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mikenmildagain

Happy World Cancer Day everyone.
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February 4, 2019 8:03am
- MT_Tinman
  
  We’re celebrating rust now?
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:05am
- srylands
  
  Thanks
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:05am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  If only Pharmac was interested in actually funding life preserving or extending drugs. Come to think of it, that $100m the Northern Masturbator is about to give to Iwi for “land development” would go a long way to fund cancer treatments.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Yes, Pharmac only spends $1 billion a year. How much more do you reckon would do the trick?
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:21am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      And usually spend well within their budget. In other words, every dollar they don’t spend impacts on someone’s health. But hey, erectile disfunction pills and HIV vaccines for promiscuous men are obviously far more important.
      
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      February 4, 2019 8:30am
      - softail 1450
        
        Salacious Crumb, funny you should mention that ,the AIDS foundation have set a time for the elimination of HIV from NZ of 2025.
        Its fantastic news, no FAGG diseases and on the same date no fags FFS.
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:45am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Sadly most new cancer drugs work best for a limited subset of patients, and then they extend survival times by 6 months to a year. Very few ever cure though there are promising therapies (not just drugs) that do offer that potential. Long touted as a panacea for cancer (which is really best thought of as a number of different ailments under one broad heading) immune therapy may be at last starting to emerge as a viable option.
      
      The most common method is to analyze the DNA of the cancer, craft antibodies to that specific cell lineage, multiply the appropriate immune cells outside the body then infuse them back in. In trials with Melanoma (which once it metastasizes is generally pretty lethal) over 50% of those in trials have experienced complete remission. Major drawback – it is very expensive.
      
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      February 4, 2019 8:43am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Agreed but the major flaw in the Pharmac method is they want new drugs at rock bottom prices. The sort of prices that only come about once drugs come of patent and generics enter the market. More than one company has offered on-patent medicines to Pharmac at hugely reduced prices for guaranteed marketshare beyond patent expiry. Something Pharmac refuses to consider. End result; a huge delay in the latest medicines being available.
        
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        February 4, 2019 8:49am
      - Ed Snack
        
        If we really wanted to, we could spend probably 10-20 x the entire current Pharmac budget on drugs, and still make at best a marginal improvement in treatment.
        
        Given that we don’t have unlimited money for this, some decisions have to be made somewhere in regard to what the money we do have is spent on. And although new cancer drugs are great news stories, they are actually rarely curative. They extend life by months to at most a couple of years and can often reduce side effects – so improve the quality of life. We should be funding as much as we can afford, but that is a decision that someone has to make.
        
        My opinion (FWIW) is that improved drugs are a palliative and aren’t the way forward. Strategies such as immuno-therapy do seem to be more promising for real gains and maybe more effort should be directed that way. These are often marketed as “drugs” but the effect comes from the combination of DNA analysis and targeting the cancer dna.
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:38am
    - srylands
      
      About $500 million.
      
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      February 4, 2019 8:47am
    - pentwig
      
      milkmaid
      so what do you value human life as?
      shouldn’t everybody be treated equally no matter what their ailment?
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:49am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Yes, but cost restrictions do apply. Would you spend $1M a day to save (or extend by that one day) one life ? Maybe you would, but for 100 people, 1,000, 10,000 ?
        
        Like it or not, in practice rationing of medical is required in some form.
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:48am
  - Tarquin North
    
    I don’t think Pharmac are trying to buy a seat in the next election.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:39am
  - alloytoo
    
    While I agree that an awful amount of money is being wasted by this current government, I don’t think we should confuse their intentions and actions with those of the people in our dedicated agencies.
    
    Pharmac and our DHB’s resources will always be limited and I have no doubt that the vast majority managing those resources are making a best effort.
    
    There are however a few areas which could do with some obvious attention.
    
    1. Reinstate targets and benchmarks for healthcare. You can’t improve or fix what you can’t measure.
    
    2. Consolidate the DHB’s into 4-5 nationwide.
    
    3. Look to standardizing protocols for certain treatment types, looking to roll out best practices nationwide.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:40am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Looks like it has only taken 18 months of this CoL to have us trending back to te Clark years, where we were sending our cancer patients to Australia.
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:38am
  - KH
    
    Pharmac is a great approach to a difficult problem. It makes decisions that are genuinely hard to make and thats rare in our government. If you think a decision is wrong, argue it on the facts. But celebrate the organisation itself and don’t undermine it, because Pharmac is an asset to New Zealand.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:40am
    - kevn
      
      @KH… Shame the Nurses pay increase was sucked out the Pharmac budget.
      
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      February 4, 2019 8:42am
      - stephieboy
        
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        kevn, so Nurses should get paid a pittance to treat and care for those very same cancer patients?
        
        Sucked out of Pharmac budget?
        
        Evidence?
        
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        February 4, 2019 9:43am
      - sooty
        
        Do your own homework. Stoopidboy.
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:36am
- Monique Watson
  
  Fuck Offsky.Cancer is a serious matter.
  It’s SuperBowl Sunday.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:27am
  - Biscuit
    
    Mmm, Monique!
    
    Could be a bad day for Rams owner Stan Kroenke.
    
    He also owns Arsenal, and that bunch got done 1-3 at Manchester City this a.m.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:46am
    - Monique Watson
      
      I know, right? Everyone I’m celebrating with is rooting for the Patriots.
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:19am
      - Biscuit
        
        Not me, Monique.
        
        Tom Brady rates only slightly ahead of the CoL in this house!
        
        Just in case it happens, I’ll brag that I have CJ Anderson as the game’s stars (First TD, More than one TD etc) and the Rams winning by, oh, 4…
        
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        February 4, 2019 9:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Maybe the Super Bowl would be a good time for Americans to come together and think about beating cancer.
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:19am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Didn’t Nixon declare war on cancer ?
      
      There’s a huge amount of research on cancer, and except for some relatively rare types, consistent cures are unknown.
      
      Some can be “cured” by surgery if detected before metastasis – Colon Cancer, Melanoma, Prostate, Breast for example. After metastasis, very little chance of a cure regardless of the drugs used.
      
      Progress is being made in a number of areas – importantly research is still finding out just what “cancer” is, what causes it, why (and how) it spreads, and importantly – why the body stops suppressing it. There is probably no shortcut to this, we still need to understand better the mechanisms before we can come up with actual workable cures. For my money the immuno-therapy line of research is the most promising – it has been around for some time and not made a lot of headway but recent research has elucidated some major roadblocks and recent trials have shown very promising results.
      
      This is not particularly helpful for those who could currently have a life extension from newer drugs, or have a better quality of life. But practically, there’s little current useful alternative other than higher taxation for this specific purpose.
      
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      February 4, 2019 11:59am
  - kevn
    
    @septicboys… Pittance? Really?
    JA quite happy to chuck 100 million to be pissed away on megamulti owned neglected land, projects that will come to naught. History tells us that it will be so.
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:57am
- Jack5
  
  Another anniversary today that will make some of us feel old.
  
  It’s 45 years ago today since Patty Hearst, daughter of the American newspaper publisher William Randolph Hearst, was kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army, an American Leftist terror group.
  
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  February 4, 2019 3:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  From those that are suffering from the disease…
  
  go fuck yourself you ignorant arsehole.
  
  ardern is a liar and you support her, what kind of a freak does that make you mikey?
  
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  February 4, 2019 10:01pm
holysheet

I thought I had better post this now. The way the silly little girl is carrying on, I doubt she will last another month
Simon and Cindy are in a bar at the airport yet again. (Its less than ONE MONTH since the last time)
Simon leans over, and with a smile on his face, says, “I must say it’s most unusual, but the media here and overseas, are really tearing you apart again for that new scandal.”
Cindy: “You mean my releasing the emails just before I went overseas that prove I am a liar and that I did make ILG change his decision regarding Stroubek?”
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean all my denials that Hardcore and I are not mates is proven to be yet another lie?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean my denials about all my texts to and from known criminals?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean my acceptance of Twitfords constant fuckups with his Kiwibuild/Kiwibuy policy?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean the COL changing the rules and making it easier for unemployed ferals to continue getting the benefit without any sanctions on those who don’t seek work?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean my reply when asked how I take my coffee, I wanted to say intravenously?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean my Govt saying any business giving out plastic carry bags may be fined $100,000, when at the same time a drug dealer gets a free pass to stay in NZ?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean the “recalibration “ of our Kiwibuld targets to deflect how useless we are at getting 10,00 houses built in each year?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean declining to support our allies when they asked over Venezuelas new leader?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean at the iwi chair forum when I announced anther 4 million payment to yet another iwi group to duplicate the work already done by another iwi?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean my dead silence and not helping the Indian students after I promised to help, should Labour win the 2017 election?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean despite my saying “the first year is on me”and free fees from the taxpayer, student numbers at university have fallen?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean stopping us using our own coal, but when there is a need for it, we import dirty coal from Indonesia?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean having my back office in a state of flux, with a number of key staff leaving and forcing others to reapply for their jobs as a result of so called restructuring?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “You mean my Govt giving the Natives up north $100 million, to spend as they see fit, when pharmac cannot afford to pay for much needed cancer drugs?
Simon: “No, the other one.”
Cindy: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I’ve got it! You mean my not ruling out a red meat tax in New Zealand, despite the Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter saying simply that it was not under consideration “at this stage”?
Simon: “THAT’S IT! I almost forgot about that one”
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February 4, 2019 8:05am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  That list is almost as long as Clarke’s self disclosed “number of successful relationships”.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:11am
  - Biscuit
    
    Salacious, that reminds me of the ‘Friends’ shit.
    
    The girls are bemoaning the jerks they keep going out with.
    
    ‘Nothing was worse than the ‘I Win!’ guy’.
    ‘I Win! I Win!’
    I went out with him for 3 months and didn’t get to win once…’
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:55am
- Viking2
  
  Keep it up. I post it to FB everytime I see it. 😆
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:27am
- kevn
  
  @Holy…. ‘O’ for awesome.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:44am
- hullkiwi
  
  We need another one of KiWombat’s long lists of lies, broken promises, failed policies and policies needing recalibration.
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:13am
  - KiWombat
    
    OK – Just because you asked so nicely – lets go:-
    
    It’s beginning to look as though MeTu had at least an iota of common decency about her – she was prepared to fall on her sword when her indiscretions became known to the wider electorate, although she did wait until it became more than just warm in the kitchen – but –
    
    Eugenie Sage met with either a man from the EPA or a woman from the Ministry for Environment – not sure which – she should have gone to Specsavers !
    
    Sage didn’t really blame the Overseas Investment Act for signing away rights to water, that was just a misunderstanding which was cleared up as soon as she read her copy of the act –
    
    And did she really mean to refer to hunters opposing her tahr cull as “cunters?” Spose she must have, there was never an apology –
    
    Sage couldn’t blame John Key for the sale of Mount White station to a Czech National – It was her signature on the OIO documents –
    
    Acting PM WeeWinnie didn’t really select a NZ First Minister to be responsible for the inquiry into former NZ First candidate Wally Haumaha’s selection as deputy police commissioner, and then appoint one of Haumaha’s “bro’s” to head that inquiry – they just drew the names from the hat in the wrong order –
    
    Tracey Martin didn’t really claim that Kingi had vouched for Haumana 16 years ago on LinkedIn, 10 years before that LinkedIn function had even been invented – the “teen” was just a slip of the tongue – again –
    
    Clare Curran didn’t arrange a meeting, that was just another unfortunate misunderstanding –
    
    – neither did she warn anybody away from attending a Parliamentary Select Committee – that was just an unfortunate misinterpretation –
    
    – nor was she involved in a committee that she established not keeping minutes because they could be OIA’d – another misconstruction of the facts –
    
    – nor did she secretly hire Derek Handley as chief technology officer, and force the Government into paying out $107,000 to him whilst they did a re-think –
    
    – and of course she didn’t really use her gmail account to keep information out of the public domain, she was always intending to make that public as soon as Melissa Lee found out about it –
    
    WeeWinnie didn’t attempt to sue Bill English & Co – the media misinterpreted that as well –
    
    Cindy didn’t mean to say “A true mark of leadership is whether you front those mistakes“:- the camera was inadvertently rolling at the time –
    
    Cindy’s candidate for Northcote didn’t really claim to have earned an MBA, its just that his social media page forgot to mention that MBA actually stood for “Mega Bullshit Artist” –
    
    Cindy wasn’t solely responsible for burning 80,000kg of jet fuel so that she could get home in time to give the baybeee an evening meal, that plane just happened to be passing Nauru anyway – that baybeee was responsible for more greenhouse emissions before her first birthday than the average NZ family generates in their lifetime –
    
    Cindy’s lawnmower man/diary secretary Gay-ford didn’t really defend her cancelling appearances on two weekend current affairs programmes, he just knew better what he had forgotten to put in mummy’s diary –
    
    – and for any acceptable reason for Richie Hardcore having to make contact with her on her private cell phone number, well he could only have accidentally stumbled over that number somewhere –
    
    – and Cindy didn’t mean to be deliberately misleading by not mentioning she had already received Clare Curran’s resignation, she just hadn’t had sufficient time to get the spin doctors onto that story before going public –
    
    not to mention the PR company that she hired at (no doubt) enormous expense to catch baybeee photos whilst mummy and daddy were visiting the UN, I suppose there just wasn’t sufficient NZ media there to adequately capture her every move –
    
    David Clark didn’t try to bribe a DHB Chairman, he was just being nice offering him alternate employment – and quickly if he kept his mouth shut –
    
    David Clark also didn’t really go on an overseas holiday the day before the nurses strike began, he just had to attend to a “secret mission” that coincidentally included the wife and kids –
    
    Ron Mark didn’t misuse military aircraft, they just happened to be misguidedly passing his back porch –
    
    Tracey Martin didn’t deliberately avoid a meeting she had called with the 15 Oranga Tamariki CRF chairs, she had a “senior moment” that morning and forgot which hat she needed to put on –
    
    The government didn’t really try to short circuit the law for one of David Parker’s workmates, it was supposed to be koha for the local iwi –
    
    Angry Andy didn’t miscalculate the spending on his Criminal Justice Summit, it just happened that nobody told him that the “decadent gluten free chocolate brownie, pork apricot & thyme pastries and luxury pies were going to add $750,000 to the bill –
    
    and as for the $20,000+ temporary registration desk, can only wish Andy had phoned me for that, sure I could have managed to supply that complete with bikini clad clerks for half the price –
    
    Labour didn’t supply booze to underage children, their caterer just made an unfortunate miscalculation –
    
    Meka Fightery didn’t really lay hands on one of her staff, she was just gesticulating wildly in her office when somebody’s face got in the way – again –
    
    JAG didn’t mean to be nasty about old white men – we just got all confused about her terminology – after all there’s probably an “old white man” at the helm of her daily flight to work, isn’t there ?
    
