General Debate 8 February 2019

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Yvette

Shane Jones is counting Forestry’s commercial replanting in his goal to reach 1 billion trees in a decade.

Jones said the rate of commercial replanting over the next 10 years would have a “significant impact” on the 1b trees total.
“For example, if the recent 95 per cent replanting rate was maintained over the next decade, this would equate to 770m trees.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12200823

There appears to be about a 5% difference between what Forestry harvests each year and what they re-plant.

If the replanting rate is 95%, as reported above, it means for the roughly 50 million trees Forestry fells each year, 47.5 million are re-planted.
That’s 2.5 million less per year.

Shane’s figures are as wonky as Twyford’s numbers on houses.
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February 8, 2019 8:01am
- dave_c_
  
  Hang on – I was led to believe that Jones was crowing about 1 billion trees over and above the normal BAU occuring prior to this initiative.
  Perhaps ‘recalibration’ is being used to pull the wool over our collective eyes.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:08am
  - Colinxy
    
    No, Jones wants to have his cake and eat it too.
    
    Basically, if he cannot plant 1 billion trees, he’ll include everyone else’s tree plantings to boost his numbers.
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:18am
    - pdm
      
      We are putting a couple of hydrangeas in our garden in a few weeks time. Will it be mandatory to advise Jones so he can include them in the tree recalibration count
      
      Just asking for clarification.
      
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      February 8, 2019 8:33am
      - Colinxy
        
        Given this government’s attitude to liberty, they’ll probably make a “Captain’s call” in the near future and make it mandatory.
        
        So yes, it’s probably wise to keep receipts just in case.
        
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        February 8, 2019 8:40am
      - fluffykiwi
        
        Make sure you take the side branches off to make them into a tree and then they will count, unlike some of the pine trees that the nephs will be too tired to delimb and thin as the trees grow.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:19am
      - RF
        
        My neighbour who is a lefty has 3 Bonsai trees on his deck so I will ask him if he would be happy for Tugger Jones to include these in his total.
        
        Always willing to contribute to a good cause.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:27am
      - Woz
        
        I’m presently negotiating with the neighbour to have his nuisance gum tree removed. If PDM’s hydrangeas are included in Shane’s total, then surely the gum tree must be subtracted?
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:44am
      - Colinxy
        
        Woz, sorry but no.
        
        We know this because while the commercial trees being planted are being counted, Jones isn’t removing the (commercial) trees being cut down from the total.
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:37am
      - Fixit
        
        We had a living tree inside at xmas. It’s outside now, does that count as a plus one? Do we subtract one next xmas?
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:46am
      - Colinxy
        
        Fixit,
        
        Tricky. Perhaps one of the 118 MBIE staff in Wellington could inform you?
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:53am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I do think you should email Shane and tell him this so he can include the numbers. The reaction might be interesting !
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:35pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I planted 80 native ‘trees’ before xmas, should I tell Shane?
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:45am
      - MH
        
        I crashed my A35 into a copse of virtual trees and am having a devil of a job getting my insurance company to payout, I even had colour photos from Photoshop included.
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:01am
    - Nermal
      
      He’s so desperate he’s going to include the self seeding wilding pines in Marlborough
      https://goo.gl/images/hVTAJb
      
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      February 8, 2019 12:38pm
  - Yvette
    
    Forest Nursery Growers Association president Kevin Haine said its member nurseries would grow 100 million tree seedlings this year, almost double the 54m trees grown two years ago.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/109810764/400-a-day-to-plant-trees-but-no-one-wants-the-job
    
    So 54 million seedlings grown and presumably planted in 2016,
    before Shane was involved.
    If Forestry still re-plants about 50m, that is half of the 100 million tree seedlings to be grown this year.
    Which leaves Shane with 50m
    And that is 50m less than the 100m a year goal.
    
    And Shane can’t count Forestry’s 50m re-planting – because that is what it is: RE-planting, to RE-place the rough 50m they will chop down.
    Net difference, perhaps about 2.5 million.
    That’s what Forestry does, Shane – they re-plant trees where they have already chopped down roughly the same number. Excess of trees: about zilch.
    
    Shane’s figures are as wonky as Twyford’s numbers on houses.
    
    Shane’s Davy Crockett backwoodsman-come-politician orator act is becoming self-fulfilling.
    Except Crockett was way smarter: Raised in the woods so’s he knew every tree
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:37am
  - tf78
    
    Speaking of trees and Phil Goff’s planting promises – does anyone know what his count is.
    
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    February 8, 2019 11:35am
- KiWombat
  
  I suspect that after fires in recent days there will be considerably less overall tree numbers now in the Nelson district.
  
  On the other hand, vast swathes of land have now been cleared, and with minimal effort will be ready for planting in a month or so. Shame Jones had better start lining up his bro’s with their shovels – yeah right !
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:11am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Geez, your asking a lot! That’s going to be too far for the bros to travel to work?
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:14am
  - redeye
    
    Shane wont be able to buy his seat by spending money in Nelson.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:01am
    - peterwn
      
      And he would suck up jobs there making it harder for the Talleys to recruit staff. That would never do.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:12am
      - sooty
        
        No. Whinney would be in his ear!
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:21am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    How is the “green” growing down that way, that’s an incentive, although it leads to tiredness and an inability to get up off the couch.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:20am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    There will be further tree-planting required in the far north as well, once the Ahipara fire is extinguished.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:27am
- david
  
  You would need to plant 2x the number of trees harvested to allow for thinning and failures so looking at +- 0.5% is getting too precise.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:32am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Jones always made it clear that the 1 billion trees included commercial planting, which is about 50 million per year. I am pretty sure the commenters in this site actually know that since it has been said so many times.
  It has always seemed to me you shouldn’t just invent facts to suit ones own narrative. People see through it.
  So the issue is whether the govt will plant an additional 50 million this year on top of the commercial planting.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:42am
  - Colinxy
    
    Not quite. There’s the pre-election promise versus the post-election revision to be taken into account. WinstonFirst is being duplicitous and therefore deserve the mocking we give them.
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:49am
  - Local Miller
    
    As I recall Wayne, Liebour initially said they would plant 1B trees over 10 years, and there were no caveats. It was only after the election when people started pointing out this was going to be a mammoth task and that forestry already plants 50M a year that they prevaricated and started saying their numbers included what forestry were planting. We should be holding them to account for their original, pre-election promise.
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:58am
    - Yvette
      
      NZ Labour Party and New Zealand First Coalition Agreement –
      Regional Economic Development and Primary Industries
      • A $1b per annum Regional Development (Provincial Growth) Fund, including:
      • Planting 100 million trees per year in a Billion Trees Planting Programme.  
      https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/sites/default/files/2017-10/Labour%20and%20New%20Zealand%20First%20%20Coalition%20Agreement.pdf
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:30am
    - lifesgood
      
      Who is Wayne Mapp? Name is vaguely familiar but I don’t know why.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:38am
      - Paulus
        
        Wayne is a regular correspondent on the Standard.
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:08pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Of course we should, isn’t the standard, ‘what the ordinary person’ would take any statement to mean, you know, at face value?
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:49am
      - sooty
        
        But you have to read between the lines, silly!
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:23am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Paulus
        You will have noted my comments on The Standard are from a conservative viewpoint. I am frequently the subject of pretty servere attacks from their left wing commenters. Often described as an extreme right winger and defender of evil neo liberalism.
        I would describe myself as a moderate, certainly more so than many commenters on this site.
        Moderates tend to be attacked from both sides. And in febrile atmosphere of the blogging world, being a moderate can be a difficult place.
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:24pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Wayne Mapp, thank you for that. Someone who can stand back and regard things critically prepared to see issues from different perspectives and often in all their complexity.
        
        Like all good centrists both left and right!
        
        Excellent and please continue to light the candle in a cavern of darkness that is often with rabid KB posters.
        
        BTW a chance to pay tribute to an exceptional colleague of yours interviewed recently on RNZ,
        
        https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018679414/bookmarks-with-chris-finlayson
        
        A fine tribute with Gerry Mulligan!
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:37pm
    - Colinxy
      
      It comes as no surprise to me that an ex-MP is completely inured to duplicitous speech.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:57am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    that statement came much later than the original. Got to get the timeline and keep to the timeline, something very difficult tor NZ first to do.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:21am
  - Woz
    
    Vain Shane certainly never made it clear in all his huffing and puffing about the 1 billion that the annual 50 million would form half the eventual total. His chest swelled, his good eye and his index finger lifted towards Heaven, and he declaimed and decreed and boasted without ever once, in my recollection, mentioning the existing commercial contribution. It only started to be slipped furtively into his narrative when it became clear that the 1 billion was mere wishful thinking.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:51am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Actually he did and pretty near the beginning of the govt.
      Yeah I get the mocking, but there are wayvbetter targets than Shane and his trees. Kiwi build being the obvious, but also Willie Jackson.
      However Shane’s over the top rhetoric does attract as per the comments here.
      But I reckon by the end of three years he will probably have quite a lot to show in his portfolios. Unlike some others in government he has a solid business record and knows how to deliver.
      
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      February 8, 2019 1:11pm
      - Colinxy
        
        Yes, “pretty near the beginning”, i.e. a shift in the goalposts, so even you agree that there was a lie. We’re going to take them at their original promise and not allow them to get away with deceit as politicians are wont to do.
        
        I think you underestimate our ability to mock the COL over many things at once. While Kiwibuild is a doozy, the PGF is getting close to that level of absurdity. I’m in no way convinced that Jones will have much to show for his efforts, even as a blatant vote bribe he’s proving a bit of a loser.
        
        True, there’s a year to go but thus far he just proves he’s an incompetent blustering buffoon.
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:33pm
      - softail 1450
        
        Wayne ,have you heard a whisper that there may be job lined up for you with the Jones circus? get much more cuddly with the COL and you’ll be swapping spit with Jones in the shower FFS.
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:56pm
      - Faroffsound
        
        He may have a solid business record and know how to deliver but he should never have been put in charge of managing that much money.
        The temptation to use it to buy NZF a seat for 2020 will be irresistible.
        
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        February 8, 2019 2:21pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Wayne, Jones’ over the top rhetoric, are you trying to be ironic with an understatement? This morning, yet again we get Jones telling us that someone he disagrees with is past it and should move on. In this instance it is the the Chairman of the Northland Regional Council.
        
        The circumstances was the ceremony for the sod turning for a roundabout south of Whangarei, that is estimated to cost the taxpayers $27mill from the PGF (how many permanent jobs will that create in Northland?). Anyhow Jones took a verbal swipe at the Chairman because he had the temerity to question the value of the roundabout in favour of a 4 lane highway to Auckland. Jones took a swipe at the Chairman saying he was out of touch with what people want. However, it is Jones running away with his mouth & it is him who is out of step with what the north wants, because last year ALL of Northland’s senior politicians went to Wellington to lobby Twyford for the 4 lane express way.
        
        So, may be it is Jones who should move on, because it is he who is out of step with what the people want?
        
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        February 8, 2019 5:43pm
  - Ruawai
    
    That would be like Twyford taking all the privately built homes this year into account.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:52am
    - Colinxy
      
      You know that they’re going to do that at some point, aren’t you? After all, they’ve been buying off developers already. It’s only a matter of time before all houses built in NZ will count towards the ‘success’ of KiwiFlop.
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:57am
  - holysheet
    
    Nothing like a has been politician to try and defend the indefensible. Still waiting for the call from the lefties are you Wayne?
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:04am
  - howitis
    
    Jeez Wayne.
    
    Let me see, Mapp says:
    “you shouldn’t just invent facts to suit ones own narrative”
    
    That is exactly what NZ First/Labour/and the Misandrist party do every day re:
    >> child poverdy and family violence
    >> Kiwifail (Houses Div’n)
    >> Tree planting bedtime stories. Duh cuzzies din get outta bed so no treez planted today.
    >> Make education better …by removing parents as active stakeholders and handing the power to union bastards
    >> ‘No strikes on my watch’ sweetly says dizzy JacinDuh
    >> A Really, Really, Truly, honest Injun, pinky shake, Transparent Government for all to see 🙂
    >> We don’t need to stick nasty crims like Graeme Burton; Joseph Thompson, or William Bell in prison because they are really good boys, help grandma with her shopping, and are just fkg misunderstood.
    >> Ardern’s ‘I could never lie’ – the GREAT LIE to rule them all,
    
    Jeez Wayne.
    Get real!
    
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    February 8, 2019 11:36am
    - stigie
      
      Is Wayne trying to “not” knock the socialists around so he can get back on the all left panels at Q+A and the Nation..?
      Just asking for a friend !~
      
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      February 8, 2019 1:10pm
    - stephieboy
      
      howitis,
      
      to give him credit Wayne Mapp lives in the real and not the delusional world of your simplistic pet hates.
      
      Jeez, get a life!
      
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      February 8, 2019 1:47pm
      - softail 1450
        
        septicboy, “pet hates” holy crap septic you’ve been told before about mentioning animals on this blog .
        Stop being such a suck arse ,Mapp doesn’t need you to boost his ego that’s for sure.
        
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        February 8, 2019 2:01pm
      - Tall Man
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 8, 2019 8:59pm
- rockape
  
  May need to plant a few near me down in Wakefield!
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:36am
duggledog

Disappointing to hear former TVNZ news reader Peter Williams singing the praises of Michael ‘I’m going to get stuck into them’ Cullen for:

A: Paying down NZ’s debt and

B: Setting up Kiwisaver / Cullen Fund.

Can Mr Williams seriously be that vapid?

A: Cullen paid down debt by arse-pounding the long-suffering NZ taxpayer. That’s all he did. What a genius. I am more impressed with politicians who are able to grow the economy, not tax it to death. Instead of growing the NZ economy in the biggest global boom since WW2, Cullen’s government had it in recession before the GFC hit. Skills!

B: Kiwisaver – again all Cullen did was bribe NZers to save by using their own aforementioned Taxes as an ongoing incentive.
So: that’s low and middle income NZers who need to save, because they’re not saving any money, because Labour makes them impoverished in the first place. LOL.
Kiwisaver is not Government guaranteed, it is difficult to access your own savings if you really need it, and Cullen’s about to recommend taxing those funds AGAIN with his CGT.

Peter Williams: You.Cannot.Tax.Yourself.Into.Prosperity.
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February 8, 2019 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  The guy’s a fuck knuckle no body.
  
  His opinion is no better than anyone else’s other than TVNZ turned him into some sort of “personality” for reading a teleprompter.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:19am
  - Ross12
    
    Peter used to be very good in sport commentary/ journalism before he got into the telepromoter reading business.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:36am
    - dave_c_
      
      No – Before he jumped on the gravy train, and turned a blind eye to all the propoganda and lies he spouted every news session
      Absolutely sold his soul- to the arseholes and their communist agenda, and the money !
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:18am
- Paulus
  
  Have heard that he may be going to stand for Mayor of Tauranga hence the PR continuation.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:33am
- KH
  
  Cullen is a prat. But Kiwisaver was a good idea for the low income people.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:07am
  - rockape
    
    It was but there was a bit of false marketing around the Government contribution which as always is a Taxpayer contribution. IE YOU PAY!
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:39am
    - KH
      
      Yep. Very happy to see the government (our) contribution cease. And in return it should be compulsory.
      Always this will get the refrain that some people can’t afford to save. Meaning to me that that exact group can’t afford not too. Kiwisaver means they won’t be on benefits (taspayer money again) forever.
      
