General Debate 12 March 2019

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duggledog

I read ‘Sir Michael Cullen’s’ post yesterday and with respect because he’s a funny guy I believe it’s a load of codswallop.

National are extremely likely to govern alone in 2020. Just cos it hasn’t happened under MMP doesn’t mean it won’t. MMP is about 20 minutes old. This is the worst, dumbest most inept Administration New Zealand may have ever had in its entire history.

All National have to do is:

Tell NZers Jacinta wants to tax Lotto and their Kiwisaver accounts
Rule out working with Peters
Remind the public that Jacinta’s coalition partner think it’s OK to use the word C**t in front of little kids and want to tax the family home
Keep the Sroubek thing on ice, maybe drop the intel right about now next year (cos it’s a beauty)
Remind NZers each and every household would have had the thick end of $10,000 in tax cuts by now but they pissed it away
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March 12, 2019 8:01am
- Southern Raider
  
  Also National needs a website of
  – broken promises
  – fuck ups
  – left crooks like MuTu
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:10am
  - Viking2
    
    The Nats. also need to get their head around drug laws, charter schools and moving the unions on or even better vouchers for education and health, Selling stuff the taxpayer doesn’t need to pay for,like school buildings, hospital buildings, radio stations, TV stations, et al.
    
    Lots for them to do to earn the votes.
    
    And don’t forget water and the racist minority.
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:26am
    - Twinkletoes
      
      Plus the financial and social impact of the UN Compact. Long waiting lists wait till these guys arrive. For us there will be no list at all – refugees will always be the priority because most of them have acute conditions (mental and physical), some not seen here before.
      
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      March 12, 2019 12:03pm
- KevOB
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:17am
- Colinxy
  
  It’s not a long term strategy, i.e. if it walking alone in 2020 works, I doubt it will work again in 2023.
  
  I thought Key was clever at the time in 2008 for including the then un-needed Maori Party (ACT and Peter Dunne were enough at the time).
  
  It appears the CGT will sink the COL in 2020 but voters will have forgotten that spectre in 2023 (unless Labour-Greens re-purpose the CGT as their main policy but I doubt they will).
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:30am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    ” i.e. if it walking alone in 2020 works, I doubt it will work again in 2023.”
    Strategy:
    Win the electorate votes:
    1. With each electorate, you get a funded office and your opponent doesn’t (and need to fund it themselves)
    2. Make sure your electorate office is ALWAYS staffed and that you are there, working in your local community, OFTEN.
    Giving yourself the advantage of visibility.
    Achieve this by:
    1. Choosing candidates this year. (yes that means hard work…so what)
    2. Get those candidates out into the community and visible. Doing something useful, not just shaking hands and kissing babies.
    Candidates, especially new ones, attend council meetings, find out what YOUR electorate NEEDS and WANTS. Feed that back to your team in parliament, get it in the public eye.
    Get your thoughts and feelings into local press.
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:02am
    - Tall Man
      
      Campaigning 101 you mean 🙂
      
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      March 12, 2019 10:08am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Too much focus on the short term tactics
        ie party vote
        Yes that wins elections but
        we need to build a culture and a permanence. We are doing well and have done for years, but are about 3%-5% short of that.
        Party votes get you in now, electorate votes keep you there.
        Leave the short term thinking to Labour etc
        
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        March 12, 2019 10:40am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        But start NOW.
        
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        March 12, 2019 10:41am
radvad

I see the socialist Democrat wunderkind Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has claimed that minorities in the USA are treated like garbage. This despite a minority member having just served two terms as President.

https://www.rt.com/usa/453466-aoc-garbage-reagan-america-cortez/

Anyway, this got me thinking. Maybe Trump does not need a wall after all. He could just send AOC and her fellow travellers to the border to warn all would be migrants of the terrible lives they would have if they crossed the border. I am sure that would have them all scuttling back to the paradise they came from.
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March 12, 2019 8:01am
- Harkman
  
  Exactly, I was sent a 1970s Milton Friedman speech recently where he said if the robber barons were exploiting all the poor etc why did people keep immigrating to America in droves in the late 19th century. The leftist revision didn’t make sense upon closer scrutiny.
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:38am
- Komata
  
  radvad@0801
  
  In respect of Ms Cortez (AOC) and her co-conspirators in Congress, this might be of interest.
  
  Make of it what you will, but it does seem feasible and certainly seems to explain some of her actions:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd87b-8afCM
  
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  March 12, 2019 11:11am
kevn

Great to hear JA dancing on the head of a pin (again) with her Hosking interview this morning.
Hosking would seem to interpret ‘the cabinet manual’ more correctly than her.
JA giving jones lots of wriggle room. Beholden to him I guess.
Just more dead rat swallowing.
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March 12, 2019 8:06am
- G152
  
  She pisses Jones off Peters walks and shes back in opposition..
  You go girl
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:21am
  - holysheet
    
    That’s in the long term plan of the drunken dwarf.
    Come next year, he will create a crisis, causing them to leave the COL and before the next election say that he couldn’t take it anymore.
    Then you will get the likes of Chucky who will take this as a sign of change and revert back to their old ways and vote for the drunk prick again.
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:34am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Holy, your view is not shared by many National MPs or active National Party members. I will be doing things to help get National elected unlike you.
      
      It will cost me about $1,000 to attend the National AGM in Christchurch as a delegate. I will probably donate more than that. What are you doing besides commenting on KB?
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:47am
      - Pascal
        
        Voting National rather than New Zealand First, probably.
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:57am
    - cmm
      
      At first I thought this was a holy joke and I was too thick to get the punchline.
      
      I think you’re likely right, because that’s the big win for Winston First.
      
      If he pulls the “savior” stunt now he will lose and not have an baubles. The CoL falls apart. Maybe a Labour/Green CoL would be able to pull it together and Winston First is history.
      
      The best for Winston is to bide his time. Grab all the baubles he can until, say, April 2020. Then he shanks Labour and saves us from ourselves.
      
      No doubt he’ll also put the boot in to National: they had 3 years in opposition to sort out Labour but didn’t do it. I had to do this! I’m the best!
      
      Winnie gets forgiven. Rises in the polls and sets himself up as kingmaker again….
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:55am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Holy
      If he has a tanty and walks, then all National has to do is string him along until a month before the Election and then do what Key did.
      Count him out. The dumbasses who thought he would ‘keep National honest’ won’t support him then.
      Job done- he’ll be gone. (Again)
      
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      March 12, 2019 9:14am
    - Lizziep
      
      I certainly hope National will start their move on the drunken little man sooner rather than later, but leaving it till the last minute to say they have no intention of forming a COL with him may be a great idea.
      
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      March 12, 2019 10:36am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Peters walks to where?
    Do you really imagine him giving up his baubles?
    If he withdraws support for Labour he’d be forced to eat rats for the rest of his natural.
    National would lose their voter base overnight if they let that scum into their fold.
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:44am
    - holysheet
      
      The Nats aren’t too fussy if they accept the likes of Chucky as a delegate, but then we are talking about Ngaruawahia. Not a lot of national supporters from that shit hole town to choose from.
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:53am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Holy, it is you that will help Peters stay in government.
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:06am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        Ngaruawahia is in the Waikato electorate which stretches from south of Te Poi to Tuakau. It is as National as one can get.
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:11am
      - dime
        
        “The Nats aren’t too fussy if they accept the likes of Chucky as a delegate,”
        
        ouch. a little harsh?
        
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        March 12, 2019 10:06am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Holy, if the Nats knew your pseudonym they may not what you as a member. You are a nasty and cowardly piece of work. I would like to see you come to the local and say Ngaruawahia is a shit hole.
        
        It is not just about me but hoping MPs you do not like will die is sick.
        
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        March 12, 2019 12:05pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        How do you know?
        
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        March 12, 2019 2:55pm
- sooty
  
  Shec an not do a darn thing about him!
  He’s part of Whinneys baubles!
  She tries, they walk!
  End of the COL!
  Would she risk an election?
  Better get out and sprinkle some more glitter on the turd. Or cast spells into the cauldren!
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:23am
  - septic skeptic
    
    On current polling they could toss Winnie overboard and get three more years with just the watermelons.
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:41am
    - Tall Man
      
      Polling is just that, it is not an election.
      
      All the guns comes out during an election campaign and labour have shot all theirs’. “Nine long years of neglect” has worn thin. What’s left, “Simon’s nasty to jacinda the liar”…..
      
      “We’ve nearly planted a billion tree…we’re only 975,000,000 short”…
      
      “We’ve nearly built 100,000 houses….we’re onlt 959,000 short”….
      
