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February 5, 2019 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 5 February 2019

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Yvette

Shane Jones has strongly defended giving Māori landowners $100 million from the Government’s Provincial Growth Fund.
“Why should the Callaghan institute and others fund the guy in Mahia Peninsula firing rockets into the sky, but you’re complaining about Māori landowners?

Perhaps because the Mahia people are rocket scientists and, as we have been told so often – Maori landowners are not.

Despite this, there was a dearth of Māori-targeted funding in the last Budget – likely thanks to NZ First leader Winston Peters, who has called Māori-targeted funding “creeping apartheid” in the past. Instead, the Government said universal boosts to schemes such as Working For Families would actually benefit Māori more.

But Jackson signalled an end to this stance in the next Budget and the return of money specifically aimed at Māori, pointing out on Sunday that $100m of NZ First’s own PGF was allocated to Māori land development.

So Kiwibuild targets are now “non-targets”, while Maori policies will be targeted again.
Is roading and infra-structure be next to fall out of orbit?
Twyford is the Labour rocket-scientist handling those too.
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February 5, 2019 8:01am
- cmm
  
  Jonesy. Good point comparing Maori land owners to Callaghan troughers. Both suck the taxpayer tit and we should be careful how we tilt the playing field by taxing other productive members of society to give them handouts.
  
  I guess that means you expect the Maori land owners will be subject to the same scrutiny that Callaghan troughers are: business plans, having to show how they spent the money wisely and demonstrate results otherwise their funding gets cut off.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:19am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yeah, Nah.
    We all know that $100m for Maori land will disappear into the same black hole all other handouts disappear into. No accountability, don’t ask, don’t tell. ?
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:33am
    - Happychappy
      
      It never gets to the bottom where people need it the most like has always been the case even with the payouts from Treaty negotiations.
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:03am
      - Woz
        
        You’d think – all those hundreds of millions of dollars, billions even, might have gone some way to helping the tangata whenua lift their own kids out of poverdy. But no, the same old crap goes on. And on. And on.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:25am
      - sooty
        
        It gets siphoned off by the leaders. So there is nothing left after flash cars, boats and agood time at 5 stars expense!
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:23am
      - Komata
        
        Happy
        
        The rationale goes something like this:
        
        ‘If we (iwi) pay out all we have received to our members, then inevitably some will save it, some will spend it, with the latter being no better off afterwards and still dependent on the state.
        Better that we (the iwi ‘leaders’) invest it in infrastructure so that whn ‘the iwi’ needs large amounts of money for (say) a new Marae, the money is instantly available.
        
        There will be no disadvantage to our members as a result of all this, as the Government will continue to take care of those who are ‘unable’ to take care of themselves. The treaty ensures that.
        
        We (the iwi ‘leaders’) do, of course, need to be recompensed for all our hard work on behalf of the iwi, and so it’s only right and proper that we should use a little of what has been earned ourselves,since after all, if we weren’t ‘knowledgeable’ in such matters, the iwi would be far worse off’.
        
        That at least was how it was put to me several years ago, and such is the tribal mentality that very, very few challenge the status quo, and should they do so, ‘retribution’ tends to follow…
        
        In such societies ‘Leaders’ tend to know best and woe betide you if you say otherwise.
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:56am
    - s.russell
      
      Mostly, not all. Not all iwi are equal in this regard.
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:54am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        Has anyone seen an independent audit of where the ToW settlement funds have gone. I haven’t and I doubt there is one.
        Having worked in the NFP sector and received funds from Government agencies I was required to account for every dollar and cent and that it had been spent as allocated. I was audited.
        
        And so it should be. As a Taxpayer I expect my taxes to be spent and audited as to the expenditure.
        
        No Taxation without Explanation.
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:37am
    - Rich Prick
      
      I wonder how much of the $100m the Harawira’s will be getting?
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:55am
      - Nickc2
        
        Like all gifts to Maori, it wont be audited!
        
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        February 5, 2019 8:58pm
  - Yvette
    
    And Cmm, we trust both parties will pay equally the new Winston / Ardern Capital Gains Tax on their profits and capital development
    – won’t they?
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:44am
  - Colville
    
    The BMW dealers will do well out of the $100 Mil
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:00am
  - Dave Mann
    
    The major problem with Maori land is that it owned by groups of people rather than individuals and therefore it’s really difficult to develop and even harder to raise finance on for any development.
    
    Even when a block has been ‘released’ for some sort of ‘open market’ ownership, there is a built-in throttling effect. I was speaking to a Maori recently about some land up north which was up for sale… but the catch is that by law (I can’t cite the exact details sorry) the land could only be sold to someone who could prove some arcane ‘whanau’ connection to it going back x generations. Under the evil colonial capitalist system that land might be worth $2 million, but under this stupid system it is worth maybe $2. If legally this block can only be bought by maybe 20 people then how can it have any value at all?
    
    I heard the Corrupt Masturbator on radio yesterday talking to Ryan Bridge about his plans to give $100 million to his bros and he actually blamed the ‘Australian owned banks’ for not lending to tribal landowners! He said that the owners (quote) “don’t understand capitalism” (unquote). Then he went on to say that in many cases, because of lack of finance (he didn’t mention disorganisation and laziness) often the land lies disused and (quote) “it doesn’t even pay rates” (unquote)… as if the land itself is responsible for paying rates rather than the owners! This is the level of thinking. It beggars belief.
    
    What are the chances of an overhaul of this medieval tribal land ownership system? Zilch, I would say. It would be so racist to free up these millions of hectares for development and, even worse, it would adversely effect the tree spirits who dwell in the sacred koori.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:23am
    - Komata
      
      Dave Mann
      
      To a point you are correct, but are you aware of the Maori Land Incorporation Scheme’ which Ngata invented to get around exactly the situation you describe?
      
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      February 5, 2019 11:02am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Thanks komata, I wasn’t aware of this. I’ll look it up. Cheers
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:37am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Spot on – restricting who property can be sold to may be good for the buyer, if he’s in the favoured class, but it’s a cost on the seller and prevents resources from reaching the hands of those best able to make good use of them.
      
      Let’s talk about the foreign buyer ban, shall we?
      
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      February 5, 2019 11:42am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Hows the referendum on Maori seats going Winnie? Too busy getting net migration down to 10,000 are you?
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:20am
- Peter S
  
  Shane Jones, poster boy for the practice of Nephpotism.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:23am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Nephotism
    
    Word of the week.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:54am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Maggy, I may need to recalibrate the delivery of that after I’ve had a conversation with someone.
      
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      February 5, 2019 10:51am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      A noun. Favoritism shown or patronage granted to nephews, as in business.
      
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      February 5, 2019 11:47am
      - Peter S
        
        As in the cannabis business if being really specific. 😉
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:58am
    - Peter S
      
      My spelling of the word takes on an extra shade of meaning in the very likely event that Shane’s largess towards his delinquent relatives is used for either the purchase or growth of cannabis.
      
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      February 5, 2019 11:57am
- Niz
  
  “Winston Peters, who has called Māori-targeted funding “creeping apartheid” in the past”
  How come Winston can say stuff like this, but when Don Brash says pretty much the same thing he’s branded a racist, deplatformed, gets shit flung at him, etc.
  Is it because DB has fairer skin?
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:31am
  - igm
    
    Don Brash is a very talented and capable success story . . . Winston is a posing piggybacking freeloader who in life, has achieved nothing of significance.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:45am
    - Happychappy
      
      If Don Brash was really that talented why did he throw all that money at Winston’s Election Campaign only to be double crossed by the Messiah over Maori issues.
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:07am
    - Prince
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Don Brash is a silly old fool trying to stay relevant and relive his glory days 15 years ago.
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:18am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Unfortunately I only have one downtick at my disposal. Please accept these virtual downticks in lieu ❌❌❌❌❌❌❌
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:28am
- Justitia
  
  Shameless Shane and cronies feast on crays at your expense while child poverdy stalks the land:
  https://www.facebook.com/sevensharp/videos/414407409320706/?t=1
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:56am
  - Prince
    
    The corrupt COL feast on taxpayer funds while shedding crocodile tears about the ‘needy’. Worst of all, according to Mummy ‘Hills’, Nat MPs joined in.
    A lost opportunity to distance themselves from these manipulative bludgers.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:24am
  - tf78
    
    He really is a pig at a trough.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:25am
    - igm
      
      Wonder if he still wastes taxpayers’ monies on porn movies?
      
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      February 5, 2019 10:09am
  - Nickc2
    
    Soon they will be feasting on more than crays. There is a buzz going around the treaty grounds that Ngapui (or someone associated with them) have discovered large amounts of oil and gas somewhere in the Far North. Apparently, it has been known to a few Ngapui for a number of years but they have been awaiting a government handout in order to finance the creation of a deal with an offshore monopoly. Seems the handout has just arrived. I’m amazed that the MSM haven’t reported this earlier.
    
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    February 5, 2019 10:46am
- Harkman
  
  Isn’t it funny how brain-dead journalists call dirty, filthy, racist corruption ‘investment?’ I heard Peter Williams ask yesterday about why the banks weren’t lending to these northern groups in the first place. The question said it all.
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:28am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Are these the same people who can’t figure out who speaks for them at Treaty negotiations?
    Who would have authority to sign the loan documents?
    The banks are wise to steer well clear.
    
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    February 5, 2019 11:03am
Longknives

Can anyone find a link to Ardern being ‘Pop Quizzed’ on the Treaty of Waitangi yesterday?
Willie Jackson mumbling the answer behind her was amusing enough but the look of horror on the Messiah’s face when questioned was absolutely fucking priceless!
The woman is such a lying fraud…
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February 5, 2019 8:03am
- Surely Knott
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/pm-jacinda-ardern-stumbles-when-asked-to-recite-treaty-of-waitangi-articles.html
  
  Didn’t know article one, or article two, but knows the general vibe. Sort of like GDP.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:06am
  - The Heat
    
    No doubt they’ll be they’ll be rolling out a new measure – Feelz GDP. Sadly, this may turn out to be reality rather than a joke.
    
    What’s interesting is that some elements of the press have finally figured out that she does not have what the role demands.Has the turnaround started?
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:13am
  - G152
    
    Its a wonder she didn’t ask if he wanted chips with that….
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:14am
    - igm
      
      Words from the mouth of NZ’s unelected PM: quoda, qualidy, negotiading, thinkink, more better . . . she is an embarrassing brainless liar, only capable organising residency for drug dealers, thieves, woman bashers, bludgers, and vile bogus refugees.
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:16am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        PM Select CV shows she can deal with pressure though. Morrinsville 6pm Friday nights sometimes the queues were out the door of the shop
        
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        February 5, 2019 8:27am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        My personal favourite is fustraiding.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:22am
  - Simon
    
    Ardern on ToW. Not sure really but lets do this.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:16am
  - niggly
    
    ZB’s Barry Soper had a much clearer version (compared to Newshub’s) and one can clearly hear Willie Jackson giving Jacinda the answers, which is truly pathetic (the both of them).
    
    Especially when Jacinda tries to spin some deflection lines in relation to the second question, but soon as Willie prompts her she repeats his answer instantly, breaking the flow of her spin! Not good enough!
    
    Starts about 2’50”:
    http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/ZB/auckland/2019.02.04-16.45.00-D.mp3
    
    NB: ZB usually remove their audio links after a week.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:42am
  - Justitia
    
    James Shaw, whose party pushes Maori “co-governance” at every turn, was also interviewed. He said he wasn’t familiar with the Treaty’s articles!
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:50am
    - igm
      
      Who really cares, the ToW should be thrown into a incinerator and forgotten. Why can’t Maori stand on their own two feet and keep their hands out of everyone who works/operates businesses pockets . . . this B/s has been going too long.
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:55am
      - s.russell
        
        The Treaty promises Maori will have the same citizenship rights and duties as Pakeha.
        I have no problems with this.
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:02am
      - sooty
        
        Be ok if they would pay their tax and keep out of court!
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:27am
    - niggly
      
      Jeez, if the Greens don’t understand the TOW Articles, then why on earth are they pushing for the undefined “Principles of the TOW” to be followed and adhered to by everyone???
      
      Anyhoo expect Marama Davidson to give James Shaw a smack down for failing to understand basic tikanga maori!
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:58am
      - Justitia
        
        The Greens are exposed for the Communist fraudsters they are. They use the ToW as bait for dupes.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:09am
- waikatogirl
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:06am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Absolude-ly she’s a complete poseur and a fake
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:07am
- oldgolfer
  
  The fickle media have turned.
  It took a while.
  Suzie Ferguson stuck the knife in on RNZ this morning, and 3 News taking the piss out of govt’s extra 54 jobs at $494,000 apiece.
  Might be fun at Waitangi, too.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:08am
  - Longknives
    
    I also wonder if some of our Media have turned on their once beloved ‘People’s Princess’?
    There is no way in hell that anyone would have dared put her on the spot like that six months ago…
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:10am
    - KevOB
      
      Are they sensing they can make news by assisting her fall. The wounded always attract newshounds.
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:25am
    - kowtow
      
      On her very first day on the campaign trail after Little was rolled , she was asked about the Reserve Bank interest rate decision that day , and she was like a possum in headlights .
      
      If I saw that the media did too , and gave her a pass. She went on to become the Annointed One.
      