    And she didn’t really mean to award contracts to her husband without tender or scrutiny, you must realise that she was suffering baby brain at the time –
    
    We didn’t really cancel oil and gas exploration – it’s just that we have found an ample supply of hot air in Wellington to compensate –
    
    Shame Jones was told his project feasibility study was a waste of money, but he unfortunately misread that and carried on regardless –
    
    Jenny Marcroft didn’t attempt to bribe Mark Mitchell, Mitchell became confused and misunderstood what she said –
    
    Cindy didn’t promise “no strikes on my watch” – that was just misreporting by TVNZ and should have been edited out –
    
    Similarly – she didn’t mean to say “no new taxes under Labour – but then the fuel taxes are mostly being applied by Councils anyway –
    
    Nobody put their hand down a kiddies pants at the Labour Youth Camp, somebody was just brushing the ants off their tush – another unfortunate misunderstanding –
    
    Twitford didn’t promise us 100,000 extra affordable new family homes – then have to re-define the term “year” – just another unfortunate miscalculation –
    
    Look out for Twitford re-defining the term “family home” in coming months, as much of the Kiwibuild product seems to be bedsits and 1br apartments – and yes there’s more, a parking space will only cost you an extra $50,000 –
    
    Likewise, Twitford was just suffering brain fade when he telephoned his staff from an aircraft, then stood and moved around the aircraft whilst it was taxi-ing – the witness just misunderstood what he saw –
    
    Shame Jones didn’t really promise 100,000,000 trees per year, this was an unfortunate misassessment, and in any case he couldn’t control the Autumn from hell –
    
    Paul Eagle didn’t attempt to bribe his local panel beater into committing insurance fraud – the poor panel beater unfortunately suffers from mistaken belief syndrome –
    
    and just when you think it can’t possibly get any worse, we introduce to you a Minister of Immigration who grants residency to a criminal illegal immigrant, currently in jail for drug smuggling –
    
    This agglomeration of misfits, misunderstandings, false impressions, misreadings, miscalculations, mistaken beliefs, slips of the tongue, misinterpretations, fuck ups, errors and mix-ups is beginning to get somewhat tedious. The time has come for one or two heads to roll.
    
    Cindy – lets do this !
    
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    February 4, 2019 11:08am
    - hullkiwi
      
      KiWombat,
      
      Thanks for that list. After only 16 months that list is getting long.
      
      I’ve got two more for the list though.
      
      1. The SLG did promise Maori 1,000 homes , but forgot to mention they’ll be built just as soon as they can work out how to build 100,000 KiwiBuild homes.
      
      And
      
      2. JAG a week ago was grateful for a report in the Lancet and the lobbying of Professor Swinburn for a red meat tax, which JAG said the government was looking at. A week later, she didn’t really mean the government was looking at it, because some in her office hadn’t got back to work properly and some wires got crossed.
      
      You could make this BS up if you tried.
      
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      February 4, 2019 12:53pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Good one hullky – if this was a book it could be a best seller !!
        
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        February 4, 2019 4:50pm
- namron
  
  Thanks Holy. Some great research has provided all these significant “fibs” and I’m giving you a “10”!
  I hope various Nat members read these and use them in Parliament at Question Time.
  [Just a week until the Parliament session starts and I reckon the Nats should have large amounts of ammunition for some very embarrassing questions.
  Thanks again
  
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  February 4, 2019 4:17pm
KevOB

A brief reflection on disrespect for law:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-02/paul-craig-roberts-exposes-lawless-government
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February 4, 2019 8:06am
- Inandout
  
  I loved the ‘presstitute’ reference to the CNN goon at Stone’s residence. This CNN crew were at the scene a good 30 minutes before the FBI arrived; Mueller arranged.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Do you find it a little ironic that the modern use of the ‘perp walk’ was popularised by Rudy Guiliani?
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:26am
- stephieboy
  
  KevOB, Paul Craig Roberts ?,
  
  “Mueller is not an agent of law. He is the agent of the military/security complex and the Democratic Party who intend to do away with Trump, because Trump positioned himself between them and their agendas.”
  
  BS!
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:46am
  - KevOB
    
    Do you support Mueller?
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:36am
    - Ed Snack
      
      One thing I find interesting is around Adam Schiff – current chair of the intelligence committee in the House.
      
      He, along with others, has supported the idea that lying to Congress should be prosecuted as perjury. Which is fine except that he is guilty of exactly this “crime” himself – and done so deliberately with intent to mislead.
      
      Schiff attended Bruce Ohr’s closed door testimony to Congress. In that testimony Ohr stated that he met with the FBI several times from July/September 2016 on with regard to parts of the Steele Dossier.
      
      Yet Schiff’s minority report letter on the impact of the dossier states that the FBI did not learn of the dossier and its source until November 2016. That is a lie, he knew it was a lie, yet he released his official minority report incorporating that lie with the intent to undermine the Majority report released by then Chairman Nunes.
      
      Sure, if you must prosecute Stone and others for lying to Congress, indict and charge Schiff with the same.
      
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      February 4, 2019 12:07pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m back steffy girl, disappointed to see you are still as dumb as a dog turd but hey
    
    not only is ardern is a liar..but she is as dumb as you.
    
    I’m surprised you can both breathe you’re so dumb, however
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:45pm
srylands

I don’t enjoy singing Waiata. Yet another issue to take to therapy. ?
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February 4, 2019 8:08am
- Psycho Milt
  
  No therapy needed. We should all take pride in our cultures, and in ours (assuming you’re White middle class), getting up and singing a song in front of everyone is like getting up and taking off your clothes in front of everyone – something strictly for paid professional entertainers. If we’re respecting each other’s cultures, Māori colleagues can learn to respect the fact that singing a waiata is a very strong DO NOT WANT in mine.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:44am
  - srylands
    
    It is not Māori colleagues who are the issue.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:50am
    - Lance
      
      I used to work as a general staff member (designing electronic things for research) in a Psychology Dept at a certain Uni
      There was a compulsory Maori awareness forum for a day, everyone attended except the one Maori in the dept. My junior tech who hated all things Maori, to him Maori culture was violence and abuse. He once quietly confided in me that his upbringing was remarkably like ‘Once were Warriors’.
      He was never challenged on not attending, anyone else would have probably been fired or at least censured.
      He was one of gentlest persons I have ever met BTW.
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:01am
      - Tall Man
        
        Not all carry the crap forward…
        
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        February 4, 2019 8:46pm
    - Jack5
      
      Compulsory singing! Does this happen anywhere-else in the world.
      
      Where are our satirists?
      
      The dream reaction: secretly learn Mongolian throat singing then blow their bicultural socks off.
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:56am
      - srylands
        
        Not compulsory singing. Just high level management and peer pressure.
        
        Seriously, it is not that I do not enjoy listening to waiata but being asked to sing I take objection to. I have no issue with learning a basic Maori welcome if I am meeting with Maori. That is respectful. But increasingly I am being asked to do this when meeting with non Maori groups. I won’t do that.
        
        I am very happy to respect Maori in a professional environment. However I sense that we are being pressured to do more than that which is to immerse in Maori language and culture. I respect the culture but it is not my culture.
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:58am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        I’m seeing that at my place too – Pākeha staff singing a waiata for the Pākeha staff member who’s leaving. Not seeing any peer pressure to join in yet, though.
        
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        February 4, 2019 12:40pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Never are..
      
      I have never had my poor Maori Pronunciation “corrected” by a fluent Maori speaker… only by white/pakeha wannabe authorities (who are usually unfamiliar with W(h)anganui dialect and my dreadful Kiwi twang).
      
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      February 4, 2019 1:40pm
- namron
  
  Since “waiata” use WESTERN harmonic music -[Maoris sang in monotones, until the Missionaries introduced Hyms in 1814] I wonder if Maoris shouldn’t pay a royalty every time a song is sung using Western harmonic structure.
  Srylands – we people with a western cultural background, naturally would be exempt!!
  
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  February 4, 2019 4:24pm
hullkiwi

How does splashing out $100m out the Regional Economic Growth Fund for Maori Land owners equal:

“When a minister came to the budget table seeking funds, they must be able to show how their spending proposal will improve in positive outcomes the wellbeing of people where that money is being spent”.

The above paraphrase Jacinda Ardern speaking 2 weeks ago on NZ’s yet to be seen Wellbeing budget.

How does throwing $100m to Maori equal the above. She says one thing for audience and something else when back home!
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February 4, 2019 8:09am
- Paulus
  
  Problem is that it is non accountable – no bills – no receipts.
  Just to friends !
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:15am
  - Komata
    
    Paulus
    
    A very accurate description of ‘Maori’ money.
    
    Everyone knows it exists, everyone knows that it went by, but try to find where it actually, eventually winds up?
    
    You might just as well try to catch the wind…
    
    (Don’t ask how I know).
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:21am
    - sooty
      
      It ended up down the local car franchise on one of them new cars. New tractor not so much.
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:43am
    - RF
      
      The Germans looting Paris could take some lessons from these pricks.
      
      Walking bird and her flock are bare faced liars.
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:03pm
- RiP NZ
  
  It is clearly for the well being of people, well, some people….well namely the Labour Party as they front up to Waitaingi and NZF as they buy a seat.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:15am
  - oldpark
    
    RiP NZ
    Especially Racist seats which prop up Peters selected Government. One would have thought with the Maori Economy at least 50 Billion Dollars, as against non Maori Economy circa 200 Billion Dollars why the fugh could it not come out of their own so called economy. Especially since that lot with around 15% of the population,could well afford it out of their Fifty Billion Dollars so called economy. Not out of our 85% of the Populations 200 Billion Dollar economy.Sounds like whats ours is theirs ,and whats theirs is not ours.Go figure.
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:09am
- Inandout
  
  And as Santa Shane says, most of the land is undeveloped; well basically Maori land. These tribal people rarely look after anything.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:22am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Perhaps things would have been betters had they been forced to sell all of their land.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:27am
  - Viking2
    
    Yep and unfortunately that is happening at Waikaremoana.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:30am
  - kevn
    
    @In Out… The other big problem is multiple owners. No-one can agree on anything, except not paying rates.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:48am
  - Ed Snack
    
    To be fair, a lot of the tribal land is back block marginal territory. However jointly owned land is often very difficult to develop successfully for a combination of reasons. Even within relatively small groups the “free rider” problem surfaces and most are reluctant to invest for the benefit of others who won’t also invest. Ownership is decoupled from investment.
    
    So even good land is often neglected and inter and intra-family disputes can hamstring improvements for decades.
    
    No easy answer as the issue is primarily cultural not economic. What Jones is doing is creating a slush fund that a select few will benefit from enormously, but that the majority of joint owners will see nothing of. Corrupt, but that’s politics.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:54am
    - artemisia
      
      Owners can form a trust, private or Maori Trustee.
      
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      February 4, 2019 8:58am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Yes, and many do, but it isn’t a panacea. It works best when most if not all owners are interested in developing the land and then it becomes a way to simplify the management and accounting/tax issues. Trusts are not a solution when the control is disputed and there’s no unity of purpose.. And sadly that is all too common and sometimes the original “dispute” can go back generations. This is not unique to Maori culture, but because land tenure in common has largely been removed in most European dominated societies, it doesn’t have the same impact most other such places.
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:19am
      - Paulus
        
        And neither being included in a Capital Gains Tax – does not include anything Maori.
        
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        February 4, 2019 1:43pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes, and why does he have to do it with our money? In a country as small as NZ and with limited economic resources pork barrel politics like this should not have even been on the table, but there again we have the desperate CoL.
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:09am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        The latest Treaty settlement is being hailed as a major leap forward for the country’s largest iwi.
        
        Ngāpuhi in Northland could receive up to $300 million following negotiations with Treaty Minister Andrew Little.
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/07/ngapuhi-set-for-biggest-iwi-settlement-yet.html
        Why not just use some of this money?
        
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        February 4, 2019 9:47am
      - kowtow
        
        RW
        
        Whu use your “own” money when you know someone from the Wellington mafia ( red or blue team , matters not) is going to give you even more of other people’s money , that you can then call your “own”.
        
        It will never end.
        
        https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:45am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Shane can set up another working group to have a conversation on how best to implement the $100m for Maori land. They will be able to report back sometime in the future (never to report back) on how to best use this Maori land which, by all accounts is scrubby and marginal.
      
      Doesn’t change the issue of getting the neph’s off the couch to do the work though, does it Shane!
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:14am
  - G152
    
    Just right to be cultivated for all those trees ?
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:00am
    - softail 1450
      
      G152, the bloated fucker was on the radio this morning saying “we will still meet our goal of 100 million trees in ten years”.
      Talk about Jacinda fiddling with the numbers, wasn’t it a billion trees this leech promised?
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:56am
      - RF
        
        They tell so many lies its hard to keep up.
        