      “Unemployment is up…but only because they don’t want to work….”
      
      “Immigration is just a tad over the 10,000 we promised, only 65,000….”
      
      Their guns are as empty as their skulls.
      
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      March 12, 2019 9:40am
      - kowtow
        
        The problem is the empty skulls that swing vote to Labour.
        
        Before Little was rolled they were on mid 20’s support . When Fairy Dust Princess came in they went up some 10% , without any policy announcements .
        
        There are some very stupid people out there.
        
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        March 12, 2019 11:00am
      - Tall Man
        
        You are right, there are some very stupid people out there but you can fool all of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.
        
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        March 12, 2019 11:08am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Peters controls the fate of the coalition. If Ardern upsets him, he will throw his toys as he did with Jenny Shipley, and the coalition will collapse. Her only alternative is to tolerate Jones’ clear conflict of interest and the stench of corruption and collusion it has created. But that will hurt her too.
  
  Bolger barely survived sacking Peters as a Minister in 1992. He just won re-election in 1993, then had to go into coalition with Peters in 1996. Shipley did not survive sacking Peters as a Minister in 1998, and Helen Clark did not survive standing Peters down as Foreign Minister in 2008.
  
  Winston Peters had brought down every government he has been a part of, one way or another. There is no reason to suspect that anything has changed in 2019, and I predict it is a matter of when, not if, the coalition government implodes.
  
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  March 12, 2019 10:11am
Captain Mainwaring

Hosking tore the princess a new one this morning. She won’t be a happy camper at QT this afternoon (if she turns up).
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March 12, 2019 8:08am
- Aunty
  
  By now she must be a woman of many arseholes.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:15am
  - sooty
    
    Is she going to work today?
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:24am
    - hullkiwi
      
      What you mean she’s got no more concert tickets to hand out to 12 year old boys in Napier (or other provincial city, you chose as long as it is not Wellington)?
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:30am
      - alex Masterley
        
        Apparently she visited Mount Albert Grammar last Friday. Apart from one mention on the school website no other comment. Even my oldest who attends that school made no mention.
        It would seem that she and others like Robertson and Twyford are keeping their heads down and not making public statements. Probably following the old advise that it is better to keep one’s mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it and confirm that one is in fact a fool.
        
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        March 12, 2019 8:39am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Keeping her head down?
        Nope.
        
        https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/lifestyle/career/jacinda-ardern-motherhood-marriage-guilt-40727
        
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        March 12, 2019 10:58am
  - Peter S
    
    Aunty, please be polite, it is a woman of the Labour Caucus. ?
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:54am
    - Peter S
      
      I am guessing the down ticker did not spot the implication about the Labour Caucus.
      
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      March 12, 2019 9:07am
  - Chris R
    
    Aunty: Many many arseholes…The Greenie ones, the Winston ones then Twyford, Curran, Lees-Galloway, Robertson etc.. All arseholes paid far in excess of their talents and work ethics.
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:21am
- macdee
  
  anyone got the reference to this, missed it unfortunately, listening to Espiner pin her (nice conceit) on Red Radio
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:30am
  - oob
    
    Let me second the request for a link.
    
    I only caught the second half where Hosking was dealing to her on Kiwibuild. She was obviously flustered from the kicking he’d given her over Shane Jones’ corruption in the first segment.
    
    At one point Hosking was pulling Taxinda up for her nonsense and all she could petulantly pout was “I’m happy to let you debate by yourself Mike but I actually have a contribution to make” or words to that effect.
    
    No you don’t you vacuous, vapid, incompetent, silly little bitch.
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:45am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Mike was being a meanie by pointing out that 74 houses is not a massive intervention in the housing market, more than any previous government has ever done.
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:50am
    - alloytoo
      
      I imagine National staffers listen to her Hosking interviews with some glee, good fodder for question time.
      
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      March 12, 2019 9:34am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Hosking absolutely aced that interview, as evidenced by his comment after the interview ended that “and we didn’t even get to the CGT!”
      
      This Labour-led government is a living, breathing trainwreck. Kiwibuild has now built 79 houses according to MBIE, but only 37 of those have been sold. The CGT debacle speaks for itself. There are plenty of scandals in health, especially David Clark’s arbitrary decision not to vaccinate every child in Northland against the new strain of meningitis. Hipkins’ education reforms have already run into difficulties, and despite the Families Package last year, 64,000 children have NOT been “lifted out of poverty” as the PM promised.
      
      I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Ardern stops her Tuesday morning interview round shortly; she is getting kicked from pillar to post by interviewers like Hosking and Espiner, who see past the stardust and the bulldust. Even Barry Soper has had some of the scales fall from his eyes.
      
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      March 12, 2019 10:19am
      - Batman
        
        Technical point: Kiwibuild hasn’t built any houses. They have purchased 79 houses from developers who were building them anyway.
        
        To date, we are yet to see a single, as originally intended, Kiwibuild house.
        
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        March 12, 2019 1:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/ZB/auckland/2019.03.12-07.30.00-D.mp3
  
  http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/ZB/auckland/2019.03.12-07.45.00-D.mp3
  
  Hard to listen to without vomiting…
  
  I hate to say it but…
  
  ardern is a liar
  
  Who in their right mind can support this person?
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, Jacinda Ardern is now donkey deep in running protection for Shane Jones.
    
    She should be distancing herself from this obvious breach of Cabinet rules.
    
    She is being badly advised.
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:27am
    - KevOB
      
      She only takes advice from her mirror. Her well of ideological feelingz is too deep to allow any other.
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      March 12, 2019 1:02pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Does Um-Ah-Dern return an image in a mirror?
        I’ve heard her kind don’t.
        
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        March 12, 2019 3:28pm
holysheet

Seeing on TV news the airline crash in Ethiopia last night, I turned to Mrs Holy and said “That’s a shame, all those UN troughers being killed. It’s just a pity Jimmy two mums, Cindy and the drunken dwarf weren’t on the same flight”
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March 12, 2019 8:09am
- harvey wilson
  
  Meh, being alive they are the worst possible advertisement for their party and their politics.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:11am
- Nukuleka
  
  Maybe a little more charity might be in evidence, holy. We can disagree vigorously with the political views or whatever of such folk but to wish them an unpleasant death is unnecessary and simply gives the left evidence that we are the ‘nasty people’- which just ain’t so!
  
  It’s not as if there is any evidence of irony or humour in your post. Just malice.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:14am
  - holysheet
    
    As I intended it to have.
    Fuck this bunch of wankers that we have fucking up our country.
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:18am
    - sooty
      
      Just as well Chris Carter is home!
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:25am
    - stigie
      
      Remember holy, half of the people in NZ do not know what’s going on, it’s bloody pathetic really when the media concentrate only on the fluffy shit like Jacinduh visiting primery schools and not the things that truely matter to NZs !~
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:33am
      - MCos
        
        That would be ‘primary’
        
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        March 12, 2019 8:38am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Way more than half don’t know what is going on stigie.
        
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        March 12, 2019 8:40am
  - Muttonbird
    
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    Simply gives the left evidence that we are the ‘nasty people’- which just ain’t so!
    
    Umm…yes, it is.
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:38am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Do you think welfarism is “kind”? What positives has intergenerational welfare delivered to NZ?
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:42am
      - SGA
        
        Then again, looking back it hasn’t really made that much difference to that issue whoever we’ve had as a government.
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:00am
      - Tall Man
        
        I’m not sure sga where you get your bitterness from.
        
        WFF was clark/cullen’s gambit for re-election in 2005. By 2008 it was entrenched and rather difficult to roll back especially with the arrival of a GFC and a couple of significant natural disasters.
        
        The “targeted: welfare that Sir William English was pushing through had already made significant changes to welfare delivery within NZ.
        
        Charter schools were gaining traction and results and all this was being done within a budget.
        
        NZ is a “welfare state” and I thought National were slowly eroding the mentality that many have whereas labour/greens are expanding that mentality.
        
        If you cannot see a difference then you are blind.
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:12am
      - Stephen James
        
        * Marriage breakups
        * Molested children
        * Murdered children
        * Good men forced away from their children
        * Bad men swooping in on the children of others
        * Thousands upon thousands of useless women
        * Children destined to be criminals
        * Hard workers working harder and being screwed
        * Good people working longer
        * Good people missing time with their children
        * Losers having all the time to influence children
        etc…. etc…. etc….
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:44am
      - SGA
        
        Disagree, Tall Man. In my opinion, over the last 50 years successive National and Labour Governments have made little major or significant headway on the issue of intergenerational welfare dependence (which is what we are talking about). That’s not “bitterness” (not exactly sure what you mean by that, but whatever), just my assessment of what I see.
        
