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secondcumming

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Is ‘KATE’ on *ZB Early Edition*, really just Mike putting on a silly voice?
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February 7, 2019 8:03am
- softail 1450
  
  Secondcumming My neighbor reckons a good question for the upcoming series of the Chase NZ would be “who weighs the most Kate or Mike ?
  
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  February 7, 2019 12:00pm
  - secondcumming
    
    My missus was saying she saw Mike in a cafe eating a creme donut……then wiped his fingers on his jeans 🙁
    
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    February 7, 2019 12:33pm
    - softail 1450
      
      SecondCumming , to be fair they must have been “single use jeans”.
      Seriously ,the cars that Mike promotes are also “single use” Maserati FFS , I started my training on twin turbo v6 naturally aspirated Maserati Junk around 1973 and they were so bad that now 45 years later they will never be a collectors item, they are as worth saving as a dose of herpes …….
      
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      February 7, 2019 5:21pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Creamed jeans? Not a first and not a last :).
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:11pm
hullkiwi

Son’s question to his dad:
“Where have all the circus’ gone?”

Fathering answering his son:
“They all had to close down, because the clowns all became CoL politicians”.
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February 7, 2019 8:03am
- Peter S
  
  We could rename the COL the Cirq du So lame.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:55am
  - graham
    
    I’ve seen it referred to as Cindy’s kindy … quite good I thought
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:59am
    - Peter S
      
      Winston really needs Jacinda.
      His organ grinder routine would fall flat without her contribution.
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:10am
      - peterwn
        
        She needs him too. He is necessary to fill in areas she does not understand or is not interested in.
        
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        February 7, 2019 10:10am
      - sooty
        
        Pretty much everything then!
        
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        February 7, 2019 10:45am
      - Johnboy
        
        And here was silly old Johnboy thinking H1 or the fisherman fulfilled those areas peterwn. 🙂
        
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        February 7, 2019 2:03pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  BMW clown cars, what’s not to like!
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:53am
  - sooty
    
    Specialy made for fat arses!
    
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    February 7, 2019 10:46am
slightlyrighty

So the media are describing Arderns performance in Waitangi as a “Success”.

I’m sorry? I suppose if you mean not being pelted with Mud or Sex Toys, you could regard it as such, but in all honesty, other than staffing the BBQ at Breakfast (The only job her background qualifies her for) what did she actually achieve?

If the measure for success is a 100 million dollar peace offering to appease the natives in the hope of a quiet Waitangi event, then the media is setting their sights far too low.
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February 7, 2019 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  TV news showed some “elder” , Sonny Tau, I think it was , being very rude on the podium about more work to be done over her not knowing Ti Tiririririrrititittiti, chapter and verse.
  
  No matter what honkey pollies “do for Maoris” it will never be enough .
  
  There will never be an end to moaning from some sectors of Maoridom , and no end to the giveaways by most sectors of our political class.
  
  PS I didn’t see the national flag on display on the bridge , only the Maori ones . Don’t they think the nation important enough ?
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:21am
  - Dave Mann
    
    These people don’t live in New Zealand. They live in the the mythical land of Ayohteeahrowah.
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:30am
    - Tall Man
      
      It ain’t that mythical when a wee whinge can net you $100 million.
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:06am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Good point. Also Red Radio and several other media organisations are increasingly calling this country by that name.
        
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        February 7, 2019 9:27am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      We prefer to call it Whakanda.
      
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      February 7, 2019 11:25am
  - tf78
    
    Excellent article in NZCPR site this morning on the name change of NZ to Aoteraroa and the real TOW – it’s a must read for all Kiwi’s
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:42am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      I’m actually for the name change. Anything to reduce the interminable wait for our National Team to march out at the Olympics.
      
      We would move from 125th alphabetically to 7th. and we would enter ahead of Australia.
      
      It also sounds more mysterious when your trying to score with a hot Swede in a backpackers.
      
      Hi. I’m Aotearoan……
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:09am
      - Nermal
        
        Better hurry. It won’t be long before the hot Swede in a backpackers is statistically more likely to reply “Allahu Akbar”
        
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        February 7, 2019 4:05pm
    - dave_c_
      
      A bloody impressive summation of the real world, and how it has (and is being) been skewed to benefit a bunch of fraudsters !
      It’s about time these lies and deceit is stamped on NOW..
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:15am
  - Kabull
    
    Some very apposite articles on NZCPR site about the Treaty, the faux partnership, constitutional change by stealth, and the gravely dangerous direction we are being pushed in. Muriel Newman quotes a 2000 speech by David Lange in which he decries the artificial prominence the Treaty has gained at the hands of some activists, and the self-perpetuating legal and academic industry it has spawned.
    https://www.nzcpr.com/aotearoa-new-zealand/#more-28526
    Newman’s views are worth reading because I think (hope) she reflects the fears of we older New Zealanders who can see how the country is being driven down a path that will lead to South Africa or Zimbabwe-like conditions.
    
    [Edit – Sorry, Tf78 – we posted at the same time.]
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:44am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Yes….. but you gave us the link, so thanks to both of you. Cheers!
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:57am
      - tf78
        
        Dave, just subscribe when you’re on their site and you get emails each week. Donations only and articles that are unmissable.
        
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        February 7, 2019 12:03pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Thanks tf78… will do!
        
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        February 7, 2019 11:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    However, shouldn’t a lawmaker have a detailed knowledge of the document they now use as the basis for all laws and decisions?
    
    Ps: I said “lawmaker” not “lawnmower”.
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:05am
    - auckwood
      
      both read between the lines dont they?
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:07am
    - kowtow
      
      Given the amount of hot air from the empty heads , yes they should . But more especially if one runs around the world dressed up as Pochahontas wearing the cloak at Buck palace , or posing on the international stage at the UN and Davos pushing all sorts of Maori mantras……
      
      She’s all image and no substance , a fraud.
      
      A commie one at that who does know the words of the vile Internationale and can lead it on the world stage……
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:12am
  - kevn
    
    @kowtow…. It’s all the (our) money in that part of Oatie Rower.
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:26am
  - marcw
    
    You are correct – no matter that National spent $100’s of millions of taxpayer money and provided leadership and opportunity for Maori to become self determining and successful – at the 2017 elections, Maori voters said fugh you, and gave all their votes to the biggest pork barrel on offer.
    
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    February 7, 2019 10:38am
  - david
    
    A proper response to that would point out to those Māori with any influence should have a look at the statute books and encourage their whanau not to break the laws enshrined therein.
    
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    February 7, 2019 2:11pm
  - RF
    
    This character was found with dead native wood pidgeons in his possession. A big no no.
    
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    February 7, 2019 5:31pm
- Paulus
  
  There appears to be some large discrepancies as to the numbers at Waitangi from thousands to tens of thousands dependent where your read it (eg NZME)
  Others there say that it it did not have the gravitas as other years and was the usual grievance show, which is why people did not go in the numbers they have done.
  There were many better days holiday elsewhere eg Porirua.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:24am
  - sooty
    
    The beach or just anywhere!
    They are not!
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:35am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Q. Loved the answer from one Maori asked why she was attending Waitangi?
    
    A. “To make money”.
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:42am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Award for the most honest person there?
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:37am
  - G152
    
    We did a guard there in 1956 and were the largest group the entire day
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:05am
- EAD_THREE
  
  If the measure for success is a 100 million dollar peace offering to appease the natives
  
  The inversion of the truth with regard to Colonial times is sickening to behold. Maori should be thanking YT for everything they gave them.
  
  I recommend reading Edward Tregear master piece The Maori Race(1904) for a reality check & truth bombs to lob back next time your told about so called injustices hundreds of years ago.
  
  an English missionary has reported that Pomare, a chief of the Bay of Islands, ate six entire heads. Chiefs’ heads are usually dried and perfectly preserved by an ingenious process. Before the feast of victory, each warrior drinks the blood of the enemy he has killed with his own hand. After battle comes the terrible and revolting episode of the cannibal feast.
  
  Prisoners taken in the fight were slain in cold blood, except those reserved for slavery – a mark of still greater contempt than being killed for food. Sometimes after the battle a few of the defeated were thrust alive into large food-baskets and thus degraded for ever. As a general rule, however, they were slain for the oven”
  
  Damn white man – coming and ruining this delightful culinary experience and shoving his so-called civilisation down Maori throats (excuse the pun).
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    You won’t find that book in many libraries I’ll wager.
    
    Also, have a look at Te Wiremu, the Henry Williams diaries.
    
    Very graphic and the great thing about it is that using quotes or references from it gets you banned from that rubbish site “stuff”. 🙂
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:02am
  - noskire
    
    Available at no charge here: https://mebooks.co.nz/maori-pacific-historical/the-maori-race-ebook?search=The+Maori+Race
    
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    February 7, 2019 3:23pm
- kevn
  
  Hosking just dismantles JA Waitangi Day lies, easily. The bullsh*t comes so easy, she must assume everyone there is stupid. Are they?
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:40am
  - cmm
    
    Willfully ignorant.
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:46am
- niggly
  
  Of course the media are describing Arderns performance in Waitangi as a “Success” …. the Labour Party have cynically staged managed her public appearance by ensuring Jacinda appears at the Upper Marae, where it is peaceful and there is no argy-bargy!
  
  All the argy-bargy mud-flinging, shouting and protests happen at the Lower (Te Tii) Marae, which is where traditionally PM’s and MP’s gathered (and including Don Brash on Tuesday, where he was shouted down …. perhaps he should ask to speak at the Upper Marae next time)!
  
  Jacinda asks Maori to hold her and her Govt to account when at Waitangi. If Jacinda and the Labour Party were being honest about this (cough, cough) then the PM should be prepared to appear at the Lower (Te Tii) Marae next year and converse with the radical elements in attendance.
  
  After all it is unlikely the radical elements would get worked up over Jacinda (eg compared to National PM’s)!
  
  But betcha Jacinda and the Labour Party don’t have the guts to do so, unlike previous Prime Ministers!
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:55am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘ (and including Don Brash on Tuesday, where he was shouted down ….’
    
    Not a lot of MSM coverage of that outrageous , rude and exclusionary behaviour.
    
    No surprises there though.
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:16am
    - lifesgood
      
      Seems they only invited him so they could humiliate him. What a bloody disgrace, they are uncivilised. If it was a genuine invitation they should have ensured he was heard and kept the rabble with their megaphones away. Very, very cynical I have to say.
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:41am
      - Tall Man
        
        I doubt anything they would do would humiliate him.
        
        They, ngapuhi, are obsessed with remaining in the dark ages and they truly believe the forthcoming gravy train and treaty settlement will make them all rich. Boy, will they be surprised.
        
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        February 7, 2019 9:49am
    - namron
      
      Reuben Taipari invited Don Brash to speak – and surprise, surprise – the protester causing all of the hastle on Tuesday was his wife Heeni Hoterene.
      “the newspaper” Page 7 Wed 6 Feb
      The invitation to Brash was made very public and actually sounded like a positive move.
      To find it was a “set-up” infuriates me!
      
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      February 7, 2019 12:34pm
      - MH
        
        yep,staggeringly rude, what a farce. entrapment at its worst.
        
