – most of you seem to have forgotten Martin Place. Plus the murdering of police by knife attack. It’s happened here now, and it will happen again sadly. While certain groups rights are continually being advanced by liberal bedwetters and their media enablers, it is only a matter of time before someone else snaps. Guns, trucks, knives – no matter what the weapon, the victims are still dead.
    
    14 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:27am
mikenmildagain

For those in Wellington, there is a vigil for Christchurch at Te Ngākau Civic Square at 6 pm.
12 11
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:08am
- Keeping Stock
  
  A friend of mine is involved in running the local mosque in Whanganui. If have messaged him asking if it is appropriate for me to visit the mosque to express my condolences in person.
  
  My wife was deeply moved yesterday by the grace and warm welcome extended to her by the refugee family of the three-year-old boy who was shot on Friday. We may worship a different God to their’s, but grief and compassion are universal.
  
  25 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:23am
  - thedavincimode
    
    But KS, it’s the same God! Just different marketing! 🙂
    
    26 5
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:27am
    - nasska
      
      Let me re-phrase that for you:
      
      Same delusion……different gullible believers.
      
      16 9
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:15am
      - thedavincimode
        
        … aah nasska, always quick to put the boot in. Why can’t you be more mild-mannered and restrained like JB and me?
        
        8 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:27am
      - Johnboy
        
        That’s because we are refined fellows of good upbringing, fine education and delicate sensibilities Leonardo. Whereas nasska is a rough old retired truckie and cow cockie of dubious morals. No wonder he is so direct in his view on life! 🙂
        
        3 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 1:09pm
AgainstTheFlow

The equivalent scale of terrorist attack on the US would be 3,338 deaths.
Working : 327m US people / 4.8m NZ people X 49 dead

Hat-tip to RNZ column for the idea https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/384880/comment-how-do-we-talk-about-the-mosque-shootings
9 3
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:09am
- tas
  
  For comparison, there were 2,996 fatalities from the 9/11 attacks.
  
  13 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:13am
- thedavincimode
  
  Can I just remind you, before you get sucked into the hyperbole vortex that the author of that drivel and others of her political ilk are in the process of whipping up, that this temporary immigrant came here to “train’ for a terrorist act elsewhere and then decided this was a perfect choice of location. That’s right, those worshippers were killed by someone who came to NZ on a mission.
  Furthermore, the self-serving extrapolation of those numbers based upon US population in order to somehow add weight to her politically-driven views is so mindless that only a moron would get taken in by it. What on earth has NZ’s population got to do with this issue? It’s as meaningful as extrapolating the injuries suffered in Fiji’s coups or indeed, extrapolation of the actual number of coups.
  
  32 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:25am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    I don’t agree with the columnist’s views, but credited her with the idea of putting this crime into a US scale.
    
    My post was to highlight the scale of what has happened in NZ.
    
    5 3
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:51am
    - thedavincimode
      
      And my post was to point out what a pointless comparison that is. Put it another way, 42 get killed on a college campus in the US. Is it meaningful to point out that’s the equivalent of say 40,000 people being massacred in NZ?
      
      13 3
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:56am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    All terrorist acts are same:
    Perpetrated by self centred arrogant assholes who believe they are right and have the right to force others to their will.
    The victims are always the same too:
    Human beings, unarmed (soft targets) and just wishing and expecting to carry on their lives as they always have, ie going about THEIR business.
    Political and religious views and beliefs may change but the perpetrators and victims don’t.
    
    3 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 1:14pm
- Sofia
  
  AgainstThe Flow
  What altitude and speed would Tarrant’s van need to have been capable of, and with what size gas tank?
  
  9 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:37am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Exactly; good point. Let me do the numbers to help ATF out.
    Let’s assume that tarrant’s van was say, 1900 mm high with a ground clearance of say 400. Top speed is 130 kph and fuel capacity is 80 litres.
    
    That gives us a van that would need to be 129 metres high (give or take), with a ground clearance of about 27 metres, a top speed of nearly 9,000 kph – hypersonic like the X-15 – and a fuel capacity of about 5,500 litres.
    
    2 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:50am
    - AgainstTheFlow
      
      With respect, you’re chasing down a weird rabbit-hole.
      
      6 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:53am
      - thedavincimode
        
        No, there’s a van just like this on TradeMe
        
        4 1
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:00am
- Nibbles
  
  That seems to me to be an utterly pointless and completely meaningless comparison.
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:11am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Except for opportunity
  The maths doesn’t add up.
  It is much easier, as we have seen to do it here .
  The identical plan in the US would probably have the same result.
  The emotional and political toll could be actually worse than it is in the US.
  
  2 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 1:20pm
Huevon

So we don’t lose perspective….

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_March_2019
19 5
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:12am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m not sure from what ‘perspective’ you think people should view this massacre in Christchurch.
  
  2 22
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:54am
  - Huevon
    
    That the Chch attack was a one-off freak incident, while Muslims continue to commit mass murder on a industrial scale….
    
    [DPF: That was another Strike. You’ve gone from here for a fair time.]
    
    32 10
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:59am
    - NK
      
      Huevon, that comment re Muslims is utterly disgraceful.
      
      4 17
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:37am
      - Muttonbird
        
        It’s just a continuation of the general anti-muslim rhetoric which pervades this forum. The same anti-muslim rhetoric to which Tarrant subscribed.
        
        Well done for calling it out though.
        
        4 24
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:45am
      - Brian Marshall
        
        Yet it’s entirely accurate. Judge the man, not the group, but even you must recognise that the followers of one certain religion is represented disproportionately on that list? Attacks by members of that religion led to the attack in Christchurch by another hate fulled person.
        All the attacks are unacceptable and surely you would not want any neo nazis coming to NZ NK? If you wouldn’t want them, why would you want people that might commit terrorist attacks? The problem we have is how to tell the good from the bad.
        
        10 2
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:55am
      - Komata
        
        NK@0937
        
        Re: ‘Huevon, that comment re Muslims is utterly disgraceful’.
        
        A question: Is what Huevon stating accurate, factual, correct?
        
        Do ‘…Muslims continue to commit mass murder on a industrial scale….’ (with the phrase ‘industrial scale’ meaning in large quantities)?
        
        If, as I suspect, the answer is ‘yes’ (especially as Muslim ‘warfare’ agains ‘infidel’ non-believers is occuring on a daily basis and that only the ‘large’ Christchurch-type murders are reported by the media), then I would suggest that your remonstrance has no basis.
        
        Thank you.
        
        10 2
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:04am
    - NK
      
      You’re really comparing a religious view with Neo-nazis?
      
      Have people completely jumped the shark?
      
      I mean seriously, WTF?!
      
      1 5
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:03am
    - Southern Raider
      
      We’re over 100 christians slaughtered in Nigeria this week and media silence?
      
      8 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 11:19am
    - IC5000
      
      Which is mostly IS against other Muslims who they deem as non-Muslim for some reason. You only need a tiny minority of extremist to wreak great havoc on innocents given modern technology.
      
      0 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 4:43pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Milky: You know very well the point Huevon is making…not one many want to think about today, granted…but a fact nevertheless.
    
    12 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:22am
    - NK
      
      It’s not a fact at all, David. And that illustrates the massive chasm between us on this issue.
      
      I find in interesting that the first, and worst, act of terrorism on New Zealand soil was by a non-Muslim, when all the “commentary” by the enlightened on this blog over the years was that it would be from a NZ born Muslim “jihadist” or a refugee or immigrant extremist.
      
      It turns out nothing could be further from the truth.
      
      2 14
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:45am
      - Rodney Randall
        
        A radicalised Muslim was stopped mid way during an attempt to mow down innocent people in Chch.
        Papers reported many people frightened.
        
        All hushed up.
        
        Judge considered bbq’ing with perp.
        
        14 2
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:22am
      - David Garrett
        
        NK: No, you are right, this attack was not predicted…by anyone so far as I know, although Buchanan is sort of trying to say he foresaw it, or something like it.
        
        What is now pretty much certain is that there will be a retaliatory attack, probably staged by a son of a perfectly law abiding Muslim immigrant. It would be somewhat surprising if that doesn’t happen. God help us all.
        
        12 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:25am
      - Jack5
        
        A good point Rodney. And the would-be terrorist’s non-custodial sentence included golf lessons!
        
        4 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 12:34pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    milky, I think he’s indicating that it’s about keeping score.
    
    The muslims batted first and now the fruitcakes are getting their innings underway. I suppose this means there’s no issue until the fruitcakes get within cooee of the muslims’ score, eg, should they just bat on heuvon?
    
    11 5
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:42am
    - NK
      
      You’re a disgrace too.
      
      It’s views like this and Huevon that lead to the events of Friday. I criticized Anning’s statement here, and said that my impression of most commenters here over the years would concur with it. Others said I was wrong. No I’m not, and this shows it.
      
      It’s a great shame and with sadness that I realise you can’t see that.
      
      3 14
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:49am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Oh dear. Straight through to the keeper.
        
        12 2
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:53am
      - sam green
        
        Fucking stop it da vinci.
        
        0 16
        Report
        March 17, 2019 10:07am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Fucking stop wot sammie?
        
        14 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 10:19am
      - sooty
        
        A couple of sammies short of a picnic!
        
        8 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:39am
      - Jack5
        
        Sam’s posts are always so short, I suspect some brutal horticulture accident has left him with the use of only one finger to post with, on his smartphone.
        
        8 1
        Report
        March 17, 2019 12:36pm
- KiWombat
  
  Interesting to note the number of global terrorist incidents occurring each and every day, and we hear so little about these.
  
  I also found it interesting that the day AFTER the Christchurch massacre there were less than half the number of terrorist incidents that would normally have taken place. Perhaps all the would-be’s were at home watching you tube !
  
  10 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:23am
  - Komata
    
    KW@0923
    
    Re: ‘I also found it interesting that the day AFTER the Christchurch massacre there were less than half the number of terrorist incidents that would normally have taken place’.
    