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        March 12, 2019 10:59am
      - Tall Man
        
        SGA, I have stated that we are a “welfare state” but the previous government was laking a difference and I see no reason that the National Government of 2020 will do any less.
        
        It cannot be done overnight and the “expectation” of bottom feeders has been raised by ardern the liar and her ilk.
        
        Slowly slowly catchy monkey is a good plan. An instant and radical change would benefit no one. You need to pick a side, support that side and stick with it.
        
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        March 12, 2019 11:12am
      - SGA
        
        It cannot be done overnight … Slowly slowly catchy monkey is a good plan…
        
        … the cheque is in the mail 🙂
        
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        March 12, 2019 11:27am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Muttonbird you’ve stated that you want people murdered in the past . You really shouldn’t wade into this with your extensive history of lying and other disgusting behaviour.
      
      I do understand your need to distract yourself from the dumpster fire that is your life . Still you have no moral high ground to preach from given your need to project hate for your many many failures.
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:46am
      - Muttonbird
        
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        Well that was only Cameron Slater.
        
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        March 12, 2019 8:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @muttonbird
      Yes, you do have a low opinion of all of us commenting here:
      
      I think the people who comment here are awful people. Clearly deranged, lonely, racist, hateful, misogynist, short, greedy, closed-off, anti-social, etc.
      
      Most have been through a few marriages, are immigrants, have been shut off by family and that’s why they use forums such as this.
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/03/general_debate_10_march_2019.html
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:47am
      - Muttonbird
        
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        Maggy, what do you think of Holyshit’s comment?
        
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        March 12, 2019 8:52am
      - Tall Man
        
        Turd, I imagine she thinks more highly of him than she ever will of a bludging liar like yourself.
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:01am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @muttonbird
        
        what do you think of Holyshit’s comment?
        
        That should be obvious if you bothered to read my stance on anything.
        I don’t approve of wishing death on anyone (unless terminally ill and in pain).
        
        However I don’t think it is intelligent to lump all commenters on KB together.
        
        Some folks here write nasty, awful things.
        Most folks don’t.
        
        Besides, we are requested to use the nom-de-plumes correctly
        Give other commenters the courtesy of referring to them by the name or alias they use on this blog.
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:21am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Whoops, autocorrect! The software must have known who I was referring to. ?
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:51am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Muttonbrain, a bit rich you chiming in. Got any more accusations to level at Young Nats about framing Labour Youff about sexual assault/molestation at last year’s Waihi get together?
      
      No, then go an crawl back under your rock at the Standard!
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:51am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Muttonbird has been banned from two other sites for being a hateful liar
        
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        March 12, 2019 8:53am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Muttonbird remember how one site banned you three times ?
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:04am
      - Muttonbird
        
        And yet I don’t think I’ve ever wished for the PM and co-leaders to die in an air disaster.
        
        I’ll have to check. ?
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:09am
      - harvey wilson
        
        No you said you wanted everyone in NZ who hunts to die .
        
        That was what you said.
        
        Typical hateful leftie, typical poster on the standard
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:13am
      - harvey wilson
        
        Looking through this it shows the essential difference between the left and right , lots of criticism for holyshits comments and none on the standard for Muttonbird saying he wishes about 100000 people were killed.
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:54am
      - freethinker
        
        Is the Labour sex case in the North Shore court this week or next – Wood love someone local to check out the court list for any interesting names.
        
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        March 12, 2019 11:08am
    - pentwig
      
      muttonturd
      there are very few on KB who are “nasty people”
      those who are uneducated lefties of whom you lead the list
      
      umm… yes, that is so
      
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      March 12, 2019 10:01am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Holyshite has 11 upticks though.
        
        False flag operation by lefties?
        
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        March 12, 2019 10:11am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I concur Nukuleka. I have visited Addis Ababa (flying Emirates, although we did internal flights on Ethiopian Airlines), and the presence of UN and African Union personnel there do a fantastic job. We visited Axum in the north of Ethiopia, where there were lots of UN peacekeepers monitoring the border with Eritrea.
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:26am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Presumably a ‘quick unpleasant’? death. They would likely not had time to register that there was a lethal problem.
    
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    March 12, 2019 3:03pm
- Pascal
  
  If there was no Ardern, there would be no Labour. She’s the only thing keeping the Coalition going. The rest of Labour would be polling in the single digits along with the rest of the troughers, worse than Angry Andy when he was rolled.
  
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  March 12, 2019 10:04am
  - harvey wilson
    
    If there was no Meteria Turei bragging about her fraud would Ardern have got such a big bump?
    
    Let’s not forget Winston was going to sue National MPs and had no intention of going into coalition with them . How badly did Ardern get played by the old drunk in the negotiations?
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:10am
    - sooty
      
      How many baubles did he cost her in the 20 page seceret document that Labour signed!
      
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      March 12, 2019 12:22pm
- Lance
  
  Looks like Boeing might have a fluster-fuck on their hands.
  They took the most successful jet aircraft in history, the 737 and bollixed up the new design. They stretched it and put more powerful engines on it
  It now is not stable and wants to pitch up. To counter this inherent design snafu, they added an automatic elevator control system to counter that.
  Trouble at mill coming
  
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  March 12, 2019 10:09am
hullkiwi

Heard PriNZess on the radio this morning defending Indiana. In short, she was full of excuses, didn’t have a clue and didn’t care. She is meant to lead the government and it is clear she has no control over it.

I’m referring to her interview with Espinser. Seems it was as bad as her Hosking interview.
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March 12, 2019 8:10am
- oldgolfer
  
  Quite right, hullkiwi.
  A marionette.
  Nothing more.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:17am
holysheet

A New Zealand drunk was in the court charged with calling the Prime Minister an “asshole”. The judge read the verdict;
-You will be jailed for your lifetime for exposing a state secret.
-But Sir, I have nothing to do with any state secret. I just insulted her.
-Well, I know that, mister, but the fact that our PM is an asshole is a state secret.
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March 12, 2019 8:11am
- hullkiwi
  
  Holy, there are a few other adjectives you could have added that are also a state secret like:
  Clueless;
  Bereft;
  Incompotent;
  Negligent;
  Lazy…. and the list could go on.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:23am
  - sooty
    
    Phantom lawnmower!
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:27am
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern might be having to recalibrate over Shane Jones.
She is advising him not to attack Journalists under the protection of privilege.

Is she worried that Journalists might start to turn on the CoL?
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March 12, 2019 8:16am
- oldgolfer
  
  I’m sure Mr Rutherford is sharpening his pencil.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:17am
  - Batman
    
    If there’s one thing I know about Hamish Rutherford, it’s that he will now calmly and methodically go about his work and make life quite awkward for Jonesy.
    
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    March 12, 2019 1:52pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Jacinda can’t “recalibrate” over Shane Jones lying to the country. The man is dismissive of her as leader and has no intention of changing his ways for the SLG. What is she going to do, run to Winston and say Shane is not listening to her. Yeah/nah, A ‘leader’ who lies can’t discipline anyone else for lying. Shane has the same contempt for the msm, and the ‘common man’ as Shane is intellectually superior to everyone else according to Shane. ?
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:26am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe “tugger” was the one who uttered those famous words that only the duck heard…”silly little girl”.
    
    He certainly shows nothing but utter contempt.
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:51am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  To quote Twain badly; Never start a war of words with someone who buys ink by the barrel
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:09am
Maggie Pie

A friend of my partner tweets –
“I’d like to see this Tranny go up against Laurel Hubbard” 🙂

https://twitter.com/thesundaysport/status/1104483286800388096
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March 12, 2019 8:18am
- sooty
  
  It will be an Olympic sport next!
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:29am
  - Tall Man
    
    The first step in buying new shirts etc…crumple test. Crush them up and if the wrinkles stay,, it’s not for me.
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:58am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Second Step: Put it back in the box / back on the hanger.
      
      Third Step: Repeat
      
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      March 12, 2019 2:32pm
- Jules99
  
  Good comments: Story hot off the Press
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:31am
- Tall Man
  
  I liked this comment..
  
  “In Derbyshire a man who used to be a prat and is now a waste of space became our MP!”
  
  Equally applies to someone from Morrinsville here.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She can come over to my place for a bit of training anytime.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:51am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ewww, you’d need a good cleanup afterwards…powder removal maybe?
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:57am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Maggy, Cindy has lots of experience digging holes for herself. You could put her expertise in this digging holes for your planting avocado trees. ?
    