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        February 7, 2019 4:15pm
  - Miritu
    
    For a closer look at media lies, look at newly released movie “Hoaxed” by Mike Cernovich
    http://hoaxedmovie.com
    Applies equally to NZ media.
    Well worth the 2+ hours and USD10 to watch
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:31am
- Peter S
  
  Success = not a complete disaster, though the treaty question came close.
  I think the press are giving insufficient credit to the contribution of the Nelson fire in getting Waitangi off the headlines.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:13am
- Harkman
  
  You beat me to it. I also noticed that the media is bending over backwards to make out how we are all suddenly united. Just bollocks, I hate the day. Why don’t they tell the truth about Hone Heka? He thought the treaty allowed him to collect a toll on any white person/ship he liked and when it stopped he started a civil war. A crook.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:16am
holysheet

A lady comes home from her doctor’s appointment grinning from ear to ear.
Her husband asks, “Why are you so happy?”
The wife says, “The doctor told me that for a forty-five year old woman, I have the breasts of a eighteen year old.”
“Oh yeah?” quipped her husband, “What did he say about your forty-five year old arse?”
She said, “Your name never came up in the conversation.”
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February 7, 2019 8:05am
MCos

Seems that our cricket teams have figured out how to beat India, at last.

Play well.
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February 7, 2019 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  Surprisingly, playing better than the opposition in all aspects of a match, usually means you will win!
  
  Or
  
  Statement of the blindingly obvious!
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:24am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Assuming a sufficiently broad definition of ‘cricket’.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:30am
- kowtow
  
  Judging by the crowd the Indians seem to have discovered how to beat our immigration…….
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:17am
  - Paulus
    
    In the Tauranga and coastal BOP Region there are a number of Indian cricket teams, many of whom play near us – they are very good and talking to some of them I suggested that we have an Indian New Zealand Cricket team – like a Maori something team – they liked the idea.
    Good cricketers too – well worth watching.
    
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    February 7, 2019 1:25pm
    - MH
      
      yes but assimilation would be a better outcome, finally an Indian/paki in the blacksticks, back to hockeys beginning in NZ when they were world top guns. They keep to themselves and have their own league, more’s the pity. I just can’t fathom how the Irish,Scots, Welsh and Englanders get along
      
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      February 7, 2019 4:28pm
- Gravelroad
  
  These would be the “Aotearoa” cricket teams? (see playing strip).
  Māori only teams next.
  
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  February 7, 2019 10:52am
Viking2

Who watched SOTU yesterday.
Trumps know how to run a show.
Better at it than all those Hollywood types. Better than the Oscars and all.
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February 7, 2019 8:09am
- auckwood
  
  Also reads a speech alot better than our SLG!
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:11am
  - Paulus
    
    Trump does not have to try and speak Maori – about which she knows little.
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:25am
- Inandout
  
  More fodder for the night time hosts, wherever they are.
  
  https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/recaps/la-et-late-night-talk-show-hosts-respond-to-sotu-speech-20190206-story.html
  
  This from the city having the worst CBD rubbish tip in the history of the US.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    Being anti Trump is the new “cool”. Look at the down tickers you have had read your post.
    
    Thinking aredern the liar is “awesome” is the new “cool” here.
    
    Fuckwits the lot of them who make little contribution to the world they live in.
    
    Love him or loathe him, but at least Trump tries to honour his election promises unlike ardern the liar and wynston the thief. Jimmy 2 mums is still waiting for an idea to “gel” into a policy and is still “chewing” over the meat tax…
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:53am
    - auckwood
      
      Not only does Trump try to honor his election promises, his election promises have the best interests of the majority of American citizens at heart… He wouldn’t be where he is right now (ELECTED into office) if everyone felt the same way as the ‘feelz’ peddlers on tv as shown in that article.
      
      Sadly for us, we have had a ‘feelz’ peddler SELECTED to belittle us and try claim that the majority of New Zealanders are supportive and wanting of a wellness budget and other forced election bribes & lies….
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:06am
  - s.russell
    
    An interesting article:
    The Real State of the Union, in Charts
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/opinion/trump-state-of-the-union.html
    Highlights:
    * The weekly earnings of the median full time worker is now only 5% greater than it was in 2000.
    * The inflation-adjusted media income of 25-34-year-olds is the same as it was in 1975.
    * It has been 15 years since a majority of Americans thought the US was “on the right track”.
    * Federal debt was at 25% of GDP in 1975. It is now at 75% and is projected to hit 150% by 2050.
    * Life expectancy has declined over the last five years.
    Conclusion: The US has some serious problems that need addressing.
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:34am
    - Tall Man
      
      Why should income increase over inflation if productivity is the same.
      
      Federal debt, international debt, NZ debt (government and private/corporate) are all higher as a percentage of GDP. The coalition will make a severe impact on NZ over the next 2 years.
      
      Life expectancy will diminish as modern lifestyles and eating habits take their toll.
      
      Stop looking at the negatives, it will kill you quickly and thus prove the diminishing life expectancy argument.
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:54am
    - marcw
      
      Looking at the source, has anyone actually fact checked those claims? They don’t seem credible to me knowing the current US lifestyles.
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:49am
    - Jules99
      
      “Increasing deaths due to drug overdoses and suicides explain this slight downtick in life expectancy, the US Centers for Disease Control says.” Source: CNN
      
      Build that wall Mr President.
      
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      February 7, 2019 11:24am
    - MH
      
      there’s still a feeling of being walled in.
      
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      February 7, 2019 4:30pm
- Than
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  That’s as maybe, but the SOTU won’t have changed anybody’s mind.
  
  Like his oval office speech a few weeks back, there was nothing new here. Just Trump repeating his standard claims about immigration for the hundredth time. People have already heard these and made up their mind about them.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:26am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and yet
    His approval rating rose post SOTU
    His approval rating is higher than Obama’s was at this stage
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:49am
- artemisia
  
  One SOTU sentence –
  
  – “Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country.”
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:29am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I’m wondering how all those Dem- loving Hollywood types are reacting to a proposed 90% tax rate.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    It won’t be for them, just the smelly workers so why would they care?
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:54am
  - peterwn
    
    A very high tax rate particularly hurts creative and artistic people with ‘lumpy’ income. They could pay at 90% one year but have very low income the next year.
    J R R Tolkien and James Herriot (Alf Wight) received the bulk of their royalties over short periods and were stung with a tax rate of 19/6d in the pound (95%) as it then was in the UK on much of that. J R R Tolkien was forced to sell the movie rights to his books for a very small amount to pay his tax bill.
    Tax rates were so punitive that the government at the time had to allow or tolerate exemptions and deductions all over the place to stop businesses going under.
    
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    February 7, 2019 10:28am
    - MH
      
      wot you mean, he ended up with precious little…
      
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      February 7, 2019 4:32pm
  - Komata
    
    Shaun@0838
    
    AOC WON’T tax them; it’s only the rich REPUBLICANS that she’s interested in destroying..
    
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    February 7, 2019 2:05pm
- Colinxy
  
  The Democrat women wore white yesterday due to solidarity. I suspect it was part of honouring their historical KKK links.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:24am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and applauded when DJT said women had got 58% of the jobs created in the last 6 months
    and more congress positions were held by women since he was elected.
    Did notice the change in the look on their faces, wondering whether or not they should be.
    How are they going to call him a misogynist now?
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:52am
    - Colinxy
      
      It was particularly fun to see their contortions over what they would or would not cheer for. For example, when Trump was stating that congress needed to help eliminate sex traffickers, Democrat presidential candidate wanna, Kamala Harris, was vigorously shaking her head “NO!” and the rest of her cohorts refused to acknowledge this was a good idea either.
      
      In conclusion, being a Democrat means being pro-sex trafficking.
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:25am
      - Komata
        
        Colinxy@10.25
        
        But the ‘clincher’ of the night was the Dems ABSOLUTE SILENCE when the President made his ‘Sanctity of life’ comments!!
        
        If John and Jane Doe were in any doubt about how the Dems view both them and human life, their silence said it all.
        
        It won’t be forgotten…
        
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        February 7, 2019 2:11pm
      - Colinxy
        
        Komata,
        
        I’m trying to see the problem from a Democrat lens. I just don’t see it, sorry. Democrats have been happy killing babies for decades, especially starting with Margaret Sanger.
        
        You know, Hillary Clinton’s heroine, KKK idol (there’s a picture somewhere of Sanger on a pedestal being saluted by lots of KKK members) and eugenics advocate with a special target against blacks.
        
        As such, I really don’t think their silence over the matter is going to hurt them in the slightest.
        
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        February 7, 2019 2:42pm
    - MH
      
      more like a “miss gymnast”
      
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      February 7, 2019 4:33pm
- tf78
  
  It was so good to the a..hole democrats stick out like dogs balls in their white jackets – they looked just so lame. The look on Cortex’s face was really something to behold.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:35am
srylands

I have been been trying tofu recipes since the start of the year. Nothing is making it taste good.
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February 7, 2019 8:14am
- auckwood
  
  Easy,
  step 1: take Tofu in your hands
  step 2: throw it in the bin
  step 3: cook a steak instead
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:16am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Slice it fairly thinly (not big cubes). Marinate in soy sauce in the fridge for a few hours. Whatever you do next it will taste better than it would otherwise.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:40am
- Tall Man
  
  Why?
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Because mega industrial companies can make money by converting folks to eating plant protein rather than meat.
    The lure of “disrupting” what remains of the unadulterated food supply (meat, dairy, fish, eggs) is an appealing proposition for start-up alternative protein companies and incumbent food industry giants.
    
    The profitability of taking what should only be considered livestock feedstuffs, and processing this into human-consumable products, is an extremely lucrative business.
    
    At the time of writing, a 415-gram box of “Nestle Shreddies Cereal” (96% whole grain wheat) can be purchased at the UK supermarket Sainsbury’s for £2.15 or £0.52/100g (a retail price per tonne of £5,200).
    
    Currently, the spot UK milling wheat price is approximately £180/tonne.
    
    A back of the envelope calculation indicates a mark-up of 2,788%. Although I am not familiar with the detailed economics of breakfast cereal processing, one can assume the margins will be at least several hundred percent – after packaging, transportation, and the processor’s margin is accounted for.
    
    Whereas beef processing margins (after all costs), as an industry norm, are “in very low single digit percentages” – according to Tom Kirwan (CEO of ABP, a leading UK and Irish beef processor).
    
    Given these indisputable facts, it is easy to see why Cargill and Tyson Foods (established animal protein processors) are keen to invest in alternative protein companies.
    https://www.sustainableag.co.uk/whats-really-behind-the-plant-based-diet-agenda/
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:04am
    - simpleton1
      
      Thanks MW.
      Crony Capitalism,
      Crony Socialism,
      Crony Greenism.
      
      All in the name of sustainability, for carbon reduction/taxes.
      Follow the money, through the gates and walls.
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:13am
    - kowtow
      
      Very interesting.
      
      All over the place I’ve been seeing stories , articles , opinion pieces themed around “saving the planet one meal at a time”.
      
      And like “climate change” no doubt there’s big money behind this push too.
      
      ps How do you know someone’s a vegan ?
      
      Cos they tell you , again and again and again and again…….
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:23am
      - MH
        
        lack of red meat makes you go vague.
        
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        February 7, 2019 4:35pm
    - Viking2
      
      Interesting Maggie.
      They tried already and failed with that option.
      
      Margarine being the example. Sure they got the cabinet space for a few years but butter now dominates in the USA Dairy cabinets. Back to the future stuff.
      No one really likes Palm Oil.
      Notice that all soap in made with it now. Doesn’t suit me.
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:56am
    - tf78
      
      A couple go into a restaurant and say to the waitress
      “We don’t eat, eggs, meat, fish, dairy, or gluten. What would you recommend?”
      Waitress “A taxi”.
      
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      February 7, 2019 11:17am
- Colinxy
  
  Tofu needs processing.
  
  Feed tofu to your chickens. Slaughter and butcher your chickens. Their meat might be passable.
  