      Literally from Day 1 she has been found wanting , but the Media have not played the Emperor’s Clothes role that is their “sacred” duty . ( Sacred , like all things Mawree)
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:37am
  - cmm
    
    The media will be forgiving as long as they can.
    
    However once they start feeling embarrassed, they will stick in the knife.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:21am
    - RiP NZ
      
      The media put her there, have kept her there…..but will eventually be the ones that will take her down.
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:20am
  - mandk
    
    Don’t forget the 94 jobs in MBIE running the PGF at an average of probably around $100,000.
    
    Luvvly jubbly!
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:25am
    - Ross12
      
      94 running the fund !! You are joking aren’t you mandk?
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:42am
  - artemisia
    
    What happened to the 9000 jobs through the PGF? Slight difference between reality and hyperbole. Colour me surprised.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Suzie just asked a couple of obvious questions…
    
    How many more Maori in employment due to PGF funding…. Jacinda didn’t know, but she knew enough not to believe National’s figure of 54.
    
    Then Suzie asked how many Maori Children had been lifted out of poverty. Jacinda didn’t know because no one is collecting any decent information.
    
    If you had any doubts that our PM is an airhead, listen to the interview.
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018681113/jacinda-ardern-defends-govt-record-at-waitangi
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:31am
    - DigNap15
      
      That interview was funnier than my favorite Blackadder scene.
      Just listening to her fumble and giggle from 3 to 5 minutes is comedy gold.
      She has no grasp of the facts or the issues.
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:40am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Yes, all the strange giggling while repeating that she ‘hadn’t had a chance’ to look at the figures. No chance to look at the figures, when she *asked* to be held to account right now! I guess she really thought the job was going to be just giggling and selfies with loving admirers?
        
        Shane Jones just now was equally clueless, without the giggling.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:03am
      - cmm
        
        It would be funny if she didn’t have her hand in your wallet.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:15am
      - Harkman
        
        What scene was that I love Blackadder?
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:30am
    - Harkman
      
      Maggy, they only count poverty and homelessness when National is in power. Everything is fine now, thanks to pixie-dust. All the fears of those people writing books on poverty 2-3 years ago are sorted. All good.
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:35am
      - alloytoo
        
        “they only count poverty and homelessness when National is in power. ”
        
        Is this possibly because National can actually count?
        
        I mean Labour proved they couldn’t when it came to elect the speaker.
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:15am
    - jonno1
      
      So annoying to hear “data is” rather than “data are” for example. Communications degree? I don’t think so!
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:49am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You must wince every time you hear a
        Latin plural treated as singular in English. Jack5 will be along soon to tell you this is all quite okay. Although, come to think of it, I believe his particular outrage is only directed at people who refuse to treat Maori words as he thinks they should be used in English.
        Language, huh. Who knew that usage could change over time?
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:56am
      - Fletch
        
        I still get annoyed at people writing ‘program’ instead of ‘programme’ when appropriate. ‘Program’ used to mean, in my day, only a computer program. Everything else (eg, TV programme) had the extra ‘me’ on the end…
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:21am
      - Jack5
        
        You left off the macron, Milky. Hypocrite. ?
        
        Your morning question: how many plural versions are there of “octopus”?
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:36am
      - jonno1
        
        MM I do wince when an English speaker suddenly reverts to pidgin Maori for a single word, often a place name, in the middle of a sentence. Newsreaders are the worst offenders.
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:11am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        ‘Language changing over time’ now seems to include spelling ‘lose’ as ‘loose’. This is not just a one-off spelling mistake but a real trend in comments sections, and not just in NZ.
        
        But then, MM, how do I tell you your shoelaces are loose?
        
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        February 5, 2019 12:46pm
  - Paulus
    
    No, they will blame Don Brash today.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:34am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Hone’s nephew showing his lack of understanding in the spirit of TOW ‘partnership’ and willingness to listen to all voices has threatened to BBQ Don Brash. Visions of Don on a spit roast being turned slowly. ?
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:44am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Ah, but that is the chap taking on board today’s history teachers’ demands that all kids learn NZ Maori and colonial history!
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:05am
      - kowtow
        
        The Don would be less “long pork” and more streaky bacon.
        
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        February 5, 2019 12:32pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Her interview with Hosking on ZB was also a bit of a train wreck. Lots of ums and ahs; few solid answers.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:10am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    That was hilarious. In the 10 to 15 minutes Taxinda was on she failed to answer any question. Waffle waffle waffle fucking wholesale rubbish. What a waste of oxygen
    
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    February 5, 2019 10:14am
- kowtow
  
  Same thing happened to Shaw , he was also dumbfounded.
  
  The important thing isn’t that people can’t quote the treaty article and verse , the fact is that these are they very people who put such great store in it , being our “founding document” , our constitutional basis , our everything and yet …….. they can’t tell you what’s in it.
  
  Like I said , I don’t care they don’t know , cos the treaty’s actually not that important , it’s the hypocricy of the left that astounds me ( actually that’s not a surprise either , they’re liars and control freaks and only want to use TOW to fuck the rest of us over)
  
  Happy Maori Grievance Day ,in anticipation of the usual bullshit.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:10am
  - G152
    
    When you think that the TOW is a significant document look at its condition.
    Then look at the condition of, say, the Runnymede charter.
    Which would you say offhand has had the better treatment ???
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:17am
    - Colinxy
      
      Given how positive Treaty signatory, Hone Heke, thought of it in the 1840s, I fail why anyone else needs to give it any respect.
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:23am
  - wiseowl
    
    It’s important that the politicians understand the TOW .
    There is so much legislation that is now influenced (and shouldn’t be) by the document yet the politicians have no understanding of it.
    For a start if they take the time to read it they will find there is no ‘partnership’ mentioned in the text and no ‘principles’.
    The country is being held to ransom by this document and will continue to be so , until, maybe these elected and unelected representatives read the dam thing and re evaluate it’s extraordinary impact on our lives.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:33am
    - KH
      
      The treaty is simple. New Zealand became part of the British empire and Maori were rewarded by being made british subjects. Being a british subject was a great pize in those days.
      Great deal for Maori.
      Equality all round and the partnership thing just not in the deal.
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:42am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I’d rather say ‘equal rights’. ‘Equality’ to leftards means equal outcomes, whatever your input.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:21am
      - Jack5
        
        The first day of the Year of the Pig, and tomorrow’s all about pork.
        
        Maori could have ended in a South Pacific department of France, and today still be brown colonials, as the New Caledonian indigenous people are.
        
        Peoples, races, ethnicities, countries, have been on the move since well before the first civilisation. It’s evolution at work.
        
        The more warlike, the smarter, the more energetic, the more positive, or just the bigger, have always been taking over lands and subjugating, colonising, or absorbing other peoples and territories.
        
        That’s what’s what begun to happen in NZ now, with Chinese and Indians settling in numbers. It’s not that they’re stronger, it’s that we’re weaker in the sense of being too laid back, too trusting, too stupid, too lazy, and too egotistical to be aware of what’s happening.
        
        I just hope my great-great children don’t spend their time moaning about the second colonisation, rather than adjusting and competing.
        
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        February 5, 2019 3:42pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    As I alluded to Yesterday…
    It’s not the Articles of the Treaty that are the problem…
    
    It’s these new-fangled Principles of the TOW foisted on us by the 4th Labour Government.. that are now being shuffled around and recalibrated to suit certain folks’ purposes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_the_Treaty_of_Waitangi
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:37am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Perhaps you should vote for a party that will change or abandon those principles.
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:05am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Actually, Mike, yes. I would vote like a flash for such a party if it exists. Does anybody know of a party which would at least try to treat all New Zealand citizens equally?
        
        On wait… I found this:
        
        A belief in the equality of all New Zealanders and that all citizens, regardless of race, gender or religion, have equal rights and privileges.
        
        It’s on the on the front page of this site:
        
        https://www.newconservative.org.nz
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:02am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And perhaps we could just get clarification as to what exactly are the Principles of the T of W.
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:08am
  - graham
    
    Spot-on, kowtow
    
    The PM and other ministers obviously have very little idea of what is actually in the Treaty of Waitangi, yet Jacinda Ardern is quoted as saying, “Look, I know the principles of Waitangi, I know our obligations.”
    
    How can she POSSIBLY “know our obligations” to the Treaty if she can’t say what is actually in it?!
    
    Forgive me for not being convinced, Prime Minister. You seem to be running – as always – on feeelz.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      When I was at Training College in the 1990s.. it was all “Principles of the Tof W… but no-one provided a clear set of Principles that I was meant to adhere to/enforce in the classroom
      (That list I posted at 8:37 is probably the first I’ve seen)
      
      There would be fluff like this: Partnership, Protection, Participation
      https://www.schoolnews.co.nz/2016/11/te-tiriti-o-waitangi-living-the-values/
      
      or: “The Principle of the Tof W”
      http://nzcurriculum.tki.org.nz/Principles/Treaty-of-Waitangi
      
      The 4th Labour Govt had 5 Principles of the ToW.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_the_Treaty_of_Waitangi
      
      Sir Robin Cooke had 7 Principles of the ToW.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_the_Treaty_of_Waitangi
      
      Jacinda says she knows the Principles of the ToW…
      so is there 1 Principle (NZ Curriculum)
      or 3 Principles (NZ Education Dept)
      or 5 Principles (4th Labour Govt)
      or 7 Principles (Court of Appeal)?
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:17am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The 1989 Crown principles were a statement of government policy. The principles enunciated by the Court of Appeal in the 1987 Maori Council judgement about SOEs have had a more enduring effect, in that they are a statement of the law, and have not been overturned by any further judgement or legislation.
        The reference in curriculum material to a/i> ToW principle does not attempt to assert that there is only one principle in the treaty.
        It has become a commonplace to reduce explication of the contemporary meaning of the treaty to three core principles of partnership, protection and participation.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:35am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sorry, got the italics wrong in the last couple of sentences.
        The reference in curriculum material to a ToW principle does not attempt to assert that there is only one principle in the treaty.
        It has become a commonplace to reduce explication of the contemporary meaning of the treaty to three core principles of partnership, protection and participation.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:45am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Participation. That’s an interesting one.
        
        With 15% of the population making up 50% of the prison population (among other negative measures) are Māori in breach of their obligations?
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:10am
    - tf78
      
      graham I think she is running on empty not on feeelz
      
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      February 5, 2019 10:11am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , it’s all Feelz , and her holding hands with the new fat knight was another carefully crafted bit of “imagery”
      
      She’s doing her darndest to impress a small minority of people in this country , I hope your average neglected working class whitey is paying very close attention.
      
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      February 5, 2019 10:51am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        All that money and posing just to butter up voters Labour already had in the bag. I doubt this week will get her any swing voters.
        
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        February 5, 2019 12:52pm
- Niz
  
  Wouldn’t be surprised if we get a declaration that the TOW will now be compulsory learnin’ in schools because of this. I actually wouldn’t have too much of a problem with that except that the chances of it being taught objectively are slim to none. I’m sure it’ll be twisted into some kind of guilt trip for us dirty colonising white types.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:39am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You might be unaware that knowledge of the treaty and its contemporary effect is already a core component of the NZ school curriculum.
    Please feel free to express your outrage at the NZ schooling system teaching NZ children about their own country.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:37am
    - Niz
      
      It is? My bad. Did Jacinda miss school that day then?
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:43am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I have no idea where or when she went to school or what she was taught. Isn’t she the product of some weird religious sect?
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:47am
      - pentwig
        
        Niz
        milkmaid is being a squirrel again
        he will become nasty shortly
        sigh
        so predictable
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:00am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Gosh, everyone knows our PM went to Galatea Primary and Morrinsville College.
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12072847
        
        https://www.zmonline.com/random-stuff/the-morrinsville-college-1998-yearbook-predicted-jacinda-ardern-would-be-prime-minister/
        
        It’s been splashed around the mags and websites often enough.
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:16am
      - thedavincimode
        
        I have no idea where or when she went to school or what she was taught.
        
        milky, I believe you’ll find a couple of extracts from her school curriculum here and here.
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:38am
    - Ross12
      
      Does that mean the PM and Shaw need to go back to school mma?
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:46am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ditto for Shaw.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:47am
      - kowtow
        
        What it means is they will impose their well displayed lack of knowledge on the pupils of New Zealand .
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:53am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    But, but …
    SLG said she learned the ToW in school, so it isn’t that teaching is absent.
    She just couldn’t remember any of it, so its the pupil/student/learner (or noun de jour) that is deficient.
    
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    February 5, 2019 11:11am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Many of us would have to study up again on topics learned long ago.
      
      The difference is that most of us would actually do it in time for the required questioning!
      
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      February 5, 2019 12:56pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Quite right CL, and not so many of us would have to go back and revise something which we have declared we use every day.
        
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        February 5, 2019 1:30pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  10 years in parliament, but she’s always been too lazy to do the reading or the work. Little miss superficial.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:40am
SJ Actual

The $100m for Maori land is a waste. The problem isn’t a lack of capital, it’s the ownership structure and their inability to agree on anything.
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February 5, 2019 8:04am
- Rich Prick
  
  $100m won’t fix tribal squabbling in the North. It will only given something new to argue over. Good one Shane.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:08am
- alex Masterley
  
  Can we deduct that money from anything that goes Ngapuhis way in the future?
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:26am
- Lance
  
  Children’s tales are life lessons.
  I guess ‘the Little Red Hen’ is kinda lost on these people. Collectively nobody wants to do the work or stand surety for the money borrowed, but they sure as heck want any income.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:30am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The ownership of Maori land is communal. Who will willingly do the hard work to improve the land when the rewards shall be shared by all? Where is the motivation?
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:55am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Nowadays, in an enlightened democratic capitalist society you are 100% correct, of course.
    