    The only things that changed was that this was a BIG number murdered rather than the ‘more-ususal’ 2-10 or so that occurs daily and which are so frequent as to be considered ‘normal’ and therefore not worthy of reporting.
    
    In the media world ‘BIG’ always trumps ‘little’ and ‘average’. No news there, no ‘fame’, move along etc. etc.
    
    8 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 11:08am
- sam green
  
  Fucking stop it Huevon.
  
  2 18
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:03am
  - NK
    
    He can’t. He and others are obsessed by Muslims. Yes, all of them. Even the ones praying on Friday are still the enemy, according to that way of thinking.
    
    I’ve been a commenter here since 2006. I feel now like packing up tools. There’s no hope for this country if seemingly intelligent voters think like this. And I’ve voted Act/National all of voting life (22 years and 8 elections).
    
    3 12
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:08am
    - David Garrett
      
      NK: You know very well that I at least don’t think that all Muslims are a threat…clearly those shot while peacefully praying weren’t. The point I and others have made is it is very difficult to sort the safe from the dangerous,and totally impossible to predict how their children will act.
      
      Also as you well know, it is invariably the second generation, born in the UK, France, Germany etc. who become radicalized and carry out atrocities. It has happened in every single western country which has a significant Muslim population.
      
      8 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 11:32am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        It’s impossible to predict how anybody’s children will act. So what?
        
        0 5
        Report
        March 17, 2019 12:09pm
      - Jack5
        
        Sam’s got “fucking stop it” programmed on one of his smartphone keys.
        
        5 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 12:37pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        The irony with that David is that we can now say the same about Australians.
        
        2 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 4:37pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  That numbers are the numbers.
  My problem is biblical (I am an atheist BTW)
  The bible says, Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
  NOT Blessed are the excuse makers, for they shall inherit the earth.
  ALL acts of terror, regardless of “reason” or belief are WRONG.
  They are enabled by the people that say “I don’t agree with them but…..”
  For me there are NO BUTS!!
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 1:25pm
cmm

According to Stuff NZ is we have evil white supremacists everywhere.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111332125/we-must-root-out-the-racists-who-walk-among-us

Yup, we’re so bad that our mass murderer had to come from Oz!

It is terrible that people are using this incident as another rod with with to flog white people.
67 3
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:19am
- NK
  
  What’s “Stuff.co.nz”?
  
  I’ve not heard of that political blog.
  
  1 14
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:02am
  - NK
    
    I mean, why read that shit. It blocks debate and cannot be then seriously.
    
    At. All.
    
    4 4
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:09am
    - sooty
      
      You have lead a sheltered life, mate!
      It’s one of the leading leftie blogs in NZ. Run by the Labour party, it is.
      
      10 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 11:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Oscar Kightley lecturing on terrorism. Jesus!
        
        CMM, the Stuff author you cite, Kightley, is a struggling ethnic comedian. He’s either on the tit of Creative New Zealand, that State dole agency for the arty, or he’s often employed by someone sucking on that tit.
        
        What Kightley knows about terrorism could be written on the back of a postage stamp with a blunt carpenter’s pencil.
        
        9 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 1:40pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  The kind of thinking in the article is dangerous, likely to be counterproductive – and also difficult to respond to without opening oneself to charges of insensitivity, racism, victim blaming etc.
  
  It’s not OK to do people – any people, be they innocent children or nasty old bigots – violence, be it slaughter or dildo throwing. It’s not OK to demonize entire groups because of the actions of a deranged few.
  
  But it is OK to disagree with them, and it is OK not to be one of them. Disagreement, explained and respectfully expressed, is for discussion, not suppression – by all means disagree right back in the same spirit. But don’t just demand a vague “rooting out” of “white supremacists”. Or “jihadists”. Or “snowflakes”.
  
  There are some, a very few, truly horrible people of those and other persuasions. By all means have the security services take a good look at them.
  
  But many of those that you, Oscar, are so keen – on the basis of no proper process, no agreed criteria, no requirement for proof or testing, no provision for a fair hearing – to label and condemn, are merely not very well informed, a bit misguided, or perhaps even have had experiences that you haven’t that give them reasonable cause to think different from you.
  
  There’s more to be gained from hearing and debating with them than by howling them down. Through the former, they might learn something. You might learn something. Through the latter, we’ll be driven further apart.
  
  18 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    We’re being lubed up to take Manus Islanders.
    
    Anyone who opposes bringing Manus Island to NZ is an evil white supremacist. So bad you probably cheered and downed a shot every time the body count went up. You probably even contributed to the Ozzie’s giveabullet campaign.
    
    I expect this event will be exploited to the max.
    
    16 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:21am
- David Garrett
  
  cmm: I saw that…and of course a fucking actor is uniquely qualified to comment on the first mass terror attack in New Zealand…and does he realise that “Muslim” is not a race?
  
  I fear we are in for a period of idiocy…starting with calls to change the name of the Crusaders rugby team FFS…9/10 rugby fans wouldn’t have a clue what the Crusades were.
  
  21 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:28am
  - cmm
    
    Calling them the Crusaders is grossly insensitive. I propse we re-badge them the Moorish Rangers.
    
    2 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:11pm
Lee C

facebook users already sending out a soft-focus image of Jacinda in a hibab.
I get the feeling that some are going to harvest this tragedy for their own political gain, and it’s not a good feeling.
It’s starting already….
52 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:21am
- Northland Wahine
  
  I’m not a fan of Arden at all, but I think she is handling this respectfully. As any leader of a nation should.
  
  26 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:26am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Ditto NW. I disagree with her politics, but I would not wish a crisis like this on her. It was good to see all the main party leaders coming together yesterday in a show of unity.
    
    22 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:28am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      KS, I disagree. The victims have not been buried and the commie wants to confiscate guns that were legally acquired. Has she even do the math on the cost or does she not plan on compensation. No one in the media has asked her. I hope National does. Chris Bishop went on a roadshow taking to licenced gun owners. I hope he and National will not do a backflip on this.
      
      25 9
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:46am
      - NK
        
        Chuck, I agree with your sentiments but the real politic puts her in an impossible position. She *has* to both say and do this, regardless of the efficacy of any regulation. As prime minister, she has no option.
        
        2 15
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:07am
      - thedavincimode
        
        How would you rate your mate peters’ performance in all of this chuckie? Statesman-like as per normal?
        
        8 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:08am
      - cmm
        
        NK: ” She *has* to both say and do this, regardless of the efficacy of any regulation.”
        
        I disagree.
        
        She could have said something respectful like: Now is the time for grieving and support.etc.
        
        There is no need to have served up a whole lot of bullshit about gun control etc.
        
        Lawmaking needs to be data driven, not an emotional reaction. Unfortunatley the hand-wringing starts and we get a do something to be seen to be doing something style reaction.
        
        Last time we got the MSSA legislation which is rubbish.
        
        20 2
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:16am
      - marcw
        
        Every time this pathetic excuse of a Prime Minister opened her mouth yesterday I just wished she would shut the fcuk up. Making commitments she can’t cash, and subtly puting the blame on anyone who doesn’t commit to atonement for this Aussie nutter while bodies are still warm – shows her total lack of awareness of leadership.
        
        Perhaps she could go full retard today and wear a full niqab so we don’t have to see her face too.
        
        16 5
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:41am
  - Nukuleka
    
    My partner, a Muslim, says her wearing of the hijab is deeply offensive. Akin to Trudeau’s Bollywood stunts.
    
    37 6
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:29am
    - Swifty
      
      Why offensive, was it said?
      
      8 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:31am
    - projectman
      
      Why would your partner be deeply offended when Ardern wearing the hijab was clearly intended as a mark of respect?
      
      Now is the right time for reflection, including by the muslim community. There will be little resolution of these sorts of problems until muslim communities around the world are willing to openly condemn the actions of some of their believers who carry out such atrocities practically every day – including condemning their actions against jewish populations. I think I will be waiting a very long time for the last point.
      
      21 3
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:53am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Like the silence over the Auckland Iman calling Jews pigs and calling for violence that was caught on camera.
        
        The only reaction from the Muslim Association was that he was misunderstood
        
        19 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:20am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Which mosque did the teenager now on golf lessons come from?
        
        16 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:21am
    - Viking2
      
      I thought it was as well. It was show pony stuff like SBW and now Sam the film man.
      
      Anything for publicity.
      
      Next the police commissioner will be required to wear one or even Hajib.
      
      14 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:48am
    - sam green
      
      Nukuleka – bullshit.
      
      1 16
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:11am
    - David Farrar
      
      Each to their own but I thought it was quite beautiful and appropriate.
      
      3 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 2:08pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Yes indeed, to each his or her own. My ‘own’ feeling was that our PR-intensive Prime Minister was seeking personal publicity and soft imagery association from this massacre tragedy in Christchurch.
        
        I’d feel the same, for example, if she wore a facsimile Royal Crown in the event of our Queen being gunned down by a nutter.
        
        5 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 6:49pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Great imagery Calendar Girl
        ?
        
        2 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 7:52pm
  - Swifty
    
    Yep, credit where credit is due.
    
    I’ve seen and heard bugger all of her over the last two days – but of what I have she has yet to slip up, in my view.
    
    13 4
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:29am
  - NK
    
    I agree.
    
    11 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:29am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I still won’t vote for her though. ?
      
      25 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:46am
      - NK
        
        Neither will I.
        
        13 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:08am
  - lifesgood
    
    Yes, you are right. Key words are “As any leader of a nation should”. Despite all the vomit inducing stuff going around on FB about how saintly she has been and how wonderful and what an amazing leader and blah, blah, blah, she has been no better than she should be and any other leader would be the same. It really gets up my nose that someone doing their job correctly gets sainted for it. I suppose, at least, it’s an improvement on her usual performance, though.
    