  Disclaimer: I’ve not tried this but it seems reasonable.
  
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  February 7, 2019 10:28am
auckwood

spent a few days in hospital recently, boredom/drugs got me thinking of a new angle/conspiracy theory….

Maybe, Carol Hirschfeld is the as-yet unnamed journalist mentioned in the JLR controversy…… and she has been the one leaking all the details to the public, via Claire Curran and their coffee shop gossip sessions (which explains why they weren’t recorded as official meetings….)

More believable than Cindys ‘read between the lines’ statement on backing the original Sroubek decision at least!
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February 7, 2019 8:14am
- sooty
  
  Well she does have form!
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:39am
- Yvette
  
  Auckwood, I hope the medication is doing well in it’s primary function, aiding your recovery.
  
  The Hirschfeld / Curran meeting was December 5, 2017, possibly at the suggestion of Curran’s ex-flatmate Ardern, which would explain (reading between the lines) why Ardern did so little about it for so long – in fact until Curran had screwed up again by herself.
  Simon’s national “meet the people“ tour was much later – around May 2018.
  The silly leak of those expenses, to be officially released just a day or two later, was to blow most-likely suspect Jami-Lee Ross out of the water, not Bridges, and was probably either the jilted MP lover (the leak being two days after her nasty text, “out of the blue” since the relationship supposedly ended in May) or the RNZ reporter, who figures strongly in the PriceWaterHouse report.
  
  An apparently more transparent and confessional Ross is still only telling us what he thinks we should know.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:54am
  - auckwood
    
    Thanks Yvette, back home again sans an appendix
    
    Sadly (even under the fog and disconnect from reality that opioid based pain relief can induce) I knew most of what you said (didnt know the flatmate connection, so learnt something today atleast!)
    
    Still, when viewed in context with the other transparent governing shown ie. ILG/Sroubek/Ardern/hardcore/lawnmower scandal, the entire JLR shortland st plot, Currans capabilities, kiwi fail etc, my deluded conspiracy theory isn’t really outta place in the scheme of things hahah
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:22am
    - Biscuit
      
      Auckwood, I hope you remembered to get your appendix to bring home.
      
      You can take it up to Waitangi and bury it alongside Jacinda’s placenta!
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:30am
    - Yvette
      
      Sorry about your appendix, Auckwood.
      
      But have you ever wondered what happened to the $38 million RNZ+ television channel that Labour had decided we needed, but never explained why?
      Obviously the original Curran meeting was to discuss with Hirschfeld (pro-television) how Labour should get around the RNZ elite’s (Griffin et al) resistance to the channel.
      So, how important was it, if it could be delayed or just disappear without a further mention?
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:33am
secondcumming

Could the same thing ever happen here?

The *Sydney Morning Herald* are reporting that a Chinese resident has been denied re-entry into Australia, after allegations he had been ‘under- declaring’ the amount of donations made to certain Political Parties.

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1092867419943682048

This reeks of possible corruption at the highest level in an attempt by the Chinese to buy political influence.
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February 7, 2019 8:14am
- waikatogirl
  
  Baubles for the CoL will ensure he can move to Auckland and receive residency.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:20am
  - sooty
    
    No just for Whinney!
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:40am
- wiseowl
  
  Very similar to what has already happened here.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:55am
- Dave Mann
  
  I understand your concern. But given that our own country is now in terminal decline politically, socially and economically, who would you prefer to be our new masters – the Maoris or the Chinese?
  
  Obviously I would prefer it if we could somehow survive this self destructive spiral… but I really don’t think that is going to be possible given that there simply isn’t a political party that wants to preserve New Zealand’s fine heritage and values.
  
  So where do we go from here? Into tribalism, nepitism, illiteracy, sloth and resentful anger, or into a forward thinking, developing, hard working education loving technological society under China’s sphere of influence?
  
  Hard question. But I can tell you right now that there’s no way the Chinese would put up with the sort of shit that bedevils us on our own National Day.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:19am
  - Paulus
    
    It has been reported that in 14 years time the Chinese population of New Zealand will exceed that of Maori – interesting.
    And they will all be almost 100% Chinese not part anything like Maori.
    
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    February 7, 2019 1:34pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Better get those Waitangi Settlements all settled soon.
      
      Why should non-coloniser folks’ taxes be paying for past grievances?
      
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      February 7, 2019 2:43pm
- kowtow
  
  Never mind “could it” , it already is .
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:25am
Tarquin North

All the schools kids have finally gone back. Cindy now has somewhere to hide and the questions shouldn’t be too challenging.
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February 7, 2019 8:17am
- DigNap15
  
  Are the MP’s going back to work this year?
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:26am
  - sooty
    
    Meant to turn up Feb 12th.
    JacinDUH has a month to go get new clothes, shoes!
    Where was she for 6 or 8 weeks over chrissy/ NY?
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:42am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Nah, try Gissy for some.
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:24am
      - sooty
        
        Nah, Jethro and baybee were there but didn’t hear about her. Would have been in the news if she was at the Warehouse.
        
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        February 7, 2019 11:02am
    - waikatogirl
      
      In Morrisville apparently. Visiting her grandfather for Christmas with her sister over from UK?
      As long as she wasn’t in Parliament ruining our country I don’t care where she was, or what she was doing.
      
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      February 7, 2019 2:42pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Work?
    
    WTF are you smoking?
    
    They “front” for photo ops and that’s it. That’s why everything (everythink for the lefties) they have touched has turned to shit.
    
    Work…that’s what useless fuckers like you and I do….and most National MPs which is why they are releasing policy without “working” groups.
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:44am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Going back…yes
    To work…?
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:55am
  - peterwn
    
    Yes, and National MP’s are honing their questions ready for question time. Probably the biggest difficulty the party faces is to decide which topics need to get priority since they are spoilt for choice as to which topics to ask questions on.
    Tracy Martin as Minister of Internal Affairs has just handed National another topic on a plate over her claims of National’s astroturfing.
    
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    February 7, 2019 10:36am
    - Tarquin North
      
      No shortage of material there, the trick will be select a subject and attack relentlessly but carefully. The dud Czech looks like a pretty good starting point.
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:44am
      - peterwn
        
        I heard to listen in on this one next Tuesday. Quick, Jacinda, arrange a kindergarten visit.
        
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        February 7, 2019 12:28pm
      - Komata
        
        Tarquin
        
        Sorry to have to ask this again, but does Simon actually WANT to be PM?
        
        He gives all the indications that he doesn’t, and also that he is quite content to wander along until ‘election’ year; no hurry, no intention of trying to get the govt out of power. To use a phrase ‘She’ll be right mate’!!
        
        Observation of several Parliamentary Question Times would seem to indicate that he tends to go easy on Cindy, doesn’t seem especially interested in winding her up and in some instances actually seems to agree with her and the CoL’s plans / actions.
        
        Surely this is WRONG?
        
        Or am I missing something?
        
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        February 7, 2019 2:30pm
      - peterwn
        
        Komata – Yes, Simon wants to be PM but is playing a very cool game. No point in attacking Jacinda at this stage if she gets all the sympathy and he is regarded as mean or worse.
        
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        February 7, 2019 4:04pm
    - Paulus
      
      National must not spread their questions widely but concentrate on a few weak Ministers, where they may get some media traction.
      May not of course but that is par for this course with the media trying to control what is said or written.
      
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      February 7, 2019 1:37pm
      - peterwn
        
        As far as I know, Caucus or some committee would have this in hand. Question slots are allocated to parties (AFAIK in portion to number of non-minister MP’s in the party), not individuals so it is up to the party to decide who asks what.Usually the MP who has done the research gets to ask the question as the MP has the background info to fire off the supplementaries with precision. Depending on the ‘catch’ the MP could be given another slot at next QT.
        An opposition MP who performs well with research and with questions is heading the right way towards a better list ranking at the next election and more responsibilities eg select committee chair, whip, under secretary, etc.
        
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        February 7, 2019 5:15pm
- alloytoo
  
  As long as she sticks to primary schools.
  
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  February 7, 2019 10:37am
hullkiwi

An OI Request by Forest & Bird to MPI has furnished a letter from the leaders of the fishing industry telling MPI how opposed they are to cameras on fishing vessels. This letter was written at the same time the industry was advertising heavily on TV last year as to what good stewards of the sea they are. As was highlighted by Russel Norman (someone whose politics I do not agree with) the fishing industry are after more quota before they’ll discuss cameras on boats.

Does the fishing industry not get it, if you over fish the available stock today, there is no fish tomorrow? Just ask East Coast Canadians if cod stocks have ever recovered after they were wiped out by indiscriminate fishing in the 1990s!

If today’s fisherman want an industry tomorrow, they need to look at their leadership!
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February 7, 2019 8:21am
- Pascal
  
  National was heading in the right direction with their work to preserve our fishing stock. Unfortunately, the Labour/Green/NZ First coalition have destroyed that attempt for a few paltry industry contributions to their political fund.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    Perhaps paltry to the party fund but I would think very substantial to the personal fund of both wynston the thief and the fat robber jones.
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:41am
  - MH
    
    Some believe Trump is an orange roughie.
    
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    February 7, 2019 4:42pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Not sure but I think he may well be an orange toughie….
      
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      February 7, 2019 8:59pm
- peterwn
  
  The industry’s attitude is the similar to Telecom’s attitude when it was initially privatised.
  The industry can optimise its wealth by fishing aggressively and who cares if things are fished out in 20 years time. This is because money has time value and the extra money made now can be invested in other enterprises in the future, the Rutherford Hotel in Nelson (owned by the Talleys AFAIK) being a good example.
  Similarly Rodrick Deane in Telecom recognised there was a decent window of opportunity to make big profits out of it by making things difficult for competition before bureaucratic regulators caught up with them.
  
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  February 7, 2019 10:44am
- rangitoto
  
  I see that Sea Shepherd have requested that Trump immediately ban NZ fish imports due to the naughty NZ fishing industry harming dolphins.
  
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  February 7, 2019 12:55pm
  - MH
    
    Some believe Trump is an orange roughie.
    
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    February 7, 2019 4:43pm
    - lofty
      
      Getting boringly repetitive.
      It was reasonably funny the first time.
      Know when to fold up son.
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:50pm
- Paulus
  
  Peters and Jones are their Leaders.
  More free Scampi.
  
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  February 7, 2019 1:38pm
Happychappy

Even the Maori are starting to wonder if Waitangi day can survive without the protests and dildo throwing, with one Maori MP saying it has become rather bland without it.
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February 7, 2019 8:23am
- kevn
  
  @Happy… Yep, the Waitangi road closures due to police having to control big brawls and Bishop Mr T’s horde of bikers certainly ensures it isn’t a bland day.
  Dysfunctional is more like it.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:49am
  - peterwn
    
    Looks like Andy wants to contract out prison operation to the Destiny Church. Tamaki good, Serco bad. Whereas Serco pays a penalty for each escape, Destiny would probably receive a bonus for each escape.
    
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    February 7, 2019 10:48am
JIV

I was listening to a global warming presentation the other day and they feigned shock while telling us we had the highest carbon footprint of any country, if you look at a per capita basis. I asked how this could be when we generate 85% of our electricity with renewable. Apparently its because we are the only country to include agriculture in our calculations.

I have several issues with this:
– how can we compare countries outputs if we all use different data
– If we’re using per capita then all we have to do is have more people
– Agriculture can only be a problem if methane is proven to be a problem. I havent seen one of those easy to understand graphs that Mr Gore trucks out that tries to link methane with temperature rise. Also, do they measure methane in the ice cores?