    But in the Maoris’ tribal authoritarian plutocracy where slavery was common and people were in positions of total power by virtue of their birth, it was a different story. Labour was freely available and if they didn’t perform, then they could simply used as food. Problem solved.
    
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    February 5, 2019 10:21am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Is that the NZ history the teachers this morning was saying all kids must learn?
      
      Surely not…
      
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      February 5, 2019 1:00pm
- MCos
  
  About forty years ago I did some house drawings for some people who were owners, along with goodness knows how many other people, of a piece of rural Māori land just outside Thames.
  They didn’t realize just how complicated it was going to be finding out who all the other owners were and getting them to sign up.
  During the process illegally built homes were discovered that had evolved from temporary miners’ shacks, which should have been removed when the gold mining permits that were issued on the Māori land lapsed.
  Eventually their house got built after a lot of legal expenses and a lot of animosity and a lot of stress.
  I don’t know what the problems are up North with the Māori land, but like many things there’ll be more to it than meets the eye of the casual , often biased observer.
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:07am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    In my comment yesterday, I mentioned a similar problem with plots of land in Japan for which there are no existing deeds of ownership (lost in frequent fires, earthquakes, tsunami or other natural disasters). Under the old law, no redevelopment could proceed without the consent of the owner(s), but how does one get out of limbo when the owners cannot be known or located?
    Recent changes to Japanese law grant local government the powers to use these zombie tracts of land for the public good, which is a great improvement in a country where resources can be scarce.
    For Maori, poor documentation and fuzziness of land ownership is a tremendous liability and a brake on development and progress. Reform is needed.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:47am
    - tf78
      
      From what I understand land is inherited from the original elders and as families expand so does the shareholding/ownership – there in lies the difficulty.
      
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      February 5, 2019 10:15am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        In Japan the custom of “eldest son takes all” helps retain land holdings within the main family line. If you have only daughters, then you adopt a son-in-law as your legal son and have him change his name. Problem solved.
        
        Of course, the eldest son has the duty to look after his parents; not only in this world but in the next. (Regular tending of the family grave and involvement in the local temple/shrine association is pretty much mandatory.)
        
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        February 5, 2019 10:40am
Humble Capitalist

What a disaster of an interview that was for Jacinda on Hosking this morning. Once again showing that a Comms degree will only get you so far when you don’t know what youre talking about and when youre put on the spot.
Happy New Year Jacinda! Most of us have been back at work for 3 or 4 weeks.
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February 5, 2019 8:05am
- Longknives
  
  Did she ‘Absoludely Refwute’ what Mike had to say?
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:11am
  - Sacha
    
    She didn’t know what Mike was talking about when it came to immigration stats.
    It was cringeworthy, and that’s being kind.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:17am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    No but she claimed that listeners would be finding this a bit boring when she couldn’t explain why migration numbers had been changed. We weren’t finding it at all boring here listening to her umming, ahhhing and fumbling for one of her go to buzz phrases
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:19am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I tried to listen to that interview but I’m afraid she put me back to sleep.
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:48am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Embarrassing interview with M. Hosking.
        To those who love the Princess unconditionally:-
        time to get into the real world.
        You can still adore her – you just can’t believe anything she says.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:13am
- macdee
  
  Her interview on Red Radio was no better
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:44am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Simon is going to destroy her in the debates. Her minders are all too aware of this…..
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:20pm
- pentwig
  
  I am sure that morrissey is working on the transcript at this very moment and it will be posted forthwith.
  
  Hurry it up Morrie.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:06am
- tf78
  
  Do you think she might be busy next Tuesday.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:16am
Muttonbird

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Dirty Politics from the dirty party:

He called National’s justice spokesman Mark Mitchell “unprincipled and opportunistic” for speaking out for the estranged wife.

Never a truer word said about the member for Rodney.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12198076

New Zealand First MP and Cabinet Minister Tracey Martin says she personally witnessed a National Party MP instructing online “trolls” to attack a political opponent.

Interesting they went straight to Paula Bennett for comment. ?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12200803
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February 5, 2019 8:06am
- harvey wilson
  
  Look , it’s Muttonbird . Everyone feel free to point and laugh. Dirty politics? You mean like smearing Chris Bishop?
  
  The only dirty political party in NZ is the one with deeply entrenched sexual abuse issues , I am of course talking about the Labour Party.
  Roastbusters is back in the news and I can’t help but notice the Standard are studiously avoiding mentioning the current labour mp who asked a sexual abuse victim “ how free and easy are young girls these days?”.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:11am
  - Muttonbird
    
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    You and Chris Bishop appear to have a lot in common.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:16am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Muttonbird
      
      “You and Chris Bishop appear to have a lot in common”
      
      You mean we are both more successful than you?
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:18am
      - Colville
        
        More successful that Muttonchops?
        That is a pretty low bar.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:04am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Muttonbird your op is on the verge of disappearing because no one is interested in it. Symbolic of your life in many ways I feel.
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:25am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Muttonbrain, do you still believe the sex perp at last year’s Labour youth camp was a Young Nat troll. Dirty politics is CoL ministers perverting the law aka Jones, & the cabinet friends of the dud Czech.
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:36am
  - G152
    
    And Judith Collins stopping in at her hubbies job for a cuppa… boy, was that crime well reported.
    How dared she
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:21am
- Simon
  
  A fluffer for Labo concerned about online trolls.
  
  Wonders never cease.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:14am
  - harvey wilson
    
    If he wasn’t able to blame national for his failure in life he might have to take responsibility for his own terrible life choices.
    
    This is all he has.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:17am
- Happychappy
  
  If she feels that strongly about after all this time why don’t they name the National MP or has Tracey Martin peeped over someone’s shoulder to get a story. Like you mutton head produce facts instead of gossiping on Tracey,s work of being a busybody.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:30am
  - rangitoto
    
    Tweet from Bennett
    
    “I once peered over the shoulder of someone on their phone who opposes what I stand for but I won’t tell you who, but they were messaging something I didn’t agree with… I think. Herald can you run on front page please?”
    
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    February 5, 2019 1:47pm
- Aunty
  
  Good. I hope that National MP instructs even more concerned citizens to express their views about some left-wing flunky in the Labour Party and the danger that their policies and ideas will cause.
  
  It’s called freedom of expression and democracy, Tracey, you dumbass!
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:32am
  - harvey wilson
    
    This is a guy who believes national sent someone to the labour grooming camp to grope people to discredit a party with an already huge issue with sexual abuse.
    
    We aren’t talking about a rational honest person her, far from it.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:38am
    - harvey wilson
      
      Did this conversation work our like you planned Muttonbird?
      
      Bwhahahahahaha
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:46am
- Mobile Michael
  
  Martin should leave the lies to Winston – he’s much better at it.
  
  She claims that the group had 15 members – how could she have seen such a specific number.
  She claims that the MP gave them messages to use – again, how could she have seen those details.
  Andrew Little didn’t corroborate the story, nor mention hateful messaging as a reason for standing aside at the time.
  
  And Paula Bennett is deputy leader of National – she’d be the person to go to for caucus issues.
  
  Tracy Martin: Fail
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:43am
  - Yvette
    
    “During the 2017 election I was on a plane and there was another Member of Parliament sitting in front of me.”
    
    She said she stood up and witnessed the incident.
    “… I watched this person in front of me, who was running a group of 15 trolls on Facebook, give them the messages that they needed to start bombarding the other party that they were trying to have an effect on.
    “The messages they sent changed the outcome of the election. It wasn’t the outcome they were hoping for, but that was what they were attempting to do.
    “They personalised the messages to try and get one individual to feel so uncomfortable about their position that they removed themselves from it.”
    
    All this happened while she was standing up, it seems, reading someone one’s private computer screen from the row behind a person on a plane.
    
    “The messages they sent changed the outcome of the election” but “… she said she had never spoken about it publicly.
    NZ First MP Tracey Martin’s assessment that we might believe this, is an indication only of how dangerously stupid she, herself, may be.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:54am
    - harvey wilson
      
      She’s as honest as Muttonbird
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:58am
      - softail 1450
        
        H W,Seriously, Muttonturds body is just taking longer than normal to accustom itself to his new anti psychotic prescription,he may correct himself back to the more rational commenter of the past.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:17am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      The truth is that “online trolls” didn’t need any help whatsoever to diss Andrew Little; he supplied an abundance of ammunition himself!
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:14am
    - alex Masterley
      
      The woman must have 20:20 vision to be able to read a (presumably) laptop screen at an acute angle as she would while standing for some time, if she could provide the sort of detail she does.
      I’m smelling a Tracey Martin shaped rat here.
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:27am
    - MarkF
      
      Facebook on a plane! I don’t think so, no internet at 40,000 feet at least on domestic AirNZ!
      
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      February 5, 2019 10:03am
    - tf78
      
      I’m surprised Tracy can read that fast.
      
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      February 5, 2019 10:20am
- Than
  
  Tracey Martin’s story about witnessing a National MP encouraging trolling just doesn’t pass the smell test, for multiple reasons.
  
  First off, Martin’s credibly is not great to begin with. The fact that she’s refusing to name the MP is another flag, because it (conveniently) makes the story impossible to refute.
  
  But the main reason it is just doesn’t ring true is how she claims to have found out about it. Take a second to picture the circumstances as she described them – on a plane, seated behind the MP in question, she stood up and just happened to see what he was writing on his laptop. Now hang on, there are a dozen things that don’t make sense with that scenario. First, how would she be able to read what he was writing? Unless she’s leaning right over his shoulder she would have been several feet away, yet she expects us to believe she could at a glance read the text on a laptop. If she stayed standing long enough to read multiple comments being made, did the MP (or the flight crew) not notice this blatant violation of his privacy?
  
  This is just a Roofus Painter story, shamelessly making shit up to smear National.
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:56am
wreck1080

The government are increasing the tolls on taurangas 2 toll roads.

Tauranga has 3% of the countries population, but has 66% of the tollroads.

I don’t quite get why Tauranga is so heavily tolled , and the government is raising tolls when much of the country is not even tolled!

I do believe in toll roads, but all over, not just tauranga!
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February 5, 2019 8:06am
- Paulus
  
  Tauranga Tolls
  Not Labour Party MPs – both Nats.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:37am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    And Bay of Plenty and Tauranga are seat that are unlikely EVER to turn red, so the people who live there can be punished without there being an electoral backlash.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:15am
cmm

They confuse giving out money with getting results.

If the $100M actually achieves anything then it is probably money well spent.

But as others have noted, after a huge Te Tiriti pay out, they’re awash with cash. They don’t need more trough. They need management and a bit less “trough thinking”.

All the $100M does is makes more trough. It does not fix the problems.

Let’s circle back in a year and see if the $100M has achieved anything. I think not, but I hope I am wrong.

At least the billion trees has achieved a pile of $500-a-bag compost!
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February 5, 2019 8:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Let’s circle back in a year
  
  We have just circled back and Jacinda can’t answer a damn question about what her Government has achieved to date for Maori.
  
  It will be the same answer next year unless someone shows her how to do her homework.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:43am
  - cmm
    
    She’ll say “we gave them $100M”.
    
    It’s really easy to hand out money and pretend that is a way to measure effectiveness of a government.
    
    Ok, that didn’t work? Give them $200M, $500M,…
    
    Achieving actual results is much, much harder.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:12am
  - Sacha
    
    It’s getting her to do the homework that is the problem.
    I think she’s lazy.
    Her best role might be as a poster-girl, but she needs an effective steering group to do it right, and she doesn’t have one.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:35am
    - sooty
      
      Getting her to turn up for work is the hard part!
      
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      February 5, 2019 10:36am
- Rich Prick
  
  If we “circle back” in a year I can guarantee that the $100m will have disappeared and those shitter parts of Northland will still be shitty.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:16am
Colinxy

Doesn’t Jones keep saying he’s trying to get his nephews off the couch?

Perhaps we’re just taking him at his word: he’s trying to find politically expedient ways to gift his nephews $100m from the ever generous taxpayer? I’m sure Jones would rather just gift them the money rather than pretend his nephews have to, god-forbid, work for a living. This is a blatant case of plunder not profit.

At least rocket scientists might actually do some good for the economic prosperity of New Zealand. This might end up profitable in the long run…at least it might have the potential to do so due to developing the technology of rocketry.

(Edit: This was a reply to Yvette – for some reason this reply didn’t branch off it).
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February 5, 2019 8:12am
- alloytoo
  
  The rocket scientists have entered the commercial operations phase and it’s just a question of ramping up operations to achieve profitability.
  
  Shane’s nephews and cuzzies are still on the (taxpayer supplied) couch.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:26am
Poppa

I note that bank investment rates have recently increased

I wonder if this is the start of something?
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February 5, 2019 8:14am
Lee C

I found the article about ‘Dirty Politics’ and ‘National’ interesting. Front and centre on the Herald.

And my instinctive response was that this is just a desperate non-story about nothing.

I mean- shock – horror, political party uses social media!