        Feel sorry for Mike Hosking who has to interview our useless PM tomorrow at 7.40am
        
        Any bets on walking bird bailing out.
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:08pm
  - Komata
    
    Inandout@0822
    
    A story in that regard (and not, perhaps surprisingly), in Northland:
    
    A certain farm in a certain area, one of the best in the district. Well known for its livestock and milk production.
    Under lease from local iwi.
    When leasee had taken on lease, land was totally ignored, unused and very unproductive. Local iwi utterly disinterested.
    Leasee worked very hard, with the result detailed above.
    Lease comes up for renewal and iwi see a chance to be in and to gain substantially.
    Lease increased astronomically, iwi rubbing hands in anticipation.
    Leasee says no, I can’t afford it, can we negotiate?
    Iwi; ‘NO’, take it or leave it!
    Lease goes back to farm, also to lawyer, and makes ‘certain arrangements’.
    Leasee then sells all his herd, pulls out all but boundary fences, bulldozes EVERYTHING!!
    Goes back to iwi and says, sorry, not renewing the lease!
    Iwi VERY, VERY upset and go legal, demanding compensation.
    Leasee, unsurprisingly, leaves district and moves to another town.
    Before he goes he visits his lawyer and through the latter, issues a statement:
    
    ‘When I took over the lease on the property it was only good for growing gorse and was running nothing. I have worked hard and through my own efforts improved it, paying my anual rental as required under our agreement. At no time did you (the iwi) make any attempt to contact me or contribute to my efforts.
    On seeking renewal of my lease you have demanded an exorbitant increase based on my improvements; an increase that I am not prepared to pay.
    On the basis that the land was unproductive and unused when I took over the lease, I have returned it to you in that condition; the condition in which I found it…
    
    Last I heard, the land was still unused and unproductive, although now it DOES grow a very fine crop of thistles…
    
    BTW, the local authority is always having trouble collecting the relevant rates. Not sure why this might be…
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:42am
    - kowtow
      
      I can’t imagine Country Calendar doing an episode on that one, would be great though.
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:48am
      - Komata
        
        KT
        
        Agreed, Country Calendar would not be ‘interested’, although anecdotal evidence suggests that similar situations to the one I described are quite common, along with the same end result…
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:15am
    - kevn
      
      @Komata… Yes, maori leases can be very expensive. Similar story, ask leaseholders around Lake Rotoiti and Lake Rotoma near Rotorua.
      Except if you walk at expiration of the lease, the improvements must stay…
      
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      February 4, 2019 11:36am
      - artemisia
        
        What improvements?
        
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        February 4, 2019 1:09pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Stupid Bastard is all I can say, probably is on the hook for any damage. Lessee must have read the lease contract, it would specify that all improvements to the land belong to the owner – that’s standard. The lease would be relatively long term and no doubt started at a low rate because the land wasn’t very productive. Lessee probably made a mint (and invested a lot back, sure) because of the low land cost.
      
      When the lease came up for renewal, what did he expect ?Of course they will ask a lot more. Did they expect to go on making a load of money on cheap land ? If the owner makes unreasonable demands the solution is to just walk away – that’s the legal solution too. Owner stops getting a return and gives away potential income.
      
      As regards the leases around Lake Rotoiti and Rotoma, they were very long term (50 years typically) and lessees were paying a pittance based on 1930’s-40’s valuations for the leases. The values of the land have increased very substantially, if sold you could get $1-2M (and more for some) at least for the sections – why do they lessees think that they shouldn’t have to pay a reasonable lease ?
      
      The pitfalls of leasehold land have been known for centuries, anyone who thinks they got sucked in simply didn’t do their homework. Quite a chunk of the St Johns area in Auckland used to be leasehold from the Anglican Church. One could buy a leasehold house pretty cheaply (my brother in law did just that) but then they got hit with revalued lease costs. Luckily for him (and very many others) the Church was sufficiently unnerved by the fuss and offered the leaseholders a chance to buy the land at what was pretty reasonable prices. Almost everyone involved took up the offer, and all who retained the land would have profited very well from the buy out.
      
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      February 4, 2019 12:23pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Yes Ed, but see below re rates: Councils also treat people like leaseholders when it comes to improved suburbs.
        
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        February 4, 2019 12:59pm
      - Sacha
        
        In Wellington the ‘tenths’ were Maori leasehold, 25 years, and very few wanted to buy the houses on the leasehold land. The trick was to buy about 5 years into the new lease period. In general, leasehold properties sold at a lower price than freehold, but had the same amount of ‘capital gain’. And you sold a few years before the next lease adjustment. There were some lovely old colonial villas –
        
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        February 4, 2019 1:33pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “Leasee worked very hard, with the result detailed above.”
      “Lease increased astronomically, iwi rubbing hands in anticipation.”
      
      It’s a similar story in nice suburbs that used to be grotty dumps full of do-ups: Grey Lynn, Ponsonby etc.
      
      Owners worked very hard, made the suburbs nice and desirable. Rates increased astronomically, Council rubbing hands in anticipation.
      
      Plus, for their efforts, the owners are now called ‘rich pricks’ by Cullen and despised by the rest of the country for having made those suburbs pleasant.
      
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      February 4, 2019 12:56pm
    - artemisia
      
      That farmer had been reading Little Red Hen to his children.
      
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      February 4, 2019 1:07pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Tragedy of the commons. From people who have lived in farming areas with a lot of Maori… any member of a tribe who shows a bit of industry and effort in trying to farm or otherwise productively use the land soon found all their efforts being siphoned off by other members of the tribe who would take livestock, produce etc.
    
    Without private ownership and a firm ability to tell others to fuck off you can’t farm effectively.
    
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    February 4, 2019 12:09pm
    - Komata
      
      Urban@1209
      
      It’s unfortunately a variation on the bucket of crabs isn’t it?
      
      Some DO manage to escape, but the pressure on them is very, very great.
      
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      February 4, 2019 2:14pm
- Yvette
  
  The cavalry arrived in Kaipara in the form of self-professed champion of the regions Mr Jones and his bucket of poutea.
  
  I challenge anyone to explain what ‘poutea’ means.
  
  Meanwhile
  “… Mr Jones denied the timing was connected to any sort of sweetener ahead of Waitangi.”
  
  So when we return, in one year, in three years, I ask you to ask of us what we have done. Ask us how we have given dignity back to your whanau, ask us what we have done to improve poverty for tamariki, ask us what we have done to give rangatahi opportunities and jobs, ask us, hold us to account. Because one day I want to be able to tell my child that I earned the right to stand here and only you can tell me when I have done that.
  – Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, Waitangi powhiri speech, February 5, 2018
  
  The $ 100 million helps explain what all seven Maori Special seats allowed to happen to partnership schools
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I cannot find the word poutea in any of my Maori dictionaries… and it is not translated by any of the online sources I’ve used.
    
    I suspect the word is misspelt …and pūtea (finance, capital) is what is meant.
    
    As the word is used in this RNZ text, perhaps they could provide a translation/correction.
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/381642/20m-spend-no-consolation-for-ignoring-northland-expressway-goldsmith
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:51am
- KevOB
  
  It buys Shane Jones a seat and probable leadership of NZF when Winston expires.
  
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  February 4, 2019 10:38am
  - kowtow
    
    Makes a change from the Chinese buying seats .
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:50am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Bridges put it correctly today: the legal framework of Maori land ownership needs to be set up differently, so that people with genuine business ventures can get the bank loans needed.
  
  Of course they would need to be prepared to lose the land if the business doesn’t succeed.
  
  Meanwhile, I’m bewildered by the MSM wording used re this $100m: they talk about ‘spending’. Shouldn’t the word, if this is really loan money for genuine business ventures, be ‘lending’?
  
  What is the taxpayer’s security if the business doesn’t work out?
  
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  February 4, 2019 12:21pm
waikatogirl

$100m of taxpayers money handed over by Cindy for Maori land.

Meanwhile $2om owed by Maori for rates on that Maori land.
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February 4, 2019 8:09am
- Paulus
  
  That’s different Maori do not pay rates.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:16am
  - Justitia
    
    And Maori businesses do not pay taxes. New Zealand is becoming the most racist country in the world. Happy Waitangi Week.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:18am
    - Inandout
      
      Jusitia: Maori Day as it is commonly known. Pakeha can just pay for the ‘celebrations’, and then fuck off.
      
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      February 4, 2019 8:24am
    - artemisia
      
      Some Maori owned businesses pay taxes same as anyone else. Some pay tax on profit at a much lower rate than usual company tax. Some businesses pay no tax on profit if they are owned by charitable trusts, eg GoBus owned by two iwi charitable trusts.
      
      They do pay other tax such as PAYE and GST.
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:03am
      - hullkiwi
        
        It is the businesses owned by Iwi with ToW payouts and their business arrangements are set up as funding a charitable trust of the Iwi. We have Sir Michael (I want to stiff you rich pricks with a CGT) Cullen, to thank for this wrote. It was introduced in the 2005 budget and Labour lite never did anything about it.
        
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        February 4, 2019 9:19am
      - Justitia
        
        Hmmm. So if Joe Blow wants to set up their business as a charitable trust to support their whanau or clan, to whom should they apply?
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:04am
      - Jack5
        
        Artemisia … businesses collected PAYE tax from exployees, apart from the collection it’s not a cost to them.
        
        Ngai Tahu has group charity status, and its businesses in travel, building, development, fishing, and so on are exempt from company tax. I think Waikato Maori businesses similarly escape company tax.
        
        To be fair, Sanitarium Food Products similary escapes tax because it is owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church and is exempt from company tax.
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:24am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Wrong, some categories of commonly owned land do not pay rates, typically that is unimproved land with little current commercial value.
    
    And Maori corporations do pay tax but at a lower rate of 17.5%. Given that corporate tax has imputation credits, the lower rate is not particularly significant as profits paid out in dividends will have reduced credits. There is some logic behind this in that quite probably a greater proportion of MC shareholders will have a base personal tax rate of 17.5% than the usual shareholder pool. And that simplifies personal tax calculations for such shareholders as they won’t need to claim tax rebates presuming that the MC has in fact paid tax at the 17.5% level.
    
    It does help the company with respect to retained earnings which are larger than they would be under a higher tax rate. But as noted, profits paid out are less valuable to the shareholders as a result. Imputation is a great leveller, one of the great innovations of the Douglas era.
    
    Added by edit – charitable trusts pay no taxes and that is true regardless of who the beneficiaries are. But they cannot distribute profits except under the terms of the trust deed and it must be for approved charitable purposes. Of course they can be ripped off, but there certainly are restrictions on such payouts.
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:27am
    - KevOB
      
      Thanks ED for reminding us our tax law is not as generous as many think.
      This highlights the danger of Cullens intervention based on envy.
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:42am
Woz

Shane Jones, clutching $100m koha in his pudgy, sweating fist, says Māori landowners have been left in the lurch by commercial banks for decades.

“There are no other New Zealanders who have land tenure in quite the way in which Māori do. Small blocks of uneconomic land with thousands of owners and a total disinterest from the banking system because of the risks involved.”

Key word there, Shane: uneconomic.
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February 4, 2019 8:11am
- Rich Prick
  
  Getting Shane Jones elected in Northland is proving to be a very expensive exercise. How much more of our money does every one think it will take?
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:52am
  - brett68
    
    As much as it takes
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:21am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Given there has been scant evidence of actual regional development in Northland because of this spending, he is going to need to spend the lot in Northland.
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:28am
  - Woz
    
    Whatever it takes, like Brett says. NZ First’s political survival depends on it.
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:30am
  - Jack5
    
    The reason Maori land owners find it hard to borrow money commercially is that typically their land can’t be used as collateral.
    
    Inalienable group ownership means its useless to a lender as a security against a loan.
    
    This has been a block on growth in many undeveloped countries.
    
    First, they don’t have clear title so that land can be used to raise capital for development.
    
    Second, they don’t have a cadastral system that enables secure titles to be established.
    
    It seems that Jones is pushing taxpayer funds into Maori land where non-Maori owners would raise capital by using the land as security. That seems unfair, and perhaps even racial discrimination.
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:37am
    - Swifty
      
      ‘The reason Maori land owners find it hard to borrow money commercially is that typically their land can’t be used as collateral.’
      
      Cindy labels this a ‘market failure’ – what a liar she is. That is the market working exactly as it should.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110348003/82m-slated-for-regional-employment-initiative-from-provincial-growth-fund
      
      ‘Nobody else will take the risk, so we’ll just throw around taxpayers money. No worries, there’s plenty more where that came from….’
      
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      February 4, 2019 11:14am
  - KevOB
    
    $150M.
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:50am
- radvad
  
  The other problem with getting money from banks is that interest is charged and the loan must be repaid. “Koha” taken from my pocket, not so much.
  
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  February 4, 2019 10:21am
- Komata
  
  Woz@0811
  
  Evidently Mr Jones (perhaps ‘conveniently’) is unaware of the various ‘Maori Land Incorporations’ that exist in tribal areas and which were developed (by Sir Apirana Ngata) to get around exactly that problem.
  
  If the annual cheque that arrives in my house for my wife’s ‘share’ of such an incorporation’s profits is anything to go by, they seem to be successful, although such success may depend on the tribe and its attitude towards ‘work’.
  
  Let’s just say that my wife’s whanau are NOT Ngapuhi…
  
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  February 4, 2019 10:53am
cmm

Immigration fraudster found guilty of not supplying drugs.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12171615
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February 4, 2019 8:12am
- hullkiwi
  
  Sorry, but is this the same Immigration New Zealand that needed to sort out their processes before they give files to ministers?
  