    16 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:13am
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Exactly… we expect this of our nations leader and I don’t think she has embarrassed us in this case tho the constant fawning of the media over her does.
      
      For the record, I can not abide Trump. But his own country’s media dismissing his condolences to the victims and our nation, truly pissed me off. As leader of his nation, he too was respectful.
      
      12 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 12:09pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    except for her ignorance of basic english when she talked about the “perpetuators of the attack”. Don’t like the world seeing how dumb our
    PM is and judging us by proxy.
    
    6 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 7:58pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  I have no problem with her and other women paying their respects wearing scarves. It’s a simple sign of respect for the culture, not a political statement, or a sign of subjugation to men.
  
  Let’s not make more of this than it actually is.
  
  20 9
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:26am
  - David Garrett
    
    KS: As I observed above, we are about to enter a period of idiocy…and it’s already begun.
    
    22 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:32am
    - sam green
      
      Yes David. You’re idiocy has been noted.
      
      1 20
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:13am
      - Jack5
        
        Sam – seven words. Good. Now that wasn’t too hard, was it?
        
        6 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 12:39pm
  - SGA
    
    I’m non-religious, but on the occasions that I’ve attended a religious Jewish event I put on one of the supplied kippah. As you say, KS, a simple sign of respect for the culture, not a statement of religious belief on my part.
    
    4 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 12:39pm
- tas
  
  Tragedies are a freebie for politicians in power. Unless they utterly fumble the response, leaders are cast in a good light when they are responding to a tragedy. It makes them look compassionate, statesmanlike, and above the humdrum of politics.
  
  That’s just a fact of political optics and doesn’t say anything about the ethics of those who benefit. Key looked good after the Christchurch quakes. Let’s not try casting this into the usual political to-and-fro.
  
  16 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:27am
- Huevon
  
  Yep. I find it repulsive. A western woman volunteering to wear a Muslim headscarf is like a black man putting on chains for show. Have some self respect, woman!
  
  This event is going to blow the right wing of NZ politics open. Just as similar event did in the UK, France, Germany etc.
  
  32 9
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:28am
  - NK
    
    No. It’ll garner support towards diversity, particularly religious diversity. I’m loathe to write “minorities” because Islam is not a minority.
    
    9 6
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:32am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Should NZ lower the age of consent to 9 as Iran did after the revolution?
      
      18 9
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:48am
      - sam green
        
        Your comment is fucked up. Stop it.
        
        2 17
        Report
        March 17, 2019 10:32am
      - sooty
        
        Phool Goof, has already tried that when he was in government!
        
        5 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:41am
  - Simon
    
    “A western woman volunteering to wear a Muslim headscarf is like a black man putting on chains for show. Have some self respect, woman!”
    
    Dear it be said that some on the Alt-right are warming up to Islam. Some are saying that Islam is the way forward.
    
    1 22
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:42am
  - Ultima
    
    Yeah, i find it virtue-signalling at the very worse. There will be many opportunities for her to wear it, like visiting one of the mosque, but to do it this early its looks like she’s putting on a show for an audience.
    
    19 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:55am
  - thedavincimode
    
    … or a muslim bowing when introduced to the Queen.
    
    8 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:12am
- Nibbles
  
  I’m not sure what to make of the headscarf. My immediate reaction was to cringe. Maybe it is entirely appropriate, I will have to leave that to others to judge, but Ardern’s habitual insincere and patronizing blandishments make me very cynical.
  
  33 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:40am
  - NK
    
    Oh come on everyone. The whole fu***ng issue around that psycho shooting up Muslims was intolerance, lack of respect and hate by extremists.
    
    They *were* the underlying themes. Ardern *has* to respond showing respect, tolerance and love for their beliefs and religion in their own backyard.
    
    Some people need to find their brain sometimes.
    
    7 11
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:12am
    - Pascal
      
      “This crisis of mass immigration and sub-replacement fertility is an assault
      on the European people that, if not combated, will ultimately result in the
      complete racial and cultural replacement of the European people.” – from the nutter’s manifesto.
      
      You could also argue that giving up her culture as ” assign of respect” is in part what drove this nutter to his violence.
      
      Why can two different cultures not meet each-other respectfully, happily and in peace as themselves and express your tolerance, respect and so forth as a person, without pretending to be something you’re not.
      
      13 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:30am
    - Nibbles
      
      I refrain from the matter of judging whether wearing the headscarf was appropriate or not. It’s Ardern’s sincerity, or lack of, that troubles me. The woman is a self-serving virtue-signaller par excellence, and her actions are rarely backed up by any real conviction or meaning.
      
      10 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:56am
  - thedavincimode
    
    It was simply to cover her bonce as a sign of respect. If she got it wrong then so be it. Personally, my preference for her would have been a paper bag.
    
    18 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:14am
  - Sacha
    
    Was she wearing it in the Mosque? Or in another specifically Muslim setting? That would be respectful and appropriate, IMO.
    But apart from anything else, it didn’t look as graceful as it does on natural wearers – but then, some people shouldn’t wear bikinis either.
    
    5 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 1:31pm
fernglas

I saw his picture in the paper. What a short arse. Obviously has small man syndrome. #LittleWilly.
16 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:25am
- Sir Leslie Bottocks
  
  oh great inciting violence against short people are we now? And on this blog too! What a total lack of self awareness!!
  
  1 9
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:45am
holysheet

Dave was bragging to his boss one day

“You know, I know everyone there is to know. Just name someone, anyone, and I know them.”
Tired of his boasting, his boss called his bluff, “OK, Dave, how about Tom Cruise?”
“No dramas boss, Tom and I are old friends, and I can prove it.” So Dave and his boss fly out to Hollywood and knock on Tom Cruise’s door, and Tom Cruise shouts,
“Dave! What’s happening? Great to see you! Come on in for a beer!”
Although impressed, Dave’s boss is still skeptical. After they leave Cruise’s house, he tells Dave that he thinks him knowing Cruise was just lucky.
“No, no, just name anyone else,” Dave says.
“President Trump,” his boss quickly retorts.
“Yup,” Dave says, “Old buddies, let’s fly out to Washington,” and off they go.
At the White House, Trump spots Dave on the tour and motions him and his boss over, saying, “Dave, what a surprise, I was just on my way to a meeting, but you and your friend come on in and let’s have a beer first and catch up.”
Well, the boss is very shaken by now but still not totally convinced. After they leave the White House grounds he expresses his doubts to Dave, who again implores him to name anyone else.
“Pope Francis,” his boss replies.
“Sure!” says Dave. “I’ve known the Pope for years.” So off they fly to Rome.
Dave and his boss are assembled with the masses at the Vatican’s St. Peter’s Square when Dave says, “This will never work. I can’t catch the Pope’s eye among all these people. Tell you what, I know all the guards so let me just go upstairs and I’ll come out on the balcony with the Pope.” He disappears into the crowd headed towards the Vatican.
Sure enough, half an hour later Dave emerges with the Pope on the balcony, but by the time Dave returns, he finds that his boss has had a heart attack and is surrounded by paramedics.
Making his way to his boss’ side, Dave asks him, “What happened?”
His boss looks up and says, “It was the final straw… you and the Pope came out onto the balcony and the man next to me said, ‘Who the fuck is that on the balcony with Dave?’
33 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:32am
- SGA
  
  Dave should have known that Trump doesn’t drink 🙂
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 12:42pm
Happychappy

Well I had a comment deleted after James Shaw incident which I thought was fair as no Politicain deserves to be assaulted and my remark said it happens daily in NZ and why should James get the media condemnation when they don’t. A bad choice of word which I should have known better, but some of the disgraceful remarks printed yesterday are beyond belief especially by DipNap15 on Muslims like they should be searching all Mosques for weapons and other degrading remarks, this in my opinion is disgraceful and needs others who hold my view to comment a rebuke this hate. I will receive a lot of downticks and a few comments of dislike from a few on here but to make fun of the dead over a crime they didn’t commit is distasteful and needs to be outlawed.
20 7
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:33am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Bullshit. There should no restrictions on offensive or distasteful speech only on speech that incites. Those laws are already in place and we don’t need any more.
  
  17 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:47am
  - Nookin
    
    Exactly where is the dividing line between speech that is offensive and speech that incites violence? After all, we have proof from Anning’s comments and the subsequent egging that his views, widely expressed on this blog, incite violence?
    
    2 6
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:12am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Aye, there’s the rub.
      
      What would you suggest then? Outlaw anything that might offend somebody, somewhere, sometime – just in case?
      
      We have laws in place that define exactly that line, you may disagree with where the line is drawn but we don’t need any new laws when we already have them in place.
      
      9 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:18am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Oh Happychappy, you were doing so very well there until your last five words. Pity
  
  3 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:32am
  - Sacha
    
    Agreed, but people need to self-censor. How about a minute’s delay before posting?
    
    0 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 1:42pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

hey sky good on you but that’s enough with the virtue signalling don’t you think? Can you put sky news back on now as I am beginning to get just a little bit annoyed? I want to watch outsiders!
6 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:41am
- WaveyDavey
  
  TBH NZ media (& most other countries’ too) loves a good disaster. It’s a boon for eyeballs, clicks, sales…
  
  12 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 8:48am
Southern Raider

Radical left in USA showing how nuts they are

Chelsea Clinton has been blamed for causing the massacre in ChCh

I’m no fan of the Clinton’s, but what did she do to supposedly incite a massacre on the other side of the world, in a city she probably has never visited?

Last week she called out Senator Omar and told her to stop spewing out anti Semitic bullshit and that as a public official there was a high expectation on behaviour and not spreading hate.
22 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:45am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Don Trump jr supported her calling out the anti Semitic comments. The media and the democrats in the USA really are mad.
  
  9 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:08am
  - sam green
    
    The comments weren’t anti Semitic- they were anti Zionist. The Zionists use this rhetoric all the time.
    