What’s next?

“Opposition MP openly criticises the Government?’

Better get Nicky Hagar to steal – sorry hack – sorry ‘research’ this damning information.
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February 5, 2019 8:15am
- Surely Knott
  
  The National Party Dirty Politics story is a low information hit job/ squirrel to distract from Jacinda’s Waitangi bloopers. Really?! National runs a pack of 15 facebook trolls from a public plane, whose facebook posts are so cutting they can change elections. Yeah right. Seems weird that you would fly your trolls on a plane and shout orders to them when the plane is packed with Mps of all colours. Seems expensive and stupid. And then Tracey Martin pops up from the seat behind without detection and is able to view these 15 trolls and their messages. Seems highly unlikely. And she isn’t prepared to make a complaint, name the mp or produce an example of any of the messages.
  Earlier in the article it says the people are supporters. Big difference between “supporters “writing facebook messages or “running a team of trolls” which implies payment and control. Did they pay for the trolls or their plane tickets. More likely 15 people in a business group or sports team who are national supporters happen to sit near a national mp and they are facebooking and their is some banter back and forth about what to write? Seems there is dirty politics happening but it’s not from National.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:36am
  - Paulus
    
    Assume like all the MINISTER was travelling Business Class as is her right of course.
    Along with her lackies I expect too.
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:47am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Right. So National would have had to fly all 15 of their “Trolls” that they are running business class! That seems even more unlikely. But if they are…..where do I apply for one of these business class troll jobs for the Nats.
      
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      February 5, 2019 8:55am
      - Tall Man
        
        Dumb and dumber but steffy and the lying morons we have come to think of as lefties will lap it up as “evidence” and then continue to post their “labour lies” as prompted by the labour losers.
        
        I mean, seriously, how dumb are they?
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:25am
  - G152
    
    +I’d say that whiny Winston is behind this invention.
    Taken them a while to handufacture it…
    Whats the current disaster (apart from Waitangi [dead water] ) that needs to be hidden ?
    
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    February 5, 2019 10:04am
    - tf78
      
      Funnily enough we were talking last week about the actual meaning of Wai Tangi and wondered why it was named as such, I’d love to know.
      
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      February 5, 2019 10:30am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        According to A.W. Reed: Dictionary of Maori Place Names:
        Wai Tangi = weeping waters
        
        Perhaps in reference to the Haruru Falls on the Waitangi River.
        http://www.paihia.co.nz/Walk_Waitangi2HaruruFalls.cfm
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:49am
- hullkiwi
  
  …and what are Stephie, Muttonbrain, ztev and the other Fraser House interns. Geez, things must be diving for the SLG/B if the Horrid is resorting to thos level of High School journalism.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:40am
Chuck Bird

Red has got a lot of criticism on KB but these videos showing Cindy’s communist background when she was 27 and an active Labour Party member would be useful for National at election time. Many moderate Labour voters would not know of her communist background.

https://truebluenz.com/2019/02/04/video-the-real-jacinda-ardern/
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February 5, 2019 8:15am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Alas, I easily found the one of her leading the ‘Internationale’ before the last election. But it had absoludely zero momentum, it seems.
  
  Either the swing voters don’t know what the International Union of Socialist Youth is, or they were totally unaware of what an extremist they were fawning over. Or – they like it and want to live under an extreme Socialist regime.
  
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  February 5, 2019 1:47pm
kowtow

Europe’s fucked .

To date all we hear from the media is diversity , multiculti , enrichment , welcome.

But what do the “enrichers” bring?

“500,000 clan members in Germany

For decades, police turned a blind eye to extended criminal families, in part to avoid being accused of racial discrimination. This has made the present-day challenge all the more difficult as clan structures have solidified, parallel societies have formed, and the enemy has grown.

“There are now half a million people across Germany who belong to a clan, though not every person is a criminal,” Ghadban estimates. Many nationalities are represented. There are Lebanese clans, Turkish, Kurdish, Albanian, Kosovan and even Chechen extended families who run illegal businesses.”

The famously efficient German police turned a blind eye because of racism ? Sounds familiar.And the cultural background of the offenders , once again , they who must not be offended.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-cracks-down-on-clan-crime-with-zero-tolerance/a-47341384
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February 5, 2019 8:16am
- EAD_THREE
  
  The saddest case is perhaps that of Britain and her incredibly brave soldiers whose descendants are now being replaced in a hostile and unrelenting manner.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5487167/Telford-child-sex-scandal-involving-1-000-Britains-worst.html
  
  Those brave British soldiers thought they were fighting to preserve their nation, not to see it changed irrevocably:
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html
  
  The harsh reality is that these brave British men were duped into fighting their European brothers so that Churchill could appease his Jewish creditors such as Henry Strakosch and surrender the nation to the international money power.
  
  https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-churchills-debts-and-the-money-men-who-saved-him-1.5437629
  
  https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/08/britains-vast-unpaid-debt-to-the-usa.html
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:48am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO and kowtow,
  the restoration of the Nuremberg Laws to promote German Blood and Honour on the cards? ,
  
  https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow
  
  With equivalents here and elsewhere in your political manifestos and aspirations?
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:56am
  - EAD_THREE
    
    Stephieboy,
    
    German laws were to protect against Communists and Jewish folks such Theodore N. Kaufman which called for the extermination of the entire German people, including women & children.
    
    https://www.amazon.com/Germany-must-perish-Theodore-Kaufman/dp/0942094042
    
    Continued mass immigration, relentless guilt tripping, endless promotion of abortion and hedonistic lifestyles in the West will see Kaufmanns final solution for the German people come to pass.
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:12am
    - Tall Man
      
      Your mind is really in a strange place.
      
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      February 5, 2019 9:27am
      - EAD_THREE
        
        Your mind is really in a strange place.
        
        You probably can’t tell me who sank the USS Liberty, but I bet you you could tell me the cast of characters in Shortland Street and all the results of the 2012 Tri Nations.
        
        But I’m the one whose mind is in a strange place. Got it
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:40am
      - Tall Man
        
        Um..no and no.
        
        Your point is?
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    Another nonsense post from the sexually confused steffy girl. You must have really had a fucked up life to have become so disconnected with reality.
    
    Come clean and admit that you have issues and we’ll understand…we’ll take the piss but only in a caring way.
    
    Now, fuck off back to la la land where ardern the liar stimulates your life. By the way, do you know the contents of the reaty unlike your leader? She’s really dumb isn’t she? And…
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:18am
holysheet

The protection squad is patrolling Premier House lawn and find Cindy asleep on the ground. They don’t know what to do as they don’t want to wake her up and get yelled at so they call the Chief of Staff and asked him. He doesn’t want to get yelled at either so he calls a meeting of the Liabour Pardy and they all meet in his office. After hours of debate about who gets the onerous task they come to the conclusion that it’s Jethros job.
They send a delegation up to the his room and knock on the door. When he finally answers, he starts giving the poor assistant hell for waking him up from the best sleep he has had in years. The assistant waits, knowing his job is to take whatever abuse that comes his way, until Jethro stops yelling and asks why he is there. When he tells him Cindy is out on the lawn sleeping, his response is: “I told her to leave the lawn mowing to me, but she said she was too smart for that.
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February 5, 2019 8:18am
Tarquin North

If you want a laugh try reading Bryan Gould’s latest fawning diatribe in the Horrid. He starts by describing Jacinda as a beacon at Davos and then it’s all down hill from there.
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February 5, 2019 8:19am
- G152
  
  A beacon eh.
  Well its about time she got taken ashore and refurbished.
  The lights a bit dim, going to take some real work to get it brighter.
  Floatation’s okay the automatic bailers are keeping up a sufficient flow to keep it afloat.
  Bit loose on the mooring, keeps going AWOL seeking sunnier less demanding climes
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:28am
  - Gravyman2
    
    I try to avoid beacons at all costs…
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:06am
- Sacha
  
  No thanks.
  Some jokes are just not that funny.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:28am
- hullkiwi
  
  Cindy needs someone to fawn over her. It seems the media and the sheeple are just being awful to the dumb woman. After all, the media ask her trick questions, like what are the articles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:43am
- Tall Man
  
  The only “beacon” would be like the ones “wreckers” used to lure the ships onto the rocks as we are sure heading onto the rocks economically and socially speaking.
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    Jacinda is our Siren…
    she’s the dangerous creature luring fools paddling the good waka Aotearoa onto deadly rocks.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren_(mythology)
    
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    February 5, 2019 10:26am
secondcumming

*FACEBOOK*…..never bothered with it myself. The missus has about a hundred ‘friends’, although two thirds she’s never fucking heard of. Does however have about 20 girls she went to boarding school with that stay in touch.

Personally, I can’t believe what a pack of retards actually inhabit that site. The other day, I gave the missus a pic I’d taken, and told her to post some crap about the ‘wonderful weekend’ we spent flying to Sydney, and just see what sort of response she’d get.
Ended up with *104 likes* and 27 comments telling her, “how wonderful it looked”.

Go figure…… 😎

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyMAUnbW0AES-IC.jpg
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February 5, 2019 8:25am
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, secondcumming.
  
  I set up an MSN chatroom in pre-Facebook days so that boys who attended my boarding school back in the day could keep in touch.
  
  Was quite useful in that overseas trips regularly now see me meeting up with folk who now live in such disparate locales as Durban, San Francisco, Deepest Darkest Lundin…
  
  But I shut it down when it morphed into what Facebook now does so execrably – add-ins of people with nothing to do with the original purpose, bloody CAT pictures, grrr, people whinging about anything and everything, demands that I ‘come here and say that. I’ll f*cking smash yer’, political arguments that you just know are gonna go on and on and on and on and on…
  
  Easier to just do our keeping in touch by email these days!
  
  I saw a good quote once:
  
  ‘Isn’t it funny that we live in an age where we are supposedly terrified of ‘Big Brother’ and being forever watched, but are quite happy to post all our personal details on a very suspish-looking website for anyone and everyone to read at will…’
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:43am
hullkiwi

You know the law is an ass when the Human Rights Commission seems it discriminatory ACC enforcing the law.

In essence a beneficiary fought for nearly a decade for an ACC payout. Which she was awarded in 2010, a sum of $40,000. However, because of the one the one benefit policy she received just $500, as all the benefits she had received were deducted. The ACC payout was for loss of income, as she had been receiving benefits she had lost very little income. This is no different to a wage and salary earner, part of any ACC payout will be for lost income. That is you either receive income or you don’t, and if there is.lost income you are compensated. You don’t get both income & compensation.

However, in the Henesay case the Human Rights Commision in the case of a beneficiary have deemed this principle discriminatory. How? The explanations I have heard this far don’t explain, except to say they find fault in the one benefit principle on the basis a benefit is not income. If, that indeed their logic, what a pile of rubbish, they need to live in the real world. What they are arguing is semantics, in the real world, if you live on benefits, then that is your INCOME!
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February 5, 2019 8:26am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Just wait, HK: the Human Rights Commission will be used by people wanting to use the Migration Compact as NZ’s open-door policy.
  
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  February 5, 2019 1:55pm
redeye

This could be fun.

https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/50-celebs-reporters-others-covington-kids-lawyers-just-officially-targeted/

The letter from lawyers representing high school junior Nick Sandmann were sent to individuals and organizations ranging “from presidential hopeful Elizabeth Warren to actress Alyssa Milano; individual journalists including Maggie Haberman, Ana Cabrera and David Brooks; national media outlets like the The New York Times, CNN, GQ and TMZ; and the dioceses of Covington and Lexington as well as the archdioceses of Louisville and Baltimore.”
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February 5, 2019 8:29am
- Colinxy
  
  Is it still being done pro bono?
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:15am
DigNap15

Mike Hoskins asked Ardern why there were 10,000 more people on the job seekers benefit, when unemployment was so low.
Ardern said she will look into it.
She just needs to ask Sepuloni if removing the sanctions was a good idea, and if the trend will be more on the JSB or less!
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February 5, 2019 8:31am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who the Hell is Mike Hoskins?
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:56am
  - stigie
    
    He may as well said Horseskins !~
    
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    February 5, 2019 11:13am
oldpark

Peters was no fool when he appointed “Comical” Chic Comrade Ardern. We are now all paying the price for the mischievious selection of such a small town twerp, by Emperor Peters.
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February 5, 2019 8:33am
- holysheet
  
  C’mon oldfart, you can do better than that. We have become used to your ramblings on about this govt in your disjointed way.
  Your standards are slipping, when you post only one paragraph.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:55am
  - oldpark
    
    @holysheet 8.55am
    Thought i would leave the long winded stuff to you. You being such a clown how could i complete with you. Especially the so called “”jokes that you make up.
    
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    February 5, 2019 1:06pm
Maggie Pie

An Ozzie ‘housing expert’ says, “Australia has built a generation of apartment buildings that could become slums in just 20 years……”

https://twitter.com/60Mins/status/1092193224075108352

A drive around Auckland’s CBD, will show they’re about 30 years behind us then. Somme of the apartments look straight out of HK with all the washing on the balconies 🙁
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February 5, 2019 8:47am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  For slums you need:
  – High levels of unemployment
  – High levels of single motherhood
  – High levels of welfare
  – Low levels of owner-occupancy
  – A high proportion of the “protected” classes
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:02am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    The CoL are working on it
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:28pm
- Woz
  
  At least they wash their clothes. Down at the school gate in the afternoons when I pick up my youngest daughter I’d swear there are yoga pants and black singlets that haven’t seen water since the ocean they passed over on the way here from Bangladesh.
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:58am
sooty

I posted late last night that I thought someone in the Lairbour party set Twitford up to fail. By appointing him to be in charge of Kiwi Sums. The flagship of their policies and they put an idiot in charge. Someone is taken the mickey out of Twitford! That puddle must be shallow and the sun is shining!
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February 5, 2019 8:50am
- holysheet
  
  The talent pool wasn’t very deep. The puddle in the carpark has more talent than this lot.
  