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      February 8, 2019 1:38pm
- Woz
  
  Peter Williams as a social/political commentator makes me laugh. He’s an incredibly boring man who’s read autocues for 40 years. How he qualifies as a font of all wisdom is a mystery to me. His opinion is of no more importance than yours or mine. And possibly less credibility.
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:01am
  - DigNap15
    
    He has to find a way to make some money, other than working.
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:20am
  - lifesgood
    
    Yeah, agree, but he at least did say that this plastic bag ban is a rort and a nonsense.
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:40am
  - Morrissey
    
    I agree with you mostly here. However, in the interests of fairness, I have to admit that, in stark contrast to such mindless autocue readers as Simon Dallow, Hillary Barry, Susan Wood and Simon Shepherd, Peter Williams occasionally showed he had a brain and a conscience. On one memorable occasion in 2014, at the height of that year’s Gaza massacre, Peter Williams grimaced and looked very unhappy after reading out a piece of low propaganda that might have been written by someone at the Israeli consulate.
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-03102015-2/#comment-1077971
    
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    February 8, 2019 12:39pm
    - Woz
      
      I’ll grant him that. He’s a peg up from Dallow and the banal Petrie.
      
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      February 8, 2019 1:38pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Wendy Petrie? I’d almost gotten that bimbo out of my head. Thanks for reminding me, Woz, you bastard.
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/02/does-wendy-petrie-ever-think-about-what.html
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/she-just-turned-fifty-though-youd-never.html
        
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        February 9, 2019 10:26am
    - marleybob
      
      Is that the massacre by Hamas on the 3 Israeli students.
      
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      February 8, 2019 4:47pm
      - Morrissey
        
        ???
        
        Go away, Nazi.
        
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        February 8, 2019 8:01pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Is it different when the Hamas kill innocents?
        
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        February 8, 2019 8:21pm
Lee C

“Ooh Shane, is that your tree? ooh it’s so big Shane.
We’ve been very naughty, Shane, why don’t you bring that wood over here and give me and Melinda a little old-school punishment? Oooh Shane, what a stiff, long branch you have…”

Sorry. That’s just how seriously I take the clown.
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February 8, 2019 8:05am
- softail 1450
  
  Lee C, its not a branch in his hand ,its the TV remote and the vaseline,,the fricking bloated wanker.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:24am
G152

Cullen —— train set.
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February 8, 2019 8:05am
- sooty
  
  “Dead Granny Tax”
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:18am
Steve (North Shore)

SOTN speech by Taxinda.
Well look, New Zealand and Aotearoa are fucked, yes fucked, but not completely fucked. I still have a way to go yet. Plenty of money but I can see the bottom of the tin, and more money coming as Taxes rise. But let’s not think of the SOTN now, let’s think 2021 when we will have more houses, more trees and more refugees. I don’t know the numbers as I have not made them up yet, I’m just too busy. If the numbers are not correct we will just recalibrate. Let’s do this, let’s fuck NZ together
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February 8, 2019 8:06am
- Komata
  
  Steve@0806
  
  And BTW Mr UN Secretary General Sir, I hope you’re watching and noting how well I’m doing, and Helun sends her Lurv…
  
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  February 8, 2019 11:17am
secondcumming

Anyone else think *Sarah Dowie* looked way hotter than Jacinda on the TV News last night?
Simon should put her on the front bench and beat Labor at their own game….
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February 8, 2019 8:08am
- cmm
  
  You are of course welcome to your tastes, but I struggle to fit Jacinda and hot in the same sentence.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:12am
  - holysheet
    
    Given that jethro has skited about 100’s of past conquests, if Cindy is what he has ended up with, the others must have been real dogs.
    Just saying….
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:49am
    - cmm
      
      None of the other sounded like they’d be good for a new boat and a Landcruiser to tow it.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:29am
      - howitis
        
        I trust that the Landcruiser and boat are powered by fairy dust and hot air because his chicky babe shut down the oil and gas industry in NZ!
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:11pm
      - auckwood
        
        Jethro isnt a gold digger, his successful association with Karel Sroubek is all that he needs to fund his own boat & tow vehicle desires!
        
        Probably just likes seeing his reflection everytime cindy smiles at him is why they fell in feelz with each other
        
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        February 8, 2019 2:57pm
    - Woz
      
      Maybe dogs is what they were.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:02am
      - lifesgood
        
        Dogs lie down with fleas, just saying.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:43am
    - freethinker
      
      Holysheet – You don’t look at the Mantlepiece when your poking the fire. If Taxinda and me were the only human being left on the planet our species would become extinct.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:17am
  - Chris R
    
    The missing link is: Jacinda-(Fish ‘n’ Chips)-Hot.
    
    There are no other equations rendering Jacinda as anything like “hot!”
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:22am
  - lifesgood
    
    I know it is unfair to talk about someone’s looks but I honestly cannot bear seeing Jacinda’s teeth when she talks, especially the side on view. It is quite horrendous. Does she come from a poor family? If not why didn’t they give her the benefit of braces?
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:42am
    - calendar girl
      
      She certainly didn’t come from a “poor” family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ardern
      
      She won’t admit it, but she has had a very protected, ‘official’ and ‘diplomatic’ family background.
      
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      February 8, 2019 7:12pm
- KevOB
  
  Sarah Dowie is a lot brighter too than unmarried mother Ardern.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:40am
  - Disillusioned_Voter
    
    Probably, but recent, poor life choices will unfortunately be the measure of her intelligence for the foreseeable future… 🙁
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:03am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      If having an affair was the standard by which we judged suitability for Parliament, there wouldn’t be so many takers for the job.
      
      I predict that Dowie will survive this, and the good folk of Invercargill will forgive her indiscretion. They will understand that Ross lured her into being his “Wellington wife”, and even though it takes two to tango, she will pull through this. Who knows; she may even one day release the texts from Ross that preceded her outburst.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:34am
      - Disillusioned_Voter
        
        I didn’t say the yardstick is right or wrong, just that it would be the interim measure of her intelligence (and the value of which would be directly related to public opinion of JLR).
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:04am
    - peterwn
      
      There are no bright lines on morality in the modern world. She has two avenues of redemption in the coming year. Firstly she can convince her electorate especially National members that she is worthy to continue being their MP after 2020. Secondly she can convince her leader, caucus and list selectors that she is worthy to retain her #17 position or similar and not be downgraded to an impossibly low position.
      Jami and MSM would dearly love Simon to ‘bite’ their bait on this business. Various statements have been made about some police investigation with vague assertions being treated as ‘fact’. They can be taken with a pinch of salt. Simon from his previous work experience would be quite capable of forming a view on what seems to be gong on and whether any charge (if it came to that) would fly. There are two possible charges that could be laid, a jury trial can be elected for either and a conviction for either means she is out of Parliament. In either case the prosecution would need to prove the charge ‘beyond reasonable doubt’.
      A reaction from Simon at the moment would play into Jami’s hands. Simon may already have his hand on the Whka Hopper lever ready to pull it at an appropriate time when he has his ducks in a row.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:41am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I think we’ll see a somewhat subdued Jamie Lee when he returns to parliament. There’s bills to pay afterall. He’s hardly likely to put his foot in it again.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:12am
      - toby1845
        
        Maggie: who told you it was a foot?
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:43am
      - tf78
        
        They’re trying to paint the picture that JLR got the text on the night he tried to off himself – I don’t think it bares any relationship to the timeline whatsoever. I’d love to know what JLR said to Dowie for her to respond in such a way.
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:48am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Toby: That’s just something I consider to be the measure of a man 🙂
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:25pm
      - Paulus
        
        Should a Jury case arise – will not – the we will see all those involved in the JLR affairs – some female media people will be shitting themselves about their personal involvement with JLR in a witness box in the High Court.
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:14pm
      - KH
        
        @ Maggie. Jamie will put his foot in it again. And just a week or so ago he did it with his apology – errh non apology – errh. Blame everybody else they made me do it – errh.
        He will go with it again for sure. Simon will just treat him as invisible, which is the right thing to do.
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:44pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I don’t agree.
      
      Privately ask any parliamentary press gallery member about who is shagging who and you may well be surprised.
      
      As a client of mine once sad many years ago, “if they can’t be trusted to not cheat on their wives and husbands, what hope is there for us”.
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:38am
  - Woz
    
    I know I’d rather wake up in bed with a post-JLR Sarah Dowie than a post-Clarke Jacinda. But that’s just the male chauvinist objectifier of women’s sexual attributes in me speaking.
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:04am
    - Tall Man
      
      Which is only a really really small part of your nature..like the rest of us pale stale white men 🙂
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:39am
      - Woz
        
        Although I’ve been in the close presence of neither, some kind of primal instinct tells me that Sarah smells better.
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:13pm
      - toby1845
        
        Well, she certainly wouldn’t smell of fish.
        
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        February 8, 2019 3:10pm
      - Woz
        
        I was going to say that myself, toby, but I thought it might be a step too far. He he.
        
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        February 8, 2019 4:00pm
      - toby1845
        
        Thanks Woz, but I’m not sure why.
        
        I was referring to her previous employment as a fish fryer. It can be hard getting rid of the smell of fish, especially after long-term exposure.
        
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        February 8, 2019 5:15pm
- Harkman
  
  Way hotter and that calling him a “toe” and “you deserve to die” line is hilarious. Cindy’s problem is her teeth addiction has distorted her head.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:53am
  - Batman
    
    Harkman: I think she was referencing JLR having an ingrown toenail, rather than calling him one.
    
    Either way, that is one of the best takedown texts I’ve ever seen.
    
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    February 8, 2019 1:04pm
waikatogirl

Cindy is to give a speech on the economy this morning. It is important business operators in NZ have confidence in the economy. Kirk Hope from Business NZ has confirmed that most on the Tax working group have recommended a CGT. Will Cindy announce the proposed envy tax today?
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February 8, 2019 8:09am
- mandk
  
  I watched a minute or two of the speech before I cold bear it no longer.
  
  The main impression I got is that the PM is so obviously out of her depth on economic matters that she has to read the speech, rather than deliver it.
  
  Now, what was GDP, again?
  
  Yes, that’s it: Government Deceitful Promises.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:26am
  - waikatogirl
    
    GCT to be voted for at the next election. Robbo will have it already to pass into law once voters have mandated it.
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:55am
    - sooty
      
      Nah! Captains call, let’s do this!!
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:31am
    - Batman
      
      Waikatogirl, they’ll pass the legislation prior to the election, so it’s ready to go and comes in on 1 April 2021.
      
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      February 8, 2019 1:05pm
      - Paulus
        
        If she gets re elected.
        She will not as she and Peters crash out and the Greens do not get their share of the greens.
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:16pm
  - RF
    
    She is only a puppet that reads the speeches prepared by her numerous speech writers who must cringe when she murders their carefully crafted
    words.
    
    She must dread question time when asked to explain what the content relates to as she does not have a clue.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:46am
    - peterwn
      
      National MP’s will be kind to be cruel at Question Time. They will appear to go easy on her but the trap will spring at some point. There is no point hammering her too much at QT while public sympathy is on her side.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:03am
    - Sacha
      
      I am amazed at the obvious incompetence of her advisors. If they were at all up to the job they would be making sure that what she says/reads makes logical sense. But maybe that’s why there’s such a high turnover in the PMs office – she can’t, or won’t co-operate.
      She needs to have lessons. I counted 8 ums and ahs in one sentence – before I gave up and turned off.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:14am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    It is all in the delivery apparently.
    
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    February 8, 2019 12:09pm
- freethinker
  
  I saw Kirk on AM with Duncan Garner this morning and he implied Joe Public was supportive, another left wing nut case polling his own biased brain. Nevertheless less Cindy please confirm you accept that CGT at 33% is acceptable to voters and discover the result of a real poll.
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:23am
cmm

Dear PriNZess

You speak of caring. You speak of how wonderful socialism is. In the past you have held Venezuela as an example of a wonderful socialist paradise.

Please look at Venezuela now where totalitarianism and putting ideology first (which socialism always brings) is destroying people.

People losing life and limbs due to lack of food and medicines which are widely available for almost free – thanks to capitalism.

Three million people have had to flee their homeland.

Is that your idea of caring?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12201842

If you think this is a once-off aberration then look at pretty much anywhere that has tried your revolting experiment: East Germany, Zimbabwe, Cuba, South Africa etc. Places where people will risk their lives to flee from. Places that could not feed their people. Places with extreme environmental degradation. Is that really the life you want for your child?

You’re no longer a 19-year old Polsci student wearing a Che T shirt and beret. You’re supposed to be an adult and have some sense.

You’re now a parent and a PM. Grow up.

If you want to care for people, and the environment, the first thing you need is a strong economy where you let productive people be efficient. That is the only way.

Take a good long look in the mirror. It is people like you, with attitudes like yours, that cause this terrible suffering to happen. Time for a change – of attitude!
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February 8, 2019 8:10am
DigNap15

SOTN speech by Simon Bridges
We want New Zealanders to look after themselves and keep more of their own money, so that they can do that.
Build everyone up rather than drag everyone down.
Plus Have you seen me play drums? Way more cool than Ardern in her ankle boots.
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February 8, 2019 8:11am
Happychappy

It sounds like everything in the Coalition is not as hoky doky as the media makes out, with Hooton making comments in his column that Jacinda an Winston could be looming for divorce. So interesting times already without Parliament sitting for the first term of the new year.
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February 8, 2019 8:12am
- cmm
  
  Calling it a divorce makes the relationship sound more solid than it was. It was never much more than a dumpster shag in the alley behind a club.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:16am
  - niggly
    
    Now that you paint the picture, I can see Jacinda as the hapless “club DJ”, and I guess Winnie would be the stereotypical gold medallion wearing, greasy combed haired, flash suit wearing “club owner” (with all the $$$$, power and typical dodgy connections to the “underworld”)??? What could possibly go wrong!
    
    Mind you, I’m sure other KB’ers can visualise a much different picture, if so, please share!
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:40am
    - RalphT
      
      No, no, don’t share! The images painted by cmm and niggly are more than a sensitive soul can take. Any more thoughts about shagging Cindy out the back and I’ll bring up my breakfast.
      
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      February 8, 2019 8:49am
      - Disillusioned_Voter
        
        Pass me the mind bleach when you’re done!
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:09am
      - stigie
        
        https://tuesdayshorse.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/the-world_s-top-10-best-images-of-laughing-horses-7.jpg?w=1088
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:12am
    - cmm
      
      That’s going a bit further than I intended, but it is a good metaphor for CoL.
      