    0 16
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:37am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Bullshit. That’s the standard line from the radical left to defend Jew hate
      
      12 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 11:16am
      - sam green
        
        No – it’s not.
        
        1 11
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:44am
    - Komata
      
      Sam Green @10.37
      
      To paraquote your earlier comments:
      
      ‘Sam, stop it’
      
      (Sauce for the goose etc.)
      
      11 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 11:27am
      - Jack5
        
        Paraphrase Sam Green?
        
        He’s already a paraphrase of a paraphrase.
        
        7 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 2:28pm
srylands

I was surprised by an oblique reference in a press article yesterday. Along the lines of a “spokesperson for the PM said that none of the heads of the intelligence agencies had offered to resign over the incident”. (sorry can’t find the link)

It will be interesting to see the post mortem by the intelligence agencies. Maybe he was careful to stay under the radar.
13 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:49am
- SGA
  
  It will be interesting to see how that unfolds. We have to be realistic about it. If he doesn’t have a history of violence or actively anti-muslim behaviour, then what do they do? Take KB, for example. Over the years here, there have been people who have said that they think that muslim countries should be nuked back to the stone age (“turned to glass” was one expression that springs to mind). Others warning us of the impending “holy war” between Christianity and Islam (one encouraging us become Christian to be ready for the fight). Should our intelligence agencies be tracking down each of these people and keeping a careful watch on them. Well no – it’s impractical and most (probably all of them) are just keyboard warriors.
  
  14 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:02am
  - All_on_Red
    
    You do have to wonder that when the shooter was vetted whether they looked at his on line presence.
    Maybe that should become part of what they now do for different types of Categories
    Heck, Employers look at prospective Employees online presence.
    
    7 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:13am
    - SGA
      
      But who is All_on_Red?
      
      0 4
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:47am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ?
        
        4 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 10:19am
      - SGA
        
        Exactly – how would employer know that you were All_on_Red? If, however, you committed a serious crime, then the police would go through your cellphone and computer, and everyone would know that you published all sorts of terrible things as All_on_Red.
        Unless the person doing the vetting has access to your electronic devices, such checks are superficial.
        
        4 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:25am
- Evadne
  
  The wording used was “resigned YET”.
  
  I noted the ” yet” particularly, which I thought pointed and disgraceful.
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:05am
  - Evadne
    
    Found the quote. Was in the stuff live updates at 3:59 pm yesterday
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/111341463/christchurch-shootings-tragic-end-in-search-for-father-killed-terrorist-attack–live-updates
    
    “She says none of the heads of intelligence agencies have offered their resignations as yet.”
    
    Reads as though it was the answer to a question, rather than a deliberate statement.
    
    9 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:13am
- Hollyfield
  
  I suspect a journalist asked whether any of the heads of intelligence agencies had offered to resign, and the reply was no.
  
  I did read in one of the articles that Tarrant was not on an Australian watchlist, so not sure why anyone would think NZ should have known about him when he’d only been here 3 months. Have an investigation, sure, see whether NZ missed any flags and then make changes to procedures to prevent something similar happening again, but at this stage it’s far too early to be talking about people resigning.
  
  11 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:12am
  - srylands
    
    Yes quite correct. That was the bit that caught my attention. As far as I am aware, the heads of the intelligence agencies are our most capable public servants.
    
    7 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:43am
  - thedavincimode
    
    It’s hard to escape the irony in a media shrill asking that kind of a question so early in the piece in light of the kerfuffle over the GCSB and surveillance during Key’s government.
    
    9 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:48am
    - Viking2
      
      That’ll be a greenie winding the conversation up.
      
      2 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:10am
- Muttonbird
  
  Depends what you are looking for.
  
  A former military machine gunner who visited the gun club where the mosque terror suspect trained says he was deeply troubled by its culture and lodged a complaint with police.
  
  He was concerned the ethos at the club was the “perfect breeding ground” for a mass shooter and lodged a formal complaint with the police.
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/111336647/we-dont-breed-mass-killers-accused-christchurch-shooters-gun-club
  
  Gun clubs are a perfect breeding ground because members are usually paranoid, unhinged, and racist.
  
  The commenter known as secondcumming is a perfect example of this.
  
  2 27
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:31am
  - Muttonbird
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Here’s another quote from the article:
    
    The place just stunk of inadequacy compensated through use and ownership of semi automatic firearms. It was pretty f…ing disturbing.
    
    A bit like Kiwiblog.
    
    [DPF: Go troll elsewhere]
    
    2 34
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:33am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      .
      
      2 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:11am
    - Viking2
      
      You simply don’t have to come here and there will little doubt no one will miss your insane rhetoric.
      Go away if you don’t like our company.
      
      But you won’t you misogynistic creep.
      
      You are like the alcoholic that can’t leave the bar.
      Weak and incapable of controlling your own actions.
      
      14 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:13am
      - SGA
        
        .
        
        0 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:33am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Gun clubs are a perfect breeding ground because members are usually paranoid, unhinged, and racist.
    
    Got the link to the research validating that proposition?
    
    21 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:35am
    - Muttonbird
      
      Call it a hunch.
      
      0 26
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:36am
      - thedavincimode
        
        .. ah, just another lie then.
        
        20 1
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:49am
      - Swifty
        
        A big fat lie which exposes Titi’s bigotry, prejudice and hatred for those with different views.
        
        13 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:51am
  - David Garrett
    
    How the fuck would you have the slightest idea what goes on in gun clubs? Are you a member of one? Have you ever been a member of one? And if you have – which I very much doubt – that qualifies you to make some observation about one gun club as it was at the time you were a member of it.
    
    And for the record NO, I am not and have never been a member of any gun club.
    
    19 3
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:50am
  - Inandout
    
    No mutton, the universities the like of Massey are breeding grounds for anti Israeli/Jewish/whites racism, paranoid and definitely unhinged ‘students’.
    
    14 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:45am
kevn

I wonder if the CoL recent plan to centralize (and reduce staff numbers) of police gun/arms inspectors to Wellington. Local police gun/arms staff were told to re-apply and be prepared to move.
Was this a nash proposal? It would seem unlikely to come from with the police force… surely.
16 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:51am
Southern Raider

Our does a known new Nazi get to operate an insulation business in ChCh and have vans running around town with Nazi slogans on them?
4 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 9:00am
- Inandout
  
  SR, keep the buggers in the open.
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:46am
Southern Raider

Not sure which of the following I find more ridiculous and offending

1) that Mayor Dalziel wasn’t aware of white supremacists In ChCh
2) someone on twitter claiming this was because of her “white privilege”
19 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 9:02am
- Viking2
  
  Well I reckon no.1
  The reason is that it demonstrates quite clearly the Dalzeil, like so many other pollies, has no idea what goes on in the world beyond their tiny fiefdoms.
  
  One needs to read constantly and travel around to become aware.
  That IMHO is what makes Bob Jones stand out in NZ.
  
  How could anyone who has lived in Christchurch, let alone many other places in NZ, not know about people like Kyle Chapman and his merry band.
  That’s like saying they don’t know about Black Power or the Mongies.
  
  Uneducated fools.
  
  And that applies of course to beliefs and behaviors of the current group with its own political system.
  
  9 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:21am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Maybe she spend too much time living in Wellington on the taxpayer
    
    Addington was white power central for many decades and probably still is. Plus Woolston
    
    You then had the Harris brothers in Hornby and of course Mr Chapman
    
    I would caveat this however that ChCh also has a big Polynesian teen gang issue in the CBD. I feel safer in Aucklands CBD than ChCh at night and it’s not skinheads I’m scared of
    
    7 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 11:13am
    - Jack5
      
      Viking2: Kyle Chapman, who is part-Maori, was born in Taumaranui. One of his most notorious incidents was attacking a marae in the far south of New Zealand with a Molotov cocktail.
      
      Chapman seems to drift around the country, and for a time at least after marrying a Mormon lady, was a social worker in the Waikato area. He stands in local body elections for mayor of Christchurch occasionally, but I can’t recall him holding any election meetings.
      
      Last I heard of him he was leading some sort of survivalist group that held camps in the Otago region.
      
      From what I’ve read, Tarrant seems to be a loner, while Chapman seems to like having followers.
      
      5 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 1:11pm
      - Jack5
        
        The Harris gang! It’s a while since I’ve heard about them.
        
        The Harris family began with a small circus that toured the country, but its home base was Christchurch. The boys grew up tough, taking lions on leads for walks.
        
        A big cat escaped at one stage. People on callback ridiculed an elderly lady who reported she had seen a lion walking down the street early in the morning.. A day or so later lion prints appeared on a beach.
        
        Then the Harris boys recaptured the lion.
        
        When the Harris gang was in its heyday, the Mongrel Mob and similar gangs either stayed out of Christchurch or kept their heads well down.
        
        4 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 2:48pm
Yvette

Since they have now witnessed what one man can wrought among us, will Ardern, Peters, Little and Bridges re-consider their position in relation to “Kiwi Jihadi” Mark Taylor – should he become accessible – that he be immediately returned to New Zealand to face any criminal charges or metal health evaluation, or of course both?

“We’re making no efforts to bring him home'” – Jacinda Ardern, Andrew Little
National leader Simon Bridges said: “We don’t want him back. It’s not our responsibility to bail out a terrorist.”
Is that true? – given Friday’s context to now consider it? That – “If he can stay over there [Syria] and be other people’s issue, I think that’s what New Zealanders would want.” ?

As Taylor is a New Zealander, is this Government not responsible for him, should he be inspired to act irresponsibly? And, unlike Tarrant, they do already know about Taylor

More than ever, we should pick up our own trash.
12 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 9:08am
- JibberJabber
  
  Taylor burnt his passport, so yeah fuck him, he rejected his citizenship and the privileges that go with it, so if the simpleton can make it back here on his own he can face the music that the pathetic legal system will throw at him, all courtesy of the long suffering taxpayer.
  