  The only problem with the files given to ILG & SLG is they had too many words (& you didn’t need to read between the lines) & not enough pictures for them.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:42am
  - Ruawai
    
    Why is Jacinda Adern referred to as SLG?
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:04am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Trevor named her that after hearing “Silly Little Girl” voiced in his own head.
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:17am
    - CHFR1
      
      Ruawai ask Trevor, apparently he heard this said of her in the house…or his head you decide as there is nothing on hansard.
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:18am
      - namron
        
        Ruawai – since most of us think “how appropriate” and also question the Speaker’s hearing [he has admitted a problem with his left ear] no-one else ever heard “silly little girl” – it has become a very appropriate. frequently and rightly used name for what we are forced to tolerate as a prime minister.
        
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        February 4, 2019 5:16pm
    - igm
      
      SLAG is more appropriate acronym . . . “Silly Little Ambitious Girl.”
      
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      February 4, 2019 12:13pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Or SLAB – Silly Little Amitious Bitch!
        
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        February 4, 2019 12:57pm
brett68

Just waka jump the fuckwit.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/02/04/exclusive-tdb-interview-with-jami-lee-ross/
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February 4, 2019 8:14am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I wonder if the residents of Botany will vote with their feet?
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:26am
  - alloytoo
    
    If JLR (or most likely his minders) believed that botany would re-elected him he would have resigned last year and triggered a byelection.
    
    He isn’t and he won’t and Simon is probably doing the right thing by avoiding the Waka jumping option.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:47am
  - peterwn
    
    National has sent in Judith Collins as ‘buddy’ MP to do damage control. Electoral damage will probably be minimal.
    Arguably National’s selectors would be feeling a bit silly. Next time round they will hopefully ensure that the preferred candidate has had a *real* job before considering a political career.
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:03am
    - KevOB
      
      Good. Judith will do a good job.
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:53am
    - MCos
      
      I wonder how many people in Botany don’t know he’s their MP?
      
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      February 4, 2019 11:53am
    - Paulus
      
      Does the Botany Office still have National Party slogans etc on it ?
      Or does Ross still occupy ?
      
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      February 4, 2019 1:53pm
      - peterwn
        
        Not sure. Someone noted here that it had ‘changed’. That office would be between Jami and Parliamentary Services – Jami would still receive funding for it.
        National may need to consider opening its own office (and close some other office) as it has done for list MP’s in key areas eg Brett Hudson has one in Johnsonville.. It receives bulk funding for this purpose.
        
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        February 4, 2019 2:39pm
- peterwn
  
  Would not make any difference. He will just keep spouting off the same old stuff to whoever will listen. The only recent revaluation he had is someone laid a complaint with ‘Crimestoppers’ re Sarah’s email and police are investigating a HDCA breach (come to think of it how did Jami know).
  Jami should however realise that Simon can still pull the plug on him any time.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:58am
  - brett68
    
    I get the feeling Peters is involved in all of this.
    Which is why it’s a bad idea to have this guy hanging around.
    
    Simon will have to flush Ross at some point.
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:24am
    - peterwn
      
      And hand Winston a victory ‘on a plate’. “Make my Day” says Winston “throw Jami out on his ear – I told you that the Electoral Integrity Bill was an essential thing to have.”
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:03am
      - brett68
        
        It’s not a victory.
        Everyone knows Ross is a bludging lying scumbag who should be kicked out of parliament.
        
        The interview I linked to is another hit job on Bridges and National, no mention of Ross taping people only what a pack of dodgy arseholes National are.
        
        This will continue for the foreseeable future and will undermine Bridges and make him look weak if he doesn’t deal to Ross.
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:29am
      - sooty
        
        He will be there in the house sometimes just to pick up the pay cheque.
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:55am
      - peterwn
        
        Brett68
        Kicking him out of Parliament will not shut him up.
        Simon has to balance the pro’s and con’s of having him kicked out of Parliament with respect to his opposition to the Waka Hopper provision and whether Jami can do less damage from the outside. Two issues are Jami’s alleged mental health issues (would that be a better way of removing) and the mood of National Party members and the wider electorate in Botany. The National Party electorate AGM’s are being held soon and the mood of the Botany one could be a consideration. Another aspect is timing. Arguably because he was on health leave, it would have been inappropriate to have invoked Waka Hopper at any tome up to now, and things can still wait another month or two. Also it will trigger a by-election and Simon would want to be pretty sure National can win it. It would be dreadful for National if Winston Peters or Shane Jones stood and won it. Northland was a ‘gold standard’ National seat but Winston managed to snatch it in a byelection. I would not be surprised if Winston is already nosing around Botany (He started campaigning in Northland even before a byelection was triggered).
        Simon would be considering all this and would be taking discreet steps to gauge the mood of the Botany electorate and people at large before a final decision. If he can show there is a good amount of support to kick him out (as there was when ACT kicked Donna out), this would blunten criticism of using a provision that he did not support.
        
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        February 4, 2019 12:25pm
      - Jack5
        
        Botany Bay result 2017 – main-party votes:
        National 21,428, Labour 10,279, NZ First 1,612, Green 841.
        
        Neither Judas Peters nor Shane Jones could take Botany Bay from National.
        
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        February 4, 2019 1:53pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  How many exclusive interviews will JLR be giving?
  
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  February 4, 2019 2:01pm
secondcumming

A gun collector mate of mine in the US emails……

‘Earlier this week the FBI announced ‘CASE CLOSED’ on the October 2017 *Las Vegas shooting*, which left 58 dead and more than 800 injured.

Over *100 FBI Agents* spent more than a year to produce a *3 PAGE REPORT*, that did not identify a motive, or even establish any forensic connection between the alleged weapons and any of the victims. Nor has there been any forensic proof presented by the FBI that the alleged shooter, *Stephen Paddock*, was in fact the killer!’

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/las-vegas-shooting-fbi-final-report-and-case-closed/
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February 4, 2019 8:15am
- Inandout
  
  second, I have my theory on this because of the painfully slow release of information by authorities. More than one shooter is a feasible theory, and what of the girlfriend? What I find astounding is that I haven’t seen any reports of any lawyer taking the hotel to task on behalf of the families of the dead. This, in the country that sues at the drop of a hat.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:32am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Staged by the Clintons?
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:03am
  - stephieboy
    
    In collusion with the former President?
    
    Another stupid conspiracy theory in the making!
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:24am
    - secondcumming
      
      Did you even bother to watch the attached vid Stephen?
      Thort not…..
      
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      February 4, 2019 11:05am
      - stephieboy
        
        Secondcumming , with “Forbidden Knowledge “posting this kind of garbage, certainly not!
        
        https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dark-journalist-and-joseph-farrell-secret-space-program-nasa-nazis-and-jfk/
        
        This garbage also,
        
        https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/?s=sandy+hook
        
        etc, etc, etc
        
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        February 4, 2019 12:34pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Hi dumbo…I’m back. Thanks for extra support you’ve been giving National, greatly appreciated.
      
      steffy is a Natinal supporter now because she’s learned
      
      ardern is a liar.
      
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      February 4, 2019 8:56pm
- Ed Snack
  
  It does seem odd that there is so little information. It was obviously relatively well planned as he had a lot of ammunition and guns in the room – and that would have taken some time and effort to get it in there.
  
  I’ve seen suggestions that he targeted the specific music event because it was country and hence more “redneck supporting” but that’s only a theory.
  
  It does seem a bit of a stretch to suggest that the FBI would suppress evidence for political reasons. And since the final report has been released presumably there isn’t an ongoing intelligence operation. Maybe the shooter just wanted the notoriety but that seems a pretty thin explanation. Puzzling.
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:59am
  - Inandout
    
    Ed, the report of 3 pages seems ridiculous.
    
    https://www.ktnv.com/news/trump-disappointed-fbi-cant-find-motive-in-vegas-shooting
    
    Move on folks. But maybe the legal profession hasn’t rolled over.
    
    https://www.law.com/2018/10/04/mgm-loses-bid-to-coordinate-las-vegas-shooting-lawsuits/?slreturn=20190103164148
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:43am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I agree, very thin return. Maybe there is nothing to find, but surely there were some leads ?
      
      The idea of a political conspiracy involving the FBI seems ridiculous on the face of it, but these days as the FBI has been increasingly politicized, maybe not beyond the realm of possibility. Still really, really stretching though – tin-foil hat territory.
      
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      February 4, 2019 12:31pm
- MCos
  
  As far as some people are concerned they’d like to believe the FBI organized the whole thing and Sandy Hook and the assasination of Abraham Lincoln.
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:59am
sooty

NZ has never before had such a usesless PM as this one we have now.
Is she the brown bobber in the pool?
I have deleted a heap of writing to save getting banned.
Thanks Whinney for giving us this piece of shit and you will be remembered come election day!
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February 4, 2019 8:19am
- peterwn
  
  It seems to be Winnie who is holding the show together. Despite all the horrid things one thinks about Winnie, he does have some political sense.
  Abraham Lincoln’s quote is appropriate:
  “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” She cannot fool all of the people as the next election approaches.
  Either she will still be PM then or some dour Labour MP effectively selected by the unions. Does not really matter.
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:13am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Alas, I think another bout of Taxindamania is Labour’s only chance and they aren’t going to give that up.
    
    Whether NZ falls for it again though…
    
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    February 4, 2019 1:04pm
    - peterwn
      
      The issue for National is whether to renounce any partnership with NZF in the run-up to the next election (perhaps immediately before ‘special voting’ opens). This would badly upset the dynamics of Labour/Green and NZF campaigning. With the way Shane is carrying on, this would most probably be an easy decision for National to make.
      
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      February 4, 2019 2:55pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Yes. Judging by the NZ First voters’ reactions to Winston choosing Taxinda over National, the Migration Compact and now probably CGT, all National needs to do to get those voters is ensure that retirees and semi-retirees feel safe:
        1. No CGT on their investments and heirs.
        2. Limit immigration to not overburden infrastructure.
        3. Inflation index tax brackets.
        
        Maybe someone else can add more points National needs to get those voters’ support.
        
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        February 4, 2019 3:06pm
      - peterwn
        
        CL …. and promise leave NZ Super alone.
        
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        February 4, 2019 8:05pm
hullkiwi

While Shane Jones is in the news about splashing the dish for Maori, did anyone catch the blowhard sounding off about Russell Norman on behalf of his mates Talleys. For those not up with it Talleys own a vessel that should be on an international black list for fishing in a protected fishing zone in the Tasman. However, Nash and MPI have caved into pressure from NZF ministers (Jones & the Toxic one). Anyhow Norman has called MPI out about this. All old blowhard Jones could say was that Norman is a treacherous Aussie, he should but out and go back go where he came from.

This smells more than a bin of old dead fish!
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February 4, 2019 8:22am
- Inandout
  
  Talking of ‘dead fish’, how is Winnie’s health?
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:34am
  - holysheet
    
    Rotting from the head down.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:44am
    - Woz
      
      From the liver out, you mean.
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:32am
      - sooty
        
        If JacinDUH gets a nanny.
        Can Whinney have a geratric nurse?
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:57am
- Woz
  
  One of the few things for which I will commend Wussell.
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:32am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed, although to be fair, Jones’ relationship with the fishing industry will not surprise anyone:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96106426/fishing-company-talleys-bankrolling-shane-jones-nz-first-campaign
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:35am
  - kowtow
    
    Agreed . However where does Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition stand on this issue.
    
    Surely they have an opportunity to score some well needed points , or does their silence leave us Plebs with the uneasy feeling that in good ole equality values New Zealand it really does matter how rich , influential and powerful one is , that makes all the difference ?
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:58am
- peterwn
  
  Simon and co will be quietly noting these things and keeping their ears to the ground for further background information.
  
  Also I do not expect Talleys will be too pleased with Labour’s employment law proposals and will expect something to be done about it.
  
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  February 4, 2019 10:09am
- Happychappy
  
  I don’t particularly like Russel Norman but someone had to get the story out there as the Government should not be interfering in this until it comes to a conclusion. Again like we see quite frequently with other members of the Coalition Jones has led with his mouth instead of engaging his brain, he really needs to be censured for this as he is out of line.
  
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  February 4, 2019 10:11am
- alloytoo
  
  Irrespective of the Talley’s relationship, Jones is right about Norman.
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:43am
Salacious Crumb

Random impertinent question;

Will SJW heads explode trying to reconcile how this woman who “identifies” as black (but isn’t) is somehow different from people who refuse the notion that there are biologically determined genders and you are the gender you are born with?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6662543/Martina-Big-identifies-black-reveals-plans-permanently-Africa.html
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- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s different if you start with the assumption that there are brain differences dependent on sex but not on race. You can have a female brain in a male body but you can’t have a black brain in a white body. This seems at least plausible to me.
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:56am
- Longknives
  
  They want to move to Africa?
  Those two fruitcakes wouldn’t last five minutes…
  
  I’ve travelled in Africa- It’s not quite the magical Wakanda-like ‘Utopia’ the Loony Left seem to think it is…
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:11am
- mandk
  
  “She told the Sun Online: ‘I not only look like an African woman, I also feel that I’m now an African woman”
  
  She doesn’t look remotely like an African woman.
  
  She looks exactly like she is: a Caucasian person who has blacked up.
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:18am
- Inandout
  
  Black and White minstrels..not.
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:28am
- kowtow
  
  How come it’s racist to put on black shoe polish for a bit of harmless fun ( in any circumstances) but not for this fruit loop ?
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:01am
Happychappy

Well the good news today is Man U up to fifth in the EPL and unbeaten in their last ten games. Next weekend game could see the up to fourth if Chelsea are beaten by Man City.
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February 4, 2019 8:30am
waikatogirl

Don Brash is heading to Waitangi to give a speech. I hope he is wearing a full face motorbike helmet into the hostile melee! ?
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February 4, 2019 8:31am
- Inandout
  
  What is Don expecting by entering the welfare pit?
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:36am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    There are people within Ngāpuhi who do agree that self determination and individual responsibility are the way forward for their people; not the intergenerational welfarism they are currently trapped in. I’d like to think that this is the reason they want to hear from Brash.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:40am
  - kevn
    
    @InOut…. Another opportunity to show NZ how silly they behave.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:52am
  - Komata
    
    Ianandout@0836
    
    To be ‘remembered’?
    