      Basically Winnie said: “Show me how much you want this gig.” And Labour obliged.
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:29am
  - toby1845
    
    cmm….Yeech. That’s ruined my entire weekend.
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:28am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The thermonuclear meltdown is getting close, she already has the resting bitch face 24/7
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:47am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Three times so far Peters has been a Minister, and three times he has failed to last a full term. Why would we expect his fourth time to be any different from the other three?
  
  I hope that in the near future, Simon Bridges will rule out doing any deal with a Winston Peters-led NZF in 2020.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:41am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Pray who is this Simon Bridges of whom you speak?
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:06am
    - Sacha
      
      I think he is a bloke who is keeping a low profile while waiting for his time to come.
      Patience is a virtue, especially while others are intent upon their own destruction.
      In the meantime, we can all enjoy the show –
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:20am
      - Tall Man
        
        Exactly. Why waste your energy pointing out your opponent is an idiot when they are doing a fine job of it themselves.
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:33am
      - Dave Mann
        
        I think he’s very wise to keep a low profile… not because Ardern is making a fool of herself, but because he is a rather insignificant little squirt with an extremely irritating speech defect and he puts people off rather than turning them on, frankly.
        
        Bridges is totally unsuited to be leading the ‘opposition’ to this pack of mongrels that is destroying our country. What National needs is a dynamic leader who stands for something and is capable of grabbing his listeners’ attention and inspiring them with a vision for a better New Zealand. So far this simply hasn’t happened.
        
        If you think this guy is playing a clever game of cat-and-mouse, then I suggest you think again. Also ask yourself which of Ardern & Co’s disastrous policies Bridges has pledged to reverse. Oil & Gas? Immigration? Refugees? Back-to-the-seventies union extortion? KiwiBuild? Drug dealer friends of the PM? PGF corruption and incompetence? Wholesale release of dangerous prisoners? Labour party sex camp? The list goes on and on and several commenters have listed them at length here in KB and good on them for doing so.
        
        The only definitive statement from Bridges that I can think of has been on the CGT – and even his opposition to that was weakly worded and delivered almost in undertones.
        
        Up to now the only real opposition to this quasi communist scum has come from blogs like this. But the MSM worm is now beginning to turn so hopefully the public will soon start to see through the teeth, the baybee, the serious frowny face and the sheer incompetence of this dangerous government.
        
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        February 8, 2019 2:10pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Bridges has also said definitively that National will repeal the ban on oil and gas exploration, and will withdraw New Zealand’s support for the UN Pact on Migration. He’s also led scrutiny of the PM in the House over the Karel Sroubek residency issue.
        
        I think you need to read more widely Dave. Here’s a start for you 😀
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12031223
        
        https://www.national.org.nz/national_would_pull_nz_out_of_un_migration_pact
        
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        February 8, 2019 4:23pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Unlike ardern the liar, he is a man with the skills and team to lead our country.
      
      Shame that you can’t see that. Is that because you are just a stupid troll trying to be clever or is it that you are still under the spell of ardern the liar’s fairy dust?
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:32am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Read some of my other comments and tell me if you think I’m under the spell of Ardern’s fairy dust.
        
        And don’t call me a troll.
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:32pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Your pathetic rambling about Simon clearly shows that you are a troll.
        
        His performace in the house prior to the Christmas shutdown was outstanding but you either ignored that of think your negativity will counter his stellar work.
        
        It will not and the members of the National party will be behind this man in 2020.
        
        My estimation of you was correct I just mixed my comment a bit badly.
        
        I should have just said that you are a troll trying to be a smartarse.
        
        You failed.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:12pm
Chuck Bird

This is very interesting. If Matthew is right then it rules out Labour gifting NZF a seat.

Matthew Hooton: Divorce looms for Labour and NZ First

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12201695
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February 8, 2019 8:12am
- harvey wilson
  
  It put a smile on my face reading that this morning
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:14am
  - Jack5
    
    NZ First and Labour must be heading for a split on immigration.
    
    Labour’s Lees-Galloway has been pumping out releases on loose immigration policy, while Peters has been talking racing and the Aussie Foreign Minister’s visit, and about … anything but the border and immigration.
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:22am
    - DigNap15
      
      I hope so
      And what about the Capital Gains Tax, that will surely be a vote loser for NZF!
      
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      February 8, 2019 8:35am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Or a vote winner if they oppose it according to Hooten and Hosking.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:05am
      - hullkiwi
        
        It’ll be too late for them. As National need to paint it as guilt by association for being part of the CoL.
        
        It is not in National’s interest to let Peters First off the hook, the wipe out of NZF is an imperative!
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:33am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I am sure National will be discussing all options. Would it be better to rule out NZF and for it to get 2% or would it be better for it to get 4.9%?
        
        If National rules out NZF now they would unlikely not agree to CGT. National MPs or at least senior MPs will have access to poll and focus group result.
        They are in a lot better position than us to pick the right timing.
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:02pm
      - backster
        
        For a safe Labour seat Winston will buy the Capital Gains Tax.
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:13pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Jack I see they have taken notice of your post concernig Southland getting most of our refugees so, you will be pleased to see Lee’s Galloway announcing that New Plymouth is the place for refugees to call home this year.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:14am
      - Scott
        
        That’s brilliant. Let’s stop oil and gas exploration. Let’s put pressure on dairy farmers. In other words let’s drive Taranaki into recession.
        Now they want to send refugees there as well. What’s Labour got against Taranaki? Is Andy still sore they never elected him as their MP?
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:17am
      - Happychappy
        
        Sorry it was Whanganui and it is 100 refugees each year.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:47am
      - tf78
        
        Are these 100 hundred imports immigrants or refugees.
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:06pm
    - Scott
      
      Jack5 totally agree that immigration is a huge issue dividing NZ first and Labour. Labour promised to cut back immigration. Reports are they have not cut back immigration at all. Indeed they are going the extra mile to bring in refugees from 3rd world countries that no one else wants!
      NZ first identity is built around restricting immigration and looking after NZers first.
      
      We do need a party or leader that will actually put NZ first and not try and replace us with hundreds of thousands of foreigners.
      
      I’m praying for a leader like that but if anyone has any other suggestions I’m sure we’d love to hear them ?
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:15am
      - Jack5
        
        It sure looks like a gap in the political market, Scott.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:59am
  - sooty
    
    It ain’t going to end nicely!!!
    OHH! Goody, goody gumdrops.
    Note to self. Buy more popcorn!
    Just about the end of BBQ season as well.
    JacinDUHs off to work in a month.
    Still plenty of time to go shopping for new clothes and shoes. Jethro will love that, following along with the baybee!
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:27am
- KH
  
  That was just Hooten giving NZ First a guide book on how to go about it and survive past the next election. It’s actually very skilled advice.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:10am
- hullkiwi
  
  If what Hooton writes is true, then are several things that can be read into matters:
  1. As it is early in the electoral cycle (not even halfway), NZF are reading the tea leaves as to the future of the CoL and are prepared to shoot the govt to save their own butts. Which says no party can trust going into govt with them;
  2. The mismanagement of the Economic Provincial Growth Fund means they will not buy a seat;
  3. If there is politics in killing an agreed govt initiative, politics wins. So, they are unreliable;
  4. They have had 16 months as part of the government and working relationships between ministers is happening via intermediaries? What of the next 20 months, is this what NZ and Kiwis deserve from our government?;
  5. If Peter’s & co are looking for a signal from National, a few come to mind, none polite and there is only one option for Bridges and that is to say “NO WAY”, & work to see Peters et al out of Parliament next year. National must remind voters at every opportunity that a vote for NZF is a vote for Labour;
  6. This early in the 2nd year of this parliament & hints of issues within the CoL, suggests the SLG & her mates will be dead men walking to the next election aka the Palmer govt. With 20 months to go, things can only get toxic;
  7. Expect the Greens to eat into Labour’s support base, making JA a bigger liability.
  
  This promises for the next 20 months to get interesting, and Peters only plan now needs to be securing his baubles for his retirement!
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:15am
- niggly
  
  Just read MH’s article, cripes there is so much in there that is incredibly interesting and worth commenting about (hopefully DPF will make a separate posting later for wider discussion etc).
  
  But my question is why is NZF so concerned about Labour (i.e. distancing themselves from them/not working closely with them)? Despite Labour’s high polling? Are NZF privy to information about Labour that eventually the MSM will start to report on that will be quite unfavorable?
  
  Or is it just a con job to attract more supporters, that they have been hemorrhaging after selling NZ out on the Oil and Gas ban, plastic shopping bag ban, and UN migration compact etc?
  
  If so, sorry NZF, you made your bed with Labour and the Greens on these issues and there is no way the public will forget NZF stood in solidarity with LabGreens to fuck over Kiwi’s prosperity (O&G ban/future higher cost imports hitting Kiwi’s pockets), being inconvenienced at every shop Kiwi’s shop at by having to either carry goods home in their hands, or pay more for non-degradable plastic bags and having the UN dictate Kiwi immigration policy. 🙁
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    wynston the liar could kick ardern the liar in the teeth (no easy task unless you have a big foot) and helen clark in the nuts but I would still never ever trust that sleazy bastard ever again, and I doubt I am alone in that sentiment.
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:58am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Again? Did you once? Reminds me of my father in his later years lol, I never did.
      
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      February 8, 2019 8:14pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Nope but I did vote for him many many years ago as I felt that his presence would be a destabilising influence and I hate powerful government as that will only cramp NZ.
        
        I was right, he did destabilise but he was such a loathsome prick I could never do so again.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:17pm
- Ross12
  
  The most amazing thing about the article is the fact that the NZH actually published it.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:47am
- MrsAnnie
  
  Labour cannot gift a seat to NZ First- it wouldn’t work. The only Labour held seat that NZ First Polls over 10% is the West Coast. West Coasters do not let anyone tell them what to do- and the party vote there is firmly National who should win it but have an F**** useless list MP. Labour voters are low IQ and the concept of tactical voting elsewhere is beyond them, as stated they are not natural bedfellows.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:50am
DigNap15

Yes, put all of Nationals women on the front bench.
They all look better and dress better than Labour’s lot, who always look like they just got out of bed.
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February 8, 2019 8:13am
- DigNap15
  
  I wonder who down ticked my post?
  Does someone on here think that Nania Mahuta is hot? or Claire Curran?
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:34am
  - RalphT
    
    Actually I do get hot thoughts about Nanaia Mahuta; usually along the lines of “flaming hell”.
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:53am
  - hullkiwi
    
    ..not forgetting Meghan Woods.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:19am
    - alloytoo
      
      Who according to google has neither husband/partner nor children……
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:38am
      - Woz
        
        Does she? Or not? I’d love to know.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:08am
      - Disillusioned_Voter
        
        I looked on her page of the Labour website.
        it says:
        
        In between a busy schedule, Megan enjoys watching cricket, rugby and spending her free time with friends and family.
        
        And funnily, under “Latest from Hon Dr Megan Woods” there are 3 articles… dated 10/04/18, 06/11/17 & 29/03/17…
        what an achiever.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:16am
      - Nermal
        
        Then why all the hints about the Labour Camp perpetrator?
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:50pm
      - marcw
        
        Nermal, sorry Reported instead of reply. The reason there is no hints about the alleged perp is called the great “whitewashing of Facebook”. Nothing is left as evidence.
        
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        February 8, 2019 2:11pm
    - pdm
      
      Meghan Woods – known in our house as `miss piggy’.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:44am
      - Ruawai
        
        We call her Sharon from Kath and Kim
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:03am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Two for one deal with the larger than average person there, although no spare pies or seconds.
      
      Plus, there is the added excitement in the household around March sometime and it may not be someone’s birthday, aside from mine that is.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:55am
  - Happychappy
    
    Dignap15 Politics is a lot of fun but how would you like people to talk about you wife like that. I think that’s pushing it a tad to far.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:23am
    - DigNap15
      
      I cant help it if all the Labour women look like dogs.
      And my wife (g/f) is nice and slim thanks.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:28am
      - Nermal
        
        Nothing has changed over the last 50 years. Young Nats had all the attractive women, but if you just wanted a quickie Labour youth was the way to go
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:53pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Normally I would agree with you to a point but labour, in particular, have turned the country into a left/right battleground with all the election lies they told and the rabid attacks through social media which are still occurring.
      
      It was labour and wynston first that campaigned on “anti Chinese” rhetoric. Immigrants, good or bad, were relentlessly attacked by both parties as well as personal attacks on individual members of the National, Act and United Futures party.
      
      As far as I am concerned, this is a no holds barred fight to rid our country of these corrupt self serving scum.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:55am
- mustlovedogs
  
  #DigNap… Nanaia Mahuta looks like she is still in bed fast asleep.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:56am
  - holysheet
    
    When did she wake up?
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:15am
    - sooty
      
      Just in time to give somebody the bash!
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:37am
kowtow

Diversity dividend. UK

‘Fatal stabbings have reached the highest level on record, according to new figures revealing the scale of Britain’s knife crime crisis. The number of young people killed by knives rose by nearly 50pc last year amid a surge of murderous violence, Home Office analysis showed.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/07/fatal-stabbings-reach-highest-level-since-second-world-war/
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February 8, 2019 8:13am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow, like this young man ? ( from your link)
  
  “Last week, Nedim Bilgin, 17, was stabbed to death in a north London street with a so-called ‘Rambo’ knife because he refused to give up his bicycle. His grieving parents later described him as their “wonderful boy”.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:52am
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:38am
DigNap15

Yes, now Maduro is blocking aid coming in to his country!

As an aside, I would not be sending them any aid (aside from toilet rolls) as the sooner the peopl rise up and get rid of him the better.

Take photos of all the army guy’s and get their address. We will be coming for you!
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February 8, 2019 8:16am
Colinxy

Someone asked who Kamala Harris is:

She is a Democrat who is high in the intersectional rankings:

1. Female,
2. Part Black,
3. Part Asian (Indian),
4. Fruitcake (radical Left).

She is neither Lesbian, Transgender nor a Muslim, so another Democrat Presidential wannabe could score higher in the Oppression Olympics and beat her. She is married to a male and is a mother, so these are points against her as well.
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February 8, 2019 8:16am
- softail 1450
  
  Colinxy ,unfortunately Harris F___D her way to the position she has attained ,so no she wont be POTUS.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:40am
  - Colinxy
    
    That’s a Democrat disadvantage how?
    
    Have you heard about Leftard Zoë Quinn?
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:43am
    - Disillusioned_Voter
      
      #GamerGate 🙂
      #EthicsInGamesJournalism
      etc..
      
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      February 8, 2019 8:47am
      - Colinxy
        
        And Quinn slept around with Games “journalists” for favourable reviews. Quinn’s career seems to have improved after this revelation.
        
        Which is why I’m wondering why softtail 1450 thinks his reply shoots Harris out of the running.
        