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  February 5, 2019 8:56am
  - sooty
    
    It’s like a Blackadder joke! Slap a tail on it and call it a donkey!
    
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    February 5, 2019 1:41pm
softail 1450

So the gutless drunken Garner interviewing Jacinda this morning asked “what are you going to do about this Australian study that came up with many recommendations to fix the shocking state of Aussie banks”?
Pinnochi Ardens answer “we are already acting on these recommendations,” FFS this report has only been out merely 12 hours and the COL are already acting on the findings.Did Garner pull her up on this blatant lie …????NO….
The nats will be fighting against the COL and the NZ media to win next year.
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February 5, 2019 8:51am
- Tall Man
  
  The next question he should have asked was exactly what actions they will be taking..
  
  That would then expose the ie if he bothered to push for an answer.
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:09am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
A follow up on yesterdays madness by the usual suspects,

” These Insane Conspiracy Theories About the Vegas Shooting Will Blow Your Mind”

These days, conspiracy theories abound for just about everything. Recently, the Las Vegas concert massacre has generated its own set of theories. Gunman Stephen Paddock opened fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino onto the Route 91 Harvest Festival below, killing 58 and injuring hundreds more. Over the past few weeks, theorists have called some aspects of the event into question.

Let’s take a closer look at what the victims of the shooting have had to put up with online, including conspiracy theories involving everything from crisis actors to the Illuminati to even child trafficking.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/these-insane-conspiracy-theories-about-las-vegas-will-blow-your-mind.html/?a=viewall

Secondcumming , Ed Snack, Inandout and coy shall we go through them one at a time?
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February 5, 2019 9:04am
- Tall Man
  
  You do what you want steffy girl, no one here cares what you do or don’t do but we are all very concerned that you continue to support an ignorant liar commonly known as
  
  ardern the liar
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:07am
- DigNap15
  
  Stephie, its a wonder that you don’t claim responsibility on behalf of ISIS
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    steffy girl..responsible? Really, she doesn’t even know what end she’s going to dump from next…just like……
    
    ardern the liar
    
    she shits from both ends 🙂
    
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    February 5, 2019 9:21am
- Woz
  
  Stephanie, you’re not known to have a great deal of wattage available on the flight deck. Why waste what little brainpower you have on analysing conspiracy theories? The more conspiracy retards are ignored, the quicker they’ll go away.
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:53am
hullkiwi

Next minister for the witless protection programme – Stuart Nash.

It seems the blowhard has turned the heat on Nash and with it seen Nash flush Labour’s 2017 fishing policies down the river. Morning Report did back to back interviews with Russell Norman and Nash. Norman and Suzi Ferguson helped make Nash look like a brow beaten idiot who was doing the interview Jacinda style (ie bulls**tting answers, blaming the previous govt/minister, or attacking Norman for publicizing that the CoL doesn’t have a fishing policy and that the previous govt was doing a better job).

If, even half of what Norman suggested this morning is true, NZ will not have a sustainable fishery resource within a generation. And for it, NZ will be able to thank the CoL, Shand Jones and Winston Peters.

Getting rid of Jones and Peters at the next election is becoming an imperative for the sake of NZ!
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February 5, 2019 9:23am
- Poppa
  
  I totally agree
  
  The problem is that Peters has friends in the fishing industry. Scampi anyone??
  
  Therefore he will not want to upset any of his mates & Nash is just doing what he is told
  
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  February 5, 2019 9:30am
- KevOB
  
  The Greens would deny people meat, fish and poultry–probably tuatara and moa also if they were available. Their credibility is nil.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:46am
cmm

Why are the Aussie and Kiwi representatives having a three-way hug with the EFF?

https://twitter.com/EFFSouthAfrica/status/1091626293920174081

PriNZess & Winnie. WTF are you doing here?
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February 5, 2019 9:27am
- simpleton1
  
  It would seem that the rabbit hole leads that way.
  
  The pathway of good intentions, lead to darkness.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:06am
dime

Dime has been busy so is a bit out of the loop.

When Trump took office – the stock market was going to tank.

Then by late last year, the economy was going so well and the stock market was up so much, it was all Obama!! Obamas economy baby! “who do you think started that?” etc etc

Then we had the Xmas eve meltdown. A quick bear market so it was all on Trump – “he’s a piece of shit, he’s tanked the economy! this is all on him”

Fast forward to today – strongest January in 30 years for the US stock market. Up 8%.

So is it back to being Obamas economy again?
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February 5, 2019 9:28am
- KevOB
  
  The US economy is in severe strife. Excessive spending and excessive money creation. Its little to do with Presidents old or new. It’s held up at present by a floundering FED that can’t face. a wreck.
  Economic history will prevail and asset prices adjusted. The longer the delay the greater the damage to be repaired. The world is so inter-related that we must be caught up too.
  An unwinding is occurring and the FED can’t control individual decision makers. They are showing wariness and their desire for protection may not be thwarted. Our COL are not going to know what to do.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:41am
Kiwi Dave

Having only just learnt of La Vista’s owners’ difficulties, I suggest that if the petition doesn’t succeed, they convert their restaurant to a pizzeria employing only students from the sub-continent. Observation suggests that NZ’s demand for these is insatiable.
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February 5, 2019 9:36am
- KH
  
  Great business those pizzabars. The Indian ‘student’ even pay the owner to work there.
  
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  February 5, 2019 2:23pm
EAD_THREE

I see Jewish author Marc Daalder was given free reign in the MSM to slander and attack anyone who stepped of the “multiculturalism/mass immigration good – whites bad” bandwagon as he explores New Zealands “Far right” (i.e. anyone opposed to the UNs migration pact)

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/02/an-exploration-of-new-zealand-s-far-right-nationalist-movement.html

It’s an absolute joke of an article – something one would expect from a Media Studies graduate but he can’t hide his seething hatred for white people (check out his twitter account) and all things traditional and conservative. He even calls Lauren Souther and Stefan Molyneux “far-right extremists”.

Instead, New Zealand’s far-right could be more motivated by social concerns about multiculturalism and the loss of traditional white male hegemony.

“There are people in New Zealand who feel very disempowered and disenfranchised”, Spoonley explains. “They feel as though the new stress on contemporary, liberal multiculturalism is something that they’re excluded from”

Does anyone actually believe the utter pile of sh*t these Media studies graduates write?
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February 5, 2019 9:37am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  EAD_THREE,
  
  I urge you to be more inclusive. For example:
  “multiculturalism/mass immigration good – East Asian nations bad”
  
  “Whites” do not have a monopoly of “hegemony” and “concerns of population collapse.” Other groups have similar problems.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:05am
- Cobolt24
  
  On his twitter this Marc Daalder endorses (((Howard Schultz))) for president, the one who said the USA belongs to immigrants including illegals, not Americans
  
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  February 6, 2019 10:45am
Odakyu-sen

I have simple questions (for tomorrow’s holiday).

How does the TOW (as it is currently interpreted) benefit the nation of New Zealand?

Alternatively: How is the TOW causing harm to this country?
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February 5, 2019 9:52am
- Psycho Milt
  
  How does the TOW (as it is currently interpreted) benefit the nation of New Zealand?
  
  First, and most important from your and my perspective, it provides a legal basis on which non-Māori citizens of the country can exist and run the place as a western liberal democracy. Without it, we’d be no better than Australians.
  
  Second, it enables the indigenous inhabitants of the country to retain some dignity and some say in how the country they’re now a minority in is run. Without it they’d be no better than indigenous Australians.
  
  Third, it enables challenges to a few of the more egregious abuses by government.
  
  How is the TOW causing harm to this country?
  
  From the Māori perspective, it caused a shitload of harm to the country. From the Pākeha perspective, there are no downsides (unless you count the limits it imposes on greed and racism as downsides, which I expect a good number of this blog’s readers do).
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:14am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Is it moral to give special treatment to “indigenous” people? And on what basis (genetic fraction or ‘drop of blood’) do you determine who is “indigenous” in today’s world of intermarriage?
    
    Are we not a nation of brothers?
    
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    February 5, 2019 10:35am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Do you sense a great feeling of fraternity on this blog from Pakeha towards their fellow Maori citizens?
      Or do you often see phrases like “why can’t Maori” this or that?
      
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      February 5, 2019 10:52am
      - Woz
        
        I’d suggest that on this blog, “Maori” is actually a term for those who have decided, regardless of their actual biological antecedents, to identify themselves as colonised, aggrieved, traumatised, and requiring special treatment (read money) from the rest of us.
        
        My next-door-neighbours are a proudly Maori family who are getting on in life (the father owns an asphalting business) and cringe at the sort of “Maori” that gets discussed on here.
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:15am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I remember a Mormon missionary in Japan back in the 1980s who was obviously of Maori heritage. What a fine young man he was. He gave me the impression that Maori were vigorous, studious, hard-working, humble and sincere.
        What a rude shock awaited me when I came to Auckland a couple of decades later…
        
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        February 5, 2019 1:21pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Odakyu-sen is right: there has been way too much interbreeding for there to be any logic in apartheid politics.
        
        However, if people (families, tribes) were actually driven off their land or deprived of other assets they owned, how do you deal with that, Odakyu-sen? ‘Maori’ or not, isn’t that something we need to correct?
        
        Of course just repairing clearly traceable theft would actually mean that the wealthier tribes, ie families who owned a lot via war or luck, will be well off after treaty settlements, while part-Maori from poor or unidentifiable families would get nothing.
        
        That’s where the left is so keen on apartheid: anyone not part-Maori owes those with that drop of blood.
        
        I think they are playing a very dangerous game with that.
        
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        February 5, 2019 2:29pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Is it moral to give special treatment to “indigenous” people?
      
      Er, yes. The Japanese are indigenous to Japan – do you find it odd that they privilege Japanese citizens over foreigners?
      
      And on what basis (genetic fraction or ‘drop of blood’) do you determine who is “indigenous” in today’s world of intermarriage?
      
      Oh, it’s easy enough – Kiwiblog readers never have any trouble identifying a Māori if one’s committed a crime, so all they need to do is turn that razor-sharp Māori-detector to matters other than crime.
      
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      February 5, 2019 11:07am
      - Tall Man
        
        Line me up a few indigenous people then and we’ll have a chat.
        
        We have 14% choosing to identify as maori yet in the vast majority of cases…100%, they are mixed blood so neither maori or any other race, much like the rest of us but we are all New Zealanders and that is the most important “tag”.
        
        Let’s reinvent the wheel of justice and make all labour party members immune from prosecution for sex crimes, opps, too late on that one, so how aboout we change the law to allow only labour voters to receivve the dole, oops, again..too late on that one…
        
        Gat my point.
        
        Having a tad maori blood does not and should not garner special treatent, now or ever.
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:28am
      - Jack5
        
        Psycho Milt: “Without it, we’d be no better than Australians.”
        
        No better?
        
        About 130,000 people who identify as Maori live in Australia. Proportionately, more Maori than non-Maori New Zealanders are moving to Australia.
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:32am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        …mixed blood…
        
        You do realise blood isn’t different between ethnicities, right?
        
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        February 5, 2019 12:07pm
      - Inandout
        
        PM, you attempt to equate Maori to Japanese which is laughable. These cossetted ‘people of the land’ have been on these isles a mere blink of the eye. Their culture was as basic as you could get, no written language, not even a wheel. They lived from village to village, eating whatever they could kill, and in the case of humans kept them alive until all their limbs were severed. Now we pay out billions of dollars to keep them like helpless victims, and in many cases they repay us by burgling.
        
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        February 5, 2019 12:17pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        I didn’t “equate” Japanese with Māori, I pointed out they were both indigenous to a particular country. Your thoughts on the relative merits of the two groups tells us plenty about who you don’t like, but makes no argument.
        
        I suppose there was perhaps an implied argument that, in your opinion, the relative merits you personally ascribe to particular ethnic groups has some bearing on their indigenous status in their own countries. But that would be a very silly argument, so let’s stick with “makes no argument.”
        
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        February 5, 2019 1:05pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Psycho Milt,
        ” The Japanese are indigenous to Japan…”
        Not according to many (including the UN). That would be the Ainu.
        Ref: https://curiosity.com/topics/the-ainu-are-japans-indigenous-people-curiosity/
        
        In Japan there is a movement to recover the Ainu language and to give special treatment to the “indigenous” people of Japan. This movement has almost the same talking points and narratives as you can find in New Zealand or in Wales.
        
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        February 5, 2019 1:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        Psycho Milt’s 12.07 post included:
        
        “You do realise blood isn’t different between ethnicities …”
        
        Are you sure about that, Psycho Milt? Not everyone would agree:
        
        https://www.babymed.com/pregnancy-test/ethnic-distribution-of-blood-types
        
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        February 5, 2019 1:17pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Psycho, forget what some or your hated KB commenters call ‘Maori’. What’s *your* definition?
        