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    March 12, 2019 9:04am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @wg
      I don’t need help with digging holes… but my ironing basket never seems to get empty.
      (I’ve trained my daughters well…. neither seem to own irons)
      
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      March 12, 2019 9:19am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Gone are the days of even ironing underpants like my grandmother used to do. ?
        
        Cindy can make you some scones for morning tea!
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:33am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        I watched Ricky Gervais’s new series “After Life” on Netflix the other day. He’s brilliant in it too. One funny scene was a prostitute who offered him half an hour of whatever you want for 50 pounds. He took her home and got her to wash his dishes!
        
        Perhaps this approach could get your ironing done as well!
        
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        March 12, 2019 9:46am
  - Harkman
    
    Maggy your use of the word “she” is suppressing his self-esteem. You should retract and declare allegiance to Allah and the climate change brigade immediately ?
    
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    March 12, 2019 9:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh dear, I should have used ae, ey, ve, xe or ze.
      https://www.outcoast.com/ve-valid-gender-neutral-pronouns-nonbinary-identities/
      Do forgive me.
      
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      March 12, 2019 10:01am
      - Tall Man
        
        “ardern the liar” works for me.
        
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        March 12, 2019 11:16am
      - sooty
        
        No problems with telling the truth.
        
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        March 12, 2019 12:28pm
DigNap15

Lets hope that if we keep hammering home how bad any CGT would be, that the polls turn.

I think if they turn badly against Labour they will not be able to turn them back.
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March 12, 2019 8:19am
- holysheet
  
  Don’t kid yourself. The ones who voted for Liarbor. the gweens and the drunken dwarf will vote for them again once we see the taxpayers open cheque book .
  The taxpayer is a source of unlimited funds in an election year.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sad, but true.
    
    It will be the “swingers” that control the outcome of the next election.
    
    There will be no “first year on me” rubbish and “middle class ” kiwibuild housing will not swing voters away.
    
    I cannot see the owners of a kiwibuild home voting labour just because they got a house courtesy of the tax payer subsidy.
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:45am
    - MCos
      
      It’s always the same in NZ in recent times.
      There are a hardcore who will always vote for or at least never vote against a particular party.
      There are some who can’t be bothered because they don’t think their vote means a bag of beans and there are some who won’t know there’s an election on.
      It’s the swinging voters that decide and next time it’ll be swinging between small parties & big parties, I’m guessing. A lot of people like Shane Jones kicking the fat cats in the arse style. A lot of people don’t too.
      
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      March 12, 2019 9:12am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, and Cullen and now Marama Davidson both say they want to spend the etxra tax from the CGT on other socialist (free money) projects.
    
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    March 12, 2019 9:09am
- Peter S
  
  Aritcle just ip on the Herald. The P.M. refuses to commit to the CGT being revenue neutral.
  That needs to be hammered home to all those who thought the idea was to take money off the rich and give it to them in tax breaks.
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:05am
  - alloytoo
    
    What also needs to be emphasised is that in order for the tax to be “revenue neutral” more tax needs to be extracted from the economy to cover implementation and increased compliance costs.
    
    The luddites perceive a potential windfall as the government adjusts other tax rates down to compensate for the imagined CGT revenue.
    
    That will never happen.
    
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    March 12, 2019 9:48am
- Rachael Membery
  
  You either believe in the polls or not, I don’t, I don’t think that the methodology is sound, DPF’s is,no doubt, but Colmar Brunton etc shows bias in my opinion, but then that is how the political questions are framed.
  
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  March 12, 2019 3:11pm
secondcumming

*The Urban Dictionary*

CLOSET HOMO [n] Any radio announcer, talkback host, or caller to the radio station, who maintain they either: didn’t watch the doco *Leaving Neverland*, only watched bits of it, have no interest in it, would never watch shit like that anyway.

And that seems to be about 95% of the population….give me a fucking break! BOL.
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March 12, 2019 8:31am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Me and my partner wacthed both parts and found them very entertaining! Its one of the few shows where he never actually chanel surfed during the ad breaks – it drive me silly sometimes. TBH last night was a bit boring, but after the Sunday episode when we went bed i said to him “Dont even ask”
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:02am
- SGA
  
  Oh dear, I didn’t watch it and I have only a passing interest in it – but I’m not a radio announcer, talkback host, or caller to the radio station so perhaps I need not worry about getting a costume for the Gay pride parade (or whatever it is called now).
  
  I’m not sure what to make of the backlash against MJ’s music one way or the other. He’s dead now so he’s not directly benefitting from the royalities. I’m reminded about the uneasy relationship Jews have with the music of Wagner. None of his operas have ever been performed in Israel, although there have been occasional performances of his music in concert, and it’s not banned from the state radio. A Jewish friend of mine despised Wagner as a man, but couldn’t help but love his music.
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:13am
- Nermal
  
  Haven’t bothered with it. I’ve believed for years the Jackson was a pedophile, and if he wasn’t a celeb he’d have been jailed for his actions. Never particularly liked his music either
  
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  March 12, 2019 2:54pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I didn’t watch it, nor do I intend to.
  
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  March 12, 2019 3:12pm
kowtow

The navy does a good job on the Maori PR front with lots of indigenous imagery and fluff , but it’s real job , maybe not so much.

New Zealand is in danger of becoming a bit of a reverse racist theme park.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/new-captain-takes-command-hmnzs-otago
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March 12, 2019 8:32am
Dave Mann

Last night I watched Part 1 of the ‘Leaving Neverland’ exposé that I had recorded.

When that despicable animal Jackson was alive, I was very outspoken among my family and social group in saying that it was disgusting and deeply unhealthy that he was so insanely popular.

On stage this creature looked, acted and ‘sang’ like a violent malevolent sex robot which had been designed by aliens. It amazed me that anybody could watch it and feel anything other than repulsion. That it was so hugely popular signified the depth of degradation to which Western civilisation had shrunk.

On viewing this TV programme the one thing which stood out for me was the incredible stupidity and lack of basic decency that those mothers displayed. One can’t blame the two boys – they were just children – but for a mother to allow this to happen to her child is frankly unbelievable.

The parents of these children deserve to be prosecuted for child sex trafficking, neglect and abuse of a minor. How could anybody in their right mind allow their child to have anything to do with that androgynous weird creature… let alone sleep on his bedroom? Seriously…?

I felt sullied by having watched Part 1. I don’t think I’ll watch Part II.
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March 12, 2019 8:43am
- harvey wilson
  
  Is part 2 about being the soundtrack to labour youth retreats?
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:52am
- Tall Man
  
  Didn’t watch, won’t watch, life’s too short to waste time on that drivel.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:54am
- lifesgood
  
  I agree with all you say. I am not just saying this now, having watched most, but not all of the documentaries, I always thought he was a freak and extremely suspect. I totally believed the boys who took cases against him. The tragedy is that the juries were so dazzled by his star power they couldn’t see the truth. One jury member admitted that she found him not guilty because someone on the prosecution side winked at her and she wasn’t having that. Both mothers are utterly appalling, evil, star dazzled women. The Australian one couldn’t have cared less about the pain she inflicted on her family, including the heart broken suicide of her husband. Those poor little boys.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:55am
- cmm
  
  Those parents (as well as the other enablers like lawyers, house keepers, the doctor etc) are sick.
  
  But there’s no end of parents that will pimp their kids for fame and profit. What these parents did is still a step up from the kiddy beauty pagent industry:
  
  https://www.universalroyalty.com/beauty-pageant-photos.html
  
  Nor is there any end of people who will take the big bucks to enable this sickos.
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:03am
- cmm
  
  Herald running a piece about “Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley: Inside the marriage that fooled us”
  
  Way anyone fooled? Surely only the willfully ignorant!
  
  To anyone with half a brain it was an obvious wallpapering exercise, just like when he’d hang out with hot Brazilian models.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12211687
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:11am
  - DigNap15
    
    yes I always wondered why a hot chick like her would “marry” a freak like him.
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:09am
- MCos
  
  I watched about a quarter of #1 and pretty much all #2.
  Last night there was one bit where Michael Jackson, who was clearly a paedophile, spoke directly to the camera and completely denied that he was and how could anyone think he would indulge in such disgusting behaviour, it was beyond comprehension etc etc
  Who else have we seen on TV expressing exactly the same sentiments prior to being found guilty of just that over in Oz in the last couple of weeks?
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:35am
- Harkman
  
  So I only watched half of part 2, but was there anyone else other than the one guy’s story, who had a payout? I thought that everyone believed he was strange when he was alive but he was also vulnerable to people wanting his money.
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:53am
- SGA
  
  @Dave Mann
  
  That it was so hugely popular signified the depth of degradation to which Western civilisation had shrunk.
  