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        February 8, 2019 8:54am
    - softail 1450
      
      Colinxy, its a disadvantage when the GOP smear campaigners start making it known to all the older female voters in the US what a gold digging whore she was in her younger political days, and they will make it known one way or another….
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:25am
      - Colinxy
        
        And the Democrats will fire back with the (routine but effective) false allegation that the GOP has a war on women, i.e. neutralised in an instant.
        
        I don’t think she has a hope in 2020, but 2024…
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:30am
  - Komata
    
    Softail@0840
    
    I understand she is also CANADIAN by birth, a fact that Pre-Obama, would have automatically discounted any attempt at the US Presidency.
    
    As with Obama, this small and inconvenient detail is not mentioned by the MSM, who if the turnout at her ‘running’ announcement is any indication, seem to believe she is ALREADY the President…
    
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    February 8, 2019 11:32am
    - CrazyIvan
      
      No, from Wikipedia (yes, I know it can’t be trusted), she was born in Oakland and moved to Canada when she was 12. Both her parents were immigrants (Tamil mother, Jamaican father). The 14th Amendment, the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court decision and a 1952 statute indicate that anyone born in the United States is qualified to run for president.
      
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      February 8, 2019 12:25pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Not that simple and could be challenged as neither ruled on the substance of what the presidential qualification is. She is a citizen though.
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:45pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Colinxy, thank you for that.
  I am surprised that Betfair have her the second favourite as short as $6.50.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:54am
  - Colinxy
    
    It will be hard for another Democrat wannabe to knock her out of the selection/nomination process – they will need to score higher in the Oppression Olympics to win. It’s one of the reasons Elizabeth Warren pressed so hard for her American Indian intersectionality.
    
    However, to win in 2020 she’ll have to convince the non-loonies to vote for her and against The Donald. That is a much more difficult prospect.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:06am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  She can’t be one of the “in-sisters” as she either didn’t get the memo to wear white to the SOTU, or chose to ignore it.
  
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  February 8, 2019 11:30am
  - Colinxy
    
    ? Harris was wearing white with her “in-sisters”. She’s the one in white vigorously shaking her head “NO” when Trump wanted help getting rid of sex traffickers from Congress in his speech.
    
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    February 8, 2019 12:00pm
Jack5

Interesting times for golf clubs and even bowls clubs as cities expand and the clubs’ land becomes highly valuable.

After an Auckland deal a former real estate agent gets a lifetime ban from all NZ bowling clubs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110419267/suspended-real-estate-agent-aaron-drever-receives-lifetime-bowling-ban
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February 8, 2019 8:19am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I know quite a bit about Drever and his activities. Frankly, he should be sharing a cell with the likes of Karel Sroubek. He sold a package of bowling club land to a company owned by his aunt for around $300k, and on the same day, it was onsold to a property developer for $870k. His foray into the grocery trade was an absolute disaster, and creditors are tens of thousands of dollars out of pocket after the business went belly-up.
  
  Eventually, he is going to shit all over the wrong people, and he will find out the out truth that every action has a consequence.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:48am
- peterwn
  
  Seems to be the most high profile bowls thing since the Auckland Womans Bowling Centre had a crack down in the 1960’s on members wearing skirts that were considered too short.
  
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  February 8, 2019 4:48pm
Simon

Napier high of 19
Whangarei high 21
Nwe Plymouth high of 21
Christchurch high of 21

Dear God how can NZ handle such punishment. The NIWA bedwetters have warned us so many times. Princess has said Christchurch at 21 degrees is nuclear issue of our time.

Comrades it is time for a new climate / petrol tax. Only then can the seas start to heal.
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February 8, 2019 8:19am
- niggly
  
  Also do people here think that this year’s summer hasn’t been as (consistently) warm compared to last year’s summer?
  
  If so, how will the MSM spin that NZ is getting warmer and warmer each year?
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:52am
  - madamezucchininz
    
    …..definitely not the lovely summer of last year…..in fact in Christchurch we had no decent summer until January…..have listened to all that bang on about us getting warmer…..whilst still in winter clothes in December…..
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:59am
  - tf78
    
    This summer takes me back to my childhood.
    
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    February 8, 2019 12:27pm
- Harkman
  
  Mate yesterday Chch only got to 16°c and for most of the day it was 14°c, I thought I was coming down with a cold.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:59am
- redeye
  
  Climate alarmism destroyed in 4 minutes by scientists.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqejXs7XgsU
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:26am
  - stephieboy
    
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    redeye, this post is germane in response to your video,,
    
    Oscar Cuchilo
    
    Tom Harris is a noted fossil fuel lobbyist and devout climate change denier. Besides working to further fossil fuel interests, he has done the same for the tobacco industry. Mr. Harris has been introduced as Dr. Harris by the denier lobbyists, but he is not a Ph.D. He has a Masters of Engineering.
    Next Dr. Richard A. Keen just cited the 20 yr old Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change! not the “Intergovernmental Panel on Global Warming“. It is called the IPCC because real scientists have been calling the phenomena “climate change” for decades. And that’s why cherrypicking data is not a valid scientific approach.
    Read more
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:56am
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:34am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Thank you for stopping that ‘other’ nonsense.
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:26pm
    - redeye
      
      Rule 3 of the activists handbook; when unable to attack the message attack the messenger.
      
      And did you mean real scientists like Al Gore and David Attenborough?
      
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      February 8, 2019 12:25pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Better tell the paleo-climatologists about that “cherry picking is not valid scientific…” because that’s just what they do ! It isn’t the only sin though, they also include upside down data and invalid data as long as these help bolster the political outcome that they want.
      
      The one and only genuine “Hockey Stick” exists because of cherry picked data, also known as post analysis screening. And it was climate “scientist” D’Arrigo who actually said “sometimes you have to pick cherries if you want to make cherry pie…”
      
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      February 8, 2019 12:50pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Speaking of… Remind me exactly why we shun nuclear power?
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:39am
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    Very expensive and have ample far less expensive renewables.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:57am
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy ,WTF ???????
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:47am
      - sooty
        
        How are they going to use renewables, with the present RMA? Stoopidboy.
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:48am
  - DigNap15
    
    And its very dangerous – eg shipping and storing nuclear waste, and shutting down retired plants!
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:29am
  - Komata
    
    MLB
    
    Becuse there is no suitable site in NZ that is both close to the largest consumer (Auckland) and safe in the event of a malfunction.
    
    It’s a long story, but put simply the old NZED did a very thorough analysis of this around 1964 and concluded it simply wasn’t going to fly.
    
    Hydro was far better, especially when backed-up by geothermal; hence the large number of hydro schemes that were subsequently constructed around the country.
    
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    February 8, 2019 11:37am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Not quite true, Kaipara North Head is a suitable site to provide nuclear generation for the largest concentration of population in NZ. And with modern designs you can have designs that auto-shutdown in the event of a major failure.
      
      Kaipara would be vulnerable to a 100-150 metre Tsunami, but if something like that occurred then as bad as a nuclear accident could be I don’t think it would be a major concern after that wave rolls almost unimpeded through the Auckland Isthmus with just the higher Volcanic cones remaining above the surge.
      
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      February 8, 2019 12:56pm
      - Komata
        
        Ed@1256
        
        The problem wasn’t the tsunamis etc, but the consequences of a Chenobyll (sp?)-type failure and the dispersal of a radio-active cloud over either (perhaps both) Auckland and Northland (NZ’s most heavily poulated areas BTW) with Whangarei city being in a direct line for such an event if the wind was from the SW (Antarctic / Tasman Sea) and Auckland if the winds were from the NE (from the Pacific). It depended on the season.
        
        And should the winds change direction during such an event (not an unknown occurence)…
        
        The NZED carried out numerous tests and finally concluded it simply wasn’t worth it.
        
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        February 8, 2019 3:29pm
  - KH
    
    @ Lovebucket. Because it’s best when you have a very big load and run it constantly the same. And that don’t work for New Zealand.
    
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    February 8, 2019 1:53pm
- Ross12
  
  It is not just NIWA –have a look at how bad they are in Aussie.
  http://joannenova.com.au/2019/02/six-weeks-ago-australian-met-bureau-predicted-a-dry-month-for-townsville/
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:55am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Ross 12,
    
    “Joanne “Jo” Nova (real name Joanne Codling) is an Australian writer, speaker, former TV host, anti-science presenter and a professional wingnut.[1] She maintains a blog which regularly regurgitates debunked climate denial myths, making her the poor Aussie’s Ian Plimer or Andrew Bolt.[2]..”
    
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Joanne_Nova
    
    Sigh!
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:00am
    - pentwig
      
      stoopidthing
      sigh!
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:12am
      - Tall Man
        
        I think the best think to do with steffy girl is no longer engage.
        
        Remind her that ardern is a liar and that she is an idiot.
        
        Arguing with a moron is just a waste of time and steffy certainly qualifies as a moron.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:34am
      - softail 1450
        
        Pentwig, I like septicboy,its a daily reminder to myself how lucky i am to have sound mind and body and the fact that my life isn’t burdened by being any sort of sexual pervert as septic is …
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:56am
    - softail 1450
      
      SEPTICBOY,,a googling maniac.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:49am
    - KevOB
      
      Do you shave yet?
      
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      February 8, 2019 12:21pm
Chuck Bird

For those near Hamilton, Tim Macindoe is hosting a Future of Education Public Meeting by Nikki Kaye.

It will be at the Cafe Agora 13 Kent Street at 4 this afternoon.

I will be interested to hear Nikki’s view about left wing teachers teaching NZ history.

https://www.facebook.com/events/803132756699810/
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February 8, 2019 8:23am
- hullkiwi
  
  Please can you ask her, what National proposed about the imbalance of funding, and provision of teachers and resources to support rural schools. Because if they are not prepared to look at there will be greater pressure put on schools in towns and on the urban/city fringe. Thanks, HK.
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:10am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    HK, It is hard to ask questions. If I can I only get one. I would suggest putting your question on Tim’s Facebook.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/TimMacindoeMP/?epa=SEARCH_BOX
    
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    February 8, 2019 12:11pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  As a former teacher himself, I am sure that Tim has his own views too.
  
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  February 8, 2019 12:32pm
kowtow

Oh look more diversity . Germany.

And unlike our “unruly” tourists , these people are very likely to be real gypsies , not that the media would tell the full story.

‘Four Romanian men have been arrested in Berlin for the forced prostitution of minors, including their own children, police said Wednesday.’

https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-romanians-arrested-for-pimping-children-in-tiergarten-park/a-47401330
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February 8, 2019 8:26am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The trouble with “gypsies” or any other tightly knit group that shuns outsiders and acts as a law unto itself is that its members see surrounding communities as “them” (vs. “us”). Because they have no connection with these communities, the “gypsies” are unaffected by the social norms, and feel free to do as they please.
  The trouble for them is that word gets around the community about the shenanigans of the roving minority (stealing stuff and making a mess), which eventually makes life harder for the wanderers.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:12am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Yes, the Nazis had similar prejudicial ideas and look at the solution they found!
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:38am
- GoVege
  
  Has been going on here for years too.
  Mums who already get a generous benefit from the long-suffering taxpayer pimping out their young daughters with the aid of the local gang.
  But nobody says anything because they are the tangata whenua.
  
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  February 8, 2019 12:00pm
secondcumming

Just arrived in at the office and started thinking……

its ok to be white
its ok to be black
its ok to be straight
its ok to be gay
its ok to be YOU!
but its never ok to stop at an amber light
when we could have both made it through
fukwit!!
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February 8, 2019 8:26am
- sooty
  
  TRAFFIC LIGHTS! You have traffic lights!!
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:33am
- Colinxy
  
  According to the Australian Senate, it is NOT ok to be white.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:45am
- Garbageman
  
  Move to Invers SC an amber light here means i dont give a fk if im a block away im still going to have a crack, being a red light dodging cyclist here is a game of Russian roulette
  
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  February 8, 2019 1:30pm
Paulus

Last evening I came into the room where out television is and looked and thought it must be the US Oscars.
But on further appraisal it was some woman in a state of total apoplexy not quite spitting but waving her arms around like Ardern does.
I thought she must be auditioning for a job with our Princess.
She was screaming like a demented harridan.
I hope she looks at the clip when she may be sober because if that is the best she can do she will not get the job or a Labour List seat.
What her husband (assuming she still has one) must think would be interesting. Understand he may be involved in the media so will be alright.
My daughter has renamed the situation when her young daughters get in a Paddy ! and start shouting and yelling.
It is now called a Tova.
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February 8, 2019 8:31am
- Komata
  
  Paulus @0831
  
  Not owning a TV, I evidently missed something.
  
  Can you precis’ it please (no link necessary)?
  
  Thanks.
  
  (BTW: Who IS that individual anyway; the name rings no bells).
  
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  February 8, 2019 11:42am
Disillusioned_Voter

@ Swifty,
last night you asked about God’s character. below is a link to an article responding to your first question (can one be good without God) which goes into some detail about God’s character.

can we be good without God
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February 8, 2019 8:35am
- Swifty
  
  Thanks DV.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:11am
  - Disillusioned_Voter
    
    Welcome 🙂
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:20am
- rangitoto
  
  Which god does it pertain to?
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:15am
  - Disillusioned_Voter
    
    Dr Craig typically argues first for a nondescript deity (timeless, space-less, necessary, transcendent, maximally good, etc.) then secondly that that deity is the Judeo-Christian God described in the bible.
    
    You can always read it yourself to find out 🙂
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:40am
DigNap15

If you were National and Simon Bridges would you declare now, that you would not work with NZF in the coming election.
I say yes, because that then forces NZF to stay with Labour and the Greens and swallow some of their policies.
Do it Now Simon.
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February 8, 2019 8:37am
- Prince
  
  Agree. Peters knows he can’t change horses and work with the party he has opposed so vehemently for nearly 20 years.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:47am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Simon saying NO would set Winston off like a stick of TNT. Jealousy and revenge would overtake him even worse than when JK had the balls to say NO to working with the vicious old bugger. Winston would be apoplectic with rage that Simon, that jumped up pipsqueak boy who kicked him out of Tauranga in an election joust has said NO again to the old man of NZ politics. ?
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:12am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Cunning as a “maori dog”, the dog that, according to its maori owner never left the property when you have photographic evidence of said dog mauling your sheep. But no the dog never left the owner’s side and has been sitting on the front porch all night long.
      Don’t call me racist, Maori want to be called Maori, even when mostly of European descent.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:31am
      - sooty
        
        No money in been a whitey!
        You have to go to work.
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:54am
    - freethinker
      
      Stress can cause fatal heart attacks so perhaps Simon is being genuinely caring of the Toxic Dwarfs health, unlike Glitter Tits.
      
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      February 8, 2019 12:35pm
    - Paulus
      
      Not yet for Peters – Remember it is all about timing in theatre land.
      
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      February 8, 2019 1:26pm
  - KH
    
    Winston will go where he needs to, to survive. Fought with them for 20 years ? All will be forgiven in a flash – if necessary
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:14am
    - Colinxy
      
      The problem in 2020 is he will still be remembered as the poisoned chalice.
      