Most likely the answer is the fact the politicians want to impose a carbon tax, and since we have so much “clean” energy they need to tax something else. Therefore start taxing cows instead.
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February 7, 2019 8:24am
- Toko
  
  If they deducted the agricultural exports, what would our per capita emissions be then? Why do we have to include the exported emissions when we are one of the most efficient producers in the world, and NZ produce is feeding millions of people worldwide. The whole scheme is a rort. Evangelists determined to tank our economy, to look good at the UN.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    Because they are all arseholes with an agenda on a mission.
    
    Unfortunately the mission isn’t to make New Zealand a better place or even the world, their mission is to latch onto a more beneficial teat for their own personal enrichment.
    
    Lying thieves the lot of them.
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:37am
    - G152
      
      The entire country has the population of a large overseas city.
      Add in livestock and we’re almost the same size as to largest city.
      Yet we’re supposed to be a problem ???????
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:13am
      - namron
        
        Population-wise, NZ is 125th on the list of countries.
        There are 91 CITIES in the World with more people than NZ.
        So important to keep these facts in mind when considering some of the problems mentioned above.
        
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        February 7, 2019 12:52pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Except sacred cows of course.
  Evidently they don’t fart methane.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:36am
  - sooty
    
    But Comrade JacinDUH, don’t fart!
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      Just shits from both ends.
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:08am
    - freethinker
      
      Jacinda is a fart, hence the bad smell that follows her around.
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:43am
      - sooty
        
        How does that hold the glitter?
        
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        February 7, 2019 11:04am
  - Viking2
    
    All it takes is to employ many Indian farmers and then our cows will be sacred as well.
    Simple solution.
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:53am
    - kowtow
      
      Yeah but then there goes the barbie.
      
      ‘A court in the northern Indian state of Jharkhand has sentenced 11 men to life in prison for lynching a Muslim meat trader last year.’
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43496017
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:28am
  - auckwood
    
    Dont forget the global warming caused by the CoL…
    
    Isn’t there currently a GAG machine or something close to that name, pumping huge amounts of nitrogen into Pike River mine, to force out huge explosive amounts of methane for the sake of grandstanding…?
    
    Not to mention SLG’s private jet to the islands…
    
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    February 7, 2019 11:09am
    - rangitoto
      
      I noticed she was cooking on a gas BBQ that other day. Didn’t she ban gas exploration?
      
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      February 7, 2019 12:58pm
      - Paulus
        
        Not New Zealand gas – imported from Aussie surely.
        
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        February 7, 2019 1:41pm
    - Paulus
      
      Isn’t the 11th February next week the day for Little and Peters to enter the Mine Drift ?
      Can’t see them getting fit to enter.
      
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      February 7, 2019 1:41pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Not only do we overstate our emissions as you have noted, but the developed Northern Hemisphere countries of Europe and America have moved much of their generation of emissions off shore by basing manufacturing in Africa, Asia and Indian Ocean island nations. Many of the factories used in the clothing and footwear sectors are inefficient, using old equipment and plentifully avaialable cheap labour. Then you have the carbon footprint of transporting finished goods to market. None of which is counted properly.
  So, the Global Warming evangalists have no credibility in what they are pedalling in order to support this rort of an industry.
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:55am
- Ross12
  
  I think the real reason NZ includes agriculture is because if it was not in we would NOT have an emissions problem using the way the rest of the world calculates them. There is no way NZ could be seen as an outlier.
  The rest of the world do not include agriculture because politically, farmers are a “protected species” in most developed countries. The scam reeks of hypocrisy from end to end.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:21am
- srylands
  
  That is incorrect. All countries include agriculture in their greenhouse emissions inventories. There is standard reporting under the UNFCCC.
  
  However New Zealand’s agriculture emissions account for about 50 percent of our total. This compares to about 15 percent on average in other developed countries.
  
  I don’t know how we stack up on a per capita basis. I would have thought we were behind Australia.
  
  Apart from agriculture, the only material way we can reduce emissions is in transport. That is difficult. It would require people to buy newer and more efficient cars. However people buy cars according to income. I don’t see many 1998 corollas in Australia. Lots here though.
  
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  February 7, 2019 12:24pm
  - Paulus
    
    The importation and sale of new cars is now down from previous years already.
    
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    February 7, 2019 1:43pm
Mobile Michael

Got called by Roy Morgan last night…

This will be an interesting release next week.
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February 7, 2019 8:27am
- RF
  
  Interesting timing.
  
  Walking bird has been showing the world how she can avoid confrontation only because she was too scared to front the protesters and instead cooked bacon for the great unwashed.
  
  Pity the bacon was undercooked.
  
  Watch out for people going down with trichinellosis and bacterial infections.
  
  SLAG
  
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  February 7, 2019 5:48pm
Viking2

Random embarrassing Question.

How much did it cost NZTA to cancel the contracts in place for the construction of the Tauranga to Katikati Highway.

As a tickler to the answer, it was about one third of what Shane has just given away over the weekend.
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February 7, 2019 8:36am
- thetiedarch
  
  As someone that works for one of the design consultants that was waiting for the Design Tender to come out for that section of SH2, I can say pretty confidently “what contracts?”
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:55am
secondcumming

A relaxing *Maori day* at the Cumming household yesterday.
Received a txt from the neighbors….”hangi at our whare for lunch ?” Andre & Lorelei really are a lovely couple. They only arrived here from Joberg about 3 years ago.

When we went over they’d both put on blackface for the occasion. Andre had dug a ‘hangi pit’ in the backyard. Come time to eat, he removed the sack off the top and pulled out a large Esky. It was stacked full of warm Lion Brown and cold Big Ben Pies still in their cellophane wrappers. Well, fuck me, talk about laugh!!

When we got back home later in the afternoon, the missus said, “How bloody embarrassing was that? We were born in this country….yet those South Africans know more about Maori culture and tradition than we do”
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February 7, 2019 8:59am
- stephieboy
  
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  secondcumming , which anthology of fairy tales did you lift that from?
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    FFS, aren’t you back at school yet steffy girl?
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is a truant.
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:10am
    - freethinker
      
      Stupidboy wont be allowed in Kindy until he is potty trained.
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:46am
  - secondcumming
    
    “I can tell you one thing stephieboy – there’s no way I’m stirring your porridge!” 😎
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOXvJMsWkAEkZ2l.jpg
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:19am
  - kowtow
    
    Oh do fuck off , you’re spoiling the joke . Cunt.
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:31am
BassilFawlty

Another dependence day behind us!
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February 7, 2019 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  Yep , the media will now move on from telling us we’re “bicultural” and how important all that Maori stuff is , back to the multiculti and how important all that other foreign stuff is.
  
  The only constant is that whitey’s a cunt and must pay for it all.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:33am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    To claim that New Zealand is “bicultural” is to deny the cultures of the peoples of Asia.
    
    (Unless “bicultural” means “Maori” and “non-Maori.”)
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:50am
    - toby1845
      
      That is precisely what is means.
      
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      February 7, 2019 12:54pm
      - MH
        
        but you can always buy culture.
        
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        February 7, 2019 4:56pm
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“I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear. ”

Martin Luther King, Jr.
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February 7, 2019 9:04am
- Tall Man
  
  Whereas you have opted for stupidity as “intelligence” is something you’ll never have.
  
  Go to school you lazy sod.
  
  ardern is a liar
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:11am
- auckwood
  
  He shoulda stuck with a bullet proof vest instead….
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:28am
  - auckwood
    
    relax, im just kidding, obviously a bullet proof vest woulda done nothing as he died by result of a head shot!
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:29am
- kowtow
  
  He sure did , plenty of affairs.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:35am
- Inandout
  
  Old MLKjnr sure knew how to love at the many motel rooms he secretly used.
  ‘I had a wet dream’!
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:40am
Southern Raider

Is Cindy a modern day Nero playing her fiddle while Nelson burns?
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February 7, 2019 9:04am
- stephieboy
  
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  Southern Raider, nope!
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:06am
  - Tall Man
    
    Of course not, she has no skills.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      Burning Rome down?
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:53am
      - Tall Man
        
        Perhaps you were away from school the day they covered analogies, similies and metaphors.
        
        Mind you, based on the majority of your posts you must have treated education as an option and declined to take it.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        stefyy is dumb, really really dumb.
        
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        February 7, 2019 10:01am
    - rangitoto
      
      I usually describe Ardern as a motormouth airhead but liar is accurate enough.
      
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      February 7, 2019 9:58am
- Tall Man
  
  Play a fiddle, the lazy sod hasn’t got the skill to learn anything other than 10 second sound bites. Anything longer over taxes her dopey supporter’s mental capacities….just look at steffy girl’s inane posts.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:12am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Toyboy, tell us about your skills set?
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:54am
    - Tall Man
      
      Who is this toyboy you refer to?
      
      Once again you reveal more about yourself than you realise.
      
      Huckeries like yourself will never get a toyboy especially when you look at your beneficiary income…I guess there are times when even a dirty old billy goat is beyond your budget.
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:08am
- burt
  
  Be careful using the word ‘fiddle’ with Labour people around, they will all start talking about the next Labour youth camp and how much fun it will be to get underage people drunk.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    And up will pop steffy….
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:22am
- Harkman
  
  Nero may have been smart.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:19am
  - stephieboy
    
    Burn Rome Down, debaucheries, persecuting Christians etc?
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:56am
    - rangitoto
      
      According to Tacitus, Nero was in Antium during the fire. Upon hearing news of the fire, Nero returned to Rome to organize a relief effort, which he paid for from his own funds. Nero’s contributions to the relief extended to personally taking part in the search for and rescue of victims of the blaze, spending days searching the debris without even his bodyguards. After the fire, Nero opened his palaces to provide shelter for the homeless, and arranged for food supplies to be delivered in order to prevent starvation among the survivors.
      
      It was most likely Christian dissidents who started the fire.
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:02am
      - Lance
        
        FFS, now it was the Christians that did it.
        
        Yes I get that history is full of propaganda used by various people for political ends, like Marie Antoinette never said ” let them eat cake”……….
        
        But the victims did it now?
        
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        February 7, 2019 10:09am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Interesting.
        
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        February 7, 2019 10:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        “It was most likely Christian dissidents who started the fire.”
        
        Extraordinary claim.Breitbart Infowars stuff
        
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        February 7, 2019 12:00pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “Extraordinary claim.Breitbart Infowars stu”
        
        What is extraordinary is fake news from Christians trying to blame Nero when he wasn’t even in Rome at the time.
        
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        February 7, 2019 1:02pm
      - tf78
        
        That doesn’t sound like the Nero I’ve ever heard about. I know that’s what good old Wikipedia says.
        
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        February 7, 2019 2:11pm
      - Peter S
        
        The center of Rome was rotting at that time, elderly and poorly built apartment blocks often collapsed causing lots of deaths. The fire did a great job of clearing out most of this stuff, and left lots of space that Nero enthusiastically used for palaces, lakes and gardens. Not all of his building was self centered, the replacement of buildings was done with better materials and standards, so much so that Nero has been labelled by some as the saviour of Rome.
        I put no credence on blaming dissident Christians. No motive, no payoff lots of risk and lots of punishment.
        As far as Nero being absent, well nobody was saying he ran around the city and lit the fires himself, he was Emperor and had plenty of lackeys to do his bidding.
        He had motive (rebuild, land grab) and the means. His treatment of the Christians showed a sadistic and ruthless character that makes him a viable candidate.
        Meanwhile, there is nothing in the documented actions of tge Christians of that period that gives resl credence to your theory,
        beyond possibly a personal prejudice .
        