  13 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:23am
  - David Garrett
    
    Jibber: Quite so…if he gets himself to Turkey and thus a New Zealand embassy, they will have little option but to issue him with a passport…but they won’t be spending any taxpayers’ money bringing him back here.
    
    Actually I see very little connection with Taylor – a New Zealander committing crimes overseas – and an Australian committing crimes here. Two entirely different scenarios, linked only by the fact that both are terrorists.
    
    6 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:54am
    - Yvette
      
      David – Actually I see very little connection with Taylor
      
      Tarrant, with names written on his weapons magazines, ascribes importance to several people he is inspired by or would pay tribute to – from Sebastian Venier, Charles Martel to Ebba Akerlund (whose parents are utterly revolted by the reference) – and if anyone could be of such mental disposition as to be inspired by Tarrant, I would guess Mark Taylor to be a candidate.
      Even detained in Syria he seems to have access to New Zealand news.
      
      If Taylor, a New Zealander, runs amok somewhere, who’s responsibility is he?
      Although New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs Minister has said he wouldn’t waste five seconds thinking of him.
      
      4 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:32am
- cmm
  
  “As Taylor is a New Zealander, is this Government not responsible for him”
  
  Remember there is no government. There is only us taxpayers.
  
  No we are not responsible for others, but we can choose to become responsible on a case-by-case basis.
  
  We are especially not for those that have rejected us, then want a parachute when their plans go awry.
  
  10 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:29am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Share a cell?
  
  2 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:16am
Odakyu-sen

Most societies expect newcomers to conform to the established social conventions and norms. Any government ought to know that allowing in immigrants whose established social conventions and norms are very different to that of the native (or established) population will create a sense of unease among the locals. So, the first point is that the newcomers are “different.”

The second (and critical) factor is whether the newcomers are “immigrants” or “colonists” at heart. (An immigrant wants to become like a native; a colonizer wants the natives to become like him.)

So you have two factors. Are the newcomers “different” to the natives? Are the newcomers “immigrants” or “colonists”?

I believe that over time (and generations), immigrants lose their “difference” as they gain the trust of the natives. Immigrants change and they also change the natives (with the consent of the natives), resulting in a new flavor of society that is hopefully better than the original one.

What of the “colonists”? Their hallmarks include:
– Language/religious schools for their children
– Sending back to the old country for spouses
– Social prohibitions on marriage outside their group
– Cult-like behavior towards their members who deviate from their social norms
– Lack of desire to make native friends
– A general contempt for native ways

How can the natives best get along with “colonists”?
– Do nothing, and hope that time and generations will bring changes?
– Speak out against government policy that was responsible for bringing the colonists to their country in the first place, and risk State sanctions?
– The problem is that the natives who speak out can form a kind of “sea” in which the Brenton Tarrants of this world swim.

How can the “colonists” best get along with the natives?
– Become more like the natives in terms of dress
– Develop an appreciation of the native’s pastimes (so they will have more common ground)
– Do not discourage their sons and daughters from mixing with the natives

Finally, does a nation have the right to preserve its unique culture and traditions?
(Defining “unique culture and traditions” is tricky. For example, can a Caucasian make “true Japanese sushi”? (And what is “true Japanese sushi” exactly?))

– A civic nationalist would say “Yes”
– An ethno-nationalist would say “Hell yes”
– A globalist would say “No”
18 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 9:09am
- Pascal
  
  Where would you place Japan?
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:42am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Japan is an ethno-state. Ethno-nationalism is the default setting for most Japanese.
    
    A Japanese kindergarten student (aged 5) knows what it is to be a Japanese kindergarten student. He knows by heart.
    – The songs Japanese kindergarten student sings
    – The colors little girls are affiliated with
    – The colors little boys are affiliated with
    – The lunch box a Japanese kindergarten student eats
    – How Japanese kindergarten students greet their teachers and headmaster
    – The games Japanese kindergarten students play
    – The sports days that Japanese kindergarten students are involved with
    – The nursery stories of Japanese kindergarten students
    The NHK TV programs for Japanese kindergarten students
    
    How would a Japanofied version of New Zealand be?
    Little Johnny (aged 5) proudly wears his floppy flannel hat (blue) and his brown made-in-Petone Roman sandles (and Johnny will know the NZTV song that sings the praises of the men of Petone who make the Roman sandals for New Zealand children). He will carry his NZ-printed school storybook and his white square lunchbox with sardine sandwiches and a Granny Smith apple cut in quarters exactly so. At 8:20 a.m. each morning Johnny will be his neighborhood students at the appointed meeting area, and they will walk to kindergarten (about 1 km). … It goes on…
    
    And Johnny is only 5 years old. To him, it will all seem so natural. It defines who he is and his role in society.
    
    11 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:27am
    - Pascal
      
      Thank you. After visiting Japan I was curious to get this type of view of it, as we’re investigated in migrating there. But I have the feeling that while one can visit – becoming a part of society there will be nigh on impossible even if one adopted all of the social and cultural norms as your own. The mere fact that you’re not Japanese would exclude you, I think.
      
      5 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 11:58am
- Tom Barker
  
  I take it that anyone who supports the above statement is deeply immersed in learning and practising the Māori language and all other aspects of Māori culture, the native culture of this country. You’re not hypocrites, after all – are you?
  
  0 17
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    So are the maori who are not doing what you say also hypocrites?
    
    Asking for a friend.
    
    14 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:02am
    - Tom Barker
      
      Tell your ‘friend’ to explain to me – which earlier ‘culture’ are Māori expected to fit into?
      
      1 15
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:04am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Taiwanese or wherever else they came from
        
        6 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 11:09am
      - Tall Man
        
        “deeply immersed in learning and practising the Māori language and all other aspects of Māori culture, the native culture of this country”
        
        You are a truly stupid man.
        
        However, 10 guitars, Big Ben pies, KFC, pokies with a splash of “P”…. is that what you see as “modern maori culture”?
        
        Asked and answered for a friend…. now go fuck yourself you pathetic excuse for a man.
        
        3 1
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:15pm
      - Howdy
        
        TB, I think they ate or enslaved them so they can’t 🙂
        
        1 0
        Report
        March 18, 2019 12:30am
  - Jack5
    
    Tom, you say Maori is the native culture in NZ, but you might also say Ainu culture is the culture of Japan. You wouldn’t say someone thinking of migrating to Japan should learn the Ainu language.
    
    4 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 12:44pm
    - Tall Man
      
      He’s an idiot, save your energy.
      
      1 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:16pm
- Tall Man
  
  Very valid points.
  
  How does a country like NZ convince it’s government that we do not want Manus Island rejects. These would be the ones that failed to gain entry into the US or anywhere else.
  
  I would imagine that a poll held in NZ asking if we wanted to become a signatory to the recent UN Immigration Pact” would generate aa large majority against. Would our government listen, no.
  
  A clear example of what muslim immigration looks like is to be found both in London and Minnesota.
  
  “Somalis are an ethnic group in the Minneapolis–Saint Paul (Twin Cities) urban area and makes up one of the largest Somali diasporas in the US. As of 2016, there were around 80,000 Somalis in Minnesota.”
  
  This has led to an extremely rabid young woman with radical and anti semitic views being elected to Congress. This could be interpreted as “democracy in action” giving radical muslims a voice but these obviously qualify as “colonists” as per your definitions.
  
  11 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:59am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Omar shows all that is wrong with western nations at the moment and the bleak future we face
    
    3 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 11:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      She certainly has a status well above her value.
      
      1 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:17pm
All_on_Red

Just on the Climate Strike and trying to reduce Emmissions (yeah I know) is the future Small Modular Reactors?
https://www.philly.com/news/nuclear-industry-bets-future-small-modular-reactors-nuscale-holtec-20190316.html
8 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 9:09am
- cmm
  
  Small modular sounds harmless but it is problematic because corners will have to be cut.
  
  Large power stations can spend more on control systems, maintenance, back up generators etc. They have tens of experienced EEs on each site.
  
  Your modular reactor won’t have any of that.
  
  7 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:25am
  - Swifty
    
    Hey cmm, ztev reckons you used to work for Muldoon.
    
    Any comment on that?
    
    1 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:28am
    - cmm
      
      ztev would know, he knows everything. I guess it must be true.
      
      1 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 8:13pm
      - Tall Man
        
        But, does he know he is a truly worthless arsehole….
        
        0 1
        Report
        March 17, 2019 9:18pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Actually at my youngest sons Cricket game yesterday one wag suggested that if anything the Climate Strike proved that we should put the age for voting UP!
  
  8 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sounds like an astute wag.
    
    1 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:19pm
Doug

Donald Trump Jr. is defending Chelsea Clinton after the former first daughter was blasted by NYU students who blamed her tweet for the New Zealand mosque attacks.
The Left is just crazy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donald-trump-jr-comes-to-chelsea-clintons-defense-after-nyu-video
18 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 9:25am
- Harkman
  
  I thought it was Don Trump Snr’s fault, we’ll that was according to One News last night.
  
  14 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:32am
- All_on_Red
  
  I’m bemused that they think Chelsea Clinton could have influence over anything!
  
  11 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:37am
  - marcw
    
    A very very very large slush fund, collected from gullible liberal sycophants who spend other peoples money to signal how they much they desire to be eligible for a cushy UN trough.
    
    7 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:24am
    - Jules99
      
      And NZ taxpayers….
      
      5 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 11:00am
- Southern Raider
  
  That’s the problem we now face re no criticism of Muslims will be allowed
  
  Omar is a fucken Jew hating nutter in a position of power and influence and akin to Linda Sarsour
  
  However as Omar and Sarsour are Muslims they will now be able to continue to spew their hate and unchecked it will escalate even more
  
  14 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:29am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’ve always believed the world is a circle.
    
    Take from that what you will.
    