      While Key’s 2008 decision to exclude WinstonFirst was brilliant, it became obvious that it was a millstone for National in the 2017 election. I believe Key fundamentally resigned so that National could form government with WinstonFirst due to that 2008 decision; I think it was obvious from the outset that neither ACT nor Dunne were enough to cross the line.
      
      If Bridges does eliminate WinstonFirst as a coalition partner in 2020, it might come back to bite him in future elections. Unlike others, I’m not convinced this is Winston’s last hurrah. I believe he loves power and baubles far too much to ever willingly resign from parliament.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:37am
      - MrsAnnie
        
        If NZ First are out in 2020, they will never be back. Winston will be 79 in 2024 and 20% of his current base would have literally expired by then. No Winston and NZ First are history.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        I disagree.
        
        Labour under little the coal miner was down and out at 25% ish.
        
        Sir John Key and Sir William English are astute men but I doubt they could have foreseen the impact on the electorate, especially among the dopey social media whores, that ardern the liar had.
        
        Her promotion and the msm’s complete adoration of her won this coalition the elction, if you could call 37% for labour a win.
        
        Prior to ardern the liar being made leader, National was set to govern alone but would have still invited any maori party mps to come sit at the table.
        
        Cheers
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:30am
      - Colinxy
        
        It is likely that WinstonFirst will be out in 2020. If Winston lives to 100, he’ll still want to be controlling the levers of power and baubles.
        
        There were enough gullible people in 2017, there will be enough gullible people in 2023.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:30am
      - freethinker
        
        Colinxky – But the grim reaper stalks and may strike without notice.
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:38pm
      - Colinxy
        
        True freethinker, death is about the only thing that might stop Winston clutching the baubles of office.
        
        For all I know, he might have a backup plan of being a corpse or zombie in office.
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:47pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      I’d be interested to know who rejected who in the National/NZF negotiations after the last election.
      
      Did Winston play Labour like an old fiddle because National had told the aged pirate to sling his hook?
      
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      February 8, 2019 12:15pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        The day before the election, Peters filed legal papers against a number of senior National MP’s over the leak of his superannuation overpayment. Do you REALLY believe he then negotiated with National in good faith?
        
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        February 8, 2019 4:29pm
      - stigie
        
        If only Bill English knew the prick had filed papers KS, Im sure Bill would have told him to fuck off !~
        
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        February 8, 2019 6:40pm
- brett68
  
  If Bridges doesn’t rule Peters out the old prick gets given a get out of jail card.
  
  Finish the old fucker off for good, Simon.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:04am
  - MrsAnnie
    
    Simon needs a reason- he is holding that card for 2020.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:58am
    - brett68
      
      Reason?, there’s a about three billion reasons to rule Peters out.
      
      This old prick with the help of labour has taken 3 billion taxpayer dollars to bribe himself and NZ First back into power.
      Three billion fucking dollars, imagine what good that money could do.
      
      Why would anyone want to deal with such a scum bag
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:05am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Brett, I am in total agreement. There is only one electoral strategy for National for next year and it is as follows.
    
    1. Win 45 to 47% of the vote (including picking up circa 2% from NZF);
    2. Electoral annihilation of Peters & NZF. National must rule out doing business with Peters & NZF;
    3. Keep Seymour/ACT in Epsom;
    4. Let Labour & the Greens fight over the left of centre vote. Labour must not be allowed on to the centre ground.
    
    By a process of mathematics, the above will ensure a National government. So the next 12 months will be about cranking up the pressure on the CoL, particularly if their failures & problems become as apparent as they have while they are on holiday!
    
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    February 8, 2019 11:03am
    - brett68
      
      I probably wouldn’t even bother with Seymour, the ACT brand is well and truly dead.
      If Epsom votes to keep him, good otherwise no real loss, people will still party vote National.
      
      Personally if I was going to give away I seat I’d give it to Vernon Tava, because that would probably take out the Greens.
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:44am
    - MrsAnnie
      
      I agree Hullkiwi, Simon has plenty of reason now to rule out Simon but he needs a watertight one for the public to swallow- Ron Mark and Tracey Martin making up stories about imaginary National MPs on flights is a good start….
      
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      February 8, 2019 12:04pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        We knew what you meant.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:17pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And a strong blue/greens and a policy around the Kermadecs, for one.
      
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      February 8, 2019 12:42pm
      - KH
        
        I am still angry about the lack of protection for the Kermadecs.
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:58pm
      - tf78
        
        I think Elliott Ikilei (New Conservatives) will take a lot of PI votes – he seems like a really good man and he said they wouldn’t go with Labour/Greens/Winston.
        
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        February 8, 2019 4:35pm
- Biscuit
  
  If I were Bridges, I’d run with the line that ‘Winston has shown himself to be unreliable as a coalition partner and we will refuse to negotiate with him. Of course, if a more sensible NZ First leader could emerge we would deal with him or her. But make no mistake, Winston will never feature at any Cabinet I head.’
  
  Cause some division within the NZ First ranks, like.
  
  Nothing ficusses a politician’s mind more than the fact that their cushy jobs are at risk because of one man’s self-servingness…
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:46am
  - septic skeptic
    
    When you say “a more sensible NZF leader” who do you have in mind? Jones or Martin?
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:51am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      That is the choice?
      
      The ultimate Hobsons!
      
      I would choose Bob, the parliamentary cat because at least he is capable of licking his own arse.
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:05am
      - Tall Man
        
        True but wynston only selects those that will lick his arse.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:39pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  I’d go one step further; completely rule out ever doing a deal with a Winston Peters-led NZF, but leave the door open to dealing with NZF if Peters retires. If there’s any dissent and division within NZF (and rumours say there most definitely is), just stir the coals up a,little 😀
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:51am
  - brett68
    
    I’d add the pompous windbag Jones to the list.
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:11am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Isn’t the Martin faction pro Labour?
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:34am
  - septic skeptic
    
    No. They are headed under 5% anyway. Just hold the button down and flush every last one of them down the toilet.
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:58am
    - Ross12
      
      Disagree ss.
      While I’d love to be proven wrong and you correct, there are plenty of opportunities coming up for Peters to get up in the polls. For example, when Shaw brings his Zero Carbon Act into Parliament Peters can just say NZF wants nothing to do with it. He can say to the Greens that Bridges has already indicated bi-partisan support for it so they do need NZF. He can stand up on immigration (even if he was the front person on the UN agreement). etc. etc.
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:27am
  - KH
    
    After Jamie-lee Ross it became apparent that Simon knows exactly what he is doing. He has gone right up in my estimation.
    Simon is not going to make a move now. He will hold steady despite all the wisdom of us Kiwiblog common taters. And move if and when he decides.
    
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    February 8, 2019 2:01pm
Steve (North Shore)

We could say that the Govt spends money like drunken sailors, but that would be unfair to drunken sailors, because the sailors are spending their own money.
Ronald Reagan
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February 8, 2019 8:41am
- Inandout
  
  Best say ‘drunken beneficiaries’.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:59am
Jack5

Is the Christchurch City Council’s PR Army writing for Stuff?Or maybe … it’s sarcasm.

An illustration with Stuff’s report today implies Christchurch ratepayers should celebrate with a beer because instead of a 5.5 per cent rise in rates, they will be up 4.98 per cent. For a $500,000 home, the householder will pay an extra $131 rather than $145.

The council has been struggling with quake recovery but has been splashing out on things including a $100 million library building, and its organisation has become bloated.

The council is clinging to full ownership of assets that could be partly sold, and keeping the elite’s priorities served with street art and bike lanes.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/110421813/christchurch-rates-on-the-rise–but-not-as-people-expected
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February 8, 2019 8:47am
- Disillusioned_Voter
  
  Procurement process aside, the Library was a necessary replacement of a lost asset.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:51am
  - Jack5
    
    The new library is much grander and bigger than the central library damaged in the earthquake. If it was of similar proportions, surely insurance would have covered most of the cost.
    
    No doubt, the new central library is a splendid building for a city the size of Christchurch. But the city isn’t yet fully on its feet after earthquake, and rates inflicted on home owners are soaring.
    
    Reports of costs have varied, but the latest I noticed was $85 million. Given the council’s reluctance to release the cost of the library’s $1 million-plus wall it’s not unreasonable to be sceptical about the declared total cost of the libary.
    
    Christchurch has a successful spoke and hub library service, with good use of suburban libraries with books being moved between libraries and a central book store. The central library seemed to be evolving into a resource facility.
    
    The new building is five storeys, and is 9850 square metres. Here’s a preview that was printed on Stuff before it was opened:
    
    ”A light-filled central atrium would lead people up through the different levels of the library. The first floor, with its extended height, would be one of the most impressive spaces within the library and would house a 200-seat community arena, exhibition space, and areas for families, children and youth.”
    
    The library employs 180 people, with 45 new assistants hired. I have no beef with rates money being spent on books, and on librarians’ salaries, but that doesn’t justify the scale of the new library building.
    
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    February 8, 2019 1:03pm
    - Disillusioned_Voter
      
      Meh,
      It fulfills a number of roles on a single site and is somewhat future-proofed for space. It’s scale only looks out of place because the “Anchor projects” are dragging… (excuse the pun)
      
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      February 8, 2019 2:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        Let’s hope book publishing doesn’t end up all electronic. If it does, a working central library might squeeze into a telephone booth.
        
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        February 8, 2019 2:18pm
- Harkman
  
  It’s completely out of control.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:01am
- freethinker
  
  Don’t forget the $260 million wasted on Bike Lanes whilst the Eastern Suburbs still have lousy roads and sewage systems.
  
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  February 8, 2019 12:44pm
Maggie Pie

Can anyone help me decipher this txet from Golriz?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwRCkIXUYAAbsTl.jpg
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February 8, 2019 8:49am
- burt
  
  I think what she said was that it’s OK to subjugate woman in the name of Islam and hacking young girls bits off is something we ignore – but having a workplace with more men than woman is something the govt needs to address urgently.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:56am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Equality of outcome” = the rationalization used to justify totalitarianism
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:06am
- Colinxy
  
  It’s hard to parse gibberish, so no idea.
  
  Perhaps Golriz wants to be NZ’s (homosexual) dictator? It wouldn’t surprise me.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:24am
  - waikatogirl
    
    No wonder GollyG gave up trying to be a lawyer and joined the Green party wagon of weirdos. A better fit for her, but not great for the country!
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:42am
    - Colinxy
      
      She was a defender of genocidal maniacs. It stands to reason that she’d join an anti-human party as a continuation of her career path.
      
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      February 8, 2019 1:50pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… golly, she’s crackers or too much red wine.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:38am
- Tall Man
  
  Not a fucking clue.
  
  God our government is an embarrassment.
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:20am
- Ruawai
  
  I believe Chloe has a boyfriend but wants to give the impression or wishes she was homosexual.
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:23am
  - KH
    
    It’s quite the now thing to pretend you are sexually different. Not as popular as ‘revealing’ your struggle with mental illness though.
    
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    February 8, 2019 2:03pm
    - GoVege
      
      The latter is an attempt to make a dent in our suicide stats, KH.
      
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      February 8, 2019 2:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        53rd in the world last time I looked.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:42pm
Aunty

I see in today’s NZ Herald, that there is a concerning article on Venezuela “Venezuela blocks aid from entering from Colombian border” which details the socialist Venezuelan government’s effort to block desperately needed humanitarian aid entering the country.

In addition to detailing recent developments taking place there the article also covers some well worn ground in describing the economic crisis in Venezuela as well as attributing a cause but at no time does the word socialist, or socialism appear and neither is the blame for the current crisis in Venezuela attributed to the well known socialist policies of the Maduro government.

Why has the NZ Herald not allowed any use of the word socialism or socialist in this article?

Why has the paper not allowed any linkage between socialism and the current failings of Venezuela’s economy and the misery of its people as being the cause?

Why is the NZHerald protecting the reputation of socialism over its role in the Venezuelan crisis?

Why is the Herald not allowing any criticism of socilasim at all in this article?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12201842
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February 8, 2019 8:55am
- burt
  
  Why does the Herald not publish anything about Yellow Vests ?
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:57am
  - DigNap15
    
    Or the latest unemployment figures?
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:01am
    - burt
      
      Their ‘temporary’ editor is probably still in control of overall content.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:08am
    - fernglas
      
      That seems to be the subject of an editorial.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:15am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Don Brash’s equolenut speech at National Grievence HQ?
    
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    February 8, 2019 11:11am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “The move to barricade the border was a clear challenge to a US-backed effort by the opposition to bring humanitarian aid into a nation plagued by shortages of food and medicine.”
  
  These shortages are such a plague. I wonder what could have caused them? Natural disaster? War? Pestilence?
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:58am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    It’s hard to argue that socialism isn’t a pestilence on humanity.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:01am
- stephieboy
  
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  Aunty, probably because ” socialism” is a loose term often misused by the rabid as a form of abuse towards anything they can’t handle or don’t’ understand
  
  Recall also Hitler’s National Socialist party and government was everything but!
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:28am
  - alloytoo
    
    “Hitler’s National Socialist party and government was everything but!”
    
    On the contrary, Hitler’s economic policy in the 30’s was very similar to Roosevelt’s “New Deal” and probably more effective.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:56am
    - stephieboy
      
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      alloytoo, utter garbage! The Nazi economy was kept going in the 1930s by mainly rearmament and military spending
      
      https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/nazi-germany-military-expenditure/
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:05am
      - Tall Man
        
        You should take the hint, stick to commenting on what you know about which is fuckall and maybe how it feels to fucked by a billy goat but that’s it.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is really ignorant.
        
        I repeated this because you really need to take the hint
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        steffy knows fuckall.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:11am
      - alloytoo
        
        ” The Nazi economy was kept going in the 1930s by mainly rearmament and military spending”
        
        1. This is standard socialist policy, even if the only enemy is internal.
        
        2. Hitler’s government instituted a number of socialist style labour reforms which vastly improved the conditions of workers, minimum wages, paid holidays and the like.
        
        3. Large infrastructure projects (just like new deal) served to absorb labour resources and train people.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    You should take the hint, stick to commenting on what you know about which is fuckall and maybe how it feels to fucked by a billy goat but that’s it.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is really ignorant.
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:12am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Like the term alt right?
    
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    February 8, 2019 12:47pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Can’t even use the Herald for toilet paper. The red dye comes off.
  
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  February 8, 2019 4:34pm
  - Inandout
    
    KiP, the dye at least is synthetic water based, so is kind to your posterior.
    
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    February 8, 2019 7:59pm
Tauhei Notts

In 2014, John McDonnell, now Labour’s shadow chancellor, said that the socialist regime in Venezuela showed “the contrast between capitalism in crisis and socialism in action”.
In a way he never intended he has turned out to be right.
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February 8, 2019 8:58am
- Harkman
  
  John Minto was praising Chavez, I wish I could find the old opinion pieces.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:05am
- Wangas Feral
  
  That was until it became apparent that Venezuela was not doing socialism right. Next time. Maybe the new socialist president-in-waiting will get it right 🙂
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:07am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, funny how, after all these years, no one has managed to do it “right”…
    
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    February 8, 2019 12:09pm
- alloytoo
  
  This would be amusing if it wasn’t so sad.
  