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        February 7, 2019 5:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Yold you, the idiot just can’t stay away.
      
      Look steffy, I know you are upset that most don’t want to fiddle with you but I have it on good authority that moslem men have no problem screwing camels and goats so if ardern the liar gets her way and we have a “wonderful” influx of moslems beneficiaries you might get a grab or two. Is that why you love ardern the liar so much?
      
      In case you missed it, being a moron and all
      
      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:05am
- niggly
  
  Thought I heard on the news that Jacinda will fly to Nelson today because of the fires.
  
  I think this will be her first appearance at a natural disaster type event (previously other MP’s have showed up including Green leader James Shaw), took a while didn’t it!
  
  Expect to see serious face put on with head tilting to the side, in solidarity with the locals. Maybe she could fit in a couple of kindy visits and read stories to the worried children?
  
  Then perhaps a couple of hours afterwards she can hang out Nelson local ex-Labour MP Maryan Street for the afternoon, sipping Chardonnay in the sunshine together and extend her holiday a little more? 😉
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:21am
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    niggly, babble, babble, babble…
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:57am
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      ardern is a liar
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:08am
    - pentwig
      
      stoopidthing
      you are a complete and utter f…wit!
      i suppose all the young girls are safe while you are on the computer, you know being a self confessed pervert.
      sicko!!!
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:33am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “I think this will be her first appearance at a natural disaster type event ”
    Ya nailed it
    They have been looking for a moment so they can say:
    JK had Christchurch
    JA has …………..
    and look how much better we handled it.
    EXCEPT for the obvious, they don’t have the skills.
    Maybe to “handle” underage girls at a bar b que, but not anything approaching an actual emergency.
    
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    February 7, 2019 10:15am
  - 453mm
    
    Q. Will the government pay to replace lost homes?
    Q. Will those homes be added to the Kiwibuild tally?
    
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    February 7, 2019 10:47am
    - stigie
      
      “Will those homes be added to the Kiwibuild tally?”
      
      Hell yes, Twatford is drafting that up as we speak !~
      
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      February 7, 2019 11:26am
    - Paulus
      
      Has she created another Southern Response Insurance where tax payer pay for all uninsured property ?
      
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      February 7, 2019 1:48pm
  - BeaB
    
    She gave them $20.000!! Clearly not tangata whenua.
    
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    February 7, 2019 12:20pm
  - Paulus
    
    Like everywhere she goes she sheds taxpayer money to all and sundry like confetti.
    Somebody should tell her it will not buy votes, so piss off.
    
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    February 7, 2019 1:46pm
  - madamezucchininz
    
    ….I was actually wondering if Mrs Ed would visit the fire stricken community……and then here in ChCh we have just had a reasonable shake…..first one in quite a while…..but I am terrified….not of the earthquakes…..but what would happen if we copped another big one with this useless excuse for a government…..it scares me silly because so far they have managed to wreck the country and are driving us into bankruptcy…..what a mess….it does not bear thinking about….
    
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    February 7, 2019 3:36pm
- hullkiwi
  
  People of Nelson should feel blessed. After proving she can feed us yesterday as the “Mother of the Nation”, she is travelling to Nelson to see what miracles she can perform.
  
  Very reminiscent of a certain UK PM who in the British summer of 2007 was described as Flash Gordon. The problem was just before the resumption of parliament that year he got the wobbles, and next minute the wheels fell of the train and at the next General Election he lost!
  
  Here is living in hope for 2020!
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:33am
Catons

With Arden saying that 2019 will be the year of delivery she is saying forget about last years public policy failures we will deliver in 2019. That is a big ask and will set her up for a big political problem later in the year. Meanwhile the National Party will bring out 8 policy discussion documents this year. Labour did nothing and are paying the price for that laziness.
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February 7, 2019 9:06am
DigNap15

re Climate Change emissions.
Its a whole crock of sh..

China has high emissions, but makes stuff that every other country buys eg clothes, electronics, toys, hardware.
NZ grows food for the rest of the world.
India just burns lots of coal to power millions of low class breeders than contribute nothing to the world.
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February 7, 2019 9:13am
- Tall Man
  
  “India just burns lots of coal to power millions of low class breeders than contribute nothing to the world.”
  
  Call centres…….
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:14am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes I forgot that and cricket players and bollywood stars.
    
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    February 7, 2019 9:53am
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/bollywood-star-promote-nz-tourism?variant=tb_v_1
      
      That may explain a few things….
      
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      February 7, 2019 10:11am
  - 453mm
    
    And those nice people from Microsoft that fix my PC for me.
    
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    February 7, 2019 11:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  China is powering ahead with its global greenhouse gas emissions
  China’s coal mine methane regulations have not curbed growing emissions
  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07891-7
  
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  February 7, 2019 1:06pm
lastmanstanding

I suspect the TWG recommendations will be the final nail in the COL coffin. Labour/Greens have to instigate a comprehensive CGT to keep any credibility. Winston knows this will lose him his voting base as it will impact them heavily.
The shit fight will mean either Lab/Greens win and NZF loses or NZF wins and Lab/Greens lose.

Either way it has the ability to weaken the COL and cause the MSM to further turn on the COL.

The MSM aint stupid all the time. They sniff the wind and see how its blowing and now understand a significant number of citizens are pissed off with the COL.

The MSM doesn’t like being on the losing side so they will continue to show up the COL faults and weaken their re-election prospects.

I also suspect Cindy is getting to meltdown point. No amount of minding and protection can shield her from the realities of the PMs role.

It would be no surprise that sometime before the next election she announces the long wanted UN job having being jacked up for her by H1 and H2 so she can exit with some show of dignity.

The question is who will replace her?
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February 7, 2019 9:19am
- burt
  
  Hey Clint, who have we got as backup PM?
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:27am
- DigNap15
  
  yes I said something similar the other day.
  If and when Ardern goes who will replace her as Pm and Labour Leader?
  The COL only got in because of her.
  Under Little they were toast.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:55am
- Inandout
  
  If the next poll still has her as popular and the CoL hanging in there then I give up. As for the MSM well they are becoming less and less noticed by the public, and once Stuff goes paywall it will be the end of them. Their Aussie owners will be only too happy to cut them afloat. The CGT will arrive and Winston will slide around it as he usually does, fooling his ancient followers by smoke and mirrors.
  
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  February 7, 2019 10:01am
  - tf78
    
    I’ve just found a brand new, news site – Reported.co.nz – take a look.
    
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    February 7, 2019 4:30pm
- tf78
  
  I just can’t see that she has anything the UN could possibly want.
  
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  February 7, 2019 11:31am
  - Paulus
    
    She could fry fish and chips in Sudan !
    
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    February 7, 2019 1:50pm
KevOB

Considerations about Venezuela:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-06/real-reason-us-wants-regime-change-venezuela
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February 7, 2019 9:21am
- wreck1080
  
  Who knows the truth there? The article lost me at saying Trump is an illegitimate president.
  
  But, it does ram home as to why we shouldn’t be supporting one leader or another.
  
  Rather, we should support the return to a fair democratic process.
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:41am
  - KevOB
    
    South America doesn’t do democracy, rulers have been the norm. They morph over time into benign and limited elections. Is it the Spanish influence? The countries are largely feudal.
    Are the Saudis and the Gulf states any different? One model of government doesn’t work in all societies. Socialism is the model when the rulers act to bring about a notional equality according to their self-belief on everything. Others then more astute seize the opportunity for serious control and enrichment.
    
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    February 7, 2019 10:52am
mandk

Time to sign and share the Shchetkova petition, if you haven’t done so already: https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_83798/petition-of-don-campbell-allow-the-shchetkovas-owners?fbclid=IwAR11PatmtfZfEO2xgil88MpVdPwnjzWo54lMspQAGY5lBwAZFMNyj4Iruxk

It’s a great opportunity to stand behind a hard working, entrepreneurial family, as well as to show up how appalling the Sroubek decision was.

12,734 signatures, and still 4 days to go.
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February 7, 2019 9:47am
- Dave Mann
  
  Done. Hope it is successful.
  
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  February 7, 2019 11:35am
mandk

Edit: response to wreck1080

I guess the question is who is more likely to deliver a fair democratic process for the Venezuelan people.

I don’t know much about Guaido, but Maduro is, without a shadow of doubt, someone who has rigged previous elections and has inflicted dreadful hardship on the people. He is a tyrant.
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February 7, 2019 9:54am
DigNap15

It seems impossible to hold free and fair elections in many countries.
Even in the USA there are often voting irregularities in Florida etc.
And we have had duplicate voting here in NZ.
And of course in Africa just about every election is fixed, even with UN or EU monitoring.
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February 7, 2019 9:57am
- Inandout
  
  DN15, the UN people are too busy fondling children to notice such things as ‘fair elections’.
  
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  February 7, 2019 10:05am
- Paulus
  
  In the USA Florida has nothing to the scams in California.
  You do not have to be even registered or have identity to vote there.
  They do it by busing illegal immigrants by coachloads.
  
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  February 7, 2019 1:57pm
dime

Trump cracks me.

Tradition for the state of the union is a copy of the speech gets sent to the other side early, for rebuttal purposes.

Trump sent one speech and gave another. which is why drunk nancy was fumbling through pages for most of it.

Might not be true, have verified from multiple sources, but its funny if it is.

As for the nasty group of bitches wearing white in the crowd. my god. they applauded themselves but thats about it. they looked like bitchy school girls.
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February 7, 2019 10:16am
- KevOB
  
  St Trinians demo mob.
  
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  February 7, 2019 10:39am
Fletch

Oh this is priceless. Bernie Sanders face during Trump’s State of the Union when Trump says Socialism doesn’t work and that the USA will NEVER adopt Socialism…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REbf3ZNaHiw

The State of the Union rated highly among viewers. CNN did a poll and reported – 59% very positive, 17% somewhat positive, 23% negative reaction among viewers. CBS reported that 72% of their viewers agree with Trump’s view on immigration.
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February 7, 2019 10:37am
- Swifty
  
  It would be nice to hear NZers say those sorts of things, once in a while.
  
  NZ politicians even.
  
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  February 7, 2019 10:52am
  - stephieboy
    
    Swifty, nothing stopping you. Carry on…
    
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    February 7, 2019 11:57am
- kowtow
  
  I have no doubt that across the western world immigration is a major concern to many if not a majority of citizens .
  
  But you wouldn’t get that impression when reading / listening to MSM , who of course have their own agenda.
  
  How come “populism” as the media put it is becoming so popular ?
  
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  February 7, 2019 11:29am
starboard

Good mooning from Phuket trendsetters, where it is so hot that I’m sitting here sweating like a murri learning english.

Courtesy of the fine people from the Taxpayers Union..have you joined yet ?

“The lead up to Waitangi festivities saw the Government announce a string of expensive initiatives focused on Māori, including $100 million for Māori landowners; $27 million for infrastructure in Kaipara; $82 million for jobs programmes; and $21 million for digital ‘hubs’.

Call us scrouges, but we say Waitangi should be about reflecting on our country’s origins, not using taxpayer money for Muldoon-style pork barrelling.

Ka Tukuna Atu, Ka Tukuna Mai – give with one hand, take with the other ?‍♂️
Waitangi report coverThe irony of all this spending – mostly aimed at the Māori elite – is the fact that Māori smokers, generally the poorest of the poor, are paying far more per year in tobacco excise tax, than the total Government spends on Māori development and Treaty Settlements.

On Tuesday we released our research note on the subject, Ka Tukuna Atu, Ka Tukuna Mai: How the Government gives from one hand, takes with the other.