    ‘Suicide’ takes many forms…
    
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    February 4, 2019 11:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I trust he will be allowed to speak.
  
  and All OSH regulations followed. Might give those Massey Academics a few clues as to how to organise a kōrerorero.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/381652/don-brash-at-waitangi-about-open-discourse-reuben-taipari
  
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  February 4, 2019 8:39am
  - lofty
    
    It will only end in tears I reckon Maggy.
    
    There are none so blind, as those who will not see.
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:49am
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      Give credit where it is due for this initiative by Rueben Taipiri even though Don Brash has not changed his views 15 years since Orewa.
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:11am
      - Tall Man
        
        one day steffy girl you will get a brain and think for youself but until them you will be a little gopher undermining ardern the liar.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        who knows fuckall about the treaty…do you think she doesn’t give a fuck about the treaty
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 4, 2019 9:00pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Isn’t your ‘Great Professor’ coming to speak soon? Did you get your ticket?
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:04am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Have you got your ticket mm? You might learn something. Jordan Peterson can certainly help you with that huge irritability chip you have on your shoulder.
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:24am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Coz he’s not irritable? Really?
      
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      February 4, 2019 10:19am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        You should watch Maps of Meaning (on YouTube) Mikey. There’s a reason for the viewership it has.
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:05am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think I’ve see/read/heard enough scam self-help gurus for one lifetime already, thanks.
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:16am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        I honestly thought you were better than that. They’re actually his lectures which constituted his undergraduate course in Personality Psychology which he is widely published in. There is nothing “self help guru” at all in them.
        
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        February 4, 2019 12:07pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well he’s certainly not as irritable as ardern the liar and he doesn’t need willie jackson to give him the answers.
        
        What’s worse mikey, having a moron as a prime minister or being a moron supporting her?
        
        asking for a friend..yep, unlike a twisted lefty whiner like yourself..I have friends…pretty sure ardern the thicko lost a few today.
        
        Thanks for the opportunity to respond and get the message out..
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 4, 2019 9:06pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    He is very interesting for the physiological slant he brings to a lot of things you see in the world, worth listening to even if you disagree – just to get a fresh perspective and challenge your own world views. He is a very good speaker with an exceptionally ordered mind – very Hitchens like in that regard and great to watch taking audience questions (like in his oxford union address). To me his biggest weakness is his take on religion – like in his discussions with Sam Harris.
    
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    February 4, 2019 12:21pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      As far as I can tell he’s a far better speaker and presenter than writer. I’d be interested to go even if opposed just to listen to what he is saying without pre-judgement.
      
      But being open minded isn’t the way of the left, for them it is always believe what you are told to believe or be excluded and vilified. So mma can’t go without serious risk to his status.
      
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      February 4, 2019 12:35pm
secondcumming

Sister in-law: “Sarcasm doesn’t get you anywhere”

Me: “Well it got me to the Sarcasm World Championships in Peru in 98”

Sister in-law: “Really?”

Me: “No”
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February 4, 2019 8:38am
- alloytoo
  
  Son: Dad do you have a superpower?
  Me: Yes son, I have the power of Super
  Procrastination.
  Son: Show me dad, show me!
  Me: Sure, I’ll show you tomorrow.
  
  Disclaimer:
  This was an actual discourse with my then 5 year old, unfortunately the now 14 year old has inherited his old man’s powers, but has yet to learn the wisdom to use them.
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:47am
holysheet

The royal family are sat around discussing their recent activities, cutting ribbons and twatting pheasants and suchlike when the Duchess of Sussex starts to boast of her banana messaging initiative.
Prince George pipes up, “Aunt Meghan, you know when you have written ‘you are loved’ on bananas and gived them to some prossintutes you don’t even know, why don’t you send one to your daddy so he knows you still love him?”
Prince Charles chuckles, “Oh Georgie boy, we’ve got a much better gift than a silly old fruit lined up for Thomas. We’re sending him on an all expenses paid break at the Hotel Ritz in Paris with unlimited use of a Mercedes and a French Chauffeur!”
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February 4, 2019 8:39am
- stephieboy
  
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  The subtlety is lost on me. Have another go!
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:14am
  - holysheet
    
    You don’t need to confirm what we all know on here. You are the dumbest poster ever.
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:33am
    - stephieboy
      
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      holyturd, hone and refine your poor skill base here,
      
      https://www.ducksters.com/jokes/silly.php
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:38am
      - Swifty
        
        More abuse and name-calling? But you say you are against that.
        
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        February 4, 2019 9:59am
      - pentwig
        
        stoopidthing
        do you only understand schoolgirl humour?
        ROTFL
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:20am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Holy – Don’t worry about the galah – he’s just rearranging his brian architecture!
      
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      February 4, 2019 2:07pm
  - rangitoto
    
    “The subtlety is lost on me.”
    
    No one is surprised by that.
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:48am
  - hullkiwi
    
    …and here were we thinking you know how to use Google. Or were you trying to be sarcastic (and failing)? Or ironic (and failing)?
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:37am
igm

Take a good look at this Toxic Gnome, Huckery Harridan, Sleeze-Galloway:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/02/face-of-the-day-1867/
You should be hung, drawn and quartered!
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- stephieboy
  
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  igm , if actually true and for the moment it should remain that without some independent verification!
  
  How fake images spread racist stereotypes about migrants across the globe
  
  On social media, blogs and in the mouths of certain politicians, migrants are regularly associated with criminality, taking handouts or, even worse, terrorism. Manipulated or fake images are often used to illustrate these racist stereotypes, which are then massively circulated online. The FRANCE 24 Observers team has collaborated on a project aiming to sort and analyse various fake news stories about migrants. Here are our initial results.
  
  https://observers.france24.com/en/20180105-fake-images-racist-stereotypes-migrants
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:31am
  - igm
    
    Try this goatshagger:
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/02/australian-judge-throws-down-the-gauntlet-to-muslims-taqiyya-ensues/
    The fucken truth must hurt!
    
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    February 4, 2019 3:30pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Death wishes on blogs are really nasty, igm.
  No surprises you got 6 upticks from the regular crowd though.
  
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  February 4, 2019 10:13am
  - alloytoo
    
    “hung, drawn and quartered!” is not a death threat, it’s a suggested legal remedy for treason.
    
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    February 4, 2019 10:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m pleased to see you are joining the campaign to clean up this blog MMA.
    I don’t recall you voicing such sentiments when Griff wrote that a .303 bullet to Penny Bright’s skull would fix her symptoms…(june 3 2015)
    and I don’t recall you posting your disapproval when Stephieboy gave explicit instructions (on 2 different occasions) for fellow KBers to kill themselves.
    
    But great that you are now coming out with your disapproval of violent suggestions to our fellow human beings.
    
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    February 4, 2019 11:21am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I wish I could take your lamentation seriously, Maggy, but I really can’t.
      Perhaps Keeping Stock or one of the other holier-than-thou hypocrites will rally to your cry of decency. Meanwhile, I look forward to you condemning all such comments and reporting them as they appear.
      
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      February 4, 2019 11:50am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        As I suspected, you will continue to be very selective in who you target and which gang of abusers you sidle up to.
        
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        February 4, 2019 1:03pm
      - sam green
        
        Pot – kettle.
        
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        February 4, 2019 8:10pm
    - Jack5
      
      I’m pleased Griff’s name has been brought up since the marijuana debate is building up.
      
      He’s a living example of the potential effects of marijuana.
      
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      February 4, 2019 11:53am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW,
      Tsk, tsk , tsk…
      
      Sigh!
      
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      February 4, 2019 3:33pm
KH

Shane Jones says small blocks of land with thousands of owners have trouble funding development. So dishes out $100 million of our money.
How come since there are thousands, each can’t put hand in pocket and produce one dollar to do the job. ?
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February 4, 2019 8:50am
- hullkiwi
  
  There are no votes in that suggestion.
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:02am
  - KH
    
    To the contrary. There will be lots voting to any alternatve to Shane Jones madness.
    
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    February 4, 2019 11:58am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  In Japan there’s an awful lot of land without a traceable owner.
  
  The Tokyo Foundation recently estimated that the total area of land across Japan with unknown owners could exceed 3 million hectares (30,000 square kilometres) over the next 30 years. That’s about 10 times the size of the Tokyo metropolitan area. The land is expected to include:
  
  1,700,000 hectares of privately owned forestry
  1,000,000 hectares of shared forestry
  400,000 hectares of farmland
  
  Ref: http://japanpropertycentral.com/2014/06/out-of-date-land-titles-slowing-down-redevelopment-in-tohoku/
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:14am
  - stephieboy
    
    Opportunity beckons for an army of foreign buyers especially from over the ditch due west?
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:36am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Check out the link for some (pricier) properties.
      
      There are many abandoned houses in the rural hamlets across Japan. Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBhmUnho_KU
      
      Under the tax laws, a vacant lot (after demolition and removal of the old house) is more valuable and is therefore taxed at a higher annual rate. This is why the old dwellings are simply left to rot.
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:55am
      - stephieboy
        
        Odakyu sen , whats the Japanese law on foreign property buyers and investors?
        
        Also, how do they balance out supply and demand?
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:45am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Odakyu-sen, I understood it was (also?) due to a Japanese belief that older houses contain ‘ghosts’ or similar bad vibes. Is that true?
        
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        February 4, 2019 1:11pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Japan has a modern real estate market in that there are no restrictions on foreign ownership (but you want to raise a mortgage, the bank will probably ask for a Japanese guarantor).
        Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd8cgjH3154
        I understand that Chinese investors have helped prop up the Tokyo apartment market in recent years. (Sounds familiar).
        
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        February 4, 2019 1:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ve been watching some docos on Dr Ian Clarke of Kampala Uganda who has started/helped numerous small sustainable businesses amongst poor and young.
  Doing Business in Uganda by Dr. Ian Clarke Chairman, International Medical Group
  e.g.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_s8XMa0n8
  
  He’s recently tweeted (and now published in an Ugandan newspaper) about what happens to regions when Government handouts arrive…
  https://ugmirror.com/index.php/2019/01/21/ban-sports-betting-shops-dr-ian-clarke/
  
  Northland’s problem may not be sports betting shops per se, but there are numerous ways that $100M will leak away from productive, sustainable development into the hands of a greedy few.
  
  (And before I start being accused of Maori-bashing, have a look at my views on the activities of some other Maori Iwi and their business savvy).
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:50am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    You don’t get it, Maggy. You appreciate Maori with business savvy. I agree, and also appreciate my Maori rellies who have studied and worked and set themselves up well for life.
    
    But that’s not the point of those still calling us ‘waycist’: it’s racist to not totally accept every part of every ‘culture’, however much it abuses human rights or limit its own people’s potential.
    
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    February 4, 2019 1:17pm
    - Jack5
      
      Perhaps both Maori and whites have lost the drive to work.
      
      This is from the history of the old NZ Forest Products, Brian Healy’s A Hundred Million Trees, which tells of the pioneering of the forest industry on the North Island’s Volcanic Plateau, with Maori and white planters working side by side:
      
      “Often under the most miserable conditions of rain, mud and freezing cold (the planting season covered the winter months of May to September), the planters moved across the countryside like the ranks of a small advancing army, plunging their spades rhythmically into the earth, lifting the soft pumice sod, dropping the seedling into the widened spade cut, stamping down the earth with their books and moving on another eight fee in strict formation to repeat the action yet again.”
      
      On a normal day, they planted 1500 to 2000 seedlings and the record was 300.
      
      “… the Maori planters seemed to delight in planting trees in the most inaccessible places. As mountains challenge climbers, rock outcrops and difficult slopes seemed to present a challenge to Maori daring and humour. Later that year, the Maoris excelled their previous vertical feats by conquering Mt Pohaturoa.”
      
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      February 4, 2019 2:49pm
Chuck Bird

For those near Hamilton, Tim Macindoe has organized a public event where Nikki Kaye will be talking on the future of education. It is at the Cafe Agora, 13 Kent St and starts at 4 pm.

I am sure there will be time for questions.

https://www.facebook.com/events/803132756699810/
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February 4, 2019 8:54am
mark15

I had my biannual annual security inspection yesterday.Turns out I have only 4 endorsed firearms instead of the actual number.But I digress.He did say that every single member of firearm licensing in NZ is reapplying for their job,the number of inspectors and licensing officers will be vastly reduced and they will be centralised in Wellington.
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February 4, 2019 9:26am
- Jack5
  
  Will that mean they will be flying all over the country to make inspections?
  
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  February 4, 2019 2:53pm
  - mark15
    
    Sorry,I should have been clearer,the licensing office will be centralised in Wellington but there will be (vastly reduced) local arms officers.
    
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    February 4, 2019 7:44pm
kevn

@mark… Really?
How many inspectors are there nationally? Move to Welly? Nah. Anyone thinking at Police HQ? Thieving guns from firearms owners is on the up. Gun crime stats will go crazy for sure. Tracking of firearms will be a lost cause.
Todays crock of sh*t from the liars and losers.
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February 4, 2019 9:29am
- mark15
  
  @kevn
  I’ll ask mr Nash next time he has a street corner meeting.
  
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  February 4, 2019 12:17pm
  - mark15
    
    I’ll also ask him how many crime prevention officers wages would pay for one gay police car.
    
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    February 4, 2019 12:24pm
  - Jack5
    
    Start with: “Heh Arnie!”
    
    Then use a Schwarzenegger accent. ?
    