  Socialist policies deliberately set out to break capitalism, when the inevitable economic collapse comes socialists bleat and wail and label capitalism as broken.
  
  Well of course it is, they bloody well broke it.
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:30am
holysheet

I was driving to Hamilton yesterday when Mrs Holy called me on my mobile.
“Take care on your drive today. There’s some maniac driving the wrong way down the Waikato Expressway”
Me: “Just one? There’s hundreds of the bastards!”
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February 8, 2019 8:59am
- Disillusioned_Voter
  
  old as the hills, but still a good chuckle. 🙂
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:15am
- Tall Man
  
  Oh dear…if only it was a joke…
  
  Those taniwha are a real problem….
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:07am
Salacious Crumb

This was posted a couple of times yesterday. A link to an article by Dr Muriel Newman on the misuse of the ToW, revisionist history and it’s implications to New Zealand.

https://www.nzcpr.com/aotearoa-new-zealand/

If you haven’t already, I urge you all to read this and share.
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February 8, 2019 9:10am
- stephieboy
  
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  SC, note the heading:
  
  “Aotearoa New Zealand”
  
  Yah!
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:20am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Are you ashamed of your European heritage stephieboy?
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      SC, not at all. It is something I accept and don’t make such a big fuss and feel insecure about as you appear to do.
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:42am
      - Tall Man
        
        Especially as you have so many other things to feel insecure about eh?
        
        Sexual dysfunction, like many labour camp attendees, attracted to male animals, an obsession with an unmitigated liar, a propensity to lie when asked direct questions, poor grammar and spelling, poor operation of cut and paste when trying to look clever plus extreme personal ugliness.
        
        Yep, we understand why you are so insecure..
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is sadly insecure.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:04am
    - Tall Man
      
      Pretty sure steffy is not of European heritage because English is certainly not her first language.
      
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      February 8, 2019 10:05am
- MickMac
  
  Thank you Salacious
  
  I find Tangata Whenua is a term some Maori use to elevate themselves over other New Zealanders…….
  I reject it as they reject our equality.
  If treason was still on the books I would consider the supporters and aiders of Maorism, as traitors to the other 85% of Kiwis and their children to come. Let alone our new migrants.
  
  The Moriori were here before Maori and possibly some red headed fellows too?
  So the arrogance of saying we are the “people of the Land” and all others aren’t, when you killed and ate the forebearers is both appalling and obscene.
  Least of all the slavery, concubinage, racism, infanticide and other abominations practised by Maori culture until after the Treaty of Waitangi was forced on them.
  
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  February 8, 2019 11:48am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘ Tangata Whenua is a term some Maori use to elevate themselves over other New Zealanders…….’
    
    The media do that too.
    
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    February 8, 2019 12:22pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Don’t be asinine. The Moriori were a Maori tribe (or more likely the remnants of a tribe) who fled persecution and ended up at the Chathams where they were able to settle. As a result of their formative experience they adopted some significantly different cultural norms. The DNA that we have makes that pretty clear.
    
    As for the red-headed people, there are similar myths across Polynesia including Easter Island so it is older than the settlement of NZ and probably just remembered historical mythology from some time back. There’s no real evidence of any such human inhabitants in NZ before the Maori arrived in the 12-13th century. Not that we might not find evidence at some point, but nothing of consequence exists now.
    
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    February 8, 2019 1:07pm
    - GoVege
      
      Sometimes light coloured hair in Polynesians is a result of malnutrition I’ve heard.
      
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      February 8, 2019 8:04pm
secondcumming

Money has once again gone missing from Fleetwood Mac’s dressing room.
They’re starting to suspect Stevie nicks.
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February 8, 2019 9:15am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  They misplaced a lead guitarist as well by all accounts.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:33am
DigNap15

Has Ardern’s’ $20,000 put the Nelson fires out yet?
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February 8, 2019 9:18am
- stigie
  
  100 million will !~
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:20am
- stephieboy
  
  Apparently an e Transfer from the consolidated fund to the Mayoral Fund.
  
  Your gold coin donation?
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    As expected, drivel.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    Thanks for the continuing opportunties to post this message steffy girl.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:59am
- MrTips
  
  Cost her less to put HardCor’s fires out ages ago….
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:29am
  - holysheet
    
    Are you sure those fires have been extinguished?
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:20am
    - stigie
      
      Can’t be holysheet, i live on the Nelson port hills and can hardly see the CBD for smoke. Hopefully a sea breeze kicking in will take it away !~
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:15am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        We have a cloudless day here in the Hutt Valley but there is a brown haze on the Western horizon.
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:21am
      - toby1845
        
        Captain M: that will be the Maori Caucus returning from Waitangi.
        
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        February 8, 2019 4:25pm
Manolo

Honorary member of the NZ Green Party:
https://news.grabien.com/story-ocasio-cortez-fixing-global-warming-requires-massive-governm

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said she has no qualms about acknowledging a so-called “Green New Deal” will mean unprecedented governmental intrusion into the private sector.

Appearing on NPR, she was asked if she’s prepared to tell Americans outright that her plans involve “massive government intervention.”
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February 8, 2019 9:18am
- Colinxy
  
  Also of relevance is that asking where the money will come from is not caring enough.
  
  “Moral truth” is more important than “factual truth” in Ocasio-Cortez’s world.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:26am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Factual truth” assumes that we all have the same point of view.
    
    A bucket of water to us is a swimming pool to an ant, but a small drink to an elephant.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:38am
    - Colinxy
      
      I get your point, but those are her words. She hates been asked where the money will come from, which is why she said (in an earlier interview) that “factual truth” isn’t important, “moral truth” is.
      
      The “Green New Deal” is just continued affirmation of her pie in the sky thinking and disagreeing with her is evil (sorry “not caring enough”).
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:45am
      - All_on_Red
        
        The guy who is really running her used to be on Bernies team.
        He’s taken the idea from there.
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:33pm
      - Colinxy
        
        Ocasio-Cortez will go further, faster, higher than Bernie.
        
        She’s too young to contend 2020 otherwise she could knock off Harris of her number 1 spot.
        
        She has Bernie supporters due to her unpriced insanity and she has the Oppression Olympics supporters on her side (plus the false claim that her family was poor, which is never ever fact checked by the MSM).
        
        The only support she doesn’t have are the centrists, and they’re practically dead in the Democratic Party due to Clinton being a two-time loser.
        
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        February 8, 2019 1:00pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Harrowing accounts of pre-European Maori culture from contemporary witnesses:
http://heretical.com/cannibal/nzealand.html

Modern Maori don’t know how lucky they are.
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February 8, 2019 10:08am
- kevn
  
  @Urban… Not that long ago either.
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:43am
- secondcumming
  
  Extract from ‘Here Be Cannibals’ …
  
  “Maori never ate the flesh raw, and preserved the fat of the rump for the purpose of dressing their sweet potatoes”
  
  And *Captain Cook* has the affrontary to describe them as ‘backward savages’……
  yet all this was taking place 200 years before Nigella!!
  
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  February 8, 2019 11:07am
  - GoVege
    
    Dunno if I can eat a potato for a while after reading that….
    
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    February 8, 2019 2:04pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Apart from the heat-loving kumara, the Maori didn’t have any other sources of carbohydrate (bracken fern is very hard to process). As a result, they depended on fats and proteins for their energy (like the Eskimo).
    If the Maori obtained the kumara from South America, pity they didn’t obtain the cooler-climate-tolerant potatoe. If they had, then the Maori population might have been higher.
    
    One point. If the Polynesians managed to obtain kumara from South America, what would have prevented them from bringing back some South American women as well?
    
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    February 8, 2019 6:22pm
    - GoVege
      
      Very interesting Odakyu-sen.
      Maybe the women jumped overboard when they learned their captors were cannibals. 🙂
      
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      February 8, 2019 7:22pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yay Tinorangatiratanga:
  
  “After battle comes the terrible and revolting episode of the cannibal feast. It is unfortunately impossible to pass it over without notice, for Maori history is too full of allusion and incident connected with the practice for us to avoid mention of description of some of its horrors.
  
  Prisoners taken in the fight were slain in cold blood, except those reserved for slavery – a mark of still greater contempt than being killed for food. Sometimes after the battle a few of the defeated were thrust alive into large food-baskets and thus degraded for ever. As a general rule, however, they were slain for the oven.
  
  In days near our own it is recorded that a chief named Wherowhero ordered 250 prisoners of the Taranaki people to be brought to him for slaughter. He sat on the ground and the prisoners were brought to him one by one to receive the blow of the chief’s mere – a weapon till lately in the possession his son, the late Maori ‘King.’ After he had killed the greater number of them he said, ‘I am tired. Let the rest live.’ So the remainder passed into slavery.
  
  How numerous sometimes these war captives were may be judged by the fact that when Hongi returned from his raid on the southern tribes he brought back 2,000 prisoners to the Bay of Islands. One of the latest cannibal feats of consequence was held at Ohariu, near Wellington, when 150 of the Muaupoko tribe went into the ovens. When the Maoris overcame the gentle Morioris of the Chatham Islands, not only did they keep the captives penned up like live-stock waiting to be killed and eaten, but one of the leading chiefs of the invaders ordered a meal of six children at once to be cooked to regale his friends.
  
  I was shown a part of a beach on the Chatham Islands on which the bodies of eighty Moriori women were laid side by side, each with an impaling stake driven into the abdomen. It is difficult for one not accustomed to savage warfare to note how shockingly callous and heartless this desecration of the human body made the actors in these terrible scenes…”
  
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  February 8, 2019 12:30pm
  - Longknives
    
    “but one of the leading chiefs of the invaders ordered a meal of six children at once to be cooked to regale his friends.”
    
    Why are Maori not constantly reminded of these atrocities? Why are our kids not taught about this in Schools??
    Considering European kids have to listen to Teachers ranting about the ‘Evils’ of Colonialism and endless bleating that their own ancestors were murderers, rapists and thieves…
    
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    February 8, 2019 1:08pm
    - stephieboy
      
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      Longknives, nudge, nudge not forgetting Europeans unenviable;e legacy of war, pillaging and destruction aka WW! , II, Vietnam, 2003 Iraq, Syria etc, etc
      
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      February 8, 2019 1:19pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        And what has that to do with Maori predeliction for cannabilism prior to European settlement?
        
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        February 8, 2019 2:33pm
      - toby1845
        
        It’s interesting that you should say that, stephieboy.
        
        To the best of my knowledge (albeit gleaned from a mere 32 years study of NZ’s involvement in WW2), NZ forces committed war crimes on 7 occasions during WW2. And guess what? Six of those incidents involved the Maori Battalion. The last of them resulted in Pita Awatere (Donna’s father) being sacked and sent home in disgrace.
        
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        February 8, 2019 4:38pm
      - nasska
        
        I’d go along with that T1845. Maori in WW2 were brave fighters but the Geneva Conventions didn’t seem to bother them greatly.
        
        Most of the returned NZ servicemen didn’t talk much about what they had seen but I was privileged to know two who had fought in the Italian campaign, particularly Cassino.
        
        Neither knew the other but both spoke of Germans taken prisoner by Maori as having a poor life expectancy. Many were “escorted” back towards HQ as prisoners but few reached there to attain PoW status.
        
        One old soldier thought it a good idea, the other considered it barbaric yet the height of battle is never a good time to make judgements.
        
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        February 8, 2019 6:53pm
      - Tall Man
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 8, 2019 8:47pm
      - toby1845
        
        Thanks Nasska. Yes, there is always an interesting debate between ‘heat of the battle’ incidents and cold-blooded murder. One of the incidents I referred to, at San Silvestro in Italy, involved the German POWs being crucified with their own bayonets.
        
        What is also interesting is that Maori in other units (and there were more of them than fought in the MB) didn’t get into trouble as often as the MB lads did.
        
        The Official History of HQ 2NZEF records that soldiers from the Maori Battalion committed about half of 2 Div’s disciplinary breaches during WW2 — despite the fact that the MB comprised less than 4% of the Division’s total personnel.
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:15pm
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        Toby1845. I read your comment about the 28th Battalion earlier today and it has troubled me. With all this crap about learning NZ history there are so many very ugly moments in it, like what you have highlighted, that I am unsure it is a good idea to learn NZ history, particularly that of our “special people”.
        Your 35 year study of NZ history in WW2 also makes me wonder however did Freyberg ever get the Governor General’s job after his inglorious phuck up in Crete.
        It is comments like yours that help make this the best blog in the blogosphere. Keep up the good work.
        
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        February 8, 2019 11:33pm
Inandout

Why do socialists welcome ‘change’ when it pushes their agenda, but become anti change when it involves the climate? They welcome ‘sexual diversity’, but are silent on Islam repressing women and hating gays. Socialists of old were at least realists and welcomed brisk debate, but this shower are screaming dictators and killers of free speech.
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February 8, 2019 10:21am
- stephieboy
  
  Inandout, change, and reform is an oxymoron for rabid righters like you.
  
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  February 8, 2019 1:20pm
  - Garbageman
    
    Keep it up Steph you are the perfect illustration of how retarded and out of touch the average lefty is these days, a constant reminder to visitors of this blog why the left are or should be despised you must be close to 50Ks worth of inane moronic comments by now so maybe you realize why DPF keeps you around you make even the most “rabid alt righter” look completely sane & rational
    
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    February 8, 2019 1:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:44pm
- GoVege
  
  Same reason they ignored Idi Amin’s mass killings while condemning South Africa in the 80s.
  
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  February 8, 2019 7:26pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

The left-wing propoganda show, the party political broadcast show, known as the Oscars (hang on, is that name too sexist?) failed to find a person politically correct enough to host it, lol.

It’s a given that no movies with straight white people in it will be winning an Oscar in the forseeable future.

It’s called discrimination. Racial and sexual discrimination.
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February 8, 2019 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  Kiwi, here is where they can start with ‘gender neutral’ names.
  
  https://nameberry.com/unisex-names
  
  Perhaps Omega.
  
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  February 8, 2019 10:47am
- cmm
  
  Oscars is tanking on the TV rating scale. No doubt this is mainly due to all the crap about people speaking their truth and uncovering a new path.
  
  Of course interest in Hollywood is tanking too, for the most part it is because they’re generating so many identity politics puff-pieces instead of movies the viewers want to watch.
  
  http://fortune.com/2018/03/05/oscars-ratings-academy-awards-viewership/
  
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  February 8, 2019 11:26am
- dave_c_
  
  Surely you meant to say “the transgender agenda” propaganda show.
  Take a closer look at all those receiving the goods.
  Do you remember ‘the Brady bunch’, where boys could be girls, and girls could be boys’ song !
  I remember reading about one of the Miss World (or Miss universe) contests, where 99 percent of the contestants were men – transgendered to womanhood.
  