        Come on, you need to clearly identify what ‘indigenous’ means if you think they should have special rights.
        
        Note: I have some part-Maori rellies who don’t go for identity politics at all and just studied and worked and are doing well. I don’t think they expect special rights for their Maori DNA.
        
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        February 5, 2019 2:37pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Psycho, forget what some or your hated KB commenters call ‘Maori’. What’s *your* definition?
        
        Ethnicity’s about culture, not “blood” – unless you’re some kind of throw-back racist who the last 60 years completely passed by. Which is why there are Kiwis who look Chinese and Māori who look White. It doesn’t really matter, though – however you choose to define it, Māori exist and the Crown has a treaty with them.
        
        …you need to clearly identify what ‘indigenous’ means if you think they should have special rights.
        
        I don’t think anyone should have any “special rights,” even (hell, especially) if they’re invisible “special rights” that come via wealth and connections. However, the Crown does have a treaty with Māori, and treaties come with obligations. That isn’t giving them “special rights,” it’s “making some attempt to abide by our promises.”
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:06pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “it enables the indigenous inhabitants of the country to retain some dignity ”
    
    Clever words but they are bullshit. You are obviously infected with the same “feelz” disease as ardern the liar.
    
    Kawerau maori school attendees, average 38%.
    
    Lowest literacy rate ever among 16 year old maori.
    
    Maori incaceration…58% of female prisoners identify as maori, 51% of male prisoners identify as maori..
    
    How am I doing so far pm?
    
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    February 5, 2019 11:04am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      About as well as you ever do.
      
      Those measurements are relative, and in the subject under discussion they should be considered relative to indigenous populations in colonised countries without a treaty – Australia, for example. How do those figures compare against those for Aboriginal Australians?
      
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      February 5, 2019 11:10am
      - Tall Man
        
        And how do those figures compare against the welfare figures of the soon to be discovered martians?
        
        Irrelevant as are the comparisons with Australia. We are New Zealand, although ardern the liar seems determined to change that as well.
        
        Currently maori lead all negative stats regarding welfare, health and education even though they only represent 14% of the population.
        
        How’s that then?
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:22am
      - srylands
        
        Australian aboriginals represent 28 percent of the prison population and 3 percent of the total population. Or thereabouts. It varies dramatically across the country as you would expect.
        
        Yes Australian aboriginals are a disaster. But I am not convinced a treaty would fix things. The Mabo settlement in 1993 provided an extensive return of land to aboriginals. The remote communities, which I have visited, are quite functional. They ban alcohol for a start. But aboriginals in urban areas are a calamity.
        
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        February 5, 2019 11:24am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Currently maori lead all negative stats regarding welfare, health and education even though they only represent 14% of the population.
        
        How’s that then?
        
        What, I’m supposed to make up for your lack of education now? The reasons why indigenous people in colonised countries appear disproportionately in all the worst stats have been extensively studied and aren’t a great mystery. Do some research before blathering.
        
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        February 5, 2019 12:13pm
      - Jack5
        
        But, PM, it’s fair to ask whether the problems of colonised people are due to their own cultures rather than to colonisation?
        
        For example, these non-colonised people have done very poorly on their own – in fact they are stagnating in a stone age:
        
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/11/27/an-isolated-tribe-killed-missionary-gave-an-anti-immigration-politician-an-idea/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2b903e8491b7
        
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        February 5, 2019 1:21pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I see where Psycho is coming from, because in the past I have hoped that the ToW gives us a fairer basis for colonisation than just conquering and stealing would have.
        
        But any clearly traceable Maori asset ownership at the time of colonisation would have belonged to the more powerful tribes and not the already oppressed and enslaved other Maori.
        
        So Psycho, do you say: “OK, all Maori were hard done by, both by Caucasians and before that by each other, thus all Maori should now get special privileges.”
        
        Even if you want that, you still have the issue of defining who is Maori and who gets those special privileges.
        
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        February 5, 2019 2:46pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        But, PM, it’s fair to ask whether the problems of colonised people are due to their own cultures rather than to colonisation?
        
        It’s fair to ask, but the evidence is against the answer being “Yes.” There are two issues:
        
        1. It’s reasonable to assume that, for hunter/gatherer societies in which their entire culture is closely tied to the land, just being dispossessed of their land, let alone all the other brutalities of being colonised, would be a crippling blow. Now, a person might be tempted to claim that that effectively says their culture is to blame for their problems, but that’s equivalent to claiming that a shooting victim not wearing a bullet-proof vest is to blame for the gunshot wounds.
        
        2. Given the above, we could expect to see every indigenous hunter/gatherer society subjugated and colonised by more advanced societies to show these problems. Which they do. Someone wanting to make a case that their cultures were responsible for the problems would have to explain the astonishing coincidence that colonisation only ever seems to happen to the cultures that are susceptible to these problems.
        
        For example, these non-colonised people have done very poorly on their own – in fact they are stagnating in a stone age:
        
        If people are happy living as hunter-gatherers, that isn’t a problem. You can hold the opinion that they’re “stagnating in a stone age,” but an opinion is all it is.
        
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        February 5, 2019 3:00pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “If people are happy living as hunter-gatherers,”
      
      For any ‘happiness’ enough food and reasonable health are required. And no violence from other tribes or superiors. So some concept of ‘human rights’.
      
      NZ was not well resourced and only coastal people could get enough protein. Perhaps some well-fed, successful people were reasonably ‘happy’, though probably cold in winter, in pain with diseases and and missing many family members who died in battles or from sickness etc.
      
      Ah, Psycho, I know you so well. Your mind seems to be where mine and my greenie friends’ minds were 30 years ago.
      
      Before I grew up and understood that a huge global population can’t possibly be supported that way and that only limited aspects of any ancient culture (including European ones) can meet with the modern desire for human rights and good resources.
      
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      February 5, 2019 3:37pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        The Māori of 1840 weren’t under any obligation to support a global population, or even to allow non-Māori to settle here. They were, however (unlike the Sentinel Islanders) willing to give up hunter-gathering and make a living from trade with Pakeha, which is what they thought they were doing when they signed the Treaty.
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:10pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Having more resources through trading was going to mean a bigger population and even less chance of returning to hunter-gathering with the original meager resources. What is your point?
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:49pm
  - srylands
    
    “Without it, we’d be no better than Australians.”
    
    Are you referring to the fact that Australia’s GDP PER CAPITA is now 47 percent higher than New Zealand? Or the fact that their National Day is a jolly affair with nationwide barbecues, sailing and a generally good time? Or was it something else?
    
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    February 5, 2019 11:17am
    - Tall Man
      
      “or was it something else”…..
      
      You’ve been listening in on Simon’s questions to ardern the liar 🙂
      
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      February 5, 2019 11:23am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I don’t doubt that, minus the ToW, Pakeha NZers also would be draping themselves in national flags on “New Zealand Day” and happily celebrating their obliviousness to their own history. It’s a question of whether you’d consider that a good thing or not.
      
      By “no better than Australians,” I meant that we also would have had to do something like construct a ludicrous legal fantasy that the country was empty when we got here so there was no reason to take indigenous people into account.
      
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      February 5, 2019 12:17pm
  - Jazzby
    
    You are quite wrong in one crucial respect; namely, when you say, “…it provides a legal basis on which non-Maori citizens of the country can exist and run the place as a western liberal democracy.”
    For your information, the Treaty of Waitangi has never formed part of this country’s domestic law, nor has it even been ratified by any government; in other words, it has no legal standing per se.
    So the basis of your argument must, by definition, be a moral, rather than legal, one. And that’s another matter entirely.
    
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    February 5, 2019 6:04pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      NZ domestic law is created by one of the parties to the Treaty, so is irrelevant to the Treaty’s legal validity. International law says treaties signed between two states are binding – it may suit governments to claim that the indigenous peoples they signed treaties with weren’t “states,” but the fact remains they signed treaties with people they self-evidently considered to be appropriate representatives of the country they were dealing with. And, if the Treaty isn’t a legal basis for Pakeha to be living here and running this country as a liberal western democracy, we’re invaders and the Māori have the right to kill us. Do we really want to go there?
      
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      February 5, 2019 7:31pm
- DigNap15
  
  It causes harm, because it allows Maori to blame everything on the Europeans and they use it to gain as much as they can (gravy train).
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:14am
Manolo

Italy’s illegal immigration farce: all those buggers, abetted by do-gooders, claim 1st January as their birthday.

http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/cronache/sea-watch-farsa-dei-migranti-minori-sono-nati-tutti-stesso-1638275.html
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February 5, 2019 10:09am
Manolo

Dismal performance by Mrs Ardern when interviewed on the radio by Mike Hosking this morning.

Another shocker from the incompetent PM.
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February 5, 2019 10:12am
Manolo

It is impossible not to laugh.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47107646

Sunday night was the 53rd time two teams walked out on to the field to contest the Super Bowl – and the first time ever male cheerleaders were included.

Napoleon Jinnies and Quinton Peron made history when they stood on the sidelines with the LA Rams during America’s most-watched TV event.
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February 5, 2019 10:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Male cheerleaders are nothing new. Or was this just the first time at top pro-football? G W Bush was a cheerleader, fer chrissakes.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:58am
  - Jack5
    
    ?They were the first male cheerleaders in the NFL.
    Just as Manolo said.
    
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    February 5, 2019 11:09am
- Inandout
  
  You must cater for the gay crowd, and next year there will be trannies.
  
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  February 5, 2019 12:21pm
BeaB

She is like a runaway train – the words just pour out and mean nothing.
I am looking forward to more and more interviewers asking her “What does that mean?”
So far she has failed on GDP and the Treaty, not to mention all the stats and figures from her own government that she hasn’t heard about or thinks are different or needs to get advice on!
Remember when we used to have PMs like Key and English who knew what they were talking about.
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February 5, 2019 10:19am
- Woz
  
  Don’t restrict yourself to just the Right side of the spectrum. You never saw Clarkula, Palmer, Moore or Lange stumble, fumble, ummm, aah, or look blank and stunned like the SLG. She is by far the most stupid, incompetent and inept Prime Minister this country has ever had. Country mile stuff. It’s just as well both the country and the Government are much bigger than the role of PM. This embarrassing idiot might otherwise destroy us.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:34am
  - sooty
    
    Is JacinDUH, better or worse than Wallace Rowlins?
    
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    February 5, 2019 10:41am
    - Woz
      
      Bill would run a reasonably close second behind Jacinduh.
      
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      February 5, 2019 11:18am
  - BeaB
    
    I just used the two most recent but could have listed just about every single PM we have ever had.
    
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    February 5, 2019 10:57am
  - Inandout
    
    How true Woz. But I remember Mike Moore could talk the leg off a table, and say fuck all of any sense. But at least he was watchable.
    
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    February 5, 2019 12:24pm
    - Woz
      
      He could, true. But unlike Ardern he wasn’t dumb as a post. Just don’t mention possumburgers.
      
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      February 5, 2019 1:01pm
  - Paulus
    
    Lange mumbled all the time.
    Another big mouth.
    Yes, I met him a number of times.
    
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    February 5, 2019 1:41pm
Fletch

I see that idiot Russell Brand has come out and said that parents shouldn’t tickle kids without their permission. To add to that, a 27 year old Indian man is suing his parents for giving birth to him without his consent… ?

https://theprint.in/culture/these-indians-dont-want-you-to-have-babies-because-life-sucks/184973/
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February 5, 2019 10:29am
- Woz
  
  Ever since the appalling Andrew Sachs incident revealed Russell Brand to be an odious fuckwit, I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire, much less listen to anything he has to say.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:39am
- Surely Knott
  
  That would be the same Russell Brand who said that he’s never been alone with his kids for 24 hours. Only looked after them while they’re asleep. “Yes, I’m very, very focused on the mystical connotations of Mabel’s beauty and grace. Not so good on the nappies and making sure that they eat food.” ……. He’s such a tool. Why do the media (and the Labour party) elevate people like this.
  
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  February 5, 2019 11:18am
  - waikatogirl
    
    “……. He’s such a tool. Why do the media (and the Labour party) elevate people like this.”
    
    He’s one of their own. ?
    
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    February 5, 2019 11:40am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Apartment Approvals Fell 40% Last Quarter … The Urban Developer

https://theurbandeveloper.com/articles/construction-supply-and-demand-on-housing-affordability

Building approvals figures, released on Monday, defied predictions and fell to their lowest levels since 2013.

The ABS data was released on the morning of the banking royal commission final report, adding to growing housing market unease.

Approvals declined by 8.4 per cent in December from a month earlier, and by 22.5 per cent from a year earlier.

Apartment approvals was hit even harder: experiencing a 40.1 per cent fall for the quarter. Approvals to build apartments fell by 18.8 per cent in December, following an 18.3 per cent drop in November.