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    February 4, 2019 3:14pm
Manolo

The new Sultan is determined: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-condemns-israel-shutting-down-hebron-observers-140952

Erdoğan underlined that Turkey will not “turn its back” on the Palestinian cause or people, adding that Ankara will share “all means available” for ending the occupation and establishing peace.
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February 4, 2019 9:37am
mandk

“… and establishing peace.”

I’d be interested to see Erdoğan’s evidence that the Palestinians want peace.

If Israel were to disappear, the Palestinians would instantly be plunged into bloody civil war.
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February 4, 2019 9:49am
marcmywords

“Beads and blankets” – Simon at his best this morning https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110349877/simon-bridges-likens-spending-on-maori-land-to-beads-and-blankets
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February 4, 2019 9:54am
Manolo

A lovely German Muslim:
https://anfenglishmobile.com/news/ypg-captures-isis-torturer-wanted-by-germany-32625

As the operation to clear Deir ez-Zor of ISIS gangs draws near its end, YPG forces have captured another German citizen alive. YPG forces announced that ISIS gang chief Martin Lemke was captured while he was fleeing Deir ez-Zor with his two wives, one of whom is German and the other French.

Martin Lemke worked in a police unit in ISIS controlled town of Hisbah, and later started to work in Amniyat, the gangs’ intelligence organization. Lemke was tasked with abducting persons ISIS suspected and torture them for information. There are reports that many prisoners were killed under Lemke’s responsibility.
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February 4, 2019 9:56am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, from your link a lovely Kurd,
  
  https://anfenglishmobile.com/rojava-northern-syria/kurdish-asylum-seeker-wins-australia-s-richest-literary-prize-32615
  
  You deludedly conflate two different things, in this case, a Kurdish asylum seeker and a Member of Daesh!
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:50am
  - Jack5
    
    A “lovely Kurd”?
    
    Have you switched fetishes from goats to Kurdish men, Stephie X?
    
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    February 4, 2019 12:00pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Hi ya dumbo.
    
    Bet your adored leader pissed you off today eh…
    
    I mean she appeared as dopey as you. Bet you wish you had willie jackson whispering in your ear but hey, not going to happen as he only sucks up to those that can give him what he wants and I think a romp in the goat turd with a huckery toad like yourself just doesn’t cut the mustard.
    
    But hey, thanks for the opportunity to keep the message out there
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:13pm
DigNap15

We need to know how many Maori there are on the unemployment benefit now.
And how many are in training?
So that we can see the results if any of the latest Maori jobs and employment inititiave
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February 4, 2019 10:02am
- Tall Man
  
  “Outcomes? You want outcomes…..
  
  Wellbeing stupid…that’s what it’s all about…..
  
  Well, I have no fucking idea what that means….where the fuck is willie???”
  
  Thus spake ardern the liar
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:15pm
Dave Mann

I had thought that intelligent talkback radio was dead in New Zealand…. but I’ve found Magic Talk. I’m listening to Peter Williams at the moment and Sean Plunkett does the afternoon show.

Magic is on 702 AM in Auckland (! does anybody remember the AM band?) and it’s available online through an app called Rova.

Last week Peter Williams was discussing plastic bags and the general feeling seemed to be that the ban is idiotic. I’ve just heard a promo for Sean Plunkett where he is really critical of the ‘Climate Change’ scam!
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February 4, 2019 10:06am
- DigNap15
  
  Good skills, I heard Magic in the background the other day.
  I will tune to it now.
  Anything is better than lightweight SJW Kerre Woodham.
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:01am
- Dave Mann
  
  I wish there was a way to record it and listen later. Does anybody know of a good Android app for this? I tried one, but the playback quality was so poor it sounded like seagulls screeching!
  
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  February 4, 2019 1:18pm
BassilFawlty

Was it okay to focus on the poorly behaved travelers who recently visited our shores and treated us to the northern hemisphere equivalent of feral Maori?
Yes it was.
So why would we not focus on feral Maori the same way?
Because that would be racist.
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February 4, 2019 10:12am
- kowtow
  
  No shortage of home grown ferals .
  
  ‘Tauranga’s newest homeless women’s shelter, Awhina House, has been burgled before the doors have even been opened to those in need.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/homeless-womens-shelter-hit-thieves
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:06am
  - GoVege
    
    Reminds me of when some Women’s Refuge workers told me their office and safe had been robbed.
    They reckoned it was an inside job…
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:32pm
Jack5

Coming a cross a mention of the Spinoff, which I thought had sputtered out, I followed it to an article by a shit-stirring young American, Marc Daalder, about the Right in NZ.

Daalder spends his time between Wellington and liberal north-east America. His digging isn’t deep: it’s mainly straight interviews. His conclusions are light and mainstream Left.

Why aren’t the Land Wars taught in the NZ school curriculum? asked Daalder in the Spinoff last April. It included this:

“The results of the Wars [note the capital W] can be seen today in the disproportionate numbers of Maori men in prison, the persistence of poverty in Maori communities, and the long, tangled, and controversial Treaty settlements process, with all its attendant tales of long-sought justice and endemic corruption.”

He overlooked marijuana addiction, obesity, problem gambling, and Lotto.

Daalder’s latest article in the Spinoff is more relevant to Kiwiblog readers.

Daalder draws mainly on the views of NZ’s Mr Multiculturism, Paul Spoonley, social science academic at ~~“prestigious”~~ Massey University.

The article notably is marked: “This content is funded entirely by Flick, the electricity retailer.”

The post includes this:

“References to ‘globalism’, for example, are often not merely directed at the idea of open borders or free trade. Instead, according to Spoonley and numerous civil rights organisations, ‘globalists’ is frequently a dog whistle for Jews, who are thought to be controlling finances, media, and other major parts of society. The far-right believe it is Jews who encourage mass migration, supposedly in an attempt to destroy Western society from the inside.”

With poster Kea under a ban, on Kiwiblog where globalism is frequently mentioned, I can think of only one poster, EAD, who declares that globalism is a Jewish plot. EAD is hammered when he posts about Jews on Kiwiblog.

Many here would regard globalism as being a political-economic trade trend that has caused deindustrialisation in some countries.

I wish Daalder would post here, where his views would be put to the critical test. He’s wasting his youthful energy with lightweight, predictable crap for the Spinoff.

Incidentally, has anyone noticed how top heavy the Spinoff is, or are all those names just to try to give it credibility for Leftist readers? How long can it last?

Daalder gets it (mostly) wrong on the NZ Right:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/02-02-2019/will-the-far-right-movement-rise-in-new-zealand/
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February 4, 2019 10:25am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You really think views expressed on Kiwiblog are put a ‘critical test’? Such fun!
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:21am
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, a Leftist’s views such as Daalder’s certainly would be.
    
    I mean, you are criticising the mainstream flow here constantly, and occasionally you’re nearly right.
    
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    February 4, 2019 11:25am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I don’t think my little ramblings are put to any kind of ‘critical test’ in a forum such as this. Surely, no one writing a piece for this blog could be under any illusion that they are setting out any cogent series of points that would persuade anyone to a change of view.
      
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      February 4, 2019 11:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Don’t be an intellectual snob, Milky.
        
        Blogs may be at debate level, but that entails views being laid out for criticism.
        
        Surely no-one expects academic standards with peer review, full sources and so on. And Daalder ain’t Einstein.
        
        It’s fun, not fucking university, Milky. ?
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:41am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yes, it’s fun. You were the one that said Kiwblog was capable of providing ‘critical comment’. It’s not; it’s an amusement device.
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:43am
      - Jack5
        
        So you’re pinning your view on the definition of “critical”. Here’s the first meaning given in an online dictionary (link follows):
        
        1. Judging severely and finding fault: a writer who is very critical of the government’s foreign policy.
        
        That covers much of what appears in Kiwiblog.
        
        https://www.thefreedictionary.com/critical
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:47am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        An example of fun is you having to look up a dictionary to try to explain your own comment, Jack.
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:52am
      - Jack5
        
        Actually, Milky, I was trying to explain it to you, but it’s too hard to get through. ?
        
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        February 4, 2019 11:55am
    - pentwig
      
      Jack5
      milkmaids level of intelligence is the same as stoopidthings
      the usual DUH
      don’t expect too much from it, it is more concerned on tomorrows attire to waddle in
      
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      February 4, 2019 7:07pm
      - sam green
        
        Such stupendous “critique”. Well done you.
        
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        February 4, 2019 8:15pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Usually loser lefties desert each other when the big smart boys come out but I think they learned a lesson today about supporting each other when they saw willie step up when ardern the moron revealed her “skills”….or lack thereof.
        
        Hey guys, still inlove with the moron ardern the liar?
        
        Gloss not wearing off?
        
        Still hoping for freebies..
        
        or are you happy with an invite to “camp molestation”?
        
        ardern is still a liar, even if she is as thick as two short planls.
        
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        February 4, 2019 9:24pm
- GoVege
  
  Forget addiction, obesity and Lotto.
  It all comes down to having huge numbers of kids and neglecting them.
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:36pm
harvey wilson

Failure seems to follow her like it does Muttonbird

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12200576
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February 4, 2019 10:32am
- Tall Man
  
  Yeah but failure requires effort…
  
  Can you really see mutton breath and the rest of the losers making any effort?
  
  FFS, even their adored leader is too dumb to read a brief…
  
  What’s worse, having a lazy and dumb prime minister or supporting the lazy turd?
  
  Please mutton turd…let us know why you need to have a dumbo at the fore….
  
  Are you guys dumber than..
  
  ardern the liar
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:28pm
tedbear

One thing I can’t quite fathom.
It cost UK £40 billion to join the EU for trade/access purposes and will cost a similar amount to resign from it.
Doesn’t it follow there’ll be a similar upfront cost to NZ wanting a free trade deal with the EU?
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February 4, 2019 10:41am
- mikenmildagain
  
  No, it doesn’t.
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    How the fuck would you know?
    
    You support a nitwit that doesn’t comprehend anything unless willie feeds her the lines…
    
    Such a shame for you loyal supporters when..
    
    ardern is a liar
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:32pm
Swifty

What an absolute train wreck:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110351224/former-maori-party-coleader-marama-fox-fined-disqualified-for-drink-driving-charge

Frankly, I don’t know what people saw in her.

I watched a couple of interviews with her a few years back and she came across as an arrogant, haughty, man-hating racist.
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February 4, 2019 10:46am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I think you’ve answered your own question.
  
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  February 4, 2019 10:58am
- cmm
  
  Does anyone smell pork on the bbq?
  
  According to stuff:
  * She said she had not drunk alcohol for 21 years prior to the November incident, and she had not drunk since.
  * She had 6 glasses then drove.
  * She thought she was Ok to dive.
  
  Does anyone really believe any of those statements?
  
  I don’t drink much (a couple of drinks a year), but after 6 glasses I would know I am unfit to drive and I’ve got a huge mass advantage on her.
  
  How did someone with such a low understanding of anything ever get to being an MP?
  
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  February 4, 2019 1:36pm
  - lifesgood
    
    6 Glasses in an evening! Man she has a drink problem.
    
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    February 4, 2019 2:17pm
  - starboard
    
    “She blew 593mcg per litre of breath – more than two times the legal limit”
    
    ..and the judge said that was on the” moderate ” side!!
    
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    February 4, 2019 3:19pm
    - sooty
      
      It was one of her better counts!
      
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      February 4, 2019 3:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She had always stated she was a life-long Mormon
  https://www.mormonnewsroom.org.nz/article/mp-marama-fox-invites-new-zealanders-to-%E2%80%98meet-the-mormons%E2%80%99
  
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  February 4, 2019 4:15pm
Manolo

Mr Hooton has asked a very interesting question. How will government officials answer it?

https://fyi.org.nz/request/9511-capital-gains-tax-asset-price-forecasts/new
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February 4, 2019 10:54am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  One deranged lefty has downticked Mr. Hooton’s very sensible question.
  Morrissey, are you there?
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:10am
DigNap15

This was on Kiwi Blog in 2011

Imogen Neale in the SST reports:

Lots of babies, lots of partners, lots of houses and lots of benefits.

Welcome to the career dream of young boys already failing in the education system. …

“There is no warmth about loving little children or wanting to be good parents. It is purely about this being a pathway to an income,” the one-time principal of a youth justice facility school said. …

Sutherland said in some cases the children were merely repeating what they saw in their own homes.

“They perceive that they’ll get a girl pregnant. She will be on some form of benefit and will get a house, and that they’ll live with them, and that is their income.

“They live with mum, who often has a number of children and boyfriends.”

If you grow up in a household where no adults are ever in employment, then all too often your expectations are changed.”

Its still the same, only maybe worse and Sepuloni removed the sanctions!
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February 4, 2019 10:58am
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/links-4-february-2019/#comment-3281076

Australia’s banks offer mea culpa ahead of royal commission report | Australia news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/04/australias-banks-offer-mea-culpa-ahead-of-royal-commission-report

Australia’s big banks have launched a public mea culpa ahead of the release of the long-anticipated, likely scarifying, findings of the banking royal commission, acknowledging they have failed their customers, and arguing the Hayne report is a chance to reset the sector.

With institutions and their shareholders braced for a major shake-up when the final report and the Morrison government’s response is made public after financial markets close on Monday, the chief executive of the Australian Banking Association, Anna Bligh, said banks had “not lived up to the high standards Australians rightly expect of the industry”. …

… There is widespread anticipation the report could flag legal actions as a consequence of the litany of horrors unveiled during the royal commission process, and could also recommend reform of regulation across the financial services sector, as well as action on controversial remuneration and reward structures inside institutions. … read more via hyperlink above …
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February 4, 2019 11:08am
- Jack5
  
  As you were saying in the New York Times the other day, Hugh. ?
  
  Becoming an international source should push up your postive-tick count, Hugh.
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:29am
  - Longknives
    
    Can I tell people I know you Hugh?
    