The Government annually takes $120 million more from Māori via tobacco excise than it gives in Treaty Settlements and Māori Development funding.

When calculated as a proportion of income, New Zealand charges smokers the most punitive tobacco tax rate in the developed world. Despite that, Māori smoking rates are stubborn. Counterintuitively, it is the poorest communities which are being the least responsive to recent tax hikes.

There is increasing evidence to suggest that smokeless tobacco products like snus and heat-not-burn are far less harmful than cigarettes, and are much better at getting people to quit smoking.

Using tobacco tax revenue to fund Waitangi spend-ups just transfers wealth from low-income Māori families to politically-connected iwi leadership. Worse still, it appears that while the Government cries crocodile tears about Māori smoking rates, its addiction to tax revenue sees it dragging the chain on making safer alternatives, successfully used overseas to get smokers to quit, more available.

The full report can be read here.

No, the Provincial Growth Fund has not created jobs ?‍?
Shane Jones

Newshub reported this week that Shane Jones’ Provincial Growth Fund has created just 54 jobs — less than half the number of bureaucrats in Wellington managing the fund!

But even that’s too kind.

Robbing successful businesses through higher taxes to fund uneconomic political projects does not create any jobs. In fact, it destroys them.

Money from the Growth Fund hasn’t come from thin air – it was taken from taxpayers, churned through a bureaucratic process, and then thrown at projects based on political convenience. The question is, how many more jobs would these funds have created if they were left with taxpayers to spend at businesses of their choice?”
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February 7, 2019 10:48am
- dime
  
  starboard – how long have you been living in Thailand? must be 2-3 years by now?
  
  Do you live like a king? for fuck all?
  
  No intention of moving there myself, just curious
  
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  February 7, 2019 10:58am
  - starboard
    
    Yes mate, be all of that. I do pop back to NZ from time to time for a laff, but I’m firmly planted over here. Thailand is cheap, I get by on 12K a year. That’s food, booze, transport, chicks. Love it to bits, do call by sometime.
    
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    February 7, 2019 11:05am
    - Tall Man
      
      I do like the area north of the airport around Mai Khao. Not so many grubby tourists.
      
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      February 7, 2019 11:09am
    - dime
      
      “Thailand is cheap, I get by on 12K a year. That’s food, booze, transport, chicks. Love it to bits, do call by sometime”
      
      sweet baby jesus lol
      
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      February 7, 2019 11:14am
      - starboard
        
        ..and I live in one of the most expensive parts of Thailand..you can get cheaper but that would mean moving away from the beach, and we can’t have that.
        Tall Man, yes it is very nice up there, in fact I took a ride up to Nai Yang 2 days ago, sat on the beach, had a couple of cold Changs and perved at all the Russian girlies walking around in their G- bangers. A sight to behold I tell ya!
        
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        February 7, 2019 11:19am
      - starboard
        
        My last power bill for the month was $30 nz !
        
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        February 7, 2019 11:26am
      - sooty
        
        What do they do with goat shaggers over there.
        Just asking for a friend!
        
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        February 7, 2019 1:48pm
      - Johnboy
        
        You really ought to change to sheep sooty. Their built in lanolin lube has to be experienced to be believed! 🙂
        
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        February 7, 2019 2:10pm
    - Tall Man
      
      See you in 2020..maybe we can do an online vote together 🙂
      
      Last time we were inThailand on election day we had to endure 40 degree heat to traipse to the embassy in BK.
      
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      February 7, 2019 8:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      How’d you sort your NZ pension
      
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      February 7, 2019 8:13pm
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Word Origin and History for floccinaucinihilipilification

“action or habit of estimating as worthless,” 1741, a combination of four Latin words ( flocci, nauci, nihili, pilifi ) all signifying “at a small price” or “for nothing,” which were listed together in a rule of the well-known Eton Latin Grammar. The kind of jocular formation that was possible among educated men in Britain in those days. Just so, as in praesenti , the opening words of mnemonic lines on conjugation in Lilley’s 16c. Latin grammar, could stand alone as late as 19c. and be understood to mean “rudiments of Latin.”

Just for fun and perhaps a new description of the col.
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February 7, 2019 10:57am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  was used by a white house press secretary some years back to much journalistic bemusement.
  
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  February 7, 2019 1:39pm
DigNap15

If Ardern is still high in the next polls
And if the COL is still high in the next polls
It will be because
A lot of ferals and left wing liberals think taxing the rich, CGT, is a good thing.
10,000 people now no on sanctions think staying home and watching the blues is a good thing.
Think that getting that wage rise last year and the one comign up soon is a good idea.
And that getting a big rise in benefits last year was a good thing.
And that banning plastic bags was a good thing to save the world.
So, sadly, National and Simon have no chance.
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February 7, 2019 11:05am
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110417296/nz-unemployment-jumps-to-43-per-cent-as-job-creation-slows

Hey Jacinda? Care to comment?
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February 7, 2019 11:09am
- Tall Man
  
  Has it been on the telly yet?
  
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  February 7, 2019 11:15am
  - sooty
    
    If it’s not on the telly, JacinDUH thinks it’s not true!
    
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    February 7, 2019 1:46pm
- burt
  
  I think we need to have a conversation about this, about why more men are unemployed than females and what this government can do to address this unacceptable inequality.
  
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  February 7, 2019 11:15am
- Bill felt
  
  Dollar drops:
  
  https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/currency/nzdusd
  
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  February 7, 2019 11:54am
  - dime
    
    that’s a decent drop too. bought a ton to get me through to the end of the year last week. 69 cents. got down to late 68’s for my November cover.
    
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    February 7, 2019 1:49pm
Captain Mainwaring

Unemployment bottomed out at 4.0% and is on the rise again, up to 4.3%. It will get much worse.
Oh dear.
Couldn’t possibly be anything to do with the policies of the CoL.
Oh, wait…………
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February 7, 2019 11:16am
- Bill felt
  
  Dec Qtr Stats released today:
  Labour market at a glance
  Unemployment rate rose to 4.3 percent
  Underutilisation rate rose to 12.1 percent
  Employment rate fell to 67.8 percent
  Filled jobs rose 1.3 percent
  Average ordinary time hourly earnings rose to $31.63
  Wage rates increased 1.9 percent annually.
  
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  February 7, 2019 11:36am
- stephieboy
  
  Captain Mainwaring, March 2017 unenempymnet rate 4.9%,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTPPMpNoP1M
  
  What went wrong?
  
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  February 7, 2019 11:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    What went wrong, idiots like you voted in a minority government supported by a sleazy old drunken thief on the assumption that you would get an increase in your benefits.
    
    You did not but the removal of sanctions, you know..punishment for fraud etc, has led to a massive increase in lazy buggers like yourself sucking at the teat.
    
    steffy is a lazy bitch
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    ps: Sir William Engish is no longer PM.
    
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    February 7, 2019 2:44pm
Lance

I thought teachers pay was so low that that they had to eat gorse and ‘live in shoe box in middle of road’?

How come heaps of people are applying to become teachers?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12201152
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February 7, 2019 11:21am
- fernglas
  
  Because there are people out there who do things for reasons other than purely money? In reality, the number of teacher applicants has been swelled by men who are now from a generation too young to remember the terrible perils of being a male teacher during the witch hunts of the Ellis era. And just as well. My kids never saw a male in the classroom in their primary years.
  
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  February 7, 2019 12:03pm
  - Inandout
    
    fernglas, you sure they are not trans? If the school has more females than the quota then switch to male; or Roberta to Robert. (just joking). If teachers and nurses do things for humanitarian purposes then where does that leave politicians, who used to claim that?
    
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    February 7, 2019 1:29pm
    - fernglas
      
      It leaves the politicians earning about three times a teacher’s salary and being about one third of the use.
      
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      February 7, 2019 2:28pm
      - Tall Man
        
        1/3rd…that’s pretty generous. I would rate the coalitions worth around zero, possibly negative.
        
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        February 7, 2019 2:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Possibly but I think the time off has an appeal as well.
    
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    February 7, 2019 2:35pm
- Paulus
  
  A young Teacher has to do two years apprentichip before they can be approved by the Teachers Council – read Union..
  Some 42% leave after getting academic qualification before registration.
  Many find that older Union dykes get rid of their aspirations.
  
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  February 7, 2019 2:02pm
Chuck Bird

I heard on Radio Magic that the woman with the megaphone on Waitangi Day was the partner or the dude who invited him.

I wonder if there is any truth in this claim.
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February 7, 2019 11:29am
- Swifty
  
  True.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gDkHSIE0ZY
  
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  February 7, 2019 11:39am
  - BeaB
    
    So it was all a malicious set-up.
    Silly old Don. Nasty family.
    Bad faith on what they tell us is an important day.
    As usual the media pretended not to see.
    
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    February 7, 2019 12:17pm
    - Tall Man
      
      He did get more coverage than a quiet reception would have given him.
      
      The speech was actually very good. Anyone who thinks he’s a racist is a moron.
      
      Yep, that covers most of the lefties on this blog.
      
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      February 7, 2019 2:33pm
Captain Mainwaring

KFC is one of the biggest advertisers on TV and most of their ads are utterly cringeworthy.
Then they make a good one and some pathetic member of the fun police complains loudly enough that they have to pull it.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12201571
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February 7, 2019 11:51am
- Inandout
  
  I love that Hugo ad with the fat kids wanting their KFC fix.
  
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  February 7, 2019 1:33pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    That was one of the greats.
    
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    February 7, 2019 2:12pm
- Tall Man
  
  They should have told them to fuck off. That’s about the only response for that sort of snowflake whinging social media bullying shit.
  
  What tossers those 8 people must be.
  
  8 out of how many tens of thousands and they rule the day.
  
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  February 7, 2019 2:30pm
- MH
  
  I reported here before….
  what would be more objectionable are the lyrics of Mungo jerry’s song In the summer time are the sexist and metoo words
  
  If her daddy’s rich take her out for a meal
  If her daddy’s poor just do what you feel
  
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  February 7, 2019 5:31pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    The feminazis are looking for you now – and a few soft cock snowflakes
    
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    February 7, 2019 6:14pm
Keeping Stock

SWMBO and myself had a wonderful time at Government House yesterday. There was a huge turnout, Dame Patsy gave an excellent speech, and the catering exceeded expectations. I bumped into a few MP’s, caught up with a bloke I haven’t seen for 30 years, and met a fellow opponent of the current government with whom I have engaged on social media since 2008, and last night we dined with a friend at the Green Parrot.

All in all, a very enjoyable and memorable day, and the GG’s choice of Garage Project beer was first class.
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February 7, 2019 12:12pm
- oob
  
  How was the carrot cake?
  
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  February 7, 2019 12:20pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Very good. So was the salmon, the bbq beef, the strawberries and the scones. I did however pass on the vegetarian sausage rolls 😀
    
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    February 7, 2019 12:22pm
- secondcumming
  
  As my father in-law is often heard to say when we’re all tucking into the
  *Crayfish 3 ways* at Sid’s French Cafe….
  
  “I wonder what the poor people are eating”
  
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  February 7, 2019 1:51pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12201613

“It looked like an atom bomb going off.”

Fire is a serious matter, but these kinds of comment are ridiculous. The people saying them or hearing them have never seen any bomb, let alone an atom bomb, go off.
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February 7, 2019 12:22pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Sure it wasnot manufactured news? Like did a slackarse reporter ask ‘did it look like an atomic bomb?’ ‘yes’ so they reported that?
  