  No, you’re thinking of Elvis Presley 🙂 .
  It’s been a long downhill slide, Dave. Bizet’s Carmen, for example, was described by a contemporary critic as “the very incarnation of vice”.
  
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  March 12, 2019 10:08am
  - RdM
    
    And Bizet’s Carmen still upsets the embedded in MoH gravy train moralizing neo-prohibitionist sock-puppet wowser zealots in Tobacco Control, see two articles here:
    
    https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/search?q=Carmen
    
    There were more in the blogosphere at the time.
    
    The anti-tobacco scam is older than the ‘climate change’ one, and has immensely split and divided societies, as well as forcing deprivation of its benefits, all to the profit of ‘Big Pharma’ and enabling of unelected global governance.
    
    Totalitarianism.
    
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    March 12, 2019 7:19pm
BeaB

Never let your child sleep in an adult’s bed with that adult.
No child needs to have a ‘sleep-over’ at an adult’s house.
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March 12, 2019 9:21am
- secondcumming
  
  More than happy to let our kids ‘sleep-over’ at the inlaws house …what about you BB?
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:33am
Lee C

There’s no end to ‘stupid’.

Classic example a few years ago I went to a Childrens’ fundraiser at the Domain in Auckland. At the end, they played ‘What About Us?’

I guess they were all out of Gary Glitter records.

A casual retrospective of his lyrics would yield the man’s mind.
Ahahahahahahahaha
It’s close to midnight
Something evil’s lurking from the dark
Under the moonlight
You see a sight that almost stops your heart
You try to scream
But terror takes the sound before you make it
You start to freeze
As horror looks you right between your eyes
You’re paralyzed
‘Cause this is thriller
Thriller night
And no one’s gonna save you
From the beast about to strike
You know it’s thriller
Thriller night
You’re fighting for your life
Inside a killer thriller tonight, yeah
Ahahahahahahahaha
I’m gonna bring it tonight
Ahahahahahahahaha
You hear the door slam
And realize there’s nowhere left to run
You feel the cold hand
And wonder if you’ll ever see the sun
You close your eyes
And hope that this is just imagination
Girl but all the while
You hear…

I would be like: Mate, I don’t care if you are the King of Siam, touch my kid, I’ll break your face.

‘Thriller’, indeed. Let’s see shall we?
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March 12, 2019 9:29am
- SGA
  
  A casual retrospective of his lyrics would yield the man’s mind
  
  I have little confidence in such “casual retrospectives”. We become primed to see things in a certain light. If someone unearthed a document providing evidence that Shakespeare, say, was any of a gay, a pedophile, a satanist, or an anti-monarchist, then people would then find evidence of such in his work.
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:40am
- burt
  
  Speaking of which, any news on when the Labour youth camp predator who was protected by the Labour Party will be in court ?
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:41am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Would you like me to Google that for you, burt?
    
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    March 12, 2019 9:47am
    - burt
      
      Sure, and after you have done that have a think about how by protecting the predator the Labour party have behaved just like the people who protected MJ.
      
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      March 12, 2019 10:07am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Don’t you already know?
      
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      March 12, 2019 3:21pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    There’s a lot of silence from the Labour Party on this, but they wood, woodn’t they!
    
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    March 12, 2019 9:49am
  - stigie
    
    Wood you expect the Labour predator to be named burt ?
    You know it’s different with Labour do it !~
    
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    March 12, 2019 9:50am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Monday 18th March, as far as I know burt. It’s set down for a defended hearing.
    
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    March 12, 2019 11:05am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The unfortunate reality is that if someone were to ‘touch’ your kid, you would probably never find out. Most likely it would be someone you trust and your kid would not tell, or only tell so many years later that you would only want to break your own face for letting it happen.
  
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  March 12, 2019 9:51am
  - Tall Man
    
    Whereas we have a prime minister, ardern the liar, that was informed that a number of young people were sexually assaulted against their will and she has done what…….
    
    Correct, nothing. Have the providers of the alcohol been removed from office?
    
    Have the labour mps who were at the camp been fired?
    
    Have the parents of these victims been approached by anyone within the labour party?
    
    Will the little 20 year old pervert admit to the crime and spare the victims the need to testify about their ordeal?
    
    Or, has the labour party swept this under the rug and relied on their “puppet” police commissioner and so called “justice system” to keep it there?
    
    Oh that’s right, Sir John Key pulled a pony tail, another mp secretly recorded a staff members conversations blah blah blah.
    
    Let’s see now, darren hughes sexually assaults a kid, dover plays with the rellies, shane uses the credit card to pay for porn…
    
    Is there a sexual deviancy “requirement” in labour’s manifesto?
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:02am
  - burt
    
    The unfortunate reality is that if someone were to ‘touch’ your kid, you would probably never find out.
    
    Luckily, unlike inside the like the Labour Party, society is not covering up this kind of activity like it use to.
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:08am
DigNap15

Perhaps the Labour MP’s are Michael Jackson fans?

This case really needs to be brought into the public.
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March 12, 2019 10:07am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Do you think that will become an easy smear from now if you catch someone listening to a Michael Jackson song?
  
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  March 12, 2019 10:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    No, but concealing sexual assaults for political expediency is a pretty clear indicator that the labour party is very fucked up.
    
    Perhaps if ardern the liar grabs a microphone and cries a little bit it will all be alright.
    
    Like her coalition mikey…you’re as shallow as a car park puddle.
    
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    March 12, 2019 11:05am
  - stigie
    
    “Do you think that will become an easy smear from now if you catch someone listening to a Michael Jackson song?”
    
    Yes Milky, Labour Party’s favorite song “Thriller” !~
    
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    March 12, 2019 1:15pm
Than

There’s an article at The Spinoff about the Extinction Rebellion protest movement. Some excerpts;

The third goal is more amorphous and could potentially be a huge political sticking point – “a national Citizen’s Assembly to oversee the changes, as part of creating a democracy fit for purpose.”

It’s not clear exactly what “a democract fit for purpose” even means; but I’d place a large bet that in practice it means “a democracy where the government does what we want, regardless of what the plebes vote for”.

Outside Auckland, anti-1080 activists are said to have attempted to redirect discussion to their cause.

New Zealand organisers are working on wording to include the role of Te Tiriti in their objectives.

The treaty and 1080 have absolutely nothing to do with reducing emissions.

This movement has all the same flaws as the Green New Deal. First, it’s getting hijacked to push agendas that have absolutely nothing to do with climate change. Second, its vague about exactly what policies they are pushing. And third, to the extent they are specific about policies it’s nothing but all the same non-viable ideas Green groups have been pushing for decades.

There is absolutely nothing new or useful here – the only thing that has changed is people are getting more worked up.
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March 12, 2019 10:11am
DigNap15

I liked his music, and he could dance, but any guy walking round on stage holding his crotch, should have been banned. (from what and by whom I don’t know)
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March 12, 2019 10:11am
- greybeard
  
  Email I sent to Larry this week:
  ” Michael Jackson was a talented singer and dancer who spent his entire life trying to make himself look like his own sister.”
  
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  March 12, 2019 11:50am
Jack5

Huawei would have to hand over foreign data if Chinese Government asked, say experts:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/huawei-would-have-to-give-data-to-china-government-if-asked-experts.html
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March 12, 2019 10:16am
- Justitia
  
  Thanks for the reference Jack 5. I’m selling my long-held Spark shares because of these issues.
  
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  March 12, 2019 10:26am
Woz

This is the kind of language a communications degree from Waikato teaches you to use:

“Ultimately I have, when asked, said that I did not believe that would be appropriate, and that’s my advice to Mr Jones.”
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March 12, 2019 10:26am
emmess

Excellent live stream of what is going on in Venezuela, if anyone is interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P5Mkbu3Vlg

The MSM are not covering it in much detail
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March 12, 2019 10:29am
- burt
  
  Just like they are not covering the ongoing Yellow Jacket protests.
  
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  March 12, 2019 10:34am
  - emmess
    
    True but this is happening in real time, right now.
    Nationwide blackout and looting now.
    Fascinating to watch.
    The channel covers other stuff too, definitely worth a sub.
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:48am
  - kowtow
    
    The media are happy to report declining numbers turning out to the protests. But that’s not the point .
    The point is the French are revolting and that wasn’t given the coverage it deserved.
    
    Media as Gatekeepers and mediators of what is reported and how.
    
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    March 12, 2019 11:17am
    - Komata
      
      Kowtow@1117
      
      Yes, I know the French are ‘revolting’; they eat snails and other nasty foreign muck.
      