“The boom in approvals of apartments is now over,” HIA principal economist Tim Reardon said. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Approvals for new homes fall amid property price slump … Sydney Morning Herald

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/approvals-for-new-homes-fall-amid-property-price-slump-20190204-p50vn2.html
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Hayne Royal Commission In The News

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=hayne+royal+commission&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzx7PqgaPgAhXOdn0KHVwSBQkQ_AUIDigB&biw=462&bih=410
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February 5, 2019 10:39am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Aussies need at least $160k salary to buy a home in most Sydney and Melbourne suburbs … News com au
  
  https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/banking/aussies-need-at-least-160k-salary-to-buy-a-home-in-most-sydney-and-melbourne-suburbs/news-story/b7d86228772a2eac2dfb58ad532ff035
  
  The shocking truth about home ownership in capital Australian cities has been revealed. The odds are you’ll never be able to afford it. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  Permits to build new apartments plunge by 38 per cent in a year due to housing price slump | Daily Mail Online
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6667273/Permits-build-new-apartments-plunge-38-cent-year-housing-price-slump.html
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  2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
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  February 5, 2019 1:03pm
  - Cobolt24
    
    I hope you’ve seen the latest 60 minutes in Australia? A must watch!
    Featuring Martin North.
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    https://vimeo.com/315073090/7018adc9e5
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    February 5, 2019 1:24pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Many thanks Cobolt … I will distribute this now.
      
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      February 5, 2019 1:51pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Capitulation in Australia ? …
        
        Surge in properties for sale as buyers go on strike
        The Australian-1 hour ago (behind paywall)
        
        The number of homes on the market in Melbourne, Sydney and Canberra has surged from a year ago as buyers go on strike on the wake of …
        
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        February 5, 2019 3:47pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/arderns-kiwibuild-turns-epic-kiwibust/#comment-3282752
        
        What on earth is the academic Arthur Grimes thinking ? …
        
        Despite recent set-backs KiwiBuild says its mass produced housing plans are still on-track | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/97954/despite-recent-set-backs-kiwibuild-says-its-mass-produced-housing-plans-are-still
        
        Didn’t he learn anything from the “British lesson’ …
        
        Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4
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        Ardern’s Kiwibuild turns epic ‘Kiwibust’ – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/arderns-kiwibuild-turns-epic-kiwibust/
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        Stacey Kirk: KiwiBuild noose tightens; Labour’s flagship policy is a dead duck | Opinion | | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110100092/stacey-kirk-kiwibuild-noose-tightens-labours-flagship-policy-is-a-dead-duck
        
        OPINION: When project deadlines start blowing out, its only ever downhill from there.
        
        Longer delays, greater costs, more corners being cut to try and get it back on track.
        
        KiwiBuild was never going to be able to reach the milestones the Government had set – not without significant reform of the Resource Management Act. And yet, it could prove to be the most unforgiving policy to get wrong. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        February 5, 2019 6:06pm
      - Cobolt24
        
        What’s up in Taupo? DIGITAL FINANCIAL ANALYTICS:
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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btM4Qi2fv-U
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This is priceless..

In response to MMA’s suggestion above to me that I should vote for a party that wants to do away with the Principles of the ToW.. I thought I’d check out how our adherence to the Declaration of Human Rights ties in with the ToW….
so I went to the NZ Human Rights Commission site . and clicked on the link entitled
“Read more about human rights and the Treaty of Waitangi here”

and discovered this:
https://www.hrc.co.nz/your-rights/indigenous-rights/our-work/human-rights-and-treaty-waitangi/
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February 5, 2019 10:46am
- fernglas
  
  If you got the same response as me, that the page doesn’t exist, and thought that meant that there was nothing on the policy, look at the bottom. There is a little red button you can click on which says “back to home”. England here I come.
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:53am
- Dave Mann
  
  I just clicked on your link, but I was told that the page doesn’t exist! I wonder why?
  
  Maybe they don’t want their racist priveliges to be discovered by white men? 😀
  
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  February 5, 2019 10:55am
  - KevOB
    
    Turned off for Te Tiriti whakapakeha fui?
    
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    February 5, 2019 2:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  This link seems to work though:
  https://www.hrc.co.nz/our-work/indigenous-rights/our-work/
  But I agree that it must be a unique experience to find a broken link on a website.
  
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  February 5, 2019 11:02am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I agree that it must be a unique experience to find a broken link on a website
    
    Thanks Mike. I notice that you almost always get a preponderance of downticks whatever you write and that’s a pity. I appreciate your humour. Although you’re a stinking leftard, you often make some good points and if I am assigned to your firing squad when the VRWC takes over, I think I’ll just load up a blank! 😀 😀 😀
    
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    February 5, 2019 11:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    I’m familiar with the site.
    Great that every NZer’s human rights are protected in modern legislation…
    it’s just those nebulous principles and obligations of Tof W that seem to be a bit elusive.
    
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    February 5, 2019 11:40am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I find it a little bit curious that someone who seems to know a fair a bit about many subjects should find post-1984 Treaty basics so mysterious.
      
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      February 5, 2019 11:54am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It is very curious. (Though I do know the 3 Articles)
        
        That is why I would like to see a clear, unequivocal rendition of the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
        
        Perhaps you could provide us with the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi as Jacinda and her CoL understand them.
        (oh …and a quick resume of the Obligations of the ToW wouldn’t go amiss either)
        
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        February 5, 2019 1:21pm
      - KH
        
        There are no “principles” of the treaty. There is just a treaty.
        
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        February 5, 2019 2:37pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Well the main thing I remember from when I did have to study up on it for a uni course was this: the Maori and English versions were not the same and some of the concepts clear to the English may not have been culturally familiar to the Maori. And vice versa.
        
        Nor was it clear exactly what meaning some of the Maori words had for the specific tribes participating, as there were regional differences.
        
        So neither side really knew what the other thought they were agreeing to.
        
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        February 5, 2019 2:59pm
  - Inandout
    
    As Lindsay Perigo used to say…The Human Wrongs Commission.
    
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    February 5, 2019 12:26pm
    - Jack5
      
      Or the Human Rorts Commission.
      
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      February 5, 2019 12:44pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Like Cindy, it is unclear what the NZ Human Rights Commission believe are your human rights and the Treaty of Waitangi. ?
  
  Typical govt department, waiting for clarification I suspect.
  
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  February 5, 2019 11:44am
DigNap15

Some good Catch Phrases
Jacinda What Does That Mean Ardern
We’re reclibrating some of our targets and election promises. We’re giving up on the rest.
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February 5, 2019 11:22am
RW Capitalist

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12185490
I seem to remember weeks of hyperventilating from the MSM when this kind of thing happened under National.
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February 5, 2019 11:36am
- BeaB
  
  And the media would have shown John Key over and over again not knowing the principles of the Treaty, having Willie Jackson of all people prompting him and then mispronouncing BOTH principles!
  It would be imprinted on the national consciousness and lampooned relentlessly on The Project and Seven Days but Cindy floats above us all in the ether with her adoring fans still gazing besottedly.
  Like yet another silly old drooler Bryan Gould writing about his ‘beacon’ in The Herald this morning.
  
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  February 5, 2019 11:44am
  - kowtow
    
    The media certainly did that to Don Brash when they realised he was a threat after his refreshingly honest and forthright Orewa speech . ( Note how all arms of the media still refer to it as “notorious”, notorious to who?)
    
    They went feral to smash him and they succeeded.
    
    His use of the word “mainstream” was similarly hammered by them.
    
    They are not honest actors in this game of politics.
    
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    February 5, 2019 12:45pm
softail 1450

You know you’re in trouble intellectually when you need that Rhodes scholar Willie Jackson to stand behind you and prompt you into saying the right thing (according to Willie).
Ardern is just another talking head along the lines of AOC ,Elizabeth warren,Maxine waters,Kamala Harris,they can say any god damn thing they like because the media are in their pockets.
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February 5, 2019 11:37am
Lee C

‘Cow Wanga tanga’

Said it all. Cows don’t have wangas.
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February 5, 2019 11:38am
Monique Watson

Ardern defending rising dole numbers and indicates it’s a good thing more are caught by the welfare trap, sorry I mean net:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12200996
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February 5, 2019 11:54am
Jack5

We’re lucky keas survived …

In the Otago Daily Times “100 Years Ago” column today, a request is reprinted from Otago-Southland’s Lakes County to Bruce Country seeking its help in getting a subsidy from the Government for killing keas.

Lakes County wanted the Government to pay a bounty of three shillings per kea killed in addition to two shillings per kea paid by the county council and five shillings per kea paid by the Lakes Kea Club.

Bruce County councillors voted 6-4 to reject the request. Not because of sympathy for keas or wish to save them, but because “it was wrong in principle to run to the Government for everything.
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February 5, 2019 12:43pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  They knew those naughty birds would strip the rubber around your windshield one day!
  
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  February 5, 2019 3:05pm
stephieboy

What did the beaver say to the tree?

It’s been nice gnawing you.

???????????????
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February 5, 2019 1:18pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpaOy8b8X6A
  
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  February 5, 2019 1:26pm
- Jack5
  
  ? Been chewing khat again, Stephie X? ???
  
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  February 5, 2019 1:27pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Galah, you need to leave the comedy to others.
  It isn’t your thing.
  
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  February 5, 2019 1:40pm
- MrTips
  
  You been travelling on the Canni-Bus going to see your mate High-Pitch-Derek SB?
  
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  February 5, 2019 1:59pm
- Dave Mann
  
  Come on people…. lighten up. That was quite funny! 😀
  
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  February 5, 2019 2:11pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Good enough for a Christmas cracker sb. ?
    
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    February 5, 2019 8:16pm
- softail 1450
  
  septicboy,.?????????WTF? only an animal lover? ? ? ? ?❤️❤️❤️❤️ would understand that one septicboy…..
  
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  February 5, 2019 4:51pm
- All_on_Red
  
  What did the beaver say to the tree?
  
  You’ve got wood.
  
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  February 5, 2019 5:21pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Q: What did Stephieboy say to the beaver?
    A: [Censored – this is a family blog]
    
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    February 5, 2019 5:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The tragedies behind our Murder statistics.

Needless violence, booze, theft, repeat offender, learning problems.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/381776/15yo-haami-hanara-sentenced-to-life-for-murder-of-kelly-donner
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February 5, 2019 1:48pm
sooty

We can. Not forget all about Slease Gallopaway, in all the sidetracks of maori day! JacinDUH wants it covered up. But what does the bumbelled footed fool do! He stuffed up the instructions to hide the entertainment party drugs used by the lovies in Auckland, party leaders and camp followers, he pushed it out into the open for all to see and read between the lines of coke.
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February 5, 2019 1:49pm
secondcumming

FFS!!

I posted earlier here today about the vast number of *retards* that inhabit FACEBOOK ….
is any further proof required?

https://twitter.com/dollybird/status/1092499386322411520
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February 5, 2019 2:06pm
starboard

Courtesy of Hobsons Pledge. Don Brash, you are a fine Kiwi.

Brash: Treaty settlements won’t make Maori rich

“Most Maori New Zealanders will never become economically prosperous through Treaty settlements, Hobson’s Pledge spokesman Don Brash said today.

A total of $5-billion in financial redress invested at 5 percent would increase the annual income of each Maori New Zealander, of which there are 750,000, by the grand total of just $333, Dr Brash said.

“So, waiting around for that manna from heaven would be a tragic mistake,” he said.

“But for far too many Maori the Treaty settlements have delivered little or nothing – just walk down the main street of Huntly to see what I mean, despite the very substantial settlements which Tainui has received,” Dr Brash said.

“And to the extent that Maori New Zealanders have been lulled into the false notion that their prosperity will be assured once the Treaty settlement has been made, the long-drawn-out settlement process has almost certainly done lasting damage to the economic well-being of Maori,” he said.

“That was one of the two reasons why, when I was National Party leader last decade, I committed the next National Party Government to a policy involving one further year to lodge a grievance and a maximum of five further years to resolve all outstanding grievances,” Dr Brash said.

“The other reason why I wanted to put a finite deadline on the settlement process was because I knew that the longer the process dragged on, the more impatient the Pakeha community would become, wrongly believing that a high proportion of all tax revenue would be devoted to compensation,” he said.

Dr Brash also showed how positive discrimination, originally intended to lift the incomes of Maori New Zealanders, which on average lagged behind those of other New Zealanders, ruins motivation.

“What on earth could be more demotivating than to be told, again and again and again, that your poor education, your poor housing, your low income or inability to get a job is not your responsibility at all – it’s the fault of a grossly unfair system arising from injustices done to some of your great-grandparents by some of your other great-grandparents? Dr Brash said

“And, a great many New Zealanders reject any notion that the Treaty of Waitangi created a “partnership” between Maori and the Crown, a partnership which has been described as absurd by politicians as different as David Lange and Winston Peters,” he said.

“Yet this is the interpretation which is more and more taken as the foundation of Government policy”, he said.”

The full text of Dr Brash’s speech may be read at https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/brash_at_waitangi_where_to_now

Hobson’s Pledge Trust
http://www.hobsonspledge.nz/
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February 5, 2019 2:41pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Did Hobson actually make any such pledge?
  
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  February 5, 2019 3:08pm
  - Inandout
    
    Was the treaty meant to be twisted and turned to be written into every statute and law in NZ?
    
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    February 5, 2019 3:21pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I was just reading the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Act 2006 and could not find any reference to the treaty, so I guess the answer to your question might be ‘no’.
      
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      February 5, 2019 3:24pm
      - starboard
        
        ” was just reading the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Act 2006 ”
        
        Of course you were..you have no life.
        Muppet.
        
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        February 5, 2019 4:13pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Did Hobson actually make any such pledge?
    