    1 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:23pm
bill hicks

Have no seen this reported my NZ MSM …………….An Islamic terror threat was tweeted at New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, following the livestreamed massacre at two mosques on Friday.
The threat, posted to Twitter, warned that “revenge is coming” along with a gun painted in white wording similar to the gun used by the mosque shooter. An ISIS flag was visible behind the weapons.
13 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 9:29am
- Albert_Ross
  
  There are extremist nutcases an any community. We’ve established that.
  
  8 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:57am
- Viking2
  
  The alleged killer sent Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern a copy of his manifesto just minutes before the attack on Friday began, CNN reports.
  
  The email was sent to a “generic” account handled by staff and Ardern never saw it, chief press secretary Andrew Campbell said.
  
  CNN says the lengthy document contains “anti-immigrant anti-Muslim screeds”, while others have reported it also contains numerous jokes popular on the internet.
  
  The email was reportedly worded as though the massacre had already happened, and it was sent so soon before the attack, there would have been no chance to stop it.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/christchurch-terror-attacks-sunday-live-updates.html?fbclid=IwAR1ksRk5YJQF5ZjEJhq-nI65rzm4tpWTn3aP8fH5_1I6zwLF2zIhpqCOk8w
  
  6 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:28am
  - Komata
    
    V2@1028
    
    The obvious question: How did CNN (an American cable news network) get access to a supposedly-confidential email sent to the Prime Minister of a sovereign state?
    
    Surely there wouldn’t be leaks in high places?
    
    6 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 11:40am
    - sooty
      
      It was sent out to 70 odd media etc, but the NZH did not get one?
      
      5 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 11:54am
Ross12

This is interesting

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/ardern-given-manifesto-massacre

I cannot believe this guy acted alone. It was too well organised, the manifesto was too well written ( it was at least proof read by some one else , if no co written with others) and to go to level of sending it out as described in the article shows a knowledge of the key media people etc. Do you get all that knowledge over a few months acting on your own?
15 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 9:39am
- Tall Man
  
  Here since December 2017 on and off it seems.
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:40am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Applied for gun licence in November 2017 just after the election, but then anti immigration NZ First was in Government then, so coincidence?
    
    5 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:28am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What sort of job did he have to fund his extensive travel?
    
    4 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 12:09pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  This is amazing that the “manifesto” was sent to at least 70 people and none of them had briefly scanned it and exclaimed;
  “Far kin Hell!! We have a real nutter in our presence; please place, immediately, all police on extreme alert.”
  One part about this tragedy is that it seems to have taken the cops quite some time to react to the shooting. Almost everybody has a mobile phone and would have phoned the police once they heard shooting in an urban area such as Christchurch. But from my reading of most that happened it was quite some time before the police arrived at the Dean’s Avenue. Hopefully somebody can comment on this; maybe I have it wrong.
  
  6 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:22am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Further reading shows that I have got it partly wrong. The cops were on the scene near Linwood Road mosque by about 2 p.m.
    
    5 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 11:17am
  - SGA
    
    “Far kin Hell!! We have a real nutter in our presence; please place, immediately, all police on extreme alert.”
    
    I’ve had that reaction to certain posts on Kiwiblog, but I’ve never actually dailed 111. 🙂 🙂 🙂
    
    To be serious for a second, the problem is that this guy’s polemics may not stand out from a whole lot of other crap that’s on the internet, and, for all I know, sent to people in authority. It’s only after the fact that this guy stands out.
    
    To put it another way, if he’d joined Kiwiblog, his views on the environment and worker’s rights would have raised more eyebrows than his views on immigration and muslims.
    
    4 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 11:44am
    - SGA
      
      fwiw – I’m not saying his “actions” would be condoned here.
      
      1 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 11:52am
- rockape
  
  Thats my worry too.
  
  0 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:43am
Swifty

Among some otherwise good words, the express desire that ‘islamophobia’ be banned. I wonder to what degree this call will be picked up here:

https://youtu.be/QmFFPAGJ9qQ?t=615
3 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 9:41am
mjw

For those criticising “The Left” it might be a good idea to stop lumping together and demonising your political opponents as “The Left”. A moment’s reflection will tell you why … do you really want to be part of “The Right”, given what has just happened in New Zealand?

In fact, we are all just people with diverse views, flawed, hopeful, trying to do our best. Let’s respect each other and disagree with each other on an individual basis, and resist the urge to form false narratives about false groupings. No “Left” no “Right” just you and me. Ok?
4 17
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 9:45am
- Swifty
  
  We’ll do it when ‘the left’ stop using labels such as ‘pale, male and stale’, RWNJs and stop saying that whiteys are the cause of everything wrong in the world. 🙂
  
  19 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:48am
  - mjw
    
    Go on Swifty, give it a go. If you wait for everyone else to change first, then you’ll be last! We all have to try, and be an example to the holdouts on both sides.
    
    3 7
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:52am
    - Ross12
      
      mjw
      I agree with you, but by saying “do you really want to be part of “The Right”, given what has just happened in New Zealand?” you are implying the guy had political views of the “right” , so a “good” start on your part. He actually rejected conservatism and called himself an eco terrorist and said his views are more aligned with China and rejected Trumps policies ( part of the only mention of Trump in his manifesto “As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no..” )
      So lets all start again and try your idea.
      
      11 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:04am
    - Swifty
      
      I’ll do my best just for you mjw. 🙂
      
      5 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 10:16am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Some on the Left.
    
    0 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:57am
- Viking2
  
  Simply wasn’t being a righty. He nominated himself as an eco terrorist.
  
  Name a righty who has caused terror. Almost without fail they are lefties from Stalin to Hitler to pol pot and lookout for Corbyn.
  
  8 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:31am
  - sam green
    
    You are the problem.
    
    1 20
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:42am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      You’re not covering yourself with glory today Sam. You can do better argumentation and articulation than this.
      
      9 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 12:16pm
- rangitoto
  
  The guy is self proclaimed wild green type. Far left. Do you really want to be part of “The Left” mjw.
  
  8 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:42am
- Pascal
  
  I have no issue with being identified as right. I am not an extremist, I am a liberal who wants small government and little interference in my life from an authoritarian state.
  
  I also believe that a number of people who identify as “left” are doing irreparable harm by their actions over the last few days. They are eating away at our liberties, they are looking to put needless constraints on all people in New Zealand and doing so with a racially biased perspective.
  
  Do not try to paint this nutter as being of the “right”. He is not, by his own inference of the right. He belongs most accurately on the left by his mentors, the groups he associates with and who’s ideas he promulgates.
  
  He is a fascist, which can be anywhere on the political spectrum, he is a Green, he is beholden to unionism and worker rights, he is anti-market, anti-conservative, he believes that Communist China is the ideal state and his idol is a former UK Labour Prime Ministerial hopeful.
  
  Read his manifesto. He may have been insane, but it is cohesive and consistent in how he expresses his views.
  
  9 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 11:54am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Absolutely I want to be part of the Right. Look at my fucking handle….
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 6:01pm
Dave Mann

I find it heartwarming that when some foreign nutter comes to New Zealand and slaughters 49 innocent worshippers there is an almost universal outpouring of sympathy and support for the poor victims and their families. Even from people who have been vocal and critical of Islam for a variety of reasons.

This is hugely encouraging. It demonstrates that Kiwis are basically very decent people and it is a moral and proper response to this horrendous evil act.

It reminds me of the huge outpouring of empathy and support for victims which comes from the Muslim community every time there is an Islamic terrorist attack on the West.

So it is only right and proper that the government should immediately move to clamp down on free speech in response to this outrage. The people need to be protected from wicked and dangerous thoughts and who better than the government to do this? Above all, nobody should be allowed to read this psychopath’s ‘manifesto’ as it might give an insight into his sick mind. Much better to simply call him an anti-immigration conservative or some other equally murderous type.
15 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 10:02am
- thedavincimode
  
  Googling “KKK” would be just as effective in ascertaining this cunt’s manifesto.
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:17am
- Viking2
  
  It reminds me of the huge outpouring of empathy and support for victims which comes from the Muslim community every time there is an Islamic terrorist attack on the West.
  
  You jest of course.
  
  13 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:33am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Yup
    
    9 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:55am
- rightoverlabour
  
  well said. I do worry about the future of this country under the present “regime”.
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 5:59pm
dime

I was at the Vatican a couple of years ago (huge walls).

The ladies wore scarves. below the knee clothing. shoulders covered.

was fucking hot too.

covering up is not a big deal. however, if jacinda ignores other cultures requirements then she get can f’d.
6 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 10:14am
- fluffykiwi
  
  She we should be compliant in the country where the requirement is. The cultural requirements of a particular country should prevail. In NZ we do not have a requirement for head covering, yet. Hats on the head for women in Church has gone.
  
  9 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:16am
- Manolo
  
  I couldn’t agree more.
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:33am
- Jules99
  
  Catholics in a catholic country – no problem. In fact it’s not a requirement to cover your head, but many will. Note how Melania Trump, a Catholic, covered her head when meeting the Pope, but not when meeting the most powerful Muslim leaders in the world. Theresa May didn’t see the need to cover her head either.
  
  8 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:57am
- Southern Raider
  
  I’m sure she has been to a lot of mosques even before this
  
  Pretty sure she has never been to a synagogue
  
  3 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 11:00am
  - sooty
    
    Helen Clark did not go by the norm when she met the Queen!
    
    6 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 11:58am
fluffykiwi

Tuesday back to normal in the house, perhaps a rather subdued house. I can’t help wondering if when the going gets tough over the coming year the PM will put on a headscarf just to remind us and garner sympathy votes again. So now we have a toddler, and a headscarf that can be flaunted by our adoring MSM.
7 4
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 10:14am
dime

so, we have this psycho asshole. extreme leftist. he kills 49 innocent people. injures 50 more. disgusting.

but that now means I cant hold the views that we curb Muslim immigration? meh. I will never change those views.

there is a big difference between hate and saying – I believe that political system does not integrate well with western culture.
29 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 10:16am
- Swifty
  
  Dime, it would suit a lot of people if this event caused other people to now have to shut their mouths.
  