      Thank goodness for the Channel!!
      
      Now all we have to worry about are the Indian restaurants, Chinese takeaways and the Kebab joints.
      
      (I know that’s not what you meant, but it was too good an opportunity to pass up).
      
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      March 12, 2019 11:35am
      - kowtow
        
        Kowtow intended the double entendre ( bloody french again) and don’t forget the poor force fed geese .
        
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        March 12, 2019 1:43pm
burt

It’s impossible they are investigating Labour, it’s never in the public interest to do that.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/111205902/complaint-about-political-donations-referred-to-serious-fraud-office
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March 12, 2019 10:34am
Philview

I see the Serious Fraud Office have been called in to investigate the non disclosure of political donations by a Party at the last election. Now this makes me uneasy!! This most likely relates to the complaints made by JLR and political pressure put on the SFO.
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March 12, 2019 10:34am
- burt
  
  Yes, probably political pressure on the SFO, if it were a Labour donation we’d be getting retrospective validations rather than an investigation.
  
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  March 12, 2019 10:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Given the depths of Labour Party corruption of state institution you allege, it is somewhat surprising that any other parties ever get to form a government.
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:48am
    - kowtow
      
      Gone by lunch time springs to mind.
      
      A civil service leakier than a Rainbow Warrior with its hull blown out.
      
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      March 12, 2019 11:19am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Going forward? Absolutely the intent.
      
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      March 12, 2019 3:28pm
  - oob
    
    retrospective
    
    Retroactive.
    
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    March 12, 2019 10:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    Surely you don’t mean “whataboutisms”?
    
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    March 12, 2019 11:00am
Surely Knott

Newshub are pushing their slimy politics again and are suggesting that an assassination video game Hitman that the target character is based on Judith Collins. It does seem to be an undeniable likeness. If they are correct will the games maker be charged by police. Desensitising people to shoot at characters based on real people seems like it should violate some hate laws. Once again the Left show how low they will go – Imagine a game where you tried to assassinate Jacinda, or a life size statue of her with her pants down. Yeah no. But somehow that’s ok if the MP is a Nat.
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March 12, 2019 10:56am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Snowflake alert.
  
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  March 12, 2019 11:09am
  - Surely Knott
    
    I’m all good thanks MikenMildAgain. I’m just clarifying the rules of engagement. Is it ok if I throw dildos at Jacinda – will the media laugh and replay it again and again, can i throw rat poison, make first person shooting games with her face, and life size statues with her genitalia hanging out. All in the name of good fun when it’s from the kindness party supporters after all.
    
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    March 12, 2019 11:14am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Why are you asking permission from me? Aren’t you an adult who can make autonomous decisions?
      
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      March 12, 2019 11:19am
    - lifesgood
      
      I had great fun at the supermarket this morning. I casually picked up copies of Next with her ugly dial on the front and turned them around on the magazine stands. Nobody should have to put up with that vision when shopping. I was performing a public service.
      
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      March 12, 2019 2:11pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    prick
    
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    March 12, 2019 2:43pm
greybeard

This article appeared on “Stuff” yesterday.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/111198793/ancient-tree-found-underground-in-mt-eden-during-auckland-city-rail-link-works

I submitted a comment, asking what would happen if they found the tree to be an English oak or some other European tree ?

My comment never made it.

And I see that not only have comments been closed but have been removed entirely.

Maybe the spectre of pre-maori European settlers is too much for Stuff and their masters.
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March 12, 2019 12:07pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Loonie alert.
  
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  March 12, 2019 12:21pm
  - burt
    
    The loonies are the ones who say it’s right we are not allowed to DNA test the ‘shrunken’ Maori heads – one of which has red hair !
    
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    March 12, 2019 12:37pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Ah, another believer? And to which esoteric theories of pre-Maori settlement in New Zealand do you subscribe? Egyptians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Celts, Basques, Chinese?
      
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      March 12, 2019 12:52pm
      - burt
        
        Simple DNA test might answer that question.
        
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        March 12, 2019 1:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I don’t actually know what pseudo-archaeological nonsense you are on about – there are so many fairy stories about.
        
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        March 12, 2019 2:11pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        So many to choose from, d) all of the above?
        
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        March 12, 2019 3:33pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Just give us your favourite crank theory about NZ prehistory, Rachael.
        
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        March 12, 2019 3:37pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Borrow “1421” by Gavin Menzies.
        
        I say borrow because I doubt any labour laddie would spend money on a book, especially one without ardern the liar on the cover.
        
        It’s an interesting read and I like his comment that of all the countries that disagreed with his theories, New Zealand was the most vehement as it seems anything that challenges the “maori” view of history is to be eliminated at all cost.
        
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        March 12, 2019 8:28pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      1. Maori mokomokai were not ‘shrunken’ ….The cooked heads still contained the skull.
      
      2. Considering that there had been at least 60 years between the arrival of folks bearing ginga genes(1769) and the demise of the mokomokai trade (1830s).. it’s not too surprising that one or two of the severed heads reveal that one of their recent ancestors hailed from Ireland, Scotland or Norway.
      
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      March 12, 2019 2:52pm
  - sooty
    
    Yes. Mike you are! You don’t need to tell everybody, we worked that out yonks ago!
    
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    March 12, 2019 12:41pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I prefer to refer to it as ‘eccentricity’.
      
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      March 12, 2019 12:53pm
      - starboard
        
        you mean fuckwittery, surely.
        
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        March 12, 2019 1:17pm
- DigNap15
  
  My friend was an archaeologist in NZ.
  The only thing they ever discovered was some kumara pits. Should be on the front page of National Geographic – the world wide edition!
  Such a flourishing civilisation.
  Even if Africa they built large stone building.
  
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  March 12, 2019 2:17pm
MrTips

OOOOppppps….. looks like Liane Dalziel and her husband have been running a bit fine to wind with the Chinese water bottlers. No impropriety is insinuated but 3 things struck me here:
1) How nepotistic is ChCh? Dalziels stepson is on the council with her! Did the voters know that at the time?
2) Davidson first said “no”, then backtracked when challenged by Stuff. Where have we seen that before?
3) This is basically an environmental issue, and it appears Stuff environmental reporter may be the hangman for Dalziel and her council. It would be beautifully ironic that Labour affiliated local body politicians get quartered over the very issue their supposed COL partners are meant to pursue.
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March 12, 2019 12:43pm
Swifty

A disgraceful excuse of a NZer – and who now wants mercy:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111213476/i-dont-want-to-die-in-prison-christchurch-scammer-pleads
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March 12, 2019 1:29pm
- starboard
  
  He’ll end up being somebodies bitch. They like ’em tubby in prison. Lube up fatty.
  
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  March 12, 2019 1:41pm
  - Garbageman
    
    Look at those KFC titties and voluptuous lips hes going to be friends with more than just one inmate named bubba
    one does have to wonder if he is so afraid of going to prison again what he could have done to avoid that happening
    
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    March 12, 2019 2:05pm
    - starboard
      
      ” assume the position boy “..heh.
      “Noooo..I dont wana pick up da soap again “
      
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      March 12, 2019 2:17pm
- burt
  
  It’s a shame he never heard the old saying – If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime!
  
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  March 12, 2019 1:53pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The judge has quite reasonably told him that if his medical needs cannot be catered to in prison, he can be transferred to a hospital.
  But I see his picture has excited the fantastical imagination of starboard and Garbageman.
  
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  March 12, 2019 2:14pm
  - Garbageman
    
    Tsk Tsk Mike thats a tad homophobic of you back to the re-education gulag for you, maybe the fat fk could have thought about the health welfare of the elderly folks he ripped off no chance there eh except when caught now its all about him boo fkn hoo
    
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    March 12, 2019 2:20pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hey, I said nothing to condemn your prison-rape fetishes – your imagination is your own affair.
      
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      March 12, 2019 2:22pm
      - Garbageman
        
        Well thank you and touche it is a rather large category on Pornhub (i hear honest) if you are interested
        
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        March 12, 2019 2:41pm
DigNap15

Is calling a white guy “White Shit” rascict?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12211753

According to the story she started it.
Yet the headline is rascism against Maori!

Who pays for that shitty journalism?
I hope they don’t sleep well at night.
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March 12, 2019 2:15pm
- Jules99
  
  Just waiting for some citizen journalist to find out she’s Shane’s auntie.
  
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  March 12, 2019 2:54pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  I saw the post, and thru the whole time, I thought she handled herself really well. Personally I would have answered his road rage with a punch in the face.
  