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  February 8, 2019 11:46am
kevn

EU hit men, Tusk and Junckers trying it on with May now. corbyn happy to roll with them tho.
JA was so easily dispatched.
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February 8, 2019 10:45am
kiwiracer

I had an interaction with one of the “special people” outside some shops in Auckland today.

Have you got some change for a bus fare he asks me.

I replied no change sorry.

His reply, you’re just a visitor to my country.
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February 8, 2019 10:48am
- alloytoo
  
  @Kiwiracer
  
  By his logic, so are the buses and said currency (and indeed the metal used to manufacture both)
  
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  February 8, 2019 11:12am
- cmm
  
  What’s the special word for change?
  
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  February 8, 2019 11:18am
  - sooty
    
    Maori.
    
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    February 8, 2019 12:02pm
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm, opening closed minds like yours to different kinds of possibilities rather than e.g a desire to return to the good old days of apartheid!
    
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    February 8, 2019 1:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 8, 2019 8:40pm
- GoVege
  
  Nobody would visit this country if it was the way it was 2 centuries ago….
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:01pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Well people did.
    
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    February 8, 2019 10:00pm
    - GoVege
      
      True Rachael, but they were mostly incredibly brave explorers/ whalers or missionaries.
      And quite a few came to a sticky end….
      
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      February 8, 2019 11:03pm
Inandout

Jeffrey Archer appeared on Garner this morning and the crew appeared to hang off every word he said. I don’t think anything was mentioned of him serving jail time for lies and fraud.
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February 8, 2019 10:57am
- Garbageman
  
  They would have had to sign a waiver just like any uppity journalist that thinks they will actually get to ask our Princess any hard questions which is why the Treaty question was such a beaut because its one of the few times we have seen the compulsive liar not answer patsy questions and boy did her true colors shine and of course that triggered another round of lies so cringe worthy & down right embarrassing
  
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  February 8, 2019 2:13pm
Harriet

Climate change; making the data fit the model since the invention of the rain dance. 😎
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February 8, 2019 11:20am
- stephieboy
  
  Harriet , Jo Nova stuff? (real name Joanne Codling)
  
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Joanne_Nova
  
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  February 8, 2019 1:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:38pm
Hugh Pavletich

China has actually been closing for business for the last decade | Business Insider

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/links-8-february-2019/#comment-3285158

China has actually been closing for business for the last decade | Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-financial-crisis-economic-stimulus-closed-the-economy-2019-2?r=US&IR=T

• When China used easy credit and infrastructure spending to avoid the global financial crisis, it reversed years of reforms to open its economy, economists say.

• That’s because that credit went to unproductive state-owned enterprises and starved the private sector.

• Now, China risks unemployment and social unrest if it does breakdown the SOEs, and getting trapped in a vicious economic cycle if it doesn’t.
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Workers’ Activism Rises as China’s Economy Slows. Xi Aims to Rein Them In. – The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/world/asia/china-workers-protests.html
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US trade deficit with China narrows, as effects of trade war-induced export front-loading begin to fade | South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2185292/us-trade-deficit-china-narrows-effects-trade-war-induced
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February 8, 2019 11:36am
- Jack5
  
  China’s ghost cities.
  
  Two years old:
  
  https://youtu.be/vZdBeczDLpA
  
  China’s 50 ghost cities – six months old:
  
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-27/china-ghost-cities-show-growth-driven-by-debt/9912186
  
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  February 8, 2019 4:32pm
  - Inandout
    
    Let them eat rice. I really have no time for arseholes who keep bears in cages until they go insane, or eat tiger’s penis FFS.
    
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    February 8, 2019 5:40pm
    - GoVege
      
      They eat bull balls in Italy.
      Was watching an interesting programme on Pompei and nearly threw up when I saw that….
      
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      February 8, 2019 7:56pm
      - GoVege
        
        But at least they don’t torture man’s best friend to death before eating him…
        
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        February 8, 2019 7:59pm
Morrissey

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GROPERS
No. 69: Catholic Clerics

Pope Francis has admitted that clerics have sexually abused nuns, and in one case they were kept as sex slaves. He said in that case his predecessor, Pope Benedict, was forced to shut down an entire congregation of nuns who were being abused by priests.

It is thought to be the first time that Pope Francis has acknowledged the sexual abuse of nuns by the clergy. He said the Church was attempting to address the problem but said it was “still going on”.

Last November, the Catholic Church’s global organisation for nuns denounced the “culture of silence and secrecy” that prevented them from speaking out. The Pope’s comments come amid long-running cases of sexual abuse of children and young men by priests at the Church. …

The female congregation dissolved in 2005 under Pope Benedict was the Community of St Jean, which was based in France, Alessandro Gisotti of the Vatican press office told CBS News. In 2013, the Community of St Jean admitted that priests had behaved “in ways that went against chastity” with several women in the order, according to the French Roman Catholic newspaper La Croix.

In a separate case in India last year, a bishop was arrested over allegations that he raped a nun 13 times between 2014 and 2016. Bishop Franco Mulakkal, who headed the diocese in Jalandhar in the northern state of Punjab, has denied the accusations.

In Chile, reports of abuse of nuns carried out by priests led the Vatican to launch an investigation last year. The women were reportedly removed from the order after highlighting the abuse.

Last year, the Associated Press news agency reported cases of abuse in Italy and Africa. ….
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47134033

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/world/Pope-says-priests-kept-nuns-as-sex-slaves/1068-4969764-yoy24xz/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAs7F9inPxw

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

68 more Gropers HERE….
https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/02/gropers-no-69-catholic-clerics-feb-8.html
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February 8, 2019 12:15pm
- rangitoto
  
  Does a lot of groping go on at Northcote Point?
  
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  February 8, 2019 12:25pm
  - Morrissey
    
    You mean as in groping after metaphysical truths?
    
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    February 8, 2019 12:27pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  
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  February 8, 2019 1:07pm
  - Inandout
    
    CM, is Daisychain also a Virginia US based company? Blackface Inc.
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:05pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Will no one rid us of this turbulent ~~priest~~ Turdcutter sports tool?
  
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  February 8, 2019 2:03pm
- Garbageman
  
  Damn leftards and their obsession with all things perverted – sick little deviants one & all i have to wonder is Breens blog where all of the Labour pervs get the idea that getting underage children male & female drunk & having a good old gropefest is from you know a few tips & tricks from the old master
  
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  February 8, 2019 2:25pm
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One downtick already, I see. Hmmmm…. that would be either a priest, or that dirty fecker Cap’n Mainwaring.

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/encounter-with-nun-dec-31-2018.html
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February 8, 2019 12:20pm
Captain Mainwaring

Sorry to disappoint you Morris Fuckwit, but I was downticker No. 12.
There will be many more.
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February 8, 2019 1:09pm
- graham
  
  Bit late to the party there Captain … I was downticker number 3 I think!
  
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  February 8, 2019 1:35pm
Longknives

The Left have really got it in for Scott Kuggeleijn and New Zealand Cricket.
I hope he has a fucking long and phenomenal career- Just to piss off the shrieking hypocritical Femnazis…
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February 8, 2019 1:14pm
Shaun the Sheep

Kbers might remember this remarkable young man from a very stirring speech he gave in 2015:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9G1Swk26ac

I was delighted to notice on the back page of the Dom this morning that Jake is again making news:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/110380609/cancer-treatment-to-coast-to-coast-jake-baileys-remarkable-journey

Go well, Jake.
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February 8, 2019 1:15pm
stephieboy

Agreed! Fantastic, courageous and inspirational in severe adversity!
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February 8, 2019 1:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  ardern is a liar
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:37pm
Poppa

So Cindy apparently gave one of her stirring speeches at a business breakfast today. God I bet there was plenty of food left over with the audience suddenly becoming ill

I wonder if she talked about GDP? You know the one that is going to start with a 1 for rolling annual when next reported.

I bet she didn’t talk about unemployment rising either.

All is well in her socialist paradise. Now off to do a photo shoot for Women’s day
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February 8, 2019 1:31pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Poppa, as if those Business leaders who attended the breakfast get together care about your irrelevant rants!
  
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  February 8, 2019 1:55pm
  - Poppa
    
    Haha nice Stephie.
    
    I am sure they can form their own opinions, & from what I see they think Cindy is just an airhead
    
    They are right of course but I do realise you take it personally being one of her fanboys
    
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    February 8, 2019 2:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:35pm
- Prince
  
  She said unemployment was coming down, and GDP was strong. Also lied about other countries’ GDP.
  
  Wrong audience though – these guys and girls know their numbers.
  
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  February 8, 2019 6:42pm
Salacious Crumb

Well well. The Thick One is taking another kicking in the Stuffed comments section. It’s like a written elixir. So soothing:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110444167/pm-jacinda-arderns-state-of-the-nation-speech-sunny-but-clouds-gathering

What’s the bet Stuffed remove comments sections from Tracey Watkins articles. Can’t have the kulaks getting uppity.
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February 8, 2019 1:40pm
- cmm
  
  Sunny but clouds gathering?
  
  WTF? Is she going to try out as a weather chick?
  
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  February 8, 2019 2:22pm
- Hollyfield
  
  Comments are now closed, but those there are almost overwhelmingling against Labour and CGT. One or two comments in support though – including this one:
  
  Well they have to get some extra money from somewhere to pay off the astronomical debt National got us in. As usual, Labour ends up paying off National tax & spend policies, all the while National calling out Labour for doing what tey themselves did more of. Hypocrisy is the word, I think.
  
  Someone should tell Labour they have to stop going on about National not spending – “nine long years of neglect” – since apparently National spent far too much.
  
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  February 8, 2019 4:48pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Well comments from Arderns mum are to be expected. Apple/tree and all…
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:35pm
Swifty

The bearded mullahs down at the local masjid won’t be happy about this advertisement for the religion of submission and obedience:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12201893

Oh, and they’ll be wincing at the bloke’s name too! 🙂
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February 8, 2019 1:41pm
- kowtow
  
  Second case in recent times .
  Samoan guy charged in December for trafficking and slavery.
  I’m not commenting on either case but by golly I do think we’re reaping the benefits of the diversity dividend.
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/man-charged-human-trafficking-and-slavery-in-hawkes-bay-named
  
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  February 8, 2019 3:05pm
  - Swifty
    
    Yeah, it’s a new crime I think I read. We’ve only just started charging people with it.
    
    Second bunch of mussies charged though. These were the first:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/107261597/lawyer-involved-with-nzs-first-human-trafficking-conviction-gets-home-detention-for-fraud?rm=a
    
    No real pattern emerging as yet – but clearly in the 4-5 cases I’ve seen to date there all recent immigrants exploiting their fellow countrymen and women.
    
    It won’t change until we get super tough – which I suspect will never happen.
    
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    February 8, 2019 3:19pm
Johnboy

Oh dear the gloss is definitely wearing off the turd. 🙂
Once upon a very recent time the MSM would never have published such an unflattering photo of the Winston anointed one. 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110426153/capital-gains-tax-discussion-still-to-come-on-tax-working-group-report-pm-jacinda-ardern-says
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February 8, 2019 1:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  Johnboy, we can take it that you follow this kind of ethical trading and buying guide?
  
  https://www.tearfund.org.nz/Get-Involved/Ethical-Fashion-Guide.aspx
  
  And the minimum wage and other worker protection laws?
  
  https://employerline.co.nz/employment-law/?k_ignore=&kendelid=p.403._k_CjwKCAiAy-_iBRAaEiwAYhSlA29BEnoDRkPwzaLXNsPoeMSVaruGFwtyOZNS3uidEPP91R_7ncCQ_BoC5U4QAvD_BwE_k_.kw1274755&gclid=CjwKCAiAy-_iBRAaEiwAYhSlA29BEnoDRkPwzaLXNsPoeMSVaruGFwtyOZNS3uidEPP91R_7ncCQ_BoC5U4QAvD_BwE
  
  Or… ?
  
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  February 8, 2019 2:00pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    And WTF does that have to do with a CGT in NZ?
    Your whaddaboutisms are becoming as irrelevant and pointless as the Arderns term as PM will be once she’s had her breakdown and done a runner.
    
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    February 8, 2019 2:37pm
  - pentwig
    
    stoopidthing
    oh very well said
    such an illuminating mind
    such precision thinking
    
    one can only wonder how anybody could be any more stupid
    how on earth do you do it so constantly
    you truly are an example of f…ed up genes
    
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    February 8, 2019 2:56pm
    - Swifty
      
      He’s a walking disaster.
      
      Mistake after mistake after mistake.
      
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      February 8, 2019 3:35pm
  - Inandout
    
    stephie, those links are about as relevant as a condom in a sex doll warehouse.
    
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    February 8, 2019 3:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:25pm
JibberJabber

With reality kicking and her popularity beginning to stutter, in how long before Jacinduh has to rock this look in Parliament?
https://www.rt.com/news/450799-paulinha-outfit-brazil-controversy/

Hubba, hubba, Paulinha…
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February 8, 2019 1:56pm
- cmm
  
  I don’t think PriNZess can pull it off…
  
  Pun intended.
  
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  February 8, 2019 2:07pm
- secondcumming
  
  Paulinha is one beautiful creature…..I’ve always had this thing for *Brazilians* 😎
  
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  February 8, 2019 3:27pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    That’ a massive squirrel she is not hiding under her jacket. Did she have difficult questions to avoid answering?! ??
    
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    February 8, 2019 3:46pm
Longknives

Creepy.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/110451089/timaru-man-admits-importing-child-sex-doll-a-first-in-new-zealand

A google search of this guy is interesting as well…
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February 8, 2019 2:13pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  YUK-O!! Is he the same ‘gentleman’ associated with a gym catering to young girls?
  
  Asking for a fiend
  
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  February 8, 2019 2:58pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Better the doll than a real child.
  Agreed, the whole subject is disgusting but he is not going to change his predilections.
  
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  February 8, 2019 3:26pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Yeah, but still, a bullet for his thought crimes.
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:16pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I would not sully my cache history.
  
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  February 8, 2019 3:28pm
Lee C

How to get rid of Winston Peters. Let me count the ways.
Contest his seat. “His pension and economic future is safe. How about yours?”
Contest every NZFist seat. ‘Their salary is assured – How about yours?’
Directly address every one who might vote for Winston in the NZ Fist demographic with the simple message:

“Their pensions and economic futures are safe.

How about yours?”
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February 8, 2019 3:55pm
secondcumming

My 14yo daughter is doing her history homework, and phoned me at the office to ask what I knew about Galileo?

I told her, “He was a just poor boy, from a poor family”
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February 8, 2019 4:06pm
- Longknives
  
  Now I know you are joking!
  NZ Schools simply don’t teach such things (Galileo Galilei was an ‘Old White Man’ and as such must be erased from History)
  Maori were the first Astronomers according to New Zealand Schoolteachers…
  
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  February 8, 2019 4:11pm
- Jack5
  
  A prominent Maori who has revived Maori canoe building was knighted recently. Fawning reporters hailed him as re-finding celestial navigation.
  