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    February 4, 2019 11:49am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      MacroBusiness Australia post this morning …
      
      New Zealand: A government in crisis …
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/links-4-february-2019/#comment-3280887
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/02/links-4-february-2019/#comment-3280891
      
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      February 4, 2019 11:52am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Correction Hugh – housing didn’t destroy the last government. Smoke, mirrors and blatant lies by the opposition on a number of issues, enabled by a compliant media took care of that. Now the reality is hitting home that they were (a) Full of shit (b) Are completely incompetent and (c) The housing issue (like many) they banged on ad nauseum about needs less government intervention than has been suggested eg just fix the RMA
        
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        February 4, 2019 12:23pm
    - Swifty
      
      How anybody would think that posting exactly the same messages in multiple threads is beyond me.
      
      Why would you keep displaying to the world, under your own name, that you are an absolute arsehole?
      
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      February 4, 2019 12:06pm
      - Cobolt24
        
        15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: 2019
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
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        February 4, 2019 1:33pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Salacious … Wrong.
        
        Check out the GONE GONE GOING section and IPSOS Surveys at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        Housing failure was why John Key mutinied late 2016 … setting the stage for Bill English to lose late the following year.
        
        October 2017 Winston Peters made it clear why his Party chose to go in to coalition with Labour in forming the new government.
        
        It could fairly be said, I think, that National is currently the orphans of New Zealand politics.
        
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        February 4, 2019 2:00pm
      - starboard
        
        “15th Annual Demographia…”
        
        Still sounds like a grubby little porn site, Hugh.
        
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        February 4, 2019 3:24pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Hugh – who voted against the RMA reforms and now want to introduce….wait for it… RMA reforms?
        
        I had no love of the last National government but compared to this bereft and corrupt lot; they were stellar. I’m not in disagreement to much of what you suggest but I have a very low desire for governments to involve themselves in the commercial sectors (as they are invariably shit at it) other than pave the way for growth and development.
        
        And you couldn’t be more wrong about why Key left politics.
        
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        February 4, 2019 5:06pm
RW Capitalist

Posted this yesterday, thought it was too good not to post ONCE more.
I found the perfect description of the CoL.
They should use this as a campaign add at the next election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qovk67yMiFI
I particularly like and found most relevant, the verse:
Now two of the wheels are triangular and the third one’s off a pram
The fourth is the last remaining wheel from off a Dublin tram
The number plate’s in Gaelic and the plug’s won’t even spark
And the chassis came off a tinker’s cart that collapsed in Phoenix Park
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February 4, 2019 11:37am
- waikatogirl
  
  Having been to Dublin recently I really enjoyed that RW. You’re right, The triangular wheels are the perfect description of the CoL.
  
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  February 4, 2019 3:35pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I was thinking more like
    2 triangular wheels are the green co leaders
    1 Pram wheel Winnie
    1 from the last tram SLG
    
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    February 4, 2019 5:16pm
secondcumming

Muslim woman, who wants to ban the burka, will run as the *One Nation* candidate for *HORNSBY* in upcoming Aussie election…….maybe GolyG could learn something on how to run her own campaign next year 😎

https://twitter.com/RealMarkLatham/status/1091676387071520768
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February 4, 2019 11:38am
- Longknives
  
  Giggity!
  
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  February 4, 2019 11:49am
mandk

What a gobshite moron Shane Jones is:

“Why should the Callaghan institute and others fund the guy in Mahia Peninsula firing rockets into the sky, but you’re complaining about Māori landowners?”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/shane-jones-on-defence-why-should-we-fund-all-this-flash-science.html

Has no one told Jones that RocketLab employs 200+ people in NZ, including dozens in one of the most economically disadvantaged (and predominantly Maori) parts of the country?

As well as export revenues, the company is probably generating coming on for $10 million a year in income tax payments.
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February 4, 2019 12:18pm
- kowtow
  
  Why did Jonsey think we should fund him firing his rocket at porno in a hotel ?
  
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  February 4, 2019 12:49pm
- Jack5
  
  Jones is ploughing heaps into forestry, with the returns – after quarter of a century – commodity logs for export and then processing into low-grade timber.
  
  Jones and his boss, Judas Peters, have no understanding of the value of a technology industry.
  
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  February 4, 2019 1:09pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Forestry has delayed gain. Projected profits are the thing for Jones and Peters who are full of piss and wind but who will be long gone by the time of harvest, so they won’t be around to worry if it all pays off. Nor will their voters.
    
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    February 4, 2019 3:40pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Both Jones and his critics are wrong.
  We shouldn’t be wasting taxpayers’ money on the Provincial Growth Fund or Callaghan Innovation.
  
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  February 4, 2019 6:22pm
RF

“Tugger Jones” is on another ego trip and loves the sound of his own voice.

To me it’s obvious that the cash grants he throws at Maori are made for one reason.

An Northland electoral seat in 2020.
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February 4, 2019 12:51pm
- sooty
  
  Oh! Dear!
  Now that will upset Hone!
  
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  February 4, 2019 3:36pm
wreck1080

I love how the government are trying to get more maori into IT.

So, I demand more white kids playing rugby!! Lets give white kids 100 milllion to encourage them to play rugby!!
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February 4, 2019 12:59pm
- Jack5
  
  How is the Government doing that, Wreck1080?
  
  By focusing on maths and science in education, on good English; or on Maori language and kapahaka?
  
  Importance of English language in information technology industry:
  
  https://www.quora.com/Importance-of-english-language-in-IT-field
  
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  February 4, 2019 1:11pm
  - wreck1080
    
    Nope, by connecting maraes to the internet, and calling them digital ‘hubs’.
    
    https://www.yudu.co.nz/news/maori-big-winners-in-regional-employment-boost/44660/
    
    No joke, although you’d be forgiven for thinking so.
    
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    February 4, 2019 1:26pm
    - Jack5
      
      That’s sad. Maori will be left further behind, and they will drag back non-Maori with them through the Maorification of our education from primary school to universities.
      
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      February 4, 2019 1:40pm
      - sooty
        
        Free porn for everyone says Shane Jones!
        
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        February 4, 2019 3:35pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Sooty:
        
        Free porn for everyone says Shane Jones!
        
        Not for everyone – Stephieboy has previously told us that he gets his porn fix at St Lukes!
        
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        February 4, 2019 6:11pm
DigNap15

I just heard Shane Jones saying that basically he is going to get their locals to do the work and plant the trees etc.
And not rely on Philipinos to do the work.
I wish him luck.
Our cousy bros are too busy lying on the couch, making babies and selling drugs, to lower themselves by actually working.
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February 4, 2019 2:10pm
DigNap15

Talking on Newstalk ZB about free lucnhes for poor children.
Then I see that in Tauranga a mum left her baby in the car while she went Gambling.
In the USA recently a woman got life for leaving her child in the car till it died.
And in the USA, life means life.
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February 4, 2019 2:12pm
Jack5

Asian women are spending on skin products to whiten their skin.

Meanwhile, in England, a white woman has used tanning injections to make her skin go black.

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/society/article/2184747/asias-addiction-whiter-skin-runs-deep-backlash-has-begun

AND

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6662543/Martina-Big-identifies-black-reveals-plans-permanently-Africa.html
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February 4, 2019 2:30pm
- Tall Man
  
  German?
  
  I think her knockers are smarter than ardern the liar though as they don’t need a “willie” behind them….
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:59pm
Fletch

NZ Taxpayers Union points out the taxpayer “Waitangi walloping”.

Taxpayers are facing a Waitangi walloping.

So far this Waitangi period, the Government has announced:
– $100 million for Maori landowners
– $27 million for infrastructure in Kaipara
– $82 million for jobs programmes
– $21 million for digital ‘hubs’

That’s $230 million taken from taxpayers to impress iwi leadership, and we’ve still got a few days to go!
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February 4, 2019 2:42pm
- sooty
  
  Only this year!
  What are they going to do in election year?
  
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  February 4, 2019 3:34pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Grab more of your money to have something to hand out!
    
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    February 4, 2019 3:47pm
- waikatogirl
  
  And $4m to the Iwi leaders chair group to do a duplicating the study of another maori group on water care.
  
  Splish splash, Cindy’s taking a bath in taxpayers money and splashing it hither and yon to anyone she deems as a voter group for her horrible CoL.
  
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  February 4, 2019 3:46pm
rangitoto

Missing notice:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyhpiYmVYAEndDV.jpg
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February 4, 2019 2:51pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Any idea what the little writing at the bottom of the notice says?
  
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  February 4, 2019 4:11pm
Swifty

I am happy to report that a very successful meeting was held yesterday by the Kiwiblog Social Club (Avondale Branch).

Important matters of national interest were discussed and resolved to members satisfaction.

To strains of Mongolian Throat Singing, Canned Heat, Little Feat, The Stones, The Grateful Dead, Blondie and Funkadelic an interesting conversation was also held on which other KB posters would be good to have a drink with and why – and which threw up some surprising results.

Some other KB poster names were also mentioned in a less flattering light.

An enjoyable time had by all.
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February 4, 2019 3:16pm
- Fletch
  
  Were there any lurkers, who would not divulge their online names?
  
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  February 4, 2019 3:22pm
  - Swifty
    
    The Kiwiblog Social Club (Avondale Branch) has a very select membership Fletch, indeed handpicked after an extensive vetting, so, no, there was no lurking and everyone knows everyone.
    
    Our membership is of a very high calibre.
    
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    February 4, 2019 3:29pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I am unfamiliar with the Avondale environs…so I consulted the NZ Herald and came up with these gems..
      
      Avondale is an established suburb close to the city and popular with its discerning residents.
      
      It’s always been multicultural and in some parts staunchly blue collar.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/suburb-living-real-estate/news/article.cfm?c_id=330&objectid=10342593
      ….ah, that was 2005… perhaps it’s become a townhouse ghetto since then.
      
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      February 4, 2019 4:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        No, I think that pretty much still sums us up Maggy – but not sure about the mention Avondale College got, but I’m no expert.
        
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        February 4, 2019 4:27pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Is Avondale the shopping area you drive through that is a cacophony of vibrant and multicultural Island prints etc hanging from the rafters?
        
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        February 4, 2019 4:35pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yeah, could be waikatogirl.
        
        That and a big spider sculpture.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delena_cancerides#/media/File:Avondale_Spider_Sculpture_Auckland.jpg
        
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        February 4, 2019 4:50pm
      - Longknives
        
        The place has a Giant Spider in amongst all the second hand shops…
        That pretty much sums up Avondale!
        
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        February 4, 2019 4:58pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Spider sculpture!!!
        Ugh! I wouldn’t have got out of the car then! Not my thing at all… ?
        
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        February 4, 2019 5:39pm
    - Manolo
      
      Being a darkie, may I apply for membership? ?
      
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      February 4, 2019 4:21pm
      - Swifty
        
        Darkies welcome.
        
        It is character tests that we rigorously apply Manolo.
        
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        February 4, 2019 4:24pm
wreck1080

How do you stop Viagogo? They are based in Switzerland, have been taken to court in various jurisdictions and lost — but simply ignore the courts.

Viagogo are simply going to ignore their auckland court summons too.
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February 4, 2019 3:34pm
- dime
  
  its kinda funny 🙂
  
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  February 4, 2019 3:52pm
dime

Superbowl is finished in a few mins.

Must be time for Trump to shut the government down again 😀
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February 4, 2019 3:46pm
- Longknives
  
  Ugh..
  I avoid Superbowl now it has become all Political.
  Apparently Maroon 5 of all fucking people are ‘evil racists’ or something because they agreed to do the halftime show?
  The SNL Lefties and Black Lives Matter are demanding a boycott! ‘Waah Racism!’
  Lefties are wrecking sports…
  
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  February 4, 2019 4:53pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Just Sports? Hell, everything they touch turns to shit!
    
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    February 4, 2019 5:10pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  About 12 days. Unless when he gives the SOTU speech on Feb 5th NZ time, he says something so outrageous that Pelosi has a heart attack. All is not well in the Dem party
  
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  February 4, 2019 5:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What the hell is wrong with these guys who think it is ok perving at young girls?

Are they all so mentally ill/fragile that they deserve name suppression?
‘Sex predator’ police officer sentenced for indecent relationship with 13yo girl

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12200611
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February 4, 2019 3:58pm
- dime
  
  hes not mentally ill. just a horny pervert. what a loser.
  
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  February 4, 2019 4:01pm
  - Swifty
    
    Total loser.
    
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    February 4, 2019 4:04pm
  - Longknives
    
    Creep.
    Mind You- He should have just joined the Labour Party if it was underage kids he wanted…(They would have protected him to the end)
    
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    February 4, 2019 4:56pm
- GoVege
  
  Poor dude was probably having a mid-life crisis.
  Never went anywhere near the girl.
  The wife and kids were victims too….heartless blinking judge.
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:43pm
Fletch

Anika Moa is pregnant again –

“I tried with my first donor for about a year and a half and nothing happened. I just couldn’t get pregnant so, finally, I decided to try another way. Natasha suggested using her donor, who is Soren’s father and we both thought that would be so nice that the two kids had the same father.”

“She texted him saying, ‘can we have your baby again?’ and he came back saying ‘Yay!’ He was really keen and there was no waiting around. He got me pregnant first pop with a $10 syringe … He was like the Uber Eats of sperm donors!”

https://spy.nzherald.co.nz/spy-news/anika-moa-s-exciting-baby-news-its-a-girl/

So much wrong with that. No class at all….
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February 4, 2019 4:06pm
- Longknives
  
  Yuck!
  Christ Anika Moa is trash….
  
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  February 4, 2019 4:51pm
- wiseowl
  
  Fletch
  Plain disgusting.
  
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  February 4, 2019 6:13pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I do wonder what the child will think when one day they read this about their conception…. Twat.
  
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  February 4, 2019 7:31pm
- softail 1450
  
  Fletch, jeeeeez she looks like she’s expecting 8 kids the fat fuck ,wasnt she a dyke of average size just a few years back?
  