  That can’t happen.
  
  11 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:22am
- kiwiracer
  
  Good point. . .I learnt this week that there is an Islamic school in an office building in the middle of New Lynn, they also own the building, as the current tenancies end they are not being renewed and the occupants are relocating (coincidently one of the occupants is WINZ).
  
  Another example of integration (sic)
  
  10 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:35am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Don’t yet see what the point is that you seem to think you are proving with this anecdote?
    
    1 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 12:18pm
    - kiwiracer
      
      What’s wrong with attending a NZ state school?
      
      3 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 12:48pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Thought our state schools were nothing but feminist-infested lefty indoctrination factories?
        
        1 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 1:57pm
    - starboard
      
      Heres a point.
      
      Fit in or fuck off.
      
      1 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 12:59pm
      - kiwiracer
        
        Exactly, you get the point.
        For the last two days we have been told about one NZ and all living together.
        They may live in NZ but they live a parallel existence with their own beliefs, a lot of them don’t mind our welfare though.
        
        8 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 1:22pm
      - starboard
        
        ” told about one NZ and all living together.”
        
        maori can take notice as well, FI or FO.
        
        3 2
        Report
        March 17, 2019 1:42pm
  - Pascal
    
    That doesn’t mean it has anything to do with integration. The school may be expanding and wanting to use the entire building for their facilities.
    
    1 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 1:14pm
    - kiwiracer
      
      Why have the school in the first place, there are plenty of schools in the area.
      
      3 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 1:23pm
- Jules99
  
  Problem is moderate people are now driven to extremist sites because they are not allowed to talk in the mainstream. That’s a step in the wrong direction.
  
  11 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:53am
  - dime
    
    Exactly, shut down free speech and it goes underground.
    
    8 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 10:55am
Scooter

He’s a gutless prick to come to NZ to do this.
11 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 10:19am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Yes and must hate NZers with a passion.
  
  10 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 11:55am
  - sooty
    
    Yes, you have to remember he was a foreiger, who thought we were a soft touch!
    It could have been any other nationality, we were still a soft touch!
    
    6 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 12:05pm
    - Jack5
      
      An Aussie a foreigner? C’mon.
      
      That’s not what us Kiwis say when we queue up, visa exempt, entering Australian airports.
      
      4 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 2:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        Tarrant seems to have fitted in without problems in Dunedin, and to have fitted in very well at the Milton Gun Club.
        
        But his world trips, the Serbian music he played on the way to his murder rampage, the Bulgarian wording on at least some of his weapons, and his use of the internet, even while he killed, surely brand Tarrant as an international terrorist.
        
        9 0
        Report
        March 17, 2019 2:40pm
backster

Is this not the thread where annually I express my homage to St. Paddy by wishing everyone Happy St Patrick’s Day and may the green be close to your heart..
12 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 10:29am
- Inandout
  
  The Irish lads have cancelled St Pat’s Day, something to do with ‘security’. I can see Anzac Day being cancelled as well.
  
  8 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:53am
- waikatogirl
  
  Hope you managed a Guiness today backster?
  As we were in Ireland a few months ago we might raise a wee glass of Jamieson’s to celebrate.
  Happy St Paddy’s to you too. ☘️?
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 6:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Paddy’s is good as well.
    
    1 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:37pm
Manolo

The shallow Macron under siege.
https://www.apnews.com/73e7376d4ada4675bd31ea3ae4034c8d

French yellow vest protesters set life-threatening fires, smashed up luxury stores in Paris and clashed with police Saturday in the 18th straight weekend of demonstrations against President Emmanuel Macron. Large plumes of smoke rose above the rioting on Paris’ landmark Champs-Elysees avenue, and a mother and her child were just barely saved from a building blaze.
9 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 10:32am
- fluffykiwi
  
  This is what happens when people are not listened to. However are these protesters the majority? The majority are who should be listened to. The others should try by normal peaceful methods to persuade people to their point of view. Otherwise you have anarchy.
  
  8 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 10:43am
- Southern Raider
  
  And are the yellow vests alt right?
  
  More radical left but that’s okay
  
  5 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 11:03am
Lee C

To add context to my earlier remark. Of course it is only fitting that Ardern adopts correct dress if she is to visit a mosque, or mix with muslims for whom covering her hair is considered proper.
What affected me was the sudden arrival of soft-focus pics of Jacinda looking like Mother Theresa on fb with people being ‘so proud of our leader’ written below it.
It was like grievance-porn or something – where do these kinds of picture originate, I wonder? If they originate from Ardern’s publicity department, whether she ok’s them or not, that is a bit questionable – was my point.
15 2
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 11:22am
- sooty
  
  I bet she would be pissed if Dave appered at her shoulder!
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 12:08pm
  - sooty
    
    Don’ty ou people read Holysheet at 8.15 this morning? What a boring lot you are!
    
    4 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 5:58pm
- BeaB
  
  She was at Hagley College.
  She knows how to woo the corwd.
  
  5 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 2:58pm
Southern Raider

Has anyone else noticed the amount of articles that Herald is publishing that are criticising the NZ security services, that NZ was naive or NZ was focused on Maori radicals and Muslims instead of white people?

Have a look who has written the original articles. Vast majority are from overseas like Daily Telegraph and Washington Post. WTF do they know about the NZ situation and local threats
10 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 11:25am
- Jack5
  
  One is from a law professor at Waikato University.
  
  One of the courses he takes is “Laws of Armed Conflict & International Humanitarian Law”.
  
  The problem is that terrorists are outside these laws, and those fighting them seem to be hamstrung, and even later persecuted, by and under the same laws.
  
  9 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 11:34am
Viking2

So lets look on the fun side of life.
It’s St Paddys day even if you didn’t know so.
So here’s a little history of Ireland. (and probably why they are so cantankerous. 😆
https://ireland-calling.com/the-vikings-in-ireland-essential-timeline/?fbclid=IwAR20p92lQ11iSe0GC5EzLAd7HpQki28d6HAaVnAaTKEpCPXgKxuqx7mAH7A
5 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 11:27am
- Jack5
  
  That’s interesting, Viking2. Seems damn near everybody these days wants to be of Viking descent, and I note your pseudonym.
  
  But to mark St Patrick’s Day, a sad Irish song, written in recent times, but adopted by Irish rugby-sports crowds. From the words it might appeal to Aussies, and to many of us in NZ, too. ☘ ☘ ☘
  
  https://youtu.be/_NlrsmEvv1Q
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 11:39am
  - holysheet
    
    I like Foster and Allen singing it better.
    
    2 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 2:19pm
Southern Raider

Gun sales of semi autos go through the roof in NZ shops since Cindy’s comments

Who would have thought
16 2
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 11:30am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Obama Effect
  
  6 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 12:40pm
mikenmildagain

I commented above about the vigil in Wellington this evening. The venue has been changed to the Basin Reserve. Still at 6 pm.
10 5
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 12:38pm
- Jack5
  
  How did the vigil go, Milky? Were you able to tear yourself away from Kiwiblog for a couple of hours?
  
  2 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:11pm
rightoverlabour

On civilian gun ownership. There is a country that virtually has every household with a male in it armed with a military fully automatic weapon. It’s also a country that does not feature regularly in the news with respect to either gun massacres, or terrorist attacks. This country essentially disproves the meme that more guns = more gun violence which the lefty soft cocks are trying to force down our throats.

The country is, of course, Switzerland, one where new immigrants are expected to assimilate or fuck off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45232147
9 4
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 2:06pm
- Harriet
  
  Yep you are allowed to purchase your weapon after you have completed military training and keep it at home.
  
  And primary school kids have to walk to school and walk home to socialise them. They also have to do so at lunch time, meaning that a parent or guardian[usually a grandmother or aunt or retired neighbour] feeds and communicates with them. Neighbour hoods are neighbour hoods in Switzerland.
  
  1 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 7:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  Within our extended family we have a member with family in Switzerland.
  
  My son was amused to notice when there that the family kept their fully automatic weapon in the umbrella stand by the front door.
  
  The really impressive stuff was in the basement.
  
  Switzerland has low muslim immigration with a projected level just over 5% in 2050. Sweden on the other hand is projected to reach 30+%.
  
  http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/pf_11-29-17_muslims-update-23/
  
  2 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:46pm
rightoverlabour

By the way is that fuck Muttonbird still spewing vile, racist shit all over this blog?
18 3
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 2:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  Yep, without respite.
  
  We are obviously more tolerant that the world he wants to bring in.
  
  3 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 9:41pm
Manolo

A dinosaur wants to run.
https://news.yahoo.com/joe-biden-almost-announces-running-president-004945084.html

The former vice president’s speech was the keynote of the First State Democratic Dinner at the Dover Downs Hotel and Casino. Biden’s appearance in his home state came amid mounting rumors and speculation he will enter the 2020 presidential race.
5 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 2:50pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Doesn’t the guy understand that being three years older than Trump disqualifies him?
  
  2 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 7:31pm
billr

I see on stuff and newsroom that there’s been panic buying of semi-automatic guns.

When they are outlawed, they can be sold for scrap.

Serves these wingnuts right.

we don’t need these things. they have to go.
1 12
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 3:33pm
- Inandout
  
  Yes bill, Cindy has that matter in hand as we speak.
  
  8 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 3:47pm
  - billr
    
    I am guessing that you are being sarcastic. if not,
    forgive me.
    
    Either way, it’s excellent news, let’s hope she follows through on that.
    
    1 11
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 3:55pm
    - Inandout
      
      billr, they will make a stupendous announcement tomorrow that a Firearms Working Party has been set up. That will satisfy Winston and the guys who go dear hunting.
      
      3 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I think she’s outlawing Ferrari and Lamborghini as well as they are not needed and she can’t afford one…..yet.
      
      What I buy is none of your fucking business as long as it is legal.
      
      Now off you go sonny.
      