  He recorded her yet, he didn’t put up his side of the story because he would have shown him for the dick he is.
  
  Just because she’s maori, doesn’t mean he’s entitled to verbually abuse and insult her, and it doesn’t automatically mean she called him a white shit. But he called her tirade of insults, that’s on record.
  
  For the record, has had business dealings with this guy, and he’s an arse.
  
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  March 12, 2019 3:39pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I see the guy is trying the whole “taken out of context” line.
    
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    March 12, 2019 3:50pm
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Yep, the other thing that concerned me that this was recorded on rural roads. No one else to witness his verbal abuse. If he would treat a woman on her own like this, how is he likely to behave behind closed doors to his female partner.
      
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      March 12, 2019 4:54pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I think that is drawing a long bow.
        
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        March 12, 2019 8:14pm
    - Tall Man
      
      It may be correct and it may not.
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:13pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    I thought she did really well too NW. She was polite and held her temper unlike the ‘gentleman’ who threw his toys out of the cot.
    
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    March 12, 2019 3:56pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The racism angle is being played here by DigNap15, who seems to have trouble believing that the Maori women could possibly be in the right in this altercation.
      
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      March 12, 2019 4:04pm
      - sooty
        
        But why did she follow him for seven klicks?
        I would have read her pedigre as well!
        Greepy, if you ask me!
        
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        March 12, 2019 5:31pm
      - Tall Man
        
        And he not assumed the man is right either. The 7 k follow seems a bit odd to me and taints the whole “immediacy” thing.
        
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        March 12, 2019 8:15pm
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Ummm sooty, given those roads at the back of Bombay, 7 “klicks” is likely the length of the road to the next small town. I don’t think she went out of her way. Was she suppose to turn around? Take a longer route to “avoid” him?
    
    Personally, I think he was pissed some Maori shelia was driving a flasher car than his. Bloody nerve of the woman. And how dare she remain calm and reasonable as he screamed at her. The uppity bitch…
    
    Snorts.
    
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    March 12, 2019 5:39pm
  - oob
    
    Personally I would have answered his road rage with a punch in the face.
    
    That’s probably because you’re a member of an unevolved violent stone-aged culture.
    
    Just because she’s maori, doesn’t mean he’s entitled to verbually abuse and insult her
    
    Actually, it does. He’s a taxpayer funding every one of her nine kids’ P habits so he’s paid for the right to criticise.
    
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    March 12, 2019 6:37pm
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Oob…are you telling me that if someone didn’t get out and spoke to your partner or yourself that you wouldn’t want to smack him in the nose?
      
      By the way, the woman in question is a medical professional, educated, and showed a lot more decorum than the average kiwi would have. And she helps people get off meth, and no. She doesn’t have 9 kids.
      
      Sorry to shatter your stereotypes.
      
      And yep, I’m Maori. Apparently I get my temper from Scottish father. Go figure.
      
      And your reply is exactly the kind of racism this woman was talking about.
      
      Peace and love!
      
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      March 12, 2019 6:44pm
DigNap15

As regards exporting water to China.
Now Ardern is calling it “Not Fair”
Well as long as we have plenty of it (and we do) whats wrong with it?
They employ people, and tradesmen etc.
They pay tax (I hope)
And we get export dollars with which to buy phones etc from China.
It would be nice if the companies were NZ owned.
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March 12, 2019 2:19pm
- rangitoto
  
  I don’t get the idiocy about water bottling for export. It’s not like a gold mine or oil well that runs out. As long as you aren’t extracting water at a greater rate than the replenishment then what’s the problem? Another thing is why people are stupid enough to buy the product. I shake my head when I see people at the supermarket checkout with plastic containers full of water.
  
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  March 12, 2019 2:34pm
  - Nermal
    
    Whenever I buy a bottle of water, I’m buying the bottle to re-use. The water is incidental
    
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    March 12, 2019 3:03pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Have you ever seen the Penn & Teller ‘Bullshit’ episode about bottled water?
      
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      March 12, 2019 3:14pm
      - ABS
        
        Here’s part of it . Can’t find the full show
        
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        March 12, 2019 7:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        Bottled drinking water’s a con in NZ.
        
        The only useful bottled water I have found is one from around Auckland that is distilled. According to some Geeks, distilled water is best for cleaning LED computer screens and TVs. One bottle is sufficient for a year or two, depending on how many screens you have and how often you need to clean them.
        
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        March 13, 2019 1:22am
  - DigNap15
    
    So true, especially those big ones that take about three guys to lift.
    
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    March 12, 2019 4:09pm
  - greybeard
    
    New Zealanders are no longer allowed to carry their groceries in plastic bags because they would damage the world’s environment.
    
    The Chinese however are being encouraged to sell NZ water overseas bottled in hard plastic non-recycable bottles.
    
    Where are we living ? Wonderland ?
    
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    March 12, 2019 5:14pm
Wired-one

Labour have just started a survey on their CGT proposal, like NZFirst has also. Get on there two websites and make your voices heard.
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March 12, 2019 2:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Do you want Labour sending advertising guff to your email?
  
  What’s the point of this farce? They are trying to harvest names, phone numbers and email addresses, with a poor opt out option in fine print:
  
  https://yournz.org/2019/03/11/labours-bob-each-way-petitions-just-contact-harvesting-in-disguise/
  
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  March 12, 2019 3:01pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The main point of any political party’s website/Facebook surveys, etc.
    
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    March 12, 2019 3:10pm
    - DigNap15
      
      I filled it in, with every answer dead against CGT.
      
      I can always opt out or laugh at their propoganda!
      
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      March 12, 2019 4:07pm
  - Wired-one
    
    I agree, but you can opt out.
    
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    March 12, 2019 3:20pm
  - holysheet
    
    And the end result is Liarbor will convert those names into members.
    Whoopee, look at all our new members.
    
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    March 12, 2019 3:27pm
    - sooty
      
      But you can feed them misinformation!
      
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      March 12, 2019 5:28pm
      - Tall Man
        
        You mean like they do to us?
        
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        March 12, 2019 8:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Tell em you think its great to stick it to rich white pricks.
  Reinforce their own misguided thinking.They need to think they’re on the right track .
  Then they whacked where it counts.
  The ballot box.
  
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  March 12, 2019 3:54pm
waikatogirl

In QT Simon was asking Cindy about the cost of small business and farms having to get valuations under the CGT. He quoted an entry-level cost of $10k minimum for each small business and overall $.5b for farms nationwide to get the mandatory valuations required under the CGT proposals. When the TWG report was released Cindy said it was out there for discussion and feedback. Cindy and Robbo are now refusing to answer questions in the House from Simon on the TWG. Apparently, the excuse is it is only a report they are still reading and working through and will not discuss it as it has not been passed into law. So where is call me Sir Michael Cullen to explain. Afterall, taxpayers are funding his lifestyle at over $1k a day for his pearls of wisdom!!! ?
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March 12, 2019 4:03pm
- sooty
  
  How big is Sullens ranch?
  I understand he has a lifestyle block.
  We know allready he will have to pay the CGT, because you can bet your arse he has been claiming for a home office. Which by itself, tips him into it!
  
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  March 12, 2019 5:26pm
- Surely Knott
  
  That was an appalling question time. Cindy refuses to answer any questions and completely hides behind working group reports and her col obligations so that she doesn’t have to engage in public debate or transparency.
  
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  March 12, 2019 7:13pm
Biscuit

From ‘The Horrid’ this arvo:

Bankrupt blogger Cameron Slater carried out ‘character assassination’ – ordered to pay $70,000 in landmark media ruling

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12211911
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March 12, 2019 4:22pm
- MrTips
  
  How do you get $70K out of a bankrupt? Maybe he’ll have to sell the BT50, or will his wife suddenly become an interested party? Something tells me the trouble is only just beginning for the oily one.
  
  He’s in company though, Eric Watson has received another slam for his practices, owing $51M to the taxman.
  
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  March 12, 2019 4:26pm
  - brett68
    
    From what I’ve read they can go after his companies.
    If they want they could probably take and no doubt shut down whale oil. not that it’s worth much these days.
    
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    March 12, 2019 6:33pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Anyone starting to feel sorry for him yet…
  
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  March 12, 2019 4:30pm
  - MrTips
    
    Wow. He has to undertake training in privacy law and is restrained from publishing, or allowing other to publish, anything about Blomfeld or the matters relevant.
    
    Training in privacy
    Restraining order
    $70K restitution
    
    Not a good CV filler for a “journalist, skilled and trained”…….
    