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  February 7, 2019 6:18pm
cas

On today’s lunchtime news on RNZ a report said Sarah Dowie refused to answer questions about JLR etc. Isn’t it interesting what different words convey? Why didn’t they say declined? She sounded polite but not talking because of police investigation. That’s hardly “refused”.
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February 7, 2019 12:24pm
- Swifty
  
  They use ‘refused’ when they’re looking to score points with listeners.
  
  I notice that with Labour MPs, it’s ‘they were unavailable for comment’.
  
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  February 7, 2019 3:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    The headline on the Radio NZ web site is of similar tone: “Sarah Dowie says She Will Not Stand Down Despite Police Investigation.”
    
    Radio NZ is so Leftist and Maorified it’s beyond salvage – unless the Government forced it to reflect the country by making it depend on advertising.
    
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    February 7, 2019 3:50pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Is there a faint possibility that we could ever get a free and independent press?
    
    Asking for a friend….
    
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    February 7, 2019 7:18pm
graham

*sigh* …

More evidence (if any were needed) that the media are completely lacking in self-awareness.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/110417621/hero-joshua-trump-sleeps-through-donald-trumps-state-of-the-union

Joshua Trump, the 11-year-old boy who has been bullied for his surname, was invited to the State of the Union address, fell asleep during the speech.

Cue the media – you know, the media who constantly exhort us to be nice, be green, stop using plastic bags, save the planet, fill their pages with hashtags METOO and TIMESUP, and also rail AGAINST BULLYING – to pick this up and gleefully fill their pages with photos of Joshua asleep. Photos which have a big circle around his face to draw your attention.

And I’m sure this won’t cause the poor boy to be bullied even more …

Glad to see in the comments on Stuff that people are pointing this out.
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February 7, 2019 12:30pm
- Inandout
  
  graham, the media trawl through every video frame looking for anti Trump things to broadcast. They are fuckwits.
  
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  February 7, 2019 1:36pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    You are too nice. The media are fake news, raving lunatic arseholes with NO moral compass.
    No matter what we do, no matter what we say, we just can not change the polls
    
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    February 7, 2019 6:22pm
- MCos
  
  I read that story elsewhere in a bit more detail.
  The kid’s parents have retained their own surnames, Berto & Trump, and for whatever reason have burdened the poor child with the latter.
  Of course they can do what they like in these matters, but surely they must have realized that at some point the child was going to get bullied.
  
  And now the poor bugger had to put up with listening to a lengthy political speech he wouldn’t have understood.
  
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  February 7, 2019 2:30pm
  - Jules99
    
    Mind you, they may well have thought, having the same surname as the President could be good for his career in future years.
    
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    February 7, 2019 2:45pm
  - Tall Man
    
    FFS, he’s 11 so was named years before the arrival of Donald Trump.
    
    Hardly their fault or anyone’s that Donald Trump was elected Prseident and was going to be the target of the loser fuckwits of the world..including yourself.
    
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    February 7, 2019 7:11pm
- stephieboy
  
  Deed poll name to Stormy Daniels in order?
  
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  February 7, 2019 2:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    What does it mean when a girl wants to be a boy so calls herself stephieboy?
    
    Come on, let it all out, we’re family here it’s just that you’re the idiot in the family.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is a bit mixed up
    
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    February 7, 2019 7:15pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    You do know that isn’t the tart’s real name, eh?
    I wonder why she doesn’t use her real name Stephanie Clifford,
    or her other fake name Stormy Waters.
    So many names for such a fine young lady…
    But it’s ok when girls with big tits do it
    Oh hang on, even they’re fake.
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:12pm
bouden

Earlier discussions referenced Muriel Newman’s article regarding the Treaty of Waitangi and foreshadowed the consequences of where the continual ‘reinterpretation’ will likely take NZ. In that article and elsewhere a Zimbabwe-like result is mentioned as a distinct possibility. I think it is worthwhile spending a few minutes reading the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Zimbabwe .
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February 7, 2019 12:49pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Zimbabwe is not a possibility. Maori are a small and rapidly interbreeding minority.
  
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  February 7, 2019 1:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    UN, rather like you,
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqoIDNovBig
    
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    February 7, 2019 2:35pm
    - pentwig
      
      stoopidthing
      i cannot understand the relationship between your video and UN’s comment
      can you explain it?
      
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      February 7, 2019 2:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      FFS, take some english lessons, you are a moron and it is so annoying trying to decipher your gibberish…what am I saying, who cares what you say.
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is dumb, will always be dumb and supports a bare faced habitual liar.
      
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      February 7, 2019 6:38pm
Maggie Pie

“light my fire, light my fire”

The PM has just announced a donation of $20,000 to the Nelson Mayoral Fund!

Where’s the Jones Boy when you need him?
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February 7, 2019 1:13pm
- cmm
  
  A donation?
  
  From her own pocket?
  
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  February 7, 2019 1:21pm
- Inandout
  
  Miserable bitch. $20k wouldn’t even pay for the Waitangi KFC bill.
  
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  February 7, 2019 1:37pm
  - sooty
    
    How come she can’t cook any eggs?
    
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    February 7, 2019 1:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW etc,
  
  Deep breaths are very useful with shallow people.”
  
  ― Jeffrey Fry
  
  And who is paying for this?
  
  https://www.facebook.com/Stuff.co.nz/videos/300711843969849/
  
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  February 7, 2019 2:44pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Why are you telling us how you breathe? The only thing that would interest us is when you stop,
    
    steffy is a girl
    
    supporting
    
    ardern the liar
    
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    February 7, 2019 6:34pm
Longknives

$20,000??
Is that for fucking real?
Yesterday she was firing off $100 million dollar cheques to assorted Maori Activists!
And Nelson get $20,000?

Seriously- Is this because Nelson vote Blue??
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February 7, 2019 2:06pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Think Damien O’Connor is the MP for Tasman (where the fire is ). He has an electorate office in Motueka.
  
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  February 7, 2019 2:42pm
  - stigie
    
    Yeah, but chances it may turn blue at the next election are highly on the cards !~
    
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    February 7, 2019 2:51pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      Lot of hippies, dope growers/smokers and beneficiaries in Motueka and surrounds………
      
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      February 7, 2019 3:01pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I have heard from many sources that he is a great guy and an excellent electorate MP.
      
      Perhaps he may see the light and leave ardern the liar for Simon Bridges, an honest and hard working leader, not a vacuous media whore like ardern the liar.
      
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      February 7, 2019 6:32pm
- Westie Bob
  
  The NZ Government gave $500,000 for the 2009 Victorian bush fires in 2009 as well as sending 53 firefighters on the Defence Forces Boeing 757. Makes the $20,000 for Nelson seem pathetic.
  
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  February 7, 2019 3:22pm
  - MH
    
    manus Isld volunteers?
    
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    February 7, 2019 5:16pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    So the 757 was basically empty passenger wise?
    Oh, I forgot, you mentioned Govt. So some State Sector employees and their families?
    
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    February 7, 2019 6:31pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Ardern probably spends that much a week on lawnmowers
    
    20,000 is really a joke!
    
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    February 7, 2019 6:35pm
Hugh Pavletich

… New Zealand is not immune …

AUSTRALIA: Chinese property outflows won’t be helped by this – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/chinese-property-outflows-wont-helped/

Via The Australian:

Billionaire property developer and political party donor Huang Xiangmo is not only stranded in Beijing, suspected by many of being a Chinese Communist Party influence agent, but he is also facing major problems across his diverse portfolio of Australian real estate assets.

Mr Huang, now an adviser to his Yuhu Group, which is owned by his wife Jiefang and his son Jiquan (known as Jimmy), has just 13 days to come up with another $10 million to postpone the completion date on a major Sydney real estate deal or face the prospect of paying for the $380m property development, the Bakehouse Quarter, in full.

On a much larger scale, Yuhu Australia Group, which installed Mr Jiquan as chief executive less than two months ago, is yet to appoint builders for its $3 billion-plus One Circular Quay development even though demolition of what was the Goldfields House has been completed and early works are continuing.

Every Chinese property executive must now be having a few second thoughts about their bolt hole Downunder. It won’t help this: … read more via hyperlink above …
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Cities where property price falls will hit hardest in 2019 … News com au

https://www.news.com.au/finance/cities-where-property-price-falls-will-hit-hardest-in-2019/news-story/b49c496cba09179e17f754e300b1e342

Australia begins 2019 with a property market in absolute disarray — and things are about to get much worse. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Essential viewing …

ABC 60 Minutes – Australian Apartments Update … incl Opal Tower

https://vimeo.com/315073090/7018adc9e5
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February 7, 2019 2:11pm
- starboard
  
  “NURSE”
  
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  February 7, 2019 2:25pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Sorry starboard, but you know the district nurse doesn’t do her pensioner flat medication round till Friday. You should have enough pills till then, surely.
    And don’t forget you need to get out of bed and start getting dressed. The Thursday roast special closes off at the Woolston Cluub at 5.00 pm sharp for the mobility scooter crowd.
    
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    February 7, 2019 2:50pm
    - stigie
      
      You still pissed off that starboard is still scuffing your mother Milky, you really need to take hold of yourself ole chap because she is probably having a damn good time !~
      Being her son and all, you wouldn’t want to take that away from her would you..?
      
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      February 7, 2019 2:57pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        My mother is deceased. Thanks for asking though.
        
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        February 7, 2019 3:03pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Not sure that would stop Starboard tbh, seems like an “any holes a goal” kinda guy.
        
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        February 7, 2019 3:17pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        CHINA: Workers’ Activism Rises as China’s Economy Slows. Xi Aims to Rein Them In. – The New York Times
        
        https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/world/asia/china-workers-protests.html
        
        BEIJING — Factory workers across China are staging sit-ins demanding unpaid wages for “blood and sweat.” Taxi drivers are surrounding government offices to call for better treatment. Construction workers are threatening to jump from buildings if they don’t get paid.
        
        With economic growth in China weakening to its slowest pace in nearly three decades, thousands of Chinese workers are holding small-scale protests and strikes to fight efforts by businesses to withhold compensation and cut hours. The authorities have responded with a sustained campaign to rein in the protests, and most recently detained several prominent activists in the southern city of Shenzhen late last month.
        
        Such protests are a glaring example of the challenges the sharp economic slowdown poses to China’s top leader, Xi Jinping, who has aggressively promoted the “Chinese dream,” his signature vision of greater wealth and a fairer society. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        China steps up efforts to close failed zombie companies by 2020, but faces harsh economic reality | South China Morning Post
        
        https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2185186/china-steps-efforts-close-failed-zombie-companies-2020-faces
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        China’s hopes of becoming the world’s largest economy are hitting a major roadblock | Markets Insider
        
        https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/chinas-hope-to-become-worlds-largest-economy-hitting-major-roadblock-2019-2-1027931209
        
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        February 7, 2019 6:06pm
      - starboard
        
        She sure does go off ( excuse the pun ) as a corpse mikey.
        
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        February 8, 2019 12:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      Pretty sure starboard’s life in Thailand doesn’t involve a district nurse and with open pharmacies he can get whatever meds he or his “physicians” determine he requires.
      
      Food wise I’m also quietly confident he will scrape by without a scooter.
      
      Jst because your future is as you incorrectly attributed to starboard do not assume that the rest of us are as fiscally useless as yourself.
      
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      February 7, 2019 6:27pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The ABC 60 Minit report is a real worry Mr Paveletich! Particularly where it shows those poor Chinese Students jumping to their death from the window of a defective apartment building in Melbourne. There must be a lot of very very worried people here in Aucland who have bought apartments off the plans and now see what has happened over the ditch. Goodness, I wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
  
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  February 7, 2019 3:35pm
MH

yes but assimilation would be a better outcome, finally an Indian/paki in the blacksticks, back to hockeys beginning in NZ when they were world top guns. They keep to themselves and have their own league, more’s the pity. I just can’t fathom how the Irish,Scots, Welsh and Englanders get along.
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February 7, 2019 4:23pm
Viking2

KS is gunna be pissed.