      2 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 9:49pm
JibberJabber

Cactus Kate on Fire!
Read it then read it again.
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/

The media have refused to publish Brenton Tarrant’s manifesto online and they’re doing that for a reason that is very sinister. Because if they did publish it online they couldn’t cherry pick quotes to suit their sensationalist headlines. You would read it and decide on Brenton Tarrant for yourselves.
15 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 5:49pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Absolutely, the guy identifies more with LEFT extremism than right, but they are desperate to pin this on “Right Wing Extremism”. The shutting down of access to information needs to be rebuffed and once again possibly made an election issue.
  
  14 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 5:56pm
  - Jack5
    
    Good on Cactus Kate!
    
    Kate enticed me to have a read. The manifesto is fairly tightly edited, with an interesting question-and-answer format complete with neat underlining for the questions.
    
    The writing is too tidy in construction and setting out to be solely that of a fanatic of Tarrant’s background.
    
    There’s even a touch of humour, as in:”What is an Australian, but a drunk European?”
    
    Surely some uncredited editorial helper is having a bigger joke when Tarrant is saying he expects some day to be awarded a Nobel Prize. Is the unseen editor laughing at Tarrant? Or at us? Or at everybody?
    
    Tarrant gives an explanation as to why the massacre was not a suicide attack:
    
    “Survival was a better alternative to death in order to further spread my ideas by media coverage, and deplete resources from the state by my imprisonment.”
    
    Let’s hope an elderly John Campbell totters into a prison visiting room 20 years from now and asks Tarrant if he still thinks that.
    
    4 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:05pm
sooty

Just seen Fraser Annon on tv giving a speech. Some young fellow hit him in the head from close range with a raw egg and got a buff in responce! Bloody good job! Buy Fraser Annon a beer, well done sir!
9 7
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 5:53pm
- starboard
  
  The little shit that egged him said he was “attacked by 30 bogans.”
  Liar. I saw the video.
  I counted 3.
  Liar.
  
  6 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 7:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Assault by a pathetic little worm from the left is to be encouraged, lawful defense is not as you are not of the left…
    
    Where do they think that will lead us?
    
    2 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 9:51pm
    - starboard
      
      As with all lefties..they lie, its in their DNA.
      
      1 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 18, 2019 1:35am
Southern Raider

I see Canterbury Rugby is now having to defend the Crusaders name after calls from several people to drop it in light of the attacks

It’s started already

Do we need to remove the Crusaders from history books as well
15 2
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 6:36pm
- MrTips
  
  Also, in breaking news, out of respect and fear of offence to all Australian and Pacific rugby teams, the Hurricanes are changing their name to the GentleBreeze. It’s also understood the Blues (to depressives) and Chiefs (to Native American Indians) are considering peak silliness as well.
  
  12 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 6:58pm
- Jack5
  
  If they want to cause a serious backlash against Muslims, forcing a name change on the Crusaders would be a good start.
  
  Next multiculturists will want bacon and pork taken out of supermarkets.
  
  Does anyone-else think TVNZ is turning this tragedy into a telethon, with bombardment and re-bombardment of details down to trivia, and with civilised sympathy and empathy exaggerated to neurotic level?
  
  Has it been rivalled since TVNZ gave Paul Holmes a North Korean scale send-off?
  
  16 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 7:01pm
  - MrTips
    
    I don’t think we’ve reached peak silliness but agree TV + media are looking to exploit it for all its worth. They are despicable for they don’t give a shit really. None of what they are trying to do is going to help the victims. Can’t stand it and have decided to avoid it.
    
    8 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 7:08pm
  - DigNap15
    
    If they don’t like the name Crusaders, then why go to Christchurcm,
    And why come to New Zealand at all.
    
    8 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 7:50pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Haven’t been watching it. Just watched the Melbourne GP. Nice win for Merc/Bottas and good to see Honda finally back on the podium for the first time since their f1 return.
    
    1 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:13pm
- Jack5
  
  There’s also a Saracens Rugby Club in Canterbury.
  
  The Saracens were the Muslim armies under Saladin who fought the Crusaders.
  
  If the name Crusaders has to, then, so will the name Saracens have to go.
  
  If the Super 8 franchise drops the name Crusaders, I doubt it will ever again have the same fan following.
  
  If the idea of a name change is coming withing Crusaders’ management team, kick out the lot of them.
  
  7 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 7:45pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    NZs most English city is about to become very PC
    
    Wait until crosses in public places stop disappearing
    
    ANZAC Day must also be at risk
    
    8 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 7:55pm
- DigNap15
  
  They Crusaders should be celebated in history,
  Its a shame they did not finish the job.
  
  Western people need to stand up for their history.
  
  9 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 7:53pm
  - Jack5
    
    RNZ’s Red Radio seems to be the big pusher for the demise of “Crusaders” from rugby. No surprise there.
    
    Rumours are of possible replacement names include: Canterbury Kaffirs (nice alliteration); the Cameleers (could replace the sword swinging knights at home games with camels); the Mamalukes (white slaves of the Ottoman states); the Mahdi Mob (imagine Razor Robertson breakdancing in a thobe).
    
    More likely, the Maorifiers of Red Radio will push for macronation: Mangō taniwha (white sharks); Ōtautahi (Maori for Christchurch); or Ōtākaro (Avon River, whose English name comes from the Ayrshire origin of the Deans pioneer family of All Blacks and Crusader fame); or Ōpāwaho (Heathcote River), or Hutupōro Kairākau (rugby warriors).
    
    Anyone got an idea for a new sport we can follow?
    
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/384927/crusaders-respond-to-criticism-of-name-in-light-of-attacks
    
    3 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 18, 2019 12:25am
waikatogirl

Are the taxpayer subsidising airfares after Grant Robertson intervened and demanding that AirNZ lower airfares for those affected by Friday’s tragedy, or is AirNZ absorbing the loss because the Finance Minister demanded they do?
Asking for a friend.

Also ImmigrationNZ are making concessions for those affected and who wish to stay in NZ but are currently not residents.
9 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 7:11pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m not sure which is more appalling; The finance minister directing a company’s pricing, or the lack of concern from NZers that he’s done this. Have we become this desensitised to political interference in public markets? I suspect Hugo Chavez’s early actions were to ‘direct’ markets, ones he layer nationalised ‘for the greater good’
  
  11 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 7:24pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Good grief.
    
    0 10
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 7:27pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    My thoughts too kk.
    Strange times we are living in.
    
    4 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 8:00pm
Southern Raider

We now have TVNZ and other media broadcasting and promoting gangs doing Haka’s to support the terrorist victims

I’m sure on a normal day these same gang members wouldn’t hesitate to assault or steal from these same people
15 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 7:16pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  So for you, this must be a powerful symbol of our country’s unity in the face of terror.
  
  0 14
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  March 17, 2019 7:26pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    It’s not unity. It’s called marketing by the gangs so they can appear moderate and caring
    
    They are probably also happy that across the country all the Police attention is diverted from their meth cooking
    
    14 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    March 17, 2019 7:35pm
    - Harriet
      
      And they don’t want a crack down on their weapons, violence and standover tactics.
      
      There is no way legal gun owners will accept new gun laws without criminals being ruthlessly targeted.
      
      Cindy don’t know what she’s up against. 😎
      
      8 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      March 17, 2019 7:48pm
      - Harriet
        
        Be in possession of ANY gun during ANY crime and it’s a mandatory 5yr sentence. The same just for possession of an illegal weapon.
        
        No if’s or buts.
        
        3 1
        Report
        March 17, 2019 7:56pm
Southern Raider

Newshub says that Labour has been urgently drafting new anti gun laws over the weekend with a view to getting them to Cabinet tomorrow

Nothing like due progress
7 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 7:51pm
DigNap15

And search all mosques and take their weapons!
4 2
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 7:51pm
Southern Raider

Now seeing calls for all comments sections in MSM to have verified names, addresses etc

The Police state is coming to NZ and the moderates are being dragged along happily by the radical left

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out and take a few days off
12 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:13pm
Fletch

The Who‘s Roger Daltrey not holding back on Brexit –

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1106986526267920385/video/1
3 1
Log in to Reply
Report
March 17, 2019 8:42pm
mark15

No mandatory sentencing or three strikes,Mr Nash says judges need to have the freedom to be appropriate with sentencing.Even after the first two times.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
March 18, 2019 4:54pm

Add a Comment Cancel reply

Login to comment or vote

« I support gun law changes

Extremism is the enemy »

Donations

You can now donate to Kiwiblog

Exclusive content from DPF on Patreon

Become a Patron!

Never miss a post

Email Address

Join 37.4K other subscribers

Highlights

Health Target 5 – elective treatments
Health Target 4 – Specialist appointments
Health Target 3 – Emergency Dept Waiting Times
Health Target 2 – Immunisations

Links

Justice in Brazil
No Right Turn
"Seymour is only doing openly what M?ori nationalists and their Pakeha allies have been doing, quietly for the past 50 years."
Not PC
Daily review 22/11/2024
The Standard
Do the KCs believe in democracy
Utopia
More young offenders will get boot camp, bus drivers will get some protection – and there’s relief for southern farmers
Point of Order
Your Cheatin’ Ballot III: Pennsylvania Right Now
No Minister
Sowell says
Hompaddock
New Zealand government urged to back ICC arrest warrants for Israeli leaders without equivocation
The Daily Blog
The transgender agenda sunk Kamala
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
What does “reciprocity” mean in New Zealand laws?
Croaking Cassandra
A Day of Reckoning
NZCPR
Media Link: “A View from Afar” on the US elections.
Kiwipolitico
This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz

editor@kiwiblog.co.nz

PO Box 12270, Thorndon, Wellington 6144

Facebook
Twitter
FourSquare
Instagram
LinkedIn
Google+

Archives
Disclosure Statement
Editorial Policy
Privacy Policy
Complaints Policy
Comments Policy

Design by cre8d