  Humans have been using the stars in navigation for probably thousands of years.
  
  Modern celestial navigation stems from the 1830s with Sumner developing the “celestial line of position” technique. Modern practical celestial navigation has required the development of instruments such as the chronometer.
  
  Compared with China’s invention of the compass, for example, Polynesian contribution to navigation has been sparse. The Polynesians were great seafarers, and practical navigators, but they hadn’t developed techniques anywhere approaching those used by modern navigators for the last two centuries. Even techniques and basic maps some Polynesians did develop were lost for centuries.
  
  Modern celestial nagivation was taught in the United States Air Force and United States Navy until the 1990s. Even early 747 commercial jets had a facility to enable celestial navigation.
  
  It was stated in the last few days – I think on the Radio NZ web site – that Polynesian navigation methods proved that Maori didn’t bump into NZ by accident.
  
  But how could they have first known New Zealand was here, and then navigated to it?
  
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  February 8, 2019 4:51pm
  - Woz
    
    Careful! That kind of logical thinking will destroy the grand myth of Polynesian navigation.
    
    I was close friends with a cameraman who filmed the waka Te Aurere on its famous 1992 voyage. He returned somewhat cynical about Polynesian navigation and sailing skills.
    
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    February 8, 2019 5:02pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “..the grand myth of Polynesian navigation.” ??
      
      But not the pre-Maori Celtics??
      
      Aye?
      
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      February 8, 2019 6:11pm
      - Tall Man
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 8, 2019 8:20pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I went to a talk by a Hamish Campbell at Kawhia after there had been an International geology Symposium in Napier I think it was. he theorised that when Lake Taupo erupted that it was able to be seen from a very long way away and that Maori possibly? came and investigated the long white cloud?
    I am very sure that he said that there were no signs of human activity prior to the eruption, so far discovered I guess, as science is forever discovering.
    
    https://www.gns.cri.nz/who/staff/1807.html
    
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    February 8, 2019 5:14pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Unlikley as the last Taupo eruptio Hatape n was considered to be c 1,800 years ago,
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taupo_Volcano
      
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      February 8, 2019 6:14pm
      - GoVege
        
        It was a massive eruption so maybe it was talked about for years after..until someone decided to investigate.
        
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        February 8, 2019 7:50pm
      - Tall Man
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 8, 2019 8:19pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I am pretty sure that was what he said, it would have been nice if the talk had been recorded, he is authoritative.
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:20pm
Woz

I’d pay to watch this. A couple of hori blowhards circling each other, flapping their wings, and hurling threats.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/382013/shane-jones-fires-back-at-brian-tamaki-s-spud-comment
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February 8, 2019 4:34pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Which is the bigger wanker?
  Which has the least respect for the people who keep him in chauffeured luxury?
  
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  February 8, 2019 4:50pm
  - GoVege
    
    What a stupid harmful divisive expression “Spuds” is.
    “Horis” is definitely not helpful either.
    And why would Tamaki bring patched gang members to Waitangi if he is in the business of reforming them?
    
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    February 8, 2019 7:46pm
- stephieboy
  
  Like you both dumb as a sack of potatoes!
  
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  February 8, 2019 6:21pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    But you’re the dumbest
    Aye
    
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    February 8, 2019 6:28pm
    - stephieboy
      
      No, and not as dumb as this from your master,
      
      On border control
      “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.”
      Campaign launch rally, 15/6/15
      
      On helping women
      “I will be phenomenal to the women. I mean, I want to help women.”
      Face the Nation, 9/8/15
      
      On health care
      “The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA-infected people back. People that go to far away places to help out are great – but must suffer the consequences!”
      Twitter, 2/9/14
      
      On global warming
      “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”
      Twitter, 6/10/12
      
      etc, etc, etc
      
      LOL
      
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      February 8, 2019 6:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Aww blub blub blub
        Looking at the new Trade Agreement, Mexico is paying alright.
        Say, how’s that Russia Collusion thingy going?
        As good as your ‘notice’ investigation?
        ?????
        #FakeChristian
        
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        February 8, 2019 6:45pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “Looking at the new Trade Agreement, Mexico is paying alright”
        
        ???
        
        Russian Collusion?? Like Watergate that took heaps more time to unravel.
        
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        February 8, 2019 6:59pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Guess you haven’t heard the news ( not on Vox huh- lol)
        Just announced.
        Muellers Prosecutor has finished.
        200 witnesses
        300,000 documents
        Found nothing.
        Trump lives inside your head eh.
        Might as well
        Plenty of empty space!
        LOL
        
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        February 8, 2019 7:03pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Not according to this report. Roger Stone understandably has a lot to hide,
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/31/roger-stone-mueller-trump-russia-investigation-evidence
        
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        February 8, 2019 7:08pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahaha
        The Guardian
        And you.
        You do realise it’s nothing to do with Trump
        Course you dont
        So funny
        
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        February 8, 2019 7:12pm
      - Tall Man
        
        ardern is a liar.
        
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        February 8, 2019 8:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern is a liar.
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:16pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  So Waitangi is just for Northern Maori then?
  
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  February 9, 2019 5:26am
LTA1955

New fires in Nelson right now and not anywhere near the existing….sounds like a arsonist is active in the area. A caller on Magic Radio hinted that this was the case, but its a MSM news blackout as usual on the cause of these new fires
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February 8, 2019 4:46pm
- Inandout
  
  One bullet usually fixes arsonists.
  
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  February 8, 2019 5:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout, visit your local witch doctor and try his potion of deadly nightshades!
    
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    February 8, 2019 6:09pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Telling someone to kill themselves again eh Stephie
      That’s not very Christian of you
      
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      February 8, 2019 6:20pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Shooting suspects are part of your agenda too?
        
        Skinny dipping at St Leonard’s as of late?
        
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        February 8, 2019 6:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol
        Can’t say I’ve ever been to St Leonard’s Beach.
        Guess you have huh.
        While wearing a raincoat
        Dirty little perv you are
        ?
        #FakeChristian
        
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        February 8, 2019 6:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘The man, caught on Wednesday, was charged with performing an indecent act.’
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=888044
        
        Bit of a coincidence a Pervertboy like you brings up St Leonard’s…
        Awkward memories?
        Cuffs too tight?
        
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        February 8, 2019 6:48pm
      - stephieboy
        
        I understand you live strategically close by?
        
        LOL!
        
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        February 8, 2019 7:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh, so you have been there
        Stephie goes to St Leonard’s
        Cap✔️
        Raincoat✔️
        Hand lotion✔️
        Ewwww
        
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        February 8, 2019 7:10pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed .con, and you lubricating jelly?
        
        https://www.maleq.org/best-anal-lubes/
        
        LOL
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:36pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sqwark sqwark
        It rubs the lotion on its skin
        Dirty little man
        #FakeChristian
        LOL
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:38pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        A harmful digital communication?
        
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        February 9, 2019 5:27am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Is that like fifty shades, but black?
      
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      February 8, 2019 6:59pm
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern is a liar.
      
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      February 8, 2019 8:12pm
    - stephieboy
      
      The truth comes out at last!
      
      LOL, yet again!
      
      Location Devonport?
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        heh, the good people of St Albans must know the truth about you eh
        R**** T****** is a pervert and a stalker- according to you
        So funny- shit that must have been embarrassing
        Any more notices Pervertboy?
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:43pm
softail 1450

Avoid the landing at “Hobsonvile” (not a spelling error) point, a business meeting with two partners 3 jugs of beer and 1 large pizza $152.00, FFS this isn’t San Tropez on the french riviera ,this is a fucking dump with no parking in Hobsonvile .
On the way down there you see housing that will make Twitford proud , it looks like something from coronation street when Ena sharples was alive.
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February 8, 2019 4:57pm
- secondcumming
  
  I take it you didn’t leave a Tip then softy? 😎
  
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  February 8, 2019 5:13pm
  - softail 1450
    
    secondcumming , actually if you think ” you’ve got be joking ” is a tip, yeah i left one , two weeks ago at the riverhead pub we had six large glasses of beer and three fish and chips for $ 13.00 less .
    my advice is why the fuck would you go down there ? there is zero parking and zero class , its just the “new Place to go for with the well dressed cretins” FFS.
    
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    February 8, 2019 5:30pm
    - secondcumming
      
      what’s the actual name of the joint softy?
      a mate of mine does restaurant reviews for a couple of trendy mags…..he’d like to pay them a visit
      
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      February 8, 2019 7:24pm
      - softail 1450
        
        S C, ” Little Creatures”
        
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        February 9, 2019 9:34am
- lifesgood
  
  Thanks for the heads up. Will avoid.
  
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  February 8, 2019 5:14pm
nasska

The situation in Nelson is sad. People are having to leave their homes in the likelihood that they may be in the line of the fires. Emergency services & chopper pilots are flat out doing what they can.

Yet out of this misery a lone fuckwit stands up:

…..” “It’s been hard, knowing that so many people in our district are affected. For me, as a Christian, I have been praying and praying.

“I’m seeing an answer to my prayers and to the prayers of so many people. There are so many churches in our region and throughout the country who are praying “……

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12201874

The idiot women should be sectioned. Disaster looms in 21st century NZ & she clings to her delusions that her imaginary friend will intervene.
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February 8, 2019 5:11pm
- Inandout
  
  Apparently the Excl Breth’s set up food caravans to feed the firefighters. Good on them.
  
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  February 8, 2019 5:34pm
  - nasska
    
    I hold little truck with any of the religiously deluded, much less the Brethren, but at least they offered something tangible & useful.
    
    Unlike the mental defective sitting on a hill “praying & praying”!
    
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    February 8, 2019 5:43pm
- Swifty
  
  Why did her god allow the fire to break out in the first place?
  
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  February 8, 2019 5:55pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Imagine how angry you would get if your phone wouldn’t stop ringing. At some point you would take vengeance out on the caller.
    “help, it is burning like the fires of hell here”
    Yeahp.
    
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    February 8, 2019 7:53pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I gave up praying after the 2011 Christchurch earthquake which was called an act of God.
  I counted how many cathedrals had been damaged but I did not see anywhere where any brothels were damaged. I know that God moves in mysterious ways that was bloody unreal.
  
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  February 8, 2019 6:41pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yet, the statue of Mary in the South Tower of the Blessed Sacrament Cathedral survived, and actually turned 180 degrees during the earthquake, to be looking out the window.
    
    https://www.maristmessenger.co.nz/2011/08/01/mary-pirouettes-180%C2%B0-during-earthquake/
    
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    February 8, 2019 8:46pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch, and the iconic Church of the Blessed Sacrament?
      
      http://www.ceismic.org.nz/news/stories-from-the-church-in-the-quakes
      
      BTW a church I’ve always admired . Moreso than the Anglican cathedral
      
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      February 8, 2019 9:42pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        St Albans must truly be wondering about you huh
        #FakeChristian
        What about your neighbours
        Dom Rd isn’t it
        
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        February 8, 2019 9:46pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed.con. don’t forget the KY Jelly when cruising tonight!
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:05pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Jealous Steph?
        Hey, is it true guys with small dicks go for Asians who only do it for a Passport?
        872
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:09pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        ? *popcorn at the ready, cider poured*
        
        Shots have been fired ????
        
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        February 8, 2019 10:24pm
- stigie
  
  “Yet out of this misery a lone fuckwit stands up:”
  
  How funny, just for a moment there,i thought you were talking about me and then i read on ?
  
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  February 8, 2019 6:51pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”i thought you were talking about me”…..
    
    Never stigie! You’ve always stood out as a beacon of sanity amongst Nelsonians. 🙂
    
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    February 8, 2019 6:58pm
stigie

Been busy with the fire today Nasska….
Just looking at it !~
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February 8, 2019 7:01pm
Swifty

‘Dark was the night, Cold was the ground’ by Blind Willie Johnson. One of the songs on the Voyager record, hurtling out past our solar system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNj2BXW852g

Quite cool.
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February 8, 2019 7:12pm
- secondcumming
  
  man….that is even bluer than blue.
  
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  February 8, 2019 7:35pm
Dave Mann

STOP PRESS:

The destruction of New Zealand as a country is nearing completion. This evening our national cricket team faces India dressed in a uniform which bears the name ‘Aotearoa’. Not even ‘Aotearoa New Zealand’. Just Aotearoa. We’re finished. Fucked. Goodbye New Zealand.
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February 8, 2019 7:39pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Don’t forget to pay any outstanding taxes and fines before you leave, snowflake.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Obviously the “friday fives” drinkies has kicked in and you’re off on a troll without sensible input.
    
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    February 8, 2019 9:52pm
- Jack5
  
  C’mon Dave, Maori invented cricket.
  
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  February 8, 2019 9:34pm
wiseowl

It’s disgusting Dave.
New Zealand cricket cannot even be proud of our country.
What a pack of bastards.
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February 8, 2019 7:49pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Cricket is as bent as a three quid note. Does anyone seriously think that the only guy in the ground that can’t see that edge on hotspot is the 3rd umpire who is paid to do that job?
  On second thoughts maybe ILG is doing a guest spot as 3rd umpire.
  
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  February 8, 2019 8:20pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/macro-afternoon-584/#comment-3285767

Bank of England slashes growth forecast as global slump hits UK … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/02/07/bank-england-slashes-growth-forecast-global-slump-hits-uk/

Economic growth this year will plunge to its slowest pace since 2009 as the global slump combined with political chaos in the UK hits business investment and encourages families to hold off big spending decisions.

The Bank of England fears that GDP will rise by just 1.2pc this year, its worst performance since the financial crisis a decade ago.

The figure is a significant cut to forecasts given that the Bank had predicted growth of 1.7pc this year as recently as November … read more via hyperlink above …
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February 8, 2019 7:51pm
Viking2

Talking about ILG.

Possible new bid for residency as Czech drug smuggler Karel Sroubek obtains passport in real identity

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110470725/possible-new-bid-for-residency-as-czech-drug-smuggler-karel-sroubek-obtains-passport-in-real-identity?cid=facebook.post.110470725&fbclid=IwAR0PosCE0wzbSI1kp37QQ1ItMSZumF3hRAuvEd3bEdJqTVKJJ7HjK47Q8lU

Czech drug smuggler Karel Sroubek has now obtained a passport in his real identity – that could see him try to apply for residency again.

However, the significance of the travel document depends on the outcome of Sroubek’s appeal to the Immigration Protection Tribunal (IPT).

It is unclear what grounds Sroubek, who is an excluded person and subject to deportation liability, is appealing.
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February 8, 2019 9:20pm
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The State of the Nation speech was just weasel words from the head ferret.

I figure it’s now time to sit back and watch her chickens crash & burn as her lies are catching up with her.

Her MSM supporters are now dwindling apart from a couple of feminists who want a job in her media Coven.
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