    Yes. At the signing of the treaty Governor Hobson said ‘He iwi tahi tatou…. We are one people.”
    
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    February 5, 2019 3:29pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It seems that is not so clear:
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/30-11-2017/debunking-the-one-people-myth-a-historian-on-the-invention-of-hobsons-pledge/
      
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      February 5, 2019 3:30pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Its not really important whether Hobson actually said these exact words to each and every one of the signatories or not. I happen to think he probably did… but even if this wasn’t the literal truth, it was reported by Colenso to have happened.
        
        Colenso was actually there. He was a contemporary of Hobson, and these words are sufficient in themselves to convey the spirit in which this treaty was signed at the time.
        
        Obviously Hobson didn’t just go out and set up a treaty all by himself and grab some random Maoris to sign it. It was a concerted effort by both European settlers and Maoris to form a cohesive nation which would move forward as one.
        
        Sadly this cohesion didn’t last. Both parties gave it their best shot…. but nowadays a visitor to our country would be forgiven for believing that these poor indigenous people were decimated by the evil white man and their beautiful civilisation (complete with soaring architecture, science, music, mathematics, civil governance, poetry and philosophy) was heartlessly crushed out of existence.
        
        The Spinoff. A ‘Maori historian’….. says it all.
        
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        February 5, 2019 4:26pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Are you not aware of Dr Danny Keenan’s background, MMA?
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3195561/Witis-publisher-in-fresh-plagiarism-dispute
        
        His brother ripped off his iwi’s trust money for at least $685,000.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/103778953/former-cop-pleads-guilty-to-49-theftrelated-charges
        
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        February 5, 2019 4:56pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Dave
        You didn’t find anything credible in Keenan’s doubts about the ‘pledge’?
        Maggy
        How does his plagiarism or his brother’s fraud cast doubt on his observation that it was unlikely that Hobson ever made such a pledge?
        
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        February 5, 2019 5:20pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @MMA
        
        Hey, just letting you know that I do try and keep up-to-date with some post-1984 Maori history.
        
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        February 5, 2019 5:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @MMA..
        as you know, I am not a historian… but I know the work of NZ historians…
        Dr Claudia Orange is the expert on Tof W…
        
        Orange notes that ‘As each Maori signed, he shook hands with Hobson (and with the other members
        of the official party), the Lieutenant Governor repeating, “He iwi tahi tatou” – which Colenso translated
        as “We are now one people.”
        
        Now that’s a quote from the official material put out by the Waitangi Treaty Ground.
        https://www.waitangi.org.nz/dl/William-Colenso-Account-Dramatised.pdf
        
        You’re the chap with the history degree, I gather…
        Who should I believe – Colenso & Dr Orange or Dr Danny Keenan?
        
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        February 5, 2019 6:24pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Maggy, you are in danger of treating historical arguments in the same way you engage in discourse on climate change – picking your expert carefully.
        No one historian could be the expert on the treaty, and I am sure that Dame Claudia would be the first to acknowledge that.
        From Keenan’s article, it seems to be that there are reasonable grounds to think that Colenso’s account of the signing, written in 1890, might not be accurate in all its particulars.
        But this is another illustration of the rich source of irony that is Kiwiblog. Dame Claudia is a frequent target, along with James Belich, of accusations that modern historians have distorted the ‘true’ history of New Zealand. So it’s great to see someone appreciating Dame Claudia’s work.
        
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        February 5, 2019 8:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @MMA
        
        as you must be aware,
        I worked for some years with a number of NZ historians.
        They worked to the same standard as scientists…
        collect evidence, examine evidence, put hypotheses to the test (i.e. peer review).
        
        Danny Keenan has collated a lot of negative “evidence” (i.e. … these other folks didn’t notice what Hobson said); the crux of his hypothesis seems to be that Colenso was 80 when he wrote things down.
        
        Come up with Keenan’s peer-reviewed, published paper on the topic, and I will consider it… not YOUR cherry-picked opinion piece from “The spinoff”.
        
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        February 5, 2019 8:48pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        What a cop out. It’s so funny to read a climate change ;skeptic’ standing up for peer review in the social ‘sciences’.
        But I get what you are trying to say: neither of us have read widely enough in 1840s history, both European and Maori accounts, to be sure what Capt Hobson might or might not have said that day. Even if we were so learned, we would probably still be unsure whether he did actually make such a romantic utterance.
        
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        February 5, 2019 8:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You just can’t stick to the topic under discussion can you MMA?
        
        You have to erect strawmen fallacies against me.
        
        I don’t accept that Climate Science is a settled science… Hundreds of scientific papers have been published to show that the IPCC models are crap.
        
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        February 5, 2019 9:05pm
- stigie
  
  Thanks for that starboard, a great speech by Brash !~
  Now what is Milky’s problem again..?
  
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  February 5, 2019 3:25pm
  - Poppa
    
    Brash hits the nail on the head.
    
    Thanks Starboard. Not that I will read it, but, I am willing to put plenty on the fact that the PM speech will be almost incoherent in comparison. She is an complete embarrassment
    
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    February 5, 2019 3:42pm
  - starboard
    
    Lol..mm can suck my fat one stigie, apparently he loves dick. Bwawhahahaah ! Now watch him run and tell DPF that I abused him! The Slimy little dirtbag.
    
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    February 5, 2019 4:08pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Starboard:
      
      I haven’t seen your mate Scott Chris at Kiwiblog for a while. You haven’t got him chained up in a BDSM dungeon somewhere, have you? 🙂
      
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      February 5, 2019 5:34pm
      - stigie
        
        Shit no Nostra, he hasn’t finished with Milky’s mumma as of yet ?
        The servicing continues !~
        
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        February 5, 2019 5:38pm
      - starboard
        
        Last I heard his car grooming business had gone to the wall and he was back living with his intellectually handicapped sister. Poor bugger.
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:12pm
V

Time for Waitangi day bingo?
Drink everytime you see:
* overweight Maori woman with a loudhailer.
* people at a formal occasion dressed in ripped gym atire.
* mindless chanting and thigh slapping.
* Maoris yelling when others are trying to speak.
etc.
Thats probably enough to be hospitalised right there.
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February 5, 2019 4:30pm
- starboard
  
  The murri haka… ” wheres me wallet, wheres me wallet”
  Thank fuck I’m not in the country to witness the 6th of February. Dirty ferals baring their brown bottoms and poking out their filthy tongues.
  February 6. Not my national day.
  
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  February 5, 2019 4:38pm
  - stigie
    
    I never detected any racism at all in Brash’s speech, but if you’re dedicated to the gravy train, there is plenty wrong with it and totally racist !~
    
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    February 5, 2019 5:04pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Luckily you can come to Kiwiblog for the racist comments you wanted.
      
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      February 5, 2019 5:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The racist comments do seem to be getting worse
        
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        February 5, 2019 5:27pm
      - nasska
        
        From what I’ve observed they’re in direct proportion to the ravings of the gimmes.
        
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        February 5, 2019 5:30pm
- softail 1450
  
  V , ha,ha,he,he LOL, you’ll be pissed before 5am especially if you shop at a south auckland pak and save with a 24 hr liquor license….
  
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  February 5, 2019 4:57pm
Morrissey

“If hosting an international sporting event is more important than safeguarding the interests of our Palestinian brothers and sisters, than we have lost our moral compass.”

As Malaysia and Ireland Find Out, You Stand Up for Palestinian Rights at Your Peril…

https://www.globalresearch.ca/as-malaysia-and-ireland-find-out-you-stand-up-for-palestinian-rights-at-your-peril/5667523
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February 5, 2019 5:03pm
Morrissey

Fraudulent. Busted by Johnny Carson.

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2019/02/03/the-state-of-israel-in-a-nutshell/
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February 5, 2019 5:14pm
starboard

SLG’s anxiety levels must be MASSIVE right now…
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February 5, 2019 5:25pm
- nasska
  
  Small wonder considering the ritual humiliation she faces from the agro part-Maori retards at Waitangi tomorrow.
  
  Suck it up PriNZess. You put your hand up for the job.
  
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  February 5, 2019 5:33pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Jacinda could take a leaf out of Helen’s book and pour on the waterworks!
    
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    February 5, 2019 5:37pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Titiwhai instigated that. I think she was correct in doing so. Sexist Moaridom
      
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      February 5, 2019 5:40pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Won’t be long before she has a thermonuclear meltdown, and throws in the towel
  
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  February 5, 2019 5:38pm
Steve (North Shore)

Anyway, never mind all this Moari whining.
What is The Don going to say in his SOTU speech? Or has Pelosi fucked with the timing again?
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February 5, 2019 5:42pm
nasska

Helen Clark in 2009 & John Key in 2016 showed the way when they refused to attend “celebrations” at the lower marae at Waitangi. If Maori wish to turn a national holiday into their grievance day then let them get on with it. It wouldn’t be much fun for them if non Maori refused to play the game & told them to get stuffed.
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February 5, 2019 5:42pm
stigie

A pledge to you all, this won’t put you off your dinner !~

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Helen_Clark.jpg
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February 5, 2019 6:12pm
- nasska
  
  It bears a vague resemblance to someone I’ve seen somewhere before. 🙂
  
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  February 5, 2019 6:17pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  Help me out here. Is that an ad for teeth whitener?
  
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  February 5, 2019 6:35pm
- secondcumming
  
  Still would.
  
  Just saying…..
  
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  February 5, 2019 6:42pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Secondcumming:
    
    This will help you with your appetite – a real life example of why we should eat as much as possible!
    
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    February 5, 2019 6:45pm
    - nasska
      
      Dear God! Is there a man, a woman, a beast or a machine around to mate with that?
      
      How could anyone have so little respect for themselves that they’d get to such a state?
      
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      February 5, 2019 7:05pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Is there a man, a woman, a beast or a machine around to mate with that?
        
        Help is here! From the Kiwiblog archives:
        
        Me: I see that Kim Dotcom is dating a business and law student.
        
        Nasska: It must be a platonic relationship Nostra. Try as I may I cannot envisage a position where Dotcom’s gut wouldn’t make sex impossible. Probably they just hold hands & watch KFC ads on the TV.
        
        RF: I once saw a film about Ivanhoe that showed a knight dressed in heavy armour being slowly lowered onto his horse by a block and tackle affair suspended from a wood tripod. I presume Slob Dot Com has a high bedroom ceiling.
        
        Nasska: It would take the spontaneity out of the romance RF. I can imagine the preparations: Condom….check, KY….check, six strong men with a block & tackle…..check. Still if humpback whales procreate then maybe it’s possible. Does Chez Dotcom have a swimming pool?
        
        So the answer to your question, Nasska, is yes!
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:16pm
      - nasska
        
        I stand corrected Nostra.
        
        Check list #2: Bag of flour & a means of rolling chubby in same to indicate a point of entry! 🙂
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:22pm
      - stigie
        
        Point of entry could possibly be a fat roll..?
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:28pm
      - nasska
        
        More likely to be located between fat rolls stigie. Alternatively you could always pull back the rolls of flab until you smell shit then go back one. 🙂
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:31pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        you could always pull back the rolls of flab until you smell shit then go back one
        
        Different strokes for different folks old chap. For some it’d be a case of not “go back one” but “full steam ahead”!
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:35pm
      - stigie
        
        “Different strokes for different folks old chap.”
        
        Im expecting an entry from Johnboy any moment now ?
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:38pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        What kind of “entry” are you expecting from Johnboy? Oh you mean entry on to this thread. What was I thinking!
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:50pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stigie
        
        Im expecting an entry from Johnboy any moment now ?
        
        Not literally, please God.
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:50pm
      - stigie
        
        You’re safe with Nasska, Nostra and myself Maggy !~
        
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        February 5, 2019 7:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I fear that I’ve been contaminated.
        
        Very spooky to realise that my thoughts coincided with those of Nostradamus
        
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        February 5, 2019 8:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Mr cumming, you are obviously a very sick man.
    But i like you 🙂
    
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    February 5, 2019 7:28pm
    - secondcumming
      
      One of my favorite pastimes is standing in the Produce Section of Countdown with a tube of KY Jelly in my hand……looking contemplative.
      
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      February 5, 2019 7:40pm
stigie

With a name like that Maggie pie, satisfaction comes to mind..?
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February 5, 2019 7:33pm
Rachael Membery

Tv three again, good on the complainant about polls being manipulated.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12201159

I do read the herald and Stuff, if anyone remembers there was a January post saying that I no longer did, there was a ghost writer that day.
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February 5, 2019 8:54pm
graham

Oh, how stupid.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12200933

“Adam Levine’s Super Bowl nipple reveal prompts backlash”

“Adam Levine’s … peeled off the busy brown shirt and the snark turned to outrage over his exposed nipples.

The bare-chested moment had some feminists and Janet Jackson supporters focused on how male and female nipples are treated differently in life, especially on network TV and by the NFL years after Jackson’s career was derailed by a split-second halftime reveal.”

Newsflash, boys and girls – male and female nipples are treated differently in life, because they ARE different. Men and women are different. And I don’t care how much you try to pretend it isn’t so, that’s all you have – pretending.

Honestly, what is it with morons who try to pretend that men and women should be treated EXACTLY the same in EVERY SINGLE situation? How many times do we have to state the bleedin’ obvious? Men and women ARE DIFFERENT. Accept it and get over yourselves.
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