While he was in town sup[ping on our wine and crayfish Leech Galloway went visiting Wanganui with a little surprise.

Whanganui is set to start welcoming more than 100 refugees each year as new residents of the city.

Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway was in Whanganui on Thursday to announce the city would be one of five new refugee settlement locations around New Zealand.

Last year New Zealand’s refugee quota was increased from 750 annually to 1000 and this will increase to 1500 in 2020.

Lees-Galloway said Whanganui was “growing from strength to strength” and refugee resettlement would help support such growth.

“We all know the primary reason for welcoming refugees is humanitarian but the research shows that there are economic and social benefits to accepting refugees as well,” he said.

Lees-Galloway told the Chronicle refugees would start to be introduced to Whanganui in March 2020 and would scale up to 3-5 families every six-eight weeks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/immigration/news/article.cfm?c_id=231&objectid=12201699

Ken Mair & Turiana will be pleased. wonder if there will be any American servicemen among the refugees?

Green Party immigration spokesperson Golriz Ghahraman says refugees will remember the day they arrive in Whanganui forever. We can imagine
the poor sods will wonder what part of the world they have been sent. Be like going home.

“We’re a small intimate community where we take care of each other. We are not a xenophobic community in any way,” he said. Quiet reminder of a previous emmigrant. Name of Laws. Not xenophobic? 😆 😆 😆
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February 7, 2019 5:46pm
- nasska
  
  …..”refugees will remember the day they arrive in Whanganui forever”…..
  
  Fortunately Keeping Stock is a Godbotherer & as he knows his way around the dump he may be able to find a disused church that the new arrivals can use as a mosque. 🙂
  
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  February 7, 2019 6:58pm
  - Johnboy
    
    If only I could find that fukin Whanganui place nasska. I take it that is a tad northwest of the Remutaka hill wherever the fuck that is! 🙂
    
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    February 7, 2019 7:34pm
    - nasska
      
      Ever since they added the superfluous “H” I’ve been unable to find it on any of my maps either JB.
      
      Do you think it may have disappeared or have the miserable residents camouflaged the dump to save themselves from further embarrassment? 🙂
      
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      February 7, 2019 7:44pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Perhaps we should ask Kheeping Shtock nhasska After all he is “Mister Fhanganui” as far as we are concerned! 🙂
        By the way old chhap since your rhecent rhetirement to the bhig city of Mhasterton how are yhou fhitting into the lhocal chulture old chhap? 🙂
        
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        February 7, 2019 7:56pm
      - nasska
        
        A culturally sensitive person such as myself would hesitate to dwell in Masterton JB. Instead we are now considered to be Whakaoriorians.
        
        Just in case, however, I’m heading up to the Far North for the rest of the year. I won’t be far from Ahipara so I might get the chance for a bit of korero with Hone. 🙂
        
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        February 7, 2019 8:03pm
      - Johnboy
        
        As long as you refuse to watch videos with Shane your arhse should be safe nasska! 🙂
        
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        February 7, 2019 8:10pm
- kevn
  
  @Viking… Wanganui will be joined by Masterton, Levin, Blenheim and Timaru.
  What housing shortage?
  Will there be any South African farmers included?
  
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  February 7, 2019 8:00pm
Viking2

Looks like Jones has sat on Goff and Twyford and their light rail, Can only be good.

A bit hypocritical of course but that’s ok in this instance.

Auckland Mayor Phil Goff should sort out a $500 million to $1 billion funding shortfall for Auckland’s Central Rail Link (CRL) before worrying about running trams down Dominion Road, according to Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones.

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/98016/infrastructure-minister-shane-jones-says-auckland-mayor-phil-goff-should-find-money

A business case for the Auckland light rail project remains a work in progress. Transport Minister Phil Twyford has estimated the light rail project will cost about $6 billion, making it the biggest transport project in New Zealand history
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February 7, 2019 6:44pm
Jack5

The Great NZ First con …. Bring ’em in Winnie!

Immigration NZ has stood by its decision to kick out of the country a Ukrainian family, at the same time as Minister of Immigration Lees-Galloway announces a new immigration strategy that will see refugees settled in W(h)anganui, Timaru, Blenheim, Masterton and Levin.

Last Friday, Lees-Galloway was talking up the online facility which makes it easier for foreigners to apply for visas. He described as a milestone, the number of foreigners applying online for student, work, and visitor visas.

His comment then included :

“Thanks to Immigration ONLINE, over 85 per cent of all visa types can be made digitally, with most online applications coming from China and India.”

A week before Christmas, Lees-Galloway announced changes to make it easier for regions to import foreign workers.

Judas Peters must have given Labour and the Greens the kiss to go ahead with their move to make NZ more accessible to low-price labour.

And it’s 20 months to the next election …
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February 7, 2019 7:10pm
- starboard
  
  Sleaze Galloway is pure scum.
  
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  February 8, 2019 12:32am
lifesgood

You’ve got to laugh. I was reading a thread on Facebook about the disastrous kiwi build programme. It refered to an article in the Listener. All these “special” lefties were saying they don’t buy the listener because it is too right wing. Did you ever hear anything so ridiculous? I venture to suggest they don’t buy it because it is too high brow for them. If they knew how left wing it was they might buy it.
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February 7, 2019 7:28pm
- Viking2
  
  To broke to buy it.
  
  mind you I wouldn’t either.
  
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  February 7, 2019 7:51pm
Johnboy

Of course, being a sensible sort of man, I’ve never taken much interest in all this jigaboo shit. Mount Egmont is still the same as it always was. Just like Somes and Ward Islands.
Funnily enough Mount Cook still looks re markedly the same as it always has since the avalanche.
I’m planning a trip to Stewart Island but it seems to have changed its name recently. I’m almost certain it will still be the same shape and the pakeha maps will still apply! 🙂
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February 7, 2019 7:45pm
- nasska
  
  Just in case you trample on any native sensitivities JB I thought I’d better bone you up on the authentic history of Stewart Island:
  
  …..”Its original Maori name of Te Punga o Te Waka a Maui positions Stewart Island firmly at the heart of Maori mythology. Translated as “The Anchor Stone of Maui’s Canoe”, this refers to the part played by this island in the legend of Maui and his crew who, from their canoe (the South Island), caught and raised the great fish, the North Island. However, the more commonly used name is Rakiura. Translated as “The great and deep blushing of Te Rakitamau”, an early Maori chief, it is seen today as the glowing sunrises, sunsets and the aurora australis or Southern Lights.”…..
  
  https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Stewart_Island
  
  You are now culturally safe! 🙂
  
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  February 7, 2019 7:56pm
  - Johnboy
    
    The one thing I have always prided myself on nasska is whatever the culture whatever the bullshit that it produces I couldn’t actually give a shit mate.
    I shall be raping the fish, raping the oysters, raping the scallops and with a tad of luck raping the Whitetails as well! God nothing feels quite as good as a bit serious raping….No wonder Genghis Khan always had a happy smile on his portraits! 🙂
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:04pm
  - stigie
    
    “You are now culturally safe!”
    
    Just after being recalibrated of course !~
    
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    February 7, 2019 8:05pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I’m quite keen on that idea stigie. 8 inches re calibrated to 20 cm should bring in many more applications from the KB ladies hopefully! 🙂
      
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      February 7, 2019 8:17pm
      - sooty
        
        Watch it.Stephie will be lurking!
        
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        February 7, 2019 9:11pm
kevn

@Viking… I hope there will be some South African farmers in the mix. They would be real keen to get cracking/working. Silly me, probably none.
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February 7, 2019 7:51pm
Tauhei Notts

Friday night drinks at my Club. Chatting with a couple of solo mothers. One of them had used the delightful euphemism;
“I’m going for a job interview”
Apparently that is a euphemism for I am going on a first date with somebody I met on Tinder. Her boss was alarmed to hear that a valued employee was going on a job interview, but once she was acquainted with the new terminology, she was very helpful with friendly advice to the young woman.
Anyway, this is a political blog so I was enthralled to hear their objections to Jacinda. Jacinda had yesterday promised the Maori $100,000,000. Today she offered the victims of the dreadful Nelson District fires $20,000. When I explained to them, and I did it slowly, that five times $20,000 is $100,000 and that ten times $100,000 is $1,000,000 and 100 times $1mil is $100mil. So; 5 times 10 times 100 is 5000. That is, she had offered the Maori 5000 times more than she had offered the victims of the Nelson fires.
This set them off. These young women are a crucial part of Jacinda’s constituency. They have just found out what matters to Jacinda. They are ropeable.
Would somebody here, who has the ear of Jacinda, please carefully advise her that she must not, in any way whatsoever, defaecate upon her primary constituency. There is no future in that sort of behaviour.
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February 7, 2019 8:44pm
- sooty
  
  I hate to tell you this but it’s only thursday today!
  You will have go again tomorrow, which is friday!
  Enjoy yourself, you have earned it!
  
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  February 7, 2019 9:09pm
- Prince
  
  $20K is an insult. Jones’ BBQ alone cost 5 times that.
  
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  February 7, 2019 10:47pm
nasska

Jacinda’s going to want me on her PR team. I’ve came up with a plan to solve world poverty & world hunger in one simple step.

Feed the poor to the hungry.
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February 7, 2019 9:06pm
nasska

Poverdy in NZ 2019:

“Would you like some social welfare?”

“Does that mean I can sleep around, bring bastards from multiple fathers into the world & you will give me a house & some money for fags, booze & tattoos?”

“Yes it does.”

“Great I’ll have some then. When can I have it?”

“Just give us two weeks to process all of the details & set everything up for with no effort whatsoever from you and the money will come rolling in forever & a day so that you can continue with your feckless existence with no inconvenience whatsoever.”

“You what? Two fucking weeks! I’m meant to be going on a girls’ weekend to Hamilton next week. This is a fucking disgrace you Labour bastards. Shove your vote up your arse.”
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February 7, 2019 9:13pm
Jack5

Pocahontas – Senator Elizabeth Warren – finds her false claims to be an American Indian won’t go away.

The Washington Post reports that when she was a law professor in Texas, she wrote on a a registration form from the state bar, that her race was “American Indian”.

The newspaper reports:

“The matter now threatens to overshadow the image Warren has sought to foster of a truth-telling consumer advocate who would campaign for the White House as a champion for the working class. Instead, she is now seeking to combat the portrait of someone who for years was insufficiently sensitive to a long-oppressed minority. The matter also is arising at a time when issues of racial and cultural identity are increasingly sensitive in the Democratic Party.”

It’s fashionable in the United States to be an American Indian. Watch the You Tube videos of people opening their DNA reports from genealogy sites like Ancestry. Often when African Americans open their reports they are disappointed to find no Indian link.
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February 7, 2019 11:58pm
softail 1450

LOL, the french communist newspaper
“L humanite” has gone into receivership owing millions of euros,
We should let them know they could successfully move down to NZ and set up shop in Wellington, walking bird may even pay the costs of relocation.
Or Tosser Jones might make a donation so they could set up in the far North.
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February 8, 2019 3:36am
Monique Watson

Turns out Kiwi property investors are not driving the house rice inflation

https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/35934?ref=nzhhome

The Reserve bank is so out of touch. It appears we’ve got plebs in charge of the Government, Pharmac and the Reserve Bank. Keeping my eye out for more roach infested Government agencies.
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