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    March 12, 2019 4:36pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I see he wasn’t actually ordered to undergo privacy training. That was sought by the Director of Proceedings, but the tribunal could see what a waste of everyone’s time that would be.
      Although, on second thoughts, a training provider could make some extra money by advertising extra places on a training course where “a disgraced ex-blogger gets taught basic rules about personal privacy to follow when pretending to be a journalist”.
      
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      March 12, 2019 5:43pm
      - Inandout
        
        You can’t stop Gab though m&m, lol. A leftie’s nightmare indeed.
        
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        March 12, 2019 7:42pm
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Zero fucks given Mikey. Karmas a cruel mistress.
    
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    March 12, 2019 5:23pm
Maggie Pie

Watch for that blogger from Dunedin to grab pole on GD tomorrow 🙂
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March 12, 2019 4:36pm
- MrTips
  
  Now there’s a mental image we can do without! PG on a pole!
  
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  March 12, 2019 4:37pm
  - Northland Wahine
    
    On a pole? I had a visual of him grabbing his own…
    
    Oh fuck, never mind!
    
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    March 12, 2019 5:22pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    “Grab ’em by the [pole]. You can do anything.”
    
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    March 12, 2019 5:34pm
    - nasska
      
      It’s true that at that point you have their total & undivided attention! 🙂
      
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      March 12, 2019 5:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Well, you boarding school graduates possibly know more about that than I.
        
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        March 12, 2019 5:47pm
    - pentwig
      
      milkmaid
      you would know!
      having seen you grab a round light pole in cuba mall and attempt to piriette around it in your too tight stilettos was an ugly sight to behold.
      pole dancer you aren’t
      damn nightmares!
      whoo
      psycho – more pills please
      
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      March 12, 2019 6:55pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Another one having far too vivid fantasies about other commenters on Kiwiblog. Sad!
        
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        March 12, 2019 7:02pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Hang on mikey, who’s having the fantasies?
        
        “boarding school graduates”…..
        
        Often a person reveals a little more than they would like when they are trying to be a smart arse.
        
        I’ll leave you and the rest of the commenters on here to draw there own conclusions.
        
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        March 12, 2019 7:59pm
MH

Tonight on TV1 at approx 9.40pm we have star reporter/presenter/journalist Carolyn Robinson showing another murder in America-i assume so, because what I’ve seen briefly in successive weeks is this appalling rubbish masquerading as “best content” from mainly American sources. Not any real news or thought provoking stuff, I’d rather watch repeats from al jazeera even with its expected element of bias, such as head to head. How she has the nerve to front gruesome murders week after week is beyond me. Resign or get the docos we deserve to see. Then on another channel we are subjected to snapped, more murders. Trying to undermine American society ?

20/20 features the best content from the ABC and in-depth investigative pieces and TVNZ says it is an established international news brand that viewers trust.

Robinson says: “I’m really looking forward to being part of the 20/20 team. We’ll be bringing you the best international stories from our friends at the ABC – with a focus on real people and the stories 20/20 fans love.
crap.
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March 12, 2019 5:18pm
- Inandout
  
  I toggle between YouTube and Netflix, only venturing into our TV land when the Chase is on.
  
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  March 12, 2019 7:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Never go near them.
    
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    March 12, 2019 7:56pm
nasska

Some of our more discerning commenters have latched on to the likenesses between “Momo”, the viral sensation & a lacklustre Labour liar but who’s wondered how it started?

…..”This doll was created by Japanese artist, Midori Hiyashi. To make her look terrifying the artist made her bulging eyeballs with large black pupils and her legs are made of the remains of animals.”…..

https://www.ckbi.com/2019/03/01/the-origin-of-the-creepy-momo-doll/
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March 12, 2019 5:36pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m not sure which marketing genius recommended ‘Momo’ to Seresin Estate. Or maybe their cheapo range pre-dates the doll and hoax.
  https://seresin.co.nz/collections/momo
  
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  March 12, 2019 7:05pm
  - nasska
    
    ……”maybe their cheapo range pre-dates the doll and hoax”…..
    
    Not being a hopeless drunk such as your average KB religio/conservative I’ll have to pass on that one.
    
    But “hoax”? I regard the depiction as a serious work of art! 🙂
    
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    March 12, 2019 7:15pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I refer to the hoax about the so-called ‘Momo challenge’ encouraging kids to self-harm.
      
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      March 12, 2019 7:33pm
  - Tall Man
    
    She does have a remarkable similarity to ardern the liar though.
    
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    March 12, 2019 7:54pm
RW Capitalist

After claiming 100 000 vaccines for measles are available, yesterday.
We find there are only 30 000
More stuff ups under labour
Colour me sssooo surprised.
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March 12, 2019 6:13pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Spokeswoman for Canterbury medical centre saying, on TVNZ news, they order the number of vaccines they believe they will need and then get told they can’t have them.
  
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  March 12, 2019 6:44pm
RF

How did the urgent debate concerning Tugger Jones misleading the house finish up. I had to go out so missed the decision. I noticed that spider fingers and the old fella bailed early.

For once the speaker has done the correct thing…..
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March 12, 2019 6:51pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh everyone from Labour & Green could see that Mr Jones is an honourable man…. and Nats are barking at cars
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190312_20190312_12
  
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  March 12, 2019 7:15pm
Inandout

I found this 2018 article about the closed Manawatu Gorge. Look at all those fuckwit MPs promising the earth, but I believe nothing outstanding has happened; except a Saddle Rd prettying up.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/100180974/eight-months-without-the-manawat-gorge
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March 12, 2019 7:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I thought NZTA has announced the preferred option for the alternative route.
  
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  March 12, 2019 7:39pm
  - nasska
    
    They have but it’s years off & despite promises to upgrade the Saddle Road, meantime it’s still a bloody goat track. There’s been some work at the top, the western incline is so-so but the east side is a poor joke.
    
    In typical nanny, safety, won’t someone think of the children fashion they’ve reduced the speed limit but that’s about it.
    
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    March 12, 2019 7:47pm
  - Inandout
    
    NZTA would ‘prefer’ it went away, but there are some Labour votes in PNorth that have cars that actually go. Just think how far the 33 million that Angry has thrown at the entombed mine would have done improving roads.
    
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    March 12, 2019 7:49pm
  - Tall Man
    
    labour is talk, National is action.
    
    Hard to admit mikey but you’ll feel so much better.
    
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    March 12, 2019 7:50pm
niggly

Bunny boiler jokes aside, Shane Jones’ threats could be chilling
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/111226866/bunny-boiler-jokes-aside-shane-jones-threats-could-be-chilling

Hamish Rutherford responds to Shane Jones and sets the record straight.

It also seems that Jones has been very hospitable to journos to curry favor with them.

Rutherford then ends his informative article with:

The fact that no-one from the Government has properly shot down Jones’ threat to malign me in Parliament will not deter me.

But it should be a chilling warning of the potential consequences for anyone planning to question this Government’s integrity.

And surely the question to be asked next by the MSM is, why is Jacinda tacitly lending support to Jones by not doing a H1 (or JK) and distancing herself from Jones? Does she want to be caught in the crossfire when Jones goes full retard under further pressure as his decisions and roles are further scrutinised by the MSM?
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March 12, 2019 8:07pm
- MrTips
  
  Jones is a wanker, literally and verbally. Total prat and deserves a full on OIA to check if he’s still viewing porn on taxpayer dimes.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Does she want to be caught in the crossfire
  
  She won’t be.
  She’ll deny all knowledge of backroom deals… and that will probably be true in this case.
  Jacinda is once again outside the loop.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:21pm
  - stigie
    
    I am sick of this bullshit, i’m going to attend two primary schools tomorrow so fuck ya…?
    
    I feel better already !~
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:29pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Where’s the lawnmower?”
      
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      March 12, 2019 9:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern the liar has never been in the loop.
    
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    March 12, 2019 9:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Little old naive me…
  I figured Journos would never get so cosy with MPs that they stayed over at MPs houses, etc..
  
  I believe that other journalists have also stayed with Jones.
  
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  March 12, 2019 8:29pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What is ‘stayed’ a euphemism for?
    
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    March 12, 2019 8:40pm
    - nasska
      
      Looped reruns of Debbie Does Dallas & Anal Wonders Vol.10 probably! 🙂
      
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      March 12, 2019 8:43pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You’re a labour party boy, you should know all about in your end O.
      
      Or is that only related to “Camp” activities?
      
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      March 12, 2019 9:07pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Home cooking?
      
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      March 12, 2019 9:32pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Perhaps there is a shortage of accommodation, perhaps they need money for a motel up north, Shane can help there too?
    
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    March 12, 2019 9:41pm

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