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  February 5, 2019 6:43am
Monique Watson

That was an excellent game and half time show! Gostkowski sealed it with a field goal and Brady had 262 passing yards!
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February 4, 2019 4:14pm
- oob
  
  zionAmerican pseudo-sports are hilariously gay, and zionAmerican Wendyball takes the cake.
  
  Wheezing, obese non-athlete pansies dressed up in armoured vehicles “playing” a “game” for three hours where the ball is only actually in play for ten minutes.
  
  Penetrative homosexual pornography isn’t as gay as NFL.
  
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  February 4, 2019 5:22pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Which particularly homosexual sports really get you going?
    
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    February 4, 2019 5:39pm
    - nasska
      
      I’ve long suspected that, were I gay, I’d spend most of the day watching Pommie soccer. They spend far more time in intimate hugs & shoving their tongues down each other’s throats than addressing the ball. 🙂
      
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      February 4, 2019 6:12pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Well, no surprise that you have had issues since boarding school…
        At least you don’t blame it on the ‘Zionists’ like nutcases such as oob.
        
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        February 4, 2019 6:16pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        They spend far more time in intimate hugs & shoving their tongues down each other’s throats than addressing the ball
        
        What about the post-match meeting – otherwise known as “pass the soap”?
        
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        February 4, 2019 6:27pm
      - nasska
        
        I don’t think we’ll go there Nostra. Mike is already having issues about what he missed out on by attending a state secondary school. 🙂
        
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        February 4, 2019 6:32pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        It’s not so much what Mike “missed out on by attending a state secondary school” but, rather, what he “gained” instead. What happened behind the bike shed? The mind could come up with many possibilities!
        
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        February 4, 2019 6:37pm
      - nasska
        
        In the Hutt Valley what happens behind the bike shed stays behind the bike shed! 🙂
        
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        February 4, 2019 6:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        If I was a gay male…
        It’d be Ozzie Rules for my eye candy..
        
        but as I’m an ancient old heterosexual female…
        it’s Ozzie Rulz.
        
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        February 4, 2019 6:45pm
      - stigie
        
        That’s called playing the man and not the ball Nasska !~
        
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        February 4, 2019 7:34pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Is it a product of my particular educational background that I’m a trifle concerned about oob ranting about some American sport being more gay than ‘penetrative homosexual pornography’?
      I think we should be offering oob a little support to accept that he might be just a little bit gay himself.
      
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      February 4, 2019 6:51pm
      - nasska
        
        If you were a charitable chap, rather than pick on him, you’d build him a closet to come out of Mike. 🙂
        
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        February 4, 2019 7:03pm
      - oob
        
        Bend over, Milky.
        
        Afford me the opportunity to do to you romantically that which the vast the majority of posters on this forum do to you intellectually.
        
        I’ll call you the next day I swear. 🙂
        
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        February 4, 2019 7:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s okay, oob. You don’t have to pretend any more that your homosexual urges are part of some Zionist plot. There is a simpler explanation. Accept who you are.
        
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        February 4, 2019 7:07pm
      - nasska
        
        He’s emptied his bowels,
        
        He’s laid out the towels.
        
        He’s ready for romance! 🙂
        
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        February 4, 2019 7:08pm
      - softail 1450
        
        MMA, When attending many sporting events in my youth it was easy to pick the gay guys ,they were the ones that went in for a shower despite reading the sign some wag had put up saying “in our shower facilities we advise you under no circumstances drop your soap”.
        
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        February 5, 2019 6:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    Yep, you’re a poof.
    
    We’ve got it so back to your cesspool thanks.
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:47pm
mandk

More racism from a Maori politician:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/110356904/shane-jones-wants-provincial-growth-fund-to-get-nephs-off-the-couch

There’s no favouritism towards Philippinos, porn boy. They are skilled, they work hard, they are law-abiding. Compare and contrast with the people you would prefer businesses to employ.
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February 4, 2019 4:14pm
- GoVege
  
  Maybe if the kids had an example I.e. role model in their dad to copy they might haul themselves off the couch.
  But first they need to know who dad is.
  
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  February 4, 2019 10:00pm
  - softail 1450
    
    govege, even more importantly a dad who isn’t continually bashing them and their mother in a drunken rage…
    
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    February 5, 2019 6:18am
wiseowl

So two mums does not know the articles of the TOW.
How many politicians sit in the house and say aye to changes in legislation that are race based .
It is unacceptable and Shaws admission most likely exposes the fact that there are many others.
How can they sit there with a straight face while shafting the country .
Unbelievable.
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February 4, 2019 6:21pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Facts are not required as it’s all about the feelz!
  
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  February 4, 2019 6:46pm
DigNap15

We all know that many maori don’t want to work. Or at least they think they are worth more than the minimum wage.
Why don’t supermarkets hire them?
Because they don’t turn up, and they are often dishonest, if something goes missing from the staff room its usually one of our special people.
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February 4, 2019 6:23pm
softail 1450

Mandk,Jones is a bloated blowhard,he honestly thinks he’s universally loved by the populace on NZ.
In my books he’s just slightly better than his slimey maggotty boss Peters.
Where is Peters on this new “closing the gaps” policy? he’d have been doing the war dance about it 5 years ago,what a C—T he is….
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February 4, 2019 6:24pm
Fletch

Just watching Seven Sharp, where they are visiting Shane Jones’ BBQ, with over 300+ invited guests, including politicians and some TV reporters etc. As I walked through, Jones was being interviewed live and Hillary was saying, ‘A lot of the Nats are saying that the $100 million for Maori land development is a waste of money. Maybe you need to have a word in their ear’. Jones replies with something like, ‘aww, look, I think of lot of that is driven by jealousy…’

Really? I was like WTF?
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February 4, 2019 7:11pm
- Swifty
  
  He has no shame.
  
  In an alternative universe where I was sprung wanking on the taxpayer you wouldn’t see me again for a very long time.
  
  Shane? Firstly he tries to lie his way out of it, and then compounds the damage by carrying on as usual.
  
  He’d never win an electoral seat, such is his character. Thanks MMP.
  
  I notice also he’s becoming very fat – which doesn’t say much about his personal discipline.
  
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  February 4, 2019 7:26pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Swifty ,there is nothing on earth that can whack on the fat like a COL Kaumatua,FFS everything is free to them ,arseholes like Shane (tosser)Jones just can’t control themselves, look at Grant Robinson and the dyke from the east coast all getting the “billy bunter” look in incredibly quick time.
    
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    February 5, 2019 6:13am
- Prince
  
  I know this is all terribly pale, male, stale, but I couldn’t hep wondering who was paying for this massive booze up.
  The stacks of wine, beer and spirits in the background were huge, to accompany the imported shellfish, pigs etc etc etc.
  Then I realised it is a Shane Jones, NZF, COL bash so the answer is obvious – taxpayers of course.
  
  Needless to say the question was never asked by the COL cheerleaders.
  
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  February 4, 2019 10:39pm
The Heat

From the “don’t you know who I am” files:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/northland/110361288/woman-who-threw-sex-toy-at-waitangi-will-attend-despite-police-trespass

“I feel really hurt that that opportunity has been taken away from me without anyone even giving me a phone call first and having a yarn,” Butler said.”

Actions. Consequences. That’s why we have laws, otherwise dildos would be flying all over the shop.

No one wants that. Well, perhaps certain Youth Camps might, but mostly, no – no one wants that.
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February 4, 2019 7:14pm
- Swifty
  
  What an entitled bint.
  
  Interesting, though, the police and the Waitangi folk may have something to say about her breaching a tresspass notice; a notice that someone (from Waitangi) has clearly applied for.
  
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  February 4, 2019 7:19pm
- nasska
  
  Maori Grievance Day is going to be a doozy this year. Kaumatua everywhere will have their greedy little hands out, the Harawira clan will be running a three ring circus while horseshit & dildos will fill the air.
  
  Neve’s going to need industrial strength Treasures to ride this one out! 🙂
  
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  February 4, 2019 7:26pm
  - The Heat
    
    The tragedy is that a baby will quite possibly be the least FOS individual there…
    
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    February 4, 2019 7:29pm
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    nasska,,LOL ,excellent.
    
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    February 5, 2019 6:01am
- MrTips
  
  She’s a piece of work the MudButler. Dildo hurler, train track protestor and just an angry, angry nurse who shouldn’t be left to look after a dead dog. The media need to ignore her.
  
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  February 4, 2019 7:27pm
RF

Walking birds number is up.

The media are turning on her according to the TV news tonight.

An embarrising stumble when asked what the Treaty of Waitangi say. She did not know in spite of previously telling Maori that she learnt it at school. Willie Jackson who was standing behind her could be heard giving her the answers.

This reminds me of Peters and Sweet cheeks giving her the answers to the questions in the house.

Second fail according to media is that Kiwi Build is a dead duck and it’s going down hill.
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February 4, 2019 7:22pm
- MrTips
  
  Willie is only too willing to help her look stupid ?
  
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  February 4, 2019 7:28pm
  - Tall Man
    
    She needs little help…
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The 3 Articles of the TOW are clear enough for me (English or Maori Version)..
where I get bamboozled is trying to figure out the Principles of the TOW…

How many are there?
Who decided to have Principles of the TOW?
What Legislation is affected by the Principles of the TOW?

and your Homework Question , which Parliamentarian said:
This bill seeks to do three fundamental things. First, as the bill’s title implies, it seeks to remove all references to the undefined and divisive term “the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi” from legislation. Second, it seeks to reverse the insidious culture of division that has grown up around the existence of these principles. It has seen Māori pitted against Māori and non-Māori, seen family members pitted against each other, and gone right to the heart of our social fabric. Finally, the bill aims to put an end to the expensive and never-ending litigious programme that has sprung up around these principles. This programme has diverted hundreds of millions of dollars into dead-end paths and away from the enlightened programmes that are the true pathway to success.
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February 4, 2019 7:47pm
- nasska
  
  Winston Peters but it was in another incarnation.
  
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  February 4, 2019 7:54pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Which incarnation Nasska: the sober one or the drunk one?
    
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    February 4, 2019 8:00pm
    - nasska
      
      Given that the bill Maggy referred to was introduced mid 2005 I’d say it was the “get re-elected” incarnation Nostra.
      
      Worked too!
      
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      February 4, 2019 8:06pm
Jack5

Dildo-thrower Josie Butler was reported on Radio NZ tonight as saying she will defy a trespass order banning her from the Treaty of Waitangi grounds.

Radio New Zealand’s Compass Leftist host, Lisa Owen, was pumping Butler up tonight, and established a trespass order was issued to her at the request of the police.

In 2016, Butler threw a dildo at the then Economic Development Minister, Stephen Joyce, at Waitangi, yelling: “That’s for raping our sovereignty.”

She said in an interview later that the protest was about New Zealand participating in the Trans-Pacific Partership Free Trade Agreement.

Butler was at the time a nurse at a Christchurch psychiatric hospital.
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- Tall Man
  
  Nurse or outpatient?
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    Butler in the Mana News interview explaining her stand on the trade agreement talks:
    
    “The TPPA is the rape of our tino rangitiratanga, the torture our basic human rights, and the murder of our people.
    
    https://mananews.co.nz/wp/?p=8766
    
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    February 4, 2019 9:43pm
    - GoVege
      
      Typical dramatization of the issues by a culture that treats it’s women and kids like crap….then accuses the TPPA of Rape! Torture! Murder!! Genociiiideee!!!
      I suppose that Mana magazine is funded by taxpayers too.
      
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      February 4, 2019 9:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Mana Magazine was owned/run by Derek Fox.
        
        It ceased production a year or so back.
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/94530850/mana-magazine-editor-lashes-out-at-its-publishers-after-production-line-stops
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:03pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Mana News is run by the Mana Political Party.
        In 2014 Mana began publishing and distributing its own newspaper MANA News to its supporters around the country and online.]
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mana_Movement
        
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        February 4, 2019 10:17pm
- GoVege
  
  What sovereignty….twit!
  
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  February 4, 2019 9:56pm
Inandout

Conservatives have majority in Spain. So the EU swing has started and it should be interesting.
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February 4, 2019 9:33pm
Jack5

Male cheerleaders have joined the show at the Super Bowl.

Next it will be in the Radio City Rockettes (men may already join them for special performances), and, in Paris, the Moulin Rouge and Crazy Horse.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47107646
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February 4, 2019 9:55pm
Jack5

Has anyone noted that today is the last day of the Year of the Dog?

Tomorrow is the Year of the Pig.

For fun, a Chinese zodiac forecast:

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/heres-your-chinese-zodiac-forecast-2019-year-pig
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February 4, 2019 10:07pm
Jack5

The final report is out of the Royal Commission into Australian Banking, and it looks as if some banks may face criminal charges.

Here are the key recommendations, as reported by ABC News:

– Commissions should be largely eliminated from the financial sector, including mortgage broking, financial planning and insurance sales.

– Mortgage brokers should meet similar requirements to financial planners to put their clients’ best interests first.

– Car dealers and others selling financial products at the point of sale of goods should be subject to responsible lending obligations.

– Financial planners should seek their clients’ agreement every year if they are charging ongoing fees for advice.

– Farmers should have access to a national farm-debt-mediation scheme and the appointment of receivers should be a last resort.

– A last-resort compensation scheme, funded by industry, will ensure consumers who suffer bank wrongdoing receive compensation.

– Several institutions may face criminal charges, while many others have been referred to ASIC for further investigation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-04/banking-royal-commission-report/10777170

AND

The Age reports that the insurance industry also copped a caning with CommInsure, TAL, Freedom Insurance, ClearView Allianz, Suncorp and Youi all accused of criminal or civil breaches.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/crimes-radical-changes-to-super-home-lending-from-hayne-final-report-20190203-p50vfr.html
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